If Parker finishes the season as the #3 scorer on the Spurs...

[SASdynasty!]

...can we say he's decreased as far as his role on the team?

Obviously there is not going to be another Spur that distributes the ball like Parker. The question is, will his role be reduced to say, the #3 scorer on the team? It's possible that he finishes behind Kawhi AND Aldridge this season (even though he's shooting better from the field than both of them and Duncan). This season he's averaging slightly more than Duncan per game as Duncan's scoring role continues to diminish each season (dropped every year for the last 4 years). At some point, Parker won't carry the scoring AND assists load for the team every season, and that day may be coming in the near future.

Parker Scoring:

2015-16 - ?
2014-15 - #2
2013-14 - #1
2012-13 - #1
2011-12 - #1
2010-11 - #1
2009-10 - #3
2008-09 - #1
2007-08 - #3
2006-07 - #2
2005-06 - #1
2004-05 - #2
2003-04 - #2
2002-03 - #2
2001-02 - #5

Parker Assists:

2015-16 - ? (hahaha)
2014-15 - #1
2013-14 - #1
2012-13 - #1
2011-12 - #1
2010-11 - #1
2009-10 - #1
2008-09 - #1
2007-08 - #1
2006-07 - #1
2005-06 - #1
2004-05 - #1
2003-04 - #1
2002-03 - #1
2001-02 - #1

[apalisoc_9]

Parker shoots way too much.

[dabom]

Parker was the worst NBA player and post season player.

[SpursFan86]

This team is in deep shit if Parker ends up scoring more than Kawhi or Aldridge, tbh :lol

[RD2191]

Parker shoots way too much.


Parker was the worst NBA player and post season player.


This team is in deep shit if Parker ends up scoring more than Kawhi or Aldridge, tbh :lol

[K...]

Parker shoots way too much.


Parker was the worst NBA player and post season player.


This team is in deep shit if Parker ends up scoring more than Kawhi or Aldridge, tbh :lol

Not adding any useful analysis.

The op already stipulates that Parker will not be the leading scorer. Tbh this thread is redundant since we've been discussing the issue of the offense (mainly in apo's troll thread "what happened in the third quarter" but also el nono's "should we change the starting backcourt")

But it's nice to look at that list and see that changing the offense is more difficult than it seems like it should be to a casual fan. You don't mess with what works (not saying Parker is anywhere near his peak, but he still works ) and that's the main thing with Parker haters. They appear to have no idea of how valuable Parker had been since 2007.

[freetiago]

Parker should theoretically be the 3rd leading scorer tbh. Spurs need someone who can get in the paint so Leonard/Aldridge/West can be freed for jumpers. Manu isn't going to be playing enough to be in that role and there's 0 other slashers on the roster. If no one is penetrating then the offense will just be mid range isos.

[SAGirl]

If he continues to be as efficient as he's been, it doesnt matter if he's the 1st or 2nd or 3rd. The issue is his ball distribution/assists and decisions in crunch time.

[SASdynasty!]

Parker shoots way too much.
But he shoots a high percentage compared to the rest of the team.

[SASdynasty!]

Parker was the worst NBA player and post season player.
Lol, you probably actually believe that, which is how delusional the krew rhetoric has you.

[dabom]

Maybe I should pull out some stats for you.

[daledondale]

...can we say he's decreased as far as his role on the team?

Obviously there is not going to be another Spur that distributes the ball like Parker. The question is, will his role be reduced to say, the #3 scorer on the team? It's possible that he finishes behind Kawhi AND Aldridge this season (even though he's shooting better from the field than both of them and Duncan). This season he's averaging slightly more than Duncan per game as Duncan's scoring role continues to diminish each season (dropped every year for the last 4 years). At some point, Parker won't carry the scoring AND assists load for the team every season, and that day may be coming in the near future.

Parker Scoring:

2015-16 - ?
2014-15 - #2
2013-14 - #1
2012-13 - #1
2011-12 - #1
2010-11 - #1
2009-10 - #3
2008-09 - #1
2007-08 - #3
2006-07 - #2
2005-06 - #1
2004-05 - #2
2003-04 - #2
2002-03 - #2
2001-02 - #5

Parker Assists:

2015-16 - ? (hahaha)
2014-15 - #1
2013-14 - #1
2012-13 - #1
2011-12 - #1
2010-11 - #1
2009-10 - #1
2008-09 - #1
2007-08 - #1
2006-07 - #1
2005-06 - #1
2004-05 - #1
2003-04 - #1
2002-03 - #1
2001-02 - #1

:lmao Stop reading right there.

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[SpursforSix]

I don't care who the 3rd scorer is.

