Where Would You Rate Tony Parker?

[The Artest Factor]

Where would you all rate Tony Parker overall and amongst point guards?
Here are some other point guards in the NBA. Some are considered PG/SG's, but that's not important.

Kirk Hinrich
Jason Terry
Andre Miller
Chauncey Billups
Baron Davis
Jamaal Tinsley
Sam Cassell
Jason Williams
TJ Ford
Marko Jaric
Stephon Marbury
Steve Francis
Allen Iverson
Steve Nash
Mike Bibby
Rafer Alston
Gilbert Arenas

[pjjrfan]

This is tuff, Point Guard also brings a lot of intangibles, like leadership, savvy, smarts, being able to . Some things like leadership and smarts aren't Tony's stronger points. But Id say he would rank in the top 10 easy.

[Bruno]

I agree quite well with this article :
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3900858

Tony is end top 10 point guard.
If you look at contract, age, injury, PG who are undersized SG and character, I only choose over Parker : Iverson, Nash, Billups and Bibby.

[Boo]

Top 10.

I'd say around 10 though

[Boo]

^^ and what's up with all these "Where would you rate" threads.?

[Kori Ellis]

Point guard is so hard to rate because different teams need different things out of their point - pure distributor vs scoring point, etc.

I'd say he's somewhere near 9 or 10. If he comes in this year with a consistent jumper, that number will be rise quickly.

[spurschick]

I'm going to be a total girl here and say that both Manu and Tony rate much higher in cuteness/hotness than any other player listed in both threads. :smokin

[1Parker1]

I'm going to be a total girl here and say that both Manu and Tony rate much higher in cuteness/hotness than any other player listed in both threads. :smokin

:lmao I was thinking the same.


I'd say Parker was around 7 or 8. I still think Bibby is overated.

[The Artest Factor]

1. Steve Nash
2. Allen Iverson
3. Jason Kidd
4. Stephon Marbury
5. Steve Franics
6. Baron Davis
7. Gilbert Arenas
8. Mike Bibby
9. Chauncey Billups
10. Jamaal Tinsley
11. Andre Miller
12. Kirk Hinrich
13. Jason Terry
14. Rafer Alston
15. Tony Parker

[14dave]

1Allen Iverson
2Jason Kidd
3Steve Nash
4Tony Parker
5Chauncey Billups
6Mike Bibby
7Baron Davis
8Gilbert Arenas
9Steve Francis
10Stephon Marbury
11Jamaal Tinsley
12Kirk Hinrich
13Sam Cassell
14Andre Miller
15Jason Terry
16Jason Williams
17Rafer Alston
18Marko Jaric
:drunk

[MI21]

The Artest Factor is correct, Rafer Alston > Tony Parker.

[Bruno]

But he is not the biggest Pacers Homer

http://www2.indystar.com/articles/7/240424-3967-116.html

I don't see the Pacers trading Foster to the Spurs, unless they get Tim Duncan in return.

[msufan420]

1Allen Iverson
2Jason Kidd
3Steve Nash
4Tony Parker
5Chauncey Billups
6Mike Bibby
7Baron Davis
8Gilbert Arenas
9Steve Francis
10Stephon Marbury
11Jamaal Tinsley
12Kirk Hinrich
13Sam Cassell
14Andre Miller
15Jason Terry
16Jason Williams
17Rafer Alston
18Marko Jaric
:drunk

In no way should Tony Parker EVER get rated higher than Chauncy...NEVER.

[samikeyp]

1. Steve Nash
2. Allen Iverson
3. Jason Kidd
4. Stephon Marbury
5. Steve Franics
6. Baron Davis
7. Gilbert Arenas
8. Chauncey Billups
9. Tony Parker
10 Andre Miller

[Vashner]

Anyone on that list without a ring needs to step down BELOW parker.....

[MI21]

In no way should Tony Parker EVER get rated higher than Chauncy...NEVER.

You could argue he is already a better regular season player. Probably within 2 years Parker will be better than Billups ever was. But for now, Billups is quite a bit ahead of Tony in playoff pressure games/series'.

[TDMVPDPOY]

IMO parker is overrated, till the day he has an accurate jumpshot like beno then he be deadly, same with beno if only had the quickness of parker on the court.

Parker just got exposed in the euro champs, is he goin to go out and say fiba rules sucks?

[JamStone]

You could argue he is already a better regular season player. Probably within 2 years Parker will be better than Billups ever was. But for now, Billups is quite a bit ahead of Tony in playoff pressure games/series'.


Sure, you could argue Tony Parker is a better regular season player, but you would be wrong. And, Spurs fans should know as much as any fan that the post season is where a basketball player earns his paycheck.

The only facet Tony Parker is better than Chauncey Billups is in quickness.

