Woj: Andre Miller Has Agreed to Sign with Spurs

[BatManu20]

Per Woj. Didn't see this coming.

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[NASpurs]

:lmao

[timtonymanu]

So the K-Mart talk was BS then. :lol

[dabom]

:lol


Fuck it. :claw

[timtonymanu]

LMA, Miller, Patty Mills. Bringing back the Blazers together.

[NASpurs]

Did someone get cut?

[Budkin]

:lol

[Robz4000]

Um what

[raybies]

:wow

[Ron Swanson]

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/04/Say-whaaaa-gif.gif?gs=a

[szkorhetz]

WTF?
So K-Mart won't come?

[gambit1990]

he's gonna help us get some easy buckets.

[NASpurs]

We signed a player older than Tim Duncan.

[raybies]

Can post smaller guards...

[spurraider21]

Rip McCallum

[elemento]

Typical Spurs signing

The only guy waived that fans didn't make a splash about and SA signs him :lmao

[BatManu20]

This is an amazing signing..... if it were 2002.

[raybies]

WTF?
So K-Mart won't come?

Is there still time he gets his buyout before March 1st otherwise he would not be playoff eligible.

[BatManu20]

This means Duncan is no longer the oldest player on the team :lol

[ninjaskrzypek]

His tweet is deleted

[resistanze]

Meanwhile Ty Lawson might be bought out....:lol

[tp2021]

Maybe so Patty can play off-ball like he's used to doing with Manu, but while Manu is out.

[Ron Swanson]

I'll wait for tspence to confirm.

[InRareForm]

Kevin Willis laughing in the nursing home

[ElNono]

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[BatManu20]

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[ElNono]

Sources: Andre Miller reaches agreement to join Spurs

Free-agent guard Andre Miller has reached an agreement to sign with the San Antonio Spurs for the remainder of the season, league sources told The Vertical.

Miller cleared waivers on Saturday after reaching a contract buyout with the Minnesota Timberwolves.

The Spurs need to clear a roster spot before signing Miller and expect to make a decision on waiving a player Sunday, league sources said.

Miller, 39, will be eligible for the playoffs because his buyout was completed before the March 1 deadline for waived players. Miller has averaged 3.4 points and 2.2 assists in his 17th NBA season and will be an experienced backcourt addition for the Spurs.

Miller has career averages of 12.6 points and 6.6 assists per game, ranking ninth on the NBA’s all-time assist list.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--andre-miller-spurs-002646280.html

[szkorhetz]

What the actual fuck? What's the plan? He will chase Curry? :D He would be a decent fit against Della, but we have to get through GSW first.

[jeebus]

Oh good, another washed up old fuck. :lol first round exit, here we come

[Kawhitstorm]

:bang

[BatManu20]

About time the Spurs got some veteran leadership.

[RD2191]

:lmao

[raybies]

What the actual fuck? What's the plan? He will chase Curry? :D He would be a decent fit against Della, but we have to get through GSW first.

Not expecting much, but it hits the wall in a potential warriors series, you can use Andre to post curry. Players that can post is invaluable against the warriors.

[Kawhitstorm]

So the K-Mart talk was BS then. :lol

Nope, Miller was signed to recruit K-Mart just like Patty recruited LMA.:wakeup

Dump Ray/Bonner & upgrade with Dre/K-Mart.:toast

[szkorhetz]

So.
We will likely cut McCallum, right. So that's a wasted second rounder. GG, PATFO.

[daslicer]

Wow the Spurs are going to be the only team with 2 40 year olds come playoff time. I wonder if they brought in Andre to mentor Kyle Anderson. I remember reading one draft report that stated Kyle was a taller version of Andre.

[ElNono]

I guess the plan is to post up Curry non-stop?

[random21]

Wtf....Well he has the best passing skills out of all of our pgs....

[coachmac87]

I find it hilarious people doubt the best run organization in all of sports...Spurs have a plan and are insuring themselves in case things go wrong

[Brian Windhorst]

...why?

[Kawhitstorm]

Not expecting much, but it hits the wall in a potential warriors series, you can use Andre to post curry. Players that can post is invaluable against the warriors.

Curry absolutely destroyed Miller in 2013 when the Worriers upset the Nuggets. I also remember Mark Jackson putting Draymond Green on Miller b/c he was bullying Curry in the post then George Karl complained about Draymond playing football & hacking Miller.:lol

[Chris]

Andre Miller king of the alley-oop passes tbh. Leonard and Aldridge are going to feast!

CIA Pop signing

[jeebus]

So the K-Mart talk was BS then. :lol
Kenyon Martin retired a long time ago imo.

[Robz4000]

So.
We will likely cut McCalum, right. So that's a wasted second rounder. GG, PATFO.

McCallum showed some upside while with the Kings, and it will end up being a late second round pick. It was a low risk/medium reward move.

[ChumpDumper]

Makes sense if Tony is going to be shut down for awhile but of course does nothing against gs.

[Mugen]

:lol

[Chris]

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[Kawhitstorm]

I guess the plan is to post up Curry non-stop?

Pop has been insistent on postup offense & now he has the best postup point guard in the league.:lol

[Brian Windhorst]

https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=EgIIBQ%253D%253D&search_query=andre+miller&page=1

Andre Miller highlights from within the last year.

...pretty sparse.

[Robz4000]

Curry absolutely destroyed Miller in 2013 when the Worriers upset the Nuggets. I also remember Mark Jackson putting Draymond Green on Miller b/c he was bullying Curry in the post then George Karl complained about Draymond playing football & hacking Miller.:lol

Miller won't be on Curry on defense tbh (if he even plays). He'll be on Barbosa/Livingston/Iggy/Barnes.

[look_at_g_shred]

Oh good, another washed up old fuck. :lol first round exit, here we come
Who's the other washed up old fuck?

[raybies]

Curry absolutely destroyed Miller in 2013 when the Worriers upset the Nuggets. I also remember Mark Jackson putting Draymond Green on Miller b/c he was bullying Curry in the post then George Karl complained about Draymond playing football & hacking Miller.:lol

If dray is forced to switch off Aldridge or Leonard that's a victory in itself though :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Andre Miller king of the alley-oop passes tbh. Leonard and Aldridge are going to feast!

