Tim and Manu... one more season?

[ElNono]

These could easily be the last regular season games for Timmy D and Manu... and the end of the good ole big 3.

I thought they both generally did very well considering the age and the role they play now.

They obviously show their age here or there, that's expected, tbh, but I'm not sure the Spurs would be a near 70-win team without them.

so,
- Do you think they have enough in the tank to come back for another season, if they so choose? I think they do.

- If they do come back, do you see that as a hindrance to develop younger players, robbing minutes from them? I think their roles and mins are limited already, so no.

- If they don't come back, how many wins do you think the team would be able to pull off next season? (if we pretend the roster basically stays the same, and competition too). I'm going with 50 wins, mid-high tier in the West.

[LakerHater]

I think this is Manu's last season. I figurin he wants to end his basketball with his country's national team.

[TheGreatYacht]

Don't want Tim's career stats to get ruined, tbh..

[dabom]

If porker retires we beat the bulls record. :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

I think this is it for both.

[apalisoc_9]

I want manu and tim to come back. It would be a major blow to the team becausr Manu and Tim are great at playing their respective roles.

[tmtcsc]

I think Manu can go one more year but not Tim. Tim's other knee is an issue now and its safe to say "the wheels" aint what they used to be.

[Old School 44]

I think Tim goes another year for sure. Manu, I think he's 50/50. I really think if Tim and Pop ask Manu to come back, I think he will. In talking about coming back this year, Manu said something to the effect I wanted to feel really needed and Pop told him he was.

Also, it would be nice to see Tim add to his record collection with the most games ever played, passing Parish and Kareem. With Kawhi and LaMarcus fully entrenched as the new superstars of the Spurs, and the Spurs still collecting 50+ win seasons, and now coming off a Spurs record for most wins in a season, why not come back.

BTW, I know this is trivial, but I'd hate for Tim and Manu to go into the HOF the same year as Kobe and probably KG.

[Obstructed_View]

The only way I'd be okay with either or both leaving is if they won the title this year.

[spurs10]

These could easily be the last regular season games for Timmy D and Manu... and the end of the good ole big 3.

I thought they both generally did very well considering the age and the role they play now.

They obviously show their age here or there, that's expected, tbh, but I'm not sure the Spurs would be a near 70-win team without them.

so,
- Do you think they have enough in the tank to come back for another season, if they so choose? I think they do.

- If they do come back, do you see that as a hindrance to develop younger players, robbing minutes from them? I think their roles and mins are limited already, so no.

- If they don't come back, how many wins do you think the team would be able to pull off next season? (if we pretend the roster basically stays the same, and competition too). I'm going with 50 wins, mid-high tier in the West. Today I relocated my tickets to many more games for twice the money and certainly thought about this. I'm thinking with the passing of the torch to LMA and Los Hand- they are probably leaning that way. There isn't the pressure they'd have otherwise.


The only way I'd be okay with either or both leaving is if they won the title this year. Then there is this...
:flag:

[gilmor]

This is it man.. This is their last season..

No more Tim or Manu next season.

[baseline bum]

Damn El, way to rain on our parade as an amazing season is coming to an end.

[spurs10]

Damn El, way to rain on our parade as an amazing season is coming to an end. :lol Yeah it's a tough one!

[Spur|n|Austin]

Manu has another year in him, Tim is done (hurts to say). Though Manu won't play another year, I think he's going out with Argentina.

[baseline bum]

Conversations with ElNono:


Javier: Hey El, check out my new car!
ElNono: You know it lost half its value once you drove it off the lot?


Hector: Hey nono man, I just got a job offer from Google.
ElNono: Nice, but you'll be training an Indian to take it over in a couple of years.


Guadalupe: Nono, I just got back from the hospital with my new baby boy Fernando.
ElNono: You know he'll die one day right?


Jose Luis: Nono man, I just proposed to my woman and she said yes!
ElNono: But you don't have a green card either.


Miguel: Hey Nono, my daughter Carmen just got into Yale.
ElNono: Have fun with that student loan.


