Bill Clinton's lonely, one-man effort to win white working-class voters [Archive]

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11-13-2016, 06:04 PM

If Bill knows these things (and about Obamacare too), why the disconnect with Hillary's message? Did she just ignore him and paint an optimistic picture of the economy?

She just wanted it. She saw it there within the grasp and just closed her eyes---stopped---hoping it would happen and she'd get to Wednesday and it would be over and she would conduct the next 8 years. I've been there, yes, to scale, yes, just like we all have.

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11-13-2016, 06:04 PM

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Will Hunting

11-13-2016, 06:06 PM

If Bill knows these things (and about Obamacare too), why the disconnect with Hillary's message? Did she just ignore him and paint an optimistic picture of the economy?
She didn't ignore him as much as her campaign staff did.

rmt

11-13-2016, 08:33 PM

She didn't ignore him as much as her campaign staff did.

Well, then, the fault is hers. She is the one who should be setting the message/what she stands for - not her campaign staff. You'd think she'd listen to Bill though - he's her husband and supposedly a very good natural politician.

Axl Rose

11-13-2016, 08:57 PM

Will Hunting

11-13-2016, 09:01 PM

Kind of hard to shit on us for 40 years then turn around and expect something from us. Whites will start voting as a block more and more like the blacks and everyone else do now that they've Balkanized the fucking country
Agreed, my general point is that Shillary is so arrogant she didn't even realize how betrayed/disenfranchised white working class families felt by the Democratic Party.

just look at Wisconsin for example, she didn't visit the state even once :lol

DMX7

11-13-2016, 09:03 PM

She didn't ignore him as much as her campaign staff did.

Their campaign manager, Mook, wasn't even old enough to vote in 1996. It doesn't surprise me this stuff went completely over his head until it was too late.

Will Hunting

11-13-2016, 09:06 PM

but then again she did make an appearance with Jay Z and Beyoncé. That'll REALLY win the white vote over :lmao

boutons_deux

11-13-2016, 09:10 PM

If Bill knows these things (and about Obamacare too), why the disconnect with Hillary's message? Did she just ignore him and paint an optimistic picture of the economy?

The economy would be doing a LOT better if Repug hadn't been defunding and firing several 100Ks of people at all levels of govt, for years.

Since Obama took office, the Repugs have done everything they could to fuck up the economy,to retard the receovery from the Banksters Great Depression no matter who, including Trash's voters, got screwed, so Obama couldn't claim any credit.

DMX7

11-13-2016, 09:11 PM

Agreed, my general point is that Shillary is so arrogant she didn't even realize how betrayed/disenfranchised white working class families felt by the Democratic Party.

just look at Wisconsin for example, she didn't visit the state even once :lol

Even back in 2008, I knew that Obama's victory didn't mark the beginning of a new era of politics for the democrats and the end of the line for republicans. The media wanted us to believe we were entering a post-racial era, but many of the people who voted for Obama were swing voters that really only came to their decision to support him based on this: "Economy = bad, War = bad, Current President = Republican; therefore Vote = Democrat". Essentially, they didn't vote for him because he was inspirational or had this set of progressive modern policies, they voted for him because he was simply the "other" of two choices. This time Trump was the "Other" of two choices -- he represented change.

Axl Rose

11-13-2016, 09:14 PM

Agreed, my general point is that Shillary is so arrogant she didn't even realize how betrayed/disenfranchised white working class families felt by the Democratic Party.

just look at Wisconsin for example, she didn't visit the state even once :lol

Of course shes arrogant, they've gotten away with literally everything imaginable over the coarse of decades she thought she was untouchable. Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube either, whites are going to drift further and further away from that shitfest of a party. The DNC is pretty much damaged beyond repair

Pelicans78

11-13-2016, 09:17 PM

It's funny how these losers running her campaigned dismissed a popular, successful two term president despite dealing with a Republican senate. Even sad his hag wife who rode his coattails for so many years did the same.

DMX7

11-13-2016, 09:18 PM

The DNC is pretty much damaged beyond repair

This is laughable. There are only two major political parties. If one doesn't get results for enough of the country, then enough of the country that can swing an election will just votes for the other choice -- and it doesn't matter what that choice is as long as it's "change".

rmt

11-13-2016, 09:21 PM

The economy would be doing a LOT better if Repug hadn't been defunding and firing several 100Ks of people at all levels of govt, for years.