CIA Pop signing

More like Simmons doesn't have to handle the ball & can feast off lob passes courtesy of Dre. It's going to be the most loaded garbage time lineup of all-time w/ Boban/Kyle/Simmons/Butler/Dre.:toast

[ducks]

He can pass if Manu never recovers
Patty is a shooter

[Kawhitstorm]

If dray is forced to switch off Aldridge or Leonard that's a victory in itself though :lol

They will just put Livingston on him b/c they had Jarrett Jack in 2013 who is a terrible defender.

[Kawhitstorm]

Miller won't be on Curry on defense tbh (if he even plays). He'll be on Barbosa/Livingston/Iggy/Barnes.

He's slow as fuck to check Barbosa but he might have a chance guarding Barnes in the post.:lol

[007nites]

Need to start Timmy and Andre together during the playoffs

[raybies]

They will just put Livingston on him b/c they had Jarrett Jack in 2013 who is a terrible defender.

Can Andre guard Livingston in the post?

[SPURt]

Curry stopper

[loveforthegame]

Didn't see this coming. That's the Spurs for you. :lol

I like it. Need some passing/play making off the bench.

Guess we'll see what he's got left.

[YGWHI]

So.
We will likely cut McCallum, right. So that's a wasted second rounder. GG, PATFO.

I'd wait a few hours, they can make another move...who knows.

[Robz4000]

He's slow as fuck to check Barbosa but he might have a chance guarding Barnes in the post.:lol

Better him than Curry tbh.

[BatManu20]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHdaUWUo2nw

[jeebus]

Who's the other washed up old fuck?
I don't know if you've watched the Spurs at all during your life, but the current team is pretty fucking old.

[siraulo23]

pretty good pickup for a mcallum replacement

[RD2191]

I don't know if you've watched the Spurs at all during your life, but the current team is pretty fucking old.
Lmao

[BatManu20]

Dre and Kawhi can be the cornrows-bros tbh.


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[Brian Windhorst]

I don't hate it I guess, but I would be wary of rocking the boat when the team is what, 49-9, unless it really moved the needle against the other potential 2nd and 3rd round matchups, and I really can't imagine that it does. Maybe against the Clippers he'd be useful?

Unless he's way better than washed up old fart on a terrible team, which is what he has been this year, giving up on Ray for him seems like a waste tbh.

[Darius Bieber]

I don't know if you've watched the Spurs at all during your life, but the current team is pretty fucking old.

Only team in the NBA with an average age over 30.

[SpursBig3s]

Manu insurance? other than that, I don't get it

[timtonymanu]

Who we waiving? Might need to get an appreciation thread ready for a certain player soon.

[SpursFan86]

Am I missing something here...? Kevin Martin seems like such a better fit than Andre Miller. Is there any chance they plan on waiving 2 guys and bringing both in?

For a team that could really use 3-point shooting + whose biggest threat is GS, signing Andre Miller just seems...meh. I mean some playmaking off the bench will be welcome, especially with Manu out, but I don't know. Not a big fan of this at first glance.

[Darius Bieber]

Will he be eligible to play in 2 hours if he travels in time?

[JeffDuncan]

Who's the other washed up old fuck?

I am, but I don't like you whippersnappers talking about it like that. Screw you.

[elemento]

Am I missing something here...? Kevin Martin seems like such a better fit than Andre Miller. Is there any chance they plan on waiving 2 guys and bringing both in?

Or maybe KM won't get a buyout after all.

[jeebus]

Who we waiving? Might need to get an appreciation thread ready for a certain player soon.
Bonner, Ray, or Fat Head, in that order. All are expendable.

[BatManu20]

Am I missing something here...? Kevin Martin seems like such a better fit than Andre Miller. Is there any chance they plan on waiving 2 guys and bringing both in?

I think that's the plan. Probably McCallum and one of either Bonner/Butler. Hopefully Bonner..

[timtonymanu]

Will he be eligible to play in 2 hours if he travels in time?

No. They still have to waive a player which apparently they are deciding on tomorrow. And I think he won't officially sign until the 1st?

[szkorhetz]

Bonner, Ray, or Fat Head, in that order. All are expendable.
Yeah, like Fathead is just one of the most unique talents in the NBA, and we will cut him. Of course.

[siraulo23]

best case scenario for the spurs, a vet pg in miller with high bb iq picks up the system real quick and plays the cojo role
worst case: he doesnt play a minute in the playoffs like mcallum would not have played

[Darius Bieber]

No. They still have to waive a player which apparently they are deciding on tomorrow. And I think he won't officially sign until the 1st?

Ah. Gotta suck to be McCallum/Butler/Simmons... Playing the Rockets could be your last game.

[Ditty]

Somehow Bonner will survive cuts :lol Really think Bonner and Butler get cut.

[MVPCues]

Bye Bonner.

[RD2191]

I am, but I don't like you whippersnappers talking about it like that. Screw you.
Just cut the tomfoolery.

[NASpurs]

If Butler gets cut... :lol

[BatManu20]

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[dabom]

Yeah, like Fathead is just one of the most unique talents in the NBA, and we will cut him. Of course.

You don't know shit faggot. :lmao

[BatManu20]

If Butler gets cut... :lol

I'll be pretty fucking disappointed, tbh..

[BatManu20]

Does he think he's taking Tony's spot int the rotation or.. :lol

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[SpursFan86]

Or maybe KM won't get a buyout after all.

Guess that could be it. I don't necessarily hate the Andre Miller signing on its own (although I do struggle to see how he'll help against GS), but signing him over Kevin Martin just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

If they end up getting both players or if Martin doesn't get bought out, this will make more sense. Guess I'll reserve judgment until the smoke clears.

[szkorhetz]

You don't know shit faggot. :lmao
See you in three years.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Just prepping him for the eventual assistant coaching position imo

[timtonymanu]

I'll be pretty fucking disappointed, tbh..

It wouldn't make any sense unless Butler suffered an injury of some kind.