But Parker makes some of the worst turnovers for a PG.

It's like his hands don't know how to adjust to his new slower speed.

For real.

Everyone sees that shit right?

[dabom]

I don't care who the 3rd scorer is.

But Parker makes some of the worst turnovers for a PG.

It's like his hands don't know how to adjust to his new slower speed.

For real.

Everyone sees that shit right?

[SASdynasty!]

Maybe I should pull out some stats for you.
Let me guess, efficiency stats with low volume against second units. Or one of a hundred cherry-picked "advanced" stats. Yes, please find some. I'm talking about scoring lots of points and having lots of assists. I guess I'm old fashioned that way. Bbbbbuuuutttttt look at Boban's +/- !!!! He must be the best Spur on the team!!!!

[SASdynasty!]

I don't care who the 3rd scorer is.

But Parker makes some of the worst turnovers for a PG.

It's like his hands don't know how to adjust to his new slower speed.

For real.

Everyone sees that shit right?
Or who has the most assists apparently. I know those things don't matter for you. You're more interested in how it "feels." Patty's shots make a better swish tho!!!! Lol.

[Spurtacular]

...as Duncan's scoring role continues to diminish each season (dropped every year for the last 4 years).

I know what you're saying. But I don't know that Duncan's role has diminished. He's sacrificing shot attempts; but his importance to the team has not diminished, imo.

[SpursforSix]

Or who has the most assists apparently. I know those things don't matter for you. You're more interested in how it "feels." Patty's shots make a better swish tho!!!! Lol.

Oh...you're right. I just looked up his stats and he's averaged 21 assists this season.
My bad.

[All Mighty Janitor]

I don't care who the 3rd scorer is.

But Parker makes some of the worst turnovers for a PG.

It's like his hands don't know how to adjust to his new slower speed.

For real.

Everyone sees that shit right?

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. It's one thing for him to try and draw a foul at the rim(and turn it over), but he just bobbles the ball out of nowhere. He doesn't have to look out of control either; he just leaves the ball, it bounces off his foot, or plainly mishandles it. What am I missing? He didn't do that before, right?

And to the OP: His role has already been diminished. He won't be 1st or 2nd in scoring and if your thinking that, your more of a player fan than any or the other people in this thread. Whether he's 3, 4, 5, or 6 in scoring won't matter. If Parker's not scoring it will come from someone else. And although he's been the assist leader many years in a row, he might not finish 1st in assist this year. He's got competition from Manu, Boris, and even Tim. Ultimately, it doesn't matter who leads so long as the offence is hummin' nicely.

[SpursforSix]

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. It's one thing for him to try and draw a foul at the rim(and turn it over), but he just bobbles the ball out of nowhere. He doesn't have to look out of control either; he just leaves the ball, it bounces off his foot, or plainly mishandles it. What am I missing? He didn't do that before, right?

And to the OP: His role has already been diminished. He won't be 1st or 2nd in scoring and if your thinking that, your more of a player fan than any or the other people in this thread. Whether he's 3, 4, 5, or 6 in scoring won't matter. If Parker's not scoring it will come from someone else. And although he's been the assist leader many years in a row, he might not finish 1st in assist this year. He's got competition from Manu, Boris, and even Tim. Ultimately, it doesn't matter who leads so long as the offence is hummin' nicely.

I don't think he did it noticeably until last season. I thought (or hoped) that it was due to the injury. But he's doing the same thing this year.
Frivolous Parker bashing aside, his arms and legs don't seem to be in sync.

[ElNono]

I don't care who the 3rd scorer is.

But Parker makes some of the worst turnovers for a PG.

It's like his hands don't know how to adjust to his new slower speed.

For real.

Everyone sees that shit right?

It's actually something new for him, that's why it's noticeable, tbh... He had the same uncharacteristic turnovers over the summer with team France...

Hopefully it's just him finding out the limitations of his body, tbh...

Also, Manu was the #1 assist guy in the (only) playoff series against the Clippers last season...

[All Mighty Janitor]

I don't think he did it noticeably until last season. I thought (or hoped) that it was due to the injury. But he's doing the same thing this year.
Frivolous Parker bashing aside, his arms and legs don't seem to be in sync.

I guess all the starters are making big adjustments to themselves and to each other. This could be worse for longer than I thought.:(

[SASdynasty!]

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. It's one thing for him to try and draw a foul at the rim(and turn it over), but he just bobbles the ball out of nowhere. He doesn't have to look out of control either; he just leaves the ball, it bounces off his foot, or plainly mishandles it. What am I missing? He didn't do that before, right?

