World Cup Qualifiers

[apalisoc_9]

Luckily for South America they play the playoffs against Oceania....a sure shot win.

[140]

btw, why the fuck does israel play the european qualifiers?

[apalisoc_9]

btw, why the fuck does israel play the european qualifiers?

Too much hostility if the played in Asia. Also lets be honest, Majority of people in Isarel are European Jews who immigrated to Israel after Britain handed them Palestine..

Turkey should also be playing in Asia, tbh. Istanbul (constantinople) is really the only geographically Euopean city. 95% of Turkey is Asia and your typical turk acts like a central Asian culturally anway.

[Canyonero]

btw, why the fuck does israel play the european qualifiers?

Because in the early times, Muslim countries refused to play against them so Asia qualifiers were kinda gay (they even qualified once for the WC without playing a single match, but FIFA stopped it). That's why in the 90s Israel was moved to UEFA.

[apalisoc_9]

Because in the early times, Muslim countries refused to play against them so Asia qualifiers were kinda gay (they even qualified once for the WC without playing a single match, but FIFA stopped it). That's why in the 90s Israel was moved to UEFA.

What happens in Argentina if you guys dobt qualify?

Crazy thing about South America, there's really only two pushover teams. You go on a tough streak and get like 2 points in three games and you're fucked. Makes it extremely likely for top teams to not qualify.

In Europe they have so many groups that in every group, there at least three pushover teams. Even if you fuck up, best second place is still your most likely outcome.

Imagine Brazil not making it too..

[Relevancy]

The South American zone is the toughest by far. There are no weak teams, it used to be Venezuela but they are good too now.It probably is but that doesn't mean it's pleasing to watch, most of the time teams play rugby football tbh.. It isn't just that they hit a lot, most teams take major precautions by defending with their lifes and they don't let games get open.. take Argentina for example, a team that has a lot of good players but as a team I don't know when was the last time they played great pleasing football tbh.

[Relevancy]

6-1 tbhStill an ass kicking, and it was against B:lollivia.

[DAF86]

It probably is but that doesn't mean it's pleasing to watch, most of the time teams play rugby football tbh.. It isn't just that they hit a lot, most teams take major precautions by defending with their lifes and they don't let games get open.. take Argentina for example, a team that has a lot of good players but as a team I don't know when was the last time they played great pleasing football tbh.

The fuck son? Just a couple of months agc we were talking about how entertaining the Copa America was and how boring the Eurocup was. :lol

[DAF86]

Still an ass kicking, and it was against B:lollivia.

Games in La Paz don't count, tbh.

[Canyonero]

Still an ass kicking, and it was against B:lollivia.

Height issue + Maradona coaching tbh

[140]

Height issue + Maradona coaching tbh
Yep, misty being a midget + refusing to follow DieGOAT's lead was the main reason for that defeat tbh

[lefty]

Yep, misty being a midget + refusing to follow DieGOAT's lead was the main reason for that defeat tbh
Exactly

[lefty]

Years after a scandal saw more than a dozen Salvadoran players banned for life, El Salvador's current national team spoke out against an offer made to players this weekend.

El Salvador players made public accusations Monday that they were approached by a businessman who offered to pay players for each moment they were leading, tied or even losing 1-0 in Tuesday's World Cup qualification match against Canada.
The game has serious implications for the Hex, the final round of World Cup qualification in the CONCACAF region. While El Salvador is eliminated, Canada must beat La Selecta by a large margin or Honduras will advance. Honduras also will advance if its able to get a win or draw against Mexico in the Estadio Azteca, regardless of the result of El Salvador and Canada's game.
With his teammates sitting behind him, El Salvador forward Nelson Bonilla told reporters that players were approached Saturday night at the team's hotel by a Salvadoran businessman, Ricardo Padilla, who had an offer from a Honduran friend to present the players.
Bonilla then played the recording, where Padilla, can be heard explaining a scheme
"The first proposal is the following: $30 for minute played and match won. This would be $2,700 if you play the 90 minutes. If you play 50 minutes, it's $1,500, if you play 60 minutes it's $1,800," Padilla says. The man later outlines that he would pay $20 for each minute of a tie and $15 for each minute of a 1-0 defeat.
Five players are heard on the recording and after the initial proposal, they ask questions, including who the person putting up the money is and why the payments would change if the team was defeated.
El Salvador had 14 players banned for life in 2013 after investigation into a match manipulation scandal revealed evidence that players had altered results in various competitions.
"I think here the majority of us are worried because of what's happened, and nobody wants..." one player says before Padilla interrupts him, saying, "No, listen, wait. Match manipulation is when they pay you because you'll lose, but there's nothing like that here."
"But you said if we lose 1-0, you'd still pay us," another player points out. "They'd be beating us."
The players continue to express concern about the offer while the man elaborates. The recording closes with a player saying, "We thank you for the time you took to come here to make this proposal, but nobody accepts it. Tell your friend to be calm, that we're going to do what we can to win."
After playing the recording Bonilla read a statement, saying "With respect to what we just heard, we want to make clear that we’re against this anything like this act. We want to be very transparent in front of the public about anything happening with the national team and want to disassociate ourselves from whatever bad impression this event could cause."
Padilla, the ex-president of Salvadoran club Alianza, admitted to reporters in El Salvador that he made the offer, corroborating the numbers from the tape, and said he wasn't concerned about the implications.
"What they will see doesn't worry me," he said. "If someone wants to see it in a bad light, they will and they who wants to see it positively, they will."
Padilla also confirmed the players' account that nobody accepted the offer.

[lefty]

Ricardo Padilla the man that spoke to the players responded on a radio show:
Source: http://www.edhdeportes.com/articulo/selecta/ricardo-padilla-pinto-pueblo-esta-cansado-que-nos-gane-todo-mundo-124376
Translation:
RP: I congratulate them for releasing the audio clip. However I will say they recorded me without my consent and if that's illegal I will get a lawyer if that's illegal, I don't know.
Radio Host: So now that you are confirming this tape is real, the deal was real as well?
RP: The deal was real, is something wrong with it?
Radio Host: No, I'm asking. So the deal is real.
RP: Yes it's real. And I came in through the big door (of the hotel). I invited Ismael Molaco, I told the players to invite the cops, the fiscal people and the President of the major league.
Radio Host: So you're saying you're the middle man for the Honduran businessman?
RP: No, no there is no Honduran businessman. Listen, a player said, the deal I was making was going to favor Honduras. He said that, listen to the clip. So then I, in order to go with the flow, said yes it's, it's, I don't know what I said. Its a Honduran businessman, friend of mine. But I said it jokingly.
Radio Host: So you're saying it's a deal that just involves you, not the businessman.
RP: yes just mine. I used to do the same with Allianca (was President of local club Allianca). Verify it with the players. Also against Mexico I offered the deal.
Radio Host: The deal was the same against Mexico
RP: No it was less. The reason why being that we were going to lose against Mexico but not by much. So the deal for Mexico was either to best Mexico or draw
Radio Host: So in either case they declined.
RP: No, I will explain how it went against Mexico. The deal was through the academy, I never talked to the players. Is there something wrong with it?
Radio Host: No, I mean you weren't involved with the deal against Mexico. You weren't the one that met the players against Mexico.
RP: No I spoke to Neto Paricio. But it's the truth I always pre-pay. I always pay my debts. This time I met with the players because the people are tired of losing against everyone. I'm tired and I have spent so much money in soccer. It's not new, I always have paid my players. I have never played the lotto, never been a middle man, I'm not easily bought. I've worked I'm 74, worked all my life to get places. What happened was someone recorded it, I will talk to a lawyer tomorrow, if it's illegal I will sue. I told them call the cops I haven't done anything illegal. The only reason they released it was because they are trying to cover their asses just in case they lose.

[Canyonero]

Yep, misty being a midget + refusing to follow DieGOAT's lead was the main reason for that defeat tbh

Shitty coaching killing Alphanel per par.

[urunobili]

son there is no escape from taking 7 goals in a knock out game .. accept it.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UQxSkOaeVs0/VNpax8kdLQI/AAAAAAAAHX0/zFVAWv_E_5Q/s1600/image.jpg

[apalisoc_9]

Years after a scandal saw more than a dozen Salvadoran players banned for life, El Salvador's current national team spoke out against an offer made to players this weekend.

El Salvador players made public accusations Monday that they were approached by a businessman who offered to pay players for each moment they were leading, tied or even losing 1-0 in Tuesday's World Cup qualification match against Canada.
The game has serious implications for the Hex, the final round of World Cup qualification in the CONCACAF region. While El Salvador is eliminated, Canada must beat La Selecta by a large margin or Honduras will advance. Honduras also will advance if its able to get a win or draw against Mexico in the Estadio Azteca, regardless of the result of El Salvador and Canada's game.
With his teammates sitting behind him, El Salvador forward Nelson Bonilla told reporters that players were approached Saturday night at the team's hotel by a Salvadoran businessman, Ricardo Padilla, who had an offer from a Honduran friend to present the players.
Bonilla then played the recording, where Padilla, can be heard explaining a scheme
"The first proposal is the following: $30 for minute played and match won. This would be $2,700 if you play the 90 minutes. If you play 50 minutes, it's $1,500, if you play 60 minutes it's $1,800," Padilla says. The man later outlines that he would pay $20 for each minute of a tie and $15 for each minute of a 1-0 defeat.
Five players are heard on the recording and after the initial proposal, they ask questions, including who the person putting up the money is and why the payments would change if the team was defeated.
El Salvador had 14 players banned for life in 2013 after investigation into a match manipulation scandal revealed evidence that players had altered results in various competitions.
"I think here the majority of us are worried because of what's happened, and nobody wants..." one player says before Padilla interrupts him, saying, "No, listen, wait. Match manipulation is when they pay you because you'll lose, but there's nothing like that here."
"But you said if we lose 1-0, you'd still pay us," another player points out. "They'd be beating us."
The players continue to express concern about the offer while the man elaborates. The recording closes with a player saying, "We thank you for the time you took to come here to make this proposal, but nobody accepts it. Tell your friend to be calm, that we're going to do what we can to win."
After playing the recording Bonilla read a statement, saying "With respect to what we just heard, we want to make clear that we’re against this anything like this act. We want to be very transparent in front of the public about anything happening with the national team and want to disassociate ourselves from whatever bad impression this event could cause."
Padilla, the ex-president of Salvadoran club Alianza, admitted to reporters in El Salvador that he made the offer, corroborating the numbers from the tape, and said he wasn't concerned about the implications.
"What they will see doesn't worry me," he said. "If someone wants to see it in a bad light, they will and they who wants to see it positively, they will."
Padilla also confirmed the players' account that nobody accepted the offer.

Fucking Canada..Watched every canada game in the qualifiers..what a waste of time. It's like canada fields 11 defenders there. No one nows how to score or even create chances.

[lefty]

Fucking Canada..Watched every canada game in the qualifiers..what a waste of time. It's like canada fields 11 defenders there. No one nows how to score or even create chances.

But why did u watch that tbh?

[lefty]

:lol France

[Canyonero]

Cavani :wow

[ElNono]

:lmao Argentina
:lmao Banegas
:lmao Biglia
:lmao Lamela
:lmao R:lolj:lol

[Canyonero]

Good goal tbh

[DAF86]

Argentina without Messi :lmao

[DAF86]

Fucking Venezuela. The easiest away game of the entire qualifiers and these fuckers can't take advantage of it without GOG holding their handa. :lmao

[Canyonero]

Di Maria should pull one of his best moves/injuries tbh

[ElNono]

they're all horrible... that Pratto dude so doesn't belong there... where's Icardi?

[Canyonero]

they're all horrible... that Pratto dude so doesn't belong there... where's Icardi?

Taking care of dem wives
urunobili celebrating dat Cavani hattrick

[ElNono]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[DAF86]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[ElNono]

but but that defense :lmao

[ElNono]

:lol Rojo can't center for shit... lmao such a terrible player

[Canyonero]

Looking forward to those sports shows.