[Shastafarian]

I like this signing. Everyone knows Patty isn't a PG and is probably the worst defender on the team. I love Patty but a guy like Miller will be SOOOOOO much better not only running the offense when Manu isn't on the court, but also defending guys like Shaun Livingston. What he lacks in height in that matchup (and matchups like it) he makes up for in girth. Taller PGs will be forced to shoot over Miller from further out. For a backup guard to be signed mid-season like this, I give it a preliminary B+. Kevin Martin makes less sense.

[dabom]

See you in three years.

Faggot :lmao

[CGD]

Makes me worry about that manu injury. Simmons is good, but not good enough to be the go to playmaker off the bench just yet. Miller can help with that a little.

Whose gone Ray or Bonner? Or both if their is anything to the Kmart stuff.

[spurraider21]

Hoping they just cut McCallum and BonBon

[BatManu20]

It wouldn't make any sense unless Butler suffered an injury of some kind.

Exactly. Which is why I'm hoping for Bonner, who has one foot out the door already anyways.

[Robz4000]

I like this signing. Everyone knows Patty isn't a PG and is probably the worst defender on the team. I love Patty but a guy like Miller will be SOOOOOO much better not only running the offense when Manu isn't on the court, but also defending guys like Shaun Livingston. What he lacks in height in that matchup (and matchups like it) he makes up for in girth. Taller PGs will be forced to shoot over Miller from further out. For a backup guard to be signed mid-season like this, I give it a preliminary B+. Kevin Martin makes less sense.

wat

[Kawhitstorm]

Worrier Killa!:toast

2alvgEdvYAM

[spurraider21]

:lmao jimmer

[Shastafarian]

wat

Did I stutter? A shooter who has a terrible shooting motion and has been known to choke when it matters. Spurs need a capable backup to run offense and defend larger PGs. I don't see Kevin Martin doing either of those things.

[SupremeGuy]

I'm not sure how I feel about this, tbh. Does dude even have any game left?

[TheDoctor]

Love the move. Let's cut that dribble-dribble-falling-to-the-floor shit.

[DarrinS]

Love the move. Let's cut that dribble-dribble-falling-to-the-floor shit.

:lol

[Kikoluna]

Has this been confirmed?

[Robz4000]

Did I stutter? A shooter who has a terrible shooting motion and has been known to choke when it matters. Spurs need a capable backup to run offense and defend larger PGs. I don't see Kevin Martin doing either of those things.

Their backup PG is Manu and always has been. What the Spurs need is a fourth wing that can shoot in the Beli/Neal role and Martin, like it or not, is. As for choking, the team has a few potentially on the roster already so that fear seems redundant.

[sasaint]

I'm not sure how I feel about this, tbh. Does dude even have any game left?

If this were 2006, Miller would make a great Spur.

[Kawhitstorm]

I like this signing. Everyone knows Patty isn't a PG and is probably the worst defender on the team. I love Patty but a guy like Miller will be SOOOOOO much better not only running the offense when Manu isn't on the court, but also defending guys like Shaun Livingston. What he lacks in height in that matchup (and matchups like it) he makes up for in girth. Taller PGs will be forced to shoot over Miller from further out. For a backup guard to be signed mid-season like this, I give it a preliminary B+. Kevin Martin makes less sense.

No, all PGs just blow by Miller.:lol

[Slippy]

Nice one. Hopefully has some juice left. Spurs guns need easier set-ups on offense. This guy can do it.

It should be mchallem that gets the c.hop

[Cklbmk]

Ya if its McCallum and Bonner for Martin and Miller its a win. Miller is cool on his own though. I hope Butler isnt gone

[Shastafarian]

Their backup PG is Manu and always has been. What the Spurs need is a fourth wing that can shoot in the Beli/Neal role and Martin, like it or not, is. As for choking, the team has a few potentially on the roster already so that fear seems redundant.

There's no guarantee Manu comes back in full strength or condition by the time they need him. I disagree that they need a shooting wing. Butler and Anderson will have to fill that role. The playoff rotations will get shorter and if Manu can't handle the minutes or can't play, they need a backup PG much more than some 4th wing that can SOMETIMES shoot well.

[PrimeMinister]

Has this been confirmed?

It's woj and the vertical, they usually don't tweet out erroneous shit

[Spurs9]

Who do they cut that the spurs think hes better than tbh?

[baseline bum]

This is a strange signing. I guess they figure they need more size at the point to match up with Livingston?

[Robz4000]

There's no guarantee Manu comes back in full strength or condition by the time they need him. I disagree that they need a shooting wing. Butler and Anderson will have to fill that role. The playoff rotations will get shorter and if Manu can't handle the minutes or can't play, they need a backup PG much more than some 4th wing that can SOMETIMES shoot well.

If he doesn't then this move is moot and they'd keep McCallum for developmental purposes.

[TD 21]

This is as confusing a signing that I can remember. Miller is a terrible fit. I realize he won't be in the regular rotation, but they'll be a temptation to play him more than he should. If they honestly plan to play him ahead of Mills against the Warriors, they deserve to lose.

I'd have rather stuck with McCallum, who's a serviceable third point guard, that was made out to be worse than he is, because Joseph was overqualified in the role the past season or two.

[phxspurfan]

So.
We will likely cut McCallum, right. So that's a wasted second rounder. GG, PATFO.

McCallum blows

[Shastafarian]

Patty is great but have people who have been watching the games seen him play defense? Or try to run the offense? He's an amazing shooting guard who brings so many intangibles. But he can't guard PGs in this league.

And no, I don't think Andre Miller is that amazing. But he might at least be a respite while Parker and Manu sit.

[Kawhitstorm]

This is a strange signing. I guess they figure they need more size at the point to match up with Livingston?

Realistically, he would actually be most useful against Austin Rivers b/c he isn't going to get bullied.:lol

[phxspurfan]

Their backup PG is Manu

Manu is done.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Does Ray McCallum aka Anthony Goldwire get cut here? I think so

[Robz4000]

Manu is done.

Then so are the Spurs.

[Spurs9]

This is a strange signing. I guess they figure they need more size at the point to match up with Livingston?
Think they are going after both?

[rasuo214]

Cut Bonner, give him some sort of internship/coaching gig so he can still stick around.

[Capt Bringdown]

Hoping for the best, but this signing does remind of the Terry Porter days...