Luz Elena: Nono, you wanna come in for coffee?
ElNono: What the fuck? This shit ain't even shaved.

[Proxy]

I think the playoffs will be an indicator for both, assuming they're both on the fence.

It was just last playoffs that Tim was blocking Blake's shot. Leads me to think he's embracing the twilight Admiral-role.

They both leave, the team loses it's two smartest players.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

These could easily be the last regular season games for Timmy D and Manu... and the end of the good ole big 3.

I thought they both generally did very well considering the age and the role they play now.

They obviously show their age here or there, that's expected, tbh, but I'm not sure the Spurs would be a near 70-win team without them.

so,
- Do you think they have enough in the tank to come back for another season, if they so choose? I think they do.

- If they do come back, do you see that as a hindrance to develop younger players, robbing minutes from them? I think their roles and mins are limited already, so no.

- If they don't come back, how many wins do you think the team would be able to pull off next season? (if we pretend the roster basically stays the same, and competition too). I'm going with 50 wins, mid-high tier in the West.

Word from people within the organization is that they believe Duncan will be back for another year, ring or no ring

[z0sa]

Tim's back one more year. Manu's probably gone imho.

[Spurtacular]

Tim's decline has been sharp. Maybe, he'll rediscover himself in the playoffs. I'd like to see him go out on back to back rings, tbh. Even then, I'd want him to stay.

[100%duncan]

The only way I'd be okay with either or both leaving is if they won the title this year.

[ElNono]

Conversations with ElNono:

Javier: Hey El, check out my new car!
ElNono: You know it lost half its value once you drove it off the lot?


Hector: Hey nono man, I just got a job offer from Google.
ElNono: Nice, but you'll be training an Indian to take it over in a couple of years.


Guadalupe: Nono, I just got back from the hospital with my new baby boy Fernando.
ElNono: You know he'll die one day right?


Jose Luis: Nono man, I just proposed to my woman and she said yes!
ElNono: But you don't have a green card either.


Miguel: Hey Nono, my daughter Carmen just got into Yale.
ElNono: Have fun with that student loan.


Luz Elena: Nono, you wanna come in for coffee?
ElNono: What the fuck? This shit ain't even shaved.

:lol

[ElNono]

Damn El, way to rain on our parade as an amazing season is coming to an end.

Well, hey, this stuff is happening, tbh... we all know the end is nigh when it comes to the glorious big 3, although I think they can both go for another season...

[rmt]

Don't see why they both can't go another season, especially Timmy. Do not want TD to enter HOF same year as Kobe.

[SAGirl]

Interesting topic. I will state something up front, I am not wishing for them to retire. I definitely think they can do another year, but it's getting to the very end of their careers and they are maybe ready.

1. For Timmy it's really the knees. They have been bothering him. Even smaller guys (6'10" rookie Trey Lyles for example) can do a number on him and shut him down. Frankly that is hard to see. The 0 FG, 0 rebound games will become more common. Him sitting out bc he can't handle matches or has sore knees will become more common. I am sure there are times where it has to be a struggle physically already, we just don't get to know about things like that and every time Pop rests these guys it's all CIA Pop this or that in here, but for me the Timmy rest this season was for real. When he got it, he hadn't been looking good for a few games already. Considering how many minutes he logged just last season in a more injured and worse roster, and him with quite the burden, it's amazing the difference in health and resilience and the need for rest, sore knees, etc. That will increase at 40. It really might be time.

2. Manu I think was ready to move on with his life already last season. He came back bc the team begged him and he still found the fire to play, but it wasn't an easy decision and he even had uncertainties about the national team. Him announcing his play for the national team after what projects to be a long postseason makes it seem as if this is his last hurrah.

I don't think he hurts Anderson's development at this point bc Pop is emboldening Kyle to make plays for others already and giving him the ball in positions to make plays. That is likely to be increased next season regardless of Manu.

Bottom line it's all about Tim and Manu, how they feel and what they want to do, not LMA, not Boban, not Kyle or Simmons. They both basically did this season whatever they could to get those guys developed or ready for roles, in case they do retire, a likelihood.

