General 2016 NBA Draft Discussion

[Kawhitstorm]

Gary Payton II:

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[Chinook]

Pretty much copying and pasting Bruno's OP from the 2014 thread:

Spurs' 2016 draft picks:
Spurs First round pick
Hornets second round pick (top-55 protected)
(Spurs traded their 2016 second for Ray McCallum)


Players available for the 2015 draft:
International players born in 1994 and college seniors are automatically eligible.
College underclassmen and international players born in 95, 96 or 97 (really?!?!?) can enter in the draft.




Key dates:
April 9: Nike Hoop Summit in Portland.
April 13 - April 15: Portsmouth invitational tournament.
April 24: Early entry eligibility deadline, teams can start workouts with them.
May 11-15: Draft combine in Chicago
May 17: Draft Lottery.
? (assuming early June): Adidas Eurocamp in Treviso.
June 13: Early entry withdrawal deadline.
June 23: NBA Draft in NY.


Links:
Draftexpress (http://www.draftexpress.com/index.php)
Nbadraft (http://www.nbadraft.net/)
A blog on European prospects (http://www.europeanprospects.com/)
Espn draft page (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/index)
Wiki on the lottery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery)
Future draft picks (http://www1.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed)
NCAA players stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/players)
Euroleague players stats (http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players)

[Chinook]

I've unstuck the 2015 thread, but I'll leave it open for a bit longer for people to wrap up discussions.

[jesterbobman]

Thanks for setting this up.

Other Useful Links:
Upside and Motor: the Hardwood Paroxysm Prospect blog: http://upsidemotor.com
Nylon Calculus: HP stats blog http://nyloncalculus.com
RealGM draft rights held: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft-rights (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft-rights)

Given the Current prospects, focusing on PG / C - A lot of F prospects on that list above.

My early watch list: (DX Mock 23 Dec)
PG Wade Baldwin (18)
PG/SG Caris Levert (19)
PG Melo Trimble (21)
C/ PF Domantas Sabonis (27)
PG Malik Newman (31)

[apalisoc_9]

Whats the scouting report on SG/PG depth on this draft? I havent dug deep yet for next year but my turkish buddy is going all doo do da da over furkan korkmaz.

NVM, draftexpress early mock draft has him at 11...never.going to happen.

[100%duncan]

Stats of players in the bottom of 1st and early 2nd look good.

[TheCerebral1]

Thanks for setting this up.

Other Useful Links:
Upside and Motor: the Hardwood Paroxysm Prospect blog: http://upsidemotor.com
Nylon Calculus: HP stats blog http://nyloncalculus.com
RealGM draft rights held: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft-rights (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft-rights)

Given the Current prospects, focusing on PG / C - A lot of F prospects on that list above.

My early watch list: (DX Mock 23 Dec)
PG Wade Baldwin (18)
PG/SG Caris Levert (19)
PG Melo Trimble (21)
C/ PF Domantas Sabonis (27)
PG Malik Newman (31)

Sabonis and Trimble would add to important needs as would Lavert, but I would think that the fit is Trimble before Sabonis by a hair.

[raybies]

Early picks that I like considering our team needs are mainly point and big guy.

PG's Felder
Big's Sabonis, Cornelie, and Onuaku

[BackHome]

Defense:
Pg: Payton
PF/C Chinanu Onuaku

Offense:
Pg - Melo Trimble (Probably have to do a trade to get him)
PF - Petr Cornelie

My sleepers are -PG - Monte Morris and SF - Paul Zipser

[Man In Black]

Thanks for setting this up.

Other Useful Links:
Upside and Motor: the Hardwood Paroxysm Prospect blog: http://upsidemotor.com
Nylon Calculus: HP stats blog http://nyloncalculus.com
RealGM draft rights held: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft-rights (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft-rights)

Given the Current prospects, focusing on PG / C - A lot of F prospects on that list above.

My early watch list: (DX Mock 23 Dec)
PG Wade Baldwin (18)
PG/SG Caris Levert (19)
PG Melo Trimble (21)
C/ PF Domantas Sabonis (27)
PG Malik Newman (31)

Sabonis is such a good call.

[jyra]

My sleepers are -PG - Monte Morris and SF - Paul Zipser

I have watched Zipser this past fall playing for Germany. He surprised me quite a bit with his competent performance considering his age. His game reminds me a bit of Dangubic. Both guys are about the same size (Zipser is probably a bit stronger and has a longer wingspan), quite athletic and reasonably good on defense. Zipser is a pretty good shooter with lacking ball handling skills while Dangubic is pretty much the opposite on that end.

I don't see him as a likely pick as he doesn't really offer enough potential to surpass Bertans/LJC/Anderson but another team could surely take a shot on him. You can always use a 3&D guy in this league.

[raybies]

Maybe Duncan Robinson from Michigan. Lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Gary Payton II, Oregon State guard, up to No. 21 on ESPN NBA Draft board :bang (hopefully b/c of his age (23) most teams will pass up on him): http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/01/gary_payton_ii_oregon_state_gu_1.html


Gary Payton II, Oregon State guard, named midseason finalist for Wooden Award (Poor-man's Russell Westbrook: Only player in the nation averaging at least 17 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 2.5 steals:toast): http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/01/gary_payton_ii_oregon_state_gu_2.html

[raybies]

I'm gonna have to watch a video on him and try to catch a game. His stat line even in college is impressive and he's defender that s a plus.

[CGD]

With Boban and the other Serb we drafted last year I think we're good at C. The combo of Simmons, Anderson, and Bertans gives me hope at long term wing depth in the event Manu retires.

Biggest need is at PG. Hope the Spurs draft another obscure 19 year old from Europe with the 29th pick they can develop over the next 2 years.

[raybies]

I like what I see with sviatslav mykhailuk? I tried. But I'm gonna tune into the Kansas Texas game to learn more about him.

Edit: didn't see him play. But I watched Newman. I think y'all should check him out. Can shoot, can drive and kick. Has trouble finishing around the rim but he gets paint touches. Willing passer. Can defend when he's locked in. Has the tools to be a solid defender. He is having a career game but still. He is a freshman too. Has alot of potential. Could see him being a combo guard in the NBA. Not much of a pick and roll player but in a potential bench unit of Simmons, Anderson, Diaw, and Boban, I think he would fit in very well. I'll be following him more closely now as the season goes on. I could see him moving up out our reach though.

Malik Newman currently ranked #32 DraftExpress

[raybies]

Really like this kid Onuaku. He's a beast around the rim, whether it be rebounding or finishing. Good motor. Alters alot of shots and gets deflections. Very vocal on D. You can tell he leads the defense. He has a developing post game but he seems to have a nice touch with his hook even hitting a turn around jumper. He's a nice passer from the post looking for cutters. He also plays in the pick and roll game setting solid screens and rolling hard. He defends the pick roll well even on the switch. He missed a few bunnies today but I old the effort. He keeps plays alive. He must be very coachable taking Pitinos advice to shoot his free throws underhanded. Improved his free throw shot but still a poor free throw shooter. His free throws do appear to be soft though. Still really young just a sophomore and playing for a good coach.

Chinanu Onuaku currently ranked #39 DraftExpress

[AFBlue]

The Spurs have an absolutely loaded roster with plenty of prospects in the system. I know there is uncertainty around some major players returning like Duncan, Ginobili and West. But, I think it's highly unlikely the Spurs will look to the draft to fill those holes if/when they become a reality.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs go international yet again to preserve roster flexibility. I'll have to read up on the crop of potential overseas players...only ones I'm currently aware of are those from last year that withdrew their names like Luwawu, de Paula, and Kaba.

[raybies]

The Spurs have an absolutely loaded roster with plenty of prospects in the system. I know there is uncertainty around some major players returning like Duncan, Ginobili and West. But, I think it's highly unlikely the Spurs will look to the draft to fill those holes if/when they become a reality.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs go international yet again to preserve roster flexibility. I'll have to read up on the crop of potential overseas players...only ones I'm currently aware of are those from last year that withdrew their names like Luwawu, de Paula, and Kaba.

There's really only two in our range, Paul Zipser a small forward from Germany and Petr Cornelie, a stretch for from France. But we'll see who returns up by draft time. There are alot of decent domestic prospects though that should be available. I could see the spurs trading this pick though if they can't get a foreign prospect. We just have so much prospects in the pipeline and a future 2nd or two might be a good idea cause week be needing players on the cheap in a couple years.

Edit:Zhou qi a pf/c from china
Juan hernangomez a sf/pf from Spain
Sviatslav Mykhailuk a sg/sf
Others...
Out of all these I like Cornelie, Zipser, and mykhailuk. Don't like Zhou qi cause typically Chinese players don't do well. Would like to take chance because he's got talent but it would be reward/ bust scenario.

[Chinook]

The Spurs have an absolutely loaded roster with plenty of prospects in the system. I know there is uncertainty around some major players returning like Duncan, Ginobili and West. But, I think it's highly unlikely the Spurs will look to the draft to fill those holes if/when they become a reality.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs go international yet again to preserve roster flexibility. I'll have to read up on the crop of potential overseas players...only ones I'm currently aware of are those from last year that withdrew their names like Luwawu, de Paula, and Kaba.

The Spurs have great depth in their pipeline for the front court, but they have NOTHING for their guards. They need to draft a legit PG prospect in the worst way, because Mills may very well not be a Spur after this or especially next season. And hopefully they can find another Joseph-caliber player at least so they can have someone take over for Tony once he gets too old. There are a number of good PG prospects in the Spurs projected range. They will HAVE to come away with one of them this time. They failed utterly in the draft last year by stashing their pick.

[CGD]

^ couldnt agree more with this post. It's becoming apparent in recent weeks that the Spurs lost a lot when Joseph left, and there is nothing in the pipe.

[loveforthegame]

The Spurs have great depth in their pipeline for the front court, but they have NOTHING for their guards. They need to draft a legit PG prospect in the worst way, because Mills may very well not be a Spur after this or especially next season. And hopefully they can find another Joseph-caliber player at least so they can have someone take over for Tony once he gets too old. There are a number of good PG prospects in the Spurs projected range. They will HAVE to come away with one of them this time. They failed utterly in the draft last year by stashing their pick.

Agreed. It would be nice to find someone with size too.

[stnick2261]

This was my post in April of last year of players I had early interest in. These three are still available for the draft.


I'm not sure who I will really want when draft time comes, but this is a list of my early interests.

George Lucas de Paula - 6'6" PG w/ 7' wingspan
Gary Payton II - 6'3" PG - late bloomer... great defense but needs to work on his shot
Moussa Diagne - 6'11" C w/ 7'4" wingspan - great rebounder / defense... terrific speed, very active

Definitely think we need a big PG who is a facilitator and defensive specialist. I think that fits Gary Payton II.

[Chinook]

If Payton were three years younger, he'd be high on the list. As is, I don't know how much upside he has left. The Spurs should be looking to pick up a guard who can start by his third or fourth year, and I just don't see that upside in Payton.

[jesterbobman]

I think the draft a PG is the best option.

We want a guy who's a #3 (Ray 2.0) in the rotation / after the Simmons / Slo Mo / Patty Back up trio on the perimeter, and a guy who could be a starter in 2 years. Hard (impossible) to get that in FA.

Seems like the best draft options are Trimble and Baldwin, and looks like both are out of the Spurs range.

Choice is kind of Levert (if he falls), an unpolished young guy (Newman, Briscoe, Lucas), or a more polished guy with less potential (Ulis (5'9"), Payton (23), Morris (Not a great athlete)).

I haven't got a great preference among them yet. I'd guess the Spurs don't opt for the great athletes who can't play.

[Kawhitstorm]

If Payton were three years younger, he'd be high on the list. As is, I don't know how much upside he has left. The Spurs should be looking to pick up a guard who can start by his third or fourth year, and I just don't see that upside in Payton.

The market for boarderline all-star point guards is probably the least competitive out of all the positions so that could be addressed via free agency. I see Payton as a career backup ala CoJo but he's a rookie that can play right away (LMA/Tony are on the wrong side of 30) as a defensive specialist ala Justice Winslow.

Tony's contract runs out in 2018:bang but the 2017 FA point guard pool looks deep:http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2017/point-guard/
-Jrue Holiday is basically the same age as Kawhi & would be a nice replacement for Tony otherwise Teague is a decent consolation prize (Tony would have to come off the bench to make the deal happen)
-G.Hill: Likely to be targeted if Tony is going to remain the starter
-D-Rose is a wild-card

2018 FA point guard pool: http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2018/point-guard/
-Chris Paul: Most likely will be ring chasing so could be interested if LMA ages like Dirk
-Isaiah Thomas: Only in a 6th man role
-Lowry: Most likely will be a shell of himself

*I'm not considering RFAs (Marcus Smart/Schroder/MCW/Burke/Payton/LaVine) as possible candidates

[raybies]

Starting to keep tabs on Prince Ibeh. One of the best defender in college. Kinda coming out of nowhere this season to make a real impact. Reminds me of a slightly less athletic Deandre Jordan. Less of a rebounder, less of a scorer, better defender and blocker. Shaka making an impact already. One of the problems with Prince was his attitude but since working on that he has become a interesting prospect. Started basketball as a freshman in high school and is young as a senior so he has some upside. Can defend the pick and roll, even on the switch. Solid post defender. Big body. 6'11" 260. Plays above the rim much like Jordan. Really no post game to speak of other than a hook shot. Sets solid picks and rolls. Poor free throw shooter. He's a great rim protector. Would make a great project big with Starter potential. And he's right in our backyard.

Currently listed 42 on DraftExpress

[raybies]

My board

Prince Ibeh
Malik Newman
AJ Hammons
Chinanu Onuaku
Ante Zizic
Petr Cornelie
Paul Zipser

[Kawhitstorm]

Starting to keep tabs on Prince Ibeh. One of the best defender in college. Kinda coming out of nowhere this season to make a real impact. Reminds me of a slightly less athletic Deandre Jordan. Less of a rebounder, less of a scorer, better defender and blocker. Shaka making an impact already. One of the problems with Prince was his attitude but since working on that he has become a interesting prospect. Started basketball as a freshman in high school and is young as a senior so he has some upside. Can defend the pick and roll, even on the switch. Solid post defender. Big body. 6'11" 260. Plays above the rim much like Jordan. Really no post game to speak of other than a hook shot. Sets solid picks and rolls. Poor free throw shooter. He's a great rim protector. Would make a great project big with Starter potential. And he's right in our backyard.

Currently listed 42 on DraftExpress

Ibeh is like Ezeli in college w/ better hands rather than DeAndre. Ibeh is 6-10 & can move his feet well just like Ezeli but he isn't 7ft tall nor a freakish athlete like DeAndre.

[ace3g]

Tony Parker - UCLA, because why not.

[Kawhitstorm]

Tony Parker - UCLA, because why not.

Can PATFO trade Porker for him?:wow

[BD24]

So was just looking at draft express and wtf happened to George De Paula? Has he just been garbage this year or is he not planning on entering the draft or something? Last year he was predicted as a late 1st or early 2nd round pick if he were to enter the draft. He isn't even ranked this year. Was curious if someone had some intel I am missing.

As far as other players I like, I think Chinanu Onuaku could be a great pickup for the Spurs. He is projected in the mid second round right now and I think he is a steal in that range and gives the Spurs a much needed rim protector/mobile big off the bench. Yes his offense is trash at this point and very raw, but honestly the 2nd unit already has a fairly good amount of offense and wouldn't need him to be much of a scorer. I realize we don't have a pick there, maybe trade one of our draft and stash players for the mid 2nd rounder if he is still there. I think if Skal Labissiere keeps dropping we look at maybe trading up for him. Yes he hasn't lived up to the lofty expectations, but he is still a super young guy with a ton of potential. He again fills that need of a rim protector/mobile big.

As others have said I do like GP2. Only concern there would be his age obviously, on the other hand the age and experience means he could probably come in and make an impact as a bench role player right away if needed.

[raybies]

Prince Ibeh
Aj Hammons
Malik Newman
Chinanu Onuaku
Petr Cornelie

[raybies]

Anybody watch Hammons game last night. He and Ibeh are my top two, by far. Unlike ibeh, hammons has a post game and can shoot up to 18 footers and not a liability at the line. And he's a big body. 7 footer about 280. Defensively, he's a rim protector. He uses solid positional skills to block shots at the rim and alter many more. He has a presence about him. Purdue gets him plenty of touches on the post, and he does a good job finding the open man when doubled.

