2016-17 Training Camp Thread

[tonight...you]

:rolleyes I'm not nearly as keen on semantics as you seem to be.
You're not nearly as keen on accuracy and memory, that's for sure.

[tbdog]

That's not a rule at all. Normally, you can totally re-sign players you waive. It's only a question because the Spurs stretched him and thus could be accused of cheating the cap by re-signing him.

As far as I know, the new cba directly addressed this issue, that you cannot play for the team that traded you or waived you in that season.

[dabom]

You're not nearly as keen on accuracy and memory, that's for sure.

:lol

[tonight...you]

:lol
Look, I don't want to be a dick to Chinook, but Jesus Christ! Things are getting misrepresented and I'm supposed to just think, ah... semantics. We were talking about this just an hour ago!

[Chinook]

As far as I know, the new cba directly addressed this issue, that you cannot play for the team that traded you or waived you in that season.

You can't play for a team if they've traded you in the past year (unless you were an expiring or didn't have an option picked up). You can be waived and re-signed just fine, so long as you're not traded.

[dabom]

NVM :lol

[Chinook]

Look, I don't want to be a dick to Chinook, but Jesus Christ! Things are getting misrepresented and I'm supposed to just think, ah... semantics. We were talking about this just an hour ago!

You seem obsessed with having your words represented as you've intended while also having an issue with others' posts being too verbose. It's extremely inconsistent. If you wrote longer posts, it would be harder to get a meaning you didn't intend. That's why people do it. Sometimes, they're too concerned with people potentially misinterpreting it. And sometimes people are dicks and do it anyway. But that's the idea.

Anyway, no, I don't care to explore the differences between "posting too much" or "making posts that are too long" or "saying things in too many words". I don't think it's a helpful distinction to make as 1) I won't be posting with any of those in mind and 2) We can totally bury this conversation and pretend like this never happened. I'll keep on posting as I like, and you'll do the same, and when we want to talk to each other, we can do that with no ill will.

[dabom]

1) The Report:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1465870

(Basically a recap of chatter from front-office guys during the summer league. Posting the entire Spurs section, but the last point is the most important.)



2) Credibility

Keith Smith is a basketball writer who is a Celtics mod on RealGM (Smitth731). He's basically all of the things you guys like about me and none of the things you guys don't like about me. He's the author of what is easily the most comprehensive spreadsheet out there for NBA salaries:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T2Eg_zvqNqQD_5TpE4Ns6xhElatXdLpYG1roZtRLyvE/edit#gid=1562502222 Like Mark Deeks, he's not the quickest with the news, but he's the most accurate at least when it comes to salaries.

He freely admits he's not a reporter, and if you know of him at all, it's possible that you do because he sort of "broke" a Griffin-to-Boston trade that hasn't happened yet. So right now, he's not on the tier right Woj in terms of dropping bombs. Still, this is Spurstalk, not a court of law.

3) Veracity

I believe Smith did hear the chatter. He has a good track record and does too much other good work for it to make sense for him to damage his credibility about a team/fanbase he probably don't care much about at all. But that's only part of the equation. Who was his source? The big possibility would be RC, since he was there and easily available and would obviously know what the team was thinking. But there were other Spurs' people there, including some FO guys probably and definitely the SL coaching staff. The latter group doesn't really seem to have much credibility, except for maybe Becky. Then there could be their players, but I consider that completely unlikely. Regardless of who said it, I have a hard time believing it. They didn't even know they were going to get Dedmon (although by the time whoever talked to Smith, they did, obviously), I don't think they'd be crazy enough to plan on starting Willie Reed, and he was the runner up.

4) Implications

Like OMG. It's strange to think Pau would be okay with this. But if it were something the Spurs would say during the SL, then you'd have to think they talked to him about it prior to signing him. Whether it works out that Pau comes off the bench or not, it sure does suggest that he's not obsessed with starting. But it does make sense. Off the bench, the Spurs are looking to play one-in-four-out, so he'd probably get a sh'ton of low-post touches he wouldn't necessarily be able to have with the starters. I'd probably be hurt defensively, however, playing without at least one of Green or Kawhi a lot of the time.

For the bench, it would change my projection of their offense. I'd actually expect it to be closer to how the starters roll, with Anderson playing the Kawhi role on offense and Pau playing the LMA role. I don't know how much I would like that. Manu would just sort of be there, like Parker is with the starters. Mills should be fine. And Bertans/Simmons would probably get touches. But I don't think there's a consistent plan of attack with that unit. Just seems like a lot of iso's and jump-shooting. Should help stave off worry about the bench not having talent or go-to offense, though.

For the starters, it sort of allows them to keep their offense from last year. Dedmon doesn't have Tim's upside offensively, but if he can board and finish, he should be able to be more effective than Tim was at the end. Parker gets another PnR partner, which might help him drive more easily. Green gets a dump-off man on his ill-fated drives. For the folks wanting that big roll-man/finisher, you'd be getting your wish. Defensively, the idea of funneling to Dedmon seems interesting. Dude's a talented shot-blocker, and you'd hope Danny and Kawhi would put him in easy-help positions. He can show on the PnR and recover, so that's an improvement over Duncan. But he's also a foul-machine, at least for a potential starter. Tim's best defensive attribute was that he contested so well without fouling. Would be an adjustment.

For Dedmon, I think this would hurt him. The SL won't have the spacing the bench was projected to. I think he's getting third-big minutes no matter where he is in the rotation, so instead of being a pillar of offensive ball-movement as he would be off the bench, he would be the fifth option that'd really only get touches if the third option can't find a way to score. He'd have to live as a garbage man, which is cool, but not as glamorous. Could still end up closing out games if he plays his role well enough, though.

:lmao

I wonder if he'll ever respond to this. :lmao

[tonight...you]

You seem obsessed with having your words represented as you've intended while also having an issue with others' posts being too verbose. It's extremely inconsistent. If you wrote longer posts, it would be harder to get a meaning you didn't intend. That's why people do it. Sometimes, they're too concerned with people potentially misinterpreting it. And sometimes people are dicks and do it anyway. But that's the idea.

Anyway, no, I don't care to explore the differences between "posting too much" or "making posts that are too long" or "saying things in too many words". I don't think it's a helpful distinction to make as 1) I won't be posting with any of those in mind and 2) We can totally bury this conversation and pretend like this never happened. I'll keep on posting as I like, and you'll do the same, and when we want to talk to each other, we can do that with no ill will.
:tu

[Chinook]

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Cool. So who's your guy for the last spot?

[tonight...you]

Cool. So who's your guy for the last spot?
I don't have a gut feeling yet. Right now it's Lapro, or Arci just for that 3rd PG position, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that spot to remain open also.
After a few pre-season games, I'm sure we'll all have a better feel for things. I like Garino, after watching him D up some guys, but he looked a lot better in the Olympics than in college and I wonder why...

[Chinook]

I don't have a gut feeling yet. Right now it's Lapro, or Arci just for that 3rd PG position, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that spot to remain open also.
After a few pre-season games, I'm sure we'll all have a better feel for things. I like Garino, after watching him D up some guys, but he looked a lot better in the Olympics than in college and I wonder why...

I would kind of be surprised if the spot was left open, now that they have five candidate for the Toros and only four allotments. They seemed to have given money to the rookies to make being in Austin more palatable, so their plan looks to be to have them there. I have no idea if they gave Richards any money, but with the Toros lacking bigs, it would be best if he were assigned there. Obviously, losing the 20th man is hardly a tragedy, but still, it seems best to hold onto them for a least a little while. They all have some use to the big club.

For Garino, I think he played better because he was playing with better teammates. Role-players tend not to have as big of a struggle as stars, as their roles tend not to change, while many college stars end up having to face the fact that they can't dominate against better guys. Look at Jimmer for an example.

[tonight...you]

I would kind of be surprised if the spot was left open, now that they have five candidate for the Toros and only four allotments. They seemed to have given money to the rookies to make being in Austin more palatable, so their plan looks to be to have them there. I have no idea if they gave Richards any money, but with the Toros lacking bigs, it would be best if he were assigned there. Obviously, losing the 20th man is hardly a tragedy, but still, it seems best to hold onto them for a least a little while. They all have some use to the big club.

For Garino, I think he played better because he was playing with better teammates. Role-players tend not to have as big of a struggle as stars, as their roles tend not to change, while many college stars end up having to face the fact that they can't dominate against better guys. Look at Jimmer for an example.
Yeah... I like that kid (Garino). We'll see how the cookie crumbles soon enough.

[Chinook]

Yeah... I like that kid (Garino). We'll see how the cookie crumbles soon enough.

Hell, yeah. Monday. :flag:

[SAGirl]

I would kind of be surprised if the spot was left open, now that they have five candidate for the Toros and only four allotments. They seemed to have given money to the rookies to make being in Austin more palatable, so their plan looks to be to have them there. I have no idea if they gave Richards any money, but with the Toros lacking bigs, it would be best if he were assigned there. Obviously, losing the 20th man is hardly a tragedy, but still, it seems best to hold onto them for a least a little while. They all have some use to the big club.

For Garino, I think he played better because he was playing with better teammates. Role-players tend not to have as big of a struggle as stars, as their roles tend not to change, while many college stars end up having to face the fact that they can't dominate against better guys. Look at Jimmer for an example.
I kind of expect them to pick somebody. Pop hasn't had trouble the past couple of seasons going in with a full roster.

Contract issues completely mystify me, but it's not like they have cap space to pick up somebody random midseason, and if they do pick up a vet minimum, they had no trouble cutting ppl in the past (Butler and Ray, Daye the season before). I kind of think part of the reason they didn't pick up Bonner was to not have to face the decision to cut him midseason. He was close to being the cut last season. I do think Pop wrestled with that decision a small degree at least, and if he was in position to cut Bonner this season again, then it was time to let him go. Bertans made his skills completely redundant and if there was a need to cut somebody, Bonner would have been the first to go. That is sort of how I see the Bonner situation. In terms of who they pick up, I tend to think guard, but a lot depends on how Murray himself is looking. Pop may want somebody just to compete with him and push him to be better.

Other than that, Garino could be useful considering the small ball league, possible injuries, JSimms possibly not being solid after all, etc. There is Bertans there to, but since he said he's playing the 4, I am taking him at his word. It's possible in a Bertans, Anderson lineup they can crossmatch and do whatever and it doesn't matter what you call each, but technically for Pop he's a 4. With Anderson it doens't matter what we call him, but in lineups with other perimeter players, Bertans is likely a 4, so maybe there is a spot for another wing.

It's hard to tell without seeing these guys play in preseason games. I don't think bottom line that there is anyone clearly ahead. Do you?

[ceperez]

I don't have a gut feeling yet. Right now it's Lapro, or Arci just for that 3rd PG position, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that spot to remain open also.
After a few pre-season games, I'm sure we'll all have a better feel for things. I like Garino, after watching him D up some guys, but he looked a lot better in the Olympics than in college and I wonder why...

The more experienced player will likely stick. Spurs need a 3rd point guard. This guy will likely stick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXP7yxsWRaA

Garino will likely go to Toros. He already expressed that he would. I would love to have an additional 3 and D player though,

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[tbdog]

You can't play for a team if they've traded you in the past year (unless you were an expiring or didn't have an option picked up). You can be waived and re-signed just fine, so long as you're not traded.

Well if I am wrong, I am wrong. But isn't there a fine line between getting waived and resigned and restructuring a deal? Couldn't teams waive expensive contracts that would not be claimed off the waiver wire then resigned to have less of a burden on the cap?

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[tonight...you]

The more experienced player will likely stick. Spurs need a 3rd point guard. This guy will likely stick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXP7yxsWRaA

Garino will likely go to Toros. He already expressed that he would. I would love to have an additional 3 and D player though,
Agreed on all points. I think I said my initial thought would be him, or Arci with Lapro being a more certain prospect, in my eyes. At least to begin the season.

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he shouldn't worry so much about conditioning. Standing and waiving a towel doesn't take that much out of you.

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[tonight...you]

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That's nice to read!

[tbdog]

From those pics. Parker, Green, LMA, Gasol are on team black. Mills, Simmons, Manu, Leonard, Dedmon are on team white. Now we know Leonard will be a starter, but I am pretty sure this means Parker will continue to start over Mills.

[Chinook]

Well if I am wrong, I am wrong. But isn't there a fine line between getting waived and resigned and restructuring a deal? Couldn't teams waive expensive contracts that would not be claimed off the waiver wire then resigned to have less of a burden on the cap?

Yes. But that's not very common for a lot of reasons, not the least of which are that owners don't want to spend more money and that GMs don't want to expose players they like to other teams by waiving them.

[SAGirl]

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Excited about that tweet about Murray. Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!
First of all bc they don't know how much Austin he needs, so I think he's looking better than we thought.
Second bc him having impact defensively means he could get minutes through the season and help out even if he's low usage bc his shot still needs work. I could totally see him push J.Simms out if he's having good impact defensively this early. I can totally picture him stealing the ball from JSimms in fact.
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[DeRozan m8]

Murray already a better defender than Parker

[tonight...you]

Excited about that tweet about Murray. Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!
First of all bc they don't know how much Austin he needs, so I think he's looking better than we thought.
Second bc him having impact defensively means he could get minutes through the season and help out even if he's low usage bc his shot still needs work. I could totally see him push J.Simms out if he's having good impact defensively this early. I can totally picture him stealing the ball from JSimms in fact.
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Wouldn't bug me even a bit. Go get 'em, kid!

[ElNono]

That is true, though. Simmons is extremely coddled. No way would he survive the Green treatment. Anderson doesn't get the shit Green got, but he's still not nearly as babied.

