Pay Patty in the Off-season

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm already looking forward to the offseason tbh. I've been a fan all my life and I keep it real. MEmphis will give Spurs fits .. to 6 or 7. I got HOU over SA in round 2.
Lou Williams licking his chops

[spursistan]

He's been fuckin terrible against every Western playoff team we could meet..He was awful too vs GS in the two games that mattered..


https://i.imgur.com/fUItSNx.jpg

[TheGreatYacht]

This guy said 1-4 :lmao
I wish Fatty went 1-4, instead he shot 1-6 tonight

[gambit1990]

i like patty. but last summer i even said i'd move him if it meant also moving parker.

tp weighing the spurs down right now and next season with his contract.

[spursistan]

Discount or see ya..

I don't care about a "culture guy", he's been garbage against Golden State for two years now..I don't need another loyalty contract on this team.

Not a starting Point guard for a contender..Simple as that..

[SAGirl]

I prefer to bear Murray's youngin mistakes..

Nothing he's doing in these games is anything that a guy like Forbes cannot do.

[dabom]

I prefer to bear Murray's youngin mistakes..

Nothing he's doing in these games is anything that a guy like Forbes cannot do.

Sorry but you don't know basketball. You didn't even think Simmons could play vs GSW. :lol

[spursistan]

I prefer to bear Murray's youngin mistakes..

Nothing he's doing in these games is anything that a guy like Forbes cannot do.


Yep, in this matchup, which matters the most in the next few years..They would be foolish to overpay him..

[SpurOutofTownFan]

he's making me miss Beno tbqh

[noles1983]

Get rid of all the dead weight, Mills, fat head, LMA, Gasol, Manu can all gtfo.

[spursistan]

Not totally opposed to having him back, I just don't want us to get suckered into handing out another loyalty contract..

[$pursDynasty]

No chance in hell goodbye mate

[spursistan]

No chance in hell goodbye mate

[TheGreatYacht]

3M/yr or gtfo

[MaNu4Tres]

Been saying it for over a year now,


Let him gooo...

[spursistan]

:lmao..

[weebo]

Mills is as good as gone.

[DPG21920]

Pay him a visit when you play him in another city?

[DPG21920]

I'm fine with Mills overall. He's been a great Spur and teammate.

[CGD]

Get your money Millsy!

[tmtcsc]

Mills needs to be an energy guy who can bring points from the bench. He is NOT a point guard and is a defensive liability. The Spurs would be crazy to pay him anything exorbitant.

I imagine they are experiencing buyer's remorse on Pau too. It was a calculated risk to bring him in & pay him so much. Based on who was available, it was a good risk. Spurs won 60+ games and finished with the second best record in the league. He just couldn't deliver much in the playoffs...which is the real season.

However, they became way too dependent on Leonard and the offense didn't come together as the coaching staff had hoped. Don't get me started on Aldridge. He's been a problem and a head case. Just what Pop wanted right? To cater to this Prima Donna's fragile psyhce?

[DarrinS]

I wouldn't judge the character of players from this one game, but I will judge the character of LMA based off past three games. He sucks.

[sasaint]

Get rid of all the dead weight, Mills, fat head, LMA, Gasol, Manu can all gtfo.

:tu except I am ambivalent about Kyle. I doubt PATFO cleans house like that, but if we got some young guys who played with some intensity and intelligence, I would be juiced even if they didn't win 50.

[weebo]

I wouldn't judge the character of players from this one game, but I will judge the character of LMA based off past three games. He sucks.

Ill judge him based on this year's PO performance.

[picnroll]

Time to end the loyalty at the expense of progressives moves. Mills has to find another home. No long term contract for a player that has been inconsistent at best, is past his prime and will be a very bad contract going forward.

[spursistan]

Time to end the loyalty at the expense of progressives moves. Mills has to find another home. No long term contract for a player that has been inconsistent at best, is past his prime and will be a very bad contract going forward.

[spursistan]

I don't want Paddy back. There I said it.


Even FKLA has seen the light :wow..

[RD2191]

I've never understood the infatuation with this undersized chucking SG, the dude has been trash more often than not.

[picnroll]

Patty waves a mean towel and Manu likes to go to dinner with him. Guess that's worth something.

[objective]

Finished the WCF shooting 20.8% from three.

Why people think he should even be a bench scorer anymore is a mystery.

It doesn't matter if he was playing mostly against starters. Because bench player Livingston chewed his ass. In the playoffs, there's fewer bench players to play against, and Mills can't even do that in the later rounds.

He got his Jaren Jackson thank you contract.

Don't give him a Michael Finley can't play contract.

[FkLA]

Even FKLA has seen the light :wow..

He's an awesome teammate and seemingly awesome person but the $15 mill/yr or so he'll command is just too much for a player with his limitations.

[TXstbobcat]

We just watched Mill's last game as a Spur. Congratulations on the nice contract he will get and best of luck to him with his new team.

