are the spurs better without parker?

[daslicer]

wrong. early on i was asked if i thought the spurs are better with parker off the court. i said yes.

and i don't get mad when people call me out either. i stand behind what i've said.

:lmao Says a guy who curses out anybody who disagrees with him.

[gambit1990]

:lmao Says a guy who curses out anybody who disagrees with him.
go through the first few pages of this thread and you'll see why.

[K...]

Tony's stubbornes is detrimental...

U mad op stole your shtick?

[K...]

go through the first few pages of this thread and you'll see why.

So your saying you're highly sensitive to others opinions?

[gambit1990]

So your saying you're highly sensitive to others opinions?
wrong again. you never cease to amaze me with how stupid you are. people talked so much shit to me then so i'm hostile to them back, i won't let them forget.

[gambit1990]

Yes. Yes, I do. That doesn't change the fact that you're the guy at the office that breaks up the water cooler talk when they see you coming :lol
more ad hominem by dpg.

[dabom]

:lol

[gambit1990]

parker doesn't play = france losing to the us by 3
parker playing = france getting blown out by spain

[K...]

parker doesn't play = france losing to the us by 3
parker playing = france getting blown out by spain

Did you watch either game?

[gambit1990]

idk what having an std is like but i would imagine it's like having to see K...'s replies.

[K...]

idk what having an std is like but i would imagine it's like having to see K...'s replies.

You didn't answer a simple question.

[K...]

idk what having an std is like but i would imagine it's like having to see K...'s replies.

Generally you have to have sex to get an std, I wouldn't worry about yourself.

[gambit1990]

You didn't answer a simple question.
didn't care to see france play the us without a spur on the court. missed the france-spain game but i knew spain would win so i didn't care to see it either.

[dabom]

K... always ask did you watch. I wanna ask if he watched?

[K...]

K... always ask did you watch. I wanna ask if he watched?

Did not. I read the forum. notice though I'm not saying anything like Parker is done, mills looks like a starter, etc.

I just think it's dumb to blame Parker for France losing when so many of there players underperformed. I'd assume if gambit watched he'd be more focused on batum sucking. But hey he's only a max player.

Also lets not lose sight of the fact that op here sucks for bumping his own thread after making the exact same comment in another thread and ignoring the discussion in the main Olympic thread (where more than a few people have mentioned that Parker has been inconsistent, bad, etc)

[dabom]

Did not. I read the forum. notice though I'm not saying anything like Parker is done, mills looks like a starter, etc.

I just think it's dumb to blame Parker for France losing when so many of there players underperformed. I'd assume if gambit watched he'd be more focused on batum sucking. But hey he's only a max player.

Also lets not lose sight of the fact that op here sucks for bumping his own thread after making the exact same comment in another thread and ignoring the discussion in the main Olympic thread (where more than a few people have mentioned that Parker has been inconsistent, bad, etc)

Tony WAS a negative impact on the last 3 playoffs. Do you think for a second looking at just his scoring numbers tell the whole story?

[dabom]

My negro K... just signed off. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

parker doesn't play = france losing to the us by 3
parker playing = france getting blown out by spain
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzxiyu8Btb1qj3i85.gif

[apalisoc_9]

idk what having an std is like but i would imagine it's like having to see K...'s replies.

Gold :lmao

[gambit1990]

no parker, no problem.

[gambit1990]

told y'all.

[BD24]

More like no Green no problem lol

[gambit1990]

More like no Green no problem lol
no. green doesn't slow our pace down like parker does.

[BD24]

no. green doesn't slow our pace down like parker does.
I was obviously making a joke because of Greens absence. You are too butthurt about Parket to laugh about it though.

Obviously Green is important to the team.

[gambit1990]

I was obviously making a joke
i'm too smart to underestimate how dumb some people are on here. i didn't know you were making a joke.

[BD24]

i'm too smart to underestimate how dumb some people are on here. i didn't know you were making a joke.
Fair enough, how about those Spurs :toast:flag:

[james evans]

I don't want to ever see a lineup of Gasol/Parker/Anderson/Dedmond on the floor at the same time at any point during the season. That shit is a catastrophe waiting to happen

[gambit1990]

parker defenders are out in full force tonight.

[gambit1990]

exactly what i thought spurstalk.

[gambit1990]

PTS
AST
STL
+/-


tony
9
4
0
-12


patty
11
5
4
35



both shot the same %.

the team looks alive when tp hits the bench. we move faster, patty brings the ball up the court quicker, the ball moves. all things i've said before.

[lefty]

PTS
AST
STL
+/-


tony
9
4
0
-12


patty
11
5
4
35



both shot the same %.

the team looks alive when tp hits the bench. we move faster, patty brings the ball up the court quicker, the ball moves. all things i've said before.

[Solid D]

I thought TP played his role pretty well versus the Warriors. He had some flashes on offense and he distributed the ball and kept the flow going okay. Whenever the ball came back to him, he tried to make a play. Defensively, it was difficult to judge how effective he really was because of the Spurs' strategy, switching so often.

[dabom]

He was garbage. We got kawhi and lma to win games.

[Chinook]

Sigh. Parker played very well. Patty just played better. If this is the Tony that the Spurs will get every game, they're contenders.

[gambit1990]

Sigh. Parker played very well. Patty just played better.
this thread isn't about one game. the thread is about how the spurs are a different and better team when parker is on the bench. we play much more fluidly without parker dictating the offense.


If this is the Tony that the Spurs will get every game, they're contenders.
4 assists and 2 turnovers in 26 minutes isn't worth $30 million over the next two years.

[Chinook]

this thread isn't about one game. the thread is about how the spurs are a different and better team when parker is on the bench. we play much more fluidly without parker dictating the offense.

Parker didn't dictate anything. He let Kawhi and LMA do all the heavy lifting while doing his job against Klay and making timely, though unnecessary shots.


4 assists and 2 turnovers in 26 minutes isn't worth $30 million over the next two years.

That's true, but that's what he's getting paid, so who cares? Would you rather him use more possessions to bump up those stats?

[barbacoataco]

This is such a stupid thread because what the Parker haters fail to realize is that when Parker is out of the game it's the Spurs bench vs. the opponent's bench. The Spurs for years have featured a strong bench led by Ginobili. So of course you can throw around +\- numbers of Parker vs. Mills, but that's just saying that the Spurs have a good bench.

Don't forget that Parker is going against the starters, and Patty is going against the scrubs, often in meaningless garbage time. You don't think Durant would have shot over Mills just the same as Parker? It's ridiculous that so called "fans" on this site trash Parker when he is respected around the league.

[gambit1990]

This is such a stupid thread because what the Parker haters fail to realize is that when Parker is out of the game it's the Spurs bench vs. the opponent's bench.

from another thread:


parker's ass was on the bench for:

-game 6 against the mavs in 2003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4caOwS6jI

-game 6 against the nets in 2003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeI1qzX9-zc

-game 5 against the grizzles in 2011 (regulation + overtime)

-game 6 against okc in 2014 (regulation + overtime)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNGkYsMYKhE

-game 3 against the grizzles in 2016

those are just some 4th quarters i can remember off the top of my head.

i could post more 4th quarters in close games that he wasn't on the floor but spurstalk has a limit of videos in a post.

[gambit1990]

coach nick just tweeted:

In a game where the Spurs beat the Warriors by 29 points, the most used Spurs lineup (starters) got hammered

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvuEEDcVIAA75Tc.jpg:large

[Solid D]

coach nick just tweeted:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvuEEDcVIAA75Tc.jpg:large

Interesting. I guess it was a means to an end. Spurs dominated the glass and drove to the cup with a purpose.

[K...]

Does op think we need a better pg to take the ball out of kawhi's hand? That's what I hear.

[K...]

coach nick just tweeted:

Maybe gsw has four all stars in their starting line up? I

[gambit1990]

Does op think we need a better pg to take the ball out of kawhi's hand? That's what I hear.
it's truly incredible how you manage to never learn.

[K...]

it's truly incredible how you manage to never learn.

No, I too think a defensive pg would be better than Parker. But I'm not going to bump a thread about it everytimeI feel lonely.

I don't usually complain about the spurs beating the best team in basketball, but I suppose you could

[BackHome]

Can anyone tell me if Parker fucked Gambit mom/sister/boyfriend?