In what way? Simms got bounced back to the D-League, we just learned he was basically told in the off season to clean up his game (or else). That's far from coddled and a lot closer to the Green treatment.

[ElNono]

Jesus, David Lee wearing a Spurs uniform :vomit::vomit:

If I go by the interview today, he's a changed man, tbh... he looks desperate for another deal, tbh, he might actually put forth some effort now...

[SAGirl]

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[Chinook]

In what way? Simms got bounced back to the D-League, we just learned he was basically told in the off season to clean up his game (or else). That's far from coddled and a lot closer to the Green treatment.

You're the third person who's asserted that being sent to Austin is some form of tough love. I don't buy that at all. It gets you more playing time and a bigger role without losing money. As far as giving him stuff to work on, they do that with every player. Anderson had his stuff, as did the rest of the summer-leaguers. Kawhi and Cory had their things as well. I'm sure even vets have them. I never got the ultimatum in his words, especially because the Spurs announce he was guaranteed before the SL even started. If anything, that's evidence of being "coddled" rather than the other way around.

[tonight...you]

You're the third person who's asserted that being sent to Austin is some form of tough love. I don't buy that at all. It gets you more playing time and a bigger role without losing money. As far as giving him stuff to work on, they do that with every player. Anderson had his stuff, as did the rest of the summer-leaguers. Kawhi and Cory had their things as well. I'm sure even vets have them. I never got the ultimatum in his words, especially because the Spurs announce he was guaranteed before the SL even started. If anything, that's evidence of being "coddled" rather than the other way around.
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“He told me I need to talk more on defense,” center Dewayne Dedmon said. “I’ll be doing that next time.”

That's great

[ElNono]

You're the third person who's asserted that being sent to Austin is some form of tough love. I don't buy that at all. It gets you more playing time and a bigger role without losing money. As far as giving him stuff to work on, they do that with every player. Anderson had his stuff, as did the rest of the summer-leaguers. Kawhi and Cory had their things as well. I'm sure even vets have them. I never got the ultimatum in his words, especially because the Spurs announce he was guaranteed before the SL even started. If anything, that's evidence of being "coddled" rather than the other way around.

I don't know if "tough love" is how I would describe it, more like he needed to play minutes and he didn't earn them in the main team. Now, "coddled" to me is still giving him minutes in the main team when he didn't earn them, not actually sending him literally to the bottom of the barrel.

You don't have to buy it, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. As far as professional NBA players go, the distance from the D-League to being a starter getting consistent minutes in a rotation is basically the distance from the bottom to the top. He was sent to the bottom repeatedly, the next step was getting cut.

I do certainly think this season is make or break for Simms, and even more so than Kyle. The Spurs, however, are in a conundrum in how the roster has been built so far. There really isn't a natural SG replacement on the team. They don't appear to have enough money to add one (outside another KMart-style picking). Garino is probably the closest they have, but can only give you the defense, and I think the bench will need more scoring. So tough situation all around.

[ElNono]

I guess another alternative would be to bring up Murray or Lapro to play backup PG and let manu play backup SG... perhaps that's some of the thinking in loading up with backup PGs. But Manu won't play many minutes.

[HarlemHeat37]

If I go by the interview today, he's a changed man, tbh... he looks desperate for another deal, tbh, he might actually put forth some effort now...

He's a 33-year old White American player in 2016:lol

A frontcourt of Aldridge/Gasol/Lee might be the softest trio we'll ever see in the NBA playoffs, tbh..Spurs might have to install a tampon dispenser in the locker room..

[ElNono]

He's a 33-year old White American player in 2016:lol

:lol I know, but his role will be limited and off the bench. The only question is if he got some humbling in Dallas and understands he can't take shit for granted anymore.

Ultimately, if Kyle does end up playing the 4, we might not need him much at all as long as Dedmon can give us some hustle play.

[tonight...you]

He's a 33-year old White American player in 2016:lol

A frontcourt of Aldridge/Gasol/Lee might be the softest trio we'll ever see in the NBA playoffs, tbh..Spurs might have to install a tampon dispenser in the locker room..
:lol And a condom dispenser in the visitor's. I doubt it will get used much... lots of guys just like it raw.

[SAGirl]

From those pics. Parker, Green, LMA, Gasol are on team black. Mills, Simmons, Manu, Leonard, Dedmon are on team white. Now we know Leonard will be a starter, but I am pretty sure this means Parker will continue to start over Mills.
My guess, they were testing different backup SF candidates that could start if Leonard is injured. Kyle has gotten that job if Kawhi has been injured and backed up Kawhi guarding Durant. It's a way for him to continue to get better. It's a good way to test Garino too, who was also in black and defense is his calling card.

For the bench is a way to test their small ball lineups with the absolute best small ball 4 Pop has. If they don't survive as they are there in that lineup Kawhi, Pop is not going to dump that on Anderson or Bertans either. Definitely a test for a small ball bench IMO. Against a twin tower lineup they have to play fast, and the athleticism of Simmons, Leonard and Dedmon had to hope to overwhelm the starting lineup. For the starting lineup is a way to practice defending the small ball team with their twin towers. It's definitely a good practice for their bigs. Glad to see Garino as the starting SG, good for him to showcase his skills.

Even furthermore, it's a way to test Leonard as the focus of an offense with no one outside of him being dominant and against 3 tall defenders (Kyle is not going to guard Kawhi one on one, but he's tall, can challenge shots and get in passing lanes as he showed against Durant in the playoffs, and one has to think it's practice for Pau or LMA have to back him up in the paint.) There is a lot to like in that experiment.

[tonight...you]

He's a 33-year old White American player in 2016:lol

A frontcourt of Aldridge/Gasol/Lee might be the softest trio we'll ever see in the NBA playoffs, tbh..Spurs might have to install a tampon dispenser in the locker room..
Okay: over/under before the first "We were soft," game from Pop in the RS?
Over/under on the first "You gotta bring the nasty!" quote from Pop during a huddle?

Let's go.

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Great to hear!:flag: My only worry is RC sometimes just puts things out there to be positive about a young, new guy (he said, for example, last year that McCallum could run the Spurs offense better than Joseph.

[Chinook]

I don't know if "tough love" is how I would describe it, more like he needed to play minutes and he didn't earn them in the main team. Now, "coddled" to me is still giving him minutes in the main team when he didn't earn them, not actually sending him literally to the bottom of the barrel.

Simmons just came from the d-league. And he had just come into legit money after struggling (?) to make ends meet for his kids. I doubt Simmons was upset by being told he was going to get paid to go back to where he had spent two years and play in a place he was comfortable. Again, I've never said he was some asshole with no life perspective. His mental weakness is all the more shocking when it's compared to what he's had to do to make it this far. Anyway, the bottom of the barrel is a poor description for the d-league when discussing fringe players. Green in his first year probably had nothing against going to Austin. Green now would upset. Big difference.


You don't have to buy it, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. As far as professional NBA players go, the distance from the D-League to being a starter getting consistent minutes in a rotation is basically the distance from the bottom to the top. He was sent to the bottom repeatedly, the next step was getting cut.

This isn't remotely true. Being the 13th man and on the bench is not particularly good for a young player. Being in Austin is much better for development. That's why Boban went. It had nothing to do with the Spurs thinking they'd need to cut him. I think you're letting the McCallum experience incorrectly inform your reasoning. Murray will see plenty of time in Austin, and the Spurs will likely not be thinking anything but good things about him.


I do certainly think this season is make or break for Simms, and even more so than Kyle. The Spurs, however, are in a conundrum in how the roster has been built so far. There really isn't a natural SG replacement on the team. They don't appear to have enough money to add one (outside another KMart-style picking). Garino is probably the closest they have, but can only give you the defense, and I think the bench will need more scoring. So tough situation all around.

I've said repeatedly that I don't think Simmons is a Spur next year. It just doesn't make economic sense unless the team is over the cap (or if Simmons takes a huge leap forward and becomes worth the opportunity cost). So in that regard, I totally agree it's a make-or-break year. But I don't think it's an unusual or even a bad situation to be in. Unless you're Tony Parker, everyone has contract years.

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[SAGirl]

Great to hear!:flag: My only worry is RC sometimes just puts things out there to be positive about a young, new guy (he said, for example, last year that McCallum could run the Spurs offense better than Joseph.
Oh you are right.
Thanks for bringing me back down to earth BillMc!!!

[tonight...you]

Unless you're Tony Parker, everyone has contract years.
I admit: I laughed. I laughed hard. Props.

[Chinook]

My guess, they were testing different backup SF candidates that could start if Leonard is injured on the one hand. Kyle has gotten that job if Kawhi has been injured and backed up Kawhi guarding Durant. It's a way for him to continue to get better. It's a good way to test Garino, who was also in black and defense is his calling card.

For the bench is a way to test their small ball lineups with the absolute best small ball 4 Pop has. If they don't survive as they are there in that lineup Kawhi, Pop is not going to dump that on Anderson or Bertans either. Definitely a test for a small ball bench IMO. Against a twin tower lineup they have to play fast, and the athleticism of Simmons, Leonard and Dedmon had to hope to overwhelm the starting lineup. For the starting lineup is a way to practice defending the small ball team with their twin towers. It's definitely a good practice for their bigs. Glad to see Danny was apparently practicing, or maybe he wasn't and Garino was the starting SG.

Even furthermore, it's a way to test Leonard as the focus of an offense with no one outside of him being dominant and against 3 tall defenders (Kyle is not going to guard Kawhi one on one, but he's tall, can challenge shots and get in passing lanes as he showed against Durant in the playoffs, and one has to think it's practice for Pau or LMA have to back him up in the paint. There is a lot to like in that experiment.

A) I guess Danny is practicing again? B) Remember that the opposite SF would be guarding Kawhi in practice, so either they started someone like Garino to see how he would do or the let both halves of LnL go at it. I don't know how many folks remember the last Silver & Black game, but the first few minutes were just Danny and Kawhi one-upping each other. Best offensive stretch I've ever seen Danny have (taking step-backs over Kawhi, driving and finishing at the rim). It was really cool to watch.

[Chinook]

I admit: I laughed. I laughed hard. Props.

Indeed. It's actually crazy that Parker has likely set a record in the common era for the longest a player has gone without ever reaching free agency. His contract will take him through 17 seasons, and he's actually eligible to reup in June. I have some beef when it comes to Tony's salary and all that, but it would be awesome to see someone make it 20 years without ever having a deal expire.

[SAGirl]

Notable: Popovich said Danny Green will return to practice this week after missing the first two days of camp with a bruised left thigh.

[SAGirl]

A) I guess Danny is practicing again? B) Remember that the opposite SF would be guarding Kawhi in practice, so either they started someone like Garino to see how he would do or the let both halves of LnL go at it. I don't know how many folks remember the last Silver & Black game, but the first few minutes were just Danny and Kawhi one-upping each other. Best offensive stretch I've ever seen Danny have (taking step-backs over Kawhi, driving and finishing at the rim). It was really cool to watch.
I figured later that Danny is returning to practice soon, but he apparently didn't today from that tweeted article I shared. It was a sort of footnote at the end. I am guessing Garino took Danny's spot. Good practice for Kyle I am guessing in that case with Kawhi.

[BillMc]

Oh you are right.
Thanks for bringing me back down to earth BillMc!!!

Not trying to be the party pooper. It's definitely a good sign.

[cutewizard]

Nice to see Timmy in there....

its a pipe dream but i want Duncan back at some point, perhaps he feels better around the rodeo rt time?

hmmmmm

[cutewizard]

my new favorite Spur, aside from "Jon Snow" Kawhi Leonard and Lamarcus, is Pau Gasol

this is definitely the best frontline in the NBA in my opinion......

[YGWHI]

It's funny because what I remember of last Open Scrimmage Game was Kawhi being so dominant in the post against Danny and then Kyle...

These Danny Green's player fans.... :D They have a weird view of almost everything.

[SAGirl]

Indeed. It's actually crazy that Parker has likely set a record in the common era for the longest a player has gone without ever reaching free agency. His contract will take him through 17 seasons, and he's actually eligible to reup in June. I have some beef when it comes to Tony's salary and all that, but it would be awesome to see someone make it 20 years without ever having a deal expire.

About the contract years thing: even Kyle is on one. He's playing to get his contract option picked up for 17-18 (his 4th season) by the end of October. I have no doubt it will get picked up but it's not like he could have leisurely showed up out of shape the way Lee did last season in Boston, refused to go to summer league on his 3rd season (he could have by CBA rights, but to what effect when he wants to get his option picked up?) and he had to show progress in shooting or whatever it was Pop wanted. With the arrival of Bertans, and J.Simms possible improvement, it's not like he has arrived by any stretch of the imagination. Even Lee wants to kick his butt. It's actually good to have that kind of pressure. Some guys only get up if they have that kind of pressure, not saying Kyle is one, I think he's innately competitive, but there are the Diaw's of the world for example.

[YGWHI]

My guess, they were testing different backup SF candidates that could start if Leonard is injured. Kyle has gotten that job if Kawhi has been injured and backed up Kawhi guarding Durant. It's a way for him to continue to get better. It's a good way to test Garino too, who was also in black and defense is his calling card.

Also, it's a way to play more Parker with Pau and LMA without Kawhi's offensive presence/interference, it's vital to Spurs' success that those pick and rolls with Pau begin to flow...

[SAGirl]

It's funny because what I remember of last Open Scrimmage Game was Kawhi being so dominant in the post against Danny and then Kyle...