[spursistan]

He's an awesome teammate and seemingly awesome person but the $15 mill/yr or so he'll command is just too much for a player with his limitations.

Exactly :tu..

Spurs need to bite the bullet and make tough decision going forward, and this would be first of them..Parker's injury helps as far the end game with him..We are almost sure there will be no big money in his next contract, no starting and "playing until 40"..

[Spur|n|Austin]

He's an awesome teammate and seemingly awesome person but the $15 mill/yr or so he'll command is just too much for a player with his limitations.


We just watched Mill's last game as a Spur. Congratulations on the nice contract he will get and best of luck to him with his new team.

This and this.

[picnroll]

Dabom's silence testifying to the magnitude if Mills's suckage

[RD2191]

Dabom's silence testifying to the magnitude if Mills's suckage

He's banned TBH

[picnroll]

He's banned TBH

Well season hasn't been a total loss.

[HarlemHeat37]

He's banned TBH

:lol why?

[TXstbobcat]

:lol why?

Made a bullshit thread announcing that Leonard was playing tonight.

[RD2191]

:lol why?

I'm pretty sure it was for those "Kawhi will play in game 4" threads that he started. :lol

[FkLA]

He's banned TBH

damn wtf

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Qzg-Ub3L--/mfxzbhxkwyzn7vyijjag.jpg

[DPG21920]

It was for his trash Mills takes

[TheGreatYacht]

I wouldn't judge the character of players from this one game, but I will judge the character of LMA based off past three games. He sucks.
Mills sucked worse these 4 games tbh

[TXstbobcat]

Mills sucked worse these 4 games tbh

His last 4 games as a Spur. Best of luck to him.

[cjw]

Mills sucked worse these 4 games tbh

This. Aldridge was going up against Draymond and having multiple defenders thrown at him. Patty was going against Steph who's a fraction of the defender Draymond is. Both were weak defensively, but Aldridge was actually fine defensively throughout the season while Mills was always trash.

That said, I'd prefer to pay neither of them next season. But if Mills is cheap enough, I'll bite.

[PopTheGOAT]

I'd take him if he wanted to comeback for a team-friendly deal. Not gonna happen, though. He gone. Can't pay him when we already have the dead weight from LMA(trade plz), TP (take the blow), Pau (maybe). PATFO is gonna need to sign a PG (and SG) regardless. Just not sure if they're going for a 2yr/10 mil guy or 4/60+ guy.

[Hoops Czar]

His last 4 games as a Spur. Best of luck to him.
You underestimate RC Burford and Greg Popovich.

[cjw]

ESPN has some great minds:

"Engelmann: If Patty Mills can be signed to a reasonable price, something close to $20 million per season, it should probably be him."

[FkLA]

This. Aldridge was going up against Draymond and having multiple defenders thrown at him. Patty was going against Steph who's a fraction of the defender Draymond is. Both were weak defensively, but Aldridge was actually fine defensively throughout the season while Mills was always trash.

That said, I'd prefer to pay neither of them next season. But if Mills is cheap enough, I'll bite.

They stuck Klay on him, actually. Let's not act like Parker hasn't struggled against bigger defenders as well (Sefalosha). Let's also not ignore the fact that Parker has really struggled against GS in general the past few years. It was a tough match-up for Paddy as is, and it became even tougher without Kawhi to play off of.

Still not worth $15 mill/yr though. His defense is just too bad for him to be the starting PG of an elite team.

[TXstbobcat]

You underestimate RC Burford and Greg Popovich.

Dont think the Spurs will be able to afford to keep Mills.

Hope RC and Pop make keeping Simmons more of a priority than matching a giant offer for Mills.

[spursistan]

Has anyone checked on gambit1990 the past few days? :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Dont think the Spurs will be able to afford to keep Mills.

Hope RC and Pop make keeping Simmons more of a priority than matching a giant offer for Mills.

Don't they have his bird rights? It wouldn't surprise me if they went over the salary cap to pay him or used the MLE (would be a total waste).

[TheGreatYacht]

Has anyone checked on gambit1990 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=30595) the past few days? :lol
That nerd is buried in comic books. Haven't seen that fraud in a while....

[SAGirl]

Dabom's silence testifying to the magnitude if Mills's suckage
Pretty much

[dabom]

Pretty much

I was banned for a day you stupid fuck. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

I'll give dabom credit...

Mills was in fact consistent (-ly bad:lol) throughout the playoffs.

His game really went down the toilet once he couldn't be in those Parker at PG him at SG lineups

[SAGirl]

I was banned for a day you stupid fuck. :lmao
To o bad it was only a day. How sad.

[140]

I was banned for a day you stupid fuck. :lmao
:lol

Let me guess, did a porker fluffer mod get his feelings hurt or something?

[$pursDynasty]

I was banned for a day you stupid fuck. :lmao
Dabom with the new avatar, done put down the Microwave and now is all about that Dijon mustard. Makes me think he was never as much pro-Patty as he is Anti-MVParker.