[SAGirl]

Wow the Spurs are going to be the only team with 2 40 year olds come playoff time. I wonder if they brought in Andre to mentor Kyle Anderson. I remember reading one draft report that stated Kyle was a taller version of Andre.
I wondered the same thing on another thread.... but I never saw Andre Miller play. Guess I'll see him now. Too bad for Ray. Ray and Simmons are probably the most affected.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Hoping for the best, but this signing does remind of the Terry Porter days...

Damon Stoudamire/Jacque Vaughn.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I wondered the same thing on another thread.... but I never saw Andre Miller play. Guess I'll see him now. Too bad for Ray. Ray and Simmons are probably the most affected.

Ray is a goner with this move. If we get Tin Man too, we'll probably cut a wing not named Leonard or Green.

[Spurs9]

I wondered the same thing on another thread.... but I never saw Andre Miller play. Guess I'll see him now. Too bad for Ray. Ray and Simmons are probably the most affected.

I used to love watching him play in Denver.

[Shastafarian]

If he doesn't then this move is moot and they'd keep McCallum for developmental purposes.

You think they'd essentially give up instead of acquiring someone they think could help the team?

[Robz4000]

You think they'd essentially give up instead of acquiring someone they think could help the team?

They wouldn't give up one of their prospects on a massive longshot hope of Miller replicating what Manu brings. They'd role with Anderson and Simmons to give them a trial-by-fire.

[NASpurs]

Is Miller already the best PG on the team? Discuss

:lol

[SpursFan86]

If they honestly plan to play him ahead of Mills against the Warriors, they deserve to lose.

I imagine they'd play both of them together with Mills at SG.

[tholdren]

Great sign. Gives spurs a True backup pg. Cut bonner.

[Kawhitstorm]

Damon Stoudamire/Jacque Vaughn.

Jacque rang & Might Mouse didn't average 20 a season before he retired:wakeup

[HarlemHeat37]

If Andre Miller plays significant minutes, it's a horrible signing, tbh:lol..

He has been finished for a long time, and his style of play is absolutely cancerous..he's one of the most ball-dominant players in the NBA, and his only strength is posting up, which is completely useless in today's NBA at his position..not to mention he can't move anymore, defensively..

Realistically, this is a move that will help his coaching experience, and that's it..

[Shastafarian]

They wouldn't give up one of their prospects on a massive longshot hope of Miller replicating what Manu brings. They'd role with Anderson and Simmons to give them a trial-by-fire.

Except if this signing is true, they've done exactly that :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

I imagine they'd play both of them together with Mills at SG.

If we are talking about the postseason, they won't be getting of the pine ala CoJo.

[Kawhitstorm]

If Andre Miller plays significant minutes, it's a horrible signing, tbh:lol..

He has been finished for a long time, and his style of play is absolutely cancerous..he's one of the most ball-dominant players in the NBA, and his only strength is posting up, which is completely useless in today's NBA at his position..not to mention he can't move anymore, defensively..

Realistically, this is a move that will help his coaching experience, and that's it..

He's the Austin Rivers stopper.:lol

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Hopefully, this means Coach B is getting dumped for Coach Dre.:toast

[Robz4000]

Except if this signing is true, they've done exactly that :lol

They made this signing thinking Manu will be back and that Miller will provide a decent option in certain situations when he's on the bench and Mills is getting raped on D. Martin will be taking up the minutes of Simmons.

[BatManu20]

Has this been confirmed?

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[MaNu4Tres]

This is a strange signing. I guess they figure they need more size at the point to match up with Livingston?
You really think Andre will be playing relevant minutes and matching up with Golden States best playmaker off the bench?

[BatManu20]

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[baseline bum]

Hoping for the best, but this signing does remind of the Terry Porter days...

You're expecting way too much out of Miller if you're bringing up even 2002 Terry Porter.

[Darius Bieber]

Might as well get a *insert religious place of worship* of Andre Miller thread going.

[baseline bum]

You really think Andre will be playing relevant minutes and matching up with Golden States best playmaker off the bench?

I can't see any other reason for it. He's a horrible shooter.

[MaNu4Tres]

If he plays in any close games come playoff time, I'll be pissed tbh..

[cd98]

Miller for his defense. He's always been able to switch and guard bigs with his size and strength. This is all about match ups with GS.

[Shastafarian]

They made this signing thinking Manu will be back and that Miller will provide a decent option in certain situations when he's on the bench and Mills is getting raped on D. Martin will be taking up the minutes of Simmons.

Exactly. And in the playoffs I doubt Simmons will get very many minutes. His minutes will go to Butler because Butler has shown consistently to make few mistakes and hit open shots. So we agree.

[cd98]

He's insurance as a back up with smarts, toughness, and defense. He uses his strength to muscle point guards and he won't get abused by bigs on switches. Not going to play him 30 minutes...he's a 5 minutes player in the playoffs. He want get posted up by Livingston.

[Robz4000]

Exactly. And in the playoffs I doubt Simmons will get very many minutes. His minutes will go to Butler because Butler has shown consistently to make few mistakes and hit open shots. So we agree.

My original argument was that you said Miller is a better signing than KMart, which he isn't. This team needs more 3-point shooting bad, and Andre Miller doesn't provide it.

[MaNu4Tres]

I can't see any other reason for it. He's a horrible shooter.

They'll have to hide Andre on the worst offensive player IF he plays any meaningful minutes and the offense and spacing will be horrendous with him on the floor.Only value he brings is leadership and knowledge. He shld not play any minutes outside of mop up minutes/ games Tony sits.

[MaNu4Tres]

Miller for his defense. He's always been able to switch and guard bigs with his size and strength. This is all about match ups with GS.

He can't move. You need quickness to defend guards, this isn't 1989.

[SupremeGuy]

If this were 2006, Miller would make a great Spur.I know PATFO wouldn't sign him if they didn't think he could help but I hope it doesn't cost us Butler...

Fuck it, we should give this shit the benefit of the doubt.

:flag:

[cd98]

He can't move. You need quickness to defend guards, this isn't 1989.

He can move enough and use his strength to wear down guards and post them up. Speed has never been a part of his game.

[Mal]

Who was cut ?

[SpurPadre]

The old fuck fetish continues with this franchise.

[Robz4000]

Who was cut ?

