are the spurs better without parker?

[gambit1990]

i see you lurking in here steel. how long is gonna take your zika ass to say something?

[gambit1990]

whoever's in charge of bolding, i change my mind.

instead of me getting bolded... can you instead change the names of: cry havoc, jhfenton, picnroll, uneagles 2016, brazil, steeledl, nathan89... to: "soft, stinky pussy that hangs like sleeve of wizard"?

[gambit1990]

this is steel on ray mccallum:

Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.
:lmao

[gambit1990]

Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.

Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.

Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.

Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.

Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.

Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.
you gonna defend your other shitty take too? or maybe nathan will?

[gambit1990]

Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.
given how you two felt about mccallum... i imagine you both think parker is playing like a prime john stockton? or do you think he's playing more like a prime magic johnson? :lol

[dabom]

gambit going in deep vs these bolds. :lmao

[gambit1990]

Me and my little brother Nathan89 both agree he looks like the next Gary Payton.
you two clown ass bitches still think mccallum is the next gary payton?


i call people out all the time on this forum. turns out they're pussies.

[TheGreatYacht]

Quit talking to yourself faggot.

[gambit1990]

Quit talking to yourself faggot.
i'm calling people out. notice i didn't call you out cause i already owned you in another thread. gtfo of here.

[TheGreatYacht]

Quit bumping this thread, lame

[dabom]

i'm calling people out. notice i didn't call you out cause i already owned you in another thread. gtfo of here.

:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao
Lol cheerleading. You recover from the gnsf running a train on ya last night?

[dabom]

:lmao

[gambit1990]

stop bumping this, parker is better than kawhi! :cry -thegreatcunt

[pgardn]

idk who's in charge of pinking, but i deserve it.

i would love if all my haters could bump anything i've ever said to prove my point.

Why don't you start a thread about it. Goboom did.
And since you are both self proclaimed geniuses... Yeah.

[dabom]

Why don't you start a thread about it. Goboom did.
And since you are both self proclaimed geniuses... Yeah.

Didn't i sit your ass down in the last game thread? :lmao

[gambit1990]

looks like the short bus finally got around to dropping pgardn off at home.

[HarlemHeat37]

Didn't i sit your ass down in the last game thread? :lmao
:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

stop bumping this, parker is better than kawhi! :cry -thegreatcunt

:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

looks like the short bus finally got around
Did the Canadian faggots spamming :lmao emojis give it away?

[gambit1990]

ya gotta feel bad for thegreatcunt. he almost seems too retarded to be retarded.

[TheGreatYacht]

ya gotta feel bad for thegreatcunt. he almost seems too retarded to be retarded.
26 year old X-Men fan :lol

[gambit1990]

thegreatcunt's irrelevancy is showing.

next target: brazil. i saw you lurking in this thread. where'd you go you erin barry bitch? did you have to scurry away to swallow parker's load like it was life saving medicine or what?

[pgardn]

Didn't i sit your ass down in the last game thread? :lmao

You make a damn good ass wipe.

You proved that to me. Your utter destruction was palpable.

And I love HH showing up to fondle you and then suckle. Keep it up "boys"

"

Pleeeeeaaasseee bold me.."

[steeledl]

Damn you know you got a nigga fucked up when he digging through months of your post trying to find a little nugget. You really melting down.Tbh, that was a obvious hype joke post.


bottom line, this thread is shit and you are shit..... Doesn't get much simpler than that.

[gambit1990]

:lol i wasn't melting down, parker's play has been proving my point. and i wasn't digging through months anything, it's not hard to come across the moronic things you type out.

[gambit1990]

tbh, bottom line is parker is gonna have to step it up big time for us to have a chance. his style of play just isn't doing the trick.

[Nathan89]

Lol Spurs still aren't better without Parker. They are worse.

The fact that this is still true really puts in perspective how bad of a take this is. Awful take by the op.

[gambit1990]

parker had 3 assists. that is not okay for a starting PG. one solution in the original post said that he should be a scorer off the bench. his focus should be to score. NOT to try to be chris paul/a game manager.

[gambit1990]

inb4 parker has a good game and then all the erin barrys on this forum act like he's been playing like that all season.

[dabom]

:lol

[gambit1990]

i don't even consider this a good game but a lot of your parker fans do cause you have such a low standard for PG play. it's fool's gold tbh... how many times has parker even scored 20 this season?

off the top of my head:
-against cleveland, a pretender
-against the bulls, a team that doesn't know how to play defense anymore/is missing the playoffs
-against okc, minus westbrook & ibaka

[steeledl]

:lol i wasn't melting down, parker's play has been proving my point. and i wasn't digging through months anything, it's not hard to come across the moronic things you type out.


Nigga you went all he way to summer league posts. That's half a year ago.... Now I'm sure I've done my share of shit posting but nothing really tops your level of shit posting..... And you continue to bump stupidity .

[ducks]

parker had 3 assists. that is not okay for a starting PG. one solution in the original post said that he should be a scorer off the bench. his focus should be to score. NOT to try to be chris paul/a game manager.
Irving had 0 in a game

[Spurs9]

Comic book fan NBA analyisis. :lol

[gambit1990]

Irving had 0 in a game
i hate irving more than parker tbh.

[gambit1990]

^ thank you for providing the comparison though. both are starting at point guard even though they can't play it.

[gambit1990]

the cavs won more games in the finals without irving than with him iirc.

[steeledl]

:lmao

[gambit1990]

:lmao
what're you laughing at?

not surprised people who like parker also like kyrie.

kyrie is trash. yeah, he has handles... but he's all flash/hype. cavs lost game 1, with him starting. and won two games in the finals without him.

[gambit1990]

steel lurking but got nothing to say. you earned your nickname: soft, stinky pussy that hangs like sleeve of wizard.

[gambit1990]

http://s28.postimg.org/9dle4r4t9/Screen_Shot_2016_04_13_at_12_38_49_AM.png

[gambit1990]

Comic book fan NBA analyisis. :lol
just changed my avatar the other day. this is why:

made it something more appropriate. i call people out all the time on this forum. turns out they're pussies.

[apalisoc_9]

Gambit going ham on all these losers.

[gambit1990]

Gambit going ham on all these losers.
:toast

parker fans come in here and deflect. and then i own their ass if i haven't already tbh.

[steeledl]

http://s28.postimg.org/9dle4r4t9/Screen_Shot_2016_04_13_at_12_38_49_AM.png

left browser open in my phone genius. You are obsessed .

[gambit1990]

:lmao

what're you laughing at?

not surprised people who like parker also like kyrie.

kyrie is trash. yeah, he has handles... but he's all flash/hype. cavs lost game 1, with him starting. and won two games in the finals without him.
steel ducking. nothing new. you give pussies a bad name tbh.

[gilmor]

Parker interview is so fucking smug.. can't stand him..

[gambit1990]

looking forward to when it's the 4th quarter of a close playoff game and parker's ass is on the bench.
2016 nba playoffs: round 1, game 3

[MultiTroll]

2016 nba playoffs: round 1, game 3
But then Popped brought him back in and he immediately had an impact. For Memphis.
Fark.

[K...]

2016 nba playoffs: round 1, game 3

Yawn, and Duncan scored zero points in game 2, man he sucks

[lefty]

Parker was about to fuck this up, got bailed out by Leonard

[DAF86]

Today we definitely were.

[spursistan]

He was Clippers series-level of shittiness, tbh..

At least Pop figured late he has no business being on court to close out the game.

[td4mvp2k]

every fukin playoffs with this pos

[SpursFan86]

Yawn, and Duncan scored zero points in game 2, man he sucks

The thing is, Duncan is still an amazing defender, so even when he's not scoring he's still usually having a positive impact on games. Parker also has the ball in his hands far more than Duncan, so it's a much bigger negative when he's having an off night offensively compared to when Duncan is having an off night offensively.

Sorry, but Parker is unplayable on nights like tonight. The most discouraging thing is that Memphis doesn't even have any great rim protectors and their main PGs are Jordan Farmar and Xavier Munford. This should be a series where Parker builds confidence.

[PopTheGOAT]

The thing is, Duncan is still an amazing defender, so even when he's not scoring he's still usually having a positive impact on games. Parker also has the ball in his hands far more than Duncan, so it's a much bigger negative when he's having an off night offensively compared to when Duncan is having an off night offensively.

