An Open Rant at Those Who Would Repeal the Second Amendment

[TheSanityAnnex]

Talk is cheap, but persuading Americans to surrender their rights will be expensive, difficult, and time-consuming. A few hours after yesterday’s shooting hit the news, the comedian Rob Delaney penned this tweet: The @NRA & the politicians they own must not know this T. Jefferson quote. The 2nd Amendment is a FUCKING BOY’S COAT. pic.twitter.com/cKR0Nk4Uwm — rob Delaney (@robdelaney) August 26, 2015

For ease of viewing, here is that Jefferson quotation in full (it’s adapted from a July 12, 1816, letter to Samuel Kercheval): I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.

We should be absolutely clear about what Delaney is arguing here: He is a) agreeing with Jefferson that “laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind,” b) contending that “progress” suggests that the individual right to keep and bear arms is now counterproductive, and c) concluding that it is time therefore to make a “change in law and constitution” — in other words, to repeal the Second Amendment. This, it is true, is not a mainstream position on the American Left — at least, it is not one that is argued openly. But it is a reasonably popular one on social media, it has strong support within the more leftward-leaning parts of the political commentariat, it is often implied by the casual manner in which progressives such as President Obama refer to “Australia” and other heavily regulated nations, and it enjoys indirect approval from around one quarter of the American public. When the likes of Rob Delaney and Bill Maher and Keith Ellison say that we need to get rid of the Second Amendment, they are not speaking in a vacuum but reflecting the views of a small but vocal portion of the American population. And they mean it. That being so, here’s the million-dollar question: What the hell are they waiting for? Go on, chaps. Bloody well do it.

Seriously, try it. Start the process. Stop whining about it on Twitter, and on HBO, and at the Daily Kos. Stop playing with some Thomas Jefferson quote you found on Google. Stop jumping on the news cycle and watching the retweets and viral shares rack up. Go out there and begin the movement in earnest. Don’t fall back on excuses. Don’t play cheap motte-and-bailey games. And don’t pretend that you’re okay with the Second Amendment in theory, but you’re just appalled by the Heller decision. You’re not. Heller recognized what was obvious to the amendment’s drafters, to the people who debated it, and to the jurists of their era and beyond: That “right of the people” means “right of the people,” as it does everywhere else in both the Bill of Rights and in the common law that preceded it. A Second Amendment without the supposedly pernicious Heller “interpretation” wouldn’t be any impediment to regulation at all. It would be a dead letter. It would be an effective repeal. It would be the end of the right itself. In other words, it would be exactly what you want! Man up. Put together a plan, and take those words out of the Constitution.

This will involve hard work, of course. You can’t just sit online and preen to those who already agree with you. No siree. Instead, you’ll have to go around the states — traveling and preaching until the soles of your shoes are thin as paper. You’ll have to lobby Congress, over and over and over again. You’ll have to make ads and shake hands and twist arms and cut deals and suffer all the slings and arrows that will be thrown in your direction. You’ll have to tell anybody who will listen to you that they need to support you; that if they disagree, they’re childish and beholden to the “gun lobby”; that they don’t care enough about children; that their reverence for the Founders is mistaken; that they have blood on their goddamn hands; that they want to own firearms only because their penises are small and they’re not “real men.” And remember, you can’t half-ass it this time. You’re not going out there to tell these people that you want “reform” or that “enough is enough.” You’re going there to solicit their support for removing one of the articles within the Bill of Rights. Make no mistake: It’ll be unpleasant strolling into Pittsburgh or Youngstown or Pueblo and telling blue-collar Democrat after blue-collar Democrat that he only has his guns because he’s not as well endowed as he’d like to be. It’ll be tough explaining to suburban families that their established conception of American liberty is wrong. You might even suffer at the polls because of it. But that’s what it’s going to take. So do it. Start now. Off you go.

And don’t stop there. No, no. There’ll still be a lot of work to be done. As anybody with a passing understanding of America’s constitutional system knows, repealing the Second Amendment won’t in and of itself lead to the end of gun ownership in America. Rather, it will merely free up the federal government to regulate the area, should it wish to do so. Next, you’ll need to craft the laws that bring about change — think of them as modern Volstead Acts — and you’ll need to get them past the opposition. And, if the federal government doesn’t immediately go the whole hog, you’ll need to replicate your efforts in the states, too, 45 of which have their own constitutional protections. Maybe New Jersey and California will go quietly. Maybe. But Idaho won’t. Louisiana won’t. Kentucky won’t. Maine won’t. You’ll need to persuade those sovereignties not to sue and drag their heels, but to do what’s right as defined by you. Unfortunately, that won’t involve vague talk of holding “national conversations” and “doing something” and “fighting back against the NRA.” It’ll mean going to all sorts of groups — unions, churches, PTAs, political meetings, bowling leagues — and telling them not that you want “common-sense reforms,” but that you want their guns, as in Australia or Britain or Japan. Obviously, the Republicans aren’t going to help in this, so you’ll need to commandeer the Democratic party to do it. That means you’ll need their presidential candidates on board. That means you’ll need to make full abolition the stated policy of the Senate and House caucuses. That means you’ll need the state parties to sign pledges promising not to back away if it gets tough. And if they won’t, you’ll need to start a third party and accept all that that entails.

And when you’ve done all that and your vision is inked onto parchment, you’ll need to enforce it. No, not in the namby-pamby, eh-we-don’t-really-want-to-fund-it way that Prohibition was enforced. I mean enforce it — with force. When Australia took its decision to Do Something, the Australian citizenry owned between 2 and 3 million guns. Despite the compliance of the people and the lack of an entrenched gun culture, the government got maybe three-quarters of a million of them — somewhere between a fifth and a third of the total. That wouldn’t be good enough here, of course. There are around 350 million privately owned guns in America, which means that if you picked up one in three, you’d only be returning the stock to where it was in 1994. Does that sound difficult? Sure! After all, this is a country of 330 million people spread out across 3.8 million square miles, and if we know one thing about the American people, it’s that they do not go quietly into the night. But the government has to have their guns. It has to. The Second Amendment has to go.

You’re going to need a plan. A state-by-state, county-by-county, street-by-street, door-to door plan. A detailed roadmap to abolition that involves the military and the police and a whole host of informants — and, probably, a hell of a lot of blood, too. Sure, the ACLU won’t like it, especially when you start going around poorer neighborhoods. Sure, there are probably between 20 and 30 million Americans who would rather fight a civil war than let you into their houses. Sure, there is no historical precedent in America for the mass confiscation of a commonly owned item — let alone one that was until recently constitutionally protected. Sure, it’s slightly odd that you think that we can’t deport 11 million people but we can search 123 million homes. But that’s just the price we have to pay. Times have changed. It has to be done: For the children; for America; for the future. Hey hey, ho ho, the Second Amendment has to go. Let’s do this thing.

When do you get started?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423183/rant-second-amendment-repeal

[ChumpDumper]

What a whiny little bitch.

[boutons_deux]

repeal?

:lol typical gun fellator straw man :lol

repeal 2nd amendment? confiscate guns? take my precious guns? :lol

all bullshit strawmen! :lol

who are "those" repealers? :lol

holy fucking shit, you gun fellators are bullshit frauds

[boutons_deux]

The Second Amendment’s Fake History
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/10/07/the-second-amendments-fake-history/

[Blizzardwizard]

'persuading Americans to surrender their rights' :lol

Muh right to kill with muh shotgun :cry!

[Blizzardwizard]

" But the government has to have their guns. It has to. The Second Amendment has to go."

:lmao This butthurt bitch sounding like a whiny teenager with their constant sarcasm.

"FUCKING GOD DAMN BIG GOVERNMENT I HATE YOU DANG GUM!"


:lmao

[Blizzardwizard]

"This will involve hard work, of course. You can’t just sit online and preen to those who already agree with you."

The hypocrisy :lmao

[spurraider21]

a lot of salt itt

[ChumpDumper]

Meh, the first change would probably come from the Supreme Court. 2nd Amendment rights aren't unlimited.

[Clipper Nation]

a lot of salt itt
Yep, lots of cucks letting out their impotent rage.

[Blizzardwizard]

Yep, lots of cucks letting out their impotent rage.

Speaking of cucks, I hear Quick is starting the next game for the Kings again. When will Sutter get some balls and bench him?

[boutons_deux]

NRA ad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2&v=SwEyBItsXkw

[Clipper Nation]

Speaking of cucks, I hear Quick is starting the next game for the Kings again. When will Sutter get some balls and bench him?

As soon as the Sharts bench the Cupless wonders Choke Thornton and Gagtrick Marchoke. :downspin:

[Splits]

"A well regulated...."

[TeyshaBlue]

Speaking of cucks, I hear Quick is starting the next game for the Kings again. When will Sutter get some balls and bench him?

:lmao

[DMX7]

"A well regulated...."

truth bomb

[boutons_deux]

"... militia"

:lol

... citizen military for defending against threats from slave uprisings, whisky rebels, Indians, foreign nations.

NOT for defending citizens from the US govt. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Cocks Not Glocks: University Of Texas Students Plan Provocative Protest Of New Campus Carry Law

Students at the University Of Texas at Austin are planning to protest a new law that permits the concealed carry of handguns on campus — with dildos (https://www.facebook.com/events/1686524198249678/).

The “campus carry” law passed by the Texas legislature and signed by the Governor in June, requires UT Austin and the other campuses in the UT system to allow students to carry guns on campus (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/us/texas-campus-carry-law/). It gives the schools some discretion on how to implement the law.

The protest is designed to draw attention to the fact that carrying a dildo to class could be “prohibited expression” under university rules. The rules prohibit “any writing or visual image, or engage in any public performance, that is obscene (http://catalog.utexas.edu/general-information/appendices/appendix-c/speech-expression-and-assembly/).”

“You’re carrying a gun to class? Yeah well I’m carrying a HUGE DILDO. Just about as effective at protecting us from sociopathic shooters, but much safer for recreational play,” the organizer, Jessica Jin, wrote.

On Facebook, 1,800 people have registered for the event, which is scheduled for next August when the law goes into effect.
http://cdn.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/11141300/Screen-Shot-2015-10-11-at-1.51.23-PM.png
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/11/3711527/cocks-not-glocks-university-of-texas-students-plan-provocative-protest-of-new-campus-carry-law/

[Clipper Nation]

"A well regulated...."

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:


1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."


1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."


1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."



1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."


1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."


1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."


The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.


http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

[Clipper Nation]

"... militia"

:lol

... citizen military for defending against threats from slave uprisings, whisky rebels, Indians, foreign nations.

NOT for defending citizens from the US govt. :lol

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliott, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

[boutons_deux]

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."


1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."


1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."



1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."


1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."


1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."


The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.


http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

.... rightwingnut gun fellators are lying to ya, rightwingnut.

there's no rational fucking way to read the 2nd as blocking the govt from regulating guns.

[m>s]

Yup In colonial times speak, a "well regulated militia" means a well armed populace

[m>s]

.... rightwingnut gun fellators are lying to ya, rightwingnut.

there's no rational fucking way to read the 2nd As blocking the govt from regulating guns.
I'm amazed at how relentlessly you people keep trying to push this nation to the brink. You know how this all ends don't you? The people are well prepared for such a contingency should it become necessary. Keep in mind all records will become public. Voting records, ties to communist activist groups, all of it.

[ChumpDumper]

Yup In colonial times speak, a "well regulated militia" means a well armed populaceNo, it actually meant a well regulated militia.

George Washington was adjunct General of the Virginia militia in the 1750s.

That's where they got it from. They didn't make a new definition for gun nuts to use 200 years later.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm amazed at how relentlessly you people keep trying to push this nation to the brink. You know how this all ends don't you? The people are well prepared for such a contingency should it become necessary. Keep in mind all records will become public. Voting records, ties to communist activist groups, all of it.And then what?

What are you saying will happen to boutons?

[Clipper Nation]

.... rightwingnut gun fellators are lying to ya, rightwingnut.
Ah yes, those notable "rightwingnut gun fellators" at the Oxford English Dictionary.

[boutons_deux]

Ah yes, those notable "rightwingnut gun fellators" at the Oxford English Dictionary.

no, the extreme right wing assholes at constitution.org.

"we hate govt, we don't want ANY gun regulations by govt, THEREFORE, the 2nd Amendment proves NO GUN REGULATION as the original intent of the Constitution writers."

[m>s]

No, it actually meant a well regulated militia.

George Washington was adjunct General of the Virginia militia in the 1750s.

That's where they got it from. They didn't make a new definition for gun nuts to use 200 years later.
No they just used the accepted definitions at the time, see CN's post. A well regulated militia in those days meant a well armed populace.

[Clipper Nation]

no, the extreme right wing assholes at constitution.org.

"we hate govt, we don't want ANY gun regulations by govt, THEREFORE, the 2nd Amendment proves NO GUN REGULATION as the original intent of the Constitution writers."
They were quoting directly from the dictionary at the time of the Constitution's writing. Stay salty, Boutards.

[ChumpDumper]

No they just used the accepted definitions at the time, see CN's post. A well regulated militia in those days meant a well armed populace.Yeah, the accepted definition like the one for the militia Washington commanded.

See history.

If they just meant random dirtbags with guns they would have said random dirtbags with guns. They said well regulated militia.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.truthdig.com/images/made/images/cartoonuploads/cbe1005cd_500_336.jpg

[boutons_deux]

They were quoting directly from the dictionary at the time of the Constitution's writing. Stay salty, Boutards.

for you rightwingnut gun fellators and the gun-profit-pushing assholes who dictate your bullshit, "well regulated militia" means "govt absolutely cannot regulate guns" :lol

[boutons_deux]

you motherfucking gun fellators are clinically mentally ill, and live with blood on your hands, 90 guns deaths per day.

"Upon learning of the President’s intended visit to express something lacking in Americans, compassion, a gun-loving group decided to issue a warning (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/roseburg-resident-obama-not-welcome-here-to-stand-on-the-corpses-of-our-loved-ones/) to the President of the United States that not only was he not welcomed (http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38588/roseburg-crazy-leaders-obama/) in their community, if he did show up, they were showing up armed and dangerous to protest his compassionate visit with the families grieving the loss of their loved ones.

Throughout the week, gun freaks warned the President not to comfort the aggrieved and not to dare set foot in Roseburg because they love guns and could not care less about the victims of another gun massacre.

The local gun maniacs followed through on their threat.

It was reported around the world that seriously sick gun-nuts hadgathered (http://www.ibtimes.com/obama-oregon-visit-confederate-flags-armed-protesters-greet-presidents-meeting-2135722) with hundreds of other armed protesters to rail against the President of the United States’ for having the temerity to meet with, and comfort, the grieving families.

The gun fanatics are very, very angry and claim the President rushed to “politicize” the tragedy by seeking a political remedy that may prevent the next group of parents from suffering the actions of yet another gun zealot’s murderous rampage.

Apparently, even talking about what is needed to stop the mass shooting epidemic ravaging America is sufficient to elicit hate from compassionless gun lovers."

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/10/11/barbaric-oregon-gun-zealots-politicize-presidential-meeting-comfort-grieving-families.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[m>s]

Mf'er fellator blah blah was there a coherent thought in all that mess

[boutons_deux]

and the ignorant low-wage, low-education dumbfucks who watch only Fox swallow this shit as Bible truth. Blaming the victims is so much more fun when the victims are incinerated JEWS

Ted Cruz's Favorite Gun Lobbyist Says If Jews "Had That Determination To Fight" The Holocaust "Might Have Been An Entirely Different Story"


http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2015/06/02/larryprattfoxandfriends.jpg


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/10/13/ted-cruzs-favorite-gun-lobbyist-says-if-jews-ha/206110

[boutons_deux]

http://otherwords.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gun-rights-fanaticism-otherwords-cartoon-600x453.jpg

[m>s]

Keep calling patriots terrorists

[boutons_deux]

The NRA is finally put on notice: Gun shop held liable for illegal gun sale

“Where you have gun shops knowingly giving guns to criminals or aiding and abetting that, of course we should take action,” Sanders said, conceding to a change in opinion on gun shop owners’ liability in gun crimes.

Well, hours before Sanders made his comments on the Las Vegas debate stage, a Wisconsin jury did just that, finding a Milwaukee area gun shop negligent in the sale of a gun used to shoot two Milwaukee police officers back in 2009.

Badger Guns, then known as Badger Outdoors, was once the top seller of guns later used in crimes in the whole country — selling 537 guns that were recovered from crime scenes in 2005 alone, according (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/badger-guns-found-liable-negligence-milwaukee-police-shooting-n443951) to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/14/the_nra_is_finally_put_on_notice_gun_shop_held_lia ble_for_illegal_gun_sale/

the gun used to kill 2 cops sitting in a car in NYC? sold by GA backwoods dealers known to BATFE as source for guns used in crimes.

[boutons_deux]

A new study finds 110 US children die in accidental shootings each year


https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/YhzrQTG8Wm1m4WJOv8LArwEPvDA=/0x82:2039x1441/755x504/filters:format(webp)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/47429844/73880162.0.jpg

A new study (http://www.injepijournal.com/content/2/1/26) suggests something like this happens quite often in the US: 110 American children ages 0 to 14 die in accidental shootings each year. What's worse, the researchers found this estimate was 80 percent higher than federal data from the National Vital Statistics System previously suggested. So not only do these tragedies happen quite often, but oftentimes the federal data doesn't even pick up on the accidents.

RelatedAmerica's gun problem, explained (http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun-violence-united-states-america)

Using data from the National Violent Death Reporting System on unintentional firearm deaths for children ages 0 to 14, researchers David Hemenway and Sara Solnick looked at 16 states from 2005 to 2012 and extrapolated their findings to the entire US. (This, researchers note, is the study's biggest weakness: The system doesn't have data for all 50 states, but the 16 analyzed states varied in demographics and appeared to be fairly representative of the US as a whole.)

The study found the victims of gun accidents were boys 81 percent of the time. In about two-thirds of cases, the victim was shot by someone else. In those cases, 97 percent of the time the shooter was male. And more than 90 percent of the time, the shooter was family or a friend. About 19 percent of victims were shot in the homes of friends, and 11 percent of deaths involved hunting. It was very rare for an adult who's not a family member to be accidentally shot by or accidentally shoot a child.

Time and time again, the shootings followed a similar pattern: A child found a parent's stray gun, played with it, and accidentally fired it, killing himself or a bystander. It's an absolute tragedy, one that could be easily prevented if firearms were stored more safely.

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/15/9539263/children-die-accidental-shootings

gun rights trumps kids' right to live

[RandomGuy]

repeal?

:lol typical gun fellator straw man :lol

repeal 2nd amendment? confiscate guns? take my precious guns? :lol

all bullshit strawmen! :lol

who are "those" repealers? :lol

holy fucking shit, you gun fellators are bullshit frauds

I would be happy to repeal it, given the chance.

What I think is funny though, is that the author seems to think that the federal government can't regulate guns already. The 2nd amendment is no more absolute than the first, and there are plenty of restrictions on even that right.

That said, it is not a winner of an idea, and not worth attempting. Too many people worship guns in such a bizarre way. Guns have morphed from tools to totems, waved around at ill-defined enemies.

(edit)

At this point guns are some peoples binkies. They act like children needing them, and whine, pout, and throw tantrums when it is even suggested that maybe, just maybe, you might want to limit it.

http://admin.mommypage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/pacifier.jpg

[boutons_deux]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LORVfnFtcH0

[boutons_deux]

People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/10/toddlers-1.png&w=1484


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/10/toddlers-22.png&w=1484

Shootings by toddlers have happened in 24 states so far this year.

Missouri has seen the most, with five separate incidents.

Florida has had four.

Texas, three.

Due to the low number of total cases and the isolated nature of these incidents I'd caution against drawing broad conclusions from the map above. But it is worth noting that the shootings don't necessarily follow broader population trends. California, the most populous state in the nation, hasn't had any. Nobody has been shot by a toddler in New England or the Upper Midwest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/?utm_source=nextdraft&utm_medium=email&ncid=newsltushpmg00000003

[TheSanityAnnex]

People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/10/toddlers-1.png&w=1484


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/10/toddlers-22.png&w=1484

Shootings by toddlers have happened in 24 states so far this year.

Missouri has seen the most, with five separate incidents.

Florida has had four.

Texas, three.

Due to the low number of total cases and the isolated nature of these incidents I'd caution against drawing broad conclusions from the map above. But it is worth noting that the shootings don't necessarily follow broader population trends. California, the most populous state in the nation, hasn't had any. Nobody has been shot by a toddler in New England or the Upper Midwest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/?utm_source=nextdraft&utm_medium=email&ncid=newsltushpmg00000003



What will you be doing personally to stop this?

[Splits]

What will you be doing personally to stop this?

Not owning a gun

Voting for people who want to take away your guns

What are you going to do?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not owning a gun

Voting for people who want to take away your guns

What are you going to do?

I don't need to do anything. I'm content with owning lots of guns and not letting children shoot themselves in my home.

[TheSanityAnnex]

People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/10/toddlers-1.png&w=1484


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/10/toddlers-22.png&w=1484

Shootings by toddlers have happened in 24 states so far this year.

Missouri has seen the most, with five separate incidents.

Florida has had four.

Texas, three.

Due to the low number of total cases and the isolated nature of these incidents I'd caution against drawing broad conclusions from the map above. But it is worth noting that the shootings don't necessarily follow broader population trends. California, the most populous state in the nation, hasn't had any. Nobody has been shot by a toddler in New England or the Upper Midwest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/?utm_source=nextdraft&utm_medium=email&ncid=newsltushpmg00000003



http://www.cdc.gov/injury/images/lc-charts/leading_causes_of_injury_deaths_highlighting_unint entional_injury_2013-a.gif

[Adam Lambert]

repealing the 2nd amendment or banning guns would probably create too many problems

the real answer is social pressure

the fact is, people are coming to realize that being a gun-worshiping nut job who:

talks about his guns endlessly,
shows off his guns to all of his friends when they come over,
sleeps with a gun beside his bed in case he has to go g.i.joe on a burglar,
puts COME TAKE MY GUNS bumper stickers on the back of his truck,
mounts dead animals on his wall after paying good money to have them preserved so they can hang on the wall

is not something to be proud of. in fact, it makes you pathetic

someday carrying a gun will be like being a smoker. we'll probably never get rid of all of them, just like there will always be smokers, but at least they'll keep their fucking mouths shut about it and have some sense of shame. this will drive down the demand of guns so it's hopefully not such a lucrative industry helped out by a bunch of senseless zombie sheep buying what they're told to buy because they're scared of what they're told to be scared of. sure, you'll still have your rural trailer trash and urban thug-wannabes who find a way to get their hands on guns, but eventually costs will be prohibitive and the scumbags who profit from guns will move on to selling something else to stupid people.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/images/lc-charts/leading_causes_of_injury_deaths_highlighting_unint entional_injury_2013-a.gif

so gun deaths, injuries are insignificant compared with other causes, so don't make new gun regs, don't enforce current gun regs, continue, even increase, the gun slaughter??

[Splits]

I don't need to do anything. I'm content with owning lots of guns and letting hundreds of children shoot themselves and others each year because I'm a compassion-less dickface who only cares about myself

[TheSanityAnnex]

so gun deaths, injuries are insignificant compared with other causes, so don't make new gun regs, don't enforce current gun regs, continue, even increase, the gun slaughter??

I've been all for enforcing current gun regs you know that I've said it numerous times. Just pointing out how far down the list these accidents are compared to more common ones.

[boutons_deux]

I've been all for enforcing current gun regs you know that I've said it numerous times. Just pointing out how far down the list these accidents are compared to more common ones.

.... to minimize the daily gun slaughter.

[TheSanityAnnex]

My compassion for children is so far reaching I've managed to have a grand total of zero shoot themselves in my home.

[TheSanityAnnex]

.... to minimize the daily gun slaughter.

You should focus your efforts on accidental suffocation and make more of an impact on their lives.

[Adam Lambert]

My compassion for children is so far reaching I've managed to have a grand total of zero shoot themselves in my home.

congrats brah bet you use the same argument in defense of your child porn collection

but but i've never taken advantage of a child

[TheSanityAnnex]

congrats brah bet you use the same argument in defense of your child porn collection

but but i've never taken advantage of a child

try harder to be unfunny next time under your real account

[Adam Lambert]

try harder to be unfunny next time under your real account

lol is that what you assume when someone doesn't spend every day here and rack up 16 thousand posts? ok noted

but i'm serious. when you buy guns you help an industry that profits on death. when you trade in child porn, you help an industry that profits on using kids in disgusting ways.

gun collectors are the scum of the earth. you don't need a closet of guns for protection or for hunting.























(don't be offended if i don't respond, i don't live on this forum)

[boutons_deux]

“Ammo’s expensive. Don’t waste a bullet on a warning shot”: Watch Sarah Palin preach to the NRA in a new film about gun control and Christianity

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/16/ammos_expensive_dont_waste_a_bullet_on_a_warning_s hot_watch_sarah_palin_preach_to_the_nra_in_a_new_f ilm_about_gun_control_and_christianity/

[SpursforSix]

“Ammo’s expensive. Don’t waste a bullet on a warning shot”: Watch Sarah Palin preach to the NRA in a new film about gun control and Christianity

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/16/ammos_expensive_dont_waste_a_bullet_on_a_warning_s hot_watch_sarah_palin_preach_to_the_nra_in_a_new_f ilm_about_gun_control_and_christianity/



I get the brown, pink, and yellow babies. But who does the green represent?

[boutons_deux]

Hillary Clinton, Calling Out the N.R.A., Gets a Quick Reply (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/16/hillary-clinton-calling-out-the-n-r-a-gets-a-quick-reply/)

Hillary Rodham Clinton has promised to take on the National Rifle Association in aggressively pressing for gun control measures that have eluded the Obama administration. On Friday, the powerful lobbying group gave her a fight.

It accused Mrs. Clinton of supporting “gun confiscation,” after she expressed interest in a gun buyback program that led to the elimination of the majority of Australia’s firearms.

In a statement, Chris Cox, the N.R.A.’s chief lobbyist, said that Mrs. Clinton’s comments validated the fears of gun owners and that her “extreme views are completely out of touch with the American people.”

“The real goal of gun control supporters is gun confiscation,” :lol Mr. Cox said. “Hillary Clinton, echoing President Obama’s recent remarks on the same issue, made that very clear.”

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/16/hillary-clinton-calling-out-the-n-r-a-gets-a-quick-reply/

:lol You NRA-fellators, gun-fellators are so fucking stupid with your transparent straw men, red herrings, and outright LIES. :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Finally scored some 16 guage shells! These suckers are hard to come by.
#zombieapocalypsesafe
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/Mobile%20Uploads/20151011_150921_zpsnegcj5e5.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/teyshablue/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20151011_150921_zpsnegcj5e5.jpg.html)

[Aztecfan03]

Has no one posted salon's (not really sure how to describe it. I guess idiotic is the best word for it) suggestion? http://www.salon.com/2015/10/16/want_a_gun_take_a_bullet_new_rule_before_you_pack_ heat_you_will_know_what_it_feels_like_to_be_shot/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

[JoeChalupa]

Nobody has proposed such a thing.

[boutons_deux]

Has no one posted salon's (not really sure how to describe it. I guess idiotic is the best word for it) suggestion? http://www.salon.com/2015/10/16/want_a_gun_take_a_bullet_new_rule_before_you_pack_ heat_you_will_know_what_it_feels_like_to_be_shot/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Like the dickless gun fellators cheering the "all volunteer military" to waste THEIR lives in Repug wars, gun fellators always assume, as in Hollywood or TeeVee, only the Bad Guys die.

[m>s]

kiss my ass commies, expect the worst drubbing you've ever had next november

[Splits]

Police say Idaho teen accidentally shot, killed 15-year-old


BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Police say an 18-year-old man in Idaho accidentally shot and killed a 15-year-old boy while playing with a gun he believed was unloaded.
KBOI-TV reports (http://bit.ly/1hN6hfd) that police say the older teen pointed the handgun at the boy’s head and pulled the trigger, not realizing it was loaded.

Meridian police say they found the 15-year-old with a gunshot wound and at first believed he had committed suicide.

Officers say several people were in the room when the shooting occurred, all of them smoking marijuana and drinking alcohol. Police say they began playing with two handguns, which eventually led to the accidental shooting.

Police say at least two other adults were in the home when the shooting happened. The 18-year-old has been charged with involuntary manslaughter.

[Splits]

Neighbor of child killed in accidental shooting speaks

PAULDING COUNTY, Ga. —

The neighbor of an eight-year-old girl killed in an accidental shooting at her Paulding County home is sharing his thoughts.

Ahue Sims told Channel 2's Tyisha Fernandes the girl, who police say was accidentally shot and killed by her mother, used to sit on his porch.

"She would come every once in a while with another kid and have ice cream," Sims said.

Police say the shooting happened around 5 p.m., and they're confident it was an accident.

According to investigators, the mother was doing her youngest daughter's hair when a gun fell to the floor and fired one bullet.

The bullet went through the mother's leg and into the child's head.

Police say the girl died before they could airlift her to a hospital.

"If just makes you want to tell everybody to put the guns down, put the guns down," Sims said.

The girl's 45-year-old mother is recovering after surgery.

Sims said the mother still has three children to raise.

"My whole church is praying for her," Sims said.

[m>s]

Kiss my ass commies, you'll never get the guns. You know why commies are so anti gun? They need a disarmed populace to achieve their communist revolution. Ain't happening on my watch.

[boutons_deux]

Most Americans Now Support Stricter Gun Control Laws
http://www.motherjones.com/files/Gun%20Control%20Graph.jpg

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/most-americans-now-support-stricter-gun-control-laws

What Americans "want" is irrelevant. The NRA/gun-industry decides want America obtains.

LaPierre must have a beer every time an American kid or baby is killed by guns

[Splits]

Salina police investigate accidental shooting in theater
POSTED: 11:27 PM CDT Oct 16, 2015 UPDATED: 10:10 PM CDT Oct 17, 2015


It happened inside a movie theatre at Central Mall during a showing Friday night.

Police say the shooting was accidental.


Witnesses it happened 45 minutes into the movie.


"At first what popped into my mind was that someone popped a bag of candy or something and goofing off or something," said Heather Myers, who was inside the theatre when the shooting happened.


Then seconds later, a man sitting three rows behind Heather and her husband Domenic, yells out for help.


"This guy started shouting 'Oh my God, I just shot myself! I just got my concealed and carry,' :lol and then everybody jumped up and that's when we heard call 9-11.


