OT: Soccer "More and more Americans like watching people kick round balls" [Archive]

spursistan

06-08-2016, 04:54 PM

From widely respected Economist magazine..

According to a poll for ESPN, soccer has become the second-most popular sport for 12-24 year olds, after American football, and is the standout leader among Hispanics of the same age.

Last year, the Women’s World Cup final attracted a domestic TV audience of 27m—roughly the same as the record-setting college American football championship game in 2015. Until recently, the challenge had been to keep people interested between World Cups. A rise in the number of games from other countries that are broadcast live has helped. According to Stephen Master of Nielsen, which measures such things, there is now more live soccer available on American TV than in any other country.

In 2015, newly formed New York City FC sold 15,000 season tickets before they had kicked a ball. The league is set to grow from 20 to 24 teams over the next two seasons, and one of the youngest, most eclectic fan bases of all American sports—52% of MLS fans are aged 18-34, the highest proportion of any professional sports league.

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21699484-more-and-more-americans-watching-people-kick-round-balls-kick-turn?frsc=dg%7Cd

America needs fluke its way to top 10 player and host another World Cup and all bets are off..Huge potential for Corporate America in the sport, tbh..

HarlemHeat37

06-08-2016, 04:56 PM

It's the most fun sport to play, tbh..only thing I dislike is how short players aren't at a disadvantage like they are in all other sports:lol

spankadelphia

06-08-2016, 05:04 PM

:lolPoverty ball

K...

06-08-2016, 05:12 PM

:lolPoverty ball

Not once America gets its way....

spursistan

06-08-2016, 05:14 PM

Not once America gets its way....
:lol

Chris

06-08-2016, 05:17 PM

:lolPoverty ball

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 05:17 PM

US of Gay will never put out a National Team that's even competitive with the best in the world :lol

The MLS final drew a pathetic 0.4 Nielsen rating.

It's fun watching actual good players in Europe, South America, and Mexico though

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 05:21 PM

By the way, last Sunday's Mexico-Uruguay game drew more viewers on Univision than any of the Hockey finals games :lmao

At the same time as the Finals and Game of Thrones, too....

:lol sports that use sticks
:lol white American/Candian dominated sports

Caltex2

06-08-2016, 05:38 PM

Kawhitstorm

06-08-2016, 05:57 PM

It's the most fun sport to play, tbh..only thing I dislike is how short players aren't at a disadvantage like they are in all other sports:lol

If we're talking about relative height difference:
-Barry Sanders
-Wayne Gretzky
-Wardell
-Demetrious Johnson
-Tyson

:wakeup

...let's not even talk about individual sports where athletes don't have to face each other.

midnightpulp

06-08-2016, 06:35 PM

:lol Soccer is on such on massive upward trend, that an international match featuring our men's team can barely beat women's softball :lmao

http://sportstvratings.com/usa-costa-rica-copa-america-oklahoma-auburn-softball-lead-cable-sports-tv-ratings-for-tuesday-june-7-2016/5209/

The "growing popularity" among 12-24 year olds is easily explained by the fact that the birth rate among hispanics over the last couple of decades well outpaces that of native born Americans who've been here at least a couple generations (note: Mexican-Americans of 3rd and 4th generations don't really give a shit about povertyball). And the great ratings the women drew is easily explained by patriotism. Americans will tune in en masse to watch shit like swimming and gymnastics if the US is competing internationally.

God, I hate this "sport." Sorry. I think it's a fundamentally broken game design that is only popular because 3rd worlders can play it with a goat's head.

Why is it broken?

Low and predictable scoring.

"Haha, you're just a dumb American who needs scoring to be entertained!"

Not really. Sports and games in which scoring is difficult are just less interesting by default due to the low comeback factor and the variety of cheap tactics a defense can employ when it gets a lead (i.e. parking the bus). Soccer games play out in such a predictable and uneventful way most of the time. Pretty much every game is some variation of a 0-0, 1-0, 2-1, 3-1, 3-2 scoreline. I'm not saying there is isn't drama and interesting comebacks at times, but nothing that compares to the utter miracles that happen in American sports. Once a team goes up by a couple of goals in soccer, game is pretty much over (and yes, I know there have been comebacks, trust me, I've tried getting into this sport before).

The low scoring factor also prevents punch-counterpunch shootouts from happening to the extent that they happen in American sports. For example, you'll never see Messi and Ronaldo trading multiple goals in a huge matchup.

Basketball obviously has this. Football has this. And baseball has this in the form of a pitcher's duel and/or high run games where teams are trading homers and big hits.

Ties. Soooooo many ties in this sport, which again, is evidence of its poor design. And overtime doesn't guarantee a winner like in other sports. So what is the solution? To decide the match on a fuckin' minigame that little resembles the main game aside from kicking the ball. I don't care how "dramatic" shootouts are, it is a cheap way to end something as an important as a World Cup final.

Very high luck factor. A team can dominate another in terms of time of possession, shots on goal, corner attempts, and still lose the game 1-0 on something as cheap as the opponent diving in the box and scoring on his free kick. Which brings me to:

Fouls in the box are disproportionally awarded. We've established how important a single goal is, yet a player who is fouled in the box, even if he didn't have the ball or wasn't in an advantageous scoring position is given a free shot on goal that he'll convert over 90% of the time.

"But basketball does this with FTs."

True, and look how we rage when the "Thunderrefs" are given excessive trips to the line. Luckily, goals in basketball are cheap so it isn't impossible for a team to overcome a a big FTA deficit, but in soccer, if one team gets a couple of penalty kicks in the box, game is essentially over. So many matches have been decided by this ("No Era Penal," Mexico winning CONCACAF on the back of, I think, 3 free penalty kicks over the last 3 rounds).

And diving. No other sport rewards blatant acting like soccer.

/end rant

Kawhitstorm

06-08-2016, 06:52 PM

:lol Soccer is on such on massive upward trend, that an international match featuring our men's team can barely beat women's softball :lmao

Trying to sell Futbol to Yankees is like marking Football to the rest of the world.:lol

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 06:52 PM

I'd rather we dominate sports that are highly sophisticated to play and fun to watch.
Like what? Baseball? :lmao Hockey? :lmao

Wanna talk boring... Just watch the NBA Finals.

Caltex2

06-08-2016, 07:07 PM

Like what? Baseball? :lmao Hockey? :lmao

Wanna talk boring... Just watch the NBA Finals.

Or the World Cup in general. I like it for the national fervor and all but aside from that, the only thing that ever caught my attention was the US's run to the quarterfinals in 2002 (especially the Portugal game) and the Brazil booty whipping a couple years back in front of their fans.

As someone said, poverty ball.

Thread

06-08-2016, 07:08 PM

It's always been a great babysitting tool, but, that's it.

whitemamba

06-08-2016, 07:12 PM

I'm confused ... Is baseball supposed to be a sport ? The good players are juicing and the bad ones are fat.

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 07:12 PM

It's always been a great babysitting tool, but, that's it.
Bend over, I'll show ya a good fuckin tool to sit on

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 07:15 PM

I'm confused ... Is baseball supposed to be a sport ? The good players are juicing and the bad ones are fat.
Only Trump supporters with low IQ's watch that crap. Their favorite snack to watch it with is chewing tobacco

whitemamba

06-08-2016, 07:19 PM

Only Trump supporters with low IQ's watch that crap. Their favorite snack to watch it with is chewing tobacco
:lol

Caltex2

06-08-2016, 07:19 PM

I'm confused ... Is baseball supposed to be a sport ? The good players are juicing and the bad ones are fat.

Which has nothing to do with it being a sport or not. Baseball is an awfully boring and they play twice as many games each season as than they should (it should be a summer weekend and holiday sport only) yet it blows soccer away in a number of ways, namely that there is guaranteed to be a score and it usually won't take extra innings to get there.

Thread

06-08-2016, 07:21 PM

I'm confused ... Is baseball supposed to be a sport ? The good players are juicing and the bad ones are fat.

Bend over. I'll show you fuckin' confused.

whitemamba

06-08-2016, 07:23 PM

Which has nothing to do with it being a sport or not. Baseball is an awfully boring and they play twice as many games each season as than they should (it should be a summer weekend and holiday sport only) yet it blows soccer away in a number of ways, namely that there is guaranteed to be a score and it usually won't take extra innings to get there.

its only popular because it's been around for ever, I'll admit it's fun to play but watching it, spare me.

whitemamba

06-08-2016, 07:23 PM

Bend over. I'll show you fuckin' confused.
Dont tease me

Caltex2

06-08-2016, 07:33 PM

No argument here but it still beats soccer 9/10, especially "elite" soccer matches that end in 0-0 ties.

I'll take an underrated sport like tennis over soccer. It's both international and more sophisticated to play while also being accessible to people of every socioeconomic background.

K...

06-08-2016, 07:36 PM

soccer is all about anticpation. in basketball you know the first three quarters are boring as shit. imagine betting on soccer and knowing you are always 20 seconds away from losing your shit

midnightpulp

06-08-2016, 07:40 PM

Baseball has the greatest game design of all the major sports. No clock. The least amount of referee influence out of all sports, and when homeplate umps get linked up with Pitchtrax, officiating in baseball will be "perfect," and completely un-influential to the outcome. Huge variety of scoring. A game could end 11-1, 7-3, 5-0, 1-0, 17-6, 2-1, 8-4, etc. It also has by far the most epic chokejobs out of any sport in existence.

AlexJones knows what's up here.

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 07:47 PM

Imagine watching a stick ball game for 8 hours :lol

midnightpulp

06-08-2016, 07:53 PM

Imagine watching a stick ball game for 8 hours :lol

Imagine watching a kickball game ending in 0-0 :lol

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 07:54 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T1me4ROhlE&feature=share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06txt9eFQEc&feature=share

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 07:59 PM

Someone show me some stick ball highlights

Caltex2

06-08-2016, 08:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T1me4ROhlE&feature=share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06txt9eFQEc&feature=share

So should we post videos of futbol players flopping worse than an inflatible air puppet? Because they're notorious for it.

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 08:04 PM

Someone show me some stick ball highlights

midnightpulp

06-08-2016, 08:04 PM

http://cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ChiefFragrantDrafthorse1.gif

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8542/8652838477_09b2e39ebf_o.gif

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 08:07 PM

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8542/8652838477_09b2e39ebf_o.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FDrcWTSczs&feature=share

midnightpulp

06-08-2016, 08:10 PM

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2/2/4/118545224/041515_tor_pillar_catch_clap_med_gwfo1h23.gif

Povertyball :lmao

https://loftandlost.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/pederson.gif

midnightpulp

06-08-2016, 08:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FDrcWTSczs&feature=share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m57aTSyrT4

midnightpulp

06-08-2016, 08:19 PM

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images//visual/whatshot/Trout-slide-sorcery-052215.gif

And he still flops after missing the ball :lmao

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu42/yangchun_th/gerrard.gif

:lol povertyball

webshad

06-08-2016, 11:13 PM

DAF86

06-08-2016, 11:36 PM

According to Stephen Master of Nielsen, which measures such things, there is now more live soccer available on American TV than in any other country.

That can't be right. In Argentina we get all our 1st division games live (15 games per week), some of the 2nd division (and even lower divisions). All the Libertadores games, all the Champions League games. Almost all of the Premier league ones, Almost all of the la Liga ones, about half of the Italian, German and French leagues and even some of other countries like Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Colombia, Portugual and Holland.

I obviously can't tell for sure but I doubt the US broadcasts that much football, tbh. At least not in regular cable.

DAF86

06-08-2016, 11:49 PM

Those baseball "highlights" :lol

Defensive plays that happen once every 20 games. :lol

Clipper Nation

06-08-2016, 11:50 PM

Not a surprise that third-world kickball has become more popular as illegals keep flooding into our country, tbh. American citizens still prefer real sports like football and baseball, not sissyfied European/third-world lawn games like povertyball.

DAF86

06-08-2016, 11:51 PM

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images//visual/whatshot/Trout-slide-sorcery-052215.gif

Wait, this is a highlight in baseball? :lmao

DAF86

06-08-2016, 11:55 PM

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/130816-1/Softball_fatty_falls.gif

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 11:57 PM

TheGreatYacht

06-08-2016, 11:58 PM

Wait, this is a highlight in baseball? :lmao
Didn't even wanna say anything :lmao

Fucking sliding in dirt :lmao

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 12:01 AM

Those baseball "highlights" :lol

Defensive plays that happen once every 20 games. :lol

Lol no. There's plenty of highlights like that everynight.

lefty

06-09-2016, 12:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m57aTSyrT4
:lol happens once in a while in soccer
:lol happens in every beisbol game

:lol beisbol

Clipper Nation

06-09-2016, 12:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56f4xH4ZoEM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk3l_L-VJ3w

:lol Meanwhile, povertyball players miss the ball half the time they go to kick it.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 12:04 AM

Wait, this is a highlight in baseball? :lmao

It takes elite body control and reaction time to evade a tag like that. Trout is a machine, and as proven in our last debate on the subject, more athletic than any povertyball player in the world.

Ronaldo and his 14" standing vertical :lmao

Clipper Nation

06-09-2016, 12:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcUAOrjWTEQ

:lol Meanwhile, povertyball players flop when someone breathes within a 20-mile radius of them.

lefty

06-09-2016, 12:08 AM

Beisbol fan is mad that soccer is a zillion times more popular than fastfoodball :lol

:lol fat murican is mad

TheGreatYacht

06-09-2016, 12:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56f4xH4ZoEM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk3l_L-VJ3w

:lol Meanwhile, povertyball players miss the ball half the time they go to kick it.
Wtf are these? VHS tapes? :lmao

Back when they used to take steroids. Now they just look like ROTC nerds like that lil bitch Bryce Harper

TheGreatYacht

06-09-2016, 12:11 AM

Beisbol fan is mad that soccer is a zillion times more popular than fastfoodball :lol

:lol fat murican is mad
:lol

TheGreatYacht

06-09-2016, 12:12 AM

"He caught a ball! Jerry he caught a ball!!! Bah gawd he caught it!!"