Also like Caleb Swanigan on Purdue for the future.

Another guy that I'd like to see the spurs send a summer league invite to is Connor Lammert. Stretch 4 that's a solid defender.

[raybies]

Ibeh is like Ezeli in college w/ better hands rather than DeAndre. Ibeh is 6-10 & can move his feet well just like Ezeli but he isn't 7ft tall nor a freakish athlete like DeAndre.

Fran Frasillia? Mentioned in the game against Oklahoma that Ibeh had alot of the qualities of DeAndre Jordan. I said it first but he see's it too.

[Kawhitstorm]

Fran Frasillia? Mentioned in the game against Oklahoma that Ibeh had alot of the qualities of DeAndre Jordan. I said it first but he see's it too.

DeAndre is the go-to guy for an athletic center who can run & jump but has no post game just like every 6'6"+ guard that had a 40 inch vertical & could score was the next Michael Jordan.:lol

Besides his athleticism, DeAndre is an elite rebounder b/c of his length not b/c he has great technique. He also catches every lob because of his freakish athleticism for a 7 footer ala Tyson Chandler.

Ibeh isn't as athletic or lanky as DeAndre & is going to be coming in as an older (22) prospect just like Ezeli.

[raybies]

DeAndre is the go-to guy for an athletic center who can run & jump but has no post game just like every 6'6"+ guard that had a 40 inch vertical & could score was the next Michael Jordan.:lol

Besides his athleticism, DeAndre is an elite rebounder b/c of his length not b/c he has great technique. He also catches every lob because of his freakish athleticism for a 7 footer ala Tyson Chandler.

Ibeh isn't as athletic or lanky as DeAndre & is going to be coming in as an older (22) prospect just like Ezeli.

Yeah I hear you. I may be falling in love with his potential, but imo I think being in the right situation is vital for his career and with Duncan likely retiring I think he could fit in nicely with the starters. I see 20 mins a night 8 boards 4 pts 1.5 blocks. What is tantalizing about him is his ability to switch on the perimeter. And we don't need a big time scorer with Kawhi and LaMarcus. We just need somebody to defend, rebound, and finish around the basket. All things I think he could do exceptionally well. I say the right situation because Barnes had him for three years and couldn't get this out of him then along comes Shaka and he's all of sudden elite. He has all the tools to be a solid pro. He's my pick as of now. If Duncan retires, the more centers we have the better. Like we do whenever we're trying out people at positions. By committee...

[Big Empty]

I agree on Ibeh raybies. Think he would be a great addition.

[raybies]

Watching more of Hammons, he reminds me of Marc Gasol or of that mold as Ibeh is out of the DeAndre Jordan mold. Similarly to Gasol, Hammons struggled with weight issues growing up. He's not high energy. He kind of just methodically goes about his business. He's a foul prone. He's got like a European big man's game about him but can still play in the post. He's got a solid post game, with a hook shot, drop step, and up and under. Can step out and knockdown the jumper at the top of the key. Just started thinking, he might be the better fit as a potential Starter because he can stretch the floor. Which would be beneficial with the post up games of Leonard and Aldridge. As for Ibeh, he would be more Splitter with athleticism-type-role. I like Ibeh against teams like Cleveland and Golden State because you can theoretically switch our hedge and trap hard like the title Heat teams use to do. Both are eLite rim protectors at the collegiate level. I consider them pick 1a and 1b. I like that they are seniors too.

Forgot to mention Hammons can pass. High low and out of the post. Doesn't look like he likes to defend out on the perimeter.

[raybies]

Wish there was more discussion :rolleyes
But this is my niche I guess. Love scouting.

[SAGirl]

Wish there was more discussion :rolleyes
But this is my niche I guess. Love scouting.
I love to watch new talent as well, just don't have much time. As the draft gets closer I'll watch highlight videos. I may watch some March madness games.

They say this draft year the PG class is weak. I am unsure this early in the season which way the Spurs are going with their draft choices, since we have to see our guys in the playoffs to get a better grasp of the future as well as get a sense for guys who may be retiring, as well as Boban and West.

I am thinking we need to draft a guard. Although I have liked both Simmons and Ray, I have a lower ceiling on Simmons than others do, due to his age (he has already improved a lot over the season from where he was at during preseason and after a kind of peak, he has come back down to earth, particularly in games without Manu so I don't think he will make a big leap next season). I think Ray is actually the guy who may look better next season than he did this one just because he looked lost early in the season, and has been out of the rotation and it's hard for anyone to get rhythm going with so little playing time, but I believe Ray is also ultimately a limited player. He's not that crafty and he's athletic but no more than other guards, so he's just a solid 3rd string PG at this point.
I'll keep a better eye out as summer gets closer.

[CGD]

So what are the chances the Spurs DONT stash this 1st? There is a strong chance Bertans and LJC are coming (though for different reason).

Would they really carry 3 true rookies next year?

[raybies]

So what are the chances the Spurs DONT stash this 1st? There is a strong chance Bertans and LJC are coming (though for different reason).

Would they really carry 3 true rookies next year?

Good point. In my mind, I'm convinced that we are gonna draft a big for next year. I think we have to because Tim close to retiring and so with David, depending on if we win it all this year. Also pulling the money together to sign a quality big will be difficult to say the least so drafting well will be the most realistic approach. That's why I've been thoroughly scouting bigs. We could also use help at sg, sf, and a stretch four, but the biggest concern is c, especially with boban being somewhat situational and not that great of a rim protector. If he resigns, that gives us one center if Tim is gone. So between the draft, maybe signing Milutinov, and free agency we got to figure this out. I doubt the Spurs want to waive Diaw, but between Kyle playing best as a stretch four and diaws lethargic play the last few weeks we might do it for the right piece.

As for if we want to have three rookies on board for next year, we just might have to.

[BD24]

Honestly I would love to watch more college ball, but recently it has gotten damn near unwatchable for me. They call way too many fouls which absolutely kills the flow of the game. Not to mention the quality on the offensive end can be absolute shit at times.

[raybies]

Honestly I would love to watch more college ball, but recently it has gotten damn near unwatchable for me. They call way too many fouls which absolutely kills the flow of the game. Not to mention the quality on the offensive end can be absolute shit at times.

Yeah it sucks. I dislike the rules too. Clogging up the paint makes for ugly basketball.

[raybies]

Prospects to watch IMO
PG: Malik Newman, Isaiah Cousins, Tyler Ulis
SG: Isaia Cordinier, Grayson Allen
SF: Taurean Prince, Paul Zipser
Stretch 4's: Petr Cornelie, Connor Lammert
C: Prince Ibeh, AJ Hammons, Chinanu Onuaku

So far some might consider this a weak draft, but there are some nice pieces to be had. I think considering our cap and need for talent on the cheap, this would be a good year to cash in maybe LJC for another pick.

[SAGirl]

Good point. In my mind, I'm convinced that we are gonna draft a big for next year. I think we have to because Tim close to retiring and so with David, depending on if we win it all this year. Also pulling the money together to sign a quality big will be difficult to say the least so drafting well will be the most realistic approach. That's why I've been thoroughly scouting bigs. We could also use help at sg, sf, and a stretch four, but the biggest concern is c, especially with boban being somewhat situational and not that great of a rim protector. If he resigns, that gives us one center if Tim is gone. So between the draft, maybe signing Milutinov, and free agency we got to figure this out. I doubt the Spurs want to waive Diaw, but between Kyle playing best as a stretch four and diaws lethargic play the last few weeks we might do it for the right piece.

As for if we want to have three rookies on board for next year, we just might have to.

I see your point at center, also your point with Diaw. I mentioned elsewhere that someday soon Diaw is going to coast himself out of his own spot. He does show up for big games and the postseason, so it's really not a concern for this season, but for the next one, he needs to start considering the glut of young bigs the Spurs have in the pipelines.

Aside from KA we will also have Bertans and possibly Cady as well. I expect D.West to return. He's been healthy, has played well and if we don't ring this season, he will still be ring chasing. If we do ring, he'll want the B2B. I don't see LJC coming over though. He's too undeveloped and without a reliable jump shot I don't see him getting a spot over any of the above young forwards. Like you, I also don't see us carrying too many rookies, specially young undeveloped rookies, which LJC would be, bc at least Bertans seems to have one NBA skill-that sweet 3 pt stroke at his size, while Cady spent the token dleague season already.

However none of those guys is a defensive big (LJC is, but he's raw), so there's room to pick up someone, but I'd like a guard.

[Kawhitstorm]

Prospects to watch IMO
PG: Malik Newman, Isaiah Cousins, Tyler Ulis
SG: Isaia Cordinier, Grayson Allen
SF: Taurean Prince, Paul Zipser
Stretch 4's: Petr Cornelie, Connor Lammert
C: Prince Ibeh, AJ Hammons, Chinanu Onuaku

So far some might consider this a weak draft, but there are some nice pieces to be had. I think considering our cap and need for talent on the cheap, this would be a good year to cash in maybe LJC for another pick.

Tyler Ulis? As if the team need another midget at the point god position.:lmao He's also frail like Cotton rather than being chiseled like Isaiah Thomas.

Cousins is a combo guard like George Hill but he isn't as lanky & just an average defender.

Malik is your prototypical "Dominant in high school but average in college" type players. (Poor man's Austin Rivers)

I'll be damned if PATFO take those point guards over GPII:

Thu 2/11: Payton, son of NBA Hall of Famer Gary Payton, also had six rebounds, four assists and three steals in the game and put intense pressure on Stanford's ballhandlers all night. "He's probably one of the best two-way players in our conference," Stanford coach Johnny Dawkins said after the game. "He has long arms and such great anticipation. He's very disruptive defensively because he kind of roams everywhere in that zone."


Grayson Allen has Indian Pacers written all over him too.:lol

[raybies]

Tyler Ulis? As if the team need another midget at the point god position.:lmao He's also frail like Cotton rather than being chiseled like Isaiah Thomas.

Cousins is a combo guard like George Hill but he isn't as lanky & just an average defender.

Malik is your prototypical "Dominant in high school but average in college" type players. (Poor man's Austin Rivers)

I'll be damned if PATFO take those point guards over GPII:

Thu 2/11: Payton, son of NBA Hall of Famer Gary Payton, also had six rebounds, four assists and three steals in the game and put intense pressure on Stanford's ballhandlers all night. "He's probably one of the best two-way players in our conference," Stanford coach Johnny Dawkins said after the game. "He has long arms and such great anticipation. He's very disruptive defensively because he kind of roams everywhere in that zone."


Grayson Allen has Indian Pacers written all over him too.:lol
I'm not in love with the pg's either. Just listing the ones that Have caught my eye.

Here's my thinking,
Malik Newman- can stroke the 3, has some size and has some potential on d, not to mention he's only a freshman.
Isaiah Cousins- need to see more but I like his work ethic and defense and can hit the three. I miss Joseph pick.
Tyler Ulis- need to see more but I like his effort and overall skill for a scoring pgs. With that said, I don't think there's anyway we pick him, more just someone I like to watch. I can limit to strictly potential firsts only, I guess.

My only concern with Payton is offense and he's old already considering. I think defensively he could be swapped with my Cousins pick, except he can't shoot the three. With that said I wouldn't pick Cousins, Newman, Payton, or ulis with a first. My guess is if we picked up Ray with a second round pick we plan on keeping him. I doubt we let him walk and more so, I don't think any pays any big contract for him. I think we are set at the PG spot. That's where guards like cordinier and especially Grayson come in. They can guard both guard positions and for Grayson, he might be able to play a combo guard role which is really what we need. Not to mention he has an excellent motor.

Imo the first will be spent on a center, sf, or combo guard. No stretch four or pg. Best player available or biggest need is what I think it'll come down to. If it's need, it may very well be center. Best player might be Cordinier imo. Kids got lottery talent. Only knock is that he hasn't played against legit comp.

[raybies]

I see your point at center, also your point with Diaw. I mentioned elsewhere that someday soon Diaw is going to coast himself out of his own spot. He does show up for big games and the postseason, so it's really not a concern for this season, but for the next one, he needs to start considering the glut of young bigs the Spurs have in the pipelines.

Aside from KA we will also have Bertans and possibly Cady as well. I expect D.West to return. He's been healthy, has played well and if we don't ring this season, he will still be ring chasing. If we do ring, he'll want the B2B. I don't see LJC coming over though. He's too undeveloped and without a reliable jump shot I don't see him getting a spot over any of the above young forwards. Like you, I also don't see us carrying too many rookies, specially young undeveloped rookies, which LJC would be, bc at least Bertans seems to have one NBA skill-that sweet 3 pt stroke at his size, while Cady spent the token dleague season already.

However none of those guys is a defensive big (LJC is, but he's raw), so there's room to pick up someone, but I'd like a guard.
I think how diaw plays this post season is going to be huge. If he somehow plays poorly, I don't see us keeping him. He seems disinterested imo. And I think by next year Kyle will have enough time to further develop his body and slide into that role.

I guess it also depends on who we'd waive diaw to get and I don't think he has much trade value. Just thinking the way diaws contract is set up it actually may have some value in this aspect, if we do trade him for say a second round pick or maybe Toronto's late first, that team knowing his past will have a two year trial with him to see if he plays and if not they can waive him and save money on his partially non guaranteed deal. And with Boris there might be enough incentive to play for that money knowing it will be his last and if with Toronto, he might play since they're a so to speak contender, not to mention they have a need at pf. Might be a dark horse move at the trade deadline. Maybe not :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

My only concern with Payton is offense and he's old already considering. I think defensively he could be swapped with my Cousins pick, except he can't shoot the three. With that said I wouldn't pick Cousins, Newman, Payton, or ulis with a first. My guess is if we picked up Ray with a second round pick we plan on keeping him. I doubt we let him walk and more so, I don't think any pays any big contract for him. I think we are set at the PG spot. That's where guards like cordinier and especially Grayson come in. They can guard both guard positions and for Grayson, he might be able to play a combo guard role which is really what we need. Not to mention he has an excellent motor.

Imo the first will be spent on a center, sf, or combo guard. No stretch four or pg. Best player available or biggest need is what I think it'll come down to. If it's need, it may very well be center. Best player might be Cordinier imo. Kids got lottery talent. Only knock is that he hasn't played against legit comp.

I see GPII as a hybrid of Tony Allen/Avery Bradley:

-Built like Bradley (as athletic as either one) & can play combo guard (has shaky handles like a young George Hill)

-Has Tony Allen's rebounding ability & shooting touch :lol

-Likes to take it to the hole like pre-injury Tony Allen

-Tony Allen was 23 when he got drafted & was essentially ready to play from day 1.

You also have MCW, Elfrid Payton, Dante Exum & Marcus Smart recently getting drafted in the lotto based on potential when they couldn't shoot a lick.:lol

Ray isn't bringing to the table anything that Patty/Tony aren't & is essentially being used as a NECESSARY emergency backup since Tony has been breaking down the past couple of season. With the departure of CoJo, PATFO needed a 3rd string point guard who was NBA ready & having been a starter on a lotto team Ray was qualified for the job.

This upcoming Summer the team needs to look for a long term defensive minded point guard because that is what the team is lacking & is necessary in a conference which sports the top 3 point god in the league: Curry, Westbrook, Cp3. (You also have CJ/Lillard, either one of whom could run circles around Tony/Patty in a playoff series).

You aren't going to get an NBA ready center with the 29th pick (Should have cap space to sign Ian or even Noah if Tim/Manu retire...there is also Hibbert:lol) & that defeats the purpose of winning NOW while LMA is in his prime. There is no need for a wing player when you have Kawhi/Danny starting & being backed up by Simmons/Kyle(who can't even get consistent minutes in the regular season). A combo guard would be welcomed with Manu on the verge of retiring & Tony on a decline but that is exactly what GPII is, a defensive minded combo guard.

If you look at recent history there have been a handful of wing players that have been signed from the D-League & a couple centers from the Euro league that have made a smooth transition to the NBA without costing the team a 1st rd pick. I can't think of one point guard that made the same transition, actually the Euro league point guards have been busts & the D-League point guard couldn't stick. GPII is a known commaditiy who isn't going to be drafted based on potential or being able to run the offense in the NBA, he's just going to be a game manager & energy guy/defensive stopper who will be asked to play spot minutes in the postseason ala CoJo.

