Bathroom Access For Transgender Student Sparks Debate

[Blake]

eye color is a protected group?

That's like asking if slanted eyes is a protected group.

Yes, they're protected. They fall under color or race, depending on the case

[Blake]

Honestly, if religion is a protected class, it's even less complex of an issue to include gays and trans

[spurraider21]

That's like asking if slanted eyes is a protected group.

Yes, they're protected. They fall under color or race, depending on the case
the correct answer is no. eye colors are not protected groups

[Blake]

the correct answer is no. eye colors are not protected groups

Lol color is absolutely protected. It's very clear.

It's just that nobody has ever discriminated because of eye color, you think it's not protected, I guess.

[spurraider21]

Lol color is absolutely protected. It's very clear.

It's just that nobody has ever discriminated because of eye color, you think it's not protected, I guess.
no

federally protected classes include race/color, sex, age, national origin, citizenship, pregnancy, familial status, disability, veterans. genetic information as you mentioned is typically limited to health coverage and employment

[mingus]

Absolutely. I've traveled in Europe and Asia enough to know that most places only have gender neutral bathrooms. They are common in the finest marble and chrome hotels in Paris and Beijing. The only difference is there are no open urinals, just private stalls. I never saw anything in one but people washing their hands or fixing their hair. Which, coincidentally, is all I've ever seen in any women's only bathroom here; not one genital--ever!

What do you mean by "traveled in Europe & Asia enough"?

I'm guessing you hit up all the tourist-friendly/higher class spots.

What about the shady areas? Or night clubs? What about making a piss-stop at night in the middle of nowhere? You didn't LIVE in Asia or Europe--you travelled there.

If I had an eighteen year-old daughter who wanted to go to a club just to have a good time, and was forced to use a bathroom with rude, drunk-infested men/boys because of this stupid shit, I'd be extremely weary. I'd wager her chances of getting harassed, or even worse, "Roethbergered", would go up by quite a bit. Is it really worth it?

[russellgoat]

Would you be OK with gender neutral bathrooms only?


mrsmaalox hanging vagina looks like a penis, so she doesn't have any problem going to the men's bathroom.

[mingus]

Here's a test.

On a Friday-Saturday night, ~2 am-ish in a bad/seedy area, your teenage daughter needs to use the restroom. The nearest restroom is in the 24-hour Walmart.

You're not worried at least a little more letting her run in to use the (gender-neutral) bathroom?

It sounds like a potentially bad situation to me.

Fuck your tourism thoughout the world. It doesn't mean jack. I grew up in a ghetto/barrio, and I can guarantee there ain't many girls that live in a bad area that would be down with being forced to share a bathroom with men.

Target ain't a 24-hour business.

I'm not really worried about busy places that close early. Your average store/place--Best Buy, B&N, the mall, Bed Bath & Beyond etc.--don't really have to worry. Nobody's getting raped, assaulted or harassed at BB&B...

But for the woman who works 2nd or 3rd shift, and makes a late night stop at 24-hour store--a gas station, Walmart, McDonalds--especially in a bad part of town, yeah I worry for them. Or for High School/college age girls who go out & stay out late on the weekend.

You'd have to be the biggest liberal Koolaid drinker ever not to think having gender-neutral bathrooms ups their chances of getting sexually assaulted, sexually harassed, or raped.

[mrsmaalox]

18 states in this country have state wide (this includes good areas, bad areas, day time and night time) non-discrimination laws that cover sexual orientation AND gender identity . So yea, transgenders (and straight people) are already legally using whatever bathroom they feel like using. If someone here can show me the statistics of all the bathroom sexual assaults, harrassment and rapes that are being committed on innocent, vulnerable women and children in those states, then I will gladly join in on the concerned sweating and hand wringing, because then I will know that a "Ladies Only" sign on a door will keep the sexual predators out. In the meantime I'll be more concerned about homophobic assholes assaulting/murdering innocent, vulnerable transgendered citizens every single day and about women and children being sexually assaulted in their own homes----statistics that are easily confirmed (yes, even homophobes can use Google).

[SpursforSix]

18 states in this country have state wide (this includes good areas, bad areas, day time and night time) non-discrimination laws that cover sexual orientation AND gender identity . So yea, transgenders (and straight people) are already legally using whatever bathroom they feel like using. If someone here can show me the statistics of all the bathroom sexual assaults, harrassment and rapes that are being committed on innocent, vulnerable women and children in those states, then I will gladly join in on the concerned sweating and hand wringing, because then I will know that a "Ladies Only" sign on a door will keep the sexual predators out. In the meantime I'll be more concerned about homophobic assholes assaulting/murdering innocent, vulnerable transgendered citizens every single day and about women and children being sexually assaulted in their own homes----statistics that are easily confirmed (yes, even homophobes can use Google).

Wait...you're saying someone concerned about the safety of their kids in a gender neutral bathroom categorically a homophobe? Much of the discussion above has nothing to do with someone being gay or not. Just a concern about creating situations of opportunity for potential sex predators or creating dangerous scenarios for younger girls. Not from the homosexual.

[mrsmaalox]

Wait...you're saying someone concerned about the safety of their kids in a gender neutral bathroom categorically a homophobe? Much of the discussion above has nothing to do with someone being gay or not. Just a concern about creating situations of opportunity for potential sex predators or creating dangerous scenarios for younger girls. Not from the homosexual.No Im not saying that. It is my personal belief that the bathroom laws are based in homophobia and that homophobes use the safety of women and children as an excuse to whip up support from "concerned" citizens. Situations of opportunity exist everywhere, and when there is proof that a Ladies Only sign on a bathroom door protects women and children from sexual assault, I will advocate for those signs/rules on schools, churches, malls, streets and homes---not just bathrooms.

[rmt]

Maybe we should have a poll on who has daughters/little kids/wives vs none and their opinion on this topic.

[Winehole23]

a solution in search of a problem using paternalistic solicitude for women and children as a fig leaf for bigotry.

[Spurminator]

Your irrational fear on behalf of your children doesn't make your opinion more valid. People's rights shouldn't be determined by your arbitrary standard of protection for your kids.

[Blake]

no

federally protected classes include race/color, sex, age, national origin, citizenship, pregnancy, familial status, disability, veterans. genetic information as you mentioned is typically limited to health coverage and employment

Right, color is protected.

This isn't complex.

[spurraider21]

Right, color is protected.

This isn't complex.
wow. do you seriously think that is referencing eye color?

[Blake]

wow. do you seriously think that is referencing eye color?

It's referencing color. It includes eye color.

Not sure why you think eye color doesn't count the same as skin color. It's not that complex.

[Blake]

If I had an eighteen year-old daughter who wanted to go to a club just to have a good time, and was forced to use a bathroom with rude, drunk-infested men/boys because of this stupid shit, I'd be extremely weary. I'd wager her chances of getting harassed, or even worse, "Roethbergered", would go up by quite a bit. Is it really worth it?

So you're not worried about the night club full of drunk infested men, just the bathroom in it.

[spurraider21]

It's referencing color. It includes eye color.

Not sure why you think eye color doesn't count the same as skin color. It's not that complex.
:lmao

[Blake]

:lmao

:lmao :lmao

[mingus]

18 states in this country have state wide (this includes good areas, bad areas, day time and night time) non-discrimination laws that cover sexual orientation AND gender identity . So yea, transgenders (and straight people) are already legally using whatever bathroom they feel like using. If someone here can show me the statistics of all the bathroom sexual assaults, harrassment and rapes that are being committed on innocent, vulnerable women and children in those states, then I will gladly join in on the concerned sweating and hand wringing, because then I will know that a "Ladies Only" sign on a door will keep the sexual predators out. In the meantime I'll be more concerned about homophobic assholes assaulting/murdering innocent, vulnerable transgendered citizens every single day and about women and children being sexually assaulted in their own homes----statistics that are easily confirmed (yes, even homophobes can use Google).

There are a couple things worthy of consideration here, and as you're a woman I'm shocked you don't seem gaf about them. Such is the power of your blind loyalty to ideological purity & political correctness.

The first thing is, it's estimated that about 70% of such cases go unreported. It's also estimated that the rates are significantly higher in rural & urban areas. I've read anywhere from 20% higher to 3 times higher.

I was not able to find statistics specific to certain locations/business or time of rape as they relate to gender-neutral bathrooms in "at-risk" public areas. I suspect it's because it's a pretty hard thing to research adequately in and of itself logistically speaking, nevermind the fact of underreporting of rape, assault & harassment, especially among the poor.

Second, 9/10 victims are female. Females are risking waaaay more with gender-neutral bathrooms than males. Open up your bathroom to males, and common sense tells you what is likely to happen.

Finally, this has nothing to do with transgenders. I'm not worried about transgenders committing rape. Firstly, there's just not enough of them to warrant fear of that. Secondly, even if they were, I believe transgenders to be good people by & large.

I'm worried straight men being able to use these bathrooms. Specifically, uneducated, immature, drugged up/drunk, socio-economically disadvantaged men/boys in bad areas. I'm not talking about the bathrooms at the Louvre or Sistine Chapel, or whatever other tourist spot you've hit up in your extensive travels throughout the world. The fact that you'd bring that up as evidence that it's a great idea is laughably naive & ignorant.

There's risk-reward in everything. What exactly is the reward in letting/forcing men & women to piss, shit & shower in the same space? What exactly do we gain by doing this? All I see is risk for higher harassment, assault, rape, voyerism etc. It's pointless, stupid, PC, gender-equality bullshit.

[Blake]

I'm worried straight men being able to use these bathrooms. Specifically, uneducated, immature, drugged up/drunk, socio-economically disadvantaged men/boys in bad areas. I'm not talking about the bathrooms at the Louvre or Sistine Chapel, or whatever other tourist spot you've hit up in your extensive travels throughout the world. The fact that you'd bring that up as evidence that it's a great idea is laughably naive & ignorant.

There's risk-reward in everything. What exactly is the reward in letting/forcing men & women to piss, shit & shower in the same space? What exactly do we gain by doing this? All I see is risk for higher harassment, assault, rape, voyerism etc. It's pointless, stupid, PC, gender-equality bullshit.

What do you think keeps the bad guys out of women bathrooms right now? A picture of a woman on a door?

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

What do you think keeps the bad guys out of women bathrooms right now? A picture of a woman on a door?

Nothing, but trans laws give them a get out of jail free card to be in there

[Blake]

Nothing, but trans laws give them a get out of jail free card to be in there

Who do you know that's gone to jail for being in the wrong bathroom?

[mingus]

What do you think keeps the bad guys out of women bathrooms right now? A picture of a woman on a door?

Do you think every case of sexual harassment, sexual assault, rape, voyerism etc. is premeditated?

[Blake]

Do you think every case of sexual harassment, sexual assault, rape, voyerism etc. is premeditated?

No. You're reaching tho.

In a night club full of people, which means a bathroom full of people of all genders, when do you expect the perp to make a move?

[mingus]

No. You're reaching tho.

In a night club full of people, which means a bathroom full of people of all genders, when do you expect the perp to make a move?

Are we just talking about full bars/pubs/clubs?

Are those the ridiculously restrictive parameters of your argument?

[ploto]

I am so grateful that there are so many men wanting to protect me while I pee at Target! Now if you only cared about protecting women elsewhere, especially in their own homes.

[SpursforSix]

I am so grateful that there are so many men wanting to protect me while I pee at Target! Now if you only cared about protecting women elsewhere, especially in their own homes.

Your sarcasm is duly noted. But much if not most of the concern is for girls and young women that are more vulnerable and not as wary as middle aged women.

[mingus]

Your sarcasm is duly noted. But much if not most of the concern is for girls and young women that are more vulnerable and not as wary as middle aged women.

Precisely.

I think gender-neutral bathrooms works in some locations. Whether that be a part of a city or place of business. As such, I think it's something that can/should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, if it should even come to that--and I say this because I really don't see the point in having gender-neutral bathrooms at all. What exactly does it achieve?