These Danny Green's player fans.... :D They have a weird view of almost everything.
I didn't see the prior scrimmage so I stear clear from that. I think the test was more for the small ball bench TBH. If they don't survive with Kawhi there as a small ball 4, Pop has to think it won't work with Bertans or Kyle. It was a test for their bigs to guard a small ball team that is athletic too. It's always a good learning experience for Kyle to defend elite talent as Kawhi is. He's definitely a still improving player. He's got to be able to do his thing against good defenders too.

[SAGirl]

Also, it's a way to play more Parker with Pau and LMA without Kawhi's offensive presence/interference, it's vital to Spurs' success that those pick and rolls with Pau begin to flow...
I guess on offense it's definitely possible. If Kyle ends up with an open 3 has to take it, as Garino. All around I think the coaches learned a lot from that (Kyle and Garino shooting and defense as well).

[Chinook]

I didn't see the prior scrimmage so I stear clear from that. I think the test was more for the small ball bench TBH. If they don't survive with Kawhi there as a small ball 4, Pop has to think it won't work with Bertans or Kyle. It was a test for their bigs to guard a small ball team that is athletic too. It's always a good learning experience for Kyle to defend elite talent as Kawhi is. He's definitely a still improving player. He's got to be able to do his thing against good defenders too.

I do wonder if there's a place to see it. As I said, it was really fun. Y's a crazy homer who doesn't understand that "going at each other" means both players did well but that Green played above his head while Kawhi has actually had better games since then. "Kawhi dominated in the post" isn't a headline. "Green taking step-backs over the future DPOY" is.

[tonight...you]

I do wonder if there's a place to see it. As I said, it was really fun. Y's a crazy homer who doesn't understand that "going at each other" means both players did well but that Green played above his head while Kawhi has actually had better games since then. "Kawhi dominated in the post" isn't a headline. "Green taking step-backs over the future DPOY" is.
I'm certainly curious now... If anyone is able to find a link, I'd love to see it.

[cutewizard]

People do realize that the Gasol signing was so huge, the timing was perfect. If Duncan retired and Spurs signed nobody to fill that void, the Spurs could be looking at struggling to make the 8th spot in the West with the team currently constructed. Gasol isn't replacing Tim, you can't, he is just filling the void.

Spurs have potential to be either the #1 seed or the #3rd now.

Pau is gonna have a great season, he seems motivated.

-------------------------------------

agree with you

[SAGirl]

I do wonder if there's a place to see it. As I said, it was really fun. Y's a crazy homer who doesn't understand that "going at each other" means both players did well but that Green played above his head while Kawhi has actually had better games since then. "Kawhi dominated in the post" isn't a headline. "Green taking step-backs over the future DPOY" is.
I repect Y a lot. Not that different from me and my crazy fandom with Kyle except I am more crazy bc Kawhi is a genuine star. Y is also not a troll and Kawhi gets too much shit here for being one of the best players in the league.

If you do find a way to see it, I'd watch it, but I probably have to guard my heart to see Kyle's early suckage. :lol He has improved a lot.

[YGWHI]

I guess another alternative would be to bring up Murray or Lapro to play backup PG and let manu play backup SG... perhaps that's some of the thinking in loading up with backup PGs. But Manu won't play many minutes.

Because Patty will play SF in that scenario?

Mills probably provides more points and play more minutes this new season, there are a lot of new guys in adaptation process + Parker/Manu aging.

[tonight...you]

Because Patty will play SF in that scenario?

Mills probably provides more points and play more minutes this new season, there are a lot of new guys in adaptation process + Parker/Manu aging.
I am hoping Patty and his new-found physique brings him much success for this team this year. They're going to need it.

[YGWHI]

I'm certainly curious now... If anyone is able to find a link, I'd love to see it.

There is a link but it was more about fans and some excitation for the new guys

http://www.nba.com/spurs/open-scrimmage-recap/

[tonight...you]

There is a link but it was more about fans and some excitation for the new guys

http://www.nba.com/spurs/open-scrimmage-recap/
Thanks and duly noted.

[YGWHI]

I repect Y a lot. Not that different from me and my crazy fandom with Kyle except I am more crazy bc Kawhi is a genuine star. Y is also not a troll and Kawhi gets too much shit here for being one of the best players in the league.

If you do find a way to see it, I'd watch it, but I probably have to guard my heart to see Kyle's early suckage. :lol He has improved a lot.

Or Chinnok for Danny.

Or many others for Parker...

It's fine AND fun.

Because we're FANS. Not objetive people or journalists, we're Spurs fans with different favorite players. That's all.

[SAGirl]

Or Chinnok for Danny.

Or many others for Parker...

It's fine AND fun.

Because we're FANS. Not objetive people or journalists, we're Spurs fans with different favorite players. That's all.
:claw Love my spurs. This is exactly the spirit!!!

[tonight...you]

Or Chinnok for Danny.

Or many others for Parker...

It's fine AND fun.

Because we're FANS. Not objetive people or journalists, we're Spurs fans with different favorite players. That's all.
Yeah, that vid was tough to glean much from that, but much appreciated anyway.

[ElNono]

Simmons just came from the d-league. And he had just come into legit money after struggling (?) to make ends meet for his kids. I doubt Simmons was upset by being told he was going to get paid to go back to where he had spent two years and play in a place he was comfortable. Again, I've never said he was some asshole with no life perspective. His mental weakness is all the more shocking when it's compared to what he's had to do to make it this far. Anyway, the bottom of the barrel is a poor description for the d-league when discussing fringe players. Green in his first year probably had nothing against going to Austin. Green now would upset. Big difference.

How is it mentally weak to stick to what you like and try to make it despite the odds or the struggles? If anything, that's exactly the opposite of weak. And completely disagree that bottom of the barrel is a poor description. It's simply a realistic description, that fits perfectly well with the fact that fringe players are closer to the bottom than the top of a professional's career. Danny actually did get cut and has commented how he had to change his attitude to get another shot and eventually make it to the top. I don't think Simms is that far from that same reality (I mean the cut part), and I certainly think that's pretty far away from "coddling".


This isn't remotely true. Being the 13th man and on the bench is not particularly good for a young player. Being in Austin is much better for development. That's why Boban went. It had nothing to do with the Spurs thinking they'd need to cut him. I think you're letting the McCallum experience incorrectly inform your reasoning. Murray will see plenty of time in Austin, and the Spurs will likely not be thinking anything but good things about him.

I admit sometimes it might be from a development perspective on very young talent, but from a professional perspective, no way. There are certain exceptions (to an extent), like Boban (and De Colo, etc) where they went there for very short stints to just get some reps and were called back up right away. But even in those cases, we're talking about guys that were simply not good enough to break into even the backup rotation (for whatever reason you want to assign to it, and they had their chances). Now it is true that the Spurs are very particular about that whole situation, and are far from being representative of the league as a whole. Generally speaking though, there's really no mystery about whether a player would rather be the 13th man on an NBA roster or a frequent D-League player. That doesn't mean I disagree with your Murray assessment, but let's also agree that the Spurs operate in a very particular way, and Murray would much rather be on the main team (despite of what might be perceived as best for him).


I've said repeatedly that I don't think Simmons is a Spur next year. It just doesn't make economic sense unless the team is over the cap (or if Simmons takes a huge leap forward and becomes worth the opportunity cost). So in that regard, I totally agree it's a make-or-break year. But I don't think it's an unusual or even a bad situation to be in. Unless you're Tony Parker, everyone has contract years.

I'm rooting for him because we need penetrators, and he's that kind of guy, but he's too flawed in other areas, and I've not seen improvement during SL, as I commented. Team wise, I think that's what we're really lacking, and none of Patty, Garino, Lapro will help you fix that, and Manu and Tony are just too old to bring that on the regular anymore.

EDIT: sorry if I was too verbose... wouldn't want tonight...you upset, tbh :lol

[tonight...you]

How is it mentally weak to stick to what you like and try to make it despite the odds or the struggles? If anything, that's exactly the opposite of weak. And completely disagree that bottom of the barrel is a poor description. It's simply a realistic description, that fits perfectly well with the fact that fringe players are closer to the bottom than the top of a professional's career. Danny actually did get cut and has commented how he had to change his attitude to get another shot and eventually make it to the top. I don't think Simms is that far from that same reality (I mean the cut part), and I certainly think that's pretty far away from "coddling".



I admit sometimes it might be from a development perspective on very young talent, but from a professional perspective, no way. There are certain exceptions (to an extent), like Boban (and De Colo, etc) where they went there for very short stints to just get some reps and were called back up right away. But even in those cases, we're talking about guys that were simply not good enough to break into even the backup rotation (for whatever reason you want to assign to it, and they had their chances). Now it is true that the Spurs are very particular about that whole situation, and are far from being representative of the league as a whole. Generally speaking though, there's really no mystery about whether a player would rather be the 13th man on an NBA roster or a frequent D-League player. That doesn't mean I disagree with your Murray assessment, but let's also agree that the Spurs operate in a very particular way, and Murray would much rather be on the main team (despite of what might be perceived as best for him).



I'm rooting for him because we need penetrators, and he's that kind of guy, but he's too flawed in other areas, and I've not seen improvement during SL, as I commented. Team wise, I think that's what we're really lacking, and none of Patty, Garino, Lapro will help you fix that, and Manu and Tony are just too old to bring that on the regular anymore.

EDIT: sorry if I was too verbose... wouldn't want tonight...you (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31666) upset, tbh :lol
I'm not going to count the verbiage, right now, but you were entirely too verbose, young man! Time to learn the word "concise", class...

[ElNono]

Because Patty will play SF in that scenario?

Mills probably provides more points and play more minutes this new season, there are a lot of new guys in adaptation process + Parker/Manu aging.

As I mentioned in my previous post, the Spurs are lacking penetrators. It's not that I hate Patty, I actually love him, but he's strictly pretty much a shooter.

[tonight...you]

As I mentioned in my previous post, the Spurs are lacking penetrators. It's not that I hate Patty, I actually love him, but he's strictly pretty much a shooter.
My question is: why hasn't the developmental team been on Patty for movement off-ball and having him working on penetration and decision-making from it?
Either they've been doing it and he's incapable, or there's a gap in development amongst the entirety of the assets on the court.

If he's incapable... he's not worth a contract of significance from this team, moving forward.

[ElNono]

My question is: why hasn't the developmental team been on Patty for movement off-ball and having him working on penetration and decision-making from it?
Either they've been doing it and he's incapable, or there's a gap in development amongst the entirety of the assets on the court.

If he's incapable... he's not worth a contract of significance from this team, moving forward.

I don't think he's capable, tbh, but considering the cap and everything else, he's on a very reasonable deal, for a guy that not that long ago was shooting lights out.

But, as Chinook said, everybody has contract years, and this is Patty's year to show his worth.

[dabom]

My question is: why hasn't the developmental team been on Patty for movement off-ball and having him working on penetration and decision-making from it?
Either they've been doing it and he's incapable, or there's a gap in development amongst the entirety of the assets on the court.

If he's incapable... he's not worth a contract of significance from this team, moving forward.

You're wrong. He shoots anything at a high clip in the playoffs. Known commodity. You never get rid of that.

[YGWHI]

As I mentioned in my previous post, the Spurs are lacking penetrators. It's not that I hate Patty, I actually love him, but he's strictly pretty much a shooter.

Simms has the natural athleticism but he's a big question mark.

Murray won't get minutes over Patty.

Laprovittola doesn't seem able to penetrate against NBA defenders

You're right, the Spurs are lacking penetrators.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Nobody is being coddled, imo.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1961495/20130608_rvr_ah6_165.0.jpg

"Hello"

[BillMc]

Did Bonner get a camp invite anywhere else? Is the Red Mamba headed to Red China? Or is he retiring?

[spurs10]

Did Bonner get a camp invite anywhere else? Is the Red Mamba headed to Red China? Or is he retiring? Man I haven't heard a word on him. Thinking he might not be playing this year.

[ElNono]

Did Bonner get a camp invite anywhere else? Is the Red Mamba headed to Red China? Or is he retiring?

did somebody check on him?

[tbdog]

did somebody check on him?

http://www.concordmonitor.com/For-Bonner-the-long-and-winding-road-has-no-dead-end--yet-4787765

[SAGirl]

Did Bonner get a camp invite anywhere else? Is the Red Mamba headed to Red China? Or is he retiring?
In my tweet feeds I have seen he's working out and was hoping for a camp invite from anyone. His agent has been calling but "chirp" crickets. He still doesn't want to retire.

[SAGirl]

I'm rooting for him because we need penetrators, and he's that kind of guy, but he's too flawed in other areas, and I've not seen improvement during SL, as I commented. Team wise, I think that's what we're really lacking, and none of Patty, Garino, Lapro will help you fix that, and Manu and Tony are just too old to bring that on the regular anymore.

EDIT: sorry if I was too verbose... wouldn't want tonight...you (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31666) upset, tbh :lol

I completely skipped the mental aspect of your post bc do think he's been coddled or sheltered or whatever you want to call it, but I will just agree to disagree. I think Chinook has made a good point and he's right on some things.

