Reports of Active Shooter at Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Facility

[spurraider21]

breaking, still developing...

http://news.yahoo.com/police-active-shooter-colorado-planned-parenthood-clinic-191839693.html

[lefty]

:lol Christian Terrorist

[Trill Clinton]

probably a refugee or muslim.

[Quetzal-X]

#domesticterrorists

[TheSanityAnnex]

Scanner feed
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/54/web

[Kim Jong-il]

probably a refugee or muslim.
But if he's a white Christian then he's ":cry mentally ill, we need to help the mentally ill! :cry"

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

What a fucking asshole, does he not know Planned parenthood is one of our greatest allies?

http://www.toomanyaborted.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/NUMBER-ONE-KILLER-2013-FB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EFDypa1.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

When it's a Muslim, it's :cry "shut up, Islamopohobe! Don't you remember the Crusades? We need to let more 'refugees' in or the terrorists win!" :cry

[spurraider21]

repetitive nonsense as usual...

from liberal crowd

if shooter is white/christian: :hat

if shooter is minority: lol at you guys politicizing a tragedy, isolated incident, etc


from conservative crowd

if shooter is white/christian: lol u guys using this incident for anti-gun propoganda

if shooter is a minority: :hat

[ElNono]

if a fetus had a gun, this long wait could've been prevented

[Pelicans78]

if a fetus had a gun, this long wait could've been prevented

*****

[Spurminator]

When it's a Muslim, it's :cry "shut up, Islamopohobe! Don't you remember the Crusades? We need to let more 'refugees' in or the terrorists win!" :cry

:cry Somebody's disappointed it's not a Muslim. :cry

[ElNono]

Just heard there's apparently a loss of life...

RIP to the victim, and I take back my previous joke about this matter...

[spurraider21]

rip

[spurraider21]

Just heard there's apparently a loss of life...

RIP to the victim, and I take back my previous joke about this matter...
i'm pretty sure i'm a terrible person, but there's an abortion joke in there

[ElNono]

i'm pretty sure i'm a terrible person, but there's an abortion joke in there

you're armenian... terrible person is implicit, tbh

[ElNono]

/blue

[Nbadan]

http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/styles/homepage--3-2--830x553/public/rtx1w6ml.jpg

[Aztecfan03]

.

[boutons_deux]

Christian ISIS, accept my morality, ethics, or I kill you.

White murders a cop, two civilians, walks out.

If he were black ....

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

If he were black ....

He could've walked out alive too

http://i.imgur.com/vEMlTel.jpg

[boutons_deux]

None Of The 14 GOP Presidential Candidates Have Responded To The Planned Parenthood Shooting

Approximately 10 hours after a gunman went on a shooting rampage (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/11/27/3726056/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/) at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, only two presidential candidates have issued statements expressing support for either the three victims or the women’s health organization.

Of the 17 candidates (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/2016-presidential-candidates.html?_r=0), only former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) have put out public statements in response to the massacre, which lasted approximately five hours and resulted in the deaths of one police officer and two civilians.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/28/3726108/presidential-candidates-colorado-shooting/

Repug silence speaks VOLUMES about these chickshits too cowardly to cross their Christian Taliban pro-murder assholes.

[Clipper Nation]

I haven't seen Democrats mention Moe Allen's mass shooting in New Orleans yet, tbh. Dempug silence speaks volumes.

[boutons_deux]

I haven't seen Democrats mention Moe Allen's mass shooting in New Orleans yet, tbh. Dempug silence speaks volumes.

:lol

white terrorism is different from black criminality.

just like cops murdering unarmed blacks is different from black criminals killing cops.

you righwintnuts are so fucking stupid.

[Kim Jong-il]

I haven't seen Democrats mention Moe Allen's mass shooting in New Orleans yet, tbh. Dempug silence speaks volumes.
http://i.imgur.com/VEvCq2f.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

:lol

white terrorism is different from black criminality.

just like cops murdering unarmed blacks is different from black criminals killing cops.

you righwintnuts are so fucking stupid.
:lol at the guy who refers to the president as "The Cool N!gg@" lecturing anyone else on racial issues.

[ChumpDumper]

I haven't seen Democrats mention Moe Allen's mass shooting in New Orleans yet, tbh. Dempug silence speaks volumes.I condemn the New Orleans mass shooting as well as the Colorado Planned Parenthood mass shooting.

Do you condemn both too or are you just going to try to use one to deflect from the other like a little bitch?

[pgardn]

Anyone got which Church funded him and set up the attack? What group encouraged this terrorist and aided in the planning? Did they find accomplices in other parts of the country ready to go off? Still too early...

[Kim Jong-il]

Anyone got which Church funded him and set up the attack? What group encouraged this terrorist and aided in the planning? Did they find accomplices in other parts of the country ready to go off? Still too early...
Unless all Christians condemn the attack and submit to national registry, they're all complicit.

[pgardn]

Unless all Christians condemn the attack and submit to national registry, they're all complicit.

Oh
OK

So are we actively breaking into churches come Sunday? Was this guy a part of a larger sleeper cell? Any further arrests? I was at a big run and security was very lax, who do I call?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Wonder if the departments will all get to keep their Bearcats after this incident. Who knows how much longer it could have gone on and how many more lives would have been lost if they didn't have two of them on scene.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Did this guy already forget that Colorado recently passed stricter gun laws



President Obama says US has 'to do something about easy accessibility' of guns amid Colorado shooting - @Reuters

[TheSanityAnnex]

None Of The 14 GOP Presidential Candidates Have Responded To The Planned Parenthood Shooting

Approximately 10 hours after a gunman went on a shooting rampage (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/11/27/3726056/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/) at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, only two presidential candidates have issued statements expressing support for either the three victims or the women’s health organization.

Of the 17 candidates (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/2016-presidential-candidates.html?_r=0), only former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) have put out public statements in response to the massacre, which lasted approximately five hours and resulted in the deaths of one police officer and two civilians.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/28/3726108/presidential-candidates-colorado-shooting/

Repug silence speaks VOLUMES about these chickshits too cowardly to cross their Christian Taliban pro-murder assholes.






I've yet to see anything saying he was a Christian and a conservative. Care to share your sources?

[boutons_deux]

I've yet to see anything saying he was a Christian and a conservative. Care to share your sources?

anti-abortion haters are saying it was bank robbery, explains why he went into a PP clinic.

[Clipper Nation]

I condemn the New Orleans mass shooting as well as the Colorado Planned Parenthood mass shooting.

Do you condemn both too or are you just going to try to use one to deflect from the other like a little bitch?
I condemn both. Why don't the Dempugs condemn both?

[Clipper Nation]

Turns out the shooter is a third-party voter who identifies as a woman, according to court records:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/court-records-colorado-planned-parenthood-shooter-not-republican-identifies-as-woman/

Also has a history of reckless driving and animal abuse. Looks like this guy is just a nutjob, not necessarily a Bible-thumper. Oops, there goes the narrative!

[Winehole23]

because you live in an echo chamber. everyone condemns mass murder.

[Clipper Nation]

because you live in an echo chamber. everyone condemns mass murder.
I'm just going by left-wing logic, where if you don't immediately make a statement and politicize a mass shooting, you're clearly okay with it. Why are Hillary, Bernie and O'Malley okay with mass shootings?

[Winehole23]

Looks like this guy is just a nutjob, not necessarily a Bible-thumper. Oops, there goes the narrative!pots jeering at kettles. now you're the one jumping to conclusions not supported by what's known.

[ChumpDumper]

I condemn both. Why don't the Dempugs condemn both?Who says they don't?

If you can quantify the condemnation of every event by every political and demographic group, you might have an argument.

You can't so you don't. You're only bringing this up to deflect from the event being discussed.

[Winehole23]

I'm just going by left-wing logic, where if you don't immediately make a statement and politicize a mass shooting, you're clearly okay with it. Why are Hillary, Bernie and O'Malley okay with mass shootings?dunno. why?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm just going by left-wing logic, where if you don't immediately make a statement and politicize a mass shooting, you're clearly okay with it. Why are Hillary, Bernie and O'Malley okay with mass shootings?Well you immediately issue a deflecting statement. Why are you OK with that?

[Clipper Nation]

Who says they don't?
Who says the Republicans don't condemn this shooting?

[ChumpDumper]

Who says the Republicans don't condemn this shooting?Considering the profile of the shooting, have any of the Republican candidates for President of the United States condemned it? They seem to be rather prominent Republicans who represent their party.

It would be great if they just condemned something like that unprompted.

[Trill Clinton]

the #bluelivesmatter and #alllivesmatter crowd has been silent regarding this shootinghttp://i65.tinypic.com/r9k9p2.png

[Winehole23]

Ted Cruz tweeted:

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/670621554095493122?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

[ChumpDumper]

Thank his God he prayed. Everything is going to be alright now.

[spurraider21]

Thank his God he prayed. Everything is going to be alright now.
Were you expecting him to fly around the earth so fast that it would turn back time so he could then prevent it?

[baseline bum]

Were you expecting him to fly around the earth so fast that it would turn back time so he could then prevent it?

More likely to work than his tax plan tbh

[Trill Clinton]

when you kill a cop and are shocked you're still alive

http://i65.tinypic.com/i2ra5j.jpg

[mingus]

Considering the profile of the shooting, have any of the Republican candidates for President of the United States condemned it? They seem to be rather prominent Republicans who represent their party.

It would be great if they just condemned something like that unprompted.

Republicans need to respond to obvious evil like this in order to what? Prove they're not alright with it?

Does any reasonable person question that they think it's as deplorable as democrats?

[pgardn]

when you kill a cop and are shocked you're still alive

http://i65.tinypic.com/i2ra5j.jpg

This is clearly the work of a deeply imbedded, highly organized Christian terror organization.

[Spurminator]

Republicans need to respond to obvious evil like this in order to...

...not be so predictable in what obviously evil crimes they condemn publicly.

[Kim Jong-il]

This is clearly the work of a deeply imbedded, highly organized Christian terror organization.
Plenty of those in America. Tea Party, NRA, Republicans, etc

[mingus]

...not be so predictable in what obviously evil crimes they condemn publicly.

So what exactly are you're trying say? What's the implied meaning behind their silence? You're beating around a bush.

[Spurminator]

So what exactly are you're trying say? What's the implied meaning behind their silence? You're beating around a bush.

My criticism is less about their silence here and more about their opportunistic bloviating when the bad guy looks like someone their voters will cross the street to avoid on the sidewalk.

[mingus]

Like when? Can you give an example?

I'm not feigning ignorance, I really don't keep tabs enough on these politicians' Twitter feeds to have any idea.

[Spurminator]

Like when? Can you give an example?

I'm not feigning ignorance, I really don't keep tabs enough on these politicians' Twitter feeds to have any idea.

For example... Shortly after two extremists targeted a Muhammed art contest earlier this year in Garland, TX, several Republican Presidential candidates made the TV news rounds to discuss the growing threat of Islamic extremism in the states and criticize the Obama administration for not recognizing the threat. Huckabee, Cruz, and Jindal come to mind immediately. I don't archive tweets or news segments so obviously there could have been more.

