Manu for $14 million

[BillMc]

Only drawback (some cap expert please confirm or correct me) is that his caphold will be larger next year while we wait to decide if he retires. Is that right?

[BSfromTX]

Great for Manu. Well deserved! And for those that think he's not worth it? Remember this:

There will be players in the future most likely that will be asked to do what Manu has done. They will be able to look back at this and realize the spurs will make things right.

[Spurs9]

Should have let him walk
:cry Manu so loyal to the Spurs as they paid him $100million+ :cry
:lol Arguing if players are worth dribbling a ball for $14million

[Jdspur20]

So Spurs still need another big and sign manu for 14 mil????

[Jdspur20]

Good for Manu, well deserved money. It doesnt matter at all for Spurs` cap situation. Holt will probably pay some taxes for that.

For us that don't understand this, how does it not matter for the cap situation? Just curious,

Thanks.

[freemeat]

This makes Manu a trade-able contract. He can move to another team looking to salary dump and then be waived, unless they want him for veteran experience. If Philly wants him so bad, they're gonna have to give something up. Don't be surprised if Manu gets traded.

[K...]

Only drawback (some cap expert please confirm or correct me) is that his caphold will be larger next year while we wait to decide if he retires. Is that right?

Wouldn't they just renounce him? I don't think Manu will delay retirement next offseason. He'll know. His own self imposed retirement date is passing this summer.

[Spurs9]

This makes Manu a trade-able contract. He can move to another team looking to salary dump and then be waived, unless they want him for veteran experience. If Philly wants him so bad, they're gonna have to give something up. Don't be surprised if Manu gets traded.
I really hope so, Manu for Okafor or Noel plz

[james evans]

So the spurs are just paying mfs just because they're going to the hall of fame in the future? Da fuq? They let Boban walk and resign Ginobli for 14 fucking million? Da fuq? This shit is insane and down right fucking silly. Let his ass go. If the bulls let Pippen walk, what makes ginobli this saint that can't play for any other franchise? What happens when he gets hurt or stinks it up this year and pulls the same, "someone offered me more money' bs next season/ How long are they going to let his name cost them cap space? So we got almost $30 million tied up in 2 turnover machines of Parker and Ginobli. That's just great. it's wonderful!!!

[james evans]

I have no problem with this. Lets hope he stays healthy all year and helps the young guys develop.
:lol

[ducks]

could have seen if he would have went to philly

[Spurs9]

So the spurs are just paying mfs just because they're going to the hall of fame in the future? Da fuq? They let Boban walk and resign Ginobli for 14 fucking million? Da fuq? This shit is insane and down right fucking silly. Let his ass go. If the bulls let Pippen walk, what makes ginobli this saint that can't play for any other franchise? What happens when he gets hurt or stinks it up this year and pulls the same, "someone offered me more money' bs next season/ How long are they going to let his name cost them cap space? So we got almost $30 million tied up in 2 turnover machines of Parker and Ginobli. That's just great. it's wonderful!!!
Not to mention if they were that concerned about Manu they would have let him make way more in Philly.

[MultiTroll]

So Spurs still need another big and sign manu for 14 mil????
Yet Boban had to leave. :rolleyes

I guess the spirit of Timmy Duncan (playing for 5 mil for a 6th legit Championship) does not live on in Manu.

[JamStone]

The amount really doesn't matter since it's a one year deal. I don't think the amount has anything to do with making his contract more tradeable. The Spurs aren't going to trade Manu. It would be an absolute shock for them to do that, even if it made sense financially and the trade return. Other than if it had luxury tax implications, the amount is pretty much irrelevant.

[Beaverfuzz]

LMA didn't sign up to be part of a rebuilding project. Gasol didn't leave Chicago so he can spend a year rebuilding in San Antonio. If that's what you think, think again.

Yep. Not a rebuilding year.

[Beaverfuzz]

Nice fuck-you-Spurs gesture by Brett for offering Manu 14M :lol

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/753706963557507072


Spurs could have fucked him right back by saying, "Have him".

[wildbill2u]

Back in the day, when I first became a season ticket holder during the first year of the franchise, I used to justify the cost of my tickets to the entertainment value I got from watching the Spurs. My mantra was that "Every game, Gervin will make some unbelieveable move and shot that will be worth the price of admission."

There aren't many players who can provide that entertainment value game after game, year after year. Only the legendary greats can do it. For all Timmy's greatness, his game and skills were so fundamentally pure that we seldom came out of our seats to cheer for a particular play. Parker often came close with his great finishes on drives to the basket.

Manu, however, is one of those players whose skills are off the charts for the spectacular plays that bring folks to their feet and that we talk about in the bars whenever we talk basketball. I've personally seen every great passer from Bob Cousy to Pete Maravich, but the greatest pass I EVER saw was when Manu was dribbling on a break downcourt along the sideline and made a bounce pass through the legs of a RUNNING defender between him and a teammate for a layup. What's the degree of difficulty on that? And that dunk in Game 5 on four Heat players to seal the lead is on a lot of folks sigs.

If you understand that pro basketball is an entertainment product, the value of a player like Manu to a franchise far transcends the won/lost record. It helps keep folks coming back to watch and appreciate what these marvelous athletes can do. And we can't. Not even in our dreams.

So if the last contract mixes his current playing time potential with a little love for his willingness to play from the bench while keeping his magnificent skills in San Antonio, it ill behooves anyone to challenge or dispute the decision of the front office. A little farewell bonus is well-deserved.

[Mal]

For us that don't understand this, how does it not matter for the cap situation? Just curious,

Thanks.

It doesnt at all. Spurs signed Gasol and rest left no cap space for any new FA outside Spurs team, then they signed Manu, exceed the cap, but this is allowed, up until tax limit, which is about 20 mil above cap space for FA`s.

[Beaverfuzz]

You honestly believe there are 3 other team's better than the spurs? Warriors are obvious favorites, but still Depends on chemistry and how long that takes. Their bench is nothing compared to what it was. Clippers are older and have both star players coming off of Injuries and have never really had a consistent Bench. Spurs starting 5 is better. Thunder lost a top 5 player and a very good rotational big in ibaka. He's a starter, but it kills their rotation. No-one that caliber will be coming off their bench.

Who is going to outplay the spurs with three legitimate all stars? Like pau or not, he has always been a beast on the offensive end and consistent defensively even if people make up bad defense narratives. Almost ALL bigs are at a disadvantage away from basket. Couple might be able to make a play here and there. Kawhi will be better, lma wil be better now that he knows the system. Danny will be Better, he got his confidence back in the playoffs. Parker hopefully won't be as fat.

Spurs are looking good in the west. They upgraded their bigs across the board besides back up pf, which Anderson is likely to play. Mills will be healthier. Manu says he's healthier than he has been in couple years.
Really no reason to believe a big drop off is coming in the form of "rebuilding."

They are contending.

Keep an eye out on Portland, they can surprise a few. Just need Tony to keep and stay in shape and the Spurs can make some noise.

[Leetonidas]

some of y'all are really shitty fans tbh. let Manu walk? seriously gtfo :lol

[Jdspur20]

It doesnt at all. Spurs signed Gasol and rest left no cap space for any new FA outside Spurs team, then they signed Manu, exceed the cap, but this is allowed, up until tax limit, which is about 20 mil above cap space for FA`s.

Got it, thank you

[spurs10]

Back in the day, when I first became a season ticket holder during the first year of the franchise, I used to justify the cost of my tickets to the entertainment value I got from watching the Spurs. My mantra was that "Every game, Gervin will make some unbelieveable move and shot that will be worth the price of admission."

There aren't many players who can provide that entertainment value game after game, year after year. Only the legendary greats can do it. For all Timmy's greatness, his game and skills were so fundamentally pure that we seldom came out of our seats to cheer for a particular play. Parker often came close with his great finishes on drives to the basket.

Manu, however, is one of those players whose skills are off the charts for the spectacular plays that bring folks to their feet and that we talk about in the bars whenever we talk basketball. I've personally seen every great passer from Bob Cousy to Pete Maravich, but the greatest pass I EVER saw was when Manu was dribbling on a break downcourt along the sideline and made a bounce pass through the legs of a RUNNING defender between him and a teammate for a layup. What's the degree of difficulty on that? And that dunk in Game 5 on four Heat players to seal the lead is on a lot of folks sigs.