[Nathan89]

Getting banned on spurs talk :lmao

[SAGirl]

Dabom with the new avatar, done put down the Microwave and now is all about that Dijon mustard. Makes me think he was never as much pro-Patty as he is Anti-MVParker.
May be, but the way he defended Patty was next level. Deep down he's really heartbroken but he's not going to take back all of his stupidity, nor ever admit he was truly the worst stupid fuck.
Instead he's jumped the wagon.

[Joseph Kony]

well that retard dabom was right about being consistent......consistently fucking terrible in these POs :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

well that retard dabom was right about being consistent......consistently fucking terrible in these POs :lol
:lol

[lmbebo]

Report says Philly interested in him. Might be hard to out bid them again (Manu last year)

[Leetonidas]

Report says Philly interested in him. Might be hard to out bid them again (Manu last year)
:cry s&t for golden god :cry

[dabom]

Dabom with the new avatar, done put down the Microwave and now is all about that Dijon mustard. Makes me think he was never as much pro-Patty as he is Anti-MVParker.

I change my avatar every 6 to 12 months. Chill brah. :lol

[dabom]

:lol

Let me guess, did a porker fluffer mod get his feelings hurt or something?

Mostly ST snitches.

[dabom]

Dabom with the new avatar, done put down the Microwave and now is all about that Dijon mustard. Makes me think he was never as much pro-Patty as he is Anti-MVParker.

I've never been antiparker.

[$pursDynasty]

I've never been antiparker.
didn't know whether to go with :huhor :lmao in response to that one. It might be true but it rarely seems to be case.

[dabom]

May be, but the way he defended Patty was next level. Deep down he's really heartbroken but he's not going to take back all of his stupidity, nor ever admit he was truly the worst stupid fuck.
Instead he's jumped the wagon.

I was the first person to say "Start Murray". How am I jumping the wagon? :lmao

And by the way, You have to stay in the slow lane(slowmo wagon). :lmao

[dabom]

didn't know whether to go with :huhor :lmao in response to that one. It might be true but it rarely seems to be case.

I have other accounts on different sports forums with Parker as the avatar. Even defending him as a top pg. That was years ago of course. Times change, and you need the players to change. Parker had been done the past 4 years. Had nothing to do with me "not liking parker".

[spursistan]

well that retard dabom was right about being consistent......consistently fucking terrible in these POs :lol


May be, but the way he defended Patty was next level. Deep down he's really heartbroken but he's not going to take back all of his stupidity, nor ever admit he was truly the worst stupid fuck.
Instead he's jumped the wagon.
:wow :lmao

[spursistan]

867724720329953280

looks like Paddy gonna microwave plenty of Phila steaks in next few years :lol..

[dabom]

They threw mad money at Manu. You know if Patty stays a Spur, he left a ton of money on the table.

[wildbill2u]

Ya - Forbes hasn't shown too much unfortunately. But the Spurs seem good at finding the Gary Neal, Mills type players. So hopefully that continues.

Kids make such a big thing out of shooting that it isn't hard to find a good shooter. Finding one that will deign to lower himself to play defense is the problem. Mostly great shooters in school don't have to learn how to play great defense. It's the marginal shooters who understand that they better learn defense if they want to move on.

[spursistan]

If they try to match what Philly is going to throw at Patty (likely 12-14 millions, and even more, given the Brett Brown connection and considering their last failed attempt at poaching Manu ), we might as well give up on our front office...

[TD 21]

If they try to match what Philly is going to throw at Patty (likely 12-14 millions, and even more, given the Brett Brown connection and considering their last failed attempt at poaching Manu ), we might as well give up on our front office...

Yeah, I'd already prefer Hill, but if the 76ers do something stupid, Mills isn't willing to take much or any less and the financial gap isn't all that big, then it becomes even more of a no brainer.

In the unlikely event neither ends up a Spur (Mills is obviously more likely), then it's probably a near lock Williams does.

[DPG21920]

The most likely scenario is that next year is a true bridge year to a flexible 2018. Play Murray, take fliers on cheap guards and live with the year being a learning year. See how LMA does and what to do with him.

[TD 21]

The most likely scenario is that next year is a true bridge year to a flexible 2018. Play Murray, take fliers on cheap guards and live with the year being a learning year. See how LMA does and what to do with him.

All this talk of flexibility in '18, is nonsense . . .

- 1 a) The '18 free agent class is weak. The best outside UFA's or potential ones: Bradley, Thomas, B. Lopez, Wade, James (p/o), Barton, W. Chandler (p/o), Ariza, L. Williams, Ellis (p/o), George (p/o), T. Young (p/o), Jordan (p/o), Rivers (p/o), Cousins, Anthony (ETO), Kanter (p/o), Westbrook (p/o), Joseph (p/o), Favors, J. Johnson.

- 1 b) James and George obviously aren't attainable and Westbrook is an extreme long shot at the very least, so who's the guy they supposedly need to waste a prime year of a top 2-3 player and a top 2-3 team for: Thomas or Cousins? For different reasons, neither is happening. Paul isn't either, but theoretically speaking, I'd rather max him out than any player on this list not named James.