And just for the record, I think that if you are transgender you should be allowed to use whichever bathroom of the gender you identify with. Why? Because we wouldn't be increasing the likelihood that men will dress up as women to use the women's bathroom--it's just as easy for men to do that now.

[mingus]

No Im not saying that. It is my personal belief that the bathroom laws are based in homophobia and that homophobes use the safety of women and children as an excuse to whip up support from "concerned" citizens. Situations of opportunity exist everywhere, and when there is proof that a Ladies Only sign on a bathroom door protects women and children from sexual assault, I will advocate for those signs/rules on schools, churches, malls, streets and homes---not just bathrooms.


So, you're basically saying either we do everything together or we become like Iran or Saudi Arabia, where men & women can't do much at all together? That, IOW, a logical extension of gender-based bathrooms, is gender based everything?

You are fucking retarded if this is the case. I rarely call anyone names, but ma'am if this is what you believe you are fucking dumb.

[Blake]

Are we just talking about full bars/pubs/clubs?

Are those the ridiculously restrictive parameters of your argument?

Says dude bringing up bathrooms in questionable euro bars and ones here where there are poor, stupid, ignorant dudes in bad areas of town........and non-premeditated, impulse style.

Lol, you're reaching.

[mingus]

Says dude bringing up bathrooms in questionable euro bars and ones here where there are poor, stupid, ignorant dudes in bad areas of town........and non-premeditated, impulse style.

Lol, you're reaching.

Man, oh man...

How can you possibly have a good, honest debate about the validity of gender-neutral bathrooms if you don't talk about what their implications may be in socio-economically disadvantaged areas--arguably, and most probably, the areas that are most at-risk? I wasn't restricting shit, I was broadening it. It was laughably, fantastically simplistic in scope before, where men, women & children could shower, piss and shit together without aaaany worry.

And it all made perfect sense to you.

Because in your head, these people were perfect people: they were middle-upper class, educated, sober, emotionally & psychologically stable, and probably white. You know, the kinds of people you'd probably see all throughout Europe & Asia in areas that cater to tourists.

All YOU did was tell that I'm "reaching". Reaching on what? Crowded and presumably more tightly secured night clubs having less incidents of rape? No shit, Sherlock. YOU created those parameters specifically to discredit my entire perspective. You're dishonest.

Ya gotta anything more than this "your reaching" gimmick, or what. You're boring the fuck out me.

[Blake]

Man, oh man...

How can you possibly have a good, honest debate about the validity of gender-neutral bathrooms if you don't talk about what their implications may be in socio-economically disadvantaged areas--arguably, and most probably, the areas that are most at-risk?

I don't buy the at-risk you're trying to sell.

The rest of that was boring-looking tldr

[mrsmaalox]

I don't buy the at-risk you're trying to sell.

The rest of that was boring-looking tldr

But poor people are sooo scary!!

[mingus]

But poor people are sooo scary!!

You're neck high in your own bullshit.

You can twist & distort what I've said all you want if it makes you feel any better, but the
undeniable reality is, in your extensive touristic travels throughout Asia & Europe, you probably never stepped foot in a socio-economically disadvantaged area.

Get off your damn high horse, write a tourist guide or something.

[boutons_deux]

Bible humpers, Christian haters always love in their dicklessnes to imagine targets that they'll shoot

Anti-LGBT Lawyer 'Taking A Glock .45 To The Ladies Room' To Defend Against Trans Women

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/anti-lgbt-lawyer-taking-glock-45-ladies-room-defend-against-trans-women

[Blake]

You're neck high in your own bullshit.

You can twist & distort what I've said all you want if it makes you feel any better, but the
undeniable reality is, in your extensive touristic travels throughout Asia & Europe, you probably never stepped foot in a socio-economically disadvantaged area.

Get off your damn high horse, write a tourist guide or something.

Your soapbox is boring without anything to back your rant up with

[SpursforSix]

Your soapbox is boring without anything to back your rant up with

"Soapbox"...lol. with all of you retards, the soapbox is fully occupied.

[mingus]

Btw, I deeply regret calling you names, Maalox, and I sincerely apologize for that. If I'm honest, I struggle with keeping my emotions in check/impulse control. I've subjected many--too many--others to it, and lost friends & family over it. I've made strides, but there's still a lot of work yet to be done.

We simply don't see eye-to-eye here, and I'll move on.

Cheers & enjoy your day.

[Blake]

"Soapbox"...lol. with all of you retards, the soapbox is fully occupied.

I back up my soap box rants, tbh. If you find them boring or retarded, I really don't give a shit.

I might passingly wonder why you're here posting your opinions here, but that's about it

[SpursforSix]

I back up my soap box rants, tbh. If you find them boring or retarded, I really don't give a shit.

It's just retarded that anyone with a different opinion than yours must be loony or on a "soapbox".

[mrsmaalox]

You're neck high in your own bullshit.

You can twist & distort what I've said all you want if it makes you feel any better, but the
undeniable reality is, in your extensive touristic travels throughout Asia & Europe, you probably never stepped foot in a socio-economically disadvantaged area.

Get off your damn high horse, write a tourist guide or something.

No you are the one doing the distorting. You've chosen to go on and on and judge me/my opinions because i mentioned marble and chrome in bathrooms. Then you proceed to lecture me about the dangers you perceive in bathrooms in socio-economically challenged areas?! So which one of us is the snob on their high horse? Just because I only shared a minute part of my travels doesn't mean that's all i did, but apparently you know better. I've pissed in plenty of drain in the middle of the floor "facilities" and you know what? I wasn't scared there either but you sure have given many reasons why i should have been.

[mrsmaalox]

Btw, I deeply regret calling you names, Maalox, and I sincerely apologize for that. If I'm honest, I struggle with keeping my emotions in check/impulse control. I've subjected many--too many--others to it, and lost friends & family over it. I've made strides, but there's still a lot of work yet to be done.

We simply don't see eye-to-eye here, and I'll move on.

Cheers & enjoy your day.

:toast

[Blake]

It's just retarded that anyone with a different opinion than yours must be loony or on a "soapbox".

Yeah, I didn't call him loony for having a different opinion. I don't think I even called him loony here.

And he must be on a "soapbox" because he's on one.

If your retarded ass doesn't understand what a soapbox is, that's on your retarded ass

[Blake]

*I've pissed in plenty of drain in the middle of the floor "facilities"

Lolwut

[MultiTroll]

Target.
500K signatures to boycott.
The petition started by the American Family Association on Wednesday raises concerns that Target's inclusive stance on transgender rights encourages sexual predators and puts women and young girls in danger, because "a man can simply say he 'feels like a woman today' and enter the women's restroom."
The boycott has more than 503,000 signatures as of Monday morning, marking it as one of AFA's most popular campaigns.

If already posted oh well. I'm not sorting thru the pissing matches.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-500000-boycott-target-over-transgender-bathroom-policy/ar-BBseMUK?ocid=spartanntp

[Blake]

Target.
500K signatures to boycott.
The petition started by the American Family Association on Wednesday raises concerns that Target's inclusive stance on transgender rights encourages sexual predators and puts women and young girls in danger, because "a man can simply say he 'feels like a woman today' and enter the women's restroom."
The boycott has more than 503,000 signatures as of Monday morning, marking it as one of AFA's most popular campaigns.

If already posted oh well. I'm not sorting thru the pissing matches.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-500000-boycott-target-over-transgender-bathroom-policy/ar-BBseMUK?ocid=spartanntp

Lol American family association.

Hey look what you can buy from their website!

http://afastore.net/content/images/thumbs/0000472_whats-in-the-bible-volumes-1-and-10-dvd_550.png

http://afastore.net/what-s-in-the-bible-volumes-1-and-10-dvd/?utm_source=afa.net&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=storefeed

[Blake]

I bet they left this out:

http://www.ingeniouspress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/christians-she-bears.jpg

[mrsmaalox]

Lolwut

Most of the older, poorer places use these https://michaelinmadrid.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/stalls-4.png. That's a pic of a pretty nice one :lol Just put your feet on those little foot ridges and squat over the drain. In public restrooms there will be a line of those against one wall, each separated by a half wall. It cracked me up when Mingus was snarking about fancy shmancy touristy places because it made me think of the absolute worst bathroom I have ever been in----it was just a room (closet) with a drain and a lightbulb on a wire hanging over it. There weren't any foot ridges, just little worn out spots on the tile. That was the coffee shop in the courtyard of the Louvre :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://m.torontosun.com/2014/02/26/predator-who-claimed-to-be-transgender-declared-dangerous-offender

Never happens huh

[DarrinS]

Just let whatever freak use the bathroom of his/her/its choice. Just reinforces my rule -- don't use public bathrooms.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Most of the older, poorer places use these https://michaelinmadrid.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/stalls-4.png. That's a pic of a pretty nice one :lol Just put your feet on those little foot ridges and squat over the drain. In public restrooms there will be a line of those against one wall, each separated by a half wall. It cracked me up when Mingus was snarking about fancy shmancy touristy places because it made me think of the absolute worst bathroom I have ever been in----it was just a room (closet) with a drain and a lightbulb on a wire hanging over it. There weren't any foot ridges, just little worn out spots on the tile. That was the coffee shop in the courtyard of the Louvre :lol

Have you ever used a DESIGNATED shitting street or shitting beach like they have in India?

http://i.imgur.com/Wf8qxwi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zDCTHHy.png

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Just let whatever freak use the bathroom of his/her/its choice. Just reinforces my rule -- don't use public bathrooms.

Lockerooms and showers too right? Because they truly are women in their own minds even though they are trapped in a man's body

[Blake]

http://m.torontosun.com/2014/02/26/predator-who-claimed-to-be-transgender-declared-dangerous-offender

Never happens huh

I didn't see the word bathroom/restroom in that article

[TheSanityAnnex]

I didn't see the word bathroom/restroom in that article
I didn't see you limiting your commentary to bathroom/restroom in this thread.

[Blake]

I didn't see you limiting your commentary to bathroom/restroom in this thread.

So your post has nothing to do with bathrooms.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So your post has nothing to do with bathrooms.
No it does not. Have all of your posts in this thread had to do with bathrooms?

[TheSanityAnnex]

As many as 40% of children who are sexually abused are abused by older, or more powerfulchildren




http://www.d2l.org/atf/cf/%7B64AF78C4-5EB8-45AA-BC28-F7EE2B581919%7D/all_statistics_20150619.pdf

this number will definitely not go up when children young and old of both sexes are forced to use the same bathroom

[Blake]

No it does not. Have all of your posts in this thread had to do with bathrooms?

No, but what does that have to do with your post

[DMX7]

USA TODAY: More than 500,000 boycott Target over transgender bathroom policy

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/498f7b69530bbb47fc83707e20df3940f7515fa9/c=50-0-4261-3166&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/04/25/USATODAY/USATODAY/635971759044779867-AP-Target-Settlement.jpg


A conservative Christian activist group has gained more than half a million signatures and counting from people pledging to boycott Target over its transgender bathroom policy.

The petition started by the American Family Association on Wednesday raises concerns that Target's inclusive stance on transgender rights encourages sexual predators and puts women and young girls in danger, because "a man can simply say he 'feels like a woman today' and enter the women's restroom."

The boycott has more than 517,000 signatures as of Monday afternoon, marking it as one of AFA's most popular campaigns.

"This is the best response we’ve ever had this quick," says AFA President Tim Wildmon, attributing the protest's viral nature to the fact that "everybody knows who Target is, and it’s an easy-to-understand issue."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/04/25/conservative-christian-group-boycotting-target-transgender-bathroom-policy/83491396/

[Blake]

North Carolina's Republican nominee for state attorney general urged a crowd to "keep our state straight," drawing criticism from the state's Democratic Party.

State Sen. Buck Newton made the remarks at a rally Monday in support of a state law that limits protections for the LGBT community. Newton shepherded the legislation known as "House Bill 2" through his chamber.

Video of the event shows him urging the crowd to "tell your friends and family who had to work today what this is all about and how hard we must fight to keep our state straight."

