Bathroom Access For Transgender Student Sparks Debate

[Blake]

So let's say they made a third intersex or gender-neutral bathroom. Do you think that solves the issue? I feel like it would for some people, but not for everyone.

Or they could just drop bathroom gender laws altogether.

[spurraider21]

Or they could just drop bathroom gender laws altogether.
What are the current bathroom gender laws?

[Spurminator]

I don't disagree. And I'd think those guys assholes for making that comparison, as I've already said on this forum.

I don't think they're assholes. I don't think it's the same as racial segregation but it's still segregation based on the majority's arbitrary level of comfort.

I can't tell a transgender person that their ostracization is less sympathetic because they weren't born black. It's still culture separating itself from people that make us go "Ew."

[I. Hustle]

I don't think they're assholes. I don't think it's the same as racial segregation but it's still segregation based on the majority's arbitrary level of comfort.

I can't tell a transgender person that their ostracization is less sympathetic because they weren't born black. It's still culture separating itself from people that make us go "Ew."

You have to admit that they are super icky though.

[Spurminator]

You have to admit that they are super icky though.

I'm not going to try to convince anyone that it doesn't make me go WTF sometimes.

[rmt]

What if it's a female looking person that still has a penis

I won't know that person has a penis unless undressed (say in a locker room). I won't feel threatened and won't go to another bathroom.

[Chinook]

Well then you do disagree

Reading comprehension.

[Pelicans78]

I won't know that person has a penis unless undressed (say in a locker room). I won't feel threatened and won't go to another bathroom.

What if you walk in and someone is peeing standing up?

[Blake]

What are the current bathroom gender laws?

Uh we could discuss the one everyone is angry about in North Carolina...

.....further. ..

[Blake]

Reading comprehension.

No, you're contradicting yourself.

Lol you say you don't disagree with an opinion but then call them an asshole for using it as an argument.

[Blake]

I won't know that person has a penis unless undressed (say in a locker room). I won't feel threatened and won't go to another bathroom.

Well, in North Carolina, they're making people that look just like guys but with no penis use the ladies room.

But how are you supposed to know. ....

I guess people like you in NC will just have to pee in a constant state of terror

[Chinook]

No, you're contradicting yourself.

Lol you say you don't disagree with an opinion but then call them an asshole for using it as an argument.

You're might be the least reasonable on this site, at least for someone who thinks they're smart. I am saying that as nicely as I can. You have no reading comprehension and lack basic logic skills. But you constantly try to lead people into traps as if people don't know what you're saying.



I'm not being a smart ass here, I really think it would be viewed the same as water fountains for black people.
I don't disagree. And I'd think those guys assholes for making that comparison, as I've already said on this forum.

This wasn't hard for anyone else to understand. Spurminator said that people would view trans bathrooms the same as blacks-only bathrooms. I didn't disagree ... that people would view it that way. I think they would, with people like you being chief among them. However, I don't think they're the same at all and believe that strongly enough to where I think people who disagree with me have a legit social and intellectual problem. In order words, I'd think them assholes.

If someone was like, "You know, some folks think Kobe is better than Duncan." And someone else said, "Indeed, but those guys are idiots." Do you think there's a contradiction there?

[spurraider21]

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http://img.pandawhale.com/post-18676-Shaq-Disrespectful-Dunk-gif-nzTL.gif

[rmt]

What if you walk in and someone is peeing standing up?

I'd walk out and find another bathroom (unless it's a little boy).

[Blake]

You're might be the least reasonable on this site, at least for someone who thinks they're smart. I am saying that as nicely as I can. You have no reading comprehension and lack basic logic skills. But you constantly try to lead people into traps as if people don't know what you're saying.



This wasn't hard for anyone else to understand. Spurminator said that people would view trans bathrooms the same as blacks-only bathrooms. I didn't disagree ... that people would view it that way. I think they would, with people like you being chief among them. However, I don't think they're the same at all and believe that strongly enough to where I think people who disagree with me have a legit social and intellectual problem. In order words, I'd think them assholes.

If someone was like, "You know, some folks think Kobe is better than Duncan." And someone else said, "Indeed, but those guys are idiots." Do you think there's a contradiction there?

Lol ok, I misread. Nice rant tho.

I like how you still think people are assholes for comparing blacks to gays. That's lolsmh.

[Blake]

I finally get to use these gifs on Blake. It feels so good in an unobsessed way

[Blake]

I'd walk out and find another bathroom (unless it's a little boy).

Again, What if you walk in and see what you think is a guy but is really a transvestite forced to use the girls bathroom?

...wouldn't you feel more threatened?

[rmt]

Again, What if you walk in and see what you think is a guy but is really a transvestite forced to use the girls bathroom?

...wouldn't you feel more threatened?

Look, I haven't been keeping up/reading this thread - I just posted what I, as a female, am uncomfortable with. ANYONE who looks like a guy is going to make me feel threatened. Obviously I can be fooled by appearances (such as the pics posted in another thread that look so much like a girl) - then there is a threat that I'm unaware of. If the person looks female (regardless of what is under the clothes), I won't feel threatened.

[Blake]

Look, I haven't been keeping up/reading this thread - I just posted what I, as a female, am uncomfortable with. ANYONE who looks like a guy is going to make me feel threatened. Obviously I can be fooled by appearances (such as the pics posted in another thread that look so much like a girl) - then there is a threat that I'm unaware of. If the person looks female (regardless of what is under the clothes), I won't feel threatened.

Which is another reason why this North Carolina law is so backwards. It's forcing transgenders that look and act just like men to go into the bathroom with you.

[Chinook]

Lol ok, I misread.

It's progress. Now you just have to realize that you do it all the time.


I like how you still think people are assholes for comparing blacks to gays. That's lolsmh.

Yeah, I think they're huge assholes. I also think people are assholes for asserting all trans people are gays. A lot of generalizations from people who present themselves as enlightened, progressive folks.

[Blake]

It's progress. Now you just have to realize that you do it all the time.

Lol condescending




Yeah, I think they're huge assholes. I also think people are assholes for asserting all trans people are gays.

Well the difference is that "these people whoever they are" that might assert that all trans are gays would be obviously wrong.

Asserting that a Christian baker denying a gay couple a wedding cake is similar to denying blacks in restaurants isn't wrong. It's very similar.

If you think that's an asshole opinion, then you're just ignorant.

[Chinook]

Lol condescending

There's not wrong with being condescending. There is something wrong with being condescending when you're incorrect.


Asserting that a Christian baker denying a gay couple a wedding cake is similar to denying blacks in restaurants isn't wrong. It's very similar.

It's completely wrong. And it's only similar to people who are assholes and think you can paint all forms of discrimination with the same brush. You know it, too, which is why you didn't say something like, "Asserting that a Christian baker denying a gay couple a wedding cake is similar to denying blacks wedding cakes isn't wrong." Or "Asserting denying gays in restaurants is similar to denying blacks in restaurants isn't wrong."


If you think that's an asshole opinion, then you're just ignorant
Ah, the biggest asshole term of all time. It assumes that only reason why people disagree without is because they don't know enough not to. Newsflash, bro: There are people who understand homosexuality very well and still hate gays, and there are people who don't understand it at all and don't. It has nothing to do with knowledge level. It's not surprising that you have a very rudimentary understanding of discrimination, though.

[Blake]

There's not wrong with being condescending. There is something wrong with being condescending when you're incorrect.

Yeah, exactly. it's hilarious when posters like you are incorrect and condescending.




It's completely wrong.

No, it's right on target. Sorry, you're just ignorant.

[Chinook]

Yeah, exactly. it's hilarious when posters like you are incorrect and condescending.




No, it's right on target. Sorry, you're just ignorant.

I see you've given up.

[Blake]

I see you've given up.

If you don't get that being gay isn't a choice for a lot of gays, then there's nothing more to discuss. I'll just lol at your arrogant ignorance.

Lol.

[Chinook]

If you don't get that being gay isn't a choice for a lot of gays, then there's nothing more to discuss. I'll just lol at your arrogant ignorance.

Lol.

:cry If you don't agree with me, I don't want to talk to you :cry

Shit, dude, how do you make it through life?

[Blake]

:cry If you don't agree with me, I don't want to talk to you :cry

Shit, dude, how do you make it through life?

Oh feverish burn. I see you've given up.

[Chinook]

Oh feverish burn. I see you've given up.

I mean, when the other person already blasted off in a blaze of butt-hurt, there isn't really any reason to keep playing.

More seriously, though, I'm not going to chase you around insulting you like some of the other posters have. I may have issues with your arguments and how you present yourself in them, but I have no beef with you personally. If you respond to me, I'm going to reply, with criticism if I think it's warranted. But I'm not interested in continuing to push pissing contests if you say you're done.

[I. Hustle]

I just think it's funny that Blake loves gays and transgenders so much but hates blacks and Mexicans.

[Blake]

I just think it's funny that Blake loves gays and transgenders so much but hates blacks and Mexicans.

I guess you think it's even funnier to make stuff up

[Blake]

I mean, when the other person already blasted off in a blaze of butt-hurt, there isn't really any reason to keep playing.

More seriously, though, I'm not going to chase you around insulting you like some of the other posters have. I may have issues with your arguments and how you present yourself in them, but I have no beef with you personally. If you respond to me, I'm going to reply, with criticism if I think it's warranted. But I'm not interested in continuing to push pissing contests if you say you're done.


I have no beef with anyone here either; It's just a message board. I don't care to change your mind either. I'm seeing if you or anyone else is going to bring something new to the table to change mine.

You aren't required to tell me you're done. You can just be done.

[Blake]

"The fate of North Carolina's new law aimed at restricting restroom use by transgender people could be determined in*Virginia, where a school board has ordered a teenager to stay out of the boys' room.

The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond could rule any day now in the case of Gavin Grimm, who was born female but identifies as male. Grimm says he has to take a "walk of shame" to use a restroom at Gloucester High School.

Whatever the judges decide, the impact will be far more sweeping than what Grimm envisioned when he challenged the policy last year.

"I did not set out to make waves — I set out to use the bathroom," Grimm says.

North Carolina's bathroom bill was unveiled, debated and signed into law in a single day last week, two months after the appeals court in Richmond heard arguments in Grimm's case. But two workers and a transgender student at the University of*North Carolina*are making similar arguments as they seek a federal injunction preventing enforcement of the new law.

Among other things, the law directs public schools, public universities and government agencies to designate bathrooms and locker rooms for use only by people based on their biological sex, and says transgender people can only use bathrooms matching their gender identity if they've had their birth certificates changed, which in North Carolina usually requires sexual reassignment surgery.

The law has prompted a national backlash. Businesses and politicians have announced boycotts of North Carolina, and legal challenges ensure that the wedge issue will dominate the Republican governor's re-election campaign*..........


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/north-carolina-bathroom-law-decided-virginia-38039192

[boutons_deux]

NC’s McCrory struggling to defend controversial anti-LGBT law

North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) held an event yesterday unveiling the site of a future interstate, and the governor noted that more reporters were on hand than he’d ordinarily expect. “I’m just amazed how many of y’all are interested in roads,” the governor said (http://www.kinston.com/news/20160330/3-and-out-mccrory-ends-media-questions-after-consecutive-hb-2-queries). “This is fantastic.”

