View Full Version : Donovan: "I really actually thought we played pretty good defense and did a good job"
Mugen
05-01-2016, 02:29 PM
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:lol WTF?
Spurs 4 The Win
05-01-2016, 02:35 PM
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:lol WTF?
Who wouldve thought that you could actually downgrade from Scott Brooks :lol
Dont change a thing Billy, you got it next time
spursistan
05-01-2016, 02:41 PM
if Sam Presti wasn't hipster and fake-smart type, he would be Mark-Jackson status once he eventually get fired in OKC.. the way he bungled the coaching part--among other things-- in his tenure is absolutely unforgivable..
the soon-to-be OKC closed title window (2012-2016) is going to be a case study on how a franchise can waste the prime years of two top 5 players :lol
Ron Swanson
05-01-2016, 02:47 PM
That's Billy. He's in my class. I heard he's retarded or something.
lefty20
05-01-2016, 02:54 PM
Dont change a thing Billy, you got it next time
This, tbh.
houston spurs fan
05-01-2016, 02:57 PM
Who wouldve thought that you could actually downgrade from Scott Brooks :lol
This. He made no adjustments out there last night, dude was lost...Presti, thank you once again
Taken out of context.
I don't know what kind of context makes that better, but I'll keep an open mind. That looks pretty dumb.
I don't know what kind of context makes that better, but I'll keep an open mind. That looks pretty dumb.
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timtonymanu
05-01-2016, 03:06 PM
if Sam Presti wasn't hipster and fake-smart type, he would be Mark-Jackson status once he eventually get fired in OKC.. the way he bungled the coaching part--among other things-- in his tenure is absolutely unforgivable..
the soon-to-be OKC closed title window (2012-2016) is going to be a case study on how a franchise can waste the prime years of two top 5 players :lol
And trading away one :lol
timtonymanu
05-01-2016, 03:07 PM
Even worse than Scotty's "We're a free throw shooting team" comment
apalisoc_9
05-01-2016, 03:22 PM
I think at this point, we can safely assume that okc coaches are just sock puppets. Durant and Westbrook are never going to buy into a system. Thats a negative on their abilities.
if Sam Presti wasn't hipster and fake-smart type, he would be Mark-Jackson status once he eventually get fired in OKC.. the way he bungled the coaching part--among other things-- in his tenure is absolutely unforgivable..
the soon-to-be OKC closed title window (2012-2016) is going to be a case study on how a franchise can waste the prime years of three top 10 players, with Durant-Westbrook-Harden-Ibaka-Jackson costing less than $39 million combined when the cheap owners decided Harden was too expensive (after having traded the average Jeff Green for Perkins' corpse) :lol
Fixed it
Spurs 4 The Win
05-01-2016, 03:24 PM
if Sam Presti wasn't hipster and fake-smart type, he would be Mark-Jackson status once he eventually get fired in OKC.. the way he bungled the coaching part--among other things-- in his tenure is absolutely unforgivable..
the soon-to-be OKC closed title window (2012-2016) is going to be a case study on how a franchise can waste the prime years of two top 5 players :lol
They really had something special in 2012, they were on an upward trajectory and the league wanted a LeBron-Durant rivalry. And ever since then they have made every wrong decision possible. I remember the day they traded Harden was when I knew the Spurs would win another title.
TheGreatYacht
05-01-2016, 03:31 PM
I think at this point, we can safely assume that okc coaches are just sock puppets. Durant and Westbrook are never going to buy into a system. Thats a negative on their abilities.
"KD crossed out" avi? :lol
spurraider21
05-01-2016, 03:42 PM
:lmao jeff mcdonald
LaMarcus Bryant
05-01-2016, 04:26 PM
That's Billy. He's in my class. I heard he's retarded or something.
LOL
TampaDude
05-01-2016, 04:30 PM
Billy Donovan was one of the best college basketball coaches in the nation, but he's in over his head against Popovich and the Spurs. To be fair, most coaches are.
ffadicted
05-01-2016, 04:39 PM
AFter watching the video the quote was totally fine tbh... we are probably never gonna shoot that well again in this series
DPG21920
05-01-2016, 04:43 PM
I mean, there really weren't very many good defensive possessions so even if he was not talking broadly I still don't know what he's seeing.
Spurs may not shoot that well again, but it wasn't because of good defense. If the Spurs get the same looks they got in game 1, they should have an excellent shooting series.
Yeah, see, in my mind that doesn't make it better. When you have to call attention to the fact that not EVERY possession was bad, you should just say "we came out flat and they out-played us" or something. Or go the Pop route and say, "They made more shots than us." That's like talking about the fact that they won the garbage time battle. I guess it doesn't matter, except it makes him look weak.