3. Bonner not being cut is another sign it's the last hurrah for the big 3 with Bonner too, a sentimental gift to keep them together.

4. I do think we get at least 50 wins next season, maybe more. We won't have this point differential, but still win a lot of games, health permitting. Kawhi's status will be cemented based on what he does post Tim/Manu and he is hungry, young and in his prime. Kyle will step up IMO. We survived the injuries to both Tim and Manu together with a winning record bc everyone upped his play, and Kyle stepped up no matter what role Pop asked him to play. He will be better next season with a more defined role.

We will be in need of a quality guard without Manu. I hope Simmons improves next season. He ended the regular season playing better and I like him more than Martin. For a while I thought if Manu retires maybe you could play Kyle/Martin together since Pop doesn't want to play too many youngsters together anyways, too many potential mistakes, but Kyle/Simmons are a definite better pairing.

I look forward to someone new as well, whether that is Bertans, this summer's draftee, or a free agent. We will get some kind of reinforcement.

[Kidd K]

Don't want Tim's career stats to get ruined, tbh..

Tim will gain #2 all time wins stat if he comes back next season. Hits #1 if he comes back for 2. Yeah his career averages will fall but it doesn't matter. Most wins ever is a fly ass fucking stat tbh.

Heard some stat on ESPN this morning: Duncan has more Wins than Michael Jordan has games played as a Bull. :lol

[313]

They're done

[turkish spurs fan]

i think manu will want sixth ring

[Thomas82]

Tim will gain #2 all time wins stat if he comes back next season. Hits #1 if he comes back for 2. Yeah his career averages will fall but it doesn't matter. Most wins ever is a fly ass fucking stat tbh.

Heard some stat on ESPN this morning: Duncan has more Wins than Michael Jordan has games played as a Bull. :lol


That's amazing!!

[Fireball]

Manu no, Timmy possible

[Mal]

Duncan is done, doubt he`ll comeback, Manu said he basicly was ready to retire last offseason.

[Chinook]

Eh. Manu's having an Indian Summer. He's looked done for large chunks of the year. If he can keep this up, obviously he's very useful, but it's also very possible that he'll continue to decline to the point where he has more bad days than good. Already you can see him forcing it a lot more and coming up empty. Only saving grace is that Anderson is there to take some of the load off Manu. If Ginobili can become a better off-ball presence, he can save his legs.

After what is hopefully a year-round basketball season for him, I don't know how much he'll have left to give. It's getting to the point where you can't just say "whatever percent Manu has to give is better than 100 percent for most players". The Spurs might have the cap space to get a legit guard in free agency this summer. They'll at least have to wonder if it makes sense to bypass that to keep a player who may not be able to play 1000 minutes next season.

[CGD]

Wonder what if any representations Tim made to LMA about staying should he sign with Spurs? In any event, doesn't the Spurs cap situation next summer make it such that we NEED Tim to stay one more year?

God bless Manu, but I think this may be it for him. It seems like the game is getting too fast for him these days.

[MB20]

I think they both come back, but Manu probably won´t.
Anyway, it´s a miracle Ginobili is still playing. People thought his NBA career would last 5/6 years tops with his style of play.

[exstatic]

Duncan, right now, is healthier and in better shape than "end game" DRob, who was 2-3 years younger when he went out. If the right knee bone bruise was an isolated incident, and it looks to be, he could go another year or two.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Duncan is more than likely coming back. I see him opting in his contract. It's 50/50 for Manu. If the Spurs win it this year, I do believe they come back to defend the title. Something that has eluded them.

I am just going to enjoy the rest of the season at this point and think about when

[pgardn]

Leadership takes a huge hit.

Understated phenomena. Especially with good young players like KL who is not vocal, and fragile egos like LMA and possibly Parker.

[Canyonero]

Nono you're like a father to me but I have to disagree.