If you understand that pro basketball is an entertainment product, the value of a player like Manu to a franchise far transcends the won/lost record. It helps keep folks coming back to watch and appreciate what these marvelous athletes can do. And we can't. Not even in our dreams.

So if the last contract mixes his current playing time potential with a little love for his willingness to play from the bench while keeping his magnificent skills in San Antonio, it ill behooves anyone to challenge or dispute the decision of the front office. A little farewell bonus is well-deserved. Nice post Wild Bill. I said something similar with regard to the entertainment value of paying a fortune to see the games. Something tells me I wasn't getting a refund if Manu were to walk. He and Tim have always put a lot of butts in the seats. They weren't going to play poker with his agent! Again, damn glad he's back and feel he deserves every penny! Go Manu!

[Barfunk]

...

[Barfunk]

Should have let him walk
:cry Manu so loyal to the Spurs as they paid him $100million+ :cry
:lol Arguing if players are worth dribbling a ball for $14million

The Spurs are worth 1 billion dollars. A big reason for that is the players the people PAY to see. The NBA is entertainment. Without entertainment, i.e. movies, music, sports, etc, people on their spare time would not have much to do, and likely be staring at the wall. It makes no sense to pay the players who generate millions and billions $20 an hour. There would be no entertainment if the players, artists, etc didn't get paid accordingly and get a cut of the profit they are mainly responsible for. Sports players get paid what they are worth. Supply and demand.

[beirmeistr]

manu helps to draw the crowds in san antonio, and so will gasol.

[davidbowie]

congrats manu, you deserve it!

[elemento]

Players with full Bird Rights on a one year contract, like Manu, can't be traded without their consent. He would lose that protection by adding a second year.

Mel

Any idea how much this extra for Manu costs in lux tax for San Antonio ?

[Solid D]

Nice post Wild Bill. I said something similar with regard to the entertainment value of paying a fortune to see the games. Something tells me I wasn't getting a refund if Manu were to walk. He and Tim have always put a lot of butts in the seats. They weren't going to play poker with his agent! Again, damn glad he's back and feel he deserves every penny! Go Manu!

Great perspective. I'm with you 100%, since Cousy was the first NBA player I tried to emulate as a young kid. Manu is an artist...and yes, he does make mistakes, but he is still amazing to watch.

[james evans]

some of y'all are really shitty fans tbh. let Manu walk? seriously gtfo :lol
Ginobli gave us some great years, but that man is 40 years old. Do you think the lakers would have matched Kobe had he tried this bullshit this year?

[james evans]

manu helps to draw the crowds in san antonio, and so will gasol.
drawing crowds dont win games or titles. That's the same mistake George Shinn made in 1995 when he chose the dress wearing popular Larry Johnson over Mourning and the Hornets never recovered.

[Leetonidas]

Ginobli gave us some great years, but that man is 40 years old. Do you think the lakers would have matched Kobe had he tried this bullshit this year?

Yes I do. And its not like it matters as others have said its not really effecting spurs cap and its not our money. like I said before outside of Durant no one that great was available this summer. spurs are eyeing next summer

[urunobili]

Lol player fans putting Manu into money value.
So what's the price of being an icon of the team and leader off the bench?
Who's going to mentor Murray?
I'm only buying league pass and paraphernalia again because Manu is back with the Spurs. Thank you RC and the entire Spurs franchise for making this happen :tu

[beirmeistr]

drawing crowds dont win games or titles. That's the same mistake George Shinn made in 1995 when he chose the dress wearing popular Larry Johnson over Mourning and the Hornets never recovered.

you're absolutely right, but it does help pay the bills and basketball is a business.

[PublicOption]

With the salary cap this high this is not that much more money.

[Tully365]

He made 2.9 million last year. Now 14. so... 17/2 = 8.5 for 2 years, not so outrageous.
But besides all of that..
Especially with the Wade Fiasco in Miami.

It shows players... just what sort of character the Spurs Franchise is about. They took care of their pillars, Timmy and now Manu.
That just adds to the respect other FA will have for SA when considering it as a destination.
There will be trust.

:toast

[T Park]

just think of it as a make up for all of the money he left on the table from Denver in I think either 2004 or 2005. He turned down a bunch to come back.

[PingPong]

Ten million just to keep that thread "Will Manu Ginobili ever..." alive.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This makes Manu a trade-able contract. He can move to another team looking to salary dump and then be waived, unless they want him for veteran experience. If Philly wants him so bad, they're gonna have to give something up. Don't be surprised if Manu gets traded.

Exactly the opposite actually.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Players with full Bird Rights on a one year contract, like Manu, can't be traded without their consent. He would lose that protection by adding a second year.

This http://basketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/bird-rights.htm

[FuzzyLumpkins]

drawing crowds dont win games or titles. That's the same mistake George Shinn made in 1995 when he chose the dress wearing popular Larry Johnson over Mourning and the Hornets never recovered.

Signing him for $4m doesn't help us sign other players. It only costs money not opportunity.

[Mnky]

Keep an eye out on Portland, they can surprise a few. Just need Tony to keep and stay in shape and the Spurs can make some noise.

I definitely like them coming up. Did they lose Crabbe?

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Back in the day, when I first became a season ticket holder during the first year of the franchise, I used to justify the cost of my tickets to the entertainment value I got from watching the Spurs. My mantra was that "Every game, Gervin will make some unbelieveable move and shot that will be worth the price of admission."

There aren't many players who can provide that entertainment value game after game, year after year. Only the legendary greats can do it. For all Timmy's greatness, his game and skills were so fundamentally pure that we seldom came out of our seats to cheer for a particular play. Parker often came close with his great finishes on drives to the basket.

Manu, however, is one of those players whose skills are off the charts for the spectacular plays that bring folks to their feet and that we talk about in the bars whenever we talk basketball. I've personally seen every great passer from Bob Cousy to Pete Maravich, but the greatest pass I EVER saw was when Manu was dribbling on a break downcourt along the sideline and made a bounce pass through the legs of a RUNNING defender between him and a teammate for a layup. What's the degree of difficulty on that? And that dunk in Game 5 on four Heat players to seal the lead is on a lot of folks sigs.

If you understand that pro basketball is an entertainment product, the value of a player like Manu to a franchise far transcends the won/lost record. It helps keep folks coming back to watch and appreciate what these marvelous athletes can do. And we can't. Not even in our dreams.

So if the last contract mixes his current playing time potential with a little love for his willingness to play from the bench while keeping his magnificent skills in San Antonio, it ill behooves anyone to challenge or dispute the decision of the front office. A little farewell bonus is well-deserved.

Great post - it's very difficult to explain stuff like this to brainless children like TGY

[SilverSpur]

He got paid for being a player/ coach and mentor to Murray.

[Chris]

It's a lot, but he deserves it.

[Mel_13]

Mel

Any idea how much this extra for Manu costs in lux tax for San Antonio ?

I believe that they're several million dollars below the tax threshold.

[vander]

Lol at those saying he's worth it because of how much he sacrificed for the Spurs. If he didn't play for Argentina almost every year, the Spurs definitely would have at least 6 championships. But he always put the Spurs 2nd.

[elemento]

I believe that they're several million dollars below the tax threshold.

can't find any reliable source since sham went down, but I used spotrac and you're right. They have the Spurs around 7-8m below. Thanks man.

[slick'81]

Lol at those saying he's worth it because of how much he sacrificed for the Spurs. If he didn't play for Argentina almost every year, the Spurs definitely would have at least 6 championships. But he always put the Spurs 2nd.
Its ok now he and tony make the same $$ so they can share the blame

[itsamanuthree]

Lol at those saying he's worth it because of how much he sacrificed for the Spurs. If he didn't play for Argentina almost every year, the Spurs definitely would have at least 6 championships. But he always put the Spurs 2nd.

Ha, you are pathetic

[SASdynasty!]

Spurs max extended Porker when he was declining in 2014. :lmao
Was that the same year he was our only All Star, only All-NBA player, and led the Spurs in scoring and assists throughout the regular season and playoffs, including bailing us out of our only elimination game and leading the team in scoring in the Finals on the way to another championship? I forget.

[dbestpro]

Trading Gervin away has always been seen as a mistake and a black eye in the history of the franchise. They recovered from the Sean ****** Trade by getting him back. Icons from here on out are here to stay. That means Parker will be here until he retires. It is the way it is, and will always be from here on out. It is part of our tradition.