Billups is bigger, stronger, and a better shooter. Neither racks up a lot of assists for a point guard, but that's in part due to the offensive systems of each respective team.

I would be really cautious about saying Parker will be better than Billups ever was. Pundits and biased fans have said things like "Steve Francis is a sure hall of famer" or "Eddy Curry is the next Shaq" or "Darko Milicic is Dirk Nowitzki and Kevin Garnett combined" or "Andre Miller will lead the league in assists for many years to come."

I like Tony Parker, and I think he just needs to improve his consistency and his mental approach to be an elite PG. But, even though Chauncey Billups had a rough beginning to his professional basketball career, over the last three seasons, including post season, he has shown to be an elite level point guard, a clutch scorer, and a headline playmaker. To casually and nonchalantly throw out such a seemingly confident statement like Parker will be better than Chauncey Billups ever was is to totally disrespect Billups.

How much better can a player be than the MVP of the NBA Finals??? It would be like saying AMARE STOUDEMIRE will definitely have a better career than TIM DUNCAN. It's laughable.

[coopdogg3]

Guess I am gonna be a total Spurs homer, but I am asking myself who I would trade Tony Parker for straight-up on that list. Are AI and Marbury better PGs than Parker? Yes. Would I trade TP for either of them? Nope. They each just have too much baggage and would drag the Spurs down. Would I trade TP for Billups? In a heart-beat, I really like Billups and think he would fit in well with the Spur's system.

So with that criteria if who I would actually be willing to trade TP for given the Spurs system and how well they would mesh with the Spurs.

1) Nash
2) Billups - Hard to argue with a finals MVP, and the Spurs eyes are on the Finals
3) Kidd
4) Davis
5) Arenas
6) Parker

Maybe something like that. If Parker develops a consistent jumpshot I think we will see a much better PG as that will make him more effective in the reg season, but should also really help his post-season play.

coopdogg3

[whottt]

1.Allen Iverson
2.Steve Nash
3.Gilbert Arenas
4.Chauncey Billups
5.Stephon Marbury
6.Tony Parker


It's just wrong to put guys like Steve Francis and Mike Bibby higher than Parker...Parker has owned them both..badly...

Come to think of it...Parker has owned every one of these guys except for the ones I ranked ahead of him.

Parker is under-rated...but hey...he's only 23 still the age of a many college rookies...let's see if he establishes himself as one of the truly elite PG's in the NBA this year.

FWIW...Parker will never have high assist totals on a team with Tim Duncan...but if he could hit his Free Throws he would have already established himself as a great scoring PG...of the 18-20 PPG variety.

I think by the end of this season he will have proved himself an All Star/All NBA PG...

I personally think he should have made an All NBA D team last year..

[remingtonbo2001]

It's very difficult to compare Tony to various guards because of the current role he assumes. One must also consider the potential a player can achieve. It is not unreasonable to assume that Tony has the most potential of any point guard in this league, although only time will tell if he is able to achieve the expectations that have been set before him. You can only compare the progress and achievements Tony has made, with the progress and achievements that other guards have made during the same period during their careers. That being said, Tony would be placed in the top 3. I remember when the Spurs originally turned down a trade involving Tony Parker and Gary Payton. Was Payton more capable at the time? Yes, but Tony had an incredible amount of potential which the Spurs thought would benefit the team long-term. Of each player listed, Tony has produced more positive results than any with the 4 years he has played in this league. Yes, even Jason Kidd, who failed to provide Dallas with a consistant winning percentage. You cannot judge a player upon the unknown.

[remingtonbo2001]

Tony Parker would tear Tinsley apart. This may be difficult for any Pacer fan to comprehend, and I will not hold it against anyone. As a fan, you always feel that you have the best players, unless of course, your a Clippers fan. I would have a hard time placing Tinsley in the top 5, let alone the top 10 among point guards.

[2centsworth]

1.Allen Iverson
2.Steve Nash
3.Gilbert Arenas
4.Chauncey Billups
5.Stephon Marbury
6.Tony Parker


It's just wrong to put guys like Steve Francis and Mike Bibby higher than Parker...Parker has owned them both..badly...

Come to think of it...Parker has owned every one of these guys except for the ones I ranked ahead of him.

Parker is under-rated...but hey...he's only 23 still the age of a many college rookies...let's see if he establishes himself as one of the truly elite PG's in the NBA this year.

FWIW...Parker will never have high assist totals on a team with Tim Duncan...but if he could hit his Free Throws he would have already established himself as a great scoring PG...of the 18-20 PPG variety.

I think by the end of this season he will have proved himself an All Star/All NBA PG...

I personally think he should have made an All NBA D team last year..
I'd put JKidd and Bibby ahead of him.

That's just for one year only. Long term I would go with Parker above everyone except maybe Billups, Iverson, and Arenas.