The praise, of course, was insincere. McCrory realized that the media’s interest is in H.B. 2, a controversial new anti-LGBT measure the governor signed into law late las week, and as the Kinston Free Press reported (http://www.kinston.com/news/20160330/3-and-out-mccrory-ends-media-questions-after-consecutive-hb-2-queries), he’s eager for the questions to just go away.

[A]fter three questions, he was ready to leave.

“I know the media loves these created controversies, but the people of North Carolina want to talk about roads and jobs and education, and that’s what I’m going to focus …,” McCrory said.


Moments later, the report added, the governor “swiftly turned (http://www.kinston.com/news/20160330/3-and-out-mccrory-ends-media-questions-after-consecutive-hb-2-queries),” walking away from reporters with questions.

McCrory’s rhetoric would be more persuasive if it were consistent with reality.

If the people of North Carolina are focused on roads and jobs and education, why is North Carolina’s Republican-led state government – led by Pat McCrory – focused on bathrooms and blocking communities from protecting civil rights?

As for the controversy itself, the governor may be disappointed if he’s waiting for the story to fade away. The New York Times reported (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/us/north-carolina-governor-attacks-critics-of-law-curbing-protections-from-bias.html) yesterday:


The onslaught of criticism, economic sanctions and a lawsuit being leveled at Gov. Pat McCrory of North Carolina grew on Tuesday, as the largest corporation in his state joined the fight against a new law that eliminated anti-discrimination protections for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Bank of America, which has its headquarters in Charlotte, N.C., announced late Tuesday on Twitter that its leadership was joining over 80 chief executives, including Timothy D. Cook of Apple and Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook, in objecting to the new law. Earlier in the day, the chief executives published a letter, addressed to Mr. McCrory, on the Human Rights Campaign website, saying, “Such laws are bad for our employees and bad for business.”


The Greensboro News & Record noted (http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/the-fallout-from-house-bill-just-keeps-getting-bigger/article_3cd0021f-3aeb-58db-bed2-e5d0af432889.html). “McCrory has claimed that a large number of businesses supported the law, but his office has not listed those companies despite many media requests.”

Imagine that.

Public-sector responses, meanwhile, are only adding to the pressure. The Democratic governors in New York, Washington, and Vermont have stopped all non-essential travel to North Carolina, and several mayors have done the same. [Update: Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy issued a related executive order this morning.]

As for McCrory himself, the Republican governor still hasn’t explained why he said (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ncs-mccrory-dismisses-criticism-new-discrimination-law) the new law doesn’t interfere with local civil-rights protections, when the truth is the exact opposite.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ncs-mccrory-struggling-defend-controversial-anti-lgbt-law?cid=sm_fb_maddow

What with win? Christian LGBT-hating Sharia? or corporate $$$ ?

[boutons_deux]

http://www.truthdig.com/images/made/images/cartoonuploads/[email protected]

[boutons_deux]

Now the Obama administration is weighing in on the controversy, saying that the North Carolina law may jeopardize the state’s federal funds. If the Justice Department determines that the law violates federal civil rights statutes, the state could be looking at the loss of billions of dollars in highway, school, and housing funding.

So far no one is saying that Washington is ready to move on halting federal funds, but there have been some “warning shots” fired in North Carolina’s direction. The Charlotte Observer reports that Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx raised the possibility of a federal review (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/article68824547.html) of North Carolina’s transportation funds during a speech in the state on March 29. North Carolina receives about $1 billion a year in federal highway funds.

But the $1 billion in transportation funding pales in comparison to the $4.5 billion North Carolina receives in funds for education. The concern, expressed by business leaders in a letter to Governor Pat McCrory, is that the federal Department of Education will withhold those funds due to the new law’s violation of the Title IX statute. That law, passed in 1972, says that educational institutions that receive federal funds cannot discriminate against people based on sex.

A fact-check by Raleigh TV station WRAL says that at the present time it is unclear whether federal courts would say that gender identity is protected (http://www.wral.com/fact-check-does-hb2-threaten-federal-education-funding/15611222/) under Title IX. A federal lawsuit currently underway in Virginia could decide that issue, and if the court decides that transgender students are covered under Title IX protections, North Carolina schools could be in for a world of hurt.

http://winningdemocrats.com/obama-just-threatened-to-take-billions-from-north-carolina-over-anti-gay-law/

[DMX7]

Do the politicians who pass this crap take pride in screwing over LGBT community or is just that their backwards constituents are really demanding it (or at least perceiving it as a reason to vote for them and donate to them)?

[spurraider21]

Now the Obama administration is weighing in on the controversy, saying that the North Carolina law may jeopardize the state’s federal funds. If the Justice Department determines that the law violates federal civil rights statutes, the state could be looking at the loss of billions of dollars in highway, school, and housing funding.

So far no one is saying that Washington is ready to move on halting federal funds, but there have been some “warning shots” fired in North Carolina’s direction. The Charlotte Observer reports that Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx raised the possibility of a federal review (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/article68824547.html) of North Carolina’s transportation funds during a speech in the state on March 29. North Carolina receives about $1 billion a year in federal highway funds.

But the $1 billion in transportation funding pales in comparison to the $4.5 billion North Carolina receives in funds for education. The concern, expressed by business leaders in a letter to Governor Pat McCrory, is that the federal Department of Education will withhold those funds due to the new law’s violation of the Title IX statute. That law, passed in 1972, says that educational institutions that receive federal funds cannot discriminate against people based on sex.

A fact-check by Raleigh TV station WRAL says that at the present time it is unclear whether federal courts would say that gender identity is protected (http://www.wral.com/fact-check-does-hb2-threaten-federal-education-funding/15611222/) under Title IX. A federal lawsuit currently underway in Virginia could decide that issue, and if the court decides that transgender students are covered under Title IX protections, North Carolina schools could be in for a world of hurt.

http://winningdemocrats.com/obama-just-threatened-to-take-billions-from-north-carolina-over-anti-gay-law/



lol "world of hurt"
lol "winningdemocrats.com"

[Blake]

lol "world of hurt"
lol "winningdemocrats.com"


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is considering whether North Carolina’s*new law on gay and transgender rights*makes the state ineligible for billions of dollars in federal aid for schools, highways and housing, officials said Friday.

Cutting off any federal money — or even simply threatening to do so — would put major new pressure on North Carolina to repeal the law, which eliminated local protections for gay and transgender people and restricted which bathrooms transgender people can use. A loss of federal money could send the state into a budget crisis and jeopardize services that are central to daily life.

Although experts said such a drastic step was unlikely, at least immediately, the administration’s review puts North Carolina on notice that the new law could have financial consequences. Gov. Pat McCrory of North Carolina had assured residents that the law would not jeopardize federal money for education.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/02/us/politics/north-carolina-anti-discrimination-law-obama-federal-funds.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

World of hurt is subjective I guess

[CosmicCowboy]

I just think it's funny that Blake loves gays and transgenders so much but hates blacks and Mexicans.

He hasn't been cucked by a transgender............

yet

[boutons_deux]

https://www.facebook.com/topic/Funny-or-Die/111051865589206?source=wtfrt&position=10&trqid=6271618358645281733

[Blake]

https://www.facebook.com/topic/Funny-or-Die/111051865589206?source=wtfrt&position=10&trqid=6271618358645281733

:lol

[russellgoat]

If I identify myself as a female despite not wanting to take hormones, having surgery or wear dresses, can I go to the women's bathroom without any problem, at least in progressive states?

[Winehole23]

what's preventing you?

[boutons_deux]

If I identify myself as a female despite not wanting to take hormones, having surgery or wear dresses, can I go to the women's bathroom without any problem, at least in progressive states?

you can in progressive Austin's Starbucks. boys and girls can go into either restroom.

Euros laugh at America's puritannical police state that forces to people to excrete in police-viewable toilet stalls, rather than in full-door closets.

[Blake]

If I identify myself as a female despite not wanting to take hormones, having surgery or wear dresses, can I go to the women's bathroom without any problem, at least in progressive states?

Problem solved


Santee Education Complex is the first school in the Los Angeles Unified School District to let students of different genders use the same bathroom at the same time.

On Thursday, the circular "girls" sign outside a second-floor bathroom is being replaced by one that says "all-gender restroom." The inside isn't changing at all.

http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-edu-gender-neutral-bathroom-20160413-snap-htmlstory.html

[russellgoat]

Problem solved

What about urinals?

[Winehole23]

don't shit in the bidet

[Spurminator]

What about urinals?

You can use the stall if you're afraid of a girl seeing your peepee.

[spankadelphia]

The whole "issue" can be summed up basically as a massive signaling opportunity for shitlibs and their handlers. The number of actual degenerates that call themselves trannies is substantially low when compared to the rest of the population. They're statistically almost non-existent. But, as we see every few years, shitlibs get a hard-on for a pet issue to signal their righteous indignation for normal people and take up the cross for small groups of weirdos like trannies. The main goal isn't necessarily for trannies to get to use the same public bathroom that your young son or daughter use. The main goal is to stick it to white heterosexuals (bonus points if they're also Christian and conservative) ie. the archenemy of the left. Almost every shitlib scheme and cause can be broken down into revolts against whites and white normalcy.

[boutons_deux]

"They're statistically almost non-existent."

yep, that's exactly why Repugs/Christian Taliban are spending so much time specifically targeting LGBTQ with laws.

[Blake]

The whole "issue" can be summed up basically as a massive signaling opportunity for shitlibs and their handlers. The number of actual degenerates that call themselves trannies is substantially low when compared to the rest of the population. They're statistically almost non-existent. But, as we see every few years, shitlibs get a hard-on for a pet issue to signal their righteous indignation for normal people and take up the cross for small groups of weirdos like trannies. The main goal isn't necessarily for trannies to get to use the same public bathroom that your young son or daughter use. The main goal is to stick it to white heterosexuals (bonus points if they're also Christian and conservative) ie. the archenemy of the left. Almost every shitlib scheme and cause can be broken down into revolts against whites and white normalcy.

That's it....get it all out

[spankadelphia]

"They're statistically almost non-existent."

yep, that's exactly why Repugs/Christian Taliban are spending so much time specifically targeting LGBTQ with laws.




Public bathrooms, like wedding cakes, are central to the rights of "LGBT citizens", because so much of their sexual activity happens there.

[SpursforSix]

Public bathrooms, like wedding cakes, are central to the rights of "LGBT citizens", because so much of their sexual activity happens there.


:lol

that reads funny

[SpursforSix]

Buttholes, like wedding cakes, are central to the rights of "LGBT citizens", because so much of their sexual activity happens there.

also I fify

[Blake]

Public bathrooms, like wedding cakes, are central to the rights of "LGBT citizens", because so much of their sexual activity happens there.

How does sexual activity happen at wedding cakes

[boutons_deux]

Slave State Lynching News

Rainbow-colored nooses taken down from Tennessee campus

http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Nooses-at-Austin-Peay-Instagram-800x430.png


Police at Austin Peay State University in Tennessee have removed six rainbow colored nooses – widely seen as a symbol of racial hatred – hanging from a tree on campus, the school said.Police on Monday took down the row of nooses found near the university fine arts building on the main campus in Clarksville, Tennessee, after receiving several complaints, the school said in a statement.