[boutons_deux]

This is clearly the work of a deeply imbedded, highly organized Christian terror organization.

a lone wolf terrorist, read the Bible front to back, anti-abortionist, when arrested, mumbled "no more baby parts"

Thanks, CMP and CarLIE Fiorina.

Your LYING vids and doubled-down LIES have mortal consequences, intentional "loose lips" sink innocent people.

[mingus]

For example... Shortly after two extremists targeted a Muhammed art contest earlier this year in Garland, TX, several Republican Presidential candidates made the TV news rounds to discuss the growing threat of Islamic extremism in the states and criticize the Obama administration for not recognizing the threat. Huckabee, Cruz, and Jindal come to mind immediately. I don't archive tweets or news segments so obviously there could have been more.


I've no idea of knowing whether they were solicited for responses or not.

Either way, that's the way politics is played, sadly. Political pandering is a rampant thing on both sides. Are you going to admit that, or is this a case of selective criticism? 'Cause I'm sure I can do the same thing with Dems who've commented on this tragedy by pointing to an instance(s) where it was politically expedient for them to remain silent.

[pgardn]

a lone wolf terrorist, read the Bible front to back, anti-abortionist, when arrested, mumbled "no more baby parts"

Thanks, CMP and CarLIE Fiorina.

Your LYING vids and doubled-down LIES have mortal consequences, intentional "loose lips" sink innocent people.


I got that.

Republicans exaggerated, set off a lone nut wolf nut case.

Please dont equate this this with a massive movement of highly organized, intelligent, zealot, killing machines who slaughter innocent kids in Paris. It's not the same.

It's just not.

I understand the origins of both. I believe if Christians were brought up in highly chaotic, dysfunctional environments, they might react the same way...but...

There are clearly posters linking these incidents.
It's disingenuous and simplistic.

[Winehole23]

Thank his God he prayed. Everything is going to be alright now.Had he pretended fake outrage at the mass killing it would have counted just as much.

[Winehole23]

actually, he ended up denouncing it


"We don’t know ... what those motives were, but whatever they were, it’s unacceptable, and it’s horrific and wrong,” the Republican presidential hopeful told reporters here before a town hall. http://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/28/cruz-condemns-planned-parenthood-shooting-colorado/

[boutons_deux]

actually, he ended up denouncing it

http://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/28/cruz-condemns-planned-parenthood-shooting-colorado/

Cruz knows exactly what he's doing with his anti-abortion, anti-woman, Christian Sharia supremacy bullshit. Of course he has to condemn murder, but he knows Ms of his Christian Taliban followers are privately thrilled that PP got shot up, baby-murderers got murdered, shot up.

And what about any condemnations from the anti-abortion leaders, pastors, etc?

[boutons_deux]

Abortion Clinics, White Christian Terrorism and GOP Candidates
Americans are more at risk from violence by armed white Christian fanatics than they ever were from Muslims.

Abortion clinics have been targeted for violence by fundamentalist Christians of a violent bent for decades.

In 2009, Dr. George Tiller was relentlessly shot to death by Scott Roeder (http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men), who insisted that the good doctor was satanic because he performed abortions.

Dr. John Britton was murdered in 1994 on similar grounds.

A strain of Christianity in the United States has never accepted Roe v. Wade, which made it a woman’s right to have an abortion.

Not accepting it for oneself is a matter of conscience, and there is nothing wrong with that. But not accepting it for other people is a form of coercion aimed at depriving them of a legal right.

Deploying violence against people to halt abortions is the textbook definition of terrorism, which in the 1990s the Federal Code sensibly defined as non-state actors using violence against civilians to achieve a political aim.

Much violence and coercion at Planned Parenthood (only 3% of its activity has to do with abortion) is inspired by Christian fundamentalism.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/abortion_clinics_white_christian_terrorism_and_gop _candidates_20151129?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+Truthdig+Truthdig%253A+Dril ling+Beneath+the+Headlines

[boutons_deux]

Here Are All The People Applauding The Planned Parenthood Shooter


http://thoughtcatalog.com/jacob-geers/2015/11/here-are-all-the-people-applauding-the-planned-parenthood-shooter/

As if these white Christian Taliban gave the tiniest shit about "saving black babies".

[baseline bum]

How the fuck is this not called terrorism by our piece of shit media?

[baseline bum]

Shoots up the place because Obama is letting them sell baby parts? Shit sounds like it's straight out of Hannity's mouth.

[boutons_deux]

BigCorp media doesn't want to piss off the Christian Taliban, pro-abortion 10Ms

murdering non-combatants for political objectives is terrorism.

[Spurminator]

I've no idea of knowing whether they were solicited for responses or not.

Either way, that's the way politics is played, sadly. Political pandering is a rampant thing on both sides. Are you going to admit that, or is this a case of selective criticism?

I've never claimed otherwise. Dems certainly exploit controversy for the sake of pandering. I don't like it from either side, but I'm not going to equate the two either, even though that's the PC thing to do. The Right's pandering is worse, IMO, because it often seeks to make a privileged majority feel like an oppressed minority by stoking fears towards actual minorities.

[Trill Clinton]

I've never claimed otherwise. Dems certainly exploit controversy for the sake of pandering. I don't like it from either side, but I'm not going to equate the two either, even though that's the PC thing to do. The Right's pandering is worse, IMO, because it often seeks to make a privileged majority feel like an oppressed minority by stoking fears towards actual minorities.

:tu

[boutons_deux]

Mike Huckabee: Anti-abortion shooter is ‘abominable’ like Planned Parenthood killing ‘millions of babies’

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/mike-huckabee-anti-abortion-shooter-is-abominable-like-planned-parenthood-killing-millions-of-babies/

LYING false equivalence, but LYING is all the Christian Taliban, Repugs run on.

[TheSanityAnnex]

How the fuck is this not called terrorism by our piece of shit media?
Possibly because they still don't have a motive and the civilian killed wasn't in planned parenthood and no one from planned parenthood was killed?

[Winehole23]

Cruz knows exactly what he's doing with his anti-abortion, anti-woman, Christian Sharia supremacy bullshit. Of course he has to condemn murder, but he knows Ms of his Christian Taliban followers are privately thrilled that PP got shot up, baby-murderers got murdered, shot up. Cruz sees the value of hypocrisy. That's much to his credit politically.

[Winehole23]

Possibly because they still don't have a motive and the civilian killed wasn't in planned parenthood and no one from planned parenthood was killed?Garden variety mass killing.

Move along, folks, nothing to see here.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Garden variety mass killing.

Move along, folks, nothing to see here.
If you've heard otherwise please share.

[ChumpDumper]

Robert Lewis Dear, a North Carolina native who was living in a trailer in Colorado, made statements to police Friday at the scene of the Colorado Springs clinic and in interviews that law enforcement sources described as rantings.

In one statement, made after the suspect was taken in for questioning, Dear said "no more baby parts" in reference to Planned Parenthood, two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case told NBC News.

Colorado Springs Shooting Suspect Robert L. Dear Colorado Springs Police Department
But the sources stressed that Dear said many things to law enforcement and the extent to which the "baby parts" remark played into any decision to target the Planned Parenthood office was not yet clear. He also mentioned President Barack Obama in statements.http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-made-comment-about-no-more-baby-n470706

Eh, I'll just put two and two together like the media did for the Garland terrorist attack.

[mingus]

I've never claimed otherwise. Dems certainly exploit controversy for the sake of pandering. I don't like it from either side, but I'm not going to equate the two either, even though that's the PC thing to do. The Right's pandering is worse, IMO, because it often seeks to make a privileged majority feel like an oppressed minority by stoking fears towards actual minorities.

Not asking you to equate them. Your original statement had nothing to do with what's worse. Had to do with their inconsistency.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-made-comment-about-no-more-baby-n470706

Eh, I'll just put two and two together like the media did for the Garland terrorist attack.
Who was targeted at Planned Parenthood? From all I've gathered he killed someone in another building and holed up in Planned Parenthood when the police came. If you've heard otherwise please share.

[ChumpDumper]

Who was targeted at Planned Parenthood? From all I've gathered he killed someone in another building and holed up in Planned Parenthood when the police came. If you've heard otherwise please share.Thanks for posting links for what you have gathered.

[Splits]

:lmao so the TSA theory is he went on a shooting rampage and just happened to accidentally find himself in a Planned Parenthood and after being apprehended just incidentally started talking about "baby parts" but it is all just one big coincidence.

The stupidity of conservatives knows no bounds.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Thanks for posting links for what you have gathered.

As if your link with "sources" is of any worth lol

I gathered my information from the scanner feed which I linked when this started. So after you put two and two together who was targeted at planned parenthood?

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lmao so the TSA theory is he went on a shooting rampage and just happened to accidentally find himself in a Planned Parenthood and after being apprehended just incidentally started talking about "baby parts" but it is all just one big coincidence.

The stupidity of conservatives knows no bounds.

I'm just going off what is known now. Do you have a link stating his motive and plan to shoot up Planned Parenthood? I haven't seen one yet.

[ChumpDumper]

As if your link with "sources" is of any worth lolWhy would a law enforcement source have no worth?

Please explain this fully.


I gathered my information from the scanner feed which I linked when this started.Were you listening to police scanner on 9/11, you would have heard reports of bombs going off in the WTC. Do you believe those were bombs in the WTC?
So after you put two and two together who was targeted at planned parenthood?individuals don't have to be targeted in a terrorist attack.

I'm fine if it turns out to be something else, but really -- your definition of terrorism seems to change with every potential terrorist activity. It's entertaining to watch.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why would a law enforcement source have no worth?

Please explain this fully.

Were you listening to police scanner on 9/11, you would have heard reports of bombs going off in the WTC. Do you believe those were bombs in the WTC?individuals don't have to be targeted in a terrorist attack.

I'm fine if it turns out to be something else, but really -- your definition of terrorism seems to change with every potential terrorist activity. It's entertaining to watch.

"law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case" ---sorry but I'll wait for an official statement with a name attached to it before jumping to any conclusions.

[ChumpDumper]

"law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case" ---sorry but I'll wait for an official statement with a name attached to it before jumping to any conclusions.How responsible of you.

This time...

[spurraider21]

so this guy is "christian taliban" or whatever the fuck, but isis isn't islamic?

[DarrinS]

when you kill a cop and are shocked you're still alive

http://i65.tinypic.com/i2ra5j.jpg


Looks completely sane, lol

[Trill Clinton]

damn, rest in peace, beloved.


671069472585728000

[Winehole23]

How the fuck is this not called terrorism by our piece of shit media?even Mike Huckabee called it terrorism, albeit in a tweet:

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/670981701561131008

[ChumpDumper]

Dude wanted to terrorize somebody. Unless all those propane tanks were for grilling.

(and no, I don't think they automatically explode when shot -- I didn't say this guy was a genius)

[baseline bum]

:cry Thank you Mr Dear for taking back our country back from that socialist ###### :cry

[Spurminator]

even Mike Huckabee called it terrorism, albeit in a tweet:

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/670981701561131008

On an interview too. Seems like a desperate attempt to differentiate himself from the pack, IMO.

[baseline bum]

even Mike Huckabee called it terrorism, albeit in a tweet:

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/670981701561131008

Nice to see someone using the t word.

[Spurminator]

Nice to see someone using the t word.

