Could ST be wrong about Klay Thompson

[Raven]

Go check all the defensive metrics and get back at me. Durant is top 5 among SF and top 30 overall. Klay doesn't even appear on the top 40 SG (he's behind James Har_en :lol).

I don't know where this perception of Klay Thompson being anything more than an average defender came but it just isn't truth. Durant on the other hand is very underrated on that end and when engaged he can become a lockdown perimeter defender as well as a terrific rim protector. Anyone that watches games with a couple of functional eyes can realize that Durant >>>>>>>> Thompson on D.

oh please. If Durant was a better defender he would have had 8 titles by now.

[Mikeanaro]

Kawhi has no ego, he never stepped into the court thinking IM GONNA SCORE 70 POINTS FOR MY FAMS!
Klaynus has a shitty ego and gets assisted by his fellas to score this kind of crap against a depleted team, who cares?
If Kiwi were into that kind of crap would score A LOT MORE since he has a wider selection of shots.

[whitemamba]

Can a player play? :wakeup


:bobo
My nigga.

I will say this, spur fans in this thread bitching about assisted points because of KD, Ayesha and co. really exposes the retard in them. Kawhi is playing along side LMA, MVPau, with a good surrounding core of players , youngins and vets , and a HOF coach, and you faggots are talking about assisted points? John's post clearly states numbers wise Klay is the real deal. League is watered down in the SG position , especially since harden is a PG now, really its butler I guess even though he is a 3 I believe the majority of the time, Bradley beal, derozan and CJ? Give me klay over everyone minus butler. Like I said earlier if he is on any other team with less talent and he's in the drivers seat, I can't even imagine the numbers. If he had a better face up(triple threat position) where he could attach and finish strong with either hand, he'd be complete. On the warriors he plays team ball, pretty sure the dubs are leading the NBA in team assists.

[whitemamba]

Kawhi has no ego, he never stepped into the court thinking IM GONNA SCORE 70 POINTS FOR MY FAMS!
Klaynus has a shitty ego and gets assisted by his fellas to score this kind of crap against a depleted team, who cares?
If Kiwi were into that kind of crap would score A LOT MORE since he has a wider selection of shots.

If kiwi had that mentality he'd be the MVP. Stop hiding behind the truth u fucking wish he was like that.

[FkLA]

Really think you don't understand what makes a scorer. Kawhi can't score as easily as Klay, that's why Kawhi's FG% has gone down from last year with more attempts so far this year...And if we look at it, Klay is a better scorer.

3pt %
Klay: 39% ( BTW, Klay has shot better from 3 every season except one, nothing to do with assists. Klay is just a better shooter.)
Kawhi: 38%

Advantage Klay, and for their careers it's Klay as well.

2Pt FG% 2016

Klay: 55%
Kawhi: 49%

This year, advantage Klay. Kawhi's 2pt % has gone down with more shot attempts from last year. Again, Kawhi can't score as easily.

Overall FG%

Klay: 48%
Kawhi: 46% (down from last year with more shot attempts, while Klay's % has gone up with more shot attempts)

Klay is the better scorer

:lol I want to pat you on the head just for trying.

Your ability to analyze things is limited and it's not your fault, little buddy.

[Raven]

If kiwi had that mentality he'd be the MVP. Stop hiding behind the truth u fucking wish he was like that.

he'd also have less wins and titles

[whitemamba]

:lol I want to pat you on the head just for trying.

Your ability to analyze things is limited and it's not your fault, little buddy.

What a great counter argument when he clearly stated facts. It seems your reading ability needs to be analyzed.

[whitemamba]

he'd also have less wins and titles
In the past. Today's Kawhi needs to be more aggressive if you ask me. Sometimes it's good to be selfish.

[FkLA]

My nigga.

I will say this, spur fans in this thread bitching about assisted points because of KD, Ayesha and co. really exposes the retard in them. Kawhi is playing along side LMA, MVPau, with a good surrounding core of players , youngins and vets , and a HOF coach, and you faggots are talking about assisted points? John's post clearly states numbers wise Klay is the real deal. League is watered down in the SG position , especially since harden is a PG now, really its butler I guess even though he is a 3 I believe the majority of the time, Bradley beal, derozan and CJ? Give me klay over everyone minus butler. Like I said earlier if he is on any other team with less talent and he's in the drivers seat, I can't even imagine the numbers. If he had a better face up(triple threat position) where he could attach and finish strong with either hand, he'd be complete. On the warriors he plays team ball, pretty sure the dubs are leading the NBA in team assists.

Assisted % of star swingmen
Kawhi: 44%
Thompson: 81%


That's why we're talking about assisted points, dummy.

[whitemamba]

Assisted % of star swingmen
Kawhi: 44%
Thompson: 81%


That's why we're talking about assisted points, dummy.
Star swingmen? What the fuck kind of stat is that? I could free up klay Thompson if I set a screen , am I a star swingman?

[Robz4000]

Really think you don't understand what makes a scorer. Kawhi can't score as easily as Klay, that's why Kawhi's FG% has gone down from last year with more attempts so far this year...And if we look at it, Klay is a better scorer.

3pt %
Klay: 39% ( BTW, Klay has shot better from 3 every season except one, nothing to do with assists. Klay is just a better shooter.)
Kawhi: 38%

Advantage Klay, and for their careers it's Klay as well.

2Pt FG% 2016

Klay: 55%
Kawhi: 49%

This year, advantage Klay. Kawhi's 2pt % has gone down with more shot attempts from last year. Again, Kawhi can't score as easily.

Overall FG%

Klay: 48%
Kawhi: 46% (down from last year with more shot attempts, while Klay's % has gone up with more shot attempts)

Klay is the better scorer

In what way do those stats prove Thompson is the better scorer? Of course he'd have a marginally higher FG%: his shots are generally wide open. Both teams play different styles of ball. The Dubs' is much more fast-paced and free-flowing which helps generate great looks for shooters. Meanwhile the Spurs play at a slow pace and generate points through posting up, PnP, PnR, and a lot of ISO. Kawhi generates a lot of that offense; Klay is a beneficiary of his team's style of play.

[Robz4000]

My nigga.

I will say this, spur fans in this thread bitching about assisted points because of KD, Ayesha and co. really exposes the retard in them. Kawhi is playing along side LMA, MVPau, with a good surrounding core of players , youngins and vets , and a HOF coach, and you faggots are talking about assisted points? John's post clearly states numbers wise Klay is the real deal. League is watered down in the SG position , especially since harden is a PG now, really its butler I guess even though he is a 3 I believe the majority of the time, Bradley beal, derozan and CJ? Give me klay over everyone minus butler. Like I said earlier if he is on any other team with less talent and he's in the drivers seat, I can't even imagine the numbers. If he had a better face up(triple threat position) where he could attach and finish strong with either hand, he'd be complete. On the warriors he plays team ball, pretty sure the dubs are leading the NBA in team assists.

The fact you're implying in any way that LMA assists Kawhi at all in him scoring destroys your comment completely. LMA is getting better at passing, but he is nowhere near the playmaker you seem to think he is.

[FkLA]

What a great counter argument when he clearly stated facts. It seems your reading ability needs to be analyzed.

He used FG%s as his argument for what makes a scorer.

As a Kobe fan, that makes sense to you? So any player with higher FG%s (there's plenty) was a better scorer than Kirby?

[FkLA]

Star swingmen? What the fuck kind of stat is that? I could free up klay Thompson if I set a screen , am I a star swingman?

:lol 'star swingmen' was just to describe the list, you big dummy

DMC has some solid basketball minds backing him, tbh.

The stat is % of assisted FGs. Klay gets 81% of his FGs assisted. Kawhi 44%.

[whitemamba]

The fact you're implying in any way that LMA assists Kawhi at all in him scoring destroys your comment completely. LMA is getting better at passing, but he is nowhere near the playmaker you seem to think he is.
Robz.. if LMA is on the floor he is a threat , especially on the block. I'd be curious to see what Kawhi open shot % is, and curious to see how often LMA gets doubled. kawhi has plenty of help to make his scoring life easier , that's what I'm implying.

He used FG%s as his argument for what makes a scorer.

As a Kobe fan, that makes sense to you? So any player with higher FG%s was a better scorer than Kirby?

If your looking at both those percentages who would you rather have ? Especially seeing the trend going in different directions. put the names aside.

[whitemamba]

:lol 'star swingmen' was just to describe the list, you big dummy

DMC has some solid basketball minds backing him, tbh.

The stat is % of assisted FGs. Klay gets 81% of his FGs assisted. Kawhi 44%.
That's a pretty faggot way to describe it , why say star ? Because your trying to strengthen your shitty take. The warriors as a team average 32 a game...the warriors are better yes , better players yes. That doesn't mean klay isn't really good , they play team ball. Does it matter how he scores ? He's scoring in bunches, if he was on the sixers he'd be averaging 30 no pronlem.

[FkLA]

If your looking at both those percentages who would you rather have ? Especially seeing the trend going in different directions. put the names aside.

It's idiotic to use percentages as your basis when one player isn't a first option. First options receive the bulk of the attention from opposing defenses. Third/fourth options don't.

[Robz4000]

Robz.. if LMA is on the floor he is a threat , especially on the block. I'd be curious to see what Kawhi open shot % is, and curious to see how often LMA gets doubled. kawhi has plenty of help to make his scoring life easier , that's what I'm implying.


If your looking at both those percentages who would you rather have ? Especially seeing the trend going in different directions. put the names aside.

LMA doesn't create open shot opportunities for Kawhi; he presents another option to throw it to in order to generate points for the team. Other than that he's a pretty one-dimensional offensive player at this point, albeit he's showing flashes of a growing passing game ala Tim. When he's doubled he often has to throw it way out towards the half court line or make a choreographed pass back out to the perimeter to reset and reposition unless he takes one of his patented fadeaways. MVPau does offer some ability to get Kawhi open looks, but it's been a well-observed trend that the SL is basically ISO.

[FkLA]

That's a pretty faggot way to describe it , why say star ? Because your trying to strengthen your shitty take. The warriors as a team average 32 a game...the warriors are better yes , better players yes. That doesn't mean klay isn't really good , they play team ball. Does it matter how he scores ? He's scoring in bunches, if he was on the sixers he'd be averaging 30 no pronlem.

Apparently, calling Kawhi/Klaynus and the rest of the guys on the list 'star swingmen' is me trying to strengthen my take. :lol

You aren't smart enough for this discussion, brah. Sorry.

[FkLA]

LMA doesn't create open shot opportunities for Kawhi; he presents another option to throw it to in order to generate points for the team. Other than that he's a pretty one-dimensional offensive player at this point, albeit he's showing flashes of a growing passing game ala Tim. When he's doubled he often has to throw it way out towards the half court line or make a choreographed pass back out to the perimeter to reset and reposition unless he takes one of his patented fadeaways. MVPau does offer some ability to get Kawhi open looks, but it's been a well-observed trend that the SL is basically ISO.

You're wasting your time, brah.

[Kawhitstorm]

KL got cucked by Matt Barnes. They all get cucked. The basketball IQ of some of you idiots is amazingly low. Stick to trolling.

