How Russia Wins an Election

[RandomGuy]

Did Russia just put its man in the White House? Americans are furiously debating the question as intelligence reports leak, Donald Trump tweets his doubts and Congress vows to investigate.

As analysts who have spent years studying Russia’s influence campaigns, we’re confident the spooks have it mostly right: The Kremlin ran a sophisticated, multilayered operation that aimed to sow chaos in the U.S. political system, if not to elect Trump outright. But you don’t need a security clearance or a background in spycraft to come to that conclusion. All you need to do is open your eyes.


So how did Putin do it?

It wasn’t by hacking election machines or manipulating the results, as some have suggested. That would be too crude. The Kremlin’s canny operatives didn’t change votes; they won them, influencing voters to choose Russia’s preferred outcome by pushing stolen information at just the right time—through slanted, or outright false stories on social media. As we detail in our recent report, based on 30 months of closely watching Russia’s online influence operations and monitoring some 7,000 accounts, the Kremlin’s troll army swarmed the web to spread disinformation and undermine trust in the electoral system.

1. Pick close contests: In both the British referendum and U.S. presidential votes, Russia happened upon an almost perfectly divided electorate. It took a nudge of just a few percentage points in each case to achieve victory.

...

2. Know your audience: In 2008 and 2012, Barack Obama’s strategists conducted a surgical influence effort, mapping key votes down to the neighborhood level. Russian operatives have borrowed from this playbook and targeted audiences vulnerable to their influence across the West—largely supporters of the “alt-right” and others angered by the perceived effects of globalization, immigration, terrorism and economic hardship. In the U.S., Russia’s blending of semi-overt and covert social media accounts use common hashtags and phrases to create what appear to be conservative Trump supporters or alt-right cheerleaders. These social media personas, whose bios are littered with words like “country,” “Christian,” “America” and “military,” then push pro-Trump hashtags loaded with skewed and fake news at American audiences, helping generate organic Trump support and distrust of the U.S. government.

3. Start early and be persistent: As early as August 2015, Russian English-language outlets and their social media allies were promoting Trump—at a time when the idea that he could actually win seemed a distant fantasy. And they kept going throughout the Republican primary, surging at key times. Put differently, Russia didn’t just intervene in the general election against Hillary Clinton—it helped him defeat his anti-Moscow GOP rivals, too. The United Kingdom observed a similar campaign. Dating back to the earliest parts of 2015, Russian media outlets incited fear of immigration and promoted Brexit advocate Nigel Farage’s accusations of American manipulation to foster popular support for the British to leave the EU.


4. Try everything. Stick with what works: Today’s Russian propagandists borrow from the playbook of their Soviet forefathers. RT and Sputnik News push political, financial, social and calamitous messages stoking fear and conspiracy into the information environment of any democratic audience suspicious or outwardly hostile to Russia. Since the summer of 2015, we’ve observed Russian messaging pushed to groups across the spectrum, the left and the right politically. Anarchists, anti-capitalists, white supremacists and anti-government militias have all received Russian English-language directed propaganda through the targeted application of bots and person-to-person engagement from what appear to be fellow Americans with strong Russian leanings.

5. Hack and release: Russia’s synchronization of hacking and influence operations provides a one-two punch for manipulating democratic audiences. In the old days, Soviet Kompromat, or compromising materials, were used by KGB agents to encourage Western officials and public figures to speak and act in ways more amenable to Soviet objectives, via threats to expose criminality, corruption or sexual misbehavior. Today, Russia’s hacking teams, two of which security researchers have dubbed Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear, conduct wide-ranging kompromat hacking into thousands of current and former Western government officials, media personalities and national security experts. Russia then strategically releases true, manipulated true, and false information to data dumpsites such as WikiLeaks. These “information nukes” fuel Russian overt propaganda and supply dozens of fringe conspiratorial news sites. Russia’s cyber kompromat playbook appears to have a new target. Germany, the key remaining player in the EU, has already noted Russian hacks against its parliament in 2015, along with a sharp uptick in propaganda ahead of the country’s upcoming elections.


6. Use brute force to overwhelm adversaries: Soviet military doctrine employed the principle of mass to counter Western forces—employing three to four times the artillery of their enemies. Once the Soviets found a break in enemy lines, they’d exploit the breach, occupy a position in the rear area of the enemy and then fight from a defensive position. Today’s Russian social media influence operations employ a similar approach. After using hacked information to craft manipulated truths, Russia propagates and amplifies stories using automated bots.

7. Win even when you lose. Russia would prefer that its chosen candidates be victorious, but losing is almost as good: Putin and company are happy just to foment chaos, confusion and doubt. It doesn’t even take much. The mere allegation that voter rolls in Illinois and Arizona had been hacked raised concerns of a rigged outcome, lending credibility to wild claims like those the Green Party’s Jill Stein leveled in Wisconsin. Even the Electoral College, historically a rubber stamp, is becoming another partisan battlefield. And now, with many Americans embittered by the nastiest election in memory and squabbling over the very question of Russian meddling, Putin can sit back and admire his handiwork. Because either way, he’s already won.

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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/how-russia-wins-an-election-214524


For those of you rationalizing it, this is the methodology.

Basically, it is a campaign of targeted lies, then you just sit back and let the lack of critical thinking on the part of your target audience do the rest.

[tlongII]

4 Reasons Russia Didn’t Swing The Election To Trump

Democrats are over the moon about the new Washington Post report that quotes CIA sources who say that Vladimir Putin and the Russian government actively attempted to aid Donald Trump in his election race against Hillary Clinton. Many Democrats have been making the claim that if not for Putin’s intervention – if not for Russian hackers accessing emails from Hillary campaign chief John Podesta and then releasing them via WikiLeaks for months – Hillary Clinton would today be the president-elect.

There’s no evidence to support that.

There is plenty of evidence to support the contrary notion, actually.

1. Hillary Tanked Because Of Comey. When FBI Director James Comey announced on October 28 that the FBI had reopened their investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails, the iceberg hit the Titanic. The gushing hole the FBI announcement represented can’t be overstated. As Nate Silver pointed out over the weekend, “Late-deciding voters broke strongly against Clinton in swing states, enough to cost her MI/WI/PA.” According to Silver, “Clinton would almost certainly be President-elect if the election had been held on Oct. 27 (day before Comey letter).” The Comey reopening happened because of discoveries made during the Anthony Weiner investigation, not because of WikiLeaks.

2. Hillary Was Wildly Unpopular The Entire Election Cycle. The notion that WikiLeaks pushed Hillary’s unpopularity is unsupported by the evidence. An Economist/YouGov poll taken January 15-January 19, 2016 showed that just 38 percent of voters saw Hillary favorably, compared with 56 percent who viewed her unfavorably; that same poll showed her at 43 percent to 56 percent on November 4 through November 7. Hillary was always an awful candidate, and most Americans knew that for the entire election cycle.

3. The Major WikiLeaks Revelations Weren’t Major Enough. The most serious WikiLeaks revelations about Clinton broke late in the campaign: Donna Brazile channeling debate questions to Hillary Clinton during her campaign with Bernie Sanders, Hillary aides attacking Catholics, Hillary working with the Clinton Foundation. But none of those had any marked impact on her poll numbers. It was the Comey revelations that damaged her severely – she seemed to be stabilizing just before the Comey news broke.

4. It Wasn’t Putin’s Fault Hillary Didn’t Visit The Swing States. Hillary’s team blew it. She didn’t show up in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. According to Huffington Post, “In Michigan alone, a senior battleground state operative told HuffPost that the state party and local officials were running at roughly one-tenth the paid canvasser capacity that Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) had when he ran for president in 2004…. A similar situation unfolded in Wisconsin. According to several operatives there, the campaign’s state office and local officials scrambled to raise nearly $1 million for efforts to get out the vote in the closing weeks.” Hillary assumed she had the campaign in the bag, and in the final weeks, she treated it that way, spending time in states that weren’t competitive rather than those that were.

Is it serious stuff that Putin attempted to influence an American election by hacking an American institution like the DNC? Of course. It was impeachable when Richard Nixon bugged Democratic headquarters in 1972 – it’s not exactly small news when the Russians effectively do the same thing to Democrats in 2016. But just as Nixon’s bugging didn’t cost McGovern the election in 1972, there’s little evidence to suggest that Putin’s interference stopped Hillary Clinton from becoming president-elect.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/11546/4-reasons-russia-didnt-swing-election-trump-ben-shapiro

[RandomGuy]

4 Reasons Russia Didn’t Swing The Election To Trump

Democrats are over the moon about the new Washington Post report that quotes CIA sources who say that Vladimir Putin and the Russian government actively attempted to aid Donald Trump in his election race against Hillary Clinton. Many Democrats have been making the claim that if not for Putin’s intervention – if not for Russian hackers accessing emails from Hillary campaign chief John Podesta and then releasing them via WikiLeaks for months – Hillary Clinton would today be the president-elect.

There’s no evidence to support that.

There is plenty of evidence to support the contrary notion, actually.

1. Hillary Tanked Because Of Comey. When FBI Director James Comey announced on October 28 that the FBI had reopened their investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails, the iceberg hit the Titanic. The gushing hole the FBI announcement represented can’t be overstated. As Nate Silver pointed out over the weekend, “Late-deciding voters broke strongly against Clinton in swing states, enough to cost her MI/WI/PA.” According to Silver, “Clinton would almost certainly be President-elect if the election had been held on Oct. 27 (day before Comey letter).” The Comey reopening happened because of discoveries made during the Anthony Weiner investigation, not because of WikiLeaks.

2. Hillary Was Wildly Unpopular The Entire Election Cycle. The notion that WikiLeaks pushed Hillary’s unpopularity is unsupported by the evidence. An Economist/YouGov poll taken January 15-January 19, 2016 showed that just 38 percent of voters saw Hillary favorably, compared with 56 percent who viewed her unfavorably; that same poll showed her at 43 percent to 56 percent on November 4 through November 7. Hillary was always an awful candidate, and most Americans knew that for the entire election cycle.

3. The Major WikiLeaks Revelations Weren’t Major Enough. The most serious WikiLeaks revelations about Clinton broke late in the campaign: Donna Brazile channeling debate questions to Hillary Clinton during her campaign with Bernie Sanders, Hillary aides attacking Catholics, Hillary working with the Clinton Foundation. But none of those had any marked impact on her poll numbers. It was the Comey revelations that damaged her severely – she seemed to be stabilizing just before the Comey news broke.

4. It Wasn’t Putin’s Fault Hillary Didn’t Visit The Swing States. Hillary’s team blew it. She didn’t show up in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. According to Huffington Post, “In Michigan alone, a senior battleground state operative told HuffPost that the state party and local officials were running at roughly one-tenth the paid canvasser capacity that Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) had when he ran for president in 2004…. A similar situation unfolded in Wisconsin. According to several operatives there, the campaign’s state office and local officials scrambled to raise nearly $1 million for efforts to get out the vote in the closing weeks.” Hillary assumed she had the campaign in the bag, and in the final weeks, she treated it that way, spending time in states that weren’t competitive rather than those that were.

Is it serious stuff that Putin attempted to influence an American election by hacking an American institution like the DNC? Of course. It was impeachable when Richard Nixon bugged Democratic headquarters in 1972 – it’s not exactly small news when the Russians effectively do the same thing to Democrats in 2016. But just as Nixon’s bugging didn’t cost McGovern the election in 1972, there’s little evidence to suggest that Putin’s interference stopped Hillary Clinton from becoming president-elect.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/11546/4-reasons-russia-didnt-swing-election-trump-ben-shapiro

There is plenty of evidence, jackass.

80,000 votes in 3 states. That's it.

Your rationalization doesn't really address the OP's points. It is sad, but wholly expected that you think that.

Critical thinking question:


1. Pick close contests: In both the British referendum and U.S. presidential votes, Russia happened upon an almost perfectly divided electorate. It took a nudge of just a few percentage points in each case to achieve victory.

Tell me how your post addresses this item. Be very specific, and be sure to address how it deals with the narrow margins of victory in those three states.

(edit)

I know I am asking you to do something you can't do. I fully expect you to either ignore it, or simply copy/paste some more bullshit.

:tu

[Clipper Nation]

Democrats during the election: "Nobody cares about Hillary's emails! They're a non-story! The real scandal is [insert fabricated Trump "scandal" of the week here]!"

Democrats after the election: "Russia and WikiLeaks cost Hillary the election by releasing all those emails!"

Which is it, libshits?

[Thread]

Democrats during the election: "Nobody cares about Hillary's emails! They're a non-story! The real scandal is [insert fabricated Trump "scandal" of the week here]!"

Democrats after the election: "Russia and WikiLeaks cost Hillary the election by releasing all those emails!"

Which is it, libshits?

CN

[boutons_deux]

Democrats during the election: "Nobody cares about Hillary's emails! They're a non-story! The real scandal is [insert fabricated Trump "scandal" of the week here]!"

Democrats after the election: "Russia and WikiLeaks cost Hillary the election by releasing all those emails!"

Which is it, libshits?

there were emails on Hillary's server, which showed nothing. Comey didn't indict but fucked her over good. These were the emails that, eg, Bernie said people don't' care about.

then there were the emails hacked by the Russians and leaked by wikileaks, and dribbled out over the weeks

typical that you fail to distinguish the two email stories is expected.

[Clipper Nation]

Hillary's emails, Podesta's emails, the DNC's emails - doesn't matter, Media and the Democrats did everything they could to downplay all of them while the election was in progress. Now that you've lost, you moonbats have started flip-flopping and hyping them up into the biggest factor in the election so you can blame Russia for your loss.