[Clipper Nation]

MVPatty is the best point guard on the Spurs. He deserves to be the starter. Everyone sees it other than Porker's fluffers.

[SASdynasty!]

PTS
AST
STL
+/-


tony
9
4
0
-12


patty
11
5
4
35



both shot the same %.

the team looks alive when tp hits the bench. we move faster, patty brings the ball up the court quicker, the ball moves. all things i've said before.
Dedmon was +29. If you really want to go by single-game +/- stats, good luck. Especially when you're comparing a starter to a bench player. It's awesome how Mills can outplay the nonexistent bench of the Warriors. We all get it. This game was won by the starters keeping up with theirs.

Also, why do you always leave out the categories that Parker outplayed Mills in, like rebounds? Do you literally just find whichever stats Patty had better than Parker and leave out the others every time you do these comparisons?

[gambit1990]

Dedmon was +29. If you really want to go by single-game +/- stats, good luck.
count the columns bitch, do you really not know how to read a table? there's more than the +/-:




PTS
AST
STL
+/-


tony
9
4
0
-12


patty
11
5
4
35



also said this:

this thread isn't about one game. the thread is about how the spurs are a different and better team when parker is on the bench. we play much more fluidly without parker dictating the offense.



Also, why do you always leave out the categories that Parker outplayed Mills in, like rebounds? Do you literally just find whichever stats Patty had better than Parker and leave out the others every time you do these comparisons?
:lol

okay, parker out rebounded mills 3-1. you know what else i forgot to put on the table? parker had 2 turnovers, patty had none.

[gambit1990]

tp in the first half against the kings: 0 points, 0 assists. getting paid $14.4 million.

[DAF86]

Parker is holding this team back. On this NBA you can't be an elite team and not have an elite PG. I'm sorry, but it's the true.

[gambit1990]

Parker is holding this team back. On this NBA you can't be an elite team and not have an elite PG. I'm sorry, but it's the true.
we don't need an elite pg to be an elite team. but we could definitely use a pg better than tp.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Parker is holding this team back. On this NBA you can't be an elite team and not have an elite PG. I'm sorry, but it's the true.

Bulls did. Lakers did. It's that Harper, Fisher, Armstrong, hell even Paxson PLAYED DEFENSE.

Parker sucks. He was ok in him prime, now that he has lost his speed, teams know they can just PnR him and it will throw the Spurs D off balance.

[DAF86]

Bulls did. Lakers did. It's that Harper, Fisher, Armstrong, hell even Paxson PLAYED DEFENSE.

Parker sucks. He was ok in him prime, now that he has lost his speed, teams know they can just PnR him and it will throw the Spurs D off balance.

I'm talking about THIS nba. The one after the rule changes.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I'm talking about THIS nba. The one after the rule changes.

Heat won w/o won. If you have a Point Forward or a SG that can pass, you don't need an Elite PG. But because you definitely need one that plays D, first and foremost.

[DAF86]

Heat won w/o won. If you have a Point Forward or a SG that can pass, you don't need an Elite PG. But because you definitely need one that plays D, first and foremost.

You at least need a PG that can fucking shoot.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

You at least need a PG that can fucking shoot.

True. Parker never developed his 3 point shot. He just relied on the speed to get layups and open Js off the PnR. That's gone and he doesn't know what to do with himself out there. There were like 3 times he could have pulled up for a 3 b/c the kings are just dragging off of him.

[gambit1990]

tony "two assists" parker
making an appearance tonight.

[mkurts]

At this stage we need a decent pg who sets up plays, runs the floor well with good vision and shoot the odd jumper.

For 14 million bucks a year .... Parker ain't that guy

Parker's role now is to facilitate Kawhi and LMA and help ball movement, a complementary senior role player

[lefty]

TheGreatYacht

[SASdynasty!]

True. Parker never developed his 3 point shot. He just relied on the speed to get layups and open Js off the PnR. That's gone and he doesn't know what to do with himself out there. There were like 3 times he could have pulled up for a 3 b/c the kings are just dragging off of him.
He's shot over 40% from 3 for the last 2 seasons. That's one of the best clips is in the league.

[gambit1990]

0 for 6, 2 assists in 25 minutes :lol

[lefty]

0 for 6, 2 assists in 25 minutes :lol TheGreatYacht

[spursistan]

D.Wade has aged much better than Tony..hard to believe that would be the case in 2013..

[Darius Bieber]

0 for 6, 2 assists in 25 minutes :lol

Starting Point Guard for an elite team.... Imagine our team if we actually had a competent point guard like Paul or even an average one like George Hill.

[gambit1990]

after two games:




MP
PER
TS%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
TOV%
WS/48
OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP
salary left on contract


tony
52
4.3
.388
3.3
14.6
1.0
10.7
.026
-5.4
-1.3
-6.8
-0.1
$29.8 million


patty
41
18.4
.531
2.8
20.4
4.9
0.0
.235
3.2
0.3
3.6
0.1
$3.5 million

[lefty]

after two games:




MP
PER
TS%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
TOV%
WS/48
OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP
salary left on contract


tony
52
4.3
.388
3.3
14.6
1.0
10.7
.026
-5.4
-1.3
-6.8
-0.1
$29.8 million


patty
41
18.4
.531
2.8
20.4
4.9
0.0
.235
3.2
0.3
3.6
0.1
$3.5 million



http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/oooh.gif

[Clipper Nation]

after two games:




MP
PER
TS%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
TOV%
WS/48
OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP
salary left on contract


tony
52
4.3
.388
3.3
14.6
1.0
10.7
.026
-5.4
-1.3
-6.8
-0.1
$29.8 million


patty
41
18.4
.531
2.8
20.4
4.9
0.0
.235
3.2
0.3
3.6
0.1
$3.5 million




http://i.imgur.com/jXwhZoG.gif

[apalisoc_9]

after two games:




MP
PER
TS%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
TOV%
WS/48
OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP
salary left on contract


tony
52
4.3
.388
3.3
14.6
1.0
10.7
.026
-5.4
-1.3
-6.8
-0.1
$29.8 million


patty
41
18.4
.531
2.8
20.4
4.9
0.0
.235
3.2
0.3
3.6
0.1
$3.5 million



Wow..unreal :lol

[K...]

Insert random Jack of gif "woooo advanced stats after two games, it sucks we're undefeated"

[K...]

Llmao "remaining salary"

[Clipper Nation]

Insert random Jack of gif "woooo advanced stats after two games, it sucks we're undefeated"

Insert Porker's dick in your mouth and commence slurping, as usual.

[dabom]

after two games:




MP
PER
TS%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
TOV%
WS/48
OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP
salary left on contract


tony
52
4.3
.388
3.3
14.6
1.0
10.7
.026
-5.4
-1.3
-6.8
-0.1
$29.8 million


patty
41
18.4
.531
2.8
20.4
4.9
0.0
.235
3.2
0.3
3.6
0.1
$3.5 million



:lmao

[dabom]

All the "No's". Lol

[Clipper Nation]

All the "No's". Lol
They aren't Spurs fans. They're all Porkersuckers, Kawhi haters and/or Manu haters, tbh.

The team fans voted yes.

[SAGirl]

I suppose one gripe is that he's overpaid for the small role that he's currently playing off the ball, an area of weakness for him. He can shoot the corner 3 but doesn't take nearly enough for that shot to be respected. We shall see, it is early in the season.

[Wildcat67]

At this point I don't know if he is doing anything to help the team at all. He's completely invisible unless he's getting burned on D or bricking a shot.

Surprised more hasn't been made of Pop yelling at him towards the end of the game to give the ball to Kawhi on a couple possession and definately on the possession Kawhi hit the dagger.

He is really frustrating to watch. At this point I am ready for Murray to play, he can't possibly be any worse if he can just go out there and stay out of Kawhi and LA's way on offense and play decent defense.

[SAGirl]

At this point I don't know if he is doing anything to help the team at all. He's completely invisible unless he's getting burned on D or bricking a shot.

Surprised more hasn't been made of Pop yelling at him towards the end of the game to give the ball to Kawhi on a couple possession and definately on the possession Kawhi hit the dagger.

He is really frustrating to watch. At this point I am ready for Murray to play, he can't possibly be any worse if he can just go out there and stay out of Kawhi and LA's way on offense and play decent defense.Guys haven't made much of that bc they have been too busy shitting on 23 year old 1 mill a year player Anderson, who is subbing in for Danny, who is doing exactly what you say... but he's been so exciting to have hot takes about that the Parker concerns are left to the few persevering souls like Gambit.