[Canyonero]

Pratto :lmao

[DAF86]

There you go. Cmon fuckers, as much as I would like to shit on the lame Messi trolls this qualifiers are way too tight to be gifting points. Specially easy ones as these.

[Canyonero]

I think Venezuelan players were promised free toilet paper if they won tbh.

[ElNono]

:lol After sucking in the Olympics, Correa gets rewarded.... smh

[Canyonero]

:lol Venezuelan "injuries"

[ElNono]

:lmao Rojo leaves and we tie the game...

[Canyonero]

Otamendi :cry

[DAF86]

Needing a set piece to tie with fucking Venezuela. :lmao

Now go win this shit you worthless motherfuckers.

[ElNono]

that pussy Gaitan out there again... we don't have any other players?

[ElNono]

:lmao Romero

[Canyonero]

R:lolmer:lol

[lefty]

Damn if Misty was playing it would be 7-0 for Venezuela

[DAF86]

We gonna lose 2 pts against these fucking fuckers. :lmao

[ElNono]

this is like tying against San Marino, tbh.... disgraceful

[DAF86]

tough schedule tbh

Add Venezuela to the tough schedule son. :lmao

[Canyonero]

This is worse than losing against Mexico/Algeria tbh

[DAF86]

Argentina without GOD can't beat a bunch of toilet paper beggers :lol

[lefty]

:lol good thing Misty wasn't playing tbh, it would have been much worse for Argentina

[Relevancy]

The fuck son? Just a couple of months agc we were talking about how entertaining the Copa America was and how boring the Eurocup was. :lolthe final was shit tier once again son.. Just like the 2015 Copa America, yes players gave it their 100% by running and defending but that doesn't translate to pleasing football in my opinion, you guys have the goat in your team and no coach has managed to make players play for him.. You guys wasted Messis prime son, I've watched the majority of Argentina games because of Messi and the best football you guys played was under sabella in the conmebol elimination before the 2014 WC.

[Relevancy]

Games in La Paz don't count, tbh.that's where Messi has vomittes a lot of times so the elevation is no joke there.

[dfens]

netherlands :lol these niggas are already shaking
Brazil .. any game in belarus is tough son, check the previous qualifiers.

spain and italy in the same group ... with albania, israel, macedonia and lichtensten ... talk about fucked :lmao

ex yugoslavian countries have already totaled 8 points .. imagine these niggas having a single team :wow

also https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/jul/19/mclaren-report-russia-world-cup-ioc you can bet the russians are hardcore roiding, I pity the teams that will have to run against them :lol

[urunobili]

Argentina without Messi = Uruguay TBH

[urunobili]

I have to get this off my chest. I'm SO glad that Cagani didn't score a hat trick. He's trash without top 3 all time 9 Suarez feeding him. All the hype about his "sacrifice" when he helps on D and that was the only way Tabarez would give him minutes at all for 4 years. When he is the 9 of reference he is WAY worse than Piguaín on finals, WAY worse...

Ok thanks for being there for me I had to say this shit...

[Canyonero]

Cavani > Ruben Paz

[diego]

But Daf it's just one game, anything can happen!
Nevermind that it's the coaches second game, that he was forced to change two starters, or that we ended up tying. We're just terrible without Messi, even though our best result so far these qualys was without him (win away at Colombia)

And Ps: the only time in history Venezuela beat Argentina, Messi played.

[urunobili]

oh and it'd a mirage that Uruguay is leading the qualifiers... I'd make a bet that they will be fighting for the 5th spot with 2 matches left...

[urunobili]

Cavani > Ruben Paz

Maybe as a finisher... Ruben Paz was a physical bull on the midfield with skills...
God mode Ruben Sosa = Suarez though...
God mode Suarez = Bati

[Canyonero]

Maybe as a finisher... Ruben Paz was a physical bull on the midfield with skills...
God mode Ruben Sosa = Suarez though...
God mode Suarez = Bati

Cavani > Ghiggia then

[lefty]

:wow last minte of Bulgaria vs Luxembourg:lol

https://streamable.com/wio0?t=4.2

[140]

But Daf it's just one game, anything can happen!
Nevermind that it's the coaches second game, that he was forced to change two starters, or that we ended up tying. We're just terrible without Messi, even though our best result so far these qualys was without him (win away at Colombia)

And Ps: the only time in history Venezuela beat Argentina, Messi played.
:wow

[urunobili]

Cavani > Ghiggia then
never saw Ghiggia play son.

Scoring the winning goal to ring with the NT is something not even Maradona accomplished son

[140]

773345726042632192

rest of the world = f:lolcked

[Canyonero]

:lol getting hyped for beating Colombia

[Canyonero]

https://k60.kn3.net/taringa/4/6/7/3/E/D/vagonettas/888.gif
ElNono :lol:lol

[DAF86]

But Daf it's just one game, anything can happen!
Nevermind that it's the coaches second game, that he was forced to change two starters, or that we ended up tying. We're just terrible without Messi, even though our best result so far these qualys was without him (win away at Colombia)

And Ps: the only time in history Venezuela beat Argentina, Messi played.

Without Messi: 6 out of 15 pts 40% of eff. out of qualifying spots
With Messi: 9 out of 9 100% of eff. on qualifying spots.

The fuck kind of retarded point are you trying to make: that we are better without Messi? All the other folks have the excuse of trolling, you don't son. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

But Daf it's just one game, anything can happen!
Nevermind that it's the coaches second game, that he was forced to change two starters, or that we ended up tying. We're just terrible without Messi, even though our best result so far these qualys was without him (win away at Colombia)

And Ps: the only time in history Venezuela beat Argentina, Messi played.

Boom.
DAF86

[Relevancy]

Argentinians be honest plz, you guys are insecure of Brazil right because they are from South America too and they have more rich history than you guys and plus have produced many more great players? Or am I wrong and someone might wanna educate me.

Brazilians belittle you guys, Argentina belittles nations like Mexico, and Mexico belittles Honduras/El Salvador kek, so everyone belittles each other.

[Canyonero]

Argentinians be honest plz, you guys are insecure of Brazil right because they are from South America too and they have more rich history than you guys and plus have produced many more great players? Or am I wrong and someone might wanna educate me.

Brazilians belittle you guys, Argentina belittles nations like Mexico, and Mexico belittles Honduras/El Salvador kek, so everyone belittles each other.

No son, I don't know where you get that retarded argument. By "more rich history" you only mean WC wins right? because if not then you seriously need to grab some football history books tbh. About producing more good players NEA considering they have 5x times our population.

And :lol saying Brazil belittles us, that just shows your complete ignorance regarding our clásico.

[Relevancy]

No son, I don't know where you get that retarded argument. By "more rich history" you only mean WC wins right? because if not then you seriously need to grab some football history books tbh. About producing more good players NEA considering they have 5x times our population.

And :lol saying Brazil belittles us, that just shows your complete ignorance regarding our clásico.Just asking because I've seen a few Argentinians here and there speak in a insecure manner whenever Brazil is brought to the discussion, but it might be dumb on my part to generalize tbh.

[lefty]

Carlos Ruiz = GOAT

[Canyonero]

Just asking because I've seen a few Argentinians here and there speak in a insecure manner whenever Brazil is brought to the discussion, but it might be dumb on my part to generalize tbh.

Give us names.

[ElNono]

https://k60.kn3.net/taringa/4/6/7/3/E/D/vagonettas/888.gif
ElNono :lol:lol

legit shit... so tired of that choker

[diego]

Di Maria right now is neither a forward or a midfielder, ever since he left real he's gone to shit. I would like to see mudo Vázquez given a chance in his spot, Messi needs a playmaker and neither banega, Gaitán or dybala fill that role (though I do prefer banega to biglia, and Gaitán and dybala are good options to play off Messi well)

[ElNono]

Gaitan is shit, tbh... call up el pity martinez, try some new, young blood... Biglia and Lamela are stealing a spot right now... Pratto is a sub at most... Rojo needs to go...

If you want to go full Bilardo, something like this would work:



Romero

Zabaleta - Otamendi - Cuesta - Funes Mori - Mas

Dybala - Mascherano - Pity Martinez

Messi

Icardi


If you want a more offensive 4-3-3:



Romero

Zabaleta - Otamendi - Funes Mori - Mas

Banegas - Mascherano - Pity Martinez

Messi - Icardi - Dybala


If you want a more defensive 4-3-3:



Romero

Zabaleta - Otamendi - Funes Mori - Mas

Banegas - Mascherano - Kranevitter

Messi - Icardi - Dybala


A 4-4-2 to hold on to the ball:



Romero

Zabaleta - Otamendi - Funes Mori - Mas

Banegas - Mascherano - Kranevitter - Augusto Fernandez

Messi - Icardi


Not even sold on Romero either, tbh, but I can't think of another keeper at the moment.

Di Maria needs not to be called up for a few games, so he gets the picture he's not a lock to make the team and needs to work his ass off again.

[apalisoc_9]

Did Pastore quit? He'd be like the perfect xavi for messi. Creative and composed midfielder. I bet messi hates him cause he demands the ball..

That Gaitan dude is awful...

Higuin is still the best calcio forward. They really need to beg him to come back...

They also need to bench Rojo..that guy cant cross for shit. Ive seen players in thiland 2nd division that can cross the ball better...Hes a great defender though..maybe have him as an indurance cb or defensive full back.

[urunobili]

https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/14232369_547134918808554_1417665885424176263_n.jpg ?oh=a9ff1fbf542d99511ed90bd620aefcb1&oe=584C5A7D

[Canyonero]

:lol pity Martinez.

[ElNono]

:lol pity Martinez.

what's wrong with him? We're full of guys like Pastore that are all name but can't play for shit in the NT... Martino gave Pastore a bigger role early and he shrunk... that's why Lamela is there, and Lamela is pecho frio too..

start giving other people a shot, IMO. I mean, why did we change the coach? are we gonna call lavezzi back too?

[Brazil]

netherlands :lol these niggas are already shaking
Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466) .. any game in belarus is tough son, check the previous qualifiers.

spain and italy in the same group ... with albania, israel, macedonia and lichtensten ... talk about fucked :lmao

ex yugoslavian countries have already totaled 8 points .. imagine these niggas having a single team :wow

also https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/jul/19/mclaren-report-russia-world-cup-ioc you can bet the russians are hardcore roiding, I pity the teams that will have to run against them :lol

That draw between Netherlands and Sweden is great tbh... Would not surprise me to see a lot of teams breaking their teeth in Belarus

[Brazil]

Argentina without Messi = Uruguay TBH

:lol ok

[Brazil]

773345726042632192

rest of the world = f:lolcked

:lol

rest of the world remembering the 7 to 1 :lmao

[Brazil]

German coach at half time: "guys, let's try to be nice in second half. They are all on the verge of crying. Oh and if you see they have an opportunity to score one let them do so"


:lmao

[Canyonero]

what's wrong with him? We're full of guys like Pastore that are all name but can't play for shit in the NT... Martino gave Pastore a bigger role early and he shrunk... that's why Lamela is there, and Lamela is pecho frio too..

start giving other people a shot, IMO. I mean, why did we change the coach? are we gonna call lavezzi back too?

Es lo más falopa de Argentina tbh.

[Relevancy]

Give us names.names that don't hold weight, some Argentinian talk show guy. Thanks for educating me though, it's important to learn new things everyday.

[DAF86]

Di Maria right now is neither a forward or a midfielder, ever since he left real he's gone to shit. I would like to see mudo Vázquez given a chance in his spot, Messi needs a playmaker and neither banega, Gaitán or dybala fill that role (though I do prefer banega to biglia, and Gaitán and dybala are good options to play off Messi well)

Mudo Vasquez :lmao

Either way, he has played for Italy so we can't have him.













































Mudo Vasquez, shiiit. :lol

[DAF86]

Did Pastore quit? He'd be like the perfect xavi for messi. Creative and composed midfielder. I bet messi hates him cause he demands the ball..

That Gaitan dude is awful...

Higuin is still the best calcio forward. They really need to beg him to come back...

They also need to bench Rojo..that guy cant cross for shit. Ive seen players in thiland 2nd division that can cross the ball better...Hes a great defender though..maybe have him as an indurance cb or defensive full back.