JR Smith actually made more 3s that Klay in '15 Finals & had the same eFG% in '16.:lmao

JR as the SECOND OPTION actually outplayed Klay in the last 2 games of the '15 Finals, it's just that Delly got gassed & the Cavs run out of bodies so they couldn't close the deal like '16.

[djohn2oo8]

In what way do those stats prove Thompson is the better scorer? Of course he'd have a marginally higher FG%: his shots are generally wide open. Both teams play different styles of ball. The Dubs' is much more fast-paced and free-flowing which helps generate great looks for shooters. Meanwhile the Spurs play at a slow pace and generate points through posting up, PnP, PnR, and a lot of ISO. Kawhi generates a lot of that offense; Klay is a beneficiary of his team's style of play.
lol you still have to make the shot, which he does regularly. Jesus.

[Robz4000]

lol you still have to make the shot, which he does regularly. Jesus.

So he's a better shooter; we've acknowledged as such. Being an elite shooter =! being an elite scorer. Matt Bonner could make wide open shots at a high rate, didn't make him an elite scorer.

[DAF86]

You're an idiot. Even without engaging.

Goddamn I have plowed the fields on this fucking farm. Plowed them I say.

Abandon the argunent and call it a win. Lesser minds go to move. :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Assisted % of star swingmen
Kawhi: 44%
Thompson: 81%


That's why we're talking about assisted points, dummy.

Expecting Kobrick stans to comprehend the existence of assists.:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

:lol 'star swingmen' was just to describe the list, you big dummy

DMC has some solid basketball minds backing him, tbh.

The stat is % of assisted FGs. Klay gets 81% of his FGs assisted. Kawhi 44%.

And Harden is assisted 11%. So what's your point?

[Robz4000]

And Harden is assisted 11%. So what's your point?

Harden is Houston's offensive engine and one of the best scorers in the game; Kawhi is a tier below. Thompson is a spot-up shooter.

[DAF86]

oh please. If Durant was a better defender he would have had 8 titles by now.

These type of retarded arguments make you feel sad for engaging on discussions with these guys. I feel ashamed, tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

So he's a better shooter; we've acknowledged as such. Being an elite shooter =! being an elite scorer. Matt Bonner could make wide open shots at a high rate, didn't make him an elite scorer.

1. Wait what? That depends on how many shots you are shooting and how often you make them. Thompson is an elite scorer.
2. Matt Bonner shot 2 threes a game. Not 9 like Thompson . Terrible comparison :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

And Harden is assisted 11%. So what's your point?

....89% of the rest comes from the refs.:lol


DeRozan and Harden spend summer study sessions in Los Angeles, where they examine every little opportunity to earn a whistle:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

....89% of the rest comes from the refs.:lol
Is that not scoring?

[Robz4000]

1. Wait what?
2. Matt Bonner shot 2 threes a game. Not 9 like Thompson :lmao :lmao :lmao

Scoring is the ability to get points in a variety of ways; shooting is an aspect of scoring. Thompson is one of the greatest shooters this game has seen, but doesn't have the ability to put the ball on the court and take a defender off the dribble, use footwork to generate separation for an open look, get to the line regularly, etc.

Matt Bonner could make his shots regularly like Thompson. Never brought total attempts into the discussion; was just using your logic to make a point.

[Kawhitstorm]

1. Wait what? That depends on how many shots you are shooting and how often you make them. Thompson is an elite scorer.
2. Matt Bonner shot 2 threes a game. Not 9 like Thompson . Terrible comparison :lol

Kawhi has the top mark for TS% among active players: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ts_pct_active_p.html

Choke Thompson is in the Dick Jefferson territory w/ the same amount of FGAs:rollin

[DAF86]

Getting to the line is a skill, tbh. Kawhi is working on it but still hasn't totally master it.

[Kawhitstorm]

Is that not scoring?

That sure worked for DeFrozen/HarDone in the postseason.:lol

Why won't the refs bail me out when I'm hunting down fouls::cry

J-9vIaMhm90

[DAF86]

If the Spurs had drafted Thompson instead of Kawhi like they planned, they wouldn't have got to b2b finals in '13 and '14 and they would be a middle of the pack team right now. If GS had Kawhi instead of Thompson they would be standing b2b defending champions right now.

[Kawhitstorm]

Getting to the line is a skill, tbh. Kawhi is working on it but still hasn't totally master it.

Except refs aren't going to call a foul for minor contacts in the postseason if players aren't in a normal shooting motion, Delly would have fouled out in the 1st quarter if he checked MVP Curry like he did in the '15 Finals.:lol

Last time I remember Kawhi getting to the line consistently was when he schooled Waiters w/ pump-fakes which is actually a normal shooting motion.

[Daniel Sedin]

:lol what a crock of shit with these posts... damage control ahead

[Robz4000]

:lol what a crock of shit with these posts... damage control ahead

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[Henrik Sedin]

:lol what a crock of shit with these posts... damage control ahead

good call. Robz4000 one step ahead of ya

[DAF86]

Really think you don't understand what makes a scorer. Kawhi can't score as easily as Klay, that's why Kawhi's FG% has gone down from last year with more attempts so far this year...And if we look at it, Klay is a better scorer.

3pt %
Klay: 39% ( BTW, Klay has shot better from 3 every season except one, nothing to do with assists. Klay is just a better shooter.)
Kawhi: 38%

Advantage Klay, and for their careers it's Klay as well.

2Pt FG% 2016

Klay: 55%
Kawhi: 49%

This year, advantage Klay. Kawhi's 2pt % has gone down with more shot attempts from last year. Again, Kawhi can't score as easily.

Overall FG%

Klay: 48%
Kawhi: 46% (down from last year with more shot attempts, while Klay's % has gone up with more shot attempts)

Klay is the better scorer

FG% really? That's your argument? :lol

Did you know that Durant is a career 48% shooter but is shooting 57% with the Warriors? A 10% improvement just for joining the Warriors. :lol

[Mikeanaro]

If kiwi had that mentality he'd be the MVP. Stop hiding behind the truth u fucking wish he was like that.
Not really, that kind of mentality ruins the team play, I prefer Lawhalecus stepping up his game than Kiwi getting accolades.

[FkLA]

And Harden is assisted 11%. So what's your point?

Harden is a phenomenal offensive player, little buddy. Better than both Kawhi and Klaynus on that end. He has nothing to do with this conversation.

[OrEmuN]

Really think you don't understand what makes a scorer. Kawhi can't score as easily as Klay, that's why Kawhi's FG% has gone down from last year with more attempts so far this year...And if we look at it, Klay is a better scorer.

3pt %
Klay: 39% ( BTW, Klay has shot better from 3 every season except one, nothing to do with assists. Klay is just a better shooter.)
Kawhi: 38%

Advantage Klay, and for their careers it's Klay as well.

2Pt FG% 2016

Klay: 55%
Kawhi: 49%

This year, advantage Klay. Kawhi's 2pt % has gone down with more shot attempts from last year. Again, Kawhi can't score as easily.

Overall FG%

Klay: 48%
Kawhi: 46% (down from last year with more shot attempts, while Klay's % has gone up with more shot attempts)

Klay is the better scorer

Making up fake stats eh?

Career FG%
Kawhi - 49.5%
Klay - 45.1%


Sources: NBA.com & Basketball Ref

[DMC]

After 1 quarter, GS has only 3 points. Everything else was assisted and we know those aren't scores.

[DMC]

Scoring is the ability to get points in a variety of ways; shooting is an aspect of scoring. Thompson is one of the greatest shooters this game has seen, but doesn't have the ability to put the ball on the court and take a defender off the dribble, use footwork to generate separation for an open look, get to the line regularly, etc.

Matt Bonner could make his shots regularly like Thompson. Never brought total attempts into the discussion; was just using your logic to make a point.

Scoring is when you shoot and it goes in and it's counted as points on the board. The other definition conveniently invented by people who don't play ball isn't recognized by the scoreboard as being any different.

[spurraider21]

Dunning–Kruger Effect

a cognitive bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias) in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority), mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacognition) incapacity, on the part of those with low ability, to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their competence accurately
ugh this is the same shit you spewed when everybody told you manziel was a predictable bust :lol

[FkLA]

After 1 quarter, GS has only 3 points. Everything else was assisted and we know those aren't scores.

Your fat hands must've been sweating with anticipation to release that sick burn at the end of the quarter, tbh.

[FkLA]

ugh this is the same shit you spewed when everybody told you manziel was a predictable bust :lol

tbf Football's problems were off the field and a source close to him tells me he's on the comeback trail.

[DMC]

Your fat hands must've been sweating with anticipation to release that sick burn at the end of the quarter, tbh.

I've got you on a string. Rent free up in that watermelon head of yours.

[FkLA]

I've got you on a string. Rent free up in that watermelon head of yours.

For sure. You're dominating everybody in this thread, big dawg.

[DMC]

For sure. You're dominating everybody in this thread, big dawg.

On a string. Go ahead, ask me another stupid question so I can ignore it.

[FkLA]

60 posts in the thread. Now resorting to non-basketball shit after getting owned.

But yeah, you got me on a string, big dawg. Put another tally in your win column. :lol :tu

[DMC]

60 posts in the thread. Now resorting to non-basketball shit after getting owned.

But yeah, you got me on a string, big dawg. Put another tally in your win column. :lol :tu

On a string.

[313]

The thing with Klay is, it's similar to when Curry first came on to the scene. In 2015 Curry was averaging less points than Westbrook, D Cousins, Anthony Davis, and Harden at 23.8 a game. Curry wasn't slashing through the lane like Westbrook or Harden, and you could argue that those two had more offensive skills than Curry, but it was the general consensus that because of how explosive Curry's scoring was and how great of shooter he was that he was better than those guys(some people debated this, I know).

its the same with Klay on smaller scale. No, he's not the best scorer in the league, but he's better than a lot of guys. His range is almost as far as Currys, and his release is almost just as quick. An open shot for him is not an open shot for Kawhi or almost anyone else in the league. And say what you will, but he's solid enough in other areas like shooting off the dribble and driving to say it's definitely not a weakness.

[FkLA]

On a string.

Yessir. Bullying me in the paint!

[Benoit]

Klay is the best 2-way player since Mamba only an idiot would disagree

[ezau]

Klay is an improved version of Josh Howard, tbh.

[Brazil]

:lol not sure I understand DMC stance on this one tbh

One thing is sure is when you read all the back and forth you have the feeling that one side thinks Klay is some sort of Michael Jordan and GSW best player :lol and from the other side that Klay is some sort of rich man's Reddick which is almost as silly.

Then you have the tons of unfairness like Klay is only good because the attention of the defense focused on Steph and Durant. Truth is, no team properly managed would go let's stop durant and curry and let klay do his stuff, nobody is doing that tbh... Also not sure why using % assisted is some sort of negatives, again that's silly, the team works to get his scorers open, Klay is part of the team. To score like that and having this % of shots assisted means you know how to play off the ball and playing off the ball is yes a competence when you evaluate an offensive player.

