Cindy Sheehan Arrested At White House

[Nbadan]

Still breaking ...msnbc has the headline at their website

here:MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/)

More:


WASHINGTON - Cindy Sheehan, the California woman who has used her son's death in Iraq to spur the anti-war movement, was arrested Monday while protesting outside the White House.

Sheehan and several dozen other protesters sat down on the sidewalk after marching along the pedestrian walkway on Pennsylvania Avenue. Police warned them three times that they were breaking the law by failing to move along, then began making arrests.

Sheehan was the first taken into custody. She stood up and was led to a police vehicle while protesters chanted, "The whole world is watching."

Dallas News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092705dnnatsheehan.a7d9b65.html)

[Nbadan]

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Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan is arrested by United States Park police outside the White House on Monday, Sept. 26, 2005 in Washington. Sheehan's 24-year-old son, Casey, was killed in an ambush in Sadr City, Iraq, last year. She attracted worldwide attention last month with her 26-day vigil outside President Bush's Texas ranch. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

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[SpursWoman]

Sheehan and several dozen other protesters sat down on the sidewalk after marching along the pedestrian walkway on Pennsylvania Avenue. Police warned them three times that they were breaking the law by failing to move along, then began making arrests.

And the big deal is.....what? I'm sure that's what she was aiming at. :rolleyes

[JoeChalupa]

And she got it.

[SpursWoman]

Of course. More publicity, whodathunkit?

[Clandestino]

maybe someone will beat her ass in jail!

[Spurminator]

Before we start getting into a free speech debate, let it be known that this is exactly what she wanted.

[MiNuS]

I am a Democrat but this Sheenan shit has got to go! Useless!

[Useruser666]

Sheenan will now call for the pull out of guards from the jail she is in.

[Hook Dem]

I am a Democrat but this Sheenan shit has got to go! Useless!
Therefore, you will gain respect from a lot of people on here(except Dan ).

[JoeChalupa]

I am a Democrat but this Sheenan shit has got to go! Useless!

I concur.

But publicity goes both ways...you don't think ALL Presidents love a good photo-op?

[MiNuS]

Therefore, you will gain respect from a lot of people on here(except Dan ).I still don't believe in Bush's war,economics,and leadership. He has to be the worst Republican President in the "Communication Era".
Dan is allright but he's beating a dog when it's down,unfortunately for this administration it's been down for the last 5 years! Nothing seems to come out right for the Bush administration. For our sake I hope things start looking better the next 3 years of his Presidency.

Sheenan,just rubs me the wrong way.She's too fake.
Right cause,wrong person.

[The Ressurrected One]

http://www.lucianne.com/routine/images/09-26-05.jpg
Don't Get Stuck on Stupid!

[JoeChalupa]

http://www.lucianne.com/routine/images/09-26-05.jpg
Don't Get Stuck on Stupid!

Worked for Cheney. :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

Sheehan has no First Amendment issue here and if that's what dan is trying to get at, its a silly point. There is no doubt that the government can impose reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions on anyone's expression, so long as the limitation does not unreasonably chill the right to speak freely. Here, the government has a perfectly understandable interest in keeping people from loitering in front of the White House. The officers gave Sheehan three opportunities to take herself elsewhere. It doesn't appear that Sheehan was arrested for what she was saying; she was arrested for her refusal to leave the place where she was trying to express herself. Had she gone across the street or down the block, she wouldn't have been arrested.

Sheehan's cause was initially appealling to me because it seemed to be a genuine expression of sadness aimed at making a political point. But now, she's either turned herself into some kind of media whore, or been turned into a willing political pawn. In either event, the self-aggrandization of Cindy Sheehan has made her cause into a mockery.

[Vashner]

Hum.. maybe Jessie will hit it?

[Yonivore]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050926/i/r2074446867.jpg
Okay, where is the officer's right hand and why is she smiling?

[Trainwreck2100]

Can someone make her a martyr already.

[SpursWoman]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050926/i/r2074446867.jpg
Okay, where is the officer's right hand and why is she smiling?



I thought that picture looked wrong somehow.... :lmao

[Vashner]

She does not look like a grieving mother. Looks like she's just getting off on the attention. I am sure the people that killed her son enjoy all this crap.

EDIT: What I want to know is from her.. What exactly did her son tell her in there conversations about how HE felt about the war, Bush and military recruiters that "lied" to him.

What was his reason to re-enlist. In the class about close combat and getting wounded and killed in the basic training. He didn't quit and not reenlist because he know you get shot at and blown up in the Army?

What did he think Cindy? ...