For the rest, good post. I am rooting for him for the same reason. Like Pop said I definitely think that the team is better if he pulls through than if he doesn't. I like Murray too for the same reason and I think Murray can be even better. He simply does things Simms doesn't. He rebounds at a high rate for a guard and forces a lot of TO with his length. He reminds me of the havok Russ Westbrook is capable of causing. But Dijon is inefficient and has to fix his shot realistically among other things, so I don't know. It's too early and I only have RC opinions pulling for his picks to go by so I am giving him time. (Way to go embellishing guys, RC!! Lol)

J.Simms ideal spot is Manu Ginobili's. That's the bottom line. He doesn't really space the floor for others bc he turns down too many perimeter shots and his slashing is the skill Manu used to bring. He shot well on limited attempts but he's not going to be Gary Nealesque or Belinelliesque. That's not his game. He doesn't even play off the ball like Marco does. He's good timing cuts and finishing lobs off post players bc they help off him so often and he's very athletic, but I guess that's not how the bench is playing anymore (off post players). He's a question mark as far as I am concerned mostly bc he hasn't shown to be solid yet, but I am hopeful. In PATFO we are trust I guess.

How Pop mixes them all is a question mark too but coach is vouching for him so he will get a lot of chances. I don't know what to think. I think he will not be that different from last season the problem is that he was so up and down. If he could really limit his mistakes that is really all he needs to be mire solid. Defensively they need him to be better too. He has to take the most athletic bench guys and not leave those to Manu for example. Realistically, Manu has to spot up more and play off others more this season if you want to see Simms (or others) getting into the paint.

[ceperez]

I completely skipped the mental aspect of your post bc do think he's been coddled or sheltered or whatever you want to call it, but I will just agree to disagree. I think Chinook has made a good point and he's right on some things.

For the rest, good post. I am rooting for him for the same reason. Like Pop said I definitely think that the team is better if he pulls through than if he doesn't. I like Murray too for the same reason and I think Murray can be even better. He simply does things Simms doesn't. He rebounds at a high rate for a guard and forces a lot of TO with his length. He reminds me of the havok Russ Westbrook is capable of causing. But Dijon is inefficient and has to fix his shot realistically among other things, so I don't know. It's too early and I only have RC opinions pulling for his picks to go by so I am giving him time. (Way to go embellishing guys, RC!! Lol)

J.Simms ideal spot is Manu Ginobili's. That's the bottom line. He doesn't really space the floor for others bc he turns down too many perimeter shots and his slashing is the skill Manu used to bring. He shot well on limited attempts but he's not going to be Gary Nealesque or Belinelliesque. That's not his game. He doesn't even play off the ball like Marco does. He's good timing cuts and finishing lobs off post players bc they help off him so often and he's very athletic, but I guess that's not how the bench is playing anymore (off post players). He's a question mark as far as I am concerned mostly bc he hasn't shown to be solid yet, but I am hopeful. In PATFO we are trust I guess.

How Pop mixes them all is a question mark too but coach is vouching for him so he will get a lot of chances. I don't know what to think. I think he will not be that different from last season the problem is that he was so up and down. If he could really limit his mistakes that is really all he needs to be mire solid. Defensively they need him to be better too. He has to take the most athletic bench guys and not leave those to Manu for example. Realistically, Manu has to spot up more and play off others more this season if you want to see Simms (or others) getting into the paint.

I agree here that Muray is at this time an inefficient player in offense. He's got talent, but I doubt the lightbulb will instantly switch on for him this season.

Furthermore, we have guys like Anderson, Simmons and Bertans that are all itching to prove they deserver more playing time. A very crowded situation.

[bklynspursfan]

Popovich said the early returns have been positive for Lee, who dropped 15 pounds from last season’s playing weight.

“Just in these three practices, he’s been doing what we have seen him do (before),” Popovich said. “He’s a grown man. He understands how to play. He will be somebody who is important to our rotation, for sure.”

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/For-Spurs-big-man-rotation-some-assembly-9392932.php?t=8d21e14bdf927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium

[Chinook]

So with the Spurs waiving Richards, I wonder if they'll bring in someone else? I'm pretty sure he counts toward the Austin allotments, but without even seeing him in a game, I'm not sure the team would even want to use a spot for him.

[Chinook]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/For-Spurs-big-man-rotation-some-assembly-9392932.php?t=8d21e14bdf927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium

If he can get his jump shot back, then he can totally be a factor off the bench. Hopefully the weight loss will help him defensively.

[bklynspursfan]

If he can get his jump shot back, then he can totally be a factor off the bench. Hopefully the weight loss will help him defensively.

Agreed... With Chip there, maybe he can help him get it back.

[SAGirl]

My question is: why hasn't the developmental team been on Patty for movement off-ball and having him working on penetration and decision-making from it?
Either they've been doing it and he's incapable, or there's a gap in development amongst the entirety of the assets on the court.

If he's incapable... he's not worth a contract of significance from this team, moving forward.

I think they had him work on his own PG skills but he's what? 28? This is what he is and as good as he's going to get. He's better suited to being a combo guard, a second guard, a shooting guard, however we want to call it, but not the main guard. He's a better gunner than he is a real PG.

He was great with Manu while Manu was capable of being the main guard, but as Manu has started to play off the ball more, Pop started putting the ball in Patty's hands with mixed results. I think this season Pop will incorporate Kyle and J.Simms more bc they need them, and they can all help each other. Kyle has a lot more upside at this point as a playmaker and I expect him to keep getting better, but it's probably a team effort for now.


I don't think he's capable, tbh, but considering the cap and everything else, he's on a very reasonable deal, for a guy that not that long ago was shooting lights out.

But, as Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) said, everybody has contract years, and this is Patty's year to show his worth.

Agreed, but I think we all know what his strengths are by this point and they are unlikely to change as he's 28.

[SAGirl]

So with the Spurs waiving Richards, I wonder if they'll bring in someone else? I'm pretty sure he counts toward the Austin allotments, but without even seeing him in a game, I'm not sure the team would even want to use a spot for him.
He had to be pretty terrible to be waived this early. Wow!

[Brazil]

Specifically said the opposite:





Actually said when he was a Toro:





Yeah, that ignores the sucking before the praise part. Pop likes all of his players. They wouldn't be Spurs if he didn't. That doesn't mean he's constantly effusive about every deep-bench player.



Couldn't care less, honestly.



Do you mean Anderson or Green or Tony in this case?



Oh, so you mean Kyle. Well anyway, that's plausible, but it's not probable. If that were the case, the Spurs would've drafted someone else or signed someone else to be ahead of him. You know, how you thought they were doing with Martin. But as we all know, that didn't work out. With Simmons they clearly did bring in other guys who look to either be in the rotation ahead of him or compete strongly with him for time.


So basically you have nothing substantial to back up your take about Simmons being babied. You should have added some imo or some I think or I have the feeling instead of affirmative sentences that makes sense only for you

Then not sure why you bring Martin, the fact that Simmons is a bust or not has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion

From there, let us proceed

[Brazil]

1-I didn't know the point of this thread was about me learning I post too much. Pretty sure I heard plenty of that when I started posting four years ago.
2-Do you mean Culbby?

1- that was not the point of his post either, you should read more carefully.
2- yes thus the /Thread, kinda private joke with Tonite

[Brazil]

In what way? Simms got bounced back to the D-League, we just learned he was basically told in the off season to clean up his game (or else). That's far from coddled and a lot closer to the Green treatment.

:lol welcome to the club

[Chinook]

So basically you have nothing substantial to back up your take about Simmons being babied. You should have added some imo or some I think or I have the feeling instead of affirmative sentences that makes sense only for you

Then not sure why you bring Martin, the fact that Simmons is a bust or not has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion

From there, let us proceed

I brought up my reasoning, which was supported by actual events. That doesn't make it ironclad. and it doesn't make it real. But almost everything we post here is of that nature. I shouldn't have to say this is just my opinion, and it's actually an extremely shitty tactic to selectively whip that counter argument out. I think it's been since that awful Jimmer thread that someone tried using the "You don't know that for sure" retort. It was a nice respite.

I brought up Martin because he shits all over your example. It's clear that the Spurs didn't look to upgrade from Anderson, and it's clear that even when they brought in another player that Anderson's rotation spot wasn't under threat. There's a big difference between tossing one easily parried example and citing a long history of actions to support my point.

Nono brought back a substantive argument -- one I feel is based on a misinterpretation of d-league assignments, but a substantive argument nonetheless. That was a lot better than trying to act like Pop wants to upgrade from Anderson but can't.

[tonight...you]

1- that was not the point of his post either, you should read more carefully.
2- yes thus the /Thread, kinda private joke with Tonite
I kinda brushed up with Thread again last night. I think he had an aneurysm and now he can only type one sentence over and over.
Selling your shit, selling your shit, selling your shit...

[rastaspur]

Ryan richards has already been cut. :lol. Forcing his way into training camp really worked out for this mouth breather

[Brazil]

I brought up my reasoning, which was supported by actual events. That doesn't make it ironclad. and it doesn't make it real. But almost everything we post here is of that nature. I shouldn't have to say this is just my opinion, and it's actually an extremely shitty tactic to selectively whip that counter argument out. I think it's been since that awful Jimmer thread that someone tried using the "You don't know that for sure" retort. It was a nice respite.

You indeed are interpreting events that you believe indicative of in function of your own bias or agendas... now not almost everything we post is of that nature, I'm sorry. When for one post an opinion I say it is an opinion.


I brought up Martin because he shits all over your example. It's clear that the Spurs didn't look to upgrade from Anderson, and it's clear that even when they brought in another player that Anderson's rotation spot wasn't under threat. There's a big difference between tossing one easily parried example and citing a long history of actions to support my point.

I used an example just to show that your reasoning is as circunstancial as the one that would say Pop thinks Anderson sucks and does not know what to do with him (this is obviously not what I think). Therefore and again Martin has nothing to with this discussion. And I never said Simmons was brought to put Anderson under threat not sure where that come from... smh My only point is: this is dumb to say Simmons is coddled and your fertile imagination creating causality on a long list of events is not convincing anyone except SAGirl.


Nono brought back a substantive argument -- one I feel is based on a misinterpretation of d-league assignments, but a substantive argument nonetheless. That was a lot better than trying to act like Pop wants to upgrade from Anderson but can't.

Oh yeah the same argument I used 5 pages ago ? so when it is nono is a substantive argument when it is me or tonite it is not ? Finally you are full of crap with your accusation of me wanting Simmons to be a threat or me trying to act like Pop wants an upgrade but can't... this was an example to show you how imo absurd was your reasoning. If you took the time to read what people respond to you instead of jumping of their throat you would have figured it, you must be too busy thinking how smart your own opinion is than actually read.

[gambit1990]

http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/52/30/57/11111398/3/920x1240.jpg

seeing that picture is so weird... glad he joined the staff so quickly. if the players get a ring, so will he.

i wonder how he'll feel after his body gets a year of rest.

[Ice009]

I don't think he's capable, tbh, but considering the cap and everything else, he's on a very reasonable deal, for a guy that not that long ago was shooting lights out.

But, as Chinook said, everybody has contract years, and this is Patty's year to show his worth.

I've seen him get to the rim and finish when playing with Australia, so I don't get why he can't do it some in the NBA. I always thought it was his handles stopping him from being able to do it, but when playing with Australia they don't look that bad.

[SAGirl]

Ryan richards has already been cut. :lol. Forcing his way into training camp really worked out for this mouth breather
Never really knew him TBH. lol

[bklynspursfan]

I've seen him get to the rim and finish when playing with Australia, so I don't get why he can't do it some in the NBA. I always thought it was his handles stopping him from being able to do it, but when playing with Australia they don't look that bad.

I was thinking the same thing. I think he's fully capable of doing more with the ball, and think he probably will this year.

[BillMc]

Ryan richards has already been cut. :lol. Forcing his way into training camp really worked out for this mouth breather
:lol

Just leaves a spot open for Bonner, tbh. Can't wait to see this site if it happens...:lol

[SAGirl]

:lol

Just leaves a spot open for Bonner, tbh. Can't wait to see this site if it happens...:lol
Garino fans will curse Pop for sure.

[ElNono]

I've seen him get to the rim and finish when playing with Australia, so I don't get why he can't do it some in the NBA. I always thought it was his handles stopping him from being able to do it, but when playing with Australia they don't look that bad.

Theres a number of reasons for that, IMO. Competition is one, not the same to attack the basket against unathletic bigs vs, say, DeAndre. Then, he has very solid bigs that are very good setting screens and opening lanes (Bogut especially, Baynes not bad either), but ultimately the biggest difference is that he's clearly a focal point there, so plays are largely designed for
him, and he probably doesn't need to contribute as much on defense since he's one of the primary options on offense on that team.

But the NBA is different in a lot of those aspects for Patty, including his role, competition, etc. Not gonna dog on him for having a down year shooting (same with Danny), but that's really his forte in the NBA and likely where he's more effective.

[rjv]

i tune in to see if i can get any behind the scenes info and instead i read a five page hermeuntical dissertation on the connotation of coddling. ST never changes.

[Chinook]

You indeed are interpreting events that you believe indicative of in function of your own bias or agendas... now not almost everything we post is of that nature, I'm sorry. When for one post an opinion I say it is an opinion.

Yes, almost everything we post is our opinion. I don't know if you think you just spout fact, but you don't. There's nothing wrong with having opinions, but it is odd that you don't know it.


I used an example just to show that your reasoning is as circunstancial as the one that would say Pop thinks Anderson sucks and does not know what to do with him (this is obviously not what I think). [/QUOTE]

And I showed how that was a poor example, since they clearly keep playing him over other players.

[QUOTE]Therefore and again Martin has nothing to with this discussion.

That's your opinion, apparently.


And I never said Simmons was brought to put Anderson under threat not sure where that come from... smh

No one said you said that. You did say that Martin put Anderson's rotation spot under threat. Many times. Very incorrectly. But it was just your opinion at the time, so that's fine. I guess you thought it was a fact though?


My only point is: this is dumb to say Simmons is coddled and your fertile imagination creating causality on a long list of events is not convincing anyone except SAGirl.