[tlongII]

There is plenty of evidence, jackass.

80,000 votes in 3 states. That's it.

Your rationalization doesn't really address the OP's points. It is sad, but wholly expected that you think that.

Critical thinking question:


Tell me how your post addresses this item. Be very specific, and be sure to address how it deals with the narrow margins of victory in those three states.

(edit)

I know I am asking you to do something you can't do. I fully expect you to either ignore it, or simply copy/paste some more bullshit.

:tu

Point #4 directly addresses that item and the other 3 address it indirectly. And yet you complain about intellectual dishonesty when you are one of the worst promulgators of it I have seen.

[mavsfan1000]

Fake news!

[Axl Rose]

BUTTHURT
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[hater]

But but USA and the CIA NEVER influenced foreign elections :cry :cry :cry

Russia is just spreding democracy

[RandomGuy]

Tell me how your post addresses this item. Be very specific, and be sure to address how it deals with the narrow margins of victory in those three states.

I know I am asking you to do something you can't do. I fully expect you to either ignore it, or simply copy/paste some more bullshit.





Point #4 directly addresses that item and the other 3 address it indirectly. And yet you complain about intellectual dishonesty when you are one of the worst promulgators of it I have seen.

So you ignored it, as predicted. :tu

Don't strain yourself.

[RandomGuy]

emails,emails, emails

http://y5vrc2wvk3a38jbuh4dvzsqnt4.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/republican-broken-record.png

Get some new material. Your shit is boring.

[RandomGuy]

I am so BUTTHURT


um, sure. If you say so.

Way to walk into that one, Gump.

[boutons_deux]

Hillary's emails, Podesta's emails, the DNC's emails - doesn't matter, Media and the Democrats did everything they could to downplay all of them while the election was in progress. Now that you've lost, you moonbats have started flip-flopping and hyping them up into the biggest factor in the election so you can blame Russia for your loss.

Comey's trashing Hillary twice over "emails", hers and others, DOES MATTER.

[Clipper Nation]

http://y5vrc2wvk3a38jbuh4dvzsqnt4.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/republican-broken-record.png

Get some new material. Your shit is boring.
So the emails weren't a big deal, then? Glad you admit that "muh Russian hackers" had no influence on the results of the election. :tu

[Clipper Nation]

Comey's trashing Hillary twice over "emails", hers and others, DOES MATTER.
Hey dipshit, Comey reopened the case on Hillary because they found a bunch of emails when they were investigating that pervert Anthony Weiner. It had nothing to do with WikiLeaks at all.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Comey's trashing Hillary twice over "emails", hers and others, DOES MATTER.

Maybe she shouldn't have set up a private server. Maybe SAP level information should not have passed through that server. Maybe she shouldn't have wiped her entire server after being told to produce emails.

[boutons_deux]

Hey dipshit, Comey reopened the case on Hillary because they found a bunch of emails when they were investigating that pervert Anthony Weiner. It had nothing to do with WikiLeaks at all.

Hey, dickless, Comey had NOTHING on Hillary when he announced, only a few days before the election, the emails on Weiner's machine. It was a Repug dirty trick. You fuckers can't win without cheating.

Polls showed Comey's slander changed a LOT of votes.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Hey, dickless, Comey had NOTHING on Hillary when he announced, only a few days before the election, the emails on Weiner's machine. It was a Repug dirty trick. You fuckers can't win without cheating.

Polls showed Comey's slander changed a LOT of votes.
Hey, dickless, the FBI is still investigating the Clinton Foundation.

[Axl Rose]

No u
Lol infantile little fake intellectual faggot

you sound like every other little baby crying on CNN after the blitz

[pgardn]

The Russians had no idea which way their playing would work.
Democrats appear to be giving their attempted fiddling way too much credit.
The Russian point is "we can play with your system". And we will make a point right back. I would really like to know what it is. The list of things we could do is quite large. Might never know, but Putin will.

As for Trump.
He won the election fairly even though he says it was rigged. Get over it.

[DMC]

What kind of world are we living in when your true intent is exposed and somehow you're the victim?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Did Russia just put its man in the White House? Americans are furiously debating the question as intelligence reports leak, Donald Trump tweets his doubts and Congress vows to investigate.

As analysts who have spent years studying Russia’s influence campaigns, we’re confident the spooks have it mostly right: The Kremlin ran a sophisticated, multilayered operation that aimed to sow chaos in the U.S. political system, if not to elect Trump outright. But you don’t need a security clearance or a background in spycraft to come to that conclusion. All you need to do is open your eyes.


So how did Putin do it?

It wasn’t by hacking election machines or manipulating the results, as some have suggested. That would be too crude. The Kremlin’s canny operatives didn’t change votes; they won them, influencing voters to choose Russia’s preferred outcome by pushing stolen information at just the right time—through slanted, or outright false stories on social media. As we detail in our recent report, based on 30 months of closely watching Russia’s online influence operations and monitoring some 7,000 accounts, the Kremlin’s troll army swarmed the web to spread disinformation and undermine trust in the electoral system.

1. Pick close contests: In both the British referendum and U.S. presidential votes, Russia happened upon an almost perfectly divided electorate. It took a nudge of just a few percentage points in each case to achieve victory.

...

2. Know your audience: In 2008 and 2012, Barack Obama’s strategists conducted a surgical influence effort, mapping key votes down to the neighborhood level. Russian operatives have borrowed from this playbook and targeted audiences vulnerable to their influence across the West—largely supporters of the “alt-right” and others angered by the perceived effects of globalization, immigration, terrorism and economic hardship. In the U.S., Russia’s blending of semi-overt and covert social media accounts use common hashtags and phrases to create what appear to be conservative Trump supporters or alt-right cheerleaders. These social media personas, whose bios are littered with words like “country,” “Christian,” “America” and “military,” then push pro-Trump hashtags loaded with skewed and fake news at American audiences, helping generate organic Trump support and distrust of the U.S. government.

3. Start early and be persistent: As early as August 2015, Russian English-language outlets and their social media allies were promoting Trump—at a time when the idea that he could actually win seemed a distant fantasy. And they kept going throughout the Republican primary, surging at key times. Put differently, Russia didn’t just intervene in the general election against Hillary Clinton—it helped him defeat his anti-Moscow GOP rivals, too. The United Kingdom observed a similar campaign. Dating back to the earliest parts of 2015, Russian media outlets incited fear of immigration and promoted Brexit advocate Nigel Farage’s accusations of American manipulation to foster popular support for the British to leave the EU.


4. Try everything. Stick with what works: Today’s Russian propagandists borrow from the playbook of their Soviet forefathers. RT and Sputnik News push political, financial, social and calamitous messages stoking fear and conspiracy into the information environment of any democratic audience suspicious or outwardly hostile to Russia. Since the summer of 2015, we’ve observed Russian messaging pushed to groups across the spectrum, the left and the right politically. Anarchists, anti-capitalists, white supremacists and anti-government militias have all received Russian English-language directed propaganda through the targeted application of bots and person-to-person engagement from what appear to be fellow Americans with strong Russian leanings.

5. Hack and release: Russia’s synchronization of hacking and influence operations provides a one-two punch for manipulating democratic audiences. In the old days, Soviet Kompromat, or compromising materials, were used by KGB agents to encourage Western officials and public figures to speak and act in ways more amenable to Soviet objectives, via threats to expose criminality, corruption or sexual misbehavior. Today, Russia’s hacking teams, two of which security researchers have dubbed Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear, conduct wide-ranging kompromat hacking into thousands of current and former Western government officials, media personalities and national security experts. Russia then strategically releases true, manipulated true, and false information to data dumpsites such as WikiLeaks. These “information nukes” fuel Russian overt propaganda and supply dozens of fringe conspiratorial news sites. Russia’s cyber kompromat playbook appears to have a new target. Germany, the key remaining player in the EU, has already noted Russian hacks against its parliament in 2015, along with a sharp uptick in propaganda ahead of the country’s upcoming elections.


6. Use brute force to overwhelm adversaries: Soviet military doctrine employed the principle of mass to counter Western forces—employing three to four times the artillery of their enemies. Once the Soviets found a break in enemy lines, they’d exploit the breach, occupy a position in the rear area of the enemy and then fight from a defensive position. Today’s Russian social media influence operations employ a similar approach. After using hacked information to craft manipulated truths, Russia propagates and amplifies stories using automated bots.

7. Win even when you lose. Russia would prefer that its chosen candidates be victorious, but losing is almost as good: Putin and company are happy just to foment chaos, confusion and doubt. It doesn’t even take much. The mere allegation that voter rolls in Illinois and Arizona had been hacked raised concerns of a rigged outcome, lending credibility to wild claims like those the Green Party’s Jill Stein leveled in Wisconsin. Even the Electoral College, historically a rubber stamp, is becoming another partisan battlefield. And now, with many Americans embittered by the nastiest election in memory and squabbling over the very question of Russian meddling, Putin can sit back and admire his handiwork. Because either way, he’s already won.

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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/how-russia-wins-an-election-214524


For those of you rationalizing it, this is the methodology.

Basically, it is a campaign of targeted lies, then you just sit back and let the lack of critical thinking on the part of your target audience do the rest.

U.S. intelligence officials have reportedly told members of Congress during classified briefings that they believe Russians passed the documents on to Wikileaks as part of an influence operation to swing the election in favor of Donald Trump.
But Murray insisted that the DNC and Podesta emails published by Wikileaks did not come from the Russians, and were given to the whistleblowing group by Americans who had authorized access to the information.
'Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians,' Murray said. 'The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.'
He said the leakers were motivated by 'disgust at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary election playing field against Bernie Sanders.'
Murray said he retrieved the package from a source during a clandestine meeting in a wooded area near American University, in northwest D.C. He said the individual he met with was not the original person who obtained the information, but an intermediary.
'I don't understand why the CIA would say the information came from Russian hackers when they must know that isn't true,' he said. 'Regardless of whether the Russians hacked into the DNC, the documents Wikileaks published did not come from that.'

Murray was a vocal critic of human rights abuses in Uzbekistan while serving as ambassador between 2002 and 2004, a stance that pitted him against the UK Foreign Office.
He describes himself as a 'close associate' of Julian Assange and has spoken out in support of the Wikileaks founder who has faced rape allegations and is currently confined to the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
Assange has similarly disputed that charges that Wikileaks received the leaked emails from Russian sources.
'The Clinton camp has been able to project a neo-McCarthyist hysteria that Russia is responsible for everything,' Assange told John Pilger during an interview in November.
'Hillary Clinton has stated multiple times, falsely, that 17 US intelligence agencies had assessed that Russia was the source of our publications. That's false – we can say that the Russian government is not the source.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html

[HI-FI]

https://i.imgflip.com/1dl3te.jpg

[hater]

https://i.imgflip.com/1dl3te.jpg

:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

https://i.imgflip.com/1dl3te.jpg

LOL...

Good one!

[RandomGuy]

I can't tell the difference between the contents of hacked mails, and the reason that emails are hacked in the first place

Nuance does tend to be lost on morons, that doesn't surprise me. :tu

[RandomGuy]

U.S. intelligence officials have reportedly told members of Congress during classified briefings that they believe Russians passed the documents on to Wikileaks as part of an influence operation to swing the election in favor of Donald Trump.
But Murray insisted that the DNC and Podesta emails published by Wikileaks did not come from the Russians, and were given to the whistleblowing group by Americans who had authorized access to the information.
'Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians,' Murray said. 'The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.'
He said the leakers were motivated by 'disgust at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary election playing field against Bernie Sanders.'
Murray said he retrieved the package from a source during a clandestine meeting in a wooded area near American University, in northwest D.C. He said the individual he met with was not the original person who obtained the information, but an intermediary.
'I don't understand why the CIA would say the information came from Russian hackers when they must know that isn't true,' he said. 'Regardless of whether the Russians hacked into the DNC, the documents Wikileaks published did not come from that.'

Murray was a vocal critic of human rights abuses in Uzbekistan while serving as ambassador between 2002 and 2004, a stance that pitted him against the UK Foreign Office.
He describes himself as a 'close associate' of Julian Assange and has spoken out in support of the Wikileaks founder who has faced rape allegations and is currently confined to the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
Assange has similarly disputed that charges that Wikileaks received the leaked emails from Russian sources.
'The Clinton camp has been able to project a neo-McCarthyist hysteria that Russia is responsible for everything,' Assange told John Pilger during an interview in November.
'Hillary Clinton has stated multiple times, falsely, that 17 US intelligence agencies had assessed that Russia was the source of our publications. That's false – we can say that the Russian government is not the source.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html

So some emails weren't hacked.

Does this somehow mean Russia wasn't actively trying to influence the election with hacks of their own?

Yes or no will do.

[RandomGuy]

The Russians had no idea which way their playing would work.
Democrats appear to be giving their attempted fiddling way too much credit.
The Russian point is "we can play with your system". And we will make a point right back. I would really like to know what it is. The list of things we could do is quite large. Might never know, but Putin will.

As for Trump.
He won the election fairly even though he says it was rigged. Get over it.

The thing is that the election was decided on a VERY narrow basis. Less than a hundred thousand people in three states. That's all that was required to move the needle. The influence in overall terms was small, but how much of a push did it need? 80,000 votes out of 120,000,000, is less than .07% .

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol infantile little fake intellectual faggot

you sound like every other little baby crying on CNN after the blitz

So you have nothing as usual and instead go for some emotional nonsense and baseless insults.

How typical.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So some emails weren't hacked.

Does this somehow mean Russia wasn't actively trying to influence the election with hacks of their own?

Yes or no will do.

