Cum Newton: Overrated

[Clipper Nation]

Newton has always been one of the least effective regular starters, at least when it comes to passing. He has a career completion percentage of 59.2% and he's worked with Steve Smith, Olsen, LaFell, Benjamin, Ginn, two of the better running backs in the league, and even Gary Barnidge!


Newton has 33 touchdown passes in large part because he faced the Saints twice (seven touchdowns) and the Giants (he threw five touchdowns against New York, a defense that gave up seven to Drew Brees in one game.) That's 12 touchdowns in three games to some horrible pass defenses.


Again an example of overvaluing "Wins" as a statistic, people are acting like Newton's loss to the Falcons last week was his first slip-up of the season. Not what he did against the Jaguars (71.3 rating), Texans (71.3 rating), Seahawks (65.6 rating), Eagles (59.2 rating), Colts (76.8 rating), or Cowboys (79 rating.)

Newton has seven games this season with a passer rating under 80, which is tied for the most in the NFL with Teddy Bridgewater and Nick Foles. What's that I hear in the background just now? "MVP!" chants for Bridgewater?


For those unfamiliar with DYAR, it means Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. Take a look at all the plays a QB has made during the season, adjust for the defense he's facing, compare it to what a replacement-level quarterback would do in the same situation, and you've got DYAR. Palmer is first with 1,636 DYAR. Brady is second at 1,315. Andy Dalton is third at 1,088. Wilson is fourth at 1,070.Newton has 427. He's behind guys like Kirk Cousins, Cutler, Matthew Stafford, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Derek Carr, Alex Smith, and Tyrod Taylor.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/1/2/10701790/cam-newton-mvp-carson-palmer-better-tom-brady-too

:lmao Cum Newton is TRASH.

[jeebus]

Aren't the Panthers like in the bottom five of SOS?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Aren't the Panthers like in the bottom five of SOS?

AFC South/NFC East schedule

[Avante]

Clipper Nation, how far will Newton take the Panthers in the playoffs, well?

And, tell us all again about how Russell Wilson is GARBAGE. Little man, bipolar?

This is the greatest first 4 seasons by any QB in NFL history. Look at that QB rating. We'll ignore his over 2,000 yards rushing.

The guy has never missed a game and has played in more games than anyone.



2015

Seattle Seahawks (http://www.spurstalk.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA)

16

16

329

483

68.1

4,024

8.3

34

8

45

265

110.1

103

553

5.4

1

7

3






2014

Seattle Seahawks (http://www.spurstalk.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA)

16

16

285

452

63.1

3,475

7.7

20

7

42

242

95.0

118

849

7.2

6

11







2013

Seattle Seahawks (http://www.spurstalk.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA)

16

16

257

407

63.1

3,357

8.2

26

9

44

272

101.2

96

539

5.6

1

10

5






2012

Seattle Seahawks (http://www.spurstalk.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA)

16

16

252

393

64.1

3,118

7.9

26

10

33

203

100.0

94

489

5.2

4

6

3






TOTAL

1,123

1,735

64.7

13,974

8.1

106

34

164

982

101.8

411

2,430

5.9

12

34

11

[Avante]

Why doesn't anyone here actually take a few minutes and Google things? If ya did you'd see tht Newton's five season career is on par with most the great QB's with his running ability better than any of them. And don't be a fool and think that isn't important.

To read you guys who obviously never do any homework at all, sheesh~~~~~~~

[jeebus]

Why doesn't anyone here actually take a few minutes and Google things?
Because our personal lives don't consist of raping 8 year old girls then posting lists on a sports forum.

[Avante]

Because our personal lives don't consist of raping 8 year old girls then posting lists on a sports forum.

Dude, so those bars hired....8 year old girls...to hustle drinks, when the drinking age was 18? Just how damn stupid are you?

Elevate your game slick, ok?