Who cares? We've had this exact same conversation before. This is one of those things where you and I agreeing is irrelevant, because we don't affect the outcome. So you're not convinced? I don't give a shit. I believe he is, and you shouldn't give a shit about that. What will happen with happen either way.


Oh yeah the same argument I used 5 pages ago ? so when it is nono is a substantive argument when it is me or tonite it is not ?

No, the d-league send-downs is a shitty argument by itself. You may as well have used Simmons not starting as an example. But at least Nono backed it up and explained why he thought that. But especially for the Spurs, there's no evidence that sending a player to Austin is supposed to be or usually seen as a negative or controversial thing.


Finally you are full of crap with your accusation of me wanting Simmons to be a threat or me trying to act like Pop wants an upgrade but can't... this was an example to show you how imo absurd was your reasoning.

Nah, that's an example of you having an opinion but not knowing it for some reason. It's even worse because you've missed almost all of what I said. This isn't Simmons vs Anderson. Simmons isn't in the conversation with Anderson. Kyle's going to be here at least another year. Simmons has to fight for meaningful minutes. When you mess up something so badly, it's hard to think you have a thread at all. As of right now, all you've had to counter what I said is "d-league send-downs = being hard on him".


If you took the time to read what people respond to you instead of jumping of their throat you would have figured it, you must be too busy thinking how smart your own opinion is than actually read.

At least I know what the hell an opinion is. You aren't saying anything complicated, or hard. You are really just disagreeing with Simmons being coddled and then providing no counterpoint. I gave you about seven pieces of evidence. You can argue them (though saying "that's just your opinion isn't really a way to do it") but don't act like they don't exist, especially because they go beyond just last season.

[dabom]

Theres a number of reasons for that, IMO. Competition is one, not the same to attack the basket against unathletic bigs vs, say, DeAndre. Then, he has very solid bigs that are very good setting screens and opening lanes (Bogut especially, Baynes not bad either), but ultimately the biggest difference is that he's clearly a focal point there, so plays are largely designed for
him, and he probably doesn't need to contribute as much on defense since he's one of the primary options on offense on that team.

But the NBA is different in a lot of those aspects for Patty, including his role, competition, etc. Not gonna dog on him for having a down year shooting (same with Danny), but that's really his forte in the NBA and likely where he's more effective.

58TS% in the playoffs. That is his 2014 numbers. :lmao

[dabom]

I don't wanna own you on this false premise ElNono. :lol

[bklynspursfan]

Manu on how long he wants to continue playing (Many assume this is his last year, but that may not be true)

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[bklynspursfan]

Some guests in the house *Not mentioned in the tweet, Vinny Del Negro is also there

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LMA on having Monty around again (Monty was an assistant under Nate McMillan with the Blazers for several of LMA's years there)

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Pau practice

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DG getting some shots up

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[Brazil]

Yes, almost everything we post is our opinion. I don't know if you think you just spout fact, but you don't. There's nothing wrong with having opinions, but it is odd that you don't know it.[/QUOTE]

Nothing at all especially when you say well yes it is an opinion but you don't. you just throw stuff your arrogance left and right stating over and over your opinions as facts.


And I showed how that was a poor example, since they clearly keep playing him over other players.

No. you answered as if I was speaking literally and this was my opinion about what Pop thinks of Anderson.



That's your opinion, apparently.

No. That's a fact. Martin has nothing to do with this conversation, you brought this dude up into the conversation because you did not read.




No one said you said that. You did say that Martin put Anderson's rotation spot under threat. Many times. Very incorrectly. But it was just your opinion at the time, so that's fine. I guess you thought it was a fact though?

Nope. There was nothing incorrect in what I said. What was incorrect was to think Martin would do serviceable, for that I'm pretty sure I used plenty imo because it was well an opinion.

[QUOTE=Chinook;8735765]Who cares? We've had this exact same conversation before. This is one of those things where you and I agreeing is irrelevant, because we don't affect the outcome. So you're not convinced? I don't give a shit. I believe he is, and you shouldn't give a shit about that. What will happen with happen either way.

Now that's funny you don't give a shit but continues to reply with walls of texts ? :lol that one is cute. Apparently you give a ton of shit of what I think or not.


No, the d-league send-downs is a shitty argument by itself. You may as well have used Simmons not starting as an example. But at least Nono backed it up and explained why he thought that. But especially for the Spurs, there's no evidence that sending a player to Austin is supposed to be or usually seen as a negative or controversial thing.

I also explained why I was thinking that... in particular when I mentionned he was sent there for 24 hours. Sending a dude for 24 hours is pretty much harsh.




Nah, that's an example of you having an opinion but not knowing it for some reason. It's even worse because you've missed almost all of what I said. This isn't Simmons vs Anderson. Simmons isn't in the conversation with Anderson. Kyle's going to be here at least another year. Simmons has to fight for meaningful minutes. When you mess up something so badly, it's hard to think you have a thread at all. As of right now, all you've had to counter what I said is "d-league send-downs = being hard on him".

again you did not read

for the last part, because what you have about him not being benched after a bad play or Pop gave him a deal because he likes coddling Simmons is so much more powerful... give me a break about your precious opinion being backed up by nothing but unrelated events



At least I know what the hell an opinion is. You aren't saying anything complicated, or hard. You are really just disagreeing with Simmons being coddled and then providing no counterpoint. I gave you about seven pieces of evidence. You can argue them (though saying "that's just your opinion isn't really a way to do it") but don't act like they don't exist, especially because they go beyond just last season.

No you don't, you obviously don't. You don't have opinion, you know things.

I provided plenty of counterpoints. You gave list of events unrelated with each other, putting them together, stir it and tada... anderson is being treated harsh and Simmons is being coddled, that's your pieces of evidence ? give me a break...

Pop keeps Simmons on the floor when he makes a bad play because you know Pop prefers losing a game than hurting Simmons feelings. That's your piece of evidence.... dear god

Continue acting like they exist and I will continue acting like they don't. Also don't forget to not give a shit, unlike you I do because I continue answering your nonsense

[tonight...you]

http://66.media.tumblr.com/074903074f259ad42af46e6bf7369dfd/tumblr_netu7aQNS81qdjbb7o1_500.gif

[rastaspur]

Garino fans will curse Pop for sure.

Im not sure if garino is ready for a roster spot this year, but id rather have a project for the 15th spot as opposed to matt bonner.

[TimDunkem]

In before Chinook writes one of his shitty novels in response to Brazil.

[Phenomanul]

seeing that picture is so weird... glad he joined the staff so quickly. if the players get a ring, so will he.

i wonder how he'll feel after his body gets a year of rest.

I remember Russell ringing as a Player/Coach... I wonder if today's league has rules against a coach suiting up for a game here and there.

[Chinook]

In before Chinook writes one of his shitty novels in response to Brazil.

Pretty sure I've written multiple ones already. So you're too late.

[dabom]

Pretty sure I've written multiple ones already. So you're too late.

"Shitty novels". I'm glad you agree. :lol

[bklynspursfan]

Manu & LMA talking about Pau fitting in


https://www.facebook.com/Spurs/videos/10153878013561981/


*Anyone let me know how to embed a FB video?

[Chinook]

Nothing at all especially when you say well yes it is an opinion but you don't. you just throw stuff your arrogance left and right stating over and over your opinions as facts.

That's literally just your opinion of what I'm doing. And that's no "In my opinion". Get off your damned high horse. I don't know about other languages, but in English, it's extremely common to not always lead with that phrase. In fact, the literally teach us in school to stop using that phrase in our English work.

https://preciseedit.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/in-my-opinion-i-think-that-i-believe-this-is-bad-writing/
https://www.englishclub.com/vocabulary/fl-giving-opinions.htm

This isn't a stunt I'm pulling after the fact. It's something most people do and that you'll be called out for not doing depending on the context. I don't want to get into the linguistics of assertions and all that. But by you saying something that is debatable (especially if it has no discernible answer) you are asserting an opinion. You don't have to tell people that. They should already know.


No. you answered as if I was speaking literally and this was my opinion about what Pop thinks of Anderson.


Nah. I don't think you were actually arguing that. I was showing you how it is easy to attack poor arguments. My idea about Simmons is based on many things by this point, not some turn of phrase Pop used once or whatever.


I also explained why I was thinking that... in particular when I mentionned he was sent there for 24 hours. Sending a dude for 24 hours is pretty much harsh.

Then I apologize for not acknowledging that. You have to understand that I just don't agree with send-downs being bad in the first place. You can have your opinion, but I just think there's too much Spurs evidence of that not being harsh.


for the last part, because what you have about him not being benched after a bad play or Pop gave him a deal because he likes coddling Simmons is so much more powerful... give me a break about your precious opinion being backed up by nothing but unrelated events

It is more "powerful" because it's supported by unrelated events. It's not just one thing. It's EVERYTHING about how he and the Spurs organization have interacted.


No you don't, you obviously don't. You don't have opinion, you know things.

I do know what an opinion is.


I provided plenty of counterpoints. You gave list of events unrelated with each other, putting them together, stir it and tada... anderson is being treated harsh and Simmons is being coddled, that's your pieces of evidence ? give me a break...

That's not really a counterpoint, though. I'm not trying to prove anything, so who cares if the evidence is circumstantial? And I never said Anderson was treated really harshly.


Pop keeps Simmons on the floor when he makes a bad play because you know Pop prefers losing a game than hurting Simmons feelings. That's your piece of evidence.... dear god

I don't think he made a habit of having Simmons in the game during make-or-break moments. Anderson either. He usually doesn't take any player out in those situations in order to win. He does it to teach them, either through embarrassment or just actual instruction.


Continue acting like they exist and I will continue acting like they don't. Also don't forget to not give a shit, unlike you I do because I continue answering your nonsense

The "not giving a shit" means not letting it get to you in this case. Like I don't care that you don't agree. I don't think it makes to a dumb poster or a bad fan or whatever. You believe what you want, and I'll do the same, and we'll see what happens. That we disagree isn't a big deal and doesn't have to mean someone's a hater or a shill.

[Brazil]

In before Chinook writes one of his shitty novels in response to Brazil.

:lol

[Brazil]

That's literally just your opinion of what I'm doing. And that's no "In my opinion". Get off your damned high horse. I don't know about other languages, but in English, it's extremely common to not always lead with that phrase. In fact, the literally teach us in school to stop using that phrase in our English work.

https://preciseedit.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/in-my-opinion-i-think-that-i-believe-this-is-bad-writing/
https://www.englishclub.com/vocabulary/fl-giving-opinions.htm

This isn't a stunt I'm pulling after the fact. It's something most people do and that you'll be called out for not doing depending on the context. I don't want to get into the linguistics of assertions and all that. But by you saying something that is debatable (especially if it has no discernible answer) you are asserting an opinion. You don't have to tell people that. They should already know.

maybe you are not aware but it works the same in France or Brazil but thanks for the lessons

you are now in the obtuse business ? You don't always need to say imo or I think but using it once in a while does not hurt especially when said opinion is backed up by anything less than circumstancial pile of stuff.




Nah. I don't think you were actually arguing that. I was showing you how it is easy to attack poor arguments. My idea about Simmons is based on many things by this point, not some turn of phrase Pop used once or whatever.

That's your opinion, mine is that you are using arguments as poor as the ones I used in my example. You did not convince me otherwise at all.



Then I apologize for not acknowledging that. You have to understand that I just don't agree with send-downs being bad in the first place. You can have your opinion, but I just think there's too much Spurs evidence of that not being harsh.

Do tell that a Ian, he did think it was yes harsh to be sent to Austin for 1 or 2 days. At the end who cares if it is the normal Spurs way? Pop is treating journalists like crap, he does that all the time and journalists continue to not like it and find that harsh and rude. I'm pretty sure it's the same for a Spurs player, never fun to go to Austin for 24 hours. Try the "I was wrong" once in a while.




It is more "powerful" because it's supported by unrelated events. It's not just one thing. It's EVERYTHING about how he and the Spurs organization have interacted.

No it is the way you are interpreting unrelated events




I do know what an opinion is.

Except when you consider your opinion as a fact, it happens a lot.



That's not really a counterpoint, though. I'm not trying to prove anything, so who cares if the evidence is circumstantial? And I never said Anderson was treated really harshly.

I bet you don´t care, as for me, I do care if the evidence is circumstancial, that makes your take a vague opinion. On Anderson, you never said he was treated really harshly, you did compare his treatment vs. Simmons treatment and conclude one was being coddled.




I don't think he made a habit of having Simmons in the game during make-or-break moments. Anderson either. He usually doesn't take any player out in those situations in order to win. He does it to teach them, either through embarrassment or just actual instruction.

So I guess he does not want to teach Simmons because he let Simmons play even after a bad play ?



The "not giving a shit" means not letting it get to you in this case. Like I don't care that you don't agree. I don't think it makes to a dumb poster or a bad fan or whatever. You believe what you want, and I'll do the same, and we'll see what happens. That we disagree isn't a big deal and doesn't have to mean someone's a hater or a shill.

Like saying imo or I'm wrong isn't a big deal either.

Nothing will happen tho that will influence the outcome of this discussion.

[BatManu20]

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[objective]

Why even bother with this awful 'coddling' stuff? You guys should know his act by now.

[tonight...you]

Why even bother with this awful 'coddling' stuff? You guys should know his act by now.
Yeah... I let it ride when I saw things going nowhere. Brazil is keeping the flame lit like the People's Champ though.

