5th REPUG "debate"

[boutons_deux]

warm up:

Spectacle is part of every political campaign. But in the Republican primary during 2015, the spectacle subsumed the campaign.

It was a year that defied parody, analysis or understanding. Comments that in other years would be fodder for negative ads rocketed candidates to the top of the polls.

Here’s a look at 49 things that Republican candidates actually said in 2015:

Cruz: People who believe in climate science are “flat earthers.” I’m Galileo.



“I believe in following evidence and data. On the global warming alarmists, anyone who actually points to the evidence that disproves their apocalyptical claims, they don’t engage in reasoned debate. What do they do? They scream, ‘You’re a denier!’ They brand you a heretic. Today the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat-earthers (http://www.texastribune.org/2015/03/24/ted-cruz-texas-tribune-interview/). You know it used to be: ‘It is accepted scientific wisdom the Earth is flat.’ And this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier.”


Rubio: Rape victims should be forced to bring their pregnancy to term

Trump: To defeat ISIS, we need to kill more women and children


“We’re fighting a very politically correct war. And the other thing is with the terrorists,you have to take out their families (http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/12/03/3727303/donald-trump-kill-isis-family-members/). They, they care about their lives. Don’t kid yourself. But they say they don’t care about their lives. You have to take out their families.”


Carson: The Egyptians built the pyramids to store grain


“[T]he pyramids were made in a way that they had hermetically sealed compartments….You would need that if you were trying to preserve grain (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ben-carsons-unusual-theory-about-pyramids/) for a long period of time.”


Jeb: “Hell yeah” I would kill baby Hitler


“Hell yeah (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeb-bush-on-killing-baby-hitler_5640e1b6e4b0411d3071da54), I would. You gotta step up, man.”

Huckabee: Poor people should be sold into slavery for stealing


Radio host: “It says, if a person steals, they have to pay it back two-fold, four-fold. If they don’t have anything, we’re supposed to take them down and sell them (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/15/3712684/mike-huckabee-slavery/)… We indenture them and they have to spend their time not sitting on their stump in a jail cell, they’re supposed to be working off the debt. Wouldn’t that be a better choice?”

Huckabee: “Well, it really would be. Sometimes the best way to deal with a nonviolent criminal behavior is what you just suggested.”


Santorum: I’ve taken on the “ladies of The View.” Therefore, I can defeat ISIS.

Jeb: I’m not sure we should spend half-a-billion on “women’s health issues.”


“The argument against this is, well women’s health issues, you’re attacking, it’s a war on women, and you’re attacking women’s health issues. You could take dollar for dollar, although I’m not sure we need a half a billion dollars for women’s health issues (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/08/04/3688072/jeb-bush-southern-baptist-convention/), but if you took dollar for dollar there are many extraordinary fine organizations, community health organizations, that exist to provide quality care for women on wide variety of health issues.”

Cruz: Black Lives Matter protesters are “literally suggesting and embracing and celebrating the murder of police officers.”


“If you look at the Black Lives Matter movement, one of the most disturbing things is more than one of their protests have embraced rabid rhetoric, rabid anti-police language, literally suggesting and embracing and celebrating the murder of police officers (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/14/3712373/ted-cruz-black-lives-matter/). That is disgraceful.”


Carson: Syrian refugees are like “rabid dogs”


“For instance, you know, if there is a rabid dog (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/19/3724104/carson-syrian-refugees-rabid-dogs/) running around your neighborhood, you’re probably not going to assume something good about that dog, and you’re probably gonna put your children out of the way. Doesn’t mean that you hate all dogs by any stretch of the imagination. By the same token, we have to have in place screening mechanisms that allow us to determine who the mad dogs are, quite frankly.”


Trump: Jews are not going to support me because I don’t want their money

Christie: The United States should reject “orphans under five” coming from Syria


“The fact is that we need appropriate vetting, and I don’t think orphans under five should be admitted (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/17/3722969/christie-orphan-refugees/) into the United States at this point.”


Fiorina to a dog: “President Obama ate one of your cousins”

Cruz: Barack Obama is “the world’s leading financier of radical Islamic terrorism”


“If this deal is consummated, it will make the Obama administration the world’s leading financier of radical Islamic terrorism (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/ted-cruz-calls-barack-obama-sponsor-terrorism-iran-nuclear-deal-120780#ixzz3uLz4jMsK). Billions of dollars under control of this administration will flow into the hands of jihadists who will use that money to murder Americans, to murder Israelis, to murder Europeans.”


Trump: Mass shootings are inevitable because the people who commit them are “geniuses”


“No matter what you do, you’re gonna have problems. Because you have sick people. They happen to be intelligent. And, you know, they can be sick as hell and they’re geniuses (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-mass-killers-theyre-geniuses-in-a-certain-way/) in a certain way. They are going to be able to break the system.”


Paul: Income inequality is due to rich people “working harder”


“The thing is, income inequality is due to some people working harder (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/08/10/3689811/rand-paul-work-harder/) and selling more things, so if people voluntarily buy more of your stuff, you’ll have more money. It’s a fallacious notion to say, ‘oh well rich people get more money back in a tax cut.’ If you cut taxes ten percent, ten percent of a million is more than ten percent of $1,000.”


Rubio: Politically, the Paris attacks were a “positive development” because they created a “political advantage” for Republicans


“I obviously am not happy about the events that happened last week in Paris. But I think it’s a positive development (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/marco-rubio-paris-attacks-political-advantage) that it suddenly has forced Americans to confront more carefully the issue of national security because it is the most important thing a President will do and it is the most important function of the federal government.”