[Kawhitstorm]

I think how diaw plays this post season is going to be huge. If he somehow plays poorly, I don't see us keeping him. He seems disinterested imo. And I think by next year Kyle will have enough time to further develop his body and slide into that role.

I guess it also depends on who we'd waive diaw to get and I don't think he has much trade value. Just thinking the way diaws contract is set up it actually may have some value in this aspect, if we do trade him for say a second round pick or maybe Toronto's late first, that team knowing his past will have a two year trial with him to see if he plays and if not they can waive him and save money on his partially non guaranteed deal. And with Boris there might be enough incentive to play for that money knowing it will be his last and if with Toronto, he might play since they're a so to speak contender, not to mention they have a need at pf. Might be a dark horse move at the trade deadline. Maybe not :lol

PATFO isn't trading Diaw when LMA/West/Boban are newbies along with Fathead being unplayable in big games.:lol I could see his partially guaranteed contract being used as a bait to re-acquire Tiago if Tim retires & the team can't land Noah.

Diaw showed he can still bully small-ball lineups against the Heat & is just cruising like Horry. He's actually playing better than last season, folks don't notice it b/c Ayres has been replaced by West.:lol

[CGD]

Good point. In my mind, I'm convinced that we are gonna draft a big for next year. I think we have to because Tim close to retiring and so with David, depending on if we win it all this year. Also pulling the money together to sign a quality big will be difficult to say the least so drafting well will be the most realistic approach. That's why I've been thoroughly scouting bigs. We could also use help at sg, sf, and a stretch four, but the biggest concern is c, especially with boban being somewhat situational and not that great of a rim protector. If he resigns, that gives us one center if Tim is gone. So between the draft, maybe signing Milutinov, and free agency we got to figure this out. I doubt the Spurs want to waive Diaw, but between Kyle playing best as a stretch four and diaws lethargic play the last few weeks we might do it for the right piece.

As for if we want to have three rookies on board for next year, we just might have to.

Not news, but in the end it all depends on Tim. If he stays I think they stash the pick and bring over Bertans (best prospect) and LJC (per others here, he holds the leverage to force Spurs hand). Then roll with pretty much the team you have now minus bonner and butler/Manu, and play the FA market in 2017.

[CGD]

The other possibility this year is swapping picks to move up by attaching one of our good young assets like Anderson or Simmons.

[raybies]

I see GPII as a hybrid of Tony Allen/Avery Bradley:

-Built like Bradley (as athletic as either one) & can play combo guard (has shaky handles like a young George Hill)

-Has Tony Allen's rebounding ability & shooting touch :lol

-Likes to take it to the hole like pre-injury Tony Allen

-Tony Allen was 23 when he got drafted & was essentially ready to play from day 1.

You also have MCW, Elfrid Payton, Dante Exum & Marcus Smart recently getting drafted in the lotto based on potential when they couldn't shoot a lick.:lol

Ray isn't bringing to the table anything that Patty/Tony aren't & is essentially being used as a NECESSARY emergency backup since Tony has been breaking down the past couple of season. With the departure of CoJo, PATFO needed a 3rd string point guard who was NBA ready & having been a starter on a lotto team Ray was qualified for the job.

This upcoming Summer the team needs to look for a long term defensive minded point guard because that is what the team is lacking & is necessary in a conference which sports the top 3 point god in the league: Curry, Westbrook, Cp3. (You also have CJ/Lillard, either one of whom could run circles around Tony/Patty in a playoff series).

You aren't going to get an NBA ready center with the 29th pick (Should have cap space to sign Ian or even Noah if Tim/Manu retire...there is also Hibbert:lol) & that defeats the purpose of winning NOW while LMA is in his prime. There is no need for a wing player when you have Kawhi/Danny starting & being backed up by Simmons/Kyle(who can't even get consistent minutes in the regular season). A combo guard would be welcomed with Manu on the verge of retiring & Tony on a decline but that is exactly what GPII is, a defensive minded combo guard.

If you look at recent history there have been a handful of wing players that have been signed from the D-League & a couple centers from the Euro league that have made a smooth transition to the NBA without costing the team a 1st rd pick. I can't think of one point guard that made the same transition, actually the Euro league point guards have been busts & the D-League point guard couldn't stick. GPII is a known commaditiy who isn't going to be drafted based on potential or being able to run the offense in the NBA, he's just going to be a game manager & energy guy/defensive stopper who will be asked to play spot minutes in the postseason ala CoJo.

Finally watched a Payton game. Watched Oregon state play the utes, when they win the game on a foul at the end.

First of all you make some good points. Although I don't see it I watched with an open mind and I do think he's a top of prospect in our range. He had like 20pts 6rbs 6a and he made it look so effortless. Wish I could of seem him in some on ball D but they played zone for most the game so I'll need to watch more on that end. On offense he looked confident shooting and had a good shooting night. Pedigree is important for this prospect since he's the gloves son and he's got a pro in his ears when he makes a mistake and doesn't play up to par. I think his next step on offense is the pick and roll. Saw him doing this at the end of the game with the game on the line and he made some good decisions. Want to see more. Looking forward to his next game. Oh and he can rebound for a guard really well.

[Kawhitstorm]

Good point. In my mind, I'm convinced that we are gonna draft a big for next year. I think we have to because Tim close to retiring and so with David, depending on if we win it all this year. Also pulling the money together to sign a quality big will be difficult to say the least so drafting well will be the most realistic approach. That's why I've been thoroughly scouting bigs. We could also use help at sg, sf, and a stretch four, but the biggest concern is c, especially with boban being somewhat situational and not that great of a rim protector. If he resigns, that gives us one center if Tim is gone. So between the draft, maybe signing Milutinov, and free agency we got to figure this out. I doubt the Spurs want to waive Diaw, but between Kyle playing best as a stretch four and diaws lethargic play the last few weeks we might do it for the right piece.

As for if we want to have three rookies on board for next year, we just might have to.

Pop is trying to win NOW w/ LMA which is why he wasn't hesitant to ship out Tiago for nothing, let CoJo walk, draft a stash along with signing Butler instead of a young prospect. There is no way Pop is carrying 3 rookies along with Kyle/Simmons if Tim/Manu retire. There will be about 14 mill in cap space if Tim/Manu retire which should be enough to lure Noah. Manu's loss can be mitigated by Kyle/Simmons & the point guard position could be strengthened via the draft.

Just look at 2013-14 when the PATFO wasn't sure if Tim/Manu were going to retire at the end of the season: They drafted the best talent in the field (Kyle) instead of a big (Jokic). The two most recent centers (Baynes/Boban) were scooped up from the Euro league & Tiago/Ian didn't play much during their rookie season. When Admrial retired they scooped up a proven starter in Rasho who was eventually replaced by a Euro league free agent (Oberto).

If Tim retires, they are going to be looking for a plug-and-play proven vet (Noah, Ian, Mozgov, Hibbert) that can play alongside LMA rather than a project big. On the other hand, they haven't been shy to pull the trigger in the 1st rd on point guards (Beno, Hill, CoJo, Kyle) that weren't stashed.

[jyra]

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I have watched him at the FIBA Asia Championship and he played really well in that tournament. The level of play is obviously not the highest but his skill set is certainly intriguing.
It's not every day that you see a 7' 2" (7' 6.5" wingspan) center who has range all the way out to the three point line and is capable of protecting the rim. He is no stiff either, moving quite well for his size. His biggest weakness is his lack of strength. The guy is probably as skinny as Bertans when he was drafted.
Apart from the physical development you also have to factor in the language barrier and getting used to another culture. So he would definitely be a very long term project.

I think he has a higher ceiling than both Milutinov and Boban but who knows if he can live to that. He's pretty much the definition of a high risk-high reward pick. But when you are picking 29th I don't think you can pass up that type of potential.

[raybies]

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I have watched him at the FIBA Asia Championship and he played really well in that tournament. The level of play is obviously not the highest but his skill set is certainly intriguing.
It's not every day that you see a 7' 2" (7' 6.5" wingspan) center who has range all the way out to the three point line and is capable of protecting the rim. He is no stiff either, moving quite well for his size. His biggest weakness is his lack of strength. The guy is probably as skinny as Bertans when he was drafted.
Apart from the physical development you also have to factor in the language barrier and getting used to another culture. So he would definitely be a very long term project.

I think he has a higher ceiling than both Milutinov and Boban but who knows if he can live to that. He's pretty much the definition of a high risk-high reward pick. But when you are picking 29th I don't think you can pass up that type of potential.

While the offensive aspect is tantalizing, just the thought of him getting abused in the post turns me off. I have watched draft express vid on him I think he'll be a bust. He would have to have the mental toughness and fortitude to succeed here. I mean does he play scrappy or with attitude in any way that would lead you to be believe he won't get pushed around here.

My previous post share who I'm enamored with so I won't beat a dead horse but if we are gonna draft a project I would rather go with ibeh. Already has the size and athleticism of a pro just need to see if he can continue to improve and establish himself.

I'll watch his highlights again but I remember thinking he had lottery talent.

[jyra]

That draftexpress video certainly isn't very flattering. I don't remember him being that soft. You would have to watch some more video of his recent games to really tell how tough he is. I'll see if I can dig something up. His team is currently playing in the playoffs against Marbury's team.

[Ditty]

Don't really start looking at these mock drafts until May, but I looked quickly at draftexpress.com. Not sure if it's based on teams needs, or BPA at that pick, but currently they have the Spurs taking 6'11 power forward Petr Cornelie from France at the 29th pick. Looks like it's a very solid big man draft from small forwards-centers. As mentioned the Spurs really need to look at developing a point guard, even possibly a shooting guard/playmaking guard for the future. This Cornelie kids looks pretty impressive from those videos, he looks like he has the skill set of a lottery pick with how quick he moves for a seven shooter and how well he shoots from all over the floor. My guess is that he is a tweener between being a power forward and small forward, and he will be already 21 by the start of next year's NBA season if he comes over right away which I doubt in the Spurs system he will be at least 23 when he comes over. Also don't think the Spurs will want three rookies on the roster as I think Jean-Charles and Bertans will be on this roster next season. If he works on his ball handling the sky could be the limit for this kid, especially as a small ball four. Think his lack of strength, and rebounding will be solved if he moves to a three in the NBA and possibly move Kawhi to a big two if they ever move him to the starting lineup.

[Drom John]

2016 DraftExpress NBA Mock Draft
Team needs have NOT been taken into account.
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[BD24]

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I have watched him at the FIBA Asia Championship and he played really well in that tournament. The level of play is obviously not the highest but his skill set is certainly intriguing.
It's not every day that you see a 7' 2" (7' 6.5" wingspan) center who has range all the way out to the three point line and is capable of protecting the rim. He is no stiff either, moving quite well for his size. His biggest weakness is his lack of strength. The guy is probably as skinny as Bertans when he was drafted.
Apart from the physical development you also have to factor in the language barrier and getting used to another culture. So he would definitely be a very long term project.

I think he has a higher ceiling than both Milutinov and Boban but who knows if he can live to that. He's pretty much the definition of a high risk-high reward pick. But when you are picking 29th I don't think you can pass up that type of potential.
Jesus christ please don't pick this piece of shit. He looked like garbage at the Nike Hoops summit, NBA athletes are going to take a giant shit on him.

[CGD]

Jonathan Simmons + 2 solid prospects likely making the jump from Europe this summer sounds like another draft and stash with the 29th.

Would be awesome if they tried to move up to get a good pg prospect attaching one of the aforementioned assets.

[raybies]

Imo this is how I see the roster breaking down in the off-season

Tony
Danny
Kawhi
LMA
Veteran Deal with Cap if we waive diaw or exception if we keep diaw

Patty
Simmons
Anderson

McCallum resigned
Diaw could be traded at draft time depending on postseason performance
Manu retires
Duncan retires
West walks if we don't win it all or retires
Boban walks best contract
Bonner retires if not waived this season

Ray

We will need a sg, a sf, a stretch four, a four, two centers

Bertans for the stretch four
Livio Jean Charles the four

Two veterans for the sg and sf
Butler one more year?

As for the centers, we'll already have two rookies in this scenario. So maybe we can find a bargain big man like Hibbert or mozgov and we can resign boban for about 4-5 million per. He'll probably get an insane contract from someone looking at his advanced stats. And then Ndoye or draft a big.

And that's why I'm looking for bigs in this draft. But a defensive minded guard also makes since.

Top picks

1.isaia cordinier draft and stash pick solid all around talent
2. Aj hammons best rim protector in college. Senior, ready to play now. Solid third big prospect
3. Gary Payton
4. Grayson Allen

I've soured a bit on ibeh. At this point, not worth the risk for a first round pick. Maybe if we can acquire a second round pick for him, maybe in a diaw trade. I like hammons more now. Better all around player.

[dbestpro]

Valentine could be that big PG of the future,

[raybies]

Valentine could be that big PG of the future,

I wish we could get him. All around player that can play.

[Kawhitstorm]

I wish we could get him. All around player that can play.


Valentine could be that big PG of the future,

With the small-ball phenomena & teams looking for the next Draymond Green, he's going to be picked in the lottery.:lol

[Mal]

Does Marjanovic and/or Anderson and 29th get us in Valentine range 15-20 ? :hat I believe that Marjanovic is gone already and Anderson will be replaced by Bertrans.

[Chinook]

Does Marjanovic and/or Anderson and 29th get us in Valentine range 15-20 ? :hat I believe that Marjanovic is gone already and Anderson will be replaced by Bertrans.

Can't trade a pending free agent, and Anderson is better than Bertans and Valentine.

[Mal]

Can't trade a pending free agent, and Anderson is better than Bertans and Valentine.

Anderson is our only asset that can be traded. Bertrans will be a backup to Kawhi. And we need to find new Manu. Valentine is NBA ready prospect, who is PG in SG body.

[Chinook]

Anderson is our only asset that can be traded. Bertrans will be a backup to Kawhi. And we need to find new Manu. Valentine is NBA ready prospect, who is PG in SG body.

Can totally trade Bertans, LJC or any of the other stashed guys. And the Spurs don't need to find a new Manu. They need to come up with a new idea for their bench. Trading Patty and getting a real PG for the second unit is an idea.

[Mal]

Can totally trade Bertans, LJC or any of the other stashed guys. And the Spurs don't need to find a new Manu. They need to come up with a new idea for their bench. Trading Patty and getting a real PG for the second unit is an idea.

LJC and Bertans have little close to non-value. Cant gain 10 sports in draft by trading them. Bigger PG could be Valentine. For couple seasons bench is all about moving the ball between all-around guys. Valentine is one. I am really hyped about this guy, but Spurs can get him, when he breaks his leg or something.

[Chinook]

Spurs can get him, when he breaks his leg or something.

Then you know what to do.

[eDizzle20]

There looks to be a lot of late first round talent. Grayson Allen has really excelled this season, has a great motor to go along with his long distance shooting and ability to attack the rim. With Manu close to retirement he's a viable option for the future.

[elemento]

For the SG position I like Patrick McCaw.

Light body, long, great size for a SG (6'7). Good shooter, good ball-handling skills and can create for him and for others.

I don't know if he is going to declare for this draft and I've seen him in some mocks as a mid 2nd rounder, but I think he will rise. He would flourish in Pop's system considering that he is a SG that can create for others "a la Manu".

[Chinook]

There looks to be a lot of late first round talent.

This is really the biggest thing. The Spurs better not stash their pick again.

[Chinook]

LeVert anyone? Dude is a 6-7 PG who has good fundamentals and skill. Would be nice to slot him next to Anderson and Mills, or even at SF with Kyle at PF. Dude is ranked so low because he has some injury concerns and is too skinny right now. But that seems like a great pick for store in Austin for two years. He's only 20.

[elemento]

It's crazy how Skal Labissiere was a lock as a top 3 pick a year ago and now several mocks have him a mid 1st round pick, some even out of the lottery. (like DX in 19th).

I don't think he will fall that much at all and people still remember how Andre Drummond fell in the 2012 draft and the Pistons ended up with a massive steal taking him @ 9th.

[CGD]

Watch quite a bit of Maryland ball my neck of the woods. If Melo Trimble drops, I like him as the pg prospect.

[CGD]

Anyone else get the feeling this is the type of draft (weak, etc) that the Spurs front office will be opportunitic in?

[CGD]

Not sure where this goes, sorry.