A step in the right direction, but not as specific as Huckabee insists we be about other terrorism.

[spurraider21]

:lol...

:madrun why dont they call it terorrism
:madrun ok they called it terrorism but why didnt they do it in a specific way that i want



you nutjobs should worry less about media headlines tbh

[Spurminator]

:lol...

:madrun why dont they call it terorrism
:madrun ok they called it terrorism but why didnt they do it in a specific way that i want



you nutjobs should worry less about media headlines tbh

I don't think they need to be specific about it. You're not following.

[spurraider21]

I don't think they should be specific about it. You're not following.
wasn't necessarily aimed at you. the previous page has a few posters whining about the terorrism non-label

[Spurminator]

who said i was specifically responding to you? you're not following

Sorry, it was right after my post and seemed directly related. Who were you talking about?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Colorado Springs police say they will not disclose why a gunman opened fire at a Planned Parenthood clinic, killing three people.
Police say in a statement Sunday that they are sealing the warrants related to the case against 57-year-old Robert Lewis Dear. They say they are not providing information on the weapon used in Friday's shooting, a timeline of events or a motive of the suspect.
That will continue to stoke speculation about what led to the shooting that killed a police officer and two other people. Dear is scheduled to make his first court appearance Monday afternoon.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/11/29/the-latest-colorado-governor-man-woman-killed-in-shooting

[DMX7]

Nice to see someone using the t word.

Of course Mike's hyperbole is at least partially to blame for inspiring crazy behavior by some of these people.

[DarrinS]

Are we really calling every nutjob lone wolf murder spree a terrorist attack? If so, kinda waters down the word "terrorist", tbqh.

[ChumpDumper]

Are we really calling every nutjob lone wolf murder spree a terrorist attack? If so, kinda waters down the word "terrorist", tbqh.If he specifically attacked PP, would you call this terrorist attack, Darrin?

Yes or no.

[ElNono]

Are we really calling every nutjob lone wolf murder spree a terrorist attack? If so, kinda waters down the word "terrorist", tbqh.

it's been watered down a long time ago

[baseline bum]

Are we really calling every nutjob lone wolf murder spree a terrorist attack? If so, kinda waters down the word "terrorist", tbqh.

Saying PP sells dead baby parts and blaming Obama is pretty much mainstream Republican doctrine.

[Spurminator]

Saying PP sells dead baby parts and blaming Obama is pretty much mainstream Republican doctrine.

Not to mention the whole "How can we defeat the enemy if we won't even call it by its name" schtick.

[Kim Jong-il]

Looks completely sane, lol
White shooter, he must be :cry mentally ill :cry

[DarrinS]

If he specifically attacked PP, would you call this terrorist attack, Darrin?

Yes or no.


If its ideologically motivated, I suppose. I'm not sure if this guy is sane, tho.

[DarrinS]

White shooter, he must be :cry mentally ill :cry

Sometimes it's obvious.

[Kim Jong-il]

Sometimes it's obvious.
Clearly. His whiteness is very obvious here.

[DarrinS]

Clearly. His whiteness is very obvious here.

No, his crazy ass looking mug is obvious.

[Kim Jong-il]

No, his crazy ass looking mug is obvious.
Find me a mug shot where the person doesn't look crazy (Sinatra's doesn't count)

[pgardn]

White shooter, he must be :cry mentally ill :cry

So now that his background is out you would consider him sane?

[Spurminator]

Motivated by religion:
https://localtvwjw.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/hasan.jpg?w=400&h=225&crop=1

Crazy:
http://lifenews.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/robertlewisdear.png

[Spurminator]

(But I agree he's definitely crazy.)

[Kim Jong-il]

So now that his background is out you would consider him sane?
Has he been officially diagnosed with a mental illness?

[pgardn]

Has he been officially diagnosed with a mental illness?

Not in court.
Yet. A trial would get into that. We have plenty of people in the US walking the streets that would be diagnosed mentally ill but have not been.

You want me to wait and then make the call, or give an opinion?

[DarrinS]

Motivated by religion:
https://localtvwjw.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/hasan.jpg?w=400&h=225&crop=1

Crazy:
http://lifenews.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/robertlewisdear.png

One is a doctor, the other...?

[DarrinS]

But, both wearing orange:lol

[baseline bum]

So now that his background is out you would consider him sane?

Because he was an angry loner he can't be expected to know right from wrong? Nothing about his background says crazy to me. It says bitter old man who hates people.

[pgardn]

Because he was an angry loner he can't be expected to know right from wrong? Nothing about his background says crazy to me. It says bitter old man who hates people.

Animal cruelty, looking in neighbors windows, mumbling to neighbors incoherently, inability to live next to people despite looking in windows, mumbling about baby parts

I will say he cracked as an early guess. I will leave the legal definition of sane out of it and call him crazy. I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist but yeah...
What I will not do is imply he is of the same mental state as the bombers/shooters in Paris. This was implied earlier in the thread and it's just not the same type of persons or events at all. It really is not.

So I will go with crazy. They will attempt to try him as sane you can be sure of that.

[baseline bum]

Animal cruelty, looking in neighbors windows, mumbling to neighbors incoherently, inability to live next to people despite looking in windows, mumbling about baby parts

I will say he cracked. I will leave the legal definition of sane out of it and call him crazy. I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist but yeah...
What I will not do is imply he is of the same mental state as the bombers/shooters in Paris. This was implied earlier in the thread and it's just not the same type of persons or events at all. It really is not.

So I will go with crazy. They will attempt to try him as sane you can be sure of that.

None of that sounds crazy. He sounds angry and antisocial. I have seen crazy, my uncle had schizophrenia and murdered a guy because he thought he was being ordered to by his radio after he stopped taking his thorazine. I don't buy that crazy people can live off the grid for years. I don't buy he cracked as he's crazy. I hate that people just want to label others as crazy when they commit horrifying acts.

[pgardn]

None of that sounds crazy. He sounds angry and antisocial. I have seen crazy, my uncle had schizophrenia and murdered a guy because he thought he was being ordered to by his radio after he stopped taking his thorazine. I don't buy that crazy people can live off the grid for years. I don't buy he cracked as he's crazy. I hate that people just want to label others as crazy when they commit horrifying acts.

Well we will disagree. And I understand why people don't want them labeled as insane for death penalty purposes (not implying this is your motive)

But to further why I did not like the comparison with the bombers in Paris is I bet you don't find animal cruelty, etc...in their background. These people are assassins, this guy is not IMO. This was really my intention, to dissect the comparison. I don't think it applies.

[ElNono]

He was sane enough not to hurt himself and to turn himself in...

[baseline bum]

Well we will disagree. And I understand why people don't want them labeled as insane for death penalty purposes (not implying this is your motive)

But to further why I did not like the comparison with the bombers in Paris is I bet you don't find animal cruelty, etc...in their background. These people are assassins, this guy is not IMO. This was really my intention, to dissect the comparison. I don't think it applies.

I don't want every murderer labeled as insane because it takes personal accountability out of the equation, like there is no such thing as just being a horrible person, as if people consumed by rage can't help it. If this guy was schizophrenic for example, no way he survives this long without some paper trail of prescriptions and institutionalization. The media would be all over it by now.

[mingus]

The guy may have been crazy/schizo. There are different levels of schizophrenia. He may have been non-compliant with meds up until recently, who knows at this point? All speculative.

What I do know tho is that the Left will blame the Right for this mofos actions, they'll point to "baby parts" tapes, the inflammatory rhetoric--all of which deserve critivism to be sure--whilst pretending they haven't played their own part in it: calling Repubs anti-woman, saying they stop giving a shit about you when out of womb.

Both have instigated this shit.

[pgardn]

I don't want every murderer labeled as insane because it takes personal accountability out of the equation, like there is no such thing as just being a horrible person, as if people consumed by rage can't help it. If this guy was schizophrenic for example, no way he survives this long without some paper trail of prescriptions and institutionalization. The media would be all over it by now.

Understood.

In other words sudden rage might be what I am calling snapping. It's still inexcusable because they basically know what they are doing. I understand that. But implying he is some sort of Christian extremist following right wing orders is nuts. This is what I got out of some of the posts.

[pgardn]

He was sane enough not to hurt himself and to turn himself in...

Or insane enough to give up knowing what's waiting for him.
Terrorists wearing vests...

Human behavior is complex. I just don't find the Christian terrorist characterization implied early in the thread applicable. He definitely did not fall on the grenade for his right wing comrades IMO.

[ChumpDumper]

Understood.

In other words sudden rage might be what I am calling snapping. It's still inexcusable because they basically know what they are doing. I understand that. But implying he is some sort of Christian extremist following right wing orders is nuts. This is what I got out of some of the posts.If that's what you get from posts here, you might be insane.

[pgardn]

Christian ISIS, accept my morality, ethics, or I kill you.

White murders a cop, two civilians, walks out.

If he were black ....

Im insane...

[baseline bum]

The guy may have been crazy/schizo. There are different levels of schizophrenia. He may have been non-compliant with meds up until recently, who knows at this point? All speculative.

What I do know tho is that the Left will blame the Right for this mofos actions, they'll point to "baby parts" tapes, the inflammatory rhetoric--all of which deserve critivism to be sure--whilst pretending they haven't played their own part in it: calling Repubs anti-woman, saying they stop giving a shit about you when out of womb.

Both have instigated this shit.

You gotta be fucking kidding me, the left instigated this? :rollin

[ChumpDumper]

Im insane...Yep, you are.

[ChumpDumper]

The guy may have been crazy/schizo. There are different levels of schizophrenia. He may have been non-compliant with meds up until recently, who knows at this point? All speculative.

What I do know tho is that the Left will blame the Right for this mofos actions, they'll point to "baby parts" tapes, the inflammatory rhetoric--all of which deserve critivism to be sure--whilst pretending they haven't played their own part in it: calling Repubs anti-woman, saying they stop giving a shit about you when out of womb.

Both have instigated this shit.So the left guilted him into killing those people?

[pgardn]

Yep, you are.

Thanks doc.

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks doc.But you can diagnose someone as insane from a couple of news stories....

[mingus]

Maybe I can explain myself better, so here I go...

The rhetoric is inflammatory on both sides. Both doing smear jobs on the other. They create a climate where crazies feel they're going right thing by doing shit like this.

[pgardn]

Animal cruelty, looking in neighbors windows, mumbling to neighbors incoherently, inability to live next to people despite looking in windows, mumbling about baby parts

I will say he cracked as an early guess. I will leave the legal definition of sane out of it and call him crazy. I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist but yeah...
What I will not do is imply he is of the same mental state as the bombers/shooters in Paris. This was implied earlier in the thread and it's just not the same type of persons or events at all. It really is not.

So I will go with crazy. They will attempt to try him as sane you can be sure of that.

Sure thing.

[spurraider21]

If its ideologically motivated, I suppose. I'm not sure if this guy is sane, tho.
would you consider suicide bombers sane?

[boutons_deux]

pro-birthers have blood on their hands for all this and ALL the other anti-abortion terrorist acts since 1977.