The North Carolina Democratic Party issued a statement calling the comments hateful and discriminatory toward lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. They called for Newton to apologize and for Republican Gov. Pat McCrory to denounce Newton's remarks.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-foes-north-carolina-lgbt-law-freed-jail-153730013.html?nhp=1

We have way too many stupid people running for office. And winning.

[Winehole23]

For better and for worse, in our system the winners rule

[Blake]

For better and for worse, in our system the winners rule

That's fine, I just wish we had smarter winners, smarter voters.

Most notabley in the south

[Shastafarian]

And so it begins. Now people need identification (maybe even their birth certificate :rollin) to use public restrooms. Seems like valuable use of police time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVuHAS2CtUM

[TheSanityAnnex]

And so it begins. Now people need identification (maybe even their birth certificate :rollin) to use public restrooms. Seems like valuable use of police time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVuHAS2CtUM
Thanks Kaitlyn!

[Shastafarian]

Thanks Kaitlyn!

Quality response to a very serious situation.

[Blake]

Thanks Kaitlyn!

Great use of tax dollar.

[DarrinS]

Quality response to a very serious situation.


Is it though?

[Blake]

Is it though?

It is to North Carolina. And to fear mongering Christian republicans.

Shouldn't be tho.

[Shastafarian]

Is it though?

You think it's not serious for an american citizen to be required to show ID to use a public restroom? And I agree with Blake. This SHOULDN'T be a serious issue but supposed conservatives are making it one. Look forward to them bitching and moaning when these laws are ruled unconstitutional.

[spurraider21]

Quality response to a very serious situation.
didnt stop you from having a :rollin in your initial post about it

[Shastafarian]

didnt stop you from having a :rollin in your initial post about it

Yeah rollin as in it's LAUGHABLE to be required to present a birth certificate to drop a deuce. Care to add any actual commentary to the video I posted? I notice your response was devoid of any substance on that matter.

[DarrinS]

lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg7Zw5EU8AEfC_x.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Texas Man Harasses A Woman Using The Women’s Restroom Because She Dresses ‘Like A Man’

On Thursday, Jessica Rush was at the Baylor Medical Center to get her two broken fingers examined. While she was waiting to be seen, she decided to use the restroom. As reported by theDallas Observer (http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/self-appointed-bathroom-cop-catches-dallas-woman-using-womens-restroom-8259104), this commonplace decision turned into a dramatic encounter when a man in the waiting room followed her to bathroom, believing she was a man.

Rush, a woman who identifies as a woman, was, in fact, headed to the women’s restroom. But because she has short hair and was dressed androgynously, the man felt that he must intervene. Rush captured the incident on camera.

“When I saw you enter I thought you was…” the man says.

“A boy?” Rush offers.

“Yeah, it was kind of confusing,” he said. “You dress like a man.”

In Kansas, a bill was proposed that would pay students $2,500 (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/03/22/3762490/kansas-transgender-ransom-bathrooms/) if they discovered they were using the bathroom with a transgender person.

Last week, a video surfaced of police forcibly removing (http://jezebel.com/police-refuse-to-believe-lesbian-is-a-woman-force-her-1773733431) a woman from the restroom because they didn’t believe that she was a woman.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/04/30/3774237/man-stops-woman-from-using-womens-bathroom/

American Puritanism, vigilantism is driving Americans crazy.

[boutons_deux]

Election-year divisions rock North Carolina’s GOP

Things could be better for North Carolina Republicans right now. After significant victories in 2012 and 2014, GOP policymakers are in a dominant position in the Tar Heel State, but as things stand, the right’s hold on North Carolina may not last much longer.

The debacle surrounding the anti-LGBT HB2 continues to haunt the Republicans who rushed the law through, and the consequences are likely to linger. Gov. Pat McCrory (R), who was apparently caught off guard by the entire controversy, continues to struggle (http://www.vox.com/2016/4/29/11536556/megyn-kelly-pat-mccrory-bathrooms) with the mess he helped create.

Voters have noticed. A conservative group released a statewide poll (http://wncn.com/2016/04/29/civitas-poll-mccrorys-approval-ratings-slump/) on Friday that found

McCrory losing his re-election bid to state Attorney General Roy Cooper (D) by 10 points, 46% to 36%.

And while Mitt Romney won North Carolina four years ago, this same poll (https://www.nccivitas.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CivitasNCPollApril2016.pdf) showed Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump in North Carolina by 12 points.

Sen. Richard Burr (R), meanwhile, is also seeking a second term this year, despite a low approval rating (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-could-make-life-hard-for-burr-in-nc.html)and a dwindling lead (http://wncn.com/2016/04/29/civitas-poll-mccrorys-approval-ratings-slump/) over his Democratic challenger.

Perhaps the state Republican Party can help calm the waters and get the GOP slate back on track? Not anytime soon they won’t: WRAL reported (http://www.wral.com/ncgop-removes-harnett-as-chairman/15674241/) over the weekend that the state party just fired its own chairman.


Members of the North Carolina Republican Party’s nearly 600-member :lol :lol member executive committee voted Saturday to remove Hasan Harnett as chairman, ending a months-long leadership struggle that focused GOP establishment on its own internal drama rather than campaigning against Democrats.

Executive Director Dallas Woodhouse made the announcement shortly after 5 p.m., saying that the proceedings had been “somber.” The committee found that Harnett was responsible for violating the party’s plan of organization and “gross inefficiency.”


If North Carolina Republicans are hoping this reduces some of the intra-party pressure, they may be disappointed.

As we discussed (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/north-carolina-gop-struggles-election-year-challenges) a month ago, party insiders didn’t want Harnett elected in the first place, but rank-and-file GOP activists ignored McCrory’s and Burr’s wishes. The conflicts arose soon after, escalating to the point (http://www.wsj.com/articles/republican-party-rift-in-north-carolina-mirrors-feud-at-national-level-1459111188) that

Republican officials barred Harnett from his own party headquarters in Raleigh, right around the time they shut down his official email account. :lol

I can’t say with any confidence whether Harnett’s ouster was fair, but the WRAL’s report noted that right-wing activists and North Carolina Tea Party leaders saw Harnett as one of their own, which means the weekend’s drama generated a fresh round of ill will.

Given that all of this is happening about six months before Election Day, the state GOP’s unraveling comes at a rather inconvenient time.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/election-year-divisions-rock-north-carolinas-gop?cid=sm_fb_maddow

DEE FUCKING LISHIUS :lol

I expect NC Repugs "turn up to 11" their tactics to disenfranchise for November.

[Winehole23]

lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg7Zw5EU8AEfC_x.jpgWhy do you laugh?

[MultiTroll]

The headlines say:
Man Accused of Spying on Little Girl in Public Bathroom, Charged with Child Porn

Cliffs.
a. The 10 year old girl says he was spying on him.
b. But he has now been charged with possession of child pornography, after investigators who examined his phone said that they found several nude photos of his 16-year-old girlfriend.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/04/26/pennsylvania-man-allegedly-spied-little-girl-public-bathroom-charged-child-porn

1. Agenda driven Faux News.
2. 16 year old. Really, this shit again?

Not sure if this was a Uni bathroom or if guy snuck in.

[boutons_deux]

North Carolina transgender law violates civil rights law: U.S.

The Department of Justice told North Carolina's governor on Wednesday that a new state law limiting restroom access for transgender people violates the U.S. Civil Rights Act.

In a letter to Republican Governor Pat McCrory that was seen by Reuters, the Justice Department said the state was "engaging in a pattern or practice of discrimination against transgender state employees," and it had until Monday to address the issue.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-north-carolina-lgbt-idUSKCN0XV2N8?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29

nearly $1B in Federal funding for NC schools in play.

Not that NC slave state Repugs GAF about schools or civil rights

[boutons_deux]

Alabama city abandons law targeting transgender bathroom use

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-alabama-lgbt-idUSKCN0XV2U4?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

[boutons_deux]

NC lawyers are really shitty lawyers, as ideology and religion require. And as lawyers, they'll do whatever they're paid to do (with no repercussions) Their suit against Feds is full of shit

North Carolina Sues the Federal Government, Insists Anti-LGBTQ Law Is Legal

North Carolina first insists that Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964—which bars sex discrimination in employment—does not afford any protections to trans people.

It labels the DOJ’s claim to the contrary a “radical reinterpretation” that would prevent the state from implementing a “common sense privacy policy” to protect “the bodily privacy rights of state employees.” This “baseless and blatant overreach,” the state declares, is “an attempt to unilaterally rewrite long-established federal civil rights laws.”

Some of this is erroneous; some of it is mendacious. Let’s separate the two.

First, the DOJ’s claim—that gender identity discrimination is encompassed in a ban on sex discrimination—is only a “radical reinterpretation” of Title VII if you ignore Price Waterhouse v. Hopkins (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/490/228/case.html), a Supreme Court decision from 1989. Price Waterhouseinvolved an employment discrimination lawsuit by a butch, masculine female employee. The court allowed her suit to move forward under Title VII, reasoning that “sex discrimination” encompassed “sex stereotyping” and “sex-based considerations.” From this point onward, courts have generally followed Price Waterhouse’s command that “sex-linked evaluations” regarding masculinity, femininity, and adherence to gender roles are invalid under Title VII.

Oddly enough, the North Carolina lawsuit doesn’t even mention Price Waterhouse. It does list a series of decisions—many from the pre-Price Waterhouse era—rejecting Title VII suits on the basis of gender identity discrimination. But it is misleading (at best) to include these cases without also noting the many judicial determinations that arrived at an opposite conclusion. For instance, the state’s complaint mysteriously omits Glenn v. Brumby, a 2011 decision by the 11th Circuit concluding that “discrimination against a transgender individual because of her gender-nonconformity is sex discrimination.” It elides a federal district court’s ruling that anti-trans discrimination is “literally” sex discrimination. It ignores a conclusion (https://www.eeoc.gov/decisions/0120120821%20Macy%20v%20DOJ%20ATF.txt) by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission—the federal agency tasked with interpreting Title VII—that sex discrimination encompasses anti-trans discrimination.

We could keep going, but you get the idea. The notion that an interpretation of Title VII mandated by federal courts and the EEOC constitutes a “radical reinterpretation” of federal civil rights law is extraordinarily disingenuous. But what’s worse is that North Carolina fails to mention a ruling by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals from April 19 explicitly agreeing (http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/04/19/sex_discrimination_is_trans_discrimination_4th_cir cuit_holds_in_bathroom.html) that “sex discrimination” may be read to encompass discrimination on the basis of gender identity. The Fourth Circuit’s decision involved a different federal law—one curiously unmentioned in Monday’s complaint—but hinged on virtually identical language about “discrimination because of sex.” North Carolina’s complaint does not even attempt to explain how the state plans to get around this ruling.

The complaint’s second charge is, somehow, far sillier. In its notice, the DOJ drew attention to the fact that the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act (VAWA)explicitly bars (https://www.justice.gov/ovw/blog/vawa-2013-nondiscrimination-provision-making-programs-accessible-all-victims-domestic) gender identity discrimination. North Carolina’s decision to explicitlylegalize gender identity discrimination would seem to jeopardize about $5 million (http://wncn.com/2016/05/06/federal-threat-on-hb2-raises-concerns-about-education-funding-for-nc/) in federal grants authorized to the state by VAWA.

Make no mistake: This move is a Hail Mary, and it is destined to failure. The only question now is how much longer North Carolina will continue its doomed attempt to relegate trans people to second-class citizenship.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/05/09/north_carolina_sues_justice_department_to_save_hb2 .html

[boutons_deux]

North Carolina Republicans pressure lobbyists over HB2


WRAL in Raleigh, N.C., reported (http://www.wral.com/lobbyists-lawmakers-seek-to-quiet-hb2-opponents/15698344/) last night on an unexpected twist in the fight over the state’s controversial new anti-LGBT law.


While Republican state leaders have complained about being “bullied” by the federal government over House Bill 2, lobbyists in Raleigh tell WRAL News they and the businesses they represent are being bullied by state lawmakers seeking to silence business opposition to the new law.

Lobbyists say they’ve been told – either directly by legislative leaders or by lawmakers’ staff – that, if they or the businesses they represent speak out publicly against House Bill 2, they can expect retribution from House and Senate leaders.

