Petition for no Syrian refugees to the U.S.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I would say the risk is quite small, so yes. Listen this interview at the 5:30 mark if you want to hear why. This guy spent a week with them, he knows what he's talking about.

430W_imRQXw

Don't have speakers on my work computer, I'll watch it later tonight.

Why do you continue to ignore the Iraqi refugee terrorists that slipped through the system even though we had way more intel on Iraqi refugees than we will have on Syrians refugees?

[ChumpDumper]

terrified :lol

This coming from the guy who has exhaustively studied the screening process and knows the exact numbers and whereabouts of each Syrian refugee now in the United States, but yeah, you aren't terrified.I don't know the exact whereabouts of each Syrian refugee. I found out 2000 were already here and there was a really simple graphic in the obscure site called the New York Times or something like that showing where they were.

You never said what you are going to do about the Syrian refugees in your area, TSA -- are you terrified of simple questions too?

[ChumpDumper]

Does the benefit outweigh the risk?Follow though on a rather paltry refugee intake to prove we aren't a completely cowardly nation that is playing right in Daesh's hands?

Yes, it's worth it.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Past generations have accepted great burdens to do the right thing, i.e. the Union's smashing of the confederacy, the revolution itself that threw off the British, as well as WW1 and WW2.

A few people get killed by some psychopathic nutters and we lose our minds with fear. "keep us safe" at the cost of becoming a nation of cowards.

Funny thing about the whole thing is that the kind of stupidity that the Republican party is pushing is exactly what ISIS wants.


http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21678785-battle-against-islamic-state-must-be-waged-every-front-how-fight-back

More than "a few" people were just killed.

And do you really want people living in your country that will turn to radical Islam because their feelings got hurt?

[Clipper Nation]

Past generations have accepted great burdens to do the right thing, i.e. the Union's smashing of the confederacy, the revolution itself that threw off the British, as well as WW1 and WW2.

A few people get killed by some psychopathic nutters and we lose our minds with fear. "keep us safe" at the cost of becoming a nation of cowards.

> Letting terrorists into the country = "accepting great burdens to do the right thing"
> Not letting terrorists into the country = "losing our minds with fear... becoming a nation of cowards"
> Allowing American citizens to own firearms for self-defense = "we can't keep doing this, it's too unsafe! Think of the children!"


Funny thing about the whole thing is that the kind of stupidity that the Republican party is pushing is exactly what ISIS wants.

If you actually think ISIS wouldn't want us to let them into our country and not protect ourselves from them, I've got a bridge to sell you.

[Splits]

Don't have speakers on my work computer, I'll watch it later tonight.


He basically says (in 2014) that the threat is from citizens who want to join but instead carry out attacks before they go to Syria/Iraq. That the ones who come back are the losers and are not really a threat because they quit.



Why do you continue to ignore the Iraqi refugee terrorists that slipped through the system even though we had way more intel on Iraqi refugees than we will have on Syrians refugees?

Perhaps because there have been no attacks by Iraqi refugees in the US, so the threat is either overblown or doesn't exist? Also, I wouldn't consider someone fighting against an occupying force to be a "terrorist". Probably still shouldn't let them in, but that's just defending your neighborhood.

[hater]

Lol USA telling refugees to go fuck themselves on Thanksgiving :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't know the exact whereabouts of each Syrian refugee. I found out 2000 were already here and there was a really simple graphic in the obscure site called the New York Times or something like that showing where they were.

You never said what you are going to do about the Syrian refugees in your area, TSA -- are you terrified of simple questions too?

I don't have any in my area and if I did not much I could do anyways to avoid being blown up.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't have any in my areaHow do you know?
and if I did not much I could do anyways to avoid being blown up.So you don't even want them to leave?

You're not afraid of the ones that are already here that went through the intake process you declare to be so flawed?

You make no sense.

[spurraider21]

Post them.


Comey is a right-wing hack, a legacy of the disastrous Bush admin. I don't trust anything he says.
lol make up ur mind

[RandomGuy]

More than "a few" people were just killed.

And do you really want people living in your country that will turn to radical Islam because their feelings got hurt?

We lose 38,000 per year in traffic accidents. That averages out to about 104 people per day.

If we want to modify our behavior based on the costs in terms of lives, why not start with making our roads safer?

If we are willing to accept hundreds of times more deaths for simple convenience, why not accept the risk of a terrorist attack to help tens of thousands of innocent human beings escape from this kind of hellhole?

Have we gotten that hysterical? Which is exactly what these asshats want.

[RandomGuy]

http://listosaur.com/miscellaneous/top-5-causes-of-accidental-death-in-the-united-states/

Choking: 2500 deaths per year.
4. Fires (2,700 annual deaths)
3. Falls (25,000 annual deaths)
2. Poisoning (39,000 annual deaths)
1. Motor Vehicle Incidents (42,000 annual deaths)


Maybe we should wage a war against choking?

[Spurminator]

Our risk of creating terrorists by continuing to let vetted refugees into the country is far less than our risk of creating terrorists by telling them to go fuck themselves because of their religion. If you don't want a religious war, don't make it a religious war.

[TheSanityAnnex]

How do you know?i found the map you mentioned


So you don't even want them to leave?

You're not afraid of the ones that are already here that went through the intake process you declare to be so flawed?

You make no sense.
less than 2,000 here now and we aren't going to round them up and send them back so I don't really care they are here. 65,000 more is a significant increase that brings a much more significant risk due to numbers alone.

[boutons_deux]

a religious war.


... a war of any stripe, esp with long-term occupation of foreign countries, is exactly what MSM (sells ads to corporations) and MIC (sucks down taxpayers' wealth in corporate welfare) want.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://listosaur.com/miscellaneous/top-5-causes-of-accidental-death-in-the-united-states/

Choking: 2500 deaths per year.
4. Fires (2,700 annual deaths)
3. Falls (25,000 annual deaths)
2. Poisoning (39,000 annual deaths)
1. Motor Vehicle Incidents (42,000 annual deaths)


Maybe we should wage a war against choking?
Seriously? :lol

[RandomGuy]

One More: Drowning (2,000 annual deaths)
Postscript: Accidental Shootings (600 annual deaths)

Hell, you are more likely to die from an accidental shooting than to be deliberately killed in a terrorist incident.

[RandomGuy]

Seriously? :lol

Um, no, not seriously. Merely pointing out how silly worrying about terrorists actually is, given the other ways that people die accidentally in the US.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Our risk of creating terrorists by continuing to let vetted refugees into the country is far less than our risk of creating terrorists by telling them to go fuck themselves because of their religion. If you don't want a religious war, don't make it a religious war.

I'd rather not let people in who would turn to terrorism if told to fuck off

[Clipper Nation]

http://listosaur.com/miscellaneous/top-5-causes-of-accidental-death-in-the-united-states/

Choking: 2500 deaths per year.
4. Fires (2,700 annual deaths)
3. Falls (25,000 annual deaths)
2. Poisoning (39,000 annual deaths)
1. Motor Vehicle Incidents (42,000 annual deaths)


Maybe we should wage a war against choking?

:lol The lack of self-awareness here is stunning. These are the exact arguments libcucks reject when used against gun control.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Um, no, not seriously. Merely pointing out how silly worrying about terrorists actually is, given the other ways that people die accidentally in the US.
And we take precautions everyday to avoid these types of accidents.

[Spurminator]

I'd rather not let people in who would turn to terrorism if told to fuck off

It's not necessarily those people. It's anyone from the millions and millions people who see us turn away their countrymen.

[td4mvp2k]

We lose 38,000 per year in traffic accidents. That averages out to about 104 people per day.

If we want to modify our behavior based on the costs in terms of lives, why not start with making our roads safer?

If we are willing to accept hundreds of times more deaths for simple convenience, why not accept the risk of a terrorist attack to help tens of thousands of innocent human beings escape from this kind of hellhole?

Have we gotten that hysterical? Which is exactly what these asshats want.:td

[Spurminator]

The anti-Muslim rhetoric of our vote-courting leaders makes a great recruiting tool for ISIS and the like. Maybe we should be more concerned about that?

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm fascinated by the phenomenon where the more Americans get scared about something, the more willing they are to part with American fundamentals and freedom and liberty to gain some greater (and illusory) sense of safety.

[boutons_deux]

The anti-Muslim rhetoric of our vote-courting leaders makes a great recruiting tool for ISIS and the like. Maybe we should be more concerned about that?

yep, they want a (Christian) West vs Islam Armageddon, an apocalypse.

Repugs' intentional war mongering, hate mongering, is exactly what the terrorists want, but the rightwinguts keep playing checkers vs the terrorists playing chess.

[Spurminator]

This is America, where we speak with cocky bravado and cower at invented threats. We're a bully in a bubble.

[boutons_deux]

Conservative Politician Posts Pics of Corpses in Paris to Gin Up Anti-Muslim Hatred

Tom Tancredo, the man who founded a political action committee appropriately named Team America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Tancredo#Team_America_PAC), recently took to Facebook to post pictures of corpses from Paris to gin up anti-Muslim and anti-immigration sentiments. Tancredo, a two-time loser in his bid to become governor of his home state of Colorado and an unsuccessful candidate for the presidency, suggested “diversity” would lead to another massacre. He also accused (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29134084/tancredo-accuses-governor-creating-sanctuary-state-terrorists) the man who defeated him, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, of creating a “sanctuary state for Muslim terrorists.”

Tancredo’s first post, dated November 17, is a picture of piles of dead bodies on the bloodstained floor of the Bataclan concert hall, where CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/europe/bataclan-paris-shooting-witness/) reports some 80 people were murdered. The photo is captioned at the top, “CELEBRATING DIVERSITY. One massacre at a time.” Beneath the image, “Coming to a concert hall near you!” It states the message is, “[b]rought to you by” ISIS and Taqiyya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya) Productions, both of which are depicted as fake “branded” logos.

The second post features the same image with different wording. At the top is a quote from Hickenlooper saying the state of Colorado will work with the federal government and Homeland Security to ensure immigrants are vigorously vetted, and that “[w]e can protect our security and provide a place where the world’s most vulnerable can rebuild their lives.” Under the image, the caption from Tancredo states, “Great idea, John. What could ‘possibly’ go wrong?”

http://www.alternet.org/immigration/conservative-politician-posts-pics-corpses-paris-gin-anti-muslim-hatred?akid=13672.187590.RYuqLA&rd=1&src=newsletter1046025&t=4

[boutons_deux]

Start Worrying: Trump Sees New Surge of Support After Paris Attacks

The GOP's anti-refugee sentiment (http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read-obama-unloads-gop-candidates-over-refugee-refusal-n465461) in the wake of the Paris attacks also plays right into Trump's wheelhouse. The New York billionaire has made nativist—and sometimes outright fascist (http://www.salon.com/2015/10/07/donald_trump_american_hustler_the_frightening_fasc ist_tendencies_of_his_gop_rise/)—sentiment a trademark of his campaign. He has garnered support among a cross-section of white nationalists (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/666615398574530560) and recently tweeted out an anti-refugee comment (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/666615398574530560) that reads like anti-Semitic (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8SeOMGCIAAF4CN.jpg) agitprop from the 1930s.

Put another way: the Paris attacks play right into Trump's greatest strengths, white nativism and paranoia.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/start-worrying-trump-sees-new-surge-support-after-paris-attacks?akid=13672.187590.RYuqLA&rd=1&src=newsletter1046025&t=12

[spurraider21]

:lol

https://i.gyazo.com/27e26e9580cb0150ec86045e1d503f5c.png

[Splits]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/178855/story_image/States_that_have_surrendered_to_ISIS.png

[boutons_deux]

The Right Responds to Paris With Bible-Thumping, Scientific Illiteracy, Frat Boy Antics

The situation in Syria is very serious, but conservatives keep responding in idiotic and childish ways.

right-wingers rolling out the usual chest-thumping bravado from Republicans who have no personal worries (https://twitter.com/EliStokols/status/667024565827198976) about ever seeing combat. But never fear! Slobbering enthusiasm for war is far from the only right-wing neurosis that is being trotted out in response to the ISIS situation.

the overwhelming scientific evidence shows that allowing people refuge from war is not only safe itself, it actually decreases the chance of future terrorism. In fact, looking over the evidence, it suggests that the best way to keep people safe is to bring in as many refugees as you can.

This isn’t just because none of the two million refugees accepted into our country since 1990 have committed terrorism, which can be compared that to the almost routine terrorism committed by native born right wingers (http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/255237-anti-immigrant-activists-more-prone-to-terrorism-than-refugees). Research also shows that a refugee’s chance of embracing radical views (http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/258440-we-risk-more-in-not-accepting-syrian-refugees-into-the-us) is much reduced if he moves to some place like the United States or Western Europe.

Republicans don’t think they need science because they have religion. The Bible-thumping has gotten completely out of control in the past week, with Ted Cruz proposing a religious test for Syrian refugees (http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/ted-cruzs-religious-test-for-syrian-refugees)—if you’re Christian, you’re in, if you’re Muslim, you’re not—and Mike Huckabee pretending that Muslims are the only people that commit terrorism (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/17/3722965/huckabee-muslims-are-the-only-terrorists/).

The frat daddy contingent of the right that is mostly motivated by the ever-present fear that you might forget they have penises has to have their say, as well. For that set, of course, you have the Daily Caller, which ran a piece aimed at those men titled, “13 Syrian Refugees We’d Take Immediately.” (As it is a naked attempt to get traffic, I will not link. Rest assured my description will be enough.)

What follows is a bunch of photos from the Instagram account Syrian Girls Got Beauty (https://www.instagram.com/syrian_girls/), which is just what it seems to be, a fashion and beauty photo blog, presumably from Syria.