And to the OP: His role has already been diminished. He won't be 1st or 2nd in scoring and if your thinking that, your more of a player fan than any or the other people in this thread. Whether he's 3, 4, 5, or 6 in scoring won't matter. If Parker's not scoring it will come from someone else. And although he's been the assist leader many years in a row, he might not finish 1st in assist this year. He's got competition from Manu, Boris, and even Tim. Ultimately, it doesn't matter who leads so long as the offence is hummin' nicely.
Lol at Parker not leading the Spurs in assists. And seriously? 6th in scoring? He didn't even do that his rookie season. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Lol. 6th! Hahaha! He hasn't finished lower than 3rd in 14 years, but yah he's going to finish 6th! Hahaha! Do you guys realize how silly that is?

Duncan hasn't outscored Parker in 6 years, but all the sudden this season he will, lol. Who else? Mills!? Hahaha! A guy who averaged less than 7 PPG last year! Oh yah. Hahah 6th!

[TheGreatYacht]

Parker needs to come in 2nd behind LMA. Only way we'll win.

LMA #1
Parker #2
Tim #3
Manu #4

[cjw]

Lol at Parker not leading the Spurs in assists. And seriously? 6th in scoring? He didn't even do that his rookie season. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Lol. 6th! Hahaha! He hasn't finished lower than 3rd in 14 years, but yah he's going to finish 6th! Hahaha! Do you guys realize how silly that is?

Duncan hasn't outscored Parker in 6 years, but all the sudden this season he will, lol. Who else? Mills!? Hahaha! A guy who averaged less than 7 PPG last year! Oh yah. Hahah 6th!

Mills is more than a 7 ppg guy given injuries last year, but he's also going against significantly lesser defenders. There are certain times Parker is matched up against bench units, and Mills against starters, but the huge dropoff in competition isn't quantifiable.

If your third / fourth / fifth / whatever offensive option is a PG who's going to shoot over 50% from the floor, there are worse situations in the league. Issue with the first unit has been ball movement and that will work itself out as Aldridge gets integrated. If Green's shooting picks up like in the Charlotte game, driving lanes become more available too.

Now on defense, that's a whole other issue. Parker can't defend Westbrook / Curry / Lawson / Conley / Paul. With OKC and Memphis, you can stick him on whatever garbage 2 they trot out there (yes, Waiters is still garbage and got lucky opening night). GS and Houston, that's not quite the case. As we saw, Clippers fall into that second bucket if Reddick and Crawford are hitting.

[RD2191]

Parker needs to come in 2nd behind LMA. Only way we'll win.

LMA #1
Parker #2
Tim #3
Manu #4

Your troll game is weak, tbh.

[Kawhitstorm]

You might want to check out his career PER:lol. His production is all based on high usage rate.

[K...]

You might want to check out his career PER:lol. His production is all based on high usage rate.

That you have to point this out shows you don't understand stats at all.

[dabom]

Can k... Show me parkers career WS/48 vs his playoffs WS/48?

[Kawhitstorm]

That you have to point this out shows you don't understand stats at all.

More like you can't comprehend advanced stats:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Can k... Show me parkers career WS/48 vs his playoffs WS/48?

But......but......but.....:wakeup

[All Mighty Janitor]

Lol at Parker not leading the Spurs in assists. And seriously? 6th in scoring? He didn't even do that his rookie season. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Lol. 6th! Hahaha! He hasn't finished lower than 3rd in 14 years, but yah he's going to finish 6th! Hahaha! Do you guys realize how silly that is?

Duncan hasn't outscored Parker in 6 years, but all the sudden this season he will, lol. Who else? Mills!? Hahaha! A guy who averaged less than 7 PPG last year! Oh yah. Hahah 6th!

Parker probably will lead the Spurs in assists...as long as Danny stops sucking; but seriously he's got competition and for you to deny that is ludicrous (he not even the leader now, Manu is). And yes he will finish behind Kawhi and LMA and could finish behind Duncan, Mills, Green, and Manu. The only reason I didn't say 7th is because, believe it or not, I have faith in Parker. I said he could finish anywhere from 3-6 (no matter how unlikely). Good on you to take the low number just to exaggerate :rolleyes.

[K...]

Can k... Show me parkers career WS/48 vs his playoffs WS/48?

Career 1.47

So, the point of this thread is only that the offensive share of the team is changing. Some people became hostile to days and tried to change the subject rather than respond to op. Read my original comment. This thread has limited value because the stat op is using is not very useful.

I can see that. I said that. Y'all are both late and are not being direct in your disagreements with op or me

[dabom]

You are wrong k... But I will let it slide because I know parker fans don't at stuff like that.