According to Salina police, the man accidentally shot himself once in the leg.


"You could feel the concussion of the shot," Domenic said. "I mean you know being in a movie theatre it's a surreal situation, and I don't believe anybody really expects it to be a gunshot."


"As soon as it registered and I realized it was a gun, it scared me," Heather said.


The couple said they support the state's current law which went into effect July 1, allowing gun owners to conceal and carry without requiring any training or having a permit.


"I believe in protecting yourself, but it is scary knowing they're in public places," Heather said. "I feel absolutely terrible for the gentleman that shot himself, but the first thing I thought of was thank God he didn't shoot anybody else."


We went to the theatre where this happened, and while the theatre itself didn't have signs posted, the mall where it's located had signs on the doors prohibiting guns from being taken inside.


Police said no evacuation was ordered because they treated the situation as a medical emergency.


No one else at the theatre was hurt.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Can you link that poorly written article so I can laugh at whatever blog hired this hack. ducks has better writing skills.

[Splits]

Its local news station, not a blog. Funny you find the writing funny and not yet another example of careless, legal CCW pussy.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Its local news station, not a blog. Funny you find the writing funny and not yet another example of careless, legal CCW pussy.

Link? :lol

[Splits]

Link? :lol

Are you that fucking stupid?

1) Copy article title
2) Paste into Google
3) It's the very first link. Magic!

http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/salina-police-investigate-theater-shooting/35892080

[TheSanityAnnex]

Are you that fucking stupid?

1) Copy article title
2) Paste into Google
3) It's the very first link. Magic!

http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/salina-police-investigate-theater-shooting/35892080
KWCH "expect more" :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Or just post the fucking link.


It's easy.

www.kron4.com/2015/05/04/2-home-invasion-robbery-suspects-shot-killed-friday-identified

[Splits]

Or just post the fucking link.


It's easy.

www.kron4.com/2015/05/04/2-home-invasion-robbery-suspects-shot-killed-friday-identified (http://www.kron4.com/2015/05/04/2-home-invasion-robbery-suspects-shot-killed-friday-identified)

Oh look, an article from 6 months ago!

[Splits]

KWCH "expect more" :lol


'Oh my God, I just shot myself! I just got my concealed and carry,' :lmao

you fucking gun nut losers are so predictable. I know in the not too distant future TSA will just stop posting because he/she/it either killed himself or is in jail for killing someone else :lol

[Quetzal-X]

Getting that CC is easier than getting a Rec for MMJ in Cali.

[TeyshaBlue]

Oh look, an article from 6 months ago!

Non sequitur. I'm not croutons with a tuned moonbat rss feed telling me what to think.
Should I post a hundred other links for your perusal? :rolleyes
I'll pass.

[Splits]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/tombstone-two-people-hit-bullets-gunfight-re-enactment-arizona?CMP=share_btn_tw I mean, you just can't make this shit up. We're a country if fucking idiots.

[TheSanityAnnex]

'Oh my God, I just shot myself! I just got my concealed and carry,' :lmao

you fucking gun nut losers are so predictable. I know in the not too distant future TSA will just stop posting because he/she/it either killed himself or is in jail for killing someone else :lol
Put your money where your mouth is. Kori can hold the money for whatever length you specify.

[Splits]

Good to know that the great US of A isn't the only country in the world with idiots with guns :lmao

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/20/norwegian-hunter-shoots-two-large-moose-then-realizes-they-were-in-a-zoo/?tid=sm_tw


Norwegian hunter shoots two large moose — then realizes they were in a zoo


Majestic creatures abound at the Polar Park Arctic Wildlife Center in northern Norway, where lynx, wolves and bears inhabit a large expanse that on first glance appears to be pure wilderness.

“More than a traditional zoo,” the park styles itself as a natural habitat meant to give visitors genuine encounters with the Norwegian outdoors above the Arctic Circle.

Now, it seems this design may have proven a little too convincing.

Earlier this month, CNN reports (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/europe/norway-hunter-shoots-elk-zoo/), a hunting party with specially trained dogs came to the boundary of the park on the lookout for moose. One of the dogs followed the animals’ scent underneath a fence, inciting a hunter to take a shot in the same direction.

What he didn’t realize was that he was shooting through a fence into the Polar Park’s wooded moose enclosure.


Fucking gun nuts

[Splits]

Put your money where your mouth is. Kori can hold the money for whatever length you specify.

How about I bet you Kori doesn't own this site on Jan 1, 2016?

[Splits]

8-year accidentally shot by mom (http://www.foxsanantonio.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/8year-accidentally-shot-mom-16909.shtml#.Vivl4KRExxU)


Updated: Saturday, October 24 2015, 01:31 PM CDT

SAN ANTONIO – An 8-year-old boy was accidentally shot by his mother at their West Side home.

The shooting happened around 10 p.m. Friday at a home on Canterbury Drive, near Culebra and Callaghan. Police say the mom was cleaning the gun when it accidentally went off. The bullet hit her son in the right leg.

The boy was taken to University Hospital in stable condition.

Police say since the shooting was an accident, no charges would be filed against the mother.

No charges? No reckless endangerment?

[m>s]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/tombstone-two-people-hit-bullets-gunfight-re-enactment-arizona?CMP=share_btn_tw I mean, you just can't make this shit up. We're a country if fucking idiots.
Then fuck off so place else. For a bunch of idiots we sure do better than anyone else.

[Splits]

Then fuck off so place else. For a bunch of idiots we sure do better than anyone else.

Better at what? Killing people? Wealth discrepancy? Not properly educating our kids? We don't lead at anything but bombing brown people, mass incarceration, and gun deaths.

[Clipper Nation]

Better at what? Killing people? Wealth discrepancy? Not properly educating our kids? We don't lead at anything but bombing brown people, mass incarceration, and gun deaths.
#CuckTears

[TheSanityAnnex]

Better at what? Killing people? Wealth discrepancy? Not properly educating our kids? We don't lead at anything but bombing brown people, mass incarceration, and gun deaths.
:cry forced to live here :cry

[Splits]

Child second amendmented playing in football game:

http://wreg.com/2015/10/24/child-shot-at-forrest-city-football-game/

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/images/lc-charts/leading_causes_of_injury_deaths_highlighting_unint entional_injury_2013-a.gif

[TheSanityAnnex]

The suffocation and drowning needs more outrage

[boutons_deux]

The suffocation and drowning needs more outrage

GFY

if they were murders, yes.

Accidents, of any kind, have nothing to do with police murdering citizens.

[TheSanityAnnex]

GFY

if they were murders, yes.

Accidents, of any kind, have nothing to do with police murdering citizens.
Take your meds and figure out what thread you are in you fucking dipshit.

[Splits]

The suffocation and drowning needs more outrage

people can't live without air and water, they can without WMD

[boutons_deux]

Take your meds and figure out what thread you are in you fucking dipshit.

:lol typically irrelevant bullshit from TSA, after I bitch slap you.

Police murders of citizens and accidental deaths are totally unrelated, except in you gun-fellatin, cop-sucking righwingnuts' "logic".

[Splits]

Man accidentally second amendmented, 4 kids to grow up without a father:


Police investigating Chesterfield father's death as accidental shooting (http://www.nbc12.com/story/30349672/police-chesterfield-father-killed-by-accidental-gunshot)Posted: Oct 26, 2015 11:15 AM EDT

CHESTERFIELD, VA (WWBT) -
Chesterfield police are investigating the death of a Chesterfield father of four as an accidental shooting, investigators said Monday.
The victim's father-in-law identified him as Nick Clavier. He was driving with his four children (http://www.nbc12.com/story/30342076/police-man-found-shot-inside-car-in-chesterfield) on Hull Street Road around 1:17 p.m. on Saturday, according to Chesterfield Police. Somehow, a gun went off striking Clavier, 32, and sending his car into a wooded area near the Cross Pointe Church of the Nazarene, police said. Clavier died Sunday from his wounds.The four children in the car were uninjured.

[RandomGuy]

kiss my ass commies, expect the worst drubbing you've ever had next november

GOP only really does well in low turnout elections. Presidential races draw more Dems out.

[Splits]

Another child second amendmented:


2-year-old toddler shot, killed in Henderson County (http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2015/10/26/2-year-old-toddler-shot-henderson-county/74618766/)

11:25 a.m. EDT October 26, 2015

A 2-year-old girl died after sustaining a shotgun wound this morning in Henderson County in what appears to be an accidental shooting, according to Major Frank Stout of the Henderson County Sheriff's Office.

"We got a call little after 9 a.m., a 911 call," Stout said. "We responded to scene, and there was a 2-year-old child there. They transported the child by ambulance to Mission Hospital. We're socked in with fog and rain down here this morning, and the MAMA helicopter could not get in."

The girl was shot in the "upper extremities," Stout said, and "there was some indication of life for them to have transported (the child)."

Police are investigating at the home where the shooting occurred, on Golden Eagle Way off Crab Creek Road in the southwestern part of the county.

Asked if anyone else was home at the time of the shooting, Stout said, "That is part of what we're trying to find out. We're searching to get the answers to that."
Check back at Citizen-Times.com later, as more details become available.

In 2015, 582 children ages 11 and under died from gunshots wounds in America, according to the nonprofit Gun Violence Archive. Additionally, 2,151 children ages 12-17 were killed. In all, 1,533 accidental shooting deaths have occurred.

[Splits]

Dog second amendments owner:


Dog named Trigger shoots owner during Indiana waterfowl hunt (http://host.madison.com/news/top-news/dog-named-trigger-shoots-owner-during-indiana-waterfowl-hunt/article_dbd56764-768c-58ad-b1f0-26836974c993.html)


NORTH WEBSTER, Ind. (AP) — Authorities say a northern Indiana woman is recovering after being shot in the foot by her dog.
And the dog's name? Trigger.

Indiana Conservation Officer Jonathon Boyd says 25-year-old Allie Carter of Avilla laid her 12-gauge shotgun on the ground without the safety on during a waterfowl hunt Saturday at Tri-County Fish and Wildlife Area.

Boyd says Carter's chocolate Labrador retriever, Trigger, stepped on top of the shotgun and depressed the trigger.

He says Carter was shot in the left foot at point-blank range, suffering injuries to her foot and toes. She was treated at two hospitals and released.

Tri-County Fish and Wildlife Area is about 140 miles north of Indianapolis.

[boutons_deux]

The Concealed-Carry Fantasy


The more that sensational gun violence afflicts the nation, the more that the myth of the vigilant citizen packing a legally permitted concealed weapon (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/03/opinion/a-sensible-question-for-gun-owners.html), fully prepared to stop the next mass shooter in his tracks, is promoted.

This foolhardy notion of quick-draw resistance, however, is dramatically contradicted by a research project (http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf) showing that, since 2007, at least 763 people have been killed in 579 shootings that did not involve self-defense.

Tellingly, the vast majority of these concealed-carry, licensed shooters killed themselves or others rather than taking down a perpetrator.

The death toll includes 29 mass (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html)killings (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html) of three or more people by concealed carry shooters who took 139 lives;

17 police officers shot to death, and — in the ultimate contradiction of concealed carry as a personal safety factor —

223 suicides.

Compared with the 579 non-self-defense, concealed-carry shootings (http://concealedcarrykillers.org/), there were only 21 cases in which self-defense was determined to be a factor.

The tally by the Violence Policy Center, a gun safety group, is necessarily incomplete because the gun lobby (http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/20/a-governor-faces-down-the-gun-lobby/) has been so successful in persuading gullible state and national legislators that concealed carry is essential to public safety, thus blocking the extensive (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/26guns.html)data collection (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/26guns.html) that should be mandatory for an obvious andsevere public health problem (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/opinion/concealed-carrys-body-count.html). For that reason, the center has been forced to rely largely on news accounts and limited data in 38 states and the District of Columbia.

More complete research, unimpeded by the gun lobby, would undoubtedly uncover a higher death toll. But this truly vital information is kept largely from the public. A Gallup poll this month found 56 percent of Americans said the nation would be safer if more people carried concealed weapons.

(http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/26/opinion/the-concealed-carry-fantasy.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region#story-continues-3)Clearly, concealed carry does not transform ordinary citizens into superheroes (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/opinion/gail-collins-guns-in-your-face.html). Rather, it compounds the risks to innocent lives, particularly as state legislatures, bowing to the gun lobby, invite more citizens to venture out naïvely with firearms in more and more public places, including restaurants, churches (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/us/church-attacked-in-charleston-south-carolina.html) and schools (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/us/as-campus-fears-rise-so-do-efforts-to-enact-school-gun-laws.html).

College campuses (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/opinion/sunday/campus-life-and-guns.html) are the latest goal for the gun lobby — a perverse marketing campaign (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/19/us/in-bid-to-allow-guns-on-campus-weapons-are-linked-to-fighting-sexual-assault.html)after the gun massacre that took 10 lives this month at a community college in Oregon (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-umpqua-community-college.html).

Recent concealed-carry excesses include legal shooters charged by the police with recklessly pegging a few wild shots at shoplifters (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/woman-in-michigan-charged-after-shooting-at-fleeing-shoplifters.html) and other nonviolent suspects they see fleeing on public streets.

This is dangerous vigilantism that endangers communities, the police warn, not the mythic self-defense being peddled as concealed carry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/26/opinion/the-concealed-carry-fantasy.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

1000s of guns in college students' hands, what could possible go wrong? NRA is fucking America, unstoppably, for the profit of the gun industry, NOT for 2nd Amendment.

[Clipper Nation]

Gun crimes continue to decline...

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

...even as gun ownership increases:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/04/gun-ownership-by-the-numbers/

[boutons_deux]

Gun crimes continue to decline...

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

...even as gun ownership increases:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/04/gun-ownership-by-the-numbers/

gun crimes, gun violence, gun deaths and injuries are WAY TOO FUCKIN HIGH

[TheSanityAnnex]

gun crimes, gun violence, gun deaths and injuries are WAY TOO FUCKIN HIGH

:cry what did you do in 1993 when it was at it's peak and you had no WWW to cry on? :cry

[boutons_deux]

:cry what did you do in 1993 when it was at it's peak and you had no WWW to cry on? :cry

gun crimes, gun violence, gun deaths and injuries are WAY TOO FUCKIN HIGH

[boutons_deux]

exactly why FEDERAL gun regulations and FEDERAL enforcement must replace state regulations

why you ignorant gun fellators prove your self-serving ignorance by saying gun regulations are worthless because states and cities with strict gun laws still have plenty of gun violence.

'Iron Pipeline' a conduit for illegal weapons to New York

But he was far from the only Pipeline regular, authorities say, and satisfaction over his arrest has been tempered by anger at the ease with which illegal firearms make it to New York, Connecticut and other states with some of the nation’s toughest gun laws.

Law enforcement officials say 90% of the guns seized in connection with New York City crimes come via the Iron Pipeline from Virginia, Georgia, Florida and other states linked by Interstate 95, the heavily traveled corridor favored by gun smugglers.

The Iron Pipeline is not limited to the highway, however. Last year, Brooklyn Dist. Atty. Ken Thompson announced the arrests of five men, including a former Delta Air Lines ramp worker, in connection with the transport of weapons on Delta flights from the airline’s hub in Atlanta to New York.

In the last 11 months, four New York City police officers have been killed on duty with guns that arrived via the Pipeline.

In December, a gunman used a weapon bought at a Georgia pawn shop to kill NYPD Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos.

Five months later, a gun stolen from another Georgia pawn shop was used to kill Officer Brian Moore.

(http://www.latimes.com/newsletters/la-newsletter-todays-headlines-signup-page-htmlstory.html)On Oct. 20, Officer Randolph Holder died after being shot in the head with a handgun that officials say originated in South Carolina.

“We have a spigot that’s wide open down there,” Police Commissioner William J. Bratton said at a Tuesday news conference, which was called to announce the takedowns of two more gun-smuggling rings.

Beside him were tables laden with 74 newly seized illegal firearms, including six assault weapons, that undercover officers bought from six men named in two criminal indictments. The defendants collected more than $52,000 in the sales, the indictments say.

Officials have not yet determined where the weapons originated, but the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr., said

if this case was like most, the weapons would be traced back to the Southern states whose laws make it far easier for people to get access to weapons.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-gun-corridor-iron-pipeline-20151028-story.html

[TheSanityAnnex]

exactly why FEDERAL gun regulations and FEDERAL enforcement must replace state regulations

why you ignorant gun fellators prove your self-serving ignorance by saying gun regulations are worthless because states and cities with strict gun laws still have plenty of gun violence.

'Iron Pipeline' a conduit for illegal weapons to New York

But he was far from the only Pipeline regular, authorities say, and satisfaction over his arrest has been tempered by anger at the ease with which illegal firearms make it to New York, Connecticut and other states with some of the nation’s toughest gun laws.

Law enforcement officials say 90% of the guns seized in connection with New York City crimes come via the Iron Pipeline from Virginia, Georgia, Florida and other states linked by Interstate 95, the heavily traveled corridor favored by gun smugglers.

The Iron Pipeline is not limited to the highway, however. Last year, Brooklyn Dist. Atty. Ken Thompson announced the arrests of five men, including a former Delta Air Lines ramp worker, in connection with the transport of weapons on Delta flights from the airline’s hub in Atlanta to New York.

In the last 11 months, four New York City police officers have been killed on duty with guns that arrived via the Pipeline.

In December, a gunman used a weapon bought at a Georgia pawn shop to kill NYPD Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos.

Five months later, a gun stolen from another Georgia pawn shop was used to kill Officer Brian Moore.

(http://www.latimes.com/newsletters/la-newsletter-todays-headlines-signup-page-htmlstory.html)On Oct. 20, Officer Randolph Holder died after being shot in the head with a handgun that officials say originated in South Carolina.

“We have a spigot that’s wide open down there,” Police Commissioner William J. Bratton said at a Tuesday news conference, which was called to announce the takedowns of two more gun-smuggling rings.

Beside him were tables laden with 74 newly seized illegal firearms, including six assault weapons, that undercover officers bought from six men named in two criminal indictments. The defendants collected more than $52,000 in the sales, the indictments say.

Officials have not yet determined where the weapons originated, but the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr., said

if this case was like most, the weapons would be traced back to the Southern states whose laws make it far easier for people to get access to weapons.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-gun-corridor-iron-pipeline-20151028-story.html



:lol FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT

US attorneys prosecute 1% of 75,000 cases the FBI refers to the ATF

:lol FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT

[Clipper Nation]

gun crimes, gun violence, gun deaths and injuries are WAY TOO FUCKIN HIGH



Suffocations and drownings are WAY TOO FUCKIN' HIGH. Ban plastic bags and pools!

[boutons_deux]

:lol FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT

US attorneys prosecute 1% of 75,000 cases the FBI refers to the ATF

:lol FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT

ATF has been vastly undermanned and underfunded for years, to your fantastic satisfaction, with Repugs doing the dirty work of the gun industry and NRA.

[boutons_deux]

NRA Falsely Claims That Obama Refuses To Enforce Existing Gun Laws Even As It Attempts To Weaken The Agency Charged With That Task

A new video from the National Rifle Association's (NRA) executive vice president Wayne LaPierre claims that President Obama "has all the laws he needs to stop the bloodshed" of gun violence in big cities but chooses not to because he supposedly refuses to enforce federal gun laws.

In fact, the NRA has engaged in a decades-long campaign to hinder the efforts of the federal law enforcement agency charged with enforcing federal gun laws (http://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/crim/409/), the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF).

In an October 27 video (https://www.nranews.com/series/wayne-lapierre/video/wayne-lapierre-how-to-stop-violent-crime/episode/wayne-lapierre-season-1-episode-1-how-to-stop-violent-crime) released by NRA News, LaPierre claimed, "Under the existing federal gun laws, [Obama] could take every felon with a gun, drug dealer with a gun and criminal gangbanger with a gun off the streets tomorrow and lock them up for five years or more. But he won't do it, his Justice Department won't do it, and the media never asks why."

The video also featured LaPierre's continued (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/07/08/nra-says-race-baiting-mainstream-media-puts-on/204301) apparent use (http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/scarborough-wayne-lapierre-op-ed-so-lace) of racially coded language (http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/04/thug/391682/) by contrasting "thugs like De'Eris Brown," "criminal gangbangers with illegal guns in Chicago," and "violent thugs" with "the good, honest Americans living out in farm towns in Nebraska or Oklahoma or working two jobs in inner-city Chicago or Baltimore." The video was introduced by LaPierre claiming "[n]othing illustrates America's breakdown like the way the president's hometown celebrates its holidays," before describing Chicago shootings as a "kind of third-world carnage."

LaPierre concluded with a false claim: "No organization has been louder, clearer or more consistent on the urgent need to enforce the federal gun laws than the NRA."
The NRA's lie is brazen given widespread reporting explaining how the gun group interferes with ATF operations. As USA Today reported (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/02/07/nra-interferes-with-atf-operations/1894355/) in 2013, "lobbying records and interviews show the [NRA] has worked steadily to weaken existing gun laws and the federal agency charged with enforcing them."

According to The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/14/AR2010121406045.html), "the gun lobby has consistently outmaneuvered and hemmed in ATF, using political muscle to intimidate lawmakers and erect barriers to tougher gun laws. Over nearly four decades, the NRA has wielded remarkable influence over Congress, persuading lawmakers to curb ATF's budget and mission and to call agency officials to account at oversight hearings."

The NRA's opposition to the ATF has been extreme. The gun group has threatened to attempt to abolish the agency (http://bradycampaign.org/sites/default/files/criminals-best-friend.pdf#page=17) all together and LaPierre infamously called (http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/06/11/how-the-nra-hinders-the-atf-director-confirmati/194412) federal law enforcement agents "jack-booted government thugs" who wear "Nazi bucket helmets and black storm trooper uniforms."

Here are four things the NRA does that are detrimental to the enforcement of federal gun laws:

The NRA Interferes With ATF's Ability To Enforce Federal Gun Laws Through The Congressional Appropriations Process

The NRA routinely cajoles its allies in Congress to limit the ATF's budget (https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/ATF-report-webfinal.pdf#page=14) (even as other federal law enforcement agency budgets grow) and pass riders to appropriations legislation that further limit the agency'sability to enforce federal gun laws (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/03/25/how-the-national-rifle-association-frustrates-e/193233). As a 2013 report (https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/GunRidersBrief-7.pdf) from Center for American Progress explained, one set of riders, often called the Tiahrt Amendments, "have limited how ATF can collect and share information to detect illegal gun trafficking, how it can regulate firearms sellers, and how it partners with federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies." The NRA has also backed legislation to hamper the ability of the ATF to go after criminal gun dealers, in one instance backing a bill (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/06/AR2010090603088.html) that the Washington Post editorial board explained, "would make it all but impossible for the ATF to press forward with any case."

The NRA Helped Create The Senate Confirmation Requirement For A Permanent ATF Director, Then Fought Against The Confirmation Of Any Permanent Director

In 2006, an NRA-backed amendment (http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/06/11/how-the-nra-hinders-the-atf-director-confirmati/194412) to the re-authorization of The Patriot Act created the requirement that the Senate confirm permanent ATF directors who are nominated by the president. The NRA subsequently opposed nominees for a permanent director, in one case comparing Obama's 2010 nominee Andrew Traver to an arsonist (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/nra_opposes_obamas_atf_nominee_because_they_google d_him_video.php). After seven years of not having a permanent director, B. Todd Jones was confirmed by the Senate (http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/08/29/b_todd_jones_after_seven_long_years_of_gun_lobby_s talling_the_atf_has_a.html) in 2013, but resigned after just two years (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2015/03/20/atf-director-b-todd-jones-to-step-down-this-month/). Unsurprisingly, law enforcement officials have told (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/26/us/legislative-handcuffs-limit-atfs-ability-to-fight-gun-crime.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=us&) The New York Times that having a permanent director vacancy "has inevitably depleted morale and kept the agency from developing a coherent agenda."

Just Months Ago, The NRA Attempted To Force The ATF To Divert Its Limited Resources To Restoring The Gun Rights Of Convicted Felons

While LaPierre repeatedly referenced felons with guns in his video, his organization attempts to make the ATF use its budget to rearm felons. For more than two decades (http://www.vpc.org/studies/felons.htm), standard appropriations language prohibited the ATF from using budget money on a program that allowed people who had lost their legal right to buy or own a gun because of a felony conviction to apply for restoration of that right. Without having to operate the program, the ATF has had more funding to enforce federal gun laws. In June, an NRA ally in Congress offered a successful amendment to reverse (https://www.scribd.com/doc/268140415/Buck-Rider) the longstanding language. While the amendment was under consideration the NRA repeatedly promoted it with the blatant falsehood (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/06/09/nra-embraces-deceptive-description-of-gop-reps/203929) that the program would only be available (https://www.vpc.org/studies/felons.htm) to nonviolent felons.

The NRA Opposes Closing The "Charleston Loophole" Which Makes The ATF's Job More Difficult

Under current federal law, gun dealers are allowed to proceed with a gun sale if the federal background check is not returned as a "proceed" or "denied" after three business days. Known as a "default proceed" sale, this feature of federal law is also called the "Charleston loophole" after the gunman who perpetrated the massacre at Mother Emanuel AME church, who received his gun without a completed background check (http://www.businessinsider.com/charleston-shooting-gun-control-bill-2015-7) (he would have been disqualified (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-accused-charleston-shooter-should-not-have-been-able-to-buy-gun/2015/07/10/0d09fda0-271f-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html) because of a drug charge). The "Charleston loophole" allows a significant number (http://prtl-sitea-maigs.nyc.gov/downloads/pdf/FBI_NICS_Data_response.pdf#page=24) of prohibited persons to obtain firearms and diverts the resources of the ATF and other law enforcement agencies who must attempt to recover guns that would not have been sold without a completed background check. The loophole was created by an NRA-backed amendment to the 1993 Brady background check bill and following the Charleston massacre, the NRA vigorously defended (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/07/21/nra-calls-loophole-that-allowed-charleston-shoo/204516) the loophole as "a critical safety valve" to shield prospective gun purchasers from undergoing delays in the completion of background checks -- even though more than 90 percent of background checks are completed instantly.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/10/28/nra-falsely-claims-that-obama-refuses-to-enforc/206481

gun fellators: G F Y

[TheSanityAnnex]

sending NRA-ILA $100 today just for you.

[boutons_deux]

More Stand Your Ground Mischief in Florida

The Florida Legislature, never one to leave bad enough alone when it comes to gun safety, is returning to the state’s notorious Stand Your Ground law to make it even easier for defendants to use it as a shield for intimidating and shooting people. Senate committees approved legislation this month (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-stand-your-ground-gun-bills-move-in-senate-20151020-post.html) that would relieve defendants of the need to prove that they were in fear for their lives.

Instead, prosecutors would be required to disprove the self-defense claim in a pretrial evidentiary hearing.

This, of course, would stand reason on its head. It would grant standing to the self-defense contentions of shooters and gun brandishers now burdening the state’s court system with controversial cases in which even seasoned criminals and gang members have resorted to dubious Stand Your Ground defenses. Under the proposed law, prosecutors would be obligated to prove to a judge that the self-defense claim was without merit before a case could proceed to a full trial.

The new bill, which will come before the full Legislature in January, is the gun lobby’s response to a State Supreme Court ruling last July that defendants do, indeed, have the burden of proving they had a reasonable belief of imminent danger in order to legitimately stand their ground with deadly force.

The 5-to-2 ruling found that such an obligation on the part of the defendant was clearly intended by the original law. Never mind, comes the Senate committees’ riposte, let’s write a new law presuming the gun wielder is right to begin with.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/02/opinion/more-stand-your-ground-mischief-in-florida.html

and has been pointed out as collateral-damage of SYG so far, a lot of Bad Guys have killed (other Bad Guys) and escaped with SYG.

FL, and all maran Repugs, are fucking whores for the gun industry.

2nd Amendment! :lol

[DMX7]

:lol FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT

US attorneys prosecute 1% of 75,000 cases the FBI refers to the ATF

:lol FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT


ATF has been vastly undermanned and underfunded for years, to your fantastic satisfaction, with Repugs doing the dirty work of the gun industry and NRA.

This. The NRA doesn't exactly seem to like the ATF. Why would that be? LOL

[rmt]

Why is it that gun haters don't mention that some of the places with the strictest gun control laws have the highest crime/gun violence? Anyways, please don't enter my house uninvited late at night - you don't know what might await you.

[boutons_deux]

Why is it that gun haters don't mention that some of the places with the strictest gun control laws have the highest crime/gun violence?

try this link:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253057&p=8237103&viewfull=1#post8237103


:lol

[DMX7]

Why is it that gun haters don't mention that some of the places with the strictest gun control laws have the highest crime/gun violence? Anyways, please don't enter my house uninvited late at night - you don't know what might await you.

UK, Australia, etc. ? :lol

[rmt]

Sounds like the Europeans are scrambling for guns since the immigrant invasion.

[rmt]

UK, Australia, etc. ? :lol

Chicago? Baltimore?

[boutons_deux]

Chicago? Baltimore?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253057&p=8237103&viewfull=1#post8237103

you be bringin weak, destroyed shit.

[boutons_deux]

Texas knife-lovers say they deserve the same open carry rights as gun nuts

http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/shutterstock_329500526-800x430.jpg

fanciers of knives are pushing lawmakers to liberalize laws allowing open carry of their weapon of choice, the Beaumont Enterprise (http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Knife-rights-advocates-shunned-amid-open-carry-6605294.php) reports.

“I’ve always said to people that Texas is not quite as ‘Texas’ as people think it is,” explained lobbyist Todd Rathner, who represents national advocacy group Knife Rights (http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/search/?action=search&channel=news&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query=%22Knife+Rights%22). “I think the gun laws in Texas are good and improving. In terms of the knife laws, Texas still has a little catching up to do. They’ve got certain types of knives banned literally since the mid-1800s.”

owners of knives with blades longer than five and a half inches cannot take them out in public without fear of arrest.

But in a state associated with the long knife carried by Jim Bowie, the Alamo hero would be looking at a Class A misdemeanor carrying a penalty of up to a year in jail, a fine of up to $4,000, or both for carrying his namesake knife in public.

Knife rights advocates did score a small victory this year when Gov. Greg Abbott (R) signed a bill prohibiting cities from placing additional restrictions on knives. Prior to Sept. 1 — when the bill went into effect — it was illegal to carry a pocketknife with a locking blade in San Antonio, and Corpus Christi banned knives with blades longer than three inches.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/texas-knife-lovers-say-they-deserve-the-same-open-carry-rights-as-gun-nuts/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Texians worried about really important shit! :lol

[boutons_deux]

...