It’s all about them: Their bigotries, their need to be told their religion is the best, their need to remind you every five seconds that they are heterosexual.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/right-responds-paris-bible-thumping-scientific-illiteracy-frat-boy-antics?akid=13672.187590.RYuqLA&rd=1&src=newsletter1046025&t=14

[boutons_deux]

Paul Ryan comes up empty when pressed on what's wrong with our current refugee screening process (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1452085/-Paul-Ryan-comes-up-empty-when-pressed-on-what-s-wrong-with-our-current-refugee-screening-process)

That wonky wonk House Speaker Paul Ryan really needs to bone up on our refugee screening program (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/paul-ryan-stumbles-over-leadership-test), because he really doesn't get it. Steve Benen:

The trouble comes when pressed for policy details or any kind of substantive analysis. The New York Times reported (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/19/us/politics/republicans-push-to-halt-syrian-refugee-program.html) today:

When pressed, most Republicans could not specify which aspects of the rigorous refugee vetting program that they found inadequate. [House Speaker Paul Ryan’s] staff members cited a Bloomberg poll of 1,002 adults released on Wednesday, conducted by Selzer & Company, that found that 53 percent of those surveyed said the resettlement program should be halted.

Of all the domestic coverage I've seen this week about U.S. politicians and their reactions to Paris, this might be my favorite paragraph to date. Republicans know they have a problem with the vetting process, but they have no idea why.

And when House Speaker Paul Ryan—a celebrated "wonk," according to much of the media – was asked about his concerns, his office pointed to, of all things, a poll.

Yep. That's Republican "leadership" for you. In the hope of providing some education to Ryan and his colleagues, here's how it works (http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21674694-america-should-reclaim-its-role-beacon-those-fleeing-persecution-and-war-yearning?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fpe%2Fed%2Fyearningto breathefree).

Refugees apply for resettlement at American embassies or through the United Nations.

If they pass that first hurdle, they are screened by outposts of the Department of State all over the world.

They undergo investigations of their biography and identity;

FBI biometric checks of their fingerprints and photographs;

in-person interviews by Department of Homeland Security officers;

medical screenings as well as investigations by the National Counter-terrorism Centre and by American and international intelligence agencies.

The process may take as long as three years, sometimes longer.

No other person entering America is subjected to such a level of scrutiny.


Reality's got nothing on the polls, though, for Ryan and his maniacs.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452085/-Paul-Ryan-comes-up-empty-when-pressed-on-what-s-wrong-with-our-current-refugee-screening-process?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

Obama will veto the Repug bill to increase vetting, and the Repugs will try shut down the govt, etc, etc.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12234999_560694237421403_2384141622928775213_n.png ?oh=329bc48f3f082e255aa64518b32679d1&oe=56E8EE46

[Spurminator]

The argument stands fine on it's own without ludicrous comparisons to the Pilgrims.

For one thing, pretty sure we don't want to be the Natives in that scenario.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol @ boutons trying to spin this as strictly a Republican view

Most Americans oppose Obama's Syrian refugee plan


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/poll-obama-syria-refugees-216029 (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/poll-obama-syria-refugees-216029)

[ChumpDumper]

i found the map you mentionedSo you're terrified by your own definition.



less than 2,000 here now and we aren't going to round them up and send them back so I don't really care they are here. 65,000 more is a significant increase that brings a much more significant risk due to numbers alone.How much more significant?

How do you think the terraists will get through the two year process?

[Clipper Nation]

The anti-Muslim rhetoric of our vote-courting leaders makes a great recruiting tool for ISIS and the like. Maybe we should be more concerned about that?
So the solution is to let terrorists in to our country?

[Clipper Nation]

The argument stands fine on it's own without ludicrous comparisons to the Pilgrims.

For one thing, pretty sure we don't want to be the Natives in that scenario.
The Natives probably should have protected their border, tbh.

[Spurminator]

So the solution is to let terrorists in to our country?

No.

[Spurminator]

The Natives probably should have protected their border, tbh.

Totally on board with more border security. That doesn't mean we close off legal entry.

[boutons_deux]

750K refugees accepted since 9/11.

how many massacres by them? and how many massacres by white male Americans?

yet another fabricated outrage by Repugs, yet another example of Repug misgovernance and all politics all the time, refusing to accept the refugees the Repugs created.

[boutons_deux]

Angus King just pointed out the 20M people come into the USA via visa waivers, IN ONE YEAR. How many of those 20M were Muslims?

Again, you rightwingnuts and all gullible assholes have been FUDed hilariously OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

[TeyshaBlue]

So the solution is to let terrorists in to our country?
Terrorists have ready access already and recruiting tools to boot. They've, obviously, been here for awhile. Closing the barn door is pointless and pulls resources away from where they're likely needed.

[Clipper Nation]

No.

Glad we agree on not accepting these "refugees," then.

[Spurminator]

Glad we agree on not accepting these "refugees," then.

Nope.

[Nbadan]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6QGDlh5Llmc/Vk5CxQXZ2ZI/AAAAAAAAOk4/ag7QM5NQES4/s1600/CUMEtUUWcAAw5xK.jpg

[spurraider21]

Department of Homeland Security report

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HomelandSecurityCommittee_Syrian_Refugee_Report.pd f

[rmt]

The commentators on my local radio stations and most people calling in are squarely AGAINST letting them in. Never have I heard such vitriolic on the radio against Obama (with some against Obamacare too). Hopefully they're all calling their representatives and senators. Bill Nelson better vote for the passed House bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qV298bL1M

Robust interview and biometric analysis - LOL

[ChumpDumper]

The commentators on my local radio stations and most people calling in are squarely AGAINST letting them in. Never have I heard such vitriolic on the radio against Obama (with some against Obamacare too). Hopefully they're all calling their representatives and senators. Bill Nelson better vote for the passed House bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qV298bL1M

Robust interview and biometric analysis - LOLTalk radio audience opposes Obama?

ZOMG!

[Pelicans78]

The commentators on my local radio stations and most people calling in are squarely AGAINST letting them in. Never have I heard such vitriolic on the radio against Obama (with some against Obamacare too). Hopefully they're all calling their representatives and senators. Bill Nelson better vote for the passed House bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qV298bL1M

Robust interview and biometric analysis - LOL

Talk radio is dominated by conservatives.

[rmt]

This wasn't Rush, Hannity types - local commentators from 8 to noon - traffic, news, etc.

[Pelicans78]

This wasn't Rush, Hannity types - local commentators from 8 to noon - traffic, news, etc.

Our local commentators on talk radio are conservatives.

I occasionally listen to Rush, Savage, Levin, etc and its all basically the same show. They talk about the same thing, have the same criticisms, same ideas, etc. Pretty sad tbh.

[Th'Pusher]

Our local commentators on talk radio are conservatives.

I occasionally listen to Rush, Savage, Levin, etc and its all basically the same show. They talk about the same thing, have the same criticisms, same ideas, etc. Pretty sad tbh.

All are for profit rabble rousers - an industry that's grown exponentially under Obama.

Mark Levin, who had authored two books prior to Obama taking office (one of them a dog lovers story of joy and anguish :lol ) has written 4 books in the last 4 years.

Emo conservatives lap this shit up.

[Spurminator]

The commentators on my local radio stations and most people calling in are squarely AGAINST letting them in. Never have I heard such vitriolic on the radio against Obama (with some against Obamacare too). Hopefully they're all calling their representatives and senators. Bill Nelson better vote for the passed House bill.

Obviously mass vitriol is indicative of sound judgement.

[MultiTroll]

San Diego taking in refugees despite GOP pushback

Thursday’s House vote to require more stringent screening of Syrian and Iraqi refugees being admitted into the United States comes at a time when California and San Diego County continue to accept some of the highest numbers of refugees in the country.


San Diego admitted 51 Syrian refugees in the 2015 fiscal year, about quadruple the number of Syrians admitted into the county in 2014, according to the Department of Social Services Refugee Programs Bureau. None were admitted in 2013, and only one Syrian refugee was admitted in 2012. California admitted 28 Syrian refugees in 2014, compared with 3 in 2013, according to the bureau.


Though the numbers are small, especially compared with other immigrant groups, the growth reflects the surge in the number of Syrians fleeing their war-torn country. An estimated six million refugees have left the country since the Syrian civil war began.


San Diego County admitted 924 Iraqi refugees in fiscal 2015 and 1,705 in 2014. California took in 2,676 Iraqi refugees in 2014 and 3,684 in 2013.


Staff at local refugee resettlement organizations estimate San Diego County will admit a few hundred Syrians in the year to come, though a precise estimate is unavailable.


Governors in nearly half of the states have said they will refuse to assist Syrian refugees for fear of admitting terrorists into the United States, but Gov. Jerry Brown said California will continue taking in refugees whose backgrounds have been thoroughly checked.


“I intend to work closely with the president so that he can both uphold America’s traditional role as a place of asylum, but also ensure that anyone seeking refuge in America is fully vetted in a sophisticated and utterly reliable way,” he said in a statement.


Jim DeHarpporte, regional director of Catholic Relief Services West, said the public should “wait and observe the process” before reacting. DeHarpporte said there’s a thorough vetting resettlement process in place, which can take up to two years.


“These are the victims of ISIS and radical fundamentalists,” he said. “We feel that we need to protect them. This is the tradition of our country and as a Catholic organization this is what we stand for.”


Individuals must petition the United Nations for refugee status. If they’re cleared, applicants are connected with a country or countries willing to accept them. Resettlement cases in the U.S. are handled by several national agencies that determine the best placement. If refugees have family members in a particular area of the country, for example, they’re likely to be sent there.


In San Diego County, the International Rescue Committee, Catholic Charities, the Alliance for African Assistance and Jewish Family Service of San Diego are sanctioned to resettle refugees.


Faith leaders and community activists in San Diego, at a press conference Thursday led by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, condemned the House vote.


“We really need to review our intentions and clarify what direction we want to take (as a country). If we remember, right after 9/11 we jumped to conclusions, we arrested people, we detained individuals, ripped off their civil rights and liberties,” said Hanif Mohebi, the organization’s executive director.


“We used fear, but that only weakens our own institution, our own core values, our own constitution. Doing this can only give a wrong message to the masses.”


[email protected]

[boutons_deux]

Repugs are fantastic politicians, fantastically corrupt and anti-American.

They really know how to rouse the hate, paranoia, lowest common denominators in their rabble base and dominate the national dialog.

Of course, totally NON productive for the country, no progress, no problems solved, just tending their ignorant, stupid, low-education, low-wage slave state, red state base.

Repugs, as hatchet men for BigCorp/VRWC/1%, are a huge reason why America is fucked and unfuckable.

(still waiting for anybody to prove me wrong on that point, esp how to defeat the Repugs and begin to unfuck America)

[Winehole23]

http://www.cato.org/blog/syrian-refugees-dont-pose-serious-security-threat

[Spurminator]

Meanwhile, in Crazytown...

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/19/456502693/tennessee-lawmaker-calls-for-national-guard-to-round-up-syrian-refugees?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2046

Tennessee Lawmaker Calls For National Guard To Round Up Syrian Refugees

[boutons_deux]

Meanwhile, in Crazytown...

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/19/456502693/tennessee-lawmaker-calls-for-national-guard-to-round-up-syrian-refugees?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2046

Tennessee Lawmaker Calls For National Guard To Round Up Syrian Refugees



The French have their "Droits de l'Homme" for human beings.

The fabricated Americans have their Bill of Rights for American citizens only, other are sub-human with no rights.

[vy65]

Department of Homeland Security report

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HomelandSecurityCommittee_Syrian_Refugee_Report.pd f

Those who support resettlement apparently can cherry pick governmental-effectiveness.

Refugee screening? Sure, the government can effectively screen.

Assessing the risk of terrorism from incoming refugees? The government cannot or has not effectively assessed the risk.

[boutons_deux]

The Farce Awakens :lol

Erick Erickson, the editor in chief of the website RedState.com, is a serious power in right-wing circles. Speechifying at RedState’s annual gathering is a rite of passage for aspiring Republican politicians, and Mr. Erickson made headlines this year when he disinvited Donald Trump (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/08/organizer-influential-redstate-gathering-disinvites-trump-from-annual-event.html) from the festivities.

So it’s worth paying attention to what Mr. Erickson says. And as you might guess, he doesn’t think highly of President Obama’s antiterrorism policies.

Still, his response to the attack in Paris was a bit startling. The French themselves are making a point of staying calm, indeed of going out to cafes (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/world/europe/french-crowd-cafes-to-defy-terror-with-a-sip-of-wine.html?_r=0)to show that they refuse to be intimidated. But Mr. Erickson declared on his website (http://www.erickontheradio.com/2015/11/truth-be-told/) that he won’t be going to see the new “Star Wars” movie on opening day, because “there are no metal detectors at American theaters.” :lol

It’s a bizarre reaction — but when you think about it, it’s part of a larger pattern. These days, panic attacks after something bad happens are the rule rather than the exception, at least on one side of the political divide.

(http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/opinion/republican-refugee-panic-fits-a-pattern.html#story-continues-3)Consider first the reaction to the Paris attacks (http://www.nytimes.com/news-event/attacks-in-paris?inline=nyt-classifier). Lightsabers aside, are Mr. Erickson’s fears any sillier than those of the dozens of governors (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/us/politics/gop-governors-vow-to-close-doors-to-syrian-refugees.html)— almost all Republicans — who want to ban Syrian refugees from their states?

Mr. Obama certainly thinks they’re being ridiculous; he mocked politicians (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/11/17/remarks-president-obama-and-president-aquino-republic-philippines-after) who claim that they’re so tough that they could stare down America’s enemies, but are “scared of widows and orphans.” (He was probably talking in particular about Chris Christie, who has said that he even wants to ban young children.) Again, the contrast with France, where President François Hollande has reaffirmed the nation’s willingness to take in refugees, is striking.

And it’s pretty hard to find anyone on that side of the aisle, even among seemingly respectable voices, showing the slightest hint of perspective. Jeb Bush, the erstwhile establishment candidate, wants to clamp down on accepting refugees unless “you can prove you’re a Christian (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/17/jeb-bush-urges-caution-on-accepting-syrian-refugees/).”

The historian Niall Ferguson, a right-wing favorite, says the Paris attacks were exactly like the sack of Rome by the Goths. Hmm: Were ancient Romans back in the cafes a few days later?