[boutons_deux]

Ted Cruz says Planned Parenthood terrorist was ‘transgendered leftist activist’

http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ted-cruz-gage-skidmore-flickr-2-800x430-800x430.jpghttp://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/ted-cruz-says-planned-parenthood-terrorist-was-transgendered-leftist-activist/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29


90% of Krazy Kruz' Kruz-fellators don't even know WTF he said! :lol

but they like the rabble-rousing buzzwords, ALWAYS MORE CHRISTIAN TALIBAN HATE!

[boutons_deux]

The rhetoric is inflammatory on both sides. Both doing smear jobs on the other. They create a climate where crazies feel they're going right thing by doing shit like this.

You Lie, false equivalence.

The entire GOP is nothing now but a HATE GROUP, spreading fear, paranoia, hate with every fucking pronouncement, each based on LIES.

[DarrinS]

would you consider suicide bombers sane?

That defense will never work for the suicide bomber.

[boutons_deux]

Abortion violence's deadly toll spans clinics, kitchen and church

Here’s a look at those killed in attacks on clinics or abortion providers.
Dr. David Gunn

Killed: March 10, 1993
Pensacola, Fla.
Gunn, 47, became the first doctor in the U.S. killed during an antiabortion demonstration when he was shot three times in the back while outside a women’s clinic in Pensacola. Gunn was based in Eufaula, Ala., but traveled to clinics in Georgia, Florida and other parts of Alabama to perform abortions. Michael Griffin was convicted of the murder and is serving a life sentence.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-565b5c30/turbine/la-wre0005550023-19940729/400Dr. John Britton (Associated Press)

Dr. John Britton

Killed: July 29, 1994
Pensacola, Fla.
Britton, 69, and his volunteer driver and escort were shot in the head with a shotgun outside a Pensacola abortion clinic. Paul Hill, a former Christian minister convicted of the killings, once told a television audience, “I'm advocating the consistent theology of the Bible, and that is that we must protect innocent life.”

http://www.trbimg.com/img-565b5860/turbine/la-wre0004653114-19940731/600James Barrett was slain outside a Pensacola, Fla., abortion clinic in July 1994. (Associated Press)

James Barrett

Killed: July 29, 1994
Pensacola, Fla.
Barrett, 74, was gunned down along with Dr. John Britton by Paul Hill when they arrived at an abortion clinic in Pensacola. Barrett's wife, June, was injured but survived. Hill was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003, becoming the first person put to death in the U.S. for killing an abortion provider.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-565b5cd2/turbine/la-wre0003841922-19941230/400Shannon Lowney was killed inside a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Mass., in 1994. (Associated Press)

Shannon Lowney

Killed: Dec. 30, 1994
Brookline, Mass.
Lowney, 25, a receptionist at the Boston Planned Parenthood Clinic, was one of two people fatally shot by John C. Salvi III during a rampage that targeted two clinics in Brookline, Mass. Five others were wounded. A judge rejected his lawyers’ arguments that he was insane and sentenced him to life in prison without parole.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-565b5e04/turbine/la-wre0004734943-19941231/400Lee Ann Nichols (Associated Press)

Lee Ann Nichols

Killed: Dec. 30, 1994
Brookline, Mass.
Like Lowney, the 38-year-old Nichols was a clinic receptionist. As he opened fire on her and others, Salvi shouted, “This is what you get! You should pray the rosary!” He committed suicide in prison in 1996.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-565b508e/turbine/la-wre0004615571-20050718/600Felicia Sanderson, widow of Robert Sanderson, speaks at a courthouse in July 2005.(Charles Nesbitt / Associated Press)

Robert Sanderson

Killed: Jan. 29, 1998
Birmingham, Ala.
Sanderson, an off-duty police officer serving as a security guard at a Birmingham clinic, was killed and a nurse critically injured in the first fatal bombing of a U.S. abortion clinic. Eric Rudolph pleaded guilty to that incident and the bombings of an Atlanta abortion clinic, a lesbian nightclub and the 1996 Summer Olympics. Sanderson’s widow, Felicia, told a court she would “never forget the look on my son's face” when she told him his father was dead.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-565b5f2f/turbine/la-la0004996560-19890103/400Dr. Barnett Slepian leaves Amherst town court in this 1989 photo. (James P. McCoy / Associated Press)

Dr. Barnett Slepian

Killed: Oct. 23, 1998
Amherst, N.Y.
James Kopp, armed with a high-powered rifle, shot Slepian, 52, while the doctor was sitting in his kitchen in upstate New York. Slepian, who had once said of critics, “The more that they come after me, the more I will dig in,” was killed only days after authorities had warned clinics of possible attacks. James Kopp was sentenced to 25 years to life. At sentencing he said, “I wish I could do 10 life sentences or 10 death penalties” to save the unborn.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-565b5fa9/turbine/la-wre0004469476-20011229/400Dr. George Tiller speaks at a rally at Tillers clinic in 2002. (Larry Smith / Associated Press)

Dr. George Tiller

Killed: May 31, 2009
Wichita, Kan.
Tiller, who performed late-term abortions, had received many threats over the years. His Wichita clinic was bombed in 1986; he was shot in both arms while outside the building in 1993. Tiller, 67, was fatally shot while standing in the foyer of his church. His killer, Scott Roeder, was sentenced to life in prison.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-565b603b/turbine/la-wre0032598776-20151127/400Officer Garrett Swasey was killed at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs. (Associated Press)

Garrett Swasey

Killed: Nov. 27, 2015
Colorado Springs, Colo.
Swasey, 44, a six-year veteran with the police department at the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs, died Friday after a gunman opened fire at a Planned Parenthood office. Swasey was married and the father of two.

Jennifer Markovsky

Killed: Nov. 27, 2015
Colorado Springs, Colo.
Markovsky, 35, had accompanied a friend to the clinic, her father told the Denver Post. John Ah-King described his daughter as the mother of two and a kind and lovable person.

Ke'Arre Marcell Stewart

Killed: Nov. 27, 2015
Colorado Springs, Colo.
Stewart, 29, also was accompanying a friend to the clinic, family spokeswoman Amburh Butler told the Associated Press. Stewart was a military veteran who had served in Iraq and was the father of two daughters, Butler said. She last spoke to him on Thursday, when he sounded upbeat about spending Thanksgiving with friends, Butler said. “He was just a stand-up guy, he would take a bullet for you,” Butler said. “He was the most sincere person I'd ever met.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-abortion-violence-20151129-htmlstory.html

[boutons_deux]

Since 1977, when more extreme elements in the anti-abortion movement began attacking clinics and personnel,

eight doctors or staff members have been killed,

according to data collected by the National Abortion Federation.

There have been an additional 17 attempted murders,

42 bombings,

186 arson attacks and

many thousands of violent threats or other illegal acts against abortion clinics.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/us/siege-highlights-security-used-in-abortion-clinics.html

pro-birth murderous terrorism

[pgardn]

Since 1977, when more extreme elements in the anti-abortion movement began attacking clinics and personnel,

eight doctors or staff members have been killed,

according to data collected by the National Abortion Federation.

There have been an additional 17 attempted murders,

42 bombings,

186 arson attacks and

many thousands of violent threats or other illegal acts against abortion clinics.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/us/siege-highlights-security-used-in-abortion-clinics.html

pro-birth murderous terrorism





So Republicans are every bit as tainted as members of ISIS for their war on choice or war on Proabortion supporters?

One is a part of the Christian Taliban if one is against abortion?

How broad is the blame since you found it easy to label them for effectiveness right after Paris?

[spurraider21]

That defense will never work for the suicide bomber.
that wasn't my question, though

[boutons_deux]

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2015/11/30/Planned-Parenthood-1024.jpg

[pgardn]

that wasn't my question, though

I would say the Paris bombers are not divorced from reality. Many are younger and still coming to grips concerning their "reason for being". I think they are searching for a cause. They see hope in death. They are zealots.

The older fellow at the abortion clinic was seemingly not looking to die for a cause. (It's really early so many politicians are staying away from proclaimations making them seem foolish; I am wading in prematurely along with Ted Cruz) I think he snapped. I doubt these killings were to be the centerpiece of his reason for living.

So I would call him crazy as I can't torture animals or shoot up innocent people. But like baseline bumb stated, he may just be an angry old man who I call crazy but is not divorced from reality. And as far as a definition for reality, I don't know what the courts say.

[pgardn]

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2015/11/30/Planned-Parenthood-1024.jpg

Do we have links to the places of worship that funded this guy, if so, close em down and make arrests. They could be in Brussels right now. Secure the border? And I'm out.

[spurraider21]

You're quite the psychologist

[boutons_deux]

brainless surgeon babbles on

Ben Carson: 'Both Sides' To Blame For Abortion Rhetoric

Ben Carson pushed back yesterday on claims that anti-abortion rhetoric may have played a role in the shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, insisting in an interview (http://www.mediaite.com/online/ben-carson-on-planned-parenthood-shooting-there-is-no-saint-here/)with Martha Raddatz that “there’s a lot of extremism coming from all areas” and divisive rhetoric “comes from both sides.” “There is no saint here in this equation,” he said.

While it is typical for a politician to suggest that “both sides” are to blame for toxic rhetoric and political dysfunction, Carson may want to look back on his own record of statements about Planned Parenthood.

Carson cited a discredited right-wing smear to claim that Planned Parenthood was created “to eliminate black people (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ben-carson-whole-purpose-planned-parenthood-eliminate-black-people).”

He also claimed that conservatives need “to help women understand that they are being manipulated” by Planned Parenthood, arguing that the organization must be defunded.

Carson, who once claimed that Obamacare “is slavery in a way (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/carson-obamacare-worst-thing-happen-nation-slavery),” similarly stated at an anti-chioce fundraiser that abortion providers are no different than slave-owners (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/ben-carson-tells-anti-choice-group-abortion-is-like-slavery-not-an-issue-of-womens-rights/):

The former neurosurgeon noted that he change his mind about abortion after realizing it was like “slavery.”

“I was thinking about slavery and I was thinking about the abolitionists, and I said, what if the abolitionists had said, ‘I don’t believe in slavery but anybody else can do whatever they want’?” Carson declared. “Where would we be today?”

“Slavery is a moral issue and so is abortion,” he insisted. “It’s a moral issue that we’re dealing with.”

He made the same case in an NBC interview (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/25/ben-carson-likens-abortion-to-slavery-wants-to-see-roe-v-wade-overturned/): “During slavery — and I know that's one of those words you're not supposed to say, but I'm saying it — during slavery, a lot of the slave owners thought that they had the right to do whatever they wanted to that slave, anything that they chose to do. And what if the abolitionists had said: 'You know, I don't believe in slavery. I think it's wrong, but you guys do whatever you want to do'? Where would we be?”

But remember, both sides are extreme!

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ben-carson-both-sides-blame-abortion-rhetoric

:lol

Yes, we hear the same inanities, same extremism from the pro-choice side! :lol

[boutons_deux]

Ted Cruz Hailed Activist Who Wants Abortion Providers Executed Eight Days Before Planned Parenthood Shooting

Troy Newman, the head of Operation Rescue, has long been known as one of the most radical anti-choice activists in the country, saying that (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/anti-planned-parenthood-activist-troy-newmans-terrifying-woman-shaming-apocalyptic-manifesto)a just government would execute abortion providers (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/anti-planned-parenthood-activist-troy-newmans-terrifying-woman-shaming-apocalyptic-manifesto)and organizing efforts to harass abortion providers and their patients (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/abortion-protesters-guidebook-invading-patients-privacy).