[SAGirl]

Manu & LMA talking about Pau fitting in


https://www.facebook.com/Spurs/videos/10153878013561981/


*Anyone let me know how to embed a FB video?
I don't think you can, but I am technically challenged. If anyone knows I'd like to learn too.
Thanks for sharing by the way. :tu

[SAGirl]

781638444489383936

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ctj5JSeVIAQdxrH.jpg:large

[TheGreatYacht]

Hope #1 is next

[tonight...you]

Hope #1 is next
Rowsdower.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Hope #1 is next

Edgy!

[ElNono]

58TS% in the playoffs. That is his 2014 numbers. :lmao


I don't wanna own you on this false premise ElNono. :lol

We're talking penetration, not just flat out shooting. His shooting was great against the Clips in 2014, I've given him a pass all season last season for that reason alone.

But, when we're talking penetration, it's really not news that he's not a natural playmaker. Even in Australia, where he is the focal point, he's more of a shooter than anything else (although they do run some penetration plays for him).

[dabom]

We're talking penetration, not just flat out shooting. His shooting was great against the Clips in 2014, I've given him a pass all season last season for that reason alone.

But, when we're talking penetration, it's really not news that he's not a natural playmaker. Even in Australia, where he is the focal point, he's more of a shooter than anything else (although they do run some penetration plays for him).

I was referring to your statement regarding shooting. Hence why I brought up his shooting. Not the penetration. Dude is a natural shooter.

[Uriel]

Is Tim going to take part in these scrimmages now that Ryan has been cut?

[tonight...you]

Is Tim going to take part in these scrimmages now that Ryan has been cut?
Yes.

[TheDoctor]

I don't care if Kyle's head has its own weather system...

LMAOOOOOO

[SAGirl]

Is Tim going to take part in these scrimmages now that Ryan has been cut?
Frankly I wondered the same.

[ElNono]

I was referring to your statement regarding shooting. Hence why I brought up his shooting. Not the penetration. Dude is a natural shooter.

He went from .744 TS% in the 14-15 playoffs to .571 in the 15-16 playoffs... it's not a bad number (although it's the lowest mark in his career for playoffs), but that's why I said "a down year".

He was a flat out killer against the Clips.

[dabom]

He went from .744 TS% in the 14-15 playoffs to .571 in the 15-16 playoffs... it's not a bad number (although it's the lowest mark in his career for playoffs), but that's why I said "a down year".

He was a flat out killer against the Clips.

You edited that. :lol

[dabom]

You dogging him for .57TS is unreal dude. What kind of expectations is this. That's what I'm implying. You're making it seem like 57 is bad in general.

[ElNono]

You edited that. :lol

I edited 2014 with 14-15 and 2015 with 15-16... didn't know if it was clear, tbh...

I don't particularly have a problem with Patty's shooting, but it's clear that's his value in the NBA, much more so than in team Australia.

[ElNono]

You dogging him for .57TS is unreal dude. What kind of expectations is this. That's what I'm implying. You're making it seem like 57 is bad in general.

I'm not dogging him for it at all. I'm just saying, taking Boban out who was an outlier and small sample, he ranked #5 in TS% on the team. It's obviously way better than fathead's .41, but it's quite a drop from the season before.

That's what I was singling out, and I said I wasn't going to dog on him for that. Just like I won't dog on Danny for that. I always root for Patty, tbh, you can ask roberto diaz, IMO.

[dabom]

I'm not dogging him for it at all. I'm just saying, taking Boban out who was an outlier and small sample, he ranked #5 in TS% on the team. It's obviously way better than fathead's .41, but it's quite a drop from the season before.

That's what I was singling out, and I said I wasn't going to dog on him for that. Just like I won't dog on Danny for that. I always root for Patty, tbh, you can ask roberto diaz, IMO.

:lol

Only problem I saw last playoffs. He should have shot more. Dworst fathead and Fatdiaw taking up shots from an elite consistent shooter. And when on fire, is FIRE.

[tonight...you]

:lol

Only problem I saw last playoffs. He should have shot more. Dworst fathead and Fatdiaw taking up shots from an elite consistent shooter. And when on fire, is FIRE.
He definitely should have shot more. That guy needs to eat during the playoffs.

[bklynspursfan]

I don't think you can, but I am technically challenged. If anyone knows I'd like to learn too.
Thanks for sharing by the way. :tu

No prob, and thanks!

When you hit the embed video option it has FB as an example, but I haven't figured it out. I'll just stick to the tweets

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/618234451974172673/Tghjr6ce_bigger.png Ian Thomsen Verified account ‏@IanThomsen (https://twitter.com/IanThomsen)

5 years & 2 ACLs later, the Spurs have their new shooter http://on.nba.com/2df4Rdx (https://t.co/5xkuxxUXJF)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtkJkDxVIAAvAfN.jpg

[tonight...you]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/618234451974172673/Tghjr6ce_bigger.png Ian Thomsen Verified account ‏@IanThomsen (https://twitter.com/IanThomsen)

5 years & 2 ACLs later, the Spurs have their new shooter http://on.nba.com/2df4Rdx (https://t.co/5xkuxxUXJF)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtkJkDxVIAAvAfN.jpg

Hellz yeah they do. I've watched all the games I could possibly find that this dude played. He's developed. He ain't great on D, but he's a try hard guy and he has the size to bother. He moves off the ball like Belli. He's got the capability of being something for this team. I'm rooting for him huge-time. They're going to need him.

[Spur|n|Austin]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/618234451974172673/Tghjr6ce_bigger.png Ian Thomsen Verified account ‏@IanThomsen (https://twitter.com/IanThomsen)

5 years & 2 ACLs later, the Spurs have their new shooter http://on.nba.com/2df4Rdx (https://t.co/5xkuxxUXJF)

Good read, thanks :tu

[SAGirl]

Davis in the pictures looks indeed very tall. I guess in comparison to players like Garino and other perimeter players one can tell he's a 4, unless he's playing next to a couple of twin towers I guess.
Spurs don't have a lot of frontcourt depth in reality so that pushes guys with height to play the spot. I liked the Bertans article. Rooting for the guy too.

Here's the list after the Richards' cut.

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[bklynspursfan]

LMA looking to take more 3's


Big man to expand range:LaMarcus Aldridge wasn’t afraid to venture out to 3-point territory in his final season with Portland. In 71 games in 2014-15, Aldridge hit 37 of 105 shots (35.2 percent) from beyond the arc. All of those numbers are career highs.


But as a first-year Spur last season operating mainly in the low post and from mid-range, he attempted just 16 3-pointers in 74 games, missing each time.


Aldridge, however, promised he will spend more time downtown this season. In 10 playoff games last season, Aldridge hit both his 3-point tries.


“Pop, after last season, told me to get back with it, so I’ll start taking that shot more this year,” Aldridge said.



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[SAGirl]

LMA looking to take more 3's




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Lo hah fans that were claiming for the LMA 3 got it right. I guess it's a necessity. I doubt he'll shoot it in volume. It's probably like Tony.

Thanks for sharing. :tu

[look_at_g_shred]

Lo hah fans that were claiming for the LMA 3 got it right. I guess it's a necessity. I doubt he'll shoot it in volume. It's probably like Tony.

Thanks for sharing. :tu
I can see him attempting 3 a game.

[Dex]

I can see him attempting 3 a game.

Did you forget the blue font?

Kawhi, Patty, and Danny didn't even average 2 attempts a game last season...let alone 3.

[bklynspursfan]

Did you forget the blue font?

Kawhi, Patty, and Danny didn't even average 2 attempts a game last season...let alone 3.

I see all 3 of those guys at 4 3PA (Green at 4.4) on bball reference. (Guessing you looked at made vs attempted :) )

Either way, I think 1.5-2 would be reasonable for LMA overall, and I think it just depends on the flow of the game.

Similar to what Diaw did his first few years here

[Dex]

I see all 3 of those guys at 4 3PA (Green at 4.4) on bball reference. (Guessing you looked at made vs attempted :) )

Either way, I think 1.5-2 would be reasonable for LMA overall, and I think it just depends on the flow of the game.

Similar to what Diaw did his first few years here

Ah...so I did. Reading is fundamental. :pctoss

I sheepishly retract my incorrect assessment.

[SAGirl]

It's quite possible they eliminate the PnP long 2 from his arsenal. I don't know how that affects the long rebounds, the transition game, everything else. With Pau he may play away from the basket more. It's really hard to say for me. I felt like Pop wanted him closer to the basket last season, but a lot had to do with Tim's reduced efficiency scoring, they used Tim as a playmaker a lot.

But reducing the PnP long 2 into a 3 can't be a bad thing.

[look_at_g_shred]

It's quite possible they eliminate the PnP long 2 from his arsenal. I don't know how that affects the long rebounds, the transition game, everything else. With Pau he may play away from the basket more. It's really hard to say for me. I felt like Pop wanted him closer to the basket last season, but a lot had to do with Tim's reduced efficiency scoring, they used Tim as a playmaker a lot.

But reducing the PnP long 2 into a 3 can't be a bad thing.
I actually prefer his Jumpshot to come from the baseline rather than the top of the key. Coming off a screen like a wing would be nice to incorporate.

[bklynspursfan]

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[Brian Windhorst]

Will there be a silver & black scrimmage at some point?

[SAGirl]

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[SAGirl]

Will there be a silver & black scrimmage at some point?
I don't think so they play in Phoenix next Monday.

[SAGirl]

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Just bumping this in the thread for those who have not seen the schedule

[apalisoc_9]

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Basically telling kawhi to demand the ball more!!!!

[bklynspursfan]

Basically telling kawhi to demand the ball more!!!!

Maybe, or maybe just overall communication. Like on defense and getting guys where they need to be

[Spur|n|Austin]

I hope Kawhi is also more vocal with the refs this season. Dude's like Dangerfield out there, can't get no respect!

[ace3g]

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[ceperez]

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Nice to hear that Aldridge will be taking more 3s. I wanted him to do that more last season, but he showed in only when the Spurs were desperate in the playoffs..

[Brazil]

IIRC LMA said he will take 3s with the Spurs last year too

I'll wait and see on dat one

Now yes I'm defending the idea since his start with Spurs that he should take 3s for the Spurs tbh

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/756481097110880256/F-Jhg0pR_bigger.jpg Bob Cooney ‏@BobCooney76 (https://twitter.com/BobCooney76)

Ben Simmons has fracture in his right foot. Further details coming.


Bob Cooney ‏@BobCooney76 (https://twitter.com/BobCooney76) 3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BobCooney76/status/781982288242356224) Two sources confirmed that Simmons the fracture and that Simmons will be evaluated further. Team will post announcement shortly

[monkeypunk]

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Ben Simmons has fracture in his right foot. Further details coming.

:wow:wow:wow

[ace3g]

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As @BobCooney76 (https://twitter.com/BobCooney76) reports, Sixers No. 1 overall pick Ben Simmons has suffered fractured foot. Source says: "Fractured metacarpal."

[Dex]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/756481097110880256/F-Jhg0pR_bigger.jpg Bob Cooney ‏@BobCooney76 (https://twitter.com/BobCooney76)

Ben Simmons has fracture in his right foot. Further details coming.


Bob Cooney ‏@BobCooney76 (https://twitter.com/BobCooney76) 3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BobCooney76/status/781982288242356224) Two sources confirmed that Simmons the fracture and that Simmons will be evaluated further. Team will post announcement shortly

Gottamn....Sixers just can't catch a break.

For everybody around here who wants to piss and moan about "Porker" or "Fathead"....imagine the Spurs not being even remotely relevant in 16 years, being the laughing stock of the league for the past three, and with no dependable end in sight.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Gottamn....Sixers just can't catch a break.

I mean, they kinda did..

[Dex]

I mean, they kinda did..

:wow Savage.

[SAGirl]

As @BobCooney76 (https://twitter.com/BobCooney76) reports, Sixers No. 1 overall pick Ben Simmons has suffered fractured foot. Source says: "Fractured metacarpal."
WWow!!!!!!!!
Bad news for 76ers. Kind of feel sorry for them. wow....

[SAGirl]

Gottamn....Sixers just can't catch a break.

For everybody around here who wants to piss and moan about "Porker" or "Fathead"....imagine the Spurs not being even remotely relevant in 16 years, being the laughing stock of the league for the past three, and with no dependable end in sight.
Frankly don't even want to joke about that. Injuries can derail a season just like that... really. :cry specially injuries like this that just end the season for a player.

[wildbill2u]

Ryan Richards, there's a call from the GM of the Camel Jockeys of Outer Waziristan on line 1

[SAGirl]

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[Russ]

As @BobCooney76 (https://twitter.com/BobCooney76) reports, Sixers No. 1 overall pick Ben Simmons has suffered fractured foot. Source says: "Fractured metacarpal."


Fractured foot? Metacarpal? :lol

If it's a foot, it would be a metatarsal.

[TheDoctor]

781893924822540289

One of two tbh.

1) He'll gain 40 lbs in the next 5 months eating late night Whataburgers snacks or 2) he's gonna go all Enrique on them wife/girlfriends.

[Russ]

One of two tbh.

1) He'll gain 40 lbs in the next 5 months eating late night Whataburgers snacks or 2) he's gonna go all Enrique on them wife/girlfriends.

Or . . .

He'll be an NBA Finals MVP.

[TheDoctor]

Or . . .

He'll be an NBA Finals MVP.

Asterisk FMVP tbh. Playing against DLeague PGs.

[coachmac87]

Asterisk FMVP tbh. Playing against DLeague PGs.

Just take the L on this one

[spursistan]

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As @BobCooney76 (https://twitter.com/BobCooney76) reports, Sixers No. 1 overall pick Ben Simmons has suffered fractured foot. Source says: "Fractured metacarpal."