But we shouldn’t really be surprised, because we’ve seen this movie before (unless we were too scared to go to the theater). Remember the great Ebola scare of 2014? The threat of a pandemic, like the threat of a terrorist attack, was real. But it was greatly exaggerated, thanks in large part to hype from the same people now hyping the terrorist danger.

What’s more, the supposed “solutions” were similar, too, in their combination of cruelty and stupidity. Does anyone remember Mr. Trump declaring (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erik-ose/gop-ebola_b_6001794.html) that “the plague will start and spread” in America unless we immediately stopped all plane flights from infected countries? Or the fact that Mitt Romney took a similar position? As it turned out, public health officials knew what they were doing, and Ebola quickly came under control — but it’s unlikely that anyone on the right learned from the experience.

What explains the modern right’s propensity for panic? Part of it, no doubt, is the familiar point that many bullies are also cowards.

But I think it’s also linked to the apocalyptic mind-set that has developed among Republicans during the Obama years.

Think about it. From the day Mr. Obama took office, his political foes have warned about imminent catastrophe.

Fiscal crisis!

Hyperinflation!

Economic collapse, brought on by the scourge of health insurance!

And nobody on the right dares point out the failure of the promised disasters to materialize, or suggest a more nuanced approach.

Given this context, it’s only natural that the right would seize on a terrorist attack in France as proof that Mr. Obama has left America undefended and vulnerable.

Ted Cruz, who has a real chance of becoming the Republican nominee, goes so far as to declare that the president “does not wish (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/14/cruz-obama-does-not-wish-to-defend-this-country/) to defend this country.”

The context also explains why Beltway insiders were so foolish when they imagined that the Paris attacks would deflate Donald Trump’s candidacy, that Republican voters would turn to establishment candidates who are serious about national security.

(http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/opinion/republican-refugee-panic-fits-a-pattern.html#story-continues-8)Who, exactly, are these serious candidates? And why would the establishment, which has spent years encouraging the base to indulge its fears and reject nuance, now expect that base to understand the difference between tough talk and actual effectiveness?

Sure enough, polling since the Paris attack suggests that Mr. Trump has actually gained ground (http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/260708-trump-rises-in-wake-of-paris-attacks).

The point is that at this point panic is what the right is all about, and the Republican nomination will go to whoever can most effectively channel that panic. Will the same hold true in the general election?

Stay tuned.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/opinion/republican-refugee-panic-fits-a-pattern.html

Krugman's talking about all you dickless chickenshits, fellating your metallic penis surrogates, and all of you panicked shitless.

[rmt]

Cruz has no chance of becoming the Repub nominee. The establishment would prefer Rubio, Kaisch, Christie before Cruz who is HATED. They prefer Trump or even Hillary over Cruz.

[Winehole23]

the establishment may see its will undermined by the voters this time around. big money and the internet have attenuated the influence of the smoke-filled room.

[DarrinS]

Weird how this was a "huge concern" back in September, but after Paris, it's just GOP scaremongering.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/9/james-clapper-islamic-state-could-infiltrate-us-we/

[Winehole23]

a stopped watch is right twice a day -- far more often than broken-record catastrophists like James Clapper.

lol The Moonie Times

[ChumpDumper]

Weird how this was a "huge concern" back in September, but after Paris, it's just GOP scaremongering.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/9/james-clapper-islamic-state-could-infiltrate-us-we/Were you hugely concerned back then, Darrin?

[Spurminator]

Weird how this was a "huge concern" back in September, but after Paris, it's just GOP scaremongering.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/9/james-clapper-islamic-state-could-infiltrate-us-we/


While he added that U.S. authorities, who have so far allowed in fewer than 2,000 of Syria’s some 4 million refugees, have a “pretty aggressive” system for screening the backgrounds of those seeking entry into the United States, Mr. Clapper (http://m.washingtontimes.com/topics/james-r-clapper/) said he’s not so confident about the capabilities of some European nations.

[Spurminator]

Not sure when we decided anything of "concern" to our Intelligence agencies should be shut off entirely. That seems pretty cowardly. The very point of our intelligence agencies is to monitor and address things that are concerning.

[rmt]

Cruz is probably angling to be on the ticket should Trump get the nomination (for the conservative base). He's the only one who hasn't gotten into a spar with Trump.

[Spurminator]

Cruz is angling to take the Trump votes when he inevitably drops out of the race.

[rmt]

Cruz is angling to take the Trump votes when he inevitably drops out of the race.

You think he's gonna drop out?

[Spurminator]

Yep, right now he's campaigning to be the biggest celebrity in the country. The business deals, books and TV gigs that will come out of this will make him more grotesquely wealthy than he's ever been. He has no interest in actually leading the nation.

[RandomGuy]

:lol The lack of self-awareness here is stunning. These are the exact arguments libcucks reject when used against gun control.

No, actually it isn't even close to "exact". Strawman much?

[RandomGuy]

:td

The war against islamic fundamentalism and its extremist elements is a war of ideas, which is something that many conservatives fail to grasp.

You can't fight a war of ideas with bullets.

What you can do is solid actions that build up moral authority and respect, and taking in refugees does that in ways that all the bombs can't do.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Department of Homeland Security report

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HomelandSecurityCommittee_Syrian_Refugee_Report.pd f

No surprise here your post was widely ignored.


Finding 2: While America has a proud tradition of refugee resettlement, the United Stateslacks the information needed to confidently screen refugees from the Syria conflict zone toidentify possible terrorism connections.FBI Director James Comey on the challenges of screening Syrian refugees: “We canquery our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up because wehave no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”
• Top U.S. counterterrorism officials have been warning for months that the intelligence on theground in Syria is insufficient to thoroughly vet individuals traveling to the United States fromthe conflict zone. It is difficult both to confirm that Syrian asylum-seekers are who they claim tobe and to determine they do not have ties to terrorist groups.
• Recently, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official Matthew Emrich disclosed that thegovernment does not have access to any database in Syria that can be used to check thebackgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.17 Nevertheless, it wasrevealed that over 90% of Syrian refugee applicants get approved, despite intelligence gapsand absent the ability to thoroughly check for security risks.18
• According to former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, “Our human sources [in Syria] areminimal, and we don’t have a government we can partner with, and that’s a key thing.”19
• National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen explained that “the intelligencepicture we’ve had of this [Syrian] conflict zone isn’t what we’d like it to be… you can only review[data] against what you have.”20
• Affirming these concerns, FBI Director James Comey testified in October to the Committee that“we can only query against that [data] which we have collected. So if someone has not madea ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or intentions reflected in ourdatabases, we can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show upbecause we have no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”21
• Earlier this year, FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach said that “the concern in Syria is thatwe don’t have the systems in places on the ground to collect the information… All of the datasets, the police, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from],don’t exist.”22Finding 3: Despite security enhancements to the vetting process, senior officials remainconcerned about the risks and acknowledge the possibility of ISIS infiltration into U.S.-boundSyrian refugee populations.4National Intelligence Director James Clapper stated that “we don’t obviously put it pastthe likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”
• Departments and agencies responsible for the security of the refugee vetting process haveexplained that additional screening measures have been put place to ensure that Syrianrefugees do not have ties to terrorism. However, after extensive briefings, Committee staffwere not satisfied that these measures would meaningfully mitigate the risks associated with alack of intelligence on the individuals being admitted.
• FBI Director James Comey explained that “there is risk associated with bringing anybody infrom the outside, but especially from a conflict zone like [Syria]…My concern there is that thereare certain gaps I don’t want to talk about publicly in the data available to us.”23
• DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson added, “It is true that we are not going to know a whole lot aboutthe Syrians that come forth in this process.”25 He also explained that “organizations like ISILmight like to exploit” the Syrian refugee resettlement program into the United States.24
• Similarly, James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, stated that “we don’t obviously putit past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”25
• Retired General John Allen, the president’s recent envoy on the coalition to defeat ISIL urgedsimilar caution. “We should be conscious of the potential that [ISIS] may attempt to embedagents within that [Syrian refugee] population.”27Finding 4: Surging admissions of Syrian refugees into the United States is likely to result in anincrease in federal law enforcement’s counterterrorism caseload.
• Following the rise in admissions of Iraqi refugees into the United States, it was discovered thattwo al Qaeda terrorists had managed to slip through the cracks and resettle in Kentucky in2009.28 The FBI reportedly still has “dozens” of ongoing counterterrorism cases tied to theseadmissions.29
• The Committee has been made aware that officials in multiple departments and agencies areconcerned about accelerating Syrian refugee admissions and fear that the lack of caution willresult in a range of new terrorism cases domestically.
• Given the current high-threat environment, agencies are stretched extremely thin in termsof their ability to monitor suspects and disrupt plots. This year the FBI has been forced toconfront nearly a thousand terrorism-related cases in every single U.S. state, according to FBIDirector Comey, straining law enforcement resources. “We had to surge hundreds of peoplefrom criminal cases—which are important—and move them over to the national security side,”he noted. Comey said he was unsure what the Bureau would do if there was a return to thislevel of operational tempo.3

[boutons_deux]

rightwingnuts, Repugs have BLACK hearts for the refugee crisis they created and no balls.

[Wild Cobra]

rightwingnuts, Repugs have BLACK hearts for the refugee crisis they created and no balls.

I was going to respond to this, until I saw it was from you.

Instead, I'll just laugh at you.

LOL...

LOL...

LOL...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The commentators on my local radio stations and most people calling in are squarely AGAINST letting them in. Never have I heard such vitriolic on the radio against Obama (with some against Obamacare too). Hopefully they're all calling their representatives and senators. Bill Nelson better vote for the passed House bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qV298bL1M

Robust interview and biometric analysis - LOL

This is stupid. Between the muslim birther and his blackness you've heard far worse.

The Paris bombers used false passports and the like because going through official channels was too arduous. Our requirements are much more stringent. You should feel stupid but you are probably aware and complicit in the deception which just makes you an asshole.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was going to respond to this, until I saw it was from you.

Instead, I'll just laugh at you.

LOL...

LOL...

LOL...

You sure told him, dimwit.

[DarrinS]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/terrorists-refugee-program-settle-us/story?id=35252500

[TheSanityAnnex]

And exactly where will the data out of Syria come from that will satisfy our much more stringent requirements?




Our requirements are much more stringent.

Finding 2: While America has a proud tradition of refugee resettlement, the United Stateslacks the information needed to confidently screen refugees from the Syria conflict zone toidentify possible terrorism connections.FBI Director James Comey on the challenges of screening Syrian refugees: “We canquery our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up because wehave no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”
• Top U.S. counterterrorism officials have been warning for months that the intelligence on theground in Syria is insufficient to thoroughly vet individuals traveling to the United States fromthe conflict zone. It is difficult both to confirm that Syrian asylum-seekers are who they claim tobe and to determine they do not have ties to terrorist groups.
• Recently, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official Matthew Emrich disclosed that thegovernment does not have access to any database in Syria that can be used to check thebackgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.17 Nevertheless, it wasrevealed that over 90% of Syrian refugee applicants get approved, despite intelligence gapsand absent the ability to thoroughly check for security risks.18
• According to former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, “Our human sources [in Syria] areminimal, and we don’t have a government we can partner with, and that’s a key thing.”19
• National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen explained that “the intelligencepicture we’ve had of this [Syrian] conflict zone isn’t what we’d like it to be… you can only review[data] against what you have.”20
• Affirming these concerns, FBI Director James Comey testified in October to the Committee that“we can only query against that [data] which we have collected. So if someone has not madea ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or intentions reflected in ourdatabases, we can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show upbecause we have no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”21
• Earlier this year, FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach said that “the concern in Syria is thatwe don’t have the systems in places on the ground to collect the information… All of the datasets, the police, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from],don’t exist.”22Finding 3: Despite security enhancements to the vetting process, senior officials remainconcerned about the risks and acknowledge the possibility of ISIS infiltration into U.S.-boundSyrian refugee populations.4National Intelligence Director James Clapper stated that “we don’t obviously put it pastthe likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”
• Departments and agencies responsible for the security of the refugee vetting process haveexplained that additional screening measures have been put place to ensure that Syrianrefugees do not have ties to terrorism. However, after extensive briefings, Committee staffwere not satisfied that these measures would meaningfully mitigate the risks associated with alack of intelligence on the individuals being admitted.
• FBI Director James Comey explained that “there is risk associated with bringing anybody infrom the outside, but especially from a conflict zone like [Syria]…My concern there is that thereare certain gaps I don’t want to talk about publicly in the data available to us.”23
• DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson added, “It is true that we are not going to know a whole lot aboutthe Syrians that come forth in this process.”25 He also explained that “organizations like ISILmight like to exploit” the Syrian refugee resettlement program into the United States.24
• Similarly, James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, stated that “we don’t obviously putit past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”25
• Retired General John Allen, the president’s recent envoy on the coalition to defeat ISIL urgedsimilar caution. “We should be conscious of the potential that [ISIS] may attempt to embedagents within that [Syrian refugee] population.”27Finding 4: Surging admissions of Syrian refugees into the United States is likely to result in anincrease in federal law enforcement’s counterterrorism caseload.
• Following the rise in admissions of Iraqi refugees into the United States, it was discovered thattwo al Qaeda terrorists had managed to slip through the cracks and resettle in Kentucky in2009.28 The FBI reportedly still has “dozens” of ongoing counterterrorism cases tied to theseadmissions.29
• The Committee has been made aware that officials in multiple departments and agencies areconcerned about accelerating Syrian refugee admissions and fear that the lack of caution willresult in a range of new terrorism cases domestically.
• Given the current high-threat environment, agencies are stretched extremely thin in termsof their ability to monitor suspects and disrupt plots. This year the FBI has been forced toconfront nearly a thousand terrorism-related cases in every single U.S. state, according to FBIDirector Comey, straining law enforcement resources. “We had to surge hundreds of peoplefrom criminal cases—which are important—and move them over to the national security side,”he noted. Comey said he was unsure what the Bureau would do if there was a return to thislevel of operational tempo.3

[Wild Cobra]

You sure told him, dimwit.


Definition of LUMPKIN

: a clumsy often stupid person : a blundering fool

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lumpkin

I'll bet your picture is there too!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lumpkin

I'll bet your picture is there too!