- 2) It's obviously extremely difficult to lure significant free agents and they're not a prime destination . . . don't be fooled by Aldridge and Gasol; those were marriages of convenience.

- 3) Let's say Mills is re-signed; if the league values him as much as many think, then they should have no trouble salary dumping him at some point should something significant present itself.

- 4) There's a possibility that three (Mills or maybe Hill, Simmons, big via the MLE) significant long term contracts will be added this summer and barring significant injury, Aldridge and Green will opt out and get raises in '18, so in all likelihood there won't be nearly as much flexibility as many think anyway.

[TheDoctor]

They threw mad money at Manu. You know if Patty stays a Spur, he left a ton of money on the table.

Do NOT leave a ton of money on the table Patty, take it all mate.

I don't look forward to hearing from you soon...

Enthusiastically,


TheDoctor

[TheGreatYacht]

Do NOT leave a ton of money on the table Patty, take it all mate.

I don't look forward to hearing from you soon...

Enthusiastically,


TheDoctor
Does he know how many kangaroos can be rescued with those hundreds of thousands he'd give up a year?!?!

[TheDoctor]

Does he know how many kangaroos can be rescued with those hundreds of thousands he'd give up a year?!?!

LMAO

Best Patty's playoffs performance impersonification:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Kangaroo-Drops-Ball.gif

Yup, dropped :lol Paddy dropped so far that even dropped from dabom 's avatar :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

LMAO

Best Patty's playoffs performance impersonification:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Kangaroo-Drops-Ball.gif

Yup, dropped :lol Paddy dropped so far that even dropped from dabom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47543) 's avatar :lmao
:lmao

There's spiderwebs all over my "Start Patty Mills krew : lmao" thread

[dabom]

LMAO

Best Patty's playoffs performance impersonification:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Kangaroo-Drops-Ball.gif

Yup, dropped :lol Paddy dropped so far that even dropped from dabom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47543) 's avatar :lmao

I had Kawhi before Patty. So does that mean Patty is gonna be a superstar? :lol

It's Murray time. Always setting trends. :tu

[spurraider21]

I've never understood the infatuation with this undersized chucking SG, the dude has been trash more often than not.i like him, but he's replaceable. he was gary neal 2.0

[TXstbobcat]

Mills is not worth the gigantic contract that Brett Brown and the 76era will offer him.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

If he was 4 inches taller than I'd want the spurs to resign him. :cry he's got the heart of a champion

[TXstbobcat]

If he was 4 inches taller than I'd want the spurs to resign him. :cry he's got the heart of a champion

and the defensive skills of a traffic cone.

[DPG21920]

All this talk of flexibility in '18, is nonsense . . .

- 1 a) The '18 free agent class is weak. The best outside UFA's or potential ones: Bradley, Thomas, B. Lopez, Wade, James (p/o), Barton, W. Chandler (p/o), Ariza, L. Williams, Ellis (p/o), George (p/o), T. Young (p/o), Jordan (p/o), Rivers (p/o), Cousins, Anthony (ETO), Kanter (p/o), Westbrook (p/o), Joseph (p/o), Favors, J. Johnson.

- 1 b) James and George obviously aren't attainable and Westbrook is an extreme long shot at the very least, so who's the guy they supposedly need to waste a prime year of a top 2-3 player and a top 2-3 team for: Thomas or Cousins? For different reasons, neither is happening. Paul isn't either, but theoretically speaking, I'd rather max him out than any player on this list not named James.

- 2) It's obviously extremely difficult to lure significant free agents and they're not a prime destination . . . don't be fooled by Aldridge and Gasol; those were marriages of convenience.

- 3) Let's say Mills is re-signed; if the league values him as much as many think, then they should have no trouble salary dumping him at some point should something significant present itself.

- 4) There's a possibility that three (Mills or maybe Hill, Simmons, big via the MLE) significant long term contracts will be added this summer and barring significant injury, Aldridge and Green will opt out and get raises in '18, so in all likelihood there won't be nearly as much flexibility as many think anyway.

It's not nonsense. It's the most realistic path to flexibility with Spurs being in a position of power. That does not mean they have to do anything in 2018, but they can. Its why it's called flexibility.

[cjw]

It's not nonsense. It's the most realistic path to flexibility with Spurs being in a position of power. That does not mean they have to do anything in 2018, but they can. Its why it's called flexibility.

They kind of do, because it's the year before Kawhi's salary effectively doubles. That said, they have flexibility as you mention and don't have to do it via FA - can always trade for salary. Also, that FA class has some interesting guys in Bradley and Barton. Melo and George almost certainly opt out and lock up cap space for teams chasing them - heck, maybe Melo wants to ring chase with Pop and become Olympic Melo for 82 games plus playoffs.

People are making it out to be like 2018 is only going to offer options like Jeff Ayres.