Don't get me wrong tho DMC stuff is just plain stupid, Klay is GSW dude and clearly better offensive player than Kawhi but the anti-klays are sometimes over the top too with the overrated, glorified reddick, not even top 20 stuff tbh

I'd keep my kawhi offensively without thinking too much over klay but let's not act like klay is some sort of scrub

[Brazil]

finally djohn should stick to his brilliant troll MJ tbh... not sure what's wrong with him lately :lol

[lefty]

Reddick would average 25 ppg in GS tbh

[Brazil]

Reddick would average 25 ppg in GS tbh

sure and it is even selling Red dick short tbh... IMO also Kyle Anderson would be an easy 20 pts 6 assists pg tbf

[DMC]

^ and ^^ More proof by prognostication.

[djohn2oo8]

The thing with Klay is, it's similar to when Curry first came on to the scene. In 2015 Curry was averaging less points than Westbrook, D Cousins, Anthony Davis, and Harden at 23.8 a game. Curry wasn't slashing through the lane like Westbrook or Harden, and you could argue that those two had more offensive skills than Curry, but it was the general consensus that because of how explosive Curry's scoring was and how great of shooter he was that he was better than those guys(some people debated this, I know).

its the same with Klay on smaller scale. No, he's not the best scorer in the league, but he's better than a lot of guys. His range is almost as far as Currys, and his release is almost just as quick. An open shot for him is not an open shot for Kawhi or almost anyone else in the league. And say what you will, but he's solid enough in other areas like shooting off the dribble and driving to say it's definitely not a weakness.

This. Good to see you aren't a homer like some of these other nigs.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'd love to have Klay Thompson on my team, despite his tendency to under-perform in the playoffs, tbh..it's always great to have players that can be effective without the ball, especially if they aren't a liability on defense..

However, I don't see how he can be compared to players that carry their teams..for example, if you put him on the Spurs instead of Kawhi, they wouldn't have a single player that could consistently create a shot in the halfcourt:lol..it would be painful to watch..

From what I remember of the 90s, his offensive game reminds me of Glen Rice(somebody that remembers those days more vividly could correct me, though)..

[ElNono]

brah kerr never even averaged 3 attempts per game from deep. different animal, while also being one of the better defenders at his position

scrah, league has changed, everybody volume shooting from 3 now... a shooter like Kerr would be a premium in :lol today's NBA...

[Kawhitstorm]

From what I remember of the 90s, his offensive game reminds me of Glen Rice(somebody that remembers those days more vividly could correct me, though)..

He's more like Allan Houston who was also light skin beta & had a tendency to disappear, Rice was a bonafide alpha.

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[ambchang]

I'd love to have Klay Thompson on my team, despite his tendency to under-perform in the playoffs, tbh..it's always great to have players that can be effective without the ball, especially if they aren't a liability on defense..

However, I don't see how he can be compared to players that carry their teams..for example, if you put him on the Spurs instead of Kawhi, they wouldn't have a single player that could consistently create a shot in the halfcourt:lol..it would be painful to watch..

From what I remember of the 90s, his offensive game reminds me of Glen Rice(somebody that remembers those days more vividly could correct me, though)..

Glen rice created a lot of shots. Reminds me more of Dell curry.

[313]

Put Klay on the Spurs and he wouldn't be able to do the things that Kawhi does, but it's the same vice verse. Both of their respective teams play to their strengths.I would take Kawhi for the Spurs 10/10, and I would take Klay for the Warriors 10/10. Doesn't take anything away from either player imo

[313]

09AqpNPiZ8g

We'll have to wait and see if Kawhi's brand of offense can generate games like this in the playoffs.

[DMC]

Put Klay on the Spurs and he wouldn't be able to do the things that Kawhi does, but it's the same vice verse. Both of their respective teams play to their strengths.I would take Kawhi for the Spurs 10/10, and I would take Klay for the Warriors 10/10. Doesn't take anything away from either player imo

I'd take KL on the Warriors over Klay if for no other reason than defense. Oakland has elite scoring even without Klay, but to have the best two perimeter defenders in the game on the same team? That could be the end of the NBA. Klay isn't in the same league overall as Leonard, but that's because KL is so good at defense and good enough at offense to dwarf Klay overall.

[FkLA]

09AqpNPiZ8g

We'll have to wait and see if Kawhi's brand of offense can generate games like this in the playoffs.

Klaynus' brand of offense has done it once. Just like he's scored 60 once.

What is it with idiots and their fascination for career highs? It's like all the other games become irrelevant bc :cry he scored 60 :cry.

[Down Under]

What about if you swapped Danny Green with Klay Thompson in the playoffs?

[Kawhitstorm]

Getting locked up by washed up Tony Allen who outscored him while making more 3s.:rollin

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao

Three terrible games in a row now...

Inconsistent even with Curry and Durant providng that much spacing.

[DAF86]

Put Klay on the Spurs and he wouldn't be able to do the things that Kawhi does, but it's the same vice verse. Both of their respective teams play to their strengths.I would take Kawhi for the Spurs 10/10, and I would take Klay for the Warriors 10/10. Doesn't take anything away from either player imo

Kawhi would beast on the Klay role. That's basically how he got finals MVP in '14. If Kawhi shoots 40% on 3 as the main guy, imagine how much he would shoot getting open looks on the Warriors.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi would beast on the Klay role. That's basically how he got finals MVP in '14. If Kawhi shoots 40% on 3 as the main guy, imagine how much he would shoot getting open looks on the Warriors.

Not to mention Klay can't guard LeBron even for one possession.:lol

[DMC]

The single game anecdotal evidence crew is in full swing along with the obligatory strawman that someone said Klay was a better player than Kawhi.

[apalisoc_9]

The single game anecdotal evidence crew is in full swing along with the obligatory strawman that someone said Klay was a better player than Kawhi.

Dude you're a fatass. You've lost the plot a long time ago.

Of course, I have a better diet..Did you not see me only eat 1500 calories in Oct 15, but DMC consumes 4000 calories on average though....You eat 2400 calories everyday.

[Mikeanaro]

:lol

[DMC]

Dude you're a fatass. You've lost the plot a long time ago.

Of course, I have a better diet..Did you not see me only eat 1500 calories in Oct 15, but DMC consumes 4000 calories on average though....You eat 2400 calories everyday.

You're an immigrant, lucky to get anything at all to eat.

[Ice009]

Put Klay on the Spurs and he wouldn't be able to do the things that Kawhi does, but it's the same vice verse. Both of their respective teams play to their strengths.I would take Kawhi for the Spurs 10/10, and I would take Klay for the Warriors 10/10. Doesn't take anything away from either player imo

Are you saying the Warriors wouldn't take Kawhi if offered up in a trade? I'm pretty sure they'll send Thompson packing immediately. I wonder who they'd be willing to trade if he was offered straight up.

[djohn2oo8]

Are you saying the Warriors wouldn't take Kawhi if offered up in a trade? I'm pretty sure they'll send Thompson packing immediately. I wonder who they'd be willing to trade if he was offered straight up.

Why would they? They need interior defense.

[313]

Are you saying the Warriors wouldn't take Kawhi if offered up in a trade? I'm pretty sure they'll send Thompson packing immediately. I wonder who they'd be willing to trade if he was offered straight up.
They didn't need KD, but they gave up tons of shit for him. So yes, they probably would take Kawhi just off the fact that he's a top 10 player, but it would not be worthwhile for them, imo. Their interior defense would still be trash, and Kawhi isn't the shooter Klay is.

Klay fits their system better, I don't see why SF can't accept that :lol

[313]

Kawhi would beast on the Klay role. That's basically how he got finals MVP in '14. If Kawhi shoots 40% on 3 as the main guy, imagine how much he would shoot getting open looks on the Warriors.Kawhi would do fine there, I'm sure, but a Kawhi open three, is not a Klay open three.


Not to mention Klay can't guard LeBron even for one possession.:lolKlay isn't needed to guard LeBron, that's why they have KD, Dray, and Iggy :lol

[DMC]

Kawhi would do fine there, I'm sure, but a Kawhi open three, is not a Klay open three.

Klay isn't needed to guard LeBron, that's why they have KD, Dray, and Iggy :lol

But there's something to be said for Lebron not having the luxury of switching his defender for a mismatch. Switch from Iggy to Kawhi? Switch from Kawhi to Draymond? Draymond to KD? None of those would be desirable for Lebron.

You take Kawhi over Thompson no questions asked. Kawhi can carry you on offense if needed (wouldn't be needed) but Thompson cannot carry you on defense.

[DAF86]

Why would they? They need interior defense.

Something that trading Klay for Kawhi would increase dramatically. Yeah, Kawhi isn't Gobbert or DeAndre Jordan, but he's on that Lebron, Durant, greak freak mold of small forwards that more than held their own when challenging shots at the rim or battling for rebounds.

There's virtually no aspect of the game in which Thompson is clearly better than Kawhi (other than a quick release) for anybody with a brain to prefer to have Klay instead of Leonard.

[313]

But there's something to be said for Lebron not having the luxury of switching his defender for a mismatch. Switch from Iggy to Kawhi? Switch from Kawhi to Draymond? Draymond to KD? None of those would be desirable for Lebron.

You take Kawhi over Thompson no questions asked. Kawhi can carry you on offense if needed (wouldn't be needed) but Thompson cannot carry you on defense.
Meh,but is it necessary?

They did a fine job defending him in 2015, and were containing him(as well as you can contain him) in 2016 until Bogut went down. Would having Kawhi instead of Klay those last three games without Bogut, possibly have saved them? Maybe. But their perimeter isn't their weakness, it's their interior defense.

[DAF86]

They didn't need KD, but they gave up tons of shit for him. So yes, they probably would take Kawhi just off the fact that he's a top 10 player, but it would not be worthwhile for them, imo. Their interior defense would still be trash, and Kawhi isn't the shooter Klay is.

Klay fits their system better, I don't see why SF can't accept that :lol

Why wouldn't be "worthwhile" if we are talking about a fucking straight up trade? :lol

[313]

Why wouldn't be "worthwhile" if we are talking about a fucking straight up trade? :lol
Because the Dubs don't need another ball handler or defender. What they need from Klay, he does at an elite level, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the league who could fill Klay's role on the Warriors better. It's not a slight to Kawhi, who I've said is the better overall player..

[DMC]

Meh,but is it necessary?

They did a fine job defending him in 2015, and were containing him(as well as you can contain him) in 2016 until Bogut went down. Would having Kawhi instead of Klay those last three games without Bogut, possibly have saved them? Maybe. But their perimeter isn't their weakness, it's their interior defense.

They are weaker overall on defense than on offense. Cleveland doesn't have anyone that needs to be defended in the post, only guys who can get past the perimeter defenders.

[Kawhitstorm]

Klay isn't needed to guard LeBron, that's why they have KD, Dray, and Iggy :lol

Yeah they didn't need Klay to guard LeBron when Iggy was writhing in pain after his back went out.:sleep

[313]

Yeah they didn't need Klay to guard LeBron when Iggy was writhing in pain after his back went out.:sleep
Injuries happen :sleep

[Kawhitstorm]

Injuries happen :sleep

Which is when teammates are supposed to take on more responsibilities especially so-called "superstars".:sleep

[djohn2oo8]

Something that trading Klay for Kawhi would increase dramatically. Yeah, Kawhi isn't Gobbert or DeAndre Jordan, but he's on that Lebron, Durant, greak freak mold of small forwards that more than held their own when challenging shots at the rim or battling for rebounds.