[Dos]

she has turned into quite the drama queen... bah

[bigzak25]

very sad that she continues to shit on her sons grave...almost daily now....:cry

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Too bad Dubya shits on all Americans every day.

[Vashner]

Too bad Dubya shits on all Americans every day.

Typical.. when your brain has ZERO to contribute related to the thread you throw up some stupid statement like that. It's a moronic statement.

[bigzak25]

Too bad Dubya shits on all Americans every day.

BRAVO! Dumbass of the Day!

[Nbadan]

Here (http://www.meetwithcindy.org/gsfp/GS05-107.mov) is a wonderful anti-war video featuring Cindy Sheehan

[Vashner]

Here is a porno staring Ciny Sheehan
LINK

[Jelly]

"Sheehan, 48, was the first taken into custody. She smiled as she was carried to the curb, then stood up and walked to a police vehicle while protesters chanted, "The whole world is watching."

God. This woman is just sooo creepy. If I were directing a horror film about seemingly innocent people who are thinly disguised evil monsters (think Kathy Bates in Misery) I'd cast her in the lead role.

[Vashner]

"get troops out of occupied New Orleans!!!!!"

[bigzak25]

what she fails to realize is that HER SON SIGNED THE PAPERS TO ENLIST!!!

WHY DID HE DO IT?

BUSH DIDN'T MAKE HIM!!!

[bigzak25]

my brother is over there right NOW. he and many other brave soldiers have been for a year and longer...

he is scheduled to be back soon, LORD willing...

I pray for him. I pray for them all. I am very proud OF ALL OUR SOLDIERS!!!

Godbless THEM!!!

[Vashner]

What does your brother and his buddies think about Cindy's activities?

[bigzak25]

i dunno...i haven't asked them, and i'm sure they have more important things on their mind...but i will ask him when he returns home, Lord willing...:)

when he was here 6 months ago for a 2 week leave, he mentioned that it was still ugly over there...evil peeps burying mines in the roads and such, but he knows the media is biased...it's not all candy and roses, but it's not all bedlem and chaos...as with most things, the truth is closer to the middle, with the needle starting to point in the roses direction, slowly but surely....

[Big Pimp_21]

What does your brother and his buddies think about Cindy's activities?

I have friends in the Military who think she's an idiot. Most military personnel consider what she's doing a slap in the face. These guys are some of the most gung-ho Americans you can find. As a matter of fact, my friend Jim is pissed that he hasn't been sent to Iraq to see some combat. He's stuck in Afghanistan where stuff has died down for the most part. A majority of these guys believe in the cause they are fighting for. She's an insult.

[bigzak25]

BigPimps report is much as I expected...

I'm sure her son, from up in heaven, as much as he loves his mother, is begging her to stop...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

One of my buds is over there in Baghdad right now. He thought she was an idiot when she was out protesting at Bush's ranch, but said "that's what makes America great - in most other countries someone would have shot her or cut off her head already."

If she was an idiot then when it actually looked like she was upset about her son instead of the left wing mental fuckup she is today, I'm sure he thinks worse of her now.

BTW, this is just one more reason the Republican party will win in '08. Cindy Sheehan is basically the face of the Democratic party today.

[jochhejaam]

She called Bush the the Fuhrer and the biggest terrorist of all time . Sindy also said "is America really worth dying for?" What patriotic sentiments! (When questioned about this later she said she meant Iraq...she's not believable).
Sindy has sold out her sons honor, she's sold out the American people and she and the rest of the lunatic left continues to drag the democratic party deeper into a political polarization of her party. I honestly don't believe the moderate dems can wrest control of their party from the neo-liberals which probably translates into them nominating another flake in 2008. New year, same old model.

[FromWayDowntown]

BTW, this is just one more reason the Republican party will win in '08. Cindy Sheehan is basically the face of the Democratic party today.

Why is it that those to alligned with the GOP keep trying to find a singular personification of the Democratic party? I mean, for the last 18 months, I've been told that the face of the Democratic party is Michael Moore; now I'm told that it's Cindy Sheehan.

Curiously, I'm a Democrat and I know lots of Democrats, and none of us think of either of those individuals as the face of our party. And none of us spend any time trying to find one single person who is the "face" of the Republican party.

Politics is far more nuanced, even on a macro level, to think that such gross generalizations (particularly when pronounced from the opposite party) can be a monolithic view of either party.

[CharlieMac]

She smiles in every single picture. That should say it all.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why is it that those to alligned with the GOP keep trying to find a singular personification of the Democratic party? I mean, for the last 18 months, I've been told that the face of the Democratic party is Michael Moore; now I'm told that it's Cindy Sheehan.