[Leetonidas]

They both have game still obviously. But their bodies are just not what they used to be and both would have to be 15mpg subs next season which I would love but I honestly feel they will retire. but they also seem like the kind that if they won a chip they would try to defend it imo

[Spursfanfromafar]

Dudes are coming back next year for the last go-around. They signed their contracts keeping that possibility in mind and their level of play hasn't dropped off too much (Timmy has had a bigger drop, but his last season was amazing for a 39 year old).

[elemento]

I think Manu goes to the Olympics and retires after that. I think Timmy gets back for 1 more season.

[NameLess Scrub]

No. Timmy will perform an energy draining, legendary finals and disappear into dust as he scores the winning basket and earns FMVP.

Ginobili will give his last hoorah to his national team.



The only way I'd be okay with either or both leaving is if they won the title this year.

This. It would be great and would take away from me feeling like an idiot for not going to any of their games ever.

[SpursFan86]

Do I think they have enough in the tank and could still contribute for another year? Yeah.

Do I think they'll choose to stick around for one more year? Nah, I don't think they will.

[NameLess Scrub]

They both have game still obviously. But their bodies are just not what they used to be and both would have to be 15mpg subs next season which I would love but I honestly feel they will retire. but they also seem like the kind that if they won a chip they would try to defend it imo

They have very bad luck at repeating. If they ring they should probably go out in the high note instead of trying to be luckier than they were when they were in their primes.

Not that I wouldn't love it if they repeated.

[Mal]

Dudes are coming back next year for the last go-around. They signed their contracts keeping that possibility in mind and their level of play hasn't dropped off too much (Timmy has had a bigger drop, but his last season was amazing for a 39 year old).

They dont need to sign contracts to have place in this team. If they want to play next year, they now who to call.

[cutewizard]

end of an era

sad but we have to accept it

i guess ill have to fine myself a new manu idol, hmmmm

[cutewizard]

about leadership

can diaw and dwest hold the fort? what do you think guys?

and mills the cheerleader, integrator??

just thinking

[cutewizard]

i want a guy like John Wall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

if a superstar like Durant were to join the Spurs

perhaps Timmy and Manu would give it a last try, hahahahaha

[Leetonidas]

they would have to retire for them to even have the money for Durant hahahahhaha

[SAGirl]

Wonder what if any representations Tim made to LMA about staying should he sign with Spurs? In any event, doesn't the Spurs cap situation next summer make it such that we NEED Tim to stay one more year?

God bless Manu, but I think this may be it for him. It seems like the game is getting too fast for him these days.
I read Pop told LMA that Timmy would be there for whatever time they would get with him, at least this season, but that after that, they would always get other guys to pursue a championship, and emphasized that the team had younger guys with Kawhi, Tony, and Patty (who all attended that meeting). No guarantees beyond this season. POP did guarantee that he would coach his contract out in contrast.

[SpursforSix]

I think the playoffs will be an indicator for both, assuming they're both on the fence.

It was just last playoffs that Tim was blocking Blake's shot. Leads me to think he's embracing the twilight Admiral-role.

They both leave, the team loses it's two smartest players.

IDK. If they win a ring, it seems like an obvious spot for them to retire.
If they don't, I think it would be pretty daunting for them to gear up for another long season and put in the work again to try to get back.

[cutewizard]

Timmy can be Playing Coach, and play say, around 30 games in next year's regular season

so that the leadership will be there....why not???

Manu can retire and be something like Chief International Scout, sort of the informal Ambassador of the Spurs to Earth

wow!

[cutewizard]

if anything, Bonner should retire so that we can get another young guy

cmon Bonner............

[Keepin' it real]

Tim will gain #2 all time wins stat if he comes back next season. Hits #1 if he comes back for 2. Yeah his career averages will fall but it doesn't matter. Most wins ever is a fly ass fucking stat tbh.

Heard some stat on ESPN this morning: Duncan has more Wins than Michael Jordan has games played as a Bull. :lol


That's amazing!!

What's even more amazing is despite that stat, Jordan still leads 6 rings to 5.

Always hated Jordan, but gotta respect his accomplishments.