If I started right now it would take me less than 5 minutes to know where Newton stood vs Joe Montana at the same stage of their careers. Why don't you people actually bone up on this stuff just a little bit? Ya look ignorant most the time.

[DJR210]

This dumbass mother fucker can't even troll fans either :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEpB_tIWm_k

This pussy professional athlete who works out for a living couldn't even tug away a jersey from some puny kid holding on with one hand without humiliating himself

He's taking this picking on rival fans at home shit to a stupid level. He pulled the home stadium rulebook card the last time fans brought a rival banner, but I'm sure Carolina doesn't have a rule in their book for fans bringing in rival jerseys :lol

[Avante]

I couldn't care less about what any athletes does away from the field, track, ring, court. Why would I?

All that matters is are they ready come time to perform.

Cam Newton is without question the most entertaining QB today, and I'm talking about his on field antics. He's like a big kid with the NFL his playground.

While I don't see him as an all time great he is among the elite right now.

[unleashbaynes]

like yall wouldn't act the same way or worse if yall were him :lol

[Avante]

Going to be funny when we hear.....

Cam Newton the 2015 NFL MVP.

How many things can this Clipper Nation freak be wrong about?

Cum Newton is overrated....he wins the MVP.

Struggle Wilson is GARBAGE.....he sets NFL passing records.

[Raven]

Going to be funny when we hear.....

Cam Newton the 2015 NFL MVP.

How many things can this Clipper Nation freak be wrong about?

Cum Newton is overrated....he wins the MVP.

Struggle Wilson is GARBAGE.....he sets NFL passing records.
huh?

[spurraider21]

Cam got first team all-pro

[Avante]

huh?

Most TD's/fewest INT's in a five week span in NFL history.

While this isn't just passing.

The only NFL QB to ever pass for over 4000 yards, throw for 30 (34) td and rush for over 500 yards.

He is also the only QB in NFL history to have two 100 QB ratings his first two seasons.

And.,...he has won more games in his 4 season career than any other QB in theirs.

Not postitive about this one but what other QB made the playoffs in each of his frst 4 seasons, playing in two SB's?

And no QB in history has played in more games in their first 4 seasons.

[Avante]

Cam got first team all-pro

The guy had a great season, he deserves all the props.

Clipper Nation what a joke, ha~~~~~

[Raven]

Most TD's/fewest INT's in a five week span in NFL history.

While this isn't just passing.

The only NFL QB to ever pass for over 4000 yards, throw for 30 (34) td and rush for over 500 yards.

He is also the only QB in NFL history to have two 100 QB ratings his first two seasons.

And.,...he has won more games in his 4 season career than any other QB in theirs.

Not postitive about this one but what other QB made the playoffs in each of his frst 4 seasons, playing in two SB's?

And no QB in history has played in more games in their first 4 seasons.

that's just some stat you just made up yourself lol..

[Avante]

that's just some stat you just made up yourself lol..

Wanna bet on that? How about 60 days self bannishment, ok?

[Raven]

Wanna bet on that? How about 60 days self bannishment, ok?


I know it's true, but it means nothing. Just like the thing about Edelman being the most efficient qb ever based on the only pass he has ever made.

[Avante]

I know it's true, but it means nothing. Just like the thing about Edelman being the most efficient qb ever based on the only pass he has ever made.

Then why say I just made it up? Let me guess ya ran off to Google and found out it was true, right?

So the fact he has done things no QB in NFL history has done means nothing? Dude, he's done a slew of things never seen before.

Why fight it like ya do?

[Raven]

Then why say I just made it up? Let me guess ya ran off to Google and found out it was true, right?

So the fact he has done things no QB in NFL history has done means nothing? Dude, he's done a slew of things never seen before.

Why fight it like ya do?

again, if you cherry-pick the sample size, you can create as many records as you want, I'm sure you can find many about rgknee and manziel too. The edelman case is perfect, you can say that he is the best qb ever based on EVERY statistic if you cherry-pick the sample size.