It took you this long to finally figure that part out? Bravo!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Cousin It,

Same policy as always. You don't get to talk to me in real time on that account. You can delude yourself into thinking I cannot wait to read your drivel on that account if it makes you feel better.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol :cry real time :cry :lol

[Clipper Nation]

667846764892942337

:cry "But, but, Repugs are scared of women and little children!" :cry

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/20/world/paris-attacks/index.html

Motherfuckers. Brussels on highest terror alert citing serious and imminent threat.

[ChumpDumper]

667846764892942337

:cry "But, but, Repugs are scared of women and little children!" :cryMediterranean.

I don't know why you expect more families to risk their women and children in the sea crossings. Maybe you could explain why rather than just drive by-ing a "business" tweet.

[spurraider21]

I was going to respond to this, until I saw it was from you.

Instead, I'll just laugh at you.

LOL...

LOL...

LOL...
"I was going to respond to this"... and then you respond to it. Good job.

[rmt]

Mediterranean.

I don't know why you expect more families to risk their women and children in the sea crossings. Maybe you could explain why rather than just drive by-ing a "business" tweet.

So tell me why these able bodied men are leaving their women and children behind. Men who care about their families would not leave them behind in a war-torn country with no one to protect them.

Oh, I see Mediterranean. Well, I'd be risking the Mediterranean more than getting left behind. And what about the refugees coming to America. I doubt they are coming across by sea. They are probably being flown over. My husband would NEVER leave us behind - he doesn't even want me driving alone at night.

[mingus]

So tell me why these able bodied men are leaving their women and children behind. Men who care about their families would not leave them behind in a war-torn country with no one to protect them.

Oh, I see Mediterranean. Well, I'd be risking the Mediterranean more than getting left behind. And what about the refugees coming to America. I doubt they are coming across by sea. They are probably being flown over. My husband would NEVER leave us behind - he doesn't even want me driving at night alone.

Are we seriously that ignorant that we believe all these men are abandoning their kids & wives?

LOL.

Some of you are fucking nuts.

[rmt]

Are we seriously that ignorant that we believe all these men are abandoning their kids & wives?

LOL.

Some of you are fucking nuts.

Who said they are abandoning them? If the men are in Europe/US and the women and children are in Syria, they are not necessarily abandoned, but they are alone/without their men. Or are you saying these men don't have wives, children, sisters, mothers? They are all single with no female relatives?

[mingus]

Who said they are abandoning them? If the men are in Europe/US and the women and children are in Syria, they are not necessarily abandoned, but they are alone/without their men. Or are you saying these men don't have wives, children, sisters, mothers? They are all single with no female relatives?

It's been well-documented that it's a very risky journey to go with children. What is the man supposed to do? Stay at home while he sends his wife off? GMAFB. That's not even taking into account the issue of expense. Again, if all they can afford is one person, is the man supposed to send his wife/gf and/or children alone?

You or your husband don't have a damn clue what your're talking about.

[mingus]

I'd wager there's probably not too many advanced age or elderly (~60+) people going either, and it's probably for the same reason, not because the people there don't give a shit about the elderly.

[ChumpDumper]

So tell me why these able bodied men are leaving their women and children behind. Men who care about their families would not leave them behind in a war-torn country with no one to protect them.The women and children aren't in Syria.


Oh, I see Mediterranean. Well, I'd be risking the Mediterranean more than getting left behind. And what about the refugees coming to America. I doubt they are coming across by sea. They are probably being flown over. My husband would NEVER leave us behind - he doesn't even want me driving alone at night.I really do recommend everyone who is terrified at the thought of Syrian refugees' coming to the states actually educate themselves about the process. Unless you just want to hold on to your prompted outrage.

[Splits]

CNN journalist tweets the following, gets suspended for 2 weeks:

667425269347704832

This country has become a fucking joke.

[DMX7]

CNN journalist tweets the following, gets suspended for 2 weeks:

667425269347704832

This country has become a fucking joke.

Waiting to hear GOP candidates call the Statue of Liberty a french trojan horse socialist plot.

[Wild Cobra]

"I was going to respond to this"... and then you respond to it. Good job.

I meant to what was said. It's pointless now.

[Wild Cobra]

It took you this long to finally figure that part out? Bravo!

No, I pointed a definition out some time back when you first started trolling here.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Tries To Walk Back Comments On Registering All Muslims In A Database


On Friday afternoon, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump appeared to partially walk back comments he had made earlier saying all American Muslims would “have to be” required to to register in a database.

On Twitter, he said (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/667777348029292544) the idea didn’t originate with him. “I didn’t suggest a database-a reporter did,” he tweeted. “We must defeat Islamic terrorism & have surveillance, including a watch list, to protect America.” He has yet to state clearly (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/us/politics/donald-trump-sets-off-a-furor-with-call-to-register-muslims-in-the-us.html) that he is opposed to the idea of a registry, however.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/21/3724743/trump-walk-back-muslim-registry/

watch list of what? 6M Muslims in USA? can't do that on pencil paper,need a database. Donny T could probably make a few $M with patches for Muslims

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Star_and_Crescent.svg/400px-Star_and_Crescent.svg.png
with "Trump for President" across the bottom.

[TheSanityAnnex]

And exactly where will the data out of Syria come from that will satisfy our much more stringent requirements?



Finding 2: While America has a proud tradition of refugee resettlement, the United Stateslacks the information needed to confidently screen refugees from the Syria conflict zone toidentify possible terrorism connections.FBI Director James Comey on the challenges of screening Syrian refugees: “We canquery our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up because wehave no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”
• Top U.S. counterterrorism officials have been warning for months that the intelligence on theground in Syria is insufficient to thoroughly vet individuals traveling to the United States fromthe conflict zone. It is difficult both to confirm that Syrian asylum-seekers are who they claim tobe and to determine they do not have ties to terrorist groups.
• Recently, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official Matthew Emrich disclosed that thegovernment does not have access to any database in Syria that can be used to check thebackgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.17 Nevertheless, it wasrevealed that over 90% of Syrian refugee applicants get approved, despite intelligence gapsand absent the ability to thoroughly check for security risks.18
• According to former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, “Our human sources [in Syria] areminimal, and we don’t have a government we can partner with, and that’s a key thing.”19
• National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen explained that “the intelligencepicture we’ve had of this [Syrian] conflict zone isn’t what we’d like it to be… you can only review[data] against what you have.”20
• Affirming these concerns, FBI Director James Comey testified in October to the Committee that“we can only query against that [data] which we have collected. So if someone has not madea ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or intentions reflected in ourdatabases, we can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show upbecause we have no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”21
• Earlier this year, FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach said that “the concern in Syria is thatwe don’t have the systems in places on the ground to collect the information… All of the datasets, the police, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from],don’t exist.”22Finding 3: Despite security enhancements to the vetting process, senior officials remainconcerned about the risks and acknowledge the possibility of ISIS infiltration into U.S.-boundSyrian refugee populations.4National Intelligence Director James Clapper stated that “we don’t obviously put it pastthe likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”
• Departments and agencies responsible for the security of the refugee vetting process haveexplained that additional screening measures have been put place to ensure that Syrianrefugees do not have ties to terrorism. However, after extensive briefings, Committee staffwere not satisfied that these measures would meaningfully mitigate the risks associated with alack of intelligence on the individuals being admitted.
• FBI Director James Comey explained that “there is risk associated with bringing anybody infrom the outside, but especially from a conflict zone like [Syria]…My concern there is that thereare certain gaps I don’t want to talk about publicly in the data available to us.”23
• DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson added, “It is true that we are not going to know a whole lot aboutthe Syrians that come forth in this process.”25 He also explained that “organizations like ISILmight like to exploit” the Syrian refugee resettlement program into the United States.24
• Similarly, James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, stated that “we don’t obviously putit past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”25
• Retired General John Allen, the president’s recent envoy on the coalition to defeat ISIL urgedsimilar caution. “We should be conscious of the potential that [ISIS] may attempt to embedagents within that [Syrian refugee] population.”27Finding 4: Surging admissions of Syrian refugees into the United States is likely to result in anincrease in federal law enforcement’s counterterrorism caseload.
• Following the rise in admissions of Iraqi refugees into the United States, it was discovered thattwo al Qaeda terrorists had managed to slip through the cracks and resettle in Kentucky in2009.28 The FBI reportedly still has “dozens” of ongoing counterterrorism cases tied to theseadmissions.29
• The Committee has been made aware that officials in multiple departments and agencies areconcerned about accelerating Syrian refugee admissions and fear that the lack of caution willresult in a range of new terrorism cases domestically.
• Given the current high-threat environment, agencies are stretched extremely thin in termsof their ability to monitor suspects and disrupt plots. This year the FBI has been forced toconfront nearly a thousand terrorism-related cases in every single U.S. state, according to FBIDirector Comey, straining law enforcement resources. “We had to surge hundreds of peoplefrom criminal cases—which are important—and move them over to the national security side,”he noted. Comey said he was unsure what the Bureau would do if there was a return to thislevel of operational tempo.3


No comment from Randomguy, ChumpDumper, boutons, Spurminator etc???

[boutons_deux]

No comment from Randomguy, ChumpDumper, boutons, Spurminator etc???

sure. You rightwingnuts with your metallic dick substitutes are fucking black-hearted chickenshits for being scared of the refugees your votes for Repugs created.

[TheSanityAnnex]

sure. You rightwingnuts with your metallic dick substitutes are fucking black-hearted chickenshits for being scared of the refugees your votes for Repugs created.
I didn't vote for any repugs that created the refugees, but excellent job addressing the issues brought up.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Comey is a right-wing hack, a legacy of the disastrous Bush admin. I don't trust anything he says.
Finding 2: While America has a proud tradition of refugee resettlement, the United Stateslacks the information needed to confidently screen refugees from the Syria conflict zone toidentify possible terrorism connections.FBI Director James Comey on the challenges of screening Syrian refugees: “We canquery our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up because wehave no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”
• Top U.S. counterterrorism officials have been warning for months that the intelligence on theground in Syria is insufficient to thoroughly vet individuals traveling to the United States fromthe conflict zone. It is difficult both to confirm that Syrian asylum-seekers are who they claim tobe and to determine they do not have ties to terrorist groups.
• Recently, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official Matthew Emrich disclosed that thegovernment does not have access to any database in Syria that can be used to check thebackgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.17 Nevertheless, it wasrevealed that over 90% of Syrian refugee applicants get approved, despite intelligence gapsand absent the ability to thoroughly check for security risks.18
• According to former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, “Our human sources [in Syria] areminimal, and we don’t have a government we can partner with, and that’s a key thing.”19
• National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen explained that “the intelligencepicture we’ve had of this [Syrian] conflict zone isn’t what we’d like it to be… you can only review[data] against what you have.”20
• Affirming these concerns, FBI Director James Comey testified in October to the Committee that“we can only query against that [data] which we have collected. So if someone has not madea ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or intentions reflected in ourdatabases, we can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show upbecause we have no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”21
• Earlier this year, FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach said that “the concern in Syria is thatwe don’t have the systems in places on the ground to collect the information… All of the datasets, the police, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from],don’t exist.”22Finding 3: Despite security enhancements to the vetting process, senior officials remainconcerned about the risks and acknowledge the possibility of ISIS infiltration into U.S.-boundSyrian refugee populations.4National Intelligence Director James Clapper stated that “we don’t obviously put it pastthe likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”
• Departments and agencies responsible for the security of the refugee vetting process haveexplained that additional screening measures have been put place to ensure that Syrianrefugees do not have ties to terrorism. However, after extensive briefings, Committee staffwere not satisfied that these measures would meaningfully mitigate the risks associated with alack of intelligence on the individuals being admitted.
• FBI Director James Comey explained that “there is risk associated with bringing anybody infrom the outside, but especially from a conflict zone like [Syria]…My concern there is that thereare certain gaps I don’t want to talk about publicly in the data available to us.”23
• DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson added, “It is true that we are not going to know a whole lot aboutthe Syrians that come forth in this process.”25 He also explained that “organizations like ISILmight like to exploit” the Syrian refugee resettlement program into the United States.24
• Similarly, James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, stated that “we don’t obviously putit past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”25
• Retired General John Allen, the president’s recent envoy on the coalition to defeat ISIL urgedsimilar caution. “We should be conscious of the potential that [ISIS] may attempt to embedagents within that [Syrian refugee] population.”27Finding 4: Surging admissions of Syrian refugees into the United States is likely to result in anincrease in federal law enforcement’s counterterrorism caseload.
• Following the rise in admissions of Iraqi refugees into the United States, it was discovered thattwo al Qaeda terrorists had managed to slip through the cracks and resettle in Kentucky in2009.28 The FBI reportedly still has “dozens” of ongoing counterterrorism cases tied to theseadmissions.29
• The Committee has been made aware that officials in multiple departments and agencies areconcerned about accelerating Syrian refugee admissions and fear that the lack of caution willresult in a range of new terrorism cases domestically.
• Given the current high-threat environment, agencies are stretched extremely thin in termsof their ability to monitor suspects and disrupt plots. This year the FBI has been forced toconfront nearly a thousand terrorism-related cases in every single U.S. state, according to FBIDirector Comey, straining law enforcement resources. “We had to surge hundreds of peoplefrom criminal cases—which are important—and move them over to the national security side,”he noted. Comey said he was unsure what the Bureau would do if there was a return to thislevel of operational tempo.3

[boutons_deux]

Above The Border, Canadians Don't Waver In Welcome For Refugees

The newly elected liberal government in Ottawa is pushing ahead with a plan to let 25,000 Syrians into Canada by the end of the year — a stark contrast to the U.S., where the past week has seen Congress and governors, mostly Republicans, opposing the arrival (http://www.npr.org/2015/11/20/456713306/governor-who-started-stampede-on-refugees-says-he-only-wants-answers) of Syrian refugees.

"We're talking about 25,000 refugees coming to Canada in a matter of weeks," says Chris Friesen, of the Immigration Services Society of British Columbia (http://www.issbc.org/). His organization alone will go from processing 900 refugees a year to maybe 3,000 — just in the next six weeks. He's scrambling to find places for all of these people to sleep.