[Splits]

Tough couple of days for people accidentally second amendmenting themselves and others




CHERRY HILL, NJ (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20151012_Man_accidentally_shoots_self_outside_Sout h_Jersey_bar.html), 10/11/15: A man suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound near a popular Cherry Hill beer garden early Sunday morning, a restaurant employee confirmed. The incident was reported to have occurred during a large fight and happened after the Craft House, located on Marlton Park, closed at 2 AM. "A gun went off and he shot himself," said Michael Donahue, a manager at the Craft House who was not present at the time of the incident. He said witnesses told him it occurred 30 to 40 yards away from the restaurant. The wound, initially reported as in the groin area, was not life-threatening, said a spokesperson for the Camden County prosecutor's office.

MECOSTA CO., MI (http://fox17online.com/2015/10/11/gun-accidentally-discharges-in-back-of-golf-cart-injuring-man/), 10/11/15: A man was taken to the hospital for non-life threatening injuries after a gun accidentally discharged in the back of a golf cart and shot him, Mecosta County sheriffs say. It happened Sunday afternoon on 20 Mile Rd. Deputies say that Terry Apol, a 57-year-old man from Grandville, was riding as a passenger in a golf cart on private property. There was a gun being carried in the back of the golf cart, which fired as they were riding through a field. Apol was shot in his left upper arm. Apol was taken to the hospital for treatment.

BUNKER HILL, IN (http://www.kokomotribune.com/news/retired-mac-teacher-in-hospital-after-accidentally-shooting-himself/article_f6c36ec4-7114-11e5-9782-9f44eb69539f.html), 10/11/15: A retired teacher at Maconaquah Middle School remains hospitalized after deputies say he accidentally shot himself in the abdomen with a rifle. Witnesses told deputies that Jim Jenkins was attempting to stop two dogs from fighting with a .22 caliber rifle when the gun discharged and hit him in the abdomen. Deputies said Jenkins fired a few shots in the air in an attempt to stop the dogs from fighting. He then struck one of the dogs with the butt of the gun, which caused it to discharge. Jenkins was air lifted to Lutheran Hospital in Fort Wayne, where he underwent surgery for his wounds, deputies said. He remained hospitalized Monday in critical condition, according to hospital officials.

FREDERICK, CO (http://www.timescall.com/news/crime/ci_28958671/police-notes-frederick-man-shoots-himself-hand-while), 10/11/15: Frederick police on Sunday responded to the 200 block of Fourth Street on an accidental shooting report. A 35-year-old man had shot himself in the hand while cleaning his gun. He was taken to the hospital.

NEVADA CITY, CA (http://www.theunion.com/news/18606026-113/nevada-city-man-charged-with-attempted-murder), 10/11/15: A reportedly accidental shooting in Nevada City on Sunday morning sent one man to a Roseville hospital, and one man to jail on attempted murder charges. Nevada City Police officers were dispatched to a residence in the 500 block of Uren Street at about 9 AM, and arrived to find a man with a gunshot wound to the left arm, said Officer Shane Franssen. The victim, who was not being identified, said he was at the property to split some wood for the woman who owns the property, when he began arguing with her son, who lives on the property in an RV, Franssen said. The victim reportedly owed the son — identified as Robert Asa Johnson, 52 — money. Johnson began yelling at the victim to get off the property, then leveled a double-barreled 12-gauge shotgun at him, Franssen said. He reportedly pointed the shotgun at the victim, then swung it away and fired, hitting the victim in the left elbow. Johnson fled the scene and hid the shotgun in the rafters of an outhouse on the property, Franssen said. The property was searched with the assistance of Grass Valley Police and Nevada County Sheriff’s deputies, and Johnson was located and taken into custody. He was booked into county jail on suspicion of attempted murder and is being held without bail. The victim sustained a “pretty substantial” injury and was flown by helicopter to Sutter Roseville Medical Center, where he has undergone several surgeries.

WINTER PARK, FL (http://www.local10.com/news/offduty-officer-leaves-gun-in-fla-movie-theater-bathroom/35818116), 10/11/15: There's a policy in place to check all bags and purse for guns at Winter Park Regal at the Village movie theater, but somehow a loaded gun ended up in the men's bathroom Sunday night. "Why would a police officer have his gun sitting around?" asked Sammie Vittoria. That's what a lot of moviegoers are asking after an off-duty Osceola sheriff's deputy brought a gun to the theater, leaving the gun in a restroom stall. "It's careless, obviously," Shawn Hardy said. "I'm hoping he feels just as bad leaving the gun there, and I'm sure he's embarrassed that he left it there." It was a customer that found the gun and reported it to a theater employee. The police report filed Sunday night says the firearm was found in the men's handicap stall with the hand grip up, resting on top if the tissue dispenser. When the employee checked it, he found five bullets inside. "It's a little crazy. The officer shouldn't bring a gun into a movie theater if he's not on duty," Theron Marcello said. "That's kind of unsafe. They should definitely keep track of it better, but I mean, everybody loses something every once in a while," Jennifer Sprinkle said. A sign posted outside the theater outlines the do's and don'ts. At the bottom, a clear notice prohibiting any firearms or concealed weapons on theater property can be seen. News 6 reached out to the Osceola County Sheriff's Office. "They are aware of the incident and are investigating to see if there were any violations made by the officer," the Osceola County Sheriff's Office said in a statement. People News 6 talked to said this isn't going to change their minds about going to see a movie. "I'm going to go to the movies and not think somebody is going to have a gun," Hardy said. "I'm not going to go with that mind set, because if that was the mind set going into it then no one would go to the movies." "It's a bonehead move for somebody smart, unfortunately," Marcello said. "It doesn't reflect on everybody." The Sheriff's Office said the deputy is undercover, so they're not releasing his name. However, officials said it was his personal weapon, which is now back in his custody.

ROCK HILL, SC (http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/2-year-old-accidentally-shoots-grandma-back-police/nnzwZ/), 10/11/15: A grandmother was released from the hospital after a 2-year-old boy shot her in the back, according to the Rock Hill Police Department. Police originally told Channel 9 that the child was 4 years old and the woman was not the grandmother, but updated their information Monday afternoon. The 40-year-old grandmother and the child were in the woman's sister's car at 1:24 PM Sunday at Ogden Road and Heckle Boulevard in Rock Hill. The grandmother's sister's .357 revolver was in a pouch on the back of the front passenger seat in the car. The boy's great aunt was driving the car. The great aunt of the woman who was shot told anchor Liz Foster said the woman is out of hospital and OK, but did not make any further comments. Police said the child was able to pull back the trigger, discharging the weapon. The woman was hit once in the back. She was taken to Carolinas Medical Center – Main in Charlotte.

MYRTLE BEACH, SC (http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/30237179/mbpd-accidental-hotel-shooting-sends-woman-to-hospital), 10/12/15: An accidental shooting at a Myrtle Beach hotel sent one woman to the hospital Monday morning, according to the Myrtle Beach police. Officers said the shooting happened early Monday at Hotel Blue. A female suffered a gun shot wound to her leg. Police believe the gun fell and went off on her inside a hotel room. The woman was taken to the hospital and was alert and believed to be alright.

SALINA, KS (http://www.salina.com/crime/assaria-man-cleaning-gun-shoots-hand/article_0dbe1282-4c2f-5386-88df-959fff84f36c.html), 10/12/15: An Assaria man was treated at Salina Regional Health Center after he accidentally shot himself in the hand about 9:15 AM Monday while at work in Salina, a police department spokesman said. Cody Suhr, 21, shot himself through his left palm while cleaning a high-powered handgun and the bullet traveled through his wrist while he was at Weis Fire & Safety Equipment, 111 E. Pacific, said Capt. Mike Sweeney. Sweeney said Suhr was cited for unlawful discharge of a weapon.
MURRAY, ID (http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/hbo/2015/oct/13/florida-hunter-dies-gun-accident/), 10/12/15: On Monday October 12th at approximately 651 PM Shoshone County Deputies and Prichard/ Murray Volunteer Fire and Medical were dispatched to Prichard Creek Road in Murray to a report of a gunshot victim. The victim, Stephen Davis, 60, of Florida was at his second home in Murray, where a group of family and friends were done hunting for the day and were in the process of clearing their weapons. The victim was on the back steps to the residence taking his shoes off when the other’s heard a shot. They went out to find his revolver on the ground and him, shot in the chest. The victim had been wearing a .44 magnum revolver in a shoulder holster, prior to the shooting. The others in the group provided first aid on him until emergency services arrived. Northwest Medstar was called to the scene and at 747 PM Medstar told the deputy to notify the coroner that the victim had succumbed to his injuries.

LAKE HAVASU CITY, AZ (http://www.havasunews.com/news/havasu-man-accidentally-shoots-himself-in-stomach-while-cleaning-his/article_3454c1a0-71e9-11e5-9ff1-e3c650eb7101.html), 10/12/15: A North Dakota man who accidentally shot himself in the stomach while cleaning his gun has died, according to Lake Havasu City police. Officers responded to the 900 block of McCulloch Boulevard South at 10:57 AM. Tuesday in reference to an accidental shooting. Police say Rod Iverson, a 70-year-old part-time Havasu resident, was cleaning multiple guns in his garage when a .9-mm handgun discharged into his abdomen. Sgt. Troy Stirling said the shooting occurred while the victim's wife was out of the house sometime between 9:15 and 11 AM. She returned and noticed her husband sitting in his chair "like he was taking a nap." He told he was hurt. The victim’s wife reported the incident, and paramedics transported the victim to Havasu Regional Medical Center, where he later died in the operating room. According to Officer Joe Harrold, there is nothing to indicate that the incident was anything other than accidental. A crime scene technician documented the location and collected items from the scene following the shooting.

BATON ROUGE, LA (http://theadvocate.com/news/13694159-123/police-investigating-fatal-shooting-at), 10/13/15: A shooting claimed the life of a 15-year-old boy early Tuesday at Hooper Pointe Apartments on Hooper Road, according to a family member and the East Baton Rouge Parish Coroner’s Office. The Coroner’s Office and the victim’s brother-in-law identified the victim as Brian “B.J.” Banks. The brother-in-law, Ron Banks, said the victim was accidentally shot by his 17-year-old best friend. Cpl. Don Coppola, a spokesman for the Baton Rouge Police Department, said police are investigating a fatal shooting at the apartment complex, which happened at 3:30 AM, but provided no further details. Ron Banks, among several family members standing out in front of their first-floor apartment, said he and his wife were asleep in another room when they heard the gunshot. Ron Banks said he did not witness the shooting but that Brian’s friend told him it was an accident, which Brian said as well before he died. He said the boy, who was the youngest of eight children, was shot under the chin. Ron Banks said he carried Brian outside to give him more air. “He kept saying that he was hot,” Ron Banks said. Ron Banks said Brian was bleeding heavily and that he told him to lean his head forward so he didn’t choke. Ryan Banks brought Brian outside on the steps, and then Brian asked to lie down. “And then he was just gone,” Ron Banks said. Ron Banks said the boy was living at the apartment with him and his wife, who is Brian’s sister, and their four children. He held out Brian’s school ID, which he was wearing around his neck, and said the boy was staying with the family while going to school nearby at Greenville Superintendent Academy. Ron Banks said Brian and his friend were inseparable. “They were hanging out all the time. Everyone who knows (Brian’s friend) knows he didn’t mean it,” Ron Banks said. “He stayed with him. He would’ve left, you know?” Ron Banks said Brian’s friend, 17, was taken into custody by police. He said neither he nor his wife knew anything about a gun in the house but that police told him it was .22 caliber handgun. The East Baton Rouge Coroner’s Office was scheduled to do an autopsy Tuesday afternoon.

MARIETTA, GA (http://patch.com/georgia/smyrna/smyrna-man-killed-accidental-shooting), 10/13/15: A Smyrna man is dead and a Marietta man is in jail after an accidental shooting which took place in a car in northeastern Cobb County on Tuesday morning, Cobb County police said. Jhavares Doster, 20 was killed at the intersection of Ember Street and Sherlock Drive in the Oak Creek Estates area just before 1 AM, according to police. Investigators say he was fatally shot while inside a car and was pronounced dead at the scene. The suspect, 18-year-old Demarcus Flint of Marietta, allegedly shot Doster on accident while both were inside the car. Flint has been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter and reckless conduct, police said. Flint is being held on a $20,000 bond at the Cobb County jail, records show.

SAVANNAH, GA (http://scmpd.org/gun-discharges-man-injured-accidentally/), 10/13/15: Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan Police Department’s Violent Crimes detectives are working to determine how Alfonso Walker, 70, was injured after a gun discharged at a lounge on 36th Street and Waters Avenue at about 8:55 PM Tuesday. Metro responded to Candler Hospital where Walker, arrived in a privately owned vehicle seeking care of a non-life-threatening injury. The preliminary investigation shows a firearm carried by another guest at the lounge fell to the ground and discharged. The person in possession of the gun fled the area. Investigators are working to determine whether Walker was grazed by a bullet or shrapnel. Detectives believe this incident was unintentional.

KYLE, TX (http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/police-man-accidentally-shoots-self-near-kyle-scho/nn2k8/), 10/13/15: Police responded to an accidental shooting near Kyle Elementary School Tuesday, city and school officials said. About 2:30 PM officers received reports of a man who shot himself in the leg while he was in his car near Kyle Elementary School, a city spokeswoman said. There is no threat to the campus and all students and staff are safe, according to Hays Consolidated Independent School District officials. The man was taken to University Medical Center Brackenridge, police said.

NORTH UNION TOWNSHIP, FAYETTE CO., PA (http://standardspeaker.com/news/police-oct-14-1.1957330), 10/13/15: State police at Frackville responded to an accidental shooting in North Union Township early Tuesday morning. Troopers said they investigated the shooting at Cove Village on Tuesday at 4:40 AM. The victim, who lives in the development, sustained a hand injury and was treated at a local hospital for non-life threatening injuries.

KASILOF, AK (http://alaska-native-news.com/kasilof-man-dies-from-accidental-gunshot-wound-tuesday-morning-19639), 10/13/15: A Kasilof man died from an accidental gunshot wound in that community on Tuesday the trooper dispatch revealed. On Tuesday morning at 8:54 AM, troopers, the Alaska Bureau of Investigation and Central Emergency Services responded to Kasilof after troopers received an emergency call reporting a gunshot victim. When troopers, investigators and EMS arrived, EMS declared 46-year-old Royce Gardner deceased. The investigation on-scene determined that Gardner was working on his vehicle, when his revolver, which he had tucked in his waistband, fell out, struck the vehicle, and discharged. Next of kin were notified of the incident and Gardner’s death. Gardner’s remains were sent to the State medical Examiner’s office in Anchorage for autopsy.

FARGO, ND (http://kfgo.com/news/articles/2015/oct/14/man-accidentally-discharges-gun-in-fargo-apartment/), 10/13/15: Fargo police are investigating the accidental discharge of a gun Tuesday night. Police Lt. Joel Vettel says a man was disassembling a pistol, forgot there was a bullet in the chamber, and when he fired the gun, it went off. The bullet lodged in a closet wall. No one was hurt. The man called police to report the accident around 7:30 PM. It happened in an apartment in the 5300 block of Amber Valley Parkway. The report will be forwarded to the city attorney to determine if the man will face charges.

CLARK CO., ID (http://www.localnews8.com/news/Hunter-accidentally-shoots-himself-after-falling/35850670), 10/14/15: One man is in the hospital, after falling on a steep hillside and accidentally firing his rife while hunting in Clark County, Wednesday. The Clark County Sheriff's Office says they received a 9-1-1 call from a 30-year-old hunter in the Pleasant Valley area. The man was hunting deer alone and tripped on a steep hillside. When he fell, his 30.06 rifle accidentally fired, hitting and injuring the man. The Sheriff's Office says the man had a cell phone and was able to call for help. Air Idaho transported him to Eastern Idaho Regional Medical Center. He was treated for a gunshot wound. The Sheriff's Office says the man is expected to make a full recovery. Sheriff Bart May wants to remind all hunters it is extremely dangerous to hunt alone and with a round in the chamber.

SAN DIEGO, CA (http://www.10news.com/news/accidental-bullet-flies-through-hair-salon), 10/14/15: A bullet accidentally fired from inside a medical marijuana dispensary nearly hit two people in a hair salon overnight Wednesday in Mid-City. The incident occurred at around midnight in the 5200 block of El Cajon Boulevard. According to San Diego police, an employee at a marijuana dispensary was cleaning his gun when it went off. The bullet went through a thin wall and into a hair salon, whizzing past a hairdresser and her client and shattering a fluorescent ceiling light. "All I heard was glass shattering, so I actually thought somebody broke this window right here and something went through,” hairdresser Shavon Griffin said. “I looked at the window and noticed it wasn't shattered, I was like, ‘why did the light break?’ We looked behind her and saw the bullet hole and saw the skid mark, light; the hole over there. So, it was a gunshot." No one was hurt. Police did not immediately confirm if any charges would be filed.

BUNNELL, FL (http://www.palmcoastobserver.com/article/cops-corner-man-hears-strange-noise-fears-burglars-shoots-own-hand), 10/14/15: 4:13 AM 5900 block of Walnut Avenue, Bunnell. Shooting: A Bunnell man accidentally shot himself through the hand Oct. 14 when he heard a strange noise in the house in the early morning hours and reached for his revolver, fearing burglars. The man, a 53-year-old Walnut Avenue resident, had been sleeping at about 3 AM when he heard a noise at the front porch, according to a Sheriff’s Office incident report. Still “half asleep,” he told a Sheriff’s Office deputy who interviewed him at the hospital, the man reached for his .38 special snub-nose revolver on the nightstand. But as grabbed the gun, he pulled the hammer back and pulled the trigger, firing a bullet into his left hand between his thumb and pointer finger, he told the deputy. The man put the gun in a closet and ran his hand under cold water for several minutes, then went to Florida Hospital Flagler. A nurse told the deputy that the man had said he kept the gun under a pillow. The man told a deputy that he’d gone for the gun because the home had been burglarized in the past.

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WESTON, MA (http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20151016/NEWS/151016771), 10/14/15: A woman was reported bleeding after accidentally shooting herself in the arm at the Weston Shooters Club on Wednesday at 1 PM. According to the Weston Police Department, the female shooter suffered a non life-threatening gunshot wound to the left arm. She was transported to Newton-Wellesley Hospital. Weston Police responded to the scene along with the Weston Fire Department and Pro Ambulance (Advanced Life Support). The incident remains under investigation. Weston Shooters Club bills itself as New England's first luxury private shooting club, where country club meets gun club. The year-old facility at 8 Sibley Road (off Rte. 20 near Rte. 128) houses a state-of-the-art eight-lane indoor shooting range, locker room with 400 lockers and a gun-cleaning area, boardroom and a clubhouse lounge. Prospective members must have a valid and current Massachusetts license to carry firearms and are screened by the club's membership committee.

MACON, GA (http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/macon/2015/10/16/29-year-old-macon-man-accidentally-shot/74066088/), 10/14/15: A 29-year-old Macon man told Bibb County sheriff's deputies he was shot at a convenience store in the Bloomfield Road area around 10 AM Wednesday. According to an incident report, Ashley Flincher told police she and her boyfriend, Kenneth Slaughter, were in the parking lot of a gas station when she heard a gunshot. Flincher told police she saw Slaughter come out of the station with an apparent gunshot wound. While being treated, a deputy then noticed a burn mark around a bullet hole in Slaughter's jeans at the scene. Slaughter, at first, told deputies he heard gunshots near some bushes near a convenience store on Chambers Road. However, when being questioned about the burn mark, Slaughter said the shooting was accidental. Slaughter told police he was with a friend known as "Red" at the Bridgeview hotel on Harrison Road. Slaughter said Red asked him if he could see the .22 gun he owned, Red got the gun and accidentally shot Slaughter in the thigh. Deputies discovered Slaughter had an warrant out for his arrest for marijuana possession, but due to his injuries, the report states, he wasn't taken into custody. Deputies ruled the shooting accidental.


THOMASVILLE, NC (http://www.wxii12.com/news/deputies-teen-accidentally-shoots-sister-with-stolen-gun-in-thomasville/36093588), 10/14/15: A 16-year-old faces charges after accidentally shooting his sister with a stolen gun, Davidson County deputies said. William Michael Conrady was charged with larceny of a firearm and breaking and entering a motor vehicle following an incident reported Oct. 14. Conrady's 18-year-old sister had arrived at Thomasville Medical Center with a gunshot wound, deputies said. Her injuries aren't considered life-threatening. Deputies said they determined Conrady accidentally shot his sister Oct. 14 at a home on Kimberly Lane not far from Kennedy Road south of Thomasville. The larceny of a firearm charge is linked to the gun used in the shooting, deputies said. More charges are pending against Conrady on charges unrelated to the shooting, deputies said. No other information has been released. The investigation continues.

HILTON HEAD, SC (http://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/community/beaufort-news/article40510371.html), 10/14/15: A security guard for Palmetto Dunes was taken to the hospital Oct. 14 after he accidentally shot himself in the foot while demonstrating firearm safety for another security officer, according to a Beaufort County Sheriff's Office report. The incident is the second accidental gun discharge reported by a security guard in the Hilton Head Island gated community this year. Deputies responded at about 1:20 AM Oct. 14 on Queens Folly Road where they spoke with a security officer who said he was working at the south traffic gatehouse on Ocean Lane with the guard who shot himself, according to the report. The guard said he was scheduled to qualify at the shooting range the following week to become an armed officer and was getting tips on loading and unloading his .40-caliber Glock 22 pistol from the other guard. The guard had unloaded the gun and was about to reload it, with it pointed at the floor, when he "inadvertently discharged his weapon," the report said. The bullet went through his right boot and foot. The guard later reached the main traffic gatehouse on Queens Folly Road and was transported to Hilton Head Hospital. On Feb. 20, another Palmetto Dunes security officer accidentally fired her Glock pistol while disassembling the weapon to clean it, according to a Sheriff's Office report. The bullet struck a file cabinet and was found inside it. No one was injured. It was at the end of her 12-hour shift, she reported. She told deputies the slide would not come off after she had removed the magazine. "I then pulled the trigger thinking that the slide would slide off, and a round discharged from the weapon hitting the top portion of the filing cabinet," according to the incident report. After the Feb. 20 incident, all of the security guards had to undergo firearms training, according to Palmetto Dunes Chief of Security Jim Griner. Griner said additional training will be required of all Palmetto Dunes security officers after the Oct. 14 incident, and other changes will be made. "We take this very seriously and want to try to prevent this from happening," Griner said. Some of the changes that Griner said would be coming to the department include allowing only certified firearms instructors to demonstrate weapon safety and care. He said all firearms training would occur at an off-site facility instead of within the gated community. He also said security officers would no longer be allowed to unload firearms at the end of their shifts, to deter accidental discharges, and the department would look into different gun brands with better safety features. Griner said other changes could be made, pending an administrative review of the most recent incident. He said the injured security guard was healing well. Attempts to reach Palmetto Dunes administration for comment Tuesday were unsuccessful.

ANDERSON, SC (http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/30273912/woman-dies-after-hunting-accident-authorities-say), 10/15/15: A teen is dead after she was shot in an apparent hunting accident Thursday afternoon in Anderson County, officials said. Anderson County Coroner Greg Shore identified the victim as 17-year-old Amanda Daniele Foster. Shore said the teen was a student at Pendleton High School. Robert McCollough with the state Department of Natural Resources (DNR) said the teen's foster father accidentally shot her in the chest with a high power rifle, McCullough said. Foster was transported to AnMed where authorities say she was pronounced dead. The shooting happened off Dalrymple Road on private land. Shore said Amanda had been living with her foster family for more than two years. An autopsy will be performed Friday, Shore said. DNR is still investigating the shooting. "We are in shock and saddened," Anderson District Four Superintendent Dr. Joanne Avery said in an e-mailed statement. "Amanda touched many lives. She was working hard to fulfill her dreams of going to college. Her parents were a big part of her success." Avery said counselors will be available to Pendleton High School students to help cope with the loss.

WOODLAND PARK, CO (http://www.koaa.com/story/30272382/father-son-shooting-on-rampart-range-road), 10/15/15: A man may have accidentally shot his son today while recreational shooting. Police responded to a call regarding a shooting at 1:30 PM Thursday. The shooting occurred approximately three miles north of Pikes Peak Road near Loi Creek Road and North Rampart Range Road. When a passerby told them shooting was not permitted in the area, they packed up their gear. Both the father, who is in his 60s, and son who is in his late 30s, were inside a vehicle. One round was still in the gun chamber, and a shot fired through a window and hit the son in the chest. The father rushed down the mountain to a paved area to get help. The son was conscious and alert. Flight for life landed and transported the son to a nearby hospital. The shooting appears to be accidental, according to police. The shooting appears to be accidental, according to police.

MIDLAND PARK, NJ (http://northernhighlands.dailyvoice.com/police-fire/midland-park-gun-shop-owner-attorney-accidentally-shoots-himself/596411/), 10/16/15: Attorney Peter Jeffer, who operates an appointment-only gunshop that caters mostly to law enforcement, accidentally shot himself at home -- though not seriously -- just after midnight today, Oct. 16. Midland Park Ambulance took Jeffer, 69, to Hackensack University Medical Center from his Post Street home after he apparently shot himself in the abdomen, sources with direct knowledge of the incident told Daily Voice. He was conscious and alert at the time, witnesses reported. Midland Park Police Chief Michael Powderly said he couldn't release the identity of the victim. However, he told Daily Voice that the man was expected to survive and that the weapon was legally owned. Wyckoff police joined their Midland Park colleagues at the scene. Jeffer, a retired Municipal Court judge and former Midland Park firefighter, owns Wortendyke Arms, known as the seller of "New Jersey's Guns For the Good Guys." Next month marks 44 years that he's been an attorney.

CEDAR GROVE, WV (http://wvmetronews.com/2015/10/16/kanawha-county-woman-accidentally-shot-by-young-boy/), 10/16/15: A woman was accidentally shot in the leg Friday afternoon by a two-year-old boy in Cedar Grove. It happened in the 200 block of William Street when a man opened the family gun cabinet. The child got ahold of a pistol and fired the gun, hitting 53-year-old Pamela Gibson in the leg. The bullet entered her leg and exited through her hip. She was immediately transported to CAMC and underwent surgery. She was still receiving treatment Friday evening. Kanawha County Sheriff’s Deputies are still investigating the incident. The boy’s name will not be released due to privacy issues.

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SALINA, KS (http://www.salina.com/news/man-apparently-accidentally-shoots-his-leg-during-movie-at-salina/article_219a6e3a-0d92-5992-bbee-8a6353e7420f.html), 10/16/15: A man was transported to Salina Regional Health Center on Friday night after he apparently accidentally shot himself in the leg midway through a movie at Central Mall. Salina Police Department watch commander Sean Furbeck said the incident remains under investigation, but the gunshot wound likely was self-inflicted. He said police were not seeking anyone else in connection with the incident, which occurred at about 8:30 PM in one of the small theaters behind the ticket sales area. Heather Myers, of Lindsborg, said she and her fiance had gotten a baby sitter for their three children and went to see “Maze Runner: The Scorch Trials” at the Central Mall cinema on a date night. About 45 minutes into the movie, she said, there was suddenly a loud boom about three rows in front of them. She said a man yelled, “Oh, my God! I just shot myself! I just got my concealed carry.” She said everybody jumped up, and somebody screamed, “Call 911!” She said someone used a belt to make a tourniquet on the man’s leg to stop the bleeding from a wound on the inside of the man’s thigh. “I feel really sorry that guy shot himself, but at least he didn’t shoot someone else,” Myers said. “That would have been 10 times worse.” Myers said theater employees offered moviegoers the choice of waiting until the theater was cleaned up so the movie could resume or receiving vouchers for a free movie another time. She said she was among the first people in line for the vouchers. “I was so freaked out,” she said. “My whole body was shaking. I felt like I couldn’t even walk, and I was about to cry.” Movies in other theaters continued to be shown, and tickets were being sold for later showings. MORE: (http://salinapost.com/2015/10/19/update-on-movie-theater-shooting/) A 24-year-old Concordia man shot himself in the thigh while at the Starplex Cinemas inside the Central Mall, 2259 S. 9th, Friday evening at about 8:30 PM Salina Police Captain Chris Trocheck said Cody Deneault was with his wife watching a movie, when he adjusted a handgun in his pants pocket, and it went off. Deneault was taken to the Salina Regional Health Center for treatment of a non-life threatening wound. Captain Trocheck said the case is still under investigation and it has not been determined if Deneault will face any charges.

FRANKLIN, NH (http://www.unionleader.com/article/20151018/NEWS07/151019345&source=RSS), 10/16/15: The head of the state Fish and Game Department has issued an emergency order for later this week, barring hunters from discharging firearms at pheasant stocking sites statewide, after one hunter shot and wounded another on Friday. The order is effective from 7 AM until noon on Thursday and Friday, the last two days that Fish and Game will be stocking ring-necked pheasants this year. Glenn Normandeau, executive director of the agency, said the hunting accident happened Friday morning in the Army Corps of Engineers Pemigewasset flood zone north of Franklin. He said a Fish and Game stocking crew was still in the area after releasing birds, and witnessed the shooting. The victim suffered a non-life-threatening injury when he was hit in the side of the head by “a (shotgun) pellet or two,” Normandeau said. The shooter apparently was aware of the accident but left the scene, he said. Normandeau said witnesses got a license plate number for the hunter's vehicle and he expects charges will be filed. As soon as he heard about the incident on Friday, Normandeau said, he asked Fish and Game's legal counsel for advice and then issued the emergency order. “I've had enough,” he said. “This is not an isolated incident.” In some cases, Fish and Game biologists have been in the process of releasing pheasants from their wooden crates, Normandeau said. “They're still putting birds out and people are blasting away,” he said. “It just needs to come to an end.” Such incidents have happened in the past, he said, but this hunting season seems to be worse than usual. “It just seems like for some reason this year, people are out there just sort of waiting for the stocking truck to show up,” he said. “We appear to be having a bunch of people too anxious to be the first to get one.” “I'm concerned about the public generally, but I'm especially concerned about our own folks and somebody getting hurt.” Normandeau said the emergency order applies only to this week. But he said he plans to seek a permanent solution when Fish and Game undertakes its biennial rulemaking process in the spring. “I expect we're going to have a serious discussion and probably permanently design something where on stocking days you can't hunt,” he said. “There shouldn't be any hunting going on when we're out there.” Normandeau said this is not a new issue. He found a study dating back to 1949, “which illustrates that these same problems were going on back then.” “They go away for a while. Then they raise their ugly head again.” Pheasant hunting season continues through Dec. 31 in New Hampshire. A total of 12,200 ring-necked pheasants are being released this year at 70 sites in 46 towns, according to Fish and Game.

