Lebron salty about Kawhi just like Durant was

[itzsoweezee]

Indirectly calling Leonard a system player:

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Convincing-LeBron-if-there-is-a-third-Finals-6760735.php?t=fd49518bf1927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium

...

when asked if Leonard ever changes how he defends him, James shrugged.

"No, no, never changes," James said, and then he swerved away from Leonard.

"Their defense did a good job keeping me off balance," James said. "What also doesn't change is Tim Duncan behind him, as well. When you have a system like that …"

All valid points. The Spurs have long relied on a smart defensive system that adjusts on the fly, and Duncan has been the anchor of it. Still, doesn't Leonard have something to do with James' below-average stats against the Spurs?

James continued to explain all of the advantages that Leonard has: "Also, he's never left alone. There's nobody in our league that's left alone. He also has a great supporting cast behind him, that's talking to him, letting him know what is going on behind him. Even if I'm able to get around him, I know Timmy D is protecting the rim."

....

[lefty]

to be fair, it's easier to defend when you know a big man can bail you out


Not taking anything away from MVPKiwi but Lebron has a valid point


Obviously, human turnstile Porker always counst on Timmy to bail him out

[BillMc]

Reminds me of all the people who hated Bruce Bowen. In a way, it's a sign of a good defender getting into their head. Kawhi just doing his job!:toast

[loveforthegame]

688020756886872064

[itzsoweezee]

to be fair, it's easier to defend when you know a big man can bail you out




It doesn't jibe with what I saw yesterday, though. Duncan wasnt bailing Kawhi out. In the few instances when James actually got by Leonard, it was Leonard contesting at the rim coming from behind, not Duncan for the most part.

[peacemaker885]

Kawhi is the system and the system is Kawhi. Spurs are one unit, one system.

[lilbthebasedgod]

He's absolutely right. Leonard covered him really closely and relied on Tim to help when lebron beat him. Tim played excellent defense all night.

[lefty]

It doesn't jibe with what I saw yesterday, though. Duncan wasnt bailing Kawhi out. In the few instances when James actually got by Leonard, it was Leonard contesting at the rim coming from behind, not Duncan for the most part.
Damn Kiwi is awesome

:lol Parker'S defense

[Hoops Czar]

Indirectly calling Leonard a system player:

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Convincing-LeBron-if-there-is-a-third-Finals-6760735.php?t=fd49518bf1927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium

...

when asked if Leonard ever changes how he defends him, James shrugged.

"No, no, never changes," James said, and then he swerved away from Leonard.

"Their defense did a good job keeping me off balance," James said. "What also doesn't change is Tim Duncan behind him, as well. When you have a system like that …"

All valid points. The Spurs have long relied on a smart defensive system that adjusts on the fly, and Duncan has been the anchor of it. Still, doesn't Leonard have something to do with James' below-average stats against the Spurs?

James continued to explain all of the advantages that Leonard has: "Also, he's never left alone. There's nobody in our league that's left alone. He also has a great supporting cast behind him, that's talking to him, letting him know what is going on behind him. Even if I'm able to get around him, I know Timmy D is protecting the rim."

....

That's not what he said at all.

[thiste]

I posted the link to the video on the Interviews thread. Here it is:

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/video/teams/cavaliers/2016/01/15/1452834596807-160114-LBJ-PostGM.mov-231371

[loveforthegame]

So we could have sat Leonard and plugged in Anderson, Green, Butler, or Simmons and the system would have taken care of Lebron. Maybe Pop should try this strategy more often.

[Rain Man]

Mountains out of molehills

[bic50]

So we could have sat Leonard and plugged in Anderson, Green, Butler, or Simmons and the system would have taken care of Lebron. Maybe Pop should try this strategy more often.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

to be fair, it's easier to defend when you know a big man can bail you out


Not taking anything away from MVPKiwi but Lebron has a valid point


Obviously, human turnstile Porker always counst on Timmy to bail him out


I'm nervous to ever see this team without 21 anchoring the paint.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Reminds me of all the people who hated Bruce Bowen. In a way, it's a sign of a good defender getting into their head. Kawhi just doing his job!:toast

Exactly.

[TampaDude]

I'm nervous to ever see this team without 21 anchoring the paint.

WERD...Timmy is in his 18th season and turns 40 in April, and he is still an elite defensive player...even at his age, there are few that protect the rim as well as he does. What he has lost in quickness, he more than makes up for with savvy. :hat

I'm really gonna miss him when he finally retires. GUARANTEED first-ballot HOF. :toast

[random21]

I guess that's why they ran screen after screen to get Kawhi away from The Queen. Lebron consistently can't score over Kawhi. Lebrons only offensive skill is charging into the lane and making layups

[Horse]

The worlds biggest crybaby can say what he wants but I don't see him huffing and puffing in the 4th against other teams or asking to come out for a breather. Not many players have the guts to pick LeBron up fullcourt and harass him the whole way down.

[coachmac87]

Spurs fans being salty...not LeBron lol. It's obvious and EVERYONE can see it. We all saw it 2 years ago...LeBron doesn't have to say anything tbh

[dabom]

Some people are not giving Kawhi enough credit. Any other perimeter defender with Tim Duncan behind and Lebron goes to work easy.