Pastore is an overrated pussy.

[DAF86]

what's wrong with him? We're full of guys like Pastore that are all name but can't play for shit in the NT... Martino gave Pastore a bigger role early and he shrunk... that's why Lamela is there, and Lamela is pecho frio too..

start giving other people a shot, IMO. I mean, why did we change the coach? are we gonna call lavezzi back too?

Martinez is utter shit son. He's doing a little better now but he's no NT material. Dude has litterally no brain.

[DAF86]

Martino showed some signs of heading into the right direction. That 4-2-3-1 he put on the Copa America, 'till everyone got injured, was playing pretty well. That should be the team. The base of the team that got the best winning % of all the teams in the last 4 international competitions. Folks should stop acting like little bitches and overreacting to those penalty shootouts eliminations.


Romero/Rulli

Mercado Otamendi F.Mori Vangioni/Rojo

Banega Mascherano

Augusto/Dybala Messi Di María

Higuian

[Canyonero]

Mudo Vasquez :lmao

Either way, he has played for Italy so we can't have him.













































Mudo Vasquez, shiiit. :lol

He can play for Argentina because all his Italian caps were for friendlies and FIFA allows the change in this case.

[ElNono]

Martino showed some signs of heading into the right direction. That 4-2-3-1 he put on the Copa America, 'till everyone got injured, was playing pretty well. That should be the team. The base of the team that got the best winning % of all the teams in the last 4 international competitions. Folks should stop acting like little bitches and overreacting to those penalty shootouts eliminations.


Romero/Rulli

Mercado Otamendi F.Mori Vangioni/Rojo

Banega Mascherano

Augusto/Dybala Messi Di María

Higuian

Dybala has to play more games. He could be a jewel, and we don't know yet. Di Maria has to renew his commitment to the team, that's why you sit his ass down for a while until he either gets it, or gets the fuck out.

I don't hate Higuain, but he's a choker trough and trough. How many more point blank goals he needs to miss in a final? Just give Icardi a shot. Keep Fatguero around too. lol Pratto though.

Rojo needs to be taken out back and shot.

[ElNono]

Martinez is utter shit son. He's doing a little better now but he's no NT material. Dude has litterally no brain.

Maybe, but this team doesn't need brains, needs balls and players that are hungry. That's why I can't watch Rojo or Di Maria... they think they belong, but they don't play like it. The only lock should be Missi and Masche, the rest needs to earn it every game.

I loved Mas against Uruguay. He played like his life depended on it. Rojo is such a limited player, tbh...

[DAF86]

He can play for Argentina because all his Italian caps were for friendlies and FIFA allows the change in this case.

Why would we want a guy that can't even make it to the crappiest Italian team ever though?

[DAF86]

Maybe, but this team doesn't need brains, needs balls and players that are hungry. That's why I can't watch Rojo or Di Maria... they think they belong, but they don't play like it. The only lock should be Missi and Masche, the rest needs to earn it every game.

I loved Mas against Uruguay. He played like his life depended on it. Rojo is such a limited player, tbh...

If you dislike Di María, you will dislike Martinez ten times more, tbh. Martinez is Di Maria, minus the world class level skills.

[Canyonero]

Maybe, but this team doesn't need brains, needs balls and players that are hungry. That's why I can't watch Rojo or Di Maria... they think they belong, but they don't play like it. The only lock should be Missi and Funes Mori, the rest needs to earn it every game.

I loved Mas against Uruguay. He played like his life depended on it. Rojo is such a limited player, tbh...

Fixed

[ElNono]

If you dislike Di María, you will dislike Martinez ten times more, tbh. Martinez is Di Maria, minus the world class level skills.

I never liked Di Maria. Always has been overrated, his skill is so limited. He's too erratic. At least when he was younger he played like he gave a shit, but since his Real days, he's just coasting all the time now. What's his world class level skills? Run fast and 1 out of 50 shots on goal? Lose the ball trying to dribble through 3 guys? Argentina's left side, between him and Rojo is one of the weakest links.

Not saying Pity would be better, all I'm saying I rather play a guy that's hungry and wants it. These days Di Maria only runs when attacking (ie: a counter), if he's not injured.

But there's a lot of those guys. I don't know what Gaitan is doing in the NT, he was good in Mexico (lol), and Lamela (can't event stand out in the WEPL)...

[diego]

Wtf, had a reply on my.phone and it disappeared.

Long story short, Fernández used to be an attacking mid but in Spain they turned him into a 5, we already have way too many on the team (masche, banega, biglia, kranevitter, Fernández). Messi needs a playmaker, di maría/aguero/dybala/Gaitán are all redundant and really screw di Maria and aguero they had their chance. (same with higuain, no problem taking Pratto over him).

Vázquez behind Messi, Pratto and dybala is a much better option than choker higuain, headless chicken di Maria and messi with fucking biglia/banega/Fernández or whoever. This team desperately needs to improve its attack, we need miracles from Messi or 10 mistakes from the rival before di Maria /higuain can manage to capitalize for a goal, and don't give me some stats vs concacaf teams.

You are lucky I'm on my phone otherwise I'd embed El mudo relegating river, see if you keep laughing then.
Disagree nono that this team.doesnt need brains, that's what is missing the most. Dimaria injuring himself on meaningless runs, Messi playing one on 5, setting up Rojo for crosses, the list of stupid plays goes on and on.
And you Messi fanboys are pretty stupid if you want to waste Messis last WC on young "promises" like correa and lamela when Vázquez is in his prime and the closest thing to an iniesta we have right now. Pastore had his chance, Vázquez is the best option left right now and AFAIK bauza is considering him, I hope he gives him a chance.

[ElNono]

Wtf, had a reply on my.phone and it disappeared.

Long story short, Fernández used to be an attacking mid but in Spain they turned him into a 5, we already have way too many on the team (masche, banega, biglia, kranevitter, Fernández). Messi needs a playmaker, di maría/aguero/dybala/Gaitán are all redundant and really screw di Maria and aguero they had their chance. (same with higuain, no problem taking Pratto over him).

Vázquez behind Messi, Pratto and dybala is a much better option than choker higuain, headless chicken di Maria and messi with fucking biglia/banega/Fernández or whoever. This team desperately needs to improve its attack, we need miracles from Messi or 10 mistakes from the rival before di Maria /higuain can manage to capitalize for a goal, and don't give me some stats vs concacaf teams.

You are lucky I'm on my phone otherwise I'd embed El mudo relegating river, see if you keep laughing then.
Disagree nono that this team.doesnt need brains, that's what is missing the most. Dimaria injuring himself on meaningless runs, Messi playing one on 5, setting up Rojo for crosses, the list of stupid plays goes on and on.
And you Messi fanboys are pretty stupid if you want to waste Messis last WC on young "promises" like correa and lamela when Vázquez is in his prime and the closest thing to an iniesta we have right now. Pastore had his chance, Vázquez is the best option left right now and AFAIK bauza is considering him, I hope he gives him a chance.

I don't hate Vazquez, but he's another Riquelme/Pastore/Lamela finesse player. When the defenses are tight, they disappear. You need a 10 more like Aimar was, slippery, could get past a guy or two, and still have the vision to make the pass. That's why I said el pity, even though I know he's not that great. But I want a guy that's not afraid to probe and attack.

Frankly, this whole tiki-taka we're playing where we waste 60 minutes doing nothing but passing back is something else I'd like to see change. That's why I thought maybe with a different coach we would see a different system too, but it's been the same rehash over and over. Sabella at least tightened the defense, but from the middle-up, we're still playing pussy football. We're not Barca, and even Barca has guys like Alvez and Jordi that can go deep and cross a ball (unlike that faggot Rojo).

I think that's why you need to shake things up a bit with the players to move them away from their comfort zone. If you keep playing the same guys, they're going to keep playing the same way.

Probably not going to happen with Bauza though.

[DAF86]

I don't hate Vazquez, but he's another Riquelme/Pastore/Lamela finesse player. When the defenses are tight, they disappear. You need a 10 more like Aimar was, slippery, could get past a guy or two, and still have the vision to make the pass. That's why I said el pity, even though I know he's not that great. But I want a guy that's not afraid to probe and attack.

Frankly, this whole tiki-taka we're playing where we waste 60 minutes doing nothing but passing back is something else I'd like to see change. That's why I thought maybe with a different coach we would see a different system too, but it's been the same rehash over and over. Sabella at least tightened the defense, but from the middle-up, we're still playing pussy football. We're not Barca, and even Barca has guys like Alvez and Jordi that can go deep and cross a ball (unlike that faggot Rojo).

I think that's why you need to shake things up a bit with the players to move them away from their comfort zone. if you keep playing the same guys, they're going to keep playing the same way.

Probably not going to happen with Bauza though.

And what's wrong with that? They are the team with the highest winning % of all the NTs in the last 4 international competitions. The only thing they need to change is playing a little bit better/having a bit more luck in the final. That's all.

[ElNono]

And what's wrong with that? They are the team with the highest winning % of all the NTs in the last 4 international competitions. The only thing they need to change is playing a little bit better/having a bit more luck in the final. That's all.

This game is all about winning the last game you play in any competition. You know that. Nobody cares who the first loser is, or what's the winning %, if it was penaldos, if one team deserved it more, if it was pretty/ugly, etc...

We can argue the shades of losers, but that's loser talk. This is like Menottistas with "well, they played phenomenal football, and deserved to win". Nobody cares. You raise the trophy or you're in the corner with the rest of the losers.

[140]

This game is all about winning the last game you play in any competition. You know that. Nobody cares who the first loser is, or what's the winning %, if it was penaldos, if one team deserved it more, if it was pretty/ugly, etc...

We can argue the shades of losers, but that's loser talk. This is like Menottistas with "well, they played phenomenal football, and deserved to win". Nobody cares. You raise the trophy or you're in the corner with the rest of the losers.
Nono

[Canyonero]

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein

Melania Trump

[DAF86]

This game is all about winning the last game you play in any competition. You know that. Nobody cares who the first loser is, or what's the winning %, if it was penaldos, if one team deserved it more, if it was pretty/ugly, etc...

We can argue the shades of losers, but that's loser talk. This is like Menottistas with "well, they played phenomenal football, and deserved to win". Nobody cares. You raise the trophy or you're in the corner with the rest of the losers.

Not really, in leagues you can draw or lose the last game and still win it all. In two legs championships the same. And in single elimination knockout stages you can draw and still win it all on penaldos.

I'm not talking about losers and winners, I'm talking about keeping the cool and looking at the bigger picture. Analyzing the thing with a cold mind instead of going all emo about it.

Look at the Germans, losing in the final stages of big tournaments since 2002, yet they remained calm, didn't blow it over, and finally got over the hump in 2014.

You know why you see the same faces in the Argie squad for so many years? 'cause they are the best players we have. They are some of the best players in the World. And toghether have managed to become the best or second best NT in the World. Because of a couple of little things they haven't been able to win any championship yet, but that doesn't mean they aren't good or that they don't perform well on these kind of tournaments.

This group of players has the highest winning % on international competitions for more than half a decade now. What good would come from switching them for lesser players? Do you preder to lose in the quarters instead of getting to the finals of tournaments? I don't, I prefer to give this group one more chance to see if they can win it all.

[DAF86]

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein

Melania Trump

I'm not expecting different results, tbh. At least not radical ones. Winning a simple penaldo shootout in the next final would do.

[Brazil]

:cry we just need a bit of luck

smh...

[Canyonero]

I'm not expecting different results, tbh. At least not radical ones. Winning a simple penaldo shootout in the next final would do.

I would play the same team until semis and then for the finals:

-----------Barovero-------------
Mercado--Maidana--FM--Vangioni
-------Ponzio--Kranevitter-------
Messi-------Pisculichi-------Rojas
-------------Alario--------------

Head coach Gallardo

[ElNono]

Not really, in leagues you can draw or lose the last game and still win it all. In two legs championships the same. And in single elimination knockout stages you can draw and still win it all on penaldos.