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Vito Corleone
05-01-2016, 05:24 PM
I also didn't think their defense was any worse than it has been throughout the year. It was on the same level as it has been all year.
This is the PLAYOFFS!!!
If you don't up your game you go home, the Spurs just showed them that they will have to come with more intensity from this point forward. Good lesson for the Thunder, lets see how they play from this point forward, none of those margin of victory points transfer over for the next game.
Spur|n|Austin
05-01-2016, 05:31 PM
That's Billy. He's in my class. I heard he's retarded or something.
:lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqAOHof4GmM
baseline bum
05-01-2016, 05:43 PM
I expect to see a lot of Durant in the post in Game 2 to try to pull Leonard off Westbrook. If not, I don't know what the fuck Donovan is thinking after seeing Leonard completely take away Westbrook's post game.
exstatic
05-01-2016, 05:49 PM
I expect to see a lot of Durant in the post in Game 2 to try to pull Leonard off Westbrook. If not, I don't know what the fuck Donovan is thinking after seeing Leonard completely take away Westbrook's post game.
That would make sense, but Barkley has been bitching at him all year to post up, and he hasn't. I really don't expect it now.
Not sure what they should've done differently. It's not like they can afford to double LMA on the perimeter. Spurs got a lot of baskets on turnovers. Thunder shoot a little better and Spurs miss some of those jumpers they made and game 2 will be closer. And SA media will talk about OKC's improved defense.
Dancelot
05-01-2016, 08:34 PM
That's Billy. He's in my class. I heard he's retarded or something.
Nice!:lol
Xevious
05-01-2016, 08:55 PM
Not sure what they should've done differently. It's not like they can afford to double LMA on the perimeter. Spurs got a lot of baskets on turnovers. Thunder shoot a little better and Spurs miss some of those jumpers they made and game 2 will be closer. And SA media will talk about OKC's improved defense.
LMA was wide open all night. It has nothing to do with them doubling or not, they just couldn't guard the pick and pop.
SAGirl
05-01-2016, 09:41 PM
There are things he can do. Double up? LMA specially is not very good passing out of doubles. Sometimes it forces a reset and a bad contested shot from a roleplayer, others it's a live TO. Force Tony to shoot jumpers, go under picks, double off Anderson forcing Pop to play Martin, call more plays for Durant coming off screens, play him GSW style, quick trigger coming off a screen, force switches with a big, look for post ups with Tony, if not Durant/Westbrook then Dion Waiters must go right at Tony. There are a lot if things they can do.
Like they say in th playoffs, each game has a life of its own.
LMA was wide open all night. It has nothing to do with them doubling or not, they just couldn't guard the pick and pop.
I don't think he was wide open. Maybe on a few shots. It's just that the Thunder bigs can't guard him on the perimeter. So if he's making his shots out there, he's going to have a big night. And Thunder can't put a small forward on him to bother his shot bc he can work them in the post. Needless to say, he won't make all those jumpers tomorrow, but he'll make enough to cause headaches.
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Maybe. He doubled down on that by saying "but there are things we need to do better". If you are talking about specific possessions, then it's bad form to expound by dragging the entire game into the same phrase. 'There were possessions....I really actually thought" He didn't say "we had some good possessions at the defensive end". He said "there were possessions" then "I actually thought we played good defense".
Spurs fans are not accustomed to seeing a coach trying to protect his job in the media through gaslighting but it's much more common than how Pop handles the truth.
I don't think he was wide open. Maybe on a few shots. It's just that the Thunder bigs can't guard him on the perimeter. So if he's making his shots out there, he's going to have a big night. And Thunder can't put a small forward on him to bother his shot bc he can work them in the post. Needless to say, he won't make all those jumpers tomorrow, but he'll make enough to cause headaches.
Danny's contributions to the offense are underrated for that game. If Danny doesn't go forest fire mode, guys can sag off him and he probably doesn't play as aggressive on defense, and maybe Pop doesn't even leave him out there as long. When Danny and Manu are hitting 3's, the floor is going to be wide open for LMA and KL.
Silver&Black
05-01-2016, 10:19 PM
That's Billy. He's in my class. I heard he's retarded or something.
Ron Swan...
My nigga.
Spurtacular
05-02-2016, 01:00 AM
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:lol WTF?
I didn't think anyone could be a bigger pussy than Scott Brooks.
Old School 44
05-02-2016, 07:25 AM
Spurs fans are not accustomed to seeing a coach trying to protect his job in the media through gaslighting but it's much more common than how Pop handles the truth.