There's virtually no aspect of the game in which Thompson is clearly better than Kawhi (other than a quick release) for anybody with a brain to prefer to have Klay instead of Leonard.

Thats where some of you Spurfans are so sensitive. Did anyone say Klay was the better player? Klay is the better OFFENSIVE player. Thats not a slight. Thats just the truth.

[313]

They are weaker overall on defense than on offense. Cleveland doesn't have anyone that needs to be defended in the post, only guys who can get past the perimeter defenders.
Yeah, they're weaker on defense, but their perimeter defense isn't their weakness on defense. By interior defense, I meant they need a shot blocker like they had with bogut. You can put any defender(Kawhi, Iggy, PG24, etc) on LeBron(or Kyrie, KD, Westbrook, Harden, any good wing scorer etc) and he'll get by them, whether by force or with a pick n roll. Dubs don't need a post defender, they need a shot blocker. Kawhi won't fix that.

[313]

Thats where some of you Spurfans are so sensitive. Did anyone say Klay was the better player? Klay is the better OFFENSIVE player. Thats not a slight. Thats just the truth.
They're delusional. To them, saying Klaybis a better fit for the warriors = Klay is better thank Kawhi, even if you state otherwise :lol

[FkLA]

he scored 60 in 29 mins though :cry

that alone makes him a better offensive player than Kawhi :cry

[FkLA]

Thats where some of you Spurfans are so sensitive. Did anyone say Klay was the better player? Klay is the better OFFENSIVE player. Thats not a slight. Thats just the truth.

:lmao :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

he scored 60 in 29 mins though :cry

that alone makes him a better offensive player than Kawhi :cry
lol sensitive...Does Kawhi have the ability to score 37 in a quarter?

[024]

I remember when people on this forum were arguing Danny Green was a better player than Klay Thompson :lol Not just better defender but better overall player. So yes, they are wrong. Wake me up when Green can score 40-60 points so effortlessly.

[Mikeanaro]

lol sensitive...Does Kawhi have the ability to score 37 in a quarter?
Not under Greg Poclovic, and Klaynus could not do it with Pop either.

[140]

lol sensitive...Does Kawhi have the ability to score 37 in a quarter?
So I guess Klay is also a better offensive player than Harden...

sound logic :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Not under Greg Poclovic, and Klaynus could not do it with Pop either.
But Kawhi's usage rate is at a career high. It's not Pop's fault Kawhi isn't as an explosive of a scorer.

[djohn2oo8]

So I guess Klay is also a better offensive player than Harden...

sound logic :lol
Klay is a better scorer. Harden is the better playmaker.

[FkLA]

lol sensitive...Does Kawhi have the ability to score 37 in a quarter?

Predictable that you would use one quarter or one game as your argument. I guess the rest of the games don't matter.

MJ never scored 37 in a quarter. Is Klaynus a better offensive player than him too?

[Mikeanaro]

But Kawhi's usage rate is at a career high. It's not Pop's fault Kawhi isn't as an explosive of a scorer.
Playing for a team, not hogging the ball if we say something like that then David Robinson is a much better scorer that Klaynus, 71 points no 3 pointers.

[140]

Klay is a better scorer. Harden is the better playmaker.
:lmao

[FkLA]

Even if we ignore the fact that one is a complimentary player and the other is an alpha whom opposing defenses focus on, there just isn't anything to support the claim that Klaynus is a better offensive player.

Kawhi- 24.7 PPG on 47/40/91
Klaynus- 21.5 PPG on 47/38/89

Kawhi- 7 30+ pt games, 21 20+ pt games, held under 20 pts three times, held at or under 15 pts once, season low is 14 pts
Klaynus- 2 30+ pts games, 14 20+ pt games, held under 20 pts eleven times, held at or under 15 pts eight times, season low is 8 pts



But but Klaynus scored 37 in a quarter once. And he scored 60 in 29 minutes. That automatically makes him a better offensive player despite what the the numbers suggest. :madrun

[Mikeanaro]

I remember when Lollard was beasting just a couple years ago, looked unstoppable and what now?
2 hot games every a couple of months is not something to write home about... losing to memphis with KD DG SC and Iguonada and Klaynus was there.

[Mikeanaro]

Even if we ignore the fact that one is a complimentary player and the other is an alpha whom opposing defenses focus on, there just isn't anything to support the claim that Klaynus is a better offensive player.

Kawhi- 24.7 PPG on 47/40/91
Klaynus- 21.5 PPG on 47/38/89

Kawhi- 7 30+ pt games, 21 20+ pt games, held under 20 pts three times, held under at or under15 once, season low is 14 pts
Klaynus- 2 30+ pts games, 14 20+ pt games, held under 20 pts eleven times, held at or under 15 pts eight times, season low is 8 pts



But but Klaynus scored 37 in a quarter once. And he scored 60 in 29 minutes. That automatically makes him a better offensive player despite what the the numbers suggest. :madrun
And dont forget the other night Kiwi was being triple teamed.

[DMC]

So I guess Klay is also a better offensive player than Harden...

sound logic :lol

He's not. Harden can generate more points than Klay on average under more conditions simply because of his ability to draw fouls, shoot the 3 and get to the rim. He's also an elite ball handler most of the time.

[FkLA]

Kawhi would do fine there, I'm sure, but a Kawhi open three, is not a Klay open three.

You're right. A Kawhi open three has a higher chance of going in than a Klaynus open three.

[140]

He's not. Harden can generate more points than Klay on average under more conditions simply because of his ability to draw fouls, shoot the 3 and get to the rim. He's also an elite ball handler most of the time.
You don't have to tell me that :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Predictable that you would use one quarter or one game as your argument. I guess the rest of the games don't matter.

MJ never scored 37 in a quarter. Is Klaynus a better offensive player than him too?

I asked you if Kawhi has the ability, meaning, does Kawhi have the jumpshot to even think about scoring that much in one quarter? No he doesn't. And you are right MJ never scored 37 in a quarter, he has scored 39 in one half (Still more than Kawhi could dream about) . It's a much more 3 point oriented game today...So don't try to compare.

[DMC]

You're right. A Kawhi open three has a higher chance of going in than a Klaynus open three.

Because Kawhi has a wider open look when he shoots the 3. Marc Gasol has a higher percentage than either of them and better than Kevin Durant. So is Marc Gasol a bigger 3pt threat than Klay, KD and Kawhi? No, because Klay has attempted 184 3's while Mark has attempted less than 100. Kawhi has attempted 118 3's. So Kawhi isn't looking for the 3 as often as Klay is, because Kawhi isn't as prolific a 3pt scorer as Klay. If KL could launch that many more attempts in the same time frame and remain less than 1 percentage point lower than his current, don't you think he would?

Likewise, if Tony Parker could play and shoot like Curry, and if Danny Green had KD's attributes, how many points per game would Kawhi get?

[djohn2oo8]

You're right. A Kawhi open three has a higher chance of going in than a Klaynus open three.
Oh is that why Klay is a better career 3 point shooter? :rollin

[FkLA]

I asked you if Kawhi has the ability, meaning, does Kawhi have the jumpshot to even think about scoring that much in one quarter? No he doesn't. And you are right MJ never scored 37 in a quarter, he has scored 39 in one half (Still more than Kawhi could dream about) . It's a much more 3 point oriented game today...So don't try to compare.

Have you even watched Kawhi play recently? Probably has the best midrange shot in the league. Shot 44% last season and is shooting 40% this season on 3PTers (higher percentage than Klaynus both years). His jumpshot is just fine, imbecile.

What's your expert analysis on this?:

Kawhi- 24.7 PPG on 47/40/91
Klaynus- 21.5 PPG on 47/38/89

Kawhi- 7 30+ pt games, 21 20+ pt games, held under 20 pts three times, held under at or under15 once, season low is 14 pts
Klaynus- 2 30+ pts games, 14 20+ pt games, held under 20 pts eleven times, held at or under 15 pts eight times, season low is 8 pts

[FkLA]

Oh is that why Klay is a better career 3 point shooter? :rollin

Who's higher the last two years?

[djohn2oo8]

Have you even watched Kawhi play recently? Probably has the best midrange shot in the league. Shot 44% last season and is shooting 40% this season on 3PTers (higher percentage than Klaynus both years). His jumpshot is just fine, imbecile.

What's your expert analysis on this?:
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Kawhi doesn't take as many 3's as Klay, moron. :lol

And what are you boasting about? They are almost scoring the same amount of points with Kawhi having the higher usage rate :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Who's higher the last two years?

Kawhi takes LESS 3 pointers than Klay :lol

The attempts are not the same.

[FkLA]

Kawhi has attempted 118 3's. So Kawhi isn't looking for the 3 as often as Klay is, because Kawhi isn't as prolific a 3pt scorer as Klay. If KL could launch that many more attempts in the same time frame and remain less than 1 percentage point lower than his current, don't you think he would?

Or it could also be a combination of other things. Like the fact that Kawhi doesn't have as many open threes generated for him because he doesn't play on an explosive offensive team, and doesn't have KD and Curry as teammates. Or the fact that Kawhi's offensive game is much more well-rounded than Klaynus' (who's only elite skill is shooting).

[djohn2oo8]

Or it could also be a combination of other things. Like the fact that Kawhi doesn't have as many open threes generated for him because he doesn't play on an explosive offensive team, and doesn't have KD and Curry as teammates. Or the fact that Kawhi's offensive game is much more well-rounded than Klaynus' (who's only elite skill is shooting).
84% of Ray Allen's 3 pointers made were assisted. 93% of Klay's career 3's have been assisted. So what? Great 3 point shooters find ways to get open.

[djohn2oo8]

Oh yeah, and 80% of Kawhi's 3's are assisted. He could shoot more if he really wanted to.

[FkLA]

Kawhi doesn't take as many 3's as Klay, moron. :lol

And what are you boasting about? They are almost scoring the same amount of points with Kawhi having the higher usage rate :lol

He does have a higher usage rate which leads us back to square one. Kawhi is an alpha on an elite team, putting up his points while being the opposing defense's main focus. Klaynus is a gamma, playing a complimentary role and getting assisted on 85% of his shots.

That's why I preceded that post by saying let's ignore that. Because your argument becomes that much shittier if we don't.

[DMC]

Or it could also be a combination of other things. Like the fact that Kawhi doesn't have as many open threes generated for him because he doesn't play on an explosive offensive team, and doesn't have KD and Curry as teammates. Or the fact that Kawhi's offensive game is much more well-rounded than Klaynus' (who's only elite skill is shooting).

He doesn't have open 3s generated for him because he doesn't move as well without the ball, and he doesn't have the quick release ability that Klay has. Oddly LMA also doesn't have as many open threes generated for him. If KL is the heart of the offense on a team that's not offensively explosive, what does that say about Kawhi?

Why is everything good a result of Kawhi but the limitations are a result of the team or the system? On the other side, why is everything good from Klay a result of the system but the limitations are a result of Klay?

No middle ground?

Homer takes are quite easy to spot.

[FkLA]

84% of Ray Allen's 3 pointers made were assisted. 93% of Klay's career 3's have been assisted. So what? Great 3 point shooters find ways to get open.