[KL2]

Noticed this during the highlights of yesterday's game, this look a little familiar to anyone?

http://i.giphy.com/nAbJqfYer9P0c.gif

[dabom]

Noticed this during the highlights of yesterday's game, this look a little familiar to anyone?

http://i.giphy.com/nAbJqfYer9P0c.gif

:lol

[Snaq O'Meal]

Noticed this during the highlights of yesterday's game, this look a little familiar to anyone?

http://i.giphy.com/nAbJqfYer9P0c.gif

http://i.imgbox.com/hHooCE9u.gif

[Wildcat67]

This isn't even the play I was talking about. He did something similar early in the play Kawhi his his last shot.

[SASdynasty!]

Insert random Jack of gif "woooo advanced stats after two games, it sucks we're undefeated"
Hahaha so not only are they now comparing a starter's advanced stats to a bench player's, they are doing it after 2 games! And the remaining salary bit was pretty much the cherry on top! I have to give them points for their creativity.

And yet we have a front office who has won a championship every 4 years who continues to start Tony. They must be really dumb or unaware of the amazing revelations on Spurstalk.

[SASdynasty!]

All the "No's". Lol
The only "no" that matters is PATFO, tbh.

[dbestpro]

Pop should give Parker every other game off, and about 15 minutes a game on the ones he does play.

[gambit1990]

At this point I don't know if he is doing anything to help the team at all. He's completely invisible unless he's getting burned on D or bricking a shot.

He is really frustrating to watch. At this point I am ready for Murray to play, he can't possibly be any worse if he can just go out there and stay out of Kawhi and LA's way on offense and play decent defense.
well put. i agree, would rather see murray out there.


He did something similar early in the play Kawhi his his last shot.

Jump to the 1:15 mark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H3uY0PlwYM#action=share

[tholdren]

trade parker and gasol

[gambit1990]

the team looks alive when tp hits the bench. we move faster, patty brings the ball up the court quicker, the ball moves. all things i've said before.

at the half, everyone on the spurs has a positive +/-.

[DAF86]

He's shot over 40% from 3 for the last 2 seasons. That's one of the best clips is in the league.

Only because he attempts like 1 fucking 3 per game. All of them while being wide fucking open, and most of those from the corners. We need a PG that can shoot 3s for real.

[gambit1990]

tonight: 2 points on 25% shooting, 4 assists, 3 turnovers in 22 minutes.

[K...]

tonight: 2 points on 25% shooting, 4 assists, 3 turnovers in 22 minutes.

SPURS WIN!!!!!!

[K...]

but TBH what is this magic about starting when Patty can get 10-20 pts from the bench? Why is this such an issue?

[gambit1990]

SPURS WIN!!!!!!
yeah, with parker on the bench. now read the title of this thread.

[K...]

yeah, with parker on the bench. now read the title of this thread.

READ THE POLL RESULTS AGAIN LOSER!!!!!!

[K...]

technically, being on the bench is still "with the spurs" FWIW

[DAF86]

READ THE POLL RESULTS AGAIN LOSER!!!!!!

If you make that poll again now the option "yes" would win by 99,9%, tbh.

[K...]

If you make that poll again now the option "yes" would win by 99,9%, tbh.

Correct, but OP keeps trying to re run the same take from January 2016. It's like groundhog day.

[Clipper Nation]

Correct, but OP keeps trying to re run the same take from January 2016. It's like groundhog day.

OP was correct in January and he's still correct now.

[james evans]

If we get rid of Patty next season to givre Parker a Ginobli/Kobe sendoff, I'm personally gonna email someone in the front office. Cuz that would be one of the dumbest moves in NBA history.

[gambit1990]

parker isn't doing anything for this team. his body language is the opposite of patty's.

[gambit1990]

OP was correct in January and he's still correct now.
:toast

this thread was made before:
-hater made one saying tp was going to be apart of the new big 3 http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256131
-harlem made one saying tp should be an all star http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256395

i wanted to trade parker while he had value to people that weren't me. who knows what help the spurs could've gotten for td's last year.

posters here talked MAD shit after i posted this thread. and the original post is respectable as fuck :lol

if you're reading and wanna see people get shut the fuck up then just go through this thread.

i bumped this thread a lot because it was representative of parker's play.

even when parker had "good" games. ask my nigga dabom:

Not a good time OP. Bump it when he plays bad. There's always a next time. :lol

not worried.

[pgardn]

:toast

this thread was made before:
-hater made one saying tp was going to be apart of the new big 3 http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256131
-harlem made one saying tp should be an all star http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256395

i wanted to trade parker while he had value to people that weren't me. who knows what help the spurs could've gotten for td's last year.

posters here talked MAD shit after i posted this thread. and the original post is respectable as fuck :lol

if you're reading and wanna see people get shut the fuck up then just go through this thread.

i bumped this thread a lot because it was representative of parker's play.

even when parker had "good" games. ask my nigga dabom:

oh I get it.

An alt. or a dumbass who can't think for himself.. " muh nigga the fake engineer"
Christ.
Another ignore.

[gambit1990]

oh I get it.

An alt. or a dumbass who can't think for himself.. " muh nigga the fake engineer"
Christ.
Another ignore.
:lmao

i get my assed owned so ignore :cry

i don't give a shit about having alts. not worth my time. i want credit for my takes.

-i was a big fan of simmons since his play in vegas, said he was better than anderson early on
-was right about parker's decline
-this summer i said bertans will be in the rotation
-this summer i also also said dedmon would surprise doubters

[gambit1990]

i hate having to reply to the retards of spurstalk.

first let me preface this by saying i wanted to trade parker when he had trade value (january). posters against the idea were: nathan89, thegreatcunt, brazil, steelpussythathangslikewizardsleeeve, that geisha bitch cry havoc.

who would i start over parker? in no order: mills, murray, simmons.

i wish there were better options. i wanted to trade him for some. unlike you useless posters.

You hate to say it?
Then you did not say it.

You have no F'N answer. "I said we should have, but... But....."

Who do you play at point?
Dumbass.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/993/875/084.pnghttp://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/993/875/084.pnghttp://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/993/875/084.png

go to sleep clown.

[dabom]

If the Spurs didn't have Porker, we would have another 15mil for the cap. Fucking losers. :lmao

[SASdynasty!]

Only because he attempts like 1 fucking 3 per game. All of them while being wide fucking open, and most of those from the corners. We need a PG that can shoot 3s for real.
Hahaha so now it doesn't matter that Parker has shot one of the best percentages from 3 in the league the past 2 seasons (leading the entire league for almost the first half of one of them) because he shoots them from the corner? And he shoots them when he's open instead of forcing contested 3s? Hahaha wow. This is why you guys are so against Parker...even the things he's improved on and developed you ignore because of literally the position on the floor that he shoots and the fact that he's smart about doing it.

[SASdynasty!]

If the Spurs didn't have Porker, we would have another 15mil for the cap. Fucking losers. :lmao
Dabom, a man smarter than RC Buford and Pop himself. Just imagine how many titles we would have won with Dabom in the front office. Probably every season tbh. If we would have brought in CP3 or Westbrook we'd probably have 10 titles even though those guys couldn't win one on stacked teams.

[dabom]

Dabom, a man smarter than RC Buford and Pop himself. Just imagine how many titles we would have won with Dabom in the front office. Probably every season tbh. If we would have brought in CP3 or Westbrook we'd probably have 10 titles even though those guys couldn't win one on stacked teams.

Well, I do always trend the correct way ahead of many people. :lol

[DAF86]

Hahaha so now it doesn't matter that Parker has shot one of the best percentages from 3 in the league the past 2 seasons (leading the entire league for almost the first half of one of them) because he shoots them from the corner? And he shoots them when he's open instead of forcing contested 3s? Hahaha wow. This is why you guys are so against Parker...even the things he's improved on and developed you ignore because of literally the position on the floor that he shoots and the fact that he's smart about doing it.

No, Parker's 3p% doesn't matter because he just doesn't shoot enough 3's per game. Bragging about Tony's 3p % is like bragging about the FG% of a backup center that only attempts putbacks. The % doesn't mean shit if there's not a big enough sample size.