Pop never tells the truth after games like this. He usually overplays the humility card. He usually says things like "we had a great night, they had a poor night. It happens." Then later you hear guys like Danny, parroting this same message.
I understand they don't want to give the Thunder and the media any bulletin board material, but it would be fun to see Pop say, "we executed our game plan to perfection, and we kicked the living shit out of them. Hopefully, we can crush them again in game 2". :)
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
05-02-2016, 10:50 AM
LMA was wide open all night. It has nothing to do with them doubling or not, they just couldn't guard the pick and pop.
Like I said earlier, Barkley was asinine to say Ibaka was going to be the difference in this series. Before yes. But with LMA, he can't just guard the penetrating players anymore and go for blocks. LMA will eat him for lunch on the pass out, which he did just that on Saturday. If Ibaka plays this way again, expect another 30+ night from LMA and a Spurs double digit win.
BillMc
05-02-2016, 11:16 AM
Like I said earlier, Barkley was asinine to say Ibaka was going to be the difference in this series. Before yes. But with LMA, he can't just guard the penetrating players anymore and go for blocks. LMA will eat him for lunch on the pass out, which he did just that on Saturday. If Ibaka plays this way again, expect another 30+ night from LMA and a Spurs double digit win.
This.
Like I said earlier, Barkley was asinine to say Ibaka was going to be the difference in this series. Before yes. But with LMA, he can't just guard the penetrating players anymore and go for blocks. LMA will eat him for lunch on the pass out, which he did just that on Saturday. If Ibaka plays this way again, expect another 30+ night from LMA and a Spurs double digit win.
I think Pop's strategy is let Ibaka try to score 30 points on jumpers and limit Durrant and Westbrook. So it shows you how far afield Barkley is at understanding the game stratigically.
if Sam Presti wasn't hipster and fake-smart type, he would be Mark-Jackson status once he eventually get fired in OKC.. the way he bungled the coaching part--among other things-- in his tenure is absolutely unforgivable..
the soon-to-be OKC closed title window (2012-2016) is going to be a case study on how a franchise can waste the prime years of two top 5 players :lol
:lol
I actually thought this the other day. He doesn't seem anything like the dude who used to be in SA.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/spurs/presti_200.jpg
http://www.rantsports.com/nba/files/2015/10/Sam-Presti.jpg
Chinook
05-02-2016, 12:04 PM
I expect to see a lot of Durant in the post in Game 2 to try to pull Leonard off Westbrook. If not, I don't know what the fuck Donovan is thinking after seeing Leonard completely take away Westbrook's post game.
That would make sense, but Barkley has been bitching at him all year to post up, and he hasn't. I really don't expect it now.
Posting up Durant doesn't work well for OKC. Even so, they did it repeatedly last game. Don't let Webber fool you. I haven't gotten to that point of the breakdown, but there was a stretch early in the game where the Thunder posted Durant on Green for like six straight possessions. One problem was their entry passes sucked, so Green could force Durant to catch the ball near the three-point line.
Biggest problem, though, is the Durant doesn't have an advantage in the post. He's tall and skinny, and that doesn't help you back down people well. Don't people remember Game Six of the WCF where that was all OKC ran, and Danny took Durant's cookie four times in the second half? KD couldn't even back down CP3. People like Chuck are just idiots for suggesting it. Even when Durant gets some success, it's not enough to force a switch. KD isn't getting 30-plus points off posting up Green, or Manu OR Anderson. He's just not a good post player.
The adjustment needs to be the same on Brooks made for Westbrook in 2014. Russ has to attack Leonard. Kawhi got into foul trouble essentially doing nothing last game. In Game Six of the 2014, Kawhi picked up four fouls against Westbrook, and Russ was perfectly efficient in that match-up (14 points on 12 possessions) compared to the poor game he had overall (34 points on 39 possession). Obviously, Kawhi is a lot better now, so I don't think that's an easy fix for OKC. But rather than getting something awful like .8 PPP with Durant, they have to get Westbrook involved.
T Park
05-02-2016, 01:00 PM
Not sure what they should've done differently. It's not like they can afford to double LMA on the perimeter. Spurs got a lot of baskets on turnovers. Thunder shoot a little better and Spurs miss some of those jumpers they made and game 2 will be closer. And SA media will talk about OKC's improved defense.
If the Spurs defend the same as they did game 1 the thunder won't shoot much better.
Hell Serge Ibaka shot almost perfect and they still got boat raced.