Assuming what Murray said was true and the DNC and Podesta emails published by Wikileaks did not come from the Russians...which other hacks are you referring to? Guccifer was not a Russian hacker.

[RandomGuy]

So some emails weren't hacked.

Does this somehow mean Russia wasn't actively trying to influence the election with hacks of their own?

Yes or no will do.


Assuming what Murray said was true and the DNC and Podesta emails published by Wikileaks did not come from the Russians...which other hacks are you referring to? Guccifer was not a Russian hacker.

Not the thrust of my question, which was primarily intended to illustrate a critical thinking principle. Feel free to ignore it. My lunch hour is over, and spoon-feeding conservatives critical thinking principles is beginning to take on a Sisyphean aspect.

[hater]

:lmao NSA and NIA dont support CIAs "conclusions"

:lmao OP believing the CIA now :lmao

[Axl Rose]

So you have nothing as usual and instead go for some emotional nonsense and baseless insults.

How typical.
There's nothing to say, he is crying over spoiled milk, he needs to suck it up. Wrote a letter to the DNC and tell them to run a better campaign next time or something damn

[housious]

:lmao NSA and NIA dont support CIAs "conclusions"

:lmao OP believing the CIA now :lmao

CIA: You want us to testify before congress on our "Russian Haxorzz" intel? lol no thx

[hater]

:lmao even Kerry bailing on this cooked story :lol hes not commenting on anonymous stories :lmao

[IceColdBrewski]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzvUloYWQAUqr7m.jpg

[DMC]

X is the problem!

Proof:

Prove X isn't the problem!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There's nothing to say, he is crying over spoiled milk, he needs to suck it up. Wrote a letter to the DNC and tell them to run a better campaign next time or something damn

You have anything other than characterizations that are based on emotional derision and completely lack substance?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao NSA and NIA dont support CIAs "conclusions"

:lmao OP believing the CIA now :lmao

Looked up NSA Russian hack and it brought up sputnik.com right off.

[Chucho]

LOLiberals in full-on tinfoil hat mode.

LOVE RG trying to coax faux acknowlegement from people on a sports message board like it's an admission that will change anything.

Fuzzy comes out of hiding to try and discredit people based on pseudo psychology.

Boutons being Boutons when getting skull fucked.

Guys, never change. The results of the Election aren't. The entertainment of watching the Left's weekly conspriacy theories and their desperation is good stuff.

[SnakeBoy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzvUloYWQAUqr7m.jpg

:lol pretty much sums it up

[Axl Rose]

You have anything other than characterizations that are based on emotional derision and completely lack substance?
Yeah when op posts something of substance We will discuss it

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah when op posts something of substance We will discuss it
> Substance
> Leftists

Choose one.

[rmt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzvUloYWQAUqr7m.jpg

You forgot all the sexists who wouldn't vote a female in as president.

[rmt]

The thing is that the election was decided on a VERY narrow basis. Less than a hundred thousand people in three states. That's all that was required to move the needle. The influence in overall terms was small, but how much of a push did it need? 80,000 votes out of 120,000,000, is less than .07% .

See it as he needed to win only 1 of those 3 states to get to/past 270 - instead he won all 3.

[boutons_deux]

It took Fox News three months to acknowledge the Russians hacked the election — but they finally did

After months of denying that the Russians had any involvement in the election, Fox News has finally revealed that the Russians hacked the election (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/putin-turned-russia-election-hacks-in-trumps-favor-u-s-officials/).

According to MediaMatters (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/12/15/after-weeks-denials-fox-news-independently-confirms-russian-interference-us-election/214837),

Fox News’ chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge explained that the conservative network independently verified that the hack was real.

Herridge reported that Russian cyber militias went after US systems as part of “an effort to interfere in the US election.”

“These operations were sanctioned by the highest levels of the Russian government,” Herridge continued.

“After the FBI director’s July statement about the Clinton email investigation, a government source says there was a reluctance to further insert government institutions and their assessments into an already deeply politicized election cycle.

A leading cybersecurity expert says the intelligence community reviewed the techniques, tactics, and procedures leveraged in the attacks and made the link to Russia.

In October, the agencies and Homeland Security, or DHS, went on the record, though Putin was not mentioned by name.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/it-took-fox-news-three-months-to-acknowledge-the-russians-hacked-the-election-but-they-finally-did/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

So how is Don The Con, ( "I won in a landslide, fair and square") now his staff ROTTEN with Fox people, going to play this one? :lol

[Wild Cobra]

"Cyber backed."

That is a very ambiguous phrase, and could mean just about anything, including being routed through an internet server in Russia.

It is meaningless. Not enough detail.

What do they mean by "highest levels?"

And... "Though Putin was not mentioned by name."

You guys and your stupid confirmation bias. Where are the actual facts, rather than innuendo?

[boutons_deux]

And hyper-cautious Obama ain't cautious no more

Obama vows action against Russia over election hacks

US President Barack Obama has vowed to take action against Russia for its alleged interference in the US presidential election campaign.

"We need to take action and we will," he told US radio station NPR.

"I think there's no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact on the integrity of our elections, that we need to take action and we will, at a time and a place of our own choosing.

"Some of it may be explicit and publicised. Some of it may not be.

"Mr Putin is well aware of my feelings about this, because

I spoke to him directly about it."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38337109

Holy Shit! :lol

[Chucho]

He isnt going to do anything. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. It would need evidence and backbone and he has neither. Just an unending supply of sour grapes.

[Wild Cobra]

He isnt going to do anything. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. It would need evidence and backbone and he has neither. Just an unending supply of sour grapes.
Yep.

He has neither the evidence, or the balls.

That's why Hillary is scary. She might actually start WWIII with Russia, and cream her panties over it.

[Thread]

He isnt going to do anything. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. It would need evidence and backbone and he has neither. Just an unending supply of sour grapes.

Chooch

[boutons_deux]

The FBI spent tons of resources investigating Hillary's emails, and then Comey fucks her over twice.

Pootin cracking the US election? FBI yawns.

[Thread]

The FBI spent tons of resources investigating Hillary's emails, and then Comey fucks her over twice.

Pootin cracking the US election? FBI yawns.

ha, ha.

[boutons_deux]

this one nasty bitch, typical of you Trash and Pootin fellators

Trump spokeswoman says ignoring Russian espionage is patriotic

Trump himself also suggests hacking is okay because it reveal juicy information about the Democratic primary.

Kellyanne Conway blasted White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest for his Thursday comments. Earnest had mentioned (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-calls-white-house-spokesman-josh-earnest-foolish-guy-n696751) that, at Trump’s most recent press conference in July (https://thinkprogress.org/trump-publicly-encourages-russia-to-hack-hillary-clintons-email-28cfe1b5b2c5#.s9o4q27zf), then-candidate Trump had publicly asked Russia to hack Hillary Clinton’s deleted emails and release them.

Asked by host Martha MacCallum whether President Obama could muzzle Earnest, Conway called on him and Hillary Clinton to “shut down” questions about Russia’s role in Trump’s surprise victory.

“If you want to shut this down and love the country enough to have the peaceful transition in great democracy between the Obama administration and the Trump administration,”

she said, “there are a couple people in prominent positions, one named Hillary Clinton and Obama, since people want to fight for her election, they can shut this down.”

Trump himself, per usual, took to Twitter on Friday morning to minimize the importance of the topic,

arguing the ends justify the means and falsely claiming that the DNC acted illegally.

Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

Are we talking about the same cyberattack where it was revealed that head of the DNC illegally gave Hillary the questions to the debate?

Conway also argued that the Russian hacking can’t have been important because it was not the main focus of the Clinton campaign prior to Election Day, as “ Beyonce and Jay-Z” didn’t “warn everybody about the Russian hacking interference.”

A day early Trump falsely claimed (https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-russia-hacking-tweet-jason-miller-52df404dbdf0#.us9tgr25k) the Clinton campaign had not raised the issue at all until after the election.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-spokeswoman-says-ignoring-russian-espionage-is-patriotic-c5d9f3e48793#.v7j4hvqb8

[boutons_deux]

Trump has been lying about the Russian hack. He just accidentally admitted it himself.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_960w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/12/14/Foreign/Images/2016_AP_Year_End_Photos-82216.jpg&w=1484


As Trump tweeted Thursday (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/809403760099422208): “If Russia, or some other entity, was hacking, why did the White House wait so long to act? Why did they only complain after Hillary lost?”

This is not some small offhand remark. It represents an effort by Trump — one that is going to continue — to construct an alternative narrative to replace the increasingly substantiated one in which Russia may have in fact tried to interfere in our election to help him, which would obviously carry enormous significance on many levels.

But Friday, Trump send out a new tweet that accidentally reveals that he knows this entire narrative is a lie:


(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1980294624/DJT_Headshot_V2_normal.jpgDonald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

Are we talking about the same cyberattack where it was revealed that head of the DNC illegally gave Hillary the questions to the debate?
5:09 AM - 16 Dec 2016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/809717035353722880)



18,95718,957 Retweets (https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=809717035353722880)

57,91657,916 likes (https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=809717035353722880)



Trump is referring here to news (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dnc-interim-chairwoman-passed-debate-questions-along-to-clinton-campaign/) that broke in late October:

That a hacked email showed that interim DNC chair Donna Brazile may have leaked a Democratic primary debate question to Clinton’s campaign in advance.

Brazile publicly blamed this leak on Russian hackers (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dnc-interim-chairwoman-passed-debate-questions-along-to-clinton-campaign/) who were out to divide Democrats by feeding the perception among Bernie Sanders supporters that the DNC was putting its thumb on the scales for her.

This built on a

formal statement (https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/us-government-officially-accuses-russia-of-hacking-campaign-to-influence-elections/2016/10/07/4e0b9654-8cbf-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html) that the intelligence community put out earlier in October declaring itself “confident” that Russia was trying to interfere in the elections by hacking into DNC emails.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/16/trump-has-been-lying-about-the-russian-hack-he-just-accidentally-admitted-it-himself/?utm_term=.e89450686912&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

[Thread]

Trump has been lying about the Russian hack. He just accidentally admitted it himself.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_960w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/12/14/Foreign/Images/2016_AP_Year_End_Photos-82216.jpg&w=1484


As Trump tweeted Thursday (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/809403760099422208): “If Russia, or some other entity, was hacking, why did the White House wait so long to act? Why did they only complain after Hillary lost?”

This is not some small offhand remark. It represents an effort by Trump — one that is going to continue — to construct an alternative narrative to replace the increasingly substantiated one in which Russia may have in fact tried to interfere in our election to help him, which would obviously carry enormous significance on many levels.

But Friday, Trump send out a new tweet that accidentally reveals that he knows this entire narrative is a lie:


(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1980294624/DJT_Headshot_V2_normal.jpgDonald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

Are we talking about the same cyberattack where it was revealed that head of the DNC illegally gave Hillary the questions to the debate?
5:09 AM - 16 Dec 2016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/809717035353722880)



18,95718,957 Retweets (https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=809717035353722880)

57,91657,916 likes (https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=809717035353722880)



Trump is referring here to news (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dnc-interim-chairwoman-passed-debate-questions-along-to-clinton-campaign/) that broke in late October:

That a hacked email showed that interim DNC chair Donna Brazile may have leaked a Democratic primary debate question to Clinton’s campaign in advance.

Brazile publicly blamed this leak on Russian hackers (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dnc-interim-chairwoman-passed-debate-questions-along-to-clinton-campaign/) who were out to divide Democrats by feeding the perception among Bernie Sanders supporters that the DNC was putting its thumb on the scales for her.

This built on a

formal statement (https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/us-government-officially-accuses-russia-of-hacking-campaign-to-influence-elections/2016/10/07/4e0b9654-8cbf-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html) that the intelligence community put out earlier in October declaring itself “confident” that Russia was trying to interfere in the elections by hacking into DNC emails.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/16/trump-has-been-lying-about-the-russian-hack-he-just-accidentally-admitted-it-himself/?utm_term=.e89450686912&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1




That Assange fellow claims it wasn't the Russians.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOLiberals in full-on tinfoil hat mode.

LOVE RG trying to coax faux acknowlegement from people on a sports message board like it's an admission that will change anything.

Fuzzy comes out of hiding to try and discredit people based on pseudo psychology.

Boutons being Boutons when getting skull fucked.

Guys, never change. The results of the Election aren't. The entertainment of watching the Left's weekly conspriacy theories and their desperation is good stuff.

What pseudo psychology, dim? What disorder or behavioral psychology terms did I use? All I get from this is your ignorance.

And not posting everyday because I have things other to do than fuck off at work and home doesn't make it hiding.

It will be a first if you were to address what he says directly and on merit rather than the these lame deflections.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah when op posts something of substance We will discuss it

The OP is a nonpartisan source that describes Russia's methods and efficacy empirically using several examples of other countries and specific tactics.

That is not substance yet you and your ilk's constant ad hominems, memes, and/or emotional characterizations is valid? It's typical cowardice but I don't think even you are so stupid to think what you claim is valid.

[boutons_deux]

Don The Con Trash says he respects Pootin, why? where did that come from?

Trash and Repugs prefer a murderous, $200B-corrupt dictator to USA's own knitter?

And millions of rightwing racists, rednecks, KKK, ignorant Repug sheeple fall in line, loving Pootin! :lol


How The Right-Wing Media Helped Trump Voters Warm Up To Putin

Putin is an authoritarian “strongman (http://www.npr.org/2012/02/27/147516734/putin-101-understanding-russias-strongman)” who has

cracked (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/20/donald-trump-defends-vladimir-putin-endorsement) down (http://www.businessinsider.com/list-of-people-putin-is-suspected-of-assassinating-2016-3) in Russia on freedom of speech and freedom of the press,

signed into law draconian anti-gay (https://mic.com/articles/58649/russia-s-anti-gay-law-spelled-out-in-plain-english#.s3XnsGUPl) legislation, and

invaded (http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/08/01/trump-s-fact-free-comments-russias-annexation-crimea-roundly-condemned/212070) and annexed (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31796226) the Crimean Peninsula, part of Ukraine.