Curiously, I'm a Democrat and I know lots of Democrats, and none of us think of either of those individuals as the face of our party. And none of us spend any time trying to find one single person who is the "face" of the Republican party.

Look, I agree with you that politics is bigger than one person, but the reality of the mainstream media is that every idea, every party, has a "face."

And right now for the face of their party the Democrats are stringing together Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan. Whose next? Osama?

[hussker]

I think Lynndie England should get to guard her...

[jochhejaam]

Why is it that those to alligned with the GOP keep trying to find a singular personification of the Democratic party? I mean, for the last 18 months, I've been told that the face of the Democratic party is Michael Moore; now I'm told that it's Cindy Sheehan.

Curiously, I'm a Democrat and I know lots of Democrats, and none of us think of either of those individuals as the face of our party. And none of us spend any time trying to find one single person who is the "face" of the Republican party.

Politics is far more nuanced, even on a macro level, to think that such gross generalizations (particularly when pronounced from the opposite party) can be a monolithic view of either party.

The democratic party is basically silent about dem. Sindy's antics and that silence speaks vollumes. If the Dem Party agrees with the M. Moores and Sheehans of this world and wishes to be alingned with them fine, if not, say so!
It's the equivalent of Muslim Imams and leaders maintaining silence about the Fanatical Muslim Extremsits. They are silent because they are sympathetic to their cause.

[Trainwreck2100]

"get troops out of occupied New Orleans!!!!!"


Hell yes get them out of there, that place is haunted.

[Nbadan]

Last weekend, Karl Rove said that I was a clown and the antiwar movement was "non-existent." I wonder if the hundreds of thousands of people who showed up today to protest this war and George's failed policies know that they don't exist. It is also so incredible to me that Karl thinks that he can wish us away by saying we aren't real. Well, Karl and Co., we are real, we do exist and we are not going away until this illegal and immoral occupation of Iraq is over and you are sent back to the depths of whatever slimy, dark, and loathsome place you came from. I may be a clown Karl, but you are about to be indicted. You also preside over one of the biggest three ring, malevolent circuses of all time: the Bush administration.

The rally today was overwhelming and powerful. The reports that I was arrested today were obviously false. The peace rally was mostly very peaceful. Washington, DC was filled with energetic and proud Americans who came from all over to raise their voices in unison against the criminals who run our government and their disastrous policies that are making our nation more vulnerable to all kinds of attacks (natural and "Bush" made disasters).

I led the march for peace alongside such venerable activists as the Reverends Al Sharpton, Bob Edgars, and Jesse Jackson, Jr., and Julian Bond. Two of our Congresswomen with cojones from California: Barbara Lee and Lynn Woolsey also led the march.

Many people told me thank you for coming. I want to tell America "thank you!!" At the Camp Casey reunion this evening, I was so overcome with emotion and gratitude that I wanted to hug every citizen of this country. We in the Camp Casey movement are so proud and thrilled that America showed up in such great numbers.

So much happened today! I am exhausted but very content. I am again filled with a renewed sense of hope that we will get our country back and get our troops home. I was also thrilled at the number of young people who came out today. That is another great sign that the side of good is winning.

With the Reverends, we stopped in front of the White House and said a prayer. After the prayer, I said that we are light and they are darkness. Darkness can NEVER overcome the light, ever. As long as there is one spark, the darkness has lost. We will prevail, we will be victorious. The darkness has lost because our beacons of peace and truth are shining for the entire world to see. And it is a very pretty sight. Take that Karl.

Cindy Sheehan, Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindy-sheehan/last-weekend-karl-rove-sa_b_7856.html)

The political winds are a changing. It used to be people used to automatically buy into KKKarl Rove's smear campaign no matter the cause. O'Neil and Wilson are perfect examples, but now, the more Rove and Co try and marginalize Cindy Sheehan and the anti-war movement as nothing but fringe leftist, the more they marginalize themselves as the fringe radical right in the process. People aren't buying the lies anymore.

[Vashner]

KKKarl? Fuck you....
Your the morons that have a former KKK member as a sentor.

[bigzak25]

The political winds are a changing. It used to be people used to automatically buy into KKKarl Rove's smear campaign no matter the cause. O'Neil and Wilson are perfect examples, but now, the more Rove and Co try and marginalize Cindy Sheehan and the anti-war movement as nothing but fringe leftist, the more they marginalize themselves as the fringe radical right in the process. People aren't buying the lies anymore.

dan dan dan....1st off, i think you K button is sticking...and if not, you are the LAST person on this fuckin forum that should be throwing the race card on the table...i'm still trying to figure out which race you are...i'm down to african american or asian...whatever your race, even if your white...you are a disgrace to it. You sir are one of the biggest RACISTS i've ever seen. Get a mirror and Recognize.

let me let you ALL in on a little secret. i may not agree with Mrs. Sheenan's viewpoints, but i know WHY she is doing what she is.