But Ted Cruz apparently saw his extremism as a boon, releasing a statement (https://www.tedcruz.org/news/troy-newman-activist-behind-planned-parenthood-videos-endorses-ted-cruz/) on November 19th touting Newman’s endorsement of his presidential campaign and declaring that (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-touts-endorsement-radical-anti-choice-activist-troy-newman)America needs more “leaders like Troy Newman.” (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-touts-endorsement-radical-anti-choice-activist-troy-newman)

In his statement, Cruz made clear that he was touting Newman’s endorsement because of the activist’s role in creating the hoax videos (http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/operation-rescue-s-big-break-how-organization-rooted-radical-fringes-anti-choice-moveme?_ga=1.74182167.406799128.1448895685)smearin g Planned Parenthood for selling “baby parts” for profits.

Following the shooting at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic on Friday, the shooter reportedly told authorities “no more baby parts” after he was apprehended.

Newman has not only opined on the governments duty of “executing convicted murderers, including abortionists, for their crimes in order to expunge bloodguilt from the land and people,” but once even claimed that the murderer of an abortion doctor and his bodyguard was a “political prisoner” and victim of “judicial tyranny,” (http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/operation-rescue-s-big-break-how-organization-rooted-radical-fringes-anti-choice-moveme?_ga=1.74182167.406799128.1448895685)since he was deprived (http://web.archive.org/web/20080704070411/http:/mttu.com/Articles/Execution%20of%20Paul%20Hill%20Nothing%20Less%20th an%20Murder.htm) of his “right to present a defense that claimed that the killing of the abortionist was necessary to save the lives of the pre-born babies that were scheduled to be killed by abortion that day.”

Newman coauthored his book calling for the execution of abortion providers and the statement defending the anti-abortion terrorist with his Operation Rescue colleague Cheryl Sullenger, who served “time in jail for conspiring to bomb a California abortion clinic in the 1980s (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/abortion-protesters-guidebook-invading-patients-privacy)” but who has since renounced violence.

Newman denounced (http://christiannewswire.com/news/1556577091.html) the Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado Springs, but his extremist rhetoric towards abortion providers speaks for itself.

For example (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-touts-endorsement-radical-anti-choice-activist-troy-newman), “Newman has claimed that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and AIDS were both warnings from God about legal abortion in America (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/anti-planned-parenthood-activist-troy-newmans-terrifying-woman-shaming-apocalyptic-manifesto)and attributed a drought in California to the state’s liberal abortion laws (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/troy-newman-legal-abortion-blame-california-drought), insisting that ‘weather patterns’ and economic instability are connected to legal abortion (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/troy-newman-god-sending-weather-patterns-gay-rights-judgment-abortion).”

Another activist whose endorsement Cruz’s campaign recently touted, Flip Benham, was convicted of stalking an abortion provider (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ted-cruz-touts-endorsement-extreme-anti-gay-anti-choice-activist-flip-benham)“after passing out hundreds of ‘wanted’ posters with the physician’s name and photo on it.”

As Rachel Maddow explained (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/maddow-calls-out-ted-cruz-embracing-radical-anti-choice-activist) in a recent program, Cruz must explain why he would hail an activist like Newman, a point that speaks volumes following last week’s Planned Parenthood attack.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ted-cruz-hailed-activist-who-wants-abortion-providers-executed-eight-days-planned-parenthood

[ChumpDumper]

Well I for one, will not take any chances.

We must stop all migration from North Carolina.

I know Governor Abbott will do the right thing.

[boutons_deux]

Will Congress Finally Drop Its Crusade Against Planned Parenthood?

there are currently five separate congressional committees (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/10/08/3710402/planned-parenthood-special-committee/) dedicated to investigating Planned Parenthood, including a special panel that has drawn direct comparisons to the panel that spent millions of taxpayer dollars (http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/07/08/3457552/benghazi-panel-taxpayer-dollars/) investigating Benghazi.

So far, these investigations haven’t turned up any credible evidence (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/09/30/3707229/planned-parenthood-state-investigations/) that Planned Parenthood has actually broken any laws.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/11/30/3726320/planned-parenthood-congress-committees/

Benghazi ! :lol

[boutons_deux]

Here's What It's Like to Work at Planned Parenthood

I worked at a #PlannedParenthood clinic in Kansas for 3 years. My coworkers & I were subjected to the following acts of terrorism:




Gasoline was poured under our back door & ignited 4 times.
Twice while the clinic was occupied, causing patients to be evacuated.
Butyric acid (used as a stink bomb) was poured under our doors & into ventilation system so many times I lost count. Clinic evacuated.
2 cherry bombs were left on our doorstep after hours, causing damage & clinic closure. Imagine what it's like going to work after that.
We received hundreds of phone calls, threatening to torch our clinic & to kill the "murdering whores" who worked there.
3 times someone drove by at night & shot out our windows. Picketers stood on the sidewalk & harassed employees as we swept up broken glass.



Our clinic didn't perform abortions.

We did well woman exams, pregnancy tests, dispensed birth control, & treated STIs.

Our clinic offered free & low cost services in a low income neighborhood, but every day the "pro-life" movement tried to frighten us.

The goal was to make us afraid to come to work, to make us quit, to make us close the clinic. That's terrorism. That's how terrorism works.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/11/heres-what-its-work-planned-parenthood

[boutons_deux]

Anti-abortion REPUG head of Homeland Security committee: Colorado shooting was not ‘domestic terrorism’


http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/mccaul_abc_abortion-800x430.jpg

“It’s a tragedy. It’s, I think, a mental health crisis,” :lol said McCaul, adding, “I don’t think it would fall under quite the definition of domestic terrorism, although I’ll leave that to the Justice Department to make that determination.”

McCaul, whose ambivalence towards abortion has included opposing federal funding of Planned Parenthood and voting against allowing human embryonic stem cells to be used in research, hasn’t always been so sanguine about terrorism in the U.S.

Previously the Texas lawmaker has warned of “lone wolf” attacks in the U.S., singling out ISIS and saying Americans could be “radicalized” by what they can access on the Internet.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/anti-abortion-head-of-homeland-security-committee-colorado-shooting-was-not-domestic-terrorism/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20TheRawStory%20(The%20Raw%20St ory)

[Quetzal-X]

Christian White Supremist Terrorism

*since 1492

[mingus]

You Lie, false equivalence. The entire GOP is nothing now but a HATE GROUP, spreading fear, paranoia, hate with every fucking pronouncement, each based on LIES.Dems use the same tactics. The problem with the false equivalency argument is it draws a thin/blurry and subjective line between what is acceptable inflammatory rhetoric and what isn't. Instead of picking and choosing what is and isn't acceptable rhetoric based entirely on one's opinion, why not just go after the entire fear-mongering/pandering system that both these parties play?

[boutons_deux]

Dems use the same tactics.

evidence?

[Spurminator]

Thank God boutons finally decided to weigh in, I was so hoping to get his/her take.

[pgardn]

You're quite the psychologist

Thank you.

Here are my credentials as posted earlier:


Animal cruelty, looking in neighbors windows, mumbling to neighbors incoherently, inability to live next to people despite looking in windows, mumbling about baby parts

I will say he cracked as an early guess. I will leave the legal definition of sane out of it and call him crazy. I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist but yeah...
What I will not do is imply he is of the same mental state as the bombers/shooters in Paris. This was implied earlier in the thread and it's just not the same type of persons or events at all. It really is not.

So I will go with crazy. They will attempt to try him as sane you can be sure of that.

[mingus]

evidence?

I already named some in an earlier post.

The Left paints an extremely unfair picture of Repubs as mouth-breathing, gun-toting, Confederate flag-toting, Bible-thumping, homophobic, anti-women, anti-poor, anti-minority, anti-immigrant racists. Which to me is as dangerously distorted a picture of reality as anything the Right has done to Dems.

But I'm not going to get into which is "worse", because it's a stupid. Both uphold a system that based on smearing & mudslinging.

[boutons_deux]

Fox News’ sick OB-GYN fantasy: Now they really want Planned Parenthood patients and doctors to pack heat for protection


http://www.salon.com/2015/12/01/fox_news_sick_ob_gyn_fantasy_now_they_really_want_ planned_parenthood_patients_and_doctors_to_pack_he at_for_protection/

[boutons_deux]

NRA Visits Colorado Police Evidence Room To Check Up On Rifle Used In Planned Parenthood Shooting


http://i.onionstatic.com/onion/5204/1/16x9/1200.jpg

COLORADO SPRINGS, CO—After learning that the gun had been involved in a violent attack that left three dead, National Rifle Association representatives reportedly visited the Colorado Springs Police Department evidence room Monday to check up on the semi-automatic rifle used in Friday’s Planned Parenthood shooting.

“It’s a little shaken up, but it should be okay—thank God,” said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre, who appeared visibly distressed while kneeling down next to the assault-style rifle and gently placing his hand on the stock.

“I’ve just been worried sick since I heard about the incident.

It looks like it was dropped pretty hard, and it’s barely got any bullets left, but at least it’s resting safely now.

I might just sleep here tonight to keep an eye on it.”

LaPierre told reporters that he would do everything he could to help the rifle return home and get back working again soon.

http://www.theonion.com/article/nra-visits-colorado-police-evidence-room-check-rif-51924

[baseline bum]

^ :lol The Onion is awesome

[pgardn]

Sanity Annex with the oiled rags.

[russellgoat]

A bundle of cells killed in a place where other bundles of cells are usually killed. Nothing to see here...

[boutons_deux]

Larry Wilmore’s gutsiest moment yet: Pins Planned Parenthood shooter’s hate squarely on Fox News

"No more baby parts"? Sounds just like "Fox and Friends" -- and Wilmore proves it with clip after clip

http://media.salon.com/2015/12/WilmorePP-620x412.jpg


http://www.salon.com/2015/12/01/larry_wilmores_gutsiest_moment_yet_pins_planned_pa renthood_shooters_hate_squarely_on_fox_news/

[pgardn]

The baby parts stuff was totally irresponsible IMO. But they have every right to complain about Planned Parenthood without being labeled as fueling the deep desires of every anti choice, antiabortion zealot. When these claims are made haphazardly, then any disagreements on almost any subject can be linked to some zealot.

The passion in this debate runs deeper because there really are people that think humans are being killed. You have to understand this even if you know the mother's rights are possibly trampled, and the killing extends to rape, incest and life of the mother via complications. There are inconsistencies. People are passionate about this.

Now there are also people passionate about the death penalty. We might ask why these opponents are not attacking State Facilities where the penalty is being carried out. But immediately Blaming discussion of issues is dangerous IMO. Pointing out intentionally exacerbating violent behavior is not. Beware if you are disingenuously linking speech to a behavior.

Boots you get an automatic exemption as a zealot. You can't be stopped, either can Cluttered Notions. This is a law of the Universe...Allegedly...

[boutons_deux]

Boots you get an automatic exemption as a zealot.

addle-brained, GFY

abortion is VRWC/Repug campaigning topic to sucker in single issue voters (many of whom have had abortions) so they can screw them economically.