[SpursforSix]

about leadership

can diaw and dwest hold the fort? what do you think guys?

and mills the cheerleader, integrator??

just thinking

that's a tough one. I would think that it starts to fall on Kawhi. Duncan evolved from a somewhat quiet player to becoming the team leader. Have to hope that Kawhi has that in him.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Conversations with ElNono:


Javier: Hey El, check out my new car!
ElNono: You know it lost half its value once you drove it off the lot?


Hector: Hey nono man, I just got a job offer from Google.
ElNono: Nice, but you'll be training an Indian to take it over in a couple of years.


Guadalupe: Nono, I just got back from the hospital with my new baby boy Fernando.
ElNono: You know he'll die one day right?


Jose Luis: Nono man, I just proposed to my woman and she said yes!
ElNono: But you don't have a green card either.


Miguel: Hey Nono, my daughter Carmen just got into Yale.
ElNono: Have fun with that student loan.


Luz Elena: Nono, you wanna come in for coffee?
ElNono: What the fuck? This shit ain't even shaved.

:lol

[SAGirl]

about leadership

can diaw and dwest hold the fort? what do you think guys?

and mills the cheerleader, integrator??

just thinking
I think Kyle. TbH he's a natural. Seems like a coach on the floor. Getting guys in their spots, getting shots for guys. It comes very natural for him and he's done it for every team in his young career. We have seen it in the garbage time lineups and those lineups with him did very well with him as a point forward. He was just too young and learning himself + we have the veterans in the team to not need that, but the Spurs have been developing not just his playmaking ability but his leadership too, for when it's time.

[ElNono]

Nono you're like a father to me but I have to disagree.

Look firmly at my avatar.... "I AM your father" :lol

[Russo21]

They'll both be back next year. I'm just not ready for them to retire. I even just get a kick out of watching them goofing off on the bench together during blowouts.

2015 TD: 29MPG, 13.9PPG, 9.1RPG, 2BPG, 51%FG
2016 TD: 25MPG, 8.4PPG, 7.4RPG, 1.3BPG, 49%FG

2015 MANU: 22MPG, 10.5PPG, 3 RPG, 4.2APG, 1.0SPG, 42%FG & 34%3PTFG
2016 MANU: 19MPG, 9.7PPG, 2.6RPG, 3.1APG, 1.1SPG, 45%FG & 39%3PTFG

Manu's shooting is still pretty good, better than last year and his nearly 10ppg and 3apg in just 19mpg ranks quite nicely = 20ppg and 6ppg in a usual shooting guards 38 minutes, Manu shows good production still in limited minutes. Not bad for a 38 year old whose been playing pro basketball since he started walking. I can't be bothered checking but how many strictly backup SGs are averaging 10ppg, 3apg, 1.1spg, 45%FG and 39%3PTFG? Not bad production from your backup SG no matter his age. Shooting wise he has improved, his numbers minute wise are steady.

Tim's story tells a bit of a different tale, last year I thought he was clearly still one of the best bigs in the NBA and played a pretty healthy 77 games. It was just unfortunate he was the only good big man on a team who went up against huge athletic freaks of nature in Black Griffin and DeAndre Jordan in the first bloody round. If it wasn't for Tim, that series woulda been lost in 4 games as he battled those guys admirably, instead of being taken to the last possession of game 7. This year Tim has played just 58 games and nothing has seemed all that smooth or comfortable out there. This year you can tell he's the oldest guy on the court, last year you couldn't.

Tim averaged 17.9ppg, 11.1rpg, 3.3apg, 1.4bpg, 1.3spg and shot 59% in the playoffs against the Clippers! That was a nasty stat line by the old man considering his opponents. So, has he been coasting this year waiting for the playoffs or has his age and body betrayed him and he's finally fallen off the cliff? We landed the prize free agent LMA in free agency who has been sensational and watched as Kawhi morphed into one of the very best players in the game. Therefore Tim just has to play D, grab some boards and be there on offense to clean up the mess in a season where hardly any plays have been called for him. 8.4ppg, 7.4rpg, 1.3bpg, 59%FG is pretty bloody good for your spare big man who doesn't give a shit about numbers. His stats this year are hard to look at by his standards yet his team has their best record in history and in a game full of young athletic marvels those stats combined with a PER OF 17.22 aint bad.