CHICAGO, IL (http://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/7/71/1026048/police-man-hurt-accidental-shooting-south-shore), 10/16/15: A 19-year-old man accidentally shot himself in the leg Friday evening in South Shore. He showed up at the University of Chicago Medical Center just after 6 PM with the leg wound, according to Chicago Police. The man told investigators the shooting happened in the 2000 block of East 75th Street but wasn’t cooperative with other details, police said. His injury appeared to be self-inflicted, police said. It wasn’t considered life-threatening.

CHICAGO, IL (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20151016-story.html), 10/17/15: At 12:20 AM, a 27-year-old man accidentally shot himself in East Garfield Park, Greer said. He was on a porch in the 3800 block of West Adams Street when he shot himself in the thigh by accident. He was taken to Mount Sinai, and his condition was stabilized.

CHICAGO, IL (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20151016-story.html), 10/17/15: At 6:10 PM, a 19-year-old man was shot in South Shore, Alfaro said. He was shot in the right leg in the 2000 block of East 75th Street, and took himself to the University of Chicago Medical Center. The wound may have been self-inflicted, authorities said.

CHICAGO, IL (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shooting-violence-20151017-story.html), 10/17/15: The 3-year-old boy who was one of two people killed in city shootings since Saturday night was accidentally shot by his 6-year-old brother while the two were playing cops and robbers, according to police. The boy, whom authorities identified as Eian Santiago, was at a residence at about 9:05 PM in the 1000 block of North Francisco Avenue in the Humboldt Park neighborhood on the West Side when his 6-year-old brother got hold of a revolver and shot him in the head. According to Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi, the two had been playing "cops and robbers" when the 6-year-old saw the handgun atop a refrigerator, took it and fired it in the direction of his brother. Guglielmi could not further describe the weapon other than saying it was a handgun. The boys' father, 25-year-old Michael Santiago, was charged with felony child endangerment in connection with the shooting. He kept a loaded gun on top of a refrigerator, according to police. He is expected to appear in bond court Sunday. Guglielmi said that Michael Santiago told police he was a former member of the Spanish Cobras gang and that he had purchased the gun from another gang member for protection. Guglielmi said police are in the process of tracing the weapon. After the shooting, the boy's family members took him to Norwegian American Hospital. He later was transferred to Mount Sinai Hospital, where family members gathered as word of the shooting spread. As word of the shooting spread, people walked up to the ambulance bay at Mount Sinai in groups of two or three. By 11:20 PM, about two dozen people were waiting in the cold, including a young woman who had been wailing almost nonstop for half an hour.

DALLAS, GA (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/mother-and-child-injured-paulding-county-shooting/nn5JP/) 10/17/15: The Paulding County Sheriff's Office is investigating a shooting accident that killed a child and injured her mother. Officers say a gun fired unexpectedly around 5 PM Saturday at a home on Fairview Drive in Dallas, hitting them both. "It's a tragic situation. We've got two folks that have been shot,” said Sgt. Ashley Henson. "Initially from what we understand the handgun was dropped and when it dropped it discharged, striking both victims." According to the Sheriff's Office, four kids were in the house at the time of the shooting. "We've spoken with the mother and a couple children who were in the home and everything they're saying seems to fit with the evidence we've seen,” Henson said. Police say the mother was doing her 8-year-old daughter’s hair. The girl was sitting between her mother’s legs when the gun fell to the ground. The bullet went through the mother’s leg and struck the child in the head. The child died on the scene. The 45-year-old mother was transported to a local hospital and underwent surgery overnight. Detectives say she is recovering at Floyd Medical Center in Rome with her oldest son by her side. Police say although all signs point to a terrible accident, they are still investigating it as if it were a crime. They say they want to know why the gun was out in the first place and how it fell to the ground. But investigators say they'll give the mother time to grieve and bury her child before pressing her with those questions. MORE: (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/neighbor-child-killed-accidental-speaks/nn5bR/) The neighbor of an eight-year-old girl killed in an accidental shooting at her Paulding County home is sharing his thoughts. Ahue Sims told Channel 2's Tyisha Fernandes the girl, who police say was accidentally shot and killed by her mother, used to sit on his porch. "She would come every once in a while with another kid and have ice cream," Sims said. Police say the shooting happened around 5 PM, and they're confident it was an accident. According to investigators, the mother was doing her youngest daughter's hair when a gun fell to the floor and fired one bullet. The bullet went through the mother's leg and into the child's head.

DANIELSVILLE, GA (http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2015-10-19/madison-county-man-accidentally-shoots-himself-gun-inside-pickup), 10/17/15: A Madison County man accidentally shot himself in the leg Saturday night shortly after returning home from watching the University of Georgia football game at a friend’s home, authorities said Monday. A deputy was dispatched at 11:58 PM to the home on Hudson River Church Road, where he found a large amount of blood in a Ford pickup and blood spills leading into the home, according to a Madison County Sheriff’s Office report. The man was sitting in a kitchen chair, where he had applied a makeshift tourniquet using his belt, deputies said. Leslie Oglesby Jr., 59, told the officer he removed his .40-caliber pistol from the glove compartment and was attempting to clear the weapon by racking the slide, when it discharged. Oglesby, who was calm and coherent, was transported to Athens Regional Medical Center, deputies said. Lt. Jimmy Patton said Monday the shooting was accidental and no foul play is expected.

PANDORA, OH (http://limaohio.com/news/154169/putnam-county-teen-dies-in-accidental-shooting), 10/17/15: A 17-year-old boy died Saturday night after an apparent accidental shooting, according to a press release from Putnam County Sheriff Michael C. Chandler. The teen was shooting guns with friends when he was wounded, according to the press release. The sheriff’s office received a call at 7:06 PM Saturday about the shooting at 13915 Road 3, Pandora. The boy was pronounced dead at the scene. Chandler declined to release names early Sunday because of the ages of the individuals at the scene of the shooting and also because all family members hadn’t been notified yet. The incident remains under investigation by the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. The property at 13915 Road 3, Pandora, is owned by Daniel and Linda Myers, according to Putnam County Auditor’s website.

MERIDIAN, ID (http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/18-year-old-charged-involuntary-manslaughter-after-shooting-friend-333941871.html), 10/17/15: An 18-year-old Meridian man shot and killed a 15-year boy after pointing the gun at the boy's head -- thinking it was unloaded, Meridian Police say. Police first responded to a possible suicide on the 2300 block of east Franklin Road at 9:30 PM Saturday. When officers arrived, they found the 15-year-old boy suffering from a gunshot wound to the head. The boy, who has not been identified, died at a local hospital. Meridian PD says the first information they acquired led them to believe it was a suicide. Officers say there were several people in the bedroom when the shooting occurred, all of which were smoking marijuana and drinking alcohol. After further investigation, however, police say the participants started playing with two handguns. Meridian PD says the alleged shooter, David Provencio of Meridian, pointed the handgun at the victim and pulled the trigger while thinking it was unloaded. Police say there were at least two other adults at home when the shooting happened, along with several young children. Provencio was arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter and is being held in the Ada County Jail. He faces up to 10 years in prison.

MEDFORD, OR (http://www.mailtribune.com/article/20151018/NEWS/151019621), 10/17/15: Police arrested a 22-year-old Medford man who accidentally discharged a revolver into his hand at a 7-Eleven at Crater Lake Avenue and McAndrews Road on Saturday night while attempting to show it to a store clerk, who narrowly missed being struck by the bullet. Brodie McArthur Larson, of the 1300 block of Brentcrest Drive in Medford, was charged with carrying a concealed handgun without a permit and two counts of endangering. He was released from Jackson County Jail on his own recognizance. Police say Larson was carrying the revolver in the same pocket as his wallet when he approached the 7-Eleven counter around 9:00 PM Saturday. He had to pull out the gun in order to remove the wallet. According to police, the clerk commented on how nice a gun it was, so Larson attempted to unload it to let the clerk get a better look. While Larson unloaded the gun, it discharged into his hand, and the bullet whizzed by the clerk’s head, police say. Initially police suspected a botched robbery, but after some investigation police said they determined it was just a case of a person making very poor decisions with a loaded gun. Medford police Sgt. Jason Antley said someone who has a concealed carry permit could carry a firearm into a store unless the store has a policy against bringing a gun inside. Generally, notices are posted near the front door, he said. A representative at the 7-Eleven said he could provide no comments regarding the accidental shooting or whether the store has a policy prohibiting bringing firearms into the building.

LETCHER, SD (http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/outdoors/3864040-13-year-old-accidentally-shoots-hand-while-pheasant-hunting), 10/17/15: A 13-year-old suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the hand while pheasant hunting Saturday about eight miles north of Letcher. According to South Dakota Conservation Officer Andy Petersen, who's based in Mitchell, the teenager was transported to Avera Queen of Peace Hospital in Mitchell after the accident. The teenager is from Tennessee, Petersen said. Petersen said the investigation to the incident is not complete, so he declined to release additional details. Petersen said the opening weekend of the statewide pheasant opener was "steady" and he dealt with a broad range of violations. He said there were a few hunters without licenses in Aurora County. "Nothing in particular as far as violations sticks out," Petersen said Monday.

PHOENIX, AZ (http://tucson.com/news/state-and-regional/suspects-arrested-after-woman-found-bound-in-car/article_28621cf6-f07f-522c-a339-45e6198a884d.html), 10/17/15: Authorities say they have arrested three suspects in connection to a robbery in Phoenix that involved a woman being bound inside a vehicle. Police say a 26-year-old woman reported that she had been spending time with two men and another woman Saturday night when the three individuals tied her up and robbed her. The suspects allegedly forced the victim to withdraw money from a check cashing business. They then took the victim to a west Phoenix home, where officers later responded after receiving a report from a witness. The suspects fled the scene in a vehicle and then led officers on a foot chase. Police say one of the suspects accidentally shot himself during the incident. Officers found the victim tied up in the car. The suspects remain unidentified.

HANOVER, VA (http://www.nbc12.com/story/30294659/man-shot-while-getting-assistance-to-clean-gun-at-green-top-in-hanover), 10/17/15: A man was shot in the hand by his own gun while he was getting assistance to clean it, according to the Hanover County Sheriff's Office. Investigators say the victim walked into the Green Top on October 17 around 1:50 PM to get assistance cleaning and clearing his gun. There were remaining rounds in the weapon that, as he was being assisted, discharged, causing injuries to the owner's hand. The victim was taken to VCU Medical Center with non-life-threatening injuries. Investigators have not released any information on who was assisting the victim at this time.

RESERVE, LA (http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/10/reserve_teenager_shot_blames_d.html), 10/17/15: A Reserve teenager who was shot in the foot reported he was a victim of a drive-by attack. He later recanted, telling St. John the Baptist Parish sheriff's deputies that he accidentally shot himself, authorities said Monday (Oct. 19). Deputies found the 17-year-old boy, whose name was not released, Saturday about 8:25 PM while responding to reports of a shooting in the 8800 block of Houma Drive in Reserve, according to a Sheriff's Office statement. He told deputies that someone passing in a car fired one shot that hit him in the foot. But he couldn't describe the shooter or the car, according to the Sheriff's Office. In a later interview, he admitted to accidentally shooting himself in the foot with a pistol. He was taken by ambulance to a New Orleans hospital for treatment. Authorities said they might file charges upon completing their investigation.

GALLIANO, LA (http://wgno.com/2015/10/20/cut-off-man-arrested-for-drugs-and-stolen-property-after-shooting-himself-in-the-leg/), 10/17/15: The Lafourche Parish Sheriff’s Office says that a disturbance call in Galliano led to the arrest of a Cut Off man for possession of stolen property and drugs after he shot himself in the leg. Deputies responded to the disturbance call shortly after 6 PM on Saturday. Deputies say that they were told that 33-year-old Kalob Burris was involved in a fight with another man, where he pulled a handgun and fired a single shot, striking himself in the leg. Burris was able to flee the scene before deputies arrived on the scene but was eventually tracked down to a home in Cut Off. Deputies arrested Burris who admitted to shooting himself in the leg. They also say that when he was arrested he was found to be in possession of drugs and stolen property. After Burris was treated for his injury, he was transported to the Lafourche Parish Detention Center, where he is currently being held in lieu of $93,000 bond. Burris faces a series of charges, including illegal use of a weapon, felon in possession of a firearm, drug possession and possession of stolen property.

ANTIOCH, CA (http://www.contracostatimes.com/brentwood/ci_28998302/east-county-police-calls-assaults-burglaries-and-robberies), 10/17/15: Shooting -- At 6:11 PM, a person called police to report that his friend had accidentally shot himself in the chest on the 100 block of Merrill Drive.

LAKE SAINT LOUIS, MO (http://70westsentinel.com/newsdesk/lake-saint-louis-police-blotter-accidental-discharge-of-a-weapon/), 10/17/15 : Police investigated an accidental discharge of a weapon in the 300 block of Spring Day Court at 10:13 PM No injuries were reported.

[rmt]

So, boutons_deux, do you live in Texas? If so, doesn't it drive you crazy living amongst the gun-toting right-wingers?

[boutons_deux]

So, boutons_deux, do you live in Texas? If so, doesn't it drive you crazy living amongst the gun-toting right-wingers?

my plan if I ever see one open carrying: "There goes man with a teeny tiny DICK!"

[TheSanityAnnex]

my plan if I ever see one open carrying: "There goes man with a teeny tiny DICK!"
That would require you to go outside into the public.

[boutons_deux]

That would require you to go outside into the public.

hell no, in the restaurant, in front of everybody

[TheSanityAnnex]

my plan if I ever see one open carrying: "There goes man with a teeny tiny DICK!"
*pop *pop

the political forum becomes readable :bobo

[boutons_deux]

http://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/TMW2015-11-04colorLARGE.jpg

[boutons_deux]

The terrifying consequences of open carry: Neighbor’s pleas for help go unheeded before gunman kills three

When Naomi Bettis called 911 on Halloween morning to report a gunman going on a shooting rampage in the streets of Colorado Springs, Colorado, it was her second call for help. Bettis had earlier called 911 to report suspicious man brandishing a rifle, only to be told by the emergency operator that no help was coming because Colorado is an open-carry state.

“I don’t remember what they call it— open arms,” Bettis recalled to the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/11/03/in-colorado-springs-dispatcher-brushed-off-reports-of-a-man-with-a-gun/), referring to the 911 operator’s explanation of Colorado’s law allowing residents to openly carry registered firearms in public.

“She said, you know, we have that law here. And it just kind of blew me away, like she didn’t believe me or something,” Bettis explained incredulously. “I don’t think she probably thought it was an emergency until I made the second call, and that’s when I said, ‘That guy I just called you about, he just shot somebody.’”

33-year-old Noah Jacob Harpham calmly opened fire on his neighborsSaturday morning, first killing a passing bicyclist after he pleaded (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29059452/colorado-springs-police-confronted-shot-gunman-minutes) for his life before walking down the street with a rifle and a revolver and shooting dead two women sitting on their front porch.

Bettis told the Denver Pos (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29059452/colorado-springs-police-confronted-shot-gunman-minutes)t that the gunman, whom she recognized as her neighbor, “did have a distraught look on his face.”

“It looked like he had a rough couple days or so.”

Harpham, a recovering alcoholic (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/witnesses-describe-gunmans-rampage-in-colorado-springs/2015/11/01/e10bae08-8108-11e5-8bd2-680fff868306_story.html), later died in a gun battle with police. Police say it took seven minutes for them to respond after the initial phone calls, which they claim were made after the rampage began.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/03/the_terrifying_consequences_of_open_carry_neighbor s_pleas_for_help_go_unheeded_before_gunman_kills_t hree/

What if The Bad Guys gave an open carry party and the police didn't come?

[TheSanityAnnex]

What if spamming articles daily on a sports message board actually reduced gun violence?

[boutons_deux]

What if spamming articles daily on a sports message board actually reduced gun violence?

a perverted gun fellator's spam is an anti-gunner's bitch slapping. recognize.

[boutons_deux]

The Guns the NRA Doesn't Want Americans to Get

So-called smart guns could become a $1 billion market—and make us safer

One success of gun-rights activists over the past decade has been their campaign to block the advent of smart guns, firearms that use biometric and other sensor technologies to prevent them from being fired by anyone other than their owners.Even though smart guns are widely available overseas, no American gun retailers sell them—in no small part due to threats and harassment (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-11/how-new-jersey-s-smart-gun-law-backfired) aimed at any who have tried. But now, pending legislation could shake up that status quo.

The chill on smart guns in the United States is to some degree the unintended consequence of a 2002 New Jersey law that would phase out the sale of conventional guns in that state; the law requires New Jersey gun dealers to sell only smart guns once they become available in retail stores anywhere else in the country.

Fascitelli believes that within a decade smart guns could capture a third of the $3 billion US handgun market. A recent poll presented at a smart-gun conference in Seattle (http://www.govtech.com/public-safety/Smart-Guns-How-Close-Are-We-Really.html) by the political consultancy Penn Schoen Berland (http://www.psbresearch.com/who-we-are/)found that 54 percent of gun owners under the age of 45 are willing to consider swapping out their conventional pistols for smart guns. And 83 percent of gun owners, it found, want gun dealers to be able to sell the weapons.

n the 1990s, Colt's Manufacturing Co. built a prototype smart gun that could be fired only if the user wore a special ring. In 2000, rival Smith & Wesson promised to make all of its guns available with high-tech safety features. But both companies dropped the efforts after facing devastating boycotts led by gun-rights activists.

You can't be required to carry anything in a store," said the person who answered the phone at Lou's Firearms in Raritan, NJ (he declined to give his name). "It's just like telling every shoe store that they have to sell a Nike. I believe they should be available, but the market has to decide what they want to use." :lol

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/smart-guns-new-jersey-law

the adored, idolized "free market" bullshittiest LIE :lol

[boutons_deux]

2nd Amendment Fanatics Are Just This Desperate: How Wing-Nuts With Guns Are Trying to Hijack the Constitution

CSPOA’s Richard Mack wrote: (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2013/battle-lines)

“As sheriffs and peace officers across the nation have risen up to defend the rights of the people … others have gone on the offensive, attempting to undermine the power of the sheriff in any way they can. Thus we present to you the list of red coats … because they are coming.”
These CSPOA members are law enforcement officers, not weekend warriors playing soldier in a militia. Their office grants them a tremendous amount of power and responsibility. But there is absolutely no legal basis for their claim that they have the right to interpret the constitution. That document they purport to revere and defend explicitly established the process by which laws are to be interpreted — through courts that decide which statutes violate its provisions.
By deciding for themselves which laws they will choose to enforce — for whatever reason — they are actually violating the oath they claim to be upholding.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/2nd-amendment-fanatics-are-just-desperate-how-wing-nuts-guns-are-trying-hijack (http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/2nd-amendment-fanatics-are-just-desperate-how-wing-nuts-guns-are-trying-hijack)

You 2nd Amendment perverts and the perverted Oath Keepers and similar shitty ilk are a much bigger threat to America than Muslim terrorists.

[rmt]

What - no mention of the STABBING spree recently? Or the sword incident in Sweden?

[rmt]

2nd Amendment Fanatics Are Just This Desperate: How Wing-Nuts With Guns Are Trying to Hijack the Constitution

CSPOA’s Richard Mack wrote: (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2013/battle-lines)

“As sheriffs and peace officers across the nation have risen up to defend the rights of the people … others have gone on the offensive, attempting to undermine the power of the sheriff in any way they can. Thus we present to you the list of red coats … because they are coming.”
These CSPOA members are law enforcement officers, not weekend warriors playing soldier in a militia. Their office grants them a tremendous amount of power and responsibility. But there is absolutely no legal basis for their claim that they have the right to interpret the constitution. That document they purport to revere and defend explicitly established the process by which laws are to be interpreted — through courts that decide which statutes violate its provisions.
By deciding for themselves which laws they will choose to enforce — for whatever reason — they are actually violating the oath they claim to be upholding.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/2nd-amendment-fanatics-are-just-desperate-how-wing-nuts-guns-are-trying-hijack (http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/2nd-amendment-fanatics-are-just-desperate-how-wing-nuts-guns-are-trying-hijack)

You 2nd Amendment perverts and the perverted Oath Keepers and similar shitty ilk are a much bigger threat to America than Muslim terrorists.



Am I reading this right? Do you think 2nd Amendment supporters are a much bigger threat than say, ISIS? Guess like Obama thought - they're just JV.

[boutons_deux]

Am I reading this right? Do you think 2nd Amendment supporters are a much bigger threat than say, ISIS? Guess like Obama thought - they're just JV.

yep, America's most serious threats are internal, not external.

[rmt]

yep, America's most serious threats are internal, not external.

So you're saying that I'm (as a 2nd amendment supporter) a bigger threat to America than ISIS?

[Spurminator]

What - no mention of the STABBING spree recently?

That was a horrific incident. Did anyone die?

[boutons_deux]

So you're saying that I'm (as a 2nd amendment supporter) a bigger threat to America than ISIS?

90 gun deaths PER DAY in USA. How many shooters were ISIS?

what is "2nd amendment supporter" ? someone who got suckered by NRA's perverted interpretation of the 2nd Amendment to increase gun industry profits?

[Splits]

What - no mention of the STABBING spree recently? Or the sword incident in Sweden?

How many accidental stabbings the week of 10/18? There were 47 people accidentally second amendmented that week.



FORT WAYNE, IN (http://wane.com/2015/10/18/juvenile-in-good-condition-after-accidental-shooting/), 10/18/15: A juvenile is in good condition after being accidentally shot Sunday afternoon. Police were called to 2828 South Harrison Street around 3:30 AM for a reported shooting. According to police, a boy was accidentally shot, but was in good condition. Investigators have not said if the boy was handling the gun when it fired or if someone might have been cleaning the weapon. No other information was made available. The incident is under investigation.

TOMBSTONE, AZ (http://www.kvoa.com/story/30290441/tombstone-actor-shoots-himself-during-helldorado-days), 10/18/15: A reenactment actor is being treated at a Tucson hospital Sunday night after he was accidentally shot by another actor in his upper thigh. It happened in front of the O.K. Corral around 2 PM Sunday. The shooting was a part of the stunt show at Helldorado Days. An investigation by the Tombstone Marshal's Office revealed the actor, Tom Carter, was late to the show and his weapon was not checked before the reenactment. He fired a live round during the gunfight and hit Ken Curtis, who is another actor. The show was immediately stopped to care for Curtis. He is undergoing surgery Sunday night to remove the bullet. Carter's weapon was checked after the incident. Investigators found that there was one live round in the cylinder with five expended casing, which indicates the gun had held six live round before the reenactment. They later learned, at least two live round hit businesses. One of them hit a woman standing in front of the Bird Cage Theater, which is almost 700 feet away from where the shooting happened.

KERN CO., CA (http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20151018/off-duty-palmdale-deputy-accidentally-shoots-another-while-camping), 10/18/15: An off-duty Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputy accidentally discharged his non-department issued off-duty weapon, shooting another deputy in the leg while they were camping in a remote area of Kern County Sunday, authorities said. The wounded deputy was taken to a local hospital on Sunday morning, where he was being treated for “non-life threatening injuries,” according to an L.A. County Sheriff’s Department statement. Both deputies involved were from the department’s Palmdale Station. L.A. County Sheriff’s detectives from the Internal Affairs Bureau and the Homicide Bureau responded and are conducting a departmental investigation. The Kern County Sheriff’s Department will investigate all of the circumstances of the incident because it happened in its jurisdiction, the statement read. The names of the deputies involved were not immediately available, an L.A. County spokeswoman said.

TALLAHASSEE, FL (http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2015/10/18/tpd-teen-shoots-himself-while-stealing-car-arrested/74183528/), 10/18/15: A 17-year-old boy was arrested on concealed firearm and vehicle theft charges Sunday morning. He shot himself accidentally while stealing a car in the 500 block of Yeager Street, just south of the East Magnolia Drive and Meridian Street intersection, Tallahassee Police Department spokeswoman Rachelle Denmark said. Records show that two residential burglaries occurred about a block away within the last month. After the boy shot himself, he handed the keys to the stolen car to a friend and asked to be driven to the hospital. On the way, they were stopped by police officers at Miccosukee Road and Magnolia Drive. After receiving medical treatment, the boy was transported to the Juvenile Assessment Center. The statement did not include the boy's name, condition of his injuries or time of the theft. Denmark said more information will be provided Monday.

SOUTH SALT LAKE, UT (http://www.sltrib.com/home/3078617-155/would-be-s-salt-lake-robber-accidentally), 10/18/15: A 24-year-old West Valley City man was in critical condition Monday after accidentally shooting himself in the pelvis — twice — during a botched South Salt Lake convenience store holdup. South Salt Lake police Sgt. Gary Keller said the suspect allegedly went into a Sinclair store at 3300 South and Main Street at 7:17 PM Sunday, approached the clerk and tried to pull a handgun out of his waistband, and that is when it all went wrong. "The gun discharged, twice, but the suspect was able to limp out of the store," Keller said. Police say the suspect's 34-year-old male accomplice, waiting outside, took the gun and attempted to hide it in nearby bushes, then tried to act like a curious bystander before leaving the scene. Witnesses saw through the act and told investigators what they saw. The suspect and his accomplice, also a West Valley City resident, went to their room at the nearby Intown Suites motel. Police and paramedics responded there after receiving a 911 call reporting a self-inflicted shooting incident. Neither of the men was cooperative, initially refusing to provide identities or answer questions. However, witness accounts, and discovery of the firearm in the bushes near the store, quickly cleared the narrative, Keller said. The suspect remained in the hospital on Monday, while his alleged accomplice was booked into the Salt Lake County jail on suspicion of evidence tampering.

ANTIOCH, TN (http://www.dnj.com/story/news/2015/10/19/crime-watch-man-shoots-self-arm-leg/74244278/), 10/18/15: An Antioch man drove himself to Murfreesboro, then was taken to Saint Thomas Rutherford Medical Center for treatment after accidentally shooting himself. According to a police report provided to The Daily News Journal by the Murfreesboro Police Department, Dontillo Lamars Toliver, 21, of Anton Cove in Antioch, thought someone was in his yard around midnight Sunday, so he got his gun. When trying to put the weapon under the seat of his car, he accidentally shot himself in the arm and leg, he told officers.

EFFINGHAM, IL (http://www.effinghamdailynews.com/news/local_news/prosecutor-fatal-shooting-of-teen-was-an-accident/article_971bdb3c-7781-11e5-a4d7-3bf42d40eaf5.html), 10/18/15: The weekend shooting death of teenager Kaylee N. Jacob was unintentional, a prosecutor said Tuesday. Effingham County State's Attorney Bryan Kibler said a juvenile court proceeding has been initiated for one of the two boys arrested after 16-year-old Jacob was shot Sunday evening in the 3200 block of South Banker Street. Kibler said he could not discuss specifics of a juvenile case, but noted that authorities were proceeding as if it stemmed from an unintentional shooting. "I can assure the people of Effingham County that this shooting was not done in cold blood," Kibler said. "There was no intent to kill or hurt anyone." Kibler would not comment on the possibility of trying the case in adult court, though he said Monday that a transfer was possible. "Everything is still under investigation," he said on Tuesday. Jacob, an Effingham High School junior, was pronounced dead at HSHS St. Anthony's Memorial Hospital early Sunday evening. Police had been called to the shooting scene at 6:15 PM. The gun involved in the shooting had been reported as stolen, police have said. Kibler praised Effingham city police for a diligent investigation. "The city police have done a phenomenal job with this investigation," he said.

LOUISVILLE, KY (http://www.wave3.com/story/30300141/no-charges-filed-after-shooting-at-fairgrounds), 10/18/15: A person suffered minor injuries after a shooting during the Car Show and Swap at the fairgrounds Sunday. A vendor told WAVE 3 News a person's gun fell out of their pocket and shot their friend during the event in the West Wing of the Kentucky Expo Center. According to Louisville Metro police, the victim suffered non-life threatening injuries. An injured persons report was taken. No charges have been filed.

LEBANON, OR (http://democratherald.com/news/local/public-safety-log-oct/article_9a3dba79-538b-5330-8d7d-4c882087c64c.html), 10/18/15: Accidental shooting — 2:47 PM Sunday, 31900 block B Street, Lebanon. A male arrived at Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center in Corvallis with a gunshot wound to his hand. The 56-year-old said he should himself in the left ring finger accidentally. He was done cleaning the firearm and when he went to put it back in the holster, the snap got caught in the trigger guard, causing the discharge.

BEAUMONT, TX (http://www.kvue.com/story/news/state/2015/10/19/beaumont-accidental-shooting-clinic/74234836/), 10/19/15: Police are investigating an apparent accidental shooting Monday morning at the CHRISTUS Outpatient Pavilion located in the 700 block of 11th Street. A witness told KVUE’s news partner KBMT that a woman was in the waiting room of a medical office. When she reached into her purse to pull out some paperwork, a gun fell out of her purse causing it to discharge. The round went through a wall and hit another patient in the hip. "Everyone was sitting in the waiting room and there was a gun shot. A woman dropped her purse down on the counter and it shot through the wall and shot another lady," said Bobby Pressley, who was in the waiting room when the shooting occurred. A spokesperson for the Beaumont Police Department told KBMT that the injuries of the person that was shot are not considered life threatening. The victim was taken to the hospital for treatment.

DONNA, TX (http://www.krgv.com/news/local-news/Donna-Police-Investigating-Accidental-Shooting/35929116), 10/19/15: Donna police are investigating a shooting at La Plazita Park near 493 and Business 83. One man died in the accidental shooting. A nearby hospital called police, after a 52-year-old came in to the emergency room with a gunshot wound to the torso. Hospital staff was able to identify the man. Police went to investigate the man’s residence and found a rifle in his truck. They said there is evidence that the rifle accidentally discharged when the man was removing it from his vehicle. The identity of the man has not been released. Donna police are calling this incident a homicide until they have finished their investigation.