[Winehole23]

Sanity Annex with the oiled rags.As in the Larry Wilmore bit (and as with the anti-Muslim hysteria post 9/11/01) there's an argument to be made that the GOP and their dutiful media scribes passed out oiled rags to a cranky and gullible public, with deplorable, highly predictable results.

Absence of causality isn't absence of blame. Rhetorical recklessness and obliviousness to truth can have fatal consequences. Larry Wilmore is right to point a finger at Fox News.

[boutons_deux]

Krazy Kruz, at some event about a murdered cop, said there was a direct line from the dead cop to Obama's words. iow, Obama murdered the cop.

HOW FUCKING EVER

Kruz says there is no connection between (CO) PP shoot 'em ups and extremely inflammatory words by Kruz and other anti-women LYING demagogues, haters, Christian Taliban.

btw, Kruz is attacking Rubio, Kruz planning on picking up Donny T's and brain-damaged's extremist when those two fade away.

[boutons_deux]

It’s not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males


Blaming "mental illness" is a cop-out -- and one that lets us avoid talking about race, guns, hatred and terrorism


http://media.salon.com/2015/06/lanza_roof_rodger-620x412.jpg

We do have statistics (http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_violence.php) showing that the vast majority of people who commit acts of violence do not have a diagnosis of mental illness and, conversely, people who have mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators.

But the media insists on trotting out “mental illness” and blaring out that phrase nonstop in the wake of any mass killing. I had to grit my teeth every time I personally debated someone defaulting to the mindless mantra of “The real issue is mental illness” over the Isla Vista shootings.

“The real issue is mental illness” is a goddamn cop-out. I almost never hear it from actual mental health professionals, or advocates working in the mental health sphere, or anyone who actually has any kind of informed opinion on mental health or serious policy proposals for how to improve our treatment of the mentally ill in this country.

What I hear from people who bleat on about “The real issue is mental illness,” when pressed for specific suggestions on how to deal with said “real issue,” is terrifying nonsense designed to throw the mentally ill under the bus. ****** Rodger’s parents should’ve been able to force risperidone down his throat. Seung-Hui Cho should’ve been forcibly institutionalized. Anyone with a mental illness diagnosis should surrender all (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/21/the-nra-wants-an-active-mental-illness-database-thirty-eight-states-have-that-now/)of their constitutional rights (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/21/the-nra-wants-an-active-mental-illness-database-thirty-eight-states-have-that-now/), right now, rather than at all compromise the right to bear arms of self-declared sane people.

What’s interesting is to watch who the mentally ill people are being thrown under the bus to defend. In the wake of Sandy Hook, the NRA tells us that creating a national registry of firearms owners would be giving the government dangerously unchecked tyrannical power, but a national registry of the mentally ill would not — even though a “sane” person holding a gun is intrinsically more dangerous than a “crazy” person, no matter how crazy, without a gun.

We’ve successfully created a world so topsy-turvy that seeking medical help for depression or anxiety is apparently stronger evidence of violent tendencies than going out and purchasing a weapon whose only purpose is committing acts of violence. We’ve got a narrative going where doing the former is something we’re OK with stigmatizing but not the latter. God bless America.

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/its_not_about_mental_illness_the_big_lie_that_alwa ys_follows_mass_shootings_by_white_males/

infallible signal: if NRA says something, like scapegoating mentally ill for mass murders, the OPPOSITE is true, almost no mass murders are by mentally ill, most mentally ill aren't even prone to any violence, but mass murders are actually sane white men with guns.

[DarrinS]

Lol, Salon

[Trill Clinton]

It’s not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males


Blaming "mental illness" is a cop-out -- and one that lets us avoid talking about race, guns, hatred and terrorism


http://media.salon.com/2015/06/lanza_roof_rodger-620x412.jpg

We do have statistics (http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_violence.php) showing that the vast majority of people who commit acts of violence do not have a diagnosis of mental illness and, conversely, people who have mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators.

But the media insists on trotting out “mental illness” and blaring out that phrase nonstop in the wake of any mass killing. I had to grit my teeth every time I personally debated someone defaulting to the mindless mantra of “The real issue is mental illness” over the Isla Vista shootings.

“The real issue is mental illness” is a goddamn cop-out. I almost never hear it from actual mental health professionals, or advocates working in the mental health sphere, or anyone who actually has any kind of informed opinion on mental health or serious policy proposals for how to improve our treatment of the mentally ill in this country.

What I hear from people who bleat on about “The real issue is mental illness,” when pressed for specific suggestions on how to deal with said “real issue,” is terrifying nonsense designed to throw the mentally ill under the bus. ****** Rodger’s parents should’ve been able to force risperidone down his throat. Seung-Hui Cho should’ve been forcibly institutionalized. Anyone with a mental illness diagnosis should surrender all (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/21/the-nra-wants-an-active-mental-illness-database-thirty-eight-states-have-that-now/)of their constitutional rights (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/21/the-nra-wants-an-active-mental-illness-database-thirty-eight-states-have-that-now/), right now, rather than at all compromise the right to bear arms of self-declared sane people.

What’s interesting is to watch who the mentally ill people are being thrown under the bus to defend. In the wake of Sandy Hook, the NRA tells us that creating a national registry of firearms owners would be giving the government dangerously unchecked tyrannical power, but a national registry of the mentally ill would not — even though a “sane” person holding a gun is intrinsically more dangerous than a “crazy” person, no matter how crazy, without a gun.

We’ve successfully created a world so topsy-turvy that seeking medical help for depression or anxiety is apparently stronger evidence of violent tendencies than going out and purchasing a weapon whose only purpose is committing acts of violence. We’ve got a narrative going where doing the former is something we’re OK with stigmatizing but not the latter. God bless America.

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/its_not_about_mental_illness_the_big_lie_that_alwa ys_follows_mass_shootings_by_white_males/

infallible signal: if NRA says something, like scapegoating mentally ill for mass murders, the OPPOSITE is true, almost no mass murders are by mentally ill, most mentally ill aren't even prone to any violence, but mass murders are actually sane white men with guns.





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http://i65.tinypic.com/n1b66q.pngthis is true.

[boutons_deux]

Lol, Salon

:lol , DarrinS

[Trill Clinton]

Lol, Salon

u posted a dailykos article yesterdayhttp://i65.tinypic.com/n1b66q.png

[Trill Clinton]

fraud king is going HAM:wow

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[DarrinS]

Did Fraud King connect the dots between anti-cop rhetoric and the killing of Deputy Goforth?

[DarrinS]

Obama: "This just doesn't happen in other countries..." -From PARIS

unreal


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFCnAW27d_c

[boutons_deux]

:lol

House Speaker: Colorado shooting shows need for mental health reforms

"The common theme with these kinds of shootings is mental illness," Ryan told a news briefing on Tuesday. "This is not something we should be ignoring. We need to overhaul our mental health system."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/01/us-usa-congress-ryan-idUSKBN0TK51T20151201?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

Ryan's "overhaul" will include CUTTING FUNDING for mental health services. :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

671712501319475200







Is Fraud King as sure of this as he was of hands up don't shoot?

No motive has been revealed is he just making shit up again?

[ChumpDumper]

Obama: "This just doesn't happen in other countries..." -From PARIS

unreal


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFCnAW27d_cWhat abortion clinic was shot up in PARIS, Darrin?

Unreal.

[boutons_deux]

In Wake Of Attack On Planned Parenthood, Conservative Media Hide History Of Violent Rhetoric By Anti-Choice Advocates


Sean Hannity: Anti-Choice Rhetoric Should Not Be Blamed For Shooting Because "Pro-Life By Its Very Name Means You Are Pro-Life."

Radio Host Hugh Hewitt: "I Have Never Met -- Not Once, A Single Pro-Life Activist Who Is In Favor Of Violence Of Any Sort."

Bill O'Reilly: "Planned Parenthood Is In The Baby Body Parts Business, And Deserves Much Of The Harsh Criticism Directed Toward It."

Pro-Life Group American Life League: "It's Acceptable To Violently Kill A Baby, So Why Isn't It Acceptable To Violently Kill Other People?"

Anti-Planned Parenthood Activist Troy Newman Calls For "Executing Convicted Murderers, Including Abortionists For Their Crimes In Order To Expunge Bloodguilt From The Land And People."

Newman Claimed The Killer Of An Abortion Doctor Should Have Been Able To Argue The Slaying Was A "Justifiable Defensive Action."

Life Dynamics Published A "Joke" Booklet That Said "Physicians Who Provide Abortion Care Should Be Shot."

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/12/01/in-wake-of-attack-on-planned-parenthood-conserv/207134

[boutons_deux]

Abortion Opponents Insist The Planned Parenthood Shooting Was Actually A Bank Robbery

Police officers have confirmed (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29172660/colorado-springs-firefighters-respond-active-shooter-at-planned) that “the entire incident took place at the Planned Parenthood clinic.”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/11/28/3726130/planned-parenthood-bank-robbery/

TSA! :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Abortion Opponents Insist The Planned Parenthood Shooting Was Actually A Bank Robbery

Police officers have confirmed (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29172660/colorado-springs-firefighters-respond-active-shooter-at-planned) that “the entire incident took place at the Planned Parenthood clinic.”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/11/28/3726130/planned-parenthood-bank-robbery/

TSA! :lol



First person killed wasn't even in Planned Parenthood per the scanner so I'm simply waiting for more information before jumping to conclusions.

Do you have a link stating his motive?

[ChumpDumper]

First person killed wasn't even in Planned Parenthood per the scanner No report from anyone verifies this days later. At least one victim was taken to the grocery store. Maybe that's what you heard.

[TheSanityAnnex]

No report from anyone verifies this days later. At least one victim was taken to the grocery store. Maybe that's what you heard.

No report has verified anything I am just going off of what I listened to live on the scanner and I heard DOA in parking lot do not attempt med assistance.

I've read a few places that have said initial call was for domestic disturbance but have not seen anything backing that up, haven't seen many details at all tbh. Has there been any contact or interviews with the girl living with him? Was she a victim?

[ChumpDumper]

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Perhaps you can tell us the time you heard this. And a victim doesn't necessarily die the same place he is shot.

Really though, if the guy is just going to kill a bunch of people on Black Friday -- going out of one's way to a Planned Parenthood/Eye Clinic/Hand Surgery Center seems hugely inefficient at best.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Oiwu0Q46ZhI

Perhaps you can tell us the time you heard this. And a victim doesn't necessarily die the same place he is shot.

Really though, if the guy is just going to kill a bunch of people on Black Friday -- going out of one's way to a Planned Parenthood/Eye Clinic/Hand Surgery Center seems hugely inefficient at best.

Sorry don't have speakers at work so I can't. And why is that clip you posted only 30 minutes? I had the scanner on for hours while I was working in my garage.

I'm just not willing to jump on the bandwagon yet until more information comes out, which I haven't seen yet. Do you have some more info I haven't seen concerning where the first person was shot and if it even started at Planned Parenthood or at another facility? Any news on the girl living with him?

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry don't have speakers at work so I can't. And why is that clip you posted only 30 minutes? I had the scanner on for hours while I was working in my garage.The time it starts is clearly indicated. Did you hear where the first victim was located hours later? How would anyone know that?