Sorry, but Parker is unplayable on nights like tonight. The most discouraging thing is that Memphis doesn't even have any great rim protectors and they're main PGs are Jordan Farmar and Xavier Munford. This should be a series where Parker builds confidence.Duncan is a smart player and can time blocks well, but he has a hard time against Randolph. He just can't play as physical as he used to. Overall, I think he has helped our defense this year, but he seems to be regressing as the season wears on him. It pains me to say it because he is my favorite player ever, but I think he hangs it up this year

[PopTheGOAT]

I think this team is in a great position to move forward without the big three. I'm thankful for all they have done for this team over the course of their careers, but I think the team is being held back a bit because Pop is a sometime too loyal to them. i do think they can help the team in the playoffs with their experience in crucial moments and maybe have a throwback game here and there.

[gambit1990]

good news everyone: parker couldn't possibly play worse in game 4.

bad news: then he has to go up against westbrook.

[DenialTwist]

good news everyone: parker couldn't possibly play worse in game 4.

bad news: then he has to go up against westbrook.

And you know Westbrook is watching the games thinking, he's going to feast on Parker when they meet. Oh no.

[gambit1990]

The most discouraging thing is that Memphis doesn't even have any great rim protectors and they're main PGs are Jordan Farmar and Xavier Munford. This should be a series where Parker builds confidence.

[spurs10]

Tony will likely play better on Sunday. They must have let him in the French restaurant he likes in Memphis. Hope he doesn't eat there tonight!

[gambit1990]

anyone wanna defend parker/tell us he's the head of the snake?

maybe Mel_13? used to respect that poster's takes... until that person blindly and continuously dissed this thread.

[HarlemHeat37]

Man, he has looked terrible for the past 3 months or so, tbh..last year all over again..

[K...]

anyone wanna defend parker/tell us he's the head of the snake?

maybe Mel_13? used to respect that poster's takes... until that person blindly and continuously dissed this thread.

I'm a healthy functioning adult who doesn't needlessly insult my teams players. I understand not every one is privileged and that people have real problems that make them less functional in a society. I understand that bumping your own threads is totally pathetic but some people need an emotional crutch.


Parker is the head of the team. His ability to initiate plays and act as a distributor is important. This team goes as far as mvp Parker takes us. Unless you believe patty is really a pg or that Manu can play 30m a night. Those are unrealistic assumptions but the logic checks out. That makes you not insane but dumb.

[SAGirl]

Duncan is a smart player and can time blocks well, but he has a hard time against Randolph. He just can't play as physical as he used to. Overall, I think he has helped our defense this year, but he seems to be regressing as the season wears on him. It pains me to say it because he is my favorite player ever, but I think he hangs it up this year


I think this team is in a great position to move forward without the big three. I'm thankful for all they have done for this team over the course of their careers, but I think the team is being held back a bit because Pop is a sometime too loyal to them. i do think they can help the team in the playoffs with their experience in crucial moments and maybe have a throwback game here and there.

I agree on Timmy. In my heart I kind of know it, I just go in circles with denial I guess.
Manu I think retires too bc he's been ready for a while. Playing for the NT is equal to going out in style. There's a bit of denial with him as well, but I think he's ready too.

[gambit1990]

This team goes as far as mvp Parker takes us.

looking forward to when it's the 4th quarter of a close playoff game and parker's ass is on the bench.
did you forget how last night's game ended? :lol

[ElNono]

In before Parker scores 20+ and this thread gets mocked left and right...

[Clipper Nation]

I'm a healthy functioning adult


Parker is the head of the team... This team goes as far as mvp Parker takes us.
:lmao Which one is it, faggot? Can't have it both ways.

[K...]

:lmao Which one is it, faggot? Can't have it both ways.

Yeah, I know some people troll here. But the whole argument is more like when you tell your neighbor to turn down the stereo and they respond "why do you hate music" .. Haha, the best players on the team are lma and kawhi. The worst is Bonner. I'd cry more about Parker if there were an obvious solution.. .....Mr almost dead Manu and mr Patty one skill are not great white knights.

I thought Ray was the answer, but we saw how that went. I really don't know any way this team wins without Parker doing his shit game.

[gambit1990]

I thought Ray was the answer, but we saw how that went. I really don't know any way this team wins without Parker doing his shit game.
and you're giving me shit? :lmao

[dabom]

and you're giving me shit? :lmao

:lol

[K...]

and you're giving me shit? :lmao

notice I start no thread about a bad take.

[gambit1990]

notice I start no thread about a bad take.
oh, so you just post your shit takes in good threads apparently.

[gambit1990]

players i'd start over parker: manu, mills, miller.

[SASdynasty!]

players i'd start over parker: manu, mills, miller.

Lol, you'd start Miller over Parker? What are you trying to accomplish, having a team that never reaches the Finals and is usually a bottom-feeder? Because that's what Andre Miller has done in his career.

[K...]

players i'd start over parker: manu, mills, miller.

Holy shit, I thought your first post in this thread was bad, but this too is bad.

Mills-not a pg, easy to lose confidence, more exploitable of defense
Gino-can't play a while game.


You are seriously guilty of emotional decision making. Parker is fundamentally useful. Deal with it. Tissot.

[gambit1990]

my original post is money tbh.

[DPG21920]

I've never seen someone so self obsessed with claiming himself correct then telling everyone how right he is (even when he's not) over and over :lol

You are probably the least likeable person at every party OP.

[gambit1990]

I've never seen someone so self obsessed with claiming himself correct then telling everyone how right he is (even when he's not) over and over :lol

looking forward to when it's the 4th quarter of a close playoff game and parker's ass is on the bench.
remember how the end of game 3 went?

[DPG21920]

Yes. Yes, I do. That doesn't change the fact that you're the guy at the office that breaks up the water cooler talk when they see you coming :lol

[gambit1990]

oh no, my feelings are so hurt and i'm so offended by a comment some random ass person on the internet made.

you don't know me, so you literally have no idea what you're talking about.

[DPG21920]

You obviously care what people think about you since you bump your own threads over and over and tell everyone how right you are :lol

[dabom]

DPG needs to take this :lma. :lmao

[DPG21920]

DPG needs to take this :lma. :lmao

Huh?

[DPG21920]

you'd be able to see more of how right my basketball takes have been but i posted a nude picture of a female and all my posts before then got deleted.

:lol Who says stuff like this? "If my posts weren't deleted, I would have even more posts to bump and show you how right I am all the time!"

[DPG21920]

i participated in a playoff backet once, the year before last and came out 2nd outta... 32 (?) of us. i'd say i only lost because i hadn't paid any attention to the wizards that year.

what prediction(s) do you have that make you so much smarter than me that i can disagree with?

I'm awesome, look!

[gambit1990]

^

i finished second. woulda done better but i really didn't know anything about the wizards and thought the bulls defense could get them by. i was right about each every team advancing except the wizards and rockets; was right about the spurs over the thunder in 6, the heat over the pacers in 6, the spurs over the heat in 5.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/nbabracketology/bracket_snapshots/10239_1397891122.jpg

[dabom]

Huh?


DPG needs to take this :lma. :lmao

[gambit1990]

http://i.imgur.com/0xnlTQ9.png

[DPG21920]

What? That is literally one of the least funny things I have ever seen someone type and makes absolutely no sense. We are all now dumber for having read it.

[K...]

is dpg done? i think i can speak for everyone on spurstalk when i say, thank you for your invaluable contributions as evidenced by today. truly indispensable. the world could not live without it.

i guess he had to go put his makeup on. since he does the entertainment for kids parties. he said john wayne gacy is one of his role models. him and chaz bono.

I was second in an xfl league, i don't need to tell you the year. But basically i auto drafted a team and it just happened to have the two best players but i lost in the last week. Any way iam an expert in the XFL now bc of this. Also reg football since it's apples to apples there.

[gambit1990]

I was second in an xfl league, i don't need to tell you the year. But basically i auto drafted a team and it just happened to have the two best players but i lost in the last week. Any way iam an expert in the XFL now bc of this. Also reg football since it's apples to apples there.
then stick to xfl cause your basketball takes are worth as much as their stock.

[K...]

then stick to xfl cause your basketball takes are worth as much as their stock.

unlike you i don't continually bump my shit takes. lol. I also get jokes and humor.

[DAF86]

I will give him this one last chance, but with each game and leaning more and more towards yes.

It just really bothers me that he is so fucking useless when he isn't directly involved in the play. I wish he had a semi reliable jumper or ar least showed some intelligence and/or desire in moving without the ball to find seams or cuts where he could make himself useful.