SECURITY-WIDEFIELD, CO (http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Sheriffs-Office-investigating-shooting-334300881.html), 10/19/15: The El Paso County Sheriff's Office is investigating a shooting on Goldfield Road near Grinnell Street and Fontaine Blvd. southeast of Security-Widefield. Investigators at the scene say a man and woman were inside a car that hit a tree. The vehicle's on-board system called dispatchers. When emergency crews arrived, they found the man had been shot. Investigators say his injuries are not life threatening. According to deputies, the man had been driving under the influence of prescription drugs when he hit the tree. As he was getting out of the car, a gun tucked into his shorts accidentally went off and he was shot in the leg. The man faces charges of DUI, Prohibited Use of a Weapon and False Reporting.

RHINE, GA (http://www.41nbc.com/story/d/story/dodge-county-toddler-accidentally-shoots-herself-i/42545/S8_8MWtLr0iwQocOFKNb0g), 10/19/15: A Dodge County toddler was airlifted to a Macon hospital Monday after the sheriff's office says she accidentally shot herself in the leg. Sheriff Lynn Sheffield tells 41NBC the three-year-old girl's injury is non-life threatening. According to the sheriff, the child's mother was in the bedroom and the toddler was in another room playing at a home in Rhine. The mother was moving a television on a chested drawer and the gun was on the furniture. Sheffield says the mother moved the weapon to the bed. She went back to moving the television and then heard the gun go off. Sheffield says the toddler crawled onto the bed and accidentally fired the gun into her right leg. Sheffield calls this a “horrible accident.” He is not releasing the name of the victim or her parents. The sheriff confirms the child is the toddler of one of his deputies. The father was not home at the time of the accident. Sheffield adds it was a personal gun, not his service weapon. Sheffield tells 41NBC he's not anticipating filing any charges.

STOCKTON, CA (http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/news-stockton/mom-watches-as-stockton-man-accidentally-shoots-kills-self/35940280), 10/19/15: A man died after accidentally shooting himself in the face in his Stockton garage as his mother watched, police said. The 20-year-old was working with his mother on a partially disassembled .22-caliber firearm about 5:30 PM Monday in their garage in the 3300 block of Zamora Way, according to Stockton police. The gun discharged, hitting the son in the face. The man was taken to a hospital where he died as a result of the gunshot wound, officers said. His identity has not been released.

ELYRIA, OH (http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2015/10/20/woman-injured-in-elyria-accidental-shooting/), 10/19/15: Police were called to a home for an accidental shooting around 3 PM Monday after a homeowner with a concealed carry permit shot herself in the leg. Elyria Police Lt. William Pelko said Nicole Gillette, of the 500 block of Baldwin Street, was putting a 9 mm handgun back into a safe when she dropped it. Gillette tried grabbing the gun before it hit the ground and it fired and a bullet grazed her calf, Pelko said. Gillette’s toddler daughter was at home when the accident occurred, Pelko said, but she wasn’t harmed. Gillette, who was fully alert and conscious following the accident, was transported by LifeCare to University Hospitals Elyria Medical Center. Pelko said Gillette wasn’t seriously injured and she and her daughter are lucky something worse didn’t happen. “She was out running some errands and came home,” Pelko said. “She has a CCW permit and was putting the gun in the safe because she has kids there. Somehow it fell out of her hand and fired. Thank goodness that’s all that happened.” Pelko said although a report hasn’t been finalized, firearms or child endangerment charges won’t likely be filed against Gillette.

BASSETT, WI (http://www.kenoshanews.com/news/news_briefs_woman_accidentally_shot_by_husband_484 912809.html), 10/19/15: A 73-year-old Bassett woman was taken by Flight for Life to Froedtert Hospital in Wauwatosa Monday night after she was accidentally shot. According to the Kenosha County Sheriff’s Department, her 78-year-old husband accidentally shot her while cleaning a revolver. The bullet passed through a wall before striking the woman. Her condition was not known.

CHINA GROVE, NC (http://www.salisburypost.com/2015/10/21/machete-man-earns-charge-with-concealed-sword/), 10/19/15: A man reported Monday that a handgun was accidentally discharged at the 100 block of Johnson Farm Road, China Grove.

LEHIGH ACRES, FL (http://www.news-press.com/story/news/crime/2015/10/20/lehigh-acres-2-year-old-shot/74264202/), 10/19/15: Yelling and screaming, a frantic search for car keys and then a car speeding away is what one Lehigh Acres resident said was the situation Monday afternoon at a home on South Alabama Road where a two-year-old was apparently accidentally shot. The Lee County Sheriff's Office is investigating a shooting that occurred at approximately 5:30 PM Monday at 554 Alabama Road, Lehigh Acres. A two-year old child was shot and was transported to Tampa Regional Hospital. Further in formation was not available from the sheriff's office due to the ongoing investigation. The shooting appears to be accidental. Robin Sanchez lives across Alabama Road on Pullman Street from the home where the shooting took place. She said the duplex residence had been empty until early in the summer when both sides of the home became occupied. "There is lots of loud yelling, a lot of activity, during the day," she said. Sanchez said she heard a commotion Monday around 5 PM including screaming and yelling and when she looked she saw a man yelling about keys and a woman holding what looked like a bundle. She said the man and woman seemed frantic until he told the woman to get in the car and they sped off. She said shortly thereafter her daughter told her that there were a lot of sheriff's cars at the home. Sanchez said the area is "usually" fairly quiet. 'We've had no problems out here," she said.

NICEVILLE, FL (http://www.nwfdailynews.com/article/20151031/NEWS/151029069), 10/20/15: A paramedic from Eglin Air Force Base called for help Oct. 20 after his roommate accidentally shot himself in the hand while cleaning his gun. The roommate came out of the bedroom and ran to the bathroom, according to his Niceville Police Department call history record. A friend drove him to the hospital. The paramedic reported that it was just a small hole in his friend's hand. The officer took photos of the room and found the bullet lodged inside a wall.

LEXINGTON, KY (http://www.lex18.com/story/30316011/police-woman-fires-shots-after-having-nightmares), 10/20/15: Lexington Police arrested a woman after they say she fired shots after having a nightmare. The incident happened on Ashton Drive Tuesday morning. According to police, Marionisha White was having a nightmare and thought an intruder was inside of her home. White told detectives she accidentally fired her gun. No one was injured but police say that bullets fired from White's gun struck a neighbor's house. A woman and three children were inside the home. They were not hurt. White has been charged with wanton endangerment.

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LOGAN, UT (http://www.ksl.com/?sid=37031266), 10/20/15: Several schools were put on lockdown Tuesday morning before police arrested a man who allegedly shot and wounded himself, officials said. Early Tuesday morning, a woman told police the man, Jose Almaguer, hadn't returned her car after he borrowed it Monday. The two had gotten into an argument early Tuesday morning, and he drove off in her car after she demanded it back, according to Captain Curtis Hooley with the Logan City Police Department. Police in the area searched for him, and an officer found the car on Main Street in Logan and made contact with Almaguer. Almaguer denied he had been told to return the car, but police escorted him back to the woman's residence near 290 West 1400 North. Police had no further information to detain him, so Almaguer left the area. Police searched the woman's car upon her request and found a bag of controlled substance. She told police Almaguer kept a .22 pistol in her garage, but it was missing and she believed he had it. Police tried to locate Almaguer again, but couldn't find him. Around 9 AM, the woman told police Almaguer came to her house and told her he shot himself in the arm. She said he was bleeding from his arm and head and he then allegedly fled east on 1400 North. Police set up a perimeter to try and locate the male. Police sent out a reverse 911 to residents with a description of Almaguer and the schools went on lockdown. Lockdowns were later lifted. About an hour into the search, an area resident told police a man who matched Almaguer's description had knocked on his door. Almaguer was believed to be in the man's backyard. Police then arrested him. Almaguer has a wound on his right wrist that is consistent with a small caliber gunshot wound. He was transported to Logan Regional Hospital for treatment, Logan police said. Hoodley said they are seeing more gun-type calls in Logan, but it doesn't happen very often and they "try to mitigate those circumstances and make sure our citizens are safe." "Well, when we have a gun call like this we certainly respond with a lot of officers just to try to get the situation taken care of as quickly as possible...that's one of the ways that we try to deal with it when we have a call such as this." This case is still under investigation. Police believe he did shoot himself, but he isn't being cooperative. Investigators are trying to determine how he was wounded, the connection with the drugs in the car, and if he was legally in possession of a firearm.

LAKEWOOD, WA (http://q13fox.com/2015/10/20/boy-shot-in-the-face-after-sneaking-onto-jblm-land-with-2-other-teens-police-say/), 10/20/15: Authorities are investigating after a 13-year-old boy was shot in the face Tuesday while trespassing on Joint Base Lewis-McChord property with two other teens. Police said one of the boys had a firearm and it went off. It was not immediately clear who fired the shot or shots. “It's still early but we think it was just an accident,” said Lakewood police Lt. John Unfred. “It was teenagers, probably not a lot of experience with guns.” Police said the teens snuck onto JBLM through a hole in the fence near 150th Street SW and Woodbrook Drive SW around 2 PM Tuesday. Thomas Barham said the hole has been there for 15 years. “My own daughter and my son, they’ve been out there,” he said. Barham said the fence doesn’t lead directly onto the base, but a wooded area owned by JBLM. “It's a nice area, the children have used it as a park for years.” Q13 Fox News reached out to JBLM to ask if it was aware of the hole in the fence. But the base has not responded to our questions. So we asked police about the land. “It's undeveloped through there, there's no buildings or roads in that general area. I suppose over time people have cut holes in it and accessed it,” Unfred said. The 13-year-old wounded boy was transported to a Tacoma hospital where he was listed in serious condition. Lakewood police were conducting the investigation with the FBI. The wounded teen's 14-year-old brother and another 17-year-old boy were both detained and questioned about the shooting. Police said the exact circumstances of the incident were still under investigation. They said some evidence was recovered in Lakewood. UPDATE: (http://www.katu.com/news/local/13-year-old-boy-shot-in-face-at-Lewis-McChord-dies-337133661.html) A 13-year-old boy who was shot in the face last week while trespassing with two other juveniles at Joint Base Lewis-McChord has died of his injuries. The young teen was identified by his family as Alexander Demello.

COLORADO SPRINGS, CO (http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/Toddler-finds-gun-at-playground-Look-mama-I-shoot-you-335011911.html?utm_content=buffer0a621&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer), 10/20/15: A visit to a neighborhood park turned terrifying when a 2-year-old boy found a real gun by the playground. It happened in a quiet neighborhood in northeast Colorado Springs near Marksheffel and Barnes. "My son picked up a .22 caliber handgun and pointed it at me and said, 'Look mama, I shoot you,'" the mother said. She asked not to be identified. She said the whole thing was a shock. "My coffee dropped, my cup broke. The first thing was to get it out of his hands," she said. She brought it inside her home and called 911. Police say she did the right thing. "Being that there is a good chance that another child could have found the firearm, it's an excellent idea that the parent picked the gun up and secured it so that it was safe," said Lt. Catherine Buckley with the Colorado Springs Police Department. Police said that gun is one of more than a dozen guns that were stolen out of a Rockey's Moving and Storage unit less than 10 miles away. "At that age they're curious, so if there was something in it, that could have been fatal for me, him or anyone around us," the boy's mother said. CSPD said this is the only gun they have found so far connected to those stolen from the storage unit. If you know anything about this case, contact police right away.


FERGUSON, MO (http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/10/22/officials-student-finds-gun-on-ferguson-school-playground/), 10/21/15: School officials say a student found a loaded gun on an elementary school playground in Ferguson. According to officials, the student found the weapon Wednesday morning in some mulch at Griffith Elementary School, but did not touch it. A letter sent home to students says the student told a teacher, who cleared students from the area and informed the principal. The district superintendent, district security and Ferguson police looked over the area to make sure it was secure. According to school principal Sean Joyce, officials believe the incident was a result of community use of the grounds after school hours. Joyce says they do not believe any students are involved in the incident.

NEW DENMARK, WI (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2015/10/21/man-accidentally-shoots-friend-stomach/74369538/), 10/21/15: A man accidentally shot his friend in stomach Wednesday night at a residence in rural southern Brown County, sheriff's officials said. The shooting occurred in the 5700 block of Cooperstown Road, south of the village of Denmark near the Brown-Manitowoc county line. The wounded person was rushed to an area hospital. Investigators who responded to the scene believe the shooting likely was accidental, according to Brown County Sheriff John Gossage.

JACKSON, NJ (http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2015/10/man_accidentally_shoots_himself_in_leg_police_say. html), 10/21/15: A 25-year-old township resident shot himself in the leg as he was preparing to clean his handgun, police said. Officers responded at around 2:45 PM to Johnson Lane for a report of a male who had shot himself, police said. The officers found a 25-year-old man, whose identity was not released, who had suffered a gunshot wound to the leg. Police said the man shot himself as he was preparing to clean his handgun. Police determined the shooting was accidental and that the firearm was legally owned. The man was treated at the scene and then taken to an area hospital for non-life threatening injuries, police said. Officers Kevin Chesney, William Campbell, William Simon, Sgt. Rich Bosley, Capt. Steve Laskiewicz and Detective Robert Reiff responded to the scene.

LEWISTON, ID (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/accidental-shooting-injures-idaho-police-officers-34654889), 10/21/15: Lewiston, Idaho, police say a gun accidentally fired in the department's basement at the end of a training session for the force's SWAT team, injuring the hands of two of the officers. The Lewiston Tribune reports ( http://bit.ly/... (http://bit.ly/1W6fFbh) ) the weapon fired Wednesday afternoon, and it's unclear if it happened while the gun was being cleaned or while bullets were being removed from its chamber. Police Chief Chris Ankeny says the injuries appear to be minor. The department has initiated an internal investigation.MORE: (http://www.klewtv.com/news/local/Gun-discharge-wounds-two-LPD-officers-after-training-event-335847631.html) An internal investigation is underway after two Lewiston Police officers were hurt when a duty-weapon accidentally went off. Investigators say the officers just finished a training event. One of them was cleaning his duty weapon, and that’s when the gun discharged. They were taken to St. Joseph Regional Medical Center for minor injuries to their hands.

NASHVILLE, TN (http://www.newschannel5.com/news/local-news/1-injured-in-accidental-shooting), 10/21/15: Police said a man showed up to the hospital claiming he had been hit by a stray bullet. The incident allegedly happened on South 6th Street just before 11 PM Wednesday. Authorities said the man eventually confessed he had accidentally shot himself with a friend’s gun. Officers said the man was expected to be okay.

MARIETTA, TX (http://www.kcentv.com/story/30319151/texas-man-injured-after-bullet-ricochets-off-armadillo), 10/21/15: An East Texas man was wounded after he fired a gun at an armadillo in his yard and the bullet ricocheted back to hit him in his face, the county sheriff said. Cass County Sheriff Larry Rowe said the man, who was not identified, went outside his home in Marietta, southwest of Texarkana, at around 3 AM He spotted the armadillo on his property and opened fire. "His wife was in the house. He went outside and took his .38 revolver and shot three times at the armadillo," Rowe said. The animal's hard shell deflected at least one of three bullets, which then struck the man's jaw, he said. The man was airlifted to a nearby hospital, where his jaw was wired shut, according to Rowe. The status of the animal is unknown. "We didn't find the armadillo," the sheriff said.

MONTGOMERY, AL (http://www.al.com/news/montgomery/index.ssf/2015/10/2_shot_at_west_montgomery_nigh.html), 10/21/15: One man was killed and a second was injured early Wednesday morning in a shooting outside a west Montgomery nightclub. Tracy Edwards, 41, of Montgomery was found suffering from a gunshot wound in the 600 block of South Holt Street outside Club Big Boyz at around 3:45 AM, according to Montgomery police. He was transported to an unspecified local hospital where he later died. A second man suffered a non-life-threatening self-inflicted gunshot wound. Lt. Denise Barnes said the unidentified man appeared to accidentally shoot himself while taking out his weapon and running from the scene. He isn't believed to have been shooting at anyone. Montgomery police haven't released the circumstances surrounding the homicide at it remains under investigation. No arrests have been made.

HAZEL GREEN, AL (http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2015/10/2_injured_in_accidental_shooti.html), 10/22/15: Two people received minor injuries Thursday when a dropped gun went off inside a Hazel Green supermarket. WAFF 48 reports that a customer's gun fell to the floor inside Griner's Supermarket and discharged, with the fired bullet striking the gun's owner and another customer. They were taken to the hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. No one else was injured. The incident remains under investigation.

BROOKLYN CENTER, MN (http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/10/22/police-man-injured-in-self-inflicted-accidental-shooting/), 10/22/15: Brooklyn Center police say a man needed hospitalization after he accidentally shot himself early Thursday morning. At 2 AM Thursday, police responded to the report of a gunshot victim at a house on the 5300 block of Morgan Avenue. As officers were arriving, they were told that this was a possible accidental shooting. Upon arrival officers located a man in the home with a gunshot wound. Police say he was conscious and alert at the time and no other occupants of the home reported injuries. The man was then taken to the hospital and is expected to recover fully from his injuries. After talking to witnesses at the scene, it was determined to be an accidental shooting. No charges are expected.

LAFAYETTE, LA (http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/2015/10/22/lafayette-man-shoots-himself-ankle-holstering-gun/74390690/), 10/22/15: A Lafayette man shot himself in the ankle in an accidental shooting Thursday morning. The man told police he was attempting to holster his gun at his home near Johnston Street and Bertrand Drive when it discharged, firing into his ankle, Lafayette Police Public Information Officer Paul Mouton said. He was pulled over by police on his way to the hospital after they noticed him driving at a high rate of speed. Mouton said police do not suspect foul play to be a factor in the shooting.

KANSAS CITY, MO (http://www.kctv5.com/story/30338483/umkc-dorm-flooded-by-gunshot), 10/22/15: Someone who accidentally fired a gun inside a university dormitory ended up causing a very large mess. Thursday night students were forced to evacuate the Oak Street Residence Hall on the campus of the University of Missouri-Kansas City when fire alarms went off about 6:54 PM. “We had an accidental discharge of a firearm. The bullet pierced the pipe for the sprinkler system. That automatically set off a fire alarm, then the water started gushing,” said John Martellaro, the director of media relations for UMKC. The burst pipe caused extensive flooding and damage to rooms. The next day, cleaning crews were still on site. Police are looking for the suspects. Per school policy, guns aren’t allowed in the dorms or on campus. “Yes, it very well could have (ended tragically) and that’s why they’re not allowed in these buildings. And we’ve had some very frank conversations with the students to remind them. You know, this is a perfect example of what can go wrong. I mean, a person was not trying to fire the gun. They just had it out and it discharged,” Martellaro said. Students like Ayana Roberson say the news was unnerving. “It just made me kind of feel like I can’t just freely walk around the dorm by myself anymore. Just knowing that anyone could have a gun,” she said. Others are now looking for guidance in case there’s another gun incident. “There should be more classes for people to know what to do. Because I don’t think anyone would know what to do if that were to happen. So, if they’re going to be gun-free zones, I feel like we should be able to have a class or some sort of public announcement on what to do,” Nicolette Mazarowski said. A school spokesperson said there isn’t currently a policy in place on what to do in a gun incident, but they are looking into it.

WICHITA, KS (http://ksnt.com/2015/10/27/man-charged-in-fatal-shooting-of-21-year-old-man-in-wichita/), 10/22/15: A man has been charged in the shooting death of 21-year-old man in southeast Wichita. Nineteen-year-old Octevious Loudermilk was charged Monday with involuntary manslaughter in the death of Tajay McGee. Prosecutors say Loudermilk turned himself in to police after accidentally shooting McGee Thursday night. The victim was found dead in the basement of a duplex with a gunshot wound to the head. The Wichita Eagle reports Loudermilk is being held in the Sedgwick County Jail in lieu of a $100,000 bond. It was not immediately clear if he has an attorney.

SAN ANTONIO, TX (http://www.foxsanantonio.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/8year-accidentally-shot-mom-16909.shtml#.Vivl4KRExxU), 10/23/15: An 8-year-old boy was accidentally shot by his mother at their West Side home. The shooting happened around 10 PM Friday at a home on Canterbury Drive, near Culebra and Callaghan. Police say the mom was cleaning the gun when it accidentally went off. The bullet hit her son in the right leg. The boy was taken to University Hospital in stable condition. Police say since the shooting was an accident, no charges would be filed against the mother.

BARTOW, FL (http://www.theledger.com/article/20151024/NEWS/151029646), 10/23/15: A 5-year-old suffered a gunshot wound to his hand Friday morning after grabbing a gun that was left on top of a refrigerator at a relative's home, Polk County sheriff's detectives said. There was also a container of candy on top of the refrigerator, which Carlos Delgado was reaching for, the Sheriff's Office said. The Sheriff's Office said the Winter Haven boy is at St. Joseph's Hospital in Tampa with non-life threatening injuries to his left hand after he shot himself. His mother, Maria Delgado, 22, was staying with her sister, Anabel Delgado, 20, at her home off Hunt Road in Bartow and she told detectives she was in the living room when she heard a loud bang come from the kitchen about 8:50 AM, said sheriff's spokeswoman Donna Wood. Delgado said she ran into the kitchen where she found her son bleeding from his hand. The child was taken to Winter Haven Hospital and ER personnel contacted the Sheriff's Office, Wood said. Detectives learned Anabel Delgado kept two handguns hidden on top of her refrigerator for her personal safety, Wood said. Wood said no charges had been filed as of Saturday but the investigation into the shooting is ongoing.

BIRMINGHAM, AL (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/10/teen_suspect_in_carjackings_vi.html), 10/23/15: A Birmingham teen is behind bars, suspected in a string of carjackings, and possibly linked to other violent crimes in at least four area cities and communities. Harold Tadarius Mason, 18, was arrested Tuesday by Jefferson County sheriff's deputies. He is charged with two counts of first-degree robbery and could face additional charges in Homewood, Bessemer and Birmingham. He is being held in the county jail with bonds totaling $500,000. Mason was initially taken into custody by Birmingham police Sunday night following a carjacking in Homewood. Authorities said he was captured in the New Hill community where he lives, and said he couldn't run from police because he had accidentally shot himself in the foot two days earlier.

GARDNER, MA (http://www.telegram.com/article/20151024/NEWS/151029472/13406/NEWS), 10/24/15: A father and son were injured by a shotgun blast in a hunting accident Saturday morning, according to police. Police Lt. Richard A. Braks said in a press release that Officers Derek Ferreira and Matthew Arsenault were sent to the wildlife management area on Smith Street Extension about 8:15 AM for a report of two males hurt by a shotgun blast. The officers assisted the two men after finding them walking from the wildlife management area to the parking lot, according to Lt. Braks. The victims, identified as Kristi Panduki, 30, of Boston, and Khimitraq Panduki, 73, of Newton, were both hit in the face by several bird shot pellets while hunting pheasants, according to Lt. Braks. Neither was hit in the eye. The father and son were treated in the parking lot by emergency medical personnel and then transported to Henry Heywood Hospital for further treatment. Lt. Braks said he did not believe their injuries were serious enough that the men would have been admitted to the hospital. Lt. Braks said there were many hunters in the area and that the two men were shot by another hunter whose identity had not yet been determined. Gardner police and the Massachusetts Environmental Police are investigating.

GAINESVILLE, MO (http://www.ozarkcountytimes.com/news/article_d8004694-78d3-11e5-a8f1-63111d859c72.html), 10/24/15: A 50-year-old man reportedly shot himself in the foot Saturday morning with a black powder rifle during the muzzleloader management hunt at Caney Mountain Conservation Area north of Gainesville. The man’s name has not been released. A call reportedly came into the Ozark County Sheriff’s Department at 7:43 AM Oct. 17, and the reporting party told a dispatcher a man had injured himself when his muzzleloader discharged, sending a bullet through the man’s foot. Air Evac was initially called to the scene but was canceled before arrival. The patient reportedly refused medical treatment on scene. Ozark County Deputy Kenny Hannaford initially responded to the call but turned over the case to Missouri Conservation Agent Jerry Kiger. The Caney Mountain muzzleloader season is an annual management hunt in which hunters apply in a lottery system to to have their name drawn for the chance to hunt for a three-day season in October. The lottery draw included 250 participants in this year’s managed hunt.

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HOPKINSVILLE, KY (http://www.kentuckynewera.com/news/article_b19ffc26-7aa7-11e5-ad14-7771bb5aefce.html), 10/24/15: The 14-year-old male was cleaning the gun when he accidentally shot himself, said Hopkinsville Police Lt. Chris Aldridge.

MILLCREEK, PA (http://www.yourerie.com/news/news/7-year-old-millcreek-child-shot-in-the-arm), 10/24/15: A 7 year old Millcreek boy underwent surgery this afternoon at UPMC Hamot after the gun he was holding discharged, striking him in the arm. Millcreek police were called to a house in the 2000 block of Charleston Ave just after 12:30 Saturday afternoon. The child was reportedly sitting in a pick-up parked in the driveway with his two siblings when the 7 year old pulled the gun from the center console of the vehicle. When an older sibling attempted to pull the gun away, it discharged striking the 7 year old in the upper right arm. He is listed in stable condition at UPMC Hamot. Police are treating this as an accidental shooting but say the investigation is ongoing.

FORREST CITY, AR (http://wreg.com/2015/10/24/child-shot-at-forrest-city-football-game/), 10/24/15: A 10-year-old is in the hospital after being shot in the foot at a pee wee football game in Forrest City, police said. The shooting occurred due to a hunting accident, police said. The football field is next to a wooded area, where a hunter fired his weapon, hitting the kid on the field. It happened at 3:45 PM Saturday. The child was taken to Forrest City Medical Center with an injury that is not life-threatening. FCPD is still investigating. Police do have a person of interest in custody, and charges are pending.

SIOUX FALLS, SD (http://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2015/10/24/shooting-sioux-falls/74535416/), 10/24/15: A 21-year-old Sioux Falls man is charged with manslaughter after a rifle went off at a gathering early Saturday, killing a close friend. David Leonard Randle Jr. was handling the loaded gun in a northwest Sioux Falls apartment when it discharged, police said. Authorities did not release the name of the 19-year-old victim, but Randle's mother said he was a friend. "These boys have been friends a long time," Shona Randle said. "It was an accident." Police were called to the apartment at 4425 W. Briggs Drive, unit No. 32, at 2:42 AM. Efforts to revive the 19-year-old victim were unsuccessful. Several others were in the apartment at the time, and both marijuana and alcohol were factors in the incident, Capt. Blaine Larsen said. Neighbor Butch Thompson said he woke up to his dog barking. He saw caution tape surrounding the area and his first thought was that the neighbors decorated for Halloween. Then he saw police cars. "You just don't think that crime would hit that close to home," Thompson said. "My wife was very frightened." Thompson does not know the people who live in the apartment but said he often saw people going in and out, making short visits at all hours of the day. "We don't want party houses out here, but every once in a while they slip through management," Thompson said. Sarah Loecker lives in a unit across the parking lot from where the shooting took place. She found out about it when she was unable to get to her friend's car because it was blocked by caution tape. "We're all pretty quiet around here," Loecker said. "It makes me worried and scared to live here." In July, Randle was one of three people arrested after shots were fired in two residential neighborhoods. He was suspected of firing a shot that went through a garage, striking a vehicle, in the 1700 block of South First Avenue. Shona Randle said she spoke with her son Saturday morning. "He's in shock," Shona said. "His friend is gone." The victim's name was being withheld pending notification of his family. More details are expected Monday morning at the police department's 10:30 AM media briefing. MORE: (http://www.kdlt.com/news/local-news/Victim-Of-Accidental-Shooting-In-Sioux-Falls-Identified/36055258) Capt. Blaine Larsen says 19-year-old Mikael Mengitsu Ashame was shot in the leg around 2:30 AM Saturday during a gathering at an apartment. The Sioux Falls man died at the scene despite first aid efforts.

CHESTERFIELD, VA (http://www.nbc12.com/story/30349672/chesterfield-father-killed-by-accidental-gunshot-on-family-fishing-trip), 10/24/15: A Chesterfield father of four died from an accidental gunshot wound while driving with his kids, Chesterfield police said Monday. The victim's father-in-law identified him as Nick Clavier. He was driving with his four children on Hull Street Road around 1:17 PM on Saturday, according to Chesterfield Police. Somehow, a gun went off striking Clavier, 32, and sending his car into a wooded area near the Cross Pointe Church of the Nazarene, police said. Clavier died Sunday from his wounds.The four children in the car were uninjured. Police aren't revealing much about the investigation, but said Monday they are looking into it as an accidental shooting and are not looking for any suspects. Clavier's father-in-law Pastor, Nathan Boehm, says the family is grieving the loss. He says the children's mother, 30-year-old Melody, was in Delaware when she received the news. The couple had been together for 11 years. The oldest child is 9-year-old, according to relatives, and took the three others to a nearby church after the shooting. They were headed on a fishing trip when the incident unfolded, relatives said. A crowdfunding account raised more than $12,000 for the family in the day following his death. "I have always been a giver never asking for help. Nathan and I have poured into others our whole life and sacrificed for ministry to pour into broken lives. I am not one to ask for help but my sweet baby girl who also has always helped others even when she did without herself is really gonna need help," an update on the GoFundMe page states. "When she lost her husband yesterday not only did she lose her best friend she lost her provider for her family. She has been a stay at home mom of four, one with asbergers [sic]. Nick did not have life insurance and she is left with a mortgage and a car in need of repair. They are truly in need of God's provision. I am asking that we truly do as Christ would want us to do and take care of a widow and her children..." Pastor Boehm said Clavier had a gun and a carry permit, but the family is still trying to understand how he was shot. Clavier had worked as a carpenter, but Boehm says they had little savings. Funeral arrangements have not yet been made.

NORTH WEBSTER, IN (http://host.madison.com/news/top-news/dog-named-trigger-shoots-owner-during-indiana-waterfowl-hunt/article_dbd56764-768c-58ad-b1f0-26836974c993.html), 10/24/15: Authorities say a northern Indiana woman is recovering after being shot in the foot by her dog. And the dog's name? Trigger. Indiana Conservation Officer Jonathon Boyd says 25-year-old Allie Carter of Avilla laid her 12-gauge shotgun on the ground without the safety on during a waterfowl hunt Saturday at Tri-County Fish and Wildlife Area. Boyd says Carter's chocolate Labrador retriever, Trigger, stepped on top of the shotgun and depressed the trigger. He says Carter was shot in the left foot at point-blank range, suffering injuries to her foot and toes. She was treated at two hospitals and released. Tri-County Fish and Wildlife Area is about 140 miles north of Indianapolis.

