When did DK become the consensus GOAT?

[lefty]

Srs question tbh

[Mitch]

He was considered top 3 when he retired, became #1 by getting another 3peat.

[apalisoc_9]

sold more shoes

[baseline bum]

He was considered top 3 when he retired, became #1 by getting another 3peat.

I remember him being pretty universally regarded as the GOAT after the 72-10 season and title.

[Mitch]

I remember him being pretty universally regarded as the GOAT after the 72-10 season and title.

Was cemented when he was winning after coming back from retirement for sure.

[apalisoc_9]

Crazy how half his rings and individual accomplishment was in his 30's

yeseterdays nba :lol

[daslicer]

In 1993 when the Bulls beat the Suns. Threepeating back then was a big deal since it was something that hadn't been done since the Russell Celtics. The media anointed him the GOAT for that reason back then.

[lefty]

LeBron is the GOAT though

[Clipper Nation]

He has never been the actual GOAT. The NBA's marketing department memed him into a phony GOAT status because what else were they going to sell in the '90s? Boring-ass John Starks and Reggie Miller led teams (:lol yesterday's NBA)? Karl "Pedo" Malone?

[RsxPiimp]

He was neck and neck with Magic in 93. His First 3 Peat separated him from other elite Superstars at the time (Magic, Bird and Dr. J) but his place was not consensus.



Goat talk was sealed in 96’ after he led Chicago to 72-10 and their 4th championship, at least with the media. Old timers in the barbershop who insisted Kareem and Russell’s ring count to diminish Jordan’s legacy were silenced after title # 5 and 6.

[lefty]

He was neck and neck with Magic in 93. His First 3 Peat separated him from other elite Superstars at the time (Magic, Bird and Dr. J) but his place was not consensus.



Goat talk was sealed in 96’ after he led Chicago to 72-10 and their 4th championship, at least with the media. Old timers in the barbershop who insisted Kareem and Russell’s ring count to diminish Jordan’s legacy were silenced after title # 5 and 6.

And yet the ring argument is used to diminish LeBron, Magic, Shaq etc 's achievements in order to protect Jordan's legacy

[JoeTait75]

Was cemented when he was winning after coming back from retirement for sure.

Cemented maybe, but I remember him being anointed by a lot of people after the first three-peat if not earlier, tbh.

FWIW I think Jabbar has a pretty good argument for GOAT, imo.

[daslicer]

And yet the ring argument is used to diminish LeBron, Magic, Shaq etc 's achievements in order to protect Jordan's legacy

Take away rings and Jordan still has more regular season MVP's then those guys. A few years ago I actually thought Lebron was going to pass Jordan in MVPs but now it seems like at best he can only tie him and even that doesn't look like it will happen.

[lefty]

Take away rings and Jordan still has more regular season MVP's then those guys. A few years ago I actually thought Lebron was going to pass Jordan in MVPs but now it seems like at best he can only tie him and even that doesn't look like it will happen.

David Robinson got a regular season MVP in 95

[daslicer]

David Robinson got a regular season MVP in 95

Jordan has 5 and Robinson has 1. Enough said.

[RsxPiimp]

And yet the ring argument is used to diminish LeBron, Magic, Shaq etc 's achievements in order to protect Jordan's legacy

True, but Jordan is undefeated and is the lead dog in each championship run. Can't say the same for the rest.

[lefty]

True, but Jordan is undefeated and is the lead dog in each championship run. Can't say the same for the rest.

If course he is undefeated

- Lakers were not even supposed to be in 91 Finals (neither were the Bulls, but Stern changed the rules for Mike) and they had a lot of injuries
- Drexler didn't have a Pippen
- Suns had shit perimeter D and no interior D
- Sonic were good but let's not forget MJ shot like shit in those series. Rodman was rhe real Finals MVP
- I'll give him 97
- the officiating in game 6 of the 98 Finals was comical

But yeal let's forget all his previous playoff failures

Jordan with a shit roster Bulls got swept in the 1st round, while LeBron took an even shittier roster to the 2007 Finals

[RsxPiimp]

lefty, I see what you did there. lol

[Kawhitstorm]

In 1993 when the Bulls beat the Suns. Threepeating back then was a big deal since it was something that hadn't been done since the Russell Celtics. The media anointed him the GOAT for that reason back then.

He torched the Suns from start to finish, he was basically Kyrie in Gm 5 mode the entire series.:lol

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[lilbthebasedgod]

Reminder that Kareem is the actual GOAT

[Pelicans78]

If course he is undefeated

- Lakers were not even supposed to be in 91 Finals (neither were the Bulls, but Stern changed the rules for Mike) and they had a lot of injuries
- Drexler didn't have a Pippen
- Suns had shit perimeter D and no interior D
- Sonic were good but let's not forget MJ shot like shit in those series. Rodman was rhe real Finals MVP
- I'll give him 97
- the officiating in game 6 of the 98 Finals was comical

But yeal let's forget all his previous playoff failures

Jordan with a shit roster Bulls got swept in the 1st round, while LeBron took an even shittier roster to the 2007 Finals

But the East was much stronger back then compared to 2007. And the advanced metrics have Jordan a better player than Lebron overall. He has a better WS/48 minutes in the regular season and playoffs and has the best WS/48 minutes in playoffs history.

Jordan would have possibly had 4 straight championships if it wasn't for Pippen choking in Game 7 of the 1990 Finals. Jordan destroyed one of the best defenses in history the entire series, but Pippen had "migraines" and was horrible in Game 7.