[TheDoctor]

688020756886872064

Casual fans say Spurs got no media love but Tom Haberstroh has seriously been carrying the Spurs flag all over ESPN for some time now.

[steeledl]

He didn't say kawhi was a great player because he is a competitive person..... Why would he? Everything he said was factual. Don't see anything wrong with him not sucking kawhi off..... He knows he's a great defender but it isn't in his interest to say so.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Indirectly calling Leonard a system player:

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Convincing-LeBron-if-there-is-a-third-Finals-6760735.php?t=fd49518bf1927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium

...

when asked if Leonard ever changes how he defends him, James shrugged.

"No, no, never changes," James said, and then he swerved away from Leonard.

"Their defense did a good job keeping me off balance," James said. "What also doesn't change is Tim Duncan behind him, as well. When you have a system like that …"

All valid points. The Spurs have long relied on a smart defensive system that adjusts on the fly, and Duncan has been the anchor of it. Still, doesn't Leonard have something to do with James' below-average stats against the Spurs?

James continued to explain all of the advantages that Leonard has: "Also, he's never left alone. There's nobody in our league that's left alone. He also has a great supporting cast behind him, that's talking to him, letting him know what is going on behind him. Even if I'm able to get around him, I know Timmy D is protecting the rim."

....
Well if the Spurs are no different from any other team why does he do so much worse against them?

[hater]

at least James tries. Kylie and Love are pathetic defenders :lol

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56991bfbc08a80d7118b9d74-800-442/cavs%20defense.jpg

[dabom]

Kawhi is the other physical specimen in the NBA besides lebron.

NBA f:lolucked

[wingster]

Salty, but not dismissing him like Durant. LBJ just seems like he doesn't want to spend too much time praising an opponent.

[dabom]

Even last year Lebron had to bench himself many times in SA because Kawhi is a fucking beast on defense. :lmao

[Vokun]

Then why do you wince everytime he is about to check in LeBron?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlMEC_HAzU

[SayTown]

Also when asked about Kawhi's improved offensive game he said that it's because Kawhi is getting more opportunities now and any player that gets more opportunities will improve.

[tonight...you]

Also when asked about Kawhi's improved offensive game he said that it's because Kawhi is getting more opportunities now and any player that gets more opportunities will improve.
Kawhi is straight up Lebron's nemesis.

[Mnky]

Kawhi gets plenty of help. You don't have the no.1 defense because of one player. Just doesn't happen. They all play their part. Kawhi is the best one on one defender in the league, but he also has probably the most intelligent help defense on his side too.

[Rain Man]

New age spur fan salty enough without begging to drink LeBron's tears

You're giving me a semi talking like that. I can't believe there are more Spur fans on here watching games with eyes wide open.

[Obstructed_View]

Kawhi's got plenty of help. It's a team sport. No individual defends Lebron the way Kawhi does, and Lebron knows it. Don't expect him to be happy about it. Nobody likes getting shut down. You guys know this from the years Bruce Bowen was doing it.

[Rain Man]

Kawhi gets plenty of help. You don't have the no.1 defense because of one player. Just doesn't happen. They all play their part. Kawhi is the best one on one defender in the league, but he also has probably the most intelligent help defense on his side too.

The don't want to hear that. They want to hear that Kawhi does it all by himself. That's what happens when you only watch highlights in between going to the fridge to grab a 2 liter of Dr. Thunder and then the pantry for a box of Hill Country Fare Choco creme cookies.

[dabom]

No is saying Kawhi does it by himself. Who is saying that?

[Rain Man]

No is saying Kawhi does it by himself. Who is saying that?

TBF there is a lot of truth in THIS thread. Typical Spurfan buys the 2nd coming of the glove hype. The DPOY trophy should go to 1a and 1b Tim and then Kawhi

[itzsoweezee]

The don't want to hear that. They want to hear that Kawhi does it all by himself. That's what happens when you only watch highlights in between going to the fridge to grab a 2 liter of Dr. Thunder and then the pantry for a box of Hill Country Fare Choco creme cookies.

Nice strawman

[wildbill2u]

The Spurs have a premier defender in Kwahi and a supporting cast in a defensive system that really makes it difficult for him to bully his way into layups like he does against so many teams. Finally, we have the depth that allows us to run on offense and wear that big boy out. By the 4th quarter, he's really sweating and looks gassed and starts to shoot jumpers that fall short.

And remember what he said about the Spurs offense when we beat the Heat for the championship. We move the ball so much with passes that the defense has to move their bodies to adjust and they get tired.

[itzsoweezee]

TBF there is a lot of truth in THIS thread. Typical Spurfan buys the 2nd coming of the glove hype. The DPOY trophy should go to 1a and 1b Tim and then Kawhi

So just a coincidence that the defense is so much better with Kawhi on the team? Tim's presence had been a constant with good and mediocre defense versions of the spurs. But he's still awesome (I'm no player fan like you appear to be).

[Obstructed_View]

The don't want to hear that. They want to hear that Kawhi does it all by himself. That's what happens when you only watch highlights in between going to the fridge to grab a 2 liter of Dr. Thunder and then the pantry for a box of Hill Country Fare Choco creme cookies.
I think many of them are taking issue with Lebron's claim that the reason he's shut down is because Duncan's back there, which is utter and complete bullshit, as we all know.