[GSH]

What? That is literally one of the least funny things I have ever seen someone type and makes absolutely no sense. We are all now dumber for having read it. You are awarded no points, and my God have mercy on your soul.

[DAF86]

Btw spurraider21, this is what I had to say about Tony when he was playing well.


Parker has been awesome this season.

[steeledl]

Tbh.....

[lefty]

Spurs would have swept OKC without Parker tbh....

[steeledl]

Spurs would have swept OKC without Parker tbh....


True true.

[AFMadison]

Spurs would have swept OKC without Parker tbh....
L

[lefty]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fOm8J_WQZXg/UjEs2nln8FI/AAAAAAAAAqM/4aSBlXYfaF8/s400/its-science-anchorman.jpg

[gambit1990]

parker doesn't create. would love to see andre miler the next game.

[gambit1990]

^ our starting pg should be a distributor. lma and kawhi have to iso so much because tony doesn't help us get easy baskets.

[james evans]

^ our starting pg should be a distributor. lma and kawhi have to iso so much because tony doesn't help us get easy baskets.
no, he just holds the ball for 8 seconds at the top of the key and then decides to put up a shot with the shotclock winding down.

[gambit1990]

parker doesn't create. would love to see andre miler the next game.
spurs got closest in the 4th without parker, with andre miller.

[Clipper Nation]

Spurs would have swept OKC without Parker tbh....

[gambit1990]

parker had 3 assists. that is not okay for a starting PG. one solution in the original post said that he should be a scorer off the bench. his focus should be to score. NOT to try to be chris paul/a game manager.
guess who had 3 assists tonight. to go along with 2 turnovers.

miller had one more assist than parker in 13 less minutes :lol had been saying i'd start him over parker. miller also had 0 turnovers.

[HI-FI]

I wouldn't mind keeping Miller for next year.
Parker should've been gone awhile ago but he ain't going anywhere, not with Pops stranglehold on the team.

[tmtcsc]

The Spurs need to add athleticism and youth. Miller did a great job and I don't think it was a coincidence that the team made a run with TP on the bench.

[ElNono]

The Spurs need to add athleticism and youth. Miller did a great job and I don't think it was a coincidence that the team made a run with TP on the bench.

Conley is that kind of PG, tbh...

[K...]

This thread is still a fail.

You can argue you have better player's out there, but they are not spurs players. I'm fine with PArker over miller. we didn't lose because westbrook hit another level. WE lost bc we couldn't hit shots and couldn't get boards.

[gambit1990]

was telling you guys...

tony parker dribbles the shot clock down... only to make a pass anyone else in the nba could probably make.

and i'd take miller over parker in the playoffs.

tbh, bottom line is parker is gonna have to step it up big time for us to have a chance. his style of play just isn't doing the trick.

if you actually watch games... the spurs go on runs when parker leaves the court. the lead doesn't get bigger after he's been put back in.

defenses know what to expect from tp... and even worse, he slows our tempo by dribbling long enough for the defense to settle.




This thread is still a fail.

This team goes as far as mvp Parker takes us.
^that shows how valuable your basketball take is :lol

[gambit1990]

really hope parker doesn't get a contract extension... unless it's a sign & trade.

i'd say maybe bud would take him but i wouldn't be surprised if he got fired soon/this summer.

[dabom]

Even getting Tiago, they know Bud is the only untouchable there. :lol

[gambit1990]

where all you parker defenders who were so quick to talk mad shit even though this is the only thread i've made about him? if you're one of those people and you're reading this: fuck you.

whoever's in charge of bolding, i change my mind.

instead of me getting bolded... can you instead change the names of: cry havoc, jhfenton, picnroll, uneagles 2016, brazil, steeledl, nathan89, thegreatyacht... to: "soft, stinky pussy that hangs like sleeve of wizard"?

[SouthernFried]

Last, most important game of the season.

Parker 6 points 3 assists. Pretty much says it all.

[gambit1990]

Last, most important game of the season.

Parker 6 points 3 assists. Pretty much says it all.
and 2 turnovers. got outplayed by a 40 year old who played 13 less minutes.

[gambit1990]

hopefully we trade him this summer so i won't have to keep bumping this next season :depressed

[Clipper Nation]

Based on the dropoff in BPM from regular season to post-season:

http://s5.postimg.org/rcwjg880n/RS_PO_BPM_differentials_worst.png


Might as well have all the data in one place.

http://s5.postimg.org/rey1k3i53/Parker_RS_PS_TS_Comparisons2.png

Just look at the dropoff in every advanced metric from season(RS) to post-season(PS).

19.0 PER RS
16.9 PER PS

.147 WS/48 RS
.085 WS/48 PS

109 ORtg RS
103 ORtg PS

.550 TS% RS
.515 TS% PS

32.7% Assist Percentage RS
27.7% Assist Percentage PS

1.2 BPM RS
0.2 BPM PS


This season's choke:

16.2 PER RS
15.1 PER PS

.142 WS/48 RS
.099 WS/48 PS

108 ORtg RS
103 ORtg PS

.546 TS% RS
.499 TS% PS

29.1% Assist Percentage RS
32.8% Assist Percentage PS (wow, he actually improved at something in the playoffs for once!)

0.1 BPM RS
-0.5 BPM PS

Porker fans have never once come up with a response to these statistical truth bombs. Tony Tissot is one of the biggest choke artists ever. It's insane how much hate Manu gets for his turnovers, Kawhi for missing one free throw, etc. when they've had to put up with this faggot choking the entire postseason every year.

[Clipper Nation]

Kareem, Jordan, Shaq, and Lebron never had a cancer like Tony Parker holding them back from repeating. Parker has always choked in every repeat year.

2004 vs LA:

.594 TS% - Manu
.534 TS% - Duncan
.421 TS% - Enrique

And Pop's plan was to give Tony the most shot attempts:

19 FGA/g - Enrique
15 FGA/g - Duncan
10 FGA/g - Manu

2006 vs Dallas:

.640 TS% - Manu
.615 TS% - Duncan
.478 TS% - Enrique

Duncan and Manu were beasting against the Mavs. Tony was chucking and wilting, holding them back.

2013 vs Heat:

.583 TS% - Kawhi
.554 TS% - Duncan
.472 TS% - Enrique

14.6 FGA/g - Enrique
14.6 FGA/g - Duncan
11.4 FGA/g - Kawhi

Outplayed by Mario Chalmers in games 6 and 7. lol MVP candidate. When Tony is your #1 option, you're fucked.

:cry "But, but, Kawhi isn't a first option, guys!" :cry

[gambit1990]

:lol dat gambit poster is quite awful tbh...

the parker fans in this thread :lol enjoy what you still can cause the more time goes by, the harder it'll be for you.

[lefty]

Gambit :worthy:

[K...]

Why doesn't this gambit kid even like the spurs?

This thread asked "is the team better without Parker" The answer has been no.

You say, but Parker sucks.....different issue. Reading comprehension, son.

[Diego20]

Porker fans have never once come up with a response to these statistical truth bombs. Tony Tissot is one of the biggest choke artists ever. It's insane how much hate Manu gets for his turnovers, Kawhi for missing one free throw, etc. when they've had to put up with this faggot choking the entire postseason every year.

this.

[gambit1990]

Gambit :worthy:
:toast

[RD2191]

Porker fans have never once come up with a response to these statistical truth bombs. Tony Tissot is one of the biggest choke artists ever. It's insane how much hate Manu gets for his turnovers, Kawhi for missing one free throw, etc. when they've had to put up with this faggot choking the entire postseason every year.

[sasaint]

Porker fans have never once come up with a response to these statistical truth bombs. Tony Tissot is one of the biggest choke artists ever. It's insane how much hate Manu gets for his turnovers, Kawhi for missing one free throw, etc. when they've had to put up with this faggot choking the entire postseason every year.

Not sure why a Clippers fan is so invested in a Tony Parker discussion on a Spurs forum, but thanks for posting all the advanced metrics. :toast

[Darius Bieber]

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[gambit1990]

the thought of him on the spurs doesn't sit well with me. can't believe it took so long for so many of you to see how little he does for the team.

someone has to be willing to trade for him. worse contracts have been moved...

i feel like he'd prefer a big market. maybe sean marks can us a solid? not sure what assets the nets have though :lol

[K...]

the thought of him on the spurs doesn't sit well with me. can't believe it took so long for so many of you to see how little he does for the team.

someone has to be willing to trade for him. worse contracts have been moved...

i feel like he'd prefer a big market. maybe sean marks can us a solid? not sure what assets the nets have though :lol

Again why be a spurfan if you have these strong emotions?