Nevertheless, for years, right-wing media have praised (http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/09/09/right-wing-medias-love-affair-with-putin-contin/195803) Vladimir Putin as a great (http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/11/17/fox-analyst-i-want-a-leader-with-the-strength-o/206903)leader (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/04/for-russia-with-love-right-wing-media-mad-for-v/198324), comparing (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/06/a-right-wing-media-star-is-born-vladimir-putin/195756) him favorably (http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/03/03/on-fox-giuliani-praises-putin-hes-what-you-call/198316) against Obama. (aka the Muslim knitter)

Fox figures have consistently lauded (http://mediamatters.org/embed/static/clips/2013/09/06/31839/fnc-20130905-an-petersgutless) the Russian autocrat as “a real he-man” and have (http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2013/09/09/31882/fnc-al-20130909-maccallumsyria) claimed (http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2013/09/09/31884/fnc-sr-20130909-carlsonsyria) that Putin has “come to the diplomatic rescue” of President Obama.

One Fox host even went so far as to proclaim (http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/08/26/fox-host-requests-putin-be-us-president-for-48/200559) that she would like Putin to be president of the United States “for 48 hours,” so he could fight ISIS.

In 2014, conservative commentator

Pat Buchanan suggested that Putin is “one of us” (http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/patrick-j-buchanan/putin-one-us) and applauded (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/04/pat-buchanan-god-is-on-putins-side-while-the-we/198745) him for “planting Russia’s flag firmly on the side of traditional Christianity”

with his policies against reproductive rights and LGBTQ rights — evidence, Buchanan suggested, that God is on Putin’s side in his clash with the West.

Even conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh once admitted (http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-freaked-out-that-he-agrees-with-vladimir-putin-on-banning-gay-adoption/) that Putin was “saying things I agree with” when the Russian president announced that he “opposed the adoption of Russian orphans by lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender foreign couples.”

Trash voters .... voted for a candidate in Trump

who is openly sympathetic (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37303057) to the autocrat and even

invited his government to (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/donald-trump/article92103212.html)hack personal emails from Trump’s Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton.

According to the poll, 35 percent of Trump voters and 37 percent of registered Republicans now hold a “favorable” view of Putin.

even though the U.S. intelligence community has stated (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national) that its members are “confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations,”

some right-wing media are siding with Putin and downplaying (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/12/13/clash-between-us-intelligence-agencies-and-russia-foxs-tucker-carlson-picks-russia/214806) the severity (http://mediamatters.org/embed/static/clips/2016/12/13/51502/fnc-ff-20161213-naprussialeak) of the hacks.
(he's talkin about y'all racist Spurstalkers! :lol)

Security experts have characterized (http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/11/29/msnbc-terrorism-analyst-details-deliberate-and-massive-russian-propaganda-effort-elect-donald-trump/214659) the Russian interference in the 2016 election as “Watergate 2.0” and “a concern (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/08/britain-faces-fundamental-threat-sovereignty-russian-meddling/) to all those who share democratic values,”

but the president-elect, who has consistently been enabled by those same conservative media figures, insists (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/11/politics/trump-russia-hacking-election/) the claims of Russian interference are “just another excuse” and that he does not “believe it.”

It seems, that right-wing media will follow Trump’s lead and continue to use Putin’s personality to advance partisan goals over the national security of the United States.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/right-wing-media-trump-voters-putin/

Your Trash fellators have been, are, and will be conned and suckered by Trash.

And you pride yourselves on your "USA Fuck Yeah" patriotism, while fellatin Pootin.

[mavsfan1000]

Except Russia didn't do it. And Obama is so bent out of shape about the election results, he may just start WWIII.

[Axl Rose]

The OP is a nonpartisan source that describes Russia's methods and efficacy empirically using several examples of other countries and specific tactics.

That is not substance yet you and your ilk's constant ad hominems, memes, and/or emotional characterizations is valid? It's typical cowardice but I don't think even you are so stupid to think what you claim is valid.
No politico is not an unbiased source, their stuff reads like satire, feels like I am reading the onion. And even if they were objective, and they're not, they still offer no fucking proof of their claims. If there were real proof of Russia hacking our election it would be tied up in court right now and you know it. Putin is just taunting obama his whipping boy, telling him to prove it. I issue the same challenge to the OP

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No politico is not an unbiased source, their stuff reads like satire, feels like I am reading the onion. And even if they were objective, and they're not, they still offer no fucking proof of their claims. If there were real proof of Russia hacking our election it would be tied up in court right now and you know it. Putin is just taunting obama his whipping boy, telling him to prove it. I issue the same challenge to the OP

Tied up in court under what law? Be specific.

And what basis do you have for Politico being partisan? I guess in your world the National Review is nonpartisan.

And of course you would take the Russian dictators word.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Except Russia didn't do it. And Obama is so bent out of shape about the election results, he may just start WWIII.

This is asinine. I can understand that some third party could have done it and made it to look like Russia or other possible scenarios but to ignore the issue and what they have done with other elections out of hand is just partisan nonsense.

[DarrinS]

Lol, being dumb enough to get phished.

[boutons_deux]

Barry should have warned this Repug operative after he trashed Hillary the first time,

then gone "crazy pissed-off knitter" and fired him the morning after he trashed Hillary the 2nd time

Report: James Comey Now Agrees With CIA, Russia Interfered to Help Trump

A new report claims that FBI Director James Comey is now on board with the CIA’s assessment (http://www.mediaite.com/online/cia-concluded-russia-intervened-in-election-to-help-trump-wapo-reports/) that Russia interfered with the US Presidential election to, in part, help President-elect Donald Trump win.

In a new report, The Washington Post quoted an internal memo from CIA director John Brennan to his subordinates, in which Brennan told the agency’s workforce that Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have come around to the CIA’s assessment after meeting several days ago.

“Earlier this week, I met separately with (Director) FBI James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election,” Brennan said.

“The three of us also agree that our organizations, along with others, need to focus on completing the thorough review of this issue that has been directed by President Obama and which is being led by the DNI.”

According to the report, Russia did not have a “single purpose” for intervening in the election.

But CIA briefers told key Senators that it’s now “quite clear” that Russia interfered with the intent of helping Donald Trump win the White House.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/report-james-comey-now-agrees-with-cia-russia-interfered-to-help-trump/

[mavsfan1000]

James Comey needs to go to hell. Letting off Hillary is one thing. This takes it to another level of dishonesty.

[boutons_deux]

Obama: 'We handled it the way it should have been handled’

WASHINGTON — President Obama said Friday that successor Donald Trump and other Republicans should join him in pushing back at Russian interference in the recent presidential election.

"The Russians were responsible for hacking" the Democratic National Committee, Obama said during a White House news conference, and confronting them over it should be a "bipartisan" concern.

Obama suggested he would retaliate against the Russians over the hack, but did not say specifically how. The president said he personally told Russian counterpart Vladmir Putin to stop the hacking, and that there would be "consequences" for such actions.
In some cases, he said, "the message will be directly received by the Russians and not publicized."

Under criticism from some Democrats for not acting before the Nov. 8 election day, Obama told reporters he held off talking much about the hack attack back then because people in a "hyper partisan" atmosphere would accuse him of trying to influence the vote. "It would have just become one more political scrum," he said.

At the White House, Obama declined to say where he thought Russian cyber espionage cost Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton the election, though he did assail the "troubling" news coverage of her candidacy -- particularly the hacked message as disclosed by Wikileaks.

Citing one example, he mocked the media for reporting on the leaked risotto recipe of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta

-- Declined to give his views on the decision by FBI Director James Comey to disclose new developments in the Clinton private e-mail investigation just days before the election; Clinton aides have also blamed Comey for the Democratic candidate's surprising election loss

-- Declared Thursday -- the deadline for signing up for coverage under the Obama health care law -- as the biggest day in Obamacare history, with more than 670,000 people signing up for coverage.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/16/obama-year-end-news-conference-trump-russia-hacking/95515212/

[TheSanityAnnex]

Obama sure tapped danced around that question. He wouldn't answer yes if it was 100% Russia.

[Chris]

4RZ8nIjd_fQ

[Trill Clinton]

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809860165637902336

barry went IN!! i'm probably one of his biggest critics here but he brought the ether. called russia a small little country that doesn't produce anything...basically called them the dollar general of the world lol. i will say i'm going to miss having an articulate, calculated president.

he was right about these fake patriots too. its embarrassing to see so many "patriots" sucking off russia right now http://i66.tinypic.com/141744.jpg

the same people with american flags in their yards and screaming MAGA are on their knees living the cuck life right now.

[Thread]

809860539316891648


809860165637902336

barry went IN!! i'm probably one of his biggest critics here but he brought the ether. called russia a small little country that doesn't produce anything...basically called them the dollar general of the world lol. i will say i'm going to miss having an articulate, calculated president.

he was right about these fake patriots too. its embarrassing to see so many "patriots" sucking off russia right now http://i66.tinypic.com/141744.jpg

the same people with american flags in their yards and screaming MAGA are on their knees living the cuck life right now.

I'll boil it down for ya, sweetheart:::

Trump: 1

Hillary: O

[pgardn]

809860539316891648


809860165637902336

barry went IN!! i'm probably one of his biggest critics here but he brought the ether. called russia a small little country that doesn't produce anything...basically called them the dollar general of the world lol. i will say i'm going to miss having an articulate, calculated president.

he was right about these fake patriots too. its embarrassing to see so many "patriots" sucking off russia right now http://i66.tinypic.com/141744.jpg

the same people with american flags in their yards and screaming MAGA are on their knees living the cuck life right now.

They are just a big ole petroleum producer. With our help.
This is a country of vast mineral wealth and farmland that has never been able to break out of a sustained economic cancer. The inefficiency and corruption are so firmly established I don't really know what they can do except possibly break into more pieces that have some autonomy. But that produces nuke problems.

And Boots thinks the US is Fd...

[pgardn]

I'll boil it down for ya, sweetheart:::

Trump: 1

Hillary: O

Has absolutely zero meaning.

[Thread]

Has absolutely zero meaning.

I'll just bet it does.

[Trill Clinton]

I'll boil it down for ya, sweetheart:::

Trump: 1

Hillary: O
i don't care. i didn't vote for hillary

[CosmicCowboy]

Has absolutely zero meaning.

:lol ask Hillary if it has meaning.

[pgardn]

:lol ask Hillary if it has meaning.

Russia being an economic basket case has nothing to do with her own problems of corruption and sense of privilege. If anything she has quite a lot in common with Putin.

This funny. Republicans siding with the Democratic crybaby machine.

[boutons_deux]

Republicans move from Russian denial to Russian apologists (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/16/1611804/-Republicans-move-from-Russian-denial-to-Russian-apologists)

Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/politics/kfile-rohrabacher-russian-hacking/index.html) is ready to move past denying that Russia was involved in hacking private email servers for the purpose of disrupting the presidential election. Way past. Rohrabacher has no problem with Russians shifting through people’s mail. In fact, the United State congressman thinks meddling in a United States election is worth a little celebration.


Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher said Thursday that it was "terrific" that voters got more truthful information about Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, regardless of whether the hackers were Russian. ...

"The hackers, whether or not they're Russian hackers, I don't know," :lol

the California congressman said. "I know the CIA and the FBI disagree as to who the hackers are. But whether they're Russian hackers or any other hackers, the only information that we were getting from hackers was accurate information, was truthful. And that's not gonna turn the tide. If the American people have been given more truthful information, that's terrific."


In fact, the FBI is in full agreement (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-backs-cia-view-that-russia-intervened-to-help-trump-win-election/2016/12/16/05b42c0e-c3bf-11e6-9a51-cd56ea1c2bb7_story.html) with the CIA, both that Russia was the source of the hacks, and that they were done to aid Donald Trump. But Rohrabacher isn't the only (https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/809824970079633411) Republican who is cheering for a foreign power hacking into private email accounts under the supervision of an autocratic despot.


Rep Chris Collins on CNN suggests Russia hack was positive in that it revealed email contents. “It was the truth that came out.”



In Rohrabacher’s case, his love of Putin goes way back.

He was one of just 23 congressmen to vote against loan guarantees for Ukraine, and

one of just seven who didn’t oppose Russia’s invasion of Crimea. Instead,

Rohrabacher praised Putin, and said that Crimea had a “destiny with Russia.”

Collins is most famous for making statements (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/insensitive-inexcusable-gov-wanna-be-slam-speaker-silver-bounds-article-1.433624) comparing to the Jewish speaker of the New York State Assembly with Adolf Hitler and the Antichrist.

Both would surely welcome someone hacking into their own personal email to see what else they might have said in private. After all, that would just be giving people “more truthful information.”

It’s clear that “It’s a good thing we were hacked” is the new alt-white talking point. (https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/809824970079633411)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/16/1611804/-Republicans-move-from-Russian-denial-to-Russian-apologists?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

You Repugs elect some the shittiest, slimiest, scummiest human beings

[boutons_deux]

And Boots thinks the US is Fd...

compare USA with Russia? false equivalence.

[DMC]

Tied up in court under what law? Be specific.

And what basis do you have for Politico being partisan? I guess in your world the National Review is nonpartisan.