[Obstructed_View]

TBF there is a lot of truth in THIS thread. Typical Spurfan buys the 2nd coming of the glove hype. The DPOY trophy should go to 1a and 1b Tim and then Kawhi

That's just fucking stupid. Just because the Spurs play great team defense doesn't mean Kawhi isn't far-and-away the best defender in the league. When a guy barely averaging 20 points per game is constantly in the conversation for best player in the world, it's not because of his pretty cornrows.

[100%duncan]

Kawhi is in Bron's head tbh you could tell when he aaid cmon to kawhi as if issuing a challenge when they entered in the 4th. Its good drama tho kawhi never does his part :lol

[Rain Man]

So just a coincidence that the defense is so much better with Kawhi on the team? Tim's presence had been a constant with good and mediocre defense versions of the spurs. But he's still awesome (I'm no player fan like you appear to be).

Who am I a player fan of? I am not saying that you can plug in Bonner and get the same results. I will say that with Tim on the floor, Bonner will look better on D. You take a good defensive player and add Tim and all of a sudden that player's defense is enhanced.

Let me explain it so that it makes more sense to you. A hotdog by itself is good. A hotdog smothered in ketchup is better.

[313]

Also when asked about Kawhi's improved offensive game he said that it's because Kawhi is getting more opportunities now and any player that gets more opportunities will improve.
classy. Don't see anything wrong with what he said.

[Rain Man]

That's just fucking stupid. Just because the Spurs play great team defense doesn't mean Kawhi isn't far-and-away the best defender in the league. When a guy barely averaging 20 points per game is constantly in the conversation for best player in the world, it's not because of his pretty cornrows.

Did you watch the game? One on one, Lebron blew past Kawhi. It happened plenty of times last night.

[Rain Man]

classy. Don't see anything wrong with what he said.

Exactly. It's like telling Spurfan that he added another notch on his belt because he added another patty to his triple meat Whataburger to make is a quad. Of course he is getting fatter.

[313]

Exactly. It's like telling Spurfan that he added another notch on his belt because he added another patty to his triple meat Whataburger to make is a quad. Of course he is getting fatter.I feel like some SF secretly wish San Antonio was a large market so their stars would get broadcasted on ESPN 24/7 like Kobe tbh


Did you watch the game? One on one, Lebron blew past Kawhi. It happened plenty of times last night.
Kawhi is a great defender, best in the league even, but he's not perfect. His average lateral quickness is one of his few flaws as a defender. Thankfully, his length and quick instincts make up for it a bit. Spur fans who pretend Kawhi is perfect are player fans.

[dabom]

That's just fucking stupid. Just because the Spurs play great team defense doesn't mean Kawhi isn't far-and-away the best defender in the league. When a guy barely averaging 20 points per game is constantly in the conversation for best player in the world, it's not because of his pretty cornrows.

This tbh.

[John_C]

So if we put in Anderson on Bron, Spurs system will still shut him down? Horseshit. We were not able to shut down Kobe even though Bowen was one of the most tenacious defenders out there. Use our system right now and put in someone else on Bron, and he'll probably score on him most of the time.

A chain will only be as strong as its weakest link!

[james evans]

I'm gettign tired of guys attacking Leonard. He has never said anything bad about anyone in the media and just ignores it. If Leonard is not a factor at defending Lebron, then WHY DOES HE REQUEST SCREENS SO MUCH TO GET LEONARD OFF OF HIM? Surely a "system defensive player" is someone he can dominate without needing screens right? He wasn't requesting screens for Tashaun Prince when he was tearing his asshole open in teh 2007 ECF game 5. One point during the game last night, Lebron wouldn't even consider trying to score if a screen wasn't coming to get leonard off of him so these guys need to shut the fuck up.

[dabom]

I'm gettign tired of guys attacking Leonard. He has never said anything bad about anyone in the media and just ignores it. If Leonard is not a factor at defending Lebron, then WHY DOES HE REQUEST SCREENS SO MUCH TO GET LEONARD OFF OF HIM? Surely a "system defensive player" is someone he can dominate without needing screens right? He wasn't requesting screens for Tashaun Prince when he was tearing his asshole open in teh 2007 ECF game 5. One point during the game last night, Lebron wouldn't even consider trying to score if a screen wasn't coming to get leonard off of him so these guys need to shut the fuck up.

Yeah. James needs screens. Kawhi needs someone to show out. One on one Kawhi would kill Lebron most of the time.

[Rain Man]

I'm gettign tired of guys attacking Leonard. He has never said anything bad about anyone in the media and just ignores it. If Leonard is not a factor at defending Lebron, then WHY DOES HE REQUEST SCREENS SO MUCH TO GET LEONARD OFF OF HIM? Surely a "system defensive player" is someone he can dominate without needing screens right? He wasn't requesting screens for Tashaun Prince when he was tearing his asshole open in teh 2007 ECF game 5. One point during the game last night, Lebron wouldn't even consider trying to score if a screen wasn't coming to get leonard off of him so these guys need to shut the fuck up.