Trump: My fans were right to beat up a Black Lives Matter protester


“Maybe he should have been roughed up (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/22/3724879/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-protester-beating/). It was disgusting what he was doing.”


Jeb: Let’s let in only Christian refugees, screen them by last name


“[Y]ou can tell when someone is a Christian (http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/jeb-bush-christian-refugees-are-identifiable-by-name-birth-c?utm_term=.yw5Z4Rx9W#.xdDXvL1WR) in the Middle East… I can promise you that. By name, by where they’re born, their birth certificates. There are ample means by which to know this.”


Trump: The inaccurate, racist murder statistics I tweeted came from a “very credible source.”


“I retweeted somebody that was supposedly an expert and it was also a radio show…It came from sources that are very credible, what can I tell you. (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/23/3725268/trump-defends-tweeting-fabricated-racist-murder-statistics-it-came-from-a-very-credible-source/)“


Carson: I’m “still waiting for the evidence” that there is racial bias in policing

“I’m not aware of a lot of cases where a police officer comes up to someone like you and says ‘Hey, I don’t like you. I’m going to shoot you. I’m still waiting for the evidence. (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/21/3724836/ben-carson-allen-university/)”

Trump: Megyn Kelly asked me tough questions because she had “blood coming out of her whatever”

Rubio: “God’s rules” should Trump Supreme Court decisions on marriage equality

Cruz: Climate scientists are “cooking the books,” just like Enron


“They’re cooking the books (http://time.com/3981623/ted-cruz-climate-change/). They’re actually adjusting the numbers. Enron used to do their books the same way.”


Carson: A robber stuck a “gun in my ribs” at Popeyes and I directed them to “the guy behind the counter.”


“I have had a gun held on me when I was in a Popeye’s organization. Guy comes in, put the gun in my ribs. And I just said, ‘I believe that you want the guy behind the counter (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/ben-carson-guns-hold-up-popeyes/).'”

[boutons_deux]

Jeb: I won’t offer African-Americans “free stuff” to win their votes


“Our message is one of hope and aspiration. It isn’t one of division and get in line and we’ll take care of you with free stuff (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/25/3705520/jeb-bush-says-hell-win-the-african-american-vote-with-hope-not-free-stuff/).
Our message is one that is uplifting — that says you can achieve earned success.”


Trump: There should be a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States”

Carson: Jews could have stopped the Holocaust if Germany didn’t have gun control


“German citizens were disarmed (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-carson-holocaust-gun-control_5616a7aee4b0082030a185c2) by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler’s regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior … Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.”


Trump: Ben Carson has a lot in common with child molesters

Christie: I’m not “relying on any scientists” to inform my views on climate change


“It’s not a crisis. The climate’s been changing forever and it will always change… That’s my feeling. I didn’t say I was relying on any scientists (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/12/01/3726942/chris-christie-scientists-climate-change-feeling/). I don’t see evidence that it’s a crisis.”


Cruz: I Heard The Planned Parenthood Shooter Was A “Transgendered Leftist Activist”


“It’s also been reported that he was registered as an independent and a woman and atransgendered leftist activist (https://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/29/cruz-condemns-planned-parenthood-shooting-colorado/). If that’s what he is, I don’t think it’s fair to blame on the rhetoric on the left. This is a murderer.”


Huckabee: Anti-gay clerk Kim Davis reminds me of Abraham Lincoln


“Look, you would have hated Lincoln (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/03/3698408/huckabee-kim-davis-is-noble-like-lincoln/), because he disregarded the Dred Scott 1857 decision that said black people aren’t fully human. [Lincoln] disregarded [Dred Scott] because he knew it was not operative, that it was not logical.”


Carson: Women who have abortion are like slaveholders


“Think about this. During slavery (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/25/3715892/carson-abortion-slavery/) — and I know that’s one of those words you’re not supposed to say, but I’m saying it. During slavery, a lot of the slaveowners thought that they had the right to do whatever they wanted to that slave. Anything that they chose to do. And, you know, what if the abolitionists had said “I don’t believe in slavery, I think it’s wrong, but you guys do whatever you want to do.” Where would we be?”


Trump: I’d consider dating my daughter if he wasn’t married and her father


“Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-seriously-20150909?page=13) …”


Huckabee: MLK Jr. would be “appalled” by the Black Lives Matter movement

Jeb: Planned Parenthood is not “doing women’s health”


“I don’t think Planned Parenthood should actually get a penny because they’re notdoing women’s health issues (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/08/25/3695000/jeb-bush-planned-parenthood/)”


Carson: My plan to defeat ISIS is to “make them look like losers”


We’re talking about global jihadists, and their desire is to destroy us and to destroy our way of life. So we have to be saying, how do we make them look like losers (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/10/3721419/ben-carson-isis-debate)? That’s the way they’re able to gather a lot of influence, and I think in order to make them look like losers, we have to destroy their caliphate.


Rubio: The government should shut down mosques and “any place where radicals are being inspired”


“It’s not about closing down mosques. It’s about closing down any place — whether it’s a cafe, a diner, an internet site — any place where radicals are being inspired (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/20/3724509/rubio-trump-shut-down-mosques/). The bigger problem we have is our inability to find out where these places are, because we’ve crippled our intelligence programs, both through unauthorized disclosures by a traitor, in Edward Snowden, or by some of the things this president has put in place with the support even of some from my own party to diminish our intelligence capabilities.”