FACT IS, SHE FAILED HER SON AS A MOTHER, and now that he is gone, this is the ONLY WAY she can make herself feel better about her failures...all this shit isn't for her son...it's for her...it's the only way she can sleep at night...it's self therapy, and it's inward hatred directed outward at the easiest target...and I think we all know who that is.

Hell, we've been inundated with Bush hate for 6 years now...it's BIG BUSINESS NOW...BUSH HATE SELLS PAPERS, MAGAZINE, RECORDS (GREEN DAY), MOVIES, ETC, ETC, ETC...makes the libs feel all warm and fuzzy to hate...makes them feel like they are actually doing something...and they wonder what the problem is...what fucking nerve they have...IT'S THEM!!!

[Nbadan]

dan dan dan....1st off, i think you K button is sticking...and if not, you are the LAST person on this fuckin forum that should be throwing the race card on the table...i'm still trying to figure out which race you are...i'm down to african american or asian...whatever your race, even if your white...you are a disgrace to it. You sir are one of the biggest RACISTS i've ever seen. Get a mirror and Recognize

I'll give you that jab for free. Happy Birthday Zak, but I gotta warn ya, your defending evil incarnate in Rove.

[Nbadan]

FACT IS, SHE FAILED HER SON AS A MOTHER, and now that he is gone, this is the ONLY WAY she can make herself feel better about her failures...all this shit isn't for her son...it's for her...it's the only way she can sleep at night...it's self therapy, and it's inward hatred directed outward at the easiest target...and I think we all know who that is.

Or, maybe she really doesn't buy into the dynamic rationale the President keeps using as a noble cause for this war. Doesn't a grieving mother deserve to know why her son had to die? Wouldn't it help bring her closure?

[Nbadan]

Did Cindy Sheehan call the Iraqi Insurgents freedom fighters?


Read the entire quote:

"But now that we have decimated the country, the borders are open, freedom fighters from other countries are going in, and have created more terrorism by going to an Islamic country, devastating the country and killing innocent people in that country. The terrorism is growing and people who never thought of being car bombers or suicide bombers are now doing it because they want the United States of America out of their country."

WorldNetDaily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45938)

If you look at the context, Cindy doesn't JUST call them "freedom fighters" - she also calls what they are doing "terrorism". Between the lines, Cindy is illustrating the concept that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

But of course, discussing the chaotic complexities doesn't serve the agenda of the PRO-WAR political pundits, so they take what she said out of context, spin it, and serve it on a platter in an attempt to label her a "nutcase" or "anti-american".

If it works on you, then you might want to check your thinking skills, because it is only designed to work against shallow thinkers.

[bigzak25]

I'll give you that jab for free. Happy Birthday Zak, but I gotta warn ya, your defending evil incarnate in Rove.

okay, thanks for the freebie man...

i will not defend Rove at this time, because quite honestly, i'm ignorant about the man, his history, and his current actions...so i'll give you that one...i just don't like kkk thrown about liberally (no pun intended).


Or, maybe she really doesn't buy into the dynamic rationale the President keeps using as a noble cause for this war. Doesn't a grieving mother deserve to know why her son had to die? Wouldn't it help bring her closure?

it's not dynamic. yeah, the weapons were bullshit, and that was a collossal fuckup, but the reason has been the same since then...to liberate the iraqi people, to bring peace and stability to the middle east, and yeah, to secure ourselves a piece of the oil pie and have a tactical stronghold if needed, right in the lions den of the middle east. maybe if we can have relations with iraq, then corrupt relations with the saudis can cease and desist....

as for this greiving mother, i'll give her a pass...i cannot pretend to know what it is like to lose a child...and sure, she has a right to disagree, it's America after all...but her son died for His Country. for the reasons stated above...and who chose to serve his country? He did. She needs to snap to the fact. THAT, would help her with closure...as well as forgiving Herself, for any missteps She may have taken along the way...nobody is perfect, and without knowing him, I can say I respect and have love for ANY man or woman that gives their lives serving there country...Godbless him.


Did Cindy Sheehan call the Iraqi Insurgents freedom fighters?