No one yet. Spurs will decide tomorrow and Miller will sign Monday.

[TD 21]

I imagine they'd play both of them together with Mills at SG.

I know Martin is just speculation, but suffice it to say, Stein has a strong track record with these sorts of things over the years. So let's presume it happens. They'd seriously play Miller over him period, but especially against the Warriors?

If they do, that's insane. He's the worst possible fit next to Ginobili and obviously not good enough to relegate the latter to off ball duties. This smacks of desperation.

I know the options were limited after the big moves were taken care of last summer and they pretty much did as good as possible to fill out the roster, but win or lose it all, they really need to get younger, in the back half of the roster, this summer.

[Shastafarian]

My original argument was that you said Miller is a better signing than KMart, which he isn't. This team needs more 3-point shooting bad, and Andre Miller doesn't provide it.

So a guy who has shot 40% from behind the arc three times in his 12 year career is a good 3 point shooter? My argument is Martin is not even a very good basketball player. His 3p% has gone down each year since his high % of 2012-2013. Right now he has made a whopping 38 out of 103 threes for the season. His motion is Marion-esque and he chokes in crunch time.

[MaNu4Tres]

He can move enough and use his strength to wear down guards and post them up. Speed has never been a part of his game.

Lol. In what world is Andre Miller a good defender?

Do some of yall watch basketball outside of the Spurs?

[Robz4000]

So a guy who has shot 40% from behind the arc three times in his 12 year career is a good 3 point shooter? My argument is Martin is not even a very good basketball player. His 3p% has gone down each year since his high % of 2012-2013. Right now he has made a whopping 38 out of 103 threes for the season. His motion is Marion-esque and he chokes in crunch time.

Martin has been playing on one of the worst teams since 2012-2013 where he was expected to be a top option, and was also expected to in the past. On the Spurs he'd be a 15 minutes a game bench player who won't be expected to do too much. He isn't the greatest pick-up but he fills a few needs, unlike Miller.

[Kawhitstorm]

So a guy who has shot 40% from behind the arc three times in his 12 year career is a good 3 point shooter? My argument is Martin is not even a very good basketball player. His 3p% has gone down each year since his high % of 2012-2013. Right now he has made a whopping 38 out of 103 threes for the season. His motion is Marion-esque and he chokes in crunch time.

How is Marco doing this season playing on a shitty team? Do you think it's by coincidence Marco became an efficient scorer playing in the Spurs system after being a 39% shooter even on a playoff team with shitty offense like the Bulls? :rolleyes

[SAGirl]

Manu insurance? other than that, I don't get it
That + mentoring. Very much like Pop to want to get mentors for young guys he likes and who are likely part of the teams future. He famously wanted J.Kidd to mentor Tony. He qgot Kawhi together with Pippen earlier in Kawhi's career and has made noise of wanting Kobe to mentor Kawhi a bit.

This season he got Butler and now Miller to mentor, as well as give time to develop to Anderson and Simmons. Ray is the unknown. I am unsure how much they like him, but Pop has had praise for the other two at different times so they are not lost causes.

[MaNu4Tres]

Lol use his strength to wear down guards?

Is the NBA implementing a round of wrestling between quarters or something?

[SpursFan86]

I know Martin is just speculation, but suffice it to say, Stein has a strong track record with these sorts of things over the years. So let's presume it happens. They'd seriously play Miller over him period, but especially against the Warriors?

If they do, that's insane. He's the worst possible fit next to Ginobili and obviously not good enough to relegate the latter to off ball duties.

Oh well if we also get Martin then I definitely agree that there's really no place for him...especially against GS.

Also agree that Miller is a pretty terrible fit next to Manu. Miller is extremely ball-dominant and can't shoot...not really the type of guy you want on a bench featuring Manu/Diaw.

Mills/Martin/Manu just seems so much more logical than Miller/Mills/Manu (fuck, that's a lot of M's :lol ). I have a hard time seeing how PATFO could go with Miller unless a) they're also planning on getting Martin, and Miller is just Manu insurance or b) Martin doesn't end up reaching a buyout agreement with Minnesota.

[sasaint]

I know PATFO wouldn't sign him if they didn't think he could help but I hope it doesn't cost us Butler...

Fuck it, we should give this shit the benefit of the doubt.

:flag:

PATFO is not infallible but they do deserve the benefit of the doubt. I hate to see us jettison anybody except Bonner for this guy. And I still hope we can get KMart, but I don't really want to jettison any more of our other guys for a short-term rental. Butler has been a great veteran who delivers when called upon. Of our young prospects, Kyle and Simmons both seem safe to me, so Ray seems to be the other expendable. I kind of hate to see him go just because he seems kind of like a young unknown, and RC hyped him pretty highly when we got him.

[Shastafarian]

Martin has been playing on one of the worst teams since 2012-2013 where he was expected to be a top option, and was also expected to in the past. On the Spurs he'd be a 15 minutes a game bench player who won't be expected to do too much. He isn't the greatest pick-up but he fills a few needs, unlike Miller.He hasn't been expected to be a top option in months. I think his % would go up on the Spurs but like I said, 3pt hitting 4th wings are further down the list than potential backup PGs.


How is Marco doing this season playing on a shitty team? Do you think it's by coincidence Marco became an efficient scorer playing in the Spurs system after being a 39% shooter even on a playoff team with shitty offense like the Bulls? :rolleyesI don't think it's coincidence. I also don't think the Spurs need a 4th wing scorer more than a true backup PG.

[SpurPadre]

I'm worried this means Manu might be out for the rest of the year, especially if we still get Martin.

[cd98]

Lol. In what world is Andre Miller a good defender?

Do some of yall watch basketball outside of the Spurs?

Yes, I've watched him since he was a star point guard at the Univ. of Utah. He's always been a rugged defender without foot speed. He's not a 30 minute a game player anymore, but he can give the Spurs minutes in the playoffs that over other third string point guards that can't defend or shoot, like Ray.

[LittleCriminal]

Maybe cut bonner and Ray for Miller and Kmart.. That would be nice..

[Robz4000]

He hasn't been expected to be a top option in months. I think his % would go up on the Spurs but like I said, 3pt hitting 4th wings are further down the list than potential backup PGs.

