Game Thread(35/82): Raptors at Spurs (7:30 PM CT) sponsored by Clash of Paper Tigers

[timtonymanu]

TOR is so bad. :lol. This is who Cleveland gets to play in Round 3 the next few seasons

[GSH]

Just started watching, LMA and Kawhi are balling according to the box scores.

Is TP playing well? He has 15 & 8 on 66%


No. He missed 3 shots, which means he's playing hero ball. The 6 makes and 8 AST's don't count.

[Arcadian]

We're fucked

:lol

[FaM0us Skins]

:flag:

[bklynspursfan]

Same.

Sorry.

Lol its all good man. I think the same way you do

[TheGreatYacht]

Best game of the season for him.
Thanks :tu

Going to rewatch this later on DVR

[FkLA]

Is TP playing well? He has 15 & 8 on 66%

There was some impostor wearing #9 in the first half. 7 assists and only 4 FGAs. :tu

Had like 8 shots and only 1 assist in the third quarter though. :td

[spurtech09]

This line up

[Snaq O'Meal]

Best game of the season for him.

The best part is... he is shitting on Lowry.

[spursistan]

Mills playmaking :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Lamarcus is really strong...

He's the same size as Timmay, dude is just a finesse big.

[ducks]

There was some impostor wearing #9 in the first half. 7 assists and only 4 FGAs. :tu

Had like 8 shots and only 1 assist in the third quarter though. :td
Dude has 9 shots all game

[RD2191]

:lol

Damn Russian hackers

[007nites]

He's the same size as Timmay, dude is just a finesse big.

Tim was probably around 240lbs last season. LaMarcus is easily 260.

[DPG21920]

Dude has 9 shots all game

:lmao

[bklynspursfan]

Dude has 9 shots all game

You can't throw facts at him like that!

[Robz4000]

It's the fourth quarter and the best offense in the league has 59 points :wow

[Ron Swanson]

Juice wanted to dunk that. Was too far under the basket.

[sasaint]

No. He missed 3 shots, which means he's playing hero ball. The 6 makes and 8 AST's don't count.

:lol

[pgardn]

They just got past 60...

Man...

[TheGreatYacht]

No. He missed 3 shots, which means he's playing hero ball. The 6 makes and 8 AST's don't count.

There was some impostor wearing #9 in the first half. 7 assists and only 4 FGAs. :tu

Had like 8 shots and only 1 assist in the third quarter though. :td
:lol

[FkLA]

Oh I forgot, Enrique's lone assist in the second half was when he was going up for a shot and it slipped out of his hands. Once he got it back he dumped it to LMAlpha and let him play bully ball in the paint. :lol

[MultiTroll]

Phucks sake 'Zit put Betrans and Murray in.

30 point lead with 10 minutes to go. :lol

[RD2191]

Oh I forgot, Enrique's lone assist in the second half was when he was going up for a shot and it slipped out of his hands. Once he got it back he dumped it to LMAlpha and let him play bully ball in the paint. :lol

:lol

[HI-FI]

Bring on Dejauntae

[GSH]

Oh I forgot, Enrique's lone assist in the second half was when he was going up for a shot and it slipped out of his hands. Once he got it back he dumped it to LMAlpha and let him play bully ball in the paint. :lol


Sometimes I wonder if you even believe any of the shit you type, or if you just get a kick out of saying stupid shit to watch the reaction. Both are signs of mental illness, TBH.

[Robz4000]

This will also be Toronto's first blowout loss of the year.

[Kawhitstorm]

Just started watching, LMA and Kawhi are balling according to the box scores.

Is TP playing well? He has 15 & 8 on 66%


“It’s obvious some of our players are doping,” Karl wrote, according to excerpts obtained by ProBasketballTalk. “How are some guys getting older — yet thinner and fitter? How are they recovering from injuries so fast? Why the hell are they going to Germany in the off-season? I doubt it’s for the sauerkraut. … More likely it’s for the newest, hard-to-detect blood boosters and PEDs they have in Europe.”