[Sean Cagney]

It's a lot, but he deserves it.

^^ His last pay day and yes he did earn it. It's just one year for those who don't like it, dude can teach some of the younger guys a few things and that is invaluable.

[Biernutz]

There is no doubt in my mind that the Colangelos were behind this for their
PHX days vs the Spurs. R.C. and Pop will get even. It may not be this
year but they will get some payback........

[K...]

So that opening offer of 3million, that would make sense if we wanted durant right? Is it reasonable to assume the spurs only lowballed him for that reason?

[ElNono]

So that opening offer of 3million, that would make sense if we wanted durant right? Is it reasonable to assume the spurs only lowballed him for that reason?

Nah, they probably wanted to rescind his cap space, then re-sign him with cap for that amount. That would've saved around ~1.5M in cap-space IIRC, possibly to try to keep Boban.

Once he was going to be signed with money over the cap, it didn't really matter how much, except for the money coming out of Holt's wife pockets.

[Beaverfuzz]

I definitely like them coming up. Did they lose Crabbe?


Nope, Portland matched.

[Beaverfuzz]

Given that there is a price floor you couldn't be more wrong. They gave away $113m for nothing last year because they didn't pay up to 90% of the cap. They are getting something for theeir money this time around.


Nope, not wrong at all. Could easily find a player or two for that $14 million.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nope, not wrong at all. Could easily find a player or two for that $14 million.

We're currently over the cap. You cannot sign non-Bird players without an exception given that. You're wrong.

If the owners do not pay the players in salary that totals to 90% of the total of the cap they pay the difference in a lump sum to the union. It is what it is.

[Beaverfuzz]

We're currently over the cap. You cannot sign non-Bird players without an exception given that. You're wrong.

If the owners do not pay the players in salary that totals to 90% of the total of the cap they pay the difference in a lump sum to the union. It is what it is.


90% can be worked around with plenty of other players, not a hard concept to grasp.

[spursistan]

Bump..

looking at det bench already and few here wanting Manu retired :lmao..I see plenty of scrubs out there in need to be spoonfed from the old dog..

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu cost us Boban

[SASdynasty!]

Manu cost us Boban
The guy who was far and away the best player on the team...well, according to "advanced" stats anyway.

[Play Boban]

Manu cost us Boban
:bobo

[Phenomanul]

Umm no.... Boban made a commitment with Detroit before Manu's contract inflated to the 14 $MM figure.

People also forget, there are only 15 total spots. Manu, even at his age is a Top 5-8 performer for the team and helps solidify the playmaking off the bench.

[GSH]

Sigh... this is getting to be like the "Why did we trade Paul George" threads - except those were jokes. The huge bump in the cap this year meant teams had a lot of money to throw at FA's. Nobody of any significance was signing for cheap, and the Spurs had less free cap than a lot of other teams. The Spurs got Gasol and Manu instead of Boban and??? Someone else. There is no way. No way. NO fucking way that Boban was going to be able to take over as the starting C on the Spurs. And the Spurs had to have a starting C. Those didn't come cheap this year, and honestly we're lucky that they were able to land Gasol.

It's inconvenient when your team can't get/keep all the players they want. That's what a salary cap does. But Gasol and Manu will allow the Spurs to keep playing like the Spurs. And as much fun as Boban is to watch, he's not Godzilla. Teams figured out how to deny him the ball. And how to draw him away from the basket when he was playing D. He had a lot to learn. We'll see how much he learned in a single offseason. But I don't think there's any way it will be enough to offset both Gasol and Manu.

[ElNono]

Top 100 player in the league, tbh... bargain...

[FromWayDowntown]

Been blessed to watch these 3 play their entire careers here and to see a savvy franchise be able to replenish by showing them that taking less at certain points was essential to cementing their Hall of Fame legacies. Their willingness to give back is laudable; their desire to get something back at the end is beyond understandable.

Spurs fans seem to think that some of these guys -- even Duncan in some years -- should just play for the minimum and be thankful for the opportunity to be with the franchise. It never ceases to amaze me.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I wanted to keep Marjanovic...

[kaji157]

I wanted to keep Marjanovic...

You could have signed Marjanovich anyway if we had Cap Space, fact, we hadn´t, Manu was signed using his brid rights, which we didn´t have in Boban´s case.

Both singings are unrelated as we could not use the money used on Manu, to keep Boban.
In order to keep Boban you had to trade away at least 10 millions, ALREADY on the payroll, say Tony for example, or choose not to bring Gasol and use THAT space.

People need to stop reading what uniformed posters say.

[bklynspursfan]

You could have signed Marjanovich anyway if we had Cap Space, fact, we hadn´t, Manu was signed using his brid rights, which we didn´t have in Boban´s case.

Both singings are unrelated as we could not use the money used on Manu, to keep Boban.
In order to keep Boban you had to trade away at least 10 millions, ALREADY on the payroll, say Tony for example, or choose not to bring Gasol and use THAT space.

People need to stop reading what uniformed posters say.

Exactly... This was mentioned when it all went down too lol :tu

[TheGreatYacht]

This was all discussed when it happened. Spurs could've easily matched Boban's offer but they couldn't because Manure was close to signing with Philly. He cost us Boban. No way to spin it, folks.

Ask Chinook

[tmtcsc]

This was all discussed when it happened. Spurs could've easily matched Boban's offer but they couldn't because Manure was close to signing with Philly. He cost us Boban. No way to spin it, folks.

Ask Chinook


Boban isn't worth the $$ he's getting paid.

[TheGreatYacht]

Boban isn't worth the $$ he's getting paid.
3yr/21M? He's easily worth what he got paid.

https://brobible.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/mozgov.jpg?quality=90&w=640

[Chinook]

This was all discussed when it happened. Spurs could've easily matched Boban's offer but they couldn't because Manure was close to signing with Philly. He cost us Boban. No way to spin it, folks.

Ask Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

The only two options were Manu at the room exception and Boban or Manu at whatever price above the room exception and Dedmon. One looks better than the other right now, but we'll have to see. Obviously Manu at the min or just gone changes the numbers a lot. But that probably was never an option.

[TheGreatYacht]

The only two options were Manu at the room exception and Boban or Manu at whatever price above the room exception and Dedmon. One looks better than the other right now, but we'll have to see. Obviously Manu at the min or just gone changes the numbers a lot. But that probably was never an option.
Thanks :tu

[I. Hustle]

Boban isn't worth the $$ he's getting paid.

No he isn't. People aren't going to realize it until he gets the heavy minutes. I liked Boban, I thought he was fun but no way in hell would I want the Spurs to commit more than 2 years on the guy. His body isn't going to stand up to the 82 game season. Let alone if they do go more than 2 rounds in the playoffs.

His body is going to breakdown especially because of the time he has already spent playing overseas.

[tmtcsc]

3yr/21M? He's easily worth what he got paid.

https://brobible.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/mozgov.jpg?quality=90&w=640

https://media.giphy.com/media/l25VewM7EeeHK/giphy.gif

[Hoops Czar]

Boban isn't worth the $$ he's getting paid.
Probably not the right thread talking about player's who aren't worth the amount of money they're about to make. :lol


No he isn't. People aren't going to realize it until he gets the heavy minutes. I liked Boban, I thought he was fun but no way in hell would I want the Spurs to commit more than 2 years on the guy. His body isn't going to stand up to the 82 game season. Let alone if they do go more than 2 rounds in the playoffs.

His body is going to breakdown especially because of the time he has already spent playing overseas.

How do you think a 39 year old Ginobili, who for the upteenth year in a row is going to be asked to carry a bench full of scrubs while trying to make them look halfway decent, will stand up to an 82 game season? Last two postseasons, he was benched during crunch time as he watched the "Ginobili's scrub all-stars" completely shit the bed without him.

Btw, Boban is hardly an athlete. He's just a guy that shoots over the top of defenders, grabs rebounds and blocks shots from a standing position because he towers over his competition. I'm not sure why you think that part of his game is going to breakdown in the next three years. Btw, have you seen Deadman play? I hope to god he's covering up an injury because that was one of the saddest 2 rebound, 6 fouls in 22 minute performances I've ever seen. He'd better be a lot better going forward because the Spurs are counting on him to be a rotation player.

[kaji157]

The only two options were Manu at the room exception and Boban or Manu at whatever price above the room exception and Dedmon. One looks better than the other right now, but we'll have to see. Obviously Manu at the min or just gone changes the numbers a lot. But that probably was never an option.
That really is not so clear to me.