I'm just not willing to jump on the bandwagon yet until more information comes out, which I haven't seen yet. Do you have some more info I haven't seen concerning where the first person was shot and if it even started at Planned Parenthood or at another facility? Any news on the girl living with him?There is no indication anything happened anywhere other than Planned Parenthood whatsoever. You say differently and you are free to present evidence to back up your claim.

If you're talking about "the parking lot" -- which parking lot? There's not much else close to the SW side of PP other than a parking lot. The arrow on the top left of this picture is pointing north.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2015/11/27/shooting-planned-parenthood/1f02355d04725e6bafa4755364d9c3f0dfc9aa90/wide-looking-west-1050.jpg

Seriously, what other scenario are you entertaining here?

[TheSanityAnnex]

The time it starts is clearly indicated. Did you hear where the first victim was located hours later? How would anyone know that?

There is no indication anything happened anywhere other than Planned Parenthood whatsoever. You say differently and you are free to present evidence to back up your claim.

If you're talking about "the parking lot" -- which parking lot? There's not much else close to the SW side of PP other than a parking lot. The arrow on the top left of this picture is pointing north.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2015/11/27/shooting-planned-parenthood/1f02355d04725e6bafa4755364d9c3f0dfc9aa90/wide-looking-west-1050.jpg

Seriously, what other scenario are you entertaining here?

I just relayed what I heard, nothing more nothing less. I could have heard wrong of course. I am still waiting for someone to post details which I haven't been able to find.

[ChumpDumper]

First person killed wasn't even in Planned Parenthood per the scanner so I'm simply waiting for more information before jumping to conclusions.The civilians killed were both accompanying people to PP. If they were outside the PP building I'm not sure what difference that makes. There just isn't any other reason for a gunman to be in the PP parking lot that I can see.

I'm open to different scenarios -- can you think of anything more plausible than actually targeting PP at this point?

Let me know. I'll jump off the "bandwagon" if you convince me.

[Quetzal-X]

Fucking Devils have mastered the Art of The Mugshot. Gotta make it real "obvious" he's "ill" to avoid real punishment.
Tater'salad lookin motherfucker need to be set up high on some chair and flick that switch. Christian whites WILL always be violent. That fucking cross and that church and honkey jesus need to realize they are fucking terrorists and have always been terrorists. Fuck your church "beliefs" disgusting motherfuckers. Better get out det church Black Man Brown Man before they get any ideas bout your children. These disgusting animal christians will go all out to stop Abortion clinics but will turn a blind eye to the baby child and youngsters getting fucked by their priests and helper devils.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The civilians killed were both accompanying people to PP. If they were outside the PP building I'm not sure what difference that makes. There just isn't any other reason for a gunman to be in the PP parking lot that I can see.

I'm open to different scenarios -- can you think of anything more plausible than actually targeting PP at this point?

Let me know. I'll jump off the "bandwagon" if you convince me.

Were any PP staff killed?

Maybe it started at another location and he took shelter in PP once police showed up?

The most plausible thing is he targeted PP, but nothing concrete has come out yet so I'll continue to wait for that info.

[ChumpDumper]

Were any PP staff killed?No. Two people accompanying friends to PP were killed. One was shot outside and went back into PP to warn the others and they promptly hid themselves.


Maybe it started at another location and he took shelter in PP once police showed up?There is no indication of this whatsoever. Seriously, if you're going to PP to shoot people with a rifle and someone (a big black dude, no less) is outside the building seeing you come up to PP with a rifle, do you think the shooter is just going to try to pass by the big black dude who sees him with a rifle so he can shoot the employees inside? Maybe if he asked politely.

Sorry, I'm still on the "bandwagon."


The most plausible thing is he targeted PP, but nothing concrete has come out yet so I'll continue to wait for that info.What other possibility is plausible at this point?

I'm all ears.

[Quetzal-X]

He was a White Christian Domestic Terrorist Thug. Just say it.

[DarrinS]

Fucking Devils have mastered the Art of The Mugshot. Gotta make it real "obvious" he's "ill" to avoid real punishment.
Tater'salad lookin motherfucker need to be set up high on some chair and flick that switch. Christian whites WILL always be violent. That fucking cross and that church and honkey jesus need to realize they are fucking terrorists and have always been terrorists. Fuck your church "beliefs" disgusting motherfuckers. Better get out det church Black Man Brown Man before they get any ideas bout your children. These disgusting animal christians will go all out to stop Abortion clinics but will turn a blind eye to the baby child and youngsters getting fucked by their priests and helper devils.


Tourette's much?

[Quetzal-X]

He was a White Christian Domestic Terrorist Thug. Just say it.

[ChumpDumper]

He was a White Christian Domestic Terrorist Thug. Just say it.Nothing Christian about this guy tbh.

[Quetzal-X]

Nothing christian about most christians tbf

[boutons_deux]

Nothing Christian about this guy tbh.

his ex-wives said he was hard-core evangelist, believed Christ would forgive him no matter what he did. "killing abortionists for Christ" is very Christian, in murderous, gun-crazy America.

[Quetzal-X]

Being able to do whatever the fuck under the stars, even terror, even fucking babies, even genocide and still be one with the lord is very christian.

[ChumpDumper]

his ex-wives said he was hard-core evangelist, believed Christ would forgive him no matter what he did. "killing abortionists for Christ" is very Christian, in murderous, gun-crazy America.He can say he is anything he wants to. You're painting with the same broad brush folks on the right want to use on Islam.

And that's pretty stupid.

[boutons_deux]

He can say he is anything he wants to. You're painting with the same broad brush folks on the right want to use on Islam.

And that's pretty stupid.

nope, killing for Christ is exactly same as killing for Allah

btw, Rubio said it's all cool, no worries, God wants it all to happen, got everything under control, sitting on His/Her/Its throne up in heaven.

[ChumpDumper]

nope, killing for Christ is exactly same as killing for Allah

btw, Rubio said it's all cool, no worries, God wants it all to happen, got everything under control, sitting on His/Her/Its throne up in heaven.Do you talk like this to people in real life?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not letting me quote for some reason Chump so can't go point by point answering. Basically I just found it odd he didn't kill any staff from PP if that was indeed what he was targeting.

[ChumpDumper]

Not letting me quote for some reason Chump so can't go point by point answering. Basically I just found it odd he didn't kill any staff from PP if that was indeed what he was targeting.So you think he was specifically targeting people who were accompanying others to PP since those were the only civilians who died?

Again, what else are you saying he could have possibly been targeting?

List the scenarios. If you have doubts it was PP, you have to think it was something else. Tell us what you think.

I'm ready to jump on your bandwagon.

[Clipper Nation]

^ :lol The Onion is awesome
Boutards thinks it's a real news outlet, just like that guy from FIFA :lol

[Spurminator]

The fact that he was mumbling about baby parts afterward probably eliminates the chance that this was a random place. The very mention of "baby parts" indicates that he was at least partially motivated by the slander campaign against PP.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So you think he was specifically targeting people who were accompanying others to PP since those were the only civilians who died?

Again, what else are you saying he could have possibly been targeting?

List the scenarios. If you have doubts it was PP, you have to think it was something else. Tell us what you think.

I'm ready to jump on your bandwagon.

I said I was waiting for the facts to come out with his actual motive.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The fact that he was mumbling about baby parts afterward probably eliminates the chance that this was a random place. The very mention of "baby parts" indicates that he was at least partially motivated by the slander campaign against PP.

The whole baby parts rumbling was from ONE anonymous source from NBC that every other news outlet has run with.

[ChumpDumper]

I said I was waiting for the facts to come out with his actual motive.I'm not asking you for his actual motive.

I'm asking you what you personally think are plausible alternatives to what I think happened given the facts we know.

[boutons_deux]

The whole baby parts rumbling was from ONE anonymous source from NBC that every other news outlet has run with.

Authorities have not released more information about an official motive for the shooting. Planned Parenthood advocates have attributed the shooting to pro-life abortion rhetoric, a connection many Republican presidential candidates havedisputed (http://theweek.com/speedreads/591324/gop-candidates-condemn-planned-parenthood-shooting-defend-prolife-rhetoric).
Formal charges against Dear are set to be filed Dec. 9.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/591512/robert-dear-charged-firstdegree-murder-planned-parenthood-shooting

[ChumpDumper]

The whole baby parts rumbling was from ONE anonymous source from NBC that every other news outlet has run with.Great, then why else would he be at PP with a gun and propane tanks?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Great, then why else would he be at PP with a gun and propane tanks?
I've already said PP was the most plausible target. Why are you bothered that I'm willing to wait for official information to come out before declaring PP was the target?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Authorities have not released more information about an official motive for the shooting. Planned Parenthood advocates have attributed the shooting to pro-life abortion rhetoric, a connection many Republican presidential candidates havedisputed (http://theweek.com/speedreads/591324/gop-candidates-condemn-planned-parenthood-shooting-defend-prolife-rhetoric).
Formal charges against Dear are set to be filed Dec. 9.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/591512/robert-dear-charged-firstdegree-murder-planned-parenthood-shooting

Do you have a point to this post? I can't see how this contributes in any way.

[ChumpDumper]

I've already said PP was the most plausible target. Why are you bothered that I'm willing to wait for official information to come out before declaring PP was the target?I'm simply asking you what other possibilities you think might be plausible knowing what we now know.

If you can't think of even one alternative plausible possibility, just say so.

[Spurminator]

The whole baby parts rumbling was from ONE anonymous source from NBC that every other news outlet has run with.

CNN's report says a law enforcement official told CNN he spoke of baby parts. http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/29/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/

[TheSanityAnnex]

CNN's report says a law enforcement official told CNN he spoke of baby parts. http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/29/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/

ChumpDumper posted the NBC link early on in this thread that everyone has run with, including CNN. It's the same anonymous source. When a named official on the case comes out and says this I'll take it at face face value, until then meh

[Spurminator]

ChumpDumper posted the NBC link early on in this thread that everyone has run with, including CNN. It's the same anonymous source. When a named official on the case comes out and says this I'll take it at face face value, until then meh

That's fair, but a law enforcement official speaking anonymously to several media outlets is a lot more reliable than a random anonymous source.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm simply asking you what other possibilities you think might be plausible knowing what we now know.

If you can't think of even one alternative plausible possibility, just say so.
Lay out the facts for me. Do you know where exactly the first shots were fired and where the first person was shot? Who was the first person shot? Has the girl he was living with been interviewed? Was she there? In order to lay out some alternatives I'll need you to tell me exactly "what we now know".

[Splits]

As in the Larry Wilmore bit (and as with the anti-Muslim hysteria post 9/11/01) there's an argument to be made that the GOP and their dutiful media scribes passed out oiled rags to a cranky and gullible public, with deplorable, highly predictable results.

Absence of causality isn't absence of blame. Rhetorical recklessness and obliviousness to truth can have fatal consequences. Larry Wilmore is right to point a finger at Fox News.

I'd argue there's some anti-Muslim hysteria still going on...



Man shouts ‘all Muslims are terrorists’ towards Muslim speaker at town hall meeting

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/matt-payton-headshot.png?w=40&h=40&crop=1 (http://metro.co.uk/author/matthewpayton89/)Matt Payton for Metro.co.uk (http://metro.co.uk/author/matthewpayton89/)Friday 20 Nov 2015 1:00 p

A public meeting to discuss the building of a mosque descended into chaos after a man started shouting at a Muslim speaker.