:lmao snoozeball

DAF86

06-09-2016, 12:14 AM

It takes elite body control and reaction time to evade a tag like that. Trout is a machine, and as proven in our last debate on the subject, more athletic than any povertyball player in the world.

Ronaldo and his 14" standing vertical :lmao

It's a shame that such an athletic "machine" has to waste all that physical ability on a bunch of dirt sliding, standing around, spitting and crotch grabbing, tbh. :lol

Clipper Nation

06-09-2016, 12:18 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xloSjcEkXOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb9oHG6E8J4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HopOu36AxPU

:lol Povertyball

Molotov

06-09-2016, 12:19 AM

Imagine watching a stick ball game for 8 hours :lol

I'd kill myself..

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 12:20 AM

This video is a laugh. The "awe" with which the Yuro commentator speaks when he cites Ronaldo's "impressive" 30" running vertical :lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCtI6uxbTho

That is simply a pathetic mark for a lean and shredded at 170lb "world class" athlete who is supposed to have an super explosive lower body.

Meanwhile, Mike Trout is 230lb and:

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/icvah2glzkuki.gif?w=1000

He's jumping on at least a 60" platform there. The unofficial box jump world record is 64".

"Haha, I bet Trout isn't faster than Ronaldo!"

Ronaldo: 25m (82 feet) sprint time, performed in ideal lab conditions: 3.31

Trout: Thanks to some fancy technology from FOX, we know it took Trout only 6.8 seconds to score from second base.

That's covering a total of 180 feet while making turn. And the fastest base runners can cover 90 feet in ~3.00 seconds.

Povertyball "athletes."

Clipper Nation

06-09-2016, 12:23 AM

Mid teeing off on those povertyball faggots like Barry Bonds in his prime. :wow

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 12:26 AM

It's a shame that such an athletic "machine" has to waste all that physical ability on a bunch of dirt sliding, standing around, spitting and crotch grabbing, tbh. :lol

Honestly, soccer is the biggest waste of athleticism and skill for individual players. I watched that shitty World Cup final in anticipation of your boy Messi doing something great, and he did nothing. Like I said, the low scoring nature of the game doesn't really allow for much. That's why most soccer mixtapes for individual players feature dribbling. Who gives a shit about a nutmeg or a deke that just results in a turnover or a shot that sails 40 feet wide of the goal? But I understand why those highlights are popular since soccer fans are starved for something interesting :lol

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 12:32 AM

Fastest recorded soccer player in game: 21.87 mph

Mike Trout reached 21.15 mph here:

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/73955164/v260048283/2015-asg-statcast-tracks-trouts-basestealing-speed

Relative size:

Antonio Valencia: 5'11", 172lb.

Trout: 6'2" 230lb.

And here's Billy Hamilton reaching 22.8mph :wow And it's not even a dead sprint since he has to track the ball.

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/73955164/v791527883/stlcin-hamilton-runs-almost-23-mph-on-diving-catch

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 12:37 AM

Mid teeing off on those povertyball faggots like Barry Bonds in his prime. :wow

I love me some shitting on povertyball.

Expect pictures of Bartolo Colon and Prince Fielder spammed now :lol

DAF86

06-09-2016, 12:37 AM

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 12:53 AM

Other team's players being dumb enough to not get control of a fucking ball before you run all the bases being the most "exciting" play on baseball. :lol

Sorry, but there's just no debate to be had. The game of baseball ('cause it's not a sport) is just way too basic and static to be able to produce this kind of skill and artistry, tbh.

zKUYPZvOdUs

If baseball is not a sport then how come its players are more athletic than soccer players :lmao

Like I said last time. Take the top 100 baseball players and pit them against the top 100 soccer players in a decathlon, and the baseball players would convincingly destroy the soccer squad.

It if you prefer soccer aesthetically, no problem with that, but baseball takes the same amount of dedication to honing skills as does soccer. Scientifically speaking, it shouldn't even be possible to a hit baseball travelling 90+ mph per human reaction time (the brain literally has to model the path of the ball mid flight and predict the end location. The great hitters use spin to better predict here, and learning that takes a lifetime. And then there's the whole issue of needing a mechanically great swing) . You've never played, so I understand, but if I put you in batting cage throwing 95 mph fastballs, you wouldn't even be able to see the ball, much less hit it. You would just see a quick flash.

And on the defensive side, balls can have an exit velocity of up to 120mph. Yeah, if it's so easy and non-sporting, go catch it.

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 12:58 AM

Imagine watching a kickball game ending in 0-0 :lol

Imagine a competitive sport that values "walks", obese men & tobacco. :lol

DAF86

06-09-2016, 12:59 AM

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:01 AM

:lol trying to convince anyone that the average baseball player is more athletic than the average football player.

koGxRi7AD-A

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 01:02 AM

:lol trying to convince anyone that the average baseball player is more athletic than the average football player.

I don't have time (or desire) to go through all that long mind numbing discussion again but lol son, just lol. :lol

Smart move since I convincingly defeated you last time.

Your error is thinking Bartolo Colon and such are average players. They are not. They are highly specialized players. It's like judging all soccer players on the tall and big physiques of goalies.

DAF86

06-09-2016, 01:03 AM

I just realized...

:lol using belts to play a "sport"

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:05 AM

Like I said last time. Take the top 100 baseball players and pit them against the top 100 soccer players in a decathlon, and the baseball players would convincingly destroy the soccer squad.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01950/babe-ruth_1950028i.jpg

Vs.

http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/390-t3933778-2000.jpg

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 01:05 AM

koGxRi7AD-A

http://i.imgur.com/vB7GORS.gif?noredirect

DAF86

06-09-2016, 01:09 AM

Smart move since I convincingly defeated you last time.

Dude, you could be the greatest debater or reality bender of all time and you would still find it impossible to defeat anyone on such a ridiculous idea like baseball players being more athletic than soccer players. :lol

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 01:09 AM

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:09 AM

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:14 AM

http://67.media.tumblr.com/340c327990468c6759db294bf0f1e717/tumblr_inline_no5jgeEAED1safd2x_1280.jpg

They're like 60 years old and still good enough to make the English national team :lol

English NT isn't quite like Babe "GOAT" Ruth or the Yankees, your futbol knowledge is embarrassing.

Babe Ruth was so fat that the Yankees added the pinstripes to make him look slimmer::lmao

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_680/ohq6vxmjidss3jiwff0k.jpg

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 01:15 AM

Dude, you could be the greatest debater or reality bender of all time and you would still find it impossible to defeat anyone on such a ridiculous idea like baseball players being more athletic than soccer players. :lol

Prove it. I can prove it by comparing athletic metrics (sprint speeds, verticals, bench presses, etc). All you can do is appeal to physique.

Does a soccer player have better upper body strength than a baseball player. Yes or no?

Lower body strength? Soccer players seem to be the obvious choice, but the sprint speeds and vertical leaps compared to baseball players don't suggest that. You also need a fuckton of lower body strength to hit a ball 450 feet and throw over 90mph.

Soccer players only have a stamina advantage.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 01:17 AM

vSL-gPMPVXI

:lmao you're posting the video that I always post to debunk the idea that soccer players are uber-athletic.

Ronaldo's marks in that video are complete shit compared to that of the more athletic baseball players. 30" vertical :lol, 3.31 25m sprint time :lol

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 01:19 AM

Imagine a competitive sport that values "walks", obese men & tobacco. :lol

:lmaol

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 01:20 AM

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 01:20 AM

English NT isn't quite like Babe "GOAT" Ruth or the Yankees, your futbol knowledge is embarrassing.

Babe Ruth was so fat that the Yankees added the pinstripes to make him look slimmer::lmao

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_680/ohq6vxmjidss3jiwff0k.jpg

You're also comparing an early 20th century player to a mid-century player.

Compared Pele to this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iz__9GQFPAU/UWxF_VPupVI/AAAAAAAAD3E/3pZSga86Vf4/s1600/BH6FUQlCAAIOS1b.jpg

Jackie Robinson would slaughter Pele in the 100m.

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:20 AM

Prove it. I can prove it by comparing athletic metrics (sprint speeds, verticals, bench presses, etc). All you can do is appeal to physique.

Kevin Durant had a poor pre-draft metrics so I guess he's a shitty athlete compared to McBuckets who had an elite vertical during the combines.:lol

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:23 AM

You're also comparing an early 20th century player to a mid-century player.

Except the GOAT beisbol player happens to be from the stone ages, stuck in America's past time.:lmao

DAF86

06-09-2016, 01:24 AM

Prove it. I can prove it by comparing athletic metrics (sprint speeds, verticals, bench presses, etc). All you can do is appeal to physique.

Does a soccer player have better upper body strength than a baseball player. Yes or no?

Lower body strength? Soccer players seem to be the obvious choice, but the sprint speeds and vertical leaps compared to baseball players don't suggest that. You also need a fuckton of lower body strength to hit a ball 450 feet and throw over 90mph.

Soccer players only have a stamina advantage.

I would feel stupid wasting time to prove something so obvious, tbh.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 01:27 AM

Kevin Durant had a poor pre-draft metrics so I guess he's a shitty athlete compared to McBuckets who had an elite vertical during the combines.:lol

Were talking about athletic metrics after they've already matured. Statcast on MLB tracks run speeds for baserunning and defense. They do this in soccer, as well. The fastest recorded player in soccer checked in at 21.87 mph. The fastest recorded baseball player checked in at 23mph. From the Ronaldo video, we see his running vert measured at 30" (:lmao). And his 25m (82 feet) is laughably slow (it prorates out to about a 4.7 40 yard dash time). Baseball players cover 90 feet in less time than it took Ronaldo to run 82 feet :lol

Shit, even the fatass Prince Fielder ran a 4.5 40 in HS, and he was always fat.

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:28 AM

Ronaldo's marks in that video are complete shit compared to that of the more athletic baseball players. 30" vertical :lol, 3.31 25m sprint time :lol

You don't think he could increase his vertical & 40 yard dash time if he actually specifically trained for it just like folks in the States do before pre-draft combines?:lol

Look at Manu/Tony, they barely do strength training b/c they didn't grow up in that type of environment but were still NATURALLY fast/athletic.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 01:30 AM

Except the GOAT beisbol player happens to be from the stone ages, stuck in America's past time.:lmao

Saying Ruth is the GOAT is like saying Wilt or Russell are the GOATs. He also wasn't that fat and had the typical 1920s athlete body. The pics you post are from when he was far past his prime.

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w459/bucket4nyy/Ruthclubhouse.jpg~original

Ruth's body is no worse than this:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/15/article-1294872-0A5D21FD000005DC-798_306x438.jpg

DAF86

06-09-2016, 01:30 AM

https://fenwaypark100.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000jimmie-foxx-beast.jpg

vs.

http://67.media.tumblr.com/340c327990468c6759db294bf0f1e717/tumblr_inline_no5jgeEAED1safd2x_1280.jpg

They're like 60 years old and still good enough to make the English national team :lol

Dude, that's not a photo of an official match. :lmao

The oldest player to ever make thr England NT was Seaman at age 39, and was, obviously, a goalkeeper

Being so used to baseball to the point where you actually think old farts can play real sports at the professional level. :lmao

Old farts being in better shape than 90% of the current baseball players :lmao

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 01:35 AM

You don't think he could increase his vertical if he actually specifically trained for it just like folks in the States do before pre-draft combines?:lol

Why wouldn't a striker train for it when heading the ball can be a vital part of the game?

Baseball players also don't specifically train for it to the extent basketball players do, and they still out jump Ronaldo :lol

30" is pretty terrible for a lean and shredded 6'1" 170lb world class athlete whose game revolves around explosive leg strength. You can't spin this. Ronaldo is just not naturally athletic in that area. And despite his "ripped looking" legs, I just don't think he has natural explosiveness. I mean, you have 300lb NFL lineman running faster 40's than him.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 01:38 AM

Dude, that's not a photo of an official match. :lmao

The oldest player to ever make thr England NT was Seaman at age 39, and was, obviously, a goalkeeper

Being so used to baseball to the point where you actually think old farts can play real sports at the professional level. :lmao

Old farts being in better shape than 90% of the current baseball players :lmao

I couldn't tell because Charlton always looked like he was 60 years old :lmao

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/976x549_b/p0172rq9.jpg

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:46 AM

Saying Ruth is the GOAT is like saying Wilt or Russell are the GOATs. He also wasn't that fat and had the typical 1920s athlete body. The pics you post are from when he was far past his prime.

Dumbass, you can argue Wilt is the GOAT if you take out the rings out of the equation & he was an ELITE athlete (so was Bill Russell for that matter). Meanwhile, Babe Ruth is the GOAT with or without rings & was also overweight DURING his prime when he hit 60 HRs:

MOt0Tmwc2Rk

Ruth's body is no worse than this:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/15/article-1294872-0A5D21FD000005DC-798_306x438.jpg

Typical ignorant American that thinks Rooney is an elite Futbol player b/c the British media were selling his shyt.:lmao

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:50 AM

Baseball players also don't specifically train for it to the extent basketball players do

You're right, they just shoot up anabolic steroids & transform into superman in a matter of a season.:lol

http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/2016/02/23/images/mlbf_544042383_th_45.jpg

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:53 AM

Were talking about athletic metrics after they've already matured. Statcast on MLB tracks run speeds for baserunning and defense. They do this in soccer, as well. The fastest recorded player in soccer checked in at 21.87 mph. The fastest recorded baseball player checked in at 23mph

You're talking about a game where there are DESIGNATED base-runners who specialize in RUNNING(:lol) b/c the DH is morbidly obese.:lmao

dfens

06-09-2016, 02:01 AM

You're also comparing an early 20th century player to a mid-century player.

Compared Pele to this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iz__9GQFPAU/UWxF_VPupVI/AAAAAAAAD3E/3pZSga86Vf4/s1600/BH6FUQlCAAIOS1b.jpg

Jackie Robinson would slaughter Pele in the 100m.