I'm not talking about losers and winners, I'm talking about keeping the cool and looking at the bigger picture. Analyzing the thing with a cold mind instead of going all emo about it.

Look at the Germans, losing in the final stages of big tournaments since 2002, yet they remained calm, didn't blow it over, and finally got over the hump in 2014.

You know why you see the same faces in the Argie squad for so many years? 'cause they are the best players we have. They are some of the best players in the World. And toghether have managed to become the best or second best NT in the World. Because of a couple of little things they haven't been able to win any championship yet, but that doesn't mean they aren't good or that they don't perform well on these kind of tournaments.

This group of players has the highest winning % on international competitions for more than half a decade now. What good would come from switching them for lesser players? Do you preder to lose in the quarters instead of getting to the finals of tournaments? I don't, I prefer to give this group one more chance to see if they can win it all.

They also have the highest losing % of finals in international competitions for more than half a decade now, tbh... nobody else comes close to the colossal choking. I say that very begrudgingly.
And I'm not even blaming Missi for that, he's part of an entire system that's rotten to the core.

And 'lesser players' is a relative term. "world class talent" like Passarella was sat in the corner in '86 for the betterment of the team. Maradroga sat out in '78.

Bochini was much more talented than Enrique or Giusti, but he watched from the bench, because those other players are what the team needed. Marangoni was arguably as good if not better than Batista, but he didn't even make the roster in '86.

You can go on an on about building teams that work vs just playing "top talent". Sometimes a 'lesser player' is exactly what the team needs to be a better team overall.

EDIT: That's my pet peeve about guys like Di Maria or Rojo. It's no "emo", it's the fact that because they carry a name and play on this or that club, they're supposed to own their spot? It shouldn't work like that. If they're playing like shit, they should move along and maybe bring another guy that might not be as talented, but fills a team need better than the shitty version of those guys (in Rojo's case, the shitty version is pretty much all you get anyways).

[ElNono]

I would play the same team until semis and then for the finals:

-----------Barovero-------------
Mercado--Maidana--FM--Vangioni
-------Ponzio--Kranevitter-------
Messi-------Pisculichi-------Rojas
-------------Alario--------------

Head coach Gallardo

Sign me up for Piscu, tbh... wish he was younger though...

[Canyonero]

Sign me up for Piscu, tbh... wish he was younger though...

He plays the first half and D'Alessandro the second.

[diego]

Needing penaltys vs Chile is exactly the problem. Their weakest spot is defense, our supposed strength is offense. But if the coach is a giant pussy who plays only 3 offensive players, that is what happens, 0-0 draw less than a year apart. :facepalm

Also, let's not be stupid. 3 finals sounds great, but wc >>>>>>> copa America, and the only difference between 02, 06, 10, 14 is that we didn't face a strong team till the final. We struggled mightily to score the whole tournament. Part of that was di Maria getting injured, but the constant is Messi having to do everything because the players around him, no matter how big the name, are not helping. How many times do we see the team build up an attack so Rojo can make a terrible cross to a bunch of midgets, or for dimaria/aguero to shoot 10 seconds too late? The team doesn't have clear ideas.

And imo, winning is not the only thing that matters. Sure, that's what people remember, but they also remember teams that play well, and teams that play like shit. No one remembers the Greece euro champs for playing well, they remember them for getting lucky (same will be said for this Portugal team). I would have celebrated 14 if we won because it's been forever, but at the same time I would still rate the 02 and 06 teams as better.

On that note it's pathetic how Daf is so zen about these penalty shootouts, when he was the first to crucify tevez for missing in 2011 copa America, or discredit the 06 team for losing in much more unlucky circumstances (starting pk specialist keeper injured 30 min from time)

And you know, I'd be glad to try piscu instead of biglia/banega/Fernández, because he also fits the playmaker mold, though Vázquez is way better

And for the games where the other team is the one taking risks, you can still use the other guys. Last two copa finals pastore was a wasted roster spot, di maría gets injured and we are forced to trot out kranevitter/biglia when we need goals, it's shameful tbh.

[Canyonero]

I would love to see Lanzini get a shot at the NT. Unfortunately he got injured before the Olympics.

[dfens]

Not really, in leagues you can draw or lose the last game and still win it all. In two legs championships the same. And in single elimination knockout stages you can draw and still win it all on penaldos.

I'm not talking about losers and winners, I'm talking about keeping the cool and looking at the bigger picture. Analyzing the thing with a cold mind instead of going all emo about it.

Look at the Germans, losing in the final stages of big tournaments since 2002, yet they remained calm, didn't blow it over, and finally got over the hump in 2014.

You know why you see the same faces in the Argie squad for so many years? 'cause they are the best players we have. They are some of the best players in the World. And toghether have managed to become the best or second best NT in the World. Because of a couple of little things they haven't been able to win any championship yet, but that doesn't mean they aren't good or that they don't perform well on these kind of tournaments.

This group of players has the highest winning % on international competitions for more than half a decade now. What good would come from switching them for lesser players? Do you preder to lose in the quarters instead of getting to the finals of tournaments? I don't, I prefer to give this group one more chance to see if they can win it all.

son I appreciate the respect but you're not discussing the key aspect. The DFB remained calm because they had a long term plan (since 1998). That's why we had such stability, because ALL teams (u15, u17, u19, u21, first team) played the same system, same strategies, tailor made for the modern german player : relatively tall, skilled, good stamina and strong mentally. Argentina needs a total haul.

[DAF86]

They also have the highest losing % of finals in international competitions for more than half a decade now, tbh... nobody else comes close to the colossal choking. I say that very begrudgingly.
And I'm not even blaming Missi for that, he's part of an entire system that's rotten to the core.

And 'lesser players' is a relative term. "world class talent" like Passarella was sat in the corner in '86 for the betterment of the team. Maradroga sat out in '78.

Bochini was much more talented than Enrique or Giusti, but he watched from the bench, because those other players are what the team needed. Marangoni was arguably as good if not better than Batista, but he didn't even make the roster in '86.

You can go on an on about building teams that work vs just playing "top talent". Sometimes a 'lesser player' is exactly what the team needs to be a better team overall.

EDIT: That's my pet peeve about guys like Di Maria or Rojo. It's no "emo", it's the fact that because they carry a name and play on this or that club, they're supposed to own their spot? It shouldn't work like that. If they're playing like shit, they should move along and maybe bring another guy that might not be as talented, but fills a team need better than the shitty version of those guys (in Rojo's case, the shitty version is pretty much all you get anyways).

Ok then, play Pity Martinez if you want. The final thing should be fixed since we won't even get there. :lol

[ElNono]

Ok then, play Pity Martinez if you want. The final thing should be fixed since we won't even get there. :lol

:lol I thought Missi is the guy that makes this team a contender vs crap?

You can't bitch about Missi being "all alone" and "having to do everything by himself" then turn around and say we gotta keep doing the same with the same players.

I actually think a change of system would be beneficial for Missi too. You just need to put players around him that might not be as talented but are more utilitarian towards making this a better team with him still being the centerpiece.

What good is Messi if Di Maria loses 80% of possessions when he tries to take on 3 defenders by himself? For a team that likes to take care of the ball, that's stupid football.

What's the point of moving the ball around with 40 passes to end up with Rojo centering 40 meters past the box? And it's not just once, dude can't fucking center for shit.

[urunobili]

Action starting again on Thursday... plenty of trap games to be played TBH

[apalisoc_9]

By the end of 2016, we should have a few teams that pretty much have qualified by winning significant amount of games.

[lefty]

Camroon is going to kill us

lol group of death

Algeria
Cameroon
Nigeria
Zambia

:lol :cry

[apalisoc_9]

Camroon is going to kill us

lol group of death

Algeria
Cameroon
Nigeria
Zambia

:lol :cry

That's rough.

They really need to strip of two spots from Europe and allocate them to other continents. Another 0.5 to South America, 0.5 Africa, and 0.5 Asia.

The 9th to 13 whatever european team are always fucking garbage.

[Canyonero]

So Bauza is playing

Dybala-Fatguero-Dive Maria
Chokeguain

[dfens]

So Bauza is playing

Dybala-Fatguero-Dive Maria
Chokeguain

how many balls does argentina get with dybala/higuain/aguerro/di maria PLUS messi ? :lol ... seriously, this is how you fuck a country in the ass big time. You play all the stars and win big against poor teams instead of playing a balanced team and creating a long term strategy for winning against tough opponents. When they lose against tough opposition everybody says that they were unlucky, "look, they had good results till now", when any coach will tell you "well, no shit bro, you just changed tactics because you know you can't play 5 strikers against a strong opponents and tough luck, your players have no long term experience in this formation, your talent advantage is nullified by your strategical disadvantage".

Sad stuff for argentina, y'all niggas are fucking blessed with talent. It's like every day we get a new argentine star. Never in my life have I seen talent like messi SQUANDERED like this, with long term incompetence. If he'd would of played for ANY euro country contender (france / germany/ netherlands / italy / spain / even portugal) he'd have a world cup (maybe not with portugal) by now and probably a euro. Messi on france/germany/netherlands/italy is :lol. Spain with messi goes b2b euros and WCs tbh.:downspin:

[dfens]

Needing penaltys vs Chile is exactly the problem. Their weakest spot is defense, our supposed strength is offense. But if the coach is a giant pussy who plays only 3 offensive players, that is what happens, 0-0 draw less than a year apart. :facepalm

Also, let's not be stupid. 3 finals sounds great, but wc >>>>>>> copa America, and the only difference between 02, 06, 10, 14 is that we didn't face a strong team till the final. We struggled mightily to score the whole tournament. Part of that was di Maria getting injured, but the constant is Messi having to do everything because the players around him, no matter how big the name, are not helping. How many times do we see the team build up an attack so Rojo can make a terrible cross to a bunch of midgets, or for dimaria/aguero to shoot 10 seconds too late? The team doesn't have clear ideas.

And imo, winning is not the only thing that matters. Sure, that's what people remember, but they also remember teams that play well, and teams that play like shit. No one remembers the Greece euro champs for playing well, they remember them for getting lucky (same will be said for this Portugal team). I would have celebrated 14 if we won because it's been forever, but at the same time I would still rate the 02 and 06 teams as better.

On that note it's pathetic how Daf is so zen about these penalty shootouts, when he was the first to crucify tevez for missing in 2011 copa America, or discredit the 06 team for losing in much more unlucky circumstances (starting pk specialist keeper injured 30 min from time)

And you know, I'd be glad to try piscu instead of biglia/banega/Fernández, because he also fits the playmaker mold, though Vázquez is way better

And for the games where the other team is the one taking risks, you can still use the other guys. Last two copa finals pastore was a wasted roster spot, di maría gets injured and we are forced to trot out kranevitter/biglia when we need goals, it's shameful tbh.

good post son tbh. see my previous post about my opinion on the argetina NT.

[Canyonero]

how many balls does argentina get with dybala/higuain/aguerro/di maria PLUS messi ? :lol ... seriously, this is how you fuck a country in the ass big time. You play all the stars and win big against poor teams instead of playing a balanced team and creating a long term strategy for winning against tough opponents. When they lose against tough opposition everybody says that they were unlucky, "look, they had good results till now", when any coach will tell you "well, no shit bro, you just changed tactics because you know you can't play 5 strikers against a strong opponents and tough luck, your players have no long term experience in this formation, your talent advantage is nullified by your strategical disadvantage".

Sad stuff for argentina, y'all niggas are fucking blessed with talent. It's like every day we get a new argentine star. Never in my life have I seen talent like messi SQUANDERED like this, with long term incompetence. If he'd would of played for ANY euro country contender (france / germany/ netherlands / italy / spain / even portugal) he'd have a world cup (maybe not with portugal) by now and probably a euro. Messi on france/germany/netherlands/italy is :lol. Spain with messi goes b2b euros and WCs tbh.:downspin:

I think it's just Bauza saying "fuck you" to his detractors imho. We won't see this kind of shit too often (hopefully).