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/21/456904171/canada-to-welcome-tens-of-thousands-of-refugees?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2047

[boutons_deux]

The Real Colbert destroys

http://www.alternet.org/media/watch-colbert-calls-out-gops-anti-christian-hypocrisy-refugees

[boutons_deux]

I didn't vote for any repugs that created the refugees, but excellent job addressing the issues brought up.

thank you so much, you who believes the propaganda and LIES from CIA and FBI, and who is obviously TOTALLY IGNORANT of current refugee/asylum seeker verification procedures that take 2 years, and that have allowed 1M into the USA in the past 10 years, while your beloved sicko, home-grown, NRA-protecting gun fellators have SLAUGHTERED 100s of Americans over the past 25 years, churches, malls, cinemas, federal buildings, kindergartens, etc.

[Spurminator]

No comment from Randomguy, ChumpDumper, boutons, Spurminator etc???

The DHS Committee is made up of Congressmen. Call me cynical, but there is no political capital to be gained by recommending in favor of taking in refugees while the risk, however minuscule, is on the minds of their voters.

I haven't seen top intelligence officials specifically recommend against the relocation of Syrian refugees. Basically, the quotes the Committee is highlighting in their analysis sum up to, "Yeah, sure, that could happen and we have to keep an eye on it." There's risk by definition every time we let someone into the country.
There is still a far greater risk of terrorists entering over a border, and more benefit for them to do so. Unlike an infiltrator in the refugee program, we would have no way of monitoring them once they get here.

[boutons_deux]

infantile, ignorant, racist, dickless gun fellators hiding behind bullet "bravery" ...

Armed Protesters Rally Outside Texas Mosque: ‘We Do Want To Show Force

A dozen of armed protesters rallied (http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/armed-protesters-set-up-outside-islamic-center-of-irving.html/) outside the Islamic Center of Irving, Texas on Saturday, calling for an end to the “Islamization of America” :lol :lol in response to rumors about Syrian refugees and Sharia court.

Protest organizer David Wright told the Dallas Morning News that the weapons were mainly for “self-protection,” :lol

but noted that “we do want to show force. We’re not sitting ducks.” :lol

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/22/3724884/mosque-armed-protests/

[TheSanityAnnex]

thank you so much, you who believes the propaganda and LIES from CIA and FBI, and who is obviously TOTALLY IGNORANT of current refugee/asylum seeker verification procedures that take 2 years
Please explain in detail from where they will be getting the data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. All the top officials have said there is no reliable database to query. Prove here that you know more than these officials.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The DHS Committee is made up of Congressmen. Call me cynical, but there is no political capital to be gained by recommending in favor of taking in refugees while the risk, however minuscule, is on the minds of their voters.

I haven't seen top intelligence officials specifically recommend against the relocation of Syrian refugees. Basically, the quotes the Committee is highlighting in their analysis sum up to, "Yeah, sure, that could happen and we have to keep an eye on it." There's risk by definition every time we let someone into the country.
There is still a far greater risk of terrorists entering over a border, and more benefit for them to do so. Unlike an infiltrator in the refugee program, we would have no way of monitoring them once they get here.
Every top official quoted said there isn't reliable data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. Why are you more confident in the process than people much more knowledgeable and qualified than you?

[boutons_deux]

Please explain in detail from where they will be getting the data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. All the top officials have said there is no reliable database to query. Prove here that you know more than these officials.

red herring, as in "database" being the ONLY way to vet refugees.

I assume these govt people, with the experience of 100Ks of interviews, know what they're doing.

Without any doubt, they're much more competent than your Repug legislators at federal or state level.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Thanks for the lol's as it's you who is completely ignorant to the process.


I assume these govt people, with the experience of 100Ks of interviews, know what they're doing.



Here are "these govt people" admitting they can not verify Syrian refugees reliably because of the lack of data and information.


Finding 2: While America has a proud tradition of refugee resettlement, the United Stateslacks the information needed to confidently screen refugees from the Syria conflict zone toidentify possible terrorism connections.FBI Director James Comey on the challenges of screening Syrian refugees: “We canquery our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up because wehave no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”
• Top U.S. counterterrorism officials have been warning for months that the intelligence on theground in Syria is insufficient to thoroughly vet individuals traveling to the United States fromthe conflict zone. It is difficult both to confirm that Syrian asylum-seekers are who they claim tobe and to determine they do not have ties to terrorist groups.
• Recently, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official Matthew Emrich disclosed that thegovernment does not have access to any database in Syria that can be used to check thebackgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.17 Nevertheless, it wasrevealed that over 90% of Syrian refugee applicants get approved, despite intelligence gapsand absent the ability to thoroughly check for security risks.18
• According to former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, “Our human sources [in Syria] areminimal, and we don’t have a government we can partner with, and that’s a key thing.”19
• National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen explained that “the intelligencepicture we’ve had of this [Syrian] conflict zone isn’t what we’d like it to be… you can only review[data] against what you have.”20
• Affirming these concerns, FBI Director James Comey testified in October to the Committee that“we can only query against that [data] which we have collected. So if someone has not madea ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or intentions reflected in ourdatabases, we can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show upbecause we have no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”21
• Earlier this year, FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach said that “the concern in Syria is thatwe don’t have the systems in places on the ground to collect the information… All of the datasets, the police, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from],don’t exist.”22Finding 3: Despite security enhancements to the vetting process, senior officials remainconcerned about the risks and acknowledge the possibility of ISIS infiltration into U.S.-boundSyrian refugee populations.4National Intelligence Director James Clapper stated that “we don’t obviously put it pastthe likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”
• Departments and agencies responsible for the security of the refugee vetting process haveexplained that additional screening measures have been put place to ensure that Syrianrefugees do not have ties to terrorism. However, after extensive briefings, Committee staffwere not satisfied that these measures would meaningfully mitigate the risks associated with alack of intelligence on the individuals being admitted.
• FBI Director James Comey explained that “there is risk associated with bringing anybody infrom the outside, but especially from a conflict zone like [Syria]…My concern there is that thereare certain gaps I don’t want to talk about publicly in the data available to us.”23
• DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson added, “It is true that we are not going to know a whole lot aboutthe Syrians that come forth in this process.”25 He also explained that “organizations like ISILmight like to exploit” the Syrian refugee resettlement program into the United States.24
• Similarly, James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, stated that “we don’t obviously putit past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees.”25
• Retired General John Allen, the president’s recent envoy on the coalition to defeat ISIL urgedsimilar caution. “We should be conscious of the potential that [ISIS] may attempt to embedagents within that [Syrian refugee] population.”27Finding 4: Surging admissions of Syrian refugees into the United States is likely to result in anincrease in federal law enforcement’s counterterrorism caseload.
• Following the rise in admissions of Iraqi refugees into the United States, it was discovered thattwo al Qaeda terrorists had managed to slip through the cracks and resettle in Kentucky in2009.28 The FBI reportedly still has “dozens” of ongoing counterterrorism cases tied to theseadmissions.29
• The Committee has been made aware that officials in multiple departments and agencies areconcerned about accelerating Syrian refugee admissions and fear that the lack of caution willresult in a range of new terrorism cases domestically.
• Given the current high-threat environment, agencies are stretched extremely thin in termsof their ability to monitor suspects and disrupt plots. This year the FBI has been forced toconfront nearly a thousand terrorism-related cases in every single U.S. state, according to FBIDirector Comey, straining law enforcement resources. “We had to surge hundreds of peoplefrom criminal cases—which are important—and move them over to the national security side,”he noted. Comey said he was unsure what the Bureau would do if there was a return to thislevel of operational tempo.3

Do I need to highlight bold and color code the important parts like you do or can you read it as is?

[Fabbs]

The Boutons Group would you like another cup? :lol ^^

[rmt]

red herring, as in "database" being the ONLY way to vet refugees.

I assume these govt people, with the experience of 100Ks of interviews, know what they're doing.

Without any doubt, they're much more competent than your Repug legislators at federal or state level.

Interviews? - that's what we're gonna rely on - oh, no - I'm not a terrorist, I don't belong to ISIS, just let me into your country. You know how easy it is to LIE.

[boutons_deux]

The "threat" of Syrian refugees MUST BE INFLATED, the FEAR MONGERING must be amplified, that's how the Nat Sec/police state justifies it $100Bs budget since they failed on 9/11 and Boston marathon.

Many of these NatSec assholes also predicted invading Iraq for oil would be a cakewalk, a slam dunk.

What you white nationalists chickenshits are doing is avoiding responsibly for the refugees that YOUR REPUGS created.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The "threat" of Syrian refugees MUST BE INFLATED, the FEAR MONGERING must be amplified, that's how the Nat Sec/police state justifies it $100Bs budget since they failed on 9/11 and Boston marathon.You continue to avoid answering direct questions.
Every top official quoted said there isn't reliable data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. Why are you more confident in the process than people much more knowledgeable and qualified than you?




What you white nationalists chickenshits are doing is avoiding responsibly for the refugees that YOUR REPUGS created.
Please explain specifically how DEMOCRATS created the Syrian refugee crisis.

[boutons_deux]

Syrian refugees in America: separating fact from fiction in the debate

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/19/syrian-refugees-in-america-fact-from-fiction-congress

[boutons_deux]

What It’s Like To Be A Syrian Refugee In America

http://cdn.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/21122140/talking2-2-816x544.jpg


http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/22/3724370/syrian-refugee-story/

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol trying to spam your way out of answering questions

[boutons_deux]

:lol trying to spam your way out of answering questions

2K Repug-created syrian refugees in USA now, how many Americans have they slaughtered?

How did the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc, etc let these terrorists in? how could they have fucked up their vetting?

[TheSanityAnnex]

2K Repug-created syrian refugees in USA now, how many Americans have they slaughtered?

How did the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc, etc let these terrorists in? how could they have fucked up their vetting?

Still avoiding my questions like the bitch you are.

Every top official quoted said there isn't reliable data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. Why are you more confident in the process than people much more knowledgeable and qualified than you?

[boutons_deux]

Still avoiding my questions like the bitch you are.

Every top official quoted said there isn't reliable data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. Why are you more confident in the process than people much more knowledgeable and qualified than you?








As I've said, US security state is self-interested instilling paranoia, fear in simpletons like yourself, bitch, to justify their $100Bs in budgeting.

And Repugs, Fox are self-interested in shitting on Obama while refusing all responsiblity for having created the Syrian refugees as part of the Repugs destabilizing the Middle East for oil.

The Repugs are ALWAYS wrong, play All Politics, All The Time. And they are of course wrong on blocking Obama, USA from accepting a minuscule number of Syrian refugees, none of whom will be in USA before 2 years from now due to the extensive vetting they receive.

[ChumpDumper]

No comment from Randomguy, ChumpDumper, boutons, Spurminator etc???Republicans are opposed to an Obama policy?

:wow

[ChumpDumper]

Still avoiding my questions like the bitch you are.

Every top official quoted said there isn't reliable data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. Why are you more confident in the process than people much more knowledgeable and qualified than you?














How did they ever clear any of the 2000 already here?

[Quetzal-X]

How did they ever clear any of the 2000 already here?


Um oh wait um ... oh yeah , thats different.

[boutons_deux]

John Oliver Destroys.

Repugs are LYING, FEAR MONGERING, HATE MONGERING, and rightwingnut Spurtalkers suck it all down as true, or at least satisfies their delicious hate, fear, paranoia, racism, xenophobia.

John Oliver rips Huckabee over refugee fear-mongering: ‘More men named Mike have killed people’


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/john-oliver-rips-huckabee-over-refugee-fear-mongering-more-men-named-mike-have-killed-people/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

no DATABASES! :lol

Deadly PEANUTS! :lol

no DATABASES! :lol

CAN'T VET NOBODY! :lol

no DATABASES! :lol

Syrian refugees comin to kill us all! :lol

no DATABASES! :lol

TSA, paranoid, gullible, xenophobic, gun fellatin nutcase, you still need an "answer"? :lol

For a historical perspective on "there's nothing new under the sun" :

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/23/the_poisonous_fear_of_donald_trump_a_recent_histor y_of_the_most_politically_destructive_emotion/

[RandomGuy]

And we take precautions everyday to avoid these types of accidents.

My point was that we decide what the costs/benefits are all the time, and that the costs in terms of risk to human lives are more than outweighed by adding to our economy. We need the jobs that immigrants bring and create.

[RandomGuy]

No comment from Randomguy, ChumpDumper, boutons, Spurminator etc???
First comment
It might help if you had not been lazy/sloppy and posted a link to the pdf excerpted. Since I am not lazy:
https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HomelandSecurityCommittee_Syrian_Refugee_Report.pd f

Second comment:
House Homeland Security Committee is controlled by Republicans. While that doesn't invalidate the findings, it sure does invite one to be a bit more skeptical of the conclusions drawn based on the evidence.

Third comment:
Most people fleeing the fighting, aren't supporters of ISIS. Supporters of ISIS tend to move to the areas ISIS controls.

Fourth comment:
About all that report says is "there is a risk". Duh. What is the scope and magnitude of the risk? The report was markedly silent on that.

Fifth comment:
Posting that says more about your gullibility than anything else.

Howzat?

[Spurminator]

Every top official quoted said there isn't reliable data to run background checks on Syrian refugees. Why are you more confident in the process than people much more knowledgeable and qualified than you?

I'm not. Those top officials never said they weren't confident enough in the process to continue allowing migration of Syrian refugees. They gave the risks, and the committee weighed them.

You're confusing a congressional committee with intelligence.

[Trill Clinton]

668840649416966144

[Winehole23]

fawning acceptance of whatever GOP pols and pundits say, plus undying suspicion of the other tribe -- and vice versa -- is most of what passes for conversation here.

[Spurminator]

Mike Rawlings is pretty great.

[boutons_deux]

Why It Takes Two Years for Syrian Refugees to Enter the U.S.