Since Obama took office, the Repugs have done everything they could to fuck up the economy,to retard the receovery from the Banksters Great Depression no matter who, including Trash's voters, got screwed, so Obama couldn't claim any credit.

What exactly does 100ks of government people do to help the economy? Govt is bloated, overstaffed and wasteful.

Axl Rose

11-13-2016, 09:21 PM

I'm really hoping that party will end up banned for subversion and activity detrimental to the United States and it's citizens

resistanze

11-13-2016, 09:24 PM

swing voters that really only came to their decision to support him based on this: "Economy = bad, War = bad, Current President = Republican; therefore Vote = Democrat".

I get the impression this is the thought process these voters use for every election...

rmt

11-13-2016, 09:27 PM

The DNC is pretty much damaged beyond repair

I wouldn't underestimate the DNC. The young people are more in line with their philosophies. As time goes by more and more of them will replace the older people who vote republican. Trump and the Republicans must improve the economy/jobs - voters will forgive much if they have money in their pockets.

Axl Rose

11-13-2016, 09:29 PM

That's always been the case, people get more conservative as they age, they've ever been born that way by large

rmt

11-13-2016, 09:34 PM

That's always been the case, people get more conservative as they age, they've ever been born that way by large

But more so now. When I was young, I wasn't hoping for all the stuff young people are pushing for now.

Axl Rose

11-13-2016, 09:42 PM

Times change, but human nature doesn't

Th'Pusher

11-13-2016, 09:43 PM

I became more liberal as I grew older and more educated.

Axl Rose

11-13-2016, 09:57 PM

That's because you found out you were gay

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11-14-2016, 06:37 AM

z0sa

11-14-2016, 06:53 AM

Hillary Clinton, beaten by a (black) half term senator and then by a reality TV show host who can barely remember what version of his ever changing narrative he said two minutes ago.

LOL at most qualified candidate ever. Horseshit.

Chinook

11-14-2016, 07:13 AM

Kind of hard to shit on us for 40 years then turn around and expect something from us. Whites will start voting as a block more and more like the blacks and everyone else do now that they've Balkanized the fucking country

Until it stops being white people on the ballots, this isn't going to happen. People at the top of the food chain will never stop bickering among themselves.

Axl Rose

11-14-2016, 12:03 PM

Until it stops being white people on the ballots, this isn't going to happen. People at the top of the food chain will never stop bickering among themselves.
Its Not going to happen it's already happening. Whites voted trump by a larger margin than reagan

Chinook

11-14-2016, 12:17 PM

Its Not going to happen it's already happening. Whites voted trump by a larger margin than reagan

That's one election. It'd be like saying "blacks are going to turn out from now on it's already happening" after 2008. Don't make too much of this election. This was unique and crazy in a lot of ways, and believing it to be part of a permanent trend is worse than liberals in 2008 believing we were about to enter the Era of Good Feelings 2.0.

If Trump pisses away his term, the people who flipped will flop right back. Unilateral control of the government makes it really easy to campaign against them. I get that you've been dying to consolidate the white race, but believing that it's going to become one bloc is almost as absurd as people in Korea believing that Koreans will vote as one bloc.

florige

11-14-2016, 12:27 PM

She just wanted it. She saw it there within the grasp and just closed her eyes---stopped---hoping it would happen and she'd get to Wednesday and it would be over and she would conduct the next 8 years. I've been there, yes, to scale, yes, just like we all have.

If Hillary had won I seriously doubt she would had won re-election. Trump would had devoted a whole network bent on trashing her at every angle, not to mention the investigations on going, the GOP controlled house and senate. I am sure she would have been a one and doner.

florige

11-14-2016, 12:33 PM

Even back in 2008, I knew that Obama's victory didn't mark the beginning of a new era of politics for the democrats and the end of the line for republicans. The media wanted us to believe we were entering a post-racial era, but many of the people who voted for Obama were swing voters that really only came to their decision to support him based on this: "Economy = bad, War = bad, Current President = Republican; therefore Vote = Democrat". Essentially, they didn't vote for him because he was inspirational or had this set of progressive modern policies, they voted for him because he was simply the "other" of two choices. This time Trump was the "Other" of two choices -- he represented change.

Obama wasn't inspirational with all his hope and changes themes? I don't agree at all with that.

florige

11-14-2016, 12:46 PM

Their campaign manager, Mook, wasn't even old enough to vote in 1996. It doesn't surprise me this stuff went completely over his head until it was too late.