The intent of the display, especially in the multicolored style suggesting a link to the gay pride movement, was unclear. WTF :lol

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/rainbow-colored-nooses-taken-down-from-tennessee-campus/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Why didn't the campus staff remove the nooses?

[boutons_deux]

Sam Bee is the true inheritor of Jon Stewart's satire. Here she is letting a TN cretin take it in the Butt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f4vZmsuw2s

[boutons_deux]

Federal Court Tells Lawmakers To Shut Up And Deal With Trans People In Bathrooms

A federal appeals court just dropped on bomb on Southern lawmakers who think it is up to them to decide where trans people pee.

In G.G. v. Gloucester County School Board (http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Published/152056.P.pdf), a divided panel of the United States for the Fourth Circuit held that schools risk their federal funding if they do not permit trans people to use bathrooms that align with the person’s gender identity.

Though the court stopped just shy of immediately ordering a Virginia school district to abandon its anti-trans bathroom policy, the opinion is likely to have sweeping consequences for schools that engage in such discrimination within the states overseen by the Fourth Circuit.

Notably, one of those states is North Carolina, the home of a sweeping anti-LGBT law (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/03/24/3763023/north-carolina-anti-lgbt/) preventing trans individuals from using the appropriate bathroom in many facilities.

Under federal law, “[n]o person . . . shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” The Department’s regulations, however, do permit “separate toilet, locker room, and shower facilities on the basis of sex.”

The Fourth Circuit’s majority opinion by Judge Henry Franklin Floyd, an Obama appointee, relies primarily on the Department of Education’s interpretation of this regulation governing segregated bathroom facilities. “When a school elects to separate or treat students differently on the basis of sex,” according to the Department, “a school generally must treat transgender students consistent with their gender identity.” A trans man is a man and a trans woman is a woman.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/04/19/3770794/fourth-circuit-trans-bathrooms/

[Blake]

Slave State Lynching News

Rainbow-colored nooses taken down from Tennessee campus

http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Nooses-at-Austin-Peay-Instagram-800x430.png


Police at Austin Peay State University in Tennessee have removed six rainbow colored nooses – widely seen as a symbol of racial hatred – hanging from a tree on campus, the school said.Police on Monday took down the row of nooses found near the university fine arts building on the main campus in Clarksville, Tennessee, after receiving several complaints, the school said in a statement.

The intent of the display, especially in the multicolored style suggesting a link to the gay pride movement, was unclear. WTF :lol

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/rainbow-colored-nooses-taken-down-from-tennessee-campus/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Why didn't the campus staff remove the nooses?




I think campus cops count as staff. It was only up for about an hour.

[Blake]

Reuters) - The Tennessee university student whose art project, six rainbow-colored nooses hanging from a tree, was swiftly removed by police said on Tuesday that she did not intend to be racially insensitive or offend the gay community.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rainbow-colored-nooses-removed-tree-tennessee-campus-065911277.html?nhp=1


Yeah, sure

[Spurminator]

I mean, I actually assumed it was a pro-gay display until I read her explanation...


"My intention with my sculpture project was to address the cycle of death and rebirth that is represented by the arrival of spring,"

:lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Problem solved


Santee Education Complex is the first school in the Los Angeles Unified School District to let students of different genders use the same bathroom at the same time.

On Thursday, the circular "girls" sign outside a second-floor bathroom is being replaced by one that says "all-gender restroom." The inside isn't changing at all.

http://www.latimes.com/local/educati...htmlstory.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-edu-gender-neutral-bathroom-20160413-snap-htmlstory.html)

And that is all fine and dandy, because in that school students who don't want to share a bathroom with Bruce/Kaitlyn will still have a choice to piss/shit/tampon change with their own biological sex.

But then you have a Federal courts ruling like this:

http://dailysignal.com/2016/04/19/federal-court-schools-may-not-provide-separate-bathrooms-based-on-biology/

The Fourth Circuit Court ruled today against a Virginia school district (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-appeals-court-sides-with-trangender-teen-says-bathroom-case-can-go-forward/2016/04/19/6a873b88-f76b-11e5-9804-537defcc3cf6_story.html) that sought to accommodate a transgender student while also protecting the privacy rights of other students.
The federal court concluded that Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972—which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex—should be interpreted as prohibiting discrimination on the basis of gender identity, as a Department of Education letter suggested in 2015. The ruling allows a lawsuit brought by a transgender student to proceed.
The case involves a biological girl who identifies as a boy. The court’s majority explains it this way (http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Published/152056.P.pdf): “G.G.’s birth-assigned sex, or so-called ‘biological sex,’ is female, but G.G.’s gender identity is male.” Note the scare quotes around what the court calls “so-called ‘biological sex.’” Biological sex, in fact, is precisely what Congress protected in 1972.
In a stinging dissent, Judge Paul Niemeyer points out (http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Published/152056.P.pdf) that “the majority’s opinion, for the first time ever, holds that a public high school may not provide separate restrooms and locker rooms on the basis of biological sex.” It’s hard to imagine that that’s what Congress was prohibiting when it enacted Title IX in 1972.


Indeed, the court’s ruling goes against human history, practice, and common sense. Niemeyer explains:

This holding completely tramples on all universally accepted protections of privacy and safety that are based on the anatomical differences between the sexes. … schools would no longer be able to protect physiological privacy as between students of the opposite biological sex.
This unprecedented holding overrules custom, culture, and the very demands inherent in human nature for privacy and safety, which the separation of such facilities is designed to protect. More particularly, it also misconstrues the clear language of Title IX and its regulations. And finally, it reaches an unworkable and illogical result.
Niemeyer even points out that students have privacy rights to not have students of the other biological sex in their locker rooms:

Across societies and throughout history, it has been commonplace and universally accepted to separate public restrooms, locker rooms, and shower facilities on the basis of biological sex in order to address privacy and safety concerns arising from the biological differences between males and females. An individual has a legitimate and important interest in bodily privacy such that his or her nude or partially nude body, genitalia, and other private parts are not exposed to persons of the opposite biological sex. Indeed, courts have consistently recognized that the need for such privacy is inherent in the nature and dignity of humankind.
Nevertheless, G.G. sued the school district. Why? Because the district created a policy which says that bathroom and locker room access is primarily based on biology, while also creating accommodations for transgender students. Specifically, the policy is that only biological girls can use the girls’ room, only biological boys can use the boys’ room, and any student can use one of the three single-occupancy bathrooms, which the school created specifically to accommodate transgender students.
But even this accommodation wasn’t good enough. Hence the lawsuit and Tuesday’s ruling.
In a concurring opinion, Judge Andre Davis claims the student is at risk of “irreparable harm” if forced to use a single-occupancy bathroom. Davis says that to support the claim of “irreparable harm, G.G. submitted an affidavit to the district court describing the psychological distress he experiences when he is forced to use the single-stall restrooms.”
Davis adds that “G.G. experiences daily psychological harm that puts him at risk for long-term psychological harm, and his avoidance of the restroom as a result of the Board’s policy puts him at risk for developing a urinary tract infection as he has repeatedly in the past.” Davis concludes that for G.G. to use single-occupancy restrooms “is tantamount to humiliation and a continuing mark of difference.”
Niemeyer, however, points out that the majority relies not on the actual text, history, or legal implementation of Title IX, but on a 2015 letter from the Office for Civil Rights of the Department of Education: “The recent Office for Civil Rights letter, moreover, which is not law but which is the only authority on which the majority relies, states more than the majority acknowledges.” Indeed, that letter suggested that schools “offer the use of gender-neutral, individual-user facilities to any student who does not want to use shared sex-segregated facilities.”
At the end of the day, it’s hard to disagree with Niemeyer when he writes, “Any new definition of sex that excludes reference to physiological differences, as the majority now attempts to introduce, is simply an unsupported reach to rationalize a desired outcome.” This is simply an unaccountable agency and an activist court rewriting Title IX and remaking bathroom policy across our nation.
Bathroom, locker room, and shower facility policies that protect privacy based on biology while also accommodating transgender students make good sense. And as Niemeyer explains, they comply with the law, too: “when the school board assigned restrooms and locker rooms on the basis of biological sex, it was clearly complying precisely with the unambiguous language of Title IX and its regulations.”

[TheSanityAnnex]

The Fourth Circuit Court ruled today against a Virginia school district (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-appeals-court-sides-with-trangender-teen-says-bathroom-case-can-go-forward/2016/04/19/6a873b88-f76b-11e5-9804-537defcc3cf6_story.html) that sought to accommodate a transgender student while also protecting the privacy rights of other students

This is what I have a problem with, the privacy rights of other students are now being trampled.

[SpursforSix]

This is what I have a problem with, the privacy rights of other students are now being trampled.

Exactly. That's it in a nutshell.

[Spurminator]

There is no right to not be seen in the restroom.

[Blake]

This is what I have a problem with, the privacy rights of other students are now being trampled.

What privacy rights are being trampled exactly

[Blake]

..Indeed, the court’s ruling goes against human history, practice, and common sense.

Lol human history

Men and women should squat behind separate bushes I saiiiiiiiid

[SpursforSix]

What privacy rights are being trampled exactly

Isn't the whole argument that the trans feels uncomfortable using the bathroom designated for their actual gender? But fuck everyone else who feels uncomfortable using the same bathroom as the trans.

[TheSanityAnnex]

What privacy rights are being trampled exactly

Let's finish that quote you started
it has been commonplace and universally accepted to separate public restrooms, locker rooms, and shower facilities on the basis of biological sex in order to address privacy and safety concerns arising from the biological differences between males and females. An individual has a legitimate and important interest in bodily privacy such that his or her nude or partially nude body, genitalia, and other private parts are not exposed to persons of the opposite biological sex. Indeed, courts have consistently recognized that the need for such privacy is inherent in the nature and dignity of humankind

Not all children are comfortable using the same restroom, especially girls having to share with boys. They will now be forced to.

[Blake]

Isn't the whole argument that the trans feels uncomfortable using the bathroom designated for their actual gender? But fuck everyone else who feels uncomfortable using the same bathroom as the trans.

:cry muh comfort

Plenty of whites felt uncomfortable with blacks in the bathroom not too long ago.

I think you'll be alright.

[Spurminator]

Isn't the whole argument that the trans feels uncomfortable using the bathroom designated for their actual gender? But fuck everyone else who feels uncomfortable using the same bathroom as the trans.

You're talking about different kinds of discomfort, and you're comparing the rights of a person who might never knowingly encounter this situation to the rights of someone who will encounter it every time they use the restroom. The former has the option to leave the restroom or wait until the latter person is finished. The latter person does not have that option.

[Blake]

Let's finish that quote you started

Not all children are comfortable using the same restroom, especially girls having to share with boys. They will now be forced to.

Why is that privacy stops at gender for you and other privacy honks?

Seriously, you're OK with dudes side by side at the urinal trough but suddenly privacy is gone when a tranny walks in.