[samikeyp]

And, Spurs fans should know as much as any fan that the post season is where a basketball player earns his paycheck.

this is all that matters.

[SLOVENIAN 8]

I will rate him after tomorow game against SLOVENIA!!! :lol

[FreshPrince22]

You could argue he is already a better regular season player. Probably within 2 years Parker will be better than Billups ever was. But for now, Billups is quite a bit ahead of Tony in playoff pressure games/series'.

Sorry, but you can't "learn" to be clutch. Guys like Horry, Reggie, Kobe, Billups, etc just have it in them. He may be able to handle the pressure better in the future, and not fold like a deck of cards, but you don't go from Parker level clutch to Billups level.

Billups is a true floor leader, where as Tony isnt (he probably won't ever have to with Duncan and Manu by him).
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[samikeyp]

Once TP becomes a "dollar player" (good for four quarters) he will be a top 5 pg. The good thing is that he is only 23 and still has room to grow. I think playing with Manu and Tim is good for him because he can grow and progress at his rate and not have to have the pressure of being the #1 guy all the time.

[1Parker1]

Sorry, but you can't "learn" to be clutch. Guys like Horry, Reggie, Kobe, Billups, etc just have it in them. He may be able to handle the pressure better in the future, and not fold like a deck of cards, but you don't go from Parker level clutch to Billups level.

Billups is a true floor leader, where as Tony isnt (he probably won't ever have to with Duncan and Manu by him).


Billups was nothing until aout 3 years ago. I'm not saying that I disagree with your statement that Billups>>Parker nor am I disagreeing with Billups and his clutchness and ability to hit big shots in the postseason. However, let's be honest, until Billups got under LB's wings and took the Pistons to the Finals, who had EVER described Billups as a "true floor leader?" As for his clutchness, I never heard much about his "clutchness" until 03-04.

My point is that all these comparison stats are moot. Guys like Billups, Nash, AI, etc. have been in the league for far longer than Parker, and have already had that "one season" or turning point in their careers where they've turned their games around and raised it to the next level. It's too premature for these comparisons.

[TOP-CHERRY]

Sorry, but you can't "learn" to be clutch. Guys like Horry, Reggie, Kobe, Billups, etc just have it in them. He may be able to handle the pressure better in the future, and not fold like a deck of cards, but you don't go from Parker level clutch to Billups level.

Billups is a true floor leader, where as Tony isnt (he probably won't ever have to with Duncan and Manu by him).

http://www.mysticskye.com/photos/data/media/9/parker_mavs.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/spurs/parker_254_030320.jpg


A 6'2" Tony Parker scoring the game-winning shot against a 7'0" Dirk Nowitzki and a 7'6" Bradley with 2 seconds to go.

Apparently, Parker has already "learned" to be clutch for a while now. Just because we have Tim and Manu to be clutch, and now adding Van Exel to the threat, doesn't mean Tony can't still do it.

[1Parker1]

OHHHHHHHHHHH, that was a sick shot! I still remember that game!

[TOP-CHERRY]

OHHHHHHHHHHH, that was a sick shot! I still remember that game!
Was that the game where he made the hilarious comment about having balls?

:lmao

[JamStone]

In the POST SEASON of 2002, when Terrell Brandon was out with injury, Chauncey Billups averaged something like 23 points, 5 assists, and 5 rebounds for the Timberwolves. That's part of the reason the Pistons signed him to a long term contract. He was also an overall #3 pick in his draft (1997, same draft class as Duncan), after a great sophomore year at Colorado.

His tour at Boston was a problem because the way Rick Pitino ran his players like college players. His time in Denver was tumultous in large part because in retrospect Dan Issel didn't know what he was doing. His first true opportunity came when Terrell Brandon got injured in the 2001-2002 season.

Chauncey being a "clutch" player is overstated. In the last few years, he has just been fortunate enough to have hit some big shots in big playoff games. He is also an excellent free throw shooter, which allows him to "ICE" games as a "clutch" player. Most starters in the NBA have the talent and attitude to be "clutch" players.

Comparing stats is not "moot." If we are having a discussion to rank players, we are ranking players as they are NOW, or as of the LAST SEASON. We can say Amare Stoudemire is better than Kevin Garnett because Amare will be better than KG in a few years. We are talking about the here and now.

As for Tony Parker, I think it's fair that he is one of the quickest guards in the league. I think he is one of the best point guards in driving to the hoop using his quickiness and his tear drop floater. He is a decent defender, and better than average play maker. He has a nice but inconsistent jumpshot. BUT, one definite negative thing you can say about Tony Parker is that in each of the last post seasons, he has had mental breakdowns and defensive lapses or turnovers that really hurt his team, so much so, that sometimes he didn't finish close playoff games. This past finals run, there were times that Manu or Brent Barry had to man the point guard in clutch fourth quarter situations because Tony Parker was not performing well.