[Avante]

again, if you cherry-pick the sample size, you can create as many records as you want, I'm sure you can find many about rgknee and manziel too. The edelman case is perfect, you can say that he is the best qb ever based on EVERY statistic if you cherry-pick the sample size.

Do me a favor, ok? Pleae read this,......cherry picking?


110.1 -- Wilson's passer rating, which was tops in the league for the entire season. When you shrink the numbers down to the seven-game stretch from Week 11 to Week 17, his rating was 132.8. It was during this time that the Seahawks lost tight end Jimmy Graham and running back Thomas Rawls. They were already playing without Marshawn Lynch, and Sunday against the Cardinals, the Seahawks had backups in the game at left tackle and right guard. But Wilson completed 71 percent of his passes, averaged 8.78 yards per attempt and threw 24 touchdowns against one interception during the seven-game period. The Seahawks won six of those games. With the season on the line, no quarterback in the NFL was better.


118.6 -- Wilson's passer rating on throws from inside the pocket. Not only was that the top mark among this year's group, but no quarterback in the past three seasons has posted a higher number. Wilson completed 72.8 percent of his passes, averaged 8.75 yards per attempt and tossed 31 touchdowns against seven interceptions when he stayed in the pocket. Since Week 11, the numbers are 77.8 percent, 9.90 YPA, 22 touchdowns and one interception. That equates to a passer rating of 145.1. Regardless of what happens in the playoffs, this will be one of the most important things to come out of the 2015 season for the Seahawks. When Wilson has time to sit back in the pocket, he can pick defenses apart. He's shown that ability in the past, but never at such a high level, and it's made the Seahawks extremely tough to defend. If opponents want to try to stay disciplined with their pass rushes and not allow Wilson to scramble, he's perfectly content to hang tight, survey the field and deliver on-target all game long.


1 -- The number of quarterbacks in NFL history that have thrown for at least 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns, while also running for 500 or more yards. Wilson is alone in this club, according to ESPN Stats & Information. The rushing yards tend to get overlooked at this point, but only Carolina's Cam Newton and Buffalo's Tyrod Taylor had more among this year's quarterbacks. Wilson can beat teams in a number of ways: the quick passing game, bootlegs, shot plays and running it. Most importantly, he's been smart about when to use his legs. Of his 553 rushing yards, 466 were before contact. Wilson has shown he knows when to take off, when to get down, when to get out of bounds and when to fight for extra yardage. He has not missed a game or even a practice in four NFL seasons due to injury.


80.4 -- Wilson's completion percentage when targeting wide receiver Doug Baldwin. According to ESPN Stats & Information, no other quarterback/wide receiver combination has posted a higher number in the last 10 years. Since Week 10, when Wilson has targeted Baldwin, he's completed 47 of 59 passes (79.7 percent) for 724 yards (12.27 YPA), 12 touchdowns and one interception. That equates to a passer rating of 150.3. Baldwin has gotten more opportunities and made the most of them. He became the only player in the last 15 years to post a 1,000-yard season while catching at least 80 percent of his targets. Overall, Baldwin finished with 78 catches for 1,069 yards and 14 touchdowns (tied for tops in the NFL).



79.0 -- Wilson's completion percentage on third down since Week 11. That was the top mark in the league over that span, as was his 144.7 passer rating. Seahawks coaches are obsessed with third down -- both on offense and defense. In the first 10 weeks, Wilson was completing 56.5 percent of his third-down passes (21st), and the Seahawks were struggling to extend drives. But down the stretch, the protection has been better, Wilson has had more options, and his decision-making has been outstanding. One key has been how quickly he's been getting rid of the ball on third down. Before Week 11, Wilson was taking 2.77 seconds before passing, fourth-longest. But since then, that number is down to 2.36, fourth-fastest. Overall, the Seahawks converted 46.5 percent of their third downs, fourth-best in the NFL and their top mark since Pete Carroll became the head coach. Since Week 11, they've converted 59.4 percent, tops in the league.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What does this guy have to do?