Oh yeah, and 80% of Kawhi's 3's are assisted. He could shoot more if he really wanted to.

On second though, I don't even know why I bother with you. You are the guy who adamantly supported going offense first in college football OT. You aren't smart enough for this discussion.

[DMC]

He does have a higher usage rate which leads us back to square one. Kawhi is an alpha on an elite team, putting up his points while being the opposing defense's main focus. Klaynus is a gamma, playing a complimentary role and getting assisted on 85% of his shots.

That's why I preceded that post by saying let's ignore that. Because your argument becomes that much shittier if we don't.

If Klay was the focus on offense, he'd be averaging several ppg higher. You could twist that to say he wouldn't have open looks because he'd be covered, but that's like saying Kawhi is better at the 3 through defense than is Klay. We know better.

[FkLA]

He doesn't have open 3s generated for him because he doesn't move as well without the ball, and he doesn't have the quick release ability that Klay has. Oddly LMA also doesn't have as many open threes generated for him. If KL is the heart of the offense on a team that's not offensively explosive, what does that say about Kawhi?

Why is everything good a result of Kawhi but the limitations are a result of the team or the system? On the other side, why is everything good from Klay a result of the system but the limitations are a result of Klay?

No middle ground?

Homer takes are quite easy to spot.

It says that despite the strides he's made in that area, he still isn't an elite playmaker. Far from it. No shame in that. He doesn't have to be one to still be a better offensive player than Klaynus, since Klaynus' playmaking ability is non-existent.

[FkLA]

If Klay was the focus on offense, he'd be averaging several ppg higher. You could twist that to say he wouldn't have open looks because he'd be covered, but that's like saying Kawhi is better at the 3 through defense than is Klay. We know better.

He wouldn't be the main offensive focus on any half decent team, much less a team as good as the Spurs. He's an inconsistent scorer as a complimentary player. That would only get worse with added pressure from opposing defenses. If he's just going full Kirby I guess his averages would go up but his percentages would surely take a big dip.

[djohn2oo8]

He does have a higher usage rate which leads us back to square one. Kawhi is an alpha on an elite team, putting up his points while being the opposing defense's main focus. Klaynus is a gamma, playing a complimentary role and getting assisted on 85% of his shots.

That's why I preceded that post by saying let's ignore that. Because your argument becomes that much shittier if we don't.
Kawhi is not setting up his teammates though. He will be easy to shut down in the playoffs if he doesn't get better at that. Oh, and Klay can get open more effortlessly than Kawhi can.

[djohn2oo8]

He wouldn't be the main offensive focus on any half decent team, much less a team as good as the Spurs. He's an inconsistent scorer as a complimentary player. That would only get worse with added pressure from opposing defenses. If he's just going full Kirby I guess his averages would go up but his percentages would surely take a big dip.
shooting 47% as a complimentary player is inconsistent?

[FkLA]

shooting 47% as a complimentary player is inconsistent?

What do you call having a 60 point game, a 10 point game, and an 8 point game during a 4-game span, imbecile?

[djohn2oo8]

What do you call having a 60 point game, a 10 point game, and an 8 point game during a 4-game span, imbecile?

In a season of 82 games, you are using 4 games to gauge inconsistency :lmao

[FkLA]

In a season of 82 games, you are using 4 games to gauge inconsistency :lmao

How about being held at or under 15 pts 1/3rd of the time so far this season?

Last time I respond to you until you stop being such an imbecile, tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

How about being held at or under 15 pts 1/3rd of the time so far this season?

Last time I respond to you until you stop being such an imbecile, tbh.

It's only been 24 games for them, so that would be a total of 8 whole games :lmao

That must have brought his average down soooooooo much :lmao

[FkLA]

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[DAF86]

Because the Dubs don't need another ball handler or defender. What they need from Klay, he does at an elite level, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the league who could fill Klay's role on the Warriors better. It's not a slight to Kawhi, who I've said is the better overall player..

They do need another defender. Specially one that plays bigger than his height.

[DMC]

Last year Klay averaged more PPG than Kawhi even though no one on the Spurs averaged higher than Kawhi. That's an 82 game sample. Right now you want to use a sample about 30% that size to overrule the past however many games based on the notion that Kawhi has somehow become better than Klay on offense, because he's relied on more than in the past.

I guess Westbrook is better than Kobe or MJ based on the same sample size.

[DAF86]

Thats where some of you Spurfans are so sensitive. Did anyone say Klay was the better player? Klay is the better OFFENSIVE player. Thats not a slight. Thats just the truth.

Why you moving goal posts son? This is what I quoted from you:


Why would they? They need interior defense.

There's nothing there about who is the better offensive player, tbh.

And btw, Klay being the better offensive player is highly debatable, probably wrong, tbh.

[DAF86]

I asked you if Kawhi has the ability, meaning, does Kawhi have the jumpshot to even think about scoring that much in one quarter? No he doesn't. And you are right MJ never scored 37 in a quarter, he has scored 39 in one half (Still more than Kawhi could dream about) . It's a much more 3 point oriented game today...So don't try to compare.

The jumper? Is this guy seriiusly knocking off on Kawhi's jumper? A 50/40/90 guy? A guy that hits jumpers coming off screens, on spot ups and off the dribble at an elite clip? :lol

The fuck are we doing with arguing with this guy? It's obvious he just doesn't know shit about Kawhi's game.

[djohn2oo8]

Why you moving goal posts son? This is what I quoted from you:



There's nothing there about who is the better offensive player, tbh.

And btw, Klay being the better offensive player is highly debatable, probably wrong, tbh.
No it isn't really debatable. Klay is better on offense. Klay gets open more effortlessly. He has a quicker release that allows him to score in bunches.

[DAF86]

No it isn't really debatable. Klay is better on offense. Klay gets open more effortlessly. He has a quicker release that allows him to score in bunches.

Dude, you laughed at Kawhi > Aldridge. Realize that you have a serious problem when it comes to analyzing Kawhi's game.

[djohn2oo8]

The jumper? Is this guy seriiusly knocking off on Kawhi's jumper? A 50/40/90 guy? A guy that hits jumpers coming off screens, on spot ups and off the dribble at an elite clip? :lol

The fuck are we doing with arguing with this guy? It's obvious he just doesn't know shit about Kawhi's game.
lol Christ you sensitive asses need to quit it. 60 points in 29 minutes points to whose jumpshot is better and more effective. What is Kawhi's career high in points? How about in a quarter?

[DAF86]

Kawhi on the Warriors would probably be shooting 57% from the field as Durant is doing, tbh.

[FkLA]

Last year Klay averaged more PPG than Kawhi even though no one on the Spurs averaged higher than Kawhi. That's an 82 game sample. Right now you want to use a sample about 30% that size to overrule the past however many games based on the notion that Kawhi has somehow become better than Klay on offense, because he's relied on more than in the past.

I guess Westbrook is better than Kobe or MJ based on the same sample size.

He's better than him on offense just by virtue of being the alpha on an elite team while Klay is a gamma. Him having better numbers is just insult to injury.

Kawhi continues to improve offensively year to year. There's really no disputing that. It's not farfetched at all to say that at some point Klay was better offensively, but now he isn't. You can be skeptical about his ability to keep up his scoring average, but he's shown no signs of slowing down. I'm willing to bet any amount of your liking that Kawhi ends up averaging more PPG this year than Klay has in any year of his career.

[DAF86]

lol Christ you sensitive asses need to quit it. 60 points in 29 minutes points to whose jumpshot is better and more effective. What is Kawhi's career high in points? How about in a quarter?

"60 pts in 29 minutes" the new "four rings faggot" :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Dude, you laughed at Kawhi > Aldridge. Realize that you have a serious problem when it comes to analyzing Kawhi's game.
Kawhi's game was analyzed and shut down pretty well the last two playoff runs. While Klay was carrying the Warriors from certain death.

[djohn2oo8]

He's better than him on offense just by virtue of being the alpha on an elite team while Klay is a gamma.
.

What? :rollin :rollin :rollin

[djohn2oo8]

Kawhi on the Warriors would probably be shooting 57% from the field as Durant is doing, tbh.
Doubtful

[FkLA]

"60 pts in 29 minutes" the new "four rings faggot" :lmao

60 points in 29 minutes or 37 points in 1 quarter is basically his whole argument. Nothing else matters.

Do as I did and just stop responding to him, brah.

[FkLA]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/84b46d362d5dbb7aac0be692b0b01dc2/tumblr_nj6cg4I6Xh1trbh6do1_400.gif

[djohn2oo8]

60 points in 29 minutes or 37 points in 1 quarter is basically his whole argument. Nothing else matters.

Do as I did and just stop responding to him, brah.
Yeah, because using 4 games to determine what is inconsistent is very analytical. :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

84% of Ray Allen's 3 pointers made were assisted. 93% of Klay's career 3's have been assisted. So what? Great 3 point shooters find ways to get open.

During the '07-'08 season, Ray Allen was assisted on 80% of his 3s meanwhile Klay has been assisted on :wow100%:wow of his 3s this season.http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html#shooting::24 :lmao (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html#shooting::24)

[djohn2oo8]

During the '07-'08 season, Ray Allen was assisted on 80% of his 3s meanwhile Klay has been assisted on :wow100%:wow of his made 3s this season.:lmao

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html#shooting::24
Which means they were both great at getting open.

[DAF86]

Kawhi's game was analyzed and shut down pretty well the last two playoff runs. While Klay was carrying the Warriors from certain death.

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/LeonardMVP.jpg

Laughing at Kawhi > Aldridge. That has to be one of the worst moments of ST's history, tbh. :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=kawhi+finals+mvp&client=ms-alps-full_s5222-ar&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizgKTFtu3QAhVIFJAKHfLZB1QQ_AUIBygB&biw=528&bih=239#imgrc=NGXnwP5gtumaLM%3A

Laughing at Kawhi > Aldridge. That has to be one of the worst moments of ST's history, tbh. :lmao
No, that would be when some morons on here claimed he was better than Durant.

[Kawhitstorm]

Which means they were both great at getting open.

:cryBut...but...but...Kawhi is assisted on 80% of his 3s.:cry

[DAF86]

No, that would be when some morons on here claimed he was better than Durant.

That's a hell of a lot more plausible than thinkg Aldridge > Kawhi. :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

No, that would be when some morons on here claimed he was better than Durant.

Dominos got rescued by WestBrick in the pivotal Gm 5 when Kawhi was dominating him, meanwhile Softridge choked: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201605100SAS.html

[FkLA]

During the '07-'08 season, Ray Allen was assisted on 80% of his 3s meanwhile Klay has been assisted on :wow100%:wow of his 3s this season.http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html#shooting::24 :lmao (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html#shooting::24)

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Robin-Lopez-Suns-Bench-Shock-Reaction.gif


Which means they were both great at getting open.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6moKveCX-io/hqdefault.jpg


:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Dominos got rescued by WestBrick in the pivotal Gm 5 when Kawhi was dominating him, meanwhile Softridge choked: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201605100SAS.html

:lmao Durant averaged 28.5 and 6 on 50% shooting that series. Westbrook shot 37%. Kawhi had 17 turnovers that series.