[TheGreatYacht]

Is Spain back? They look really good so far

[DAF86]

how many balls does argentina get with dybala/higuain/aguerro/di maria PLUS messi ? :lol ... seriously, this is how you fuck a country in the ass big time. You play all the stars and win big against poor teams instead of playing a balanced team and creating a long term strategy for winning against tough opponents. When they lose against tough opposition everybody says that they were unlucky, "look, they had good results till now", when any coach will tell you "well, no shit bro, you just changed tactics because you know you can't play 5 strikers against a strong opponents and tough luck, your players have no long term experience in this formation, your talent advantage is nullified by your strategical disadvantage".

Sad stuff for argentina, y'all niggas are fucking blessed with talent. It's like every day we get a new argentine star. Never in my life have I seen talent like messi SQUANDERED like this, with long term incompetence. If he'd would of played for ANY euro country contender (france / germany/ netherlands / italy / spain / even portugal) he'd have a world cup (maybe not with portugal) by now and probably a euro. Messi on france/germany/netherlands/italy is :lol. Spain with messi goes b2b euros and WCs tbh.:downspin:

Bauza will never play with 5 strikers. Dybala is playing now because Messi is injured, if not he would be on the bench.

The formation is a typical 4-2-3-1:


Romero

Zabaleta Otamendi F.Mori Rojo

Kranevitter Mascherano

Dybala Aguero Di María

Higuaín

When Messi and Biglia are fit they would play instead of Dybala and Kranevitter respectively. The name selection isn't an issue, imho (outside a few choices like playing Messi on the right, I would rather give him the freedom to play as a true number 10); the problem is Bauza being reluctant to his teams doing a high press, I don't know how he expects to mantain a short cohesive team with so many offensive minded players and not forcing his defenders to press high on the pitch. I don't see Messi, Aguero, Higuain and Di Maria all doing the work of getting back 50 metres everytime Argentina loses the ball.

[spursistan]

Ramos per par :lmao..

strip this fucker of the captaincy..one of the most overrated and dumb defenders of his generation..

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol tbh

[140]

Ecuador showing they're deserving of a spot tbh

:lol Chile, sad to see though

[apalisoc_9]

Chile :lmao

[urunobili]

Cagani no show...

[140]

My niggas going in without lube tbh

:lol Bolivia

[140]

Cagani no show...
2 goals son :lol

[urunobili]

2 goals son :lol

:depressed

[apalisoc_9]

Wow just looked at the standings..If Aregentina and Brazil win today..the 5th and playoff spot would be 5 points ahead chile.

Rough.

Chile needs to fix their shit tbh

[DAF86]

Bauza is so shity :lol

[DAF86]

:lol So fucking obvious.

[DAF86]

And folks here wanted to get rid of him. :lol To make it to the finals we have to qualify to the competitions first, tbh.

Imagine if, on top of not having GOD, we didn't have Higuaín. :lol

[ElNono]

This shit is a disgrace, tbh...

[ElNono]

same Dive Maria, same Rojo, same Banega, same result... keep Dybala, take Diva Maria out... try Icardi...

this is just such bullshit.

[ElNono]

And folks here wanted to get rid of him. :lol To make it to the finals we have to qualify to the competitions first, tbh.

Imagine if, on top of not having GOD, we didn't have Higuaín. :lol

Piguain is a pussy, if it's a Final, he misses that shit. Time to move on, Aguero too, IMO.

[ElNono]

Also, Correa... another rehash from Martino that embarrassed us in the Olympics. Why change the coach if you're not going to change shit?

[DAF86]

Piguain is a pussy, if it's a Final, he misses that shit. Time to move on, Aguero too, IMO.

If it's somebody else instead of Higuaín, we don't even get to the final.

Great game by Dybala, btw. How long 'till he becomes another pussy from whom we have to move on?

[ElNono]

If it's somebody else instead of Higuaín, we don't even get to the final.

Great game by Dybala, btw. How long 'till he becomes another pussy from whom we have to move on?

Maybe 5-6 years like Higuain and Aguero?

This shit is embarrassing, we're lucky to even get a draw, Peru deserved to win. How you play counter-attack against Peru, it's the pussiest shit ever.

[ElNono]

And I agree about Bauza... it's Martino with a mustache... we're not going anywhere with this guy...

[DAF86]

Maybe 5-6 years like Higuain and Aguero?

This shit is embarrassing, we're lucky to even get a draw, Peru deserved to win. How you play counter-attack against Peru, it's the pussiest shit ever.

5-6 years if he manages to help the team get to 3 consecutive finals, or 5-6 years no matter what?

[DAF86]

And I agree about Bauza... it's Martino with a mustache... we're not going anywhere with this guy...

Martino is Guardiola on roids compared to Bauza.

[ElNono]

5-6 years if he manages to help the team get to 3 consecutive finals, or 5-6 years no matter what?

Can we at least give him a couple years, full games, not this same old shit retread? Same thing with Icardi.

This team scored early and you could already tell they were going to pussy out and play counter the rest of the game, and the defense just isn't anywhere near what it used to be with Sabella.

We're back to square one with this fuck. I'm fucking pissed, these are the games you gotta win. Teams like Brazil and Uruguay are picking up steam or at least winning the games they're supposed to.

[ElNono]

At least Biglia didn't play... heck, now that Missi isn't there, hopefully the plane crashes on the way back...

EDIT: Wait, no, Dybala is there.

[ElNono]

Does Dive Maria and Rojo have compromising photos of Missi or something? I can't understand how these guys keep playing like they're a lock. They fucking suck.

[DAF86]

Can we at least give him a couple years, full games, not this same old shit retread? Same thing with Icardi.

This team scored early and you could already tell they were going to pussy out and play counter the rest of the game, and the defense just isn't anywhere near what it used to be with Sabella.

We're back to square one with this fuck. I'm fucking pissed, these are the games you gotta win. Teams like Brazil and Uruguay are picking up steam or at least winning the games they're supposed to.

I have nothing against Dybala, in fact I like him. I'm just sick of the retarded "el q no está es mejor" way of thinking. Same shit with Icardi. No, Icardi isn't better than Higuaín. If he was, Juventus would have spent 100 million on him instead of Higuaín.

And the biggest problem right now is the coach. Bauza is an outdated coach that doesn't work in the most important aspect of modern football: high pressing.

High pressing is what makes you dominate games, it's what allows you to win the ball back quickly and have majority of ball possession. When you don't work on the high press your team suffers from what Argentina suffered today: your team gets way too long, disconected, your players don't play with enough tension and concentration, and you don't get control of the ball.

[ElNono]

I have nothing against Dybala, in fact I like him. I'm just sick of the retarded "el q no está es mejor" way of thinking. Same shit with Icardi. No, Icardi isn't better than Higuaín. If he was, Juventus would have spent 100 million on him instead of Higuaín.

And the biggest problem right now is the coach. Bauza is an outdated coach that doesn't work in the most important aspect of modern football: high pressing.

High pressing is what makes you dominate games, it's what allows you to win the ball back quickly and have majority of ball possession. When you don't work on the high press your team suffers from what Argentina suffered today: your team gets way too long, disconected, your players don't play with enough tension and concentration, and you don't get control of the ball.

I don't necessarily disagree, but if you want to play controlling the ball, you can't have out of control players like Di Maria, tbh... and the other issue is that this team just needs a new identity. I'm not saying it shouldn't focus on Messi, etc, just that if you don't have a coach that brings a new system and ideas, players are going to keep playing the same.

I also feel some players are spoiled and entitled. Rojo or Di Maria shouldn't think their spot is undisputed. They're not that good and they have not been in their clubs either. But if you keep calling and playing them, nothing in their attitude is going to change.

[diego]

I have nothing against Dybala, in fact I like him. I'm just sick of the retarded "el q no está es mejor" way of thinking. Same shit with Icardi. No, Icardi isn't better than Higuaín. If he was, Juventus would have spent 100 million on him instead of Higuaín.

And the biggest problem right now is the coach. Bauza is an outdated coach that doesn't work in the most important aspect of modern football: high pressing.

High pressing is what makes you dominate games, it's what allows you to win the ball back quickly and have majority of ball possession. When you don't work on the high press your team suffers from what Argentina suffered today: your team gets way too long, disconected, your players don't play with enough tension and concentration, and you don't get control of the ball.

Argentina had higher possession yesterday, something like 55-45. What good did a high press do martino? The problem with this team is too many strikers, not enough playmakers / wingers. Aguero and higuain are good players, but they don't receive the ball in position to score. I'm much more fed up with aguero than higuain though.
Dybala I like too, but he is not a playmaker. Correa is a kid who has a future but shouldnt be relied on at this stage.
High press works great against weak teams that are prone to mistakes, and if you have no playmakers you need those mistakes to generate opportunities. Good teams are going to pass out of it. Argentina yesterday had a terrible passing game. A lot of that was on the back line barely being able to advance the ball. Banegas coming in helped a little but he is not a forward playmaker. Also, yesterday the defense was terrible, Zabaleta was lost and Funes Mori got dominated by guerrero. With your logic, if he's not good enough for everton why should he be good enough for the NT?

One of the hallmarks of argentine football is the passing game but this team can barely make 2 through passes per game. Peru had less possession, and their forwards pressed high but it's not like the whole midfield did, what they did have were midfielders who knew how to get their forward the damn ball with good forward passes.

[ElNono]

Correa es humo... mucho humo...

[Brazil]

... And some usual suspects that wanted to make us believe that Chile was some sort of powerhouse


:lmao

[lefty]

No Misty and Higuain scores tbh

[dfens]

... And some usual suspects that wanted to make us believe that Chile was some sort of powerhouse


:lmao

imo chile is like croatia/poland: a strong 2nd tier team who on a good day can give any 1st tier a run for their money. Similar strategies, a more talented than poland, less talented than croatia .. in that ballpark tbh. Whoever thinks chile is a 1st tier needs their head examined tbh.

[DAF86]

Argentina had higher possession yesterday, something like 55-45. What good did a high press do martino?

a 74% winning efficiency.

[DAF86]

... And some usual suspects that wanted to make us believe that Chile was some sort of powerhouse


:lmao

France would have suffered a similar result on the altittude of Quito, tbh.

[140]

No Misty and Higuain scores tbh

[140]

France would have suffered a similar result on the altittude of Quito, tbh.
If not worse, tbh.

[DAF86]

If not worse, tbh.

Probably, since they aren't used to it.

[dfens]

France would have suffered a similar result on the altittude of Quito, tbh.

you know, in europe you get to play russia/belarus/norway/icyland in winter ... i'd rather have quito tbh.

[Brazil]

France would have suffered a similar result on the altittude of Quito, tbh.

My point is not about the results per say... it happens I've seen the game, losing is one thing but this team is just plain awful

[DAF86]

you know, in europe you get to play russia/belarus/norway/icyland in winter ... i'd rather have quito tbh.

You don't know what you're talking about son. :lol

[dfens]

You don't know what you're talking about son. :lol

checked it out on the internets ... 3000 motherfucking meters ... are y'all niggas serious? :lmao gtfo , what next, playing on ice?

[140]

checked it out on the internets ... 3000 motherfucking meters ... are y'all niggas serious? :lmao gtfo , what next, playing on ice?
and La Paz is even worse at 3600m :lol

[lefty]

You know who Deschamps didn't select for the Euro?

Gameiro

[diego]

2x higher than the highest European city and Denver, and you're comparing it to some chilly weather? Sorry but you're making me agree with daf

Chile has never won in Quito, and medel is the heart of their D so no surprise there. Getting one point out of Paraguay and Bolivia at home though is a huge fail and will likely cost them wc qualification, unless they can get some points back from fifa (Bolivia used a nationalized player that hadn't met all requirements). Medel being out for.another three games is not going to help either, Peru always plays them tough, they need to win out at home, get a few points away and hope for Colombia to fall apart- if I had to bet Chile is not making the wc.