[TheDoctor]

They kind of do, because it's the year before Kawhi's salary effectively doubles. That said, they have flexibility as you mention and don't have to do it via FA - can always trade for salary. Also, that FA class has some interesting guys in Bradley and Barton. Melo and George almost certainly opt out and lock up cap space for teams chasing them - heck, maybe Melo wants to ring chase with Pop and become Olympic Melo for 82 games plus playoffs.

People are making it out to be like 2018 is only going to offer options like Jeff Ayres.
Hey, more respect. Jeff Ayres is an NBA Champion. Something that Sir Charles and Reggie Miller are not :lol

[TD 21]

It's not nonsense. It's the most realistic path to flexibility with Spurs being in a position of power. That does not mean they have to do anything in 2018, but they can. Its why it's called flexibility.

As I alluded to, flexibility to do what though? Flexibility for the sake of it, is pointless; especially if they can get what they need a year in advance.



They kind of do, because it's the year before Kawhi's salary effectively doubles. That said, they have flexibility as you mention and don't have to do it via FA - can always trade for salary. Also, that FA class has some interesting guys in Bradley and Barton. Melo and George almost certainly opt out and lock up cap space for teams chasing them - heck, maybe Melo wants to ring chase with Pop and become Olympic Melo for 82 games plus playoffs.

People are making it out to be like 2018 is only going to offer options like Jeff Ayres.

You can trade for salary, but nobody is salary dumping a game changing player. Bradley and Barton are interesting, but they're about the same caliber of player as Hill (albeit younger), so that's not a reason to wait a year. I can't imagine Anthony wanting to be a Spur or them wanting him to be one and he's rapidly declining and wouldn't fill a need anyway. George is Lakers bound in '18.

There's no reason to wait. If they can get a point guard upgrade now, they'll effectively have their core in place.

[DPG21920]

As I alluded to, flexibility to do what though? Flexibility for the sake of it, is pointless; especially if they can get what they need a year in advance.


You can trade for salary, but nobody is salary dumping a game changing player. Bradley and Barton are interesting, but they're about the same caliber of player as Hill (albeit younger), so that's not a reason to wait a year. I can't imagine Anthony wanting to be a Spur or them wanting him to be one and he's rapidly declining and wouldn't fill a need anyway. George is Lakers bound in '18.

There's no reason to wait. If they can get a point guard upgrade now, they'll effectively have their core in place.

I agree and if there is a player they believe to be a fit, that agrees to come to SA, they will make it happen. But that's different than not needing to do anything other than convince someone to sign with no other moves needed is all I'm saying.

It's the "likely" path because its the one that requires nothing from other teams to do something. Does not mean it's the only path.

[TheGreatYacht]

Forget paying Patty. This guy is an upgrade and can create... :wow Pull the trigger RC

Frank Mason III (5'11, PG, Kansas, 23.2yo)
https://cdn-s3.si.com/images/frank-mason-kansas-1300-early-poy.jpg
2016-2017 stats
20.9ppg, 4.2rpg, 5.2apg, 1.3spg, 0.1bpg, 49.0FG%, 47.1 3P%, 25.5PER, .230 WS/48, 10.7BPM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3akGpVQ1meY&feature=share

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBbL0qKUwAEsCHR.jpg

[99 Problems]

Hey, more respect. Jeff Ayres is an NBA Champion. Something that Sir Charles and Reggie Miller are not :lol

Even KD got one. Javale, ZaZa, west, These things being handed out like frisbee in a show bag tbh.

[8FOR!3]

Would rather have Belinelli back than Patty at this point. Maybe why I'm not GM.

[DPG21920]

Pay him a fond farewell?

[DPG21920]

Spurs just need more dynamic players on both ends. Patty, to his credit, is an amazing shooter and had probably his best defensive year (even though he's still bad there unless he's on bigger players which is surprising).

But he has to be assisted on everything (which is ok, teams all have guys like that), cannot finish in traffic very well and certainly is not a PG in terms of running an offense.

Just need to have more versatility on this team.

[ace3g]

With the looks of Fultz going to the 76ers that probably takes them out of the running to pay/need Patty.

[ace3g]

Spurs just need more dynamic players on both ends. Patty, to his credit, is an amazing shooter and had probably his best defensive year (even though he's still bad there unless he's on bigger players which is surprising).

But he has to be assisted on everything (which is ok, teams all have guys like that), cannot finish in traffic very well and certainly is not a PG in terms of running an offense.

Just need to have more versatility on this team.


Yep need players in the mold of Kawhi and Iggy.

[TimDunkem]

With the looks of Fultz going to the 76ers that probably takes them out of the running to pay/need Patty.
Damn...Here's hoping there are more suckers lined up to take him far, far away.

[spursistan]

With the looks of Fultz going to the 76ers that probably takes them out of the running to pay/need Patty.
:pctoss

Kawhi should demand a trade if they essentially run it back by overpaying the same roster..

[MaNu4Tres]

:pctoss

Kawhi should demand a trade if they essentially run it back by overpaying the same roster..