You mean the Spurs could, renounce Manu, sign him with the room exception, and then Match Boban´s offer which started at 5.6 millions, and still sign Gasol? (I am counting that with Boban in we are not going for Dedmon)

[Chinook]

That really is not so clear to me.

You mean the Spurs could, renounce Manu, sign him with the room exception, and then Match Boban´s offer which started at 5.6 millions, and still sign Gasol? (I am counting that with Boban in we are not going for Dedmon)

Yes

[Mel_13]

The only two options were Manu at the room exception and Boban or Manu at whatever price above the room exception and Dedmon. One looks better than the other right now, but we'll have to see. Obviously Manu at the min or just gone changes the numbers a lot. But that probably was never an option.


That really is not so clear to me.

You mean the Spurs could, renounce Manu, sign him with the room exception, and then Match Boban´s offer which started at 5.6 millions, and still sign Gasol? (I am counting that with Boban in we are not going for Dedmon)

Yes, except that Manu was never taking the room exception, so it was not an option available to the Spurs.

There were ways to retain Manu and Boban, but they all involve not signing Gasol.

[kaji157]

Yes

I don´t get your math to offer Gasol the salary he is making. As the Spurs are at the $111,175,298 mark, and the cap is at $94,143,000, even if you remove Manus Salary, you are still over the cap and unable to offer Gasol the 15.500.000 he is making.

[kaji157]

Yes, except that Manu was never taking the room exception, so it was not an option available to the Spurs.

There were ways to retain Manu and Boban, but they all involve not signing Gasol.

I think Manu would have taken the Room Exception if those millions he was not getting were going to say, a Star or proven playoff performer, not for Boban clearly.

[Mel_13]

I think Manu would have taken the Room Exception if those millions he was not getting were going to say, a Star or proven playoff performer, not for Boban clearly.

Taking the room exception would have given the Spurs about 5.5M more cap space. So they could have possibly kept Diaw while still signing Gasol. Maybe Manu would have gone for that, but I find that highly unlikely.

Spurs could have kept Manu, Boban, and Diaw, and signed Dedmon. Just couldn't sign Gasol.

[tmtcsc]

Yes

If that is the case, it seems to me the front office didn't think he was worth the investment.

[tmtcsc]

Probably not the right thread talking about player's who aren't worth the amount of money they're about to make. :lol


I liked Boban but going forward, he was more luxury than necessity. The amount he was paid by Detroit exceeded what he was worth to the Spurs. He was a fan favorite but I didn't see him being anything more than a 7 foot 4 conversation piece.

[TheGreatYacht]

Probably not the right thread talking about player's who aren't worth the amount of money they're about to make. :lol



How do you think a 39 year old Ginobili, who for the upteenth year in a row is going to be asked to carry a bench full of scrubs while trying to make them look halfway decent, will stand up to an 82 game season? Last two postseasons, he was benched during crunch time as he watched the "Ginobili's scrub all-stars" completely shit the bed without him.

Btw, Boban is hardly an athlete. He's just a guy that shoots over the top of defenders, grabs rebounds and blocks shots from a standing position because he towers over his competition. I'm not sure why you think that part of his game is going to breakdown in the next three years. Btw, have you seen Deadman play? I hope to god he's covering up an injury because that was one of the saddest 2 rebound, 6 fouls in 22 minute performances I've ever seen. He'd better be a lot better going forward because the Spurs are counting on him to be a rotation player.
Great post Hoops, per par

[ElNono]

Probably not the right thread talking about player's who aren't worth the amount of money they're about to make. :lol

How do you think a 39 year old Ginobili, who for the upteenth year in a row is going to be asked to carry a bench full of scrubs while trying to make them look halfway decent, will stand up to an 82 game season? Last two postseasons, he was benched during crunch time as he watched the "Ginobili's scrub all-stars" completely shit the bed without him.

I don't know what Manu role will be this season, but I suspect that largely depends on the two bolded areas in your second paragraph. That makes him worth it of some money. I don't know if it's $14m, but that pricetag was put by the Sixers, not the Spurs.

[Hoops Czar]

I don't know what Manu role will be this season, but I suspect that largely depends on the two bolded areas in your second paragraph. That makes him worth it of some money. I don't know if it's $14m, but that pricetag was put by the Sixers, not the Spurs.

Agreed! Spurs got Jeremy Lin'd. But why would Brett Brown do such a thing? I thought he was our friend. Wasn't he the coach last year that was going to hand over Jahlil Okafor or Nerlans Noel to the Spurs for a scrub to be named later and a bag of cheez-its?

[kaji157]

Taking the room exception would have given the Spurs about 5.5M more cap space. So they could have possibly kept Diaw while still signing Gasol. Maybe Manu would have gone for that, but I find that highly unlikely.

Spurs could have kept Manu, Boban, and Diaw, and signed Dedmon. Just couldn't sign Gasol.

Chinook is implying that if Manu took the Room Exception then the Spurs could have Gasol and Boban, that´s what he is or is not saying.
We all agree that we could have kept Boban and Diaw if we don´t add Gasol.

[GSH]

Yes, except that Manu was never taking the room exception, so it was not an option available to the Spurs.

There were ways to retain Manu and Boban, but they all involve not signing Gasol.


That's exactly it. It was a choice between Gasol and Manu, or Boban and some second-tier player that they could have fit in under the cap. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

The money Manu got cost Holt and the minority owners some cash, but it didn't prevent them from getting superior players. If it's a choice between Gasol and Manu or, say, Boban and Diaw 2.0? It's not even close.

[GSH]

Agreed! Spurs got Jeremy Lin'd. But why would Brett Brown do such a thing? I thought he was our friend.


A lot of people in the league understand what Manu brings to the floor, and to the locker room. But few understand it better than Brett Brown. And I'm sure he didn't have to work too hard to convince Bryan Colangelo that it would be worth throwing some money at a chance to bring Manu in to be an example for the young players on that team. He's a competitor, and he still goes all-out. Those guys have never seen anything like that in a Sixers uniform. I don't think there was any attempt to screw the Spurs. I think that the Sixers had cap space, and Brown legitimately wanted to use a chunk of it to bring Manu in.

And from what we heard, even if the Sixers hadn't offered what they did, there were still other teams that were offering him a LOT more than the room exception. No matter what people here thought, signing him that cheap was never going to happen. Remember, a lot of people here (like most of them) thought the Spurs could legitimately afford Conley, and/or several other players who got grossly overpaid. The spike in the cap put a lot of money into the pool, and it gave Manu a shot at a huge payday. I can't fault him for getting it. Those other teams came looking for him.

[ElNono]

Agreed! Spurs got Jeremy Lin'd. But why would Brett Brown do such a thing? I thought he was our friend. Wasn't he the coach last year that was going to hand over Jahlil Okafor or Nerlans Noel to the Spurs for a scrub to be named later and a bag of cheez-its?

Few people know that Brett Brown was Manu's developmental coach when Gino arrived to the Spurs. There's a connection there that goes way, way back and I'm pretty sure Brett wasn't gouging, but actually felt that Manu could be a great influence to a very young team.

[alpha_HaZE]

Agreed! Spurs got Jeremy Lin'd. But why would Brett Brown do such a thing? I thought he was our friend. Wasn't he the coach last year that was going to hand over Jahlil Okafor or Nerlans Noel to the Spurs for a scrub to be named later and a bag of cheez-its?

Bill Simmons in his podcast at the time speculated and without having any info asked: Was Colangelo screwing with the Spurs?

I can see that actually, but at the same time Manu is a legend and am glad he got paid, lot's of players got paid this summer.

[Chinook]

I don´t get your math to offer Gasol the salary he is making. As the Spurs are at the $111,175,298 mark, and the cap is at $94,143,000, even if you remove Manus Salary, you are still over the cap and unable to offer Gasol the 15.500.000 he is making.

Manu only took about $5.5 Million of actual cap space. The rest was Bird rights after the fact. You take that hold out, and Boban slides right in.

[Mel_13]

Chinook is implying that if Manu took the Room Exception then the Spurs could have Gasol and Boban, that´s what he is or is not saying.
We all agree that we could have kept Boban and Diaw if we don´t add Gasol.

He didn't imply anything, he said it outright. The CBA math is absolutely correct, but it assumes that Manu would be willing to play for the RE, which is not a realistic assumption.