If this stupid logic wasn't being displayed at such high levels of policy making, it'd be hilarious.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Isn't the whole argument that the trans feels uncomfortable using the bathroom designated for their actual gender? But fuck everyone else who feels uncomfortable using the same bathroom as the trans.

I don't see why the kids who identify with their "biological sex" can't turn around and sue the schools for the same thing.

"My son came home from school and told me there was a girl using the boys locker room,” Franz said before the meeting. “This is someone he’s known for years and has always been a girl. My son was very upset by this, and I called the principal.”
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/feb/09/transgender-restrooms-locker-rooms-high-school/


Take a page out of "G.G.'s" book and claim the same trauma.

"My biological sex identifying son experiences daily psychological harm that puts him at risk for long-term psychological harm, and his avoidance of the restroom because of "G.G." as a result of the Board’s policy puts him at risk for developing a urinary tract infection as he has repeatedly in the past.” Because my biological sex identifying son is so uncomfortable around "G.G." his use of single-occupancy restrooms “is tantamount to humiliation and a continuing mark of difference.”

[spurraider21]

:cry muh comfort
are you quoting the trans population?

[TheSanityAnnex]

You're talking about different kinds of discomfort, and you're comparing the rights of a person who might never knowingly encounter this situation to the rights of someone who will encounter it every time they use the restroom. The former has the option to leave the restroom or wait until the latter person is finished. The latter person does not have that option.

And certain schools made accommodations that satisfied all students and gave them a choice on a gender neutral or gender specific bathroom, and I fully support this.

"Santee Education Complex is the first school in the Los Angeles Unified School District to let students of different genders use the same bathroom at the same time.

On Thursday, the circular "girls" sign outside a second-floor bathroom is being replaced by one that says "all-gender restroom." The inside isn't changing at all.

http://www.latimes.com/local/educati...htmlstory.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-edu-gender-neutral-bathroom-20160413-snap-htmlstory.html) "



What I do not support is the Fourth Circuit taking those accommodations away from students.

"for the first time ever, holds that a public high school may not provide separate restrooms and locker rooms on the basis of biological sex.” It’s hard to imagine that that’s what Congress was prohibiting when it enacted Title IX in 1972."

[I. Hustle]

Isn't the whole argument that the trans feels uncomfortable using the bathroom designated for their actual gender? But fuck everyone else who feels uncomfortable using the same bathroom as the trans.


:cry muh comfort

Plenty of whites felt uncomfortable with blacks in the bathroom not too long ago.

I think you'll be alright.

LMAO Black people didn't just feel uncomfortable in their own bathrooms though. There is a difference.

These people don't want to only because they don't feel comfortable. If it's not that big of a deal like you say, then why not just leave it as is?

Why don't you :cry muh comfort when it comes to them? You are very contradictory.

http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/120/509/120509561_640.jpg

[Blake]

are you quoting the trans population?

No, but their discomfort is understandable tho.

[spurraider21]

Why don't you :cry muh comfort when it comes to them? You are very contradictory.
:wow

[Blake]

LMAO Black people didn't just feel uncomfortable in their own bathrooms though. There is a difference.

Wtf

[Spurminator]

And certain schools made accommodations that satisfied all students and gave them a choice on a gender neutral or gender specific bathroom, and I fully support this.

They might as well put "Trannies" on the door.

There should be no need for separate gender-neutral or gender-specific bathrooms. It's an unnecessary accommodation to satisfy unwarranted fears. It creates social pressure on which restroom to use and draws undue attention towards transgender people if they choose to use the neutral restroom.

If you don't want to use the same restroom as someone, for whatever reason, you are free to wait until they are finished. Same thing applies if you're suddenly uncomfortable with the idea of yourself or your child pissing next to a gay man, which has been a risk we've all taken for decades and has never been an issue.

Stuff like this is a delay of the inevitable.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:cry muh comfort



muh ir:lolny


"In a concurring opinion, Judge Andre Davis claims the student is at risk of “irreparable harm :cry ” if forced to use a single-occupancy bathroom :cry . Davis says that to support the claim of “irreparable harm :cry , G.G. submitted an affidavit to the district court describing the psychological distress :cry he experiences when he is forced to use the single-stall restrooms :cry .”
Davis adds that “G.G. experiences daily psychological harm:cry that puts him at risk for long-term psychological harm :cry , and his avoidance of the restroom as a result of the Board’s policy :cry puts him at risk for developing a urinary tract infection as he has repeatedly in the past. :cry ” Davis concludes that for G.G. to use single-occupancy restrooms “is tantamount to humiliation :cry and a continuing mark of difference. :cry ”

[TheSanityAnnex]

They might as well put "Trannies" on the door.

There should be no need for separate gender-neutral or gender-specific bathrooms. It's an unnecessary accommodation to satisfy unwarranted fears. It creates social pressure on which restroom to use and draws undue attention towards transgender people if they choose to use the neutral restroom.

If you don't want to use the same restroom as someone, for whatever reason, you are free to wait until they are finished. Same thing applies if you're suddenly uncomfortable with the idea of yourself or your child pissing next to a gay man, which has been a risk we've all taken for decades and has never been an issue.

Stuff like this is a delay of the inevitable.

I agree with you if we were talking about adults, but we aren't.

[Spurminator]

I agree with you if we were talking about adults, but we aren't.

Fair enough. I have mixed feelings about gender transition before adulthood anyway. But the restroom legislation being passed by southern states right now doesn't only apply to schools.

[Blake]

They might as well put "Trannies" on the door.

There should be no need for separate gender-neutral or gender-specific bathrooms. It's an unnecessary accommodation to satisfy unwarranted fears. It creates social pressure on which restroom to use and draws undue attention towards transgender people if they choose to use the neutral restroom.

If you don't want to use the same restroom as someone, for whatever reason, you are free to wait until they are finished. Same thing applies if you're suddenly uncomfortable with the idea of yourself or your child pissing next to a gay man, which has been a risk we've all taken for decades and has never been an issue.

Stuff like this is a delay of the inevitable.

That.

[SpursforSix]

We haven't even talked about the inevitable problem of trannies peeing all over the women's toilet seats.

[Blake]

muh ir:lolny


"In a concurring opinion, Judge Andre Davis claims the student is at risk of “irreparable harm :cry ” if forced to use a single-occupancy bathroom :cry . Davis says that to support the claim of “irreparable harm :cry , G.G. submitted an affidavit to the district court describing the psychological distress :cry he experiences when he is forced to use the single-stall restrooms :cry .”
Davis adds that “G.G. experiences daily psychological harm:cry that puts him at risk for long-term psychological harm :cry , and his avoidance of the restroom as a result of the Board’s policy :cry puts him at risk for developing a urinary tract infection as he has repeatedly in the past. :cry ” Davis concludes that for G.G. to use single-occupancy restrooms “is tantamount to humiliation :cry and a continuing mark of difference. :cry ”

Yeah, like Spurminator said, just go ahead and label it tranny. That'll make em feel less harassed.

[Blake]

We haven't even talked about the inevitable problem of trannies peeing all over the women's toilet seats.

Do you have a separate urinal at home just for you?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Fair enough. I have mixed feelings about gender transition before adulthood anyway. But the restroom legislation being passed by southern states right now doesn't only apply to schools.

I jumped in without reading the whole thread and just assumed the thread stuck to the title, but yeah I was just talking about schools.

It's going to be funny watching the reaction from women, who title IX was passed to protect, screaming and hollering when guys just decide to use their restroom and don't put the seat up and leave it down and piss all over it.

[SpursforSix]

Do you have a separate urinal at home just for you?

Nope. But I care enough about the ramifications of peeing on the seat. Enough that I will lift the seat. Or more likely, just wipe off the pee with some toilet paper.

But if I'm in a public restroom and having to pee in the toilet, I don't touch the damn seat. I'll do my best to get the pee pee in the hole but if I miss or dribble...well...whoever wants to poop next...they'll have to figure it out.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yeah, like Spurminator said, just go ahead and label it tranny. That'll make em feel less harassed.

Why do you want to force kids to use a gender-neutral bathroom if they are uncomfortable with it?

[Blake]

Why do you want to force kids to use a gender-neutral bathroom if they are uncomfortable with it?

I'm of the opinion all bathrooms should be gender neutral.

[Spurminator]

Eventually they'll do away with separate restrooms and kids will grow up used to peeing in a stall next to someone of the opposite sex. They'll be fine.

They'll have to figure out the open shower facilities first. How that's still a thing is a mystery to me.

[Blake]

Nope. But I care enough about the ramifications of peeing on the seat. Enough that I will lift the seat. Or more likely, just wipe off the pee with some toilet paper.

But if I'm in a public restroom and having to pee in the toilet, I don't touch the damn seat. I'll do my best to get the pee pee in the hole but if I miss or dribble...well...whoever wants to poop next...they'll have to figure it out.

So what's the problem again

[Blake]

Eventually they'll do away with separate restrooms and kids will grow up used to peeing in a stall next to someone of the opposite sex. They'll be fine.

They'll have to figure out the open shower facilities first. How that's still a thing is a mystery to me.

Nobody complains about open showers with other naked dudes lol.

But a dude in a dress walks in and comfort is shot to hell

[SpursforSix]

Eventually they'll do away with separate restrooms and kids will grow up used to peeing in a stall next to someone of the opposite sex. They'll be fine.

They'll have to figure out the open shower facilities first. How that's still a thing is a mystery to me.

I don't think so. I can't imagine being OK with letting a grown man use the same bathroom as a 10 year old girl.

[SpursforSix]

So what's the problem again

crazy ass trannies peeing all over the women's toilet seat

[TheSanityAnnex]

Nobody complains about open showers with other naked dudes lol.

But a dude in a dress walks in and comfort is shot to hell



How do you think women will feel when Kaitlyn comes into the women's locker room to change and exposes his dick? Are they bigots for feeling uncomfortable?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm of the opinion all bathrooms should be gender neutral.So this kid's feelings are moot?

"My son came home from school and told me there was a girl using the boys locker room,” Franz said before the meeting. “This is someone he’s known for years and has always been a girl. My son was very upset by this, and I called the principal.”
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...s-high-school/ (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/feb/09/transgender-restrooms-locker-rooms-high-school/)

[I. Hustle]

Wtf

We'll go ahead and switch arguments for you. Black people didn't wake up and say "You know what, I've always felt black. I am going to change the color of my skin now because that's how I feel comfortable."

I understand that you don't feel that being trans is a choice and that's cool maybe it's not. There is a difference though in not being allowed EVERYWHERE because the color of your skin and saying "I just don't feel comfortable going to the men's room because I feel like I'm supposed to be a woman." Trans people have the option to play both roles should they choose to black people did/do not.

Don't compare being black with being transgender just because tranny black guys are your sexual preference. There is a difference.

[I. Hustle]

I'm of the opinion all bathrooms should be gender neutral.

Don't you have a daughter? Or are you cool with her going to the restroom in a movie theater or restaurant with a bunch of men using the same men's room. I say this because you aren't talking about trans rights anymore. You said all bathrooms gender neutral. Why not open everything up for the pervs, right?

As a dad, I don't share the same belief with you in that I would be cool with my daughter sharing a restroom with an Avante.