:lol measuring sport quality by athleticism :monkey
:lol juicing to hit a fucking ball with a fucking bat while standing still
:lol tactical level in football is more complicated than anything you ever learn in school in america (not saying much tbh)
:lol a game between :monkey interested only in $$$, no national motivation.
:lol getting hammered by cuba 25-1 in world cups :lmao all that athleticism and jumping and monkeying and getting cucked on an epic level by cuba :lmao
:lol won only 1 world cup, worse than the "bigger stronger faster" athletes in japan or panama :lmao "but but but it doesn't matter"
:lol 8 hours of eating in the stands, that's your great national pastime not beisball.
:lol pele is a world-wide name, bringing his nation rings and tournaments VS some random :monkey nobody knowns about in the civilized world and probably died of hunger.
:lol rest of the civilized world doesn't give a shit about any american sport except basketball.
:lol needs artificial rules like hop-step/half-step/motion-step/crab-dribble because :monkey can't understand rules. still lost to fucking greece and serbia :lmao would probably lose to an all-euro team, euros not even interested in basketball tbh.
:lol merica the first 1st world country to devolve to 3rd world. trump for president, god have mercy on this planet.
:lol:monkey economics, 994395439743964368683689439685689 deficit spiraling out of control, public more interested in faggot rights and wigs :lmao better chance of survival in baghdad than in chicago. can't even invade shit because bankrupt, relegated to just talking shit, north korean style.
:lol depending on china to finance your homes, to shut up little north korea and to keep russia in check
:lol putin drilling obama a new one everywhere they've met.
:lol bandwagoned b2b WWs and people still live far better lives in germany
:lol organizing a copa america for your neighbor
:lol at myself for debating a :monkey, might catch some exotic disease.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 02:06 AM

Dumbass, you can argue Wilt is the GOAT if you take out the rings out of the equation & he was an ELITE athlete (so was Bill Russell for that matter). Meanwhile, Babe Ruth is the GOAT with or without rings & was also overweight DURING his prime when he hit 60 HRs:

MOt0Tmwc2Rk

Typical ignorant American that thinks Rooney is an elite Futbol player b/c the British media were selling his shyt.:lmao

Fine then, George Mikan.

He was probably overweight, but when does overweight equal unathletic? I mean, you have 300Lb lineman running faster than Ronaldo :lmao

And as much as you denigrate a great baseball player for being fat, I can do the same for soccer in the form of height.

:lol The GOAT (Maradona) being 5'4"

I mean, in what other major ball sport can a literal midget become the greatest of all-time?

And Maradona's successor is 5'6" :lmao

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 02:09 AM

:lol measuring sport quality by athleticism :monkey
:lol juicing to hit a fucking ball with a fucking bat while standing still
:lol tactical level in football is more complicated than anything you ever learn in school in america (not saying much tbh)
:lol a game between :monkey interested only in $$$, no national motivation.
:lol getting hammered by cuba 25-1 in world cups :lmao all that athleticism and jumping and monkeying and getting cucked on an epic level by cuba :lmao
:lol won only 1 world cup, worse than the "bigger stronger faster" athletes in japan or panama :lmao "but but but it doesn't matter"
:lol 8 hours of eating in the stands, that's your great national pastime not beisball.
:lol pele is a world-wide name, bringing his nation rings and tournaments VS some random :monkey nobody knowns about in the civilized world and probably died of hunger.
:lol rest of the civilized world doesn't give a shit about any american sport except basketball.
:lol needs artificial rules like hop-step/half-step/motion-step/crab-dribble because :monkey can't understand rules. still lost to fucking greece and serbia :lmao would probably lose to an all-euro team, euros not even interested in basketball tbh.
:lol merica the first 1st world country to devolve to 3rd world. trump for president, god have mercy on this planet.
:lol:monkey economics, 994395439743964368683689439685689 deficit spiraling out of control, public more interested in faggot rights and wigs :lmao better chance of survival in baghdad than in chicago. can't even invade shit because bankrupt, relegated to just talking shit, north korean style.
:lol depending on china to finance your homes, to shut up little north korea and to keep russia in check
:lol putin drilling obama a new one everywhere they've met.
:lol bandwagoned b2b WWs and people still live far better lives in germany
:lol organizing a copa america for your neighbor
:lol at myself for debating a :monkey, might catch some exotic disease.

You sound mad.

Does the penis envy you have toward your American betters really hurt you that much?

http://i.imgur.com/V8tUvmN.png

TheGreatYacht

06-09-2016, 02:28 AM

It's honestly sad watching these guys exercise... Feels like I'm watching The Biggest Loser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9o_Pfq3f58&feature=share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5f8Igo_vw&feature=share

rasuo214

06-09-2016, 02:43 AM

I played both sports but Baseball is the only one I watch on a regular basis. I'll watch soccer every once and a while, mainly only national team tournaments since the MLS sucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAy3Sh_RXjc

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 03:17 AM

Fine then, George Mikan.

George Mikan was only the best player of an era when EVERYONE in the league was WHITE.:lol (Wilt would have crushed him)

He was probably overweight, but when does overweight equal unathletic?

Beer belly+lack of muscle definition+trotting around the base like an 80 year old lady:lol

And as much as you denigrate a great baseball player for being fat, I can do the same for soccer in the form of height.

:lol The GOAT (Maradona) being 5'4"

I mean, in what other major ball sport can a literal midget become the greatest of all-time?

And Maradona's successor is 5'6" :lmao

WTF does height have to do w/ athleticism?:lmao

Iverson was 5'11" & used to dominate giants in the PAINT!

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 03:19 AM

You sound mad.

Does the penis envy you have toward your American betters really hurt you that much?

http://i.imgur.com/V8tUvmN.png

Nazis called, they want their Nobel Laureates back.:lol

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 03:24 AM

Nazis called, they want their Nobel Laureates back.:lol

Midnight has to bust yet another myth now?

Nobel Winners by country of birth:

USA (257)

Germany (61)

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/countries.html

Trust me, I've been shitposting with Euros for a long time, I know all their counterarguments and the counters to them :lol

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 03:35 AM

George Mikan was only the best player of an era when EVERYONE in the league was WHITE.:lol (Wilt would have crushed him)

Beer belly+lack of muscle definition+trotting around the base like an 80 year old lady:lol

WTF does height have to do w/ athleticism?:lmao

Iverson was 5'11" & used to dominate giants in the PAINT!

Everyone was white in Ruth's era, as well :lol

Ruth wasn't unathetic. I've showed you the picture of his young physique, which was relatively "swole" for the standards of the time.

I cite height in response here to the implication made by povertyball fans that because there's a few good fat players, baseball isn't a real sport. That argument can be easily used against soccer in the form of height. What other ball sport can a 5'4" midget become the greatest? Also, height does equate to athleticism at a certain point. People shorter than 5'6" (a rough estimate) are typically less athletic than those taller. Where are all the 5'5" 100m, Decathlon, high jump, long jump, etc winners?

5'8" seems to be the point where height becomes irrelevant, as there has been 5'8" 100m winners. And a lot of the fastest NFL running backs have been 5'8", 5'9", etc. But I also think there's diminishing athletic returns beyond a height like 6'5".

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 04:36 AM

Everyone was white in Ruth's era, as well :lol

Ruth wasn't unathetic. I've showed you the picture of his young physique, which was relatively "swole" for the standards of the time.

For the standards of time?:lmao Dude would be considered FAT even by TODAY's "besibol" standards lets alone in the 1930s when 50% of the US population wasn't morbidly obese.

5'8" seems to be the point where height becomes irrelevant, as there has been 5'8" 100m winners. And a lot of the fastest NFL running backs have been 5'8", 5'9", etc. But I also think there's diminishing athletic returns beyond a height like 6'5".

Dumbass, AGILITY is the best asset is Futbol & you need low center of gravity to maximize agility. It similar to punt returns or running backs in the NFL where the GOAT at the position was 5'8" (Barry Sanders). You also have Darren Sproles who at 5'6" hold the NFL record for most all-purpose yards in a season.

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 04:40 AM

Midnight has to bust yet another myth now?

Nobel Winners by country of birth:

USA (257)

Germany (61)

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/countries.html

Trust me, I've been shitposting with Euros for a long time, I know all their counterarguments and the counters to them :lol

Yeah, the US military not only stole scientists but "prototypes" from the Nazis. Who do you think got credit for it?:lol

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 04:49 AM

For the standards of time?:lmao Dude would be considered FAT even by TODAY's "besibol" standards lets alone in the 1930s when 50% of the US population wasn't morbidly obese.

Where's the massive gut here (or any gut)?

http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2013/41/e2737e0ea4c4584a851bfa438ead1c8c41df2da1.jpg

Ruth was wide and thick, but not morbidly obese during his prime.

Dumbass, AGILITY is the best asset is Futbol & you need low center of gravity to maximize agility. It similar to punt returns or running backs in the NFL where the GOAT at the position was 5'8" (Barry Sanders). You also have Darren Sproles who at 5'6" hold the NFL record for most all-purpose yards in a season.

If shortness is all you need, then how come 3 foot midgets aren't the goat running backs and soccer players? Like I said, there's a cutoff point, and that seems to be around 5'5"ish give or take where your legs just become too short and you can't cover ground as effectively. As it stands, only in soccer is where you find 5'4" GOATs :lol

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 04:54 AM

Yeah, the US military not only stole scientists but "prototypes" from the Nazis. Who do you think got credit for it?:lol

The only expertise Nazi scientists really had at the time was rocketry. US Nobel Laureates range from everything to chemistry, medicine, literature, biology, etc.

And speaking of rocketry:

Nevertheless, in 1963, von Braun, reflecting on the history of rocketry, said of Goddard: "His rockets ... may have been rather crude by present-day standards, but they blazed the trail and incorporated many features used in our most modern rockets and space vehicles".[71] He once recalled that "Goddard's experiments in liquid fuel saved us years of work, and enabled us to perfect the V-2 years before it would have been possible."[72] After World War II von Braun reviewed Goddard's patents and believed they contained enough technical information to build a large missile.

Three features developed by Goddard appeared in the V-2: (1) turbopumps were used to inject fuel into the combustion chamber; (2) gyroscopically controlled vanes in the nozzle stabilized the rocket until external vanes in the air could do so; and (3) excess alcohol was fed in around the combustion chamber walls, so that a blanket of evaporating gas protected the engine walls from the combustion heat.

This man predates all Nazi rocket scientists and is considered the father of modern rocketry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_H._Goddard

Like I said, I know all the counters to Yuropoor (are you one?) arguments :toast

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 05:44 AM

Where's the massive gut here (or any gut)?

Ruth was wide and thick, but not morbidly obese during his prime.

1928: Gehrig vs. Babe, Guess who has the Beer Belly?:lol

https://evanmartins.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/1928-gehrig-ruth.jpg

If shortness is all you need, then how come 3 foot midgets aren't the goat running backs and soccer players?

Dumbass, running backs need to block pass rushers so you can't have a 5'4" dude trying to block a 6'4" 275 pass rusher unless dude is so buff he can't even run.:lol That's the reason they are relegated to being punt returners because they can TOY w/ 6'4" 275 dudes trying to tackle them in the open field:

zG_D0_A3wF8

Like I said, there's a cutoff point, and that seems to be around 5'5"ish give or take where your legs just become too short and you can't cover ground as effectively. As it stands, only in soccer is where you find 5'4" GOATs :lol

Darren Sproles has baby legs & hold the record for all-purpose yards.:lol

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Darren+Sproles+Divisional+Playoffs+New+Orleans+4cB n9V8A1w4x.jpg

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 06:02 AM

The only expertise Nazi scientists really had at the time was rocketry. US Nobel Laureates range from everything to chemistry, medicine, literature, biology, etc.

Literature:lmao

Only rocketry?:lmao

-U-Boat

-Me 262

-Panzers

-StG 44

And speaking of rocketry:

This man predates all Nazi rocket scientists and is considered the father of modern rocketry

The father of modern rocketry DIDN'T actually build & SUCCESSFUL launch a cruise or ballistic missile.:lol (Didn't even fuckin' build a prototype)

dfens

06-09-2016, 06:10 AM

You sound mad.

Does the penis envy you have toward your American betters really hurt you that much?

http://i.imgur.com/V8tUvmN.png
:lol you got absolutely shitted on with regards to the thread topic and came back with the weakest vanilla reply possible, like nobel prizes mean anything :lmao
:lol can't even troll properly.
:lol us schooled, it's a wonder you can even write tbh.
:lol losing my time debating with an unemployed african :monkey:monkey:monkey.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 06:14 AM

1928: Gehrig vs. Babe, Guess who has the Beer Belly?:lol

https://evanmartins.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/1928-gehrig-ruth.jpg

Dumbass, running backs need to block pass rushers so you can't have a 5'4" dude trying to block a 6'4" 275 pass rusher unless dude is so buff he can't even run.:lol That's the reason they are relegated to being punt returners because they can TOY w/ 6'4" 275 dudes trying to tackle them in the open field:

zG_D0_A3wF8

Darren Sproles has baby legs & hold the record for all-purpose yards.:lol

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Darren+Sproles+Divisional+Playoffs+New+Orleans+4cB n9V8A1w4x.jpg

Then where are all the 5'4" punt returners? You won't find any. You also won't find any elite 5'4" sprinters. There's always exceptions, like Sproles, Muggsy Bogues, etc, where a player beats the odds, but it isn't typical. Also, I'm talking about GOATs, and it still remains that the only sub-5'7" goats are in soccer.

Ruth has a pot belly, but he's not fat on the level of Sandoval. Fat also=/=unathletic, again.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 06:24 AM

Literature:lmao

Only rocketry?:lmao

-U-Boat

-Me 262

-Panzers

-StG 44

The father of modern rocketry DIDN'T actually build & SUCCESSFUL launch a cruise or ballistic missile.:lol (Didn't even fuckin' build a prototype)

:lmao

Which "stolen technology" that existed in U-Boats, Panzers, and other German weaponry lead to a US scientist winning a Nobel prize?

I also mentioned Goddard because once I showed you how retardedly wrong your claim of US Nobel Laureates being former Nazi scientists was, you immediately shifted, "Those later scientists stole the ideas of Nazis." So I showed you that Nazi scientists stole ideas from American inventors long before it was supposedly the other way around.

:lol Uboats. What, you think the Germans built the first modern submarine? U-Boats were built in 1906. This, on the other hand:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Holland_(SS-1)

Built in 1898 by an Irishman.