For every 3 pointer that Tony attempts there are like 20 good looks that he ignores because he isn't a good enough 3 pt shooter. Or situations where insted of being on the 3 pt line, he's a couple of feet inside it because that's within his range. So instead of a 3 pt shot the team has to settle for a long 2. Those kind of details have proven to make a huge difference in today's NBA.

We can not expect to beat the Warriors in the playoffs with a PG that doesn't shoot 3s.

[gambit1990]

after a few games:



MP
PER
TS%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
TOV%
WS/48
OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


ginobili
68
8.6
.407
11.5
19.6
2.2
18.2
.018
-2.8
3.1
0.3
0.0


mills
90
25.7
.721
:wow
1.9
20.1
2.3
5.2
.327
:wow
9.4
-1.5
7.9
0.2


parker
74
3.4
:lol
.385
3.8
18.3
0.7
19.4

.002
:wow
-5.0
:lol
0.7
-4.3
:lol
0.0


simmons
98
12.5
.514
6.2
15.8
0.5
12.8
.103
-1.1
0.7
-0.5
0.0

[apalisoc_9]

after a few games:



MP
PER
TS%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
TOV%
WS/48
OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


ginobili
68
8.6
.407
11.5
19.6
2.2
18.2
.018
-2.8
3.1
0.3
0.0


mills
90
25.7
.721
:wow
1.9
20.1
2.3
5.2
.327
:wow
9.4
-1.5
7.9
0.2


parker
74
3.4
:lol
.385
3.8
18.3
0.7
19.4

.002
:wow
-5.0
:lol
0.7
-4.3
:lol
0.0


simmons
98
12.5
.514
6.2
15.8
0.5
12.8
.103
-1.1
0.7
-0.5
0.0



Porker :lol

Post the whole team my man.//

[gambit1990]

Porker :lol

Post the whole team my man.//
i could post stats for the team. would need a more appropriate thread though. that's why i just posted stats for our guards.

[EIC]

Honestly, why do the Parker defenders even try at this point? The best contribution he can make is to participate less.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Honestly, why do the Parker defenders even try at this point?

Because love is blind. :)

[gambit1990]

parker getting torched by his former backup. he can't stay in front of his man... nigga can't stop a nosebleed.

[gambit1990]

sasdynasty hates when you compare parker's advanced stats to other players. the way kobe fans are.

so i thought i'd check out what parker looks like compared to himself... so far this year:
-his PER is at the lowest in his career, is less than half of what it was his rookie year :wow

-his TS% is at the lowest in his career

-highest TOV% of his career

-his OWS, DWS, WS, WS/48, OPBM, BPM, VORP are at the lowest in his career... by a lot

-out of his OWS, DWS, WS, OPBM, BPM, VORP... he's in negative in all those categories but 1. his best category? WS, he's at 0.0.

[SASdynasty!]

parker getting torched by his former backup. he can't stay in front of his man... nigga can't stop a nosebleed.
Parker's opponents so far: Steph Curry, Ty Lawson, Tim Frazier, Goran Dragic, George Hill
Mills' opponents so far: Patrick McCaw, Ben McLemore, Langston Galloway, Rodney McGruder, Dante Exum

[gambit1990]

Parker's opponents so far: Steph Curry, Ty Lawson, Tim Frazier, Goran Dragic, George Hill
Mills' opponents so far: Patrick McCaw, Ben McLemore, Langston Galloway, Rodney McGruder, Dante Exum

sasdynasty hates when you compare parker's advanced stats to other players. the way kobe fans are.

so i thought i'd check out what parker looks like compared to himself... so far this year:
-his PER is at the lowest in his career, is less than half of what it was his rookie year :wow

-his TS% is at the lowest in his career

-highest TOV% of his career

-his OWS, DWS, WS, WS/48, OPBM, BPM, VORP are at the lowest in his career... by a lot

-out of his OWS, DWS, WS, OPBM, BPM, VORP... he's in negative in all those categories but 1. his best category? WS, he's at 0.0.

[SASdynasty!]

These polls are nice too. You would think by reading this forum that people believed that the Spurs would be better without Parker, but it's just that the Krew has such a large post count (by the same 5-10 people) that it just makes it seem that way.

[SD126]

Parker's opponents so far: Steph Curry, Ty Lawson, Tim Frazier, Goran Dragic, George Hill
Mills' opponents so far: Patrick McCaw, Ben McLemore, Langston Galloway, Rodney McGruder, Dante Exum

When you let Ty Lawson, Tim Frazier, Goran Dragic, and George Hill burn you....might be time for a career change

[gambit1990]

These polls are nice too. You would think by reading this forum that people believed that the Spurs would be better without Parker, but it's just that the Krew has such a large post count (by the same 5-10 people) that it just makes it seem that way.
this proves k... is even smarter than you.

even he said if the poll was made today that 99.9% of the posters on spurstalk would vote "yes".

[SASdynasty!]

When you let Ty Lawson, Tim Frazier, Goran Dragic, and George Hill burn you....might be time for a career change
3 of those guys "burned" Parker by losing the game. And I'm not worried about getting burned by Dragic or Lawson or Hill. Those other names are the ones I'd worry about.

[SASdynasty!]

this proves k... is even smarter than you.

even he said if the poll was made today that 99.9% of the posters on spurstalk would vote "yes".
The ironic part of that is that i bet when you made this poll, you thought you could at least get 1/4 of the forum to agree with you, but you couldn't.

[FkLA]

:bike:

[myhc]

:bike:

what the fuck does this even mean? :lol

[spursistan]

Feel confident in saying dude can be out for the year and the team won't feel it a bit.

[DarrinS]

Maybe :lol

[gambit1990]

spurs are 2-0 without parker so far.

[mkurts]

Mills did well in place of Parker today

[gambit1990]

Mills did well in place of Parker today
mills is 2 for 2 on the season.

[Clipper Nation]

Porker in: Spurs lose to the Jizz by 15 at home
Porker out: Spurs beat the Jizz by 14 on the road

The debate is over - the Spurs are a million times better without that cancerous fat blob weighing them down.

[james evans]

this proves k... is even smarter than you.

even he said if the poll was made today that 99.9% of the posters on spurstalk would vote "yes".
unfortunately people are either stupid or have too much pride to admit they are wrong. Parker could be 39 years old averaging -3 points per game and a few of his fans up here would still want the offense ran through him.

[timtonymanu]

where's sasdynasty to pull up his "bu- bu Parker lead the Spurs in points and assists" excuse?

[apalisoc_9]

Parker led the team tonight in Assist while seating from the home couch...name me a player in the spurs can do that?

[SASdynasty!]

spurs are 2-0 without parker so far.
And 4-1 with Mills on the bench.

[SASdynasty!]

where's sasdynasty to pull up his "bu- bu Parker lead the Spurs in points and assists" excuse?
2 games ago Parker had 4 more assists than Mills.
Last night Mills had 3 more assists than Parker.

The only difference being Parker didn't play last night.

[SASdynasty!]

Parker led the team tonight in Assist while seating from the home couch...name me a player in the spurs can do that?
What's sad is that Parker's AVERAGE assists would have led the team.

[elemento]

I appreciate what Parker has done so far in SA, but he is done. Considering that his contract is pretty much impossible to move at this point, Pop needs to bench Tony and play him 15/20 minutes off the bench. The "passive" role is clearly not working.

[SAGirl]

The emergence of Kawhi as the epicenter offensively also makes Tony 's skills extremely superfluous. I think Kawhi could have done what he's doing now last season, but Pop wasn't ready to move on from Tony and give the ball to Kiwi.

What happens when Tony 's back??? At least Danny and Tony will probably be back around the same time and we shall see.

[sasaint]

I appreciate what Parker has done so far in SA, but he is done. Considering that his contract is pretty much impossible to move at this point, Pop needs to bench Tony and play him 15/20 minutes off the bench. The "passive" role is clearly not working.

A player who is "done" shouldn't really be a 15/20 minute guy, tbh. But, he will be our albatross until...

Perhaps PATFO will package a first with him to make something happen. NOT!

[spursistan]

A player who is "done" shouldn't really be a 15/20 minute guy, tbh. But, he will be our albatross until...

Perhaps PATFO will package a first with him to make something happen. NOT!

He is unplayable-level of "done", unfortunately..this isn't a shtick anymore, but he is holding back Kawhi for real seeing how the latter opens up the offense with his ball-handling+ D attention when you put shooters around him..