[gambit1990]

Again why be a spurfan if you have these strong emotions?
because i'm a spurs fan, not a parker fan you fucking retard.

[Clipper Nation]

Not sure why a Clippers fan is so invested in a Tony Parker discussion on a Spurs forum, but thanks for posting all the advanced metrics. :toast
Duncan and Kawhi are two of my favorite players, so I watch lots of Spurs games - which includes seeing a fatass heroballer freeze them out all the time.

[DAF86]

For next season I think so. We need an explosive PG, that can hit outside shots with consistency.

[TXstbobcat]

For next season I think so. We need an explosive PG, that can hit outside shots with consistency.

I'm in favor of a new starter and giving Parker a new role coming off the bench next season

[gambit1990]

I'm in favor of a new starter and giving Parker a new role coming off the bench next season
a suggested solution from the original post:

he comes off the bench as purely a scorer and would have an easier time scoring against the opponents' second unit.

my concern with him coming off the bench is... i don't want him playing the way he does as a starter. he would need to adjust significantly. the new role you alluded to.

[DAF86]

I'm in favor of a new starter and giving Parker a new role coming off the bench next season

Problem with that is the salary man. It's a waste of cap space to have a bench player taking 15 million of cape space that could be used to improve the roster.

[gambit1990]

^true. parker isn't worth his contract as a starter... him off the bench going forward would be a lot of money to spend on him.

[K...]

Problem with that is the salary man. It's a waste of cap space to have a bench player taking 15 million of cape space that could be used to improve the roster.

You are not smart. The salary is a sunk cost. You pay it based on negotiations. You are free to overpay the bench.

[DAF86]

You are not smart. The salary is a sunk cost. You pay it based on negotiations. You are free to overpay the bench.

Yeah, well. You know what's not smart? Giving all-star money to a guy that gives you below average production for an NBA player.

[HankChinaski]

If Duncan doesn't come back for one more year I think they consider looking heavily for trade options for Parker so long as they don't have to pick up a worse contract in return. It is truly up in the air.

I do agree paying 15 mil for a PG off the bench is not ideal.

[gambit1990]

my thought process on what the spurs do with parker is kinda stuck.

i could imagine pop saying something like, "tony is family. he'll be our starter until he retires, just like timmy." :vomit:

what gives me hope is that we traded hill when pop said that was his favorite player at the time.

[cd021]

The problem with Parker off the bench is him being paired with Mills. If manu comes back then you would be looking at a 3 guard set offensively Parker is basically Cojo and Manu did not play well with him because teams ignored him when he did not have the ball. Parker has become a good 3pt shooter but primarily in the corners. There is also Anderson to think about, he is the backup 3, in that situation he would either be moved to the four (if the spurs move on from Diaw) or have to find minutes on the wing behind Green, Kawhi, and Manu.

Parker was much better this season than last but I doubt that the Spurs would move him or could move him. I would hope that they would do it at the draft and get a mid to late first rounder for him but there are not really any teams in need for a vet PG with that much cash committed to him.

[gambit1990]

The problem with Parker off the bench is him being paired with Mills.
correct.

in the original post, one suggestion i made was that he come off the bench... also had this to say:

BUT him coming off the bench would slightly negate the affect of whoever would come off the bench with him: manu or patty.

[gambit1990]

i definitely think he can be moved though. if the spurs really wanted to do that. worse contracts have been traded.

too bad billy king isn't in charge somewhere :lol

[cd021]

correct.

in the original post, one suggestion i made was that he come off the bench... also had this to say:

my bad, did not read part. I agree. Spurs would have him altogether.

[dbestpro]

Parker needs to be moved to the bench so he can play hero ball in limited minutes against other teams scrubs.

[gambit1990]

Parker needs to be moved to the bench so he can play hero ball in limited minutes against other teams scrubs.
that's what i wanted to happen this season.

pretty sure we wouldn't have enough cap space to afford him off the bench AND afford a starting caliber pg.

[Spurs9]

This is a dumb question without knowing who replaces him.

[gambit1990]

^not a dumb question. this thread was made well before the trade deadline. wish we moved him back when he had move value than he does now.

[gambit1990]

Is OP the new ST idiot ?

Whoever said yes should just leave the forum forever. The improvement to the forum would be like when the Pistons cut Josh Smith tbh.

that stupid fuck gambit ... :lmao
i wanted to trade parker when he actually had trade value... now everybody who wants to trade him thinks no one would even take him :lmao

[SASdynasty!]

The Spurs are 6-0 in playoff series in the last 4 years when Parker leads the team in scoring. You guys are the ones who wanted him to shoot less...you got your dream, congrats.

[gambit1990]

You guys are the ones who wanted him to shoot less...you got your dream, congrats.
:lol

from the very first post in the thread...

solution(s):
-trade him (non starter with pop imo)
-he comes off the bench as purely a scorer and would have an easier time scoring against the opponents' second unit.

[therealtruth]

:lol

from the very first post in the thread...

I agree TP's a scorer and doesn't add much else. Better to have him come of the bench and get another 3&D guard to play off Kawhi and LA.

[SD126]

Yeah, well. You know what's not smart? Giving all-star money to a guy that gives you below average production for an NBA player.

Thank you.

[Brazil]

i wanted to trade parker when he actually had trade value... now everybody who wants to trade him thinks no one would even take him :lmao

and you are still the new ST idiot :lol

[Clipper Nation]

and you are still the new ST idiot :lol
He seems pretty smart to me, tbh. Definitely smarter than the French contingent, who keep praising a fat choke artist.

[K...]

He seems pretty smart to me, tbh. Definitely smarter than the French contingent, who keep praising a fat choke artist.

See, do you mean Boris (real fat) or Parker (fat trending) ? There is overlap in those two fan crews but it's not 100%

[gambit1990]

and you are still the new ST idiot :lol
you were the one calling him MVParker not too long ago :lmao:lmao:lmao



and you a few a days ago:

I'm advocating TP off the bench for a while tbh...

part of my original post from early january:

solution(s):
-trade him (non starter with pop imo)
-he comes off the bench as purely a scorer and would have an easier time scoring against the opponents' second unit

eat shit you stupid erin barry bitch.

[gambit1990]

to everyone who wants to keep tp but bring him off the bench... where do you even get the money to sign a starting caliber pg?

and how many other teams in this league are paying their backup pg $14 million? :lol

[objective]

I'm confident that Gary Payton II could be the starting point and by season's end there would be very little drop off from the declined and wrecked Parker.

And given everything else GPII would bring to the table like defense, rebounding, and willingness to move the ball, the team might even be better off.

I don't see why he couldn't be at least as good as George Hill was as a rookie. And Hill had issues, he only shot 40% from the field and 33% from three. But he was good enough to make a positive impact. And more than good enough to make Pop look so stupid for declaring that the playoffs weren't for him that Pop has comically overcompensated ever since with all his "Georgie is my favorite player!" schtick.

[gambit1990]

too bad andre miller isn't younger.

[Snaq O'Meal]

too bad andre miller isn't younger.

They can draft someone who's similar in style.

731244921051471872


I kept having flashbacks of a young Andre Miller as I watched Malcolm Brogdon play this afternoon. Brogdon is a bit taller with a bit more bulk, but his look just reminds me of Miller. Brogdon also played point guard throughout the afternoon and looked a whole lot like Miller in that aspect as well, as he played with a high level of aggression yet was also under control.

I took note after note after note on him. “Sees the floor well.” “Sees things before they happen.” “Flat arc on 3 but swished one home and made athletic plays off the dribble.” “Controlled.” “Long, accurate alley-oop pass.” “Strong handle, great build.”

Brogden finished the day with 17 points, six assists, four rebounds and three steals. He certainly stood out to me, and I’m sure he left a lasting memory in the minds of the hundreds of executives who were also watching with a keen eye.
Source: http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-051216-nba-draft-combine-day-1-takeaways


(Ralph) Sampson believes Brogdon will be a solid NBA player.

“I think he will,” Sampson said. “I think he’ll be a very steady pro. He reminds me of Andre Miller and players like that that had long-term tenures in the NBA. Andre Miller is slow of foot, and I think he may be still playing today.”

He is. Miller, who turned 40 on Saturday, is a reserve for the Spurs.
Source: http://tikiandtierney.radio.cbssports.com/2016/03/22/ralph-sampson-brogdon-can-carry-virginia-to-a-title/

Except Brogdon isn't really that slow. He recorded the fastest shuttle run time in the 2016 NBA Draft Combine. He'll be a steady 6'5" combo guard with big hands, a 6'10" wingspan, and proven defensive capability.