WorldNetDaily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45938)

If you look at the context, Cindy doesn't JUST call them "freedom fighters" - she also calls what they are doing "terrorism". Between the lines, Cindy is illustrating the concept that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

But of course, discussing the chaotic complexities doesn't serve the agenda of the PRO-WAR political pundits, so they take what she said out of context, spin it, and serve it on a platter in an attempt to label her a "nutcase" or "anti-american".

If it works on you, then you might want to check your thinking skills, because it is only designed to work against shallow thinkers.

without admittedly, knowing all the facts myself, I can agree that I THINK the borders are a mess...both here and in iraq. That shit needs to be fixed and for that, I hold GW accountable. Whatever is broke in that regard...FIX IT GW! And many of us conservatives are no more pro-war than liberals are pro-abortion. This war is about saving lives. American, Afghan, and Iraqi.

Blood is spilled on the way...mostly the blood of the bad guys...Godbless the innocents. It is always darkest before the dawn.

[Hook Dem]

"If it works on you, then you might want to check your thinking skills, because it is only designed to work against shallow thinkers."..................Thats an opinion Dan and you're certainly entitled to it, but don't try to pass it off as fact!

[JoeChalupa]

I am not in Cindy's shoes so I will not judge her actions.

[Nbadan]

it's not dynamic. yeah, the weapons were bullshit, and that was a collossal fuckup, but the reason has been the same since then...to liberate the iraqi people, to bring peace and stability to the middle east, and yeah, to secure ourselves a piece of the oil pie and have a tactical stronghold if needed, right in the lions den of the middle east. maybe if we can have relations with iraq, then corrupt relations with the saudis can cease and desist....

Don't you see that this is Utopian thinking? It's the same bullshit thinking that got liberals in trouble in the 60-late 70's, foreign interventionism, thinking that we can intervene in other countries and all the sudden it's was gonna be rainbows and lollipops.

The thinking has always been to use Iraq’s vast reserves as a way to break OPEC’s back, and it would also put Iraqi oil back on the American dollar strengthening the currency, but then the NeoCon’s utopian dream ran into that cold bitch called reality.

The U.S. lost international justification for the war when we failed to find WMD’s and/or any direct link between Saddam and 911, or Iraq and International terrorism. The W.H.’s changing justification for the Iraq war may have flown with some at home, but it didn’t fly anywhere else around the world.

From then on it’s pretty much been the U.S. and the British doing the lion’s share of the fighting and dieing in Iraq. Military strategist continue to suggest that in order to stop the Iraqi insurgency now, the U.S. would need between 350,000-400,000 troops in Iraq, but we don’t have those kind of numbers troops to commit.

If we really want to win in Iraq, the U.S. is gonna need more than just a volunteer Army, but the only other option, isn’t politically expedient.

[Trainwreck2100]

I am not in Cindy's shoes so I will not judge her actions.


Damn right you not cause those be crazy shoes.

[bigzak25]

Don't you see that this is Utopian thinking? It's the same bullshit thinking that got liberals in trouble in the 60-late 70's, foreign interventionism, thinking that we can intervene in other countries and all the sudden it's was gonna be rainbows and lollipops.

The thinking has always been to use Iraq’s vast reserves as a way to break OPEC’s back, and it would also put Iraqi oil back on the American dollar strengthening the currency, but then the NeoCon’s utopian dream ran into that cold bitch called reality.

The U.S. lost international justification for the war when we failed to find WMD’s and/or any direct link between Saddam and 911, or Iraq and International terrorism. The W.H.’s changing justification for the Iraq war may have flown with some at home, but it didn’t fly anywhere else around the world.

From then on it’s pretty much been the U.S. and the British doing the lion’s share of the fighting and dieing in Iraq. Military strategist continue to suggest that in order to stop the Iraqi insurgency now, the U.S. would need between 350,000-400,000 troops in Iraq, but we don’t have those kind of numbers troops to commit.

If we really want to win in Iraq, the U.S. is gonna need more than just a volunteer Army, but the only other option, isn’t politically expedient.

i agree that reality is a cold bitch sometimes. other times, it's a shining light.
it's all about perspective my friend. perhaps my 'utopian' viewpoints are cuz my man is in the whitehouse...i'm sure many libs had the same 'utopian' viewpoint when Bill was there. But FACTS are FACTS. Innocents have died. There were dying before we ever stepped one foot in Iraq. Less are dying today. Even less will die tomorrow. The bad guys are getting squashed like roaches. one at at time...one group at a time. Rome was not built in a day.