[sasaint]

He is unplayable-level of "done", unfortunately..this isn't a shtick anymore, but he is holding back Kawhi for real seeing how the latter opens up the offense with his ball-handling+ D attention when you put shooters around him..

The Kawhi/Patty combo looked particularly sweet last night. As SAGirl noted above, With Kawhi's game becoming sooo complete, Tony is an anchor on the starting unit. The question is: what impact would his insertion into the second unit have on it? I know that the paradigm of Spurs fans is for the second unit to provide an up-tempo spark, but maybe it is time to alter paradigms if Pop refuses to divorce Tony...

[SASdynasty!]

I appreciate what Parker has done so far in SA, but he is done. Considering that his contract is pretty much impossible to move at this point, Pop needs to bench Tony and play him 15/20 minutes off the bench. The "passive" role is clearly not working.
Lol, done. Dude's the starting PG on the best team in the league.

[K...]

LET US Again REMEMBER how the op, one gambit1991, did heretofore create this electronic journal in the times of January 2016, and lo he did bump this thread every week with some little nugget of argument, and as a stop clock proves right at least twice a day, young gambit1991 did speak truth through faggotry.

I now pronounce this thread, closed. Now we witness the new paradigm of faggotry "are the spurs better without Kawhi" to be bumped every two weeks until kawhi is tosb or injured for a long stretch.

[Chinook]

I wonder if the team would consider stretching Tony next summer. I can see them not trading him out of respect, but they can't keep him on the roster if he doesn't get better. So the compromise seems to be to either trade him to a team he wants to play for (probably not that hard) who wants him (probably not easy at all) and failing that to release him and hope he signs a decent deal somewhere else that will allow them to claim set-off relief in 2018-2019. That would leave the Spurs with about $13 Million in cap space. That doesn't seem like a lot, but it also gives you Mills' cap hold, so you could probably bring back the whole bench minus Manu and Bertans, Murray and Forbes in addition to the non-Parker starters. The issues are that 1) They are missing a second PG and have almost no means of getting one and 2) If you factor in Mills and Simmons getting deals far in excess of their holds, rookie players getting that extra 20 percent and the room exception, the team is threatening the tax hard core.

This would be the roster:

PG: Mills, Murray, Forbes
SG: Green, Simmons, ...
SF: Leonard, Anderson, ...
PF: Aldridge, Lee, Bertans
C: Gasol, Dedmon, ...

Would probably be ideal to draft a guard in June and bring over Milutinov to balance out the roster.

Or they could keep Parker, and stay over the cap. That would mean that they'd have to hope Dedmon would take the MLE, but that's not a horrible be with it being projected at $8.7 Million. That would be $37M/4 at its max, which is insane. Then you could give Patty whatever he wants to be the starter and tell Lee it's min, LLE or GTFO. Also could keep Manu for whatever deal, but that's not ideal either.

PG: Mills, Parker, Murray
SG: Green, Simmons, Forbes
SF: Leonard, Anderson, ...
PF: Aldridge, Bertans, ...
C: Gasol, Dedmon, Milutinov

With the pick, the LLE (like $7M/2) and min deals to fill the other two spots.

[SAGirl]

The Kawhi/Patty combo looked particularly sweet last night. As SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524) noted above, With Kawhi's game becoming sooo complete, Tony is an anchor on the starting unit. The question is: what impact would his insertion into the second unit have on it? I know that the paradigm of Spurs fans is for the second unit to provide an up-tempo spark, but maybe it is time to alter paradigms if Pop refuses to divorce Tony...
I tend to think once Tony is back, Pop will again try to make it work with him in the SL to the dismay of most. Danny also returning will mask his flaws on defense and provide shooting, so Pop is going to want to see how they do, but Tony would have to get back to being healthy and playing well. Bottom line, Pop will want to extract some value from Tony... which means he's got to play some minutes somewhere.

This statement was revealing:
794732633678868480
794902635908304897

Relevant quote:

Everybody wants somebody good coming off the bench, and he's our guy," Popovich said. "His ability to score and his energy are real important to us."

Patty has evolved into the Spurs energizer and 6th man to be more impactful than Manu at this point, who ideally should stay at the sweet spot of 20 minutes to maximize him. Patty is in his prime and ready to play more if you need him.
There is this quote about how well Mills fits with the SL:

"The confidence is definitely there because the preparation has been solid," Mills said. "It is confidence from understanding what we want to do as a team on both ends of the floor, understanding what Pop and the coaching staff want from me."
And it doesn't hurt, as Ginobili pointed out, that Mills' game compliments Aldridge and fellow big man Pau Gasol.
"It's good for me being able to feed off them, to run around and move off the ball, which is one of my strengths," Mills said. "Running off of LaMarcus and Pau really puts the defenders in two minds of how to guard us. I'm really enjoying playing with both of those bigs."

Hopefully Pop figures things out. It may indeed be that Tony is better in the bench, specially if his minutes have to be restricted so he can remain healthy and avoid the nagging injuries at this point.

[sasaint]

I tend to think once Tony is back, Pop will again try to make it work with him in the SL to the dismay of most. Danny also returning will mask his flaws on defense and provide shooting, so Pop is going to want to see how they do, but Tony would have to get back to being healthy and playing well. Bottom line, Pop will want to extract some value from Tony... which means he's got to play some minutes somewhere.

This statement was revealing:
794732633678868480
794902635908304897

Relevant quote:


Patty has evolved into the Spurs energizer and 6th man to be more impactful than Manu at this point, who ideally should stay at the sweet spot of 20 minutes to maximize him. Patty is in his prime and ready to play more if you need him.
There is this quote about how well Mills fits with the SL:


Hopefully Pop figures things out. It may indeed be that Tony is better in the bench, specially if his minutes have to be restricted so he can remain healthy and avoid the nagging injuries at this point.

Seems like a real Hobson's choice to me. Would you rather grace the SL with Patty and curse the second unit with Tony or vice-versa? (Or is there any CONCEIVABLE way that Tony's moving to the second unit wouldn't be a curse?) I am sure Pop's decision will cause an avalanche of criticism here on ST, though. My own predisposition is to grouse about whatever he chooses to do, tbh. :lol

[Snaq O'Meal]

Seems like a real Hobson's choice to me. Would you rather grace the SL with Patty and curse the second unit with Tony or vice-versa? (Or is there any CONCEIVABLE way that Tony's moving to the second unit wouldn't be a curse?) I am sure Pop's decision will cause an avalanche of criticism here on ST, though. My own predisposition is to grouse about whatever he chooses to do, tbh. :lol

Moving Parker to the bench will wreck the great chemistry of the second unit.

Pop's options now are to hide Parker in the first unit, or move him to the injured list when going up against strong opposing backcourts. And we'll see a lot more of this

http://i.imgbox.com/hHooCE9u.gif

and this

https://i.imgbox.com/As9SBTGT.gif

before Pop goes down with heart failure.

[SAGirl]

Seems like a real Hobson's choice to me. Would you rather grace the SL with Patty and curse the second unit with Tony or vice-versa? (Or is there any CONCEIVABLE way that Tony's moving to the second unit wouldn't be a curse?) I am sure Pop's decision will cause an avalanche of criticism here on ST, though. My own predisposition is to grouse about whatever he chooses to do, tbh. :lol

:lol There is just no way they trade him to appease us... Remember Harlem and his wisdom on this.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2014/11/manu-heb.jpg

Acceptance is the path to enlightenment. lol :lol

I think at least some experimenting in the bench is in order when he gets back. The bench was typically Manu's realm, but he's got to be a part of the blend right now and he's played with Tony his whole NBA career. I think the two of them will make it work. We will just have to hope Pop is more open to shake things up. Pop seems to vacillate in what he wants. He seems more willing to mix guys up than last season when he was so strict with the SL in particular, keeping them together and refusing to adjust that lineup no matter how much they struggled at times. I think the team having so many young players who need experience and seasoning, on top of the injuries have allowed for experimentation this early. It's possible that had Tony and Danny not been injured we never would have seen what we have seen... though guys have been saying Tony needed to be benched since last season...

[sasaint]

Moving Parker to the bench will wreck the great chemistry of the second unit.