[Raven]

It doesn't jibe with what I saw yesterday, though. Duncan wasnt bailing Kawhi out. In the few instances when James actually got by Leonard, it was Leonard contesting at the rim coming from behind, not Duncan for the most part.

you weren't watching then. For the most part Kawhi was forcing lebron to pick one side, where Duncan would come and contest. Which is good D, but what would happen if we had David Lee there...

[YGWHI]

classy. Don't see anything wrong with what he said.

If someone would have given young Tony Allen more opportunities, he would become into Kobe....

It's too hard for some players admit Kawhi has the talent, the desire, and the ability to improve.

“Everybody doesn't improve," Popovich said before a recent Spurs' game in Minnesota. "You know, some guys can't learn and there's a lot of guys that have been talented that haven't made it in the league or made it for just a short time because they couldn't go to the next step or continue to get better."
"But he has a great capacity to absorb things and he works hard. He comes early to practice; he stays after. Our development guys work with him constantly and he wears them out. He really wants to be good and he's got some talents to work with, so that's a good combination.”


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24521132/playoff-assist-kawhi-leonards-improvement-spurs-san-antonio

[YGWHI]

Spur fans who pretend Kawhi is perfect are player fans.

He's not perfect for sure, but that guy saying "it happened PLENTY of times last night" is...

[Raven]

TBF there is a lot of truth in THIS thread. Typical Spurfan buys the 2nd coming of the glove hype. The DPOY trophy should go to 1a and 1b Tim and then Kawhi

Not really tbh. If you are going to count that against him, than you have to account for players taking the whole possession just to screen kawhi out of the ballhandler. Barely anyone tries to face Kawhi in one on one isolation, and for good reason, they just end up looking stupid and overmatched. Everyone.

[313]

If someone would have given young Tony Allen more opportunities, he would become into Kobe....

It's too hard for some players admit Kawhi has the talent, the desire, and the ability to improve.

“Everybody doesn't improve," Popovich said before a recent Spurs' game in Minnesota. "You know, some guys can't learn and there's a lot of guys that have been talented that haven't made it in the league or made it for just a short time because they couldn't go to the next step or continue to get better."
"But he has a great capacity to absorb things and he works hard. He comes early to practice; he stays after. Our development guys work with him constantly and he wears them out. He really wants to be good and he's got some talents to work with, so that's a good combination.”


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24521132/playoff-assist-kawhi-leonards-improvement-spurs-san-antonio
He's obviously referring to guys who have the ability to get better but don't have the same opportunity as other guys (like Paul George or Butler). I don't think he meant anything by it.

[YGWHI]

Not really tbh. If you are going to count that against him, than you have to account for players taking the whole possession just to screen kawhi out of the ballhandler. Barely anyone tries to face Kawhi in one on one isolation, and for good reason, they just end up looking stupid and overmatched. Everyone.

For a good reason LeBron's Usg vs Kawhi is just 10%

[313]

He's not perfect for sure, but that guy saying "it happened PLENTY of times last night" is...
I missed the game tbh so I can't speak on it

[Rain Man]

Not really tbh. If you are going to count that against him, than you have to account for players taking the whole possession just to screen kawhi out of the ballhandler. Barely anyone tries to face Kawhi in one on one isolation, and for good reason, they just end up looking stupid and overmatched. Everyone.

Did you even watch the game?

[Raven]

Did you even watch the game?
yes, thank you.

[Rain Man]

yes, thank you.

Then you saw Lebron breeze past him on one on one situations.

[Raven]

Then you saw Lebron breeze past him on one on one situations.

how come he couldn't score against him then?

[Rain Man]

He's not perfect for sure, but that guy saying "it happened PLENTY of times last night" is...

It didn't? I'm wrong? Because I have the game DVRd and will go back to check to see if I am wrong.

[YGWHI]

Kawhi is the best one on one defender in the league, but he also has probably the most intelligent help defense on his side too.

Funny that Kawhi's also one of the best help defenders in the league...that deadly combo makes him so great.

People here don't like PtR but I find this article very interesting.
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/1/8/10719332/kawhi-leonard-provides-help-defense-like-an-elite-big-man

[Rain Man]

how come he couldn't score against him then?

Are you talking about when he was helped out? I watched the game and I don't think that Lebron had zero points. I'll check the stats to see if he did. I thought he had 22 points. Who completely smashed Kawhi then since he only had less than half as many points? Because if Lebron was stopped then Kawhi must have been obliterated.

[YGWHI]

It didn't? I'm wrong? Because I have the game DVRd and will go back to check to see if I am wrong.

Re-watch it.

[Rain Man]

Re-watch it.

I guess I'll have to. Maybe I am getting old becuase I thought I saw Lebron casually stroll through everyone to dunk the ball. Another time I thought I saw him head to the base line while Kawhi just froze almost going in the opposite direction.

[Raven]

Are you talking about when he was helped out? I watched the game and I don't think that Lebron had zero points. I'll check the stats to see if he did. I thought he had 22 points. Who completely smashed Kawhi then since he only had less than half as many points? Because if Lebron was stopped then Kawhi must have been obliterated.

pretty sure you need to rewatch the game.