Say Tim does retire, whose gonna fill his giant shoes? Which big out there (available and on a budget) can line up alongside LMA and Kawhi, not get in their way, help the team play league leading defence and be the best leader in the game?

I really want them both around for another year. If we can get a legit centre this offseason, not an all star, just someone of Tiago's calibre maybe, Tim could play all season off the bench. Instead of playing the likes of Jordan, Bosh, Griffin, Howard, Porzingis, Davis, Cousins, Drummond and all those big freaks he can play against other teams reserve bigs? I think he is too smart and still good enough to play another year. As long as he becomes the teams 3rd best big and comes off the bench with Manu. Who is available this offseason to take Tim's spot in the starting lineup if he retires? Tim can play solid minutes off the bench and hopefully show the other teams bench bigs that he is still a boss. I'm just not ready to see him go. If we can get someone to take his starting spot and have him come of the bench and be a boss against other bench bigs that'd be awesome. Please stick around Manu and TD! You are both too important, too smart and to loved to leave just yet. The car on 3 wheels driven by 2 old men is headed toward the cliff, but it's still another 14 months away, I hope :)Still a little gas left in the tank and some tread on the wheels.

[spursistan]

These could easily be the last regular season games for Timmy D and Manu... and the end of the good ole big 3.

I thought they both generally did very well considering the age and the role they play now.

They obviously show their age here or there, that's expected, tbh, but I'm not sure the Spurs would be a near 70-win team without them.

so,
- Do you think they have enough in the tank to come back for another season, if they so choose? I think they do.

- If they do come back, do you see that as a hindrance to develop younger players, robbing minutes from them? I think their roles and mins are limited already, so no.

- If they don't come back, how many wins do you think the team would be able to pull off next season? (if we pretend the roster basically stays the same, and competition too). I'm going with 50 wins, mid-high tier in the West.

i think we can be a 54-56 win team (with no TD/Manu) given the conference can get weakened even more..Other than the Warriors, some serious question marks over the rest..

* Clippers/Thunder could conceivably lose both Durant/Griffin in free agency/trade..LAC are going to give that core a hard look after (likely) another 2nd round exit..

* Dallas/Memphis have no future and are comprised of old farts and damaged goods (Dirk, Zbo, Gasol,Wes, Parsons..etc....) with little to no chance at major upgrade in FA

* Utah/Portland: gimmicky teams with 2nd round ceiling..

* Houston..Dwight likely out and they have no game-changing talent outside Harden..the latter cancerous play won't help their summer recruiting.

* Wolves/Pelicans: they will improve and but are nowhere near contention.

* Lakers/Nuggets/Sacramento/Suns: lottery fodder..that's basically at least 12 guaranteed wins :lol..

[Russo21]

Maybe they can be player/coaches next year? Play when they can and want to? Coach the rest of the time. They'd both make kickass assistant coaches, 2 of the smartest basketball minds in the world and know the Spurs system better than anyone.

[TampaDude]

Win title. Both retire.

[beirmeistr]

I think Manu is playing grest for a 38- year-old player. His legs are good, his knees are good, he still has quick hands, he's still an excellent passer, he still has his shooting touch. There is nothing stopping him from playing another year except his will to play. I think he"ll be back.
Oh, and with that nose he smells another title.

[gambit1990]

duncan has to have another season in him.

really don't wanna see manu retire yet. would much rather him play for us after next year's all star break than retire. manu will play next season imo.

[Blue-Lightning]

Tim and Manu are better than anybody the Spurs can get in the offseason. It's in the team's best interest that they return.

[T_L_P]

It would hurt us if they retire (especially at their price ranges), but I see Manu going no matter what and Tim retiring if we win it all or go out early. He'll come back if we lose in the Finals or a close WCF series.