Theres still value adding Patty. Theyll have a lot of space the next few years, while their core are under their rookie salaries. Patty still makes sense.

[cd021]

Forget paying Patty. This guy is an upgrade and can create... :wow Pull the trigger RC

Frank Mason III (5'11, PG, Kansas, 23.2yo)
https://cdn-s3.si.com/images/frank-mason-kansas-1300-early-poy.jpg
2016-2017 stats
20.9ppg, 4.2rpg, 5.2apg, 1.3spg, 0.1bpg, 49.0FG%, 47.1 3P%, 25.5PER, .230 WS/48, 10.7BPM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3akGpVQ1meY&feature=share

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBbL0qKUwAEsCHR.jpg

He does remind me of Patty but more of a natural PG. He wouldn't be a bad 3rd PG next season.

[cd021]

Theres still value adding Patty. Theyll have a lot of space the next few years, while their core are under their rookie salaries. Patty still makes sense.

His shooting alone is enough of a reason to bring him back, if the Spurs bring back Simmons, and Hanga and lose Manu, there is going to be a lot of questionable shooters on the perimeter.

[picnroll]

If they can get Juwan Evans (if he's still on the board) he's much better than handing money to Mills. Far better playmaker, bends the defense, probably will be as good of a shooter, bigger by wingspan, better defender, cheaper.

[MaNu4Tres]

His shooting alone is enough of a reason to bring him back, if the Spurs bring back Simmons, and Hanga and lose Manu, there is going to be a lot of questionable shooters on the perimeter.

It looks like Manu is leaning towards coming back.

Plus, they are very high on Bryn and Bertans -- who are great shooters that are capable of being NBA role players off the bench for a lot of NBA teams. Both should get more minutes next year and have a bigger role. Why pay 40-50 million on Patty when you have players like Murray and Forbes making nothing? It's not just that theya re making nothing, but they both proved in their rookie year that they are more than capable of having a bigger workload than last year. Add in another summer of workouts and they'll be even better than last year. The only value I see in paying Patty is paying for his character and his "Spurs-like" culture. Everything else he brings is redundant w/ Forbes moving forward. If they intend to keep Parker, paying Mills his market value makes zero sense -- especially with Murray and Forbes just needing minutes.

[CGD]

He'll get a rich offer. Still teams that need PG help but don't want to pay George hill money. I think he'd be awesome on a Wolves or Bucks team.

[cd021]

It looks like Manu is leaning towards coming back.

Plus, they are very high on Bryn and Bertans -- who are great shooters that are capable of being NBA role players off the bench for a lot of NBA teams. Both should get more minutes next year and have a bigger role. Why pay 40-50 million on Patty when you have players like Murray and Forbes making nothing? It's not just that theya re making nothing, but they both proved in their rookie year that they are more than capable of having a bigger workload than last year. Add in another summer of workouts and they'll be even better than last year. The only value I see in paying Patty is paying for his character and his "Spurs-like" culture. Everything else he brings is redundant w/ Forbes moving forward. If they intend to keep Parker, paying Mills his market value makes zero sense -- especially with Murray and Forbes just needing minutes.

I disagree completely, I don't think Forbes has shown nearly enough to even remotely suggest that he can be a 1/3 of what Mills has been this past season. Forbes is closer to being out of the league than a NBA rotation player, not really sure why you think he would be a rotation player on every NBA team. Bertans, possibly could be but Forbes is very much a work in progress and I don't think he is a necessarily a PG. Mills isn't one either but he is closer to one than I think people give him credit.

I would rather the Spurs pick up a second second round pick and take Evans or Mason Jr. and have them be the replacement to Mills, though I am not in favor of letting Mills walk unless CP3 is coming. As Kevin Pelton noted, the Spurs could do something like giving Mills $13 million per over 3 years, that coincides with Murray coming off the rookie scale deal and Parker will probably be one year removed from the NBA. Murray is big enough to allow for Mills and him to play together in some lineups and Kawhi's continued improvement as a playmaker makes Mills value as an off ball shot maker all the more valuable, he shot a ridiculous 47% on corner 3's. Whenever Kawhi is running high screen p&r, Mills could spot up in the corner and teams would have to either stay handcuffed to him or risk getting burned.

I am in favor of Bertans becoming a rotation player, Spurs need high volume 3pt shooters; Green, Mills, Leonard, and Bertans all fit that mold and all are very accurate at it. Manu coming back would be a big help to the bench and also probably help both Murray and Mills in addition to Bertans.

[cd98]

Spurs will need to replace three point shooting of Mills leaves and that will be hard to do. Like when we lost Marco.

[MaNu4Tres]

I disagree completely, I don't think Forbes has shown nearly enough to even remotely suggest that he can be a 1/3 of what Mills has been this past season. Forbes is closer to being out of the league than a NBA rotation player, not really sure why you think he would be a rotation player on every NBA team. Bertans, possibly could be but Forbes is very much a work in progress and I don't think he is a necessarily a PG. Mills isn't one either but he is closer to one than I think people give him credit.