Santorum: I’m more qualified to talk about climate change than The Pope because I’m a politician


Fox News: If he’s not a scientist — and in fact, he does have a degree in chemistry — neither are you? So, I guess the question would be, if he shouldn’t talk about it, should you?
Santorum: Politicians, whether we like it or not, people in government have to make decisions (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/07/3666980/santorum-climate-change-science-not-settled/) with regard to public policy that affect American workers… I’m saying, what should the pope use his moral authority for? I think there are more pressing problems confronting the earth than climate change.


Trump: Jeb Bush should “should really set the example by speaking English while in the United States.”


“I like Jeb. He’s a nice man. But he should really set the example by speaking English while in the United States (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/02/3698089/america-is-only-great-in-english/).”



Christie: Protests against racism on college campuses are “a product of the president’s own unwillingness and inability to bring people together”


“I think part of this is a product of the president’s own unwillingness and inability to bring people together (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/12/3721574/christie-obama-lawlessness/). When people think justice is not applied evenly and fairly, they take matters into their own hands. The lawlessness that the president has allowed to exist in this country just absolutely strips people of hope. Our administration would stand for the idea that justice is not just a word, but it’s a way of life. Laws will be applied evenly, fairly, and without bias to everyone.”


Trump: I might have put the Japanese in internment camps during WWII


“I would have had to be there at the time to tell you, to give you a proper answer. I certainly hate the concept of it. But I would have had to be there at the time to give you a proper answer. It’s a tough thing. It’s tough. But you know war is tough (http://time.com/4140050/donald-trump-muslims-japanese-internment/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter). And winning is tough. We don’t win anymore. We don’t win wars anymore. We don’t win wars anymore. We’re not a strong country anymore. We’re just so off.”


Carson: Boycott Hollywood to solve the problems in black urban communities


“The idea that disrupting and protesting Bernie Sanders speeches will change what is wrong in America is lunacy. The ‘BlackLivesMatter’ movement is focused on the wrong targets, to the detriment of blacks who would like to see real change and to the benefit of its powerful white liberal funders using the attacks on Sanders for political purposes that mean nothing for the problems that face our community.
…Let’s confront the entertainment industry (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/24/blacklivesmatter-sanders-clinton-anger-column/32055507/) that lines its pockets by glamorizing a life where black men are thugs and our women are trash. Let’s tell them we plan to start talking with our wallets… Straight Outta Compton, #1 in movie theaters, is just the latest example. You only have to watch the trailers.”


Trump: I can’t “wash my hair properly” because of EPA regulations


“I’ll give you one regulation. So I build, and I build a lot of stuff. And I go into areas where they have tremendous water… And you have sinks where the water doesn’t come out… You have showers where I can’t wash my hair properly (http://time.com/4146809/donald-trump-epa-water-hair/), it’s a disaster!… It’s true. They [the showerheads] have restrictors put in. The problem is you stay under the shower for five times as long.”


Kasich: Mass shootings the result of loneliness, not guns


“I don’t think gun control would solve this problem. The deeper issue is alienation. The deeper issue is loneliness (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/06/3709493/kasich-says-mass-shootings-caused-by-loneliness-not-easy-gun-access/).”


Trump: We should “absolutely” register all Muslims in a database

Trump on Carly Fiorina: “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that?”


“Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-seriously-20150909?page=13) Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?! I mean, she’s a woman, and I’m not s’posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?”


Fiorina: There is a video of Planned Parenthood harvesting the brain of a living fetus on a table


“I dare Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, to watch these tapes. Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says, ‘We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/planned-parenthood-carly-fiorina-debate-lying-213794#ixzz3uPv2swa0)“


Trump: We should “strongly consider” shutting down mosques

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/12/15/3732161/49-things-republican-presidential-candidates-actually-said-in-2015/

[rmt]

Well, still a lot more interesting than the Dems' debate (all buried on Saturday nights).

[SnakeBoy]

Fiorina to a dog: “President Obama ate one of your cousins”

lol

[boutons_deux]

Well, still a lot more interesting than the Dems' debate (all buried on Saturday nights).

yeah, thats wasserman-shultz protecting Hillary

but the Dem debates were actually substantive, unlike the Repug farces

[Reck]

Santorum is a tool. We're in war war 3. :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

I thought you were watching The Voice tonight boo.

[RD2191]

Crofl. Who is this old faggot that's talking? ISIS wants to kill your family! Fuck, Americans are idiots. The fear mongering is fucking ridiculous.

[RD2191]

:lmaowhat the fuck. This old white faggot melting down.

[DMX7]

I won't be watching. These debates are boring to me now.

[Fabbs]

[SIZE=3][FONT=arial]warm up:
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Spectacle is part of every political campaign. But in the Republican primary during 2015, the spectacle subsumed the campaign.

How to twist headlines enough to distort what was said in order to meet objective.

[pgardn]

Jesus F'N....

Cruz actually said:

are the equivalent of the flat-earthers (http://www.texastribune.org/2015/03/24/ted-cruz-texas-tribune-interview/). You know it used to be: ‘It is accepted scientific wisdom the Earth is flat.’ And this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier.”



This is pure bs. It was the possibility that the Earth was not the center of everything, it was the possibility that planets orbited the sun, that freaked the Catholic Church out. Cruz would have been right there with the inquisition into Galileo's heretical nature.

I seriously despise this man much more than Trump.

[Th'Pusher]

Omg. We're all going to die!!!!

[Splits]

I would vote for Kool before any of these fools. I can't believe people can listen to this and actually be like, "hmmm, which one? they are all so appealing!"

Calling them clowns is an insult to clowns everywhere.

And shame on CNN. The line of questioning is horrendous, like they are speaking another language.

[boutons_deux]

here's real time dynamic graph of how people are feeling:

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/gopdebate?source=fsup

[Splits]

here's real time dynamic graph of how people are feeling:

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/gopdebate?source=fsup

Link isn't working.