[Ron Swanson]

Dude got caught on camera doing a duck face in a selfie. :lol

[BillMc]

Damn Russian hackers
:lol

[bklynspursfan]

Lowry still in lol

[GSH]

Oh, man, if Danny starts doing that, this team gets a lot harder to beat.

[TheGreatYacht]

Has Cojo taken it easy on us? RD2191

[SpursIndonesia]

Just started watching, LMA and Kawhi are balling according to the box scores.

Is TP playing well? He has 15 & 8 on 66%

HOTS playing fantastic game, an A grade is clearly in store for him tonight.

[FkLA]

Sometimes I wonder if you even believe any of the shit you type, or if you just get a kick out of saying stupid shit to watch the reaction. Both are signs of mental illness, TBH.

You quoted a factual statement.

If you're going to praise him for his first half (well deserved, I praised him too) you have to be fair about his heroballing in the third quarter.

[ace3g]

3rd string coming in

[Kawhitstorm]

Tim was probably around 240lbs last season. LaMarcus is easily 260.

I'm talking about Tim in prime.

[ducks]

Patty trying in garbage time pad his stats

[DPG21920]

Sometimes I wonder if you even believe any of the shit you type, or if you just get a kick out of saying stupid shit to watch the reaction. Both are signs of mental illness, TBH.

Low IQ problems tbh...like giving a baby an iPhone. They don't know what's going on, but they like mashing the buttons.

[GSH]

I wanna see Bertans get in a scuffle, and watch the look on Pop's face.

[FkLA]

HOTS playing fantastic game, an A grade is clearly in store for him tonight.

B+ first half

D- second half

C+ overall

IMHO

[Ron Swanson]

Murray with the payback on CoJo, then he turns it over. :lol

[DPG21920]

You quoted a factual statement.

If you're going to praise him for his first half (well deserved, I praised him too) you have to be fair about his heroballing in the third quarter.

:lmao You said he took 8 shots in that quarter. He only has 9 for the game :lol

[spursistan]

Murray D :wow

[dabom]

Toronto stat padding. :lmao

[RD2191]

Has Cojo taken it easy on us? RD2191

He's holding back TBH.

[SAGirl]

Love Dijon's hustle but shaky...

[FaM0us Skins]

Good block by Murray

[HI-FI]

B+ first half

D- second half

C+ overall

IMHO

[pgardn]

Murray needs muscle.

Gonna need to wait on him. Can't wait.

[spursistan]

Bertans has fallen off cliff since the Bucks game...

[bklynspursfan]

Murray needs muscle.

Gonna need to wait on him. Can't wait.

Yup. Couple years away

[SAGirl]

He's holding back TBH.
He has been off, but he competes and truly, in this blowout loss, he's the best in +/- in that team.

[sasaint]

Good block by Murray

Great Simmons impersonation... both ways, unfortunately.

[DPG21920]

Bertans has fallen off cliff since the Bucks game...

My man - he's barely played.

[Robz4000]

Keep scoring Ross, my fantasy team needs you :cry

[DPG21920]

It sucks that Jamal Crawford is Murray's mentor. He sucks.

[007nites]

It sucks that Jamal Crawford is Murray's mentor. He sucks.

What how?

[SpursIndonesia]

B+ first half

D- second half

C+ overall

IMHO

Yeah, whatever floats your boat, mate. :D

[Richie]

Cory showing Spurs fans how unready Murray is against legit NBA players

[SAGirl]

Bertans has fallen off cliff since the Bucks game...
Too soon to say. Not enough opportunities to play IMO. I liked that drive and dish to Lee. (I missed his 1 minute stunt earlier in the first half... I was in the gym.. how did that go?)

[GSH]

Murray needs muscle.

Gonna need to wait on him. Can't wait.


He's still a kid, with a kid's body. It's always amazing to watch the transformation that happens in just 2-3 years. (Except with Kyle. :lol) Even LeBron - I thought he was pretty well developed when he came into the league, but the change was pretty incredible. Once Murray grows into his feet, he's going to be a handful.

[SpurPadre]

Bertans has fallen off cliff since the Bucks game...