Also:

The U-Boat was a redesigned Karp class submarine by Spanish engineer Raimondo Lorenzo d'Equevilley Montjustin working for the German armaments company Krupp.

":cry Germany was so inherently brilliant they invented everything out of thin air."

Stealing ideas from the Spanish. :lmao

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 06:29 AM

:lol you got absolutely shitted on with regards to the thread topic and came back with the weakest vanilla reply possible, like nobel prizes mean anything :lmao
:lol can't even troll properly.
:lol us schooled, it's a wonder you can even write tbh.
:lol losing my time debating with an unemployed african :monkey:monkey:monkey.

I got so shitted on that I proved baseball players are all around better athletically than midget soccer players.

Final nail in the coffin.

Ronald runs a 25m dash in 3.31 seconds, equating to 24.77 feet per second.

Fat Prince Fielder ran the 60 yard dash in 7.17 seconds, equating to 25.1 feet per second.

The most athletic soccer player in the world is slower than the fat baseball player povertyball fans always post to prove baseball players are "unathletic." :lmao

Shitted on, indeed.

lefty

06-09-2016, 07:53 AM

:lol I'm surprised midnightpulp is still able to walk tbh

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 07:57 AM

:lol I'm surprised midnightpulp is still able to walk tbh

For real. My legs are tired from walking all over this thread.

lefty

06-09-2016, 08:00 AM

For real. My legs are tired from walking all over this thread.

And getting repeatedly pounded without lube :lol

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 08:06 AM

And getting repeatedly pounded without lube :lol

:lol Povertyball fan fantasizing about sodomy.
:lol Per par

Brazil

06-09-2016, 08:12 AM

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 08:16 AM

:lol you know a guy lost a debate when he starts with the "third worlder" and "poverty" to try to hurt the feeling of a non US citizen

This stuff is as juvenile and stupid as mother jokes tbh

:lol Murica talking about poverty

Povertyball is the troll name for soccer. Don't take it seriously.

And what debate did I lose?

Soccer fans can't prove that soccer players are more all around athletic than baseball players. I've posted a variety of dash times, vertical jump marks, etc, and the response is simply posting a couple of pictures of fat baseball players.

Killakobe81

06-09-2016, 08:26 AM

That can't be right. In Argentina we get all our 1st division games live (15 games per week), some of the 2nd division (and even lower divisions). All the Libertadores games, all the Champions League games. Almost all of the Premier league ones, Almost all of the la Liga ones, about half of the Italian, German and French leagues and even some of other countries like Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Colombia, Portugual and Holland.

I obviously can't tell for sure but I doubt the US broadcasts that much football, tbh. At least not in regular cable.

Al ot of soccer is on mid tier pakages tbh ..when you factor both major spanish networks that broadcast games, Fox, ESPN and NBC sports all show games as well. I see EPL, plenty of Barca, Real MAdrid etc. and I dont have a top tier or extra sports package with directv ...
I like soccer, NHL and MLB but i dont watch any of those games from start to finish.
Only games I watch like that are big match-ups in the NBA/NFL

Worlcup though is entertaining as hell.

dfens

06-09-2016, 08:29 AM

I got so shitted on that I proved baseball players are all around better athletically than midget soccer players.

Final nail in the coffin.

Ronald runs a 25m dash in 3.31 seconds, equating to 24.77 feet per second.

Fat Prince Fielder ran the 60 yard dash in 7.17 seconds, equating to 25.1 feet per second.

The most athletic soccer player in the world is slower than the fat baseball player povertyball fans always post to prove baseball players are "unathletic." :lmao

Shitted on, indeed.

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midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 08:33 AM

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Damn, you're obsessed with primates, bro (per par for a German. It's why you're letting in all those refugees :lol).

How many tears did you shed when they had to kill that gorilla?

webshad

06-09-2016, 08:46 AM

Wtf are these? VHS tapes? :lmao

Back when they used to take steroids. Now they just look like ROTC nerds like that lil bitch Bryce Harper

hahahahahah hahahahaahahah VHS looool

webshad

06-09-2016, 09:03 AM

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WTF loooooooooooooooooool

hahahahaa

You guys are killing me!

:lmao

Clipper Nation

06-09-2016, 09:04 AM

I got so shitted on that I proved baseball players are all around better athletically than midget soccer players.

Final nail in the coffin.

Ronald runs a 25m dash in 3.31 seconds, equating to 24.77 feet per second.

Fat Prince Fielder ran the 60 yard dash in 7.17 seconds, equating to 25.1 feet per second.

The most athletic soccer player in the world is slower than the fat baseball player povertyball fans always post to prove baseball players are "unathletic." :lmao

Shitted on, indeed.
:lmao And these faggots have the nerve to mock a real sport like baseball... ya gotta believe me!

Brazil

06-09-2016, 10:03 AM

Povertyball is the troll name for soccer. Don't take it seriously.

And what debate did I lose?

Soccer fans can't prove that soccer players are more all around athletic than baseball players. I've posted a variety of dash times, vertical jump marks, etc, and the response is simply posting a couple of pictures of fat baseball players.

I'm not taking it seriously tbh... I just find funny in 2016, some continue to be full of themselves with outdated, dumb jokes in the line of :lol third world countries and :lol poor people. I, rightly so, compare that to mom's jokes. When you go that way in most of the case you don't have much intelligent takes.

I learn to respect / understand americans who like their baseball or football even though I find it boring and lame as fuck most of the time, I even started to watch football. If then your main argument is soccer is shit because of 0/0 it means you stay on surface and don't try to understand why it is so popular in the world and explanations in the likes of "povertyball", "cheap sport"... are quite short

lefty

06-09-2016, 10:37 AM

Ginobilly

06-09-2016, 11:05 AM

How big are steroids in Soccer? And do they use em to build stamina instead of explosiveness? I ask because most MLB/NFL players don't have a natural physique. 99% of NFL players look like they're on something, 70% of MLB(like 90% in the steroid era), and 70% of NBA. I'm not buying that bullshit of better training methods, "Eastern Block training", or nutrition. I would like to see all these agility tests without no PED's or anabolic steroids. Then we would know whose the most "Athletic".

In my opinion: Soccer players would be the fastest, Football players the strongest, Basketball players would be in between soccer and Football, Baseball players coming in last. We would never know because 95% of pro athletes nowadays are on some type of anabolic imho. And these guys are multi-millionaires and know how to "beat" drug tests. If some westside thug could beat a probation drug test using certo, pickle juice and palo azul, what do you think these rich dudes are capable of? I've heard of athletes using marijuana to lower down their testosterone levels so they won't get caught using PED's. It's better for your reputation to get caught dirty masking it with weed than to get busted for roids imo.

Canyonero

06-09-2016, 12:19 PM

:lol baseball and NASCAR

lefty

06-09-2016, 12:34 PM

Canyonero

06-09-2016, 12:43 PM

Penaldo takes a shitload of steroids tbh

Truth

resistanze

06-09-2016, 12:45 PM

I got so shitted on that I proved baseball players are all around better athletically than midget soccer players.

Final nail in the coffin.

Ronald runs a 25m dash in 3.31 seconds, equating to 24.77 feet per second.

Fat Prince Fielder ran the 60 yard dash in 7.17 seconds, equating to 25.1 feet per second.

The most athletic soccer player in the world is slower than the fat baseball player povertyball fans always post to prove baseball players are "unathletic." :lmao

Shitted on, indeed.

:lol I know this is a troll thread, but c'mon son. You must know about acceleration to you on why you can't compare someone's speed in 25m vs 55m. You start of the slowest at the beginning of a run, hence your average speed increases the longer you run.

Compare the times of the 100m dash to 100-200m in the 200m dash.

lefty

06-09-2016, 12:45 PM

Truth
omgodz you changed the quotz

lefty

06-09-2016, 12:46 PM

:lol I know this is a troll thread, but c'mon son. You must know about acceleration to you on why you can't compare someone's speed in 25m vs 55m. You start of the slowest at the beginning of a run, hence your average speed increases the longer you run.

Compare the times of the 100m dash to 100-200m in the 200m dash.
:lol midnightpulp shitting on himself tbh

TheGreatYacht

06-09-2016, 12:46 PM

Ronaldo is a natural freak specimen, same goes for Gareth Bale

If anybody is shooting up its that tranny Sammy Sosa.

Beisbol players needing steroids to slide on dirt and catch balls with a giant glove :lmao

Canyonero

06-09-2016, 12:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzvQCbdAIZQ

But baseball players are the better athlets

lefty

06-09-2016, 12:48 PM

TheGreatYacht

06-09-2016, 12:49 PM

I've said this before, but the only footballers that relate to stickball players are goalkeepers :lol

• Both stand around for hours
• Scratch their butts for 95% of the time
• Use giant gloves to catch balls
• Slide on Dirt/Grass
• Don't have to work on their physique

TheGreatYacht

06-09-2016, 12:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzvQCbdAIZQ

But baseball players are the better athlets
That's pretty nice bro, but can he do this

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images//visual/whatshot/Trout-slide-sorcery-052215.gif

DAF86

06-09-2016, 01:33 PM

:lmao

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:33 PM

Stealing ideas from the Spanish. :lmao

Yankees, stealing ideas from the Nazis:lmao

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:40 PM

Then where are all the 5'4" punt returners?

Dumbass, teams aren't going to sign a designated punt returner. They want them to be part-time receivers, defensive backs or running backs in Sproles case.

Fat also=/=unathletic, again.

Only in Beisbol where you have "designated" base runners b/c the DH is morbidly obese.:lmao

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 01:49 PM

Ronald runs a 25m dash in 3.31 seconds, equating to 24.77 feet per second.

Fat Prince Fielder ran the 60 yard dash in 7.17 seconds, equating to 25.1 feet per second.

You're too basic & dumb to understand that Usain Bolt would lose a 25m dash to a run of the mill sprinter.:lol You have never sprinted further than the fridge to comprehend that it takes more than 25m to reach top speed.

Michael Johnson has the second fastest 100m split (8.76) EVER over any distance & it came during the race when he set the 200m record. Johnson NEVER ran under 10 second for the 100m dash.:lol

6FEh7hDpGp0

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 03:34 PM

You're too basic & dumb to understand that Usain Bolt would lose a 25m dash to a run of the mill sprinter.:lol You have never sprinted further than the fridge to comprehend that it takes more than 25m to reach top speed.

Michael Johnson has the second fastest 100m split (8.76) EVER over any distance & it came during the race when he set the 200m record. Johnson NEVER ran under 10 second for the 100m dash.:lol

6FEh7hDpGp0

I know about acceleration, dipshit. I just thought it funny that FATASS Prince Fielder is similarly fast to a povertyball player who looks like this:

http://www.ronaldo7.net/extra/body/cristiano-ronaldo-body-manchester-united-2007-2008-picture.jpg

Here's a breakdown that calculates Ronaldo's acceleration to come up with an estimate of his 40 yard dash time:

https://xcountrytrackathlete.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/how-fast-could-cristiano-ronaldo-run-the-nfl-40-yard-dash/

Conclusion:
It’s a safe estimate to say Cristiano could run the 40 yard dash between 4.64-4.70 seconds

Using the lower time, that puts Ronaldo at 25.8 FPS.

I just found out that Prince lowered his 60 yard dash time to 6.8 seconds at one point in his high school senior season. FPS: 26.4

Now Ronaldo might accelerate further over the next 20 yards to best Fielder's time, but he won't blow him away. And once more, Prince Fielder looked like this in highschool:

http://332b71db85586c638269-7b3e649a230e2ba2cff912d8af17e0b5.r41.cf1.rackcdn.c om/t29.jpg

:lmao

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 03:47 PM

Dumbass, teams aren't going to sign a designated punt returner. They want them to be part-time receivers, defensive backs or running backs in Sproles case.

Only in Beisbol where you have "designated" base runners b/c the DH is morbidly obese.:lmao

Those base runners still have to an overall skillset because they often sub in for position players.

You're still spinning about this 5'4" thing, I see. Did you play sports? It's exceedingly rare a person that short is going to excel at ANY ball sport, soccer even included. But soccer has the distinction of being the only sport where a GOAT can be that small because the game doesn't demand as much all around athleticism as other ball sports because upper body use isn't really vitally important.

Tennis is a non-contact sport where a lower center of gravity can be a big plus (the moves a tennis player makes laterally to return a ball are not unlike a running back "cutting laterally.") So where's all the GOAT midget tennis players?

Your predictable reply: "Dumbass, short people don't excel in tennis because they need long arms, as well."

And that's exactly my point on soccer being less demanding because all you need are a good pair of legs, "skills" and some stamina. It's the same logic as you saying, "Fat baseball players can become great because it's not a game that demands too much stamina."

Sorry, you just can't spin yourself out of the fact that only men's ball sport on Earth where a 5'4" player can become the greatest of all-time is povertyball :lol.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 03:57 PM

Obviously there's nothing like a bicycle kick in baseball, but can a baseball player do a backflip?

Been there, done that.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/887030/images/o-OZZIE-SMITH-facebook.jpg

Can Zaltan do this, though:

http://www.banishedtothepen.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Wizardry-101.gif

DAF86

06-09-2016, 04:05 PM

Canyonero

06-09-2016, 04:07 PM

Behold baseball's great skills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgYLXzVx-v0

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 04:14 PM

:lol saying that upper body strength isn't important

Back in the days, Maradona had speciallised upper strength conditioning to fight off defenders more easilly.

You're constantly using you upper part of the body in football. In fact, there's more contact between players on the upper part than on the legs.

And you are acting like short GOAT players are the norm. Out of the GOAT list only Maradona and Messi are on the short side. Players like Pele, Cruyff, Zidane, Ronaldo, etc. Are all of above average height. 'cause like in anyother sport, size matters. It matters for headers, strength, etc.

Messi and Maradona are just abnormally skilled, they're kinda like Curry (times 100). That's why they are GOAT level.

Upper body use=/=strength.

They don't throw in soccer (aside from throw ins), arm tackle, carry a ball, dribble a ball with their hands, swing, shoot, serve, etc, etc.