Is it this: http://i.imgur.com/pcy5gez.jpg

or this: http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article465799.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/DFBF7D70-C293-010A-CB0A13B014CAB2C7.jpg

[InRareForm]

Lol these dudes are a joke

[TheGreatYacht]

Trump getting bukkake'd by his own party :lmao

:lol @ you 4chan nerds who support him

[ElNono]

Hopefully when they have the presidential debate between any of these guys and shillary, the building collapses on them...

holy shit, worst candidates ever?

[ElNono]

I think that Fiorina closeup just broke my HDTV...

[baseline bum]

Hopefully when they have the presidential debate between any of these guys and shillary, the building collapses on them...

holy shit, worst candidates ever?

http://guprogressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gore-bush.jpg

[Reck]

LMAO Trump is about to cry..literally.

Mommy he's bullying me. :cry

[ElNono]

http://guprogressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gore-bush.jpg

I don't know about that... I'll rank them with dubya-kerry... but this time around it's just completely unappealing in every way

[pgardn]

Rubio against Cruz, Bush against Trump, Christie against Paul

And Fiorina, Carson just trying to say anything.

[ElNono]

in before :cry moderators were meanies :cry

[pgardn]

in before :cry moderators were meanies :cry

They can't get some of these quacks to shut up.

[ElNono]

I just can't believe the GOP after the last two presidential elections didn't learn shit and is gonna let shillary win...

[ElNono]

damn, Rand going innnnnn on fatso

[baseline bum]

I don't know about that... I'll rank them with dubya-kerry... but this time around it's just completely unappealing in every way

That pretty much describes 2000. Gore is the phoniest motherfucker I have ever seen run for president and Bush was Cheney's puppet. Unless the Republicans nominate Cruz or Santorum it doesn't get worse than 2000.

[pgardn]

Bush actually got under Trump's skin.

[ElNono]

That pretty much describes 2000. Gore is the phoniest motherfucker I have ever seen run for president and Bush was Cheney's puppet. Unless the Republicans nominate Cruz or Santorum it doesn't get worse than 2000.

Yeah, but that's hindsight... I remember Bush looked good during the campaign, considering his dad was a fairly reasonable president.

These guys all suck from a mile away... it's mostly watching for the lols.

If Trump goes independent and basically kills the party... :lmao

[Reck]

Trump gets so outclass when it comes to solving the real issues is not even funny.

Dude does nothing but defer when hit with a real hard hitting question.

[Fabbs]

Am i the only one just now noticing Rubios huge ears?
They're bigger then Spoks.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, but that's hindsight... I remember Bush looked good during the campaign, considering his dad was a fairly reasonable president.

These guys all suck from a mile away... it's mostly watching for the lols.

If Trump goes independent and basically kills the party... :lmao

Bush never looked good in the campaign to me, but since he wasn't your governor maybe you didn't know what a fuckhead he was. It's not hindsight either, it was clear he was going to be in over his head and lean on Cheney.

[Fabbs]

Trump gets so outclass when it comes to solving the real issues is not even funny.

Dude does nothing but defer when hit with a real hard hitting question.
Exactly.
Nuclear? "We need to be very careful."
Wow, that's deep.

Cyber attacks:
:lol Fat Bastard wanting to hit back at China by finding embarrasing info. Will he hire TMZ jr high faggots?

[ElNono]

Bush never looked good in the campaign to me, but since he wasn't your governor maybe you didn't know what a fuckhead he was. It's not hindsight either, it was clear he was going to be in over his head and lean on Cheney.

Probably. What I don't understand is who in the Bush family told Jeb he had a shot after his bro's clusterfuck... talk about waste of time and money...

[Fabbs]

Take Cruzs' microphone away. Sheesh.

[Fabbs]

Mr Free Spirit Trump just cucks to the Republican party big time.
Wow, obviously talks were held.

[Splits]

It's not hindsight either, it was clear he was going to be in over his head and lean on Cheney.

Wut? From when to when?

[baseline bum]

Probably. What I don't understand is who in the Bush family told Jeb he had a shot after his bro's clusterfuck... talk about waste of time and money...

I wish I could vote his dad back in again, what an embarrassment to the Bush name that fuck W is.

[Fabbs]

Everytime i see and hear Fatty....how did he weaslel out of that rush hour traffic shut down?

Bush: For America to be safe and sound. :lmao

[Fabbs]

Please Satarday Night Live do a 20 minute parody of this. :rollin

[TheGreatYacht]

CNN basically set Donald with the easy kill on Cruz by calling out his snake ways.... aaaaaaanndd Donald basically let Ted fuck his wife. :lol

What a Beta.

[Fabbs]

^^ Repubs have so obviously met and said lets have a unified Beat Hillary front.
They've resigned themselves to the Trump poll #s and said lets act like we all get along.

[Splits]

San Bernardino was eleventy times worse than 9/11, even though the terrorists were lone wolves and not directed by ISIS, but we must spends billions of more dollars "completely destroying ISIS" and "radical Islamic terrorism" while ignoring the other 350+ mass shootings so far this year.

:lol fucking pussies

Nice little country we've got here, would be terrible if something happened to it.

[SnakeBoy]

Bush actually got under Trump's skin.

lol I didn't see it that way. Bush once again looked like the little kid trying to stand up to a bully while hoping he didn't shit his pants. Trump brushed him off. Looked to me like Bush just ended his campaign tonight.

Most interesting part of tonight was that every candidate presented themselves has either a full blown neocon or not. I thought some of them would try harder to straddle the fence.