It is equally correct that the Spurs could have signed Gasol for his 15M and kept Manu using his Bird Rights, if we assume that Boban would have signed for the RE.

Finally, the Spurs could have matched Detroit's offer for Boban and kept Manu using his Bird Rights, if we assume that Gasol would have signed for 10M instead of 15M.

All of those scenarios require one professional basketbal player to sign for many millions of dollars less than was available to him on the open market. None of those scenarios were available to the Spurs.

[Mel_13]

Manu only took about $5.5 Million of actual cap space. The rest was Bird rights after the fact. You take that hold out, and Boban slides right in.

As above, the math works, but the Spurs were never going to renounce Manu and watch him sign elsewhere.

[Mel_13]

Few people know that Brett Brown was Manu's developmental coach when Gino arrived to the Spurs. There's a connection there that goes way, way back and I'm pretty sure Brett wasn't gouging, but actually felt that Manu could be a great influence to a very young team.

Beyond the Manu/Brown connection, Manu's agent has a relationship with Jerry Colangelo that goes back to the 1980's. Add in the salary cap floor factor and Philly was perfectly placed to make such an extreme offer.

[Chinook]

As above, the math works, but the Spurs were never going to renounce Manu and watch him sign elsewhere.

Yes, that's all true. I was just responding to TGY about how Manu and Boban worked. Manu taking $14 Million didn't cost Boban; Manu getting anything above the room exception did.

[Mel_13]

Yes, that's all true. I was just responding to TGY about how Manu and Boban worked. Manu taking $14 Million didn't cost Boban; Manu getting anything above the room exception did.


This was all discussed when it happened. Spurs could've easily matched Boban's offer but they couldn't because Manure was close to signing with Philly. He cost us Boban. No way to spin it, folks.

Ask Chinook


The only two options were Manu at the room exception and Boban or Manu at whatever price above the room exception and Dedmon. One looks better than the other right now, but we'll have to see. Obviously Manu at the min or just gone changes the numbers a lot. But that probably was never an option.

Here's why I commented. Your response to TGY, intended or not, implies that Boban plus Manu for the RE was an option that was just as available to the Spurs as Manu using Bird Rights plus Dedmon for the RE. As you've now clarified, Manu for the RE was never an available option. TGY, however, has run with your answer as support for his absurd notion.

[Chinook]

Here's why I commented. Your response to TGY, intended or not, implies that Boban plus Manu for the RE was an option that was just as available to the Spurs as Manu using Bird Rights plus Dedmon for the RE. As you've now clarified, Manu for the RE was never an available option. TGY, however, has run with your answer as support for his absurd notion.

Well his notion is that Manu is paid too much, which is at the very least debateable. He probably did have a misconception that every dollar less Manu got would be a dollar available to Boban. As we've both discussed, that's not true. But if he believes Manu is only worth the room exception -- and believes the reports that the Spurs were initially pushing him to take that amount -- then he can argue that Manu being overpaid did in fact cost the team Boban.


Boban rolling in his grave right now....

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The reality is that there was probably some cap manipulation going on. I suggested as much last season as far as what the options on Manu's and Tim's contracts meant. The report about the Sixers causing the Spurs to increase their offer by $11 Million seems absurd. My assumption is that he was probably in line for a substantial raise and that the Spurs used the report about Philly to their advantage. No I don't believe Manu at the RE was an option, but the reports out there in the summer certainly suggested that it was.

[I. Hustle]

How do you think a 39 year old Ginobili, who for the upteenth year in a row is going to be asked to carry a bench full of scrubs while trying to make them look halfway decent, will stand up to an 82 game season? Last two postseasons, he was benched during crunch time as he watched the "Ginobili's scrub all-stars" completely shit the bed without him.

Btw, Boban is hardly an athlete. He's just a guy that shoots over the top of defenders, grabs rebounds and blocks shots from a standing position because he towers over his competition. I'm not sure why you think that part of his game is going to breakdown in the next three years. Btw, have you seen Deadman play? I hope to god he's covering up an injury because that was one of the saddest 2 rebound, 6 fouls in 22 minute performances I've ever seen. He'd better be a lot better going forward because the Spurs are counting on him to be a rotation player.

Yeah let's give up a guy that has a ton of experience in our system and is able to mentor, not just the bench but, others at his position for a guy that can shoot over other team's 3rd and 4th stringers.

You do realize that, given heavy minutes, Boban is going to have to fight for position against better players, right? You think they are just going to allow him to stand there without bumping him and making him work? That works against Jimmy Chinabound but it won't against others.

[Mel_13]

Well his notion is that Manu is paid too much, which is at the very least debateable. He probably did have a misconception that every dollar less Manu got would be a dollar available to Boban. As we've both discussed, that's not true. But if he believes Manu is only worth the room exception -- and believes the reports that the Spurs were initially pushing him to take that amount -- then he can argue that Manu being overpaid did in fact cost the team Boban.

Well, you can argue anything. Good luck with the argument that paying Manu more than the RE was some sort of blunder by the FO.

[kaji157]

He didn't imply anything, he said it outright. The CBA math is absolutely correct, but it assumes that Manu would be willing to play for the RE, which is not a realistic assumption.

It is equally correct that the Spurs could have signed Gasol for his 15M and kept Manu using his Bird Rights, if we assume that Boban would have signed for the RE.

Finally, the Spurs could have matched Detroit's offer for Boban and kept Manu using his Bird Rights, if we assume that Gasol would have signed for 10M instead of 15M.

All of those scenarios require one professional basketbal player to sign for many millions of dollars less than was available to him on the open market. None of those scenarios were available to the Spurs.

Well that´s not realistic.
The correct question is.
Could the Spurs sign both boban and gasol at their respective contracts (as they were not going to give us cheap deals) if Manu signed for the RE?
I don´t think so, but you guys seem confident that if Manu took the RE then the Spurs would have been able to keep Pau and Boban at their respective contracts.

[Mel_13]

Well that´s not realistic.
The correct question is.
Could the Spurs sign both boban and gasol at their respective contracts (as they were not going to give us cheap deals) if Manu signed for the RE?
I don´t think so, but you guys seem confident that if Manu took the RE then the Spurs would have been able to keep Pau and Boban at their respective contracts.

Both Chinook and I have already answered that question in the affirmative, including in the post you just quoted. IF Manu was willing to sign for RE, then the Spurs could have signed Gasol and Boban for the deals they eventually signed. There is, however, absolutely no reason to believe that Manu would sign such a cheap deal, to use your term.

[kaji157]

Both Chinook and I have already answered that question in the affirmative, including in the post you just quoted. IF Manu was willing to sign for RE, then the Spurs could have signed Gasol and Boban for the deals they eventually signed. There is, however, absolutely no reason to believe that Manu would sign such a cheap deal, to use your term.

Ok, i just thought Manu´s hold was smaller than Boban´s first year.

[Mel_13]

Ok, i just thought Manu´s hold was smaller than Boban´s first year.

They were almost exactly equal. See post #345 where Chinook gave you the numbers in answer to one of your previous posts.

[Chinook]

Ok, i just thought Manu´s hold was smaller than Boban´s first year.

Yeah, don't forget that Boban's first year is like $5.6 Million because of the Arenas rule. The Spurs had enough cap space to where it would've been feasible financially.

[SAGirl]

Thanks for this discussion. It's the kind that is seldom seen around here. It cleared up the issue.

Everyone's opinions about the facts are personal and debatable, but the facts are clear and interesting in themselves.

[kaji157]

Yeah, don't forget that Boban's first year is like $5.6 Million because of the Arenas rule. The Spurs had enough cap space to where it would've been feasible financially.

Thnx both you and Mel

[ElNono]

Actually, IIRC, the decision to basically part ways with Boban happened the instant the Spurs decided to sign Dedmon with the RE... which was quite a bit before the announcement of the Manu deal.

[diego]

iirc manu was the last player to sign out of everyone, but its his fault boban left :roll

i liked boban, i wish pop would have used him more, but at the same time, the fact that he didnt kind of renders it all moot anyway. the very first game of the season last year, vs okc, just about everyone on this board started worrying about the west / diaw rebounding issues, and that was basically how okc beat us last year, and despite there being a need in the team for precisely what he supposedly brings (size, rebounding, easy baskets) he failed to earn the role. he had stretches in the RS where he performed very well but it was seldom vs a quality opponent, and more a reflection of how bad interior play is league wide. it will be interesting to see how he fares in detroit.