And of course you would take the Russian dictators word.

Lol.. like you have some special right to demand specificity while the article you're defending doesn't provide the least amount of it. :lol

Never change Fuzzy, you're a hoot. A real life ass clown. Now thumb through your "smart words to use online" book and offer up some passive aggressive, gender fluid retort.

[DMC]

809860539316891648


809860165637902336

barry went IN!! i'm probably one of his biggest critics here but he brought the ether. called russia a small little country that doesn't produce anything...basically called them the dollar general of the world lol. i will say i'm going to miss having an articulate, calculated president.

he was right about these fake patriots too. its embarrassing to see so many "patriots" sucking off russia right now http://i66.tinypic.com/141744.jpg

the same people with american flags in their yards and screaming MAGA are on their knees living the cuck life right now.

Good lord, rise above your stereotype. Obama has nothing to lose right now, he's playing with house money. He can say whatever he likes, he's a short timer.

[boutons_deux]

he's a short timer.

USA sanctions, freezing assets would find support in Germany and France, and probably UK, all of whom have seen Russia cyber-attacking their countries.

There are white authoritarian hyper-nationalists types in those countries (they're everywhere, right here ST) who would bitch and moan about their country defending itself. Fuck 'em to hell, everywhere.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ad hominem. Baseless assertion. Smilie

Ad hominem. Ad hominem. Ad hominem.

As usual DMC has nothing substantive to use.

Oh and suck my diction.

[DMC]

As usual DMC has nothing substantive to use.

Oh and suck my diction.

:lmao dance forum monkey dance!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao dance forum monkey dance!

What gives you a sense of accomplishment is pretty pathetic. Gives a sense of yours scope though.

[DMC]

What gives you a sense of accomplishment is pretty pathetic. Gives a sense of yours scope though.

Like throwing peanuts into the chimp cage and watching them go nuts over it. Easy action, high return on investment.

Please continue..

[IceColdBrewski]

Obama putting Russia on double secret probation.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/15/obama-says-us-needs-to-respond-to-russian-cyberattacks-and-will.html



"I think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections ... we need to take action," Obama said. "And we will — at a time and place of our own choosing. Some of it may be explicit and publicized; some of it may not be."

Uh oh. Shit just got real. :rolleyes

YEAH, I'LL GET EM BACK...but, ya know...maybe later,when I feel like it...and probably just won't tell anyone...

WTF kind of response is that? :lol

If hacking by the Russians affected our election results the way Dems want to act like it did, then I'm not sure I could've imagined a more pussified response from our fearless leader. Russians affecting OUR election results is nothing short of an act of WAR...right? He really wimped out there. Or maybe he knows that Dems ultimately have only themselves to blame, since all the "Russian hackers" did was expose the skeletons the Dems had hiding in their closets? http://sportshoop.la/images/smilies2/noidea.gif

[FuzzyLumpkins]

DMC is feeling lonely looking to troll.

I'm still curious what law would allow the election to be tied up in court over a foreign power tampering. Who exactly do you sue/prosecute etc.

[ElNono]

2. Hillary Was Wildly Unpopular The Entire Election Cycle.

"rationalizing" the election, it really boils down to this. The minorities that gave states like Florida to Barry didn't show up, and give credit to Trump for saying what the rust belt voters wanted to hear...

The dislike for Shillary predates the electoral campaign, tbh... Trump was heavily disliked too, but he played his cards right.

[lefty]

809860539316891648


809860165637902336

barry went IN!! i'm probably one of his biggest critics here but he brought the ether. called russia a small little country that doesn't produce anything...basically called them the dollar general of the world lol. i will say i'm going to miss having an articulate, calculated president.

he was right about these fake patriots too. its embarrassing to see so many "patriots" sucking off russia right now http://i66.tinypic.com/141744.jpg

the same people with american flags in their yards and screaming MAGA are on their knees living the cuck life right now.
Bama is afraid of Putin

Has always been :cry

[pgardn]

"rationalizing" the election, it really boils down to this. The minorities that gave states like Florida to Barry didn't show up, and give credit to Trump for saying what the rust belt voters wanted to hear...

The dislike for Shillary predates the electoral campaign, tbh... Trump was heavily disliked too, but he played his cards right.

Oh but the winner has got to be special in some way on this board.Simply Because they won.
Flip a coin, heads.
Heads is the bestest ever.

[pgardn]

Bama is afraid of Putin

Has always been :cry

Yeah.
And That changes everything.
If Putin went dojo on him the world would change.
Foreign relations is basically MMA between leaders.

So I wanna see a Merkel/Assad PPV.

[Winehole23]

Oh but the winner has got to be special in some way on this board.Simply Because they won.
Flip a coin, heads.
Heads is the bestest ever.HRC had one job: beat the most unpopular candidate ever.

She failed, and deservdly so.

Dems should have had a clue after 2008 what a terrible campaigner HRC is.

[pgardn]

HRC had one job: beat the most unpopular candidate ever.

She failed, and deservdly so.

Dems should have had a clue after 2008 what a terrible campaigner HRC is.

It certainly appears this way.
And it does not make Trump the savior.

I will give Trump credit for making himself available to the press during the campaign while Clinton went into seclusion.

[Chucho]

What pseudo psychology, dim? What disorder or behavioral psychology terms did I use? All I get from this is your ignorance.

And not posting everyday because I have things other to do than fuck off at work and home doesn't make it hiding.

It will be a first if you were to address what he says directly and on merit rather than the these lame deflections.

LOL, what changed beween everyday before Election and now? You hate the outcome and whereas, had you won, you' d have been more of a rashy **** than you were leading up to Election Day. You're flat out lying if you and the fellow deplorables say you werent gloating like this race was over a week prior to Election Day. You can lie and suggest a busy life, conviently after you swallowed your pre-mature ejaculate on the 8th, but your patterns suggest hiding because you were ready to be cock of the walk but hid when you found out you were slaughter bound. You're not as smart as you think you are. You are a self-indulgent idelogue crier.

There was no deflection in my comment, just ne running down you crazy nutjobs and your crazy crackpot theories. LOL at broad generalizations like "they hacked the elections". Really? What specifically did they do? Twits.

[Thread]

The Democrats wanted the recounts to yes, turn it over en mass, but, they would've settled for 2 out of the 3. PA. + MI. turns over 36. That leaves it at 270-268. + that Texas asshole and it's 269-269. Then all they've got to do is turn 1 and it's all over except for the shoutin'.

[Thread]

LOL at broad generalizations like "they hacked the elections". Really? What specifically did they do? Twits.


Chooch

[Reck]

HRC had one job: beat the most unpopular candidate ever.

She failed, and deservdly so.

Dems should have had a clue after 2008 what a terrible campaigner HRC is.

And she would have without the Comey intervention. That was a game changer.

[angrydude]

1. lol @ all the hypocrite democrats who kept saying Hillary's private email server was no big deal.
2. Wikileaks says someone in the DNC LEAKED the emails to them, regardless of Russia hacked them too. Wikileaks has been called a lot of things, but dishonest is not one of them (unlike the US Govt).
3. Even if the story is exactly like they say, OH GOD NO, RUSSIA DID THE JOB OF THE US PRESS BY REVEALING TRUE THINGS ABOUT A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE THAT WANTS TO GO TO WAR WITH RUSSIA FOR HER DONORS!!!

[pgardn]

1. lol @ all the hypocrite democrats who kept saying Hillary's private email server was no big deal.
2. Wikileaks says someone in the DNC LEAKED the emails to them, regardless of Russia hacked them too. Wikileaks has been called a lot of things, but dishonest is not one of them (unlike the US Govt).
3. Even if the story is exactly like they say, OH GOD NO, RUSSIA DID THE JOB OF THE US PRESS BY REVEALING TRUE THINGS ABOUT A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE THAT WANTS TO GO TO WAR WITH RUSSIA FOR HER DONORS!!!

It was a big deal not because of the content, but because it proved that her privileged status of not having to take precautions and being too stubborn to even admit it was a big mistake until it was way late. Same thing with the Clinton foundation. She was so intent tight roping legal lines it caught up with her. Tough luck. She payed the price for her stubborn privileged ways. Bernie had already exposed her.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL, what changed beween everyday before Election and now? You hate the outcome and whereas, had you won, you' d have been more of a rashy **** than you were leading up to Election Day. You're flat out lying if you and the fellow deplorables say you werent gloating like this race was over a week prior to Election Day. You can lie and suggest a busy life, conviently after you swallowed your pre-mature ejaculate on the 8th, but your patterns suggest hiding because you were ready to be cock of the walk but hid when you found out you were slaughter bound. You're not as smart as you think you are. You are a self-indulgent idelogue crier.

There was no deflection in my comment, just ne running down you crazy nutjobs and your crazy crackpot theories. LOL at broad generalizations like "they hacked the elections". Really? What specifically did they do? Twits.

Dimwit, I told Manny the week before the election that the polls were leading to a possible Trump win. I have been posting here since. Try and keep up.

Also it helps that if you are going to call someone dumb you point out something stupid they said or did. All I get from this is you have an inferiority complex because I made you feel dumb at some point. Your behavior is typical from people I have done that to. You are compensating pretty obviously.

And yes your posturing with constant ad hominems is a deflection. You at least finally asked a question and what a stupid question it was. They phished the DNC and Podesta's emails and released them in the leadup to the election. It should not be hard to figure out yet it is for you.

Now close your mouth when you are just sitting there.

[spurtech09]

Looks like Obama is aim to stay........Well atleast it looks that way.....Anti-Christ Obama is going to be the last president? Who knows....will found out soon.......either way I don't trust Obama,Hilary,or Trump.....Focus on Jesus Christ....Jesus is the Savior ...

[spurtech09]

Seems like Obama is trying to cause a war.....That's just my opinion though.....

[Clipper Nation]

LOL, what changed beween everyday before Election and now? You hate the outcome and whereas, had you won, you' d have been more of a rashy **** than you were leading up to Election Day. You're flat out lying if you and the fellow deplorables say you werent gloating like this race was over a week prior to Election Day. You can lie and suggest a busy life, conviently after you swallowed your pre-mature ejaculate on the 8th, but your patterns suggest hiding because you were ready to be cock of the walk but hid when you found out you were slaughter bound. You're not as smart as you think you are. You are a self-indulgent idelogue crier.

There was no deflection in my comment, just ne running down you crazy nutjobs and your crazy crackpot theories. LOL at broad generalizations like "they hacked the elections". Really? What specifically did they do? Twits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ePQKD9iBfU

[Winehole23]

And she would have without the Comey intervention. That was a game changer.counterfactuals are unfalsifiable.

I think her demise was both strategic and tactical. HRC was devoid of of compelling ideas of her own and she took too much for granted in key states she couldn't afford lo lose.

HRC turned too many people off long before Comey reinserted his foot.

[Winehole23]

I will give Trump credit for making himself available to the press during the campaign while Clinton went into seclusion.Trump made himself the story and the MSM was only too happy to play along. It was great TV.

[Winehole23]

http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.rs/2016/12/is-deep-state-at-war-with-itself.html

[Will Hunting]

And she would have without the Comey intervention. That was a game changer.

Do you really think the Comey shit mattered in states like Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/Michigan? I don't see how a bunch of voters who were exclusively concerned with bringing jobs back would be swayed by that kind of stuff (just like how the grab her by the pussy comment didn't do anything to dissuade them from voting for Trump).

Face it, Hilary got greedy/arrogant and had no way to overcome 30 years of Clinton politics that made the DNC the party free trade/Wall Street/globalism. She gave voters in placed like central Pennsylvania absolutely no reason the vote for her.

[Wild Cobra]

Face it, Hilary got greedy/arrogant and had no way to overcome 30 years of Clinton politics that made the DNC the party free trade/Wall Street/globalism. She gave voters in placed like central Pennsylvania absolutely no reason the vote for her.

Maybe this time, Bill is ashamed to be married to her?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Do you really think the Comey shit mattered in states like Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/Michigan? I don't see how a bunch of voters who were exclusively concerned with bringing jobs back would be swayed by that kind of stuff (just like how the grab her by the pussy comment didn't do anything to dissuade them from voting for Trump).

Face it, Hilary got greedy/arrogant and had no way to overcome 30 years of Clinton politics that made the DNC the party free trade/Wall Street/globalism. She gave voters in placed like central Pennsylvania absolutely no reason the vote for her.

The polls speak for themselves. After Comey made his statement the polls in the states you act incredulous about suddenly went to neck and neck.

Hillary definitely was a shitty candidate that few out of Wasserman and Schumer wanted anywhere on the spectrum but that does not preclude the effect the FBI Chief's statement had. Recall, Trump was a monumentally shitty candidate too.

[Will Hunting]

The polls speak for themselves. After Comey made his statement the polls in the states you act incredulous about suddenly went to neck and neck.

Hillary definitely was a shitty candidate that few out of Wasserman and Schumer wanted anywhere on the spectrum but that does not preclude the effect the FBI Chief's statement had. Recall, Trump was a monumentally shitty candidate too.
The polls had her up by 11 points in Pennsylvania heading into Election Day.

Keep in mind that while it was blown out of proportion, she could have avoided the Comey thing by not having a private email server she wasn't supposed to have.

[CosmicCowboy]

Clinton did it to herself. She ran an insulting campaign that underestimated the intelligence of the average voter.

The 'what does it matter now!" comment in front of Congress played very, very badly.

Her "what, like wipe it with a cloth?" *then the smug smile* just radiated dishonesty.

The 'deplorable" comment was highly insulting to half the country.

The emails may not have really been a big deal but her continual lying about them was.