Now he's looking like Bonner

[DAF86]

Murray's handles shaky as fuck.

[FkLA]

:lmao You said he took 8 shots in that quarter. He only has 9 for the game :lol

I was guesstimating.

Either way a 5:1 assist to FGA ratio in the 3rd quarter is pathetic. Especially when his lone assist came off what was going to be a shot attempt, but it just happened to slip out of his hand. :lol

[SAGirl]

Damn Dijon is shaky... CoJo is a legit NBA player, not garbage time trash player... and he's struggled.

[HI-FI]

:lol damn Dejauntae

[SpurPadre]

He's still a kid, with a kid's body. It's always amazing to watch the transformation that happens in just 2-3 years. (Except with Kyle. :lol) Even LeBron - I thought he was pretty well developed when he came into the league, but the change was pretty incredible. Once Murray grows into his feet, he's going to be a handful.

it's called HGH, tbh.

[spursistan]

3RD stringers scrubbing it..

[pgardn]

Love Dijon's hustle but shaky...

A little body on him by Joseph and he gets off balance and you get a bad dribble and a bad pass.

But he could really be something. It should be fun watching him mature.

[SAGirl]

Dijon airball.:lol
Does anyone want Nico back?

[SpursIndonesia]

Bertans, on one eye you are still the better shooter than Murray, why did you pass that ball when the you were that open ??

[SAGirl]

A little body on him by Joseph and he gets off balance and you get a bad dribble and a bad pass.

But he could really be something. It should be fun watching him mature.
It's interesting to see him against CoJo bc as I said he's a legit NBA player... to see him in the dleague or against some garbage time rook or something is not the same.

[dabom]

Dijon airball.:lol
Does anyone want Nico back?

No you stupid fuck. :lol

[Ron Swanson]

Davis!

[Kawhitstorm]

Murray needs muscle.

Gonna need to wait on him. Can't wait.

I'm pretty sure HOTS can hook him up w/ the PEDs

[GSH]

I was guesstimating.


Urban Dictionary: Guesstimating - means "talking out of my ass".
example: "No, I didn't fart. I guesstimated."

[SAGirl]

Bertans, on one eye you are still the better shooter than Murray, why did you pass that ball when the you were that open ??
I thought the same, but that corner 3 was so open. The Spurs and their next pass mentality, but he for sure could have taken his shot.

[DAF86]

Murray is the definition of raw right now but I don't know why I sense mad potential.

[Ron Swanson]

Dedmon shit all over Vanvleet.

[SAGirl]

DAvis finally!!!!!!!!!!1
:flag:

[HI-FI]

Dijon airball.:lol
Does anyone want Nico back?
Not me, I said from the draft that I think Murray could be very good. I want him to get more experience.

[bklynspursfan]

Dedmon should watch TD. Block and secure the possession, forget about the highlight block.

[Ron Swanson]

Davis! :wow

[007nites]

LOL Dedmon

[spurtech09]

Those blocks

[FaM0us Skins]

Lol that was a big block by Dedmon

[Robz4000]

Bertans and Dedmon are getting A's for those blocks

[DPG21920]

I was guesstimating.

Either way a 5:1 assist to FGA ratio in the 3rd quarter is pathetic. Especially when his lone assist came off what was going to be a shot attempt, but it just happened to slip out of his hand. :lol

That was wrong too :lol

[SAGirl]

Davis tremendous transition block!

[DAF86]

Dedmon and Bertans the front court of the future. Please retain both.

[DPG21920]

Murray is the definition of raw right now but I don't know why I sense mad potential.

Maybe because the Spurs drafted him and said they love him :lol?

[spurtech09]

Lol that was a big block by Dedmonand Bertans

[TimDunkem]

No you stupid fuck. :lol:lol

[elemento]

Love Bertans, dude is fearless.

[bdictjames]

This ain't volleyball, Dewayne! :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!!:toast

[Robz4000]

Murray's been okay so far. People forget how pesky of a defender CoJo is.

[Ron Swanson]

Sean: Hold my beer. :lmao

[DAF86]

Maybe because the Spurs drafted him and said they love him :lol?