[dfens]

2x higher than the highest European city and Denver, and you're comparing it to some chilly weather? Sorry but you're making me agree with daf

Chile has never won in Quito, and medel is the heart of their D so no surprise there. Getting one point out of Paraguay and Bolivia at home though is a huge fail and will likely cost them wc qualification, unless they can get some points back from fifa (Bolivia used a nationalized player that hadn't met all requirements). Medel being out for.another three games is not going to help either, Peru always plays them tough, they need to win out at home, get a few points away and hope for Colombia to fall apart- if I had to bet Chile is not making the wc.

son I am eating crow, never knew you niggas play at 3000m, i thought it was like 1000-1500m, hard but not impossible ... 3000 is just :lol i don't know how the fuck that can even be legal tbh.

On the other hand I remember a game in russia at -20 degrees and the pitch frozen with 5 cm of snow ... I think it was a qualifiers some time ago .. to this day I can't understand how they let them play, it was crazy tbh.

[urunobili]

son I am eating crow, never knew you niggas play at 3000m, i thought it was like 1000-1500m, hard but not impossible ... 3000 is just :lol i don't know how the fuck that can even be legal tbh.

On the other hand I remember a game in russia at -20 degrees and the pitch frozen with 5 cm of snow ... I think it was a qualifiers some time ago .. to this day I can't understand how they let them play, it was crazy tbh.

Respect dfens.

It's an old OLD issue with players complaining left and right to what it's to play at 3000 mt altitude. It's just not right.
It's also as bad to play in Colombia at 1pm (40 degrees Celsius in the shadows or more) (and they're still getting away with that shit) top notch defensive teams like Uruguay eat 4 goals there as players by the 30th minute of the first half are full on dehydrated.
I don't blame the federations though, if we had those "natural" advantages I'm sure I'd celebrate them.

[Canyonero]

son I am eating crow, never knew you niggas play at 3000m, i thought it was like 1000-1500m, hard but not impossible ... 3000 is just :lol i don't know how the fuck that can even be legal tbh.

On the other hand I remember a game in russia at -20 degrees and the pitch frozen with 5 cm of snow ... I think it was a qualifiers some time ago .. to this day I can't understand how they let them play, it was crazy tbh.

I've played some "picados" in Jujuy (northern Argentina) where the avg height is 2500-3000 mts and that shit is tiring AF unless you chew some coca leaves.

[dfens]

Respect dfens.

It's an old OLD issue with players complaining left and right to what it's to play at 3000 mt altitude. It's just not right.
It's also as bad to play in Colombia at 1pm (40 degrees Celsius in the shadows or more) (and they're still getting away with that shit) top notch defensive teams like Uruguay eat 4 goals there as players by the 30th minute of the first half are full on dehydrated.
I don't blame the federations though, if we had those "natural" advantages I'm sure I'd celebrate them.

sounds like shit football tbh, sorry to hear that ... I always wondered how teams like ecuador and bolivia had such strong home courts ... looked it up and I said to myself holy fuck these niggas using climbing rope to get to the stadium :lol It's normal for good teams to collapse under such conditions tbh. On the other hand a team like france would love 40 degrees, them niggas would feel like at their parents house tbh, hot sun, wide spaces, the jungle is nearby :lmao

[spursistan]

Is Spain back? They look really good so far
struggling with Albania :lol

They are washed, IMO..Have been so since 2013 and their younger generation isn't as good ..

[DAF86]

imo chile is like croatia/poland: a strong 2nd tier team who on a good day can give any 1st tier a run for their money. Similar strategies, a more talented than poland, less talented than croatia .. in that ballpark tbh. Whoever thinks chile is a 1st tier needs their head examined tbh.

What about thinking Italy is 1st tier right now? Fucking Macedonia :lmao

[spursistan]

Italy :lol..

My bold prediction for these qualifiers is Italy missing their first WC since 1958..

[DAF86]

We jinxed it. But the point remains, how can you almost lose against fucking Macedonia? :lol

[dfens]

We jinxed it. But the point remains, how can you almost lose against fucking Macedonia? :lol

tough day at the office son, everybody has them. We lost to fucking slovakia 3-1 before the euro. France drawed with belarus. Argentina couldn't beat chile b2b. Shit happens son. They got the points the italian way and that's life.

[dfens]

what for the love of god is hard for me to understand is how does fucking icyland get all these points :lol Each time I see them against good opposition they get drilled tbh..

[Canyonero]

what for the love of god is hard for me to understand is how does fucking icyland get all these points :lol Each time I see them against good opposition they get drilled tbh..

Because they score more goals than the opposite team.

[DAF86]

tough day at the office son, everybody has them. We lost to fucking slovakia 3-1 before the euro. France drawed with belarus. Argentina couldn't beat chile b2b. Shit happens son. They got the points the italian way and that's life.

Difference is Italy is coming from b2b group stage eliminations and right now thy are even shittier. I'm not so sure they even make it to the WC, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

5 out of the 12 european teams that qualify play shitty soccer in the world cup. They really need to start using the world cup to reasses spots for the next world cup. It's going to create a continent vs Continent vibe too which should increase competition.

Giver everyone a base minimum

Europe 8
SA 3
Asia 3
Africa 4
NA 2
Oceania 0.5

Seriosuly, why cant they just do this? Europe has 14 teams next year and again 6 of those teams are going to get curbstompped..like always.

Fucking Algeria did better than 60% of the european teams.

[lefty]

Has Icardi been called up yet?

Wtf

[dfens]

Difference is Italy is coming from b2b group stage eliminations and right now thy are even shittier. I'm not so sure they even make it to the WC, tbh.

a b2b group stage elimination after a world cup won and the calciopoli .. lol not making the wc :lol

[DAF86]

a b2b group stage elimination after a world cup won and the calciopoli .. lol not making the wc :lol

Spain is going to qualify on that group. If Italy gets a semi-decent squad on the playoff they aren't getting in.

[ElNono]

:lmao back to washed up losers like Gaitan and Demichelis, to pair with Rojo and Die Maria... volve Sabella...

[140]

Godnaldo leading the European champions to another resounding victory yesterday as per par. And still had time for the fans

http://i.imgur.com/hIbcjTq.jpg

:worthy::worthy::worthy:

[Canyonero]

Godnaldo leading the European champions to another resounding victory yesterday as per par. And still had time for the fans

http://i.imgur.com/hIbcjTq.jpg

:worthy::worthy::worthy:

Wow, the 4th goal in a 6-0 victory against Faroe Islands. You can't get more alphaness than that.

[lefty]

lol we cpuldn't beat Cameroon at home



We are soooooooooooo going to get raped in Lagos :lol

[dfens]

Wow, the 4th goal in a 6-0 victory against Faroe Islands. You can't get more alphaness than that.

:lmao

[diego]

:lmao back to washed up losers like Gaitan and Demichelis, to pair with Rojo and Die Maria... volve Sabella...

Eh, rojo is sabella's fault.
Glad banega is starting, he's not tye ideal attacking mid but at least he is capable of passing the ball and is comfortable in the middle, should be much better than vs Peru where they could barely advance the ball.
Not sure cause I heard it on Chilean radio this morning, but supposedly bauza said that the team is unbalanced because of the strikers but those were the big names and the previous structure so he would maintain it.... If that's true, just fire him now, when he was announced I thought that balls / willingness to make unpopular decisions would be his saving grace, guess not.

[quentin_compson]

Boy, England pretty uninspired once again. At least Rooney started out sitting on the bench.

[140]

Wow, the 4th goal in a 6-0 victory against Faroe Islands. You can't get more alphaness than that.
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/003/232/b52.gif

[ElNono]

:lmao Rojo

[ElNono]

Dybala on the bench, Gaitan on the pitch... that's how you give him a chance? smh

[lefty]

:lol our coach has already resigned
:lol Algerian FA

:lol We're playing @ Nigeria soon and we have no coach

resistanze

[ElNono]

:lol det gifted penalty
:lol fatguero

[ElNono]

:lmao fatguero again

[140]

:lmao venezuela

[140]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6S8osqM66M

[urunobili]

A point in Barranquilla? :cry

[ElNono]

Die Maria, die

[resistanze]

:lol our coach has already resigned
:lol Algerian FA

:lol We're playing @ Nigeria soon and we have no coach

resistanze

:lmao Why he resign tbh

[ElNono]

:lol rojo can't defend, can't attack why is he playing? smh

[ElNono]

Die Maria Die!

[ElNono]

:lmao embarrassing... and don't give me the Missi canard... bunch of faggots on this team

[DAF86]

:lmao embarrassing... and don't give me the Missi canard... bunch of faggots on this team

Starting from the coach. I don't give a fuck it has been only 4 games, Bauza needs to go asap. We are seeing tactical head scratchers not seen since the Maradroga days.

[ElNono]

:lol Argentina
:lol Bauza
:lol Pratto your winning card
:lol Fatguero
:lol Gaitan starts and plays 60 mins
:lol Mussaccio
:lol Demichelis
:lol Rojo
:lol Di Maria
:lol half the starters doesn't start or play on their teams
:lol Fatguero missing a gifted penaldo
:lol $500 million euro striker
:lol det defense
:lol tiki-taka for 60 mins, down 0-1, and 3 shots on goal
:lol at home?
:lol Paraguay the better team 90 mins later

[lefty]

:lmao Why he resign tbh

Some say he didn't get along with players

Other sources say it's cuz the FA is picking some shitty players for the wrong reasons

[urunobili]

Damn the end of the race on the qualifiers is going to be super tense...

[apalisoc_9]

Still a lot of games to play but I doubt Brazil abd Uru slips. The only spots left is 3, 4 and the playoff 5..

[TheGreatYacht]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/003/232/b52.gif
Holy shit :lmao brought back memories

[TheGreatYacht]

Wow Argentina is lucky Mexico isn't in their continent or they'd be out of the World Cup tbh

[ElNono]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV8FZx_zMCw

Fantino with the troof bombs... somebody post that truth bomb gif, tbh...

Here's a longer version:
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1946240-este-es-un-equipo-de-camarilleros-la-dura-editorial-de-alejandro-fantino-sobre-la-seleccion

And exactly what I been saying, tbh... bunch of these guys think they're above the team...

[DAF86]

The main problem is the coach, not the players.

You can say whatever you want about the lost finals but this same group of players played well under Sabella and Martino, and the cold hard facts prove it: Sabella 70% winning efficiency, Martino 74% winning efficiency. 3 consecutive finals, and only 3 games lost in the last 4 years.

Bauza came and fucked it all over. Folks used to bitch about beating teams like Venezuela, Peru and Chile by 3, 4, 5 goals but then failing in the finlas, but now we not only don't score 3, 4, 5 goals against Venezuela, Perú and Paraguay but we don't even beat them.

The problem isn't the players, it's the way that Bauza makes them play. Bauza is an old, outdated coach. Everybody, and their mothers, realizes that in modern football one of the main keys to be a good, competitive squad that wants to fight for the big prizes, is to have a short, compact team that presses as high as possible and doesn't give the other team time to think and/or play. Bauza doesn't believe on this, so he sets a team, with tactics from the stone age, where the defenders are stuck on their own box 50 metres away from the forwards. This leads to a long team that gets outnumbered on every part of the pitch, which means they can't make two passes on a row, they can't win the ball back quickly, and they can't win a 50/50 ball even if their lives depend on it. I know they just hired the guy, but if they don't get rid of him quickly Argentina is fucked.

[apalisoc_9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV8FZx_zMCw

Fantino with the troof bombs... somebody post that truth bomb gif, tbh...

Here's a longer version:
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1946240-este-es-un-equipo-de-camarilleros-la-dura-editorial-de-alejandro-fantino-sobre-la-seleccion

And exactly what I been saying, tbh... bunch of these guys think they're above the team...

Trolling aside, I've watched every Argentina game so far and their main problem is that their supposed stars upfront makes it impossible to come up with a more balanced appraoch...

Team relies too much on Di-Maria and while he's an expert at attacking the open spaces in the flank, he can't seem to assist anyone for shit. Messi also tries to do too much on a stacked team.

Seriously, so many underwhelming players in the last 10 games that are for some reason still getting time...Rojo, biglia, Di-Maria ( would be a great super sub) etc.

For a team with so much talent upfront...They fucking suck at creating chances...I was watching Thailand and Saudi Arabia today, and they looked better at creating chances upfront than Argentina..:lmao.