Legislation they want won’t move, and other bills could actually target them.


One longtime lobbyist told WRAL that the pressure from elected officials is a “gross abuse of power,” while another veteran lobbyist added, “I’ve never seen anything like it.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/north-carolina-republicans-pressure-lobbyists-over-hb2?cid=sm_fb_maddow

Repug Taliban telling business lobbyists:

"We gonna keep doing Christian Sharia in NC, so STFU. Christ told us to fuck up NC, we don't care about businesses losing business"

[boutons_deux]

Pat McCrory: Congress should ‘revisit the 1964 Civil Rights Act’ to allow segregated bathrooms
In fact, McCrory suggested that Congress should take a look at gutting the entire Civil Rights Act over the issue.

“I think there’s a time where the Republicans and the Democrats in this Congress need to revisit the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and revisit all this issue,” the first-term governor opined.

“Because these are complex issues and North Carolina for whatever reason politically has become the target by the left on this agenda.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/pat-mccrory-congress-should-revisit-the-1964-civil-rights-act-to-allow-segregated-bathrooms/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Once a slave state, ALWAYS as slave state. Confederate crackas don't wanna sit on the same toilet seat as knitters.

[boutons_deux]

Abbot STANDING strong for Christian Sharia hate

Texas Guv Ready To 'Fight Back' For North Carolina Anti-LGBT Bill

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) on Thursday said that he will support North Carolina in its legal battle with the federal government over the controversial new anti-LGBT law.

"I am working with the governor of North Carolina, and we are going to fight back," Abbott said (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/Gov-Greg-Abbott-Lt-Gov-Dan-Patrick-to-Speak-at-GOP-Convention-in-Dallas-379193041.html) during his speech at the Texas Republican Convention.

He lamented (http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Abbott-explains-Trump-support-enters-bathroom-7464555.php) that "Obama is turning bathrooms into courtroom issues."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/greg-abbott-hb2-fight-back?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[Spurminator]

6 straight posts with no response and over a week since anyone else posted anything.

This thread has been boutons'd. RIP.

[boutons_deux]

6 straight posts with no response and over a week since anyone else posted anything.

This thread has been boutons'd. RIP.

The Great Boutons doesn't need responses to this posts. They are self validating. G F Y

[TheSanityAnnex]

With the directive sent out from the Justice Department to all public schools instructing them to allow transgenders to whichever bathrooms they want how far is "identify" going to be pushed. Can and adult identify as a child?

https://i.imgur.com/OAgzggh.png
"excuse me sir did you know she was only 14?"

"it's okay Chris, I identify as a 15 year old"

http://www.danthatscool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ChrisHansen-1.jpg

[DisAsTerBot]

so scared

[spurraider21]

With the directive sent out from the Justice Department to all public schools instructing them to allow transgenders to whichever bathrooms they want how far is "identify" going to be pushed. Can and adult identify as a child?

https://i.imgur.com/OAgzggh.png
"excuse me sir did you know she was only 14?"

"it's okay Chris, I identify as a 15 year old"

http://www.danthatscool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ChrisHansen-1.jpg
This is akin to "what if somebody wants to marry their dog" as a counterpoint to gay marriage

[TheSanityAnnex]

This is akin to "what if somebody wants to marry their dog" as a counterpoint to gay marriage

This is about choosing identity, not fucking your dog.

If I don't have to identify with the gender on my birth certificate, why do I have to identify with the age on my birth certificate?

[spurraider21]

This is about choosing identity, not fucking your dog.

If I don't have to identify with the gender on my birth certificate, why do I have to identify with the age on my birth certificate?
i know its not exactly the same thing. it's why i said "akin to." its still just a slipper slope argument, though.

do you recognize the difference between gender and sex?

[TheSanityAnnex]

i know its not exactly the same thing. it's why i said "akin to." its still just a slipper slope argument, though.

do you recognize the difference between gender and sex?
Yes.
Why can you accept a choice of gender identity and not a choice of age identity?

[spurraider21]

Yes.
Why can you accept a choice of gender identity and not a choice of age identity?
a) bad wording, its not a choice

b) because gender is subjective and age is objective

[TheSanityAnnex]

a) bad wording, its not a choice

b) because gender is subjective and age is objective
It sure the fuck is a choice now. I can choose to identify with any gender I want and use any bathroom freely. No one can tell me what gender I identify with, and no one can prove I am not identifying with the gender I claim.
Age identity is also subjective, ever heard the term old soul :lol

[spurraider21]

It sure the fuck is a choice now. I can choose to identify with any gender I want and use any bathroom freely. No one can tell me what gender I identify with, and no one can prove I am not identifying with the gender I claim.
Age identity is also subjective, ever heard the term old soul :lol
you could lie and "say" you identify is a woman. that doesn't mean you actually do.

you could also come on here tomorrow and say you've decided to become gay and enjoy sucking cocks. i dont think it would be true though

[KingsFanWithoutName]

you could lie and "say" you identify is a woman. that doesn't mean you actually do.

you could also come on here tomorrow and say you've decided to become gay and enjoy sucking cocks. i dont think it would be true though

Of course it doesn't mean I actually do, but you can't prove I'm lying and I can access a women's bathroom any time I want. Take advantage man, these are good times. I wish I was back in high school I'd have a field day.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

:lol whoops but this one is no secret so no biggie.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Of course it doesn't mean I actually do, but you can't prove I'm lying and I can access a women's bathroom any time I want. Take advantage man, these are good times. I wish I was back in high school I'd have a field day.http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/f7FdEdG_zpsg0jbbxxy.jpg

[spurraider21]

at least you now realize that its not the same as "age identity" or whatever that was you were suggesting

[Spurminator]

Of course it doesn't mean I actually do, but you can't prove I'm lying and I can access a women's bathroom any time I want. Take advantage man, these are good times. I wish I was back in high school I'd have a field day.

You woulda been a total hit with the ladies.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You woulda been a total hit with the ladies.http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/f7FdEdG_zpsg0jbbxxy.jpg

[TheSanityAnnex]

at least you now realize that its not the same as "age identity" or whatever that was you were suggesting
Age identity is very real, please don't insult those who live with it by putting the term in quotations, totally disrespectful.

http://midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/798.pdf

[spurraider21]

Age identity is very real, please don't insult those who live with it by putting the term in quotations, totally disrespectful.

http://midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/798.pdf
age is objective. it is traced to the date you are born.
sex is objective. it is based on what's in between your thighs.

gender is not objective in the same way age or sex are


an 8 year old cant walk into a market and say i feel like i'm 40, give me a fuckin beer. if you agree that it's ridiculous, then don't feign support for it in an attempt to be cheeky

[TheSanityAnnex]

age is objective. it is traced to the date you are born.
sex is objective. it is based on what's in between your thighs.

gender is not objective in the same way age or sex are


an 8 year old cant walk into a market and say i feel like i'm 40, give me a fuckin beer. if you agree that it's ridiculous, then don't feign support for it in an attempt to be cheeky
Age identity is subjective. I suggest reading the link I provided.

[TheSanityAnnex]

an 8 year old cant walk into a market and say i feel like i'm 40, give me a fuckin beer. if you agree that it's ridiculous, then don't feign support for it in an attempt to be cheeky
A few years ago a 40 year old man couldn't walk into a women's locker room and say I feel like a woman I'm going to change in here.

[rmt]

This is the world we live in now - where men identify as women and vice versa and where whites can identify as black or American Indian to suit themselves. I'd like to know who these parents are who allow 5 year olds to identify as another sex. Do they seriously think a child that age knows anything? At that age, my kids were cutting off their bangs and asking if he had to marry the flower girl (who he accompanied down the aisle as ring bearer). Hopefully they don't let them do anything permanent before they come to their senses.

[spurraider21]

A few years ago a 40 year old man couldn't walk into a women's locker room and say I feel like a woman I'm going to change in here.
were there any states with laws like that 40 years ago?

[Spurminator]

where whites can identify as black or American Indian to suit themselves.

No they can't.

[spurraider21]

No they can't.
shaun king tho

[CosmicCowboy]

were there any states with laws like that 40 years ago?

Didn't really need one. He would have gotten an old fashioned ass whippin and the police wouldn't have done anything.

[TheSanityAnnex]

shaun king tho
First thought as well :lol along with former white NAACP leader Rachel Dolezal. Did you happen to read the link I provided detailing age identity?

[TheSanityAnnex]

CHt7EBCgJnI

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Given our local dipshits backlash over King etc I find their position untenable. That NAACP women was forced to resign.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Given our local dipshits backlash over King etc I find their position untenable. That NAACP women was forced to resign.
Thanks again for introducing us to Fraud King. His latest plagiarism scandal has been good laughs.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's like saying murder is acceptable in society because people do it.

It's expected stupidity from our local GOP minions though.

[Spurminator]

shaun king tho

Debatable. As far as I know he claims to have a black father. If he's gotten any specific legal benefits from claiming to be black while not beng so, he did so criminally.

[Spurminator]

First thought as well :lol along with former white NAACP leader Rachel Dolezal. Did you happen to read the link I provided detailing age identity?

You prove my point with Dolezal.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You prove my point with Dolezal.
Are we discussing legal benefits or race identity? Because her resignation surely didn't change the race she identifies with.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Debatable. As far as I know he claims to have a black father. If he's gotten any specific legal benefits from claiming to be black while not beng so, he did so criminally.
Although not illegal he did dupe Oprah into a scholarship to Morehouse.

[TheSanityAnnex]

CHt7EBCgJnI
Like I've said from the beginning it will be the backlash from women that will force the entire country to change all bathrooms to single occupancy unisex. Huge waste of money to accommodate .03% of the population for which only a small percent of that was even complaining.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's like saying murder is acceptable in society because people do it.

It's expected stupidity from our local GOP minions though.

Murder is definitely routine and acceptable for some in our society. Probably a higher percentage than are transexuals.

[spurraider21]

Didn't really need one. He would have gotten an old fashioned ass whippin and the police wouldn't have done anything.
police would have just allowed assault and battery?

[spurraider21]

Murder is definitely routine and acceptable for some in our society. Probably a higher percentage than are transexuals.
please tell me where murder is acceptable in this country and goes without punishment

inb4 "police"

[Spurminator]

Are we discussing legal benefits or race identity? Because her resignation surely didn't change the race she identifies with.

We're discussing whether the rights afforded to people who identify as a different sex than they are born as are the same as the rights afforded to people who identify as a different race. Answer: They're not.

[Spurminator]

Like I've said from the beginning it will be the backlash from women that will force the entire country to change all bathrooms to single occupancy unisex. Huge waste of money to accommodate .03% of the population for which only a small percent of that was even complaining.

Most likely the vast majority of women won't have a problem with the transgender women using their restroom. Seems like there's a greater chance that they're going to share a bathroom with some self-styled James O'Keefe videotaping himself using the women's restroom to prove a point.

[TheSanityAnnex]

We're discussing whether the rights afforded to people who identify as a different sex than they are born as are the same as the rights afforded to people who identify as a different race. Answer: They're not.
This is just getting underway and the lines are just starting to be blurred. I don't see a difference in identifying with a different sex or identifying with a different race, do you?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Most likely the vast majority of women won't have a problem with the transgender women using their restroom. Seems like there's a greater chance that they're going to share a bathroom with some self-styled James O'Keefe videotaping himself using the women's restroom to prove a point.
It's not the transgenders I think they'll have a problem with.

[Spurminator]

This is just getting underway and the lines are just starting to be blurred. I don't see a difference in identifying with a different sex or identifying with a different race, do you?

I don't really care what people identify as personally, but they can't claim legally to be minority unless they have a parent who was. The whole point of affirmative action and minority benefits is to offset prejudice of their ancestors that put them at a disadvantage today. If we do away with the legal implications of being a minority, I really don't give a shit what anyone calls themselves.

The comment I originally responded to claimed that people could do this today to receive benefits. They can't.

[Spurminator]

It's not the transgenders I think they'll have a problem with.