[TheGreatYacht]

San Bernardino was eleventy times worse than 9/11, even though the terrorists were lone wolves and not directed by ISIS, but we must spends billions of more dollars "completely destroying ISIS" and "radical Islamic terrorism" while ignoring the other 350+ mass shootings so far this year.

:lol fucking pussies

Nice little country we've got here, would be terrible if something happened to it.
:wow ...

[TheGreatYacht]

^^ Repubs have so obviously met and said lets have a unified Beat Hillary front.
They've resigned themselves to the Trump poll #s and said lets act like we all get along.
Marco Rubio is their only hope. I mean, killing of families of terrorists, deporting all Muslims and legally born American-Mexicans, making Middle East sand "glow" aka nukes, favorite verse on the bible is every one of them :lol.... This party has no chance.

The Blue house 2008-2020 tbqh

[Jacob1983]

I'm at 42 and you're at 3. I loved seeing Trump shit on Jeb.

[Fabbs]

Fact Checking the 5th Debate.

per usual with politicians, the bullshit meter is at 90%.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/15/politics/republican-debate-factcheck/index.html

:lmao Do you people respect any of these douche bags?

[Reck]

I'm at 42 and you're at 3. I loved seeing Trump shit on Jeb.

You're so used to eating other people's shit working at target that you actually eat up Trump's and then thank him for it. :lmao

[boutons_deux]

Who are these Repug assholes appealing to? Their supporters, voters are as fucked up. ignorant, emotional, UNSERIOUS jokers as the politicians.

[DarrinS]

Who are these Repug assholes appealing to? Their supporters, voters are as fucked up. ignorant, emotional, UNSERIOUS jokers as the politicians.

^serious talk

[boutons_deux]

^serious talk

... ^ clown with nothing to say.

[boutons_deux]

Repug establishment has completely lost control of their split, broken party, can't possibly win the WH with any of these assholes.

CNN didn't have the balls to keep out the super-marginals. 4, maybe 5 should have been the max.

Santorum? :lol CarLIE? :lol Graham? :lol Pastor Grifterbee? :lol Pataki? :lol Kasich? :lol

America is fucked and unfuckable.

[baseline bum]

Repug establishment has completely lost control of their split, broken party, can't possibly win the WH with any of these assholes.


American voters put Bush in office twice, they're retarded enough to put Rubio or Trump in too.

[ElNono]

American voters put Bush in office twice, they're retarded enough to put Rubio or Trump in too.

I would buy Rubio, even Cruz, tbh... Trump has no shot, IMO

[boutons_deux]

American voters put Bush in office twice, they're retarded enough to put Rubio or Trump in too.

wrong

SCOTUS elected dubya first, aided by JEB! and Secy of State K. Harris fucking up the FL election to favor dubya, dubya losing the popular national vote by 600K

then OH Repug Secy of State Blackwell elected dubya the 2nd time, dubya winning with the smallest margin for an incumbent.

[Fabbs]

I would buy Rubio, even Cruz, tbh... Trump has no shot, IMO
I haven't followed the charadefest of pre elections past, but have pre polls been this wrong before?

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

lol @ ¡Yeb! What a waste of shekels

http://i.imgur.com/52igexj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CyfbBIj.jpg

[Splits]

http://i.imgur.com/CyfbBIj.jpg

:lmao if real

[baseline bum]

wrong

SCOTUS elected dubya first, aided by JEB! and Secy of State K. Harris fucking up the FL election to favor dubya, dubya losing the popular national vote by 600K

then OH Repug Secy of State Blackwell elected dubya the 2nd time, dubya winning with the smallest margin for an incumbent.

And the president isn't elected by popular vote. Even in your best case scenario the country came within a razor thin margin of electing Bush twice, so voters are stupid enough to elect Rubio or Trump too probably.

[boutons_deux]

And the president isn't elected by popular vote. Even in your best case scenario the country came within a razor thin margin of electing Bush twice, so voters are stupid enough to elect Rubio or Trump too probably.

Repug voters, yes, low-wage, low-info, low-education, paranoid, racist, xenophobe, sexist, rural, white males, typical rightwingnut Spurstalker.

Dems get the women, youth, blacks, Hispanics, LGBT, ethnics, and win again.

[boutons_deux]

GOP Debate Scorecard: The Big Winner Wasn’t Anyone on the Stage, It Was Democrats

Trump comes off as a sniveling bully; Bush as simple-minded; Cruz as maniacal. And that's good news for Democrats.

thumping your chest really hard and repeating, “Radical Islamic terrorism, radical Islamic terrorism, radical Islamic terrorism” until the magical spell works and the baddies go away.

Winner, Untouchable Division:

Donald Trump. Trump came across as a sniveling bully and a consummate bullshitter who clearly just says the first thing that pops into his head and then, when confronted, just doubles down on it instead of admitting he was wrong. But that’s never hurt him in the polls before, and it’s unlikely to do so now.

Winners, Tap-Dancing Around The “How Fascist Are You” Question Division:

Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio. You can’t denounce Trump’s nutty idea of a Muslim travel ban, because you’ll just drive more of your idiot base into his arms. But you can’t endorse it, either, because it’s unconstitutional and seriously a legitimate threat to national security. So both candidates, when faced with the question, rattled off officious-sounding nonsense to run out the clock. Rubio gave us a history of the San Bernardino shooter and Fiorina gave us a history of social media, but both accomplished the main goal of babbling until the buzzer sounded without either of them actually answering the question.