[Blake]

crazy ass trannies peeing all over the women's toilet seat

Never seen em. I'll have to take your word.

Even then

[Winehole23]

We can't have gender neutral restrooms because indecent, rude and poorly socialized men will expose themselves, pee on the seat and harass women

[Winehole23]

Is that about the size of it?

[I. Hustle]

Is that about the size of it?

Sounds about right. Even if a Caitlyn just wants to go in and use the toilet and not bother anyone, you'll always have the Avantes who have just been given the golden key.

[Spurminator]

Sounds about right. Even if a Caitlyn just wants to go in and use the toilet and not bother anyone, you'll always have the Avantes who have just been given the golden key.

Avantes aren't going to be kept out of a restroom on some legal technicality. Anything you're afraid will happen to your daughter is, and always will be, illegal.

[SpursforSix]

Sounds about right. Even if a Caitlyn just wants to go in and use the toilet and not bother anyone, you'll always have the Avantes who have just been given the golden key.

Yup. From what is reported, many sex offenses are crimes of opportunity. I can't believe that anyone lobbying for open bathrooms just dismisses any concerns as being irrational. There's a reason that convicted sex offenders can't live near schools. But all of a sudden, it's going to be OK for them to use the same public restrooms as children.

[mingus]

We can't have gender neutral restrooms because indecent, rude and poorly socialized men will expose themselves, pee on the seat and harass women

Men already expose themselves in bathrooms. In fact when I was really young, a man pissing in the urinal started wanking off while glancing back & forth at me. I'd no idea what he was doing at the time, but I thought it was weird and hurried out.

And also, men aren't the only ones who've preyed on young kids. It goes both ways.

I think there's also the issue of people just using it as an excuse to get a quick fuck in. It'd be easy to walk into a stall with your girl and get head. How they gonna prove any thing indecent is going on short of seemen flying on the shoe of the person in the next stall?

I believe most people are good & well-intentioned. I don't believe most adults would have a problem with gender-neutral bathrooms. Pissing next to a woman or girl wouldn't be an issue and vice versa. But I think if you have gender-neutral bathrooms, immature people (esp. adolescents) are going to try and get away with a lot more in those stalls. Which would be the wrong environment for a child, or anyone.

In terms of the practicality of it tho, even if you had gender-neutral bathrooms, they'd be HATED by women, for the simple reason that half the time women spend in the bathroom is to put on/fix their make up. They don't want to do that in front of men.

[Spurminator]

All of these slippery slope arguments about what illegal activity could possibly happen make me wonder how we ever legalized men and women being in the same room together.

[Spurminator]

If we let men and women use the same swimming pools, men will be oggling little girls while they're in swimsuits, and teenage kids will be giving each other handjobs underwater all the time.

I wouldn't want my daughter swimming next to a potential pedophile.

[mingus]

All of these slippery slope arguments about what illegal activity could possibly happen make me wonder how we ever legalized men and women being in the same room together.

A female perspective would be esp. appreciated here. Maybe rmt or some other female poster can comment. Apparently a bunch of guys have it all figured out already.

[baseline bum]

All of these slippery slope arguments about what illegal activity could possibly happen make me wonder how we ever legalized men and women being in the same room together.

I don't know, we're a lot more violent a culture than the rest of the first world. Like Michael Moore says, guns don't kill people, Americans kill people.

[Spurminator]

No kidding, imagine if we let gun owners bring their guns into bathrooms. Think of all of the vulnerable people who would be shot.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't know, we're a lot more violent a culture than the rest of the first world. Like Michael Moore says, guns don't kill people, African Americans kill people.FIFY
https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/silver-datalab-unhomicide-2.png?w=575&h=1294

[rmt]

A female perspective would be esp. appreciated here. Maybe rmt or some other female poster can comment. Apparently a bunch of guys have it all figured out already.

I will not go into any bathroom with anyone who looks male. I definitely wouldn't send my daughter or son (when they were young) in either. Even when my son got old enough where he didn't want to go into the ladies bathroom with me, I'd stand outside the men's bathroom and talk to him the entire time he was in there alone. One of you called me clinically paranoid, but you can't be too careful these days - I'll do everything I can not to be a victim.

[I. Hustle]

Avantes aren't going to be kept out of a restroom on some legal technicality. Anything you're afraid will happen to your daughter is, and always will be, illegal.

That's my point. They will be given access along with everyone else. At least now, they have to try and sneak in and have a harder time doing so. If you make them all gender neutral then they can just walk right in after any young child.

I know that there are already gay and lesbian Avantes that have access but I am talking about just any old Avante that is into children or even adult women.

[Spurminator]

That's my point. They will be given access along with everyone else. At least now, they have to try and sneak in and have a harder time doing so. If you make them all gender neutral then they can just walk right in after any young child.

I know that there are already gay and lesbian Avantes that have access but I am talking about just any old Avante that is into children or even adult women.

They can already just walk right in. They're about to commit a crime that could put them in prison for the rest of their life, you don't think they would commit a misdemeanor to do so?

Single bathrooms will still have locks, public bathrooms with multiple toilets will still have the risk of other witnesses... the exact same risk potential rapists take right now.

[Blake]

A female perspective would be esp. appreciated here. Maybe rmt or some other female poster can comment. Apparently a bunch of guys have it all figured out already.

Yeah, it's pretty hilarious how many guys here speak on behalf of women regarding their comfort/privacy.

[I. Hustle]

Yeah, it's pretty hilarious how many guys here speak on behalf of women regarding their comfort/privacy.

If you had a daughter that you cared about you might understand.

[Blake]

Don't you have a daughter? Or are you cool with her going to the restroom in a movie theater or restaurant with a bunch of men using the same men's room. I say this because you aren't talking about trans rights anymore. You said all bathrooms gender neutral. Why not open everything up for the pervs, right?

As a dad, I don't share the same belief with you in that I would be cool with my daughter sharing a restroom with an Avante.

It's funny how many people make that argument.

As if the bathroom laws will somehow put a protective magic barrier around the bathroom, keeping sexual predators out

[Blake]

If you had a daughter that you cared about you might understand.

So when you're at a movie theater, how do you yourself identify trans pedos?

Do you do a dick check under every skirt?

[SpursforSix]

So when you're at a movie theater, how do you yourself identify trans pedos?

Do you do a dick check under every skirt?

You're comparing a movie theater to a bathroom?

[I. Hustle]

It's funny how many people make that argument.

As if the bathroom laws will somehow put a protective magic barrier around the bathroom, keeping sexual predators out

Not saying that laws place a magical barrier. My point is, why make it easier. I know it's hard for you to grasp.


So when you're at a movie theater, how do you yourself identify trans pedos?

Do you do a dick check under every skirt?

Sure, there is a risk now of tranny Avantes in the restroom. I am talking about the point YOU made though where restrooms should be gender neutral. That opens the doors for all of them. I BELIEVE, and I could be wrong, there was a thread that had a post saying that all someone needed was a push to send them in addict mode. Don't you think that open the doors for them to be in a setting such as a restroom is a good enough push?

[I. Hustle]

You're comparing a movie theater to a bathroom?

He does a quick dick check before taking his seat. Some people like popcorn at movies others like dick checks. Don't judge him.

[SpursforSix]

He does a quick dick check before taking his seat. Some people like popcorn at movies others like dick checks. Don't judge him.

I never judge. Does he look for people to do the old popcorn trick with him?

[I. Hustle]

I never judge. Does he look for people to do the old popcorn trick with him?

He's more of a nacho guy

[Blake]

You're comparing a movie theater to a bathroom?

I hustle brought up the movie theater, not me.

But it would be the bathroom at the movie theater, in this case

[Blake]

Not saying that laws place a magical barrier. My point is, why make it easier. I know it's hard for you to grasp.

You'll have to explain how this law makes it more difficult.



Sure, there is a risk now of tranny Avantes in the restroom. I am talking about the point YOU made though where restrooms should be gender neutral. That opens the doors for all of them. I BELIEVE, and I could be wrong, there was a thread that had a post saying that all someone needed was a push to send them in addict mode. Don't you think that open the doors for them to be in a setting such as a restroom is a good enough push?

Well, New York is going to go gender neutral, so I guess you'll get your chance to say I told you so after the pedos go wild.

[Blake]

He does a quick dick check before taking his seat. Some people like popcorn at movies others like dick checks. Don't judge him.

Lol no, you're the one here that's concerned about making sure people with dicks go to the same restroom as you.

I can't make it any clearer that I don't care who goes where.

[Spurminator]

Your daughter is about 10,000x more likely to have a transgender friend that she will be taking girl trips to the bathroom with than she is to ever encounter someone who's in a bathroom to perv on women.

[DarrinS]

Your daughter is about 10,000x more likely to have a transgender friend that she will be taking girl trips to the bathroom with than she is to ever encounter someone who's in a bathroom to perv on women.


Sounds like there's a lot of legit data behind that figure.


Just curious -- what percent of LGBT is T?

[I. Hustle]

Your daughter is about 10,000x more likely to have a transgender friend that she will be taking girl trips to the bathroom with than she is to ever encounter someone who's in a bathroom to perv on women.

You're serious, right? I mean, you are talking about gender neutral bathrooms for everyone. I HIGHLY doubt that what you are saying is accurate.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Your daughter is about 10,000x more likely to have a transgender friend that she will be taking girl trips to the bathroom with than she is to ever encounter someone who's in a bathroom to perv on women.

Considering there are about the same number of registered sex offenders as there are transgenders at around 700,000 I find your claim laughable.

[Blake]

You're serious, right? I mean, you are talking about gender neutral bathrooms for everyone. I HIGHLY doubt that what you are saying is accurate.

How many Trans gender bathroom perv attacks do you know of

[Blake]

Considering there are about the same number of registered sex offenders as there are transgenders at around 700,000 I find your claim laughable.

That line of correlation doesn't make any sense. :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Nobody complains about open showers with other naked dudes lol.

But a dude in a dress walks in and comfort is shot to hell


How do you think women will feel when Kaitlyn comes into the women's locker room to change and exposes his dick? Are they bigots for feeling uncomfortable?

[SpursforSix]

Sounds like there's a lot of legit data behind that figure.


Just curious -- what percent of LGBT is T?

it looks like 1/4 genius

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm of the opinion all bathrooms should be gender neutral.



So this kid's feelings are moot?

"My son came home from school and told me there was a girl using the boys locker room,” Franz said before the meeting. “This is someone he’s known for years and has always been a girl. My son was very upset by this, and I called the principal.”
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...s-high-school/ (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/feb/09/transgender-restrooms-locker-rooms-high-school/)

[TheSanityAnnex]

it looks like 1/4 genius

:lol

and it's around .3%

[TheSanityAnnex]

That line of correlation doesn't make any sense. :lol

Does one use the bathroom less than the other?

[Spurminator]

Sounds like there's a lot of legit data behind that figure.

Just curious -- what percent of LGBT is T?

Does it matter?

[Blake]

How do you think women will feel when Kaitlyn comes into the women's locker room to change and exposes his dick? Are they bigots for feeling uncomfortable?

Lol speaking for women again.

How comfortable would you feel if Caitlin comes into the men's locker room and exposes her dick to you.