Right, it's the perverts pretending to be transgender women. As we've established already, that's not an issue in places where this was already policy.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't really care what people identify as personally, but they can't claim legally to be minority unless they have a parent who was. The whole point of affirmative action and minority benefits is to offset prejudice of their ancestors that put them at a disadvantage today. If we do away with the legal implications of being a minority, I really don't give a shit what anyone calls themselves.

The comment I originally responded to claimed that people could do this today to receive benefits. They can't.
It appears we took rmt's comment differently. I didn't read it as to receive benefits.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Right, it's the perverts pretending to be transgender women. As we've established already, that's not an issue in places where this was already policy.
We're just getting started so its wait and see. I predict much backlash from women.

[boutons_deux]

Angry Bible-waving mom screams at Target customers: ‘Are you gonna let the Devil rape your children?’


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/angry-bible-waving-mom-screams-at-target-customers-are-you-gonna-let-the-devil-rape-your-children/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[russellgoat]

I don't really care what people identify as personally, but they can't claim legally to be minority unless they have a parent who was. The whole point of affirmative action and minority benefits is to offset prejudice of their ancestors that put them at a disadvantage today. If we do away with the legal implications of being a minority, I really don't give a shit what anyone calls themselves.

The comment I originally responded to claimed that people could do this today to receive benefits. They can't.

But white born trnasracial people that identify as a minority throw away their white privilege to live as their desired race. Race is a social construct after all. They should receive all the benefits just like the transwoman who receives all the benefits affirmative action give her despite being born with a penis. Shouldn't they at least stop being mocked by progressives?

[Spurminator]

They should receive all the benefits just like the transwoman who receives all the benefits affirmative action give her despite being born with a penis.

What benefits are those, specifically?

[russellgoat]

What benefits are those, specifically?

whatever benefit, rights, buffer of discrimination or whatever you want to call it minorities should get.

[Spurminator]

whatever benefit, rights, buffer of discrimination or whatever you want to call it minorities should get.

Oh so now we're talking hypothetical? Because I could swear you just said transwomen get benefits.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Murder is definitely routine and acceptable for some in our society. Probably a higher percentage than are transexuals.

:lol uh huh. That is why it's illegal in the western world and has been for a millenium. WE hold these rights to be unalienable... murder, oppression, and a dead end.

Meanwhile

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2016/05/FT_16.04.11_sameSex_conservGOP.png

[russellgoat]

Oh so now we're talking hypothetical? Because I could swear you just said transwomen get benefits.

Aren't we talking about the hypothetical benefits a transracial person would get in this thread? What's the problem of a transracial person getting "benefits" if they threw away their white privilege? Do you think transracial people like Rachel deserve all the mockery she got by the media?

[Spurminator]

Aren't we talking about the hypothetical benefits a transracial person would get in this thread?

Bathroom access is a benefit?


What's the problem of a transracial person getting "benefits" if they threw away their white privilege?

If you feel that strongly about it, write your representative. The subject of "transracial" people receiving minority benefits is not one I'm particularly passionate about.


Do you think transracial people like Rachel deserve all the mockery she got by the media?

I didn't really pay attention to the media's coverage of it but conservatives on this board and social media sure had a field day with her for a few weeks.

I have no problem with her losing her NAACP post.

[Blake]

Like I've said from the beginning it will be the backlash from women that will force the entire country to change all bathrooms to single occupancy unisex. Huge waste of money to accommodate .03% of the population for which only a small percent of that was even complaining.

They're complaining about the law.

....which was enacted out of fear of that ".03"%

[TheSanityAnnex]

I have no problem with her losing her NAACP post.
Why don't you have a problem with her losing post because she's not actually African American? She identified as such and was only doing good things for the Africsn American community.

[russellgoat]

Bathroom access is a benefit?



If you feel that strongly about it, write your representative. The subject of "transracial" people receiving minority benefits is not one I'm particularly passionate about.



I didn't really pay attention to the media's coverage of it but conservatives on this board and social media sure had a field day with her for a few weeks.

I have no problem with her losing her NAACP post.

I'm not talking about conservatives because progressives are supposed to be the ones defending people against mockery for their unusual identity. I bet you aren't passionate about transracial people's rights because you are a sheep and your overlords in the media haven't told you to support them.

[Blake]

Why don't you have a problem with her losing post because she's not actually African American? She identified as such and was only doing good things for the Africsn American community.

Lying on your job application is bad.

[TheSanityAnnex]

They're complaining about the law.

....which was enacted out of fear of that ".03"%

You are out of touch or ignorant, the complaint is about people taking advantage of the law, which we are already seeing.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Lying on your job application is bad.
That's what she indentified as. Is "Kaitlyn Jenner" a liar for applying for a job as a woman?

[Spurminator]

I'm not talking about conservatives because progressives are supposed to be the ones defending people against mockery for their unusual identity.

You would think that because:


you are a sheep and your overlords

have told you to think that about the damn libruls.

[Spurminator]

Why don't you have a problem with her losing post because she's not actually African American? She identified as such and was only doing good things for the Africsn American community.

You obviously know a lot more about her than I do and have very strong feelings about the rights of the transracial. But it sounds like the NAACP believed her dishonesty about her heritage disqualified her from the position.

[TeyshaBlue]

They're complaining about the law.

....which was enacted out of fear of that ".03"%

Microaccomodation tbh.

[Spurminator]

But hey, if Big Government Republicans start writing legislation that white citizens are no longer to darken their skin, get dreadlocks and call themselves black, I'm sure you will hear more opposition to that law, because that would be pretty ridiculous, no?

[Spurminator]

You are out of touch or ignorant, the complaint is about people taking advantage of the law, which we are already seeing.

How many examples of this have occurred in California since the School Success and Opportunity Act of 2013 was signed?

Please compare this to homicides-by-gun over the same span.

Thanks.

[TheSanityAnnex]

How many examples of this have occurred in California since the School Success and Opportunity Act of 2013 was signed?

Please compare this to homicides-by-gun over the same span.

Thanks.

Why are you limiting to a school act? And why are we looking at a state with extremely high gun homicides in the strictest areas of gun laws?

[TheSanityAnnex]

You obviously know a lot more about her than I do and have very strong feelings about the rights of the transracial. But it sounds like the NAACP believed her dishonesty about her heritage disqualified her from the position.

Why does her heritage matter? She identified, and still identifies, as African American.

[Spurminator]

Why are you limiting to a school act?

Because that's the specific law that was put in place in California. Outside of schools it is already legal for trans women to use the women's restroom. So have there been a lot of incidents of non-trans men taking advantage of this?


And why are we looking at a state with extremely high gun homicides in the strictest areas of gun laws?

I don't care what state you choose to compare it to.

[Spurminator]

Why does her heritage matter? She identified, and still identifies, as African American.

I don't know, ask the NAACP.

She stepped down, and even if she as forced out, transracials who lie about their lineage are not a protected class.

[Spurminator]

I know you think this line of reasoning is super clever but it betrays an obvious lack of awareness of what gender and transgenders are. Same as your ridiculous "age" argument. You should go meet some of them. Shouldn't be that hard to find in California.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I know you think this line of reasoning is super clever but it betrays an obvious lack of awareness of what gender and transgenders are. Same as your ridiculous "age" argument. You should go meet some of them. Shouldn't be that hard to find in California.
I'm fine with transgenders using the bathroom they identify with, I'm not fine with those who will take advantage of this and claim transgender to access said bathrooms.

[Spurminator]

I'm fine with transgenders using the bathroom they identify with, I'm not fine with those who will take advantage of this and claim transgender to access said bathrooms.

No one is okay with that.

[TheSanityAnnex]

No one is okay with that.
No way to stop it legally.

[Spurminator]

No way to stop it legally.

That's the case for most crimes. But, again, has this been a major problem where access for transgenders has been legal?

[Spurminator]

No way to stop it legally.

And actually, that depends on what you're trying to stop.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's the case for most crimes. But, again, has this been a major problem where access for transgenders has been legal?
But it is not a crime. And it's too early to tell if this will be a problem. This directive was just sent out a few days ago. It'll be entertaining seeing what happens at the schools.

[Spurminator]

But it is not a crime. And it's too early to tell if this will be a problem.

What you are implying may happen if non-trans men access a woman's restroom is a crime. It's been three years since this was big news in California. Three years isn't enough time?


This directive was just sent out a few days ago. It'll be entertaining seeing what happens at the schools.

Considering the doomsday scenario you believe will happen as a result of this, it's troubling that you find that "entertaining."

[TheSanityAnnex]

What you are implying may happen if non-trans men access a woman's restroom is a crime. It's been three years since this was big news in California. Three years isn't enough time?



Considering the doomsday scenario you believe will happen as a result of this, it's troubling that you find that "entertaining."it would not be a crime. The non-trans man will just claim he identifies as a woman. Can't prove he's lying.

I never predicted a doomsday scenario. I said there will be backlash from women/girls when non-trans men start using their restrooms.

[Spurminator]

it would not be a crime. The non-trans man will just claim he identifies as a woman. Can't prove he's lying.

I never predicted a doomsday scenario. I said there will be backlash from women/girls when non-trans men start using their restrooms.

What non-criminal activities do you think will be commonly practiced by non-trans men in women's restrooms?

Do you think they're just going to suddenly start using the women's room for the better-scented hand soaps?

[boutons_deux]

Kentucky woman says man beat her for looking too masculine — as people stood by and watched

http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Brittany-N-Wallace-in-hospital-after-beating-via-Facebook-800x430.png


A Paintsville, Kentucky woman said that she was attacked and brutally beaten on Thursday for looking too masculine.In a post on her Facebook timeline (https://www.facebook.com/brittany.manns.3/posts/10153658058783977), Brittany Nicole Wallace wrote, “Today I was assaulted.

A man assaulted me because I look like a ‘dike’! He told me that he would ‘beat me like the man I want to be.’ He said, ‘people like me make him hate the world.'”

“He started by hitting me over and over in the face until he got me down,” Wallace wrote. “After I was down he began to kick me in the stomach, side, and face.”

Wallace said she tried to fight back, but her attacker was bigger and stronger.

Bystanders, she said, never even lifted a finger to help.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/kentucky-woman-says-man-beat-her-for-looking-too-masculine-as-people-stood-by-and-watched/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

KY is Christ's kind of Christian Sharia state.

[TheSanityAnnex]

What non-criminal activities do you think will be commonly practiced by non-trans men in women's restrooms?

Do you think they're just going to suddenly start using the women's room for the better-scented hand soaps?
The same non-criminal activities they do in the men's room. It doesn't have to be criminal activity to make women uncomfortable.

[ElNono]

https://pics.onsizzle.com/Imgur-15db4a.png

[Shastafarian]

I'm surprised TSA is taking this position. Knowing his past thoughts on the subject, I thought he'd be all for defending a child molester's right to molest children.

[Spurminator]

The same non-criminal activities they do in the men's room.

You're being purposefully vague. What exactly do you think they will do and why?

And again, has this been an issue in California for the last three years?

[DisAsTerBot]

The same non-criminal activities they do in the men's room. It doesn't have to be criminal activity to make women uncomfortable.

Except if you were in high school you'd have a field day, remember? Does that mean that you are the very person that you are afraid will take "advantage" of this law?

kinda weird that you creep yourself out so badly

[Blake]

Lol

[jack sommerset]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov-ocQpQtrw

[Blake]

Whoa a jack sighting

[Fabbs]

Blake, Bouts etc I have not seen this film but I wonder if it would help your cause?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBQGRCEBcFM

Synopsis: After learning she only has three months to live, Morgan flips her conservative protected life upside down. This is where she meets Jordan, a purse snatching ex-junkie cross dresser, who gives her a glimpse of a new life. Together they set out on a bucket list of adventures and show us how precious life is, and how just three months can be an entire lifetime if you are with the one you love.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

http://www.ar15.com/images/2008skins/icons/doubleArrowRight.png (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1869149&r=&qte=1#i)Transgender Surgery Isn't the Solution
A drastic physical change doesn't address underlying psycho-social troubles.
By Paul McHugh
Updated May 13, 2016 2:18 p.m. ET
657 COMMENTS

Editors’ note: This op-ed was originally published on June 12, 2014.