Yes, I know it's important to have upper body strength in any sport, but it would take a silly stretch of logic to suggest that upper body strength is anywhere near as important in soccer as in sports that demand use of the upper body.

And as for the bolded :tu

We're finally getting somewhere, and congrats to you for figuring out the point I was making. Bartolo Colon and the few fat players you all like to post are "abnormally skilled" relative to their sport as midget GOAT soccer players. Fat baseball players are nowhere near the norm, and haven't been throughout history aside from Ruth.

diego

06-09-2016, 05:00 PM

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 05:28 PM

Tennis is a non-contact sport where a lower center of gravity can be a big plus (the moves a tennis player makes laterally to return a ball are not unlike a running back "cutting laterally.") So where's all the GOAT midget tennis players?

There are 6'5'+ stiffs in tennis who dominate b/c of they have a "big serve". Besides, you don't necessarily have to move much in tennis if you have the skills to hit a winner rather than trying to force your opponent to commit an error. That's the difference b/w Federer & Nadal.

And that's exactly my point on soccer being less demanding because all you need are a good pair of legs, "skills" and some stamina. It's the same logic as you saying, "Fat baseball players can become great because it's not a game that demands too much stamina."

Hakeem Olajuwon couldn't make it in soccer despite being a FREAK athlete.:lol

Sorry, you just can't spin yourself out of the fact that only men's ball sport on Earth where a 5'4" player can become the greatest of all-time is povertyball :lol.

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/rW4.8h.rFB3SK_xkYAfczA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9Mzc3O2lsPXBsYW 5lO3B4b2ZmPTUwO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTY3MA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2014-06-11/db24dec0-f193-11e3-b4aa-01b7a6f72ac1_486142815.jpg

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 05:43 PM

Since when is a sports entertainment value determined by the athleticism of the players? If that were the case wouldn't decathlon etc be top spectator sports? No, people are more entertained by skill and teamwork.

And if the main reason for soccer's success is that it's a poor persons sport, then why do most of the highest gdp per capita countries on earth claim it as their favorite? If baseball etc are such superior sports, why aren't they played in such countries, and why are poor countries like Cuba, Venezuela, etc successful enough to defeat the US despite having less than a tenth the population? On that note, if you look at Nobel prizes per capita the US falls to pedestrian 16th.

Oh, and isn't mid the one who always argues that modern athletes are marginally better than previous generations, and skill more important than athletic ability? The reason Maradona is considered GOAT is precisely that he didn't need any physical advantages, just skill and heart a la Tim Duncan or Allen Iverson (if he actually beat the 01 Lakers, he would be the perfect parallel to Maradona, little guy one man team taking down the rich Goliath).

Never. The reason I'm focusing on athleticism in this debate is because soccer fans are the one who usually claim baseball doesn't require any athleticism and/or the average baseball player isn't "athletic." It's simply false.

Furthermore, baseball is primarily a skill driven sport, but it's useless to discuss how demanding baseball is in this regard with your average foreigner soccer fan since they've never played the sport. I agree that baseball skills aren't flashy and highlight friendly like a bicycle kick or a nutmeg, but hitting a 98 mph fastball that is constantly in movement is one of the hardest things to do in sports, period.

And if the main reason for soccer's success is that it's a poor persons sport, then why do most of the highest gdp per capita countries on earth claim it as their favorite?

British Imperialism.

On that note, if you look at Nobel prizes per capita the US falls to pedestrian 16th

God I hate per capita arguments. Know why? Because of the law of diminishing returns and the fact that per capita will always punish the larger sample. For example, New Zealand only has to win a couple of Nobel Prizes to have a better per capita than the UK. Assuming that rate would continue if their population grew is illogical. You can't expect smooth linear growth.

Compare the US vs. a developed country/continent, like the EU for example, and the US beats the EU "per capita." However, I still don't like using it. Furthermore, the US didn't always have 320 million people, and we won a lot of Nobels in the 50's and 60's when our population was 150-170 million.

For example example, we won 8 Nobels in 1972. Our population then was 200 million. Our population continued to grow, but we never won more than 8 Nobels per year until 2013 in which we won 9. You see that our population grew by over 50% but we didn't automatically win 50% more Nobel prizes.

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 05:50 PM

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 06:04 PM

Soccer is the number one sport in the wolrd by a gazzilion margin for a reason. It is the most fun sport to play as Harlem posted. Basketball is my favourite sport but i wont deny the fact that playing soccer is more enjoyable.

Heck of a sport. Complex yet so simple.

You don't think the British having the whole world at the end of the sword had something to do with soccer's growth over the last 160 years?

Look at the most popular sports in which the United States had something of a political/cultural/economic influence.

- Your Philippines: (team sport) Basketball by far.

- Japan: Baseball

- South Korea: Baseball (arguably)

- Taiwan: Baseball

- Cuba (yes, I know relations are cold now, but for the first half of the 20th century, they were an ally, and fought alongside of us in the Spanish American War since they were under Spanish control at the time): Baseball

- Puerto Rico: Baseball or Basketball

- Panama: Baseball

- China. Although we never had an "influence" on them, they seem to be crazy for US culture, and with the rise of Yao Ming, basketball really took off there. It's estimated over 400 million Chinese play recreationally.

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 06:29 PM

You see that our population grew by over 50% but we didn't automatically win 50% more Nobel prizes.

That's b/c the population has become 50% dumber & 50% fatter.:lol

The GOAT besibol player was born in the 19th century b/c WHITE Americans PEAKED in the early 1900s.:lmao

"Our" national PAST TIME, why isn't anyone selling out shyt::cry

Clipper Nation

06-09-2016, 06:29 PM

:lol Soccer
:lol "Most fun sport to play"

Real talk: povertyball is the "sport" that little kids are forced to endure until their parents finally let them try out for Pop Warner. Nobody outside of third-worlders who can't afford to play real sports and sissy Eurotrash nu-males actually enjoys playing povertyball.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 06:34 PM

There are 6'5'+ stiffs in tennis who dominate b/c of they have a "big serve". Besides, you don't necessarily have to move much in tennis if you have the skills to hit a winner rather than trying to force your opponent to commit an error. That's the difference b/w Federer & Nadal.

Hakeem Olajuwon couldn't make it in soccer despite being a FREAK athlete.:lol

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/rW4.8h.rFB3SK_xkYAfczA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9Mzc3O2lsPXBsYW 5lO3B4b2ZmPTUwO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTY3MA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2014-06-11/db24dec0-f193-11e3-b4aa-01b7a6f72ac1_486142815.jpg

I said ball sports, bro.

And in the lighter weight classes in combat sports, you'll often see 5'5" midgets fighting each other (Johnson's last opponent was 5'4"), so I don't see how posting that pic helps your argument.

:lol Can't find an example of a midget being GOAT at any other ball sport so he posts fighters.

And obviously Hakeem wouldn't make it in soccer. Just as much a very short stature can limit you so can a very tall one. Hakeem probably would not have made it any other ball sport aside from basketball. And maybe, BIG maybe, under ideal conditions, football.

Clipper Nation

06-09-2016, 06:35 PM

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 06:37 PM

Upper body use=/=strength.

Dat upper body::wow

http://www.sportsmanagementdegreehub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/3.-Carsten-Charles-G%C3%87%C2%A3CC_-Sabathia-Jr.-G%C3%87%C3%B4-Baseball.jpg

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 06:38 PM

Soccer is actually the most popular sport in china and Russia.
not hockey or basketball..they just suck at it.

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 06:39 PM

Hakeem probably would not have made it any other ball sport aside from basketball. And maybe, BIG maybe, under ideal conditions, football.

Hakeem is 6'10", there are 6'10" tennis players.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 06:41 PM

That's b/c the population has become 50% dumber & 50% fatter.:lol

The GOAT besibol player was born in the 19th century b/c WHITE Americans PEAKED in the early 1900s.:lmao

"Our" national PAST TIME, why isn't anyone selling out shyt::cry

Ruth is not the GOAT, though (in a vacuum). Put Ruth against Clayton Kershaw, and he's hitting .100. Ruth is the GOAT as much as George Mikan is. I respect Ruth and he was a freak of nature, but if he time traveled from 1925 to the modern MLB, he doesn't make the cut.

As for the Nobel thing, if we got "so fat, dumb, and lazy," then why has the rate of Nobel winners from "educated" and "brilliant" Germany and the UK DECLINED over the last half-century despite their population growing? The latest "German" Nobel Winners are from Romania :lol

Clipper Nation

06-09-2016, 06:42 PM

Dat upper body::wow

http://www.sportsmanagementdegreehub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/3.-Carsten-Charles-G%C3%87%C2%A3CC_-Sabathia-Jr.-G%C3%87%C3%B4-Baseball.jpg
Sabathia threw a 94mph fastball in his prime.

In contrast, you probably throw like 50 Cent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83FHj53QBHY

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 06:46 PM

Hakeem is 6'10", there are 6'10" tennis players.

Only two in all of history, and to my knowledge, no Grand Slam champions.

Like I said, there's players who beat the odds (Sproles, Bogues, etc), but there's a very low likelihood of a 6'10" person making it in pro soccer or baseball, a 5'6" person making in the NFL or NBA, etc.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 06:47 PM

Dat upper body::wow

http://www.sportsmanagementdegreehub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/3.-Carsten-Charles-G%C3%87%C2%A3CC_-Sabathia-Jr.-G%C3%87%C3%B4-Baseball.jpg

:lol posting the same pics because he ran out of arguments.

Dat lower body :wow

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Peter_Crouch.JPG

Clipper Nation

06-09-2016, 06:49 PM

Soccer is actually the most popular sport in china and Russia.
not hockey or basketball..they just suck at it.

Basketball, badminton (:lol) and table tennis (:lmao) are more popular than third-world kickball in China:

http://etop10.net/top-ten-popular-sports-in-china/

In a survey last year, the majority of Russians voted for hockey as their favorite sport over poorball:

http://www.dooktravels.com/blog/ice-hockey-the-most-popular-sport-of-russia/

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 06:50 PM

Soccer is actually the most popular sport in china and Russia.
not hockey or basketball..they just suck at it.

It might be, but I put basketball neck and neck with soccer.

China is weird, though, and the more popular sports over there is the one in which a Chinese citizen/team is currently doing well at (ex. Women's pool will draw 150 million viewers over there. Naturally, the Chinese dominate Women's pool).

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 06:51 PM

Basketball, badminton (:lol) and table tennis (:lmao) are more popular than third-world kickball in China:

http://etop10.net/top-ten-popular-sports-in-china/

In a survey last year, the majority of Russians voted for hockey as their favorite sport over poorball:

http://www.dooktravels.com/blog/ice-hockey-the-most-popular-sport-of-russia/

:tu

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 06:56 PM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KjIvI-JRAZY/TgjKqfZs0zI/AAAAAAAAABM/2BelsC6oFxw/s1600/petercrouchskinny.jpeg

http://superiorathleticsnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/giancarlo-stanton-workout.jpg

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 07:15 PM

Baseball players are a lot fatter on average, though. Obese even.

Average height/weight in the MLB:

6'1.4", 196lbs. BMI, 25.6

In the EPL:

5'9.7", 167lb. BMI, 24.2

:lol Povertyball players only have a 1.4 less BMI, despite it being a "stamina" game and despite the fact that baseball players will have on average more muscle mass.

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 07:18 PM

It might be, but I put basketball neck and neck with soccer.

China is weird, though, and the more popular sports over there is the one in which a Chinese citizen/team is currently doing well at (ex. Women's pool will draw 150 million viewers over there. Naturally, the Chinese dominate Women's pool).

I was obviouslt talking about Team sports. No, basketball is not neck on neck with soccer. That'far from the truth. Soccer is still heavuly the number one sport in China and thats sayin something since the chinese basketball team is a top 15 team in basketball and they're probably not even a top 7 soccer team in Asia.

Its an easy sport to pick up and really appeals to the poor who.just wslants to play ball without needing certain tools.

Soccer is the number sport in Russia. I dont know why Americans and Canadians try sk hard to prove otherwise :lol

It's Russia number one soort for the middle class and the poor..and rich people.like it too.

Both of them just at it too...

It's basically the number one sport and even if you combine all the sports below it, it wouldnt top soccer...

Its a simple and fun game to play. You're neverngoing to beat that.

Japan is a great example of this baseball vs soccer shit.

Japan didnt have a pro league till 93 and its now a more popular youth sport in japan...its slowly creeping and thats crazy rise in popularity considering they didnt start their league till maybe 22 years ago

Canyonero

06-09-2016, 07:29 PM

If povertyball is so amazing, why aren't the world's superpowers dominating at it? The U.S., Russia and China have a combined zero World Cups. If third-world kickball was as important as advertised, you'd think at least one of those countries would give enough of a shit to win at it.

:lol:lol you think they don't care about football?

USA = hosted 1994 WC, bid for 2022 and will probably bid for 2026 (why do that if you don't give a shit). Also why are MLS teams hiring TOSB former superstars if not for growing the sport in the country?
Russia = hosting 2018 WC, European powerhouse during USSR time with teams paying millions to lure players into their league
China = teams paying shitloads of money for big players, European leagues even started to change some of their playing times so Chinese people can see the games.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 07:30 PM

I was obviouslt talking about Team sports. No, basketball is not neck on neck with soccer. That'far from the truth. Soccer is still heavuly the number one sport in China and thats sayin something since the chinese basketball team is a top 15 team in basketball and they're probably not even a top 7 soccer team in Asia.

Its an easy sport to pick up and really appeals to the poor who.just wslants to play ball without needing certain tools.

Soccer is the number sport in Russia. I dont know why Americans and Canadians try sk hard to prove otherwise :lol

It's Russia number one soort for the middle class and the poor..and rich people.like it too.

Both of them just at it too...

It's basically the number one sport and even if you combine all the sports below it, it wouldnt top soccer...

Its a simple and fun game to play. You're neverngoing to beat that.

Japan is a great example of this baseball vs soccer shit.

Japan didnt have a pro league till 93 and its now a more popular youth sport in japan...its slowly creeping and thats crazy rise in popularity considering they didnt start their league till maybe 22 years ago

What data do we use though for China? Participation numbers? Social media presence? Television ratings? When you sum all that up, I just don't see basketball trailing soccer by any significant margin.