[Rain Man]

pretty sure you need to rewatch the game.

I guess I will and I'll jot down the quarter and time in order to jog my memory.

[YGWHI]

I guess I'll have to. Maybe I am getting old becuase I thought I saw Lebron casually stroll through everyone to dunk the ball. Another time I thought I saw him head to the base line while Kawhi just froze almost going in the opposite direction.

It's clear we didn't watch the same game. Also, like I've said before, LeBron USG% against Kawhi shows there weren't many of those situations.

Just out of curiosity, plenty of times mean just...2?

[Rain Man]

It's clear we didn't watch the same game. Also, like I've said before, LeBron USG% against Kawhi shows there weren't many of those situations.

Just out of curiosity, plenty of times mean just...2?

Oh, was I already supposed to have my notes? I didn't realize this was a written exam and I needed to provide every occurrence instead of a couple of examples.

[letmk]

So just a coincidence that the defense is so much better with Kawhi on the team? Tim's presence had been a constant with good and mediocre defense versions of the spurs. But he's still awesome (I'm no player fan like you appear to be).

Kawhi's defense RPM is 4.29, which is among the best; but TD's is 6.17, the best in NBA. No statistics is perfece, but this DRPM is a very good indicator of how much a team relies one player for their defense. That TD & Kawhi are 1A and 1B for the Spur's best defense is a fair assessment. That Tim had been playing in (relatively) bad defense teams does not mean he is not valuable for the Spurs. The same thing for Kawhi, because TD is always there behind him. Since Kawhi's rookie year, TD has actually played MORE games than him.

[DenialTwist]

Casual fans say Spurs got no media love but Tom Haberstroh has seriously been carrying the Spurs flag all over ESPN for some time now.

Yes, he has which has been nice to hear. Well, someone has to with Amin and Ethan always caping for the warriors and being sarcastic about their disdain for the spurs.

[dabom]

Kawhi's defense RPM is 4.29, which is among the best; but TD's is 6.17, the best in NBA. No statistics is perfece, but this DRPM is a very good indicator of how much a team relies one player for their defense. That TD & Kawhi are 1A and 1B for the Spur's best defense is a fair assessment. That Tim had been playing in (relatively) bad defense teams does not mean he is not valuable for the Spurs. The same thing for Kawhi, because TD is always there behind him. Since Kawhi's rookie year, TD has actually played MORE games than him.

You also have to look at total raw stats.



Defensive Win Shares


1.
Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html) ▪ SAS
3.4


2.
Andre Drummond (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drumman01.html) ▪ DET
3.1


3.
Hassan Whiteside (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whiteha01.html) ▪ MIA
2.7


4.
Paul George (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01.html) ▪ IND
2.6


5.
DeAndre Jordan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordade01.html) ▪ LAC
2.5


6.
Draymond Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html) ▪ GSW
2.5


7.
Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) ▪ SAS
2.4


8.
LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html) ▪ SAS
2.4




Kawhi wins this hands down.

[dabom]

I always use raw production and advance stats to rate a player.

[YGWHI]

Oh, was I already supposed to have my notes? I didn't realize this was a written exam and I needed to provide every occurrence instead of a couple of examples.

Well, if someone says "plenty" of times should be able to describe at least 6-7 of those situations, not just 2.

Take notes the next game, that will enable you to review the information later on. :tu

[Obstructed_View]

Did you watch the game? One on one, Lebron blew past Kawhi. It happened plenty of times last night.

Again, not sure how that is an argument against Kawhi being the best defender in the league, even if it were true. What is true is that Lebron's attempts drop massively when Kawhi is covering him. Lebron is the best player in the world, and I don't think anyone's expecting him to be shut down.

You're a rotten troll. I assume you're a rotten regular poster as well.

[Obstructed_View]

Oh, was I already supposed to have my notes? I didn't realize this was a written exam and I needed to provide every occurrence instead of a couple of examples.

Actually if you're going to challenge people's memory of the game saying something retarded like "plenty of times" and you can't actually recite back any...

I can think of three times that Lebron got to the hoop with Kawhi in the game. One ended in Lebron throwing the ball up and hitting the underside of the basket, resulting in a foul call. Another ended with Kawhi blocking the shot off the glass. I don't think any of them were one on one and all came off screens.

But I recorded the game. I'm happy to go back and find all the one on one matchups between them and list them.

[Obstructed_View]

I guess I'll have to. Maybe I am getting old becuase I thought I saw Lebron casually stroll through everyone to dunk the ball. Another time I thought I saw him head to the base line while Kawhi just froze almost going in the opposite direction.

I remember Lebron having one dunk that was off a post up against Manu. Is that what you're thinking of?

[loveforthegame]

Pop should rest Leonard against GS next week. Tim and the system will be more than ok.

Maybe the Spurs could even luck out and trade Leonard. Any old player will look good in the Spurs system.

[Ice009]

Scottie Pippen actually said something similar back in the day about Bruce Bowen having Tim Duncan behind him and implied that is why he was able to be the defender he was. Pippen said he'd be the best defender too if he had Duncan behind him. I didn't like the comment at the time as he wasn't really giving Bruce his due, but deep down, I guess it does help a decent amount having someone like TD backing you up.