[BillMc]

A lot of people in the league understand what Manu brings to the floor, and to the locker room. But few understand it better than Brett Brown. And I'm sure he didn't have to work too hard to convince Bryan Colangelo that it would be worth throwing some money at a chance to bring Manu in to be an example for the young players on that team. He's a competitor, and he still goes all-out. Those guys have never seen anything like that in a Sixers uniform. I don't think there was any attempt to screw the Spurs. I think that the Sixers had cap space, and Brown legitimately wanted to use a chunk of it to bring Manu in.

And from what we heard, even if the Sixers hadn't offered what they did, there were still other teams that were offering him a LOT more than the room exception. No matter what people here thought, signing him that cheap was never going to happen. Remember, a lot of people here (like most of them) thought the Spurs could legitimately afford Conley, and/or several other players who got grossly overpaid. The spike in the cap put a lot of money into the pool, and it gave Manu a shot at a huge payday. I can't fault him for getting it. Those other teams came looking for him.

Well said.

[SAGirl]

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[TheGreatYacht]

784107152226955264
.... unless they didn't pay 14,000,000

[ElNono]

Philadelphia was offering a two-year contract offer that guaranteed in the first season (between $16 million and $17 million)

damn, this guy leaving money on the table to play for the Spurs again :worthy:

[SAGirl]

Seems like Philly wanted Manu to mentor Stauskas.
http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/post/_/id/24140/wednesdays-sixers-news-brown-hopes-move-to-pg-will-help-nik-stauskas

[HarlemHeat37]

It would have been fun to watch Manu with Embiid, Noel and the others, tbh..fortunately, he left $ on the table to remain with the Spurs, wouldn't want to see him in a different uniform..

[illusioNtEk]

How fucking more legendary can Manu get? Fuck you fans who wanted to let Manu walk.

[Spurs9]

How fucking more legendary can Manu get? Fuck you fans who wanted to let Manu walk.

'we needed him for the heb commercials':cry

[kaji157]

Seems like Philly wanted Manu to mentor Stauskas.
http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/post/_/id/24140/wednesdays-sixers-news-brown-hopes-move-to-pg-will-help-nik-stauskas

Here´s the complete article.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pattisonave/Sixers-hope-move-to-PG-can-grow-Stauskas-game.html

[apalisoc_9]

Actually, IIRC, the decision to basically part ways with Boban happened the instant the Spurs decided to sign Dedmon with the RE... which was quite a bit before the announcement of the Manu deal.

Yup.

Second best spur ever.

[TheGreatYacht]

TOSB is shooting 35% from the floor and from three.

TOSB is averaging 2.2apg and 1.8TO

TOSB has 0.0 Win Shares and a -1.5BPM

TOSB is earning $14,000,000

[gambit1990]

TOSB is shooting 35% from the floor and from three.

manu's fg% is higher than parker's.


TOSB is averaging 2.2apg and 1.8TO
manu and parker's TOV% are both 18.6.


TOSB has 0.0 Win Shares and a -1.5BPM
:lmao



WS
WS/48
OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


manu
0.0
.010
-1.6
0.1
-1.5
0.0


tony
0.0
-.002 :wow
-3.4
-1.9
-5.2
-0.1



manu's PER is twice as high, manu's TS% is also higher.


TOSB is earning $14,000,000
tony making more and playing worse :lol
tony making even more next season :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

^ Parker living rent free in Argietard's head tbh :lol

Cant wait till the Internet goes out in your third world country

[TheGreatYacht]

Imagine playing like a TOSB against bench scrubs :lmao

[dabom]

manu's fg% is higher than parker's.


manu and parker's TOV% are both 18.6.


:lmao



WS
WS/48
OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


manu
0.0
.010
-1.6
0.1
-1.5
0.0


tony
0.0
-.002 :wow
-3.4
-1.9
-5.2
-0.1



manu's PER is twice as high, manu's TS% is also higher.


tony making more and playing worse :lol
tony making even more next season :lol

:lol

[Clipper Nation]

manu's fg% is higher than parker's.


manu and parker's TOV% are both 18.6.


:lmao



WS
WS/48
OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


manu
0.0
.010
-1.6
0.1
-1.5
0.0


tony
0.0
-.002 :wow
-3.4
-1.9
-5.2
-0.1



manu's PER is twice as high, manu's TS% is also higher.


tony making more and playing worse :lol
tony making even more next season :lol
TheGreatFaggot getting worked like LaMarcus Aldridge in the post.

[Clipper Nation]

Imagine playing like a TOSB against bench scrubs :lmao
I know, right? Porker has really embarrassed himself over the years against the likes of Langston Galloway, Austin Rivers, Ray McCallum and Mario Chalmers.

[Pocho La Pantera]

Tgfaggot owned, again

[daledondale]

TheGreatFaggot talking about Argentina and thinking Mexico is a first world country.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/4682184/hahaha-beautiful-o.gif

[Kool Bob Love]

TOSB is shooting 35% from the floor and from three.

TOSB is averaging 2.2apg and 1.8TO

TOSB has 0.0 Win Shares and a -1.5BPM

TOSB is earning $14,000,000
good shit TGY.:toast

[MaNu4Tres]

Leave it to TheGreatYacht, one of the worst posters on this board, to bump a pointless thread about Manu.

Dumbest troll on here, hands down.

Lowering the bar, per par.

[Chinook]

It's neither Manu's nor Tony's finest hour for sure. One being worse doesn't escape the reality that the team is going to struggle to win with those two playing poorly in such big roles (at least 1/6 the rotation minutes.

[ElNono]

Dude leaving money on the table to re-sign with the Spurs again.... warrior, tbh...

[TheGreatYacht]

Leave it to TheGreatYacht, one of the worst posters on this board, to bump a pointless thread about Manu.

Dumbest troll on here, hands down.

Lowering the bar, per par.
Pointless thread? Are you as retarded as your posts?

I like how you don't semen shield when Parker threads get bumped even though he hasn't played in a week. Those are pointless bumps. Fuck off Manutard, can't wait till that TOSB retires so shitty posters like yourself never show up again

[TheGreatYacht]

good shit TGY.:toast
Gotta put these Argies back in their place tbh :toast

[MI21]

Manu has been quietly awful. He has done better things than Parker but as is the way with Manu, his mistakes are more painful than Parker ones.

That said, at this stage I hold more faith in him than I do Tony because Manu has at least had a few decent quarters this season.

[ElNono]

tbh, I wouldn't mind some of the younger guys showing some competitive fire, really playing and looking like they deserve to take over minutes...

Heck, I remember young Manu in '03-'04 doing a number on the Kobe-Shaq-Phil Lakers with Tim and Tony being out. We ended up losing the game in OT, IIRC, but after that game, you just knew there was a special player there.

Obviously, we're talking Hall of Fame talent here, and it's rare those will just fall on your lap, but with Tim retiring and Manu close to walking away, it would be nice...

[MI21]

tbh, I wouldn't mind some of the younger guys showing some competitive fire, really playing and looking like they deserve to take over minutes...

Heck, I remember young Manu in '03-'04 doing a number on the Kobe-Shaq-Phil Lakers with Tim and Tony being out. We ended up losing the game in OT, IIRC, but after that game, you just knew there was a special player there.

Obviously, we're talking Hall of Fame talent here, and it's rare those will just fall on your lap, but with Tim retiring and Manu close to walking away, it would be nice...

Agreed. It has been discussed ad nauseam, but Anderson looks worse than he did as a rookie basically while showing zero competitive spirit and that's knowing that his competition is an ancient Manu and a second year rough around the edges Simmons.

[gambit1990]

Heck, I remember young Manu in '03-'04 doing a number on the Kobe-Shaq-Phil Lakers with Tim and Tony being out. We ended up losing the game in OT, IIRC, but after that game, you just knew there was a special player there.
i remember that game as well. lakers had shaq, kobe, malone, payton.

[CGD]

i remember that game as well. lakers had shaq, kobe, malone, payton.

I was at that game. He was incredible.

[MaNu4Tres]

I was at that game. He was incredible.

The game I knew he was incredibly special.

y8zhDrzorXs

[urunobili]

The game I knew he was incredibly special.

y8zhDrzorXs
:cry

[z0sa]

i remember that game as well. lakers had shaq, kobe, malone, payton.