[dabom]

Look*

[K...]

Parker probably will lead the Spurs in assists...as long as Danny stops sucking; but seriously he's got competition and for you to deny that is ludicrous (he not even the leader now, Manu is). And yes he will finish behind Kawhi and LMA and could finish behind Duncan, Mills, Green, and Manu. The only reason I didn't say 7th is because, believe it or not, I have faith in Parker. I said he could finish anywhere from 3-6 (no matter how unlikely). Good on you to take the low number just to exaggerate :rolleyes.

You are pretty delusional to think Parker won't finish at least third in points. God bless Manu, but he's on minutes restriction. If you meant to say rotations will change and injuries will happen, then fine, but the current rotations make it all but certain Parker is the third offensive option unless green upgrades from icy hot to Bengay or Duncan becomes a stat padder

[K...]

You are wrong k... But I will let it slide because I know parker fans don't at stuff like that.

I said a lot of things dabom, plz explain. You haven't said much in this thread btw. Remember, the topic is very narrow

[K...]

Look*

Did you know there is an edit function?

[dabom]

Where's it at?

[FkLA]

lol 3.5 apg and the Rique fanboy is worried about PPG

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Very impressive stats.

[All Mighty Janitor]

You are pretty delusional to think Parker won't finish at least third in points. God bless Manu, but he's on minutes restriction. If you meant to say rotations will change and injuries will happen, then fine, but the current rotations make it all but certain Parker is the third offensive option unless green upgrades from icy hot to Bengay or Duncan becomes a stat padder

Manu is ahead of him now (barely, I know) and Duncan is close. He will most likely finish 3rd, but it's not definite. He could finish lower for all the reasons you listed however unlikely (like I said before). In other words, we agree.

[K...]

Manu is ahead of him now (barely, I know) and Duncan is close. He will most likely finish 3rd, but it's not definite. He could finish lower for all the reasons you listed however unlikely (like I said before). In other words, we agree.

yeah cool i say 4-6 with decreasing likelihood. I'm not against lowering his minutes even further, but i don't argue shit that doesn't make sense. As bad as he is parker will likely remain the starting pg and play at least 27m a night.

Ans unlike DABOM, you know where the edit feature is....

[james evans]

basketball is about more than scoring. Unfortunately, espn has brainwashed everyone into believing otherwise.

[milkyway21]

.EHYan we say he's decreased as far as his role on the team?

Obviously there is not going to be another Spur that distributes the ball like Parker. The question is, will his role be reduced to say, the #3 scorer on the team? It's possible that he finishes behind Kawhi AND Aldridge this season (even though he's shooting better from the field than both of them and Duncan). This season he's averaging slightly more than Duncan per game as Duncan's scoring role continues to diminish each season (dropped every year for the last 4 years). At some point, Parker won't carry the scoring AND assists load for the team every season, and that day may be coming in the near future.

Parker Scoring:

2015-16 - ?
2014-15 - #2
2013-14 - #1
2012-13 - #1
2011-12 - #1
2010-11 - #1
2009-10 - #3
2008-09 - #1
2007-08 - #3
2006-07 - #2
2005-06 - #1
2004-05 - #2
2003-04 - #2
2002-03 - #2
2001-02 - #5

Parker Assists:

2015-16 - ? (hahaha)
2014-15 - #1
2013-14 - #1
2012-13 - #1
2011-12 - #1
2010-11 - #1
2009-10 - #1
2008-09 - #1
2007-08 - #1
2006-07 - #1
2005-06 - #1
2004-05 - #1
2003-04 - #1
2002-03 - #1
2001-02 - #1

this is prpbably the readon WHY Kawhi -obsessed fans hate Parker so much.
He is a hindrance to Kawhi In the scoring sheet. :D

[ChumpDumper]

Did you know there is an edit function?


Where's it at?Are you able to breathe on your own?

[TheGreatYacht]

this is prpbably the readon WHY Kawhi -obsessed fans hate Parker so much.
He is a hindrance to Kawhi In the scoring sheet. :D

[Agloco]

Parker shoots way too much.

And he's making them at a rate that justifies it. Relax.

[Agloco]

Maybe I should pull out some stats for you.

Pull your head out of your ass first.

[diego]

Parker was 3rd in total scoring last year. Regardless his role and just about everyone else's is changing because of lma, he's said so himself, no need to speculate

Oh, and op is a whiny bitch, Tony Parker hasn't carried the scoring and assist load every year on a team with Tim Duncan and manu ginobili. He's a member of the big 3 and did his share, but he's nowhere close to being alone out there