[djohn2oo8]

That's a hell of a lot more plausible than thinkg Aldridge > Kawhi. :lmao

No it's not. Kawhi will never be in Durant's stratosphere.

[DMC]

He's better than him on offense just by virtue of being the alpha on an elite team while Klay is a gamma. Him having better numbers is just insult to injury.

Kawhi continues to improve offensively year to year. There's really no disputing that. It's not farfetched at all to say that at some point Klay was better offensively, but now he isn't. You can be skeptical about his ability to keep up his scoring average, but he's shown no signs of slowing down. I'm willing to bet any amount of your liking that Kawhi ends up averaging more PPG this year than Klay has in any year of his career.

So last year Kawhi wasn't the alpha on an elite team?

As I said, you're using a small sample size to say Kawhi has surpassed Klay, when the bulk of the data suggests otherwise.

Your bet is useless. It also says Klay was better than Kawhi last season because Klay averaged more. Is that what you're saying?

[DMC]

During the '07-'08 season, Ray Allen was assisted on 80% of his 3s meanwhile Klay has been assisted on :wow100%:wow of his 3s this season.http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html#shooting::24 :lmao (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html#shooting::24)

So now assists are bad? When did this happen?

[apalisoc_9]

No it's not. Kawhi will never be in Durant's stratosphere.

First Team All NBA casual bitch.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lmao Durant averaged 28.5 and 6 on 50% shooting that series. Westbrook shot 37%. Kawhi had 17 turnovers that series.

Kawhi was guarding WestBrick & held him to 37% shooting WITHOUT excluding a BUNCH of transition buckets; Danny was the one getting torched. Meanwhile Dominos was resting on defense b/c he was guarding Danny.

:cryWhy can't Kawhi guard BOTH at the same time?: http://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs/2016/story/_/id/15423515/spurs-better-kawhi-leonard-russell-westbrook :cry


Numbers show that nobody forces Kevin Durant to shoot less effectively than Kawhi Leonard.



Meanwhile, Leonard has been even more effective defending Westbrook.

[djohn2oo8]

First Team All NBA casual bitch.
And got bitched by Durant in the playoffs.

[FkLA]

So last year Kawhi wasn't the alpha on an elite team?

As I said, you're using a small sample size to say Kawhi has surpassed Klay, when the bulk of the data suggests otherwise.

Your bet is useless. It also says Klay was better than Kawhi last season because Klay averaged more. Is that what you're saying?

It doesn't say that at all unless you choose to ignore the very first sentence of my post.

The moment Kawhi showed that he was capable of being an efficient #1 on an elite team, was the moment comparing him to a complimentary player like Klay became a joke. Last year you could atleast make a piss poor argument by pointing at scoring averages. Now you don't even have that.

There isn't any 'bulk of the data' because Klay has never been and never will be a #1 on an elite team.

[apalisoc_9]

Westbrook has actually outplayed Durant, not just last season playoff but in the last three playoffs they played together.

Obviously, westbrick is todays media darling but My God was he taking all the heat in the Durant-Westbrook era. I'm surprised he wasnt the one who left considering Dominos basically became impossible to blame because westbrook was always to blame


Westbrick as overrated as he is today, sure did most of the carrying in the last three playoffs.

[apalisoc_9]

Also, As overrated curry scrub ass is...and despite being a media darling. That dude should have won FMVP in 2015. Warriors only championship Thompson was playing like the 10th best player for the warriors. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Kawhi was guarding WestBrick & held him to 37% shooting WITHOUT excluding a BUNCH of transition buckets; Danny was the one getting torched. Meanwhile Dominos was resting on defense b/c he was guarding Danny.

:cryWhy can't Kawhi guard BOTH at the same time?: http://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs/2016/story/_/id/15423515/spurs-better-kawhi-leonard-russell-westbrook :cry
Kawhi guarded Durant in most of the 4th quarters. And got owned.

[DMC]

No it's not. Kawhi will never be in Durant's stratosphere.

KL is there now. You have to judge based on a body of work, not on offense or defense. KL's accolades dwarf KD's. KD is just a scoring machine.

[Kawhitstorm]

And got bitched by Durant in the playoffs.

Apparently you didn't watch the playoffs:

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Kawhi has dominated Dominos when he didn't have to expend a tremendous amount of energy guarding WestBrick/Curry:

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[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi guarded Durant in most of the 4th quarters. And got owned.

You mean he couldn't stop a 6'11" scoring machine after he was ALREADY in a zone?:rolleyes (Danny lit the fire & ran away)

If Klay was being guarded by Monta Ellis for 3 quarter every time he played a game then Jordan/Pippen wouldn't be able to do a thing w/ him in the 4th quarter.:lol

[djohn2oo8]

KL is there now. You have to judge based on a body of work, not on offense or defense. KL's accolades dwarf KD's. KD is just a scoring machine.
And rebounding. So if you had to start a team, you would pick Kawhi over Durant? Accolades out the window.

[DAF86]

No it's not. Kawhi will never be in Durant's stratosphere.

Why? Just because you say so? Why should we listen the opinion of someone that thought it was ok to laugh at someone saying Kawhi > Aldridge? :rollin

ESPN joined the opinion of hundreds of bb analysts and Durant finished 3rd while Kawhi finished 4th. I'm no mathematician but the difference between 3rd and 4th is a lot smaller than the difference between 4th and whatever Aldridgr finished at. :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

And rebounding. So if you had to start a team, you would pick Kawhi over Durant? Accolades out the window.

Let's see how they fared in the biggest game of the series:


Note to playoff teams: Win game 5. In a 2-2 series tie, an away team winning game 5 leads to an enormous 28.8% increase to win the series. A home team winning game 5 has a relatively smaller increase at 19.9, but a loss would destroy their odds as they would drop from 44.8% to 16%.

USrTrtM4t1o

[Ice009]

Why wouldn't be "worthwhile" if we are talking about a fucking straight up trade? :lol

Exactly. I'm talking about a straight up trade. Kawhi brings more the the table than Thompson. He's a much better all around player despite what the medai says about Thompson being a great two way player. Kawhi's a better defender and he's more versatile on offense.

For example, the Spurs where after a big man in the 2015 off-season, but I would have taken Draymond Green and played him at PF and went small if he was available and willing to come to the Spurs. I always take the better player when that player is better.

[DMC]

And rebounding. So if you had to start a team, you would pick Kawhi over Durant? Accolades out the window.

Yes I would. I can find shooters and scorers. It's hard to find an elite defender who can carry the scoring load as well.

[313]

I remember when Lollard was beasting just a couple years ago, looked unstoppable and what now?
2 hot games every a couple of months is not something to write home about... losing to memphis with KD DG SC and Iguonada and Klaynus was there.
Lollard averaged 25 ppg last year and 28 ppg this year :lol

[djohn2oo8]

what a terrible game for Klay tonight, right fkla?

[DAF86]

what a terrible game for Klay tonight, right fkla?

The fuck are you trying to prove with this comment? FkLA said he was inconsistent not incapable of scoring. Klay having a good game after some bad ones proves exactly that. :lol

Whatever happened to you son, you didn't use to display such poor arguing skills before, tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

The fuck are you trying to prove with this comment? FkLA said he was inconsistent not incapable of scoring. Klay having a good game after some bad ones proves exactly that. :lol

Whatever happened to you son, you didn't use to display such poor arguing skills before, tbh.

You agree that 4 games mean a player is inconsistent even though it consists of 82 games? :lol

Even though his numbers are good for the season...

[DAF86]

You agree that 4 games mean a player is inconsistent even though it consists of 82 games? :lol

When you score 60 in one, 10 on the other, 8 the next one, 25 the following and so on, yeah, you're inconsistent.

[djohn2oo8]

When you score 60 in one, 10 on the other, 8 the next one, 25 the following and so on, yeah, you're inconsistent.
Christ almighty :lmao :lmao

[DAF86]

Am I dreaming or djohn2oo8 didn't use to be this bad?

[djohn2oo8]

Am I dreaming or djohn2oo8 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14870) didn't use to be this bad?
If you use 4 games to determine inconsistency, what is the point of having season averages for PPG?

[Robz4000]

Yeah I'm not sure what's going on with djohn in this thread. Also didn't hear about him saying LMA > Kawhi. Did he actually say that?

[Clipper Nation]

Am I dreaming or djohn2oo8 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14870) didn't use to be this bad?
This is the same clown who made fun of a college football coach for choosing to play defense first in overtime. He's always been this bad.

[djohn2oo8]

This is the same clown who made fun of a college football coach for choosing to play defense first in overtime. He's always been this bad.
Finally showed back up to the Trump thread eh?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Offense first in OT
:lol Klaynus > Kawhi
:lol Dumbjohn

[djohn2oo8]

:lol Offense first in OT
:lol Klaynus > Kawhi
:lol Dumbjohn
Who said Klay was a better overall PLAYER than Kawhi?

[DAF86]

A guy can average 25 ppg exchaging 50 pts games and 0 pts games during the entire season. That guy is inconsistent as hell despite averaging 25 ppg.

Without the extreme example I gave, that's what Klay does. He has these outbursts of high pts total and then he goes a few games scoring like a role player 'till he gets another good game, and he repeats this pattern throughout the entire season. If you can't see how that is considered being inconsistent then you aren't a very smart cat, tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

A guy can average 25 ppg exchaging 50 pts games and 0 pts games during the entire season. That guy is inconsistent as hell despite averaging 25 ppg.

.

:lol no moron, if a player averages 25 PPG, with bad games in between which all players have, that means he has more good games than bad ones. That's called consistency.

[FkLA]

Am I dreaming or djohn2oo8 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14870) didn't use to be this bad?

He's been bad for a while. He argued to death that a team should go offense first during college football OT. That was even worse than what he's done today.

[DAF86]

Yeah I'm not sure what's going on with djohn in this thread. Also didn't hear about him saying LMA > Kawhi. Did he actually say that?


Updated for next season.

1-Lebron
2-Curry
3-Durant
4-Leonard
5-Davis
6-Paul
7-Westbrook
8-George
9-Harden
10-Aldridge/Draymond/Griffin


Wait, Leonard better than Davis, Paul, Westbrook, George, Harden, and Aldridge? :lol

He was calling me a homer fot ranking Kawhi 4th coming into this season. A few weeks later ESPN's ranking came and had Kawhi at 4th. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Worse than what he's done today.
By showing you 4 games hardly means anything when it comes to averaging PPG over a season?

[Robz4000]

He was calling me a homer fot ranking Kawhi 4th coming into this season. A few weeks later ESPN's ranking came and had Kawhi at 4th. :lol

:lmao what the fuck djohn2oo8?

[Clipper Nation]

Anyone who thinks Klaynus could shouler the load as the first option like Kawhi has been doing for years is delusional. End of story. He's had a couple fluke games and has been a role player for the rest of his career.

[djohn2oo8]

Anyone who thinks Klaynus could shouler the load as the first option like Kawhi has been doing for years is delusional. End of story. He's had a couple fluke games and has been a role player for the rest of his career.

:lol Who said Klay could be a first option?

[DAF86]

:lol no moron, if a player averages 25 PPG, with bad games in between which all players have, that means he has more good games than bad ones. That's called consistency.