[SAGirl]

They can draft someone who's similar in style.

731244921051471872


Source: http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-051216-nba-draft-combine-day-1-takeaways


Source: http://tikiandtierney.radio.cbssports.com/2016/03/22/ralph-sampson-brogdon-can-carry-virginia-to-a-title/

Except Brogdon isn't really that slow. He recorded the fastest shuttle run time in the 2016 NBA Draft Combine. He'll be a steady 6'5" combo guard with big hands, a 6'10" wingspan, and proven defensive capability.
I am not sure if he will be available for us but if he is, Pop can't pass up on him. He's also older, I think he's 23 already. After a period of adjustment he might be ready to play sooner than rookie PG typically can.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

TP is a fine placeholder as long as we accept that we're not going to win a ring with him starting any more.

In contrast, he'd be a great 6th man. But can we afford a 14m 6th man? And will his ego allow him to move to the bench? Oh, and who starts in his place? ;)

Spurs have an interesting couple of rebuilding years on the way.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I am not sure if he will be available for us but if he is, Pop can't pass up on him. He's also older, I think he's 23 already. After a period of adjustment he might be ready to play sooner than rookie PG typically can.

A versatile, high IQ and high character guy like Brogdon surely would've caught PATFO's attention the same way that Kyle did.

I still have hope that he's available at pick 29, as most scouts have already consigned him to the second round for his supposed limited upside due to his age and lack of athleticism.

[SAGirl]

TP is a fine placeholder as long as we accept that we're not going to win a ring with him starting any more.

In contrast, he'd be a great 6th man. But can we afford a 14m 6th man? And will his ego allow him to move to the bench? Oh, and who starts in his place? ;)

Spurs have an interesting couple of rebuilding years on the way.
I think if we go the draft way, we could afford it (or in addition to the draft, we would could consider dealing Patty for a young first round pick of the past couple of drafts. These guys are still young and in rookie scale contracts with unproven talent but so would players in this draft, be in the same situation. I saw someone suggest Tyus Jones for example since Minny may draft a PG. There are other young guards around the league in the same or similar boat), or draft Brogdon. We probably have to think and look at the younger prospects out there. Spurs may have cast their sight on Ray Mac since he had started games at 23 yrs old for Sacramento. Considering that his upside turned out to be limited it was ok to move in on, but they have to keep looking.

Trying this route would get us a younger guard, not overpriced that still has upside good years (not looking at the downturn of his career or injuries). It would allow this younger PG to get minutes behind Tony, get mentored and hopefully earn the spot. It may be time to look at some diamond in the rough somewhere. If he can pass he will do well, we already have scorers, as long as he can defend, pass well enough and develop a shot he could be fine. Brogdon looks ideal but there can be others, no big names.

What made me think about this possibility recently was Diaw stating the Spurs wished to keep him when I initially misread the whole situation thinking he'd be among the first to be in trade scenarios but thinking about it, if Timmy and Manu retire, it will be a lot more palatable and easier for TP to accept the bench role and enjoy it playing with his childhood friend in Boris. It could be something special for the bench. A shooter like Bertans would fit around them.

[gambit1990]

Spurs have an interesting couple of rebuilding years on the way.
better to start sooner than later.

i can see manu and td coming back and i'm fine with that; finding their replacements for what their combined earnings will be next year is easier said than done.

if we could swap tp for teague... teague is only costing $8 million. and though i think he can do a suitable job, his contract would be off the books by next offseason... in addition to manu's and td's if they use their player options.

we should retool this summer by losing parker and then retool again next summer when we lose manu and td.

[dbreiden83080]

For some reason Tony has never gotten much credit around these parts. The casual Spurs fans I think love him but on this board even when they're winning championships people were rough on him.

[Kawhitstorm]

For some reason Tony has never gotten much credit around these parts. The casual Spurs fans I think love him but on this board even when they're winning championships people were rough on him.

Look at his POSTSEASON win-shares in '03/'05/'14 & get back at me.:lol (Even in 2007, he's was tied w/ Finley::lmao)

2003: (Guess who's on the bench when the season is on the line)

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2005:


Leading Detroit scorer Chauncey Billups had made life miserable for Tony Parker most of the first six games of the series, averaging nearly 22 points per game. Popovich moved defensive ace Bruce Bowen to guard Billups in the second half of Game 7 and shifted Parker onto Richard Hamilton.Billups was limited to five shots in the second half. Hamilton led Detroit with 15 points, but struggled through a 6-for-18 shooting night.


2014:

Guess who's missing:
"Spurs might win if Tony Parker doesn't return"-Reggie Miller

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What does the neutral media think of the Porker/Kawhi dynamic: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/tony-parker-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-oklahoma-city-thunder


Tony Parker has to realize the Spurs aren't his team anymore

[dbreiden83080]

Look at his POSTSEASON win-shares in '03/'05/'14 & get back at me.:lol (Even in 2007, he's was tied w/ Finley::lmao)

2003: (Guess who's on the bench when the season is on the line)

kO4caOwS6jI

bEJA1X1_Lp4

2005:



2014:

Guess who's missing:

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What does the neutral media think of the Porker/Kawhi dynamic: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/tony-parker-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-oklahoma-city-thunder

And if he's not playing we probably don't ring in any of those post seasons.

[K...]

Spurs fans hate him bc he was the cocky one of the big three while also being the worse of three hof players. Never mind that he wasn't really cocky by either young man or nba standards.

He also has the distinction of redefining the position . So many posters want a pass first pg because they forget how bad Avery was.


Kawhi storms YouTube spam is a good example. This young kid doesn't remember Avery and thinks Parker is a fraud because teams shut down his penetration in the playoffs. They see 2014 and assume we always had good shooters. The truth is we had Kerr, bones, Horry, but then Roger mason, Steve Smith, jaren Jackson. We were never a rich shooting team like the warriors. People want to impute the teams failing in Parker rather than the team talent.


This goes back to the topic " did the spurs choke" no, they didn't. Parker didn't lose us 2006. Not 2004. Not 2008-2013 either. He's been exactly the same player all along,,a talented driver with historically great finishing. People want him to be the player we needed, not the player we had. When the spurs lose in the future with average players we'll look back on our hof core and appreciate Parker for what he is: a hof pg with a mountain of achievement with the team. Meanwhile the kids have their stats, YouTube clips, agenda, and stunning lack of historical frame.




My God Parker is way better than Avery. Even this tosb post prime Parker is better than prime Avery. Think about that!

[tholdren]

spurs choked, they are better without attacking version of parker. when his ft rate started going down, he needed to go away. he's roger dorn now. trade

[Kawhitstorm]

And if he's not playing we probably don't ring in any of those post seasons.

If the Lakers didn't have Fisher, they wouldn't have won either but that doesn't mean he wasn't irreplaceable.:lol

Porker had a VORP of ZERO in 2003/2005 meaning he was painfully AVERAGE. In 2014, he had a VORP of 0.1 meaning he was just a tad bit above average.
Basically, Porker could have been easily replaced by a guy that has never made the All-Star or All-NBA team (Conley).:wakeup

Jason Eugene Terry had a win-share of 2.6 for the 2011 postseason run meanwhile Porker had a COMBINED win-share of 2.8 for the '03/'05/'14 postseason runs.:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

My God Parker is way better than Avery. Even this tosb post prime Parker is better than prime Avery. Think about that!

Derek Fisher was better than Avery, so that's not saying much.:sleep

[Kawhitstorm]

He also has the distinction of redefining the position . So many posters want a pass first pg because they forget how bad Avery was.

Avery was a Delly status scrub, being better than him isn't an achievement.


This young kid doesn't remember Avery and thinks Parker is a fraud because teams shut down his penetration in the playoffs. They see 2014 and assume we always had good shooters. The truth is we had Kerr, bones, Horry, but then Roger mason, Steve Smith, jaren Jackson. We were never a rich shooting team like the warriors. People want to impute the teams failing in Parker rather than the team talent.

He's a playoff choker w/ a shaky jump shot who was benched for Speedy mothafuckin' Claxton in a championship clincher.:lol


This goes back to the topic " did the spurs choke" no, they didn't. Parker didn't lose us 2006. Not 2004. Not 2008-2013 either.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/677286-nba-playoffs-2011-tony-parker-must-lead-spurs-sprint-back-into-series


The other Tony? He's been outplayed and outclassed by Mike Conley, an exorbitant, mediocre player who did diddly squat in the pros before this season. When the Rockets (http://bleacherreport.com/houston-rockets) routed the Grizzlies a few months ago at FedEx Forum behind Kyle Lowry's 27 points, it appeared GM Chris Wallace had parted with the wrong point guard.


