Let the Soros ballot-stuffing begin

[Clipper Nation]

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[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfvZQUIA37U

[rmt]

Even if 2 of the 3 states magically turn, he still gets to 270.

[Spurtacular]

Even if 2 of the 3 states magically turn, he still gets to 270.

And if 3 of 3 magically turn? That's what has people upset. This looks like outright shenanigans.

[rmt]

And if 3 of 3 magically turn? That's what has people upset. This looks like outright shenanigans.

70.6K (PA) is a lot bigger difference to overcome than 27.2K or 11.6K.

[Spurtacular]

70.6K (PA) is a lot bigger difference to overcome than 27.2K or 11.6K.

Democrats will blatantly cheat at any opportunity. This is just a chance for them to rig something up; people know this. Nobody's worried about a legitimate recount gone awry.

[Axl Rose]

Even if 2 of the 3 states magically turn, he still gets to 270.
They are also using death threats to try to persuade electors to switch and it for Hillary. These people are evil and playing with fucking fire

[spurraider21]

lol infowars

[boutons_deux]

They are also using death threats to try to persuade electors to switch and it for Hillary. These people are evil and playing with fucking fire

Link?

U elected the fat orange fraud turd!

[TeyshaBlue]

Link?

U elected the fat orange fraud turd!

There ain't nothing out there except for the far right versions of thinkprogress.borg et al.

[angrydude]

https://i.sli.mg/4UZlTO.gif

[Axl Rose]

Cmon folks let's go get it together and keep up

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/17/elector-threats/94003176/

[boutons_deux]

Kockistan WI recount pointless. Cheating repugs with rigged machines, no paper trail

[HI-FI]

The Left pulled this shit before in Minnesota where Norm Coleman won, then they magically "found" enough votes to push that hack Franken on us. I figured they were prepping that :cry Russians meme for a reason.

[TeyshaBlue]

Kockistan WI recount pointless. Cheating repugs with rigged machines, no paper trail

:lmao

[boutons_deux]

then add in WI voter suppression number of voters denied well exceeds trash's margin of victory

[Axl Rose]

Muh suppression

[boutons_deux]

Election Fraud Complaint Filed As More People Voted Than Total Voters In 4 Wisconsin Precincts



An election fraud complaint has been filed with the Wisconsin Elections Commission after it was uncovered that more people voted in the presidential race than the total number of votes in 4 precincts in Wisconsin.


http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/26/election-fraud-complaint-filed-people-voted-total-voters-4-wisconsin-precincts.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20politicususa/fJAl%20(Politicus%20USA%20)

[florige]

They are also using death threats to try to persuade electors to switch and it for Hillary. These people are evil and playing with fucking fire

Dude calm down. If it were one state I would maybe be concerned. Three states where one is close to a 100k vote difference. This is nothing more than Stein trying to get more limelight.

[Axl Rose]

Dude calm down. If it were one state I would maybe be concerned. Three states where one is close to a 100k vote difference. This is nothing more than Stein trying to get more limelight.
I'll calm down when the shenanigans are over. I have zero faith in anyone on the left doing the right thing. Something smells like shit

[TheSanityAnnex]

Repubs should call for a recount in Florida.

[DMC]

lol infowars

Your remark is a fine example of just why fake news can be so easily spread.

You just dismissed the story because of the source. That means that you'd more likely accept the story if the source were more to your liking.

So instead of weighing the story on merit, you just used a pass/fail criteria based on preferred news sources.

[spurraider21]

Your remark is a fine example of just why fake news can be so easily spread.

You just dismissed the story because of the source. That means that you'd more likely accept the story if the source were more to your liking.

So instead of weighing the story on merit, you just used a pass/fail criteria based on preferred news sources.when a source shreds its own credibility with falsity after falsity, i have no reason to take it seriously. same reason we discredit wild cobra's "science" takes. and yes, i'd be more likely to accept a story if the source were more credible

[DMC]

Dude calm down. If it were one state I would maybe be concerned. Three states where one is close to a 100k vote difference. This is nothing more than Stein trying to get more limelight.

She's trying to do a few things (and it's really not her, she's just the face of it. There are other players who prefer to remain behind the scenes).