Syrians must pass many layers of security checks before being admitted to the United States, a process that can take two years or longer. In most cases, the refugees do not enter the United States until the very end. They are also subject to an additional layer of checks beyond those for refugees of other nationalities; after the Paris attacks, the House voted (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/us/politics/house-refugees-syria-iraq.html?ref=politics) to further tighten screening procedures.

Since 2011, the United States has admitted fewer than 2,000 Syrian refugees (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/21/us/where-syrian-refugees-are-in-the-united-states.html).

1.Registration with the United Nations.

2.Interview with the United Nations.

3.Refugee status granted by the United Nations.

4.Referral for resettlement in the United States.

The United Nations decides if the person fits the definition of a refugee and whether to refer the person to a country for resettlement. Only the most vulnerable are referred, accounting for fewer than 1 percent of refugees worldwide. Some people spend years waiting in refugee camps.

5.Interview with State Department contractors.

6.First background check.

7.Higher-level background check for some.

8.Another background check.

The refugee’s name is run through law enforcement and intelligence databases for terrorist or criminal history. Some go through a higher-level clearance before they can continue. A third background check was introduced in 2008 for Iraqis but has since been expanded to all refugees ages 14 to 65.

9.First fingerprint screening; photo taken.

10.Second fingerprint screening.

11.Third fingerprint screening.

The refugee’s fingerprints are screened against F.B.I. and Homeland Security databases, which contain watch list information and past immigration encounters, including if the refugee previously applied for a visa at a United States embassy. Fingerprints are also checked against those collected by the Defense Department during operations in Iraq.

12.Case reviewed at United States immigration headquarters.

13.Some cases referred for additional review.

Syrian applicants must undergo these two additional steps. Each is reviewed by a United States Citizenship and Immigration Services refugee specialist. Cases with “national security indicators” are given to the Homeland Security Department’s fraud detection unit.

14.Extensive, in-person interview with Homeland Security officer.

Most of the interviews with Syrians have been done in Jordan and Turkey.

15.Homeland Security approval is required.

If the House bill becomes law, the director of the F.B.I., the Homeland Security secretary and the director of national intelligence would be required to confirm that the applicant poses no threat.

16.Screening for contagious diseases.

17.Cultural orientation class.

18.Matched with an American resettlement agency.

19.Multi-agency security check before leaving for the United States.

Because of the long amount of time between the initial screening and departure, officials conduct a final check before the refugee leaves for the United States.

20.Final security check at an American airport.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/20/us/why-it-takes-two-years-for-syrian-refugees-to-apply-to-enter-the-united-states.html

[Th'Pusher]

My point was that we decide what the costs/benefits are all the time, and that the costs in terms of risk to human lives are more than outweighed by adding to our economy. We need the jobs that immigrants bring and create.

I think this drives at the root of the disagreement. The people who don't want to take in Syrian refugees see no benefit in resetting them in the US. It is only risk/cost so the decision is very binary.

[boutons_deux]

"risk to human lives are more than outweighed by adding to our economy."

exactly the same is true of the 11M or whatever illegal immigrants. Get them paying taxes, getting health care, getting their employers to pay their payroll taxes, and we know people at the low end, even at the middel, spend every worthless penny they make.

[Winehole23]

I think this drives at the root of the disagreement. The people who don't want to take in Syrian refugees see no benefit in resetting them in the US. It is only risk/cost so the decision is very binary.we can have secure borders, or be a commercially great nation. pick one.

[boutons_deux]

As with Iraqi refugess, many of the Syrians are from the professional and business classes, unlike the MX, etc destitute immigrants

[RandomGuy]

I think this drives at the root of the disagreement. The people who don't want to take in Syrian refugees see no benefit in resetting them in the US. It is only risk/cost so the decision is very binary.

Eyup. For sociopaths, who care little for other humans the benefits are indeed hard to fathom. That is the crux of the problem.

[TheSanityAnnex]

First comment
It might help if you had not been lazy/sloppy and posted a link to the pdf excerpted. Since I am not lazy:
https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HomelandSecurityCommittee_Syrian_Refugee_Report.pd f

The link was already posted in this thread.



Second comment:
House Homeland Security Committee is controlled by Republicans. While that doesn't invalidate the findings, it sure does invite one to be a bit more skeptical of the conclusions drawn based on the evidence. I was more interested in the quotes from government security officials citing the lack of data on Syrians than the committee's findings


Third comment:
Most people fleeing the fighting, aren't supporters of ISIS. Supporters of ISIS tend to move to the areas ISIS controls.Most is not all.


Fourth comment:
About all that report says is "there is a risk". Duh. What is the scope and magnitude of the risk? The report was markedly silent on that. Same as 2.


Fifth comment:
Posting that says more about your gullibility than anything else. I've been asking those who are confident in the screening process where the information to cross check Syrian refugees would be coming from and so far have not gotten a good answer.


Howzat?:bobo

[TheSanityAnnex]

Eyup. For sociopaths, who care little for other humans the benefits are indeed hard to fathom. That is the crux of the problem.

people who want a little more scrutiny on a screening process that is admittedly flawed are now sociopaths....okay

[Splits]

people who want a little more scrutiny on a screening process that is admittedly flawed are now sociopaths....okay

Except your position is not "a little more scrutiny". From what I can deduce, it is "unless we have a risk-free process, no refugees. And since it is impossible to have a risk-free process, no refugees."

[RandomGuy]

people who want a little more scrutiny on a screening process that is admittedly flawed are now sociopaths....okay

I don't mind scrutiny and some sane screening process. That isn't what the GOP and the nutters want though. They want an ironclad guarantee that is neither feasible, nor desirable, given the scope of the problem.

For no few of the people talking about this that I have seen, they just don't want to mooslims, no how, no way. The screening is merely a thin cover for that.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't mind scrutiny and some sane screening process. That isn't what the GOP and the nutters want though. They want an ironclad guarantee that is neither feasible, nor desirable, given the scope of the problem.

For no few of the people talking about this that I have seen, they just don't want to mooslims, no how, no way. The screening is merely a thin cover for that.

It is not just the GOP that are asking for this, many of your fellow Democrats are asking for the same.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Except your position is not "a little more scrutiny". From what I can deduce, it is "unless we have a risk-free process, no refugees. And since it is impossible to have a risk-free process, no refugees."

Incorrect on my position.

[DarrinS]

It is not just the GOP that are asking for this, many of your fellow Democrats are asking for the same.

[boutons_deux]

little more scrutiny

:lol

[Splits]

Why It Takes Two Years for Syrian Refugees to Enter the U.S.


Syrians must pass many layers of security checks before being admitted to the United States, a process that can take two years or longer. In most cases, the refugees do not enter the United States until the very end. They are also subject to an additional layer of checks beyond those for refugees of other nationalities; after the Paris attacks, the House voted (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/us/politics/house-refugees-syria-iraq.html?ref=politics) to further tighten screening procedures.

Since 2011, the United States has admitted fewer than 2,000 Syrian refugees (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/21/us/where-syrian-refugees-are-in-the-united-states.html).

1.Registration with the United Nations.

2.Interview with the United Nations.

3.Refugee status granted by the United Nations.

4.Referral for resettlement in the United States.

The United Nations decides if the person fits the definition of a refugee and whether to refer the person to a country for resettlement. Only the most vulnerable are referred, accounting for fewer than 1 percent of refugees worldwide. Some people spend years waiting in refugee camps.

5.Interview with State Department contractors.

6.First background check.

7.Higher-level background check for some.

8.Another background check.

The refugee’s name is run through law enforcement and intelligence databases for terrorist or criminal history. Some go through a higher-level clearance before they can continue. A third background check was introduced in 2008 for Iraqis but has since been expanded to all refugees ages 14 to 65.

9.First fingerprint screening; photo taken.

10.Second fingerprint screening.

11.Third fingerprint screening.

The refugee’s fingerprints are screened against F.B.I. and Homeland Security databases, which contain watch list information and past immigration encounters, including if the refugee previously applied for a visa at a United States embassy. Fingerprints are also checked against those collected by the Defense Department during operations in Iraq.

12.Case reviewed at United States immigration headquarters.

13.Some cases referred for additional review.

Syrian applicants must undergo these two additional steps. Each is reviewed by a United States Citizenship and Immigration Services refugee specialist. Cases with “national security indicators” are given to the Homeland Security Department’s fraud detection unit.

14.Extensive, in-person interview with Homeland Security officer.

Most of the interviews with Syrians have been done in Jordan and Turkey.

15.Homeland Security approval is required.

If the House bill becomes law, the director of the F.B.I., the Homeland Security secretary and the director of national intelligence would be required to confirm that the applicant poses no threat.

16.Screening for contagious diseases.

17.Cultural orientation class.

18.Matched with an American resettlement agency.

19.Multi-agency security check before leaving for the United States.

Because of the long amount of time between the initial screening and departure, officials conduct a final check before the refugee leaves for the United States.

20.Final security check at an American airport.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/20/us/why-it-takes-two-years-for-syrian-refugees-to-apply-to-enter-the-united-states.html






Incorrect on my position.

Ok. So what "little more scrutiny" should be applied, in addition to the above? That seems pretty thorough, basically about as good as we can do.

[Splits]

It is not just the GOP that are asking for this, many of your fellow Democrats are asking for the same.

He did say "and the nutters". There are plenty of nutters on the Dem side. Fear-mongering by the Repugs and Dems cowering in the corner like little girls is a time-honored tradition in modern American politics.

[Spurminator]

Democrats renew call to bar terror-list suspects from buying guns amid Paris attack worries

By ALAN FRAM and MICHAEL BIESECKER, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional Democrats are trying to build support for an effort to bar gun purchases by terror suspects, hoping to take advantage of the same public anxieties about security that gave Republicans a ringing House victory.

The Democratic push seems likely to fall victim to opposition from the National Rifle Association and congressional gun-rights backers, chiefly Republicans, who have smothered firearms curbs for years. If the Republicans who control

Congress block votes on the proposal, Democrats hope to profit politically by winning sympathy from angry voters.

"By leaving this terrorist loophole open, Republicans are leaving every community in America vulnerable to attacks by terrorists armed with assault rifles and explosives purchased legally, in broad daylight," Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Friday in a written statement.

The bill by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., would have the attorney general compile names of known and suspected terrorists, likely drawing from huge lists the government already keeps. Federally licensed gun dealers would be barred from selling firearms to people on that list if government officials believed they planned to use the weapons for terrorism.

Gun dealers are prohibited from selling to 10 categories of people, including many convicted criminals or those with severe mentally illness.

But people appearing on the government's terror watch lists — including those kept off from airlines — are not automatically disqualified from buying weapons from gun dealers. The FBI is notified when a background check for the purchase of firearms or explosives generates a match with the watch list, and agents often use that information to step up surveillance on suspects.

By law, people can try persuading the Justice Department to remove their names from terror lists or can file lawsuits challenging their inclusion. The lists are overwhelmingly composed of foreigners.

Between 2004 and 2014, people on one terror watch list underwent background checks to buy guns 2,233 times and were allowed to make the purchase 91 percent of the time, according to a March report by the Government Accountability Office, an investigative agency of Congress.

NRA spokeswoman Jennifer Baker noted that there have been numerous instances of innocent people mistakenly added to terror lists. She also accused Democrats of trying to take advantage of heightened public alarm following last week's attacks in Paris, which claimed at least 130 lives and for which the Islamic State, which has also threatened the U.S., has claimed responsibility.

"It is appalling that anti-gun politicians are exploiting the Paris terrorist attacks to push their gun-control agenda and distract from President Obama's failed foreign policy," Baker said.

Feinstein's measure echoes legislation that the late Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposed repeatedly over the last decade and that Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has long pushed. None of those measures has ever received a vote.
Feinstein introduced her bill in February. But last week's mass killings in Paris have injected new life into terrorism and public safety as top-tier political issues.

Just Thursday, Republicans took advantage of voters' security jitters and muscled legislation through the House preventing Syrian and Iraqi refugees from entering the U.S. until the administration tightens restrictions on their entry. Forty-seven Democrats voted for the bill, ignoring a veto threat by President Barack Obama, who said the current screening system is strong and accused Republicans of playing on panicked voters.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., did not respond directly when asked Thursday if he favored barring people on terror lists from buying guns. "We are just beginning this process of reassessing all of our security stances," he said.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/11/21/democrats-push-to-prevent-gun-sales-to-terror-list-suspects

[boutons_deux]

Democrats renew call to bar terror-list suspects from buying guns amid Paris attack worries



NRA/gun industry will kill this pronto

[Spurminator]

lol politics

[TheSanityAnnex]

Ok. So what "little more scrutiny" should be applied, in addition to the above? That seems pretty thorough, basically about as good as we can do.

From your own quote

"If the House bill becomes law, the director of the F.B.I., the Homeland Security secretary and the director of national intelligence would be required to confirm that the applicant poses no threat."

[Splits]

From your own quote

"If the House bill becomes law, the director of the F.B.I., the Homeland Security secretary and the director of national intelligence would be required to confirm that the applicant poses no threat."

Which is impossible. Hence, your position is "unless we have a risk-free process, no refugees. And since it is impossible to have a risk-free process, no refugees."

[TheSanityAnnex]

Democrats renew call to bar terror-list suspects from buying guns amid Paris attack worries

By ALAN FRAM and MICHAEL BIESECKER, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional Democrats are trying to build support for an effort to bar gun purchases by terror suspects, hoping to take advantage of the same public anxieties about security that gave Republicans a ringing House victory.

The Democratic push seems likely to fall victim to opposition from the National Rifle Association and congressional gun-rights backers, chiefly Republicans, who have smothered firearms curbs for years. If the Republicans who control

Congress block votes on the proposal, Democrats hope to profit politically by winning sympathy from angry voters.

"By leaving this terrorist loophole open, Republicans are leaving every community in America vulnerable to attacks by terrorists armed with assault rifles and explosives purchased legally, in broad daylight," Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Friday in a written statement.

The bill by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., would have the attorney general compile names of known and suspected terrorists, likely drawing from huge lists the government already keeps. Federally licensed gun dealers would be barred from selling firearms to people on that list if government officials believed they planned to use the weapons for terrorism.