Hiding from the press for almost a year cost her a lot in the "honesty and openness" category. She arrogantly assumed that staged sound bites was all she needed to win.

Trump sucked but she equally sucked as a candidate.

[CosmicCowboy]

https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p403x403/15380600_10211102025167480_8214029208966087364_n.j pg?oh=e3bc4ae8ad3d39674d235fb89fec7ddc&oe=58B4D7C0

[CosmicCowboy]

Of course, that meme is wrong. Putin's loved having Obama as President.

[Reck]

Do you really think the Comey shit mattered in states like Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/Michigan? I don't see how a bunch of voters who were exclusively concerned with bringing jobs back would be swayed by that kind of stuff (just like how the grab her by the pussy comment didn't do anything to dissuade them from voting for Trump).

Face it, Hilary got greedy/arrogant and had no way to overcome 30 years of Clinton politics that made the DNC the party free trade/Wall Street/globalism. She gave voters in placed like central Pennsylvania absolutely no reason the vote for her.

I would probably agree with that if those states you mentioned were flimsy and could have gone either way but every polling suggested otherwise. Partly, it is her fault for not putting more efforts into Michigan and Pennsylvania but when every other major polling were telling you you were good by a margin of 4-5 points, you're not exactly dying to go defend that.

As uncredited as Nate Silver is now, he wrote an article detailing how Comey had a big effect polling wise and how it swung late voters toward Trump.

[rmt]

I would probably agree with that if those states you mentioned were flimsy and could have gone either way but every polling suggested otherwise. Partly, it is her fault for not putting more efforts into Michigan and Pennsylvania but when every other major polling were telling you you were good by a margin of 4-5 points, you're not exactly dying to go defend that.

As uncredited as Nate Silver is now, he wrote an article detailing how Comey had a big effect polling wise and how it swung late voters toward Trump.

She didn't even go to Wisconsin and that's what took him to 270 - didn't need MI or PA.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't think it had anything to do with campaign stops. She just sucked as a candidate and was totally uninspiring to young voters despite piggybacking her appearances on the back of pop concerts to draw crowds. Hanging with Beyonce didn't do anything to make her appear any more attractive to younger voters and was probably a negative with middle class middle aged voters. Older voters that had been around for her 30+ years of public life remembered all the dirt from whitewater to cattle futures to her buddies at the Rose Law Firm going to prison and didn't trust her.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The polls had her up by 11 points in Pennsylvania heading into Election Day.

Keep in mind that while it was blown out of proportion, she could have avoided the Comey thing by not having a private email server she wasn't supposed to have.

All the polls were converging to zero as the election neared.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5964.html

All the late PA polls were within the margin of error and all less than half of what you claimed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p403x403/15380600_10211102025167480_8214029208966087364_n.j pg?oh=e3bc4ae8ad3d39674d235fb89fec7ddc&oe=58B4D7C0

It was able to swing a close election but Barry dominated his elections and your assertion as to their efficacy is wrong as are your takes usually, fattie.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's hilarious that you fantasize I'm fat. If you are skinny, then good for you. You deserve to be proud even if you are still a skinny loser. i'm sure it's better than being a fat loser.

[Axl Rose]

WHERE IS THE PROOF? Emails were released by a 400lb hacker how is that rigging an election. Don't have dirty laundry, don't have to worry about it getting released. If trump were also a satanic pedophile then we'd want to know that too. Go fuck off to one of your spirit cooking events and stop clogging up bandwidth with stupid ass bullshit

[Axl Rose]

You can't just fucking run around repeating CNN like a retard yelling "muh putin" until it magically becomes fact. No one, not one fucking person has presented a shred of evidence outside of "some unnamed ex CIA source says." Presenting information to people and allowing them to decide isn't rigging or hacking anyway

[CosmicCowboy]

However a sitting President claiming the next President only won the election due to "Russian Interference" is totally unprecedented. Totally Classless to try to undermine the next President before he even has a chance to take office.

[Axl Rose]

And that's all it is, trying to undermine and stifle him at every step of the way, essentially sabotaging our nation. These traitors ought to be held accountable

[Th'Pusher]

However a sitting President claiming the next President only won the election due to "Russian Interference" is totally unprecedented. Totally Classless to try to undermine the next President before he even has a chance to take office.

the sitting president didn't say that. If you haven't noticed, he's very careful with his words. That's one thing I'll miss about Barry... not to mention the new total lack of class that will be inhabiting the west wing.

[CosmicCowboy]

the sitting president didn't say that. If you haven't noticed, he's very careful with his words. That's one thing I'll miss about Barry... not to mention the new total lack of class that will be inhabiting the west wing.

pardon me. Insinuating instead of claiming. So careful with words.

[Pelicans78]

Blaming the Russians for Hillary losing is always a convenient excuse for her being a horrible candidate.

[Th'Pusher]

pardon me. Insinuating instead of claiming. So careful with words.

I don't think it was insinuated either. He explicitly said there was no tampering with the election results. You republicans are so protective of the legitimacy of Donald's presidency, you've allowed the fact that a foreign government attempted to affect our election to be an afterthought. It's sad tbh.

[CosmicCowboy]

OK, no tampering and didn't effect the result. If it even happened like you claim it did.

So what the fuck are you bitching about?

[Winehole23]

you don't have a problem with foreign countries fucking with our democratic process?

how magnanimous.

[Chucho]

Germans make better villians. And we could take them in a fight.

[Wild Cobra]

Germans make better villians. And we could take them in a fight.

Like colonel Klink?

[rmt]

Like colonel Klink?

Are posters here old enough to know Colonel Klink? Hahaha. I hear nothing. I see nothing. I know nothing - loved that show.

[Wild Cobra]

Are posters here old enough to know Colonel Klink? Hahaha. I hear nothing. I see nothing. I know nothing - loved that show.

It's one of the TV series in my collection.

I have shows like Rat Patrol, It tales a Thief, and a few other oldies.

[Thread]

Germans make better villians. And we could take them in a fight.

They're an easy clean. It's safe to call them out---they ain't comin' back at you. Anytime they get uppity, just say "Hitler" --- or, "Holocaust" --- or, "Holocaust" --- or, "Holocaust" Everything gets back in order immediately.

[boutons_deux]

Blaming the Russians for Hillary losing is always a convenient excuse for her being a horrible candidate.

She was and is miles better than Don The Con Trash.

If Trash was so good, or not-bad, why did Trash lose by nearly 3M votes?

[tlongII]

She was and is miles better than Don The Con Trash.

If Trash was so good, or not-bad, why did Trash lose by nearly 3M votes?

Because California is filled with idiots like you.

[Thread]

She was and is miles better than Don The Con Trash.

If Trash was so good, or not-bad, why did Trash lose by nearly 3M votes?

Bottom line:::Trump shoved her, head first, straight into the earth.

ha, ha.

[DMX7]

Totally Classless to try to undermine the next President before he even has a chance to take office.

You must not have been living here in the USA circa 2008. That or you have a short and/or selective memory.

[CosmicCowboy]

You must not have been living here in the USA circa 2008. That or you have a short and/or selective memory.

What did Bush do to undermine Obama? Be specific.

[DMX7]

What did Bush do to undermine Obama? Be specific.

I'm not talking about Bush. But plenty of conservatives tried to undermine him. Just look at the birther non-sense.

[baseline bum]

Clinton did it to herself. She ran an insulting campaign that underestimated the intelligence of the average voter.

The 'what does it matter now!" comment in front of Congress played very, very badly.

Her "what, like wipe it with a cloth?" *then the smug smile* just radiated dishonesty.

The 'deplorable" comment was highly insulting to half the country.

The emails may not have really been a big deal but her continual lying about them was.

Hiding from the press for almost a year cost her a lot in the "honesty and openness" category. She arrogantly assumed that staged sound bites was all she needed to win.

Trump sucked but she equally sucked as a candidate.

I think one thing that killed the bitch was when she acted like she had the campaign wrapped up after the third debate. When she was talking about expanding the Democrats' electoral map into Arizona and Georgia and how she was going to deliver a landslide win to give the Democrats an undeniable mandate. That just screamed something that was going to come back and bite her in the ass. LOL putting money into Arizona which was always a huge longshot and ignoring Wisconsin even though Sanders slaughtered her in the primary there.

[CosmicCowboy]

I think one thing that killed the bitch was when she acted like she had the campaign wrapped up after the third debate. When she was talking about expanding the Democrats' electoral map into Arizona and Georgia and how she was going to deliver a landslide win to give the Democrats an undeniable mandate. That just screamed something that was going to come back and bite her in the ass. LOL putting money into Arizona which was always a huge longshot and ignoring Wisconsin even though Sanders slaughtered her in the primary there.

Yeah. "Texas is in play!"

:lmao

[RD2191]

Russian ambassador to Turkey shot dead.

[baseline bum]

Yeah. "Texas is in play!"

:lmao

LOL Texas has been supposed to be purple since 2008. :lol

[Spurminator]

If we keep moving Californians to Texas at the rate we're going, it may not be that far off.

[Wild Cobra]

She was and is miles better than Don The Con Trash.

If Trash was so good, or not-bad, why did Trash lose by nearly 3M votes?

Because he played by the rules.

[Trill Clinton]

Russian ambassador to Turkey shot dead.

President Obama laying cacs out

[turkish spurs fan]

russian ambassador's death is very big possibly work of gulenists.

[Axl Rose]

russian ambassador's death is very big possibly work of gulenists.
I hope you get nuked you fucking roach. Turkroaches trying to start ww3 in order to keep obama in office. Nice try but if Russia decides to smash your shit we won't back you up because you all fired the first shot twice now

[boutons_deux]

I hope you get nuked you fucking roach. Turkroaches trying to start ww3 in order to keep obama in office. Nice try but if Russia decides to smash your shit we won't back you up because you all fired the first shot twice now

your dear Repugs lied USA into starting this unending, unwinnable shit in the M/E for BigOil, or have you conveniently forgotten that Inconvenient Truth?

Let's see how Don The Con handles that "reality".

[Axl Rose]

your dear Repugs lied USA into starting this unending, unwinnable shit in the M/E for BigOil, or have you conveniently forgotten that Inconvenient Truth?

Let's see how Don The Con handles that "reality".
Donald will back putin

[DMX7]

The photographer had some real guts here. I would have been too afraid to take that picture.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/world/europe/russia-ambassador-shot-ankara-turkey-report.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=image&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

[Axl Rose]

The photographer had some real guts here. I would have been too afraid to take that picture.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/world/europe/russia-ambassador-shot-ankara-turkey-report.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=image&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Was all a set up for max publicity, you had better believe erdoturd knew about this

[RD2191]

President Obama laying cacs out

:hat

[boutons_deux]

Donald will back putin

yep, Vlad has your Don the Con by the balls, with Vlad's vids of Trash snorting coke and fucking whores in Moscow.

[Axl Rose]

Russia, don't take the bait. A major war with Russia would allow Obama to stay in office. Fuck you roaches

[CosmicCowboy]

Russia, don't take the bait. A major war with Russia would allow Obama to stay in office. Fuck you roaches

No fucking way. He and Moochelle are gone in 30 days.

[Spurminator]

Was all a set up for max publicity, you had better believe erdoturd knew about this


I hope you get nuked you fucking roach. Turkroaches trying to start ww3 in order to keep obama in office. Nice try but if Russia decides to smash your shit we won't back you up because you all fired the first shot twice now


Russia, don't take the bait. A major war with Russia would allow Obama to stay in office. Fuck you roaches

Meltdown commencing

[CosmicCowboy]

The photographer had some real guts here. I would have been too afraid to take that picture.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/world/europe/russia-ambassador-shot-ankara-turkey-report.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=image&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Damn, that shit is real. You are right, that photographer had some big balls...

[mavsfan1000]

No fucking way. He and Moochelle are gone in 30 days.
:toast

[DMX7]

No fucking way. He and Moochelle are gone in 30 days.

"Moo"chelle? You are such a racist. You don't even hide it. :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

"Moo"chelle? You are such a racist. You don't even hide it.

How is that racist?

[boutons_deux]

How is that racist?

it's sexist (women as cows), but that's how you white male supremacists roll.

[CosmicCowboy]

She reminds you of a cow? :lol

Never even occurred to me.

[DMX7]

it's sexist (women as cows), but that's how you white male supremacists roll.

It's racist and sexist -- he scores double on that one. LOL, and then pretends like he didn't mean anything by "Moo"chelle. Give me a break.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's racist and sexist -- he scores double on that one. LOL, and then pretends like he didn't mean anything by "Moo"chelle. Give me a break.

Please explain how it is racist, faggot.

[Axl Rose]

Racist is just a made up word so that they can bully you, shut down arguments and get what they want. Don't even acknowledge it or get drawn in, you'll never win their game

[DMX7]

Please explain how it is racist, faggot.

Oh, and now using homophobic slurs? Sad!

[Reck]

CosmicRainbow gets so defensive. No one can argue with the douche without him getting triggered and calling people faggots. Projecting much?

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol

You faggots still can't explain how it's racist.

[mavsfan1000]

"Moo"chelle? You are such a racist. You don't even hide it. :lol
I thought of it like mooch. As in wasting taxpayers money on vacations.

[DMX7]

I thought of it like mooch. As in wasting taxpayers money on vacations.

That's ridiculous. I've never heard that before.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol

You faggots still can't explain how it's racist.

You fat shame women yet are fat. You dislike homosexuals yet you reflexively defend pedophiles. I do find it interesting how you confuse a lack of personal accountability with machismo.

[spursistan]

Where the fuck were the ambassador personal bodyguards? nigga who shot him still managed to make a standing speech over his corpse :lol..