In the example I gave you the guy averages 25 ppg but has as many bad games (0 pts games) as good games (50 pts games).

Granted this is an extreme example but the fact remains, a good ppg average doesn't equal consistency.

[djohn2oo8]

In the example I gave you the guy averages 25 ppg but has as many bad games (0 pts games) as good games (50 pts games).

Granted this is an extreme example but the fact remains, a good ppg average doesn't equal consistency.
lol 50 points is a great game. Okay, so how does a player even have a good PPG? What must they do to have that?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Who said Klay could be a first option?
You're acting like he's a much better scorer than Kawhi because of a couple fluky games and how he benefits from all the attention his superior teammates get from opposing defenses. If he had to carry the offensive load on a team where he's clearly the best player, there's no way he could produce like Kawhi does. Which means if you strip away all the outside advantages that Klaynus has, he's not the better scorer.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Klaynus can't even dribble. He's literally Danny Green on steroids, on a stacked team, and people are really comparing him to a first option who has to create his own points.

[DAF86]

lol 50 points is a great game. Okay, so how does a player even have a good PPG? What must they do to have that?

They can either score around their usual average pretty regularly like Kawhi does, or they can go for absurd numbers in some games and then go way below their average in others like Klay does.

[FkLA]

:lol Who said Klay could be a first option?

Then why in the fuck would you call him a better scorer than a bonafide first option of an elite team?

[djohn2oo8]

You're acting like he's a much better scorer than Kawhi because of a couple fluky games and how he benefits from all the attention his superior teammates get from opposing defenses. If he had to carry the offensive load on a team where he's clearly the best player, there's no way he could produce like Kawhi does. Which means if you strip away all the outside advantages that Klaynus has, he's not the better scorer.

No, I've pointed out multiple seasons where Klay was the better 3 point shooter and 2 point shooter, not just one or two games, nobody is talking about first option this or that. Who can score the easiest? Who can get open more effortlessly? No ifs, ands or buts. Straight answer. Plenty of vaginas in here bleeding because in terms of being a pure scorer, it's Klay.

[djohn2oo8]

Then why in the fuck would you call him a better scorer than a bonafide first option of an elite team?
Uh dude, I said he is no playmaker either. You do know just because I called him a better scorer, doesn't mean I think he can be a first option. He just scores easier than Kawhi. And vaginas started to bleed in here over that comment.

[Clipper Nation]

No, I've pointed out multiple seasons where Klay was the better 3 point shooter and 2 point shooter, not just one or two games, nobody is talking about first option this or that. Who can score the easiest? Who can get open more effortlessly? No ifs, ands or buts. Straight answer. Plenty of vaginas in here bleeding because in terms of being a pure scorer, it's Klay.
How can you not understand why a player's spot in the pecking order on their offense matters? Klaynus scores more "easily" because Curry and Durant are getting more attention from defenses than he is. If he was the go-to guy that defenses focus their attention on like Kawhi is, he would not be scoring nearly as easily. Like I said, he can't even dribble. Defenders would be licking their chops to face him without having to worry about Steph and KD.

By your logic, some D-Leaguer who gets called up for a cup of coffee and drops 60 in his only game is a better scorer than Kawhi because "muh points per game." Your argument is stupid because you keep ignoring the context of the stats you're using. A player's role in their offense matters. How they get their points matters. Consistency matters.

[FkLA]

Uh dude, I said he is no playmaker either. You do know just because I called him a better scorer, doesn't mean I think he can be a first option. He just scores easier than Kawhi. And vaginas started to bleed in here over that comment.

Kawhi's playmaking isn't what makes him a bonafide first option. It's his scoring ability.

Yet you think he's less of a scorer than a guy who you don't even believe can be a first option. Your're illogical.

[djohn2oo8]

How can you not understand why a player's spot in the pecking order on their offense matters? Klaynus scores more "easily" because Curry and Durant are getting more attention from defenses than he is. If he was the go-to guy that defenses focus their attention on like Kawhi is, he would not be scoring nearly as easily. Like I said, he can't even dribble. Defenders would be licking their chops to face him without having to worry about Steph and KD.

By your logic, some D-Leaguer who gets called up for a cup of coffee and drops 60 in his only game is a better scorer than Kawhi because "muh points per game." Your argument is stupid because you keep ignoring the context of the stats you're using. A player's role in their offense matters. How they get their points matters. Consistency matters.
Klay scores more easily because he actually moves without the ball and has a quick release. He was doing that before Durant got there, so it's disingenuous to say Durant getting attention caused that.

[djohn2oo8]

Kawhi's playmaking isn't what makes him a bonafide first option. It's his scoring ability.

Yet you think he's less of a scorer than a guy who you don't even believe can be a first option. Your're illogical.
You are bleeding over the fact one guy scores more effortlessly than another. That's unbelievable.

[Clipper Nation]

Klay scores more easily because he actually moves without the ball and has a quick release. He was doing that before Durant got there, so it's disingenuous to say Durant getting attention caused that.
Even without KD, he still had Curry sucking up most of the attention next to him. Meanwhile, Kawhi IS the "Curry" of the Spurs (in terms of defensive attention, not shooting).

You're literally arguing that Klaynus is the better scorer because he plays like a role player on a stacked team, while ignoring that Kawhi doesn't have that luxury. Kawhi has to create for himself while carrying shitbags like Porker and LaMarsha.

[FkLA]

You are bleeding over the fact one guy scores more effortlessly than another. That's unbelievable.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/84b46d362d5dbb7aac0be692b0b01dc2/tumblr_nj6cg4I6Xh1trbh6do1_400.gif

[313]

Bringing up inconsistencies like Kawhi hasn't had wildly inconsistent stretches this season :lol seriously :lol

Kawhi is the number 1 option so he's obviously still going to get his points on a bad night(greenlight to shoot as much as he wants, usually shoots game ending FTs, etc), while Klay will have to defer to Steph and KD if he doesn't have it, and he doesn't get to pad his ppg with game ending Fts tbh.

[313]

Let's see how they fared in the biggest game of the series:



USrTrtM4t1o>biggest game of the series
>doesn't post the elimination game where KD shit on Kawhi and the Spurs organization

[djohn2oo8]

Even without KD, he still had Curry sucking up most of the attention next to him. Meanwhile, Kawhi IS the "Curry" of the Spurs (in terms of defensive attention, not shooting).

You're literally arguing that Klaynus is the better scorer because he plays like a role player on a stacked team, while ignoring that Kawhi doesn't have that luxury. Kawhi has to create for himself while carrying shitbags like Porker and LaMarsha.
Is Klay not a better shooter? Yes or no? Just a quick question.

[djohn2oo8]

>biggest game of the series
>doesn't post the elimination game where KD shit on Kawhi and the Spurs organization
:lol

[Clipper Nation]

Is Klay not a better shooter? Yes or no? Just a quick question.
http://i.imgur.com/IyiYPLN.jpg

[FkLA]

Bringing up inconsistencies like Kawhi hasn't had wildly inconsistent stretches this season :lol seriously :lol

Kawhi is the number 1 option so he's obviously still going to get his points on a bad night(greenlight to shoot as much as he wants, usually shoots game ending FTs, etc), while Klay will have to defer to Steph and KD if he doesn't have it, and he doesn't get to pad his ppg with game ending Fts tbh.

Here tell me if their inconsistencies are even comparable:


Kawhi- 24.7 PPG on 47/40/91
Klaynus- 21.5 PPG on 47/38/89

Kawhi- 7 30+ pt games, 21 20+ pt games, held under 20 pts three times, held at or under 15 pts once, season low is 14 pts
Klaynus- 2 30+ pts games, 14 20+ pt games, held under 20 pts eleven times, held at or under 15 pts eight times, season low is 8 pts

Now get your Enrique loving ass the fuck out.

[djohn2oo8]

Bringing up inconsistencies like Kawhi hasn't had wildly inconsistent stretches this season :lol seriously :lol

Kawhi is the number 1 option so he's obviously still going to get his points on a bad night(greenlight to shoot as much as he wants, usually shoots game ending FTs, etc), while Klay will have to defer to Steph and KD if he doesn't have it, and he doesn't get to pad his ppg with game ending Fts tbh.
yup

[djohn2oo8]

http://i.imgur.com/IyiYPLN.jpg
yes or no?

[Clipper Nation]

yes or no?


http://i.imgur.com/IyiYPLN.jpg

[313]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/LeonardMVP.jpg

Laughing at Kawhi > Aldridge. That has to be one of the worst moments of ST's history, tbh. :lmaoKawhi's best playoff series that we won 17.8 ppg :wow (:lol should rename it the "glorified over achiever/didn't get completely shit on by LeBron" award) (should've been Tim's 4th FMVP as well)

[djohn2oo8]

:lol CN. Can't even answer a question. I maintain Klay is still the better scorer. Is he the better shooter?

[DAF86]

Wait, wait, wait. In what World does Klay score more "effortlessly" than Kawhi? :lol

Kawhi averages 3 more pts than Klay in the same number of attempts. Without the luxury of being a 3rd/4th option. :lol

[Raven]

carried his team again

[FkLA]

:lol CN. Can't even answer a question. I maintain Klay is still the better scorer. Is he the better shooter?

Dunning–Kruger Effect

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[djohn2oo8]

Wait, wait, wait. In what World does Klay score more "effortlessly" than Kawhi? :lol

Kawhi averages 3 more pts than Klay in the same number of attempts. Without the luxury of being a 3rd/4th option. :lol
Kawhi shoots around 5 more free throws than Klay. There you go. Nice try with the attempts thing though.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol CN. Can't even answer a question. I maintain Klay is still the better scorer. Is he the better shooter?
He's the better pure shooter. You're moving the goalposts, though, because the argument is about who the better scorer is.

Kawhi is still the better scorer. You still haven't owned up to the fact that you're slobbering all over Klaynus for playing like a role player on a loaded team. He can't dribble, he has better teammates hogging most of the attention from defenses, and 81% of his made baskets are spoonfed to him by his teammates.

JJ Redick is a better pure shooter than Kawhi too, but you don't see me arguing that he's the better scorer. That's because I'm smart enough to realize that JJ scores like a role player while Kawhi scores like a first option. There's a big difference.

[DAF86]

Kawhi shoots around 5 more free throws than Klay. There you go. Nice try with the attempts thing though.

So? :lol

[djohn2oo8]

He's the better pure shooter. You're moving the goalposts, though, because the argument is about who the better scorer is.

Kawhi is still the better scorer. You still haven't owned up to the fact that you're slobbering all over Klaynus for playing like a role player on a loaded team. He can't dribble, he has better teammates hogging most of the attention from defenses, and 81% of his made baskets are spoonfed to him by his teammates.

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You mean like 80% of Ray Allen's 3's were assisted? Does that take away anything from Allen and how good of a scorer he was in his prime? It's a stupid fucking cop out.

[DAF86]

Ray Allen, another guy that was best suited to be a 3rd banana. Still Ray > Klay.

[Clipper Nation]

You mean like 80% of Ray Allen's 3's were assisted? Does that take away anything from Allen and how good of a scorer he was in his prime? It's a stupid fucking cop out.