I don't think it's coincidence. I also don't think the Spurs need a 4th wing scorer more than a true backup PG.

The Spurs don't need a backup PG. We've been over this.

[ace3g]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12803273_928987230550790_8734046626965007508_n.jpg ?oh=ee36fddc8f97dcb256431551317408a3&oe=575B24E5

[cd98]

Lol use his strength to wear down guards?

Is the NBA implementing a round of wrestling between quarters or something?

He can post up Curry. He's always been good at posting guards. He's found his way onto NBA rosters every year and the Spurs are willing to cut someone to add him, so NBA GMs, including RC see something you don't.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Andre Miller was widely ridiculed by everybody, last year, tbh..most people assumed that he was still in in the league simply because of George Karl's close friendship with him..

He's not playing in the playoffs in 2016..it would be worse than Bonner getting minutes, and we all know how everybody here would feel if Matty saw the floor in the post-season nowadays..

[Kawhitstorm]

Oh well if we also get Martin then I definitely agree that there's really no place for him...especially against GS.


K-Mart vs. Klay: http://bkref.com/tiny/Xvh9H

[BatManu20]

703728527644823553

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol Andre Miller was widely ridiculed by everybody, last year, tbh..most people assumed that he was still in in the league simply because of George Karl's close friendship with him..

He's not playing in the playoffs in 2016..it would be worse than Bonner getting minutes, and we all know how everybody here would feel if Matty saw the floor in the post-season nowadays..

I'm just hoping he's just there to be a player-coach & is taking Bonner's spot b/c all the frontline players are vets.

[Shastafarian]

The Spurs don't need a backup PG. We've been over this.

The front office disagrees with you.

[td4mvp2k]

Maybe cut bonner and Ray for Miller and Kmart.. That would be nice..no.. Bonner n Butler if both sign

[SpursFan86]

The Spurs don't need a backup PG. We've been over this.

It all depends on how/when Manu returns. If Manu returns and is able to play at a reasonable level, I see virtually no reason for adding another bench PG...at least not one as ball-dominant and shooting-challenged as Miller.

[Robz4000]

The front office disagrees with you.

No, the front office went out and got a new 3rd string PG. Last I checked Manu and Patty, if you wanna consider him the back-up PG instead, are still on the roster.

[TD 21]

Oh well if we also get Martin then I definitely agree that there's really no place for him...especially against GS.

Also agree that Miller is a pretty terrible fit next to Manu. Miller is extremely ball-dominant and can't shoot...not really the type of guy you want on a bench featuring Manu/Diaw.

Mills/Martin/Manu just seems so much more logical than Miller/Mills/Manu (fuck, that's a lot of M's :lol ). I have a hard time seeing how PATFO could go with Miller unless a) they're also planning on getting Martin, and Miller is just Manu insurance or b) Martin doesn't end up reaching a buyout agreement with Minnesota.

I wouldn't want Miller whether Martin is coming or not and in theory, that would only push him further down the depth chart.

I realize Miller is a play maker and Martin isn't; but Martin would be more Ginobili replacement than Miller.

If it comes to it, I'd rather Anderson, as the depth creator on the 2nd unit, ahead of Miller. I don't get this on any level.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm just hoping he's just there to be a player-coach & is taking Bonner's spot b/c all the frontline players are vets.

I assume he's joining the Spurs as a player-coach..

Pop loves Miller, Tony Parker has said that Andre is the toughest player he's ever played against..Pop and George Karl are close friends, and Karl is obsessed with Andre Milller, he's essentially his Black son:lol..

The relationship makes sense, it's most likely a springboard to coaching.. The best organisation in pro sports is the best place for a potential future coach to learn..

[Shastafarian]

No, the front office went out and got a new 3rd string PG. Last I checked Manu and Patty, if you wanna consider him the back-up PG instead, are still on the roster.

Well you need to go back and read what I said. If Parker, Manu, and Mills are all healthy they'll play before Miller. Miller will take Manu's minutes in my opinion if he's hurt and can't play as many minutes. The front office wants Miller for something. "Backup" is any non-starter in my view.

[spursistan]

I'm worried this means Manu might be out for the rest of the year, especially if we still get Martin.
That's just my fear: that PATFO knows something bad about the injury :depressed..

[td4mvp2k]

He would be the only real pg on the team tbh

[baseline bum]

I assume he's joining the Spurs as a player-coach..

Pop loves Miller, Tony Parker has said that Andre is the toughest player he's ever played against..Pop and George Karl are close friends, and Karl is obsessed with Andre Milller, he's essentially his Black son:lol..

The relationship makes sense, it's most likely a springboard to coaching.. The best organisation in pro sports is the best place for a potential future coach to learn..

That at least makes some sense. I don't get the signing on any other level.

[Robz4000]

Well you need to go back and read what I said. If Parker, Manu, and Mills are all healthy they'll play before Miller. Miller will take Manu's minutes in my opinion if he's hurt and can't play as many minutes. The front office wants Miller for something. "Backup" is any non-starter in my view.

Bruh, I have no idea what you're trying to argue then. If the Spurs get Martin he'll get minutes on a healthy Spurs squad. Meanwhile, Miller only gets minutes if someone is injured. Therefore, Martin is a better signing than Miller.

[Spurs9]

Lol. In what world is Andre Miller a good defender?

Do some of yall watch basketball outside of the Spurs?
His BBIQ will wear them down :cry :cry

:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Andre Miller isn't Manu insurance, tbh..he's not even a good playmaker, if we're being honest..

He stat-pads assists by dominating the ball, his assists don't contribute to efficient offense, a homeless man's Rondo..I can't even imagine him playing Spurs basketball, let alone with the bench unit..

[SilverSpur]

:bang

Totally agree. I would have prefered Bryce Cotton. He is super quick/fast and would give Curry headaches. This signing does nothing for us.
We got older and slower not to mention we now have to cut someone, unless its Bonner then really it's no loss at all and insurance for Ginobilli

[BatManu20]

If nothing else, maybe he'll take out Blake when we play LAC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrNYIBw3fw

[Shastafarian]

Bruh, I have no idea what you're trying to argue then. If the Spurs get Martin he'll get minutes on a healthy Spurs squad.Not in the playoffs

Meanwhile, Miller only gets minutes if someone is injured. Therefore, Martin is a better signing than Miller.Someone is ALREADY injured. That's my point.