Everyone's trying to win games "their way"..

Di-Maria trying to run whenever he wants and go with a cross..nigga cant even cross the ball

Messi trying to do everything...

Aguero trying to play like he's in Mancity except hes not...Also, they keep on calling players to the NT with minimal playing time in Europe..guys who arent in rythem etc.

Just a shitty organization...

[dfens]

Spain is going to qualify on that group. If Italy gets a semi-decent squad on the playoff they aren't getting in.
italy is a fucking nightmare in elimination games, they'll get through son.


Boy, England pretty uninspired once again. At least Rooney started out sitting on the bench.
sky is blue tbh.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6S8osqM66M
pretty shot but the goalie :lmao


:lmao embarrassing... and don't give me the Missi canard... bunch of faggots on this team
son I feel sorry, I've seen this match too and hot damn, y'all niggas are playing with less organization than the lakers tbh :lol


:lol Argentina
:lol Bauza
:lol Pratto your winning card
:lol Fatguero
:lol Gaitan starts and plays 60 mins
:lol Mussaccio
:lol Demichelis
:lol Rojo
:lol Di Maria
:lol half the starters doesn't start or play on their teams
:lol Fatguero missing a gifted penaldo
:lol $500 million euro striker
:lol det defense
:lol tiki-taka for 60 mins, down 0-1, and 3 shots on goal
:lol at home?
:lol Paraguay the better team 90 mins later
rip


Damn the end of the race on the qualifiers is going to be super tense...
brasil and uruguay are in imo. 3-4-5 spots are interesting tbh.


Wow Argentina is lucky Mexico isn't in their continent or they'd be out of the World Cup tbh
:lol


Trolling aside, I've watched every Argentina game so far and their main problem is that their supposed stars upfront makes it impossible to come up with a more balanced appraoch...
Team relies too much on Di-Maria and while he's an expert at attacking the open spaces in the flank, he can't seem to assist anyone for shit. Messi also tries to do too much on a stacked team.
Seriously, so many underwhelming players in the last 10 games that are for some reason still getting time...Rojo, biglia, Di-Maria ( would be a great super sub) etc.
For a team with so much talent upfront...They fucking suck at creating chances...I was watching Thailand and Saudi Arabia today, and they looked better at creating chances upfront than Argentina..:lmao.
Everyone's trying to win games "their way"..
Di-Maria trying to run whenever he wants and go with a cross..nigga cant even cross the ball
Messi trying to do everything...
Aguero trying to play like he's in Mancity except hes not...Also, they keep on calling players to the NT with minimal playing time in Europe..guys who arent in rythem etc.
Just a shitty organization...
no balance in that team, it's obvious .. they play at their best when they either play poor teams and construction doesn't matter or when they don't have the ball because they can just explode on the counter. I'll my shit if they fail to qualify for a world cup with all this talent. :lmao

[dfens]

argentina's next games :

away at brasil :lol
home vs colombia (5 days after brasil)
home vs chile :lol
away vs bolivia :lol (5 days after chile)
away vs uruguay :lol
home vs venezuela :sleep
home vs peru :sleep
away vs ecuador :lol

damn that's some motherfucking scheduling tbh.
chile, colombia, uruguay all have lighter schedules too .. hope y'all niggas make it to russia.

[dfens]

pray for argentina and misty:
https://www.prayerrequest.com/forums/topic/3777007-pray-for-my-poor-soul-i-work-so-much/
http://www.postaprayer.org/forum/christianity/145451-glorious-and-merciful-jesus-he

[Canyonero]

I wouldn't mind Argentina missing the next WC fwiw.

[DAF86]

no balance in that team, it's obvious .. they play at their best when they either play poor teams and construction doesn't matter or when they don't have the ball because they can just explode on the counter. I'll my shit if they fail to qualify for a world cup with all this talent. :lmao

The lack of balance came with Bauza. Under Sabella and Martino the team was well structured.

[dfens]

The lack of balance came with Bauza. Under Sabella and Martino the team was well structured.

son with all the respect the last argentine team capable of constructing offense through passing was the 2006 team with riquelme-messi-maxi rodrigoez-sorin-tevez-mascherano-crespo-aimar-lucho .. these are the guys I remember. Saying that argentina was well structured in '14 is a bit of a stretch.

[Canyonero]

urunobili is it late for merging?

[DAF86]

son with all the respect the last argentine team capable of constructing offense through passing was the 2006 team with riquelme-messi-maxi rodrigoez-sorin-tevez-mascherano-crespo-aimar-lucho .. these are the guys I remember. Saying that argentina was well structured in '14 is a bit of a stretch.

What do you base this on? On the few couple of games you watched from them in the WC? Sabella's team scored 3 or 4 goals per game, then in the WC a more defensive approach was chosen so the offensive game obviously suffered, but it was still good enough to make it to the final.

I love how during that znoozefest that was the last Euro you hyped the defensive structures and disminished offensive play, but now you are talking about Argentina not being well structured in '14 because they lacked "constructing offense through passing" :lol

[dfens]

What do you base this on? On the few couple of games you watched from them in the WC? Sabella's team scored 3 or 4 goals per game, then in the WC a more defensive approach was chosen so the offensive game obviously suffered, but it was still good enough to make it to the final.

I love how during that znoozefest that was the last Euro you hyped the defensive structures and disminished offensive play, but now you are talking about Argentina not being well structured in '14 because they lacked "constructing offense through passing" :lol

that's exactly my point son. You don't change structure, structure should be a constant. Germany has played all its games with the same approach/structure, as has spain, italy and france. Sure you might put an extra dm/am/wing/striker/special marking assignment for a specific match, but the core stays the same. That's why I say bad structure, because you don't play the qualifiers with one style and change during the world cup, it means there is no clear structure, or the coach is getting too cute without realizing that you don't change structure and all the training before a big tournament.

Before the last euro every team was playing the same shit they played during the qualifiers, that's why teams were tight, because shit was ironed out properly.

[DAF86]

that's exactly my point son. You don't change structure, structure should be a constant. Germany has played all its games with the same approach/structure, as has spain, italy and france. Sure you might put an extra dm/am/wing/striker/special marking assignment for a specific match, but the core stays the same. That's why I say bad structure, because you don't play the qualifiers with one style and change during the world cup, it means there is no clear structure, or the coach is getting too cute without realizing that you don't change structure and all the training before a big tournament.

Before the last euro every team was playing the same shit they played during the qualifiers, that's why teams were tight, because shit was ironed out properly.

A team like Italy has no bussiness mantaining a structure that gave them b2b group stage eliminations, tbh. :lol

[dfens]

A team like Italy has no bussiness mantaining a structure that gave them b2b group stage eliminations, tbh. :lol

if you consider the calciopoli effects (loss of huge amount of revenue and players, heavy destruction of the youth system = long term/generational effect) and that the they were :
- finalists at euro'12
- finalists at u21 euro'13
- winners of wc in '06
- had some tough luck in '14 (vs costa rica, vs uruguay)
- qualified to all tournaments (they didn't pull a netherlands collapse or like how argentina might be doing right now with a fucking stacked roster too, 5th spot with a tough schedule is no joke son)
that's actually not a bad catch for the last 10 years, given the dire conditions .. They'll be back to 1st tier, and we all know it and hate it (these niggas always give us a serious match tbh :depressed)

So it's exactly the other way around, italy is maintaining structure for when they'll get some talent when the long term effects of the calciopoli end, they'll continue to produce world class defenders and if they get a generation with 3-4 talented offensive players they'll contend easily ... which brings us to the whole purpose of structure .. you maintain it and train for it as to benefit maximally when you got talent, not to waste talent like messi for example. Argentina would be smart to learn this, but y'all niggas refuse to learn this basic thing. Let me tell you something tbh, if argentina's federation wasn't a corrupt union of cockolded sissies you niggas would have 4-5 rings. It is what it is. Laugh all you want at italy but they got more rings than argentina and they are also the last team to ring, I'm also willing to bet that italy will be the next to reach a world cup final before argentina.

[dfens]

also on the topic of structure and italy, it's a little known thing that italy has changed their defensive training and player development methods from manmarking heavy to positional defending heavy in a "the game is changing spirit", which imo was misguided. This has been cited as a cause for them not producing truly elite level defenders (nesta/cannavaro/maldini/baresi level, chiellini is great but no historic). We had a show on tv where they showed an interview with cannavaro talking about this and how he said that italy will produce much fewer elite defenders with this method (and he was right, this was back in '10/'11). Right now they are going back to manmarking as far as I hear.

What I'm trying to say here is that long term planning is needed, which should also take into account the strengths and weaknesses of a country. While we got this right and we had some great results with this generation wc 1st and 3rd place, euro 2nd and 3rd place many other countries have failed because they refuse to understand that not all countries are spain/portugal/argentina technically, france/nigeria athletically or argentina/peak brasil talent wise. Winning a world cup takes more than talent and a good NT coach, a country needs to develop a team from 7 year olds to 30 year olds to win.

[ElNono]

The main problem is the coach, not the players.

You can say whatever you want about the lost finals but this same group of players played well under Sabella and Martino, and the cold hard facts prove it: Sabella 70% winning efficiency, Martino 74% winning efficiency. 3 consecutive finals, and only 3 games lost in the last 4 years.

Bauza came and fucked it all over. Folks used to bitch about beating teams like Venezuela, Peru and Chile by 3, 4, 5 goals but then failing in the finlas, but now we not only don't score 3, 4, 5 goals against Venezuela, Perú and Paraguay but we don't even beat them.

The problem isn't the players, it's the way that Bauza makes them play. Bauza is an old, outdated coach. Everybody, and their mothers, realizes that in modern football one of the main keys to be a good, competitive squad that wants to fight for the big prizes, is to have a short, compact team that presses as high as possible and doesn't give the other team time to think and/or play. Bauza doesn't believe on this, so he sets a team, with tactics from the stone age, where the defenders are stuck on their own box 50 metres away from the forwards. This leads to a long team that gets outnumbered on every part of the pitch, which means they can't make two passes on a row, they can't win the ball back quickly, and they can't win a 50/50 ball even if their lives depend on it. I know they just hired the guy, but if they don't get rid of him quickly Argentina is fucked.

That's bullshit. Bullshit. Some players are just not in a good moment right now, that shit happens... some guys like Di Maria, Rojo, they're fucking around. But they're Messi buddies... did you hear that shit about Lavezzi? Fuck that.

Guys like Gaitan or Biglia, just not NT level, period. Lots of selfishness and ego on that team right now.

This team is strictly Messi-dependent right now because the rest is playing at an absolute decrepit level. Heck, it would help Messi a whole lot to have a few guys more hungry and ready to work for him, not this egoistical bullshit.

Some of these guys have been playing for 6+ years together. Don't tell me they don't know how to make two passes in a row, that's not just on the coach. And some guys are starting to show their age... I love Masche, but he was dogshit the last two games.

Another goal on the near post on Romero... that's on the goalie. There's no accountability right now. They fuck up, and "its ok, they'll do better next game".

[DAF86]

That's bullshit. Bullshit. Some players are just not in a good moment right now, that shit happens... some guys like Di Maria, Rojo, they're fucking around. But they're Messi buddies... did you hear that shit about Lavezzi? Fuck that.

Guys like Gaitan or Biglia, just not NT level, period. Lots of selfishness and ego on that team right now.

This team is strictly Messi-dependent right now because the rest is playing at an absolute decrepit level. Heck, it would help Messi a whole lot to have a few guys more hungry and ready to work for him, not this egoistical bullshit.

Some of these guys have been playing for 6+ years together. Don't tell me they don't know how to make two passes in a row, that's not just on the coach. And some guys are starting to show their age... I love Masche, but he was dogshit the last two games.

Another goal on the near post on Romero... that's on the goalie. There's no accountability right now. They fuck up, and "its ok, they'll do better next game".

No, they won't do better next game unless the dumbass coach gets his shit in place.