Pop's options now are to hide Parker in the first unit, or move him to the injured list when going up against strong opposing backcourts. And we'll see a lot more of this

http://i.imgbox.com/hHooCE9u.gif

and this

https://i.imgbox.com/As9SBTGT.gif

before Pop goes down with heart failure.

Snaq, I hear what you are saying. But the truth is that he is killing the chemistry of the first unit, and it is strictly conjecture for us to "know" that Tony would ruin the second unit, since it is something we have not seen. It is looking more like pick-your-poison time to me.

[sasaint]

:lol There is just no way they trade him to appease us... Remember Harlem and his wisdom on this.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2014/11/manu-heb.jpg

Acceptance is the path to enlightenment. lol :lol

I think at least some experimenting in the bench is in order when he gets back. The bench was typically Manu's realm, but he's got to be a part of the blend right now and he's played with Tony his whole NBA career. I think the two of them will make it work. We will just have to hope Pop is more open to shake things up. Pop seems to vacillate in what he wants. He seems more willing to mix guys up than last season when he was so strict with the SL in particular, keeping them together and refusing to adjust that lineup no matter how much they struggled at times. I think the team having so many young players who need experience and seasoning, on top of the injuries have allowed for experimentation this early. It's possible that had Tony and Danny not been injured we never would have seen what we have seen... though guys have been saying Tony needed to be benched since last season...

That's what I believe.

[mo7888]

I wonder if the team would consider stretching Tony next summer. I can see them not trading him out of respect, but they can't keep him on the roster if he doesn't get better. So the compromise seems to be to either trade him to a team he wants to play for (probably not that hard) who wants him (probably not easy at all) and failing that to release him and hope he signs a decent deal somewhere else that will allow them to claim set-off relief in 2018-2019. That would leave the Spurs with about $13 Million in cap space. That doesn't seem like a lot, but it also gives you Mills' cap hold, so you could probably bring back the whole bench minus Manu and Bertans, Murray and Forbes in addition to the non-Parker starters. The issues are that 1) They are missing a second PG and have almost no means of getting one and 2) If you factor in Mills and Simmons getting deals far in excess of their holds, rookie players getting that extra 20 percent and the room exception, the team is threatening the tax hard core.

This would be the roster:

PG: Mills, Murray, Forbes
SG: Green, Simmons, ...
SF: Leonard, Anderson, ...
PF: Aldridge, Lee, Bertans
C: Gasol, Dedmon, ...

Would probably be ideal to draft a guard in June and bring over Milutinov to balance out the roster.

Or they could keep Parker, and stay over the cap. That would mean that they'd have to hope Dedmon would take the MLE, but that's not a horrible be with it being projected at $8.7 Million. That would be $37M/4 at its max, which is insane. Then you could give Patty whatever he wants to be the starter and tell Lee it's min, LLE or GTFO. Also could keep Manu for whatever deal, but that's not ideal either.

PG: Mills, Parker, Murray
SG: Green, Simmons, Forbes
SF: Leonard, Anderson, ...
PF: Aldridge, Bertans, ...
C: Gasol, Dedmon, Milutinov

With the pick, the LLE (like $7M/2) and min deals to fill the other two spots.

I like 1st option but, it really depends on how much mental growth Murray shows this year and over the summer. I think we probably sign a Garino type for wing depth and bring over milutinov, as you suggested.

[SAGirl]

I wonder if the team would consider stretching Tony next summer. I can see them not trading him out of respect, but they can't keep him on the roster if he doesn't get better. So the compromise seems to be to either trade him to a team he wants to play for (probably not that hard) who wants him (probably not easy at all) and failing that to release him and hope he signs a decent deal somewhere else that will allow them to claim set-off relief in 2018-2019. That would leave the Spurs with about $13 Million in cap space. That doesn't seem like a lot, but it also gives you Mills' cap hold, so you could probably bring back the whole bench minus Manu and Bertans, Murray and Forbes in addition to the non-Parker starters. The issues are that 1) They are missing a second PG and have almost no means of getting one and 2) If you factor in Mills and Simmons getting deals far in excess of their holds, rookie players getting that extra 20 percent and the room exception, the team is threatening the tax hard core.

This would be the roster:

PG: Mills, Murray, Forbes
SG: Green, Simmons, ...
SF: Leonard, Anderson, ...
PF: Aldridge, Lee, Bertans
C: Gasol, Dedmon, ...

Would probably be ideal to draft a guard in June and bring over Milutinov to balance out the roster.

Or they could keep Parker, and stay over the cap. That would mean that they'd have to hope Dedmon would take the MLE, but that's not a horrible be with it being projected at $8.7 Million. That would be $37M/4 at its max, which is insane. Then you could give Patty whatever he wants to be the starter and tell Lee it's min, LLE or GTFO. Also could keep Manu for whatever deal, but that's not ideal either.

PG: Mills, Parker, Murray
SG: Green, Simmons, Forbes
SF: Leonard, Anderson, ...
PF: Aldridge, Bertans, ...
C: Gasol, Dedmon, Milutinov

With the pick, the LLE (like $7M/2) and min deals to fill the other two spots.

Thanks for this post Chinook.
I like to speculate about roster construction a lot, but I do get confused about what needs to happen to retain some guys. It might be too early to say, but Tony developing bad knees could spell the end for him. He has already been breaking down for 2-3 seasons midway through and he stated due to aging he's now taking longer to recover, etc. But it's a bad sign to have a knee injury to start the season and him trying to play through it. I see shades of Tim with the knee issues, and Tony being a formerly speedy guard, who still needs jets to play (even if they are selectively used) could doom him. Something to keep track of.

Tony's knee watch...

[Chinook]

Thanks for this post Chinook.
I like to speculate about roster construction a lot, but I do get confused about what needs to happen to retain some guys. It might be too early to say, but Tony developing bad knees could spell the end for him. He has already been breaking down for 2-3 seasons midway through and he stated due to aging he's now taking longer to recover, etc. But it's a bad sign to have a knee injury to start the season and him trying to play through it. I see shades of Tim with the knee issues, and Tony being a formerly speedy guard, who still needs jets to play (even if they are selectively used) could doom him. Something to keep track of.

Tony's knee watch...

Medical retirement would be an interesting development. The main thing to understand is that he wouldn't get the Spurs cap relief next off-season, but I guess it would get them an injury exception which would be like an extra MLE for one-year deals. Might be enough to get someone like Teodosic to come over. And with him being an Arenas RFA after that, it wouldn't be very hard to keep him if he turned out to be any good.

[sasaint]

:lol There is just no way they trade him to appease us... Remember Harlem and his wisdom on this.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2014/11/manu-heb.jpg

Acceptance is the path to enlightenment. lol :lol

I think at least some experimenting in the bench is in order when he gets back. The bench was typically Manu's realm, but he's got to be a part of the blend right now and he's played with Tony his whole NBA career. I think the two of them will make it work. We will just have to hope Pop is more open to shake things up. Pop seems to vacillate in what he wants. He seems more willing to mix guys up than last season when he was so strict with the SL in particular, keeping them together and refusing to adjust that lineup no matter how much they struggled at times. I think the team having so many young players who need experience and seasoning, on top of the injuries have allowed for experimentation this early. It's possible that had Tony and Danny not been injured we never would have seen what we have seen... though guys have been saying Tony needed to be benched since last season...

That would be my guess (and my preference), assuming Tony isn't completely done. Besides, I am kind of interested to see if that wouldn't give us a preview of the starting unit going forward: Patty, Danny, Kawhi, LMA, Gasol.

[SASdynasty!]

No they're not.

[Clipper Nation]

Spurs would be losing by 30 right now with Porker.

[dabom]

Spurs would be losing by 30 right now with Porker.

[dabom]

Spurs are missing green.

[Chris]

Spurs looking completely lost on offense without MVParker tonight imo

[dabom]

Spurs looking completely lost on offense without MVParker tonight imo

It's the defense dumbass. :lmao

[dabom]

We've already seen what porker brings to a clippers spurs series. And it ain't the 2012 version. :lol

[Chris]

It's the defense dumbass. :lmao

:downspin: that shit :lol

[dabom]

:downspin: that shit :lol

We scored 55. They scored 70+. :lmao

[Chris]

We scored 55. They scored 70+. :lmao

Spurs have 9 turnovers w/o MVParker running the offense. Guess how many points the Clippers have scored on those turnovers? Look at how many points we're behind :lol

[dabom]

Spurs have 9 turnovers w/o MVParker running the offense. Guess how many points the Clippers have scored on those turnovers? Look at how many points we're behind :lol

The clippers have one turnover. ZERO fucking defense from the Spurs. Uneducated vanilla main stream fan. :lmao

[SASdynasty!]