Found the recent Zach Lowe article interesting in that Minni was close to dealing Rubio at the deadline. If that offer if there at next year's deadline/2017 summer Id be making calls offering picks, etc. I get the shooting limitations but he is a stud everywhere else, including defense.

I like what Detroit did this deadline, in effectively using their capspace early by trading for decent contracts.

[jesterbobman]

LeVert anyone? Dude is a 6-7 PG who has good fundamentals and skill. Would be nice to slot him next to Anderson and Mills, or even at SF with Kyle at PF. Dude is ranked so low because he has some injury concerns and is too skinny right now. But that seems like a great pick for store in Austin for two years. He's only 20.

I like Levert. He's been on my list for a while, as I like being able to run offence through multiple positions (Pretty central to the Spurs). Fact he can do that, has size for SG, and can shoot means he ticks the main boxes. Grayson Allen is the other guy in range, I think Levert is better (though he's a year older - he's 22 in August, Allen will be 21)

[Kawhitstorm]

Not sure where this goes, sorry.

Found the recent Zach Lowe article interesting in that Minni was close to dealing Rubio at the deadline. If that offer if there at next year's deadline/2017 summer Id be making calls offering picks, etc. I get the shooting limitations but he is a stud everywhere else, including defense.

I like what Detroit did this deadline, in effectively using their capspace early by trading for decent contracts.

Rubio isn't a "stud" defensively although he gets a lot of steals by jumping in the passing lanes & he sucks at finishing at the rim on top of his shooting. He doesn't fit the Spurs system b/c the offense is either going to run through Kawhi/LMA w/ the starters or motion offense w/ the bench, his inability to shoot would make him a bad fit for either one ala De Colo.

In any case, there won't be any starting PG tier acquisition until 2018 unless Tony raptures his achillies. Until then the only I can see happening is bringing back George Hill to play backup in 2017 since Patty will be a free agent then maybe go after Chris Paul in 2018 (he'll be ring chasing like Kidd) when Tony will hopefully retire (but unlikely since he want to play 20 season:bang).

I'm hoping they draft Gary Payton II to play the CoJo role b/c I don't see PATFO splurging on a PG this upcoming summer but rather replacements for Tim/Manu.

Ideally, Tony accepts a backup role in 2017 (Patty will be a free agent) & they sign Jrue Holiday (he's the same age as Kawhi). Jrue is a big point guard & can actually play alongside Tony without it be an issue on defense. If Tim/Manu retire this summer then they are going to have to sign salvage players like Noah/Mayo to a 1 year contract then dump Diaw's partially guaranteed contract to maintain a cap space for a Jrue tier player 2017. Most likely that won't happen b/c players with market value won't sign a 1 yr contract without an option which will cause uncertainties thus the most likely course is going after George Hill in 2017 to replace Patty then Chris Paul in 2018 to replace Tony.

[SAGirl]

Rubio isn't a "stud" defensively although he gets a lot of steals by jumping in the passing lanes & he sucks at finishing at the rim on top of his shooting. He doesn't fit the Spurs system b/c the offense is either going to run through Kawhi/LMA w/ the starters or motion offense w/ the bench, his inability to shoot would make him a bad fit for either one ala De Colo.

In any case, there won't be any starting PG tier acquisition until 2018 unless Tony raptures his achillies. Until then the only I can see happening is bringing back George Hill to play backup in 2017 since Patty will be a free agent then maybe go after Chris Paul in 2018 (he'll be ring chasing like Kidd) when Tony will hopefully retire (but unlikely since he want to play 20 season:bang).

I'm hoping they draft Gary Payton II to play the CoJo role b/c I don't see PATFO splurging on a PG this upcoming summer but rather replacements for Tim/Manu.

Ideally, Tony accepts a backup role in 2017 (Patty will be a free agent) & they sign Jrue Holiday (he's the same age as Kawhi). Jrue is a big point guard & can actually play alongside Tony without it be an issue on defense. If Tim/Manu retire this summer then they are going to have to sign salvage players like Noah/Mayo to a 1 year contract then dump Diaw's partially guaranteed contract to maintain a cap space for a Jrue tier player 2017. Most likely that won't happen b/c players with market value won't sign a 1 yr contract without an option which will cause uncertainties thus the most likely course is going after George Hill in 2017 to replace Patty then Chris Paul in 2018 to replace Tony.
This discussion is interesting, but I do hope they sign a PG prospect bc A.Miller is a stopgap for this season and they will need someone younger next season and it probably won't be a dleague salvage bc for the past couple seasons the best dleague point guards have been tiny men by nba standards and we have too much of that

I am also unsure and doubtful that they let Patty go. He's a big part of the bench and I have seen Pop grooming him for a 6th man role in Manu's absence. He has improved all aspects of his playmaking game, although he's such a good shooter and scorer off the ball that we prefer to see him off the ball. He's also so tiny that making passes is difficult for him and they get deflected a lot, but he's improved.

More than anything I'd look fir a younger prospect with size so he can fit in with Mills/Anderson and play as a SG some minutes.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Trade Leonard and Aldridge for second rounders, time to rebuild!!

[FaM0us Skins]

Trade Leonard and Aldridge for second rounders, time to rebuild!!

:ban::frying:

[BD24]

It's crazy how Skal Labissiere was a lock as a top 3 pick a year ago and now several mocks have him a mid 1st round pick, some even out of the lottery. (like DX in 19th).

I don't think he will fall that much at all and people still remember how Andre Drummond fell in the 2012 draft and the Pistons ended up with a massive steal taking him @ 9th.
Really hopeful he keeps dropping. If he can drop to somewhere outside the lottery and the Spurs could trade up for him that would be amazing.

[Kawhitstorm]

More than anything I'd look fir a younger prospect with size so he can fit in with Mills/Anderson and play as a SG some minutes.

That could basically be George Hill if he doesn't mind coming off the bench. Until Tony's contract expires, all they could really sign is proven backup combo guards. If they draft Gary Payton II & he turns into a rotation player then he can play w/ Patty since he's basically the same size as George Hill but Kyle would have to improve his outside shooting since GP II is CoJo status.:lol

Jrue Holiday is a long shot since the Pelicans probably want to re-sign him but he would be the perfect fit to play along side either Porker or Patty. Maybe Tony completely breakdown next season following a long summer (Olympics) & PATFO decided to go hard looking for a starting PG in 2017. (If not Jrue then Teague who has played for Bud)

[elemento]

Really hopeful he keeps dropping. If he can drop to somewhere outside the lottery and the Spurs could trade up for him that would be amazing.

Me too man. I think SA would develop him into a stud.

[sasaint]

Wade Baldwin, PG,

Or

Malcolm Brogdon, Combo Guard.

[Kawhitstorm]

Sean ****** sent on scouting duty assignment by CIA Pop:

E3ccSyYlweU

[apalisoc_9]

Is Jonathan Simmons worth a mid 2nd rounder? Dont follow the draft much. If simmons is worth a 2nd rounder, just draft levert and Payton and figure out who is a better fit in the summer league.

I'm positive next year is another win now mode.

[SAGirl]

Is Jonathan Simmons worth a mid 2nd rounder? Dont follow the draft much. If simmons is worth a 2nd rounder, just draft levert and Payton and figure out who is a better fit in the summer league.

I'm positive next year is another win now mode.

I don't know but I doubt it. He will be 27 yrs old next season and he's had some nice stats but he's been in and out of the rotation and his credibility as a shooter can be questioned since he's been such a reluctant shooter to begin with. I suppose it's possible for a very low draft pick but it might not even be worth it in that case if the pick is too low, like the one we gave up for Ray Mac (top 55 protected that we'll give up bc we are bound to pick 59-60 in the 2nd round anyways.)

I still maintain that he's a nice partner for Anderson, who needs a more athletic wing to be the recipient for all the opportunities he can create or will eventually be able to create for him, but for Simmons to be viable he needs to play off others, so in a way he is probably very vested and dependent on Anderson's development in the Spurs taking off next season if Manu retires bc they complement each other's games very well.

I actually think that is a big reason why Simmons wasn't cut even when he hasn't been playing too well. On the one hand, even if he has a limited ceiling as an energy guy if he cleans up his mistakes and his role is limited he can be a rotation player taking advantages of opportunities created by others. As a second factor, if you believe in Kyle Anderson's development you can project that the two guys can play well together.

If Anderson cannot be that guy though, or needs more time, then all of a sudden you need a better prospect, which is why I think we should get a second prospect in the draft to compete with him anyways and push him. It's worked out in the past for the Spurs to have several guard prospects from which one or two rotation players may emerge.

Maybe Chinook or someone else can add considering the possibility of giving up Simmons+ a foreign prospect for a higher level drat pick.

[SAGirl]

Sean ****** sent on scouting duty assignment by CIA Pop:

E3ccSyYlweU
You might be into something. Sean loooooves Anderson and saw him play in the Ncaa several times.

[Kawhitstorm]

Is Jonathan Simmons worth a mid 2nd rounder? Dont follow the draft much. If simmons is worth a 2nd rounder, just draft levert and Payton and figure out who is a better fit in the summer league.

I'm positive next year is another win now mode.

If next year is a "win now" mode then might as well keep Simmons b/c he more NBA ready.

[apalisoc_9]

If next year is a "win now" mode then might as well keep Simmons b/c he more NBA ready.

Yeah but he wont be playing.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah but he wont be playing.

The 2nd rd pick won't be playing either so might as well keep the proven commodity who's good enough to be a 3rd string wing.

[BackHome]

With the small-ball phenomena & teams looking for the next Draymond Green, he's going to be picked in the lottery.:lol

Weaknesses: LeVert does have some glaring weaknesses and the one that sticks out immediately is lack of strength ... He needs to put on weight so he can’t be bullied by bigger opponents and to improve his finishing at the rim ... Because of this he tends to settle for midrange jumpers where he struggles mightily, shooting under 30% between the paint and 3 pt line last season ... While he appears to show some playmaking ability he struggles in the half court to set up his teammates consistently ... Despite his athletic tools he’s an inconsistent defender due to technique, a tendency to jump passing lanes and his aforementioned lack of strength …draft net.


But his strength and his age might make us take him a high reward or risk type of player but won't be ready until maybe third year?

[BackHome]

Anybody watch Hammons game last night. He and Ibeh are my top two, by far. Unlike ibeh, hammons has a post game and can shoot up to 18 footers and not a liability at the line. And he's a big body. 7 footer about 280. Defensively, he's a rim protector. He uses solid positional skills to block shots at the rim and alter many more. He has a presence about him. Purdue gets him plenty of touches on the post, and he does a good job finding the open man when doubled.

Also like Caleb Swanigan on Purdue for the future.

I think you are right about Hammons but I think he is going to move up in the boards and be out of our reach..

Another guy that I'd like to see the spurs send a summer league invite to is Connor Lammert. Stretch 4 that's a solid defender.

[urunobili]

Hammons would be an ideal Spur.

Swanigan has a tendency to shoot bad selfish shots unexpectedly in delicate situations.

BTW I live 23 miles east of Purdue Campus...

[eDizzle20]

Interested to watch Gary Payton II today. With a such a PG heavy league having an antheletic, defensive PG is key.

[Kawhitstorm]

Interested to watch Gary Payton II today. With a such a PG heavy league having an antheletic, defensive PG is key.

19(9/17)/6/4/4 (1 TO), Glad the Beavers got bounced in the 1st rd before GPII got any national coverage ala George Hill.

[ace3g]

Thomas Walkup (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/thomas-walkup-1.html), Gary Payton II, Domantas Sabonis

[raybies]

Stephen Zimmerman, Melo Trimble, AJ Hammons

[Kawhitstorm]

19(9/17)/6/4/4 (1 TO), Glad the Beavers got bounced in the 1st rd before GPII got any national coverage ala George Hill.

dXgHN1l5kk8

[sasaint]

I don't know but I doubt it. He will be 27 yrs old next season and he's had some nice stats but he's been in and out of the rotation and his credibility as a shooter can be questioned since he's been such a reluctant shooter to begin with. I suppose it's possible for a very low draft pick but it might not even be worth it in that case if the pick is too low, like the one we gave up for Ray Mac (top 55 protected that we'll give up bc we are bound to pick 59-60 in the 2nd round anyways.)

I still maintain that he's a nice partner for Anderson, who needs a more athletic wing to be the recipient for all the opportunities he can create or will eventually be able to create for him, but for Simmons to be viable he needs to play off others, so in a way he is probably very vested and dependent on Anderson's development in the Spurs taking off next season if Manu retires bc they complement each other's games very well.

I actually think that is a big reason why Simmons wasn't cut even when he hasn't been playing too well. On the one hand, even if he has a limited ceiling as an energy guy if he cleans up his mistakes and his role is limited he can be a rotation player taking advantages of opportunities created by others. As a second factor, if you believe in Kyle Anderson's development you can project that the two guys can play well together.

If Anderson cannot be that guy though, or needs more time, then all of a sudden you need a better prospect, which is why I think we should get a second prospect in the draft to compete with him anyways and push him. It's worked out in the past for the Spurs to have several guard prospects from which one or two rotation players may emerge.

Maybe Chinook or someone else can add considering the possibility of giving up Simmons+ a foreign prospect for a higher level drat pick.

I still believe Simmons will come around and become a rotation player. In addition to complementing Kyle (and vice versa), he works well with Kawhi. People tend to overlook the fact that when he was catching everybody's eye he and Kawhi were working well together.

BUT if Simmons has any trade value to us, I believe it is in a package with our late first round pick to move up a few spots to grab a player that has fallen. We need more immediate help than we are apt to get out of our late first and a mid second round pick.

[jesterbobman]

PGs projected for the late 1st ( or later) seem like the biggest plus area of the draft going by the difference between their stats rank and projected position. Different stats systems and big boards will order differently, though looking at ESPN: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14987234/ranking-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-top-prospects-2016-nba-draft-statistical-projections

Fred van Fleet: #1 stats, #62 Big Board,
Wade Baldwin: #6 stats, #17 Big Board
Tyler Ulis: #11 stats, #22 big board
Gary Payton Jr: #4 stats, #42 Big Board
Monte Morris: #9 stats, # 46 big board

My lazy predictor of Spurs draft picks over recent years is long for position, and a stats pick. That knocks out Ulis, though the others all seem like options.

Other good stats, low big board guys on that list are Boucher (Oregon), Warney (Stony Brook) Hart (Villanova), Patrick McCaw (UNLV) and Tyler Davis (A&M).

[Kawhitstorm]

Gary Payton Jr: #4 stats, #42 Big Board


:lobt2:

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1230078621/254099576_bigger.jpg Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress)

Thomas Walkup is an incredibly unique, versatile player. Great for him to get this platform to showcase his skills. Feel is off the charts.


Bobby Marks Verified account ‏@BobbyMarks42 (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42) Bobby Marks Retweeted Jonathan Givony
The one thing (among many) that stand out is the high release on his shot.

[sasaint]

PGs projected for the late 1st ( or later) seem like the biggest plus area of the draft going by the difference between their stats rank and projected position. Different stats systems and big boards will order differently, though looking at ESPN: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14987234/ranking-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-top-prospects-2016-nba-draft-statistical-projections

Fred van Fleet: #1 stats, #62 Big Board,
Wade Baldwin: #6 stats, #17 Big Board
Tyler Ulis: #11 stats, #22 big board
Gary Payton Jr: #4 stats, #42 Big Board
Monte Morris: #9 stats, # 46 big board

My lazy predictor of Spurs draft picks over recent years is long for position, and a stats pick. That knocks out Ulis, though the others all seem like options.

Other good stats, low big board guys on that list are Boucher (Oregon), Warney (Stony Brook) Hart (Villanova), Patrick McCaw (UNLV) and Tyler Davis (A&M).

Although he is listed as a SG, I project Malcolm Brogdon as a combo guard. ACC Player of the Year, DPOY, great leadership skills and very good ball handling skill for a SG. His 3-point shooting has improved every year. Talk about the perfect Spur! What kind of stats and Big Board slots do you have for him?

I also like Wade Baldwin - very good BBIQ.

[Kawhitstorm]

(https://twitter.com/DraftExpress)

Thomas Walkup is an incredibly unique, versatile player. Great for him to get this platform to showcase his skills. Feel is off the charts.