Gun dealers are prohibited from selling to 10 categories of people, including many convicted criminals or those with severe mentally illness.

But people appearing on the government's terror watch lists — including those kept off from airlines — are not automatically disqualified from buying weapons from gun dealers. The FBI is notified when a background check for the purchase of firearms or explosives generates a match with the watch list, and agents often use that information to step up surveillance on suspects.

By law, people can try persuading the Justice Department to remove their names from terror lists or can file lawsuits challenging their inclusion. The lists are overwhelmingly composed of foreigners.

Between 2004 and 2014, people on one terror watch list underwent background checks to buy guns 2,233 times and were allowed to make the purchase 91 percent of the time, according to a March report by the Government Accountability Office, an investigative agency of Congress.

NRA spokeswoman Jennifer Baker noted that there have been numerous instances of innocent people mistakenly added to terror lists. She also accused Democrats of trying to take advantage of heightened public alarm following last week's attacks in Paris, which claimed at least 130 lives and for which the Islamic State, which has also threatened the U.S., has claimed responsibility.

"It is appalling that anti-gun politicians are exploiting the Paris terrorist attacks to push their gun-control agenda and distract from President Obama's failed foreign policy," Baker said.

Feinstein's measure echoes legislation that the late Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposed repeatedly over the last decade and that Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has long pushed. None of those measures has ever received a vote.
Feinstein introduced her bill in February. But last week's mass killings in Paris have injected new life into terrorism and public safety as top-tier political issues.

Just Thursday, Republicans took advantage of voters' security jitters and muscled legislation through the House preventing Syrian and Iraqi refugees from entering the U.S. until the administration tightens restrictions on their entry. Forty-seven Democrats voted for the bill, ignoring a veto threat by President Barack Obama, who said the current screening system is strong and accused Republicans of playing on panicked voters.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., did not respond directly when asked Thursday if he favored barring people on terror lists from buying guns. "We are just beginning this process of reassessing all of our security stances," he said.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/11/21/democrats-push-to-prevent-gun-sales-to-terror-list-suspects






Until they remove the 500,000 people from the list that have no ties to any know terrorist group this has no chance of passing.

https://www.aclu.org/terror-watch-list-counter-million-plus

[Spurminator]

Until they remove the 500,000 people from the list that have no ties to any know terrorist group this has no chance of passing.

https://www.aclu.org/terror-watch-list-counter-million-plus

The number is actually 280,000 (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140805/11295828116/nearly-40-those-governments-terrorist-watchlist-have-no-affiliation-with-recognized-terrorism-groups.shtml).

... and can we really know for sure they're not linked to terrorism? They're on the Terror Watch List for a reason.

Seems to me if we're too concerned to let individuals who have been vetted for 18-24 months into the country because of holes in our ability to do background checks on them, we should be equally if not more concerned about putting deadly weapons in the hands of people who were flagged due to things we actually know about them.

Wonder what the congressmen on the DHS Committee think.

[boutons_deux]

concerned about putting deadly weapons in the hands of people who were flagged due to things we actually know about them.

ANYBODY in the USA can get guns, high capacity guns, if they try hard enough. Being on a watch list doesn't stop Americans, or refugees, or Bad Guys from getting guns.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The number is actually 280,000 (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140805/11295828116/nearly-40-those-governments-terrorist-watchlist-have-no-affiliation-with-recognized-terrorism-groups.shtml).

... and can we really know for sure they're not linked to terrorism? They're on the Terror Watch List for a reason.

Seems to me if we're too concerned to let individuals who have been vetted for 18-24 months into the country because of holes in our ability to do background checks on them, we should be equally if not more concerned about putting deadly weapons in the hands of people who were flagged due to things we actually know about them.

Wonder what the congressmen on the DHS Committee think.

https://theintercept.com/2014/08/05/watch-commander/

you were correct on the number I thought it was more for some reason

[Spurminator]

I would actually rather a potential terrorist purchase a gun legally so they can be more easily tracked after that purchase, vs. obtaining the weapon on the black market where we may have limited info.

Same way I would rather they pass through our refugee program than come across the border.

[Splits]

668879597287657473

[TheSanityAnnex]

Democrats renew call to bar terror-list suspects from buying guns amid Paris attack worries

By ALAN FRAM and MICHAEL BIESECKER, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional Democrats are trying to build support for an effort to bar gun purchases by terror suspects, hoping to take advantage of the same public anxieties about security that gave Republicans a ringing House victory.

The Democratic push seems likely to fall victim to opposition from the National Rifle Association and congressional gun-rights backers, chiefly Republicans, who have smothered firearms curbs for years. If the Republicans who control

Congress block votes on the proposal, Democrats hope to profit politically by winning sympathy from angry voters.

"By leaving this terrorist loophole open, Republicans are leaving every community in America vulnerable to attacks by terrorists armed with assault rifles and explosives purchased legally, in broad daylight," Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Friday in a written statement.

The bill by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., would have the attorney general compile names of known and suspected terrorists, likely drawing from huge lists the government already keeps. Federally licensed gun dealers would be barred from selling firearms to people on that list if government officials believed they planned to use the weapons for terrorism.

Gun dealers are prohibited from selling to 10 categories of people, including many convicted criminals or those with severe mentally illness.

But people appearing on the government's terror watch lists — including those kept off from airlines — are not automatically disqualified from buying weapons from gun dealers. The FBI is notified when a background check for the purchase of firearms or explosives generates a match with the watch list, and agents often use that information to step up surveillance on suspects.

By law, people can try persuading the Justice Department to remove their names from terror lists or can file lawsuits challenging their inclusion. The lists are overwhelmingly composed of foreigners.

Between 2004 and 2014, people on one terror watch list underwent background checks to buy guns 2,233 times and were allowed to make the purchase 91 percent of the time, according to a March report by the Government Accountability Office, an investigative agency of Congress.

NRA spokeswoman Jennifer Baker noted that there have been numerous instances of innocent people mistakenly added to terror lists. She also accused Democrats of trying to take advantage of heightened public alarm following last week's attacks in Paris, which claimed at least 130 lives and for which the Islamic State, which has also threatened the U.S., has claimed responsibility.

"It is appalling that anti-gun politicians are exploiting the Paris terrorist attacks to push their gun-control agenda and distract from President Obama's failed foreign policy," Baker said.

Feinstein's measure echoes legislation that the late Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposed repeatedly over the last decade and that Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has long pushed. None of those measures has ever received a vote.
Feinstein introduced her bill in February. But last week's mass killings in Paris have injected new life into terrorism and public safety as top-tier political issues.

Just Thursday, Republicans took advantage of voters' security jitters and muscled legislation through the House preventing Syrian and Iraqi refugees from entering the U.S. until the administration tightens restrictions on their entry. Forty-seven Democrats voted for the bill, ignoring a veto threat by President Barack Obama, who said the current screening system is strong and accused Republicans of playing on panicked voters.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., did not respond directly when asked Thursday if he favored barring people on terror lists from buying guns. "We are just beginning this process of reassessing all of our security stances," he said.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/11/21/democrats-push-to-prevent-gun-sales-to-terror-list-suspects





:lol Huffington Post

2014 terror list bad
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5617599

2015 terror list good
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/564fec70e4b0258edb31b652

[RandomGuy]

He did say "and the nutters". There are plenty of nutters on the Dem side. Fear-mongering by the Repugs and Dems cowering in the corner like little girls is a time-honored tradition in modern American politics.

Eyup. Xenophobia is an easy card to play, and fear is always politically expedient. Can't really fault Goering's logic, on that, sadly.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol MSNBC's poster boy for Islamaphobia arrested in Turkey as part of ISIS cell :lol

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2015/11/24/msnbcs-no-fly-list-is-islamophobia-poster-boy-arrested-in-turkey-as-part-of-isis-cell

[Winehole23]

So are there any refugees who have become terrorists since finding a home in the U.S.? Yes — three (http://www.migrationpolicy.org/news/us-record-shows-refugees-are-not-threat).


That’s out of the 784,000 refugees who have been resettled in the U.S. since 9/11. Kathleen Newland, also of the MPI, pointed this out (http://www.migrationpolicy.org/news/us-record-shows-refugees-are-not-threat) earlier in the fall, adding that it was “worth noting two were not planning an attack in the United States and the plans of the third were barely credible.” History doesn’t seem to bear out that refugees are more likely to be disaffected enough by life in the U.S. to lash out through terrorism.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-refugees-make-it-in-america/

[Winehole23]

http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php

[boutons_deux]

Texas gun nuts who terrorized mosque publish names and addresses of Muslim families

http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/BAIR-member-stalks-Irving-Muslim-woman-via-Twitter-800x430.jpg

The Bureau of American-Islamic Relations (BAIR) — an anti-Muslim group that used assault rifles and other weapons to intimidate and threaten members of an Irving, Texas mosque on Sunday — has stepped up its campaign of harassment by publishing the names and contact information of the city’s Muslim families and their so-called “sympathizers.”

The Dallas Morning News reported (http://irvingblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/group-that-brought-guns-to-irving-mosque-publishes-muslims-home-addresses.html/) that David Wright III — the man who organized Sunday’s armed demonstration (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/armed-protesters-stalk-peaceful-muslims-at-texas-mosque-we-want-to-show-force/) at the Irving Islamic Center — published the names and addresses in a Facebook post.

“THE NAME AND ADDRESS OF EVERY MUSLIM AND MUSLIM SYMPATHIZER THAT STOOD UP FOR SHARIA SHARIA TRIBUNALS IN IRVING TX. LISTED BELOW,” wrote Wright on BAIR’s Facebook page.

Wright then published the names of every Irving resident and speaker who spoke out against a state law (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/09/16/the-history-of-anti-islam-controversy-in-ahmed-mohameds-texas-city/) aimed at limiting the influence of Muslims on local law and customs. The law was sparked by a false rumor that Irving’s Islamic residents were convening a Sharia Law court inside the Islamic Center.

Wright has said that he and the members of his group have only armed themselves out of self-defense. Muslims intend to kill Irving’s mayor, Wright says, which the Morning News said the newspaper “has seen no evidence of.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/texas-gun-nuts-who-terrorized-mosque-publish-names-and-addresses-of-muslim-families/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[MultiTroll]

(CNN)A German special forces unit arrested two men in a Berlin raid Thursday who are accused of plotting "a significant criminal act against state security," according to Berlin authorities.

The two men were arrested in the Britz section of the German capital after a search was conducted on an Islamic cultural center, police said. German newspaper Der Tagesspeigel reports that one of them was Tunisian and the other Syrian.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/26/europe/germany-berlin-terror-plot-arrests/index.html

[Nbadan]

A's pitcher Sean Doolittle hosts 17 Syrian refugee families for Thanksgiving
By Steve Petrella steve_petrella
Published on Nov. 26, 2015


Great beard, better guy. That's Sean Doolittle.

The Athletics reliever and his girlfriend hosted 17 Syrian refugee families for a Thanksgiving meal in Chicago on Wednesday night. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel also attended.

"Chicago is so lucky to have 17 Syrian refugee families now officially calling it home," Eireann Dolan, Doolittle's girlfriend, wrote on Instagram. "We thought we'd officially welcome them with one of our greatest American traditions, Thanksgiving. Thank you to Mayor Emanuel and Alderman Burke for joining the party! If you'd like to sponsor a refugee family in Chicago, link is in my bio #refugeeswelcome."

more

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb-news/4662144-sean-doolittle-athletics-syrian-refugees-family-chicago-mayor-17

[MultiTroll]

A's pitcher Sean Doolittle AND HIS GIRLFRIEND hosts 17 Syrian refugee families for Thanksgiving
Aha! Not the first time his girlfriend Eireann Dolan has been involved in the funding of groups undermining the very fabric of our society.
She has funneled money to this organization:
Frameline, a distributor of award-winning lesbian and gay films and videos to educational and community groups.
Along with aiding and abetting a fundraiser held by the Oakland As.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2015/04/09/sean-doolittles-girlfriend-eireann-dolan-supports-gay-fans/25503971/

[Winehole23]

The Roman Catholic bishops of Texas said Wednesday that Catholic refugee agencies will not comply with a state directive that they stop resettling Syrians in Texas, even as state officials warned at least one local agency that failure to comply could result in being terminated from the state’s resettlement program.

[boutons_deux]

Racist, xenophobic slave state Texas playing read hard ball to pander to the dickless gun fellators, Christian Taliban, Islamophobes, racists, nativists, xenophobes that comprise 100% of the TX Repug base. A fucking nasty state all around.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Dat vetting process doe

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html

[ChumpDumper]

So you're scared of the Syrian refugees?

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

This is a professor at the University of Missouri. He saw a 14 year old relative of his out walking around without her face and hair covered up completely so he decided to drag her down a flight of stairs and beat her in front of everybody. This is one of the brightest and best Islam
has to offer, is there any more proof needed to show that their culture is completely incompatible with ours?
http://i.imgur.com/Iu2XYP9.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Is this guy a Syrian refugee?

lol tangent

[boutons_deux]

Texas threatens funding cut to relief agency over resettling Syrians in state

A Dallas relief agency faces a Monday deadline to respond to Texas state officials who have threatened to cut funding to the nonprofit organization if it tries to resettle Syrian refugees in the state.

The Texas Health and Human Services Commission warned the Dallas office of the International Rescue Committee in a letter last week that it would be in violation of its contract with the state if it did not comply with Governor Greg Abbott’s order to stop accepting Syrian refugees.

Abbott, a Republican, is concerned that U.S. security screening is ineffective and could allow in people with ties to terrorism, the letter said.

International Rescue Committee officials in Texas were not immediately available for comment.

"We have been unable to achieve cooperation with your agency,” Executive Commissioner Chris Traylor wrote in the letter. "Specifically, your agency insists on resettling certain refugees from Syria in the near future.”