Spurs looking completely lost on offense without MVParker tonight imo
Lol vanilla fans that thought Parker's days were done. This team is a lottery team without MVParker.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs looking completely lost on offense without MVParker tonight imo

[gambit1990]

spurs aren't missing parker. last night they missed green, duncan, defense.

not surprised the spurs lost. i specifically brought up concern about playing the clippers over the summer.

[hater]

Lol vanilla fans that thought Parker's days were done. This team is a lottery team without MVParker.

[TheGreatYacht]

OP is a fucking faggot :lmao

[SASdynasty!]

Lol this team without MVParker

[hater]

:lmao at all dat vanilla favgot posters that dont know basketball :lol

[dabom]

:lmao at all dat vanilla favgot posters that dont know basketball :lol

:lmao

[SASdynasty!]

Back to .500 without Parker with the nailbiting win against Dallas at home.

[dabom]

Premature ejaculation is bad thing. Ya need to go get it checked out. :lmao

[ElNono]

some niglets holding the :lma tonight :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Close win against the worst team in the league :lol

.500 without Parker, with some luck too :lol

[K...]

Premature ejaculation is bad thing. Ya need to go get it checked out. :lmao

Gambit has been taking the long hard L for nearly two years with this thread.

[dabom]

Gambit has been taking the long hard L for nearly two years with this thread.

No he hasn't you stupid fuck. Spurs without Parker means we get a player or 14 mil in cap space in that scenario. :lmao

[SASdynasty!]

No he hasn't you stupid fuck. Spurs without Parker means we get a player or 14 mil in cap space in that scenario. :lmao
14 million is a bargain in today's NBA when a decrepit Ginobili is making more.

[ElNono]

14 million is a bargain in today's NBA when a decrepit Ginobili is making more.

At least decrepit Ginobili is earning his keep... this nigga if he's not 'injured' is 'resting'...

[HarlemHeat37]

Of course Parker is better than Dejounte Murray, that's not an accomplishment, tbh:lol

[Hoops Czar]

At least decrepit Ginobili is earning his keep... this nigga if he's not 'injured' is 'resting'...

Not earning, more like stealing. The franchise didn't even rip off the team for $14M in his final season but, for some reason, Ginobili deserves it for all his years of service. The dude is playing like a scrambled egg on the court and people are still trying to justify paying this guy $14M. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Not earning, more like stealing. The franchise didn't even rip off the team for $14M in his final season but, for some reason, Ginobili deserves it for all his years of service. The dude is playing like a scrambled egg on the court and people are still trying to justify paying this guy $14M contract. :lol
Costing us a championship in 2013 while being paid $14,000,000 should've been more than enough of a pay back. RC wouldn't pay this piece of road kill that money if it was coming out of his own pocket

[dabom]

Costing us a championship in 2013 while being paid $14,000,000 should've been more than enough of a pay back. RC wouldn't pay this piece of road kill that money if it was coming out of his own pocket

Porker going MIA in game 6 and 7. :lmao

[ElNono]

Not earning, more like stealing. The franchise didn't even rip off the team for $14M in his final season but, for some reason, Ginobili deserves it for all his years of service. The dude is playing like a scrambled egg on the court and people are still trying to justify paying this guy $14M. :lol

:lol who's trying to justify anything? If Pop didn't want Manu back, he'd be making $15M in Philly... but that's beside the point, at least he shows up to play (good or bad)...

He'll have his annual injury, tbh, we'll get to that in due time... it's actually more surprising how much more fragile 5 year younger Tony has been the last couple seasons, tbh...

[313]

Porker going MIA in game 6 and 7. :lmaobPxEmxKf0Dc

[313]

:lol Mills letting some homeless version of Steph curry drop a career high on him

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol Mills letting some homeless version of Steph curry drop a career high on him
:lol continues to let the short bus down

[$pursDynasty]

It's the defense dumbass. :lmao
how about that defense tonight against the Hornets? :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/04/article-2213087-155A4FAB000005DC-675_634x484.jpg

[gambit1990]

parker fans bumping this after a 3 for 10, 3 assists performance in 28 minutes :rollin

[SASdynasty!]

parker fans bumping this after a 3 for 10, 3 assists performance in 28 minutes :rollin
Not his best night...played great defense, especially in crunch time and of course sealed the game with a clutch 3 and 4 free throws. Mediocre night for Parker overall but still necessary to be better than a .500 team.

[gambit1990]

parker fans bumped this after we struggled with the mavs like he was the answer.

we struggled against the hornets and we struggled against the celtics.

now that he's back what's he averaged over those two games?

9 points on 35% shooting, 3.5 assists, 1.5 turnovers. he's also given up 3 and 1s in the past two games. we closed boston out with him on the bench.

[dabom]

:lol

[ElNono]

He was clearly being targeted at the end against the Celtics, tbh... not his fault sometimes he can't be hid on defense... props to Pop for recognizing it and going with Manu to close the game...

[$pursDynasty]

The most important measuring stick to this asinine question is what is the Spurs when Parker plays and what is it when he doesn't?

[gambit1990]

parker is tied with murray and lappy for having the lowest VORP on the team at -0.1.

patty is tied for the second highest at 0.5.

[Sean Cagney]

parker is tied with murray and lappy for having the lowest VORP on the team at -0.1.

patty is tied for the second highest at 0.5.
Yes, how did the Spurs and Patty do when he was starting though?

[gambit1990]

Yes, how did the Spurs and Patty do when he was starting though?
patty started for the spurs four times this season. three of those times green wasn't even playing.

spurs didn't miss parker, they missed green. now we're missing dedmon.

[TheGreatYacht]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/04/article-2213087-155A4FAB000005DC-675_634x484.jpg

[$pursDynasty]

Gambit looking for stats to back his argument, while denying what is obvious to anyone paying attention. Wondering if he is a Barry undercover

[$pursDynasty]

Tony only +2, while ignoring that he scored 20 points

[gambit1990]

parker fans :lol

he shot great tonight... had 3 assists and 3 turnovers tonight too.

you think he's gonna shoot like that in the playoffs? :lol

parker fans fail to realize that playoff defense will be better and tony parker's defense won't.

[Sean Cagney]

patty started for the spurs four times this season. three of those times green wasn't even playing.

spurs didn't miss parker, they missed green. now we're missing dedmon.

Patty is still not a starting PG In the NBA, he is a back up SG in a PG body. I am not saying though in 2016 that Parker is a great or elite guard, do not get me wrong there.

[Chinook]

Parker is not a lock-down defender, but he's a very good game-plan defender. As long as he's not individually targeted, he's fine. For the most part, it wouldn't be wise for other teams to change their offense to go after Tony. But sure, let GS post up Thompson all day long.

[gambit1990]

Patty is still not a starting PG In the NBA, he is a back up SG in a PG body.
i start patty over parker. allocate the money the spurs are paying parker elsewhere.


Parker is not a lock-down defender, but he's a very good game-plan defender. As long as he's not individually targeted, he's fine. For the most part, it wouldn't be wise for other teams to change their offense to go after Tony. But sure, let GS post up Thompson all day long.
the spurs can try to hide parker on defense. he will be exposed.

teams don't need to individually target him, they just need to know he's on the court.

he cannot keep up with his man. it was evident in the olympics.

[Sean Cagney]

i start patty over parker. allocate the money the spurs are paying parker elsewhere.


.Who is going to give you anything for Parker at this point in time though? The Spurs probably won't trade him anytime soon either tbh. Starting Patty at PG though is not the solution so they would definitely have to pay someone else to play the PG or spend elsewhere like you said and hope Murray grows up in a hurry.

[gambit1990]

the spurs can try to hide parker on defense. he will be exposed.

teams don't need to individually target him, they just need to know he's on the court.

he cannot keep up with his man. it was evident in the olympics.



parker played 29 minutes tonight for some reason.

0/6, 3 assists, 4 turnovers... getting a raise next year.

[gambit1990]

Who is going to give you anything for Parker at this point in time though?
i'm hoping the wall/beal beef or whatever heats up again. john wall gets a change of enviroment, wizards get a championship proven whatever.