As for Japan, while soccer has grown in popularity, baseball has stayed around its 50% preference level as the country's most popular sport, so it's not like soccer is taking away interest from baseball.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 07:32 PM

:lol:lol you think they don't care about football?

USA = hosted 1994 WC, bid for 2022 and will probably bid for 2026 (why do that if you don't give a shit). Also why are MLS teams hiring TOSB former superstars if not for growing the sport in the country?
Russia = hosting 2018 WC, European powerhouse during USSR time with teams paying millions to lure players into their league
China = teams paying shitloads of money for big players, European leagues even started to change some of their playing times so Chinese people can see the games.

I would host the World Cup on my front lawn despite hating the sport. The World Cup brings in massive revenue. That's why the US is "interested" in the sport, not because the game is actually growing here among non-illegal immigrants.

Canyonero

06-09-2016, 07:41 PM

I would host the World Cup on my front lawn despite hating the sport. The World Cup brings in massive revenue. That's why the US is "interested" in the sport, not because the game is actually growing here among non-illegal immigrants.

And why is your MLS expanding then? Even Minnesota is getting a team, must be because of the millions of Mexicans living there....

Silver&Black

06-09-2016, 07:45 PM

:lol Can't find an example of a midget being GOAT at any other ball sport so he posts fighters.

:lmao The one midget who kicks all the other midget's asses = GOAT

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 07:58 PM

And why is your MLS expanding then? Even Minnesota is getting a team, must be because of the millions of Mexicans living there....

Expansion=/=evidence of growing popularity. More like owners willing to take a risk to see if they can profit.

For example, baseball's popularity is nearly non-existent in Florida (you would think otherwise with the Cuban population there) but that didn't stop owners from expanding into the state with two more teams.

Look at the bottom 3 teams here:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2015-misc.shtml

Two from Florida. I honestly don't know how those franchises are still in operation, and they even built a 515 million dollar stadium for the Marlins!

Sometimes these moves don't make sense on the surface.

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 08:11 PM

What data do we use though for China? Participation numbers? Social media presence? Television ratings? When you sum all that up, I just don't see basketball trailing soccer by any significant margin.

As for Japan, while soccer has grown in popularity, baseball has stayed around its 50% preference level as the country's most popular sport, so it's not like soccer is taking away interest from baseball.

Oh it has taken away a signuficant portion of an important demographic..The Youth..

Soccer is even more popular than it was in the 90.

I mean the world cup itself beats the olympics. Every sport not named soccer or tennis most important event is in the olympics and it cant even top the world cup :lmaol

Do you realize how silly popular it is? How crazy that is?

Outside of maybe Basketball, I cant think of any other team sport that has had a significant spike in popularity in the last 20 years.

Beisbol is actually slowly dying. Hockey is a nich team sport. Its game 1 and 2 finals couldnt even top a shitty uru vs mexico match. :lmao

Football is for americans who love to watch commercials.

140

06-09-2016, 08:12 PM

I would host the World Cup on my front lawn despite hating the sport. The World Cup brings in massive revenue. That's why the US is "interested" in the sport, not because the game is actually growing here among non-illegal immigrants.
Fifa pockets the vast majority of that massive revenue, not the country hosting it tbh :lol

Canyonero

06-09-2016, 08:15 PM

Expansion=/=evidence of growing popularity. More like owners willing to take a risk to see if they can profit.

And how do owners expect to profit if there isn't a growing popularity in these new areas?

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 08:23 PM

Fifa pockets the vast majority of that massive revenue, not the country hosting it tbh :lol

Yup. Biggest BS ever. That needs changing. What does FIFA need the money for? A large portions of development that happens is because of the confederations who have their own money coming from confederation revenue.

I cant think of a huge revenue FIFA spends on :lol

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 08:32 PM

Oh it has taken away a signuficant portion of an important demographic..The Youth..

Soccer is even more popular than it was in the 90.

I mean the world cup itself beats the olympics. Every sport not named soccer or tennis most important event is in the olympics and it cant even top the world cup :lmaol

Do you realize how silly popular it is? How crazy that is?

Outside of maybe Basketball, I cant think of any other team sport that has had a significant spike in popularity in the last 20 years.

Beisbol is actually slowly dying. Hockey is a nich team sport. Its game 1 and 2 finals couldnt even top a shitty uru vs mexico match. :lmao

Football is for americans who love to watch commercials.

If this huge youth movement you claim is true (I don't deny there's been a surge), then it would reflect in the overall demographics. Also, people can follow more than one sport, so it's not like soccer will automatically eat revenue from baseball.

Baseball isn't dying, actually.

Let's check out a baseball hot spot in South Korea:

http://www.korea.net/upload/content/editImage/sports-150713-2.jpg

You see that baseball has actually surpassed soccer as the number one spectator sport in the country.

Here's television ratings for the World Baseball Classic from Japan:

The game registered a 22.1 rating and a 43 share out-rating all 2012 Olympics coverage and World Cup Qualifying matches.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/42644048/world-baseball-classic-sets-ratings-records--in-taiwan-and-japan

And the U18 Baseball World Cup Final crushed the ratings in Japan:

http://www.mister-baseball.com/1-tv-ratings-japan-finale-wbsc-u18-baseball-world-cup-osaka/

You think baseball is dying because you're buying the myth that low national US television ratings for the World Series compared to their historic highs is evidence of the game "dying." But baseball's model is different, becoming a regional game now, and local networks are paying BILLIONS for the broadcasting rights.

And here's the attendance figures from 1998-2014:

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/maurybrown/files/2014/10/MLBAttenance1998-2014.jpg

You'll see that 3 million more people attended than in 98, when supposedly everyone in the country was a fan because it was the steroid era and there was lots of homers.

We've seen this "sport of the youth" logic before. In my day, it was basketball. "American sport of the future. Jordan this, Jordan that. Kids don't want to be Babe Ruth anymore, they want to be Michael Jordan!" Basketball actually grew less in the States following Jordan's retirement in 1998 (but it grew globally, obviously). And basketball is still behind baseball in the US sports landscape.

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 09:23 PM

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 09:26 PM

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 09:32 PM

It's a matter of passion, mid. I recall the late 90s with an absurd amount of harcore baseball fans. Beisbol has actually turned into a "date" night kinda thing or a Movie kinda thing. It's a very popular recreation thing to do but it has died down in terms of competitive following.

Go watch a beisbol game live. You'd be lying if you told me at least 30% of the fans are real fans...People go to beisbol game nowadys to relax and spend time. You know why? Because most people understand the rules, it's outdoor and more importantly the ticket is cheap. It's essentially a picknick party sport. People go there to spend time with family and Eat Hot dogs and fries.

Hockey doesnt have this advantage because its indoor and most americans dont understand Hockey rules.

Those are actually ridiculous soccer numbers from Korea. Beisbol was in large part the biggest ( it wasnt even close) youth sport in Korea 15 years ago. That's a ridiculous spike of interest form the koreans.

My point with Korea is that growth in one sport doesn't automatically mean decline for another. You're Asian (Filipino), so you know how popular "hand-eye coordination" sports are with Asians (in the Philippine case its pool/billiards, which are also massively popular in China (along with ping pong and badminton) and Taiwan). Baseball won't be dying anytime soon in Japan, Korea, and Taiwan in our lifetime.

Yeah, it's true a lot of baseball fans who attend live are "casuals," but this is also true for basketball (see the example of you always complaining about how fairweather Spurs fans are who attend games). Look how many Curry, Kobe, and Lebron fans there are who don't even know the rules of the game :lol

In any event, if you want to use National TV ratings, the NBA and MLB draw similar numbers locally and during playoff games. The MLB is actually far ahead regionally.

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 09:38 PM

My point with Korea is that growth in one sport doesn't automatically mean decline for another. You're Asian (Filipino), so you know how popular "hand-eye coordination" sports are with Asians (in the Philippine case its pool/billiards, which are also massively popular in China (along with ping pong and badminton) and Taiwan). Baseball won't be dying anytime soon in Japan, Korea, and Taiwan in our lifetime.

Yeah, it's true a lot of baseball fans who attend live are "casuals," but this is also true for basketball (see the example of you always complaining about how fairweather Spurs fans are who attend games). Look how many Curry, Kobe, and Lebron fans there are who don't even know the rules of the game :lol

In any event, if you want to use National TV ratings, the NBA and MLB draw similar numbers locally and during playoff games. The MLB is actually far ahead regionally.

There's a significant difference between a basketball casual watcher and a beisbol casual fan. Basketbal casuals usually watch the games to be bandwagoning faggots..but they cheer and are usually engaged in the game.

Beisbol goes go to beisbol games to attend an outdoor sports that offer good food, with fresh air and some hot babes or for gals cute dudes.

Many people who go "watch" beisbol games..even thought they dont know it..basically treat like going for a barbecue in the park or some shit.

Thats why beisbol is a dying sport. Its competitive following is almdt non-existnat save maybe for the playoffs.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 10:09 PM

There's a significant difference between a basketball casual watcher and a beisbol casual fan. Basketbal casuals usually watch the games to be bandwagoning faggots..but they cheer and are usually engaged in the game.

Beisbol goes go to beisbol games to attend an outdoor sports that offer good food, with fresh air and some hot babes or for gals cute dudes.

Many people who go "watch" beisbol games..even thought they dont know it..basically treat like going for a barbecue in the park or some shit.

Thats why beisbol is a dying sport. Its competitive following is almdt non-existnat save maybe for the playoffs.

Ticket sales and profits don't care about how hardcore or not a fan is. Actually, the health of anything, from sports to television shows. is how well you can draw in the casual.

Also, you're flat wrong on the contention that baseball has no competitive following until the playoffs. Regional television ratings are SOARING and they actually beat the NBA and NHL playoffs in that market, meaning the guy in Boston would rather watch a regular season Sox game than watch Lebron or Curry in the playoffs

http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2015/05/18/baseball-is-beating-the-nba-and-nhl-playoffs-in-local-tv-ratings/#5537ba3f3b90

Sorry, there's just no evidence it's dying.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 10:26 PM

If you would have told me soccer beat beisbol in attendance in korea in 2010, Inwould have told you..go fuck yourself. That's insane. I'm guessing 02 world cup had a huge influence.

Plus, your sources are legit beisbol friendly soucrs trying to defend its dying sport.

"When you can't challenge the claim, attack the source."

Here's the wikisource for 2015 attendance numbers in Korea:

Baseball: 10.2K per game

Soccer: 7.7K per game

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attendance_figures_at_domestic_professiona l_sports_leagues

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 10:27 PM

apalisoc_9

06-09-2016, 10:31 PM

"When you can't challenge the claim, attack the source."

Here's the wikisource for 2015 attendance numbers in Korea:

Baseball: 10.2K per game

Soccer: 7.7K per game

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attendance_figures_at_domestic_professiona l_sports_leagues

I wasnt arguing for soccer taking over korea. I dont think it has reached that point yet. I'm saying that its crazy that in 2010 it managed to beat Beisbol in attendance. I recall in the early 90s..Socxer was like Hockey and and beisbol was like Football so there was significant difference. It just crazy how much its still getting more popular even though its already the mpdt popular sport in the world.

IIRC, Korea soccer clubs were dominating the Asian champions league. Could be the reason of the spike in attendance numbers.

AlexJones

06-09-2016, 10:34 PM

Soccer is only good for gambling

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 10:35 PM

Sure ticket sales dont matter in terms of financial stability of a sport. Its what makes it going. Like Ive said the average beisbol game is a great recreational activity. Its not going to die down because of that angle. Good food, outdoors, etc.

Regional viewing in North America is highy dependant on ball club sucess. Most fans who watch beisbol on TV do so for regional pride.

I'm not going to argue for Hockey because I know its not that popular of a sport in America..but Hockey fans are by far imo the most passionate of fans in NA...could just be canadiens but still.

That's every sport. And baseball fans are super hardcore. You know how much shit you can discuss regarding this sport, with all the stats, roster building dynamics, prospects from your farm teams, etc, etc?

That's why I stick to basketball discussion, it's much easier :lol

And Chicago, NY, Boston, and St. Louis are hardcore baseball towns. I love basketball, but I can't honestly think of a "basketball town." Most people are bandwagoners in basketball. Even in San Antonio, where it's the city's only sport, you have fans sitting on their hands and not cheering and showing up late to games.

midnightpulp

06-09-2016, 10:38 PM

I wasnt arguing for soccer taking over korea. I dont think it has reached that point yet. I'm saying that its crazy that in 2010 it managed to beat Beisbol in attendance. I recall in the early 90s..Socxer was like Hockey and and beisbol was like Football so there was significant difference. It just crazy how much its still getting more popular even though its already the mpdt popular sport in the world.

IIRC, Korea soccer clubs were dominating the Asian champions league. Could be the reason of the spike in attendance numbers.

But even with soccer's emergence in Korea, look how baseball attendance continues to grow:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/wp-content/images/tht/kpb_year_thumb.jpg

Shit, it even seem to be dying in the early-00s.

Point is, one sport getting more popular doesn't mean the other sport will automatically decline.

Kawhitstorm

06-09-2016, 11:48 PM

Dat lower body :wow

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Peter_Crouch.JPG

http://www.sportsmanagementdegreehub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/3.-Carsten-Charles-G%C3%87%C2%A3CC_-Sabathia-Jr.-G%C3%87%C3%B4-Baseball.jpg

Crouch is a SCRUB who is famous for being tall like Shawn Bradley, meanwhile CC Sabathia is a Cy Young winner & league MVP w/ a ridiculous pot belly.:lol

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 12:18 AM

Only two in all of history, and to my knowledge, no Grand Slam champions.

6'10" Karlovic owns the all-time record for aces & has 20 wins over top 10 players including multiple wins against the two best ATP players of all-time: Federer/Djokovic.

But...but...but...he didn't win a Grand Slam thus 6'10" player can't make it. Let's just ignore 6'10" player aren't even groomed to be tennis players but the one that did owns an ATP record & beat Federer/Djokovic.:lol

Like I said, there's players who beat the odds (Sproles, Bogues, etc), but there's a very low likelihood of a 6'10" person making it in pro soccer or baseball, a 5'6" person making in the NFL or NBA, etc.