White Gary Neal:lol


Although he is listed as a SG, I project Malcolm Brogdon as a combo guard. ACC Player of the Year, DPOY, great leadership skills and very good ball handling skill for a SG. His 3-point shooting has improved every year. Talk about the perfect Spur! What kind of stats and Big Board slots do you have for him?

I also like Wade Baldwin - very good BBIQ.

Although he plays as a combo guard in college, Brogdon doesn't have the foot-speed to check NBA point guards & Baldwin doesn't have the ball handling skills to play point in the NBA.

[eDizzle20]

How is Georges Niang not in any of these mock drafts, such as Draft Express?

[Chinook]

I just added 10 new profiles for guys in this draft. If there are other guys you want to take about, make a thread (following the format if you could) or just request it here, and I'll get to it.

[Chinook]

I just added 10 new profiles for guys in this draft. If there are other guys you want to take about, make a thread (following the format if you could) or just request it here, and I'll get to it.

To follow up with this, I ended up making a thread for every prospect I saw mentioned in this thread. We have 44 prospects covered so far. If there are others you want, just notify me or something (or make a thread yourself for my approval). Make sure you check the prospect index (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258752&goto=newpost) for this year before requesting or making a new thread. There are many players we haven't covered, but everyone we've discussed so far has been taken care of, so it's very possible you can find your man by just checking by his last name.

[BackHome]

Thanks Chinook for all you do appreciate it!!...:)

[Spurs9]

Theres going to be so many players enter the draft this year

[BackHome]

This is going to be a very deep draft. The Spurs can get some talent to contribute right away or they can roll the dice on more potential and do draft and stash.

[Chinook]

This is going to be a very deep draft. The Spurs can get some talent to contribute right away or they can roll the dice on more potential and do draft and stash.

I may vomit if they draft and stash again. There's just too much talent at positions of need for them to pass it up to save money. The Spurs will have their pick of five or six guys who could theoretically help them at 29. Insane.

[BackHome]

I agree they are a lot of good bigs that are going to start pushing their way up to the first round. So I see some very good PG and SG falling within our pick.

Not to sure if the Spurs want to replace Manu position with a rookie? So I am thinking PG or Big. But with RC you never know.

[TrainOfThought5]

Interested to watch Gary Payton II today. With a such a PG heavy league having an antheletic, defensive PG is key.

Would he be better than Patrick beverly?

[Escawun3]

What about Vezenkov ? is he eligible ?

[Chinook]

What about Vezenkov ? is he eligible ?

Would you (and everyone else) please put people's full names if you want threads on them? I have no idea who that guy is.

[jyra]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aleksandar-Vezenkov-6429/

He is only eligible to be drafted if he enters his name. Seeing how he hasn't really played that much for Barcelona this season it's unlikely that it happens though. I don't think an unathletic tweener like him would do too well in the NBA.

[Escawun3]

Sorry my bad.. and thanks Jyra for the info, I thought he was better lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Would he be better than Patrick beverly?

I guess you could say he's bigger a Patrick Beverley w/ Simmons type athleticism. Beverley isn't a great finisher but is a better spot-up shooter; GPII is like CoJo on offense. Overall, best comparison is Avery Bradley w/ CoJo's shooting touch/range.

[TD 21]

Interested to watch Gary Payton II today. With a such a PG heavy league having an antheletic, defensive PG is key.

I suspect this is going to be their primary focus. Obviously, if it's not there, they can't force it, but they need to replace Joseph.

He'd have eventually replaced Ginobili in the rotation, when he retires and though not the heir apparent to Parker, at least been a stop gap option.

[Kawhitstorm]

He'd have eventually replaced Ginobili in the rotation, when he retires and though not the heir apparent to Parker, at least been a stop gap option.

His future is as a 3rd string PG/defensive specialist. If he fixes his jumper then he will be a legit backup like CoJo. If he gets drafted then he's going to replace Miller not Manu.:lol (Someone like Courtney Lee would be a nice replacement for Manu w/ Kyle playing point-forward)

[TD 21]

His future is as a 3rd string PG/defensive specialist. If he fixes his jumper then he will be a legit backup like CoJo. If he gets drafted then he's going to replace Miller not Manu.:lol (Someone like Courtney Lee would be a nice replacement for Manu w/ Kyle playing point-forward)

I wasn't talking about Payton specifically. I meant in general, they need someone in his mold, only better.

It's possible the eventual Ginobili replacement (in the rotation, not necessarily in role) doubles as the third point guard, as Joseph would have, had he outlasted Ginobili.

[Kawhitstorm]

I wasn't talking about Payton specifically. I meant in general, they need someone in his mold, only better.

It's possible the eventual Ginobili replacement (in the rotation, not necessarily in role) doubles as the third point guard, as Joseph would have, had he outlasted Ginobili.

PATFO can ditch K-Mart & pickup Mayo who has played as a combo guard in the past. They just need to put Mayo on the 2013 Patty diet.:lol

[Chinook]

Drom John, I tried to PM you, but you have that feature deactivated. I was just trying to remind you to check the player index threads before trying to make or suggest a new thread. We already have a thread on Malik Beasley, so we don't need another. Same goes for everyone here.

[TD 21]

PATFO can ditch K-Mart & pickup Mayo who has played as a combo guard in the past. They just need to put Mayo on the 2013 Patty diet.:lol

Not Spurs material and even if he was, can't run an offense and can't defend point guards.

[Kawhitstorm]

Not Spurs material and even if he was, can't run an offense and can't defend point guards.

Mayo was actually pretty good in Dallas when he was asked to run the offense. He disappears when he had to play off the ball & checks-out if he isn't getting touches which is what happened when Dirk came back from injury.

BPEEnISUYIs

dugN9scyd_U

He's a better option than K-Mart if PATFO are looking for someone who can approximate Manu although he is looking to score first rather than pass. He is a MUCH better defender than K-Mart & doesn't depend on the refs to put up points. He's a hybrid of Patty/Diaw as far as skillset, girth & motor.:lol

He was a solid 6th man for the Bucks last season before he let himself go during the summer:

YeBCLHhPHec

Tiwwpv3zwrU

As far as his attitude, he seems like a hot-head but so was Stephen Jackson. If he's willing to sacrifice money to play for a championship, I would assume that's an indication he has matured & is 'over himself' b/c dude was a childhood phenom ala Lance Stephenson:

_6AywfzAU80

[TD 21]

Mayo was actually pretty good in Dallas when he was asked to run the offense. He disappears when he had to play off the ball & checks-out if he isn't getting touches which is what happened when Dirk came back from injury.

BPEEnISUYIs

dugN9scyd_U

He's a better option than K-Mart if PATFO are looking for someone who can approximate Manu although he is looking to score first rather than pass. He is a MUCH better defender than K-Mart & doesn't depend on the refs to put up points. He's a hybrid of Patty/Diaw as far as skillset, girth & motor.:lol

He was a solid 6th man for the Bucks last season before he let himself go during the summer:

YeBCLHhPHec

Tiwwpv3zwrU

As far as his attitude, he seems like a hot-head but so was Stephen Jackson. If he's willing to sacrifice money to play for a championship, I would assume that's an indication he has matured & is 'over himself' b/c dude was a childhood phenom ala Lance Stephenson:

_6AywfzAU80

I don't mind Mayo, but I don't even consider him a combo guard and he's definitely not Spurs material.

I'm not a fan, but I could see them pursuing a different backup Bucks guard: Vasquez.

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't mind Mayo, but I don't even consider him a combo guard and he's definitely not Spurs material.

I'm not a fan, but I could see them pursuing a different backup Bucks guard: Vasquez.

I agree, PATFO are more likely to pursue someone like Vasquez especially since his market value will be pretty low coming off a down season.

[SAGirl]

I like this guy. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Dejounte-Murray-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-5405/
He's very young and could be feasible for us.

[Kawhitstorm]

I like this guy. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Dejounte-Murray-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-5405/
He's very young and could be feasible for us.

He's projected to be a "lottery" pick: http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

[SAGirl]

He's projected to be a "lottery" pick: http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft
Oh I missed that.... :-( I have to review PG/SG rankings. He wasn't that high earlier on. He's two years away from contributing, but being so young if makes sense.

[raybies]

Can someone make a thread for Thon Maker. Interesting prospect. I like his motor. Has heart and has range. 7 footer. Also mentioned something about playing behind Aldridge. 19 years old.

Prospects I'm looking at right now, or flavors of the month:
Ben Bentil
Thon Maker
Petr Cornelie
AJ Hammons
Melo Trimble
Isaia Cordinier
For bigs, looking for players with range that can defend and protect the rim. For points, looking for players that can stretch the floor and operate out of the pick and roll. Defense is a plus.

I think with kawhi and lma as the pillars, they need to be surrounded with players that can hit the three and at a high clip. If you can package defense with it it's a plus. We also need (a) playmaker(s). High IQ, intangibles, feel all a plus.

Most glaring need is a big imo. I think we can get by playing bobo next to LMA next year and will probably be our best lineup we can reasonably muster considering the options. Although, bobo as a full-time starter has a very short shelf life so I think someone in that mold and by that I mean spacer and defender stretch four type I think will be what we're looking for. I really don't see any guards with taking with a first round pick. This year is deep with bigs.

[BD24]

Can someone make a thread for Thon Maker. Interesting prospect. I like his motor. Has heart and has range. 7 footer. Also mentioned something about playing behind Aldridge. 19 years old.

Prospects I'm looking at right now, or flavors of the month:
Ben Bentil
Thon Maker
Petr Cornelie
AJ Hammons
Melo Trimble
Isaia Cordinier
For bigs, looking for players with range that can defend and protect the rim. For points, looking for players that can stretch the floor and operate out of the pick and roll. Defense is a plus.

I think with kawhi and lma as the pillars, they need to be surrounded with players that can hit the three and at a high clip. If you can package defense with it it's a plus. We also need (a) playmaker(s). High IQ, intangibles, feel all a plus.

Most glaring need is a big imo. I think we can get by playing bobo next to LMA next year and will probably be our best lineup we can reasonably muster considering the options. Although, bobo as a full-time starter has a very short shelf life so I think someone in that mold and by that I mean spacer and defender stretch four type I think will be what we're looking for. I really don't see any guards with taking with a first round pick. This year is deep with bigs.
Thon Maker hasn't impressed me. Its easy to look great when you are going against unathletic whiteboys and you have a good 6 inches on everyone you are playing against. When he has been pitted against other great players in the same age group he has looked pretty unimpressive. Maybe he will make me eat crow, but I think he looks like a bust.

[raybies]

Thon Maker hasn't impressed me. Its easy to look great when you are going against unathletic whiteboys and you have a good 6 inches on everyone you are playing against. When he has been pitted against other great players in the same age group he has looked pretty unimpressive. Maybe he will make me eat crow, but I think he looks like a bust.

You just never know with kids that work hard. But I agree a more surer thing would be better cause he's so raw.

[BD24]

You just never know with kids that work hard. But I agree a more surer thing would be better cause he's so raw.
As far as guards in the draft that could possibly fall to us check out Malik Beasley, I think he could be a great fit for us if he drops far enough.

[Mr. Body]

Korkmaz.

[BackHome]

Can someone make a thread for Thon Maker. Interesting prospect. I like his motor. Has heart and has range. 7 footer. Also mentioned something about playing behind Aldridge. 19 years old.

Prospects I'm looking at right now, or flavors of the month:
Ben Bentil
Thon Maker
Petr Cornelie
AJ Hammons
Melo Trimble
Isaia Cordinier
For bigs, looking for players with range that can defend and protect the rim. For points, looking for players that can stretch the floor and operate out of the pick and roll. Defense is a plus.

I think with kawhi and lma as the pillars, they need to be surrounded with players that can hit the three and at a high clip. If you can package defense with it it's a plus. We also need (a) playmaker(s). High IQ, intangibles, feel all a plus.

Most glaring need is a big imo. I think we can get by playing bobo next to LMA next year and will probably be our best lineup we can reasonably muster considering the options. Although, bobo as a full-time starter has a very short shelf life so I think someone in that mold and by that I mean spacer and defender stretch four type I think will be what we're looking for. I really don't see any guards with taking with a first round pick. This year is deep with bigs.

Hey Ray:

I really like your list I looked at tape on Isaia Cordinier the kid from France impressed me he has good handles, can shoot, can get to the rim and likes to plays defense. With Manu likely hanging it up we need another ball handler and it seems this kid could be a good pick.

[raybies]

Hey Ray:

I really like your list I looked at tape on Isaia Cordinier the kid from France impressed me he has good handles, can shoot, can get to the rim and likes to plays defense. With Manu likely hanging it up we need another ball handler and it seems this kid could be a good pick.
Yeah I like him. He's a two way player and he's young. Reminds me of Devin Booker. I'm not sure he has potential to be as good but he could be solid.

My new list:
Ante Zizic
Isaia Cordinier
Melo Trimble
Ben Bentil
Petr Cornelie

[Chinook]

Riding that Beasley train pretty hard right now. Bembry is also nice. A score-first guard who can defend PGs potentially at a high level is my wish right now.

[raybies]

Riding that Beasley train pretty hard right now. Bembry is also nice. A score-first guard who can defend PGs potentially at a high level is my wish right now.

The only thing I don't like about Beasley is his height but the same could be said about Cordinier. Cordinier could also be a potential lock down defender as a guard. He's got the motor. I'm starting to really like Zizic. Too many red flags with Ibeh and Hammons so I've went soured a bit. But Zizic had potential to be a really good defender on the perimeter and inside. He's a pnr guy. Good finisher and he has some range which is a must with LMA and kawhi.

[BD24]

Riding that Beasley train pretty hard right now. Bembry is also nice. A score-first guard who can defend PGs potentially at a high level is my wish right now.
Same here with Beasley. Really like his game. Think he could come in and make an impact off the bench as a spark plug as early as next year.

Have you heard anything about George De Paula recently? He was getting some hype before the draft last year and then pulled out. Haven't heard anything about him since then though. I really liked him as a late first or mid second round pick. Curious if he has plans to enter the draft this year.

[Drom John]

Thon Maker

Bleacher Report by Alec Nathan, 27 April 2016

29. San Antonio Spurs

[raybies]

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One of the guys I like. Think he could be a fantastic player with starter potential next year if Duncan retires

[elemento]

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One of the guys I like. Think he could be a fantastic player with starter potential next year if Duncan retires

If you have time, take a look on Patrick McCaw (6'7 SG from UNLV) . I believe he is one of the biggest sleepers on this draft.

He is still my favorite for the Spurs pick.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/709490101848563716/nIvHgKvb_bigger.jpg David Pick ‏@IAmDPick (https://twitter.com/IAmDPick)

RC Buford and Spurs scout, I'm told, attended Red Star vs Mega Leks in ABA finals. LOTS OF NBA PROSPECTS.

[raybies]

Ivica zubac plays for mega leks. Just one player but my suspicion is they are looking for a big.

[SAGirl]

Ivica zubac plays for mega leks. Just one player but my suspicion is they are looking for a big.
Due diligence. I looked him up. Seems an interesting prospect. :tu

[SAGirl]

He's projected to be a "lottery" pick: http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft


I like this guy. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Dejounte-Murray-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-5405/
He's very young and could be feasible for us.
Chinook, can you get a thread for http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dejounte-Murray-7309/
dejounte Murray is 32 in draft express. He's projected as a Jamal Crawford type scorer, maybe bc size and ability to create his own shot, might fit a need or us and seems to be in several different spots in different draft boards.

[Chinook]

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557), can you get a thread for http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dejounte-Murray-7309/
dejounte Murray is 32 in draft express. He's projected as a Jamal Crawford type scorer, maybe bc size and ability to create his own shot, might fit a need or us and seems to be in several different spots in different draft boards.

Done. How's his defense?

[SAGirl]

Done. How's his defense?
He has the tools to be good as he has agility, quickness, size and length, rebounds very well and has quick hands, generating steals to the tune of 1.9 per 40, but he's skinny, can be bullied and he wasn't dedicated. He's more of an offensive player with tools to get better defensively. He's a very young kid though, still 19 so he's the kind of guy you draft to mold into what you want over time.

In the all Pac 12, he averaged 16 points, 6 rebounds and 4.5 assists per game. To me that's impressive, reminds me of Anderson stats in terms of guys that give you a bit of everything. As K-Storm said, his combo of youth and potential could make him get drafted as high as the lottery, but in some mocks he's lower.