[BatManu20]

Damn never saw this. Happened just a few weeks ago. How did he even survive this at his age tbh.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h60z6Wu_9fg

[james evans]

probably won't play 3 games this season. U know how popovich is

[EVAY]

I'm worried this means Manu might be out for the rest of the year, especially if we still get Martin.

me too.

[sasaint]

That's just my fear: that PATFO knows something bad about the injury :depressed..

Don't think so. The tenor of Manu's tweets has not been gloomy.

[james evans]

If nothing else, maybe he'll take out Blake when we play LAC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrNYIBw3fw
we need this for Draymond Green and Bogut's illegal picks

[Robz4000]

Not in the playoffs
Someone is ALREADY injured. That's my point.

Martin will get minutes in the playoffs on the Spurs, I don't think that's even debatable. As for injuries, Miller will see some garbage time minutes but once Manu is back he'll be on the inactive list until some potential match up presents itself a few games into a series.

[SpurPadre]

That's just my fear: that PATFO knows something bad about the injury :depressed..

If so, he can't go out like this. Fucking Ryan Anderson, piece of shit still hasn't apologized for what he did.

[ElNono]

I think Pop is just going to rest Tony for a while, who's been having a marked decline lately, especially since he played last summer. This also opens the door for Andre to run PG on the bench unit with Mills playing SG until Manu comes back...

I don't really think he'll have a much bigger role in the playoffs than T-Mac had, tbh...

[SpurPadre]

:lol Andre Miller isn't Manu insurance, tbh..he's not even a good playmaker, if we're being honest..

He stat-pads assists by dominating the ball, his assists don't contribute to efficient offense, a homeless man's Rondo..I can't even imagine him playing Spurs basketball, let alone with the bench unit..

If Manu's injury is worse than let on, we don't have the luxury of finding proper Manu insurance. Hence, the concern.

[Shastafarian]

Martin will get minutes in the playoffs on the Spurs, I don't think that's even debatable. As for injuries, Miller will see some garbage time minutes but once Manu is back he'll be on the inactive list until some potential match up presents itself a few games into a series.

I think it is debatable. Especially considering the Spurs haven't even committed to signing him yet.

[Robz4000]

I think it is debatable. Especially considering the Spurs haven't even committed to signing him yet.

If they don't then this discussion is meaningless. If they do then you can bump this thread and I'll admit I was wrong if he doesn't get minutes.

[Shastafarian]

If they don't then this discussion is meaningless. If they do then you can bump this thread and I'll admit I was wrong if he doesn't get minutes.

Likewise if Miller gets 0 playing time and/or is terrible.

[HarlemHeat37]

If Manu's injury is worse than let on, we don't have the luxury of finding proper Manu insurance. Hence, the concern.

If Manu is out, the Spurs aren't beating the super team at the top, bro:lol

They can win cute regular season games without him, but this team isn't beating the Warriors without their best facilitator..

[Robz4000]

Likewise if Miller gets 0 playing time and/or is terrible.

:tu, or should I say, :claw

[FaM0us Skins]

He's washed up but, I've always wanted him to be apart of the team.

[SpurPadre]

If Manu is out, the Spurs aren't beating the super team at the top, bro:lol

They can win cute regular season games without him, but this team isn't beating the Warriors without their best facilitator..

That's my point. That's why I'm being doom and gloom about this.

[tonight...you]

If Manu is out, the Spurs aren't beating the super team at the top, bro:lol

They can win cute regular season games without him, but this team isn't beating the Warriors without their best facilitator..
"Hence, the concern." :lol..

[FaM0us Skins]

703713955689005056

:lol

[rasuo214]

Well Parker and Mills are almost unplayable against the Warriors. Maybe they're signing Miller to fulfill the Horry role against Steph. Or can he guard Livingston?

I don't think this means anything when it comes to Manu, it could just be more insurance if Pop needs to resort to playing Manu over Parker against the Warriors.

[spurtech09]

Tell you the truth I rather Ray get a shot....at least he is young.....o well I don't know why everyone complaining so much......Its just basketball.....

[DMC]

I'll wait for tspence to confirm.

Wojtek as well

[DMC]

Likewise if Miller gets 0 playing time and/or is terrible.
Miller has always played Spurs style old man ball. He's perfect.

[cd98]

Tell you the truth I rather Ray get a shot....at least he is young.....o well I don't know why everyone complaining so much......Its just basketball.....

Youth includes inexperience and that loses more playoff games than age.

[lilbthebasedgod]

ugh...why?

Now we have to kick off butler or bonner. The former has been servicable and the latter is just as good as miller and has loyalty.

[NASpurs]

http://i.imgur.com/OKepHAA.gif

[rasuo214]

ugh...why?

Now we have to kick off butler or bonner. The former has been servicable and the latter is just as good as miller and has loyalty.

The Spurs don't really need 6 bigs. Timmy, LMA, West, Diaw, Boban. Even Anderson, Butler and Kawhi can play some in a small ball lineup.

[cjw]

Ray isn't part of the future of this team - he's no spring chicken (older than Kawhi) and is a dime a dozen in terms of production / upside. Come the postseason, I'd rather have Miller than him.

And to those who say the Spurs should cut Butler, you've delirious.

[BillMc]

That's my point. That's why I'm being doom and gloom about this.


Here is what ESPN reported about Manu's recovery. (Apologies if it has already been posted.)


Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said Manu Ginobili is recovering slowly from testicular surgery. Popovich said that really all Ginobili can do basically is shoot baskets carefully. Popovich joked Ginobili is shooting gingerly hoping the ball doesn't bounce back.

[SpursFan86]

If Manu is out, the Spurs aren't beating the super team at the top, bro:lol

They can win cute regular season games without him, but this team isn't beating the Warriors without their best facilitator..

This is the thing. While I disagree with you to an extent about Miller (he can certainly run an offense better than anyone on the bench not named Manu), we're still sure as hell not winning anything without Manu...so it's hard to be happy with this. Either Manu is good to go and Miller is essentially useless, or Manu isn't good to go and we're fucked :lol I have a hard time seeing any scenario where Miller gives us a better chance of beating GS.