Double ot iirc

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol Manuretard living in the past.. Let's talk about his current play


TOSB is shooting 35% from the floor and from three.

TOSB is averaging 2.2apg and 1.8TO

TOSB has 0.0 Win Shares and a -1.5BPM

TOSB is earning $14,000,000

[K...]

So the basic rebuttal was :cry Parker also sucks :cry manu used to be good

Duly noted. Tgy once again owning the board with some blunt force logic

[HarlemHeat37]

Hopefully Green is closer to the 2014-2015 version of himself, rather than last year's, as the Spurs will need him to play 30MPG this season IMO..

Ideally, Manu's minutes are lowered to 15 or so, keeping him effective..

[TheGreatYacht]

So the basic rebuttal was :cry Parker also sucks :cry manu used to be good

Duly noted. Tgy once again owning the board with some blunt force logic
You can never go wrong throwing facts at the short bus, tbh

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/04/article-2213087-155A4FAB000005DC-675_634x484.jpg

[TheGreatYacht]

1/7 shooting to drop his 35fg% even LOWER :lmao

Trump, send this bitch packing!

[Chris]

Also the bad contested midrange and the typical turnover afterwards. It might be time for a 'Malik Rose type trade' imo tbh

[ElNono]

I'm glad he cashed in, tbh... this team with LMA is not going anywhere, might aswell get your money Manu, you already have the rings...

[TheGreatYacht]

Also the bad contested midrange and the typical turnover afterwards. It might be time for a 'Malik Rose type trade' imo tbh
Yup! I mean, we traded Bowen and he's worth more to this franchise..

[HarlemHeat37]

It's tough to watch him right now, unfortunately:(

[MaNu4Tres]

It's tough to watch him right now, unfortunately:(

He played solid D tonight. Atrocious on O though. Calling card for wings outside of Kawhi so far this year.

[Hoops Czar]

I'm glad he cashed in, tbh... this team with LMA is not going anywhere, might aswell get your money Manu, you already have the rings...

"Too early for that..."

[ElNono]

"Too early for that..."

He looks 39, tbh... there's no spinning it. His D hasn't been bad, but his playmaking was also huge off the bench, and that has not been there, unfortunately, and this team really needs it.

[poeticism707]

1/7 shooting to drop his 35fg% even LOWER :lmao

Trump, send this bitch packing!

:rollin :rollin :rollin

[Pocho La Pantera]

He is fucking 39 years old, what do you expect ffs?

[TheGreatYacht]

32.7%

[apalisoc_9]

He waw awesome the first two games...But playing over 20mpg at 39..yeah.

Need to minimize his minutes in the regular season.

[gambit1990]

32.7%
good thing we're paying parker half a million more so he can shoot 0.6% better than manu.

manu's PER is still double, manu's TS% is higher... still has a better: WS/48, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP.

[TheGreatYacht]

good thing we're paying parker half a million more so he can shoot 0.6% better than manu.

manu's PER is still double, manu's TS% is higher... still has a better: WS/48, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP.
You were glad Parker sat out yesterday and Green came back. Team lost.

They were selling your shit, pussy.

32.7%

[gambit1990]

You were glad Parker sat out yesterday and Green came back. Team lost.

They were selling your shit, pussy.

32.7%
i'm still glad parker sat out. so far this season he's been outplayed by a 39 year old:

good thing we're paying parker half a million more so he can shoot 0.6% better than manu.

manu's PER is still double, manu's TS% is higher... still has a better: WS/48, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP.

[Pocho La Pantera]

good thing we're paying parker half a million more so he can shoot 0.6% better than manu.

manu's PER is still double, manu's TS% is higher... still has a better: WS/48, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP.close thread. TGF owned.... again.

[gambit1990]

32.7%
after tonight manu is shooting 37.5%.

parker?

31.4%

:rollin

[ElNono]

after tonight manu is shooting 37.5%.

parker?

31.4%

:rollin

3-11, 7 pts on 11 shots...

head of the snake...

[TheGreatYacht]

4-1 with Parker starting
1-3 without Parker

[DAF86]

Manu at age 34 shot 52.6% , tbh.

[kaji157]

So far, best 14 million guard in the team.

[Pocho La Pantera]

Please stop abusing TGF!!

[spursistan]

Muh nigga with two really solid games..wish we get this Manu in the playoffs..

[TheGreatYacht]

Looks really good now that Mills is back on that bench unit. Hope he keeps it up :tu

[ElNono]

Despite the good play, I still think he shouldn't play back to backs... it's obvious he's still has plenty in the tank, but this team clearly will need him and need him rested...

[gambit1990]

32.7%
manu is now shooting 41%.

still higher than parker.

[kaji157]

Full vintage performance, not bad for 15 minutes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbVoahO7b1g

[daledondale]

:bobo:flag:

[TheGreatYacht]

manu is now shooting 41%.

still higher than parker.
37.1%

[gambit1990]

37.1%
that's better than what tony's shot the past two games.

on the season, manu's eFG% and TS% is still higher. manu still has a better OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP.

[tholdren]

Why does it matter. Spurs owe manu for all of their rings during his time there. He's still the smartest player in the league.

[james evans]

Why does it matter. Spurs owe manu for all of their rings during his time there. He's still the smartest player in the league.
that somehow is always turning the ball over late in the game with dumb passes

[DAF86]

Manu was being paid less than Malik Rose in 2005. He deserves any and all of those loyalty cents he's getting, tbh.

[raybies]

It's all moot tbh he'll be off the cap next year anyway.

[sasaint]

that somehow is always turning the ball over late in the game with dumb passes

Very unfortunate. After Manu's "comeback" last season I thought his role was evolving into a spot-up 3-point shooter. If he could confine himself to that role, I think he would be a real asset.

[jermaine]

Would you rather pay Manu that, our Ian Mahimi 16mil?

[tholdren]

that somehow is always turning the ball over late in the game with dumb passes
just because his body can't do what his mind asks, doesn't mean he isnt smart. Dude caught a bat on live tv. stop being a douche

[Ozballer]

It is clearly a commercial decision. Not knowing the numbers, the brand Ginobili has a lot of $$ worth for the franchise value as well as ticket and merchandise sales, particularly in the first year with no Duncan and with a roster full of new or relatively new faces. A non brainer considering he can also add value on the court. :toast

[Hoops Czar]

just because his body can't do what his mind asks, doesn't mean he isnt smart. Dude caught a bat on live tv. stop being a douche

If you ask Ginobili, he'd tell you that was very stupid thing to do.

[ElNono]

Bargain, tbh

[Mel_13]

Bargain, tbh

Indeed. Still worth the price of admission after all these years.

[ElNono]

Just caught up with the game... :wow

[TheGreatYacht]

0/9

[TheGreatYacht]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/04/23/30E47AA700000578-3432655-image-a-1_1454628614561.jpg

Only one of these can save the season

[HarlemHeat37]

That was painful to watch, tbh..he was trying hard on defense, diving for loose balls, etc, but I cringed every time he took a shot, sadly..it was like watching your beloved, arthritic, 14-year old dog trying to walk up the stairs..

[ElNono]

Just one of those nights where he actually looks 39 y/o, tbh... it's unfortunate that the Spurs still need good production from him to win in nights where a guy like LMA is off... c'est la vie

[MaNu4Tres]

That was painful to watch, tbh..he was trying hard on defense, diving for loose balls, etc, but I cringed every time he took a shot, sadly..it was like watching your beloved, arthritic, 14-year old dog trying to walk up the stairs..

:lol

I'll forever be one of Manu's biggest fans, but man I wish he retired last year. Its painful to watch him sometimes.

[MultiTroll]

:lol

I'll forever be one of Manu's biggest fans, but man I wish he retired last year. Its painful to watch him sometimes.
To the contrary, that 1st quarter dive for the loose ball and completely sprawled out flicking it back inbounds for the save as it almost went out of bounds was classic Manu.

The team was so discombobulated tonight. Looked like Chicago High School vs San Antonio High.

[Hoops Czar]

:lol

I'll forever be one of Manu's biggest fans, but man I wish he retired last year. Its painful to watch him.

[Kawhitstorm]

0/9

:pop:"Davis, tell the media that Manu is better than you"

[apalisoc_9]

Everyone knows I'm a huge Manu fan..but man he's offense is just not there anymore. Painful offensive player to observe every game. Good game out of every 4 or 5...but otherwise poor.