I would rather the Spurs pick up a second second round pick and take Evans or Mason Jr. and have them be the replacement to Mills, though I am not in favor of letting Mills walk unless CP3 is coming. As Kevin Pelton noted, the Spurs could do something like giving Mills $13 million per over 3 years, that coincides with Murray coming off the rookie scale deal and Parker will probably be one year removed from the NBA. Murray is big enough to allow for Mills and him to play together in some lineups and Kawhi's continued improvement as a playmaker makes Mills value as an off ball shot maker all the more valuable, he shot a ridiculous 47% on corner 3's. Whenever Kawhi is running high screen p&r, Mills could spot up in the corner and teams would have to either stay handcuffed to him or risk getting burned.

I am in favor of Bertans becoming a rotation player, Spurs need high volume 3pt shooters; Green, Mills, Leonard, and Bertans all fit that mold and all are very accurate at it. Manu coming back would be a big help to the bench and also probably help both Murray and Mills in addition to Bertans.

You're not the first to disagree with me and won't be the last. Forbes will likely split back up PG duties w/ a vet PG until TP get back. I know for a fact that Pop & SA sees Forbes as a combo guard like Mills and like Neal. He will compete w/ whatever vet they bring in until TP gets back ( this is if they can't get CP and if Mills isn't re-signed). They are higher on Forbes than you are. You're basically implying he's not a NBA player -- Spurs love him.

[sasaint]

You're not the first to disagree with me and won't be the last. Forbes will likely split duties w/ a vet PG until TP get back. I know for a fact that Pop & SA sees Forbes as a combo guard like Mills and like Neal. He will compete w/ whatever vet they bring in until TP gets back ( this is if they can't get CP and if Mills isn't re-signed). They are higher on Forbes than you are. You're basically implying he's not a NBA player -- Spurs love him.

Are you forgetting about Murray?

[MaNu4Tres]

Are you forgetting about Murray?

Of course not. I would never do such a thing. Murray will likely be the starting PG next year & for the future.

[cjw]

As Kevin Pelton noted, the Spurs could do something like giving Mills $13 million per over 3 years, that coincides with Murray coming off the rookie scale deal and Parker will probably be one year removed from the NBA.

A guy who is unplayable against the Warriors should get zero dollars from the Spurs if they have a choice in the matter. There's already Gasol and injured Parker who won't be of any use against GS (unless Parker somehow comes back strong, doubtful though).

[sasaint]

Of course not. I would never do such a thing. Murray will likely be the starting PG next year & for the future.

So, Murray is the "vet PG" that will split time with Forbes?

[Ice009]

Mills is really, really bad at defense and is too short. Sure, he's a great shooter, but again you can't pay that much for someone that is a liability in other areas. He's a poor defender, can't run an offense, can't shoot that well off the dribble, doesn't have great court vision and doesn't get to the rack and finish.

You need more versatile players that are taller and can do other things besides catch and shoot. You cannot waste money on Mills.


A guy who is unplayable against the Warriors should get zero dollars from the Spurs if they have a choice in the matter. There's already Gasol and injured Parker who won't be of any use against GS (unless Parker somehow comes back strong, doubtful though).

Exactly! Even Danny Green is starting to be too limited to play against the Warriors. Spurs can't waste money on these types anymore. You get cheap replacements and then pay a bit more to try and get better players rather than overpaying for these role players.

Edit : If you can't get better players for a bit more money, still don't overpay the role players (unless it's a really good deal). Keep the cap flexibility for the following off-season.

[dabom]

Mills is really, really bad at defense and is too short. Sure, he's a great shooter, but again you can't pay that much for someone that is a liability in other areas. He's a poor defender, can't run and offense, can't shoot that well off the dribble, doesn't have great court vision and doesn't get to the rack and finish.

You need more versatile players that are taller and can do other things besides catch and shoot. You cannot waste money on Mills.

:lmao

[Ice009]

:lmao

No offense, but you highlight the truest statement in my post and laugh? Are you retarded?

[DPG21920]

No offense, but you highlight the truest statement in my post and laugh? Are you retarded?

:lol

[dabom]

No offense, but you highlight the truest statement in my post and laugh? Are you retarded?

This is how I know you're a main stream vanilla cuck. :lmao

[dabom]

Patty Mills was locking up harden in Houston. :lmao

[Ice009]

Patty Mills was locking up harden in Houston. :lmao

Mills locked him up? So neither Kawhi nor Jonathon Simmons played the better defense against him?

[dabom]

Mills locked him up? So neither Kawhi nor Jonathon Simmons played the better defense against him?
Who's arguing that? MVPatty had harden on the ropes. I never said any other player didn't. You faggot. :lmao

[TD 21]

With the looks of Fultz going to the 76ers that probably takes them out of the running to pay/need Patty.

Yeah, I don't see it. I'm sure they're hoping Fultz can be Irving to Simmons' James. Not that Simmons will be James obviously, but just in terms of function. Plus, they'll have Bayless, who's similar to Mills, returning from wrist surgery and they still have McConnell for depth.