I'll speak for you: very un.

[boutons_deux]

Ted Cruz Flushes White House Hopes With Bigoted Defense Of Bathroom Laws

http://15130-presscdn-0-89.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Ted-Cruz-11-701x377.jpg


Ted Cruz
✔‎@tedcruz (https://twitter.com/tedcruz)

We shouldn't be facilitating putting little girls alone in a bathroom w/ grown men. That's just a bad, bad, bad ideahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQlsUNyi8F8 … (https://t.co/fpj3vUjKuF)
9:06 AM - 21 Apr 2016 (https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/723150848021274624)

Cruz appeared on Glenn Beck’s radio show (http://player.listenlive.co/29591)to sell his irrational bathroom fears to Beck’s audience, which is probably a super good fit for Cruz and this is exactly why he can’t win in a national election but right now, when he’s desperate to pander to Republican primary voters, Cruz will take any hate love he can get.

Then at a rally in Frederick, Maryland (http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/ted-cruz-holds-rallies-in-maryland-after-ny-loss/), where he is polling third, the Republican Senator attacked Donald Trump for “Making America PC Again”.

“And he said he thought men should be able to go into the girls bathroom if they want,” Cruz trolled.

“Now let me ask you, have we going stark raving nuts? This is the political correctness. This is basic common sense.”

"An estimated 60% of perpetrators of sexual abuse are known to the child but are not family members, e.g., family friends, babysitters, child care providers, neighbors.

About 30% of perpetrators of child sexual abuse are family members.

Only about 10% of perpetrators of child sexual abuse are strangers to the child."

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/21/ted-cruz-flushes-white-house-hopes-stance-transgender-bathroom-laws.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

What is the percentage of "perpetrators of child sexual abuse" who are males transexed to female (and most probably castrated physically and hormonally)?

[Blake]

it looks like 1/4 genius

Lol

[Clipper Nation]

I'm of the opinion all bathrooms should be gender neutral.
You're also of the opinion that all bedrooms should be relationship neutral, tbh. Just ask your bull.

[Blake]

Does one use the bathroom less than the other?

Assuming it's equal use, what's your conclusion

[Spurminator]

You're serious, right? I mean, you are talking about gender neutral bathrooms for everyone. I HIGHLY doubt that what you are saying is accurate.

You really think in this internet age there is an epidemic of perverts who plan to get their nut listening to women tinkle and watch them wash their hands?


Considering there are about the same number of registered sex offenders as there are transgenders at around 700,000 I find your claim laughable.

That's a very broad list of people that you're assuming will be committing this very specific crime.

[Spurminator]

It's weird. I feel like I'm suddenly taking the second amendment side in a gun debate against people who would normally take that side. And we're not even talking about something involved in the deaths of 30,000 people per year.

[Blake]

You're also of the opinion that all bedrooms should be relationship neutral, tbh. Just ask your bull.

If you have to invent and visualize a cuck scenario that never happened, is it really worth it?

Apparently so.

What else are you thinking about during the day

[TheSanityAnnex]

Assuming it's equal use, what's your conclusion

His claim is laughable, thought I was pretty clear.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's a very broad list of people that you're assuming will be committing this very specific crime.

What crime would they be committing by "perving" in a gender neutral bathroom?

[Blake]

His claim is laughable, thought I was pretty clear.

Because there's 700k registered sex offenders out there?

Your line of reasoning is hilarious.

[Spurminator]

What crime would they be committing by "perving" in a gender neutral bathroom?

Crime may not be the right word, but you can't just stand around watching people in the restroom, even today.

In a gender neutral bathroom situation, those rules would be even tighter.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's weird. I feel like I'm suddenly taking the second amendment side in a gun debate against people who would normally take that side. And we're not even talking about something involved in the deaths of 30,000 people per year.

I'm unclear on your side regarding children at a school. Are you okay with gender neutral and gender specific bathrooms or only gender neutral bathroom?

[Spurminator]

I'm unclear on your side regarding children at a school. Are you okay with gender neutral and gender specific bathrooms or only gender neutral bathroom?

I'm not advocating for immediate change or saying that the way school bathrooms are currently separated is prejudicial. I think the current system is much better than having designated Tranny bathrooms. All I'm saying is that I expect we will eventually have gender neutral bathrooms and everything will still be fine.

I don't think gender transition should be available for kids until they are 18.
I don't think kids should have open showers or have to change in front of each other.
I think teachers should monitor bathrooms for non-bathroom related activity.

If all of those things are happening, I don't really see any significant danger in kids pissing and shitting in stalls next to each other.

[DarrinS]

Would you be ok with gender neural bathrooms at your office? I'm pretty sure the dudes at my office that drop morning nukes on the regular might feel self-conscious. And I guess no urinals?

[Spurminator]

Would you be ok with gender neural bathrooms at your office? I'm pretty sure the dudes at my office that drop morning nukes on the regular might feel self-conscious. And I guess no urinals?

I don't think I'd have an issue. I guess you could ask people who already work in offices with gender neutral bathrooms. I don't really see why there couldn't still be urinals. I've yet to see someone's penis at a urinal.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Would you be ok with gender neural bathrooms at your office? I'm pretty sure the dudes at my office that drop morning nukes on the regular might feel self-conscious. And I guess no urinals?

The elimination of the waterless urinals will spark the cries of the environmental groups.

[I. Hustle]

www.nsopw.gov

[DarrinS]

I don't think I'd have an issue. I guess you could ask people who already work in offices with gender neutral bathrooms. I don't really see why there couldn't still be urinals. I've yet to see someone's penis at a urinal.


There is one gender neutral bathroom at our office, but it's a single toilet.

[SpursforSix]

www.nsopw.gov (http://www.nsopw.gov)

#Avante.com/hompage

[TheSanityAnnex]

Lol speaking for women again.

How comfortable would you feel if Caitlin comes into the men's locker room and exposes her dick to you.

I'll speak for you: very un.
Lol avoiding answering yet again. I'm not speaking for women, Im only asking for you to take a guess. Let's assume just one woman felt uncomfortable with Kaitlyns dick hanging eye level with her while she's putting her shoes on. Does her being uncomfortable make her a bigot?

[TheSanityAnnex]

There is one gender neutral bathroom at our office, but it's a single toilet.
I can only imagine the daily psychological harm that puts people through, most likely irreparable for some. The amount of urinary tract infections in your office must be through the roof.

[I. Hustle]

This is just stupid. All of it.

It's stupid that it's even a discussion.

Because Caitlyn Jenner decides that being a boy is icky, I have to now worry that idiots will push for gender neutral restrooms everywhere. Again, I am not worried about myself but for those too young to do anything about it.

It's sick that some of you don't care about who will be around your kids but I do. For some reason you think that there aren't that many pervs that it will change anything. Just take a look at some of the posts on this board. The fact that there is an Avante and a Kool should be enough for you to realize that you are wrong.

[boutons_deux]

"It's stupid that it's even a discussion"

LGBT hate is just another intentional distraction pushed hard by the Repugs, Fox, Christian Taliban, right wing hate media so real progress and serious discussions are preempted.

[SpursforSix]

This is just stupid. All of it.

It's stupid that it's even a discussion.


It is so ridiculous that I can't get my head around the argument. Even disregarding the idea of child predators. Having open bathrooms in restaurants or sporting events where you'll have some drunk dudes in the bathroom with some 15 year old girl.

[SpursforSix]

"It's stupid that it's even a discussion"

LGBT hate is just another intentional distraction pushed hard by the Repugs, Fox, Christian Taliban, right wing hate media so real progress and serious discussions are preempted.




you may have missed it but we've moved on to talking about open bathrooms for either gender.

[Blake]

Would you be ok with gender neural bathrooms at your office? I'm pretty sure the dudes at my office that drop morning nukes on the regular might feel self-conscious. And I guess no urinals?

How do you go to the bathroom at home if you have no urinal? The yard?

I've been drunk enough to use the sink, but that was one time

[Blake]

www.nsopw.gov

How many did you find that committed sex crime in the bathroom?

[SpursforSix]

How many did you find that committed sex crime in the bathroom?

I'm pretty sure this isn't all inclusive.

http://www.mamamia.com.au/7-year-old-girl-rape-nsw/
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/07/boy-6-raped-in-pico-rivera-rapist-sought.html
http://jezebel.com/houston-detective-12-year-old-raped-by-stranger-in-pub-1740506278
http://patriotupdate.com/two-brothers-go-in-public-bathroom-when-only-one-returns-father-reacts-immediately/
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Two-Children-Sexually-Assaulted-in-Park-Bathrooms-in-South-Bay-255858611.html
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/01/man_51_charged_in_sexual_assau.html

[Blake]

Lol avoiding answering yet again. I'm not speaking for women, Im only asking for you to take a guess.

Of course you're speaking for all women. You're assuming they're uncomfortable. That's why you're asking the question.

I'll say some will, some won't.

Now your turn. What's your comfort level when Kaitlyn shows you crank?



Let's assume just one woman felt uncomfortable with Kaitlyns dick hanging eye level with her while she's putting her shoes on. Does her being uncomfortable make her a bigot?

Eh, it might make her a tranny phobe. Like you.

But let's assume Kaitlyn dick is hanging eye level with you while putting shoes on.

she's where she's supposed to be, you're comfortable.

[Blake]

I'm pretty sure this
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/07/boy-6-raped-in-pico-rivera-rapist-sought.html


Man on boy in men's restroom

Did he wear a dress tho.

[Blake]

It is so ridiculous that I can't get my head around the argument. Even disregarding the idea of child predators. Having open bathrooms in restaurants or sporting events where you'll have some drunk dudes in the bathroom with some 15 year old girl.

Or boy. According to your link.

[Blake]

This is just stupid. All of it.

It's stupid that it's even a discussion.

Because Caitlyn Jenner decides that being a boy is icky, I have to now worry that idiots will push for gender neutral restrooms everywhere. Again, I am not worried about myself but for those too young to do anything about it.

It's sick that some of you don't care about who will be around your kids but I do. For some reason you think that there aren't that many pervs that it will change anything. Just take a look at some of the posts on this board. The fact that there is an Avante and a Kool should be enough for you to realize that you are wrong.

Because symbols on bathroom doors deter predators

[boutons_deux]

you may have missed it but we've moved on to talking about open bathrooms for either gender.

you did miss it,but the entire conversation, all angles, is pure bullshit distraction from LGBT haters, etc.

[Spurminator]

This is just stupid. All of it.

It's stupid that it's even a discussion.

Because Caitlyn Jenner decides that being a boy is icky, I have to now worry that idiots will push for gender neutral restrooms everywhere. Again, I am not worried about myself but for those too young to do anything about it.

It's sick that some of you don't care about who will be around your kids but I do. For some reason you think that there aren't that many pervs that it will change anything. Just take a look at some of the posts on this board. The fact that there is an Avante and a Kool should be enough for you to realize that you are wrong.

You'll get used to it like you've gotten used to coed swimming pools, parks, classrooms, dorms. Life will go on. And your daughter will wonder why you thought her friend Stacy who used to be a boy was such a threat to her.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Of course you're speaking for all women. You're assuming they're uncomfortable. That's why you're asking the question.