DECATUR, IL (http://www.illinoishomepage.net/news/local-news/fatal-shooting-investigated-as-accidental), 10/24/15: Police are investigating a possible accidental shooting. It happened in the 100-block of South Calhoun Street. Eddie Harvey was pronounced dead Saturday. Police say he died at the hospital from an apparent gunshot wound.

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Thanks to the NRA Over 2000 Suspected Terrorists Were Able to Buy Guns in the U.S.

Christopher Ingraham writing in the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/16/why-the-nra-opposed-laws-to-prevent-suspected-terrorists-from-buying-guns/?utm_content=buffer4777a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)reported, “Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.”

There you go, the NRA arming terrorists. In a rational political discussion about the alleged risks posed by refugees, we would be pretty focused on keeping assault weapons out of the hands of any terrorists who we are told will come in with the refugees. But notice, Republicans don’t address this, even as Chris Christie tells us that he would deny even a 3-year-old orphaned refugee. Demonstrating his failure to understand how we vet incoming refugees:

Hugh Hewitt (https://twitter.com/hughhewitt)
(https://twitter.com/hughhewitt)✔@hughhewitt (https://twitter.com/hughhewitt)

Because he lacks confidence in Administration's vetting ability, @ChrisChristie (https://twitter.com/ChrisChristie) says no Syrian refugees now, not even "3 year old orphans"
3:08 PM - 16 Nov 2015 (https://twitter.com/hughhewitt/status/666362298965999616)

Yes, we can’t be too careful. Unless of course, it comes to guns. When it comes to guns, we should give them to EVERYONE, no questions asked. To ask a question is to infringe on second amendment rights, which are sacred, unlike your first amendment rights, according to Republicans.

“But people on the FBI’s consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is “reasonable suspicion” that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles,” the Post explained.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/16/nra-2000-suspected-terrorists-buy-guns-u-s.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

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Thanks to the NRA Over 2000 Suspected Terrorists Were Able to Buy Guns in the U.S.

Christopher Ingraham writing in the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/16/why-the-nra-opposed-laws-to-prevent-suspected-terrorists-from-buying-guns/?utm_content=buffer4777a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)reported, “Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.”

There you go, the NRA arming terrorists. In a rational political discussion about the alleged risks posed by refugees, we would be pretty focused on keeping assault weapons out of the hands of any terrorists who we are told will come in with the refugees. But notice, Republicans don’t address this, even as Chris Christie tells us that he would deny even a 3-year-old orphaned refugee. Demonstrating his failure to understand how we vet incoming refugees:

Hugh Hewitt (https://twitter.com/hughhewitt)
(https://twitter.com/hughhewitt)✔@hughhewitt (https://twitter.com/hughhewitt)

Because he lacks confidence in Administration's vetting ability, @ChrisChristie (https://twitter.com/ChrisChristie) says no Syrian refugees now, not even "3 year old orphans"
3:08 PM - 16 Nov 2015 (https://twitter.com/hughhewitt/status/666362298965999616)

Yes, we can’t be too careful. Unless of course, it comes to guns. When it comes to guns, we should give them to EVERYONE, no questions asked. To ask a question is to infringe on second amendment rights, which are sacred, unlike your first amendment rights, according to Republicans.

“But people on the FBI’s consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is “reasonable suspicion” that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles,” the Post explained.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/16/nra-2000-suspected-terrorists-buy-guns-u-s.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29



There are over 700,000 people on the suspected terrorist you fucking moron. Half of those have zero ties to any know terrorist group.

https://theintercept.com/2014/08/05/watch-commander/

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There are over 700,000 people on the suspected terrorist you fucking moron. Half of those have zero ties to any know terrorist group.

https://theintercept.com/2014/08/05/watch-commander/

Not only do you LIE that govt wants to confiscate your beloved guns, but you LIE that gun sellers are responsible, cautious about to whom them sell.

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Not only do you LIE that govt wants to confiscate your beloved guns, but you LIE that gun sellers are responsible, cautious about to whom them sell.
What the fuck does this have to do with the extremely vague 700,000 person large list we are discussing? What would your thoughts be if this same list prohibited people from flying?

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What the fuck does this have to do with the extremely vague 700,000 person large list we are discussing? What would your thoughts be if this same list prohibited people from flying?

you're discussing it, not me. The article said 2000 guns sold to shady people. How many guns and people acted in Paris?

If terrorists wanted to do a Paris in USA, they have NO PROBLEM getting armed to the teeth.

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you're discussing it, not me. The article said 2000 guns sold to shady people. How many guns and people acted in Paris?

If terrorists wanted to do a Paris in USA, they have NO PROBLEM getting armed to the teeth.

Your article failed to mention those 2,000 suspected terrorists come from an extremely vague list of 700,000 suspected terrorists with over half having zero ties to any known terrorist group. If this same list was used to prohibit people from flying you'd be on here screaming discrimination and racism. Your hypocrisy is amusing.

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Supreme Court lets ban on assault weapons stand

In a victory for gun-control advocates, the Supreme Court on Monday rejected a 2nd Amendment challenge to laws that forbid the sale or possession of semiautomatic weapons that carry more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

The justices by a 7-2 vote refused to review rulings by judges in Chicago who upheld a ban on assault weapons in the city of Highland Park (http://www.latimes.com/topic/chicago-suburbs/highland-park-CHIS0027-topic.html) as a reasonable gun-control regulation.

Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia dissented.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-supreme-court-assault-weapon-20151207-story.html

and of course the very bottom of the Repugs' SCOTUS garbage can dissented.

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The Second Amendment Is Not Absolute

We impose restrictions on all sorts of constitutional rights. The right to bear arms is no different.

Whatever the source, you likely have been told that regulating guns in virtually any way violates the Second Amendment.

I therefore offer today this quick constitutional refresher course: It does not.

Constitutional rights are not absolute. They never have been and, practically, never can be. In our constitutional democracy, we have always recognized that we can, and must, have our constitutional cake and regulate it too.

Take, for example, our freedom of speech. It is one of the most clearly stated and robustly protected rights in the Constitution, yet it is also subject to numerous restrictions. Our speech might not be protected if it falsely damages someone’s reputation, aids and abets a crime, contains a threat of violence, reveals a trade or military secret, harasses, plagiarizes, inflicts severe emotional distress, is deemed to be obscene, incites violence, or leaks classified information, to name a few. The United States Supreme Court further allows restrictions on when (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/28/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-protester-rives-grogan/26532887/), where (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/28/appeals-court-upholds-ban-on-demonstrations-on-the-supreme-court-plaza/), and how (https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/491/781)we can express ourselves even when the message itself is protected. In some cases we control who may speak, such as limitations we may constitutionally impose on the speech of students (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/06pdf/06-278.pdf), prisoners (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/05pdf/04-1739.pdf), and government employees (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/05pdf/04-473.pdf).

When determining what regulations on speech are acceptable, the Supreme Court carefully weighs the significant value of protecting the freedom of expression against the countervailing public interests. Thus you certainly have a right to protest, but not in a public park without a permit. You have a right to exclaim your beliefs, but not with a sound truck at night in a residential neighborhood. You have a right to express yourself through art, but not with a can of spray paint on someone else’s car. Child pornography is indisputably a type of speech, yet the Supreme Court gives it no constitutional protection, zero, because the court believes that the harm it inflicts on the abused children far outweighs any expressive value.

The same is true of our freedom to exercise our religions. The court has held (in an opinion authored by Justice Antonin Scalia (https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/494/872)) that as long as a government regulation applies to everyone equally and does not target a particular religious group, many general laws that infringe on religious practices are nonetheless constitutional. Thus, if your religion involves the use of a banned hallucinogen like peyote, as was the situation in the Supreme Court case involving members of the Native American Church, your constitutionally protected right to freely exercise your religious beliefs takes a back seat to the state’s interest in uniform drug laws.

The Second Amendment, of course, is no exception. In the 2008 case of District of Columbia v. Heller (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf), the Supreme Court told us that we have a constitutional right to possess firearms for self-defense, at least within our homes. But the opinion never suggested that this right was unconditional or immune from all regulation. In fact, Justice Scalia, writing for the majority, said just the opposite. In Heller, he specifically said that “the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.”

Protecting the right to keep and bear arms is not the same as forbidding all regulations on that right.

We can protect that right and still require background checks, permits, and training. We can still regulate when, where, and what kinds of guns are allowed. In some cases, we can regulate who can obtain guns, imposing restrictions on, for instance, felons, the mentally ill, and known terrorists. We can ban firearms such as military-style assault weapons that (like child pornography) plainly cause far more harm than they add in value.

We can require those who are negligent with their weapons (as we do those who are negligent with their words in defamation cases) to be held liable for the harm they inflict on others. We can do all of these things; we just don’t. There might be policy reasons to debate the pros and cons of specific regulations, but there’s no reason to assume that there is a constitutional problem.

And you don’t need to take my word for it. Let’s take another listen to Justice Scalia inHeller, shall we? The Second Amendment, he stated, does not protect “the right of citizens to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to speak for any purpose.” He further noted that nothing in the court’s decision “should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/12/second_amendment_allows_for_gun_control.html

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Gun Industry Executives Say Mass Shootings Are Good for Business (https://theintercept.com/2015/12/03/mass-shooting-wall-st/)

Behind closed doors, speaking with investors and Wall Street analysts, the gun industry views mass shootings as an opportunity to make lots of money.

Ordinary people are despairing about the frequency (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/02/mass-shootings-in-america-numbers-more-frequent-more-deadly) of tragic events like the murderous rampage in San Bernardino on Wednesday, or the Planned Parenthood massacre last week. And the cycle of mass killing, media frenzy, and political stalemate starts anew each time.
But meanwhile, gun sales continue (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/black-friday-gun-sales-soared-fbi-data-shows.html) to break records, a fact that has not gone ignored by financial analysts.

The Intercept reviewed investor transcripts for gun companies, ammunition manufacturers, and sporting stores, and found many instances of industry executives discussing mass shooting incidents and the resulting political dynamics as lucrative.

Here’s how it works. Following a mass shooting, there is talk of gun control, which the National Rifle Association and other gun advocates attack as an assault on the Second Amendment. Notably, gun and ammunition manufacturers often donate, either directly or as a portion of each sale, to the NRA. The fear of losing gun rights leads to panic buying, which brings greater profits to gun retailers, gun companies and their investors.

Gun Distributors

“The gun business was very much accelerated based on what happened after the election and then the tragedy that happened at Sandy Hook,” Ed Stack, the chief executive of Dick’s Sporting Goods, a leading gun and ammunition retailer, said in September 2014 at the Goldman Sachs Global Retailing Conference. Stack noted that the industry saw “panic buying” when customers “thought there were going to be some very meaningful changes in our gun” laws. The new sales “didn’t bring hunters in” but rather “brought shooters into the industry,” he added.

In 2012, 20-year-old Adam Lanza fatally shot 20 children and 6 adult staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

Last year, Tommy Millner, the chief executive of Cabela’s, a retailer that sells guns, boasted at an investor conference in Nebraska that his company made a “conscious decision” to stock additional weapons merchandise before the 2012 election, hoping Obama’s reelection would result in increased sales. After the election, the Newtown mass shooting happened, and “the business went vertical … I meant it just went crazy,” Millner said, according to a transcript of the event. Describing the “tailwinds of profitability,” Millner noted Cabela’s “didn’t blink as others did to stop selling AR-15 platform guns,” and so his company “got a lot of new customers.” The AR-15 is a high-powered assault rifle based on the military’s M-16 model but without the full automatic capacity,

Steven Miller, the chief executive of Big 5 Sporting Goods, another gun retailer, was asked by investor analysts in 2013 to describe the state of the market during a conference call that year. The “real surge” in firearm sales, Miller said, “took place following the tragedy in Sandy Hook.”

Gun and Ammunition Manufacturers

Smith & Wesson chief executive James Debney, speaking to the Roth Capital Partners conference in 2013, explained that “the tragedy in Newtown and the legislative landscape” resulted in sales that were “significantly up.” The “fear and uncertainty that there might be increased gun control,” Debney said, “drove many new people to buy firearms for the first time.

“You can see after a tragedy, there’s also a lot of buying,” Jeff Buchanan, the chief financial officer of Smith & Wesson, told investors at the RBC Capital Markets conference in September of this year. Buchanan noted that the political landscape of 2016 is uncertain, but that fear of gun control could be on the horizon.

Michael Fifer, the chief executive of Sturm Ruger, one of the largest gunmakers in America, discussed the role of politics in gun sales during a conference call with investors in 2013. “If you look back at historical patterns back in late ’08, early ’09, you saw a huge spike in accessory sales which then tapered off, and then we saw it again with the really tragic events at Sandy Hook that started again as soon as the politicians started talking about restricting legal gun use,” Fifer said.

Wall Street Analysts

Market analysts, including consultants who often hold executives accountable to investors, have been keen to ask gun companies about how they are able to respond to surging sales following mass shootings.

Gautam Khanna, an analyst with Cowen & Co., an investment banking and market research firm, interviewed Mark DeYoung, then the chief executive of ATK, an ammunition manufacturer, at the Cowen Aerospace conference in 2013. Khanna asked DeYoung if he would make pricing decisions based in part by the “Newtown shooting tragedy.”

DeYoung responded that “obviously we are all shocked” by “what happened in Newtown and what happened in Aurora, Colorado, and what happened in Tucson, Arizona, with Gabby Giffords.” But, he added, the company will continue to “respond to market pressures,” :lol including increases in demand. On a separate conference call that year, DeYoung noted that certain “spikes” in demand have driven sales.

James Holmes killed 12 people and injured more than 70 others after opening fire in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater in 2012.
In 2011, Jim Barrett, a financial analyst, asked Ruger’s Fifer during a call with investors if the “recent shooting incident in Tucson” — referring to the shooting that year of Rep. Gabby Giffords — “has stirred gun owners and prospective gun owners to go visit the stores?”
Bob Sales, another analyst, asked Fifer how his company was preparing for future gun sales, given that “a combination of the election in 2012 and the Sandy Hook incident … spurred a massive binge of gun buying.”

On a conference call with investors, Millner, the chief executive of Cabela’s, fielded a question about the Aurora mass shooting from an analyst with Imperial Capital, who asked him if the incident had “any impact on your business.” Millner responded, “I would say that the trends that you read about in the press, we are experiencing at least thus far since the incident.”

The business rhetoric around mass shootings “doesn’t surprise me at all,” says Ladd Everitt, the director of communications of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. Everitt noted that the National Rifle Association, which is funded by gun manufacturers, often uses similar language following mass shootings.

“This just shows the guys in the suits understand this and are utterly cynical about it.

https://theintercept.com/2015/12/03/mass-shooting-wall-st/

2nd Amendment? :lol

It's All About The Benjamins

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Gun Advocates Plan Mock Shooting At University Of Texas In Austin

Gun rights advocates plan to stage a mock shooting (http://www.chron.com/local/education/campus-chronicles/article/mock-mass-shooting-ut-austin-texas-gun-free-zone-6686838.php) on Saturday at the University of Texas at Austin to protest the campus's gun-free zones.

Dozens of demonstrators using cardboard cutouts of firearms and fake blood (http://www.statesman.com/news/news/gun-rights-groups-to-stage-mock-mass-shooting-at-u/npf38/?ecmp=statesman_social_twitter_2014_virtualcapitol _sfp) are expected to pretend to be shooters, victims and armed rescuers. A bullhorn will produce sounds of gunfire, according to the Austin American-Statesman, which first reported on the protest.

Two groups staging the event believe that staff and students would be safer from potential attacks like the kind seen in San Bernardino, California, last week if guns were permitted everywhere at the state's flagship campus.

Before Saturday's fake shooting , armed demonstrators (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/open-carry-mock-shooting-ut-austin) will march through Austin with rifles and pistols.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mock-shooting-ut-austin_56688fa7e4b009377b238992

Just the usual insanity of dickless gun fellators.

Do they have a city or police permit for their march? Would the police dare to deny a march permit they way they do to blacks, OWS, etc?

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boutons, the 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere - just like the abortion issue.

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boutons, the 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere - just like the abortion issue.

neither is "well REGULATED militia" and single-shot muzzle loaders

abortion is legal, with lots of heavy, "undue burden" regulations in the red and slave states.

gun are legal, and they can be heavily regulated. there's no Constitutional prohibition of regulations surrounding Constitutional rights.

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Another kid second amendmented... smh


Reno County deputy’s 3-year-old son dies after accidentally shooting self with handgun (http://www.kansas.com/news/state/article49325890.html)
BY MATT RIEDL


The 3-year-old son of a Reno County sheriff’s deputy accidentally shot and killed himself with a loaded 40-caliber Glock handgun Friday morning, according to a news release from Sheriff Randy Henderson.


Kaden Nagel, the son of Deputy Andrew Nagel, found the gun at 8:15 a.m. in the apartment his father shares with a roommate, according to the release.


Andrew Nagel woke up to the sound of a gunshot.


The South Hutchinson Police Department and the Reno County Sheriff’s Office were dispatched to the residence in the 100 block of East Avenue B, in South Hutchinson.


He and the South Hutchinson Fire Department administered first aid before Emergency Medical Services arrived, according to the release.


The child was pronounced dead at the scene.


The South Hutchinson Police Department and the Kansas Bureau of Investigation are working the case.


“Please keep the Nagels, his law enforcement family and the first responders in your prayers,” Henderson said in the release.


A news release from the South Hutchinson Police Department said all further information about the case will be released by the Reno County District Attorney’s Office.

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boutons, the 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere

who said it was? typical rightwingnut gun fellator straw man invented by the NRA/GOA/gun-industry. you simpleton rabble are so easy to rouse, gullible.

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Mock mass shooting in Texas met by counter demonstrators waving sex toys

Guns on one side of the street, counter-protesters making bathroom noises on the other.

About a dozen gun rights activists staged an open carry march and mock mass shooting Saturday near the University of Texas (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/education/colleges-universities/university-of-texas-at-austin-OREDU0000071-topic.html), only to be outnumbered by counter-demonstrators who waved sex toys and tried to drown them out with chants.

The groups Come and Take It Texas and Don'tcomply.com initially wanted to hold their event on campus, but were told by school officials they would be charged with criminal trespassing. The group instead held their march, with several members openly carrying real assault-style rifles, in an area of shops and restaurants next to campus known as "The Drag."

The groups then slipped away from most media and onlookers and regrouped across the street from a campus chapel to "shoot" six people with cardboard guns. Victims were outlined with chalk to show where they fell.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-mock-mass-shooting-texas-20151212-story.html

:lol gun fellators! :lol

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Another kid second amendmented... smh

Police officers do not rely on the 2nd Amendment. They are commissioned, licensed peace officers. It's illegal to leave a loaded handgun in a place where a child can access it.

So now criminal negligence should be part of the Bill of Rights?

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Suffocations and drownings are WAY TOO FUCKIN' HIGH. Ban plastic bags and pools!

And large screen TVs. Kids pull them over all the time.

Criminal negligence will always kill children, whether that's not using a safety restraint or letting one run loose in the street. It's all about adult supervision with children, has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. Those who use children as an example of how the 2nd Amendment "kills kids" are abusing the 1st Amendment.

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It's illegal to leave a loaded handgun in a place where a child can access it.

for the 10s, if not 100s, kids killed, shot per year, how many those gun owners are imprisoned, fined, even charged?

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I'd guess that more kids are killed from not being strapped in a car seat than by handgun. You'd be surprised at how many caring, "responsible" parents can't take the crying and take kids out of car seats. My cousin (a newly graduated doctor) died from not having her seat belt on. Her boyfriend who had his on came out of the accident with a few scratches.

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I'd guess that more kids are killed from not being strapped in a car seat than by handgun. You'd be surprised at how many caring, "responsible" parents can't take the crying and take kids out of car seats. My cousin (a newly graduated doctor) died from not having her seat belt on. Her boyfriend who had his on came out of the accident with a few scratches.

yep, so don't punish gun owners who allow their guns into the hands of kids and others. It's all relative, and perversely interpreted 2nd Amendment trumps all other rights, law, regulations, for profit.

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for the 10s, if not 100s, kids killed, shot per year, how many those gun owners are imprisoned, fined, even charged?

That's a different issue than the 2nd Amendment aka red herring <((((((><

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yep, so don't punish gun owners who allow their guns into the hands of kids and others. It's all relative, and perversely interpreted 2nd Amendment trumps all other rights, law, regulations, for profit.
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boutons, the 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere - just like the abortion issue.

It's not about taking away the 2nd Amendment. It's about making its application more sensible, so that people who shouldn't be handling guns can't get them as easily & legaly.

I think people should be required to pass a battery of tests in order to purchase a gun, basically proving they're not retarded, mentally ill or have a criminal history. I also think there should be an age requirement, just like there's an age requirement for getting a driver's license. I don't give a shit whether your kid understands gun safety more than if he/she understands road safety.

To me this just common sense stuff. It's far from a cure, but it's not intended to be because it's only part of a patchwork on how to deal with gun violence.

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That's a different issue than the 2nd Amendment aka red herring <((((((><

nothing as fishy red as NRA/gun industry/gun fellators ignoring "militia" except perversely interpreting it as the FFs encouraging the citizens to armed insurrection against the govt they were trying to form. That interpretation suits secessionist slave states continuing war with Feds, revenooers

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nothing as fishy red as NRA/gun industry/gun fellators ignoring "militia" except perversely interpreting it as the FFs encouraging the citizens to armed insurrection against the govt they were trying to form. That interpretation suits secessionist slave states continuing war with Feds, revenooers<((((((><

By now you've gotten your limit of red herring.

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the biggest red herring, straw man is that any gun control equals repealing the 2nd Amendment.

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Police officers do not rely on the 2nd Amendment. They are commissioned, licensed peace officers. It's illegal to leave a loaded handgun in a place where a child can access it.

So now criminal negligence should be part of the Bill of Rights?

Wasn't the officers gun. Wonder if his friend will be charged? Probably so since the dead kid's father is law enforcement.

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Those who use children as an example of how the 2nd Amendment "kills kids" are abusing the 1st Amendment.

:lmao good one. Going to have to remember that one.

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They Were Killed by a Gun: Faces of the Child Victims

by TRACY CONNOR, JON SCHUPPE and POLLY DEFRANK

The massacre of 20 first-graders at a Newtown, Connecticut, school three years ago outraged the nation and spurred calls for new legislation, but it did nothing to slow the firearm deaths of young Americans. Each year, hundreds of kids under 12 are shot and killed, either by accident or on purpose.
NBC News looked at cases in which children under 12 have been killed by guns since the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary and counted 554 deaths.

The victims are black and white, Asian and Latino. They live in cities, suburbs and rural areas. They die in hunting mishaps, get caught in street crossfire, are targeted by murderers and intentionally or unintentionally shoot themselves. The circumstances and blame vary. The only thing that ties them together is the cause of death: gunshot wound.
Here are some of their stories:

Ja'Quail Mansaw

They called him "Smoothie."
Every day, Ja'Quail Mansaw woke up with a smile. His mother didn't even know his teeth were coming in because he so rarely cried.
"He was a very happy child," Balethia Washington said. "He was crawling and he was trying to talk. His words were 'Dada' and 'no.'"
His milestones ended there. Smoothie was just 7 months old when a spray of bullets came crashing into his family's Kansas City, Kansas, home on Jan. 4.
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"We just started throwing kids on the floor," said Washington, who has five other children. "When I picked up Ja'Quail to protect him, I think that's when it happened. I fell on the ground on my side and I noticed he was bleeding."
The bullet went through the baby's back and into his leg. At the hospital, "they brought him back three or four times" before he died, his mother said.
Nearly a year after he was laid to rest in a tiny white casket, the drive-by shooting remains unsolved, though Washington suspects her son was caught in the crossfire of a drug dispute in her high-crime neighborhood.
Since the shooting, Washington had to leave her house and lost her bullet-pocked car. Her surviving kids are traumatized, she said.
"The other day, my 3-year-old was crying. I asked her what was the matter. She said, 'I just miss my baby brother. I just want to go get him.'"





Nathaniel Hitt

Not long after Henry Bartle, 18, bought a shotgun at the Mohawk Sport Shop in Rome, New York, he used it to bag a deer. About a month later, he killed a turkey with it. And just a day after that, he accidentally shot his girlfriend's baby.
Seven-month-old Nathaniel Hitt was sitting in his walker while Bartle cleaned the Mossberg 500 12-gauge pump shotgun and installed a pistol grip on Nov. 28. He laid the weapon across his lap, leaned forward and went to get up, he told police.
"The gun just went off," Bartle said. "There was blood everywhere."
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Nathaniel was killed instantly.
"My baby's gone," his hysterical mother, Selena Hitt, 19, kept saying, according to a witness.
The investigation determined that before the tragedy, Hitt, Bartle and a friend had been smoking marijuana, and Bartle admitted he had not put the safety on the shotgun, which he legally possessed. He was charged last month with criminally negligent homicide, which carries up to four years in prison.
Selena Hitt's estranged father, Gary Muntz, said that while he is a supporter of gun rights, "My feeling is this kid should not have had a gun. Guns can't fall into the hands of irresponsible kids."
He had not seen Nathaniel in four months because of a falling-out with his daughter but remembered him as a newborn.
"He was a sweet little baby and didn't deserve to die the way he did," he said.
Makayla Dyer

It was a spat over a puppy.
Eight-year-old Makayla Dyer was playing with friends outside her White Pine, Tennessee, mobile home when an 11-year-old neighbor perched at his window asked to see her new pet. The third-grader laughed and said no and the boy, according to police, got his grandfather's 12-gauge shotgun and pulled the trigger.
In an instant, one young life was snuffed out and another was changed forever.
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Makayla, nicknamed BooBah by her family, had big brown eyes, a shy smile and lots of friends in her neighborhood. "Makayla was a good friend and she was sweet and she loved to play with me," one of them wrote in a condolence book. "RIP makayla i will love you forever and always."
The boy, whose name is not being released because of his age, was held in juvenile detention on a first-degree murder charge. The facility's superintendent told reporters that he'd never had such a young murder defendant come through — and that the child's attorney asked that he be allowed to keep a teddy bear in his cell.
No decision has been made on whether to charge the boy as an adult for the Oct. 3 shooting. His family says he shouldn't even be locked up, that he didn't fire the shot that killed Makayla. They claim that he was simply showing his grandpa's weapons to a friend, who accidentally fired it.
"He said, 'Why am I going to jail when I didn't even do this?'" his grandmother, Dianna Houchins, said at a press conference (http://www.wbir.com/story/news/2015/11/24/great-grandparents-refute-boys-homicide-charge/76340836/) last month.
Cylie and Caden McCullum

The call came in shortly after midnight — a woman reporting that her sister was distraught, had a gun and was threatening to kill herself and her two small children. Police searched through the night for Michelle McCullum and her kids, 3-year-old Cylie and 5-year-old Caden, before sending out a public alert in the morning.
Just an hour later, they learned that McCullum — who had recently lost her job, according to neighbors — had carried out her threat. The bodies of all three were found in her car parked in a remote area in east New Orleans; each had been shot once with her .40-caliber pistol, which she legally owned, police said.
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The program for the siblings' funeral service described them as inseparable.
"Caden was fearless, inspiring and although small in stature, his will and determination was that of a giant," it said. "The angel named Cylie … wherever Caden was Cylie wanted to be. She loved her 'brudda' unconditionally. Without thought, he was her world and she was his."
Police never released details about what drove McCullum, described by neighbors and relatives as a devoted mother, to the depths of despair. The funeral program echoed the question.
"These two angels were called way too soon," it said. "We don't know why and we cannot rationalize it."
Olivia Stoffel

It was a warm spring evening in Menasha, Wisconsin, and the Stoffel family was out for a walk with the dog on a pedestrian bridge on a recreational trail. Suddenly, there was a loud bang.
Within moments, the family was in the middle of a rare kind of crime. Army veteran Sergio Valencia del Toro, angry after a fight with his girlfriend, had just fatally shot a stranger, police said. And now he turned his gun on the Stoffels.
Jon, the dad, was mortally wounded, along with 11-year-old Olivia. "May God forgive you," he told the gunman, according to an investigative report.
The mom, Erin, was shot three times but survived and managed to get Olivia's siblings, Ezra and Selah, to safety while del Toro shot himself dead.
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When police looked into the shooter's background they found a dangerous scenario: He had a long history of psychiatric problems and suicide threats, a drinking problem — and a big arsenal. He brought a Taurus revolver, a .9mm semiautomatic pistol and extra ammunition to the Trestle Trail Bridge that evening; he had eight more guns at home, all legally bought because he had no criminal record.
An obituary for the victims focused on their life, not their violent death. Olivia was in the drama club. She made bracelets to raise funds for the Fox Valley Jail Ministry and dreamed of being an author when she grew up. Her father, a Sunday school teacher, had baptized her and taken her on a mission trip to Honduras.
Hank Bollen

The pictures of Hank Bollen on his mother's Facebook page pay tribute to his love of the outdoors. There's a photo of him catching a frog, another holding two fishing poles and yet another that shows him in hunting gear straddling a dead deer.
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So it's not surprising that when the 9-year-old had a day off from school on Feb. 17, 2014, he took his youth .22 rifle and went out to look for squirrels in the woods of Arkansas, near his home in Magnolia. When he didn't come home, sheriff's deputies were summoned to look for him and a police helicopter found the fourth-grader's body the next morning.
Police did not release specifics, saying only that it appeared to be a hunting accident. Hank's mom, who did not return calls for comment, has written about "faulty" youth rifles on her Facebook page.
"I miss my son!!!!" she wrote. "I hope what I've been doing will help others. I don't want anyone to have to go through this. It can be prevented. What I would do to hold Hank right now."
Payton Benson

What she wanted most in the world was to start school, but a bullet that ripped through her Omaha, Nebraska, home on Jan. 15, 2014, ensured that dream would never come true.
Payton Benson, 5, loved makeup, fancy dresses and Barbie dolls. She spoke in a voice so soft it sounded like she was whispering, and followed her mother around the house all day with a smile on her face.
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She was eating breakfast with her mom when gang members opened fire on rivals on the street with a semiautomatic rifle and handguns, according to police. The bullets missed their targets, but two from the rifle came flying into Payton's house, and one of them killed her.
Five of the gang members eventually went to prison on charges ranging from murder to weapons possession.
Payton's mother, Tabatha Manning, marked what would have been her daughter's sixth birthday by calling for an end to gun violence.
But it may have been Payton's brother Latrell who said it best. At a press conference soon after his sister's death, the grade-schooler pleaded: "This is not fair people are dying — not fair at all."
Samuel Epps

An argument over doing chores sent 11-year-old Samuel Epps running into his parents' bedroom on Sept. 3, 2014. A shot rang out and his father forced his way into the room to find the boy on the floor with a fatal wound to his head.
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Police said the youngster had gotten his hands on a 9mm pistol that belonged to his father, an Arizona State University police officer. Arizona does not have a child access prevention law that holds adults liable if a child uses a gun.
While a fund-raising site for the family referred to the tragedy in the rural San Tan Valley, southeast of Phoenix, as an accident, the Maricopa County Medical Examiner listed the manner of death as suicide, though police said it not appear the boy had any history of depression or mental illness.
In an obituary, his family said he was "proud member" of the Mormon Church who played the cello in the orchestra at his charter school. "He loved his legos, super hero movies, and his music," it said.
Jacob Hambaugh

Mourners were asked to honor Jacob Hambaugh by wearing the color red. Just 9 months old, his favorite thing was the "Sesame Street" character Elmo.
On Oct. 22, 2014, he was crawling in the kitchen of his family's Kokomo, Indiana, home when his father decided to clean his .38 caliber handgun. A round had inadvertently been left in the weapon, and when the dad, John Hambaugh, tried to remove the slide, it discharged. The shot went through the father's leg and into the baby's head.
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Jacob died two days later.
The elder Hambaugh, whose Facebook page was full of gun-rights posts before the tragedy, did not face any charges. And a Change.org petition started by his sister-in-law noted that meant that that he could continue to own and purchase firearms.
"This is wrong, and I want to change it," read the petition, which called for the passage of Jacob's Law for Responsible Gun Ownership.
"What happened to Jacob was avoidable," it continued. "We will never get to see Jacob grow up. We will never watch him have a first day at school, drive a car, graduate, get married, or have children of his own, all because of someone's carelessness.
"I am not trying to punish anyone. I am trying to prevent another family's heartache."
Antonio Smith Jr.