Winner, Oh God He Might Actually Win Division:

Ted Cruz. He was nearly as maniacal as Donald Trump when it comes to racist pandering and was by far the most convincing in the contest to see who is most eager to kill them all and let God sort them out. This is a man who knows how to fight and claw his way to the top of any trash pile you give him, and winning the Republican nomination is what he was born to do.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/gop-debate-scorecard-big-winner-wasnt-anyone-stage-it-was-democrats



http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/gop-debate-scorecard-big-winner-wasnt-anyone-stage-it-was-democrats

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump Dominated Last Night's GOP Debate, According to Google


The morning after the debate, Trump still dominated Google search traffic, with more searches than the rest of the field combined. Cruz and Rubio followed. Here's the pattern from early morning December 16:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/google-trends-data-shows-who-won-gop-debate-vegas-trump

[boutons_deux]

How Many Children Could You Kill? The GOP Debates in Brief

"We're talking about ruthless things tonight," said Hewitt, "carpet bombing, toughness, war. And people wonder, could you do that? Could you order air strikes that would kill innocent children by not the scores, but the hundreds and the thousands? Could you wage war as a commander-in-chief?" After Carson replied with an anecdote about his experience as a pediatric neurosurgeon, Hewitt pressed:

"So you are OK with the deaths of thousands of innocent children and civilians?"

In this line of work, if you do it long enough, you tell yourself that you've seen everything. Nothing can surprise you. It's a comforting fiction, a callus on the soul that allows you to observe and report without being subsumed by it all. Nothing is more unnerving than being deprived of context, to arrive at a moment when you can't say, "Well, I've seen that before." I have no metric for what I witnessed last night.

A debate moderator sought to test a candidate's qualifications on the basis of how many children that candidate is willing to kill.

This wasn't some basement-born hack-ass radio show that only reaches three blocks. This happened on CNN with banners flying and theme music to boot. The audience, to its credit, had the decency to boo Hewitt. Nevertheless, it happened. That is where we are. That is who we are.

Carpet bombing. Toughness. War. Fairly encapsulates the night. I stopped counting the instances when a candidate said the words "Kill us all" after 50. This was a fear festival that puts the darkest Stephen King nightmare in deep shade. It was also, make no mistake,

a big hug for ISIS. One can imagine them huddled around a television, laughing, saying to each other, "Look how frightened they are. Look how they are frightening others. This is more than we could have hoped for."

A few things I learned last night: Santorum thinks terrorists are bad unless they want to buy a gun. :lol

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34059-how-many-children-could-you-kill-the-gop-debates-in-brief (http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34059-how-many-children-could-you-kill-the-gop-debates-in-brief)

[boutons_deux]

Communities of color hate Republicans more than ever, and GOP seems psyched about that! (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/16/1460788/-Communities-of-color-hate-Republicans-more-than-ever-and-GOP-seems-psyched-about-that)

So RNC Chair Reince “we have the deepest bench of people no one wants to vote for” Priebus is always good for a laugh, but this morning’s contribution (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/16/1460735/-Republican-Party-head-brags-about-competent-black-and-Hispanic-outreach) was particularly good:


working in all communities, in black communities, Hispanic communities, Asian communities and being far better than we were in 2012


Not just better than 2012, but far better. It’s true! He said so! So let’s see just how much better his party is among key growing non-white demographics.

Here we are, 2012 (http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/):


[TH="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 4, align: center"]OBAMA VS ROMNEY, EXIT POLLS, 2012 PRESIDENT



Latino
Black
Asian


OBAMA
71
93
73


ROMNEY
27
6
26




Yup, that was pretty brutal. It had to be the GOP’s nadir, right? They can’t possibly do worse than that, could they? Let’s see what the latest Quinnipiac poll (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2307) has to say:



CLINTON VS TRUMP, Q-POLL, 11/23-30



Latino
Black


CLINTON
76
87


TRUMP
13
7






http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/16/1460788/-Communities-of-color-hate-Republicans-more-than-ever-and-GOP-seems-psyched-about-that?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

:lol

[boutons_deux]

When Abraham Lincoln took actions based on military considerations, he gave himself the proper title, "commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States."

That title is rarely—more like never—heard today. It is just "commander in chief," or even "commander in chief of the United States." This reflects the increasing militarization of our politics.

The citizenry at large is now thought of as under military discipline. In wartime, it is true, people submit to the national leadership more than in peacetime. The executive branch takes actions in secret, unaccountable to the electorate, to hide its moves from the enemy and protect national secrets. Constitutional shortcuts are taken "for the duration." But those impositions are removed when normal life returns. But we have not seen normal life in 66 years.

The wartime discipline imposed in 1941 has never been lifted, and "the duration" has become the norm. World War II melded into the cold war, with greater secrecy than ever—more classified information, tougher security clearances. And now the cold war has modulated into the war on terrorism.

—Garry Wills, 2007.

I needed to put that on the record because its basic truth was completely lost in a dark land of fear and amid the waving poison ferns in Wolf Blitzer's amygdala.

First of all, none of these people will be my commander in chief.

None of these people will have the job of keeping me "safe."

The first priority of a president is not keeping the country safe. The first priority of a president—indeed, the only priority of a president—is to preserve, protect and defend not me, but the Constitution of the United States.

So sitting there, listening to a bunch of people who never served a day in combat talk about how they're going to turn the Middle East into obsidian glass and how they will keep me safe, it was hard not to fall off my chair.

Frankly, I wouldn't hire any of these people to watch my car in a valet parking lot, let alone lead the country into what they never miss a chance to call, "the Third World War." Chris Christie? Ted Cruz? Marco Rubio?

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a40540/las-vegas-republican-debate-commander-in-chief/

[mingus]

And the president isn't elected by popular vote. Even in your best case scenario the country came within a razor thin margin of electing Bush twice, so voters are stupid enough to elect Rubio or Trump too probably.