Damn, we have our Portland East it seems...

[Solid D]

I'm sure Bob Cooney is embarrassed by now seeing his tweet mistake retweeted with "metacarpal" instead of metatarsal.

[ace3g]

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Thanks for the link man!:toast

[SAGirl]

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[ace3g]

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INJURY REPORT: The following players will not travel to tomorrow’s preseason game in Phoenix: Aldridge Gasol Ginobili Green Mills Parker

[Solid D]

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INJURY REPORT: The following players will not travel to tomorrow’s preseason game in Phoenix: Aldridge Gasol Ginobili Green Mills Parker

Pop reverses course.

[dabom]

Pop reverses course.

I think Pop just likes fucking with Phoenix. History and all. :lol

[dabom]

I mean he keeps them from going. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

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INJURY REPORT: The following players will not travel to tomorrow’s preseason game in Phoenix: Aldridge Gasol Ginobili Green Mills Parker

He had this all planned out. No wonder why Kawhi was playing with the bench

[Solid D]

Pop - 2 days ago - "I thing we are going to take everybody. To get to know each other, camaraderie, that sort of thing."

[jyra]

Good opportunity for Dedmon to show if he can stay out of foul trouble and play extended minutes.

[SAGirl]

He had this all planned out. No wonder why Kawhi was playing with the bench
I thought there was a reason. POP finding out what he really has in the rest if the guys without any other star.... brace ourselves..... good way fir Pop to find out who fits around him. If we think about it Kawhi is being sent to the equivalent of the summer league... lol is it a test? Intriguing.

[tbdog]

I want LMA to get some match fitness in. He looks out of shit again. I understand Gasol, Parker, Mills, and Manu - they just played Internationally. Both Leonard and LMA didn't and need to run down the court in a match.

[szkorhetz]

I think Pop just likes fucking with Phoenix. History and all. :lol
It's still about Dragic, right? :D

[spurs10]

I think Pop just likes fucking with Phoenix. History and all. :lol Sounds about right! :toast

[spurs10]

Still want to watch it. Stream anybody?

[dabom]

It's still about Dragic, right? :D

I can't pinpoint one specific reason but he does fuck with them. :lol

[TheDoctor]

Gonna watch it anyway. Murray's game tbh

[SAGirl]

Tend to think there are battles for minutes going on at these games too, and then obviously the guys trying to make the roster. I really want to see this game, I hope we can find a good stream. I have had issues streaming in the past with lag, and bad connections.

[TheDoctor]

Just take the L on this one


Or . . .

He'll be an NBA Finals MVP.


Murray, he admits that he has become acquainted with the local Whataburger chain...

You both take that L.

[SAGirl]

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[ElNono]

I expected Pop to do something like this, tbh... I really think he wants to take a closer look at the end of the bench, there's way more decisions to do there than at the top...

[apalisoc_9]

I expected Pop to do something like this, tbh... I really think he wants to take a closer look at the end of the bench, there's way more decisions to do there than at the top...

Sure, but he could have done this later in the pre-season..but I suppose he wants to cut the no good guys as quick as possible so he can use the last couple of games to really prepare the main the guys.

[ElNono]

Sure, but he could have done this later in the pre-season..but I suppose he wants to cut the no good guys as quick as possible so he can use the last couple of games to really prepare the main the guys.

yup

[SAGirl]

Sure, but he could have done this later in the pre-season..but I suppose he wants to cut the no good guys as quick as possible so he can use the last couple of games to really prepare the main the guys.
Good point. With really a reconstituted bench, he needs to spend "development time" in preseason refining his rotation and things like that.

So much of interest in this game.
I think the reason only Kawhi of the real veterans is going is for leadership. He needs to be vocal, rally guys if they are down, etc. Plus, he probably has to make sure guys know what they are supposed to be doing and mention things as he sees them. It's a test for him. He mentioned knowing when to pass and knowing when to take over as things he was focusing on this season. Once Tony, Pau, Manu, even Mills are on the court, it's easy for him to revert to deferring, and I think Pop wants to get him to start the season in a different mentality. Or maybe I read too much into it. Either way I am intrigued.

He might just be going for moral support and leadership and Pop really just wants to see everyone else, but how would it look for Pop if he went with an entire "summer leaguish" roster with Anderson and Simmons as his only vets on his team. He brought Kawhi to set the example maybe....

Then Anderson and Simmons have to do their thing too. Are they starting or in the bench? Anderson needs to be aggressive and can't defer here. Simmons needs to be solid. They have to carry over their SL success against NBA competition. Suns are a very young team, but they are an NBA team regardless. There is no excuse not to step it up. Could be a good test defensively for Simmons with Booker for example too, (Pop looks at defense intently).

Then Lee has his issues. I think he is battling for playing time with both Dedmon and Anderson but has an uphill battle if they both step up (he said minutes off the bench at the 4 and 5 in that interview and Pop said Anderson is playing regardless, so Lee has to show up, maybe even some vet leadership here.

Bertans and Murray are playing to earn minutes in the RS (who wouldn't if you are an NBA player, you have to have a goal), but for a first game, to just be poised and solid goes a long way. More than likely it's good to see what level they are at in comparison to others.

LJC will be LJC.

Then the training camp battles for the last roster spot. There is definitely a lot to see. Last season Pop did something similar for the first game of the season but Kawhi, LMA, West, Danny, Diaw, Mills were there. This is something different. No one outside Kawhi is going of the prior team and J.Simms and Anderson are probably stepping into larger roles--it's not the same for them either.

[apalisoc_9]

Starting lineup will probably look lile

Murray-Leonard-Anderson-Lee-Dedmon

Or

Simmons-Anderson-Leonard-Lee-Dedmon

Or even

Murray-Simmons-Leonard-Anderson-Lee

[SAGirl]

Starting lineup will probably look lile

Murray-Leonard-Anderson-Lee-Dedmon

Or

Simmons-Anderson-Leonard-Lee-Dedmon

Or even

Murray-Simmons-Leonard-Anderson-Lee

I think one of Anderson or Simmons is the 6th man and comes off the bench, maybe? Has to be someone with some experience in the system and maybe someone Pop wants to see in that role. Pop could start Bertans for example to add spacing for Kawhi and have Anderson as the 6th man. Or it could very well be J.Simms too. Last season in that Mavs game to end the season where Pop sat everybody, he started Anderson, and Simmons came off the bench (but Danny played that game and he started).

[alpha_HaZE]

I 'd like to see Dejounte, Jonathon, Kawhi, David Lee and Dedmon receive some playing time against Suns in the preseason. This unit could hide Lee defensive shortcomings and benefit from his Offensive skills set.

[alpha_HaZE]

I 'd like to see Dejounte, Jonathon, Kawhi, David Lee and Dedmon receive some playing time against Suns in the preseason. This unit could hide Lee defensive shortcomings and benefit from his Offensive skills set.

[YGWHI]

Once again, Sarver will apologize to Suns' fans for Spurs starters not participating in the game "but but this is not the game you paid your money to watch :cry :cry"...in a chicken suit.

[jiggy_55]

Starting lineup will probably look lile

Murray-Leonard-Anderson-Lee-Dedmon

Or

Simmons-Anderson-Leonard-Lee-Dedmon

Or even

Murray-Simmons-Leonard-Anderson-Lee

I believe he'll go with 2 traditional bigs, so Murray, Simmons, Kawhi, Lee and Dedmon. Kyle off the bench, I can't see Kyle and Kawhi starting together since we will need Kyle to be an aggressor and creator off the bench this season.

[Chinook]

I didn't see the prior scrimmage so I stear clear from that. I think the test was more for the small ball bench TBH. If they don't survive with Kawhi there as a small ball 4, Pop has to think it won't work with Bertans or Kyle. It was a test for their bigs to guard a small ball team that is athletic too. It's always a good learning experience for Kyle to defend elite talent as Kawhi is. He's definitely a still improving player. He's got to be able to do his thing against good defenders too.


I'm certainly curious now... If anyone is able to find a link, I'd love to see it.

http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/spurs-face-spurs-in-scrimmage-for-fans.html
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/10/01/live-spurs-scrimmage/

So those are articles about the scrimmage. As I said, it was a crazy game where Green and Kawhi went at each other with Danny playing over his head.

This is the closet I came to finding video of the event.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSB_35mcLns

It actually boded pretty accurately for the team, as that was Danny's best year since 2011-2012, and Kawhi in the post became a staple of his and eventually the team's offense. And I believe Splitter was hurt during that scrimmage, and as we all know, him being out severely hampered the team all season.

[bklynspursfan]

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[SAGirl]

http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/spurs-face-spurs-in-scrimmage-for-fans.html
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/10/01/live-spurs-scrimmage/

So those are articles about the scrimmage. As I said, it was a crazy game where Green and Kawhi went at each other with Danny playing over his head.

This is the closet I came to finding video of the event.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSB_35mcLns

It actually boded pretty accurately for the team, as that was Danny's best year since 2011-2012, and Kawhi in the post became a staple of his and eventually the team's offense. And I believe Splitter was hurt during that scrimmage, and as we all know, him being out severely hampered the team all season.
Danny indeed had a great season that year. It's too bad outside of him and Cojo a lot of guys had down seasons. Heck Marco has only been on a downward spiral since then. I saw Danny launching 3s coming off a screen there. I hope he's getting his groove back. The news about the hammy I hope are not a bad omen.

Danny has been a true ironman for seasons now. Trying to put the ball on the floor on close outs screwed him up. I know you wanted him to get chemistry and here he is sidelined. Hopefully he bounces back.

[TD 21]

Danny indeed had a great season that year. It's too bad outside of him and Cojo a lot of guys had down seasons.

Green was the third best player on the '14-'15 team, but as much as it probably pained you and your buddy, the clear two best were Duncan and Leonard, yet somehow they didn't merit a mention. If only they were young and mixed.

:lmao At this narrative you're trying to push, that a lot of the regular season success in recent seasons was due to the lesser established young guys.

They could have plugged any random wing into that 10th rotation spot last season and they were still winning 67 games, with a 10+ point differential.

[apalisoc_9]

Green was the third best player on the '14-'15 team, but as much as it probably pained you and your buddy, the clear two best were Duncan and Leonard, yet somehow they didn't merit a mention. If only they were young and mixed.

:lmao At this narrative you're trying to push, that a lot of the regular season success in recent seasons was due to the lesser established young guys.

They could have plugged any random wing into that 10th rotation spot last season and they were still winning 67 games, with a 10+ point differential.

:lol

[dabom]

Green was the third best player on the '14-'15 team, but as much as it probably pained you and your buddy, the clear two best were Duncan and Leonard, yet somehow they didn't merit a mention. If only they were young and mixed.

:lmao At this narrative you're trying to push, that a lot of the regular season success in recent seasons was due to the lesser established young guys.

They could have plugged any random wing into that 10th rotation spot last season and they were still winning 67 games, with a 10+ point differential.

:lol

That 67 wins atleast 17 wins were from fathead. :lmao

[dabom]

Shit we even had Dworst starting for the Spurs some games. :lol

He gets about another 17. :lmao

[dabom]

Lets just forget about LMA signing. He was consistent and played lots of games.

Lets also forget that Kawhi, the second best player in the NBA is barely starting his peak. Nah fuck that, FATHEAD gave us atleast 20 extra wins. :lmao

[SAGirl]

Green was the third best player on the '14-'15 team, but as much as it probably pained you and your buddy, the clear two best were Duncan and Leonard, yet somehow they didn't merit a mention. If only they were young and mixed.

:lmao At this narrative you're trying to push, that a lot of the regular season success in recent seasons was due to the lesser established young guys.

They could have plugged any random wing into that 10th rotation spot last season and they were still winning 67 games, with a 10+ point differential.
lol I don't know what the heck you mean in your first sentence, Kawhi was a beast but that was one of his lowest shooting seasons if I recall correctly (or even his worst shooting season overall). He was injured for a good month + he started shooting very off bc of an eye injury. So if I had to reference Kawhi, that wasn't his best overall season of his career. I didn't think I needed to mention that. Tim wasn't a topic of conversation. He was magnificent too, but that wasn't one of his best seasons of his career either. My statement was that compared to their own careers individually, only Danny and Cojo had career years for themselves (I think Baynes did too, but I forgot him). Compared to them, everyone else had down seasons, that's what I meant. The championship season, Mills and Marco had career seasons. Maybe to win a championship you need career seasons from some roleplayers too.

lol you don't give up TD. You can ridicule my take on Kyle but I know what I saw and the guy who swallowed minutes when TD, then Kawhi, then Manu went down was Kyle. He also showed up when guys were rested. It wasn't only him, it was a group effort and I stated that elsewhere. Boban showed up for some games and was impactful in games he played outside of garbage time (sadly there weren't many bc D.West) and J.Simms was impactful in some games too. But if you think any old 10th wing would have given what Kyle gave you are underrating him as many are and that is fine, but don't be ridiculing the impact that he had, which has earned him a rotation spot this season. Bc for sure Pop is not going to say it's "obvious" that he needs to play more, based on summer league play. I think he was very impactful defensively and last season's team was a defensive team first. But you keep on keeping on with that. Not hating on others who think differently bc everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Jesus PPl are touchy here! I can't reference someone having an individually great season without acknowledging the Tony vs. Manu debate, mentioning TD, acknowledging the greatness of Kawhi etc.

[dabom]

KAwhi was fucking beast mode when he came back and got us back in the playoff race to within 1 game of second place. Like a huge winning streak. GOD MODE Kawhi.