They have drafted many guys that "they loved" that I knew weren't going to do shit or would never be more than journeymen on the NBA.

[timtonymanu]

Bertans has fallen off cliff since the Bucks game...

Doesn't help that he doesn't fit Pop's submissive culture and bending over for opponents

[pgardn]

It's interesting to see him against CoJo bc as I said he's a legit NBA player... to see him in the dleague or against some garbage time rook or something is not the same.

Joseph built a body and plays aggressive D. He is very tough. It's good for Murray. It's really hard when a guy is just physically strong and quick and one has a pencil body. Murray really is a skinny kid that can play. Lebrun, KL, already had physical strength at his age which is unusual.

[DPG21920]

Murray's been okay so far. People forget how pesky of a defender CoJo is.

Ya - it's actually best case scenario for garbage time. He still has to play a really solid PG defender.

[007nites]

Fat head getting into the block party as well?

[bic50]

Dedmon Bertrans and Simmons are pretty fun to watch.

[Robz4000]

Bertans is fucking everywhere

[Ron Swanson]

Davis with another block.

[FkLA]

That was wrong too :lol

Did you even watch the third quarter, bro?

[TimDunkem]

Where's that guy who said Bonner was more dynamic offensively than Bertans? :lol

[bklynspursfan]

Murray needs to learn to dribble out the clock. Rushed that shot for no good reason into traffic

[Ron Swanson]

Where's that guy who said Bonner was more dynamic offensively than Bertans? :lol

That was Bonner.

[GSH]

Murray's been okay so far. People forget how pesky of a defender CoJo is.


I used to love to watch CoJo putting on the full court pressure. He made guys work to get the ball across mid-court, and didn't let the offense get set up early in the shot clock. Didn't get talked about a lot, but he was good at it.

[FaM0us Skins]

KA!

[SAGirl]

Well at least Kyle scored too.. now I am at peace and life is perfect..
lol
that was for all my fans by the way.
:flag::lmao

[Ron Swanson]

Spurs are trash if they don't win by 10+

So, we're ok?

[Kawhitstorm]

Murray is the definition of raw right now but I don't know why I sense mad potential.

He makes a highlight reel play followed by a boneheaded mistake or two, his body & Bball IQ haven't caught up w/ his raw skills.

[dabom]

Their 3rd stringers can't even shoot without getting blocked. :lmao

[TimDunkem]

That was Bonner.

cd98 is Bonner.

[ace3g]

Spurs

Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


L. Aldridge (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge) PF
30
11-16
1-1
0-0
1
7
8
6
0
1
1
3
+35
23


K. Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard) SF
28
8-12
5-7
4-5
1
3
4
2
2
3
0
2
+38
25


P. Gasol (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol) C
19
1-6
0-0
3-4
0
4
4
3
0
4
0
1
+11
5


T. Parker (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker) PG
22
6-9
1-1
2-2
0
2
2
8
0
0
1
1
+25
15


D. Green (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3988/danny-green) SG
22
2-5
2-3
0-0
0
3
3
1
1
0
2
1
+17
6


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


D. Lee (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee) PF
15
4-6
0-0
0-0
2
2
4
1
1
1
0
0
-6
8


D. Bertans (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6426/davis-bertans) SF
8
2-3
1-2
0-0
0
2
2
1
0
2
1
0
-4
5


D. Dedmon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2580913/dewayne-dedmon) C
24
1-1
0-0
1-2
2
4
6
0
0
1
0
3
+20
3


D. Murray (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray) PG
8
1-3
0-1
0-0
1
1
2
0
1
2
4
1
-4
2


P. Mills (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills) PG
18
2-4
2-4
0-0
0
3
3
3
1
0
1
1
+7
6


M. Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili) SG
18
1-3
1-2
1-2
0
1
1
2
0
0
1
1
+9
4


J. Simmons (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons) SG
20
3-9
0-3
0-0
0
4
4
3
1
1
3
2
-4
6


K. Anderson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2993874/kyle-anderson) SG
7
1-1
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
2
0
0
1
2
-4
2


TEAM

43-78
13-24
11-15
7
37
44
32
7
15
15
18

110




55.1%
54.2%
73.3%

[pgardn]

Murray gets a steal and holds it up...