[YGWHI]

https://fat.gfycat.com/WillingBriskBullmastiff.webm

It seems a bad idea going iso against Kawhi, even if you're LeBron James.


Pop should rest Leonard against GS next week. Tim and the system will be more than ok.

Maybe the Spurs could even luck out and trade Leonard. Any old player will look good in the Spurs system.

Agree. We need trade this disgrace of defender who letf LeBron blew past him plenty of times...I'd would love to see Kawhi playing for the Rockets, Clippers, Thunder against our guards and small forwards...

[Kawhitstorm]

Scottie Pippen actually said something similar back in the day about Bruce Bowen having Tim Duncan behind him and implied that is why he was able to be the defender he was. Pippen said he'd be the best defender too if he had Duncan behind him. I didn't like the comment at the time as he wasn't really giving Bruce his due, but deep down, I guess it does help a decent amount having someone like TD backing you up.

The thing is that Kawhi NEVER leaves the floor for defensive purposes meanwhile Tim gets benched when teams are playing small-ball even during crunch time DURING the postseason (2013: Warriors/Heat).

[loveforthegame]

How come the years between Bowen and Leonard were so dismal? Any old player should have looked good. Finley, Jefferson, etc should have worked.

[ElNono]

Good to see some hate for non-Spurs players for a change... :tu

[DMC]

Lebron is giving credit to what he wishes he has. He's taking a subtle jab at his own team. Tim gets 4 dribbles in the paint and no one comes to help. No superstar will say someone else has their number. They will instead credit the team defense. Coaches do the same thing. It's nothing disrespectful.

[Spurtacular]

TBF, reporters were asking if KL was containing LBJ. Maybe, he was. Is he supposed to admit that? Of course, he's going to make it about a broader issued like team defense. This isn't the same as Durant calling KL a system player, imo.

[Spurtacular]

Scottie Pippen actually said something similar back in the day about Bruce Bowen having Tim Duncan behind him and implied that is why he was able to be the defender he was. Pippen said he'd be the best defender too if he had Duncan behind him. I didn't like the comment at the time as he wasn't really giving Bruce his due, but deep down, I guess it does help a decent amount having someone like TD backing you up.

The player still has to be pretty good, though. But yea, it helps.

[Cklbmk]

I'm nervous to ever see this team without 21 anchoring the paint.


It'll all be Boban.

[Obstructed_View]

Actually if you're going to challenge people's memory of the game saying something retarded like "plenty of times" and you can't actually recite back any...

I can think of three times that Lebron got to the hoop with Kawhi in the game. One ended in Lebron throwing the ball up and hitting the underside of the basket, resulting in a foul call. Another ended with Kawhi blocking the shot off the glass. I don't think any of them were one on one and all came off screens.

But I recorded the game. I'm happy to go back and find all the one on one matchups between them and list them.


So I just went back and watched the entire game.

Lebron went one on one four times in the game, not counting post ups. Two were against Duncan and one was against Aldridge. The two post ups were against Kawhi, with one airball and one non-shooting foul. Lebron probably scored between five and nine points in the entire game with Kawhi checking him, three of them on a jump shot that he took off the dribble because Kawhi hadn't set up yet. Lebron scored on a layup in a two man game with Kawhi fronting him, and Lebron scored another layup on an offensive rebound. Lebron got past Kawhi without a screen in the final minute of the game and drew two defenders and dished to Thompson for a dunk. Most of the game was pick and roll, with teammates throwing screens at him so frantically they were sometimes coming two at a time. Even with a lot of help, Lebron's offense was nearly nonexistent with Kawhi on him.

Lebron casually went through everyone to dunk the ball precisely zero times in the game. One on one, Lebron blew past Kawhi precisely one time in the game, down ten with less than a minute to go. Lebron got past Kawhi several times in pick and roll, and Kawhi's help picked Lebron up, just like Lebron's help set the pick on Leonard. On one of them, Kawhi recovered and blocked Lebron's shot, on another, Lebron got all the way to the basket and got a phantom foul call. Tough row to hoe with Kawhi checking you.

Dismissing Kawhi's defense saying "he had help" in pick and roll is beyond retarded, as pick and roll requires an offensive player to have help.

[Uriel]

OP is overanalyzing LeBron's quote, tbh.

[TheDoctor]

LeBron in your head b

[bic50]

Pop should rest Leonard against GS next week. Tim and the system will be more than ok.

Maybe the Spurs could even luck out and trade Leonard. Any old player will look good in the Spurs system.

[itzsoweezee]

Who am I a player fan of? I am not saying that you can plug in Bonner and get the same results. I will say that with Tim on the floor, Bonner will look better on D. You take a good defensive player and add Tim and all of a sudden that player's defense is enhanced.

Let me explain it so that it makes more sense to you. A hotdog by itself is good. A hotdog smothered in ketchup is better.

You don't know what you're talking about. Kawhi is the common denominator in each of the spurs best defensive lineups, not Duncan. Duncan doesn't even play 27 minutes per game.

[siraulo23]

Lebron probably heard barkley's comments tbh

[100%duncan]

So I just went back and watched the entire game.