The government and media alliance advancing the transgender cause has gone into overdrive in recent weeks. On May 30, a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services review board ruled that Medicare can pay for the "reassignment" surgery sought by the transgendered—those who say that they don't identify with their biological sex. Earlier last month Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said that he was "open" to lifting a ban on transgender individuals serving in the military. Time magazine (http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/AR15-Magazines-AK47-Magazines-Glock-Magazines-Rifle-Magaz-s/1901.htm), seeing the trend, ran a cover story for its June 9 issue called "The Transgender Tipping Point: America's next civil rights frontier."

Yet policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention. This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken—it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes.

The transgendered suffer a disorder of "assumption" like those in other disorders familiar to psychiatrists. With the transgendered, the disordered assumption is that the individual differs from what seems given in nature—namely one's maleness or femaleness. Other kinds of disordered assumptions are held by those who suffer from anorexia and bulimia nervosa, where the assumption that departs from physical reality is the belief by the dangerously thin that they are overweight.

With body dysmorphic disorder, an often socially crippling condition, the individual is consumed by the assumption "I'm ugly." These disorders occur in subjects who have come to believe that some of their psycho-social conflicts or problems will be resolved if they can change the way that they appear to others. Such ideas work like ruling passions in their subjects' minds and tend to be accompanied by a solipsistic argument.

For the transgendered, this argument holds that one's feeling of "gender" is a conscious, subjective sense that, being in one's mind, cannot be questioned by others. The individual often seeks not just society's tolerance of this "personal truth" but affirmation of it. Here rests the support for "transgender equality," the demands for government payment for medical and surgical treatments, and for access to all sex-based public roles and privileges.

With this argument, advocates for the transgendered have persuaded several states—including California, New Jersey and Massachusetts—to pass laws barring psychiatrists, even with parental permission, from striving to restore natural gender feelings to a transgender minor. That government can intrude into parents' rights to seek help in guiding their children indicates how powerful these advocates have become.

How to respond? Psychiatrists obviously must challenge the solipsistic concept that what is in the mind cannot be questioned. Disorders of consciousness, after all, represent psychiatry's domain; declaring them off-limits would eliminate the field. Many will recall how, in the 1990s, an accusation of parental sex abuse of children was deemed unquestionable by the solipsists of the "recovered memory" craze.

You won't hear it from those championing transgender equality, but controlled and follow-up studies reveal fundamental problems with this movement. When children who reported transgender feelings were tracked without medical or surgical treatment at both Vanderbilt University and London's Portman Clinic, 70%-80% of them spontaneously lost those feelings. Some 25% did have persisting feelings; what differentiates those individuals remains to be discerned.

We at Johns Hopkins University—which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into "sex-reassignment surgery"—launched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs.

It now appears that our long-ago decision was a wise one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription.

There are subgroups of the transgendered, and for none does "reassignment" seem apt. One group includes male prisoners like Pvt. Bradley Manning, the convicted national-security leaker who now wishes to be called Chelsea. Facing long sentences and the rigors of a men's prison, they have an obvious motive for wanting to change their sex and hence their prison. Given that they committed their crimes as males, they should be punished as such; after serving their time, they will be free to reconsider their gender.

Another subgroup consists of young men and women susceptible to suggestion from "everything is normal" sex education, amplified by Internet chat groups. These are the transgender subjects most like anorexia nervosa patients: They become persuaded that seeking a drastic physical change will banish their psycho-social problems. "Diversity" counselors in their schools, rather like cult leaders, may encourage these young people to distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against having transgender surgery. Treatments here must begin with removing the young person from the suggestive environment and offering a counter-message in family therapy.

Then there is the subgroup of very young, often prepubescent children who notice distinct sex roles in the culture and, exploring how they fit in, begin imitating the opposite sex. Misguided doctors at medical centers including Boston's Children's Hospital have begun trying to treat this behavior by administering puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous—even though the drugs stunt the children's growth and risk causing sterility. Given that close to 80% of such children would abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated, these medical interventions come close to child abuse. A better way to help these children: with devoted parenting.

At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.

[MultiTroll]

http://www.ar15.com/images/2008skins/icons/doubleArrowRight.png (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1869149&r=&qte=1#i)Transgender Surgery Isn't the Solution
A drastic physical change doesn't address underlying psycho-social troubles.
By Paul McHugh
Brucette Jenders people are denying it but could this be true?
Caitlyn Jenner Experienced ‘Sex Change Regret,’ Might De-Transition, Biographer Says

[TheSanityAnnex]

Brucette Jenders people are denying it but could this be true?
Caitlyn Jenner Experienced ‘Sex Change Regret,’ Might De-Transition, Biographer Says
Wasn't even aware Bruce chopped his dick off. Surprised Blake didn't update us.

[Winehole23]

you did. own it.

[Blake]

Wasn't even aware Bruce chopped his dick off. Surprised Blake didn't update us.

Fabbs keeps up with the Kardashians, not me. Srs, no joke.

[Th'Pusher]

i'm pretty sure he hasn't cut it off yet, tbh. Heard that on Stern.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Fabbs keeps up with the Kardashians, not me. Srs, no joke.

First I've heard of it though no joke. Did he really chop his peepee off?

[Th'Pusher]

First I've heard of it though no joke. Did he really chop his peepee off?

Pretty sure that didn't happen.

On on another note. How's the FSMA affect your business, if at all?

[MultiTroll]

Brucett, AFAIK not only is keeping his pee pee, but says is attracted to women.
Recap, desperately wants to be known as a women, converts to stage name Caitlyn.
Keeps pee pee and states is sexually attracted to women.
Yet says is not lezbo.

Rumor that Kris wants to become a man so they can re marry, while fitting is also said to be a ratings grab.

[MultiTroll]

Fabbs keeps up with the Kardashians, not me. Srs, no joke.
Blakey part of my pay is to keep informed on marketing trends.
Sad, make that extremely sad to say the Skunkdashians have an ungodly number of paying customers.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Pretty sure that didn't happen.

On on another note. How's the FSMA affect your business, if at all?
Good for Bruce. Maybe he'll snap out of his funk and not committ suicide like so many are prone to do.

On your other note: With as big as we are in organic we've been a step ahead the whole time at the request of the Costcos/Whole Foods of the world. US ranches GAP certified, Mexican/Peruvian ranches and packing houses Fair Trade certified etc. But it's a fucking avocado with a thick ass skin, none of matters to the inside of the fruit, none of it. The Fair Trade stuff is a nice idea but with as corrupt and cartel run a lot of the areas are down there I have my doubts as to whether or not the growers/pickers/shippers see any of that extra $3.50 per case.

[Chinook]

I can't get on board with treating sex-reassignment surgery like a medical issue and not plastic surgery. In a world where many people have to pay for gastric bypass out of pocket, I can't see justifying mandating that insurance companies or the government should have to foot the bill. It's getting awfully close to justifying kids trying to force their parents to pay for the surgery.

[Blake]

First I've heard of it though no joke. Did he really chop his peepee off?

Fabbs, this question I think is directed at you


Blakey part of my pay is to keep informed on marketing trends.
Sad, make that extremely sad to say the Skunkdashians have an ungodly number of paying customers.

Damn that really is sad.

Lol paid khardasian expert

[Blake]

In a world where many people have to pay for gastric bypass out of pocket

^ Ass talking drivel.

[Chinook]

^ Ass talking drivel.

I guess Google is broken in your part of the woods.

[Blake]

I guess Google is broken in your part of the woods.

Works fine for me. Most insurance carriers cover gastric bypass for the morbidly obese. As does Medicare.

Feel free to back your drivel at any time to change it from being more than drivel.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I guess Google is broken in your part of the woods.

What is with board conservatives expecting other people to make their arguments for them? Was your gastric bypass rejected?

[Blake]

Was your gastric bypass rejected?

Huh..it didn't occur to me that he might have shitty insurance in his world

[Chinook]

Works fine for me. Most insurance carriers cover gastric bypass for the morbidly obese.

So you admit that some insurers don't cover the procedure, leaving their many customers to pay for the procedure out of pocket, but you don't think that meets the standards for what I said?

According to this Web site: http://nofusa.org/news/health-insurance-cover-obesity-treatment/

23/50 states mandate that insurers cover gastric bypasses
14/50 states don't, but they mandate that insurers cover at least counseling
13/50 have no mandates of coverate

So as far as government intervention, that's not happening to the level you seem to think. Hell, even Obamacare doesn't mandate coverage.


Nearly two-thirds of health plans sponsored by employers don't cover weight loss surgery, which can cost between $15,000 and $25,000. Those that do often mandate that patients meet a number of requirements, including special diets and psychological evaluations, before they can get the procedure covered.

And early signs indicate many of the same challenges seen in the private market have carried over to the new, state-run insurance exchanges that are part of the health care overhaul: Only 24 states require insurers to cover weight loss surgery for patients. And when the procedure is covered, many plans require patients to pay up to 50% of the cost out of pocket.

http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20140215/INFO/302159935

But that article is from early 2014, so I think the numbers have shrunk. A 15-minute Google search can't find anything besides "most" or "many" as far as current numbers.

[Spurminator]

We're in a weird middle area as a society where gender matters less and less but people still feel the need to alter their identity to fit into a certain gender. I don't really know what happens next.

[FromWayDowntown]

Most insurance carriers cover gastric bypass for the morbidly obese.

What a strange world.

Insurance carriers will pay for gastric bypass and even some procedures that are wholly cosmetic, but scream and yell if parents of hearing impaired children request that their policies cover things like hearing aids.

Digression concluded.

[Blake]

What a strange world.

Insurance carriers will pay for gastric bypass and even some procedures that are wholly cosmetic, but scream and yell if parents of hearing impaired children request that their policies cover things like hearing aids.

Digression concluded.

Yeah, I don't get all of it either, but I get the gastric bypass thing if someone is near death obese.

[Blake]

So you admit that some insurers don't cover the procedure, leaving their many customers to pay for the procedure out of pocket, but you don't think that meets the standards for what I said?

According to this Web site: http://nofusa.org/news/health-insurance-cover-obesity-treatment/

23/50 states mandate that insurers cover gastric bypasses
14/50 states don't, but they mandate that insurers cover at least counseling
13/50 have no mandates of coverate

So as far as government intervention, that's not happening to the level you seem to think. Hell, even Obamacare doesn't mandate coverage.



http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20140215/INFO/302159935

But that article is from early 2014, so I think the numbers have shrunk. A 15-minute Google search can't find anything besides "most" or "many" as far as current numbers.

K, so the term "many" in "many can't get insurance for gastric bypass" is your own subjective claim pulled from your ass.

"Many" is whatever you want it to be.

Like I said: drivel.

[Blake]

..and just because there's no government mandate in some states doesn't mean the insurance won't cover it in those states.

But feel free to provide the name of the company that doesn't and I'll write them a letter demanding they provide coverage for you.

[boutons_deux]

House Dems yell ‘shame, shame’ after Republicans block bill protecting LGBT federal workers

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/house-dems-yell-shame-shame-after-republicans-block-bill-protecting-lgbt-federal-workers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[TheSanityAnnex]

We're in a weird middle area as a society where gender matters less and less but people still feel the need to alter their identity to fit into a certain gender. I don't really know what happens next.
This is what happens next :lmao Fines for wrong pronouns

https://nypost.com/2016/05/19/city-issues-new-guidelines-on-transgender-pronouns/

[Spurminator]

This is what happens next :lmao Fines for wrong pronouns

https://nypost.com/2016/05/19/city-issues-new-guidelines-on-transgender-pronouns/

The Murdock Post unsurprisingly dumbed it down to dupe its gullible (angry, old) readers.