You do realize how dumb it is to compare the percentage of Ray Allen's three-pointers that were assisted to the percentage of Klaynus' field goals that were assisted, right? When Ray Allen was in his prime, he could take the ball off the dribble and create his own shot. He wasn't just a spot-up shooter until he got older.

Klaynus is 26 years old, in his athletic prime, and still has to be spoonfed the majority of his points regardless of where they're coming from on the court.

[Clipper Nation]

Fun fact: last year, Klaynus got assisted on a higher percentage of his field goals (81%) than DeAndre Jordan (78%). The same was true in 2014-15 (Klay: 70%; DJ: 69%), 2013-14 (Klay: 75%; DJ: 74%), 2012-13 (Klay: 83%; DJ: 67%), and 2011-12 (Klay: 73%, DJ: 66%). That's every season of Klaynus' career.

Anyone who's watched DeAndre play even once realizes how horrible his offensive game is and how much he depends on everyone else to spoonfeed him points. Now imagine someone who's even more dependent on his teammates than that guy, and you have the player that Dumbjohn is insisting is a better scorer than Kawhi Leonard.

[313]

Here tell me if their inconsistencies are even comparable:



Now get your Enrique loving ass the fuck out.Already explained the season lows. Kawhi as a number 1 is always going to have the opportunity to pad his numbers a bit, unlike Klay who will defer those shots to KD or Curry.

Those numbers are interesting, though. Albeit a small sample size. Hm, lets compare their last two seasons when their roles were a little more similar as far as offensive load.


2014-15 Kawhi as first option, Klay when he was to 1b with Curry

16.5 ppg on 47/34/80
21.7 ppg on 46/44/87

Kawhi - EXACTLY ZERO 30+ PT GAMES(yikes), 22 20-29 pt games, 34 10-19 pt games, 8 0-9 pt games
Klay - 1 50+ pt game(:wow), 3 40-49 pt games(:wow), 4 30-39 pt games, 38 20-29 pt games, 27 10-19 pt games, 4 0-9 pt games

2015/2016 with Kawhi as first option, Klay still 1b, but taking a backseat so Curry and Dray can take more shots(so unselfish, wow)

21.2 ppg on 50/44/87
22.1 ppg on 47/42/88

Kawhi - 4 30-39 pt games, 40 20-29 pt games, 26 10-19 pt games, 2 0-9 pt games
Klay - 4 40-49 pt games(:wow), 13 30-39 pt games, 25 20-29 pt games,35 10-19 pt games, 3 0-9 pt games


I think we can safely say Klay is the more explosive scorer. Eye test checks out, numbers check out. Here's to Kiwi stepping up his offensive game this year and proving me wrong :toast

[FkLA]

You do realize how dumb it is to compare the percentage of Ray Allen's three-pointers that were assisted to the percentage of Klaynus' field goals that were assisted, right? When Ray Allen was in his prime, he could take the ball off the dribble and create his own shot. He wasn't just a spot-up shooter until he got older.

Klaynus is 26 years old, in his athletic prime, and still has to be spoonfed the majority of his points regardless of where they're coming from on the court.

Klaynus is at 100% assisted on 3PTers this season. No joke. :lol


During the '07-'08 season, Ray Allen was assisted on 80% of his 3s meanwhile Klay has been assisted on :wow100%:wow of his 3s this season.http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html#shooting::24 :lmao (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html#shooting::24)

[Clipper Nation]

Klaynus is at 100% assisted on 3PTers this season. No joke. :lol

:cry "But he scores so effortlessly!" :cry

Yeah, because his teammates are the ones putting in all the effort for him and all he has to do is not fuck up.

[DAF86]

313 is one of those Tony homer's that are jelous that he had to take a backseat to Kawhi? Otherwise I don't understand how he can disminish the game of the lone reason for which we are still a top 3/4 team in the league instead of a lottery one, which is Kawhi, tbh.

[Mikeanaro]

Already explained the season lows. Kawhi as a number 1 is always going to have the opportunity to pad his numbers a bit, unlike Klay who will defer those shots to KD or Curry.

Those numbers are interesting, though. Albeit a small sample size. Hm, lets compare their last two seasons when their roles were a little more similar as far as offensive load.


2014-15 Kawhi as first option, Klay when he was to 1b with Curry

16.5 ppg on 47/34/80
21.7 ppg on 46/44/87

Kawhi - EXACTLY ZERO 30+ PT GAMES(yikes), 22 20-29 pt games, 34 10-19 pt games, 8 0-9 pt games
Klay - 1 50+ pt game(:wow), 3 40-49 pt games(:wow), 4 30-39 pt games, 38 20-29 pt games, 27 10-19 pt games, 4 0-9 pt games

2015/2016 with Kawhi as first option, Klay still 1b, but taking a backseat so Curry and Dray can take more shots(so unselfish, wow)

21.2 ppg on 50/44/87
22.1 ppg on 47/42/88

Kawhi - 4 30-39 pt games, 40 20-29 pt games, 26 10-19 pt games, 2 0-9 pt games
Klay - 4 40-49 pt games(:wow), 13 30-39 pt games, 25 20-29 pt games,35 10-19 pt games, 3 0-9 pt games


I think we can safely say Klay is the more explosive scorer. Eye test checks out, numbers check out. Here's to Kiwi stepping up his offensive game this year and proving me wrong :toast
Klaynus is a number 2 get your facts straight.

[313]

313 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43150) is one of those Tony homer's that are jelous that he had to take a backseat to Kawhi? Otherwise I don't understand how he can disminish the game of the lone reason for which we are still a top 3/4 team in the league instead of a lottery one, which is Kawhi, tbh.
Head of the snake :worthy:

I'm not a Tony homer, I admit Tony is washed up and has been the last couple seasons. I just defend him against the irrational expectations some posters have for him, and the irrational hate he gets.. just like I did for Manu after 13, although that hate was more justified..:lol

I'm an objective Kawhi fan who can admit he's not a perfect player. I still root for him to go out there and play well and lead us to ring, whether that be averaging 16 ppg, or 32 ppg. :flag:

[313]

Klaynus is a number 2 get your facts straight.
:wow number 2 and still has at least 10 games where he's scored more than Kawhi's career high. Thanks for the correction boyo :tu

[DAF86]

Head of the snake :worthy:

I'm not a Tony homer, I admit Tony is washed up and has been the last couple seasons. I just defend him against the irrational expectations some posters have for him, and the irrational hate he gets.. just like I did for Manu after 13, although that hate was more justified..:lol

I'm an objective Kawhi fan who can admit he's not a perfect player. I still root for him to go out there and play well and lead us to ring, whether that be averaging 16 ppg, or 32 ppg. :flag:

Nobody saying he's perfect, but a better scorer than a guy that can only score when others are creating for him? That's fair, imvho, tbh.

[FkLA]

Already explained the season lows. Kawhi as a number 1 is always going to have the opportunity to pad his numbers a bit, unlike Klay who will defer those shots to KD or Curry.

Those numbers are interesting, though. Albeit a small sample size. Hm, lets compare their last two seasons when their roles were a little more similar as far as offensive load.


2014-15 Kawhi as first option, Klay when he was to 1b with Curry

16.5 ppg on 47/34/80
21.7 ppg on 46/44/87

Kawhi - EXACTLY ZERO 30+ PT GAMES(yikes), 22 20-29 pt games, 34 10-19 pt games, 8 0-9 pt games
Klay - 1 50+ pt game(:wow), 3 40-49 pt games(:wow), 4 30-39 pt games, 38 20-29 pt games, 27 10-19 pt games, 4 0-9 pt games

2015/2016 with Kawhi as first option, Klay still 1b, but taking a backseat so Curry and Dray can take more shots(so unselfish, wow)

21.2 ppg on 50/44/87
22.1 ppg on 47/42/88

Kawhi - 4 30-39 pt games, 40 20-29 pt games, 26 10-19 pt games, 2 0-9 pt games
Klay - 4 40-49 pt games(:wow), 13 30-39 pt games, 25 20-29 pt games,35 10-19 pt games, 3 0-9 pt games


I think we can safely say Klay is the more explosive scorer. Eye test checks out, numbers check out. Here's to Kiwi stepping up his offensive game this year and proving me wrong :toast

1. 14/15 is irrelevant since Kawhi wasn't the clear cut #1 (12.8 FGAs per game)
2. lol at Klaynus being 1B to a back to back MVP
3. lol at Klaynus sacrificing (his FGAs increased)
4. 15/16: Kawhi 15.1 FGAs, Klaynus 17.3 FGAs
5. Kawhi gets his as an alpha. Klaynus as a complimentary player.
6. lol Enrique

[FkLA]

:wow number 2 and still has at least 10 games where he's scored more than Kawhi's career high. Thanks for the correction boyo :tu

Get back to me when he's the #1 of an elite team. That'll impress me more than scoring 60 once as a #3/#4.

[313]

1. 14/15 is irrelevant since Kawhi wasn't the clear cut #1 (12.8 FGAs per game)
2. lol at Klaynus being 1B to a back to back MVP
3. lol at Klaynus sacrificing (his FGAs increased)
4. 15/16: Kawhi 15.1 FGAs, Klaynus 17.3 FGAs
5. Kawhi gets his as an alpha. Klaynus as a complimentary player.
6. lol Enrique
1. Most FGAs on the team, #1 option :nope
2. Because Klay didn't get MVP he couldnt be the 1b? Didn't see that clause. Either way, 1b/2 he still shit on Kawhi's numbers
3. from 16.9 to 17.3 is a marginal increase. Meanwhile Steph went from 16.8 to 20.2. Klay's USG decreased, Curry's USG increased as well.
4. Yeah, I'm glad, this year, Kawhi finally realized he was the first option and started shooting like it. We were going no where with his 15 FGA seasons :tu
5. Kawhi as a complimentary player; 7.9 ppg, 11.9 ppg, 12.1 ppg :lmao hell, throw in 16.5 ppg if you want to say he wasn't the number one option in 2015(he was) :lmao damn he was feasting when all the defensive attention wasn't on him :wow
6. Head of the snake, fatass porker :worthy:

[Mikeanaro]

:wow number 2 and still has at least 10 games where he's scored more than Kawhi's career high. Thanks for the correction boyo :tu
Because Spurs system is not about scoring all you can, dont you get it?
The only one to ruin our system trying to prove something was Enrique Porker.

[Ice009]

Is Klay not a better shooter? Yes or no? Just a quick question.

Klay's a better shooter, but so is/was Steve Kerr. Steve Kerr isn't better offensive player than Kawhi either. Being a better shooter doesn't mean you're a better offensive player. There were tons of shooters better at shooting than Michael Jordan, and none of those guys were better than Michael on offense.

Stop with this shit. It's over. Trade Harden for Klay if you love him that much. He's a suped up 3 and D player on steroids.

[DMC]

Klay's a better shooter, but so is/was Steve Kerr. Steve Kerr isn't better offensive player than Kawhi either. Being a better shooter doesn't mean you're a better offensive player. There were tons of shooters better at shooting than Michael Jordan, and none of those guys were better than Michael on offense.

Stop with this shit. It's over. Trade Harden for Klay if you love him that much. He's a suped up 3 and D player on steroids.

This is the Moore/Coulter defense. Klay isn't Kerr and Kawhi isn't Michael.