Even in a city hardened by gun violence, the shooting death of Antonio Smith shocked the conscience. He was just 9 years old, an honor-roll student and had no ties to the gangs that took his life.
On the afternoon of October 30, 2014, Antonio, nicknamed "Fat Baby" by his family, rushed out of his family's South Side Chicago house in a temper because he was told he couldn't have any cake.
Hours later, he was found dead in a backyard; he had been shot six times. Police said gang members hunting for their rivals thought Antonio yelled a warning to the targets and purposefully gunned him down.
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"I love my city but the city took something from me I love even more," his father, Antonio Sr. said. "Chicago hurt me today."
Four men were eventually charged with his murder and are awaiting trial. And a .380-caliber pistol recovered from a sewer near the crime scene was traced to two other shootings (http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/3-Arrested-Chicago-Boy-Murder-McCarthy-275812021.html)earlier in the year, one of them fatal.
Determined that the fourth-grader's death not be in vain, a group of community activists formed a nonprofit, Antonio's Response, on the anniversary of his murder. It aims to assist families of innocent youngsters killed by guns.
"These are our neighborhoods and our lives," the group's mission statement says. "We have children who represent Antonio; we all are Antonio."
Alton and Ashton Perry

The day was supposed to be a celebration. Feb. 26, 2013, was Alton Perry's second birthday, and his mother arranged for him and his 6-month-old brother, Ashton, to leave early from daycare in North Stonington, Connecticut.
"I wanted him to come home and play with his new toys and have a good day," Brenda Perry told local NBC affiliate WVIT (http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Two-Young-Boys-Dead-After-Amber-Alert-193425661.html).
Perry's mother, Debra Denison, offered to pick them up. She suffered from mental illness and had a contentious relationship with Perry, but things had improved in recent months. So Perry, 24, called ahead to make sure Denison was on the daycare's pickup list.
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Denison left with the boys at 2:30 p.m. When they failed to show up for the birthday party, Perry called police. Hours later, an Amber Alert went out. At 9:30 p.m., someone reported seeing a car parked near Lake of Isles. Three people were inside, and they looked hurt.
Police arrived, and found Denison, 47, and her grandsons dead of gunshot wounds, victims of a murder-suicide. Near the bodies was her husband's revolver.
Denison , who'd reportedly attempted suicide many times before, left a note (http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Grandma-Left-Vengeful-Note-Prior-to-Murder-of-Grandsons-255788801.html)saying Perry and her husband didn't deserve to have the children, police said.
Aaron Vu

Aaron Vu liked to entertain the clients at his parents' Miami nail salon. The 10-year-old boy danced for them, played his recorder, let them pinch his cheeks.
"Very playful, very nice," a friend told local affiliate WTVJ (http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Aaron-Vu-10-Year-Old-Nail-Salon-Shooting-Victim-to-Be-Laid-to-Rest-234052261.html).
On the night of Nov. 22, 2013, Aaron was inside the salon when two robbers burst in, demanding cash and valuables. On their way out, they opened fire, hitting Aaron and his father, Hai Vu, 41. The boy died; the father survived.
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"We hope my son's death will not be in vain, that something will come out of this in the future that will greatly reduce senseless acts of violence in our community," Hai Vu said from Jackson Memorial Hospital (http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Public-Visitation-for-Nail-Salon-Shooting-Victim-Aaron-Vu-10-233998831.html).
"The question I ask every night since I'm in the hospital is, why? Why? Why did this have to happen? Why couldn't it just have been me? They killed an innocent child."
Police arrested 19-year-old Anthawn Ragan Jr. for firing the deadly shots. He remains in jail and is expected to go to trial in February 2016.

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Sebastian Swartz

It wasn't very difficult for Sebastian Swartz to find his father's gun.
The Glock 9mm pistol was in plain view in his parents' bedroom in Decatur, Ohio, on Feb. 18, 2013, according to police.
Sebastian's father, an Army veteran who neighbors said had been injured in Afghanistan, was at work. His mother was in another room when Sebastian began fooling with the weapon, police told local NBC affiliate WXIX (http://www.nbc12.com/story/21388316/sebastian-swartz-9-dies-from-injuries-in-accidental-shooting).
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An older sister tried to take it from him. Then the gun went off.
"One of the kids yelled, 'My brother's been shot'," an off-duty firefighter at the scene told the station (http://www.nbc12.com/story/21240883/child-in-critical-condition-after-accidental-shooting). "I didn't see anybody at the time. Then the mother came out carrying the young child."
Sebastian, hit in the head, was flown to Cincinnati Children's Hospital, where he lingered a week before his parents took him off life support.
Sebastian's parents, Chris and Shanna Swartz, were charged with felony child endangerment. The father pleaded guilty and served two years' probation and is no longer allowed to own a gun. The case against the mother was dismissed. The sister who handled the gun just before it went off ended up facing charges in juvenile court. The result of that case was unclear.
"Obviously, you need to secure your firearms inside your residence when you have small children running around," a police detective told NBC affiliate WLWT (http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/eastern-counties/Brown-Co-parents-charged-in-boy-s-accidental-slaying/19546952).
Tiana Ricks

Tiana Ricks's father brought her to a Saturday night house party in Moreno Valley, California, to celebrate a cousin headed off to college. At one point, Tiana, 6, told her dad she was thirsty. He walked her to the open garage, where a crowd had gathered.
Just then, two men charged up the driveway from the street, KNBC reported (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Wounded-Father-of-Slain-Girl-Meets-with-Moreno-Valley-Detectives-223075371.html). One of them started firing a gun.
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The father, Tyrell Ricks, was hit in the pelvis. In the chaos, Tiana, who'd been holding his leg, kept asking if he was OK, a relative told the station.
She didn't seem to realize that she'd also been shot.
Hit in the back, she died three hours later, just after midnight on Sept. 8, 2013.
Her grieving 24-year-old father said he couldn't understand why someone would have opened fire on them. Though police suspected the attack was gang-related, Tyrell Ricks said he'd just moved to California from Indiana and had no beefs or ties with local gangs.
"I could care less about my well-being," Tyrell Ricks told KNBC. "I loved her so much, and now she's gone."
A member of the Moreno Valley-based Edgemont Criminals gang, Keandre Narkie Johnson, was arrested for her murder, and remains in jail. He could face the death penalty.


Londyn Samuels

Londyn Samuels was just learning to walk. On Aug. 29, 2013, a baby-sitter scooped the 1-year-old into her arms as they walked home from a New Orleans park. A gunman approached from behind and shot the 18-year-old in the back. The bullet tore through her body and hit Londyn in the chest (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/arrest-made-shocking-killing-new-orleans-1-year-old-londyn-f8C11077826).
The young woman, who survived, called the child's father in anguish. "She said, 'Kee, we got shot — me and Londyn,'" the dad, Keion Reed, 20, told NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/enough-enough-1-year-old-shot-death-new-orleans-street-f8C11039346).
Police have not said what they think motivated the shooter.
http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_50/1333396/151209-londyn-samuels-guns-mn-1235_252d5f73af06b35da4e92831411814dc.nbcnews-ux-600-700.jpg (http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_50/1333396/151209-londyn-samuels-guns-mn-1235_252d5f73af06b35da4e92831411814dc.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.jpg)Londyn Samuels, 1, was struck by a bullet fired into her 18-year-old nanny's back Friday in New Orleans.Courtesy of Keion Reed
Londyn's mother was working at a nonprofit cafe dedicated to anti-violence when the shooting happened. Choking back sobs at a news conference, Andrea Samuels said she cried every time she looked at her daughter's picture.
"I'm hurt," Samuels, 22, said, "because that was my baby."
Reed recalled Londyn trying to make him smile when he was down. And he seethed at her killer, later named by police as 19-year-old Darnell Ramee.
"My daughter didn't do anything to him," Reed said. "Why did she have to die?"
Ramee remains in jail on charges of second-degree murder and attempted second-degree murder. If convicted, he faces life in prison

[DMC]

Yay, more emotive bovine level stupidity and red herrings.

[FromWayDowntown]

It's not about taking away the 2nd Amendment. It's about making its application more sensible, so that people who shouldn't be handling guns can't get them as easily & legaly.

I think people should be required to pass a battery of tests in order to purchase a gun, basically proving they're not retarded, mentally ill or have a criminal history. I also think there should be an age requirement, just like there's an age requirement for getting a driver's license. I don't give a shit whether your kid understands gun safety more than if he/she understands road safety.

To me this just common sense stuff. It's far from a cure, but it's not intended to be because it's only part of a patchwork on how to deal with gun violence.

It's a sensible way to square the right to bear arms with the need to ensure that sensible safety precautions are in place.

I don't think any reasonable person actually thinks the Second Amendment should be abolished. But it does seem like the more obvious it becomes that some limitations should be appropriate, the more rancorous the cry becomes to make it, essentially, limitless.

[boutons_deux]

the 2nd Amendment has been so perverted, so far from its original intent, for BigGun profit, that it's now purely nefarious, enabling a public health hazard of gun violence.

[TheSanityAnnex]

the 2nd Amendment has been so perverted, so far from its original intent, for BigGun profit, that it's now purely nefarious, enabling a public health hazard of gun violence.

Please share what you think was the original intent.

[Blake]

Please share what you think was the original intent.

Why do 2 amendment huggers always ignore the militia part.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why do 2 amendment huggers always ignore the militia part.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person."-James Madison

http://www.usconstitution.net/madisonbor.html

[boutons_deux]

"shall not be infringed" is not in the text of the Constitution.

establishments, cities, states have "infringed" on the right to bear arms throughout the existence of the Constitution.

nowhere does the Constitution say regulations cannot govern the sale and ownership of guns.

[mingus]

I don't know what the different interpretations of the 2nd amendment or what its intent was. Reading it without any kind of bias, you can read it in several ways so idunno. I think the easiest way to clarify it would be to look at how/if the govt. back during the time period of the Founding Fathers legislated it.

And I doubt they did legislated against it considering the fact that regular people still had to face Native Americans traveling westward, people still did a lot of their own hunting for their food and that people settled scores with duels (even Alexander Hamilton did, a FF and a big govt. guy/Federalist no less).

Are there records of any discussions relating to 2nd Amendment misapplication of gun use being allowable for regular/non-militia folk by the FF?

[boutons_deux]

I don't know what the different interpretations of the 2nd amendment or what its intent was. Reading it without any kind of bias, you can read it in several ways so idunno. I think the easiest way to clarify it would be to look at how/if the govt. back during the time period of the Founding Fathers legislated it.

And I doubt they did legislated against it considering the fact that regular people still had to face Native Americans traveling westward, people still did a lot of their own hunting for their food and that people settled scores with duels (even Alexander Hamilton did, a FF and a big govt. guy/Federalist no less).

Are there records of any discussions relating to 2nd Amendment misapplication of gun use being allowable for regular/non-militia folk by the FF?

a well regulated (organized, commanded) armed militia was meant to cover for the absence of US govt standing army, as a defense against Indians, English, French.

The FF were not trying to give the citizens armed power as insurrectionists against the US govt the FF were struggling to form and operate.

That the 2nd Amendment was meant to used by US citizens against the US govt is one of the many perversions of the 2nd amendment that the gun fellators/NRA/gun industry own. That's the slave state secessionists still butt hurt over losing the Civil War, and as inflamed by the Repug/NRA demagogues.

[TheSanityAnnex]

a well regulated (organized, commanded) armed militia was meant to cover for the absence of US govt standing army, as a defense against Indians, English, French.

The FF were not trying to give the citizens armed power as insurrectionists against the US govt the FF were struggling to form and operate.

That the 2nd Amendment was meant to used by US citizens against the US govt is one of the many perversions of the 2nd amendment that the gun fellators/NRA/gun industry own. That's the slave state secessionists still butt hurt over losing the Civil War, and as inflamed by the Repug/NRA demagogues.

Your argument doesn't hold up.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person."-James Madison

[TheSanityAnnex]

The intent of the 2nd is clear.

[boutons_deux]

Your argument doesn't hold up.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person."-James Madison

that is not in the Constitution's text, so it's not law. cities, states, establishments "infringed" gun carrying to increase the safety of their customers, residents throughout these 200+ years. It's only since 1977, unconvicted murderer Harlan Carter and his fellow assholes turned the NRA into gun industry marketing/propaganda dept.

[TheSanityAnnex]

that is not in the Constitution's text, so it's not law. cities, states, establishments "infringed" gun carrying to increase the safety of their customers, residents throughout these 200+ years. It's only since 1977, unconvicted murderer Harlan Carter and his fellow assholes turned the NRA into gun industry marketing/propaganda dept.

I'm not arguing the infringement as that already happens. I'm arguing your claim that the 2nd was only to arm a militia, Madison makes it clear as day that was not the intent.

[boutons_deux]

I'm not arguing the infringement as that already happens. I'm arguing your claim that the 2nd was only to arm a militia, Madison makes it clear as day that was not the intent.

then he's a really shit Constitution writer for not saying it clearly. your sanity here is the key item that's infringed.

[TheSanityAnnex]

then he's a really shit Constitution writer for not saying it clearly. your sanity here is the key item that's infringed.

I'm not the one having trouble understanding it.

The second interpretation is that the 2nd Amendment's purpose does not only refer to the state's need for security, but to individual self-defense. This argument relies on precedent in English common law and colonial history and refers to many state constitutions and court decisions that have defined the right to bear arms as an individual right.





In addition, this interpretation relies on the fact that James Madison originally proposed this amendment as an insertion into the Constitution's Article I, Section 9, between clauses 3 and 4. This section mentions prohibitions on suspension of habeas corpus, bills of attainder and ex post facto laws. All of these are individual civil rights that are used by citizens to defend themselves against unjust government officials. All of these limit the power of the government.
Since this is where Madison believed the insertion of the 2nd Amendment should go, this interpretation says, he must have understood the right to bear arms as an individual right. If Madison had intended "the right to bear arms" only as a state right, he should have included the 2nd Amendment in Article I, Section 8, which describes Congress' military power over the militia.
All of Madison's original amendments were meant as insertions into the Constitution and not as a list at the end. The decision to add them at the end was made by Congress after he proposed them.

[Blake]

I'm not the one having trouble understanding it.

The second interpretation is that the 2nd Amendment's purpose does not only refer to the state's need for security, but to individual self-defense. This argument relies on precedent in English common law and colonial history and refers to many state constitutions and court decisions that have defined the right to bear arms as an individual right.


Lol second interpretation

That's a problem.

[boutons_deux]

Gun Owners Of America Vows To 'Openly Defy' Obama Executive Order On Guns

Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said on Friday that if President Obama implements an executive order expanding background check requirements for gun dealers (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-weighs-expanding-background-checks-through-executive-authority/2015/10/08/6bd45e56-6b63-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e244f92_story.html), his group will “make a very public effort to openly defy the law” in what he described as a national version of the armed showdown at the Bundy ranch in Nevada.

Pratt’s group has gotten some very public support recently from GOP presidential candidate Ted Cruz, who touted GOA’s endorsement (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ted-cruz-boasts-endorsement-radical-gun-group) in a presidential debate and recently sent a fundraising email on behalf of the group (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ted-cruz-raises-money-radical-gun-group-fight-obamas-left-wing-hatred-your-liberty). The president of GOA also chairs Cruz’s Second Amendment Coalition (https://www.tedcruz.org/news/cruz-for-president-announces-second-amendment-coalition/).

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/gun-owners-america-vows-openly-defy-obama-executive-order-guns

[TheSanityAnnex]

Lol second interpretation

That's a problem.

Madison was clear in his address to congress.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person."

Read more: http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/james-madison-speech-june-8-1789.html#ixzz3uQmOICJA

[boutons_deux]

Ohio gun nut oozes white privilege as he explains his ‘right’ to terrorize black neighborhood


http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Deone-Slater-and-Daniel-Kovacevic-WEWS-800x430.png


Daniel Kovacevic said he was just exercising his legs and his rights (http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-summit/akron-man-carrying-rifle-and-pistol-confronted-by-business-owner-over-safety-concerns) by strolling around a black neighborhood with a rifle strapped to his back and a pistol holstered to his belt — but Deone Slater said the armed man made him nervous.

“He could have turned around and run loose like Rambo on the building,” said Slater, who owns Kangaroo Kutz in Akron.

Ohio allows for the open carry of firearms, and both Kovacevic and legal experts said he broke no laws because he did not point either of his weapons at Slater or verbally threaten him.

Kovacevic characterized himself as a participant in a larger political struggle between personal freedom and public safety.

“Are you willing to give up your freedom and live under a government that does not respect those rights in order to keep yourself safe?” Kovacevic said. straw man! :lol

“I walk up and down the street for exercise — it just happens that I have guns with me,” Kovacevic said. :lol

The 25-year-old Kovacevic has been stopped by police multiple times — including a recent incident near the University of Akron — after alarmed residents called authorities and posted photos of him walking around their mostly black neighborhood.

Kovacevic said he won’t stop walking around with his guns.

“I believe that turning back is wrong and continuing forward is right,” he said. “To turn around is not only cowardly but wrong.”

The report did not indicate why Kovacevic chose that particular neighborhood for his armed strolls.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/watch-ohio-gun-nut-oozes-white-privilege-as-he-explains-his-right-to-terrorize-black-neighborhood/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

gun fellators, a bunch dickless paranoid sickos

[boutons_deux]

blatant harassment of non-white no-Euro-American non-males

Indian-American woman visited by police after asking to buy AR-15 ammo at Dick’s Sporting Goods


http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Sim-Sangha-KNTV-800x430.png

An Indian-American woman said she was questioned by California police after she asked to buy some ammunition for her AR-15 rifle.

Sim Sangha, a 24-year-old firearms instructor from Fremont, asked an employee of Dick’s Sporting Goods about buying eight boxes of ammunition for her military-style rifle, reported KNTV-TV (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Police-Show-Up-at-Fremont-Womans-House-After-She-Asks-About-Buying-Ammunition-at-Sporting-Goods-Store-362061351.html).
Two days later, police visited her home for questioning after that store employee alerted them.

“I don’t know if it’s my skin color or that I’m Indian,” Sangha said. “I’m not a Muslim, but even if I were, that’s no reason to call police to my home, instantly.”

Sangha, who is preparing to join the Los Angeles Police Department, did not buy ammunition for her rifle — which is the same type of weapon used by a Muslim couple earlier this month to kill 14 co-workers and wound 17 others in San Bernardino.

She only bought an exercise mask at the sporting goods store, and she believes she was racially profiled.

“They singled me out because of the way I look,” Sangha said. “I’ve had friends buy bulk ammo, and they’ve never had police show up at their door.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/indian-american-woman-visited-by-police-after-asking-to-buy-ar-15-ammo-at-dicks-sporting-goods/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29


White man gotta keep the non-whites oppressed.

[Blake]

Madison was clear in his address to congress.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person."

Read more: http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/james-madison-speech-june-8-1789.html#ixzz3uQmOICJA

so Madison is cool with the general populace keeping and bearing nuclear arms. Neat.

It also sounds like he would be a draft dodger.

[mingus]

a well regulated (organized, commanded) armed militia was meant to cover for the absence of US govt standing army, as a defense against Indians, English, French.

The FF were not trying to give the citizens armed power as insurrectionists against the US govt the FF were struggling to form and operate.

That the 2nd Amendment was meant to used by US citizens against the US govt is one of the many perversions of the 2nd amendment that the gun fellators/NRA/gun industry own. That's the slave state secessionists still butt hurt over losing the Civil War, and as inflamed by the Repug/NRA demagogues.

If that's what it was meant for exclusively then why wasn't dueling outlawed until 1839? Why were people allowed to hunt using guns? Especially given the former, by implication the FF intended for regular people to be allowed to self-arm, without regard for type/nationality of enemy (foreign, native or themselves) or standing army. No one's been able to produce any evidence that the FF had a problem with that, and I take it that it's because they saw it as being consistent with their intent.

Instead of grasping at straws with arguing interpretation, why not just argue for the repeal or changing/narrowing of the 2nd Amendment?

You don't do that because you don't have balls.

[boutons_deux]

You don't do that because you don't have balls.

I got more balls than you dickless rigthwingnut gun fellators can only dream about.

the 2nd Amendment is untouchable. America is too polarized by the VRWC/Repugs/Christian Taliban for ANY Constitutional changes.

the 17-year ban on fed going gun violence research looks to be extended for at least an 18th year, etc, etc, thanks to you gun fellators and your hands dripping with blood from World Champion (premier league) gun violence.

[mingus]

It is untouchable when arguments against it don't have a basis in reality. Even if arguments based on reality wouldn't fair much or any better or worse with people, at least you can argue it without tucking your balls b/w your legs.

[Blake]

Instead of grasping at straws with arguing interpretation, why not just argue for the repeal or changing/narrowing of the 2nd Amendment?

You don't do that because you don't have balls.

Yeah lousy interpretation is exactly why the 2nd Amendment needs to be changed.

But the NRA is scared ball-less to have any of that.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yeah lousy interpretation is exactly why the 2nd Amendment needs to be changed.

But the NRA is scared ball-less to have any of that.
Agreed on the lousy interpretation. It should rewritten to read exactly how Madison proposed it in his speech to congress.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The FF were not trying to give the citizens armed power as insurrectionists against the US govt the FF were struggling to form and operate. They just won a war against a tyrannical government of course the FF were giving the citizens armed power in case it were to happen in the states.

[boutons_deux]

They just won a war against a tyrannical government of course the FF were giving the citizens armed power in case it were to happen in the states. [/COLOR]

BULLSHIT

they beat a monarchy, to create a democracy Of The People.

[boutons_deux]

It is untouchable when arguments against it don't have a basis in reality. Even if arguments based on reality wouldn't fair much or any better or worse with people, at least you can argue it without tucking your balls b/w your legs.

well, your "reality" is a joke.

There's nothing in the 2nd Amendment that prohibits (severe) gun regulations, govt research on gun violence (now prohibited by NRA for 18 years), a national gun registry (to catch the bad guys, and bad dealers, and Good Guys who do bad things), etc, etc.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The FF were not trying to give the citizens armed power as insurrectionists against the US govt the FF were struggling to form and operate.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787


"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, [I]Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789


Need to be bitch slapped anymore?

[boutons_deux]

if it ain't in the Consitution or Federal laws, it's no more "law" than the Declaration of Independence.

go suck a big black hard one

[TheSanityAnnex]

if it ain't in the Consitution or Federal laws, it's no more "law" than the Declaration of Independence.

go suck a big black hard one

Your original statement had fuck all to do with an "laws" and everything to do with intent.


The FF were not trying to give the citizens armed power as insurrectionists against the US govt the FF were struggling to form and operate.

The founding fathers were indeed giving the citizens armed power as insurrectionists against the US govt.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Are we done with the whole "militia only gets guns" bullshit?

[boutons_deux]

Are we done with the whole "militia only gets guns" bullshit?

who said that? civilian MILITIA gets muzzle-loading, single-shot guns guaranteed by the 2nd.

[boutons_deux]

"A woman should live in quietness and full submission."
"If you reject my commands and abhor my laws, you will eat the flesh of your own sons. And your own daughters."
"I don't allow for a woman to teach. You will have to cut off her hand. Do not forgive her."

"If two men sleep with each other, they will both have to be killed."

http://www.upworthy.com/quran-passages-or-bible-verses-people-react-negatively-and-then-learn-the-truth?c=upw1&u=93b0dc48c3d43410d2e8bfdf38c8e7c04dbcc2ae

[boutons_deux]

trashing some Repug judicial trash

Historian explains why Justice Clarence Thomas doesn’t understand the Second Amendment

The other week the Supreme Court denied certiorari (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/15-133_7l48.pdf) in Friedman v. Highland Park, a Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals decision that left intact the city’s law that denied anyone in the community the ability to have assault weapons or large-capacity magazines. In a dissent from the denial of certiorari, Justice Clarence Thomas, joined by Justice Antonin Scalia, wrote that the other Justices refusal to review the case “flouts” the Court’s holdings in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago, and in doing so relegated the Second Amendment to a “second-class right.” What Justice Thomas found “doubly wrong” was the Court’s acquiescence to state and local governments deciding “which firearms [the] people may possess.”

What is particularly interesting about Justice Thomas’s dissent is it embodies aspects of both originalism and living constitutionalism.

On the one hand, Justice Thomas criticizes the Seventh Circuit’s opinion on the grounds it failed to properly consider the scope of the Second Amendment “when the people adopted” it.

He then proceeds to criticize the Seventh Circuit for not recognizing the number of contemporary Americans who own assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

As Justice Thomas put it, “The question … is not whether citizens have adequate alternatives available for self-defense,” but “whether the law bans types of firearms commonly used for a lawful purpose—regardless of whether alternatives exist.”

Here, Justice Thomas’s call to respect the framers’ Second Amendment, yet adhere to a modern “common use” test perfectly highlights the difficulty when employing history in law (http://ssrn.com/abstract=2507293)—that is finding a jurisprudential balance between the past and the present. While Justice Thomas places a historical premium on the ownership of weapons so long as a significant number are available in American society at large, he virtually ignores the history of state and local firearms regulations to quell violence, prevent crime, and mitigate public injury. Some of these regulations were even aimed at prohibiting dangerous weapons, particularly in densely populated areas. These historical facts conflict with Justice Thomas’s doctrinal reasoning, do they not?

Perhaps Justice Thomas’s point is that history dictates that state and local governments should not be allowed to outlaw firearms which are universally accepted in other jurisdictions. That is, the Second Amendment requires a national standard as to what firearms may or may not be prohibited. But history does not favor Justice Thomas.

From the Reconstruction Era to the late twentieth century a variety of regulations touching upon dangerous weapons existed at the state and local level (http://www.yalelawjournal.org/article/firearm-localism). In fact, up to 1979, forty-three states allowed their respective cities, towns, and localities to enact more stringent firearm regulations to protect the health, safety, and welfare of its citizens.

The overall point to be made is the Seventh Circuit did not relegate the Second Amendment to a “second-class right” as Justice Thomas claims. History refutes such a conclusion. The fact of the matter is the modern perception (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2532722) of the Second Amendment as guaranteeing broad firearm rights in both public and private is just that—modern.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/historian-explains-why-justice-clarence-thomas-doesnt-understand-the-second-amendment/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20TheRawStory%20(The%20Raw%20St ory)

[TheSanityAnnex]

trashing some Repug judicial trash

Historian explains why Justice Clarence Thomas doesn’t understand the Second Amendment

The other week the Supreme Court denied certiorari (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/15-133_7l48.pdf) in Friedman v. Highland Park, a Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals decision that left intact the city’s law that denied anyone in the community the ability to have assault weapons or large-capacity magazines. In a dissent from the denial of certiorari, Justice Clarence Thomas, joined by Justice Antonin Scalia, wrote that the other Justices refusal to review the case “flouts” the Court’s holdings in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago, and in doing so relegated the Second Amendment to a “second-class right.” What Justice Thomas found “doubly wrong” was the Court’s acquiescence to state and local governments deciding “which firearms [the] people may possess.”

What is particularly interesting about Justice Thomas’s dissent is it embodies aspects of both originalism and living constitutionalism.

On the one hand, Justice Thomas criticizes the Seventh Circuit’s opinion on the grounds it failed to properly consider the scope of the Second Amendment “when the people adopted” it.

He then proceeds to criticize the Seventh Circuit for not recognizing the number of contemporary Americans who own assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

As Justice Thomas put it, “The question … is not whether citizens have adequate alternatives available for self-defense,” but “whether the law bans types of firearms commonly used for a lawful purpose—regardless of whether alternatives exist.”

Here, Justice Thomas’s call to respect the framers’ Second Amendment, yet adhere to a modern “common use” test perfectly highlights the difficulty when employing history in law (http://ssrn.com/abstract=2507293)—that is finding a jurisprudential balance between the past and the present. While Justice Thomas places a historical premium on the ownership of weapons so long as a significant number are available in American society at large, he virtually ignores the history of state and local firearms regulations to quell violence, prevent crime, and mitigate public injury. Some of these regulations were even aimed at prohibiting dangerous weapons, particularly in densely populated areas. These historical facts conflict with Justice Thomas’s doctrinal reasoning, do they not?