Sproles is basically the SHORTEST running back in the league & so according to your logic NFL players must be scrubs b/c the shortest player owns the record for all-purpose yards beating out the likes of Chris Johnson who in his prime had been anointed the fastest player in the league.:lol

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 12:25 AM

And basketball is still behind baseball in the US sports landscape.

You mean amongst white Americans b/c their folks can't make in the NBA.:lol

Stern instituting a dress code to cater to corporate WHITE America at a time when the rest of the world (European/Asians) were embracing hip-hop culture ::lmao

Crying over bat flips when it's common practice in other leagues b/c it isn't America's past-time.:lmao

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 12:31 AM

Crouch is a SCRUB who is famous for being tall like Shawn Bradley, meanwhile CC Sabathia is a Cy Young winner & league MVP w/ a ridiculous pot belly.:lol

Once again, fat=/=unathletic.

You know what kind of upperbody strength and kinetic linking it takes to generate arm movement up to 120+ mph (which is required to throw a 90mph fast ball)?

Are you so simple minded that you only equate "athleticism" with running and jumping?

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 12:34 AM

6'10" Karlovic owns the all-time record for aces & has 20 wins over top 10 players including multiple wins against the two best ATP players of all-time: Federer/Djokovic.

But...but...but...he didn't win a Grand Slam thus 6'10" player can't make it. Let's just ignore 6'10" player aren't even groomed to be tennis players but the one that did owns an ATP record & beat Federer/Djokovic.:lol

Sproles is basically the SHORTEST running back in the league & so according to your logic NFL players must be scrubs b/c the shortest player owns the record for all-purpose yards beating out the likes of Chris Johnson who in his prime had been anointed the fastest player in the league.:lol

There's always EXCEPTIONS. How many times do i have to repeat that until it sticks in your brain?

And :lol all purpose yards. Sproles played a lot of punt and kick returner, and returners basically get a free 10 to 15 yards on a return. He's still a beast, but let's not pretend he's typical. And for the last time, I'm talking about GOATs. All your spinning can't deflect the fact that the only sport in which a 5'5" player has a chance at GOAT status is in soccer.

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 12:45 AM

You mean amongst white Americans b/c their folks can't make in the NBA.:lol

Stern instituting a dress code to cater to corporate WHITE America at a time when the rest of the world (European/Asians) were embracing hip-hop culture ::lmao

Crying over bat flips when it's common practice in other leagues b/c it isn't America's past-time.:lmao

And Latino Americans. Latinos are actually more negatively vocal toward that "mayate" sport than whites.

http://www.footytube.com/static/images/bd_2.jpg

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 01:03 AM

Once again, fat=/=unathletic.

5'4" =/= unathletic

You know what kind of upperbody strength and kinetic linking it takes to generate arm movement up to 120+ mph (which is required to throw a 90mph fast ball)?

You know the agility, dexterity & coordination required to weave through defenders at full speed while not losing control of a ball then stopping on a dime before curling the ball to the top corner all in one motion. What about the reflex & hand-eye coordination required to stop shots as fast as 140 mph while having to cover an 8 x 24 ft strike zone.

Are you so simple minded that you only equate "athleticism" with running and jumping?

You're the dumbass that claimed all that's required in Futbol is speed when the only British athlete to ever run under 10 seconds for the 100m & under 20 seconds for he 200m couldn't even make it to Divison II.:lol

ULFp_cIhMR8

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 01:13 AM

And Latino Americans. Latinos are actually more negatively vocal toward that "mayate" sport than whites.

When Eduardo Najera is the GOAT Messican American to ever play in the NBA then those 4'11" 195 lbs Messicans have less to cheer for than gringos.:lol

A scrub like Jeremy Lin galvanized Asian Americans, imagine what would happen if one of their people ever became a superstar like Wardell.:lol

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 01:25 AM

5'4" =/= unathletic

You know the agility, dexterity & coordination required to weave through defenders at full speed while not losing control of a ball then stopping on a dime before curling the ball to the top corner all in one motion. What about the reflex & hand-eye coordination required to stop shots as fast as 140 mph while having to cover an 8 x 24 ft strike zone.

You're the dumbass that claimed all that's required in Futbol is speed when the only British athlete to ever run under 10 seconds for the 100m & under 20 seconds for he 200m couldn't even make it to Divison II.:lol

ULFp_cIhMR8

I never claimed that. I said a good pair of legs, which would translate into running, jumping, cutting, kicking, and so forth.

And :lmao at bolded

Yes, bro, I know the fastest a soccer ball reaches the moment it leaves the foot can be anywhere from 100-140mph, but a soccer ball isn't the most aerodynamic thing and it considerably loses speed thereafter. Most shots in a penalty shootout situation, which is an ideal kicking situation, top out at 80mph as they reach the goalie. And that's only from 12 yards out, meaning a soccer ball loses a lot of velocity very quickly.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/sports/a5864/world-cup-penalty-kick-physics/

Happens in baseball, too obviously. When Chapman pitches, hitters ain't seeing a 106 mph fastball.

By the time it reaches the plate, the fastball in air isn't moving 90 mph any more. Its horizontal speed is about 80 mph, so a 90 mph fastball loses about 10 mph due to air resistance by the time it reaches the batter. This loss of speed is larger for pitches which start out faster -- after all, the drag force does grow with the square of the speed.

But a baseball is much denser and aerodynamic so it loses nowhere the amount of speed a soccer ball does.

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 01:33 AM

Ruth is not the GOAT, though (in a vacuum). Put Ruth against Clayton Kershaw, and he's hitting .100. Ruth is the GOAT as much as George Mikan is. I respect Ruth and he was a freak of nature, but if he time traveled from 1925 to the modern MLB, he doesn't make the cut.

You mean to tell me the same Ruth that hit 29 HRs in a dead-ball era wouldn't fare well in the dope-era when Jose Bautista was a scrub who couldn't hit 20 HRs before he got on the juice.:lol (Ryan Braun on the other hand went from being an MVP to not being mentioned at all when he got off the juice)

BTW, I like Ruth's chances against Kershaw in a playoff game.:lol

The latest "German" Nobel Winners are from Romania :lol

When modern day AMERICAN athletes need treatment, they fly to GERMANY.:lmao

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 01:42 AM

You mean to tell me the same Ruth that hit 29 HRs in a dead-ball era wouldn't fare well in the dope-era when Jose Bautista was a scrub who couldn't hit 20 HRs before he got on the juice.:lol (Ryan Braun on the other hand went from being an MVP to not being mentioned at all when he got off the juice)

BTW, I like Ruth's chances against Kershaw in a playoff game.:lol

When modern day AMERICAN athletes need treatment, they fly to GERMANY.:lmao

Let's be real bro, Kirby's fetus injections didn't help him out in the least. Dude still shot historically bad, so Germany didn't know what they were doing (or maybe Kirbs is just that bad :lol)

As for Ruth. Directly transported from 1926, I don't see it. Pitchers have WAY nastier stuff now. 95mph sliders and 4 seamers that move all around the place.

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 02:07 AM

:lmao The one midget who kicks all the other midget's asses = GOAT

Pacquiao is 5'5" w/o shoes & whooped the same Oscar that only lost by a split decision against Floyd. Oscar was expected to win b/c of his size advantage especially w/ Pacquiao having to move up to 147 but speed kills:

http://i50.tinypic.com/25frig3.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_f6a-teEL0KU/SQ7ZiPADKYI/AAAAAAAABck/C0E4ZXRrQ50/s400/de-la-hoya-pacquiao-tale-tape-espn.jpg

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 02:16 AM

Let's be real bro, Kirby's fetus injections didn't help him out in the least. Dude still shot historically bad, so Germany didn't know what they were doing (or maybe Kirbs is just that bad :lol)

Kirby isn't a "modern day" athlete, dude is from the Jordan Era & would require a full body replacement.:lol If someone doesn't have any cartilage left then there is no scaffolding for the stem cells.

As for Ruth. Directly transported from 1926, I don't see it. Pitchers have WAY nastier stuff now. 95mph sliders and 4 seamers that move all around the place.

All he needs is a hook up for his daily "regimen" & he would be set. He wouldn't even have to take the heavy stuff, just the PEDs that aren't on the banned list.:lol

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 02:25 AM

Kirby isn't a "modern day" athlete, dude is from the Jordan Era & would require a full body replacement.:lol If someone doesn't have any cartilage left then there is no scaffolding for the stem cells.

All he needs is a hook up for his daily "regimen" & he would be set. He wouldn't even have to take the heavy stuff, just the PEDs that aren't on the banned list.:lol

Why do you talk like baseball is the only sport that abuses PEDs :lol?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02940/cristiano1_2940744b.jpg

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 02:34 AM

Why do you talk like baseball is the only sport that abuses PEDs :lol?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02940/cristiano1_2940744b.jpg

How dare he not have a pot belly?!!?!?!:lmao

apalisoc_9

06-10-2016, 02:40 AM

How dare he not have a pot belly?!!?!?!:lmao

Almost choked laughing..:lol

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 02:46 AM

How dare he not have a pot belly?!!?!?!:lmao

Baseball players don't though:

Average height/weight in the MLB - 6.14 feet, 196 pounds, 25.6 BMI

In the EPL - 5.97 feet, 167 pounds, 24.2 BMI

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/559445ffe4b01f9a9208dd68/t/56ff121d1bbee0d825254b75/1459556980329/

Arrieta's routine does look kind of homo, so it should appeal to the soccer fans ITT :lol

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 03:16 AM

Baseball players don't though:

Average height/weight in the MLB - 6.14 feet, 196 pounds, 25.6 BMI

Except in the MLB it tends to be the All-Star level players that let themselves go, it's top heavy.:lol

Off the top of my head, overweight/obese All-star &/or MVP caliber players within the past 5 years:

David "Big Fatty" Ortiz
Prince Fielder
Miguel Cabrera
CC Sabathia
Pablo Sandoval

:lmao

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 03:58 AM

Ortiz cut, bro. It's why he's playing some of the best baseball of his career.

http://yawkeywayreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ortiz.jpg

And the other players you mentioned saw a big decline when they got fat (Cabrera slimmed down from that pic you always post). CC was in rehab not too long ago. Baseball's Vin Baker.

And again, you keep mentioning the same handful of players :lol

Here's last season WAR leaders:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

No fatties (aside from maybe Encarnacion) on the first page. 1 fatty on page 2 (Cabrera).

And no fatties on page 1 of the pitching leaders:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

The players you mentioned are baseball versions of Diaw. They could be so much better if they slimmed down. Sandoval has all the talent in the world, but is a lazy fuck, and his fatness has put him on the DL :lol

TDMVPDPOY

06-10-2016, 08:47 AM

was at the pub watchin some sports, teh security ask me u coming back at 5 for euro? i was like maybe man, thats 5am down here those games are on and if i stay after the game could probably catch copa tournament...

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 01:00 PM

The players you mentioned are baseball versions of Diaw. They could be so much better if they slimmed down. Sandoval has all the talent in the world, but is a lazy fuck, and his fatness has put him on the DL :lol

Except Diaw never made he All-Star/All-NBA team, won MVP nor was the highest paid player at his position. He actually got run out of town when he was 2009 CC Sabathia status & had to be in serious shape to be as effective as Sandoval on a championship team.

Biesbol, where obese athletes win MVPs.:lol

td4mvp2k

06-10-2016, 02:50 PM

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 04:45 PM

and still dead last in all major sports in the US... it wont change cuz no one wants to see midgets play footsie for hours to end a game in a tie :lol... get that boring sh*t outta here... tennis looks like a superbowl to succer tbh

Football, nobody outside of North America is buy that shyt & participation rates are plummeting in the suburbs.:lol

td4mvp2k

06-10-2016, 04:49 PM

Football, nobody outside of North America is buy that shyt & participation rates are plummeting in the suburbs.:lolfootball is still GOAT and it won't make a difference if the euro trash like it or not tbh

Aztecfan03

06-10-2016, 05:11 PM

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/130816-1/Softball_fatty_falls.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1hquruNcMo

Aztecfan03

06-10-2016, 05:32 PM

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 06:30 PM

There are planty of people who only play special teams in the NFL(including returners). There isn't anyone in baseball who only is a designated base runner.

Specials teams members are used for practice squads & as emergency backups. They aren't some scrub batting below the Mendoza line who sits in the dug out chewing tobacco until the top of the 7th.:lol

Kawhitstorm

06-10-2016, 06:41 PM

football is still GOAT and it won't make a difference if the euro trash like it or not tbh

By sheer number, football will always have the highest number of participants just b/c of the FACT it has LARGEST roster spots, has positions that don't require skill besides sheer strength/athleticism & overweight kids are actually recruited to be linesman.:lol

Otherwise:

Football has seen age 6-14 participation drop from 3 million in 2010 to 2.169 million just five years later—a massive 27.7 percent drop.

This is a disconcerting trend for the NFL since youth football is one of the league’s biggest marketing arms. Early participation draws kids into the game’s culture and creates fans for life.

td4mvp2k

06-10-2016, 07:01 PM

By sheer number, football will always have the highest number of participants just b/c of the FACT it has LARGEST roster spots, has positions that don't require skill besides sheer strength/athleticism & overweight kids are actually recruited to be linesman.:lol

Otherwise:every player who plays the the game has a skill... alot more then a midget who plays footsie tbh

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 07:07 PM

Except Diaw never made he All-Star/All-NBA team, won MVP nor was the highest paid player at his position. He actually got run out of town when he was 2009 CC Sabathia status & had to be in serious shape to be as effective as Sandoval on a championship team.

Biesbol, where obese athletes win MVPs.:lol

Who?

Cabrera?

A gotdamn beast:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1pYKTsWVdeo/hqdefault.jpg

Ronaldo's arms would snap trying to push that weight :lol

As I said, thick/fat=/=unathletic.