As for international JUSTIFICATION? FUCKEM. THAT'S RIGHT..FUCKEM.
They are insecure nations that fear the Power of the United States. Contrary to popular belief, the United States IS NOT abusing it's power and authority here. They are LIBERATING AN OPPRESSED PEOPLE! The other insecure nations are OBLIVIOUS to this FACT! They need to wakeup as well. But more likely, the had CORRUPT interests and dealings with Saddam, and are PISSED that the Iraqi cash machine they had is GONE. Now, if they want something from Iraq? They need to get in line, go through proper channels, channels that will BENEFIT the people, and not just one Dicktator...i.e. Hussein.

As for stopping the 'Insurgency'? 1st of all, i believe it's primarily pissed off Iraqi's that were living high off the hog with Saddam in power and yes, other evil insecure idiots from other countries that are coming to break up the Freedom Party. If Democracy Wins in Iraq? AMERICA WINS. And all the HATERS have to eat crow and ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG! People will DIE to ensure that does not happen...

I hate that the borders are not better controlled. But the more I think about it, the more I kind of like it. The U.S. has built a Roach Motel in Iraq and they are all coming to US! They check in, but they don't check out.
Of course, there is the moral argument of having all this chaos go down in and around innocent Iraqi citizens...I concur. I don't have all the answers, but I KNOW we, as a Nation, are on the RIGHT PATH...take off the blinders and keep the faith man. :tu

[mookie2001]

They are LIBERATING AN OPPRESSED PEOPLE!
that was reason #2
reason #1, disarming Saddam
err...
reason 3
setting up a foothold of democracy in the middle east
err...
reason 4
fighting terrorism
yeah thats good because it can go on forever!

[bigzak25]

mookie, with all due respect, you are in way over your head...Godbless you and keep getting info and stop believing all the bias bullshit that is spoonfed to you...

Disarming Saddam.

Are you aware he killed HIS OWN PEOPLE WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?

This means he had access to said weapons. This mean, ANY one that HATED THE US, could simply arrange a meeting with the man, tell them their plan to Kill Thousands of Americans on American Soil, throw him some cash, and TADA! You now have an ARMED SUICIDAL/HOMICIDAL Maniac on his way to the United States to carry out a misguided plan, all while Saddam could sit back, rape, kill, etc, and Laugh at the United States predicament.

but hey, it's good to know that you think Democracy, Liberation, and Fighting Terrorism as NOT GOOD ENOUGH REASONS to be in Iraq. it's good to know where you Stand man. Keep learning. You are young. The TRUTH is out there bro. :tu

[mookie2001]

we've got a lot of invading to do if thats your logic

[bigzak25]

i'm not naive enough to disregard the presence of OIL in IRAQ.

Money is ALWAYS a factor in things like this...

If you can do GREAT Things on the way to ensuring a better and more secure future for America, which is Bush's ULTIMATE Responsibility, all the better. :tu

but I do agree, there is NO REASON why ANY PEOPLE SHOULD BE OPPRESSED in this World. I have hope...but One thing at a time...:tu

[Vashner]

Of course.. Somalia is crawling with radical Islam and Al queda.. I even think Osama is staying with a warlord.. (they have total control, no media and no govt)..

But no oil means see ya.. and that applies to both Bush and Clinton...

[Extra Stout]

but hey, it's good to know that you think Democracy, Liberation, and Fighting Terrorism as NOT GOOD ENOUGH REASONS to be in Iraq. it's good to know where you Stand man. Keep learning. You are young. The TRUTH is out there bro.Where we the American people, and Bush in particular, really screw things up is when we assume that people everywhere want to be free.

It's not true. Most people in the world, even many Americans, are perfectly happy being told what to do as long as they have their own place in the world. What people yearn for is to belong somewhere. It's perfectly nice when GWB says that freedom is a gift from God, but the only freedom that is spoken of in the Bible is freedom from the power of sin. It says nothing about living in a free country.

You can't develop a culture that values freedom and democracy overnight. It takes centuries. The Middle East is at square one. In Iraq, people are paralyzed because there is nobody telling them what to do unless American soldiers do it, and they have no concept of taking initiative for themselves. Initiative means risk, risk means the chance of failure, failure means loss of face, loss of face means dishonor for the entire family, and dishonor means ostracism.

We have no concept of these things in our culture. We don't understand their values, just like they don't understand ours. We might as well speak only English while they speak only Arabic and act surprised when they don't understand what we say.

Assuming things go perfect from here on out, we might see a stable moderate democracy in Iraq sometime in the 24 1/2th Century, when Dakk Al-Dahdjers is elected prime minister.

[xrayzebra]

mookie, with all due respect, you are in way over your head...Godbless you and keep getting info and stop believing all the bias bullshit that is spoonfed to you...

Disarming Saddam.

Are you aware he killed HIS OWN PEOPLE WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?