He is a Pop Spur.

[GSH]

Where's that guy who said Bonner was more dynamic offensively than Bertans? :lol


That was Bonner.


Oh, shit, that made me laugh.

[ElNono]

Good win :flag:

[Robz4000]

Gonna enjoy game grades tonight. Lot of good grades to give out.

[DPG21920]

Did you even watch the third quarter, bro?

Do you even lift bro?

[SAGirl]

Dijon is capable of so many defensive plays due to his length but he definitely needs to go back to the dleague to practice his ballhandling a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bklynspursfan]

Doesn't help that he doesn't fit Pop's submissive culture and bending over for opponents

Huh? Pop played Jack and Jack did what Bertans did many times. Even West a few times last year.

It's clearly something else. I love how people speculate and run with some story without us knowing what happens during practices, walk throughs, etc...

[TimDunkem]

Well at least Kyle scored too.. now I am at peace and life is perfect..
lol
that was for all my fans by the way.
:flag::lmao
Stop. Everyone here knows you're being serious.

[DPG21920]

Their 3rd stringers can't even shoot without getting blocked. :lmao

That has to feel awful. Just absoultely outclassed and feel like kids vs their dads.

[BillMc]

Victory.:flag:

[DPG21920]

Murray gets a steal and holds it up...

He is a Pop Spur.

I just kept thinking: "please don't dunk it, please don't dunk it'

[BillMc]

Dijon is capable of so many defensive plays due to his length but he definitely needs to go back to the dleague to practice his ballhandling a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep. 4 TOs in 8 minutes. But a lot of good stuff too especially on D.

[SPURt]

Solid win! Lived Kawhi tonight and LMA continues to roll. I wish the Spurs had this Tony every night.

[timtonymanu]

Huh? Pop played Jack and Jack did what Bertans did many times. Even West a few times last year.

It's clearly something else. I love how people speculate and run with some story without us knowing what happens during practices, walk throughs, etc...

Come on bklyn, I'm just trolling. But Davis 2.0 got 2 nice blocks after spursistan posted that :lol

[TimDunkem]

Lmao Murray needs to work on his handles? His decision making, yes, but the guy likely has the best handles on the team. SAGirl with yet another shitty take.

[DPG21920]

That was a tremendous win. Talk about strange - first play of the game was a terrible TO and it was like here we go again. But then boom, lift off and they never looked back. Just utterly destroyed the Raps.

Beat a Raps team that has been great, stopped a HOU team that was streaking. It's not always pretty but this team showing that they are worms with abs of steel.

[DAF86]

Huh? Pop played Jack and Jack did what Bertans did many times. Even West a few times last year.

It's clearly something else. I love how people speculate and run with some story without us knowing what happens during practices, walk throughs, etc...

It's simple, Pop has Lee and Dedmon over him as bigmen backups. I would rather have Bertans as the backup 4 but Lee has delivered so far so I can't bitch that much, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Lmao Murray needs to work on his handles? His decision making, yes, but the guy likely has the best handles on the team SAGirl with yet another shitty take.

Nah - his handle is loose. It's not horrific or anything, but it's not anywhere near NBA solid yet (but it will be).

[GSH]

I just kept thinking: "please don't dunk it, please don't dunk it'


We wouldn't have seen him again until summer league.

[TimDunkem]

His handle has looked great every game with the exception of a play here or there. Utter nonsense, DPG.

[timtonymanu]

Raptors looked like paper tigers tonight, for sure.

[dabom]

Stop. Everyone here knows you're being serious.

:lmao

[SAGirl]

Yep. 4 TOs in 8 minutes. But a lot of good stuff too especially on D.
The bad thing was that he had 4 TO and not a single assist. Simmons had 3 TO but also 3 Assists. I believe in Dijon, truly to put up almost 8 or something assists in the dleague is not easy, but his ballhandling needs to improve and one doubts if he is really a PG or will be more of a combo guard same as Simmons, just younger and really skinny right now. I don't have the answer, just speculation.