I rememeber telling SAGirl she was fucking stupid for saying kawhi was a bad shooter when I clearly had told her he had no training camp. Bad Eyes. New role for the "others" to adjust. She has always been a fuckign twat since day one. Never had one good take since shes been here TBH.

[dabom]

Kawhi is the single most important reason we are where we are. No other fucking player comes close. It's disrespectful when people bring up a fucking 5th player off the bench as to say he helps us win games and we should be grateful. Fuck you bitch. He should be grateful he gets to play for the Spurs. The Spurs have no problem turning up that 10spot. :lmao

[dabom]

2 years later now SAGirl agrees with my point of view but not back then. Maybe I should bump some of her comments for laughs. :lol

[TD 21]

lol I don't know what the heck you mean in your first sentence,

Sure you don't.


Kawhi was a beast but that was one of his lowest shooting seasons if I recall correctly (or even his worst shooting season overall). He was injured for a good month + he started shooting very off bc of an eye injury.

You don't base the quality of a season entirely on shooting. Sometime around mid season, when Leonard got healthy, he was the best player on the team until the playoffs. Then, it was Duncan, who was the steadiest player throughout the season.


My statement was that compared to their own careers individually, only Danny and Cojo had career years for themselves (I think Baynes did too, but I forgot him).

Whether one had a good season or not shouldn't be judged on whether it was a career season, especially for older players.


You can ridicule my take on Kyle but I know what I saw and the guy who swallowed minutes when TD, then Kawhi, then Manu went down was Kyle. He also showed up when guys were rested. But if you think any old 10th wing would have given what Kyle gave you are underrating him as many are and that is fine, but don't be ridiculing the impact that he had, which has earned him a rotation spot this season. Bc for sure Pop is not going to say it's "obvious" that he needs to play more, based on summer league play. I think he was very impactful defensively and last season's team was a defensive team first.

You saw what you wanted to see.

Simmons "swallowed" a good amount of minutes in the 1st half of the season; does that make him credible? He's a good example of what I was saying: Some random D-League player, yet they were doing just fine when he was in the rotation.

Anderson "earned" a rotation spot this season the same way he shared one with Simmons last season: Largely by default because they were limited in what they could do.

West had strong defensive metrics too, yet I didn't see you or your buddy slobbering over his defense.

[dabom]

Sure you don't.



You don't base the quality of a season entirely on shooting. Sometime around mid season, when Leonard got healthy, he was the best player on the team until the playoffs. Then, it was Duncan, who was the steadiest player throughout the season.



No, it wasn't.



You saw what you wanted to see.

Simmons "swallowed" a good amount of minutes in the 1st half of the season; does that make him credible? He's a good example of what I was saying: Some random D-League player, yet they were doing just fine when he was in the rotation.

Anderson "earned" a rotation spot this season the same way he shared one with Simmons last season: Largely by default.

West had strong defensive metrics too, yet I didn't see you or your buddy slobbering over his defense.

The jugular. :lol

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStaqzqPKUI

:wow

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Sure you don't.



You don't base the quality of a season entirely on shooting. Sometime around mid season, when Leonard got healthy, he was the best player on the team until the playoffs. Then, it was Duncan, who was the steadiest player throughout the season.



Whether one had a good season or not shouldn't be judged on whether it was a career season, especially for older players.



You saw what you wanted to see.

Simmons "swallowed" a good amount of minutes in the 1st half of the season; does that make him credible? He's a good example of what I was saying: Some random D-League player, yet they were doing just fine when he was in the rotation.

Anderson "earned" a rotation spot this season the same way he shared one with Simmons last season: Largely by default because they were limited in what they could do.

West had strong defensive metrics too, yet I didn't see you or your buddy slobbering over his defense.
I am not going down this road bc it's not my style to want to be right on everything, which guys here like to do. You have your take and I have mine. You ain't changing my point of view and are free in turn to think what you want. Sometimes these chats enlighten me which is why I like about them, but often they deviate into I am right you are wrong and it wears me out. Peace.

I had to edit bc D west it's possible I am underrating him and I mentioned that elsewhere. Until I see the other bigs this season (Dedmon and Lee) I might sing a different tune about him. He was impactful in the RS save a few matches and the new bench bigs are unknown to me if they will be better defensively.

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Td21 set the bait. He knew you weren't gonna say you were wrong but went full Trump. :lol

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Clearly some posters just lack common sense. :lol

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Danny has been a true ironman for seasons now. Trying to put the ball on the floor on close outs screwed him up.


Horseshit. Danny went ape-shit crazy from the arc in the '13 playoffs, and the Heat figured out that they had to leave someone on him, and run him off the 3P line. He went 1-5 and 1-6 in the last two games, after shooting over .500 in the playoffs before that. It's one of the biggest reasons Tim doesn't need two hands to display his rings.

That part isn't Danny's fault - it's harder to shoot 3's with a guy draped on you. The way for him to take the next step as a player was to learn how to put the ball on the floor and make defenders pay for trying to run him off the line. Putting the ball on the floor didn't screw him up. He screwed up putting the ball on the floor. (And I'm giving you credit that you're not suggesting that putting the ball on the floor was responsible for getting an injury. It sounds like that's what you said, but you can't possibly think that.)

Danny is a great 3-and-D guy. We saw last year that his value goes down when his 3P shot isn't falling. We also saw that his defense is still good enough to keep him on the floor when he's in a slump. But he's a disaster when he puts the ball on the floor. His value as a player, and to the team, would be a lot greater if he could improve in that one area. But don't act like putting the ball on the floor screwed him up. It's not something Pop forced him to do. He only puts the ball on the floor when he has to - mostly when the defense won't give him an open 3P shot. I'm pretty sure that Pop would rather he be getting wide open 3's.

[SAGirl]

Horseshit. Danny went ape-shit crazy from the arc in the '13 playoffs, and the Heat figured out that they had to leave someone on him, and run him off the 3P line. He went 1-5 and 1-6 in the last two games, after shooting over .500 in the playoffs before that. It's one of the biggest reasons Tim doesn't need two hands to display his rings.

That part isn't Danny's fault - it's harder to shoot 3's with a guy draped on you. The way for him to take the next step as a player was to learn how to put the ball on the floor and make defenders pay for trying to run him off the line. Putting the ball on the floor didn't screw him up. He screwed up putting the ball on the floor. (And I'm giving you credit that you're not suggesting that putting the ball on the floor was responsible for getting an injury. It sounds like that's what you said, but you can't possibly think that.)

Danny is a great 3-and-D guy. We saw last year that his value goes down when his 3P shot isn't falling. We also saw that his defense is still good enough to keep him on the floor when he's in a slump. But he's a disaster when he puts the ball on the floor. His value as a player, and to the team, would be a lot greater if he could improve in that one area. But don't act like putting the ball on the floor screwed him up. It's not something Pop forced him to do. He only puts the ball on the floor when he has to - mostly when the defense won't give him an open 3P shot. I'm pretty sure that Pop would rather he be getting wide open 3's.
My comment was made in reference to his low shooting season last year. I think the change in offense and having to evaluate whether to shoot or slash or reenter the ball to the post player screwed his shooting. That's all speculative as to what affected his shot last season but I thought a good part of it was him trying to put the ball on the floor too much to start. He eventually stopped tryibg to do that so frequently. We can all speculate about that.

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I am not going down this road bc it's not my style to want to be right on everything, which guys here like to do. You have your take and I have mine. You ain't changing my point of view and are free in turn to think what you want. Sometimes these chats enlighten me which is why I like about them, but often they deviate into I am right you are wrong and it wears me out. Peace.

I had to edit bc D west it's possible I am underrating him and I mentioned that elsewhere. Until I see the other bigs this season (Dedmon and Lee) I might sing a different tune about him. He was impactful in the RS save a few matches and the new bench bigs are unknown to me if they will be better defensively.

This isn't about being right, it's about calling you on your not so hidden agendas and false narratives.

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This isn't about being right, it's about calling you on your agendas and false narratives.
Ok TD eventually I will wear you out then bc I don't care about this back and forth TBH and I will keep on being myself and posting what I think and let you be you. I enjoy reading many things you post and you have changed my point of view on some things but you won't on Kyle and you overreacted over a comment I made about Danny having a special season for his career. If you are this jumpy about everything eventually we'll butt heads I think, but butting heads ain't my thing so if you think you called out something here I guess that's fine with me.

I still enjoy reading what you post. I am just a fan and don't have agendas against anybody or players. I have my favorites like everyone and respect others takes. Again peace.

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Ya but 3 post later you gonna post Murray as dijon for no specific reason other than he plays point guard. :lmao

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My comment was made in reference to his low shooting season last year. I think the change in offense and having to evaluate whether to shoot or slash or reenter the ball to the post player screwed his shooting. That's all speculative as to what affected his shot last season but I thought a good part of it was him trying to put the ball on the floor too much to start. He eventually stopped tryibg to do that so frequently. We can all speculate about that.


Maybe that's not what you meant, but it's what you said. And I'm telling you that he didn't start putting the ball on the floor because he wanted to. It's a response to being defended aggressively on the 3P line. And he's not good at it. I wish he was, but he's not.

I'll say it again - putting the ball on the floor didn't screw Danny up - he screwed up putting the ball on the floor. And the reason he stopped doing it so much was that when his 3P shots quit falling, the other teams quit defending him so tight out at the arc. Things don't happen in a vacuum.

I've been a Danny Green fan since the first pre-season game he played here. But I'm not going to pretend like he doesn't have a hole in his game, just because I like him. You shouldn't either.

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Maybe that's not what you meant, but it's what you said. And I'm telling you that he didn't start putting the ball on the floor because he wanted to. It's a response to being defended aggressively on the 3P line. And he's not good at it. I wish he was, but he's not.

I'll say it again - putting the ball on the floor didn't screw Danny up - he screwed up putting the ball on the floor. And the reason he stopped doing it so much was that when his 3P shots quit falling, the other teams quit defending him so tight out at the arc. Things don't happen in a vacuum.

I've been a Danny Green fan since the first pre-season game he played here. But I'm not going to pretend like he doesn't have a hole in his game because I like him. You shouldn't either.
Alright. Maybe the way I wrote it didn't make sense in context. I think we agree. I thought he tried to put the ball on the floor too much to start the season, but one thing leads to another and eventually they were helping off him you are right. That article I posted about him made reference to the number of open shots he was getting and eventually he got open shots. Just hoping that % was an aberration.

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Ok TD eventually I will wear you out then bc I don't care about this back and forth TBH and I will keep on being myself and posting what I think and let you be you. I enjoy reading many things you post and you have changed my point of view on some things but you won't on Kyle and you overreacted over a comment I made about Danny having a special season for his career. If you are this jumpy about everything eventually we'll butt heads I think, but butting heads ain't my thing so if you think you called out something here I guess that's fine with me.

I still enjoy reading what you post. I am just a fan and don't have agendas against anybody or players. I have my favorites like everyone and respect others takes. Again peace.

This literally made me laugh out loud.

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Wait wait. I agree that green had the exact same open shots as last year. Some might say we'll he gets the pass from,.. fuck that Shit. He got the same open shots. The coaches tried to expand his game. It ducked him up. Glad he got his shot back in the playoffs.

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That also doesn't mean I think he has ever gotten close to any regular or playoff season as kawhi.

[SAGirl]

This literally made me laugh out loud.
Glad we can change the way that was going TBH. Lol

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Wait wait. I agree that green had the exact same open shots as last year. Some might say we'll he gets the pass from,.. fuck that Shit. He got the same open shots. The coaches tried to expand his game. It ducked him up. Glad he got his shot back in the playoffs.


So you think the coaching staff told Danny to pass up open 3P shots in favor of putting the ball on the floor? Seriously? They looked at one of the best 3P shooters in the league and decided that they wanted him to quit doing it so much, in favor of putting the ball on the floor? I know you like to argue with me, but you don't really believe that shit. Danny would never put the ball on the floor unless the defense forced him to. And Pop would rather have him knocking down 3's than driving the ball. It was a response to the way he was being defended, and he just wasn't good at it.

BTW - you say that Danny got the same open 3's as in years before. If he had wide open shots, then he missed them because he was in a slump and missing wide-open shots, not because he was driving with the ball. You can't have it both ways.

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So you think the coaching staff told Danny to pass up open 3P shots in favor of putting the ball on the floor? Seriously? They looked at one of the best 3P shooters in the league and decided that they wanted him to quit doing it so much, in favor of putting the ball on the floor? I know you like to argue with me, but you don't really believe that shit. Danny would never put the ball on the floor unless the defense forced him to. And Pop would rather have him knocking down 3's than driving the ball. It was a response to the way he was being defended, and he just wasn't good at it.

BTW - you say that Danny got the same open 3's as in years before. If he had wide open shots, then he missed them because he was in a slump and missing wide-open shots, not because he was driving with the ball. You can't have it both ways.

He just got a raise to 42 mil over 4 years. Yes the coaching staff did try to expand his game because Manu was aging and they wanted to see what was there.
Pop would benched his ass long time ago. Remember when Tony would just tell him to not fucking dribble the BALL!!!
In front of everyone!! Everyone knew. And everyone knew when Pop tried to expand his game you stupid fuck. :lmao

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Don't come at an OG bro. You gonna look stupid. :lol

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Someone tell me if I'm wrong...

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Who is the next cut?

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Don't have a take. Missed about 60% of the game. To me the most disappointing performance was Dedmon and he's under contract. Anthony was terrible too but he was there with Dedmon as far as being terrible. The bigs made me miss Dwest and Boban.