This paragraph sums him up:


Murray's size, length, creativity, scoring instincts, aggressive mentality and youth give him a nice framework to build off as a prospect, even if he's likely years away from helping a NBA team. A team looking to swing for the fences in the 20-40 range could very well elect to pick him and hope they can develop him into a better player than you typically expect to find in that part of the draft, thanks to his talent-level. They'll have to be very patient, though.
He's the high upside risky pick. For the spot we are picking at he could be a great get.

[jyra]

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(http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Isaiah-Briscoe-7140/)
Impressive physical tools for a PG: 6'3" with a 6'9" wingspan and 37 inch max vertical. His shooting seems to be really bad though, only 13.5% from 3 and an alarming 46% from the FT line.

[Kawhitstorm]

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Draftexpress profile: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Isaiah-Briscoe-7140/
(http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Isaiah-Briscoe-7140/)
Impressive physical tools for a PG: 6'3" with a 6'9" wingspan and 37 inch max vertical. His shooting seems to be really bad though, only 13.5% from 3 and an alarming 46% from the FT line.

Dude is going to return to KU for his 2nd year.:lol (He's essentially a poorman' GP II)

[exstatic]

Wouldn't shock me if SA dumped the pick.

[xellos88330]

Do the Spurs get the Hornets second round pick?

[Captivus]

http://stats.nba.com/draftcombine/#!/

Some info here...

[ace3g]

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Melo Trimble will work out with the Sixers on May 25. He will also work out with the Pacers, Bucks, Spurs and Hawks.

[ace3g]

Alex Kennedy (https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)Alex (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18999)KennedyNBA
Yesterday, Jaylen Brown said that he met with the Celtics, Bulls, Hawks, Timberwolves, Kings, Spurs and Rockets while at the NBA Combine.

Jeremy Woo ‏@Jeremy_Woo (https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Woo) 13h13 hours ago (https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Woo/status/731115482208686080) Taurean Prince told me he worked out with the Hawks pre-combine and interviewed with ATL, Spurs, Nets, Cavs, Blazers, Wolves, Clips, Lakers.

[Kawhitstorm]

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My guy, Brogdon, went 6/12 and 3/8 in 21 minutes.

[ace3g]

My guy, Brogdon, went 6/12 and 3/8 in 21 minutes.

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[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_t7Cy8ADw

[sasaint]

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Did you post this in the Malcolm Brogdon Draft Prospect thread? BTW, if you are interested in him, you should read the Charlottesville Observer article I have linked there. It is pretty lengthy, but it describes his incredible leadership skills/experience. He really is quintessential Spurs material, especially with the team about to suffer from the loss of the leadership that Tim and Manu have provided for so long.

[TheCerebral1]

I honestly know nothing about the draft class this season. Is PG, C, SG, the areas of need likely seen if we keep the pick. Gary Payton II based on legacy alone seems interesting. I barely watched college ball this year.

[ace3g]

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After two busy days at #NBACombine (https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBACombine?src=hash), @SHowardCooper (https://twitter.com/SHowardCooper) ranks the Top 30 @NBADraft (https://twitter.com/NBADraft) prospects: http://on.nba.com/1Ote0JK (https://t.co/MQA5l57qPV)

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[CGD]

Alex Kennedy (https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)Alex (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18999)KennedyNBA
Yesterday, Jaylen Brown said that he met with the Celtics, Bulls, Hawks, Timberwolves, Kings, Spurs and Rockets while at the NBA Combine.

Jeremy Woo ‏@Jeremy_Woo (https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Woo) 13h13 hours ago (https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Woo/status/731115482208686080) Taurean Prince told me he worked out with the Hawks pre-combine and interviewed with ATL, Spurs, Nets, Cavs, Blazers, Wolves, Clips, Lakers.

This caught my eye. I've seen Jaylen Brown as high as the 5th pick. One board currently has him at the 7th. Spurs along with with Hawks, Nets, Wolves, all with Spurs FO ties, also sniffing around, hmm.

The wolves are projected to be picking in that range. With a glut of young guys already, maybe Thibbs would want some vets to round out their roster.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/718304213537845249/aCErMHMN_bigger.jpg Derek Peterson ‏@DrPetey15 (https://twitter.com/DrPetey15) 3h3 hours ago (https://twitter.com/DrPetey15/status/731515119285362689)
Former OU PG Isaiah Cousins has workouts scheduled with Pacers, Nuggets, Spurs, Rockets & Suns. Indy scheduled 4 Tuesday (per @AdamZagoria (https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria))

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[elemento]

Funny to see my boy Pat McCaw listed as a PG. Not sure if they got it wrong or if he is trying to sell himself as a tall PG, but he is definitely a SG in my book.

Still want him as a the Spurs pick regardless.

[ace3g]

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Josh Hart: Worked out for the Clippers and has workouts scheduled with the Sixers, Hawks, Celtics and Spurs.



https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/728040925885239299/ij2EcQn3_bigger.jpg BballCrazy® ‏@BballCrazy (https://twitter.com/BballCrazy) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BballCrazy/status/731592617146753024) Chicago, IL (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A1d9a5370a355ab0c)
Isaiah Miles: Worked out for the Celtics this week and will do so for the Nets on May 19th. The Mavericks, Spurs, Rockets, Bucks and Knicks

BballCrazy® ‏@BballCrazy (https://twitter.com/BballCrazy) May 13 (https://twitter.com/BballCrazy/status/731165716649365505) Chicago, IL (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A1d9a5370a355ab0c) #Spurs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hash), #Warriors (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Warriors?src=hash), #Nuggets (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nuggets?src=hash) and #Grizzlies (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Grizzlies?src=hash) are the previously unreported teams interviewing Seton Hall shooting guard Isaiah Whitehead


BballCrazy® ‏@BballCrazy (https://twitter.com/BballCrazy) May 12 (https://twitter.com/BballCrazy/status/730935819670708225) Chicago, IL (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A1d9a5370a355ab0c) #Spurs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hash) and #Grizzlies (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Grizzlies?src=hash) were among the nine teams that interviewed Kentucky sophomore point guard Tyler Ulis

[ace3g]

Alex Kennedy (https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA) retweeted
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Jessica Camerato @JCameratoCSN
(https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN) The 2016 NBA draft combine is a wrap. Here are 10 things learned from Chicago. bit.ly/1Nur72d (https://t.co/Ipvs6E0Z5g)

[Vic Petro]

Malachi Richardson


Sources with knowledge of Richardson's schedule said that the Syracuse guard had interviewed with the San Antonio Spurs, the Golden State Warriors, the Memphis Grizzlies, the Denver Nuggets, the New York Knicks, the Brooklyn Nets, the Philadelphia 76ers, the New Orleans Pelicans, the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Portland Trailblazers, the Utah Jazz, the Detroit Pistons and the Boston Celtics.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/index.ssf/2016/05/the_13_nba_teams_that_are_interviewing_syracuses_m alachi_richardson_at_the_combi.html

[MaNu4Tres]

Would love if Spurs can trade down with the Celtics and get the 31st and 35th picks or Bucks and get the 36th and 38th picks.

This draft class has a lot of nice prospects in the 30-40 range.

[Drom John]

I don't remember what I put in the Brice Johnson thread [in the approval queue], but Johnson has been listed in mock drafts with the Spurs recently.

Yahoo: Version II: The Vertical's 2016 NBA mock draft, by Jonathon Givony, 11 May 2016


29. San Antonio
Brice Johnson | PF | North Carolina
Senior | 21 | 6-9, 230
Insider info: With a decent chunk of their frontcourt rotation either entering free agency or on the back end of its career, the Spurs could look to address power forward. Players at this draft slot come with tiny guarantees relative to the exploding salary cap and little risk, so taking a flyer on an ultra-productive college player like Brice Johnson could make a lot of sense. If he pans out, he’ll be producing for four years on a very valuable contract.

[Drom John]

Bleacher Report: NBA Mock Draft 2016: 1st-Round Projections for Top Prospects' Landing Spots
By Alec Nathan , Featured Columnist May 15, 2016

29 San Antonio Spurs Brice Johnson

[ace3g]

NBA Draft: Why teams shouldn't be afraid of Jaylen Brown's intellect
As always, teams will fall in love with certain players and the draft talent will take on added luster as we get closer to June 23rd. One of those players may be Jaylen Brown, a one-and-done prospect from Cal by way of Georgia who brings a pro body and an advanced mind. A highly-touted recruit, Brown's interests at Berkeley included playing chess and taking graduate-level courses. As someone who worked with him said, "He's a guy that's going to use basketball to do great things in life."


Brown having academic interests isn't a bad thing. Consider that the Spurs (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/SA/san-antonio-spurs) have an environment built on multiculturalism and a diversity of interests. Popovich talks to his players about world affairs and takes them to various restaurants to expand their horizons. The NBA isn't like college where there's a need to develop players as people, but it also means there's certainly a place for people with diverse interests. Shane Battier's an incredibly smart guy who had a long career in the NBA. There have been intelligent, well-rounded players with perspective who never made it in the league.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-why-teams-shouldnt-be-afraid-of-prospect-jaylen-browns-intellect/



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[DPG21920]

I wonder how hard SA will look at Tyler Ulis. Seems to have all the intangibles SA looks for and might be within striking distance of their draft spot.

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[ace3g]

BballCrazy® ‏@BballCrazy (https://twitter.com/BballCrazy) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/BballCrazy/status/732358437573558273) Chicago, IL (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A1d9a5370a355ab0c) Jakob Poeltl said during the combine that he has met with the Bucks, Magic, Hawks, and Spurs,

BballCrazy® ‏@BballCrazy (https://twitter.com/BballCrazy) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/BballCrazy/status/732358310041509889) Chicago, IL (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A1d9a5370a355ab0c) Oklahoma guard Isaiah Cousins has his first workout tomorrow with Indiana,Nuggets, Spurs, Rockets, and Suns


Jessica Camerato Verified account ‏@JCameratoCSN (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN) 7h7 hours ago (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN/status/732282349715619840) Villanova G Josh Hart has worked out with Clippers, Sixers. Will work out for Celtics, Spurs, Hawks. To make decision May 25, still 50-50.




Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) 9h9 hours ago (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/732251141875093506) Manhattan, NY (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A01a9a39529b27f36) Draft Combine Fallout: Murkiness of 1st-round, lies + mistrust between teams, agents. @DraftExpress (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress) on @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical).




https://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-lessons-of-the-nba-draft-combine-155949876.html

[ace3g]

Darnay Tripp ‏@DarnayTripp (https://twitter.com/DarnayTripp) 7m7 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/DarnayTripp/status/732426142712537088) Spoke to @kwiltj (https://twitter.com/kwiltj): Has 10 workouts lined up including Nets, Bos, 76es, Mavs, Hou, Spurs, and Lakers. Hear from him on @krem2 (https://twitter.com/KREM2) at 10/11.

[sasaint]

I wonder how hard SA will look at Tyler Ulis. Seems to have all the intangibles SA looks for and might be within striking distance of their draft spot.

Why do you want us to go for a SG that makes Mills look big?

[Chinook]

Why do you want us to go for a SG that makes Mills look big?

Wouldn't call Ulis a shooting-guard. The dude averaged 7 assists a game.

[Captivus]

2016 NBA Draft Combine: Athleticism Test Analysis


By Aran_Smith
Sun, 05/15/2016 - 1:29am
Last year Pat Connaughton (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/pat-connaughton) recorded a 44 inch vertical at the combine which drew headlines and likely helped him get drafted (41st overall). The only problem was that his vertical was enhanced by four inches as his standing reach (8' 0 (http://www.nbadraft.net/2015-nba-draft-combine-measurements)) was recorded incorrectly, four inches below what it had been recorded at the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament.

This year there apparently were a bunch of Pat Connaughtons.

2016 NBA Draft Combine: Athleticism Test Results (http://www.nbadraft.net/2016-nba-draft-combine-athleticism-test-results)

Each year at the Draft Combine, the NBA records player's heights with and without shoes, their wingspan and their standing reach, among other measurements. They then take the BAM testing results of the player's one step and max jumps on the Vertec machine. The Vertec results (for one step and max verticals) are then subtracted by the standing reach to give a player's actual vertical numbers.

This year it appears that a number of player's standing reaches were logged incorrectly. Our Michael Visenberg noted that the standing reaches of a number of players do not match those of previous events. For instance, Stephen Zimmerman (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/stephen-zimmerman)measured 9' 0.5" at the USA minicamp (8' 8.5 at the combine). Demetrius Jackson (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/demetrius-jackson) measured an 8' foot standing reach at the Hoop Summit (7' 9 at the combine), Thon Maker (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/thon-maker) meaured a 9' 3.5 standing reach at the Hoop Summit (9' 2.5 at the combine).
Both Kahlil Felder (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/kahlil-felder) and Tyler Ulis (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyler-ulis) had impossibly low standing reaches at 7' 4.5 and then ridiculous 44 inch and 38 inch verticals. Ulis is a solid athlete but he doesn't jump out of the gym. His 38 inch vertical is obviously boosted. And as great an athlete as Felder is, 44" inches is Ronnie Fields' territory.

Melo Trimble (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/melo-trimble)'s 35.5 inch vertical is also highly questionable.

Dorian Finney Smith (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/dorian-finney-smith)'s 8' 3.5" standing reach doesn't compute for a player with a 6' 7.75" height and 6' 11.75" wingspan. His standing reach is likely 4 or so inches short. And his vertical numbers appear to bear that out with a near record 38.5 one step vert and a 40.5 in max vert.

Jake Layman (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jake-layman) measured 8' 9" standing reach in the summer and 8' 6" at the combine. He had a 37 inch vert in the summer and a 39.5 inch vert at the combine.

Kyle Wiltjer (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/kyle-wiltjer) recording a 35.5 inch vertical had to set off just a few alarms that something was amiss. His 7' 0.25" wingspan on a 6' 8.75" frame does not equate to a 8' 6.5" standing reach.

Therefore it is tough to take much of the vertical testing numbers as concrete this year. Teams may want to ask BAM for the numbers that players hit on the Vertec machine and then measure standing reaches in individual workouts on guys that they're interested in and do the math themselves to get a more precise vertical. Or do the entire testing process themselves.

Players such as Buddy Hield (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/buddy-hield), Kris Dunn (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/kris-dunn), and Jaylen Brown (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jaylen-brown) missed out on all the fun. Didn't their agents know that this year's athleticism testing was rigged?

No one is perfect, but it appears this year the combine athleticism testing numbers (vertical numbers specifically) were affected by some sort of clerical errors in the logging of standing reaches. Regardless, here's a breakdown of who helped and hurt themselves from the information put out.

Winners
Joel Bolomboy (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/joel-bolomboy) Weber State

Bolomboy wins the award for most athletic player after the combine testing. Bolomboy's lane agility time was the fastest of any player in this year's combine at 10.26. Read that again! Incredible that his time was better than all of the guards that participated. His shuttle and 3/4 sprint were also on par with the guards. His explosiveness is also very impressive. Regardless if you take a few inches off his 40.5 vertical, that is extremely explosive for a bigman. Bolomboy had numerous jaw dropping highlights this year, and his athleticism testing re-enforced that he is an elite level athlete.

Thon Maker (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/thon-maker), Australia

http://www.nbadraft.net/files/images/tmaker01_3.jpgThon MakerWhile Maker may not actually be the combine's "most athletic" above 6'11 player of all time, as his numbers likely were enhanced. He definitely had very impressive speed and athleticism results. Scouts would love to have seen him participate in the combine games the wayCheick Diallo (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/cheick-diallo) did. Thon obviously runs fast and jumps high, but he has a very difficult time exploding with contact. He has added some solid upper body strength over the past two years and it shows in his arms and shoulders, but his legs have not shown much improvement and may never be able to carry additional weight.

Cheick Diallo (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/cheick-diallo) Kansas

Diallo was one of the big winners of the combine, quite possibly the biggest. First he measured with the 2nd best overall wingspan at 7' 4". And also had very strong standing reach and weight numbers. And then he proved that he was one of the best athletes in the games, running the court very well and making plays on both ends of the floor. His athleticism test numbers also checked out well as his 11.24 lane agility number was solid, as was his 31 inch (one step) and 35 inch (max) vertical results.