[CosmicCowboy]

You fat shame women yet are fat. You dislike homosexuals yet you reflexively defend pedophiles. I do find it interesting how you confuse a lack of personal accountability with machismo.

Fuzzy making up shit as usual. What a surprise.

[RD2191]

Where the fuck were the ambassador personal bodyguards? nigga who shot him still managed to make a standing speech over his corpse :lol..

Wasn't it his own bodyguard that shot him?

[CosmicCowboy]

Another terror attack with a truck in a crowd. This time in Berlin.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-truck-idUSKBN148287

[spursistan]

Wasn't it his own bodyguard that shot him?
Apparently yes, but a man of his stature-- official representative of a country knee deep in a regional conflict-- in hotspot like Turkey should have more than single bodyguard glued to him on every step...

this is a more scandalous security breach than Benghazi..

[boutons_deux]

this is a more scandalous security breach than Benghazi..

Benghazi! :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15589858_2160871827471989_1232636785502779536_n.jp g?oh=9ccfcd52ca5efdb586d6f40f42c18743&oe=58B03F6C

[spursistan]

russian ambassador's death is very big possibly work of gulenists.

Yeah, Russia's intelligence services reportedly played a big role in tipping off Erdogan about the coup attempt..

[spursistan]

810926339138142208

"claiming to be" :lmao...

update:

well shit..he was indeed, which still pathetic security failure..


810904646281822208

[turkish spurs fan]

what?

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/810975610033975296

"RUSSIA: The head of one of the Russian Foreign Ministry's departments has been found shot dead in Moscow - @loogunda (https://twitter.com/loogunda)

[TheSanityAnnex]

Good article from Greenwald

Anonymous leaks to the Washpost about the CIA's Russia beliefs are no substitute for evidence

https://cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence.html?amp_js_v=6#

[Adam Lambert]

Good article from Greenwald

Anonymous leaks to the Washpost about the CIA's Russia beliefs are no substitute for evidence

https://cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence.html?amp_js_v=6#

lmaolmaolmao this article coming from you

[boutons_deux]

BUSTED: Trump thought Russian hacking was a ‘big problem’ before his 2016 election victory

Two years before the saga of Russian intervention in the 2016 U.S. Election and the alleged connections between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, the president-elect once thought Russian hacking was actually a problem,

in 2014, speaking on Chinese hacking and FBI director James Comey’s comments on the matter, Trump said, “I’ve been talking about China for a long time. You know, they put on the front like, we’re your friend and everything, and in the meantime the cash comes out of your back pocket.”

“It’s disgraceful what’s going on with China generally,” he continued. “No, I think he’s 100% right,

it’s a big problem, and we have that problem also with Russia. You saw that over the weekend. Russia’s doing the same thing.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/trump-thought-russian-hacking-was-a-big-problem-before-his-2016-election-victory/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

:lol

[Wild Cobra]

BUSTED: Trump thought Russian hacking was a ‘big problem’ before his 2016 election victory

Two years before the saga of Russian intervention in the 2016 U.S. Election and the alleged connections between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, the president-elect once thought Russian hacking was actually a problem,

in 2014, speaking on Chinese hacking and FBI director James Comey’s comments on the matter, Trump said, “I’ve been talking about China for a long time. You know, they put on the front like, we’re your friend and everything, and in the meantime the cash comes out of your back pocket.”

“It’s disgraceful what’s going on with China generally,” he continued. “No, I think he’s 100% right,

it’s a big problem, and we have that problem also with Russia. You saw that over the weekend. Russia’s doing the same thing.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/trump-thought-russian-hacking-was-a-big-problem-before-his-2016-election-victory/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

:lol
"Always some genius who can figure it out."

So... They were speaking of corporate spying. Not the government, right?

[ElNono]

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15589858_2160871827471989_1232636785502779536_n.jp g?oh=9ccfcd52ca5efdb586d6f40f42c18743&oe=58B03F6C

Off topic, but great deal on Hams at HEB right now, tbh

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy making up shit as usual. What a surprise.

Knee replacement + age + lack of impulse control + sitting around all day + fixating on food= fat.

You defend Hastert, indict his victims, and support every pedo teacher ever brought up.

It is what it is, fattie.

[IceColdBrewski]

BUSTED: Trump thought Russian hacking was a ‘big problem’ before his 2016 election victory

Two years before the saga of Russian intervention in the 2016 U.S. Election and the alleged connections between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, the president-elect once thought Russian hacking was actually a problem,

in 2014, speaking on Chinese hacking and FBI director James Comey’s comments on the matter, Trump said, “I’ve been talking about China for a long time. You know, they put on the front like, we’re your friend and everything, and in the meantime the cash comes out of your back pocket.”

“It’s disgraceful what’s going on with China generally,” he continued. “No, I think he’s 100% right,

it’s a big problem, and we have that problem also with Russia. You saw that over the weekend. Russia’s doing the same thing.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/trump-thought-russian-hacking-was-a-big-problem-before-his-2016-election-victory/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

:lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0Er2RNWIAAm0Pk.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

Knee replacement + age + lack of impulse control + sitting around all day + fixating on food= fat.

You defend Hastert, indict his victims, and support every pedo teacher ever brought up.

It is what it is, fattie.

Defending Hastert is a fantasy you have perpetuated ad nauseum. Wasn't true then and isn't true now but it fits your butthurt narrative. Saying I would have loved to have been "victimized" by a hot teacher when I was 17 isn't necessarily defending pedo teachers. The fact that you apparently find hot women unattractive says more about you than your baseless attacks on me, faggot.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Defending Hastert is a fantasy you have perpetuated ad nauseum. Wasn't true then and isn't true now but it fits your butthurt narrative. Saying I would have loved to have been "victimized" by a hot teacher when I was 17 isn't necessarily defending pedo teachers. The fact that you apparently find hot women unattractive says more about you than your baseless attacks on me, faggot.

:lol you're fat.

Go ahead and equivocate but I am not the only one. I n fact when it was at its peak is when you started sending out PMs asking people to stop being so mean. :cry

Of course you were still a douche within 12 hours helping underscore the lack of self control we were discussing.

[Axl Rose]

:lol you're fat.

Go ahead and equivocate but I am not the only one. I n fact when it was at its peak is when you started sending out PMs asking people to stop being so mean. :cry

Of course you were still a douche within 12 hours helping underscore the lack of self control we were discussing.
Post your pic big boy

[DMX7]

BUSTED: Trump thought Russian hacking was a ‘big problem’ before his 2016 election victory

Two years before the saga of Russian intervention in the 2016 U.S. Election and the alleged connections between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, the president-elect once thought Russian hacking was actually a problem,

in 2014, speaking on Chinese hacking and FBI director James Comey’s comments on the matter, Trump said, “I’ve been talking about China for a long time. You know, they put on the front like, we’re your friend and everything, and in the meantime the cash comes out of your back pocket.”

“It’s disgraceful what’s going on with China generally,” he continued. “No, I think he’s 100% right,

it’s a big problem, and we have that problem also with Russia. You saw that over the weekend. Russia’s doing the same thing.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/trump-thought-russian-hacking-was-a-big-problem-before-his-2016-election-victory/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

:lol

It's pretty easy to bust trump. He has taken both sides of every issue imaginable. No one knows what he believes other than that he loves attention and himself.

[Thread]

It's pretty easy to bust trump. He has taken both sides of every issue imaginable. No one knows what he believes other than that he loves attention and himself.

If all goes to hell in a hand basket at least he put a stopper in the bottle on -Clinton-. And trust me...Bill wanted it every fucking bit as much as the old lady did. Him muggin' for the cameras for 8 years woulda killed me.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Post your pic big boy

:lol you're fat too.

[boutons_deux]

Report: Russian cybergang scored millions in fake-ad scam (Update)

A Russian criminal group is running a massive fraud that has been siphoning off millions of digital advertising dollars a day for a couple of months, a firm that specializes in detecting online-ad fraud says.

The scam may have cost brands, and potentially media companies, hundreds of millions of dollars.

The New York-based firm White Ops said in a Wednesday report that the "Methbot" scam made it appear that hundreds of thousands of people, mostly in the U.S., were watching real video ads from real companies on more than 6,000 fake websites that mimicked well-known publishers, including CNN, ESPN, Vogue and The New York Times. Nobody was actually watching.

The criminal ring's gains come out of the pockets of companies paying for digital ads and also, potentially, of the websites that could have hosted those ads.

White Ops President Eddie Schwartz said he can't put a total value on the amount the Russian group has stolen, because it's not clear when the scam began. But the firm

estimates that the scammers were getting $3 million to $5 million per day since roughly early October, and the fraud is still going on.
The revelation of the fraud and ongoing anxiety about where ad dollars are going could make it harder for legitimate web publishers to make money from ads if brands become more suspicious

http://phys.org/news/2016-12-russian-cybergang-scored-millions-fake-ad.html

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/YfO4nSV.jpg

[boutons_deux]

'DNC hackers' used mobile malware to track Ukrainian artillery – researchers

Frontline battlefield operatives are Fandoids?

The Russian hacking crew controversially linked to hacks against the Democrat Party during the US election allegedly used Android malware to track Ukrainian artillery units from late 2014 until 2016, according to new research.

Threat intelligence firm CrowdStrike reckons that mobile malware was used to harvest communications and some locational data from infected devices. The operation (https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/danger-close-fancy-bear-tracking-ukrainian-field-artillery-units/) provided intelligence in order to direct strikes against the artillery ranged against pro-Russian separatists fighting in eastern Ukraine.

The mobile malware used in the op is a variant of a remote access tool used against the Democratic National Committee, according to CrowdStrike. X-Agent, the cross platform remote access toolkit in play in both ops, was developed by the "Fancy Bear" hacking group and used exclusively by them, according to the report.

This and other similarities have allowed CrowdStrike to link the Ukrainian hacking operation to Fancy Bear (APT 28), a hacking crew linked by US intelligence to GRU, Russia's military intelligence agency. The filename "Попр-Д30.apk" of a malicious Android app used to carry out the spying is linked to a legitimate application which was initially developed domestically within Ukraine by an officer of the 55th Artillery Brigade, according to CrowdStrike. The legitimate app provided a targeting guide to using the D-30 122mm towed howitzer, a Soviet-era artillery piece that’s still in service.

This is not something you’re going to find in regular app stores. More than 9,000 artillery personnel in the Ukrainian military used the application, according to the report. Fancy Bear’s X-Agent implant was covertly distributed on Ukrainian military forums within a legitimate Android application, according to CrowdStrike, which says the whole hacking pop bears the hallmarks of a military operation.

Successful deployment of the Fancy Bear malware within this application may have facilitated reconnaissance against Ukrainian troops.

The ability of this malware to retrieve communications and gross locational data from an infected device makes it an attractive way to identify the general location of Ukrainian artillery forces and engage them.

"This cannot be a hands-off group or a bunch of criminals, they need to be in close communication with the Russian military," CrowdStrike co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch told (http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-cyber-ukraine-idUKKBN14B0CU) Reuters

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/22/android_malware_tracked_ukrainian_artillery/

[Nbadan]

Cybersecurity firm finds evidence that Russian military unit was behind DNC hack


Source: Washington Post
Cybersecurity firm finds evidence that Russian military unit was behind DNC hack
By Ellen Nakashima
@nakashimae
https://twitter.com/nakashimae

December 22 at 12:00 AM


A cybersecurity firm has uncovered strong proof of the tie between the group that hacked the Democratic National Committee and Russias military intelligence arm the primary agency behind the Kremlins interference in the 2016 election.

The firm CrowdStrike linked malware used in the DNC intrusion to malware used to hack and track an Android phone app used by the Ukrainian army in its battle against pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine from late 2014 through 2016.

While CrowdStrike, which was hired by the DNC to investigate the intrusions and whose findings are described in a new report, had always suspected that one of the two hacker groups that struck the DNC was the GRU, Russias military intelligence agency, it had only medium confidence.

Now, said CrowdStrike co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch, we have high confidence it was a unit of the GRU. CrowdStrike had dubbed that unit Fancy Bear. ... The FBI, which has been investigating Russias hacks of political, government, academic and other organizations for several years, privately has concluded the same. But the bureau has not publicly drawn the link to the GRU.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cybersecurity-firm-finds-a-link-between-dnc-hack-and-ukrainian-artillery/2016/12/21/47bf1f5a-c7e3-11e6-bf4b-2c064d32a4bf_story.html

[Wild Cobra]

Cybersecurity firm finds evidence that Russian military unit was behind DNC hack


Source: Washington Post
Cybersecurity firm finds evidence that Russian military unit was behind DNC hack
By Ellen Nakashima
@nakashimae
https://twitter.com/nakashimae

December 22 at 12:00 AM



Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cybersecurity-firm-finds-a-link-between-dnc-hack-and-ukrainian-artillery/2016/12/21/47bf1f5a-c7e3-11e6-bf4b-2c064d32a4bf_story.html

LOL...

So now they are admitting to two hacker groups.

LOL...
Maybe one should ask a simple question...

Why would a foreign entity want to hack the DNC?

[Nbadan]

Fpr the same reason Nixon stepped down after watergate...Political espionage...



A hacker using the handle "Guccifer 2.0" has released a new trove of documents apparently pilfered from the Democratic National Committee. The files, all related to Hillary Clinton's presidential bid, include opposition research documents and extensive talking points concerning various Clinton controversies, ranging from the 2012 Benghazi attack to the FBI's investigation into her use of a private email server.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/hacker-releases-another-set-dnc-documents-hillary-clinton

[Nbadan]

The way it works is simple. First, Kremlin insiders or other powerful individuals buy, steal or manufacture incriminating information about an opponent, an enemy, or any other person who poses a threat to powerful interests. Then, they publish it, destroying the target’s reputation in order to settle public scores or manipulate public events.