[eDizzle20]

Good signing. Veteran leadership is always a plus even if he barely plays.

[SpurPadre]

Here is what ESPN reported about Manu's recovery. (Apologies if it has already been posted.)

Thanks, I didn't read that before.

[SpurPadre]

Good signing. Veteran leadership is always a plus even if he barely plays.

Last time I checked, we weren't quite lacking in the veteran leadership department.

[alfahdlan]

Only as slowmo mentor, I guess. Like TMac to KL.

[tholdren]

If Andre Miller plays significant minutes, it's a horrible signing, tbh:lol..

He has been finished for a long time, and his style of play is absolutely cancerous..he's one of the most ball-dominant players in the NBA, and his only strength is posting up, which is completely useless in today's NBA at his position..not to mention he can't move anymore, defensively..

Realistically, this is a move that will help his coaching experience, and that's it..

The king of terrible posts shows his skills are unmatched

[james evans]

I think Pop is just going to rest Tony for a while, who's been having a marked decline lately, especially since he played last summer. This also opens the door for Andre to run PG on the bench unit with Mills playing SG until Manu comes back...

I don't really think he'll have a much bigger role in the playoffs than T-Mac had, tbh...
LATELY??? He's been on the decline the past 5 seasons

[lilbthebasedgod]

The Spurs don't really need 6 bigs. Timmy, LMA, West, Diaw, Boban. Even Anderson, Butler and Kawhi can play some in a small ball lineup.
We also don't need 15 players. Any position we add is unnecessary.

[ElNono]

LATELY??? He's been on the decline the past 5 seasons

He looks pretty great every November, tbh

[Splits]

I love how we replace our 15th player and half the forum runs for their tin foil hats and now Manu is retiring, Butler is getting cut, and the :cry season is over :cry

Fucking retards.

[Ron Swanson]

Tony needs rest so he can play this summer.

[SAGirl]

Here is what ESPN reported about Manu's recovery. (Apologies if it has already been posted.)
Thanks for sharing this, I had not seen it.

[SAGirl]

Only as slowmo mentor, I guess. Like TMac to KL.
^^^^^
Everyone making a Huge fuss about this, when this is all this is. Slomo mentor. :toast

[tholdren]

So a guy who has shot 40% from behind the arc three times in his 12 year career is a good 3 point shooter? My argument is Martin is not even a very good basketball player. His 3p% has gone down each year since his high % of 2012-2013. Right now he has made a whopping 38 out of 103 threes for the season. His motion is Marion-esque and he chokes in crunch time.

Martin isn't a good all around player, he's a streaky shooter, and a character guy. I would assume his shooting would only be more consistent on a smart team like San Antonio. He's played for some fairly trashy teams with a lot of incompetent players. In his prime he could get to the rack (which is what SA needs) too.

Picking up Martin would be a great option. He can come in for a few minutes a game shoot the ball and give others rest. He's an upgrade when you look at Ray, Butler, Bonner, or Miller. Spurs need scoring depth on the perimeter.

[Baam]

What does the TOSB version of Andre Miller have than KA doesn't? Besides he's cursed in the POs. Don't get it.

[tmtcsc]

I find it hilarious people doubt the best run organization in all of sports...Spurs have a plan and are insuring themselves in case things go wrong

Exactly. There's a lot of people in this forum with egg on their face because they joked about Miller or Martin joining the Spurs. I'll take the pros opinions over the ones (including mine) in here.

[rasuo214]

We also don't need 15 players. Any position we add is unnecessary.

The Spurs did/maybe still do need better depth at guard, especially in preparation against the Warriors where Parker and Mills are liabilities due to their size. The goal is to win a championship isn't it? And while Bonner's loyalty is appreciated, he's hurt and was barely playing to begin with. I'm sure there are other ways they can reward that loyalty without taking up a roster spot.

[tholdren]

I love how we replace our 15th player and half the forum runs for their tin foil hats and now Manu is retiring, Butler is getting cut, and the :cry season is over :cry

Fucking retards.


ST getting as limp as ptr

[lilbthebasedgod]

The Spurs did/maybe still do need better depth at guard, especially in preparation against the Warriors where Parker and Mills are liabilities due to their size. The goal is to win a championship isn't it? And while Bonner's loyalty is appreciated, he's hurt and was barely playing to begin with. I'm sure there are other ways they can reward that loyalty without taking up a roster spot.
Andre Miller isn't adding depth. He's a bottom of the bench filler space. That's my problem. We don't need any of those. Sure we could add someone good at guard. I'd support it. But Andre Miller is a 4th string PG depending on how you classify patty.

[Hoops Czar]

I love how we replace our 15th player and half the forum runs for their tin foil hats and now Manu is retiring, Butler is getting cut, and the :cry season is over :cry

Fucking retards.

Low IQ posters saying low IQ things.

[tholdren]

Low IQ posters saying low IQ things.
My TeamCleveland Cavaliers

[100%duncan]

Keeping LMA happy. CIA pop

[Mnky]

I love how we replace our 15th player and half the forum runs for their tin foil hats and now Manu is retiring, Butler is getting cut, and the :cry season is over :cry

Fucking retards.

These are the geniuses who didn't want LMA, as still don't as he helps lead the spurs to their best start in franchise history.

[K...]

if we waive McCalalum, whats to stop him from signing on the cheap next year? I doubt his market is that high, other teams will give him the same end of bench role, but he might want to continue the chance the be the spurs backup.

[HarlemHeat37]

The king of terrible posts shows his skills are unmatched

I don't even remember the last time I was wrong about something on this forum, tbh:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

I know many here don't watch much basketball outside of the Spurs, or even in general(like tholdren, since there are too many Black players with tattoos for him nowadays), but Andre Miller is literally one of the worst players in the NBA:lol..he's not going to play a single meaningful minute in the playoffs..

He hasn't been a relevant player in a long time(he was always overrated in his prime, too), and the new NBA is a terrible fit for his playing style..

[BD24]

Was really hoping this was a joke thread when I read the title. I was sorely dissapointed when I saw it was true. What in the actual fuck.