Demetrius Jackson (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/demetrius-jackson) Notre Dame

Regardless of whether you like Jackson's playmaking ability or leadership, there's no denying one thing and that is that Jackson is an elite level leaper. While it's more difficult for small point guards to utilize this attribute, his ability to get off the floor and make plays above the rim in not in question. His 43.5 inch vert was probably enhanced by 3 inches as mentioned before, but regardless, a 40+ inch vertical is among rare company. His speed and agility numbers also were among the top handful of players.

Jaron Blossomgame (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jaron-blossomgame) Clemson

His 41 inch max vert was one of the real standout numbers. Even subtracting 3-4 inches he's still in good territory. His speed numbers weren't quite as strong but nonetheless he separated himself as one of the top non-guard athletes.

Dorian Finney Smith (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/dorian-finney-smith) Florida

Regardless of the fact that his 38.5 and 41.5 verticals are likely enhanced. His overall leaping ability is obviously very strong. Combine that with a 6'11.5 wingspan and an improved shooting ability and you have a potential sleeper in the 2nd round.

Wade Baldwin (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/wade-baldwin) Vanderbilt

After being a winner in the measurements, Baldwin also scored well in the athleticism testing. His lane drill score of 10.45 stood out and was the fastest of anyone not named Joel Bolomboy. He also posted a very solid 38 inch vert. This after posting 2-guard length. Baldwin certainly has the physical characteristic boxes checked.

Losers
Dedric Lawson (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/dedric-lawson) Memphis

Lawson scored extremely low in the agility and speed testing. His 12.48 lane agility was among the worst recorded. His three quarter court sprint and shuttle run were also among the absolute slowest of the combine. Let's hope his vertical numbers of 22.5 (one step) and 28.0 (max) were not enhanced. It's safe to say Lawson did not have a good showing in the athleticism testing and would have been best advised to skip it.

Robert Carter (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/robert-carter) Maryland

Carter's 24.5 (one step) and 30.5 (max) verts are among the lowest of the combine. His 3.65 was also the absolute slowest of everyone in the three quarter court sprint. Luckily for Carter he performed well in front of scouts during the first day game.

Diamond Stone (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/diamond-stone) Maryland

Credit Stone for at least participating as his ATH numbers were likely better than fellow freshman standout and similarly sized big Henry Ellenson would have been. Stone did not crack 30 inches in the max vert going for 27 (one step) and 29.5 (max). His lane agility wasn't too bad at 12.02, but his 3/4 court sprint was among the bottom five or so players at 3.50.

Caleb Swanigan (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/caleb-swanigan) Purdue

Swanigan is clearly a below the rim athlete and his numbers bore that out with a 27.0 (one step) and 29.0 (max) vertical result. He may even been given some help on those (as his 7'3 wingspan might have produced a higher than 8' 11" standing reach). He had a 12.90 in the lane agility which was better than expected and not surprisingly elected to not participate in the sprint and shuttle run.

Notes

Just like last year, a number of the lottery hopefuls did not participate in the athleticism testing. Among the currently projected lottery guys, only Marquese Chriss (http://www.nbadraft.net/players/marquese-chriss) participated in the athleticism testing.

[DPG21920]

Why do you want us to go for a SG that makes Mills look big?

I don't want SA to go after him. I wondered out loud due to need, draft spot & things I've read if SA will give him serious consideration.

[sasaint]

Wouldn't call Ulis a shooting-guard. The dude averaged 7 assists a game.

We already have a small backcourt. Why add an even smaller guy at either guard position?

[sasaint]

I don't want SA to go after him. I wondered out loud due to need, draft spot & things I've read if SA will give him serious consideration.

I hope not. Seems to me one guy who helped himself a lot at the combine was my guy Malcolm Brogdon- great length and a leader for the future. I hope the Spurs go for him. We would still need a real PG, although I see Brogdon as kind of a combo.

[Chinook]

We already have a small backcourt. Why add an even smaller guy at either guard position?

Because he's BPA and a good defender. He's not too small to guard Curry or Lillard.

[sasaint]

Because he's BPA and a good defender. He's not too small to guard Curry or Lillard.

5'10" in SHOES! 6'2" wingspan. I think Curry and Lillard (and others) would eat him alive.

[BackHome]

Umm we have to get through OK first.......:( Westbrook would eat him up and chew him up and spit him out in smaller pieces.

[ace3g]

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Alex Kennedy AlexKennedyNBA
(https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA) In other words, call Danny Ainge if you're an executive who wants to acquire a pick in this draft! twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA… (https://t.co/fT4jZjnO9N)

Alex Kennedy AlexKennedyNBA
(https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA) The Boston Celtics have eight picks - #3, #16, #23 #31, #35, #45, #51 and #58 - in the 2016 NBA Draft.

[SAGirl]

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Alex Kennedy (https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)Alex (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18999)KennedyNBA
In other words, call Danny Ainge if you're an executive who wants to acquire a pick in this draft! twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA… (https://t.co/fT4jZjnO9N)

Alex Kennedy (https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)Alex (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18999)KennedyNBA
The Boston Celtics have eight picks - #3, #16, #23 #31, #35, #45, #51 and #58 - in the 2016 NBA Draft.




Too many. They don't even have roster spots for all those guys although all second rounders could be stashed. Still they wouldn't get value for the picks if stashed.

[Kawhitstorm]

Wouldn't call Ulis a shooting-guard. The dude averaged 7 assists a game.

Ulis is TJ Ford 2.0

[Chinook]

Ulis is TJ Ford 2.0

Nothing wrong with that.

[sasaint]

Too many. They don't even have roster spots for all those guys although all second rounders could be stashed. Still they wouldn't get value for the picks if stashed.

I have been curious about Boston's strategy for the last year. The only way the Celts can get value for all of those picks is to bundle them either with or without current players and make a couple of monster trades.

[ace3g]

How a top prospect is bucking the systemCalifornia freshman Jaylen Brown (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/131293/) – No. 4 in The Vertical’s 2016 NBA mock draft – will pass on hiring an agent and consult with the National Basketball Players Association on his rookie contract, league sources told The Vertical.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-a-top-prospect-is-bucking-the-system-181542611.html

[SAGirl]

I have been curious about Boston's strategy for the last year. The only way the Celts can get value for all of those picks is to bundle them either with or without current players and make a couple of monster trades.
If only we had assets to trade... we don't have anyone we could spare. Our best guys we want to keep, Danny and Patty are on very good contracts and they give good production f I r their contracts + they are not stars Boston would be after. Diaw is a guy who only a team that wants cap will want to trade for and Tony, /sigh I know where you stand on him. It's possible Boston will have to practically give some picks away if they don't land a big fish. It's likely they land someone though is my guess. Still yep, they are interesting to speculate about.

[SAGirl]

How a top prospect is bucking the system

California freshman Jaylen Brown (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/131293/) – No. 4 in The Vertical’s 2016 NBA mock draft – will pass on hiring an agent and consult with the National Basketball Players Association on his rookie contract, league sources told The Vertical.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-a-top-prospect-is-bucking-the-system-181542611.html
Hah interesting! Since rookie contracts are pretty much predetermined he's hoping to save himself the agent fee.

[sasaint]

If only we had assets to trade... we don't have anyone we could spare. Our best guys we want to keep, Danny and Patty are on very good contracts and they give good production f I r their contracts + they are not stars Boston would be after. Diaw is a guy who only a team that wants cap will want to trade for and Tony, /sigh I know where you stand on him. It's possible Boston will have to practically give some picks away if they don't land a big fish. It's likely they land someone though is my guess. Still yep, they are interesting to speculate about.

I just made a post in another thread to the effect that I am beginning to suspect that it is PATFO's plan to stand pat this off-season (essentially writing off next season) and make big moves in 2017 under an even bigger cap. The best we can do in free agency this season is really just a band-aid. But if PATFO waits until next off-season to say good-bye to Tim, Manu and Boris, then Tony's expiring contract will have more value at that time than he has this off-season. In all likelihood we will retain Tony this season. It remains to be seen whether PATFO brings in another PG with the first unit and moves Tony to the sixth man role or they truly stand pat.

[SAGirl]

I just made a post in another thread to the effect that I am beginning to suspect that it is PATFO's plan to stand pat this off-season (essentially writing off next season) and make big moves in 2017 under an even bigger cap. The best we can do in free agency this season is really just a band-aid. But if PATFO waits until next off-season to say good-bye to Tim, Manu and Boris, then Tony's expiring contract will have more value at that time than he has this off-season. In all likelihood we will retain Tony this season. It remains to be seen whether PATFO brings in another PG with the first unit and moves Tony to the sixth man role or they truly stand pat.
Makes sense. I really had a sense for both Tim and Manu that this was it like you, but you are right that the way they structured the contracts indicates some foresight that they had planned ahead of time to make the moves in 2017 instead.

The way this season turned out they realistically must know we are not frontrunners for a championship. The team is almost entirely to its full potential with no way to get better unless our couple of youngsters improve. We can actually expect the oldest guys to get worse (I hope not Kobe levels) and maybe improvement from younger guys won't be enough to overcome that decline. If you think about it, Kawhi reaching superstar levels this season, and the addition of LMA weren't enough to offset the huge decline from the big 3.

If we could only change a single guy I would get a young big although our backcourt is in a poor state. The reason is that Tim's decline probably will require rest. If we don't bring in a big it will require us to play lot of small ball with KA every time Timmy needs to rest. That's not ideal. Besides I think D west and Diaw cannot play next to each other. And the Spurs have to decide whether to resign Boban anyways, so the bigs is probably the one area they need to look at. LJC may work as the 5th big (unsure what Bertans is, he might be more of a tall 3)

For backcourt depth I suspect they give Simmons his second season. They were still high enough on him not to waive him like they did with Ray and he had a few good games where he gave flashes, but they should draft your guy Brogdon or someone else, BPA to compete with him just in case he's reached his ceiling and comes back the same. An international veteran like Nando is another avenue (doesn't have to be Nando, just his name came to mind when thinking about international guards available Pop could grab to strengthen the backcourt in a moderate contract.

[sasaint]

SAGirl I kind of like the idea of bringing back Nando. As for bigs, if we were to stand pat, I would expect us to possibly sign Hibbert (Pau?) for cheap (mainly because LMA doesn't play center :rolleyes). Hopefully, we have learned never to team West/Diaw, and we play Tim roughly 12-15 mins per night about 60 games total.

Basically, I am suggesting that PATFO's strategy this off-season is tantamount to a "mini-tank" in order to be in better position to make a pretty major roster overhaul next season. Plus, if we do scrape into a lower seed in the play-offs, we improve our historic draft position by 8-10 slots.

[SAGirl]

SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524) I kind of like the idea of bringing back Nando. As for bigs, if we were to stand pat, I would expect us to possibly sign Hibbert (Pau?) for cheap (mainly because LMA doesn't play center :rolleyes). Hopefully, we have learned never to team West/Diaw, and we play Tim roughly 12-15 mins per night about 60 games total.

Basically, I am suggesting that PATFO's strategy this off-season is tantamount to a "mini-tank" in order to be in better position to make a pretty major roster overhaul next season. Plus, if we do scrape into a lower seed in the play-offs, we improve our historic draft position by 8-10 slots.
:tu I am not sure who is realistic to get for a big but it should be someone they want for more than one season. That's where maybe the Diaw contract can be traded to somebody and net us that guy (or a guard). Then we use cap for a younger big. I know some are loathe to give up on Diaw. He's very skilled and was great for us 2013-14. When motivated he can swing games. But I am sure PATFO are looking.

I think it's not so much LMA not wanting to play C. I think he's done it when we need it, it will just really wear him out to do it full season most of the season. He needs someone to give him a breather. When TD was resting D west gave a hand but I would rather have someone else, situational. I think they want to keep Boban. Like you I am unsure on him. Would you rather have Boban or Dwest? Can't believe I am saying this, but I will I'd go with the youngest guy who has upside bc we need some upside in our team. Boban can be good in the bench. Hello get no shortage of shots with Anderson, who likes to dish, Manu, Simmons, even Nando liked the PnR... Boban is a presence inside. But we shall see. What do you think about him since you have followed the Spurs longer, Pop played him a lot for a rookie even in the playoffs some, that uncommon right?

[sasaint]

:tu I am not sure who is realistic to get for a big but it should be someone they want for more than one season. That's where maybe the Diaw contract can be traded to somebody and net us that guy (or a guard). Then we use cap for a younger big. I know some are loathe to give up on Diaw. He's very skilled and was great for us 2013-14. When motivated he can swing games. But I am sure PATFO are looking.

I think it's not so much LMA not wanting to play C. I think he's done it when we need it, it will just really wear him out to do it full season most of the season. He needs someone to give him a breather. When TD was resting D west gave a hand but I would rather have someone else, situational. I think they want to keep Boban. Like you I am unsure on him. Would you rather have Boban or Dwest? Can't believe I am saying this, but I will I'd go with the youngest guy who has upside bc we need some upside in our team. Boban can be good in the bench. Hello get no shortage of shots with Anderson, who likes to dish, Manu, Simmons, even Nando liked the PnR... Boban is a presence inside. But we shall see. What do you think about him since you have followed the Spurs longer, Pop played him a lot for a rookie even in the playoffs some, that uncommon right?

If we are hoping for a big off-season in 2017, then I would not be surprised to see us keep both Boban and West. But if Tim and Diaw return, we will see a completely different rotation - one such as ceperez and I advocated last fall - bringing Tim off the bench. LMA mostly at the 5, paired with West, with Boris as the backup 4 and Duncan and Boban sharing the backup 5. I hesitate to say anything about Pop's use of f Boban in the play-offs. He is such a unique player in every way that it really seems fruitless to compare Pop's use of him. Yeah, Pop gave him a few pretty empty minutes against the Grizz, but then reverted to form against OKC until he became desperate. One question that hasn't been explored here on ST is Boris' benching. Did it have anything to do with his flexor injury? Another interesting question is what about Bonner's spot on the team. A last interesting question is: will Pop finally decide on a regular position/rotation for Kyle and start to develop him in that role?

[lmbebo]

Don't think Nando wants to come back to Spurs or US. He seemed ready to leave the NBA for good.

Not sure who is out there in terms of an international guard?

[ace3g]

Jabari Young Verified account ‏@JabariJYoung (https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/733799447000317952) Weber State forward Joel Bolomboy expected to workout for #Spurs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hash)

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Jessica Camerato Verified account ‏@JCameratoCSN (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN) 9h9 hours ago (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN/status/733704290884149248) Jaron Blossomgame (@JaronBgame (https://twitter.com/JaronBgame)) to work out with Spurs 5/22, Suns 5/24. Has worked out with Sixers (today), Jazz, Celtics, Cavs, Clippers.


Jessica Camerato Verified account ‏@JCameratoCSN (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN) 9h9 hours ago (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN/status/733704962018959360) Isaiah Miles has worked out with Sixers (today), Celtics, Nets. To work out with Rockets, Mavericks, Knicks, Bucks, Jazz, Spurs.

[Solid D]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1230078621/254099576_bigger.jpg Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress)

Thomas Walkup is an incredibly unique, versatile player. Great for him to get this platform to showcase his skills. Feel is off the charts.


Bobby Marks Verified account ‏@BobbyMarks42 (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42) Bobby Marks Retweeted Jonathan Givony
The one thing (among many) that stand out is the high release on his shot.

Thomas Walkup was one of my favorite players in the NCAA tournament this year. Wow, what a competitor. He had some Manu-like effort - fairly relentless. He's not the best three-point shooter but he has decent form. He has a lion heart and is worthy of a look from the Spurs.

[ace3g]

Ryan Miller ‏@CoachRyanMiller (https://twitter.com/CoachRyanMiller) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/CoachRyanMiller/status/734072976396537856) Good luck to @22gang_ (https://twitter.com/22gang_) as he worked out with the @spurs (https://twitter.com/spurs) today. Is there a better 2-way player in the draft? https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f512.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f512.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f512.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci_zeqrUgAAHws7.jpg

[Spurs9]

I wonder when Kostas Antetokounmpo is going to enter the draft, maybe next year?

[BackHome]

Draft Net has us taking a French International player:

Guerschon Yabusele - PF - Ht.6'8 Wt. 240pds , 20yrs old
He kinda reminds me of a more athletic Blair..........He is a big big boy and he has good feet not slow at all and good body control. Would like to get some feedback from anyone who has seen him play. To me he is a PF that could play SF and could get away with playing Center when playing small ball.