He's been exactly the same player all along

I agree, a postseason choker.

[gambit1990]

swap tp for teague... and then after the clippers do nothing in the playoffs again... cp3 declines his player option and signs with us? :lobt:

do not want tp's contract on the books next free agency. don't want it this summer either.

[kaji157]

The reason the Spurs are better without him is exactly his contract duration, not so much the ammount. If Parker was due 30 million this year, it wouldn´t hurt us much, the problem is that we owe him that for two years, and while this year free agent class is shit at the PG position, next year will be great, and we need to be in position there.

[gambit1990]

was right about kyrie too.


parker had 3 assists. that is not okay for a starting PG.

Irving had 0 in a game

i hate irving more than parker tbh.

^ thank you for providing the comparison though. both are starting at point guard even though they can't play it.

kyrie is trash. yeah, he has handles... but he's all flash/hype.

[Obstructed_View]

For some reason Tony has never gotten much credit around these parts. The casual Spurs fans I think love him but on this board even when they're winning championships people were rough on him.

They started out idiots who are angry because Manu wasn't starting, and now they've given birth to idiots who just repeat what they hear.

[gambit1990]

i wish there was a metric for how long a player holds on to the ball.

tp dominating the ball is literally the opposite of good ball movement, obviously.

[paperboy77]

Couldn't possibly be worst than what we have now... Adam Hanga looks pretty damn good here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHEShOxzdiY

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHEShOxzdiY)

[K...]

i wish there was a metric for how long a player holds on to the ball.

tp dominating the ball is literally the opposite of good ball movement, obviously.

do you mean a point guard is holding on to the balll? lol faggot. This thread is like a huge self own. you pop up every month to bump this thread and yet Tony remains the starter.

[SpursforSix]

i wish there was a metric for how long a player holds on to the ball.


Yes. It's called WSCTSC. Wasted seconds compared to shot clock. Tony's is 20.3

[Seventyniner]

i wish there was a metric for how long a player holds on to the ball.

tp dominating the ball is literally the opposite of good ball movement, obviously.

I also wish I could find that metric to prove that Parker isn't all that bad about holding the ball. He initiates the offense because he's a PG, and he shoots a fair amount (USG% 21.5 last season, 20 is average) because he's the third option on offense.

Put it this way: Parker had a higher USG% in 2014 at the height of the "beautiful game." He dominated the ball more then than he does now.

[gambit1990]

I thought Ray was the answer, but we saw how that went.
the less you post on here the smarter you'll seem.

[gambit1990]

I also wish I could find that metric to prove that Parker isn't all that bad about holding the ball. He initiates the offense because he's a PG, and he shoots a fair amount (USG% 21.5 last season, 20 is average) because he's the third option on offense.

Put it this way: Parker had a higher USG% in 2014 at the height of the "beautiful game." He dominated the ball more then than he does now.
:lol how many games have you watched this past season? parker burns the shot clock down like he's the great chicago fire.

you say parker dominated the ball more in 2014 than now... what does that even matter going forward? if he's on the team next season he should dominate the ball even less.

[SpursforSix]

:lol how many games have you watched this past season? parker burns the shot clock down like he's the great chicago fire.

you say parker dominated the ball more in 2014 than now... what does that even matter going forward? if he's on the team next season he should dominate the ball even less.

This.

[K...]

lets shake the magical point guard tree and see which amazing young pg is falling to us. I'd be impressed if you ever had a reasonable take other than "no more parker plz, my manhood pales in his comparison"

[SpursforSix]

lets shake the magical point guard tree and see which amazing young pg is falling to us. I'd be impressed if you ever had a reasonable take other than "no more parker plz, my manhood pales in his comparison"

I wouldn't give a fuck if a Pop Tart fell out as long as it cost less than $30,000,000.

[tmtcsc]

Depends. Who can we replace him with? Patty Mills is not the answer. Sadly, he was worse than TP this past year.

[TheGoldStandard]

Depends. Who can we replace him with? Patty Mills is not the answer. Sadly, he was worse than TP this past year.

At this point the spurs could plug in another average height PG and probably get the same production. The offense is changing and getting away from the duties and the secrets that Parker guards so well with his corporate knowledge.

[Seventyniner]

:lol how many games have you watched this past season? parker burns the shot clock down like he's the great chicago fire.

I watched 80 of the 82 regular season games and all of the playoff games. Not every single minute, I tended to turn off blowouts. But I saw most of Parker's minutes.


you say parker dominated the ball more in 2014 than now... what does that even matter going forward? if he's on the team next season he should dominate the ball even less.

My point is that if you have a problem with Parker "dominating the ball" right now, even though he really isn't, you should have had an even bigger problem with it in 2014. But were you complaining about it then?

[SpursforSix]

My point is that if you have a problem with Parker "dominating the ball" right now, even though he really isn't, you should have had an even bigger problem with it in 2014. But were you complaining about it then?

He does though... dominate the ball right now. Maybe not every play but once he gets into that mode, he doesn't stop. And it's usually in the 4th quarter. It's the same play.

Parker dribbles up to top of key.
Pick set for Parker.
Parker goes around wrong side of pick and then bounces back to the top.
Parker dribbles and looks to penetrate.
Parker not quick enough to penetrate.
Parker dribbles to the side and passes with 3 seconds left on clock.
Kawaii has to throw up tough contested jumper.

[TheGoldStandard]

He does though... dominate the ball right now. Maybe not every play but once he gets into that mode, he doesn't stop. And it's usually in the 4th quarter. It's the same play.

Parker dribbles up to top of key.
Pick set for Parker.
Parker goes around wrong side of pick and then bounces back to the top.
Parker dribbles and looks to penetrate.
Parker not quick enough to penetrate.
Parker dribbles to the side and passes with 3 seconds left on clock.
Kawaii has to throw up tough contested jumper.

You're forgetting the ole terrible 2 man game with the wrong big who catches the ball either too early or the ball gets stolen.

[SpursforSix]

You're forgetting the ole terrible 2 man game with the wrong big who catches the ball either too early or the ball gets stolen.

oh right. that's play #2.

bottom line is that the offense looks like shit for many reasons.

[gambit1990]

My point is that if you have a problem with Parker "dominating the ball" right now, even though he really isn't, you should have had an even bigger problem with it in 2014. But were you complaining about it then?
:lol keep trying to convince yourself i guess...

and 13/14 parker was better than 15/16 parker... there really isn't much of a point in the point you're trying to make.


At this point the spurs could plug in another average height PG and probably get the same production.
plug in another pg and he'd average more assists tbh.

[TheGoldStandard]

:lol keep trying to convince yourself i guess...

and 13/14 parker was better than 15/16 parker... there really isn't much of a point in the point you're trying to make.


plug in another pg and he'd average more assists tbh.


More Kyle "Weapon X" Anderson

[Seventyniner]

:lol keep trying to convince yourself i guess...

and 13/14 parker was better than 15/16 parker... there really isn't much of a point in the point you're trying to make.

My point is that you're trying to use feelings and memory to assert that Parker is dominating the ball, while I actually have numbers to back up what I'm saying. A guy with a barely-above-average USG% is not really dominating the ball. Period.

[HarlemHeat37]

FYI..

Average Seconds Per Touch:
1. Reggie Jackson 5.99
2. Lillard 5.64
3. Paul 5.52
4. Westbrook 5.44
5. Rubio 5.3
6. Parker 5.16
7. Walker 5.15
8. Jennings 5.12
9. Frazier 5.05
10. Payne 5.02

Time of Poss(mins):
1. Lillard 8.4
2. Westbrook 8.2
3. Paul 8
4. Walker 7.8
5. Wall 7.7
6. Jackson 7.6
7. Rondo 7.5
8. Rubio 7
9. Conley 6.7
10. Lowry 6.5
16. Parker 5.9

Avg Dribble Per Touch:
1. Jackson 6.15
2. Joseph 5.74
3. Parker 5.71
4. Jennings 5.63
5. Lillard 5.59

He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..