Most wins.
Most starts
NFL firsts
3 pro bowls
9 playoff games at least

Who did it better with the same NFL experience.....well?

[SpursforSix]

I know it's true, but it means nothing. Just like the thing about Edelman being the most efficient qb ever based on the only pass he has ever made.

LOL. Yeah...that's fucked up. I always use the qualifier, "quarterback" when using passer rating stats. Ryan Nassib is the clear leading QB this season.

[Avante]

All you....Russel Wilson boo! boo! boo!...are looking retarded. The guy is am amazing QB and he's only going to get better. I know I know, being rookies and not getiing it you are waiting for him to screw up, so ya can...SEE SEE HE SUCKS....typical rookie, totally ignoring the fact this is a young guy who will make you look stupid down the road, yep, just like he's doing right now.

Why fight it?

[MultiTroll]

Newton named he and his girlfriends newborn son "Chosen"?
wtf :lol

[Avante]

Newton named he and his girlfriends newborn son "Chosen"?
wtf :lol

Well at least they didn't name him....Fig.

Some of my fav black names.

I-Perfection Harris
Handsome Wearing
Adonis Stone
Hiawatha Francisco
Fair Hooker
Peerless Price
Ivory Crockett
Elvis Peacock
Sultan McCullough
Usian Bolt
Mozelle Ellerbe
X.L. Emerson
Smith Reed
Savante Stringfellow
Elijah Jefferson
Israel Lang
Cyril Pinder
Orenthal James Simpson
MacKinley Dillingham

[Avante]

Overrated?

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did CN really say...


:lmao Cum Newton is TRASH.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That's what happens when ya don't GIVE THINGS SOME TIME.........honest.

Fucking rookie, sheesh~~~~~~~

Clipper Nation as a parent.

CN...go out for a pass son,

Kid drops it.

CN...let's try it again, go.

Kid falls.

CN...how about basketball, you're no footballer.

Then there's....

CN fishing as a kid.

CN...dad, it's been five minutes, haven't caught anything.
Dad....remember what Avante said?

[Avante]

Pay atention.

It takes some time to become a great NFL QB, you won't be there in 1-5 years nobody ever has been if we compare where they finaly end up. So you look at how a QB stacks up against the greats at,..,...THE SAME STAGE OF A CAREER...ok? Ya don't compare a 4/5 year guy with a 10/12 year vet....ok? If ya want to compare Cam to Montana, look at where they both were after five seasons, ok? Not Newton at 5 seasons and Montana's career.....ok?

Both RW/Newton are doing fantastic with the amount of experience they have, ok rookies? I shouldn't have to tell some of you this it should be common sense.

Rookies, sheesh~~~~~~~

[Mal]

He matured, didn`t do anything stupid this sesaon, best QB this season, clearly MVP. Amazing stuff how he has changed.

[lefty]

Haters gunna hate :lol

[Blake]

Overrated?

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did CN really say...


:lmao Cum Newton is TRASH.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That's what happens when ya don't GIVE THINGS SOME TIME.........honest.

Fucking rookie, sheesh~~~~~~~

Clipper Nation as a parent.

CN...go out for a pass son,

Kid drops it.

CN...let's try it again, go.

Kid falls.

CN...how about basketball, you're no footballer.

Then there's....

CN fishing as a kid.

CN...dad, it's been five minutes, haven't caught anything.
Dad....remember what Avante said?

Avante just following clipper nation around

[TheGreatYacht]

GookerNation taking cum from everybody

[Blake]

GookerNation taking cum from everybody

How bad is it that Avante is getting to take a turn.

[TheGreatYacht]

How bad is it that Avante is getting to take a turn.
Shoutout to Harlem for letting his bottom bitch fuck the whole krew

[Avante]

How bad is it that Avante is getting to take a turn.


Avante....Georgia won't miss a beat without Gurley, check out Nick Chubb.
Blake....."oh yeah, well in that game he only averaged....