T Park
05-02-2016, 01:02 PM
There are things he can do. Double up? LMA specially is not very good passing out of doubles. Sometimes it forces a reset and a bad contested shot from a roleplayer, others it's a live TO. Force Tony to shoot jumpers, go under picks, double off Anderson forcing Pop to play Martin, call more plays for Durant coming off screens, play him GSW style, quick trigger coming off a screen, force switches with a big, look for post ups with Tony, if not Durant/Westbrook then Dion Waiters must go right at Tony. There are a lot if things they can do.
Like they say in th playoffs, each game has a life of its own.
I hope to god they post up Andre Roberson on Parker.
You should coach the thunder, that's brilliant.
BillMc
05-02-2016, 01:25 PM
Posting up Durant doesn't work well for OKC. Even so, they did it repeatedly last game. Don't let Webber fool you. I haven't gotten to that point of the breakdown, but there was a stretch early in the game where the Thunder posted Durant on Green for like six straight possessions. One problem was their entry passes sucked, so Green could force Durant to catch the ball near the three-point line.
Biggest problem, though, is the Durant doesn't have an advantage in the post. He's tall and skinny, and that doesn't help you back down people well. Don't people remember Game Six of the WCF where that was all OKC ran, and Danny took Durant's cookie four times in the second half? KD couldn't even back down CP3. People like Chuck are just idiots for suggesting it. Even when Durant gets some success, it's not enough to force a switch. KD isn't getting 30-plus points off posting up Green, or Manu OR Anderson. He's just not a good post player.
The adjustment needs to be the same on Brooks made for Westbrook in 2014. Russ has to attack Leonard. Kawhi got into foul trouble essentially doing nothing last game. In Game Six of the 2014, Kawhi picked up four fouls against Westbrook, and Russ was perfectly efficient in that match-up (14 points on 12 possessions) compared to the poor game he had overall (34 points on 39 possession). Obviously, Kawhi is a lot better now, so I don't think that's an easy fix for OKC. But rather than getting something awful like .8 PPP with Durant, they have to get Westbrook involved.
Nice. :toastPosts like that are the reason we all come to Spurstalk.
Pop never tells the truth after games like this. He usually overplays the humility card. He usually says things like "we had a great night, they had a poor night. It happens." Then later you hear guys like Danny, parroting this same message.
I understand they don't want to give the Thunder and the media any bulletin board material, but it would be fun to see Pop say, "we executed are game plan to perfection, and we kicked the living shit out of them. Hopefully, we can crush them again in game 2". :)
Didn't say Pop tells the truth. I said "how Pop handles the truth". Pop doesn't explain, just deflects to the questioner as if they have no business asking the question.
Obstructed_View
05-02-2016, 02:30 PM
Billy Donovan was one of the best college basketball coaches in the nation.
Was he, though? Seems like just about any decent coach could win with three top-ten NBA lottery picks on your roster for two years. It's pretty hard to just skate by on superior talent in the NBA.
Obstructed_View
05-02-2016, 02:33 PM
Like I said earlier, Barkley was asinine to say Ibaka was going to be the difference in this series. Before yes. But with LMA, he can't just guard the penetrating players anymore and go for blocks. LMA will eat him for lunch on the pass out, which he did just that on Saturday. If Ibaka plays this way again, expect another 30+ night from LMA and a Spurs double digit win.
The only thing more asinine would be if Lamarcus doesn't immediately sprint to the low block every time Ibaka checks him.
YGWHI
05-02-2016, 03:27 PM
There are things he can do. Double up? LMA specially is not very good passing out of doubles. Sometimes it forces a reset and a bad contested shot from a roleplayer, others it's a live TO.
After our 3P% in last game, Donovan can be too afraid to double LMA, even is he's not that good at finding the open guy.
Who knows but he could copy the Warriors, they let LMA open in pick and pops but trap Kawhi high and double him too.
LMA was feasting with those shots but it wasn't enough to win.
YGWHI
05-02-2016, 03:34 PM
look for post ups with Tony, if not Durant/Westbrook then Dion Waiters must go right at Tony.
They need to attack Parker all game from every spot on the floor, but they can't do it with Roberson. If they don't start Waiters, at least, they should play him more minutes.
SAGirl
05-02-2016, 06:12 PM
After our 3P% in last game, Donovan can be too afraid to double LMA, even is he's not that good at finding the open guy.
Who knows but he could copy the Warriors, they let LMA open in pick and pops but trap Kawhi high and double him too.
LMA was feasting with those shots but it wasn't enough to win.
Yeah they need to take away somebody. Seems like last game they didn't take away anything or anybody.:lol
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