Also really tends to force the issue.

[Gagnrath]

The issue is really that he is a 14 million dollar man this year. He really should be a 9 million player and the 2 or 3rd year player drafted mid first round as his replacement should be making 5 and complaining about it since 3 games out of 4 he gets the majority of the playing time while Manu is making a fair well cameo.

[SAGirl]

If his 3 pt shot is gone and he's going to be Kirby levels done this season he will need to be benched. I suspect he gets chances to get out of this funk but he probably needs a shorter leash. It's a loss for the team of he's done, but he looks it very often and might get worse in the postseason.

Age catches everyone in the end and this season father time called to claim him.

[TheGreatYacht]

35.9FG%

[HarlemHeat37]

What a performance, last night, missed FTs notwithstanding..should be paying him 24 million, tbh..

[gambit1990]

35.9FG%
manu currently has a higher eFG% & TS% than tony.

[TheGreatYacht]

manu currently has a higher eFG% & TS% than tony.
38.5FG%

[dabom]

manu currently has a higher eFG% & TS% than tony.

Always has. :lol

[gambit1990]

38.5FG%
manu's 39, i don't expect him to shoot lights out. he actually has an impact defensively, unlike the other guard the spurs are paying 14 million.

manu at 39 also has a higher PER than tony.

[Pocho La Pantera]

38.5FG%he improved a lot.

[TheGreatYacht]

PG rotation (Parker + Mills), $18,024,261/yr:
21.4ppg, 3.9rpg, 8.3apg, 46.9FG%

SG rotation (Green + Ginobili), $24,000,000/yr:
15.8ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.5apg, 41.4FG%

SF rotation (Leonard + Simmons), $18,512,699/yr:
30.2ppg, 7.9rpg, 4.9apg, 46.1FG%

PF rotation (Aldridge + Lee), $22,126,664/yr:
24.4ppg, 12.3rpg, 3.6apg, 53.2FG%

C rotation (Gasol + Dedmon), $18,398,000/yr:
16.7ppg, 13.6rpg, 3.1apg, 52.6FG%

Contrary to popular belief, the PG's aren't the problem with this team. There's a glaring weakness above.

[TheGreatYacht]

he improved a lot.
37.1FG%

[Pocho La Pantera]

37.1FG% he decreased a little.

[TheGreatYacht]

he decreased a little.
:lol

[kaji157]

PG rotation (Parker + Mills), $18,024,261/yr:
21.4ppg, 3.9rpg, 8.3apg, 46.9FG%

SG rotation (Green + Ginobili), $24,000,000/yr:
15.8ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.5apg, 41.4FG%

SF rotation (Leonard + Simmons), $18,512,699/yr:
30.2ppg, 7.9rpg, 4.9apg, 46.1FG%

PF rotation (Aldridge + Lee), $22,126,664/yr:
24.4ppg, 12.3rpg, 3.6apg, 53.2FG%

C rotation (Gasol + Dedmon), $18,398,000/yr:
16.7ppg, 13.6rpg, 3.1apg, 52.6FG%

Contrary to popular belief, the PG's aren't the problem with this team. There's a glaring weakness above.

Actually the problem is that Manu isbeing paid 14 million for this year.

And a bigger problem isthat other guard who has the same contract but for 3 years...

[Splits]

37.1FG%

Jesus, this fuck... He's approaching Kirby levels...

36.7FG%

[ElNono]

Meh, only 6.5 FGA per game... lowest since his rookie season... also, hitting .396 from downtown.... Kirby back in 2014 was shooting .304 from 3pt land... long way to go for Manu to catch TOSB Kirby...

[ElNono]

I'm actually hopeful that Simms keeps improving, we're going to need a reliable backup SG next season...

[TheGreatYacht]

Jesus, this fuck... He's approaching Kirby levels...

36.7FG%
0.9FG% away from from 2016 Achilles Kirby :wow

[sasaint]

Meh, only 6.5 FGA per game... lowest since his rookie season... also, hitting .396 from downtown.... Kirby back in 2014 was shooting .304 from 3pt land... long way to go for Manu to catch TOSB Kirby...

Manu just needs to confine himself to being a spot-up 3-point shooter. Oh, and quit the stupid reaching fouls.

[james evans]

i wish he would stop those dumb ass passes

[Pocho La Pantera]

Updates please.

[TheGreatYacht]

Updates please.
36.9FG%

[Pocho La Pantera]

Going up, update, don't cheat, bastard!

[TheGreatYacht]

Going up, update, don't cheat, bastard!
37.4FG%

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/david-stern-chokes-on-water-during-nets-clippers-game.gif

[DAF86]

37.4FG%

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/david-stern-chokes-on-water-during-nets-clippers-game.gif

True shooting %

Manu - 53.9 %
Tony - 52.6 %

Of course Manu is not going to have a high FG%, he shoots mostly 3's nowadays. And he's doing a pretty damn well job at it, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol TS%
:lol stat that heavily favors 3-pt chucking and free throws
:lol the Electoral college of stats which favors rural redneck states

[DAF86]

:lol TS%
:lol stat that heavily favors 3-pt chucking and free throws
:lol the Electoral college of stats which favors rural redneck states

So, a stat that reflects winning basketball, tbh.

[DAF86]

TEAM A shoots nothing but 3's.
TEAM B shoots nothing but 2's.

TEAM A goes 40/100 from the field.
TEAM B goes 50/100 from the field.

TEAM A shoots 40%.
TEAM B shoots 50%.

TEAM A wins by 20.

[dabom]

So, a stat that reflects winning basketball, tbh.

:lol

[Pocho La Pantera]

TEAM A shoots nothing but 3's.
TEAM B shoots nothing but 2's.

TEAM A goes 40/100 from the field.
TEAM B goes 50/100 from the field.

TEAM A shoots 40%.
TEAM B shoots 50%.

TEAM A wins by 20.
Game, set, match, champioship, close thread.

[Cry Havoc]

TEAM A shoots nothing but 3's.
TEAM B shoots nothing but 2's.

TEAM A goes 40/100 from the field.
TEAM B goes 50/100 from the field.

TEAM A shoots 40%.
TEAM B shoots 50%.

TEAM A wins by 20.

SHUT IT DOWN

[Cry Havoc]

That said, we need more consistency from Manu.

[From Downtown]

That said, we need more consistency from Manu.

Sure, but he's not been bad by any mean this season
And he's been great from 3

[Pocho La Pantera]

37.4FG%

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/david-stern-chokes-on-water-during-nets-clippers-game.gif update! YCS!

[spursistan]

11 pts (6-11)/5 Rebs/4 Asts/3 Stls at 39 yo

Nuggets killer forever :wakeup

[SAGirl]

Brown spoke on ESPN reporter Adrian Wojnarowski’s podcast (h/t Liberty Ballers (https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/12/11/16762436/the-sixers-were-apparently-a-lot-closer-to-signing-manu-ginobili-brett-brown-spurs-woj-76ers)) about just how close the Sixers were to signing the Argentinian star in 2016’s free agency period. Responding to Wojnarowski’s question on if Philadelphia thought it was getting him, Brown said, “No doubt, you know? And because it was sorta confirmed.”
The former Spurs assistant felt guilty, however. He doesn’t feel comfortable trying to steal Ginobili from Gregg Popovich, even if it was over one year ago:
“To this day, I don’t feel entirely, 100% comfortable about what happened,” Brown continued, “[but] yesterday I texted Manu and Pop and said ‘I knew he was worth the money we were offering after I see him break the Celtics’ back.’”


https://airalamo.com/2017/12/11/san-antonio-spurs-manu-ginobili-almost-left-sixers-free-agency/

[ducks]

Over paid

[Hoops Czar]

Over paid

[TheGreatYacht]

Over paid

[tholdren]

Over paid

Blue font

[Hoops Czar]

blue font

[tholdren]

Sad manu best player on spurs

[ducks]

Why lie

[ElNono]

Sad manu best player on spurs

[Pocho La Pantera]

Best spur ever, two more years please!

[Canyonero]

Still playing better than the $15M+ starting point guard.

[TheGreatYacht]

Build the wall

[tholdren]

Still playing better than the $15M+ starting point guard.

Or anyone other than lma and pau

[BillMc]

I'd like to see Manu continue beyond this season.

[ducks]

I'd like to see Manu continue beyond this season.

Maybe at vet min or coach