Wings, specifically a 3 and D shooting guard, is now their greatest need.

[SAGirl]

Mills is really, really bad at defense and is too short. Sure, he's a great shooter, but again you can't pay that much for someone that is a liability in other areas. He's a poor defender, can't run an offense, can't shoot that well off the dribble, doesn't have great court vision and doesn't get to the rack and finish.

You need more versatile players that are taller and can do other things besides catch and shoot. You cannot waste money on Mills.



Exactly! Even Danny Green is starting to be too limited to play against the Warriors. Spurs can't waste money on these types anymore. You get cheap replacements and try and pay a bit more to try and get better players than to overpay for these role players.
Agreed. Completely.

[Ice009]

Agreed. Completely.

I'll also add : If you can't get better players for a bit more money (as in, they choose not to come), still don't overpay the role players (unless it's a really good deal). Keep the cap flexibility for the following off-season.

[MaNu4Tres]

So, Murray is the "vet PG" that will split time with Forbes?

Youre really asking that question? Go back and read my post.

[SAGirl]

Youre really asking that question? Go back and read my post.
I think sasaint was being sarcastic. He's a big Dijon supporter as am I.

I wouldn't be so sour about Pop standing pat had he developed guys more. He felt he could afford time to take it slow with him. Hah! I almost feel Pop had that one coming.

[Dverde]

Patty is very playable against any team. Klay can lock down over half the guards in the league. I just wouldn't pay him. I think he is a low end starter. Someone is going to over pay him. I imagine the team dynamic will be much different losing cheerleader guys like Manu and Patty.

[sasaint]

I think sasaint was being sarcastic. He's a big Dijon supporter as am I.

I wouldn't be so sour about Pop standing pat had he developed guys more. He felt he could afford time to take it slow with him. Hah! I almost feel Pop had that one coming.

Yep. I look for Pop to go with Dijon as the starter, old vet-minimum backup and Forbes until Tony returns. Plus, I expect Manu to return to "help relieve the absence of Tony." But I would not be surprised to see either Patty or JSimms re-signed now, either. If it is Mills, scratch the "old vet-minimum" PG.

[DPG21920]

I just really think SA may be forced into keeping Mills. Whether we like it or not, if they can't get a PG to come they like better, I highly doubt they just roll with who they have and sign some random vet.

I think they like Mills, value Mills and would rather have the asset to trade later if needed vs just letting him walk especially with TP so up in the air.

[ace3g]

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[DPG21920]

Damn Patty :lol

[picnroll]

Pretty sure they can take Patty off the drive.

[dabom]

Damn Patty :lol

Dude is living it. :lol

[BillMc]

Pretty sure they can take Patty off the drive.
:lol

[DPG21920]

Dude is living it. :lol

Ya - love Patty. All-time great dude. I'm sure his GF is like WTF lol

[ace3g]

Ya - love Patty. All-time great dude. I'm sure his GF is like WTF lol Apparently she is a model for Strait Swim and this was to help market the company.

[DPG21920]

Apparently she is a model for Strait Swim and this was to help market the company.

Careful what you wish for :lol This may help Patty market himself to a new woman

[dabom]

Apparently she is a model for Strait Swim and this was to help market the company.

Patty having ALL the fun. WTF. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Pretty sure they can take Patty off the drive.
:lmao .....

[99 Problems]

:bobo

[spursistan]

Mills is pretty much gone if the draft is any indication..

[tonight...you]

Mills is pretty much gone if the draft is any indication..
Loved him for the chemistry in the lockerroom. Not much else.

[dabom]

Patty gonna get paid. Dude stay winning. Dudes been paid 10 mil over a couple years to be our best pg. No debating. Dude was fire when we needed him to step up. Everyone tries to shit on him but fuck the haters.

[Big Empty]

Patty gonna get paid. Dude stay winning. Dudes been paid 10 mil over a couple years to be our best pg. No debating. Dude was fire when we needed him to step up. Everyone tries to shit on him but fuck the haters. He and Simmons starting is good with me. 33 year old CP for the same price as Kawhi and Aldridge combined isn't the answer.

[TheGreatYacht]

Mills is pretty much gone if the draft is any indication..
Good riddance. Got exposed in the postseason without Manure holding his hand

Eddie House Lite

[SAGirl]

This is old but thought I'd share,
ESPN calculating Patty's value at around 18.5 million.

Patty Mills’ market value works out to be roughly $18.6 million per season. This doesn’t necessarily mean San Antonio will offer him a contract, and may let him go in free agency.
http://www.espnsa.com/patty-mills-earn-next-contract/
I believe with the cap contraction at 99 million it will be lower. The market is also quite saturated for PG and backups... but maybe around $15 million. That is still too much considering Spurs situation.

[MaNu4Tres]

Thanks for the memories, good attitude and great work ethic.

Wish you nothing but the best and success Patty.