[dfens]

I finally understood why you south american niggas can't pay good coaches, y'all sons are barely paying the energy bill .. that venezuela-brasil match tbh :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Canyonero]

I finally understood why you south american niggas can't pay good coaches, y'all sons are barely paying the energy bill .. that venezuela-brasil match tbh :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

:lol a little rain and lights go off.

[Brazil]

:lol Argentina is in a tough spot... better get their shit together quick

[lefty]

I finally understood why you south american niggas can't pay good coaches, y'all sons are barely paying the energy bill .. that venezuela-brasil match tbh :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
Marseille didn't pay the bill vs Milan :lol

[ElNono]

No, they won't do better next game unless the dumbass coach gets his shit in place.

These guys are going to get Bauza to quit or get fired, like Basile, Batista, Sabella, Martino... nothing's going to change. Some have been together for 10+ years and they think they're above the coach and the team, and they haven't won shit.

As long as the 'friends of Messi' think they own the NT, nothing is going to change. It's on Bauza to have the balls to take over the team and who to call and how to play, and if somebody doesn't like it, tough cookies. Or he's going to lose his job soon, and nothing is going to change again.

[DAF86]

These guys are going to get Bauza to quit or get fired, like Basile, Batista, Sabella, Martino... nothing's going to change. Some have been together for 10+ years and they think they're above the coach and the team, and they haven't won shit.

As long as the 'friends of Messi' think they own the NT, nothing is going to change. It's on Bauza to have the balls to take over the team and who to call and how to play, and if somebody doesn't like it, tough cookies. Or he's going to lose his job soon, and nothing is going to change again.

Dude, you do realize that this group of players won 73% of the pts under Sabella and Martino, and lost only 3 games in 4 years? You are talking like they have been stinking up the joint for years, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Don't be like those fuckers on facebook that call these young millonaires losers for being second, as if they ever came close to being second in whatever they fuck they do in life for a living.

[ElNono]

Dude, you do realize that this group of players won 73% of the pts under Sabella and Martino, and lost only 3 games in 4 years? You are talking like they have been stinking up the joint for years, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Don't be like those fuckers on facebook that call these young millonaires losers for being second, as if they ever came close to being second in whatever they fuck they do in life for a living.

They won 0% of the games that matter.... ZERO... maybe that's "acceptable" in this day and age, tbh, but once you've been a champ, you learn that nobody cares about #2. Maybe this is foreign to kids 20 and under, but some of us who were pretty young in '78 and teenagers in '86, know what this is all about. Second is not good enough. Heck, I'm not talking just world cup, add Copa Americas, etc.

People used to shit on Zanetti or Batistuta because they never won a World Cup with the NT, but at least they did bring some hardware home. That was the bar back then, winning the world cup. Copa America, we knew we'll get one here or there.

But I tell you what: analyzing the overall, it was a good cycle. A cycle that ended and it's begging for a renovation, but good. I don't call them spoiled millionaires, nor I say they don't have talent, but it's clear that there's something mental there, and there's also the fact that the Mascherano from 10 years ago is not today's Masche. Same with Di Maria. Sometimes when they get too comfy, you gotta kick them in the nuts a little a bit, see if they're still going to fight for it. Messi is the only guy that's so good that's untouchable. The rest should be up for debate.

And let's stop pretending this team plays well when Messi plays too. He saved our asses with that goal against Uruguay, in what was otherwise a terrible game. In the world cup, we almost tie with fucking Iran, 3-2 against Nigeria. Copa America in Argentina, we can't beat Uruguay. We got destroyed by Germany with Maradroga. Same group of guys. We don't need a savior, we need to build a better team around Messi. It's better for him too. It shouldn't be about his buddies. The NT should be above the names. You should earn the right to be there.

You sold me a young guy like Lo Celso... Alario, Maidana are pretty good too. Where are they? It's not like we don't have players that want a shot. Guys like Musacchio, Dybala, Mas, they need more time.

What the fuck is Demichelis doing there? Otra vez Zabaleta? Lavezzi is not even called up and training in Ezeiza. They think they own the team. It's bullshit and if it doesn't stop, they're going to swallow Bauza too.

That's why I preferred a coach like Simeone, somebody with balls, because that's what's going to take to clean up. Heck, hire Caruso Lombardi just to clean up, then fire him and hire a real coach.

[dfens]

They won 0% of the games that matter.... ZERO... maybe that's "acceptable" in this day and age, tbh, but once you've been a champ, you learn that nobody cares about #2. Maybe this is foreign to kids 20 and under, but some of us who were pretty young in '78 and teenagers in '86, know what this is all about. Second is not good enough. Heck, I'm not talking just world cup, add Copa Americas, etc.

People used to shit on Zanetti or Batistuta because they never won a World Cup with the NT, but at least they did bring some hardware home. That was the bar back then, winning the world cup. Copa America, we knew we'll get one here or there.

But I tell you what: analyzing the overall, it was a good cycle. A cycle that ended and it's begging for a renovation, but good. I don't call them spoiled millionaires, nor I say they don't have talent, but it's clear that there's something mental there, and there's also the fact that the Mascherano from 10 years ago is not today's Masche. Same with Di Maria. Sometimes when they get too comfy, you gotta kick them in the nuts a little a bit, see if they're still going to fight for it. Messi is the only guy that's so good that's untouchable. The rest should be up for debate.

And let's stop pretending this team plays well when Messi plays too. He saved our asses with that goal against Uruguay, in what was otherwise a terrible game. In the world cup, we almost tie with fucking Iran, 3-2 against Nigeria. Copa America in Argentina, we can't beat Uruguay. We got destroyed by Germany with Maradroga. Same group of guys. We don't need a savior, we need to build a better team around Messi. It's better for him too. It shouldn't be about his buddies. The NT should be above the names. You should earn the right to be there.

You sold me a young guy like Lo Celso... Alario, Maidana are pretty good too. Where are they? It's not like we don't have players that want a shot. Guys like Musacchio, Dybala, Mas, they need more time.

What the fuck is Demichelis doing there? Otra vez Zabaleta? Lavezzi is not even called up and training in Ezeiza. They think they own the team. It's bullshit and if it doesn't stop, they're going to swallow Bauza too.

That's why I preferred a coach like Simeone, somebody with balls, because that's what's going to take to clean up. Heck, hire Caruso Lombardi just to clean up, then fire him and hire a real coach.

son simeone on that argentina coaching job would bring you niggas hardware tbh. But he ain't leaving atletico for that whorehouse you call a federation.:lol

[Canyonero]

I don't rate Simeone as a winner tbh.

[spursistan]

I don't rate Simeone as a winner tbh.
nah..two impressive CL runs beating more talented Europeans juggernaut. He just didn't get the right bounces in the Finals both times his team was better throughout 90mins..

[Canyonero]

nah..two impressive CL runs beating more talented Europeans juggernaut. He just didn't get the right bounces in the Finals both times his team was better throughout 90mins..

So pretty much Argentina in the last tournaments.

[ElNono]

I don't rate Simeone as a winner tbh.

He might not be the greatest, but he was champ with Estudiantes, River... in Atletico he won La Liga, Copa del Rey, SuperCopa, UEFA Europa League and UEFA SuperCup.

And on paper, the point is that he's a guy with character that's not married to the players. Why did we go through 5 coaches if we're going to be playing the same shit?

I'm not even saying don't call some of these guys up anymore. Bring Lo Celso, tell Di Maria he's going to compete for a spot with him. At his current level, Di Maria is a reserve at best. Same thing with Masche.

Aguero is now saying he's not playing comfortable, and he's not used to play with another 9. That's the kind of shit that vanished Tevez from the NT, but because Aguero le seba mate a Messi, he gets to stay. Ridiculous, tbh...

[Canyonero]

He might not be the greatest, but he was champ with Estudiantes, River... in Atletico he won La Liga, Copa del Rey, SuperCopa, UEFA Europa League and UEFA SuperCup.

And on paper, the point is that he's a guy with character that's not married to the players. Why did we go through 5 coaches if we're going to be playing the same shit?

I'm not even saying don't call some of these guys up anymore. Bring Lo Celso, tell Di Maria he's going to compete for a spot with him. At his current level, Di Maria is a reserve at best. Same thing with Masche.

Aguero is now saying he's not playing comfortable, and he's not used to play with another 9. That's the kind of shit that vanished Tevez from the NT, but because Aguero le seba mate a Messi, he gets to stay. Ridiculous, tbh...

He ended last with River fwiw.

[DAF86]

They won 0% of the games that matter.... ZERO... maybe that's "acceptable" in this day and age, tbh, but once you've been a champ, you learn that nobody cares about #2. Maybe this is foreign to kids 20 and under, but some of us who were pretty young in '78 and teenagers in '86, know what this is all about. Second is not good enough. Heck, I'm not talking just world cup, add Copa Americas, etc.

People used to shit on Zanetti or Batistuta because they never won a World Cup with the NT, but at least they did bring some hardware home. That was the bar back then, winning the world cup. Copa America, we knew we'll get one here or there.

But I tell you what: analyzing the overall, it was a good cycle. A cycle that ended and it's begging for a renovation, but good. I don't call them spoiled millionaires, nor I say they don't have talent, but it's clear that there's something mental there, and there's also the fact that the Mascherano from 10 years ago is not today's Masche. Same with Di Maria. Sometimes when they get too comfy, you gotta kick them in the nuts a little a bit, see if they're still going to fight for it. Messi is the only guy that's so good that's untouchable. The rest should be up for debate.

And let's stop pretending this team plays well when Messi plays too. He saved our asses with that goal against Uruguay, in what was otherwise a terrible game. In the world cup, we almost tie with fucking Iran, 3-2 against Nigeria. Copa America in Argentina, we can't beat Uruguay. We got destroyed by Germany with Maradroga. Same group of guys. We don't need a savior, we need to build a better team around Messi. It's better for him too. It shouldn't be about his buddies. The NT should be above the names. You should earn the right to be there.

You sold me a young guy like Lo Celso... Alario, Maidana are pretty good too. Where are they? It's not like we don't have players that want a shot. Guys like Musacchio, Dybala, Mas, they need more time.

What the fuck is Demichelis doing there? Otra vez Zabaleta? Lavezzi is not even called up and training in Ezeiza. They think they own the team. It's bullshit and if it doesn't stop, they're going to swallow Bauza too.

That's why I preferred a coach like Simeone, somebody with balls, because that's what's going to take to clean up. Heck, hire Caruso Lombardi just to clean up, then fire him and hire a real coach.
ElNono is Bilardo and I didn't know it? :lol

P/S: What silverware did Zanetti win with Argentina?

[ElNono]

ElNono is Bilardo and I didn't know it? :lol

P/S: What silverware did Zanetti win with Argentina?

My bad, I thought Zanetti was in the 1993 Copa America team...

It's ok to hate Bilardo, because dude was a maniac, but he was also a workaholic. And he also had balls. He pretty much cleaned up the NT after they won in '78 and some players thought they were hot shit and owned the NT (hola Daniel). He knew who his best player was, and built a team around him. A real team. Valdano, who was a 'star' in Madrid, was marking people in on defense, then helping in midfield. Not this pussy ass shit from Aguero or Tevez of :cry I'm not comfortable playing here or there :cry.

lmao @ this team running away from Buenos Aires because :cry they hate us :cry. They hate you everywhere now because you fucking suck.

[ElNono]

He ended last with River fwiw.

He did win the Clausura 2008 with us, tbh...

[ElNono]

And yeah, not a fan of violinistas either.... I mean, if you win and play good looking football, all the better. But let's play well at least, then we can win or lose, or whatever, but this team hasn't played well in a while. And it's not all on Messi.

[urunobili]

urunobili is it late for merging?

I am pro merger TBH. God and Suarez together is fútbol porn...

[Canyonero]

He did win the Clausura 2008 with us, tbh...

So did Astrada and Pellegrini tbh.

[ElNono]

So did Astrada and Pellegrini tbh.

And Gallardo and Gallego... most championships won with a coach's last name starting with 'Gall'? Likely, IMO.

[ElNono]

Heard Bauza with Niembro yesterday, this niglet is encandilado con figuritas... buckle up, and hope Missi keeps bailing us out...