[gambit1990]

My point is that you're trying to use feelings and memory to assert that Parker is dominating the ball, while I actually have numbers to back up what I'm saying. A guy with a barely-above-average USG% is not really dominating the ball. Period.
:lol

USG% factors in field goals, free throws, turnovers. the complaint has nothing to do with those things :lol

tp dominates the ball by over dribbling. a lot.

tony's not a natural pg. his speed/scoring use to made up for that. his over dribbling is bad because it lets the defense settle and makes our offense more predictable/stagnant, and on top of that he doesn't have great court vision.

[SASdynasty!]

TP is a fine placeholder as long as we accept that we're not going to win a ring with him starting any more.

In contrast, he'd be a great 6th man. But can we afford a 14m 6th man? And will his ego allow him to move to the bench? Oh, and who starts in his place? ;) Spurs have an interesting couple of rebuilding years on the way.
Win a ring without him starting? Lol. We can't win a ring without him leading our team in points and assists throughout the regular season and playoffs. Good luck winning one without him even starting.

[SASdynasty!]

FYI..

Average Seconds Per Touch:
1. Reggie Jackson 5.99
2. Lillard 5.64
3. Paul 5.52
4. Westbrook 5.44
5. Rubio 5.3
6. Parker 5.16
7. Walker 5.15
8. Jennings 5.12
9. Frazier 5.05
10. Payne 5.02

Time of Poss(mins):
1. Lillard 8.4
2. Westbrook 8.2
3. Paul 8
4. Walker 7.8
5. Wall 7.7
6. Jackson 7.6
7. Rondo 7.5
8. Rubio 7
9. Conley 6.7
10. Lowry 6.5
16. Parker 5.9

Avg Dribble Per Touch:
1. Jackson 6.15
2. Joseph 5.74
3. Parker 5.71
4. Jennings 5.63
5. Lillard 5.59

He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..
Hey this forum doesn't need your stats. Just let them go on with their baseless narratives please. Ok thanks.

[Seventyniner]

He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..

Agreed. Glad you found the numbers for it. :toast:
Where did you get them from?

[HarlemHeat37]

Agreed. Glad you found the numbers for it. :toast:
Where did you get them from?

I have them in a database, but you can find them on SportsVU on NBA.com..they have a ton of interesting data..

[SpursforSix]

FYI..

Average Seconds Per Touch:
1. Reggie Jackson 5.99
2. Lillard 5.64
3. Paul 5.52
4. Westbrook 5.44
5. Rubio 5.3
6. Parker 5.16
7. Walker 5.15
8. Jennings 5.12
9. Frazier 5.05
10. Payne 5.02

Time of Poss(mins):
1. Lillard 8.4
2. Westbrook 8.2
3. Paul 8
4. Walker 7.8
5. Wall 7.7
6. Jackson 7.6
7. Rondo 7.5
8. Rubio 7
9. Conley 6.7
10. Lowry 6.5
16. Parker 5.9

Avg Dribble Per Touch:
1. Jackson 6.15
2. Joseph 5.74
3. Parker 5.71
4. Jennings 5.63
5. Lillard 5.59

He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..

Parker's numbers are skewed from all the times he bounces it off his foot or throws the ball out of bounds in the first seconds.

[Kyl3]

Just imagine if we had Kyrie...

[gambit1990]

spurs don't need an elite pg to win it all.

if we manage to swap tp for teague... spurstalk isn't ready for how good we would play.

[gambit1990]

you said:

Agreed.

to this posted by harlem:


He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..

which is exactly what you disagreed with me about:

i wish there was a metric for how long a player holds on to the ball.

tp dominating the ball is literally the opposite of good ball movement, obviously.


I also wish I could find that metric to prove that Parker isn't all that bad about holding the ball.
:lmao

[SAGirl]

Just imagine if we had Kyrie...
:clawHe would take shots away from Kawhi. (and LMA)

[gambit1990]

remember in the second half of game 6 against okc when we went on that run... when we played like we deserved to advance?

parker got subbed with seven minutes left to go in the 3rd quarter and never returned.


guess who had 3 assists tonight. to go along with 2 turnovers.

miller had one more assist than parker in 13 less minutes :lol had been saying i'd start him over parker. miller also had 0 turnovers.

had said this during the series:

parker doesn't create. would love to see andre miler the next game.

[Seventyniner]

which is exactly what you disagreed with me about:

You acted like Parker was the worst ballhog in the league the way you talked. He was average compared to the rest of the league.

He also "ballhogged" the Spurs into the 4th best offense in the league. You keep saying that if Parker had the ball less the Spurs would be better. Not only is there no way to know that, Parker would have to dip to below average usage to "dominate the ball" less.

[gambit1990]

You keep saying that if Parker had the ball less the Spurs would be better. Not only is there no way to know that, Parker would have to dip to below average usage to "dominate the ball" less.
the spurs finished the season 8-2 in games without parker. one of the losses was against okc without td, manu, kawhi, and lma. the other loss was against denver without kawhi and lma.

[gambit1990]

FYI..

Average Seconds Per Touch:
1. Reggie Jackson 5.99
2. Lillard 5.64
3. Paul 5.52
4. Westbrook 5.44
5. Rubio 5.3
6. Parker 5.16
7. Walker 5.15
8. Jennings 5.12
9. Frazier 5.05
10. Payne 5.02

Time of Poss(mins):
1. Lillard 8.4
2. Westbrook 8.2
3. Paul 8
4. Walker 7.8
5. Wall 7.7
6. Jackson 7.6
7. Rondo 7.5
8. Rubio 7
9. Conley 6.7
10. Lowry 6.5
16. Parker 5.9

Avg Dribble Per Touch:
1. Jackson 6.15
2. Joseph 5.74
3. Parker 5.71
4. Jennings 5.63
5. Lillard 5.59

He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..
those stats are skewed because when parker's on the court he's either dominating the ball or doing the exact opposite. tp has no middle ground.

would love to see a stat that shows tp's time of possession when the offense is run through him.

another thing to take into account when looking at those stats: the amount dribble handoffs the spurs do.

[pgardn]

So who does Gambit start in place of TP at point?

[gambit1990]

So who does Gambit start in place of TP at point?
i hate having to reply to the retards of spurstalk.

first let me preface this by saying i wanted to trade parker when he had trade value (january). posters against the idea were: nathan89, thegreatcunt, brazil, steelpussythathangslikewizardsleeeve, that geisha bitch cry havoc.

who would i start over parker? in no order: mills, murray, simmons.

i wish there were better options. i wanted to trade him for some. unlike you useless posters.

[pgardn]

i hate having to reply to the retards of spurstalk.

first let me preface this by saying i wanted to trade parker when he had trade value (january). posters against the idea were: nathan89, thegreatcunt, brazil, steelpussythathangslikewizardsleeeve, that geisha bitch cry havoc.

who would i start over parker? in no order: mills, murray, simmons.

i wish there were better options. i wanted to trade him for some. unlike you useless posters.

Fine.

He was not traded.

So you start Mills ahead of Parker which makes you a very tiny dildo. Simmons? Simmons! Holy heroine head...
You have not the slightest bit of knowledge concerning point guards.
There is no doubt Parker has regressed. But you are a total bottle-head in not being able to understand that at the moment we do NOT, I REPEAT NOT, have a better PG on the roster.

Stop bumping this post until we get one.

[gambit1990]

Fine.

He was not traded.

So you start Mills ahead of Parker which makes you a very tiny dildo. Simmons? Simmons! Holy heroine head...
You have not the slightest bit of knowledge concerning point guards.
There is no doubt Parker has regressed. But you are a total bottle-head in not being able to understand that at the moment we do NOT, I REPEAT NOT, have a better PG on the roster.

Stop bumping this post until we get one.
try not replying after i bump it you stupid fuck.

[dabom]

try not replying after i bump it you stupid fuck.

:lol

[LongtimeSpursFan]

i hate having to reply to the retards of spurstalk.

first let me preface this by saying i wanted to trade parker when he had trade value (january). posters against the idea were: nathan89, thegreatcunt, brazil, steelpussythathangslikewizardsleeeve, that geisha bitch cry havoc.

who would i start over parker? in no order: mills, murray, simmons.

i wish there were better options. i wanted to trade him for some. unlike you useless posters.


Mills, Murray and Simmons? A guy that Cant pass or defend, another that can't pass to right guy or ever payed a professional basketball game and a guy that is a 28 year old bench guy?! Damn you're a total dumbshit. Please do the world a favor and never have kids.

[gambit1990]

Mills, Murray and Simmons. Damn you're a total dumbshit. Please do the world a favor and never have kids.
your girl is too busy swallowing them.