I'll say some will, some won't.


Never spoke for all women and specifically only used one to avoid you trying to go that route, which you tried anyways. This one woman now feels uncomfortable in the woman's locker room because Kaitlyn felt uncomfortable changing in the men's locker room. Is this one woman a bigot in your eyes?

[TheSanityAnnex]

It is so ridiculous that I can't get my head around the argument. Even disregarding the idea of child predators. Having open bathrooms in restaurants or sporting events where you'll have some drunk dudes in the bathroom with some 15 year old girl.Indecent exposure laws will have to be changed for sure, can't have men having to register as sex offenders for turning around too quickly after pissing with their dicks still half way out.

[TheSanityAnnex]

you did miss it,but the entire conversation, all angles, is pure bullshit distraction from LGBT haters, etc.

Did it ever dawn on you that some of us can fully support the LGBT community while also thinking they don't need to be treated like special snowflakes?

[boutons_deux]

Did it ever dawn on you that some of us can fully support the LGBT community while also thinking they don't need to be treated like special snowflakes?

did ever occur to you that your discrimination against LGBT is treating them like special snowflakes?

[SpursforSix]

that wasn't your question. And there was some man of female in there.


How do you go to the bathroom at home if you have no urinal? The yard?

I've been drunk enough to use the sink, but that was one time


How many did you find that committed sex crime in the bathroom?


Man on boy in men's restroom

Did he wear a dress tho.

[spurraider21]

I don't know, we're a lot more violent a culture than the rest of the first world. Like Michael Moore says, guns don't kill people, Americans kill people.
michael moore is a faggot

[TheSanityAnnex]

did ever occur to you that your discrimination against LGBT is treating them like special snowflakes?

I'm perfectly fine with gender neutral bathrooms, as long as students still have the option to use a gender specific bathroom if the gender neutral makes them uncomfortable, to which the Fourth Circuit said no.

[TheSanityAnnex]

michael moore is a faggot

LGBT hater alert

[Blake]

Never spoke for all women and specifically only used one to avoid you trying to go that route, which you tried anyways. This one woman now feels uncomfortable in the woman's locker room because Kaitlyn felt uncomfortable changing in the men's locker room. Is this one woman a bigot in your eyes?

Already answered. Waiting on yours now.

[Blake]

I'm perfectly fine with gender neutral bathrooms, as long as students still have the option to use a gender specific bathroom if the gender neutral makes them uncomfortable, to which the Fourth Circuit said no.

Will trans be able to use any gender specific bathroom they want in your scenario?

If not, then may as well label the gender neutral as the tranny room

[TheSanityAnnex]

Already answered. Waiting on yours now.

There is no way I'd be able to hold back my laughter if Kaitlyn undressed next to me and his dick fell out.

Is Kaitlyn also a bigot because he doesn't want to see other men's penises?

[Blake]

that wasn't your question.

K, but it answered another.

And here's another: what do you propose we do to stop man on boy crime in the men's room?




And there was some man of female in there.

Would this north Carolina law have stopped that?

[Blake]

There is no way I'd be able to hold back my laughter if Kaitlyn undressed next to me and his dick fell out.


Is a guy that feels uncomfortable seeing another guys dick a bigot?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Will trans be able to use any gender specific bathroom they want in your scenario?

If not, then may as well label the gender neutral as the tranny room

I'd have no problem using a gender neutral bathroom as the lines would be much shorter, but some people would not feel comfortable using one or letting their kids use one and they should have the option to do so.

[Blake]

I'd have no problem using a gender neutral bathroom as the lines would be much shorter, but some people would not feel comfortable using one or letting their kids use one and they should have the option to do so.

That wasn't what I asked. Try again.

[Spurminator]

Remember when they had troughs in stadium bathrooms?

[TheSanityAnnex]

That wasn't what I asked. Try again.

Your question needed no reply. I already said gender neutral, which means anyone can use it, and gender specific which means that gender can use it. You continuously dismiss people who may feel uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with a transgender. Why does the comfort level of a transgender take precedent over a non-transgender's comfort level?

If you want to be totally fair to all parties who might feel uncomfortable single occupancy bathrooms for all.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Remember when they had troughs in stadium bathrooms?

Pissed in one a couple weeks ago in Puerto Nuevo. Shit in one years ago in Tijuana. Which reminds me, there used to be a bar we'd go to in Tijuana back in the day where if you paid the doorman a few bucks he'd adjust the lighting and you'd see right into the girls bathroom through a two way mirror. With these new laws poor doorman is out his tip money.

[DarrinS]

Remember when they had troughs in stadium bathrooms?


Those can be converted. Women and girls just have to face the opposite direction and hover.

[Spurminator]

Also, all you small government types are forgetting the private business aspect of this. Businesses are going to lead the way in transitioning to GN bathrooms and they're going to make them super nice and privacy-friendly. Businesses with GN bathrooms that make people feel insecure won't do well. Businesses that have bathrooms with less opportunity for pervy rapists to perv and rape will do better. Businesses slow to embrace GN bathrooms will risk losing brand affinity.

Capitalism!

[spurraider21]

it's just a weird double standard that we have to accommodate trans people who feel weirded out, but non trans people who feel weirded are expected to "deal with it" or "get used to it"

i think its also a bit misguided to call this some big civil rights issue, as this has to do with somebody's subjective identity and not an objective trait like race, sex, etc

[TheSanityAnnex]

Also, all you small government types are forgetting the private business aspect of this. Businesses are going to lead the way in transitioning to GN bathrooms and they're going to make them super nice and privacy-friendly. Businesses with GN bathrooms that make people feel insecure won't do well. Businesses that have bathrooms with less opportunity for pervy rapists to perv and rape will do better. Businesses slow to embrace GN bathrooms will risk losing brand affinity.

Capitalism!

Do you really think that private businesses are going to completely remodel their bathrooms and make them super nice and fancy for .3% of the population?

[TheSanityAnnex]

it's just a weird double standard that we have to accommodate trans people who feel weirded out, but non trans people who feel weirded are expected to "deal with it" or "get used to it"

i think its also a bit misguided to call this some big civil rights issue, as this has to do with somebody's subjective identity and not an objective trait like race, sex, etc

:tu I don't get it either.

[SpursforSix]

K, but it answered another.

And here's another: what do you propose we do to stop man on boy crime in the men's room?


Don't know. That's not really related to gender neutral bathrooms and the concern of men abusing girls.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The women will be the first to complain about gender neutral bathrooms and they'll complain loudly. It won't be due sharing the bathroom with transgenders it will be due to having to use the stall after men and their disgusting bathroom etiquette.

[Blake]

Your question needed no reply. I already said gender neutral, which means anyone can use it, and gender specific which means that gender can use it. You continuously dismiss people who may feel uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with a transgender. Why does the comfort level of a transgender take precedent over a non-transgender's comfort level?

If you want to be totally fair to all parties who might feel uncomfortable single occupancy bathrooms for all.

You guys are acting like it's equal discomfort.

But yeah, single occupancy bathrooms for all would be fine

[Blake]

it's just a weird double standard that we have to accommodate trans people who feel weirded out, but non trans people who feel weirded are expected to "deal with it" or "get used to it"

i think its also a bit misguided to call this some big civil rights issue, as this has to do with somebody's subjective identity and not an objective trait like race, sex, etc

Oh so you're in the it's a choice camp.

Noted.

[spurraider21]

Oh so you're in the it's a choice camp.

Noted.
strawman

noted

[Blake]

The women will be the first to complain about gender neutral bathrooms and they'll complain loudly. It won't be due sharing the bathroom with transgenders it will be due to having to use the stall after men and their disgusting bathroom etiquette.

Funny, it's been guys that I've seen complaining first.

Both on this board and in the political arena.

[Blake]

strawman

noted

If it's straw, it's yours. You brought it up being subjective identity vs objective, not me.

I'm just making a mental note for later

[spurraider21]

If it's straw, it's yours. You brought it up being subjective identity vs objective, not me.
i never called it a choice, moron

that's what makes it a strawman, you introduced an argument i never made

it is subjective because it's a matter of how the person feels

[Blake]

i never called it a choice, moron

that's what makes it a strawman, you introduced an argument i never made

Then explain what you mean by subjective vs objective, professor

[TheSanityAnnex]

You guys are acting like it's equal discomfort.

But yeah, single occupancy bathrooms for all would be fine
Who are you to judge someone's discomfort?

Remodeling all the bathrooms in the United States for .3% of the population sounds like an excellent use of tax dollars.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Funny, it's been guys that I've seen complaining first.

Both on this board and in the political arena.

Both are dominated by men are you surprised? You still haven't explained why you think it is okay to force a certain group of people to feel uncomfortable to appease another group of people who felt uncomfortable.

[TheSanityAnnex]

This could be a very positive step to see titties on a daily basis. Now that a woman can just go in the men's bathroom because she identifies as a man can she also walk around with no shirt on because she identifies as a man? And if so what would stop women who identify as women but just want to go topless from going topless and just saying they identify as a man? Bring on the titties right Blake?

[Blake]

Who are you to judge someone's discomfort?

Remodeling all the bathrooms in the United States for .3% of the population sounds like an excellent use of tax dollars.

You want to equate the discomfort of looking at a trans to being ridiculed, stared at, harassed, for trying to use the bathroom of the gender they look like, I won't stop you. I'll lolsmh at you tho.

[spurraider21]

Then explain what you mean by subjective vs objective, professor
i'm not a professor, but here's a dictionary definition of subjective. tell me more about how gender identity isn't a personal feeling

based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.


https://i.gyazo.com/d34e7376917e1ca2ed0d6fa2416861e3.png

[Blake]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_0nBU9UcAARWry.jpg

Which one of you asked for his dick at the men's room door and then kicked him out

[Blake]

i'm not a professor, but here's a dictionary definition of subjective. tell me more about how gender identity isn't a personal feeling

based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.



Right, you're saying it's their opinion.

Is it fact that they can be born that way or not? Stop dancing so we can move to next point

[spurraider21]

Right, you're saying it's their opinion.

Is it fact that they can be born that way or not? Stop dancing so we can move to next point
i'm not dancing. i have never even implied the opinion that it's a choice. you're just trying to build a nice big strawman so you can slay it and feel good about yourself

[TheSanityAnnex]

You want to equate the discomfort of looking at a trans to being ridiculed, stared at, harassed, for trying to use the bathroom of the gender they look like, I won't stop you. I'll lolsmh at you tho.
Wait...you think all transgenders look like the sex they identify with? :lolsmh

[TheSanityAnnex]

This could be a very positive step to see titties on a daily basis. Now that a woman can just go in the men's bathroom because she identifies as a man can she also walk around with no shirt on because she identifies as a man? And if so what would stop women who identify as women but just want to go topless from going topless and just saying they identify as a man? Bring on the titties right Blake?

Please chime in Blake.