Then Chubb goes on to set records and become one of the best backs in the nation.

Blake, you really this fucking hard up to bug people? You really thought one game was what I was talking about? Come on little man, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Clipper Nation, let's talk about how Cum is overrated, ok?

At Binn a JC he won a national championship.

At Auburn he won a national championship and a Heisman.

He did things no NFL rookie had ever done.

17-1, in the SB and the MVP.

Now tell us ya dumb fuck, how is he overrated? And, why would you start Derek Anderson over him in the SB.....well?

[Blake]

Avante....Georgia won't miss a beat without Gurley, check out Nick Chubb.
Blake....."oh yeah, well in that game he only averaged....

Then Chubb goes on to set records and become one of the best backs in the nation.

Blake, you really this fucking hard up to bug people? You really thought one game was what I was talking about? Come on little man, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


***Updated with new information on 12/17/2013 to reflect actual amount wagered on Bears/Packers, courtesy of Spurraiders21***
***Updated with new information again on 12/22/2013 to reflect Avante's week 16 bet***


Since he refuses to do so, lets track all the money plays he's done on Spurstalk this year. Lets ignore all the other claims/story changes/goal post moves no one can prove/disprove, lets just stick to all of the games Avante has picked on this site saying he bet on them. Here's how it's gone:

Weeks 1-7:
He was 22-25 (:lmao) through 7 weeks picking games without mentioning how much money he bet, and after claiming he was 14-7 overall in the "$$$$" games he realized he needed to start actually showing how much he was betting to prove he's an NFL historian.

Week 8:

At that point he's 2-1 and up $90 overall (claiming he's 16-8). Then he decides to bet on the Seattle MNF and loses (we know he bet on this one because he voluntarily drops his record to 16-9 after this game):

Results for week 8: 2-2 and down $20 ($440 wager, $420 payout)
Results through week 8: 2-2, down $20 overall


Week 9 is when he starts trying to make it confusing to figure out what he bet. Here are the games he claims he played (though he posted an alternative set of games where he did even worse). He didn't specify a dollar amount so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he only bet $110 to win $100 on all 5 games:

Here's the post where he confirms he bet on these and adds a 5th game he bet on:

Then he ups his wager for the MNF GB -11 game:

Results for week 9: 1-4 and down $1,330 ($1540 wager, $210 payout)
Results through week 9: 3-6, down $1,350 overall


Week 10 is when Avante's behavior becomes truly eratic as he starts upping the ante:

Results for week 10: 2-2 and down $100 ($2200 wager, $2100 payout)
Results through week 10: 5-8, down $1,450 overall


Week 11 he starts randomly posting his picks (or pick in this case) in the club (don't ask me why):

Results for week 11: 0-1 and down $2200 ($2200 wager, $0 payout)
Results through week 11: 5-9, down $3,650 overall


Week 12 he did not pick any games.
Results for week 12: 0-0 and $0
Results through week 12: 5-9, down $3,650 overall


Week 13 he did not pick any games.
Results for week 13: 0-0 and $0
Results through week 13: 5-9, down $3,650 overall


Week 14 he starts posting his picks in the NFL forum again:

Then he adds this at the last minute because of how shitty these games turned out:

Results for week 14: 2-3 and up $410 ($2320 wager, $2730 payout)
Results through week 14: 7-12, down $3,240 overall


Week 15 he did not pick any games.
Results for week 15: 0-0 and $0
Results through week 15: 7-12, down $3,240 overall

Week 16 he lays it all on the line with his lock of the year:

Results for week 16: 0-1 and down $5,500 ($5,500 wager, $0 payout)
Results through week 16: 7-13, down $8,740 overall

Current Avante betting tracker: 7-13, down $8,740 overall

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Avante]

Stupid, ya ever notice I rarely play more than 110 to win a 100? Now think ya dumb fuck.