I still would like us to somehow get a second rounder and draft SG Isaia Cordinier another French kid.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I wonder when Kostas Antetokounmpo is going to enter the draft, maybe next year?

He's very likely a lottery pick.

[ace3g]

Jessica Starbard ‏@JessicaStarbard (https://twitter.com/JessicaStarbard) 6h6 hours ago (https://twitter.com/JessicaStarbard/status/734798434578931712) Swanigan says he's also worked out with Suns, Spurs, Timberwolves, Pelicans and Rockets

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) Sources on @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/): Seton Hall sophomore Isaiah Whitehead will stay in NBA Draft. Formal announcement Wednesday. Potential 1st-rounder.

[lmbebo]

Apparently 9th and 12th picks are potentially up for grab

[Chinook]

Looks like DX came out with their first mock that includes needs. It has the Spurs passing up on Beasley to draft Zhou Qi. I'd flip out if they did that -- especially if they stash him.

[palangi]

Looks like DX came out with their first mock that includes needs. It has the Spurs passing up on Beasley to draft Zhou Qi. I'd flip out if they did that -- especially if they stash him.
ughhh!!! what a terrible pick. I am with you. I want a guard. either a PG or SG. we need an infusion of talent there. we have some younger big kids to develop but nothing at guard.

[Mal]

5. Virginia Cavaliers
If you're looking for draft-related intrigue, look elsewhere. (Other than the off-chance Malcolm Brogdon might sneak into the first round and fulfill his destiny as the San Antonio Spurs' latest personnel miracle, of course. Make it happen, R.C.!) Virginia's next roster has been more or less set since their 2015-16 season ended in March's Elite Eight heartbreak. As we wrote in April, Cavaliers coach Tony Bennett will not only rely on his customary corps of ever-improving veterans. The architect of three straight top-two seeds will also, for the first time, mix in a top-10 recruiting class exclusively stocked with top-100 talents -- plus elite Memphis transfer Austin Nichols. That sound you just heard was the rest of the ACC shuddering.


From NCAA early ranking on espn.com. I dont know where is that coming from.

[Snaq O'Meal]

5. Virginia Cavaliers
If you're looking for draft-related intrigue, look elsewhere. (Other than the off-chance Malcolm Brogdon might sneak into the first round and fulfill his destiny as the San Antonio Spurs' latest personnel miracle, of course. Make it happen, R.C.!) Virginia's next roster has been more or less set since their 2015-16 season ended in March's Elite Eight heartbreak. As we wrote in April, Cavaliers coach Tony Bennett will not only rely on his customary corps of ever-improving veterans. The architect of three straight top-two seeds will also, for the first time, mix in a top-10 recruiting class exclusively stocked with top-100 talents -- plus elite Memphis transfer Austin Nichols. That sound you just heard was the rest of the ACC shuddering.


From NCAA early ranking on espn.com. I dont know where is that coming from.

That guy has good character, long arms and big hands, won the best defensive player award twice, routinely takes on the toughest defensive assignments from positions 1 to 4, has improved his 3pt shot, and led a top-ranked team in offence. Perhaps he has some similarities to certain Spurs players?

Also helps that Brogdon has admitted to being a Spurs fan.

[ace3g]

Jessica Camerato ‏@JCameratoCSN (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN) 24h24 hours ago (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN/status/737424648585895936) LSU PG Tim Quarterman to work out for the Bulls and Hornets next. Has worked out with the Sixers, Lakers, Spurs, Bucks, Nets, Rockets, Mavs.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_ggyIFX_U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL6NGlldRgc

[ace3g]

Jessica Camerato ‏@JCameratoCSN (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN) 24h24 hours ago (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN/status/737425652882640897) Boise St. C James Webb III worked out w PHI Monday. He estimated he has 10-11 workouts left, incl. BKN next, MIN, GSW, SAS, HOU, LAL, WAS.

Jessica Camerato ‏@JCameratoCSN (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN) 24h24 hours ago (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN/status/737426532730175488) Texas PG Isaiah Taylor to work out for the Hawks, Celtics, Nets, Kings, Rockets, Spurs, Mavs. Worked out with Sixers Monday.


Jessica Camerato ‏@JCameratoCSN (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN) May 20 (https://twitter.com/JCameratoCSN/status/733704290884149248) Jaron Blossomgame (@JaronBgame (https://twitter.com/JaronBgame)) to work out with Spurs 5/22, Suns 5/24. Has worked out with Sixers (today), Jazz, Celtics, Cavs, Clippers.

[CGD]

Other than Jaylen Brown have the Spurs worked out any other lottery level talent?

[pad300]

Looks like DX came out with their first mock that includes needs. It has the Spurs passing up on Beasley to draft Zhou Qi. I'd flip out if they did that -- especially if they stash him.

I wouldn't. Qi is a gamble, but you can't teach the length he has (Gobert size), you can't teach the mobility he has, and finally, he has basketball skills (ball handling, shooting, shot blocking). He needs to add strength, but that is possible - you just need to be willing to work in the weight room and eat right.

A 25% chance of busting completely, a 70% chance of becoming a Bonner or a Ryan Anderson, a 5% chance of becoming Chinese Dirk... That's a decent gamble for 29th.

[Mal]

That guy has good character, long arms and big hands, won the best defensive player award twice, routinely takes on the toughest defensive assignments from positions 1 to 4, has improved his 3pt shot, and led a top-ranked team in offence. Perhaps he has some similarities to certain Spurs players?

Also helps that Brogdon has admitted to being a Spurs fan.

I know that guy pretty well. Didn`t know about being Spurs fan. Thanks for info.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/660220970540535808/zqIk6-w-_bigger.jpg Jayhawks In The NBA ‏@NBA_Jayhawks (https://twitter.com/NBA_Jayhawks)

Perry Ellis has a workout with the San Antonio Spurs tomorrow.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I know that guy pretty well. Didn`t know about being Spurs fan. Thanks for info.

This was actually posted in a separate thread:

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[Chinook]

A 25% chance of busting completely, a 70% chance of becoming a Bonner or a Ryan Anderson, a 5% chance of becoming Chinese Dirk... That's a decent gamble for 29th.

That's completely unrealistic. Just by being a draft pick, he has like a 25-percent chance of busting. Being a late first-rounder pushes him up to near 50 percent -- and that's before talking about his body. The idea that everyone can gain good weight and that everyone's bodies can hold more weight without placing strain on the bodies is just not true. Zhou Qi may be able to gain weight and become a legit NBA player. But it could also end up just being a beanpole or be injury-prone due to his heavier body, like Harlem says about Gobert.

As far as this notion that he's likely to at least be Bonner or Anderson, I think it's time to recalibrate your view of NBA players. This is 2016, not 2006. Stretch-bigs aren't rare anymore. There are multiple ones in this draft, and there were quite a lot of them last draft (even undrafted). Look at Cady for an example. And before you say something like, "Well, Cady isn't the shooter Qi is," note that Zhou has taken 25 threes in two years (only 15 last year). He's not someone who's a proven shooter like Bertans is.

Noting that all the usual qualifications apply about this being my opinion and whatnot, there's no way that anyone can look at Zhou as anything other than a project. His success chance is much closer to 25 percent, and even then he's more likely to have a Mahinmi-like career (finally becoming starting quality after more than a decade of development). It would be SOOOO gross to pass up on better prospects and more-needed positions to take this kid.

[Captivus]

The idea that everyone can gain good weight and that everyone's bodies can hold more weight without placing strain on the bodies is just not true.



+1

That and...he can gain muscle in the NBA...

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq-ajHhjnPg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsmA-bJ4p8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0PZi3EwJXo

[TheGreatYacht]

Taurean Prince?

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/709103119922302976/RwIC4bn6_bigger.jpg Alex Kennedy Verified account ‏@AlexKennedyNBA (https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)

Check out this interview and workout clips of @TimQuarterman1 (https://twitter.com/TimQuarterman1) from his Elite Skills Training Pro Day:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/video-tim-quarterman-elite-skills-training/


(http://www.basketballinsiders.com/video-tim-quarterman-elite-skills-training/)






https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/709103119922302976/RwIC4bn6_bigger.jpg Alex Kennedy Verified account ‏@AlexKennedyNBA (https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)

Check out this interview and workout clips of @taureanprince (https://twitter.com/taureanprince) from his Elite Skills Training Pro Day:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/video-taurean-prince-elite-skills-training/
(http://www.basketballinsiders.com/video-tim-quarterman-elite-skills-training/)

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/709490101848563716/nIvHgKvb_bigger.jpg David Pick ‏@IAmDPick (https://twitter.com/IAmDPick)

Source: Twolves like Dragan Bender with No. 5 pick. Scouts Calvin Booth and Zarko Durisic seen him here in workouts.

[Captivus]

Just a thought...I was just looking at some mock drafts, and im a little surprised that Nbadraft and Bleacherreport have the Bucks taking a PG, Wade Baldwin and Dejounte Murray.
Meanwhile, DX has them taking Henry Ellenson.

Bleacher says
With Baldwin, Giannis Antetokounmpo and John Henson, the Bucks could have extreme length at three positions. Even if they run the Greek Freak at point guard for stretches during the year, there's still room for an additional ball-handler. Michael Carter-Williams isn't safe in Milwaukee moving forward.

I dont know...you think they will get a PG, having seen what Giannis can do...would you get a PG? MCW isnt that bad!? I agree more with DX, getting a big guy. Can you get a PG better than MCW with the 10th pick?

[TheGoldStandard]

Just a thought...I was just looking at some mock drafts, and im a little surprised that Nbadraft and Bleacherreport have the Bucks taking a PG, Wade Baldwin and Dejounte Murray.
Meanwhile, DX has them taking Henry Ellenson.

Bleacher says
With Baldwin, Giannis Antetokounmpo and John Henson, the Bucks could have extreme length at three positions. Even if they run the Greek Freak at point guard for stretches during the year, there's still room for an additional ball-handler. Michael Carter-Williams isn't safe in Milwaukee moving forward.

I dont know...you think they will get a PG, having seen what Giannis can do...would you get a PG? MCW isnt that bad!? I agree more with DX, getting a big guy. Can you get a PG better than MCW with the 10th pick?



MCW is a mystery. He has all the tools to be a really solid player but for some reason Kidd and Milwaukee do not want to commit to him or do not want to go leave the keys in his hands.

[Captivus]

MCW is a mystery. He has all the tools to be a really solid player but for some reason Kidd and Milwaukee do not want to commit to him or do not want to go leave the keys in his hands.

Yeah...I see that, but still..

I dont want to say something unrealistic, but with Giannis as PG and MCW as a backup, that is the one position I wouldnt be even looking in draft, no matter how much they dont ike MCW.
Like I said, I just dont get it.

Unless, they dont want Giannis to play PG anymore, which is another decision I wouldnt understand.

I would go for SF that can score, there doesnt seem to be many in draft, so I kinda understand DX going for a PF.

http://image.prntscr.com/image/1fff0d675e9a4ff9ba699c030f893442.png

[objective]

What makes MCW any good? Measurables on the physical tools only get you so far.

He's played a ton of minutes and is still one of the worst shooters in the NBA. Milwaukee went out and got him because that's who Kidd wanted and he failed his way into the doghouse.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah...I see that, but still..

I dont want to say something unrealistic, but with Giannis as PG and MCW as a backup, that is the one position I wouldnt be even looking in draft, no matter how much they dont ike MCW.
Like I said, I just dont get it.

Unless, they dont want Giannis to play PG anymore, which is another decision I wouldnt understand.



MCW is a bad fit b/c they need SHOOTERS but he can't shoot. A guy like Livingston probably wouldn't be a good fit for the Bucks, they should have NEVER traded Knight.

[Captivus]

What makes MCW any good? Measurables on the physical tools only get you so far.

He's played a ton of minutes and is still one of the worst shooters in the NBA. Milwaukee went out and got him because that's who Kidd wanted and he failed his way into the doghouse.


MCW is a bad fit b/c they need SHOOTERS but he can't shoot. A guy like Livingston probably wouldn't be a good fit for the Bucks, they should have NEVER traded Knight.

Agree, but, is he not enough to be the backup PG? Thats my point.

Offcourse if they want to play Giannis as forward, then ok, I dont think thats a great idea, but at least its a reason to pick a PG in the draft.
In a few days we will know what direction they are taking. Depending on who they pick, and if they try to move MCW.

[mo7888]

Just a thought...I was just looking at some mock drafts, and im a little surprised that Nbadraft and Bleacherreport have the Bucks taking a PG, Wade Baldwin and Dejounte Murray.
Meanwhile, DX has them taking Henry Ellenson.

Bleacher says
With Baldwin, Giannis Antetokounmpo and John Henson, the Bucks could have extreme length at three positions. Even if they run the Greek Freak at point guard for stretches during the year, there's still room for an additional ball-handler. Michael Carter-Williams isn't safe in Milwaukee moving forward.

I dont know...you think they will get a PG, having seen what Giannis can do...would you get a PG? MCW isnt that bad!? I agree more with DX, getting a big guy. Can you get a PG better than MCW with the 10th pick?



I'm not sure if they find him in the draft or through the trade market but, Mil needs a PG who can defend and knock down the 3 via catch and shoot situations. Giannis is the main facilitator and finisher there and they need shooters. MCW is in a terrible situation because his skill set doesn't fit in Mil. He needs to be moved somewhere else where he fits better. A team with players who can spread the floor while he handles the ball will make him a much improved player.

[Kawhitstorm]

Agree, but, is he not enough to be the backup PG? Thats my point.

Offcourse if they want to play Giannis as forward, then ok, I dont think thats a great idea, but at least its a reason to pick a PG in the draft.
In a few days we will know what direction they are taking. Depending on who they pick, and if they try to move MCW.

MCW is up for an extension, I don't think they will be paying him to play backup on a mediocre team as if he's Iggy.:lol

[Seventyniner]

I wouldn't. Qi is a gamble, but you can't teach the length he has (Gobert size), you can't teach the mobility he has, and finally, he has basketball skills (ball handling, shooting, shot blocking). He needs to add strength, but that is possible - you just need to be willing to work in the weight room and eat right.

A 25% chance of busting completely, a 70% chance of becoming a Bonner or a Ryan Anderson, a 5% chance of becoming Chinese Dirk... That's a decent gamble for 29th.

Yeah, but can he score against a chair?

[r0drig0lac]

Bucks need Buddy Hield, perhaps monroe + 10 pick to move up in the draft

[palangi]

Bucks need Buddy Hield, perhaps monroe + 10 pick to move up in the draft
???

Didn't they just sign Khris Middleton to a big contracts?

Didn't they just draft Rashad Vaughan?

So maybe not!

[r0drig0lac]

???

Didn't they just sign Khris Middleton to a big contracts?

Didn't they just draft Rashad Vaughan?

So maybe not!

the bucks fans want more 1 shooter on the team to play Giannis as pg full time(I think it would be ideal), Buddy (rookie contract) would be perfect for the team

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

the bucks fans want more 1 shooter on the team to play Giannis as pg full time(I think it would be ideal), Buddy (rookie contract) would be perfect for the team

Giannis at PG is a gimmick and will be exposed just like their prev season's all-6'9 lineup was. They need to get rid of Monroe and get a 3 point shooting PG before they can move on from their experimentations.

[palangi]

Giannis at PG is a gimmick and will be exposed just like their prev season's all-6'9 lineup was. They need to get rid of Monroe and get a 3 point shooting PG before they can move on from their experimentations.
Giannis will play more of a point forward too. Kind of like pippen.

[Kawhitstorm]

Giannis at PG is a gimmick and will be exposed just like their prev season's all-6'9 lineup was. They need to get rid of Monroe and get a 3 point shooting PG before they can move on from their experimentations.

Giannis at PG is the same gimmickry the Bulls were trying w/ Butler at the point.:lol

[cd021]

Been reading up on various prospects

Petr Cornellie- Athletic 6'11 big with range out to the 3pt line-only 20

Stephen Zimmerman-Athletic 7'0 footer, good passer, rebounder and shot blocker and can knock down midrange jumpers. Only 19

Tauren Prince- 6'7.5 SF with a 6'11 1/2 wingspan and a 36 inch max vert- Sounds like a 3 and D player, good 3pt shooter and versatile defender compared to Demarre Carrol. Good rebounder too.

[ninjaskrzypek]

What do you guys think about Nathan Boothe out of Toledo?