Texas leads the United States in resettling Syrian refugees from their country's four-year civil war. But it became one of the first of more than 30 U.S. states to say they would refuse to accept Syrian refugees in statements following the deadly Paris attacks this month.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/30/us-texas-syrians-idUSKBN0TJ2TC20151130?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews

Fuck TX Repugs and fuck you Texians who vote for them.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

International Rescue Committee




Thanks for posting this Boutons the great. I had my suspicions about who was bringing Muslim terrorists to Texas. There's only one group I could think of thats evil enough to do it and look what we have here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Rescue_Committee

President David Miliband

Who is David Miliband? Hes the brother of Ed Miliband the former head of the Marxist party of England

A little background on the Milibands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miliband

Born in London, Miliband is the elder son of Jewish immigrants, Belgian-born Marxist sociologist Ralph Miliband and Marion Kozak from Poland.

http://i.imgur.com/2EIlbQp.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

So you're really, really afraid of Syrian refugees.

[Winehole23]

And Jews.

[rmt]

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/262316-isis-has-targeted-refugee-program-to-enter-us-chairman-says

"The NCTC (National Counterterrorism Center) has identified “individuals with ties to terrorist groups in Syria attempting to gain entry to the U.S. through the U.S. refugee program,” the intelligence agency told McCaul in a letter.

[Ball Buster]

And Jews.

Which makes no sense because the Syrians pretty much hate the Jews as much as anybody.

[boutons_deux]

History of Muslims in USA

Islam In America
http://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/islam-in-america/

iow, you rightwingnut Repugs, having fucked up the Middle East for oil and directly causing AQI/ISIS to arise, are being demagagued, as always, by Repug talking points.

[boutons_deux]

Muslim Anti-Radicalism Activist Detained in Texas Because Airline Passengers Thought He Looked Scary

http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/muslim_1.png

A Muslim anti-radicalization advocate was detained by authorities after landing at Houston’s Hobby Airport because other passengers on his flight from Newark thought he looked suspicious.

According to ABC News (http://abc13.com/news/muslim-man-on-houston-bound-flight-says-he-was-unfairly-detained/1113558/), Dr. Bilal Rana is an anesthesiologist who was returning home to Houston after a conference in New Jersey when he was taken into custody and interrogated.

Rana — who is the president of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association, a youth group that seeks to prevent Muslim teens from embracing radicalism — said that he believes another passenger profiled him based on his appearance and acted out of fear. Flight crew deactivated the wireless Internet on his flight from Newark and he was greeted by the FBI on landing.

After an hours-long ordeal — which took place on Nov. 15 — Rana wrote about his experience (http://time.com/4135397/muslim-flight-detained/) for Time magazine that told readers “I’m not your enemy. I’m your biggest ally.”

“To those who saw me as a threat,” he wrote:


“I hope you never know what it feels like to have a group of police officers single you out. I hope you never know what it is like to be frisked while standing in front of a plane full of passengers. I hope you never suffer the embarrassment of watching mothers hold their children tightly as you walk by them.

I hope you never feel the humiliation of having your belongings confiscated out of your hands, or being surrounded by cops who refer to you as ‘the subject’ on their walkie talkies. I hope you never have to, for the first time in your life, sit in the back of a police car.

I hope you get a chance to explain who you are before you are judged. I’m not your enemy. I’m your biggest ally.”


The 36-year-old father of five told ABC (http://abc13.com/news/muslim-man-on-houston-bound-flight-says-he-was-unfairly-detained/1113558/) that the run-in with authorities embarrassed and humiliated him more than it angered him.

“It was embarrassing, very embarrassing that I could be assumed to be that type of person. It hurts, but I don’t profess to be a victim. I understand law enforcement has to do their job and I respect and support them. I always have,” he said.

“I recognize this as an opportunity to any Muslims out there, I’d want them to be patient, be graceful, rise above it,” he urged.

“My intention is to try to bridge this gulf between Muslims and non-Muslims. We need to talk to each other,” he concluded.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/muslim-anti-radicalism-activist-detained-texas-because-airline-passengers-thought-he

Thanks, Repugs, keep inflaming TX and other dumbfucks. It really really helps move America forward.

[MultiTroll]

Passport linked to terrorist complicates Syrian refugee crisis
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-passports/

Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

[TheSanityAnnex]

No wonder everyone has so much faith in the screening process.

Kelli Ann Burriesci, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Screening Coordination with the Department of Homeland Security :lol
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=119_1449777633

[boutons_deux]

Americans poll 2-1 against blocking Muslims

Naturally, 70% of Repugs favor blocking.

Anybody who says there is no difference between Dems and Repugs is probably a Repug saying "Dems are just as horrible as us Repugs"

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No wonder everyone has so much faith in the screening process.

Kelli Ann Burriesci, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Screening Coordination with the Department of Homeland Security :lol
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=119_1449777633
Wow. Facepalm.

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Americans poll 2-1 against blocking Muslims
Is this poll from Muslim.com or where?

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HONY has a slide show of Repugs' refugees, suicidal killers every one of them, talking about their plights

https://www.facebook.com/humansofnewyork/photos/a.102107073196735.4429.102099916530784/1144337492307016/?type=3&theater

[Splits]

HONY has a slide show of Repugs' refugees, suicidal killers every one of them, talking about their plights

https://www.facebook.com/humansofnewyork/photos/a.102107073196735.4429.102099916530784/1144337492307016/?type=3&theater

Yeah, Brandon the owner of that site visited Turkey and Jordan and interviewed a bunch of families who have been approved for transfer. He said basically every single family approved either has a member with a PhD or people severely disabled from the war. http://www.humansofnewyork.com/

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

people severely disabled from the war. http://www.humansofnewyork.com/

Well sure sounds like they can contribute, might as well sign them up for Cadillac health care plans on our dime while we're at it

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She passed three background checks by American immigration officials as she moved to the United States from Pakistan. None uncovered what Ms. Malik had made little effort to hide — that she talked openly on social media about her views on violent jihad.

She said she supported it. And she said she wanted to be a part of it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/us/san-bernardino-attacks-us-visa-process-tashfeen-maliks-remarks-on-social-media-about-jihad-were-missed.html?_r=0

[Winehole23]

Throughout the seven months it took Samer and his family to make their way from Syria (http://www.theguardian.com/world/syria) to the United States, he told himself that the risk and cost would be worth it they could swap their war-ravaged homeland for what he believed was a “land of opportunity, hope and peace”.


But the family’s arrival in the US has proved more stressful than the journey: days after they reached Texas (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/texas) they found themselves the unwitting subject of a national debate over potential terrorist infiltration.


Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson said that Samer, his wife and two sons – aged two and five – could be the embodiment of America’s “worst nightmare”. Donald Trump speculated that the family, who are Christian, could be members of Islamic State.


A month later, Samer and his family are still being held in indefinitely in separate detention centres – and his belief in America as a beacon for asylum seekers is dimming by the day.


“My very small children are in prison,” said Samer, speaking by phone from an immigration detention centre near San Antonio. “I had no idea that the political climate was so against Syrian refugees. If I had known that it was so terrible here I wouldn’t have brought my family.”





In his first press interview, Samer said he was struggling to reconcile his perception of the US as a Christian nation of immigrants with his own predicament. Now he fears his family will not be released and reunited by Christmas.
“I definitely thought America would accept me,” said Samer, who has been identified by a pseudonym to protect family member.


Speaking through an interpreter, he appeared mystified by the idea that he could be considered a threat. “We are the ones running away from war,” he told the Guardian.http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/17/christian-syrian-refugee-i-thought-america-would-accept-me?CMP=fb_us

[MultiTroll]

She passed three background checks by American immigration officials as she moved to the United States from Pakistan. None uncovered what Ms. Malik had made little effort to hide — that she talked openly on social media about her views on violent jihad.

She said she supported it. And she said she wanted to be a part of it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/us/san-bernardino-attacks-us-visa-process-tashfeen-maliks-remarks-on-social-media-about-jihad-were-missed.html?_r=0
I thought it's been established she posted under a pseudonym profile.
I'm all for forcing Zuckerberg etc to join in the uncovering of sneaky jihad internet stuff.

[Winehole23]

FBI says no:



Syed Rizwan Farook (http://www.latimes.com/topic/crime-law-justice/syed-rizwan-farook-PEOCVC00410-topic.html) and his wife Tashfeen Malik (http://www.latimes.com/topic/crime-law-justice/tashfeen-malik-PEOCVC00411-topic.html) did not make open posts on social media regarding radical Islamic jihad or martyrdom before the Dec. 2 terror attack (http://www.latimes.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crime/shootings/san-bernardino-terror-attack-EVCAL00077-topic.html) in San Bernardino, FBI (http://www.latimes.com/topic/crime-law-justice/fbi-ORGOV000008-topic.html) Director James B. Comey said Wednesday, attempting to knock down criticism that U.S. officials had missed the growing radicalism of the couple and could have prevented her from moving to the U.S. last year.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-ln-fbi-san-bernardino-social-media-20151216-story.html

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Ok not all Muslim refugees are bad :lol Sweden yes!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3364353/North-African-teenager-stabs-Swedish-transvestite-death-hangs-SNAKE-neck-going-home-discovering-not-woman-wig-slipped.html

http://i.imgur.com/k7NHkyp.jpg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

so she used messenger?

For me its simple go back to 1975 and the beginning before the Olympics and all the planes and all that started. 40 years. Total up all the people killed by foreign nationals on US soil including 9/11 and it comes out to ~4500.

450 people per year in a country of 350+m. Even if the refugees double that I still won't be scared. I'll still go to shows, games, and concerts.

I don't watch TV except to DVR games and I don't listen to the radio. It's the campaign really, the GOP cannot talk about the economy or jobs because despite their hand wringing over gas prices those have all done very well this year.

Only thing to drum people up is make them scared and rattle some sabers.

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slave state rural Christian hater sheeple

Va. county shuts down schools after backlash to lesson on Islam

VERONA, VA. — Security concerns have prompted officials in a Virginia county to close schools after parental objections to a world geography lesson that included Islam. :lol

Augusta County School Board President Eric Bond announced Thursday that schools would be closed Friday.

Bond says the decision was made "out of an abundance of caution" after consulting with law enforcement. He says there was no specific threat to students but did not elaborate on the safety concerns.

Media outlets report that a Riverheads High School teacher last week asked students to complete an assignment that included practicing calligraphy and writing a Muslim statement of faith. Students weren't asked to translate the statement or recite it.

Bond says that the school district received "voluminous" phone calls and emails about the lesson.

The county canceled extracurricular activities through the weekend.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/1217/Va.-county-shuts-down-schools-after-backlash-to-lesson-on-Islam

"abundance of caution" about whom? Muslim terrorists? or Christian terrorists?

[angrydude]

Because some parents are dumbasses, that totally means it's in the interest of the US govt to allow syrian refugees into the country.

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Because some parents are dumbasses, that totally means it's in the interest of the US govt to allow syrian refugees into the country.

Repugs created the tidal wave of Middle East refugees, but they, deeply, widely unAmerican, don't want anything to do with THEIR disastrous results.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Repugs created the tidal wave of Middle East refugees, but they, deeply, widel unAmerican, don't want anything to do with THEIR disastrous results.

Who created the tidal wave of Syrian refugees?

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Who created the tidal wave of Syrian refugees?

Syrian rebels following the example of Arab spring which was sparked by Repugs invading Iraq, which gave rise to AQI, which gave rise to ISIS, commanded by Saddam's Sunni generals fired by Repug asshole Bremer.

Repugs' invasion of Iraq leads directly to ISIS Bataclan, San Bernardino, and Ms of asylum seekers, refugees from the Syrian civil war and ISIS.

[Winehole23]

“
From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia...could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide.”

― Abraham Lincoln

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I love how the same people that claim to be defenders of the constitution take the religious biasing solution to be valid.

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"if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author"

... although the FF were aware of the risks of business and wealthy screwing the American experiment, I doubt that Abe had any idea of how evil, destructive, corrupt, corrupting, democracy-destroying, how "suiciding" for America the shitstorm of BigCorp/1% would be.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

"if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author"

... although the FF were aware of the risks of business and wealthy screwing the American experiment, I doubt that Abe had any idea of how evil, destructive, corrupt, corrupting, democracy-destroying, how "suiciding" for America the shitstorm of BigCorp/1% would be.



divisive class rhetoric: check:
vainglorious calling of important individual by first name: check
whole bunch of frothing pejoratives with no thought behind them: check
incoming instruction to GFY : check

Good robot.

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FuzzyLumpkins

butthurt pitiful ankle nipper: check

[FuzzyLumpkins]

FuzzyLumpkins

butthurt pitiful ankle nipper: check

I post here all the time and for as much as you spam your media feed, I don't respond ot the majority of it. I also typically just say my piece and let it be.

The emotion I feel when I read your posts is more pity and scrolling through more than anything. Remember how I told you that when you do the bolding routine on your posts I found it unreadable? Delude yourself however you must.

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The emotion I feel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBcHUe4WeQ

fuzzybrain: butthurt pitiful ankle nipper: check

[angrydude]

Syrian rebels following the example of Arab spring which was sparked by Repugs invading Iraq, which gave rise to AQI, which gave rise to ISIS, commanded by Saddam's Sunni generals fired by Repug asshole Bremer.

Repugs' invasion of Iraq leads directly to ISIS Bataclan, San Bernardino, and Ms of asylum seekers, refugees from the Syrian civil war and ISIS.

lol@your definition of directly. Eight years is a hell of a time to be considered directly.

Try again. As in your boy barry directly gave rise to isis by giving them guns to take out the true target Assad.

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lol@your definition of directly. Eight years is a hell of a time to be considered directly.

Try again. As in your boy barry directly gave rise to isis by giving them guns to take out the true target Assad.

di fucking directly. No invasion of Iraq, no destabilization of Middle East, no AQI, no ISIS.

You're confused, and wrong, being a rightwingnut.

US has been trying to aid the Syrian rebels with supplies and arms, not trying to aid ISIS. Iraqi "army", a $50B US training/arming disaster, dropped everything and ran away, leaving the materiel to ISIS.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/suspect-who-tried-to-attack-paris-police-station-lived-with-asylum-seekers-in-germany/2016/01/10/63ee826c-7bb7-4c6f-9b4c-7538a9c95d55_story.html