Lebron went one on one four times in the game, not counting post ups. Two were against Duncan and one was against Aldridge. The two post ups were against Kawhi, with one airball and one non-shooting foul. Lebron probably scored between five and nine points in the entire game with Kawhi checking him, three of them on a jump shot that he took off the dribble because Kawhi hadn't set up yet. Lebron scored on a layup in a two man game with Kawhi fronting him, and Lebron scored another layup on an offensive rebound. Lebron got past Kawhi without a screen in the final minute of the game and drew two defenders and dished to Thompson for a dunk. Most of the game was pick and roll, with teammates throwing screens at him so frantically they were sometimes coming two at a time. Even with a lot of help, Lebron's offense was nearly nonexistent with Kawhi on him.

Lebron casually went through everyone to dunk the ball precisely zero times in the game. One on one, Lebron blew past Kawhi precisely one time in the game, down ten with less than a minute to go. Lebron got past Kawhi several times in pick and roll, and Kawhi's help picked Lebron up, just like Lebron's help set the pick on Leonard. On one of them, Kawhi recovered and blocked Lebron's shot, on another, Lebron got all the way to the basket and got a phantom foul call. Tough row to hoe with Kawhi checking you.

Dismissing Kawhi's defense saying "he had help" in pick and roll is beyond retarded, as pick and roll requires an offensive player to have help.
I hope you wore a condom.

[cutewizard]

i really dont get it why people idolize lebron

he is nothing .....

example, physically he is nothing compared to Chamberlain or Sabonis

mentally, Da Vinci and Jose Rizal of the Philippines say HI

spiritually, lets not even get into it.....its beyond the brains of lebron

so what is lebron??

here is the answer:

LEBRON JAMES IS ANOTHER DOG WHO SHALL BE FORGOTTEN IN A HUNDRED YEARS!

PERIOD. END OF STORY.

[loveforthegame]

So I just went back and watched the entire game.

Lebron went one on one four times in the game, not counting post ups. Two were against Duncan and one was against Aldridge. The two post ups were against Kawhi, with one airball and one non-shooting foul. Lebron probably scored between five and nine points in the entire game with Kawhi checking him, three of them on a jump shot that he took off the dribble because Kawhi hadn't set up yet. Lebron scored on a layup in a two man game with Kawhi fronting him, and Lebron scored another layup on an offensive rebound. Lebron got past Kawhi without a screen in the final minute of the game and drew two defenders and dished to Thompson for a dunk. Most of the game was pick and roll, with teammates throwing screens at him so frantically they were sometimes coming two at a time. Even with a lot of help, Lebron's offense was nearly nonexistent with Kawhi on him.

Lebron casually went through everyone to dunk the ball precisely zero times in the game. One on one, Lebron blew past Kawhi precisely one time in the game, down ten with less than a minute to go. Lebron got past Kawhi several times in pick and roll, and Kawhi's help picked Lebron up, just like Lebron's help set the pick on Leonard. On one of them, Kawhi recovered and blocked Lebron's shot, on another, Lebron got all the way to the basket and got a phantom foul call. Tough row to hoe with Kawhi checking you.

Dismissing Kawhi's defense saying "he had help" in pick and roll is beyond retarded, as pick and roll requires an offensive player to have help.

Thanks for going back and listing the plays. :tu

[Rain Man]

Pop should rest Leonard against GS next week. Tim and the system will be more than ok.

Maybe the Spurs could even luck out and trade Leonard. Any old player will look good in the Spurs system.


https://fat.gfycat.com/WillingBriskBullmastiff.webm

It seems a bad idea going iso against Kawhi, even if you're LeBron James.



Agree. We need trade this disgrace of defender who letf LeBron blew past him plenty of times...I'd would love to see Kawhi playing for the Rockets, Clippers, Thunder against our guards and small forwards...

Typical Spurfan overreaction. I never said he was a scrub. Just not the hero that you are making him out to be. Just because I'm not deepthroating his D like you guys doesn't mean that I don't think he's a decent player.

You saw what the Warriors did to the Cavs that the Spurs let come back, right?

[Obstructed_View]

Typical Spurfan overreaction. I never said he was a scrub. Just not the hero that you are making him out to be. Just because I'm not deepthroating his D like you guys doesn't mean that I don't think he's a decent player.

You saw what the Warriors did to the Cavs that the Spurs let come back, right?
You saw what the Spurs did to the Pistons that blew out the Warriors, right?

God damn, you're a fucking idiot. Do you make equally stupid posts with your normal account?

[Rain Man]

You saw what the Spurs did to the Pistons that blew out the Warriors, right?

God damn, you're a fucking idiot. Do you make equally stupid posts with your normal account?

You're kidding, right? You are calling me an idiot but you are comparing the Pissedons with the Cavs? Obviously they didn't prep for the Pissedons because they suck. They came locked and loaded for the Cavs though. An actual contender. Are you honestly that stupid? You really made that comparison?

[Obstructed_View]

You're kidding, right? You are calling me an idiot but you are comparing the Pissedons with the Cavs? Obviously they didn't prep for the Pissedons because they suck. They came locked and loaded for the Cavs though. An actual contender. Are you honestly that stupid? You really made that comparison?