1. Get her name out there for campaign funding drives
2. Change the notion that Trump kicked the shit out of Hillary. Even a closer race would lend more legitimacy to the popular vote red herring and give the voter base something to cling to for 2020.
3. Affect the midterm elections
4. Endear herself to the Clintons/Dems

[Spurminator]

Your remark is a fine example of just why fake news can be so easily spread.

You just dismissed the story because of the source. That means that you'd more likely accept the story if the source were more to your liking.

So instead of weighing the story on merit, you just used a pass/fail criteria based on preferred news sources.

Well, for one thing, Infowars wasn't being referenced as the source. Soros-as-puppetmaster is just a common trope among the Infowars believers.

Secondly, Infowars does not pass the litmus to even qualify for pass/fail testing. Your presumption that anything on the Internet COULD be true, even if it comes from a source that is usually wrong, is a better example of how fake news spreads.

But I suspect you know this.

[rmt]

She's trying to do a few things (and it's really not her, she's just the face of it. There are other players who prefer to remain behind the scenes).

1. Get her name out there for campaign funding drives
2. Change the notion that Trump kicked the shit out of Hillary. Even a closer race would lend more legitimacy to the popular vote red herring and give the voter base something to cling to for 2020.
3. Affect the midterm elections
4. Endear herself to the Clintons/Dems

Affect the midterm elections how?

[DMC]

when a source shreds its own credibility with falsity after falsity, i have no reason to take it seriously. same reason we discredit wild cobra's "science" takes. and yes, i'd be more likely to accept a story if the source were more credible

Your reasoning is a red herring. The point remains.

Who are the trustworthy news sources? Care to list them in order of trustworthiness?

[Spurminator]

Your reasoning is a red herring. The point remains.

Who are the trustworthy news sources? Care to list them in order of trustworthiness?

Lists are subjective, but we can start by eliminating any source that has never published a retraction for a false story.

[Spurminator]

(and it's really not her, she's just the face of it. There are other players who prefer to remain behind the scenes).

lol infowars

[DMC]

lol infowars

I don't listen to or read Infotards.

I just know that Stein has no reason to want a recount. Hillary wants it, but doesn't want to be seen as someone desperate. Jill loves desperation, she's lost everything she's ever tried to win so she's the face of it.

[DMC]

Lists are subjective, but we can start by eliminating any source that has never published a retraction for a false story.

That's why I asked Philo, not you.

[Spurminator]

I don't listen to or read Infotards.

I just know that Stein has no reason to want a recount. Hillary wants it, but doesn't want to be seen as someone desperate. Jill loves desperation, she's lost everything she's ever tried to win so she's the face of it.

There are countless better options than Jill Stein as a "front" for a Clinton-led recount.

Stein was a leading 3rd Party's candidate for POTUS, not sure why you think it's unrealistic for her to lead efforts to raise $2MM or so for a recount on her own without being some kind of front for a larger conspiracy.

[IceColdBrewski]

If they somehow manage to steal the election from Trump, what side of the civil war are you fellas gonna be on?

[Spurminator]

One year of a Hillary Clinton candidacy and everyone turns into Cosmored.

[DMC]

There are countless better options than Jill Stein as a "front" for a Clinton-led recount.

Stein was a leading 3rd Party's candidate for POTUS, not sure why you think it's unrealistic for her to lead efforts to raise $2MM or so for a recount on her own without being some kind of front for a larger conspiracy.

How many with a voter base already?

[Spurminator]

How many with a voter base already?

Bernie Sanders has a much larger voter base, for one, even if you eliminate the #NeverHillary's.

She could have also found some kind of Media/celebrity figure with a larger loyal following than Stein.

[DMC]

Bernie Sanders has a much larger voter base, for one, even if you eliminate the #NeverHillary's.

She could have also found some kind of Media/celebrity figure with a larger loyal following than Stein.

Bernie is with the DNC. Why would you chose your own group to front for your own group?

Stein has a history of going after fake targets like voter fraud.

[TeyshaBlue]

One year of a Hillary Clinton candidacy and everyone turns into Cosmored.

:lol

[Thread]

I don't listen to or read Infotards.