[Clipper Nation]

Gambit putting in work ITT like Steve Kerr, Speedy Claxton, Beno Udrih, George Hill, Cory Joseph, and MVPatty Mills at the 1. :wow

[gambit1990]

Gambit putting in work ITT like Steve Kerr, Speedy Claxton, Beno Udrih, George Hill, Cory Joseph, and MVPatty Mills at the 1. :wow
so many posters talked so much shit. they all got owned tbh.

[TrainOfThought5]

TP is a fine placeholder as long as we accept that we're not going to win a ring with him starting any more.

In contrast, he'd be a great 6th man. But can we afford a 14m 6th man? And will his ego allow him to move to the bench? Oh, and who starts in his place? ;)

Spurs have an interesting couple of rebuilding years on the way.

Can we afford a 14 million dollar 6th man???

Ive got good news and bad news.

[SASdynasty!]

Can we afford a 14 million dollar 6th man???

Ive got good news and bad news.
Hahaha it comes full circle

[SASdynasty!]

Parker's numbers are skewed from all the times he bounces it off his foot or throws the ball out of bounds in the first seconds.
Turnovers per game last season:

Russell Westbrook: 4.3
Steph Curry: 3.3
Damien Lilliard: 3.2
Chris Paul: 2.6
Tony Parker: 1.8

Ooh try again.

[I. Hustle]

Today's Spurstalk

[Obstructed_View]

Imagine, the Spurs could have traded Parker for Dwight Howard. All the potential playoff success the Spurs missed out on.

[gambit1990]

with tp signed until after the 17/18 season... this upcoming season is gonna test the FO's commitment to him.

if the spurs are thinking about trading him they would get more with tp having a "strong" start to next season. similar to how he fooled most of you posters this prior season.

[SASdynasty!]

with tp signed until after the 17/18 season... this upcoming season is gonna test the FO's commitment to him.

if the spurs are thinking about trading him they would get more with tp having a "strong" start to next season. similar to how he fooled most of you posters this prior season.
Thankfully we don't have cliffjumpers in the front office.

[gambit1990]

Thankfully we don't have cliffjumpers in the front office.
if you had to choose between our starting pg being cp3 or parker, who would you choose?

[gambit1990]

and try to get parker's dick out your mouth before you type something stupid like he's better because he has more rings.

2015 playoffs
cp3: 22.7 ppg, 7.9 apg
parker: 10.9 ppg, 3.6 apg :lmao

cp3 also had more rebounds and steals per game.

know what parker's offensive rating was? 85 :lol
the only spurs to have a lower offensive rating that series was baynes & bonner :lmao
cp3's was 124, patty's was 133.

cp3: .632 TS%, .580 eFG%
parker: .386 TS%, .363 eFG%
patty: .744 TS%, .690 eFG%

[dabom]

and try to get parker's dick out your mouth before you type something stupid like he's better because he has more rings.

2015 playoffs
cp3: 22.7 ppg, 7.9 apg
parker: 10.9 ppg, 3.6 apg :lmao

cp3 also had more rebounds and steals per game.

know what parker's offensive rating was? 85 :lol
the only spurs to have a lower offensive rating that series was baynes & bonner :lmao
cp3's was 124, patty's was 133.

cp3: .632 TS%, .580 eFG%
parker: .386 TS%, .363 eFG%
patty: .744 TS%, .690 eFG%

:lol

[K...]

Yes,, it's I'd rather have cp3 in the 2015 playoffs. That way we could lose to the rockets instead of the clippers.I'd also like the two healthy bigs (Jordan, Griffin) over Duncan and splitter. I'd also like Matt Barnes toughness injected into Kawhi.

[gambit1990]

K... never fails to post pointless shit.

[TheGreatYacht]

Quit bumping this shitty ass thread, faggot. You make up at least 16 pages out of the 17 talking to yourself :lol

[K...]

K... never fails to post pointless shit.

Your thread started as a poll and your side lost. Then you bump the thread when Parker plays poorly but don't have a good explanation for what Parker could be replaced with. Now you say, look, top 15 player Chris Paul is better and get mad that I ? I? Are being dumb?


I also think curry would be a good pg for us....oh wait I'm sorry I ruined your next bump

[gambit1990]

Quit bumping this shitty ass thread, faggot. You make up at least 16 pages out of the 17 talking to yourself :lol
look through the thread, i wasn't talking to myself i was shutting you the fuck up tbh.

[gambit1990]

Your thread started as a poll and your side lost. Then you bump the thread when Parker plays poorly but don't have a good explanation for what Parker could be replaced with. Now you say, look, top 15 player Chris Paul is better and get mad that I ? I? Are being dumb?


I also think curry would be a good pg for us....oh wait I'm sorry I ruined your next bump
i'd start murray. is that a simple enough explanation for who i'd replace him with?

[Diego20]

:toast

nice thread

[K...]

i'd start murray. is that a simple enough explanation for who i'd replace him with?

I'm happy you are willing to submit a take. You can post in the Murray thread more about it. I think a scrawny rookie isn't our best pg but who knows? Tbqh.

[SASdynasty!]

When you lose your poll 77% to 23% in the most anti-Parker realm that exists, you know the guy is good.

[gambit1990]

When you lose your poll 77% to 23% in the most anti-Parker realm that exists, you know the guy is good.
the poll was made in early january. back when people on here, like you, thought he was elite :lol

[gambit1990]

I'm happy you are willing to submit a take. You can post in the Murray thread more about it. I think a scrawny rookie isn't our best pg but who knows? Tbqh.
you stupid piece of shit. i've constantly said i'd start multiple spurs over parker.

[dabom]

When you lose your poll 77% to 23% in the most anti-Parker realm that exists, you know the guy is good.

Yeah but the minority was actually right you stupid fuck. :lmao

The unpopular take was actually the right one. Dude got heat and he still pulled through the regular season.

That's why gambit1990 stay owning ya fools. :lol

[gambit1990]

:toast

nice thread

Yeah but the minority was actually right you stupid fuck. :lmao

The unpopular take was actually the right one. Dude got heat and he still pulled through the regular season.

That's why gambit1990 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=30595) stay owning ya fools. :lol
:toast

today parker did his best in the 2nd quarter with that burst of points he had. he should do that from bench for us going forward. which i suggested in the original post:

solution(s):
-trade him (non starter with pop imo)
-he comes off the bench as purely a scorer and would have an easier time scoring against the opponents' second unit
people talked so much shit even though i was being reasonable :lol

[K...]

:toast

today parker did his best in the 2nd quarter with that burst of points he had. he should do that from bench for us going forward. which i suggested in the original post:

people talked so much shit even though i was being reasonable :lol

Your point isn't unreasonable. Here's why you are a shit head:

Your title of the thread over claims. You asked a question Then disagreed with answer.

You were late...did you know famous poster apolosic created 100 anti Parker threads? Do you know this subject was debated in depth? Do you know other threads exist? Do you know 100% of the arguments you made were already discussed?

You don't bring much to discuss. Parker sucks, a few people disagree. How to go on forward isn't clear. So saying Parker should be benched is only half the battle.

You are named gambit but use wolverine add your avatar.

You named yourself gambit the xman cuck character but like wolverine, that's seriously messed up

You bump your own thread

You get mad when people call you out

You are friends with Dabom

[sasaint]

the poll was made in early january. back when people on here, like you, thought he was elite :lol

I doubt a lot of us thought Tony was elite. I, for one, simply regarded him as the best of flawed existing alternatives. Unless Pop is willing to give Dijon a baptism of fire (which we all know he is not), then I still don't see a better existing alternative. Unfortunate, but true.

[gambit1990]

Your point isn't unreasonable. Here's why you are a shit head:

Your title of the thread over claims. You asked a question Then disagreed with answer.

You were late...did you know famous poster apolosic created 100 anti Parker threads? Do you know this subject was debated in depth? Do you know other threads exist? Do you know 100% of the arguments you made were already discussed?

You don't bring much to discuss. Parker sucks, a few people disagree. How to go on forward isn't clear. So saying Parker should be benched is only half the battle.

You are named gambit but use wolverine add your avatar.

You named yourself gambit the xman cuck character but like wolverine, that's seriously messed up

You bump your own thread

You get mad when people call you out

You are friends with Dabom
wrong. early on i was asked if i thought the spurs are better with parker off the court. i said yes.

and i don't get mad when people call me out either. i stand behind what i've said.

[apalisoc_9]

Tony's stubbornes is detrimental...