TP may very well become one of the better point guards in the league. But, not only does he have to get a little stronger and a more consistent jumpshot, he also has to gain the mental toughness to lead this team. Since both Manu and Tim are in their late 20s, and Tony Parker is only 23, ask yourself this: When both Manu and Tim are retired, say in 8 years when Tony is still in his prime, do you honestly see him leading a team to another championship as the number one option?

[whottt]

In the POST SEASON of 2002, ?


In 01-02 Parker as a 19 year old rookie went out there and schooled Gary Payton....he had struggled against the Lakers...but Fisher is a tougher defender than he gets credit for and Pop had him on a short leash.

Overall...I'd say he exceeded the expectations of a 19 year old PG.


In 02-03....Parker had the toughest assignment in just about every series...Marbury, Nash, Kidd...

He held his own against Jason Kidd...so much so that the Nets had to pull Kidd off of him defensively. Everyone acts like he tanked and was saved by Speedy..but he had 4 good games in that series...including game 5...and Speedy didn't really do anything other than game 6 when he was left wide open and dared to shoot.

He did okay against Nash...He got food poisoning but earlier in that series Nelson put Raja Bell on Parker to go out there and throw elbows.

Marbury has always been Parker's toughest matchup..but by the late games of that series Parker was playing up to his nomral level.

Overall...he didn't suck...he held his own against the guy the Spurs were looking at replacing him with...arguably the best PG in the NBA.


In 03-04...

Well through the first two games of that Laker series...Parker wasn't just playing spectacular...he was the best player on the court...for either team. Phil Jackson started doubling him...and that is still the only time I have ever seen Phil double a PG...

Parker sucked for the last 4 games of that series...but so did everyone else...and Parker was the focus of a major defensive adjustment.

But still..you cannot deny that he was totally phonomenal in the first 2 games of that series...the best player on the court..on a court that had Duncan, Shaq, Malone, Kobe, Payton and Manu.

In 04-05...
Parker again had the toughest assignment in nearly every series...Dre Miller...the MVP Steve Nash, and the Finals MVP Billups...

Parker played as good as could be expected against Nash...he was pretty damn good...Against Miller he struggled...but he did hit a clutch shot in an OT game against them. Against Billups...well he didn't match up well with Chauncey...but he made the game winning defensive play in game 5 and Pop credited Tony with starting the defensive stand in game 6 that lead us to victory.


I don't think there is anyone that can claim Parker has been a post season disappointment based on the challenges he has had...He has shownhe can play a higher level against the toughest competition...at the same time...he hasn't quited adjusted to how to play against a team intent on denying him penetration with multiple defenders...

Over all he has been above average...has legitmately earned his 2 rings...and he's just now 23 years old.


And Parker has hit a ton of late second shots and he's hit game winners too...this year he showed a nack for hitting big shots in OT.

Parker is a stud PG...and we haven't seen the best of him yet...In this thread he's being put up against some of the best PG's ever...and he's just now beyond the age of most rookies at the hardest position to master in the NBA.

[ShoogarBear]

Wow, nice job, whottt.

For some people, including me, Tony is going to have to overcome the perception given by 03 Finals and the 04 Lakers series. He took some steps toward that in the 05 Finals. As pointed out by the people around here who actually know basketball, he was good to above-average against the toughest defense against point guards in the L.

For others on this board, he is forever going to have to live them down no matter what he does the rest of his career, just because they want to have it in for him.

[FreshPrince22]

As for his clutchness, I never heard much about his "clutchness" until 03-04.


You must have slept through the 02-03 season then. That was easily his best "clutch" season. During the regular season he lead the league in lead-changing shots in the final 2 minutes, and had 7-8 game winning, last second shots. When LB got here though, he seemed to like to mix it up a bit since going to Billups became predictable (though I still think I'd rather have him take a half-court shot than Rip do what he did in game 5). So Sheed and Rip got a few shots at it this year. The team also probably would have gone to the finals in 02-03 if it weren't for Chauncey's sprained ankle in the playoffs, but that type of thing happens.
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[Sense]

1.Allen Iverson
2.Steve Nash
3.Gilbert Arenas
4.Chauncey Billups
5.Stephon Marbury
6.Tony Parker

Come to think of it...Parker has owned every one of these guys except for the ones I ranked ahead of him.

I think he's owned Nash plenty.



Parker is under-rated...but hey...he's only 23 still the age of a many college rookies...let's see if he establishes himself as one of the truly elite PG's in the NBA this year.
Always said this.



I think by the end of this season he will have proved himself an All Star/All NBA PG...


Yep.

[Sec24Row7]

Artest...

All i can say is...

Scoreboard you fan choking bitch.