[Sean Cagney]

i'm hoping the wall/beal beef or whatever heats up again. john wall gets a change of enviroment, wizards get a championship proven whatever.

I wish..... They are not that dumb though and could get a lot more than Tony.

[gambit1990]

0 for 6, 2 assists in 25 minutes :lol
tp has gone 0 for 6 TWICE in 13 games... has had 3 assists or less 5 outta those 13 games too.

[DAF86]

We litterally don't win tonight if Tony doesn't get injured. Not even trolling, tbh.

[DPG21920]

We litterally don't win tonight if Tony doesn't get injured. Not even trolling, tbh.

This is so dumb. Really dumb. The game was nearly lost in the 2Q where Mills & Manu stunk it up. Starters had to try and regain their composure and things just spiraled out of control. Spurs made a run with TP in before he got hurt too, the lead had been cut down some.

[TheGreatYacht]

Oh yea, that 0-8 shooting performance from the Australian Eric Snow really helped.

Argietards reaching per par

[DAF86]

This is so dumb. Really dumb. The game was nearly lost in the 2Q where Mills & Manu stunk it up. Starters had to try and regain their composure and things just spiraled out of control. Spurs made a run with TP in before he got hurt too, the lead had been cut down some.

Do you really think we win this game tonight without Lapro unexpectedly coming in on the 3rd quarter and providing the spark? I seriously don't. We probably get blown out by 20 the way the game was going.

[Seventyniner]

Do you really think we win this game tonight without Lapro unexpectedly coming in on the 3rd quarter and providing the spark?

I do. The only thing Lapro does better than Tony is shoot the 3, and even that is only a small edge. Dedmon and Kawhi still would have beasted if Tony was healthy imo.

[DAF86]

I do. The only thing Lapro does better than Tony is shoot the 3, and even that is only a small edge. Dedmon and Kawhi still would have beasted if Tony was healthy imo.

I'm not saying Lapro is better than Tony. He isn't. But tonight he was, he was our best PG tonight by far. And without his change of pace on the third I honestly think we wouldn't have pulled it off.

[gambit1990]

We litterally don't win tonight if Tony doesn't get injured. Not even trolling, tbh.

[$pursDynasty]

MVParker is the best PG on the roster, period. Get over it, Peppermint going 0-8 tonight did nothing to change my mind.

[Seventyniner]

I'm not saying Lapro is better than Tony. He isn't. But tonight he was, he was our best PG tonight by far. And without his change of pace on the third I honestly think we wouldn't have pulled it off.

Fair enough.

[DAF86]

Defensive fucks not even conceeding we probably don't win tonight without the change of pace our unexpected 3rd quarter lineup lead by Lapro provided. They are so ass deep in defending the HoTS that they don't realize I'm not even saying Parker should get subbed. :lol

[gambit1990]

The only thing Lapro does better than Tony is shoot the 3
nico is a natural passer. racked up 5 assists in 8 minutes, took parker 18.



Dedmon and Kawhi still would have beasted if Tony was healthy imo.
spurs were down by 9 when parker went out.

then with parker out the spurs tightened down defensively and outscored the bucks.

[RD2191]

Tbh Parker is the best PG on the team. (Unfortunately)

[SAGirl]

Defensive fucks not even conceeding we probably don't win tonight without the change of pace our unexpected 3rd quarter lineup lead by Lapro provided. They are so ass deep in defending the HoTS that they don't realize I'm not even saying Parker should get subbed. :lol
What I liked about Lapro in this game is that he really was able to set Dedmon for easy shots at the rim. I am not sure I see from Tony the lobs I saw Lapro set up. And before then it had all been jumpshots and guys were not making jumpshots, so going to the rim was needed. Nico is a talented passer.

[bklynspursfan]

nico is a natural passer. racked up 5 assists in 8 minutes, took parker 18.



spurs were down by 9 when parker went out.

then with parker out the spurs tightened down defensively and outscored the bucks.

Spurs were neck and neck after the first with tp. He had 4 assists in what 7-8 mins? What happened in the 2nd?

[bklynspursfan]

I think the poll speaks for itself

[DAF86]

I think the poll speaks for itself

The poll is old. I voted "no" at that time but now I'm on the fence. Sometimes I think "yes", other times I think "no way". With the players we have on the roster Tony is probably a must, but to me there's no doubt that the PG position is the one that needs to be upgraded the most for the Spurs to significantly improve their chances in the near future (and by near future I mean it should have already been done this past offseason).

[gambit1990]

Spurs were neck and neck after the first with tp. He had 4 assists in what 7-8 mins? What happened in the 2nd?
parker left the game in the 3rd.

so in 18 minutes he shot 37.5% on 8 shots. had 5 assists, 2 turnovers. not worth what we're paying him this year or the next.

spurs were down by 9 when parker left. spurs looked much better without him. i'm not surprised.

somehow the people who still believe in tony never take his "defense" into account.

[TheGreatYacht]

^ pity bumping :lol

[gambit1990]

^ pity bumping :lol
i was replying to someone who quoted me and asked me a question.

[gambit1990]

tony parker currently has a -0.3 VORP :lmao worst on the team :wow

even murray, forbes, and nico have a -0.1.

[gambit1990]

tony is only ahead of murray, forbes, and nico when it comes to:
-defensive win shares
-win shares
-win shares per 48
-defensive box +/-
-box +/-

[bklynspursfan]

parker left the game in the 3rd.

so in 18 minutes he shot 37.5% on 8 shots. had 5 assists, 2 turnovers. not worth what we're paying him this year or the next.

spurs were down by 9 when parker left. spurs looked much better without him. i'm not surprised.

somehow the people who still believe in tony never take his "defense" into account.

I know he left in the 3rd, but in the 2nd is when we lost control.

Either way, I know his defense is not great. We don't really have a defensive PG on our team anyway since Cojo left.

[SAGirl]

tony is only ahead of murray, forbes, and nico when it comes to:
-defensive win shares
-win shares
-win shares per 48
-defensive box +/-
-box +/-
It's a shame bc if he had to earn his role, one would say he doesn't deserve it.
He's basically the worst player in the rotation and even guys outside of the rotation like Davis and Kyle, whose playing time is inconsistent, have been at least helpful to the team when they have played.

[gambit1990]

It's a shame bc if he had to earn his role, one would say he doesn't deserve it.
:toast

[TheGreatYacht]

^ pity bumping :lol

[gambit1990]

^ pity bumping :lol
i was replying to someone who quoted me.

since you're big on +/- all of a sudden, wanna explain why tony is:


for the season, excluding tonight's game, tony has:
-the 9th best OBPM on the spurs (-1.5)
-the 13th best DBPM on the spurs (-2.6)
-the 12th best BPM on the spurs (-4.1)

[dabom]

:lol

[SASdynasty!]

To answer the OP, never have been, never will be.

[gambit1990]

To answer the OP, never have been, never will be.
spurs really needed parker's 1 for 8 shooting tonight :lmao

[gambit1990]

getting tony's contract off the books was my idea when y'all thought he was still an all star level player :lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Porker is now the third-best point guard on his own team. MVPatty and MurrayVP >>>>>>> Porker.

[gambit1990]

:lol Porker is now the third-best point guard on his own team. MVPatty and MurrayVP >>>>>>> Porker.
i'll take laprovittola over parker too.

[Clipper Nation]

i'll take laprovittola over parker too.

Forgot about Lapro, tbh.

:lol Porker
:lol Fourth-best PG on his own team
:lol The rear end of the snake

[gambit1990]

It seems like the Spurs have problem...

810965820146913280
:lmao:lmao:lmao

[gambit1990]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/04/article-2213087-155A4FAB000005DC-675_634x484.jpg
parker shot 1 for 8 tonight and is averaging 2.75 assists over the past four games :lol

[SASdynasty!]

parker shot 1 for 8 tonight and is averaging 2.75 assists over the past four games :lol
If he keeps getting that few assists for the next 20 games, he might not lead the team anymore.

[SASdynasty!]

:lmao:lmao:lmao
Lol at this chart. It has a 43% shooter who averages 6 turnovers a game as a great offensive player? Lol.

[gambit1990]

If he keeps getting that few assists for the next 20 games, he might not lead the team anymore.
i'm hoping he doesn't play one more game for spurs.