As much as I don't like any of these candidates--Rubio I will admit I found intriguing at first, but the more I watch & listen the more I realize he's a just a finally tuned donar robot like Romney was--Cruz, as much as people make him out to be the most extreme, is probably the least extreme candidate out of any GOP outside of Paul on one very, maybe most important thing: he's fairly conservative with regard to sending our troops to battle. At least that's what I got from his response to recent question of sending in more ground troops to ISIS (as flip-floppy as these politicians are tho, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he's been inconsistent on that). Which is a very good thing as it relates to the ME since everything we touch their turns to shit, and no other Republicans except for him and Paul seem to acknowledge that. It's like Operation Iraqi Freedom and all it's shitty consequences never happen(ed) for these other guys.

Foreign affairs and foreign standing is where a President can fuck shit up the most. He's definitely crazy in a lot of ways and said a lot of completely stupid shit, but he seems judging from that response to be more levelheaded on FA. Yeah he'd probably stir all kinds of stupid shit domestically, and that would suck, but it wouldn't amount to or approach the clusterfuck of another really dumb war that's carried out very much like the previous one.

Rubio, Trump, Bush, they'd all bury this country.

[Galileo]

Stand grand with Rand! Stand tall with Paul!

[cd021]

:lmao if real

No wonder why dude looks so miserable all the time. :lmao

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump issued a remarkably blunt denunciation of the Iraq War during the debate


"We've spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that, frankly, if they were there and if we could have spent that $4 trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges, and all of the other problems — our airports and all the other problems we have — we would have been a lot better off, I can tell you that right now.

We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East — we've done a tremendous disservice to humanity.

The people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away — and for what? It's not like we had victory. It's a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized, a total and complete mess.

I wish we had the 4 trillion dollars or 5 trillion dollars. I wish it were spent right here in the United States on schools, hospitals, roads, airports, and everything else that are all falling apart!"


As Matt Yglesias pointed out on Tuesday (http://www.vox.com/2015/12/15/10270608/trump-won-debate), this, like much of what Trump says, exists outside the bounds of normal political discourse. Even for Democrats who criticize the Iraq War, it's considered gauche to say that so many veterans died and were injured for nothing (though many likely believe this in their hearts).

And even those Republicans who now think the war was a mistake would hesitate to call it "a tremendous disservice to humanity." Beyond that, they certainly wouldn't suggest the money spent on the war could have been plowed into increasing domestic spending, which they generally argue won't improve things.

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/16/10296032/donald-trump-gop-debate-iraq-war

I didn't see much in the press that covered Trump's trashing the Repugs for their Iraq war for oil.

[boutons_deux]

CarLiE Fiorina Is a Liar: And Everyone Should Finally Just Say It...Loudly


There's really no need to dance around the unquestioned truth that Carly Fiorina lies about stuff.

Carly Fiorina is unique among all the candidates in the Republican presidential field for her visceral, aggressive hatred for anything resembling truth. Other candidates lie, of course, but they at least go to the trouble of dressing up their lies with weasel words and other forms of qualifying language that allow them to squirm their way out of fact checks.

Fiorina doesn’t care about any of that. She makes firm, declarative statements that are unquestionably inaccurate, and when confronted with inarguable facts that prove her wrong, she insists against all evidence that she is correct and bristles at the very notion that anyone might challenger her. She does not care. She does not pretend to care. As far as Fiorina’s concerned, the fact that she said it is what makes it true.

Up until this week, the prime example of this phenomenon was the Planned Parenthood video she claimed to have seen showing “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says, ‘We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.’” That video doesn’t exist (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/09/carly_fiorina_lied_about_planned_parenthood_video_ gop_debate_fact_checking.html) [3], and when confronted with the truth, she insisted her lie was true and lashed out at her critics with wholly un-righteous umbrage. “I’ve seen the footage. And I find it amazing, actually, that all these supposed fact-checkers in the mainstream media claim this doesn’t exist.”

That already egregious example of gross fibbery has, implausibly, been supplanted by an even larger whopper. At this week’s Republican debate,

Fiorina listed off a number of retired generals – “Petraeus, McChrystal, Mattis, Keane, Flynn” – whom she would “bring back” into service. “Every one was retired early because they told President Obama things that he didn’t want to hear,” she said.

Citing David Petraeus made absolutely no sense – he retired because Obama nominated him as CIA director, and then he resigned (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/david-petraeus-resigns-as-cia-director/2012/11/09/636d204e-2aa8-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_story.html) [4] because of a security breach related to the extramarital affair he was having.

But invoking Gen. Jack Keane was the real howler of the bunch, given that he retired in 2003, a full five years before Obama was elected president. Keane confirmed to Fox News that he’s never even spoken to President Obama (http://www.salon.com/2015/12/16/thats_not_accurate_fox_news_military_analyst_blows _up_carly_fiorinas_latest_debate_lie/) [5], and that Fiorina’s assessment was “not accurate.”

The easily checked historical record says Fiorina was wrong. The person she name-dropped said without qualification that she was wrong. It doesn’t get any clearer cut than that.

And yet, Fiorina insists she was correct (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/16/politics/carly-fiorina-generals-obama/) [6]:

Talking with reporters Wednesday after a town hall [in Nevada], Fiorina was asked if she misspoke about Keane given the timing of his retirement.

“No, I didn’t misspeak,” she said. “But he has been someone of great experience who has been highly critical of the way this administration has not taken threats seriously and unfortunately he hasn’t been listened to. I would listen to him.”