:lol fail troll account

[Rain Man]

:lol fail troll account

fail troll because I corrected you? Makes tons of sense.

[lefty]

Lebron is not salty about Parker tbh

[YGWHI]

Just because I'm not deepthroating his D like you guys doesn't mean that I don't think he's a decent player

If "decent" means the best defender in the league and a top 5 player...

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http://www.sbnation.com/2016/1/14/10773658/kawhi-leonard-great-defense-cavaliers-lebron-james

[YGWHI]

So I just went back and watched the entire game.

Lebron went one on one four times in the game, not counting post ups. Two were against Duncan and one was against Aldridge. The two post ups were against Kawhi, with one airball and one non-shooting foul. Lebron probably scored between five and nine points in the entire game with Kawhi checking him, three of them on a jump shot that he took off the dribble because Kawhi hadn't set up yet. Lebron scored on a layup in a two man game with Kawhi fronting him, and Lebron scored another layup on an offensive rebound. Lebron got past Kawhi without a screen in the final minute of the game and drew two defenders and dished to Thompson for a dunk. Most of the game was pick and roll, with teammates throwing screens at him so frantically they were sometimes coming two at a time. Even with a lot of help, Lebron's offense was nearly nonexistent with Kawhi on him.

Lebron casually went through everyone to dunk the ball precisely zero times in the game. One on one, Lebron blew past Kawhi precisely one time in the game, down ten with less than a minute to go. Lebron got past Kawhi several times in pick and roll, and Kawhi's help picked Lebron up, just like Lebron's help set the pick on Leonard. On one of them, Kawhi recovered and blocked Lebron's shot, on another, Lebron got all the way to the basket and got a phantom foul call. Tough row to hoe with Kawhi checking you.

Dismissing Kawhi's defense saying "he had help" in pick and roll is beyond retarded, as pick and roll requires an offensive player to have help.

Great analysis of LeBron vs Kawhi duel. :toast Thanks!

[Obstructed_View]

fail troll because I corrected you? Makes tons of sense.

I'll be interested to see where you have said anything that's correct in your short trolling career. You cited common opponents for the Spurs as some reason to show that the Spurs aren't as good as the Warriors, and you got upset when I did the exact same with a different common opponent. Just like you said that Kawhi got blown by time after time even though it didn't happen.

You should just go back to your normal account. Unless you're Chumpdumper you couldn't possibly make a bigger ass of yourself. :lmao

[Rain Man]

If "decent" means the best defender in the league and a top 5 player...

689650284637777921

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/1/14/10773658/kawhi-leonard-great-defense-cavaliers-lebron-james

So now I have to follow whatever Angus says and can't have my own opinion. Alright that makes perfect sense. Please don't tell me that him being an All Star starter solidifies your opinion. I have more respect for the players chosen by the coaches. Not a bunch of morons voting Kobe in as a forward.

I like Kawhi, even though you might not believe it. I just don't see him going as far once Tim and Manu are gone. On top of that I can see with my eyes how great the Warriors are.

[Rain Man]

I'll be interested to see where you have said anything that's correct in your short trolling career. You cited common opponents for the Spurs as some reason to show that the Spurs aren't as good as the Warriors, and you got upset when I did the exact same with a different common opponent. Just like you said that Kawhi got blown by time after time even though it didn't happen.

You should just go back to your normal account. Unless you're Chumpdumper you couldn't possibly make a bigger ass of yourself. :lmao

You are borderline retarded. Just because I disagree with you doesnt mean that this is not my only account.

[YGWHI]

So now I have to follow whatever Angus says and can't have my own opinion.
:lol
Those % show how wrong are you and your "decent" defender.


I just don't see him going as far once Tim and Manu are gone
Another poor guy betting against Kawhi...

[Rain Man]

:lol
Those % show how wrong are you and your "decent" defender.


Another poor guy betting against Kawhi...

Only time can prove me wrong. Until then, we will have to wait and see.

[YGWHI]

Just a decent player...

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/paine-shooters-1.png?w=575&h=815

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/kawhi-leonard-is-the-most-well-rounded-elite-shooter-since-larry-bird/?sf19472376=1

[Sean Cagney]

TBF there is a lot of truth in THIS thread. Typical Spurfan buys the 2nd coming of the glove hype. The DPOY trophy should go to 1a and 1b Tim and then Kawhi

That is why the D was so great in 011 and going downhill before Kawhi arrived too correct? He has a big part to do with it stop downplaying it. Tim is a great defender yes and it helps a lot but Kawhi is a beast.

[Obstructed_View]

Only time can prove me wrong. Until then, we will have to wait and see.

Only time, along with facts and stats and replays and shit.

[rexrobinson]

http://i.imgur.com/5MJ23G5.jpg

[SupremeGuy]

I'll be interested to see where you have said anything that's correct in your short trolling career. You cited common opponents for the Spurs as some reason to show that the Spurs aren't as good as the Warriors, and you got upset when I did the exact same with a different common opponent. Just like you said that Kawhi got blown by time after time even though it didn't happen.

You should just go back to your normal account. Unless you're Chumpdumper you couldn't possibly make a bigger ass of yourself. :lmao:lol

[YGWHI]

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