[SAGirl]

Raptors looked like paper tigers tonight, for sure.
:flag:

[dabom]

Lmao Murray needs to work on his handles? His decision making, yes, but the guy likely has the best handles on the team. SAGirl with yet another shitty take.

He has the best handles on the team. His decision making isn't there. He is trying to hit a homerun every time he is out there. Dude looks ready to fuck shit up every time he has the ball. :lol

[GSH]

Some nights a team just hits everything they look at. When that happens, it's probably a W. The best thing about this win was that the Spurs played well, and pretty much just made the ones they were supposed to make. They shot a good percentage, but most of the shots were really wide open, as a result of good ball movement.

The only negative was Tony playing hero ball all night. :rolleyes

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/642728690451742720/qQu1g9YF_bigger.jpg Jordan Howenstine ‏@AirlessJordan (https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan)

Most duo wins in NBA history:
1.Stockton/Malone- 906
2.Duncan/Parker- 733
3.Parish/McHale- 656
4.PARKER/GINOBILI- 631
5.Duncan/Ginobili- 630

[Amuseddaysleeper]

http://i.imgur.com/6f0yUcB.png

[spursgu]

Great win for our guys

[BillMc]

Great win for our guys

Truth. Best performance since the opener.

[spursistan]

Raptors looked like paper tigers tonight, for sure.
To think this is the Cavs' toughest competetion in the East :lol

[SAGirl]

To think this is the Cavs' toughest competetion in the East :lol
They need to make a move.. Valanciunas looked like trash... Nogueira got ate alive.. they don't have 1 single big that impressed me... I mean they are playing their rook Poltl, and Siakam and they are not ready to be playing this much for a playoff team... They need one dominant big.

[bklynspursfan]

Come on bklyn, I'm just trolling. But Davis 2.0 got 2 nice blocks after spursistan posted that :lol

My fault :) .. some on here genuinely believe that lol

I like Davis man. I hope he starts getting more mins.

[bklynspursfan]

It's simple, Pop has Lee and Dedmon over him as bigmen backups. I would rather have Bertans as the backup 4 but Lee has delivered so far so I can't bitch that much, tbh.

Agreed. I'd almost like to see him experiment with Bertans at the 3. You get him out there with Mills and Manu and he's bound to get some open looks. Spacing will be there too.

We'll see tho. Lee def came in and took his role by the throat

[SAGirl]

Truth. Best performance since the opener.
Lamarcus with a truly dominant game.. I know he wasn't the only one playing well.. it just stands out in contrast to himself early in the season.

[SpursIndonesia]

That has to feel awful. Just absoultely outclassed and feel like kids vs their dads.

That 3rd stringers line up has plenty of length & decent athleticism outside KA.

[spursistan]

They need to make a move.. Valanciunas looked like trash... Nogueira got ate alive.. they don't have 1 single big that impressed me... I mean they are playing their rook Poltl, and Siakam and they are not ready to be playing this much for a playoff team... They need one dominant big.
They should go all in for Millsap..This is their time to make a run at CLE with their current core-- not like Derozan/Lowry are some 22 year-olds you can afford patience with..

[coachmac87]

That was a tremendous win. Talk about strange - first play of the game was a terrible TO and it was like here we go again. But then boom, lift off and they never looked back. Just utterly destroyed the Raps.

Beat a Raps team that has been great, stopped a HOU team that was streaking. It's not always pretty but this team showing that they are worms with abs of steel.



Blew out the Warriors by 30 on the road...but that's none of my business

[apalisoc_9]

I eish raptors fans are more delusional and optimistic onstead of pessimistic. It's really hard to make fun of fanbase that thinks their team os shittier than what the average fan thinks.

I know a few raptors fans and dem niggas are always down. Not even fun..

[ace3g]

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[r0drig0lac]

Stop. Everyone here knows you're being serious.

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[Brazil]

not sure sometimes what people are watching.... yes brahs Murray handles area sometimes a bit shaky, definitely room for improvement but I'm like most I like kid potential.