If American officials and analysts are correct in their assessment that Russia was behind this spring’s hack of the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, it seems that kompromat is being translated to the international stage.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/world/europe/dnc-hack-russia.html?_r=0

[Nbadan]

Thom talks about Donald Trump's recent comments encouraging Russia to hack the DNC, and the long history of treason by Republican presidential nominnes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfixv2pbH9Y

[boutons_deux]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/world/europe/dnc-hack-russia.html?_r=0

Pootin has hours of vids of Trash in Moscow with whores and coke.

Trash's adoration of Pootin is otherwise hard to explain. OK, it's also another way for Repug/VRWC, always so classy, to trash the knitter, preferring a murderous Russian dictator to an American knitter.

[Thread]

Pootin has hours of vids of Trash in Moscow with whores and coke.

Trash's adoration of Pootin is otherwise hard to explain. OK, it's also another way for Repug/VRWC, always so classy, to trash the knitter, preferring a murderous Russian dictator to an American knitter.

Trump crapped the crappers. lmao!!!

[tlongII]

Pootin has hours of vids of Trash in Moscow with whores and coke.

Trash's adoration of Pootin is otherwise hard to explain. OK, it's also another way for Repug/VRWC, always so classy, to trash the knitter, preferring a murderous Russian dictator to an American knitter.

Trump doesn't smoke, drink, or do drugs you dumbass.

[Thread]

Trump doesn't smoke, drink, or do drugs you dumbass.

Exactly. "If you don't start, you never have to stop." - Trump

[boutons_deux]

Trump doesn't smoke, drink, or do drugs you dumbass.

Eyewitnesses orgied with him fucking lots of girls and doing coke

[tlongII]

Eyewitnesses orgied with him fucking lots of girls and doing coke

Bullshit.

[Axl Rose]

Eyewitnesses orgied with him fucking lots of girls and doing coke
"Eyewitnesses"

lol

[Clipper Nation]

"Eyewitnesses"

lol
Boutards jacked off in the corner while it was going on.

[mavsfan1000]

Boutards jacked off in the corner while it was going on.
:lol

[boutons_deux]

http://therightscoop.com/younger-girls-sex-lot-sex-lot-cocaine-daily-beast-trumps-parties/

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Pootin has hours of vids of Trash in Moscow with whores and coke.

Trash's adoration of Pootin is otherwise hard to explain. OK, it's also another way for Repug/VRWC, always so classy, to trash the knitter, preferring a murderous Russian dictator to an American knitter.

Why would Trump need whores when he's famous enough he can go up to normal women and grab them by the pussy?

[boutons_deux]

http://www.cjr.org/images-body/NY4.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

OK...

Anyone...

Why would Russia want to hack the DNC?

[Th'Pusher]

OK...

Anyone...

Why would Russia want to hack the DNC?

So they can help Donald Trump win an election of course?

[Wild Cobra]

So they can help Donald Trump win an election of course?

Let's follow that thought.

Why would they want to help him?

[mavsfan1000]

This is getting ridiculous. If anything, it was rigged in certain locations to help Hillary. Like Detroit for instance. ;)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Let's follow that thought.

Why would they want to help him?

Because he is a Russian sympathizer willing to undermine NATO and forgive/ignore Russian imperialism.

This shouldn't be hard, dimwit.

[Wild Cobra]

Because he is a Russian sympathizer willing to undermine NATO and forgive/ignore Russian imperialism.

This shouldn't be hard, dimwit.
Are you stuck to that idea, or do you deny other possibilities?

[CosmicCowboy]

We basically have three major powers in the world...The US, Russia, and China.

Does it make sense to have a cold war style adversarial relationship with Russia while forcing them into a closer relationship with China?

[Wild Cobra]

We basically have three major powers in the world...The US, Russia, and China.

Does it make sense to have a cold war style adversarial relationship with Russia while forcing them into a closer relationship with China?

Why don't these libtards understand that we want a respectful relationship with them. Not the bullshit Obama and Hillary have been spouting.

[boutons_deux]

"we want a respectful relationship with them"

bullshit

USA + NATO used Ukrainian neo-Nazis to overthrow Pootin's puppet, US missiles in Eastern Europe are pointed at Russia, and US has encircled Russia with other US installations.

[Th'Pusher]

Are you stuck to that idea, or do you deny other possibilities?


We basically have three major powers in the world...The US, Russia, and China.

Does it make sense to have a cold war style adversarial relationship with Russia while forcing them into a closer relationship with China?


Why don't these libtards understand that we want a respectful relationship with them. Not the bullshit Obama and Hillary have been spouting.

Remember when you two were up in arms when Obama asked Medvedev for "space" and "more flexibility after the election"?

[CosmicCowboy]

Remember when you two were up in arms when Obama asked Medvedev for "space" and "more flexibility after the election"?

Please furnish the quote where I was "up in arms".

Back up your bullshit claim or shut the fuck up.

[Th'Pusher]

Please furnish the quote where I was "up in arms".

Back up your bullshit claim or shut the fuck up.

Its an educated guess based on probability. You've whined like a bitch about everything Obama's done for the last eight years :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

I was just blowing smoke out of my ass and making shit up.

[Wild Cobra]

"we want a respectful relationship with them"

bullshit

USA + NATO used Ukrainian neo-Nazis to overthrow Pootin's puppet, US missiles in Eastern Europe are pointed at Russia, and US has encircled Russia with other US installations.




My God.

Just when I think you can't get any more stupid, you do!

Yanukovych was nobody's puppet. The UN had unreasonable demands in exchange to help the Ukraine, that the parliament voted NO on the demands. Because of this, Yanukovych asked Russia for help. That's why the criminal elements of the Ukraine committed treason in overthrowing him. They are ethnic bigots, and would take no deal with Russia. Obama supports the treason!

This has been brought up over and over.

Just how brain-dead are you?

[boutons_deux]

Pootin has "turned" Assange, too, just like Trash

Julian Assange has kind words for Donald Trump, says Russia has “vibrant” criticism of Vladimir Putin’s governmentAssange comes out with big praise for journalism in Russia, where critical journalists have been murdered
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/27/julian-assange-has-kind-words-for-donald-trump-says-russia-has-vibrant-criticism-of-vladimir-putins-government/

:lol

[Wild Cobra]

Remember when you two were up in arms when Obama asked Medvedev for "space" and "more flexibility after the election"?

Huh?

No, I don't recall any such exchange.

Link please.

[Wild Cobra]

Its an educated guess based on probability. You've whined like a bitch about everything Obama's done for the last eight years :lol

No wonder you are so fucking stupid...

[boutons_deux]

My God.

Just when I think you can't get any more stupid, you do!

Yanukovych was nobody's puppet. The UN had unreasonable demands in exchange to help the Ukraine, that the parliament voted NO on the demands. Because of this, Yanukovych asked Russia for help. That's why the criminal elements of the Ukraine committed treason in overthrowing him. They are ethnic bigots, and would take no deal with Russia. Obama supports the treason!

This has been brought up over and over.

Just how brain-dead are you?

looks like Pootin has "turned" WC, too. This is amazing, and hilarious.

Why did Pootin invade Ukraine after his puppet was deposed? :lol

Is there a US Vets For Pootin org you can join? :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are you stuck to that idea, or do you deny other possibilities?

I never said that was prohibitive, dim.

[Wild Cobra]

I never said that was prohibitive, dim.

What if Putin was reacting to what Obama and Hillary publicly said they wanted to do against Putin?

Has that ever crossed that pea brain of yours?

[boutons_deux]

Obama administration is close to announcing measures to punish Russia for election interference

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-white-house-is-scrambling-for-a-way-to-punish-russian-hackers-via-sanctions/2016/12/27/0eee2fdc-c58f-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html?utm_term=.ab3dc3f66dc6&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

[boutons_deux]

Lindsey Graham shoots down Trump’s denials: 99 senators believe Russia behind DNC hacks

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham (SC) said Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump was wrong to deny that Russian hackers interfered with the 2016 election in the United States.

“There are 100 United States senators,” Graham said during a CNN interview. “I would say that 99 of us believe the Russians did this and we’re going to do something about it. … After this trip is over, we’re going to have the hearings and we’re going to put sanctions together that hit Putin as an individual and his inner circle for interfering in our election.”

The senator went on to accuse Russia of interfering with democratic elections all over the world.

US officials have reportedly told (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/congressional-leaders-were-told-last-year-about-russian-cyber-attacks-on-dnc-report/) congressional leaders that Russian intelligence agencies had targeted the Democratic Party ahead of the election

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/lindsey-graham-shoots-down-trumps-denials-99-senators-believe-russia-behind-dnc-hacks/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

"Russia of interfering with democratic elections all over the world."

... the American Empire hates the Russians muscling in on, interfering in countries' elections because America knows that's America's exclusive, multi-decade right.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Lindsey Graham shoots down Trump’s denials: 99 senators believe Russia behind DNC hacks

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham (SC) said Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump was wrong to deny that Russian hackers interfered with the 2016 election in the United States.

“There are 100 United States senators,” Graham said during a CNN interview. “I would say that 99 of us believe the Russians did this and we’re going to do something about it. … After this trip is over, we’re going to have the hearings and we’re going to put sanctions together that hit Putin as an individual and his inner circle for interfering in our election.”

The senator went on to accuse Russia of interfering with democratic elections all over the world.

US officials have reportedly told (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/congressional-leaders-were-told-last-year-about-russian-cyber-attacks-on-dnc-report/) congressional leaders that Russian intelligence agencies had targeted the Democratic Party ahead of the election

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/lindsey-graham-shoots-down-trumps-denials-99-senators-believe-russia-behind-dnc-hacks/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

"Russia of interfering with democratic elections all over the world."

... the American Empire hates the Russians muscling in on, interfering in countries' elections because America knows that's America's exclusive, multi-decade right.




When did the CIA release their findings to congress?

[boutons_deux]

When did the CIA release their findings to congress?

Ask Lindsey

of course, patterned on AGW denials, that 1 Senator is enough for Pootin lovers to doubt totally the CIA/NSA/FBI as false.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Ask Lindsey

of course, patterned on AGW denials, that 1 Senator is enough for Pootin lovers to doubt totally the CIA/NSA/FBI as false.

Don't need to ask Lindsey, congress hasn't been briefed by the CIA.

[boutons_deux]

if nothing official, I'm sure there's been plenty of leaking.

And clearly, Assange went after Hillary, and this week has been praising Pootin and Russia.

[boutons_deux]

Susan Rice: The Press Did Not Give Russian Hacking the Coverage It Deserved

National Security Advisor Susan Rice wishes that the press had spent more time on Russian hacking during the 2016 campaign.
Rice spoke with the hosts of BuzzFeed’s Another Round podcast and discussed just how well the U.S. understands cyber threats from abroad.

She pointed to that October statement from the intel community concluding that Russia was interfering in the election, and expressed some criticism of how the press didn’t exactly jump all over it:

“I do think that the fact that the press found it more interesting at the time to report on Secretary Clinton’s emails or President-elect Trump’s, you know, videotaped comments about women, or a large number of other issues, is, in retrospect, probably a missed opportunity.

And the fact that they did not focus on this issue to the extent that we thought they would and they should is something that I think the press needs to do some introspection about.”


Rice acknowledged that there were “other things going on” in the campaign that the press was focused on, but she wishes the intel assessment received the “sustained attention that it deserved.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/susan-rice-the-press-did-not-give-russian-hacking-the-coverage-it-deserved/

[Winehole23]

Don't need to ask Lindsey, congress hasn't been briefed by the CIA.how would you know? were Congressional committees briefed?

given the gravity of the allegation and the proximity of the election, it would be odd for Congress to be left totally in the dark.

[boutons_deux]

In the Repug insane ideology of hate govt.

Ex-GOP lawmaker: Trump needn’t rely on US intelligence agencies — he can get info from foreign governments

http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/cnn_tsr_sciutto_hoekstra-800x430.jpg

Appearing on CNN, a former head of the House Intelligence Committee said President-elect Donald Trump should feel free to use intelligence information given to him from foreign governments in lieu of what his own intelligence agencies will be providing him.

Appearing on The Situation Room, former Congressman Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) flabbergasted host Jim Sciutto by saying U.S. intelligence agencies can provide “biased information,” before asserting Trump could also rely on information provided by foreign intelligence agencies.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/ex-gop-lawmaker-trump-neednt-rely-on-us-intelligence-agencies-he-can-get-info-from-foreign-governments/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[TheSanityAnnex]

how would you know? were Congressional committees briefed?

given the gravity of the allegation and the proximity of the election, it would be odd for Congress to be left totally in the dark.Nothing has changed as far as I can find since two weeks ago.





The Intelligence Community (IC) is refusing to provide the House Intelligence Committee with a requested Thursday briefing on Russian interference with the U.S. election, citing an ongoing review of the matter requested by President Obama.
According to a statement, the IC will not be offering comment to Congress until it completes that review, which will cover foreign interference in the electoral process since 2008.
"Once the review is complete in the coming weeks, the Intelligence Community stands ready to brief Congress — and will make those findings available to the public consistent with protecting intelligence sources and methods," the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) said in a statement.
The Obama review is scheduled to be completed by the time Donald Trump (http://thehill.com/people/donald-trump) takes office on Jan. 20.


http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/310495-intel-head-ic-agencies-refused-to-brief-committee-on-russian-hacking

[Winehole23]

what about beforehand?