Perhaps Justice Thomas’s point is that history dictates that state and local governments should not be allowed to outlaw firearms which are universally accepted in other jurisdictions. That is, the Second Amendment requires a national standard as to what firearms may or may not be prohibited. But history does not favor Justice Thomas.

From the Reconstruction Era to the late twentieth century a variety of regulations touching upon dangerous weapons existed at the state and local level (http://www.yalelawjournal.org/article/firearm-localism). In fact, up to 1979, forty-three states allowed their respective cities, towns, and localities to enact more stringent firearm regulations to protect the health, safety, and welfare of its citizens.

The overall point to be made is the Seventh Circuit did not relegate the Second Amendment to a “second-class right” as Justice Thomas claims. History refutes such a conclusion. The fact of the matter is the modern perception (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2532722) of the Second Amendment as guaranteeing broad firearm rights in both public and private is just that—modern.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/historian-explains-why-justice-clarence-thomas-doesnt-understand-the-second-amendment/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20TheRawStory%20(The%20Raw%20St ory)




"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787


"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, [I]Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

[spankadelphia]

Gun control is an age old class warfare tactic. The rich will never give up their guns, bodyguards, or gated communities far, far away from "disaffected minorities". Us little peons being armed could pose a problem for them in the future.

Restricting gun access to law abiding citizens will do no good at this point. Too many guns in circulation. Anyone who thinks turning the US into a giant version of Sweden is plausible needs to get an MRI stat.

[boutons_deux]

"Restricting gun access to law abiding citizens will do no good at this point."

that's not what strict regulation would do. if you're legit, you can get a gun

"Too many guns in circulation"

agreed, tipping point is passed, and 100K more guns sold every year. America is fucked and unfuckable.

[mingus]

Yeah lousy interpretation is exactly why the 2nd Amendment needs to be changed.

But the NRA is scared ball-less to have any of that.

It's lousely interpreted, lousely written or just the nature of language, which evolves and takes on different meaning over the course of time. The FF meant to lay out something specific. They had intent. It's just doesn't come across in its writing very well.

Luckily we have other sources besides the Constitution that clarify for us the intent behind the 2nd. In all of them their thoughts/statements on it support undeniably/unequivocally that our FF were actually pro-gun rights for the people, better known by you as "mouth breathing gun fellators" or whatever childish names you give them.

Their intent was clear as day in the extra-Constitutional sources/quotes provided here. And to try and read into intent without putting it into proper context, then you're being intellectually dishonest.

So grow a pair.

Argue against the 2nd based solely on its merits, and how a changed or repealed 2nd altogether is better than that hillbilly gun fellating mouth breathing 2nd in the Constution.

[TheSanityAnnex]

that's not what strict regulation would do. if you're legit, you can get a gun

I'm so legit I was able to order this today off of the internet.

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/SDPCOMPACT_0061_zps1g5kjb2w.jpg

What grip do you like?
https://vzgrips.com/pistol-grips/cz-75/cz-75-frag

[boutons_deux]

Gun and self-defense statistics that might surprise you -- and the NRA

259 justifiable homicides with the theft of about 232,000 guns each year, about 172,000 of them during burglaries. That’s a ratio of one justifiable homicide for every 896 guns put in the hands of criminals.

Those 259 justifiable homicides also pale compared with, in the same year, 8,342 criminal homicides using guns, 20,666 suicides with guns, and 548 fatal unintentional shootings, according to the FBI’s Supplemental Homicide Report (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expandhomicidemain). The ratio for 2012, per the Violence Policy Center, was one justifiable killing for every 32 murders, suicides or accidental deaths (the ratio increases to 38-1 over the five-year period ending in 2012). That’s a heavy price to pay.

The center also dives into the thorny thicket of how often the presence of a gun stops a crime — either violent or against property, such as a burglary — from happening. The gun lobby trots out an annual figure of 2.5 million such instances (http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/defensive-gun-use/). But an analysis of five years’ worth of stats collected by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey puts the number much, much lower — about 67,740 times a year.

Over the five-year span ending in 2012, more than half — 56% — of the justifiable homicides involved strangers, and in 11% of the cases, the relationship was not reported. The rest were acquaintances (18.7%) such as neighbors and coworkers, and then a mishmash of relatives and personal relationships.

Conversely, of the 2012 criminal firearm homicides in which a relationship was reported, three out of four victims knew their killers, and more than a third were family members or "intimate acquaintances" — such as spouses, ex-spouses or others involved in a romantic relationship.

nearly half of gun owners say they keep weapons because it makes them feel safer (http://www.people-press.org/2013/03/12/why-own-a-gun-protection-is-now-top-reason/), a proportion that has increased dramatically since 1999 even though violent crime has been in a steady decline (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_r ate_per_100000_inhabitants_1994-2013.xls).

So what conclusions can we draw from this? The notion that a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun is a romanticized vision ( aka pure BULLSHIT ) of the nature of violent crime.

And that the sea of guns in which we live causes exponentially more danger and harm than good (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/18/science/la-sci-guns-safer-20130918).

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-guns-self-defense-charleston-20150619-story.html

iow, MORE GUNS EQUALS MORE GUN VIOLENCE

[TheSanityAnnex]

Gun and self-defense statistics that might surprise you -- and the NRA

259 justifiable homicides with the theft of about 232,000 guns each year, about 172,000 of them during burglaries. That’s a ratio of one justifiable homicide for every 896 guns put in the hands of criminals.

Those 259 justifiable homicides also pale compared with, in the same year, 8,342 criminal homicides using guns, 20,666 suicides with guns, and 548 fatal unintentional shootings, according to the FBI’s Supplemental Homicide Report (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expandhomicidemain). The ratio for 2012, per the Violence Policy Center, was one justifiable killing for every 32 murders, suicides or accidental deaths (the ratio increases to 38-1 over the five-year period ending in 2012). That’s a heavy price to pay.

The center also dives into the thorny thicket of how often the presence of a gun stops a crime — either violent or against property, such as a burglary — from happening. The gun lobby trots out an annual figure of 2.5 million such instances (http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/defensive-gun-use/). But an analysis of five years’ worth of stats collected by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey puts the number much, much lower — about 67,740 times a year.

Over the five-year span ending in 2012, more than half — 56% — of the justifiable homicides involved strangers, and in 11% of the cases, the relationship was not reported. The rest were acquaintances (18.7%) such as neighbors and coworkers, and then a mishmash of relatives and personal relationships.

Conversely, of the 2012 criminal firearm homicides in which a relationship was reported, three out of four victims knew their killers, and more than a third were family members or "intimate acquaintances" — such as spouses, ex-spouses or others involved in a romantic relationship.

nearly half of gun owners say they keep weapons because it makes them feel safer (http://www.people-press.org/2013/03/12/why-own-a-gun-protection-is-now-top-reason/), a proportion that has increased dramatically since 1999 even though violent crime has been in a steady decline (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_r ate_per_100000_inhabitants_1994-2013.xls).

So what conclusions can we draw from this? The notion that a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun is a romanticized vision ( aka pure BULLSHIT ) of the nature of violent crime.

And that the sea of guns in which we live causes exponentially more danger and harm than good (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/18/science/la-sci-guns-safer-20130918).

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-guns-self-defense-charleston-20150619-story.html

iow, MORE GUNS EQUALS MORE GUN VIOLENCE




Looks like a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy 67,740 times a year. Your article shits all over itself.

[boutons_deux]

Looks like a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy 67,740 times a year. Your article shits all over itself.

MORE GUNS EQUALS MORE GUN VIOLENCE

your gun-industry-assumption is that MORE GUNS for everybody everywhere all the time is ALWAYS BETTER.

iow, you, blood on your hands, actively support BAD GUYS having guns in the first place by justifying, propagandizing, anti-regulation for 300M+ guns flooding Amerian FOR PROFIT.

[TheSanityAnnex]

MORE GUNS EQUALS MORE GUN VIOLENCE

Declining gun violence disagrees with you.

[boutons_deux]

Declining gun violence disagrees with you.

nope, (even declined) gun violence equals more gun violence (than any other industrial country where gun violence is comparatively NON-EXISTENT).

America's insane gun violence will continue forever, because You 2nd Amendment frauds have for 40 years pumped America full of guns FOR PROFIT, past a point of no return.

[TheSanityAnnex]

nope, (even declined) gun violence equals more gun violence (than any other industrial country where gun violence is comparatively NON-EXISTENT).

America's insane gun violence will continue forever, because You 2nd Amendment frauds have for 40 years pumped America full of guns FOR PROFIT, past a point of no return.

Sorry but your statement of more guns equals more gun violence is false. You can't argue the numbers.

[boutons_deux]

Sorry but your statement of more guns equals more gun violence is false. You can't argue the numbers.

Sorry, but keep trying to wash the blood from your hands. Gun violence in America is still at unacceptable levels due to so many guns available to both good and bad guys.

[boutons_deux]

Texas grocery giant H-E-B posts signs banning open carry

http://www.corsicanadailysun.com/news/texas-grocery-giant-h-e-b-posts-signs-banning-open/article_5a9429b4-acdb-11e5-9803-432d7e8000b4.html

Whole Paycheck and Safeway also tell you gun fellators to keep out.

[boutons_deux]

The Disinformation Gunmakers Want You to Believe About Women and Guns

The popular ideas about women with guns exist chiefly in the minds of men with guns.


http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/shutterstock_342331295_0.jpg

The General Social Survey is a periodic sociological survey of Americans, run since 1972 by the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago. Among the many trends the survey tracks is gun ownership. Tom Smith, a senior fellow at NORC, has long disputed the story that women are buying guns for self-defense. Comparing the General Social Survey with Smith & Wesson’s claim, he found no significant changes in gun ownership among either men or women in the 1980s. And the women who did own guns often owned long guns for hunting or target shooting, not handguns for self-defense. They were more likely to be married and to live in small cities or rural areas. Most started shooting because their husbands were shooters. In spite of what Smith & Wesson and the media kept telling us, they were not single women living in the urban jungle.

In fact, there is no clear evidence that women are buying guns like crazy. Gallup routinely polls Americans on whether they own guns, among other things, and the results fluctuate up and down by about 5 percent

One thing does seem clear: the overall number of gun owners is shrinking. Since the early 1990s, the percentage of Americans who own guns has steadily declined, even as the civilian gun stock has steadily grown. There are a lot of guns out there to go around. And guns are durable, much more durable than cars or other consumer goods. On any trip to the range you may well see guns fifty years old or more. The market is flooded with used guns.

There is no shortage of pink handgrips on the market, nor of pink rifle stocks and pink camouflage. Women hunters are expected to wear form-fitting camo outfits with pink trim while their husbands and boyfriends slouch along in shapeless old jackets. The female hosts of TV hunting shows are universally blonde and ponytailed, and never appear without perfect makeup. The marketing tells us that women who shoot are expected to be perky and cute while doing it. And apparently a lot of them want to be, which suggests that the General Social Survey is right about women and guns, and that most women with guns own their guns because well-meaning husbands and boyfriends bought them as gifts, that shooting is something they do together with their partners. The supposedly booming women’s gun market seems to revolve, as usual, around men.

When women appear in the pages of Guns & Ammo, they’re in ads, where they clutch AK-47s while wearing bikinis, or cast seductive eyes at the reader with compact pistols concealed in their exposed stockings

And this, of course, is why women who host TV hunting shows have blonde, ponytailed hair, perfect makeup, and form-fitting camo with pink trim. The ideal of a woman with a gun is not threateningly feminist, but traditionally feminine: she needs help from masculine “experts,” wears lipstick in a duck blind, and is easy on the eyes. She accepts that men know best, and she doesn’t try to figure out anything for herself. This woman is a walking, talking validation of the masculinity of the gun culture, a reply to all that female skepticism directed at men and their guns, who are otherwise at best goofy, and at worst downright frightening. And so the gun culture claps its hands, absorbs the idea of women with guns, and declares that it is now feminist. It thinks women should be encouraged to do everything men do.

How have we created a culture so defective that people respond to any perceived threat to their guns with insults, threats, and even with violence? For “defective” is certainly the appropriate word.

http://www.alternet.org/books/disinformation-gunmakers-want-you-believe-about-women-and-guns

[TheSanityAnnex]

another alternet article

http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/shutterstock_342331295_0.jpg

[boutons_deux]

The Tragic Rundown on 48 Gun Disasters from Just One Week in America

Example: A delivery worker was accidentally shot at a customer’s home by—get this—a gun knocked off a table by his dog.

Freedom-loving Chicagoans are surely excited to finally be able to carry concealed firearms, especially folks with a particularly pressing need to protect themselves. Like the cell phone store owner who, defending himself from an armed robber, sprang into action to put a bullet in the chest of an innocent 27-year-old man at the bus stop across the street, and another through the wall of the apartment of a nearby family of five (and into their TV set).

By the time November rolled over into December, hunting accidents were steady at ten, up just two from the previous week. But in GunFAIL, kid season is year-round, and another 15 were hit in the week from November 29 through December 5. Nineteen people accidentally shot themselves, and five were shot by family members or significant others.

Ohio reestablished itself as the GunFAIL capital of the north, contributing seven of our original 46 incidents in this listing, but even more remarkably, racking up six reports in a row on December 2 and 3 alone! This installment also marks the continuation of the tradition of gun show accidents, logging one from the Crossroads of the West gun show in Phoenix, Arizona. How did it happen?

Well, in addition to a buyer and friend a little too itchy to get started enjoying the new gun before even leaving the show, a vendor appears to have violated the show’s strict policy against loaded guns (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-accidentally-shoots-friend-phoenix-gun-show-article-1.2456913) inside the show hall (which makes the show a “gun free zone,” since as we know from being told so often, an unloaded gun is a mere hunk of useless metal).

This firearms expert also confounded the secondary level of safety precautions by zip-tying the pistol he was selling (also required by show management) through the magazine well (http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/30688839/gun-show-assures-safety-ahead-of-pima-county-event) rather than through the chamber and the barrel. While that prevents a magazine from being inserted, it doesn’t render the gun incapable of firing, nor demonstrate that the chamber is empty. And I guess it wasn’t! Thanks, gun expert!

It was also a rough week for take-out food delivery workers.

A pizza delivery boy in Michigan was accidentally shot through the wall by a man showing off his gun in the barber shop next door.

Two days later, in Toledo, a delivery worker was accidentally shot at a customer’s home by—get this—a gun knocked off a table by his dog.

What’s your favorite amendment, Rex? Woof! Woof! That’s right! The Second! Who’s a good shot? Who’s a good shot? You are! Yes, you are!

.... 48 items:


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/tragic-rundown-48-gun-disasters-just-one-week-america

Freedom!!

[TheSanityAnnex]

another alternet article
http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/shutterstock_342331295_0.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Virginia Repugs sucking off the gun industry, and such sucking "shall not be infringed"

Virginia Republican Bets Gov. Might Appreciate Guns More If We Let Someone Shoot Him

Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe has incurred some serious gun-humper butthurt with a new policy on concealed carry permits. To punish the governor, a state senator has taken an idea from the internet (and a “joke” by Tucker Carlson (http://wonkette.com/589067/tucker-carlson-revives-hilarious-disarm-the-secret-service-gag-from-2013)) and threatened to turn it into actual policy. If McAuliffe is so afraid of guns, well then, how about we eliminate funding (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/terry-mcauliffe-bill-carrico-concealed-carry) for his state police security detail so he won’t have any evil guns around him, and let’s just see how he likes that, hmmmmm?

Here’s the dealio: On Dec. 22, Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring announced the state would no longer recognize (http://www.oag.state.va.us/index.php/media-center/news-releases/675-december-22-2015-herring-and-vsp-complete-audit-and-update-of-concealed-handgun-permit-recognition) concealed-carry permits from 25 other states whose standards for permits are weaker than Virginia’s. Herring’s press release explained the “reciprocity” agreement with those states was ending because “their laws are not sufficient to prevent someone who is disqualified under Virginia law from receiving a concealed handgun permit.”The reaction from gun fondlers was predictable: Tyranny!

Political correctness run amok! What part of “shall not be infringed” don’t you understand?

Republican state Sen. Bill Carrico vowed this aggression would not stand, man, telling the Bristol Herald (http://www.heraldcourier.com/news/va-tightens-concealed-gun-permit-rules-drawing-ire-of-lawmakers/article_3b894758-b899-5f6e-9606-5d44d08b7692.html) the move was “absurd,” and “all political,” and a “threat to the people of Virginia that have concealed carry handgun permit reciprocity from other states.”

In response to this unspeakable act of tyranny, which would leave Virginians defenseless — or at least would mean folks with concealed carry permits from those 25 states would have to carry openly, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Virginia) which is allowed for virtually all weapons in Virginia — Carrico promised to teach McAuliffe a lesson about messin’ with the gun-humping community:

“A lot of the governor’s power is deferred to the General Assembly at that point and I’ll be getting with my colleagues to circumvent everything this governor has done on this point,” Carrico said. “I have a budget amendment that I’m looking at to take away his executive protection unit. If he’s so afraid of guns, then I’m not going to surround him with armed state policemen.”


http://wonkette.com/597423/virginia-republican-bets-gov-might-appreciate-guns-more-if-we-let-someone-shoot-him

... and there are certainly inbred gun fellators in VA and elsewhere who'd love to assassinate a no-security-staff McAuliffe

[boutons_deux]

one more gun equals one more dead daughter

Police: Florida Mom Fatally Shoots Daughter After Mistaking Her For Intruder

ST. CLOUD, Fla. (AP) — Police in central Florida say a mother mistook her daughter for an intruder and shot her to death.

St. Cloud police Sgt. Denise Roberts said Wednesday the mother was asleep when she heard someone enter her home late Tuesday.

The mother told police she heard footsteps approaching quickly so she fired a single shot. She then discovered the person was her 27-year-old daughter.

The daughter was taken to a hospital where she died.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/st-cloud-mother-shoots-daughter?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[CosmicCowboy]

shit happens.

Your mom was probably bummed the rubber broke too.

[CosmicCowboy]

Merry Christmas to me! UPS just brought me a present.
http://i65.tinypic.com/2ylv1og.jpg

[Bender]

according to the MSM, Executive Action coming soon on more gun laws.

[TheSanityAnnex]

according to the MSM, Executive Action coming soon on more gun laws.

Another record setting day of background checks on the horizon. Gun control :lol

[boutons_deux]

Fox's Ingraham Denies Reality Of Gun Show Loophole And Public Support For Gun Background Checks

Fox News contributor Laura Ingraham defended Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush's false claim that the gun show loophole is not real, while also incorrectly claiming most Americans do not support background checks for gun purchases.

The gun show loophole -- also known as the private sales loophole when sales without background checks are conducted online or through other non-gun show venues -- is real, with the best available data (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/25/discredited-gun-researcher-john-lotts-failed-at/192391) showing that up to 40 percent of all gun sales go through private sellers without a background check, and the loophole exists in Florida (http://smartgunlaws.org/background-checks-in-florida/).

Even though Florida does not require so-called private sellers to perform background checks on customers, Bush frequently misleads (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/09/17/will-media-continue-to-let-jeb-bush-to-lie-abou/205624) about the strength of gun background checks in Florida.

An October 2015 PolitiFact review of the claim that Ingraham said had "been debunked" found that it was correct (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2015/oct/05/jeremy-bird/jeremy-bird-says-90-percent-americans-want-mandato/), noting multiple polls showing between 80 percent and 93 percent support for background checks. Even more recently, a November 2015 poll (https://www.americanprogress.org/press/release/2015/11/17/125618/release-gun-owners-overwhelmingly-support-background-checks-see-nra-as-out-of-touch-new-poll-finds/) found over 80 percent support among gun owners for the proposal, including 81 percent of Republican gun owners.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/01/03/foxs-ingraham-denies-reality-of-gun-show-loopho/207705

The 100% dishonest, imaginary universe of gun fellators "shall not be infringed"

[TheSanityAnnex]

Fox's Ingraham Denies Reality Of Gun Show Loophole And Public Support For Gun Background Checks

Fox News contributor Laura Ingraham defended Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush's false claim that the gun show loophole is not real, while also incorrectly claiming most Americans do not support background checks for gun purchases.

The gun show loophole -- also known as the private sales loophole when sales without background checks are conducted online or through other non-gun show venues -- is real, with the best available data (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/25/discredited-gun-researcher-john-lotts-failed-at/192391) showing that up to 40 percent of all gun sales go through private sellers without a background check, and the loophole exists in Florida (http://smartgunlaws.org/background-checks-in-florida/).

Even though Florida does not require so-called private sellers to perform background checks on customers, Bush frequently misleads (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/09/17/will-media-continue-to-let-jeb-bush-to-lie-abou/205624) about the strength of gun background checks in Florida.

An October 2015 PolitiFact review of the claim that Ingraham said had "been debunked" found that it was correct (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2015/oct/05/jeremy-bird/jeremy-bird-says-90-percent-americans-want-mandato/), noting multiple polls showing between 80 percent and 93 percent support for background checks. Even more recently, a November 2015 poll (https://www.americanprogress.org/press/release/2015/11/17/125618/release-gun-owners-overwhelmingly-support-background-checks-see-nra-as-out-of-touch-new-poll-finds/) found over 80 percent support among gun owners for the proposal, including 81 percent of Republican gun owners.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/01/03/foxs-ingraham-denies-reality-of-gun-show-loopho/207705

The 100% dishonest, imaginary universe of gun fellators "shall not be infringed"



Speaking of dishonest, tell me more about the 40% of guns being sold through unlicensed dealers with no background checks. Where does this data come from? How many people were surveyed? When were they surveyed? When did the Brady bill go into affect? What do the survey's authors say about their own data?

[boutons_deux]

The N.R.A. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/national_rifle_association/index.html?inline=nyt-org) remains the dominant force in much of the country, spending more than $32.5 million last year on campaigns and lobbying. It has shown continued muscle in stopping new restrictions and loosening existing ones in many localities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/us/politics/state-focus-and-infusion-of-funding-buoy-gun-control-advocates.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

2nd Amendment? :lol

Freedom? :lol

NRA corruption, wealthy with BigGun $Ms, purchasing of legislators "shall not be infringed"

Apparently, there's now new $Ms sloshing around from the anti-gun people.

iow, American govt is for sale, for sale CHEAP, totally corrupt, America is fucked and unfuckable.

[boutons_deux]

Your argument doesn't hold up.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person."-James Madison

"the best security of a free country" AGAINST EXTERNAL THREATS

:lol goddam, bitch slapping you gun fellatin sickos is fun and easy.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You never addressed this and are being 100% dishonest.


Speaking of dishonest, tell me more about the 40% of guns being sold through unlicensed dealers with no background checks. Where does this data come from? How many people were surveyed? When were they surveyed? When did the Brady bill go into affect? What do the survey's authors say about their own data?

[TheSanityAnnex]

"the best security of a free country" AGAINST EXTERNAL THREATS

:lol goddam, bitch slapping you gun fellatin sickos is fun and easy.




Watching you bitch slap yourself is more fun and much easier :lol

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787


"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, [I]Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Madison was an interesting man surely but if the best arguments you can make are on the authority of a man 200 years dead that shows how unlasting the sentiment is.I can find 20th and 21st century philosophers who discuss all the rights of man yet the NRA types choose interpretable quotes from 2 centuries ago.

The biggest example of what things are like when 'everyone has a gun' can be found in American history in the 19th century and the middle east of today. How stable were those areas?

[boutons_deux]

" American history in the 19th century"

when many cities, towns, saloons, etc made people "check your guns at the door"

[angrydude]

Rich people are just going to poison us all to death anyway. Then they'll turn on each other.

[boutons_deux]

Rich people are just going to poison us all to death anyway. Then they'll turn on each other.

actually, BigCorp is poisoning all of us, land, water, air, every day

For More Than 50 Years, DuPont Concealed the Cancer-Causing Properties of Teflon

Internal company reports have revealed that DuPont had for many years either known or suspected that Teflon contained a harmful ingredient.

Starting around 1951, DuPont began using another laboratory-formed chemical known as Perfluorooctanoic (PFOA) acid, or C8 (so called because it contains eight carbon molecules), to smooth out the lumpiness of freshly manufactured Teflon. An unusually durable chemical, C8 first entered the world in 1947 and due to its nonstick and stain-resistant properties its use as a “surfactant” spread with extraordinary speed.

The white, powdery compound, often said to look like Tide laundry detergent, would ultimately be used in hundreds of products including fast food wrappers, waterproof clothing, electrical cables, and pizza boxes. (DuPont used to purchase C8 from another chemical company called 3M until 2002, when the company phased it out. DuPont then started manufacturing C8 on its own at a factory in Fayetteville, North Carolina.)

The trouble was that the compound – which has since been linked to a variety of health risks including cancer, liver disease, developmental problems, and thyroid disease – escapes into the air easily. In fact, C8 was often shipped to factories pre-mixed with water to keep the dust from worker’s lungs.

Because it’s an extremely stable chemical, C8 does not biodegrade. Instead, it bioaccumulates, building up in people’s blood over time if they continue to drink water or breathe air laced with the substance. Due to its ubiquitous use, the chemical can now be found in trace amounts in the bloodstream of more than 98 percent of Americans, and even in umbilical cord blood and breast milk, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

It’s also been found in the blood of seals, eagles, and dolphins around the world, including in animals living in a remote wildlife refuge in the middle of the North Pacific. The chemical is expected to stay in the environment for thousands of years.

Concerns about the hazards posed by Teflon and C8 began to garner public attention only about 15 years ago. By 2003, DuPont had dispersed almost 2.5 million pounds of C8 from its Washington Works plant into the mid-Ohio River Valley area, according to a peer-reviewed study. The company’s most egregious disposal practices occurred before US environmental laws were first written in the 1970s and included burying toxic waste in drums along the banks of the Ohio River and dropping barrels of it out into the open ocean (where it once caused a scandal when a local fisherman dredged a barrel up in his nets), and, in more recent decades, burying it in local “non-hazardous” landfills.

http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/dupont-duplicity-chemical-giant-hid-cancer-causing-properties-teflon

Private profit for public, planetary poisoning.

It was all y'all's HATED govt and its hated EPA environmental laws that stopped the worst of Dupont's crimes.

[admiralsnackbar]

Not going to read 10 pages of what I anticipate will be bullshit, but curious whether anybody really believes a repeal of the 2nd Amendment is in the works.

[boutons_deux]

repeal of the 2nd Amendment

It's a bogus issue the asshole gun fellators, NRA/GOA/gun-indu$try, as detached from reality as the Bundy bunch, use to jerk each other off, a totally false threat that isn't proposed by gun control people.

Same shit with "Feds, esp black, Dem Feds, gonna come take all our guns"

[admiralsnackbar]

Apologies if it's not a surprise you'd characterize the issue this way, boutons. Some of us would like to hear it from the horse's mouth, however -- for right or wrong.

[boutons_deux]

Apologies if it's not a surprise you'd characterize the issue this way, boutons. Some of us would like to hear it from the horse's mouth, however -- for right or wrong.

good luck, I figure you'll get nothing but fantasies, paranoia from the horse's mouth.

[admiralsnackbar]

good luck, I figure you'll get nothing but fantasies, paranoia from the horse's mouth. Not saying I disagree, but I'm interested in what argument others might choose. Nothing is black and white besides the infiltrating Stormfront 'stache-lickers' (and a few others' ) positions.

[boutons_deux]

Here's another paranoia bullshit spew you sicko gun fellators can fall for, per usual in all y'all's fantasy world for the mentally ill

NRA Unhinged: Obama Is "Our Biggest Threat To National Security"

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2016/01/04/nrabiggestthreat.jpg

In the video, the charge that "the biggest threat to national security is sitting in the Oval Office" is made by former Bush administration official John Bolton, a Fox News contributor. Bolton has served in an NRA leadership position (http://nraontherecord.org/john-bolton/) and frequently appears in NRA News videos to advance (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/05/31/2081511/nra-att-lies/) the gun organization's views.

The NRA previously supported (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/apr/18/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-nra-used-support-expanded-backgr/), in the words of NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre, "mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show," although the gun group has since abandoned this position and now claims expanded background checks would be the precursor to the confiscation (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/03/04/nras-wayne-lapierre-falsely-claims-background-c/192890) of privately owned firearms. :lol

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/01/04/nra-unhinged-obama-is-our-biggest-threat-to-nat/207731

slurp that shit up, gun fellators, yum yum

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao Smith and Wesson and Ruger stock exploded yesterday on a day where the general market tanked big time.

Sounds lie the voters are voting.

[boutons_deux]

When Gun Violence Felt Like a Disease, a City in Delaware Turned to the C.D.C.

When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/centers_for_disease_control_and_prevention/index.html?inline=nyt-org) came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/meningitis/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier) or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.

They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office.


“Just like any other epidemic,” Ms. Shabazz said, “we need to be quarantined, categorized by severity, infused with nutrients, healthy substance, programs, and healed.”
The study has been received here with a measure of enthusiasm and questions about what to do next. And it has caught the attention of researchers around the country, who call it a fairly rare look at gun violence by an agency that they say has been effectively limited for nearly two decades in pursuing that line of inquiry by its congressional appropriation.

The final report (http://dhss.delaware.gov/dhss/dms/files/cdcgunviolencereport10315.pdf), which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.

“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,” the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

“Our investigation was not focused on the mechanism of injury,” said Courtney Lenard, a spokeswoman for the agency, “but rather on understanding opportunities to intervene on more root causes of violence such as prior exposure to violence, family disruption and limited educational attainment.”

The Wilmington research sidestepped the funding restrictions, because it was a response to a request and because “it doesn’t focus as much on the issue of guns themselves; it really focuses on these other risk factors and ways to intervene,” said. Dr. Linda Degutis, the former director of theNational Center for Injury Prevention and Control (http://www.cdc.gov/injury/) at the C.D.C. She added that it was frustrating to be unable to do an extensive study on gun violence while she was there.

David Hemenway, a director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, said that could be a shortcoming of an effort to look at gun violence. “Unfortunately they feel like they can only talk about part of the problem, they can’t talk about the gun part of the problem,” Dr. Hemenway said, adding, “Looking at the supply side — how do they get these destructive weapons?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/us/cdc-gun-violence-wilmington.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

NRA/gun industry pays Repug whores to defund, block govt research of gun violence.

1000s of Americans die and/or injured for profit, and gun industry keeping polluting America with Ms of guns.

More guns sold resulting from Repug/NRA/GOA fear mongering about gun violence

Dead Americans for profit and crime are just corporate businesses.

2nd Amendment? :lol