[boutons_deux]

Women are getting harassed in bathrooms because of anti-transgender hysteria

other women are also getting swept up by anti-trans discrimination, as bathrooms turn into places of harassment for anyone who doesn't conform to rigid views of gender.

a cisgender (non-trans) woman was insulted (http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Woman-mistaken-for-transgender-harassed-in-7471666.php#photo-10075104) while in a Walmart bathroom after another woman confused her for a trans woman, apparently because of her short hair. The incident, the woman said, led her to confront the kind of harassment and discrimination that trans people have faced in bathrooms for a long time.

a myth (http://www.vox.com/cards/transgender-myths-fiction-facts/transgender-bathroom-bills): Multiple investigations have found states and schools that have had legal protections for trans people for years have never linked an instance of sexual assault or harassment in a bathroom to trans-friendly policies.

(The only bathroom harassment historically related to trans people, in fact, seems to be harassment and discriminationagainst trans people (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/06/26/2216781/transgender-bathroom-study/).)

examples: ...


http://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11690234/women-bathrooms-harassment

[spurraider21]

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[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

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[boutons_deux]

Texas A.G.: Transgender women are using girls bathrooms and then ‘switching back next day’ to male


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Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) said that he is suing the federal government to prevent transgender women from using the bathroom with girls and then “switching back the next day” to become males again.

“My concerns are about the rule of law and about safety for children,” :lol :lol :lol


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/texas-a-g-transgender-women-are-using-girls-bathrooms-and-then-switching-back-next-day-to-male/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[Blake]

We also need to separate blacks into their own bathrooms. For their safety.


Three white teenage*boys at Dietrich High School in Idaho*are accused of coaxing*a black, mentally disabled teammate into what he thought was a hug in their locker room, before they held him down and*raped him in the rectum with a coat hanger on Oct. 23, 2015. Now two of the boys are being charged as adults with "forcible sexual penetration by use of a foreign object."*

The boy accused of holding his teammate down will be charged as a juvenile. However, 17-year-old Tanner Ward is accused of forcibly penetrating the victim with the hanger, while 18-year-old*John R. K. Howard allegedly repeatedly kicked the hanger into the victim's rectum, causing physical harm.*



https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-high-school-footballers-allegedly-150600739.html?nhp=1

[Trill Clinton]

We also need to separate blacks into their own bathrooms. For their safety.




https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-high-school-footballers-allegedly-150600739.html?nhp=1

WTF???

[Blake]

WTF???

Yeah ditto

[boutons_deux]

Stacey Dash lashes out in support of N.C. ‘bathroom bill’: Trans people ‘should go in the bushes’


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/stacey-dash-lashes-out-in-support-of-n-c-bathroom-bill-trans-people-should-go-in-the-bushes/

[Quetzal-X]

President George Washington was known to put on a lil sum'sum to get that red blush trans look. Would yall redneck inbreds be in favor of kickin' the prez' ass out the mens room lookin like 'Jesus' lookalike Bruce Jenny from thah block kardashian? TBH Grab shim out by his curly wig pantyhose runs and all. Good ol' days.

[TeyshaBlue]

There's a weird duality at work here. On one hand we codify in loco parentis in schools...children cant vote, drink, serve, or enter into legally binding contracts because they do not possess the wisdom/knowledge/experience to make these decisions. Yet they are given the licence decide they are another gender.
Seems a little incongruous to me.

[rmt]

Hope the parents don't let these kids do anything permanent - kids have been known to change their minds a million times.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The head of Georgia’s ACLU chapter has resigned over President Obama’s directive for schools to let transgender students use the bathroom of their choice, after she said her daughters were frightened by running into three transgender individuals in the women’s bathroom.
The ACLU has supported the Obama administration’s guidance on transgender bathroom use in public schools — a principle Maya Dillard Smith (http://m.washingtontimes.com/topics/maya-dillard-smith/) stands strongly against.


“It became clear that we were principally and philosophically different in opinion,” she told (http://news.wabe.org/post/ga-aclu-director-resigns-over-transgender-issues-dialogue)Atlanta (http://m.washingtontimes.com/topics/atlanta/)’s NPR station.
She said she is in the process of educating herself on transgender issues, but claimed there was no room for dialogue at the ACLU.

“It’s through communication that we develop empathy and understanding, and I think that our democracy requires us to allow for exchange of ideas, without people being labeled one thing or another,” Ms. Smith (http://m.washingtontimes.com/topics/maya-dillard-smith/) said.
In a statement (http://atlantaprogressivenews.com/2016/05/29/georgia-aclu-director-departs-over-transgender-litigation/) obtained by Atlanta (http://m.washingtontimes.com/topics/atlanta/) Progressive News, she accused the ACLU of being “a special interest organization that promotes not all, but certain progressive rights. In that way, it is a special interest organization not unlike the conservative right, which creates a hierarchy of rights based on who is funding the organization’s lobbying activities.”
Ms. Smith (http://m.washingtontimes.com/topics/maya-dillard-smith/) explained that the last straw for her was when her young daughters ran into three transgender adults in the women’s bathroom.



“I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school age daughters into a women’s restroom when shortly after three transgender young adults over six feet with deep voices entered,” she wrote. “My children were visibly frightened, concerned about their safety and left asking lots of questions for which I, like many parents, was ill-prepared to answer.”
She said the ACLU’s goal should be to “delicately balance competing rights to ensure that any infringements are narrowly tailored, that they do not create a hierarchy of rights, and that we are mindful of unintended consequences.”
“Despite additional learning I still have to do, I believe there are solutions that can provide accommodations for transgender people and balance the need to ensure women and girls are safe from those who might have malicious intent,” she said.
Marsha Zeesman, a spokeswoman for the ACLU, declined to speak with the Atlanta (http://m.washingtontimes.com/topics/atlanta/) Progressive News on personnel matters. A job announcement seeking Ms. Smith (http://m.washingtontimes.com/topics/maya-dillard-smith/)’s replacement has been posted (https://www.aclu.org/careers/executive-director-aclu-georgia-0) on the organization’s website.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/20...r-resigns-ove/ (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/2/maya-dillard-smith-georgia-aclu-leader-resigns-ove/)

[Blake]

There's a weird duality at work here. On one hand we codify in loco parentis in schools...children cant vote, drink, serve, or enter into legally binding contracts because they do not possess the wisdom/knowledge/experience to make these decisions. Yet they are given the licence decide they are another gender.
Seems a little incongruous to me.

If they get a doctor's note, I think it's a lot less incongruous

[TeyshaBlue]

Honest question....a doctor's going to write a note? Has this actually happened?

[boutons_deux]

There's a weird duality at work here. On one hand we codify in loco parentis in schools...children cant vote, drink, serve, or enter into legally binding contracts because they do not possess the wisdom/knowledge/experience to make these decisions. Yet they are given the licence decide they are another gender.
Seems a little incongruous to me.

"decisions" ?

To change gender identity is not a reasoned, intellectual "decision". It's come from an emotional level, even genetic, and often from childhood where your fucking legalities don't even apply.

You're stupidly mixing crude legalities with the deeply personal, emotional, early-life of a transgender.

There's nothing more "wise" than being authentic, true to your "self" rather than conforming to often idiotic, politically driven, hate driven expectations and legalities

[TeyshaBlue]

Wow. I havent heard psycho babble like that since the 60's.
You undestand why society crafts laws pertaining to minors, right? It's often "wise" to not set that cat on fire even though it's "true" to your current level of emotional development.
I don't have a beef with transgenderism. Its not my current cup of tea, but a child is far from anything resembling a finished product. An adult making that decision, and yes you have to decide to dress and act accordingly regardless of your motivation, seems far more reasoned.

[TeyshaBlue]

There may be a whole lot of "Get off my lawn!" at work here. I accept that criticism.

[boutons_deux]

“I’ll take bathroom selfies in men’s rooms across North Carolina”: This transwoman is challenging the HB2 law in the most badass way

Shakina Nayfack is taking her solo show on the road

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/07/ill_take_bathroom_selfies_in_mens_rooms_across_nor th_carolina_this_transwoman_is_challenging_the_hb2 _law_in_the_most_badass_way/

[SpursforSix]

“I’ll take bathroom selfies in men’s rooms across North Carolina”: This transwoman is challenging the HB2 law in the most badass way

Shakina Nayfack is taking her solo show on the road

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/07/ill_take_bathroom_selfies_in_mens_rooms_across_nor th_carolina_this_transwoman_is_challenging_the_hb2 _law_in_the_most_badass_way/

Self promotion. She's just trying to put herself in a position to make some money.

[CosmicCowboy]

That is one fugly dude.

[Blake]

Honest question....a doctor's going to write a note? Has this actually happened?

Many school districts had been requiring doctors notes. Apparently Obama squashed that saying all you need is a parent/guardian to give the OK to the school district on the gender swap.

It's better than just letting the kids decide I think, but I'd prefer to see a doctor note myself.

[CosmicCowboy]

How would a doctor make a determination? Most doctor visits are like 10 minutes long. Give them a Briggs Myers test?

[rmt]

How is this transgender issue going to affect sports? Male athletes could identify as females and join the women's tour? I know Renee Richards did it back in the 70s but he was in his 40s. Iirc, he later said that he wished he had been in his 20s. He would have made a killing then - completely dominated the women's tennis tour.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

http://americanmilitarynews.com/2016/06/transgender-teen-boy-dominates-girl-track-meet-girls-rightfully-lash-out/

A teen boy, that self-identifies as a girl, was allowed to compete in a girls’ state championships in Alaska. The boy, Nattaphon Wangyot, dominated the competition and will advance to the finals with All-State Honors In Girls Track And Field. The decision to let the student, that is biologically a male, compete in girls’ sports has caused an uproar in the community. An organized protest to prevent teen girls from competing against students that are biologically male has been launched in response.

Nattaphon Wangyot was allowed to participate in the girls’ competition due to a state law that allows each individual high school to determine whether or boys can compete in individual girls’ events. The Alaska Dispatch News reports that boys do not need to go through hormone treatment to be eligible to participate, the only requirement is that the boys self-identify as girls. The policy states that school officials will consider several intangible qualities to determine whether or not the student truly identifies as a female. The official school policy states:

“FOR THE PURPOSES OF GENDER IDENTIFICATION FOR INTERSCHOLASTIC ACTIVITIES, THE DISTRICT WILL CONSIDER THE GENDER IDENTITY BASED ON THE STUDENT’S CONSISTENT DECLARATION OF GENDER IDENTITY, THEIR ACTIONS, ATTITUDE, DRESS AND MANNERISMS,”

The beginning of the end of athletic scholarships for real women:lol

[boutons_deux]

Self promotion. She's just trying to put herself in a position to make some money.

This is America, making money is The Only Game In Town

[Blake]

How is this transgender issue going to affect sports? Male athletes could identify as females and join the women's tour? I know Renee Richards did it back in the 70s but he was in his 40s. Iirc, he later said that he wished he had been in his 20s. He would have made a killing then - completely dominated the women's tennis tour.

After losing muscle mass due to hormone therapy probably not

[Blake]

How would a doctor make a determination? Most doctor visits are like 10 minutes long. Give them a Briggs Myers test?

I'll pull a cosmiccowboy and say go Google it

[CosmicCowboy]

I'll pull a cosmiccowboy and say go Google it

Google doesn't seem to know. You said you think Doctors should make the determination. I even gave you one possibility that you ignored, probably because you didn't know what I was referring to.

[TeyshaBlue]

Many school districts had been requiring doctors notes. Apparently Obama squashed that saying all you need is a parent/guardian to give the OK to the school district on the gender swap.

It's better than just letting the kids decide I think, but I'd prefer to see a doctor note myself.

Had no idea. Thx.

[SpursforSix]

Google doesn't seem to know. You said you think Doctors should make the determination. I even gave you one possibility that you ignored, probably because you didn't know what I was referring to.

I did some research and came up with an excellent test.

ZvWCdnkPkPE

[I. Hustle]

I did some research and came up with an excellent test.

ZvWCdnkPkPE

But does your BRAIN have a penis or a vagina?

[rmt]

After losing muscle mass due to hormone therapy probably not

A 6' 1" Renee Richards in her early 20s vs Tracy Austin and Chris Evert - I think so. Maybe not, Martina Navratilova - but it was only at this time that Martina started the fitness/lifting weights push. Earlier, she had weight problems. The women's tennis tour, in general, didn't do the physical training that they do now - nor were they are tall and big as they are now.