The irony here is that Fiorina is at this very moment not listening to Gen. Keane, because he’s trying to tell her she’s wrong and Fiorina is having none of it.

I’m fascinated by this pathological commitment to dishonesty, and also by the treatment it receives from the press. Reporters tend to be gun-shy when it comes to labeling untrue statements from politicians as “false” or “lies” because it’s assumed to be a form of improper editorialization. But in an instance like this, there is no way to plausibly interpret what Fiorina is doing as anything other than lying. And yet, the press still dances around the unquestionable dishonesty on display here.

CNN reported on Fiorina’s stubborn mendacity with the hilarious headline (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/16/politics/carly-fiorina-generals-obama/) [6]: “Despite facts, Carly Fiorina stands by claim about retired generals.”

ABC News reported (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/carly-fiorina-digs-claim-generals-retirement-due-obama/story?id=35808113) [7]: “Carly Fiorina Digs in on Claim That General’s Retirement Was Due to Obama Dispute.” Just call it false! Call it a lie! That’s what it is.

The best headline I’ve seen on this story came from Mother Jones’ Kevin Drum, who wrote: “Carly Fiorina Really Likes to Make Shit Up (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/12/carly-fiorina-really-likes-make-shit) [8].” That’s an accurate, concise explanation of what’s going on here, and no one should hesitate to call Carly Fiorina a liar when there is no doubt that she’s lying.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/carly-fiorina-liar-and-everyone-should-finally-just-say-itloudly

[spurraider21]

while they have zero chance of winning, lindsey graham and rand paul came off as the only sane people in the room

[mingus]

while they have zero chance of winning, lindsey graham and rand paul came off as the only sane people in the room

I don't know much about Graham, but the way I remember him being (only from interviews on various cable "news" stations) is a big contrast to what I see now. He seems to be exploiting Trumps rhetoric to shed his image as a hardliner partisan hack (like prety much every candidate in both parties), which is what I remember him being. But it's possible my memory of him is wrong. Assuming it's not tho he's basically acting this way for only political reasons. IOW, it's not he doesn't dislike/disagree with guys like a Trump or Cruz. It's that in order move up the political totem pole, he's gotta offer something to voters that they don't since they "own" certain Republican stances & mindsets, and have significant number of loyal followers on account of them. That "something different" is what he seems to be blowing out of his ass right now, a kind of compromiser/fair/nonhardliner partisan guy. It's bullshit tho if memory serves. And he sounds & looks like a bullshitter too.

Either way, wrong or right, he's irrelevant. And so is Rand Paul. Rand Paul I actually like a lot, but I think he started off the race having no balls. Trump was trashing him at the beginning, essentially giving him a great opportunity to assert himself and make more a name for himself, but instead of standing up to him, he backed off like a pussy--just like his dad. He actually has stepped up his game in that regard but his initial timidness is what has stuck with people. Which hurts him especially because it further gives credibility to the suspicion that as a "non-interventionist/isolationist" he's already kind of a pussy.

Rubio isn't electable for the same reason Romney proved not to be: because he sounds and looks the part of a guy who was assembled at Republican presidential candidate manufacturing plant. It's like after Romney failed they thought they could improve on v. 1 by making v. 2 darker and giving him a better backstory. They still can't make a robot sound human tho. He has no personality.

Jeb Bush's problem is that he's got too many problems. It's so bad you get to one before you even get to ask him a question.

Carson is a black guy. Good. That's not diversity. That doesn't win you any more minority votes. He's still playing for the 60s Boston Celtics. Great, inspiring backstory. But that's not enough, apparently.

Cruz & Trump. Cruz I don't know too much about him, I guess I'll read into him more. He might be the most personable of the others from what I've seen, seems sincere. Trump hasn't given to my ears one serious attempt at answering a complex political problem, much less one serious answer. For a guy that calls politicians "all talk no action", his slogan should be "all talk no substance". Because of yet I really haven't heard any. I don't know what his views are on anything. Maybe that changes, but it hasn't needed to because he's got enough of blind sheep that have continued following him regardless. The polls speak to the fact that he doesn't need to change that, so why would he.

Like last time there will be another Denocratic President. Not I believe because it's what's good for the country or because it's what majority of voters want, but because the other Party's candidates (do not confuse this with ideology) blow.

[boutons_deux]

CarLie Fiorna and Jeb Bush brutally mocked in SNL GOP debate as all 9 candidates get skewered


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/carly-fiorna-and-jeb-bush-brutally-mocked-in-snl-gop-debate-as-all-9-candidates-get-skewered/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[DMX7]

Carly needs to get out now. She is just terrible.

[boutons_deux]

Carly needs to get out now. She is just terrible.

I ask how this conbitch got to the top of HP. Was the HP board so fucking stupid, group-thinked, bought her and her supporters' bullshit, intimidiated?, desperate, or what?

And there's still some percentage of the rightwingnut base, many 100Ks? if not Ms, who want her to be President.

[DMX7]

I ask how this conbitch got to the top of HP. Was the HP board so fucking stupid, group-thinked, bought her and her supporters' bullshit, intimidiated?, desperate, or what?


They were all those things, and then they also wanted to be perceived as progressive by hiring a woman.

It's just uncanny how much she lies or is just uninformed. She has no sense of humanity on top of that.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Its just getting embarrassing for ¡Yeb! at this point

http://i.imgur.com/vwN5Tur.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EyL0Ted.jpg

[rmt]

Its just getting embarrassing for ¡Yeb! at this point

http://i.imgur.com/vwN5Tur.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EyL0Ted.jpg

$32.5million - what a waste of money! Jeb needs to give it up.