[boutons_deux]

British officials warn travelers about anti-LGBT laws in the US

http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/styles/ratio--3-2--1_5x-1245x830/public/articles/ap272280198448.jpg?itok=XauminpM

one of our closest allies feels the need to warn some of its citizens about possibly facing discrimination while visiting the United States. The Washington Postreported (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/20/britain-issues-warning-for-lgbt-travelers-visiting-north-carolina-and-mississippi/) yesterday:

The British Foreign Office has released an advisory warning travelers to be aware of controversial new laws in North Carolina and Mississippi before visiting the United States.

The travel advisory update – directed to members of the country’s lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community – was posted on the Foreign Office’s website Tuesday.


The travel advisory, which is available online here (https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa/local-laws-and-customs), reminds British travelers, “The US is an extremely diverse society and attitudes towards LGBT people differ hugely across the country. LGBT travelers may be affected by legislation passed recently in the states of North Carolina and Mississippi. Before travelling please read our general travel advice for the LGBT community.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/british-officials-warn-travelers-about-anti-lgbt-laws-the-us?cid=sm_fb_maddow

USA giving the worst possible example as the dominant planetary empire.

Thanks, Repugs

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michael moore is a faggot

True, but even fat faggots can be right some of the time.

[TheSanityAnnex]

British officials warn travelers about anti-LGBT laws in the US

one of our closest allies feels the need to warn some of its citizens about possibly facing discrimination while visiting the United States. The Washington Postreported (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/20/britain-issues-warning-for-lgbt-travelers-visiting-north-carolina-and-mississippi/) yesterday:

The British Foreign Office has released an advisory warning travelers to be aware of controversial new laws in North Carolina and Mississippi before visiting the United States.

The travel advisory update – directed to members of the country’s lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community – was posted on the Foreign Office’s website Tuesday.


The travel advisory, which is available online here (https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa/local-laws-and-customs), reminds British travelers, “The US is an extremely diverse society and attitudes towards LGBT people differ hugely across the country. LGBT travelers may be affected by legislation passed recently in the states of North Carolina and Mississippi. Before travelling please read our general travel advice for the LGBT community.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/british-officials-warn-travelers-about-anti-lgbt-laws-the-us?cid=sm_fb_maddow

USA giving the worst possible example as the dominant planetary empire.

Thanks, Repugs



The LGBT Brits must be so heart broken they won't be able to take a piss where they want in two states they'd never visit.

[Blake]

i'm not dancing. i have never even implied the opinion that it's a choice. you're just trying to build a nice big strawman so you can slay it and feel good about yourself

Yeah, saying it's subjective is implying choice, but ok, whatever.
Will leave it there until you're ready to answer and move to the next point.

[Blake]

Wait...you think all transgenders look like the sex they identify with? :lolsmh

Of course not. But I posted a picture of one that looks really manly but forced to use the womens restroom because of your discomfort. So there's that.

[Big Dog]

Just have unisex restrooms already. Fuck people complain and whine about trivial shit. There are more things going on in the country and in the world to be focused on issues like this.

:lol At the white knighting by our resident cuck sjw though, lolsmh spending hours on end on a fucking basketball forum arguing transgender politics and pimping a leftist agenda

[Blake]

This could be a very positive step to see titties on a daily basis. Now that a woman can just go in the men's bathroom because she identifies as a man can she also walk around with no shirt on because she identifies as a man? And if so what would stop women who identify as women but just want to go topless from going topless and just saying they identify as a man? Bring on the titties right Blake?


Please chime in Blake.

Fine with me. Does it make you uncomfortable?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259445&highlight=cities+topless

[TheSanityAnnex]

Fine with me. Does it make you uncomfortable?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259445&highlight=cities+topless

Why would something I said would be positive make me uncomfortable? I don't have kids and titties are titties. The outcome would be hilarious. Gay men offended, mothers offended for their children, Muslim men offended and not able to control themselves even more etc. The left will have pit its special snowflake groups against each other. Personally, I look forward to it.

[Blake]

Why would something I said would be positive make me uncomfortable? I don't have kids and titties are titties. The outcome would be hilarious. Gay men offended, mothers offended for their children, Muslim men offended and not able to control themselves even more etc. The left will have pit its special snowflake groups against each other. Personally, I look forward to it.

Not sure why gay men would be offended.

Breast feeding moms pop a tit all the time in public.

I could see uptight religious nuts being publicly outraged but secretly excited

[Spurminator]

Do you really think that private businesses are going to completely remodel their bathrooms and make them super nice and fancy for .3% of the population?

Who said it was to accommodate that percent of the population? And even if that was the case, they won't always be that small.

Also, yes I do think they will do that.

[Spurminator]

it's just a weird double standard that we have to accommodate trans people who feel weirded out, but non trans people who feel weirded are expected to "deal with it" or "get used to it"

It's not a double standard. If you don't want to use a bathroom with a transgender, you can wait. If they don't want to use the bathroom with your sex, they have to break the law or go home.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, saying it's subjective is implying choice, but ok, whatever.
Will leave it there until you're ready to answer and move to the next point.
lol... its not my fault you think subjective somehow meant choice

what exactly do you want me to answer? no, its not a choice. i've been quite clear about that this entire time, and if that's really what you needed clarification on, then i question your mental capacity

[spurraider21]

It's not a double standard. If you don't want to use a bathroom with a transgender, you can wait. If they don't want to use the bathroom with your sex, they have to break the law or go home.
this operates under the assumption that they were in there first

[Chinook]

lol... its not my fault you think subjective somehow meant choice

what exactly do you want me to answer? no, its not a choice. i've been quite clear about that this entire time, and if that's really what you needed clarification on, then i question your mental capacity

Subjective but not voluntary:

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And shit all qualia while we're at it.

[Chinook]

I think all the arguments against gender-neutral bathrooms are silly and rely on poor logic and scare tactics. But again, there's no point in us even having genders if people and flow between them with just a thought. Something has to give.

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der Kraut Hammer admits the Repug bathroom obsessed perversity is yet another bogus, fabricated "problem"

Charles Krauthammer unloads on Fox News colleagues for believing NC transgender bathroom law is a real issue

"Do we really have an epidemic of transgenders being evil in bathrooms across the country?" he asked

“I haven’t heard of a single case.”

If it has happened at all, Krauthammer continued, it is still a “very small problem at the edges of other problems having to do with gender identity that’s become national precisely because Republicans in North Carolina decided it was a problem.”

“It is not a major national problem, and it should have been left that way,” he concluded.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/22/watch_charles_krauthammer_unloads_on_fox_news_coll eagues_for_believing_nc_transgender_bathroom_law_i s_a_real_issue/

The bullshit masquerade is "gotta protect the women and girls" but if daddy or brother or cousin or anybody rapes the daughter, sister, cousin, the girl MUST not have an abortion and MUST carry the bastard to term. God loves rape babies.

[Blake]

lol... its not my fault you think subjective somehow meant choice

what exactly do you want me to answer? no, its not a choice. i've been quite clear about that this entire time, and if that's really what you needed clarification on, then i question your mental capacity

Here you called it a subjective identity


it's just a weird double standard that we have to accommodate trans people who feel weirded out, but non trans people who feel weirded are expected to "deal with it" or "get used to it"

i think its also a bit misguided to call this some big civil rights issue, as this has to do with somebody's subjective identity and not an objective trait like race, sex, etc

You separated it out from "objective" traits.

If you think you were clear on it not being a choice when you said "subjective identity", then lol.

If it's not a choice, then how is it not a civil rights issue on a moral level?

I think it's just a matter of time before the Civil Rights Act is amended to include gays and trans

[spurraider21]

lol... its not my fault you think subjective somehow meant choice

[Blake]

You separated it out from "objective" traits.

[DarrinS]

Interactive map -- trannies per 100k pop

https://www.graphiq.com/wlp/8XywaKuBqSN

[Spurminator]

LOL #BoycottTarget.

I didn't realize the Target restroom was such an essential part of the Target shopping experience. Seems like people should be more concerned about catching ebola in there than getting molested.

[mrsmaalox]

LOL #BoycottTarget.

I didn't realize the Target restroom was such an essential part of the Target shopping experience. Seems like people should be more concerned about catching ebola in there than getting molested.

Target survived the boycott after they banned open carry from their stores. These are the exact same people boycotting.....again :sleep

[SpursforSix]

Target survived the boycott after they banned open carry from their stores. These are the exact same people boycotting.....again :sleep

Would you be OK with gender neutral bathrooms only?

[spurraider21]

You separated it out from "objective" traits.
of course i did. because it's subjective.

that doesn't make it any less of a choice. i'm not sure if you are being purposely dense or not. you trying to equivocate subjectivity with choice is your problem, not mine.

[mrsmaalox]

Would you be OK with gender neutral bathrooms only?

Absolutely. I've traveled in Europe and Asia enough to know that most places only have gender neutral bathrooms. They are common in the finest marble and chrome hotels in Paris and Beijing. The only difference is there are no open urinals, just private stalls. I never saw anything in one but people washing their hands or fixing their hair. Which, coincidentally, is all I've ever seen in any women's only bathroom here; not one genital--ever!

[SpursforSix]

Absolutely. I've traveled in Europe and Asia enough to know that most places only have gender neutral bathrooms. They are common in the finest marble and chrome hotels in Paris and Beijing. The only difference is there are no open urinals, just private stalls. I never saw anything in one but people washing their hands or fixing their hair. Which, coincidentally, is all I've ever seen in any women's only bathroom here; not one genital--ever!

So you'd be OK letting a 12 year old girl go use the restroom at a park or sporting event at the same time as a convicted sex offender?

[Blake]

of course i did. because it's subjective.

that doesn't make it any less of a choice. i'm not sure if you are being purposely dense or not. you trying to equivocate subjectivity with choice is your problem, not mine.

What does "subjective identity" mean compared to "objective trait"

Subjective absolutely implies personal opinion vs objective fact. You even posted the definition. It's right there.

But fine you can "win". I want to move on since we agree that it's not a choice.

If it's not a choice for some people, then why wouldn't it be a civil rights issue, similar to sex and race?

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NBA threatens to cancel ASG

[spurraider21]

What does "subjective identity" mean compared to "objective trait"

Subjective absolutely implies personal opinion vs objective fact. You even posted the definition. It's right there.
you're right. subjective means not objective. bravo.

nowhere have i implied that it's a matter of choice


But fine you can "win". I want to move on since we agree that it's not a choice.
and we always have, i don't know why you said "oh so you're in the choice camp." it was pretty out of nowhere


If it's not a choice for some people, then why wouldn't it be a civil rights issue, similar to sex and race?
civil rights are a lot more complex than choice vs non-choice. eye color isn't a choice but people with blue eyes aren't a protected group

[Blake]

civil rights are a lot more complex than choice vs non-choice. eye color isn't a choice but people with blue eyes aren't a protected group

False, that would be a protected group.

Discrimination against eye color would be no different than skin color.

It's not that complex.

[spurraider21]

False, that would be a protected group.

Discrimination against eye color would be no different than skin color.

It's not that complex.
are they currently a protected group? i hadn't checked the constitution or civil rights acts amendments lately

[Blake]

are they currently a protected group? i hadn't checked the constitution or civil rights acts amendments lately

Color is a protected group. Always has been.

There's also the GINA of 2008

[spurraider21]

Color is a protected group. Always has been.

There's also the GINA of 2008
eye color is a protected group?