[CosmicCowboy]

Even with hormone therapy they would retain most of the original muscle mass with an athletes diet and exercise. Maybe not as much of an effect in tennis but there could be a huge performance gap in track and field, volleyball, softball, etc.

[SpursforSix]

But does your BRAIN have a penis or a vagina?

Mind = Blown

[rmt]

Even with hormone therapy they would retain most of the original muscle mass with an athletes diet and exercise. Maybe not as much of an effect in tennis but there could be a huge performance gap in track and field, volleyball, softball, etc.

Huge difference between men and women in tennis too. Remember 17 year olds like Boris Becker, Michael Chang and Mats Wilander were winning Wimbledon and French Opens in the 80s - they would kill top women players.

[Blake]

Google doesn't seem to know. You said you think Doctors should make the determination. I even gave you one possibility that you ignored, probably because you didn't know what I was referring to.

You really can't find any doctors anywhere that diagnose gender identity issues? Took me about 10 seconds on the googles

Lol old.

[Blake]

Even with hormone therapy they would retain most of the original muscle mass with an athletes diet and exercise. Maybe not as much of an effect in tennis but there could be a huge performance gap in track and field, volleyball, softball, etc.


Huge difference between men and women in tennis too. Remember 17 year olds like Boris Becker, Michael Chang and Mats Wilander were winning Wimbledon and French Opens in the 80s - they would kill top women players.

I'm being serious, this was a 2 minute Google search:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4335-ncaa-inclusion-of-transgender-student-athletes.aspx

[Blake]

1 more minute

http://time.com/3537849/meet-the-first-openly-transgender-ncaa-athlete/

[boutons_deux]

Even with hormone therapy they would retain most of the original muscle mass with an athletes diet and exercise. Maybe not as much of an effect in tennis but there could be a huge performance gap in track and field, volleyball, softball, etc.

actually, no, of course. hormonal therapy (blocking testosterone, adding estrogen) for men causes loss of muscle mass, muscle pain, loss of strength, tone, osteoporosis, loss of libido. Fucking with hormones for any purpose is super risky, with lots of known bad effects.

[I. Hustle]

actually, no, of course. hormonal therapy (blocking testosterone, adding estrogen) for me causes loss of muscle mass, strength, tone, osteoporosis, loss of libido. Fucking with hormones for any purpose is super risky, with lots of known bad effects.

You're going through hormonal therapy?

[boutons_deux]

Fox News’s Laura Ingraham Has Diaper Fantasies, And They Are Disgusting

"I think a lot of people are gonna be walkin’ around with just Depends on, from now on.

They’re just not gonna use the bathroom.

They’re gonna … adult diapers, diapers for everybody!

No one’s gonna be going to the bathroom!

You have little kids, there’s gonna be no bathrooms.

We’re just gonna all wear Depends … everyone just be happy.

And you’ll be in your own bathroom, everyone’s bathroom is just their own clothes.

Okay? This is what we’re gonna go to."

http://wonkette.com/603603/fox-newss-laura-ingraham-has-diaper-fantasies-and-they-are-disgusting

Typical quality news from Fox.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Transgender woman arrested in voyeurism incident at Idaho Target

An Idaho man who told police he identifies as a woman was arrested Tuesday after allegedly taking photos of a woman in a Target fitting room, officials said.

Sean Patrick Smith, 43, was allegedly dressed in women’s clothing when he entered the fitting room in the women’s section of the store in Ammon on Monday, East Idaho News (http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/man-dressed-woman-caught-taking-photos-dressing-room/) reported. Smith, also known as Shauna Patricia Smith, then began taking pictures of a woman in the changing stall next to him, police said.


“The woman was begging for help as she chased the man out the door,” a witness told East Idaho News. “She kept saying she wanted those pictures deleted.”

Detectives found Smith on Tuesday and charged him with one felony count of voyeurism. He was booked into the Bonneville County Jail and was set to make a court appearance Wednesday.
Target announced in April that “transgender team members and guests” were welcome “to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/13/transgender-woman-arrested-in-voyeurism-incident-at-idaho-target.html

[SpursforSix]

Transgender woman arrested in voyeurism incident at Idaho Target

An Idaho man who told police he identifies as a woman was arrested Tuesday after allegedly taking photos of a woman in a Target fitting room, officials said.

Sean Patrick Smith, 43, was allegedly dressed in women’s clothing when he entered the fitting room in the women’s section of the store in Ammon on Monday, East Idaho News (http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/man-dressed-woman-caught-taking-photos-dressing-room/) reported. Smith, also known as Shauna Patricia Smith, then began taking pictures of a woman in the changing stall next to him, police said.


“The woman was begging for help as she chased the man out the door,” a witness told East Idaho News. “She kept saying she wanted those pictures deleted.”

Detectives found Smith on Tuesday and charged him with one felony count of voyeurism. He was booked into the Bonneville County Jail and was set to make a court appearance Wednesday.
Target announced in April that “transgender team members and guests” were welcome “to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/13/transgender-woman-arrested-in-voyeurism-incident-at-idaho-target.html

http://www.ktvb.com/img/resize/content.ktvb.com/photo/2016/07/13/sean%20smith_1468428970669_4008468_ver1.0.jpg?pres et=534-401

[boutons_deux]

State felony. We'll see

This is the overwhelming reason, one male pervert, to hate, discrimate against LGBTQ, right?

In other pervert news you won't hear about from rigthwingnuts

AL church officials busted for child sex crimes — bringing state total to 9 in 4 months

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/al-church-officials-busted-for-child-sex-crimes-bringing-state-total-to-9-in-4-months/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

Georgia Court Says It's Legal to Film Video Up a Woman's Skirt

Justice is blind—unless it's looking up your skirt.



In a win for folks who believe women's bodies are public property, the Georgia Court of Appeals ruled in favor of a supermarket employee who followed a customer around the store, secretly recording a video of the view up her skirt.

Citing a "gap" in Georgia's criminal statutes, Judge Elizabeth Branch and five colleagues ruled earlier this month that "upskirting" is permissible under current law.

"It is regrettable that no law currently exists which criminalizes [the appellant’s] reprehensible conduct," Branch wrote.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/judges-view-your-skirt-public-space-ladies


Will George Repugs, all lovers of Christ, move quickly to close the "gap" of Georgia rednecks gaping at a ladies' gaps?

[TheSanityAnnex]

:sleep


Target survived the boycott after they banned open carry from their stores. These are the exact same people boycotting.....again :sleep

The Target boycott is costing more than anyone expected

A boycott against Target over its bathroom policy seems to be costing the retailer more than anyone expected. The boycott started in April after Target announced that it would welcome transgender customers (http://www.businessinsider.com/target-gender-bathroom-policy-2016-4) to use any bathroom or fitting room that matched their gender identity.
The announcement triggered an immediate backlash. Critics said the policy opened the door for sexual predators to victimize women and children inside the retailer's bathrooms (http://www.businessinsider.com/target-boycott-over-transgender-bathroom-policy-2016-4), and more than 1.4 million people signed a pledge (https://www.afa.net/action-alerts/sign-the-boycott-target-pledge/) to stop shopping at Target unless it reversed the policy.


But Target didn't back down.



Now shopper traffic is declining for the first time in years, and the company is installing single-occupancy bathrooms in all of its stores to give critics of the policy more privacy (http://www.businessinsider.com/target-is-adding-more-private-bathrooms-2016-5). The new bathrooms, which already exist in a majority of Target stores, are costing Target $20 million to install, Fortune reports (http://fortune.com/2016/08/17/target-transgender-bathroom-3/).


The company revealed its traffic declines last week when it reported second-quarter earnings.
Target's same-store transactions, which is how traffic is measured, fell 2.2% in the second quarter. Overall, sales fell 7.2% to $16.2 billion.
"In the second quarter, our No. 1 challenge was traffic, which affected sales in all of our merchandise categories," Target CEO Brian Cornell said last week on a call with analysts.


Cathy Smith, the company's chief financial officer, added: "Traffic performance showed a meaningful change from prior trend. I want to pause and make it clear that we are not satisfied with our second-quarter traffic and sales performance."
In the past, even the most widespread calls for company boycotts have tended to blow over within a matter of weeks to months.
Chick-fil-A, for example, faced a nationwide boycott in 2012 after Dan Cathy, the son of Chick-fil-A's founder, S. Truett Cathy, set off a fury among gay-rights supporters (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/us/us-chick-fil-a-debate/) when he told Baptist Press (http://www.bpnews.net/38271) that the company was "guilty as charged" for backing "the biblical definition of a family."


Following Cathy's remarks, reports emerged detailing Chick-fil-A's many charitable donations to organizations opposed to same-sex marriage (http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-much-money-chick-fil-a-gives-to-anti-gay-groups-2012-7).
Despite the backlash, Chick-fil-A's sales soared 14% in 2012 (http://www.ajc.com/news/business/chick-fil-a-keeps-growing-despite-uproar/nT85n/).


Investors seem unsure of the long-term impact of the boycott on Target's sales, however.
The retailer's stock is down 1% since the start of the year.

http://www.businessinsider.com/target-boycott-costs-20-million-2016-8?yptr=yahoo?r=UK&IR=T

[Splits]

September 12, 2016, 08:51 pm
NCAA pulls championships out of North Carolina over bathroom law


The National Collegiate Athletic Association will pull its championship events from North Carolina over the state's recently passed law that that critics say targets gay people and transgender people.

The NCAA had previously awarded seven championship events to North Carolina, but announced Monday they would be relocated after the state passed a law barring transgender people from using public restrooms that match their gender identity.

“Fairness is about more than the opportunity to participate in college sports, or even compete for championships,” Mark Emmert, the NCAA president, said in a statement," according to The New York Times.

“We believe in providing a safe and respectful environment at our events and are committed to providing the best experience possible for college athletes, fans and everyone taking part in our championships.”

The NCAA also criticized a law that prevents local governments from passing anti-discrimination laws that include protections for sexual orientation or gender identity.

“We are surprised and disappointed by the NCAA’s decision and regret the impact it will have on North Carolina's student-athletes, coaches, athletic staffs, fans, and the North Carolina communities previously chosen to host these championship events," UNC President Margaret Spellings said in a statement.

"As reflected in long-standing University policy, UNC campuses do not discriminate on the basis of sex, sexual orientation or gender identity, and we are fully committed to being open and welcoming to individuals of all backgrounds.

"We remain caught in the middle of a conflict between state law and federal guidance, and we welcome a speedy resolution of these issues by the court.”

North Carolina's Republican Party slammed the decision, calling it "so absurd, it's almost comical."

"I genuinely look forward to the NCAA merging all men's and women's teams together as singular, unified, unisex teams," spokeswoman Kami Mueller wrote in a statement.

"Under the NCAA's logic, colleges should make cheerleaders and football players share bathrooms, showers and hotel rooms. This decision is an assault to female athletes across the nation."

Two months ago, the National Basketball Association announced it would move its All-Star Game from Charlotte as a protest against the law.

Numerous entertainment acts have also canceled events in the state.

The Human Rights campaign Monday applauded the NCAA's decision.

“The NCAA just sent a clear message to North Carolina Governor Pat McCrory and state lawmakers that it will not tolerate hateful laws targeting student athletes, fans, and employees,” said Chad Griffin, president of the group.

“Every day that HB2 remains on the books, countless people across North Carolina are at risk of real harm. NCAA President Mark Emmert has shown tremendous leadership by taking a bold stand for equality in the face of discrimination. It’s long past time state lawmakers repealed this vile law, and if they don’t, the majority of voters opposed to HB2 will ensure they pay the price in November.”


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/295578-ncaa-pulls-championship-games-out-of-north-carolina-following

[Chinook]

I've already come out on the side of unisex bathrooms. But I think the term "countless" is being used a little liberally there. We're not talking about the number of atoms in the universe here. That law probably hurts 2,000 people a day at most (yes, yes compared to the 0 or near-0 people who would be hurt if the law were repealed).