And, tell us all again about what Chubb averaged in...ONE...game, as a freshman, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blake, are you really that hard up to bug the grown ups?

Stupid, Mason trolled you sooooooooooooooo bad, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! And here you STILL are gobbling it up, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's got to see this, he's going to love it.

Dummy, NOBODY,NOBODY....loses that kind of money in real life in 20 plays ok ya dumb fuck, you really are an idiot.

[Blake]

Stupid, ya ever notice I rarely play more than 110 to win a 100? Now think ya dumb fuck.

And, tell us all again about what Chubb averaged in...ONE...game, as a freshman, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blake, are yiu really that hard up to bug the grown ups?

Says fat ol fuck here to do nothing but bug clipper.

[Avante]

Says fat ol fuck here to do nothing but bug clipper.

Stupid, are you fucking blind? I don't have a 32 page thread, here? I don't talk to everyone? What do you do ya little shit, yep, follow Avante around.

Dude, you're so fucked up it's comical.

I love...

Oh yeah well Chubb only avaraged........as if this FRESHMAN was done playing football, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid fuck~~~~~

[Avante]

Where's my little amigo Clipper Nation at? Come on guy, let's talk about how Newton is overrated and should be sitting on the bench watching Derek Anderson play.....ok ?

[Avante]

Let's do it together little man, ok?

It's...6-0...in the third quarter.

You....STRUGGLE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

Then, after the Seahawks move on.........crickets.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....what a dumb fuck.

[Blake]

Where's my little amigo Clipper Nation at? Come on guy, let's talk about how Newton is overrated and should be sitting on the bench watching Derek Anderson play.....ok ?

Right. I'll let you get back to bugging clipper, fat man.

[Avante]

Right. I'll let you get back to bugging clipper, fat man.

Little man, where did I ask your permission? Just how damn stupid are you faggot?

Tell me again about what a FRESHMAN averaged per carry in ONE game, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, that was fucking stupid,ok?

Now scram ya little queer.

[Avante]

Clipper Nation, come on half pint, tell us all again about how Newton is overrated and Anderson is better, ok? Don't be a little coward, ok?

I can see it now....

It's 6-0 (Broncos) in the third quarter, and Newton throws a pick......

CN....SEE SEE SEE HE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YIPPPPEEEEE!!!!!!!!!


Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Then when the Panthers win it 24-6.........crickets.

That's the bullshit you play ya little faggot.

[SpursforSix]

Avante....Georgia won't miss a beat without Gurley, check out Nick Chubb.
Blake....."oh yeah, well in that game he only averaged....

Then Chubb goes on to set records and become one of the best backs in the nation.

Blake, you really this fucking hard up to bug people? You really thought one game was what I was talking about? Come on little man, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like a porn star..."Nick Chub".

[Avante]

Sounds like a porn star..."Nick Chub".

Are you ever going to grow up?

[spurraider21]

Avante just following clipper nation around
what a freak

[SpursforSix]

Are you ever going to grow up?

come on..."Nick Chubb"...

[Avante]

what a freak

Stick to.....THE RAIDERS YESSSSSSSSSSS 7-9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

what a freak
He needs to stop humping my leg.

[Avante]

He needs to stop humping my leg.

Tell us all again about how Derek Anderson should be starting in the SB over Cam Newton.

[Clipper Nation]

Tell us all again about how Derek Anderson should be starting in the SB over Cam Newton.
Tell us all again about how the Patriots were going to the Super Bowl.

[AlexJones]

Overrated?

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did CN really say...


:lmao Cum Newton is TRASH.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That's what happens when ya don't GIVE THINGS SOME TIME.........honest.

Fucking rookie, sheesh~~~~~~~

Clipper Nation as a parent.

CN...go out for a pass son,

Kid drops it.

CN...let's try it again, go.

Kid falls.

CN...how about basketball, you're no footballer.

Then there's....

CN fishing as a kid.

CN...dad, it's been five minutes, haven't caught anything.
Dad....remember what Avante said?