I just know that Stein has no reason to want a recount. Hillary wants it, but doesn't want to be seen as someone desperate. Jill loves desperation, she's lost everything she's ever tried to win so she's the face of it.

Trump will be his own [James Baker] here. GWB didn't know wet work from squat, Baker had no problem with the concept-nor it's application. We'll see if Trump does wet work. We'll see if he lets them wise guy their way into a POTUS.

[mavsfan1000]

Stein must feel a little guilty. She probably did take almost 1% of the votes from Hillary.

[Thread]

Stein must feel a little guilty. She probably did take almost 1% of the votes from Hillary.

The Grand.

Now they're both striving to restore that %.

[Winehole23]

elections should be audited even in the absence of the appearance of shenanigans; targeting only close results is shenanigans.

that said, it's very unlikely recounts will change the result. pressing the electoral process to the utmost comes off as greedy and desperate.

[boutons_deux]

how many red/slave states have eliminated paper ballots to hide Repug counting fraud?

[Winehole23]

circularity. you're presuming the thing to be proven.

which red states do you think HRC won? which states jobbed her?

[Winehole23]

In New Hampshire (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/14/clinton-wins-new-hampshires-4-electoral-college-votes.html), Clinton won by 2,700 votes — which is the smallest margin of victory in any state. In Nevada (http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president), the Hillary Clinton margin of victory was 26,000 votes — far less than the Trump margin of victory in PennsylvaniaBoth Red states. Rigged it wrong.

[Winehole23]

Trump was wrong when he suggested PA was rife with voting fraud; Jill Stein is wrong too.

[florige]

Stein must feel a little guilty. She probably did take almost 1% of the votes from Hillary.


She said openly during a interview before the election that she didn't care that her being on the ballot probably would funnel more voters from Hillary verses Trump. Hillary desperately needed the Bernie voters, especially in those rust belt states. They either stayed home or went Johnson, or Stein. I personally think even had them two not been on the ballot at all Bernie voters still probably just stay home. Hillary was cooked after the primaries with all the rigging stories.

[Thread]

elections should be audited even in the absence of the appearance of shenanigans; targeting only close results is shenanigans.

that said, it's very unlikely recounts will change the result. pressing the electoral process to the utmost comes off as greedy and desperate.

Nonetheless, every single time a Wisconsin ballot is recounted there should be a Trump operative standing over it. If Trump has to go to the judge to get that seat at the recount table put the matter into the courts. That's what courts are for. They'd still be counting in Dade County had Baker not put a stop to it.

As Peter Jennings said election night '00 turned into Wednesday morning:::"It's Florida."

Now:::It's Wisconsin.

[Winehole23]

eh, George Soros doesn't own Wisconsin. the power and reach of his tentacles is exaggerated.

[florige]

eh, George Soros doesn't own Wisconsin. the power and reach of his tentacles is exaggerated.


lol, From the talk of some people here you would think this guy was the emperor of planet earth or something.

[DMC]

Trump was wrong when he suggested PA was rife with voting fraud; Jill Stein is wrong too.

You know this because???

Or are you going to take the "I told you so" as if the recount proves anything at all about fraud?

[DMC]

Don't they have to get permission or some law bypassed in states where the statute of limitations has passed for a recount? Why have one if you can just ignore it?

[Winehole23]

You know this because???

Or are you going to take the "I told you so" as if the recount proves anything at all about fraud?The kind Trump talked barely is rarer than hen's teeth, but Jill Stein might be right about shenanigans with absentee ballots for all I know -- that's a much more plausible allegation than voter impersonation on its face.

You're right that I've merely presumed she's wrong. I disbelieve Jill Stein pretty much reflexively -- all out of integrity with me.

[Winehole23]

Don't they have to get permission or some law bypassed in states where the statute of limitations has passed for a recount? Why have one if you can just ignore it?I was arguing for the desirability of routine audits, not routine recounts. Universal recounts would obviously be onerous.

Why not have routine audits? God forbid a politician should ever be inconvenienced by the discovery of a tally that is incorrect or tampered with.