This means he had access to said weapons. This mean, ANY one that HATED THE US, could simply arrange a meeting with the man, tell them their plan to Kill Thousands of Americans on American Soil, throw him some cash, and TADA! You now have an ARMED SUICIDAL/HOMICIDAL Maniac on his way to the United States to carry out a misguided plan, all while Saddam could sit back, rape, kill, etc, and Laugh at the United States predicament.

but hey, it's good to know that you think Democracy, Liberation, and Fighting Terrorism as NOT GOOD ENOUGH REASONS to be in Iraq. it's good to know where you Stand man. Keep learning. You are young. The TRUTH is out there bro. :tu

There you go again trying to use reasoning with someone who has none. Don't you know according to him and Dan that WMD never existed in Iraq, that was a figment of Bush's on thinking. No one else thought of it. Now those Kurds that died of some strange thing, no one really knows for sure anymore, just killed over and died clutching their children or lay down and died in the streets. The Iranians did the same, no WMD involved, none did you hear me......N O N E. They didn't exist, never, never, never. Just quit saying they did. Bush just wants oil and employment for Hailliburton. He wants to appoint people who want to destroy the United States and are not qualified, well except Roberts, who is already replacing a conservative. But the next Supreme will have to fit the O'Conner mold. Some real logic in their thinking, isn't there?

[ChumpDumper]

Are you aware he killed HIS OWN PEOPLE WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?Yeah, and we tolerated that just like we tolerated his using them on Iranian soldiers and citizens 20 years ago. Where was the righteousness then?
This means he had access to said weapons. This mean, ANY one that HATED THE US, could simply arrange a meeting with the man, tell them their plan to Kill Thousands of Americans on American Soil, throw him some cash, and TADA! You now have an ARMED SUICIDAL/HOMICIDAL Maniac on his way to the United States to carry out a misguided plan, all while Saddam could sit back, rape, kill, etc, and Laugh at the United States predicament.So, where are the WMDs now?

[whottt]

They are LIBERATING AN OPPRESSED PEOPLE

:lmao

You are trying to sell a Democrat on the Iraq War in the name of Liberating an Opressed people?

That's almost as funny as when Lincoln tried to appeal to them to end slavery to Liberate the Black people...

Their response was to secede from the Union and found the KKK :lol

LOL sorry Zak...I like your political views, but I don't think you understand who you are dealing with here...


What in the world makes you think the Democrats give a fuck about liberating opressed people?

When and where have they ever done anything to indicate they care about this?

They have never given a fuck about liberating opressed people...

They didn't want slavery to end.
They didn't care about what happened to the millions of Vienamese and Cambodians that were brutally slaughtered after we pulled out of Vietnam...they still don't care.

In fact they're proud of it actully and continually use it as justification for their stance on this war.

And they don't give a fuck about the Iraqis now. They do not give a fuck...not a one of them...if you can find one that does please show him to me.


I take that back....they give a fuck about them when they are actually the terrorists and their deaths provide them with a chance to attack and discredit the US military and America.

But they have never given a fuck about living opressesed people as anything more than lip service and minority votes that are easily manipulated...and if anything they have usually stood for the oppression.

And now you are asking them, not only to give a fuck about opressed people....but to do that instead of hating and blaming Bush for something?

You are crazier than Nbadan my friend if you think there is a chance in hell of that happening.

[Dos]

But no oil means see ya.. and that applies to both Bush and Clinton...

this is true in times of war you protect your strategic energy supplies...

any intelligence analyst will tell you that.

[Hook Dem]

:lmao

You are trying to sell a Democrat on the Iraq War in the name of Liberating an Opressed people?

That's almost as funny as when Lincoln tried to appeal to them to end slavery to Liberate the Black people...

Their response was to secede from the Union and found the KKK :lol

LOL sorry Zak...I like your political views, but I don't think you understand who you are dealing with here...


What in the world makes you think the Democrats give a fuck about liberating opressed people?

When and where have they ever done anything to indicate they care about this?

They have never given a fuck about liberating opressed people...

They didn't want slavery to end.
They didn't care about what happened to the millions of Vienamese and Cambodians that were brutally slaughtered after we pulled out of Vietnam...they still don't care.

In fact they're proud of it actully and continually use it as justification for their stance on this war.

And they don't give a fuck about the Iraqis now. They do not give a fuck...not a one of them...if you can find one that does please show him to me.


I take that back....they give a fuck about them when they are actually the terrorists and their deaths provide them with a chance to attack and discredit the US military and America.

But they have never given a fuck about living opressesed people as anything more than lip service and minority votes that are easily manipulated...and if anything they have usually stood for the oppression.