I'm not sure why she didn't go with David Axlerod. This dude didn't have a clue. Her ground game was abysmal. No signs ANYWHERE in my blue liberal state. Totally forgets to poll MI until the Trump campaign does, then you scurry and spend tons of money in cash there 2 days before the election when it is too late.

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11-14-2016, 01:25 PM

If Hillary had won I seriously doubt she would had won re-election. Trump would had devoted a whole network bent on trashing her at every angle, not to mention the investigations on going, the GOP controlled house and senate. I am sure she would have been a one and doner.

No. T would've went back to the Tower and picked up where he left off before he began his run.

& she'd a waltzed to re-election. Those chickenshit RINO would've been well satisfied to leave her be and accept the markers she pushed across & under the table to them.

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11-14-2016, 01:26 PM

If Trump pisses away his term, the people who flipped will flop right back.

Nooky

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11-14-2016, 01:28 PM

I get that you've been dying to consolidate the white race, but believing that it's going to become one bloc is almost as absurd

Blacks have pulled if off with nary a whisper of consequence.

I'm with Ax,,,let's bloc and find out...for sure.

Chinook

11-14-2016, 01:36 PM

Blacks have pulled if off with nary a whisper of consequence.

I'm with Ax,,,let's bloc and find out...for sure.

Ask the blacks in Rwanda if they are one bloc

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11-14-2016, 01:46 PM

Ask the blacks in Rwanda if they are one bloc

Don't be obtuse, Nooky.

Chinook

11-14-2016, 01:52 PM

Don't be obtuse, Nooky.

That's actually the point though. Until politics is not usually just the choice between two white people, we aren't going to see white people coalesce their interests into a single bloc. They can instead focus on things like guns and abortion.

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11-14-2016, 01:54 PM

That's actually the point though. Until politics is not usually just the choice between two white people, we aren't going to see white people coalesce their interests into a single bloc. They can instead focus on things like guns and abortion.

It's just a favorite fantasy of mine.

monosylab1k

11-14-2016, 02:24 PM

If Hillary had won I seriously doubt she would had won re-election. Trump would had devoted a whole network bent on trashing her at every angle, not to mention the investigations on going, the GOP controlled house and senate. I am sure she would have been a one and doner.

Agreed. I think either way this was a one term President. Hell, Trump may resign before his 4 years are up, either that or not even try for re-election.

Trainwreck2100

11-14-2016, 04:14 PM

I still can't believe they decided to go with some dumb fuck social justice crap, instead of focusing on the issues that America care about. :cry mah daughters made me change my vote to trump :cry

Chucho

11-14-2016, 04:47 PM

If the whites in this country do "bloc", it will be because of the Left's infinite racism and ignorance. White people is one big fucking umbrella, but they just look at skin color, because, well, identity-politics is all lazy, bigoted people know. And that is another reason the lazy and bigoted hate mongers lost this election.

florige

11-14-2016, 05:33 PM

No. T would've went back to the Tower and picked up where he left off before he began his run.

& she'd a waltzed to re-election. Those chickenshit RINO would've been well satisfied to leave her be and accept the markers she pushed across & under the table to them.

Idk about that. You have to remember that Hillary if she won would probably had been the most hated person ever to get elected in their first term. Reagan, Obama, both Bush's,Clinton all of them were popular upon them getting elected to their first terms. Hillary would have had the Bernie supporters despising her, every Republican on the earth, and probably a few added dem's along the way just for good measure. All the investigations, scandals that would had over shadowed her Presidency, no way she gets re-elected outside of her being responsible for finding the cure for Cancer or something.

florige

11-14-2016, 05:35 PM

Agreed. I think either way this was a one term President. Hell, Trump may resign before his 4 years are up, either that or not even try for re-election.

I don't think Trump really is interested in being a full time President. He only wants to stay in the White House part time already as it is.

z0sa

11-14-2016, 05:36 PM

"I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to the people where I came from."

Comrade Bernie

DMX7

11-15-2016, 11:35 AM

Obama wasn't inspirational with all his hope and changes themes? I don't agree at all with that.

I'm not sure you read that right...

boutons_deux

11-15-2016, 12:17 PM

"I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to the people where I came from."

Comrade Bernie

Trash and the Repugs are gonna fuck hard "the people where I came from".

Repugs only talk to working class people on social issues DURING CAMPAIGNS, then fuck them hard on economic issues, leading them all to "revolt" about their financial fuck job against the Repug establishment by electing Trash, who has also totally conned them.