[DMC]

The kind Trump talked barely is rarer than hen's teeth, but Jill Stein might be right about shenanigans with absentee ballots for all I know -- that's a much more plausible allegation than voter impersonation on its face.

You're right that I've merely presumed she's wrong. I disbelieve Jill Stein pretty much reflexively -- all out of integrity with me.

You mean it's rarely been exposed?

Seems to me that fraud has to occur during the voting process. At that point, it would be easiest to detect. After the fact, a ballot is a ballot, so there's likely no real good way to determine if fraud occurred unless it was blatant by canvassing boards evident through recount.

With that said, I don't believe Stein either. I also don't believe Trump. I don't have any basis for disbelief other than the fact I generally require evidence to consider a claim true (if it matters).

[DMC]

I was arguing for the desirability of routine audits, not routine recounts. Universal recounts would obviously be onerous.

Why not have routine audits? God forbid a politician should ever be inconvenienced by the discovery of a tally that is incorrect or tampered with.

I think the voting process/counts should be isolated from the candidates. The problem with that is that partisanship runs through every aspect of society and business, so any committee formed to deal exclusively with voting issues needs oversight, and the oversight committee needs oversight. The best way available to provide it is through competing self interest. We simply cannot trust any group or individual to have autonomy at that level.

However my question was more about PA being recounted. I recall the 2000 election Florida recount had to occur by a certain time, then it was taken to court and extended, then again.

This is why I question statute of limitations in these cases. They are only going to affect political races that cannot afford to petition for exceptions.

[Winehole23]

You mean it's rarely been exposed?



In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence.

— Copi, Introduction to Logic (1953), p. 95
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

[Winehole23]

I think the voting process/counts should be isolated from the candidates. The problem with that is that partisanship runs through every aspect of society and business, so any committee formed to deal exclusively with voting issues needs oversight, and the oversight committee needs oversight. The best way available to provide it is through competing self interest. We simply cannot trust any group or individual to have autonomy at that level.

However my question was more about PA being recounted. I recall the 2000 election Florida recount had to occur by a certain time, then it was taken to court and extended, then again.

This is why I question statute of limitations in these cases. They are only going to affect political races that cannot afford to petition for exceptions.It's a vendible system of justice, if you can afford it.

[Winehole23]

some limitations would seem commonsensical. for example not permitting a recount one year after the election.

[DMC]

some limitations would seem commonsensical. for example not permitting a recount one year after the election.

Sure, but how is any statute of limitations any different just because more time has elapsed? Expired is expired.

[Axl Rose]

Nonetheless, every single time a Wisconsin ballot is recounted there should be a Trump operative standing over it. If Trump has to go to the judge to get that seat at the recount table put the matter into the courts. That's what courts are for. They'd still be counting in Dade County had Baker not put a stop to it.

As Peter Jennings said election night '00 turned into Wednesday morning:::"It's Florida."

Now:::It's Wisconsin.
Sadly that's probably not how they'd rig it. Who's been watching the ballots under 24 hour surveillance and lock and key? If someone slipped in 30k extra Hillary ballots into the pile, you could count them all correctly and she'd be the winner. And it's going to look fishy as hell if it happens, only thing we will be able to do is take to the streets. Maybe a civil war is what we need

[Winehole23]

Sure, but how is any statute of limitations any different just because more time has elapsed? Expired is expired.continuity of government depends (in our system) on a timed handover. dispensing with statutes of limitation for challenges to the election were to invite mischief and instability.

[DMC]

continuity of government depends (in our system) on a timed handover. dispensing with statutes of limitation for challenges to the election were to invite mischief and instability.

But it was done. I don't know the laws enough to know where the walls exist, perhaps there are secondary deadlines and drop dead dates that cannot be overridden except through an act of congress.

[Winehole23]

my impression was that this was all initiated within the deadlines, but I could be wrong. I know fuck all about election law, state by state.

[Winehole23]

The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts. html#ixzz4RJdcL83h

[Winehole23]

If a state never gets to name electors, the number needed to win goes down; a majority of those named is enough. Even with 260-232, Trump should win unless there wee lots of faithless electors...If someone has a majority of electoral votes submitted, the Senate and House open the tally and merely name the winner.