Stop thinking about kids bro

[Avante]

Tell us all again about how the Patriots were going to the Super Bowl.


Ya mean me and 75% of the world? Have you forgot....
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256277


While only a 100% idiot would ever think about starting Derek Anderson over Cam Newton.

Stupid, there was a reason the Pats were favored in the game. And they were one play away from going into OT. That's a hell of alot different than Derek Anderson...ya reckon?

Tell us all again about that game manager and his 4000/30/500 record settiing season.

My fav......STRUGGLE HAHAHAHA...at 6-0 in the third quarter, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Stop thinking about kids bro

You really are stupid aren't ya?

[Avante]

Russell Wilson

win a SB...check
over 4000 yards passng...check
most wins ever in a 4 year career...check
110.1 QB rating to lead the NFL...check
NFL record 4000/34/500...check

Cam Newton?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Russell Wilson

win a SB...check
over 4000 yards passng...check
most wins ever in a 4 year career...check
110.1 QB rating to lead the NFL...check
NFL record 4000/34/500 (tel:4000/34/500)...check

Cam Newton?
Rookie of the year... Check
first team all pro.. Check
MVP... Check
most rushing TDs by a QB ever... Check
3 pro bowls in 5 years.. Check


need I go on?

[Pelicans78]

The guy had a great season, he deserves all the props.

Clipper Nation what a joke, ha~~~~~

Too late to jump on the bandwagon now. You weren't willing to give him any credit until you had no choice.

[HemisfairArena]

Too late to jump on the bandwagon now. You weren't willing to give him any credit until you had no choice.

Avante isnt very smart,,,,there is a reason he loses money at gambling,,,

[Avante]

Too late to jump on the bandwagon now. You weren't willing to give him any credit until you had no choice.

That's not tue, I just said he's not on a par with Russell Wilson because he isn't.

[Avante]

Avante isnt very smart,,,,there is a reason he loses money at gambling,,,

First ya had me taking Arizona which was a lie and now ya have me losing $$$ which is another lie, dude, why all the bullshit?

I've only given out my legit $$$ making plays here since 2014, try plus $3000, ok little fella?

STOP TELLING LIES!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Rookie of the year... Check
first team all pro.. Check
MVP... Check
most rushing TDs by a QB ever... Check
3 pro bowls in 5 years.. Check


need I go on?

Nope, but I will.

only QB in history to post two 100 QB rankings in his first two seasons...check
3 Pro Bowls in 4 seasons....check
has beaten Newton 4 of 6....check
has played in two SB's in 3 seasons...check
best six game td/int ratio in NFL history...check
has won a playoff game in all 4 seasons...check
number one player in the NFL when it come to merchandizing...check

[Clipper Nation]

Avante isnt very smart,,,,there is a reason he loses money at gambling,,,

[Avante]

Plus $2100 in 2014

Soon to be plus $1500 in 2015.

Why do you never ever ever ever get anything right?

Not very smart is.....Derek Anderson is better than Cam "MVP" Newton.

Stupid is....without BEASTMODE Russell Wilson ain't shit....NFL record 4000/30/500, league leading 110.1 QB rating.

Dude, do you know anything at all?

[Thebesteva]

What's the insult in calling him Cum Newton? OP once again constantly thinking about dick

[Mal]

I dont get it. Just saw a video, when there was a point that Newton`s hater are racists, because he`s a great guy. And then there was a point were Newton`s haters like Johnny Football. That`s total bs. If you start watching football this year, then yeah, but last year Newton wasnt that great, he signed huge deal, which at time was too big (now it`s too low) and Johnny Football was amazing and entertaining as fuck in college. Browns are so fucking irrelevant, so that no one cares about Johnny Football anymore. Their lives and careers went other different paths. One is MVP, superbowl fav other is drunk redneck. All I am saying is that, you can hate/like with past in mind

[Clipper Nation]

Where's that faggot Avante? I was right, as usual.