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 07:14 PM

Specials teams members are used for practice squads & as emergency backups. They aren't some scrub batting below the Mendoza line who sits in the dug out chewing tobacco until the top of the 7th.:lol

The NFL has the greatest ratio of "obese athletes" to positional players, and these "obese" athletes often win MVP awards (Defensive MVP) like fatasses Warren Sapp, Reggie White, Dana Stubblefied, Cortez Kennedy, etc.

You got to get over the myth that a shredded physique translates into athleticism, bro. I bet Vince Wilfork can run the 25m dash as fast as Ronaldo :lol There's no spinning it, the "greatest soccer athlete in the world" is ungodly slow for being a 6'0", 176 shredded specimen and playing a game in which running is 90% of the sport.

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 07:17 PM

The NFL has the greatest ratio of "obese athletes" to positional players, and these "obese" athletes often win MVP awards (Defensive MVP) like fatasses Warren Sapp, Reggie White, Dana Stubblefied, Cortez Kennedy, etc.

You got to get over the myth that a shredded physique translates into athleticism, bro. I bet Vince Wilfork can run the 25m dash as fast as Ronaldo :lol There's no spinning it, the "greatest soccer athlete in the world" is ungodly slow for being a 6'0", 176 shredded specimen and playing a game in running is 90% of the sport.

Ah.

40 yard dash:

Wilfork: 5.08 seconds

Ronaldo's projected time: 4.64-4.73

And Wilfork weighs 325lbs :lmao

Soccer "athletes."

:cry But the game is about stamina and technique

webshad

06-10-2016, 08:42 PM

Ah.

40 yard dash:

Wilfork: 5.08 seconds

Ronaldo's projected time: 4.64-4.73

And Wilfork weighs 325lbs :lmao

Soccer "athletes."

:cry But the game is about stamina and technique

Done with baseball, now moved on to football?

midnightpulp

06-10-2016, 09:58 PM

Done with baseball, now moved on to football?

Just showing him that baseball isn't the only sport where a fat guy can be great. Pretty much every sport has had great fat players. Shaq ballooned up to nearly 400lbs in 2003 and was still an MVP candidate.

And I also don't understand how soccer fans can disparage fat baseball players, football players, etc, when those guys are proven to be just as athletic if not more so :lol

Again, lean and shredded=/=athletic.

Kawhitstorm

06-11-2016, 01:19 AM

The NFL has the greatest ratio of "obese athletes" to positional players, and these "obese" athletes often win MVP awards (Defensive MVP) like fatasses Warren Sapp, Reggie White, Dana Stubblefied, Cortez Kennedy, etc.

The scrum is the equivalent of sumo wrestling to the point that linemen are force fed.:lol

You got to get over the myth that a shredded physique translates into athleticism, playing a game in which running is 90% of the sport.

Beisbol where fat rolls are the norm & 90% of the game is standing stationary for 90% of the positional players.

VlORWhsJjNM

Spurtacular

06-11-2016, 01:33 AM

It's the most fun sport to play, tbh..only thing I dislike is how short players aren't at a disadvantage like they are in all other sports:lol

Maybe not in all cases (like Messi); but collectively they still are. If you look at the size difference between MLS players and Premier League team players, it is very telling.

Kawhitstorm

06-11-2016, 01:34 AM

Ah.

40 yard dash:

Wilfork: 5.08 seconds

Ronaldo's projected time: 4.64-4.73

:lmao

Wilfork ran 5.08 from a sprinting stance after training specifically for it w/ a track coach.:lol

You don't need to "project" Ronaldo's time, he has actually been timed for how fast he cover the entire pitch from a STANDING start during the run of the play:

coIrKSqDG9U

vs

Fatso getting run down with ease despite having a running start::lol

p327WePCuYo

:lmao

Kawhitstorm

06-11-2016, 01:54 AM

Who?

Both pitchers & positional players::lol

http://ftrsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cc-sabathia-is-fat.jpg

http://www.republicjewelry.com/worldseries09/csabatgismvp.jpg

http://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r960-5281079f738cb303475672020268c9d1.jpg

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Fat-Pablo-Sandoval.jpg

http://www.posternation.com/image/view/pablo-sandoval-2012-world-series-mvp-portrait-plus-710798

Kawhitstorm

06-11-2016, 01:59 AM

Just showing him that baseball isn't the only sport where a fat guy can be great. Pretty much every sport has had great fat players. Shaq ballooned up to nearly 400lbs in 2003 and was still an MVP candidate.

Shaq is the MOST ATHLETIC 7'1" / 350+ human to EVER grace the Earth & he still got sonned by Tim when he put on 30 lbs in his prime.:lol (Only in Beisbol can a fringe All-Star player eat himself into obesity & still end up being the best player on a championship team)

And I also don't understand how soccer fans can disparage fat baseball players, football players, etc, when those guys are proven to be just as athletic if not more so :lol

Talk about the kettle calling the pot black, typical yank starting BS then playing victim when it blows up in their face.:lol

Kawhitstorm

06-11-2016, 02:09 AM

Ortiz cut, bro. It's why he's playing some of the best baseball of his career.

http://yawkeywayreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ortiz.jpg

Ortiz had a pot belly when he was crushing pitches in the World Series:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/David_Ortiz.JPG

midnightpulp

06-11-2016, 02:44 AM

:lmao

Wilfork ran 5.08 from a sprinting stance after training specifically for it w/ a track coach.:lol

You don't need to "project" Ronaldo's time, he has actually been timed for how fast he cover the entire pitch from a STANDING start during the run of the play:

coIrKSqDG9U

vs

Fatso getting run down with ease despite having a running start::lol

p327WePCuYo

:lmao

96m in 10 seconds :lol

There's hard data on Ronaldo's top speed during match play, and 20.8 MPH is the fastest he's been recorded. Decent, but not really impressive for the supposed greatest soccer athlete (we're not talking skills here, btw) the world has ever seen. And still :lol at that 30" running vert.

The 230lb Trout has reached a 21.8 mph, and this was wearing an un-aerodynamic helmet and heavy baseball cleats.

I love the spin job when I show you how fast, quick, and agile these "fatties" are.

"It's because they train for combine sprinting :cry."

Okay, fair enough. But the fact at 330lb obese fatass can train to the point where he's running 5.08 40s just further reinforces my point that fat=/=unathletic.

Aztecfan03

06-11-2016, 02:47 AM

Specials teams members are used for practice squads & as emergency backups. They aren't some scrub batting below the Mendoza line who sits in the dug out chewing tobacco until the top of the 7th.:lol

emergency backups is for when everyone else in injured. sounds about right. There are many who would never make a team if there were no special teams.

midnightpulp

06-11-2016, 02:53 AM

Shaq is the MOST ATHLETIC 7'1" / 350+ human to EVER grace the Earth & he still got sonned by Tim when he put on 30 lbs in his prime.:lol (Only in Beisbol can a fringe All-Star player eat himself into obesity & still end up being the best player on a championship team)

Talk about the kettle calling the pot black, typical yank starting BS then playing victim when it blows up in their face.:lol

What "playing the victim?"

You post homoerotic pictures of your "shredded" soccer stars, believing that physique somehow naturally translates into athleticism and then post fat baseball players or football players for comparison, naively believing they can't possibly be athletic because fat, and then I come along and show you fatass Prince Fielder (a favorite of the soccer crew) was actually just as fast as your hero Ronaldo, and then you start spinning.

if you want to talk stamina, fine. Fatness and weight, even excessive muscle weight, affects that more than anything else, but baseball and to an extent football aren't stamina centered sports, but you Yuros can't seem to comprehend that there are other forms of athletic excellence aside from running around a field for 90 minutes.

(I don't think you're Yuro, though. Probably a young hipster American who is in his anti-Baseball and anti-football phase :lol. No Yuro would know what the Mendoza line is :lol)

midnightpulp

06-11-2016, 03:06 AM

Both pitchers & positional players::lol

http://ftrsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cc-sabathia-is-fat.jpg

http://www.republicjewelry.com/worldseries09/csabatgismvp.jpg

http://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r960-5281079f738cb303475672020268c9d1.jpg

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Fat-Pablo-Sandoval.jpg

http://www.posternation.com/image/view/pablo-sandoval-2012-world-series-mvp-portrait-plus-710798

So all you have is CC? Got it.

:lol Single Series MVPs.

midnightpulp

06-11-2016, 03:22 AM

The scrum is the equivalent of sumo wrestling to the point that linemen are force fed.:lol

Beisbol where fat rolls are the norm & 90% of the game is standing stationary for 90% of the positional players.

VlORWhsJjNM

I've already showed you that isn't true by citing the height-weight average the MLB.

MLB players only have a 1.6 greater BMI than EPL players.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ScaryUnhealthyDog-size_restricted.gif

And ^^^ it's actually true :lol

https://alisonralph.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/gottalovetheitcrowd-longstoryshortfootballsocceris_0d1f2f_4796462.gif? w=584

Kawhitstorm

06-11-2016, 03:34 AM

So all you have is CC? Got it.

:lol Single Series MVPs.

All I got is a player who was the highest paid player of ALL-TIME at his position when he had a glories pot belly & another one that happens to be part of the exclusive "World Series MVP" club where less than 0.1% of HOFers EVER make it.:lol

Kawhitstorm

06-11-2016, 03:38 AM

I've already showed you that isn't true by citing the height-weight average the MLB.

MLB players only have a 1.6 greater BMI than EPL players.

BMI is for basic folks b/c it doesn't make a distinction b/w bone density/muscles mass/fat but the good news is that there is this thing called body fat index.:lol

midnightpulp

06-11-2016, 03:44 AM

All I got is a player who was the highest paid player of ALL-TIME at his position when he had a glories pot belly & another one that happens to be part of the exclusive "World Series MVP" club where less than 0.1% of HOFers EVER make it.:lol

Baseball teams hand out stupid contracts all the time. So what?

CC's WAR over the past 4 seasons averages out to 0.5 :lol

He's done.

For some real talk, he could've been an all-time great. 6'6" with all the stuff, and in shape in his younger days.

http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/1353/1353-T33Bk.jpg

"Porker" won a single series MVP. Be real, son.

Kawhitstorm

06-11-2016, 03:51 AM

(I don't think you're Yuro, though. Probably a young hipster American who is in his anti-Baseball and anti-football phase :lol

Young Hipster American?:lmao

No Yuro would know what the Mendoza line is

Only in America do folks get surprised that you know about other people's culture.:lol

You're probably a confederate flag owning red neck trying to denigrating Futbol when all you know about the game is that it involves a ball, a goal post & running.:lol

midnightpulp

06-11-2016, 03:58 AM

BMI is for basic folks b/c it doesn't make a distinction b/w bone density/muscles mass/fat but the good news is that there is this thing called body fat index.:lol

I know that, and I'd bet baseball players have a greater ratio of muscle to fat than soccer players.

Look at these bird chests and skinny fats:

http://ste.india.com/sites/default/files/2014/11/02/288027-lionel-messi-sad-700.jpg

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z231/Hekko_photo/FranckRibery.jpg

http://hollywoodmeasurements.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/wayne-rooney-height-weight.jpg

Rooney sucking it in :lol

Compared to:

https://cbswashington.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/img_9783.jpg

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/465167768-baseball-portrait-of-miami-marlins-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QVBRGxmR37Cpa3kXdwwHu%2BhJVQ GPmyL2XazOcskVVHFj%2BhZPUTnTcPcRIzPqJqwhDA%3D%3D

http://superiorathleticsnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Mike-Trout-Workout.jpg

Kawhitstorm

06-11-2016, 04:05 AM

emergency backups is for when everyone else in injured. sounds about right. There are many who would never make a team if there were no special teams.

As if football isn't the most injury impacted sport. You have washed up players getting picked up mid-season & 40 year olds coming out of retirement b/c even the cats on the practice squad are injured.:lol

Malcom Butler started the season as a practice squad player & made the most clutch defensive play in SB history:

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/malcolm-butler-intercepts-russell-wilson-super-bowl.gif?w=640&h=353

midnightpulp

06-11-2016, 04:06 AM

Young Hipster American?:lmao

Only in America do folks get surprised that you know about other people's culture.:lol

You're probably a confederate flag owning red neck trying to denigrating Futbol when all you know about the game is that it involves a ball, a goal post & running.:lol

The Mendoza Line is a pretty obscure factoid to know for someone who lives abroad that presumably hates baseball.

So Canada then? Or Northern Mexico?

:lol Assuming I'm a redneck because I hate soccer.

I liked it once upon a time. Dennis Bergkamp was my favorite player as a kid, but when I grew more into a hardcore sports fan, soccer game's design started to turn me off more and more. As I said in my first post: Poor comeback factor, poor counter-punch dynamic, predictable scoring line variation, too many ties, minigame to decide winners, diving, more diving, fouls in the box are disproportionally awarded.

Kawhitstorm

06-11-2016, 04:12 AM

I know that, and I'd bet baseball players have a greater ratio of muscle to fat than soccer players.

Look at these bird chests and skinny fats:

Dumbass, Futbol player actually can't be buff b/c they would cramp up since they ACTUALLY have to MOVE their feet.:lol

Evita/Enrique are basically built like Futbol players:

http://static.socialitelife.com/uploads/2010/05/tony-parker-shirtless-miami-yacht-photos-05222010-10-675x900.jpg

http://www.elgrafico.com.ar/advf/imagenes/4e948b3a84908_300x0.jpg

Even Kirby:

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/kobebryantshirtless1.jpg

midnightpulp

06-11-2016, 04:17 AM

Dumbass, Futbol player actually can't be buff b/c they would cramp up since they ACTUALLY have to MOVE their feet.:lol

Evita/Enrique are basically built like Futbol players:

http://static.socialitelife.com/uploads/2010/05/tony-parker-shirtless-miami-yacht-photos-05222010-10-675x900.jpg

http://www.elgrafico.com.ar/advf/imagenes/4e948b3a84908_300x0.jpg

Even Kirby:

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/kobebryantshirtless1.jpg

They actually have muscle mass. Rooney and the bodies like him don't :lol

Like I said, skinny fat.

And Ronaldo is carrying A LOT of muscle mass relative to his frame right now. He looks like a lightweight bodybuilder compared to even Kirby. So why isn't he cramping up?

Baseball players move their feet plenty, and when they do, they're proven to be faster than soccer players :lol