And now you are asking them, not only to give a fuck about opressed people....but to do that instead of hating and blaming Bush for something?

You are crazier than Nbadan my friend if you think there is a chance in hell of that happening.
"And thats the way it is Wed. Sept, 28th, 2005....good evening" :lol

[bigzak25]

:lmao

You are trying to sell a Democrat on the Iraq War in the name of Liberating an Opressed people?

That's almost as funny as when Lincoln tried to appeal to them to end slavery to Liberate the Black people...

Their response was to secede from the Union and found the KKK :lol

LOL sorry Zak...I like your political views, but I don't think you understand who you are dealing with here...


What in the world makes you think the Democrats give a fuck about liberating opressed people?

When and where have they ever done anything to indicate they care about this?

They have never given a fuck about liberating opressed people...

They didn't want slavery to end.
They didn't care about what happened to the millions of Vienamese and Cambodians that were brutally slaughtered after we pulled out of Vietnam...they still don't care.

In fact they're proud of it actully and continually use it as justification for their stance on this war.

And they don't give a fuck about the Iraqis now. They do not give a fuck...not a one of them...if you can find one that does please show him to me.


I take that back....they give a fuck about them when they are actually the terrorists and their deaths provide them with a chance to attack and discredit the US military and America.

But they have never given a fuck about living opressesed people as anything more than lip service and minority votes that are easily manipulated...and if anything they have usually stood for the oppression.

And now you are asking them, not only to give a fuck about opressed people....but to do that instead of hating and blaming Bush for something?

You are crazier than Nbadan my friend if you think there is a chance in hell of that happening.


whottt, you have alot of truth in your post, but what you have to remember is that there are idiots on both sides. Do not let the voices of the lost Liberals, who admittedly, are usually the loudest, cloud your viewpoint on all the Good People that are on the Democratic/Liberal side of the fence...

we are all the same...but those that scream how different we are the loudest are those that have the most go gain from maintaining those differences...sad, but true.

Look at all the Angels that have been sent down that have fallen at the hands of Evil Men...

MLK...killed.
JFK...killed.
Lennon...killed.
Lincoln...killed.


Many legendary artists that killed themselves with drugs...

Belushi,
Farley,
Elvis,
Mitch Hedburg,
ALMOST HAD RAY CHARLES, BUT THAT BRUTHA BEAT HIS DEMON!
many many more, i'm sure you can think of others in your head...

but don't listen to the idiots...laff at their amusing hatred, and cry for them as lost souls...help show them the way...

nbaDan is not Crazy. He is just hurt. He has alot of pain and resentment in his life and he chooses to express it outwardly. WE ALL do this sometimes...he'll wake up soon.

[xrayzebra]

The U.S. lost international justification for the war when we failed to find WMD’s and/or any direct link between Saddam and 911, or Iraq and International terrorism. The W.H.’s changing justification for the Iraq war may have flown with some at home, but it didn’t fly anywhere else around the world.

You mean like food for oil program, where it has been shown that Germany and France were up to their eyebrows with the corruption of the program, along with the most of the higher-ups of the UN.

[bigzak25]

halliburton


Freedom.

[Nbadan]

nbaDan is not Crazy. He is just hurt. He has alot of pain and resentment in his life and he chooses to express it outwardly. WE ALL do this sometimes...he'll wake up soon.

:lol

Being called Crazy by BigZak - priceless!

[bigzak25]

:lol

Being called Crazy by BigZak - priceless!


Dan, you see what you want to see. Read again.

I said you are NOT crazy.

I'm your friend brother, not your enemy.

You are helping me to see another viewpoint on many things and for that, I am grateful. :tu

I obviously won't always agree, but I will read and learn as best I can. Thanks. :)

[JoeChalupa]

Cindy is an American!

[Dos]

just a few democratic thoughts...

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a
licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten
the United
States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others,
December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction
and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept.. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam H ussein is seeking and developing
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
that a deadly arsenal o f weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real
and
grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively
to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the
next five y ears ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
chemical and biologica l weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
also
given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members
. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare,
and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam
Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
the pr oduction and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
.. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real
.."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

SO NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES???
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Procrastinator]

The Iraq war sucks.

[SpursWoman]

Forget it, Dos ... the power of selective memory is fierce and impenetrable. :fro

[Nbadan]

Forget it, Dos ... the power of selective memory is fierce and impenetrable. :fro

Umm, no. Everyone was getting their information from the same sources, the CIA, that much is true, but only one branch of Government was actively involved in the analysis of that information and interpolating what it meant.