Samer Shalaby, a civil engineer, was speaking to residents of Fredericksburg, Virginia, about the Islamic community’s need to build a new mosque – as they have outgrown their current building.

During his talk, a member of the audience began to shout and gesticulate at him: ‘All Muslims are terrorists. I’ll do everything in my power to make sure that does not happen.’
The man’s remarks were received with cheers and claps by the crowd.

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/racist-abuse.jpg

He continued: ‘We don’t want it because you are terrorists. Every one of you are terrorists.

‘I don’t care what you say. You can smile at me. You can say whatever you want, but every Muslim is a terrorist.’

A local Sheriff’s deputy broke up the meeting after it became obvious the abuse would not stop.

Mr Shalaby told wusa9 (http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/2015/11/18/hate-speech-closes-spotsylvania-public-meeting/76027308/): ‘It just kept getting worse and worse. People were pointing fingers and waiving arms’.


Video: http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/20/man-shouts-all-muslims-are-terrorists-towards-muslim-speaker-at-town-hall-meeting-5514908/

[boutons_deux]

I'd argue there's some anti-Muslim hysteria still going on...

Video: http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/20/man-shouts-all-muslims-are-terrorists-towards-muslim-speaker-at-town-hall-meeting-5514908/

fat skinhead with beard and black tee shirt, You Stay Classy Racist Repugs

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's fair, but a law enforcement official speaking anonymously to several media outlets is a lot more reliable than a random anonymous source.Here the original quote where this all started that every network ran with. Sorry if I don't take two anonymous law enforcement sources who aren't even working the case as fact. Again, I will wait for an official statement from someone actually working the case.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...e-baby-n470706

In one statement, made after the suspect was taken in for questioning, Dear said "no more baby parts" in reference to Planned Parenthood, two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case told NBC News.

But the sources stressed that Dear said many things to law enforcement and the extent to which the "baby parts" remark played into any decision to target the Planned Parenthood office was not yet clear. He also mentioned President Barack Obama in statements.

[ChumpDumper]

Lay out the facts for me. Do you know where exactly the first shots were fired and where the first person was shot? Who was the first person shot? Has the girl he was living with been interviewed? Was she there? In order to lay out some alternatives I'll need you to tell me exactly "what we now know".If you don't know something, it isn't part of what you know.

Use what you know now.

This is all I'm asking of you. It's not difficult at all and there is no trick to this -- so no need to stonewall.

[TheSanityAnnex]

If you don't know something, it isn't part of what you know.

Use what you know now.

This is all I'm asking of you. It's not difficult at all and there is no trick to this -- so no need to stonewall.

In order to lay out some alternatives I'll need you to tell me exactly "what we now know".

[ChumpDumper]

In order to lay out some alternatives I'll need you to tell me exactly "what we now know".Everything you know.

You know everything you know about this. So stop stonewalling.

[boutons_deux]

Do you talk like this to people in real life?

Marco Rubio: 9/11 terror attacks were part of God’s plan for the universe
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/marco-rubio-911-terror-attacks-were-part-of-gods-plan-for-the-universe/

[ChumpDumper]

Marco Rubio: 9/11 terror attacks were part of God’s plan for the universe
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/marco-rubio-911-terror-attacks-were-part-of-gods-plan-for-the-universe/Well do you?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Everything you know.

You know everything you know about this. So stop stonewalling.

I don't know much at all, not many facts have come out that is why I haven't been speculating like everyone else here.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know much at all, not many facts have come out that is why I haven't been speculating like everyone else here.So speculate.

It's not a crime.

Just present a plausible alternative given everything you know.

If you can't think of a plausible alternative at all, just say so. That is not a crime either.

[spurraider21]

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http://i65.tinypic.com/n1b66q.pngthis is true.
i thought conservatives (including ridiculous jeebotard mike huckabee) did call it an act of terror...

going into a public space and shooting random people (like movie theaters) which are seemingly purposeless, are likely the result of being mentally deranged. when you kill somebody you know, or rival gang members (aka you know exactly who/why you are killing), etc, that's a completely different category. i think the cops who kill fall under this category, they know exactly what they're doing.

imo, the guy in this case knew what he was doing

[TheSanityAnnex]

So speculate.

It's not a crime.

Just present a plausible alternative given everything you know.

If you can't think of a plausible alternative at all, just say so. That is not a crime either.
I'm so sorry it bothers you so much that I don't want to speculate.

[Spurminator]

I'm so sorry it bothers you so much that I don't want to speculate.

Congrats on your new-found skepticism.


It's no coincidence BLM members called for the killing of cops and then suddenly a spree of cops are killed.

[TheSanityAnnex]

knowing what we now know.



You never clarified and laid out the facts. What exactly do we now know?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Congrats on your new-found skepticism.

So it was just coincidence that is okay I'm fine admitting I was wrong. Thanks for looking out bro :bobo

[pgardn]

The baby parts stuff was totally irresponsible IMO. But they have every right to complain about Planned Parenthood without being labeled as fueling the deep desires of every anti choice, antiabortion zealot. When these claims are made haphazardly, then any disagreements on almost any subject can be linked to some zealot.

The passion in this debate runs deeper because there really are people that think humans are being killed. You have to understand this even if you know the mother's rights are possibly trampled, and the killing extends to rape, incest and life of the mother via complications. There are inconsistencies. People are passionate about this.

Now there are also people passionate about the death penalty. We might ask why these opponents are not attacking State Facilities where the penalty is being carried out. But immediately Blaming discussion of issues is dangerous IMO. Pointing out intentionally exacerbating violent behavior is not. Beware if you are disingenuously linking speech to a behavior.

Boots you get an automatic exemption as a zealot. You can't be stopped, either can Cluttered Notions. This is a law of the Universe...Allegedly...

So is there anyway to speak out against Planned Parenthood without inciting violence?

[Spurminator]

So it was just coincidence that is okay I'm fine admitting I was wrong. Thanks for looking out bro :bobo

:bobo

[Spurminator]

So is there anyway to speak out against Planned Parenthood without inciting violence?

I think they start by removing things like "mass murder" and "holocaust" from their position.

There are plenty of pro-lifers who take the position of trying to help pregnant women find supportive, alternative options to abortion.

[pgardn]

I think they start by removing things like "mass murder" and "holocaust" from their position.

There are plenty of pro-lifers who take the position of trying to help pregnant women find supportive, alternative options to abortion.

I don't really watch FOX so I don't know what they have been spouting. I was familiar with the selling baby parts misrepresentation

[Spurminator]

I don't really watch FOX so I don't know what they have been spouting. I was familiar with the selling baby parts misrepresentation

I only know what I see shared on my social media feeds by people I haven't gotten around to unfollowing.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I think they start by removing things like "mass murder" and "holocaust" from their position.

There are plenty of pro-lifers who take the position of trying to help pregnant women find supportive, alternative options to abortion.

Let me get this straight Spurm. When BLM marches and chants to "kill cops" and cops are killed it is just coincidence, but when a Republican refers to PP as "mass murderers" and someone shoots up PP it is because of that position and it is not coincidence?
I may have bobo'd you too soon

[ChumpDumper]

You never clarified and laid out the facts. What exactly do we now know?I revised that and said use what you know.

You know exactly what you know.

You're just stonewalling now.

It's OK to admit you have no plausible alternative. No need to be ashamed.

[Spurminator]

Let me get this straight Spurm. When BLM marches and chants to "kill cops" and cops are killed it is just coincidence, but when a Republican refers to PP as "mass murderers" and someone shoots up PP it is because of that position and it is not coincidence?
I may have bobo'd you too soon

There's a lot here and I have to go. But quickly:

First, you'll have to link to the videos you're talking about where they're chanting to "kill cops." I've seen one, supposedly recorded from an apartment window in NY, and I absolutely question that one's legitimacy. If that kind of chant was really happening in the streets of NYC, someone would have recorded it at ground level.

Second, the cop killings you referenced in the other thread were quantifiably unrelated to #BLM protests.

Most importantly, there's a huge difference between a political leader spouting that kind of rhetoric, and supposed members of a "movement" doing it. Anyone can show up to a protest. Anyone can use a hashtag on their Twitter account. Individuals don't speak for an entire movement, and I haven't seen anything from the mainstream majority of the #BLM movement to suggest violence against cops is part of their agenda.

I do think hateful rhetoric targeting law enforcement is dangerous. Fuck anyone who says violence against cops is an answer. But a #FuckYoFlag twitter account with 600 followers is not even in the same ballpark as Mike Huckabee.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I revised that and said use what you know.

You know exactly what you know.

You're just stonewalling now.

It's OK to admit you have no plausible alternative. No need to be ashamed.
I admitted I don't know much and didn't want to speculate based on what little I know. I've asked you multiple times what you know as you seem to have greater knowledge of what happened. Why do you refuse to share what you know are facts? What have you learned that makes you positive he went there to shoot up PP?

[ChumpDumper]

I admitted I don't know much and didn't want to speculate based on what little I know. I've asked you multiple times what you know as you seem to have greater knowledge of what happened. Why do you refuse to share what you know are facts? What have you learned that makes you positive he went there to shoot up PP?So you want to speculate based on what I know?

CROFL.

Disingenuous.

I haven't heard, seen or read anything to make me think any other scenario is plausible.

Period.

Something new could come up to change my mind, but your failure to present an alternative scenario based on the knowledge you demand from me has only made me laugh at you for a few hours.

[TheSanityAnnex]

There's a lot here and I have to go. But quickly:

First, you'll have to link to the videos you're talking about where they're chanting to "kill cops." I've seen one, supposedly recorded from an apartment window in NY, and I absolutely question that one's legitimacy. If that kind of chant was really happening in the streets of NYC, someone would have recorded it at ground level.

Second, the cop killings you referenced in the other thread were quantifiably unrelated to #BLM protests.

Most importantly, there's a huge difference between a political leader spouting that kind of rhetoric, and supposed members of a "movement" doing it. Anyone can show up to a protest. Anyone can use a hashtag on their Twitter account. Individuals don't speak for an entire movement, and I haven't seen anything from the mainstream majority of the #BLM movement to suggest violence against cops is part of their agenda.

I do think hateful rhetoric targeting law enforcement is dangerous. Fuck anyone who says violence against cops is an answer. But a #FuckYoFlag twitter account with 600 followers is not even in the same ballpark as Mike Huckabee.

What proof is there that the shooting at PP is quantifiably related to Mike Huckabee's comments?

[TheSanityAnnex]

So you want to speculate based on what I know?

CROFL.

Disingenuous.

I don't want to speculate period. I am searching for facts and haven't found much. Why do you continue to refuse to share what facts you supposedly know?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't want to speculate period. I am searching for facts and haven't found much. Why do you continue to refuse to share what facts you supposedly know?You can assume that everything I know I have posted already. That won't change the fact that you have pussed out and stonewalled for hours when all you had to say is "I can think of no plausible alternative at this time."

Go ahead -- say it.

"I can think of no plausible alternative at this time."

Just like that. It's that easy.

Give it a shot.