[lefty]

Reminder that Kareem is the actual GOAT
He has a case

But the East was much stronger back then compared to 2007. And the advanced metrics have Jordan a better player than Lebron overall. He has a better WS/48 minutes in the regular season and playoffs and has the best WS/48 minutes in playoffs history.

Jordan would have possibly had 4 straight championships if it wasn't for Pippen choking in Game 7 of the 1990 Finals. Jordan destroyed one of the best defenses in history the entire series, but Pippen had "migraines" and was horrible in Game 7.



Idk in the 1st 3peat only Cavs and Knicks were good (the Pacers were coming but were not there yet).
Knicks should have won game 5 in 93 but you couldn't breathe on Jordan that night - although a case can be made for MJ not being 100% during games 1&2 because he stayed up late before games in Atlantic City

During the 2nd 3peat only the 98 Pacers were a real threat.
Miami was still shit despite having Zo an Tim, they had no bench.
The 97 Knicks had a legit shot at beating the Bulls but that brawl happened

[Kawhitstorm]

If course he is undefeated

- Lakers were not even supposed to be in 91 Finals (neither were the Bulls, but Stern changed the rules for Mike) and they had a lot of injuries
- Drexler didn't have a Pippen
- Suns had shit perimeter D and no interior D
- Sonic were good but let's not forget MJ shot like shit in those series. Rodman was rhe real Finals MVP
- I'll give him 97
- the officiating in game 6 of the 98 Finals was comical

But yeal let's forget all his previous playoff failures

Jordan with a shit roster Bulls got swept in the 1st round, while LeBron took an even shittier roster to the 2007 Finals

Let's ignore the '96 Magic who won 60 games & had two superstars b/c they got swept by DK::lol ('96 Magic = '14 OKC)

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[Kawhitstorm]

Reminder that Kareem is the actual GOAT

Kareem didn't win shyt w/ the Lakers until they lucked out & got Magic. Dude was KG in Minnesota status until that point.:lol

The only time Kareem won a chip was when he had to All-Time top 10 players: Big O & Magic.:wakeup

[lefty]

Let's ignore the '96 Magic who won 60 games & had two superstars b/c they got swept by DK::lol ('96 Magic = '14 OKC)

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Tbh they lost Grant to an injury in game 1 . He was very important for them.
DK choked big time the previous season and got killed on the other end by Penny :lol

[spurraider21]

True, but Jordan is undefeated and is the lead dog in each championship run. Can't say the same for the rest.pau was a lead dog in his championship runs tbh

[poeticism707]

If course he is undefeated

- Lakers were not even supposed to be in 91 Finals (neither were the Bulls, but Stern changed the rules for Mike) and they had a lot of injuries
- Drexler didn't have a Pippen
- Suns had shit perimeter D and no interior D
- Sonic were good but let's not forget MJ shot like shit in those series. Rodman was rhe real Finals MVP
- I'll give him 97
- the officiating in game 6 of the 98 Finals was comical

But yeal let's forget all his previous playoff failures

Jordan with a shit roster Bulls got swept in the 1st round, while LeBron took an even shittier roster to the 2007 Finals

All this and more.

[Kawhitstorm]

Tbh they lost Grant to an injury in game 1 . He was very important for them.

That's why I compared them to the '14 OKC where Ibaka had a fake injury.:wakeup


DK choked big time the previous season and got killed on the other end by Penny :lol

He was only on a diet of cigar/whiskey two months before the playoffs & it was Pippen that go lit up by Penny.:lol

[lefty]

That's why I compared them to the '14 OKC where Ibaka had a fake injury.:wakeup



He was only on a diet of cigar/whiskey two months before the playoffs & it was Pippen that go lit up by Penny.:lol
Lol at the rust excuse

Is that why he dropped 55 pts in MSG?

[sasaint]

True, but Jordan is undefeated and is the lead dog in each championship run. Can't say the same for the rest.

Magic?

[140]

Lol at the rust excuse

Is that why he dropped 55 pts in MSG?
just another proof he's the goat tbh

[z0sa]

Reminder that Kareem is the actual GOAT

If KAJ is the GOAT Wilt is really the GOAT

[Kawhitstorm]

Lol at the rust excuse

Is that why he dropped 55 pts in MSG?
It's not rust, it's the lack of conditioning to do it night after night.:wakeup

[Kawhitstorm]

Magic?

:lmao

The only time he went into the postseason w/o Kareem, he got waxed by DK:

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[sasaint]

:lmao

The only time he went into the postseason w/o Kareem, he got waxed by DK:

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Oops, forgot about the Kareem-less foray.

[lefty]

Yeah with half of the Lakers roster tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah with half of the Lakers roster tbh

So he didn't win shyt w/o Kareem, thanks.:toast

[apalisoc_9]

Magic played like 13 seasons...He shouldn't be anywhere close to GOAT discussion.

5th best all time at best.

[Kawhitstorm]

Oops, forgot about the Kareem-less foray.

Worthy also won Finals MVP over PEAK Magic in '88 which was the Showtime Lakers last chip.:lol

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[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah with half of the Lakers roster tbh

Yeah PEAK Magic's only FMVP came against the '87 Celtics that had McHale playing on one leg & Bird w/ a bad back.:lol

Dude got carried by old ass Kareem in '85 just like Tim carried Porker in '14 after choking away the '84 series.:lol

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[AchillesHeel]

After his 1st 3-peat he was already considered the greatest player as far as peak play goes, after the 96 season it was official and the 97 98 seasons were an icing on the cake.

Hard to beat 10 scoring titles and 6 out of 6 in the Finals with the short career he had, also didn't have the kind of help a Magic or a Kareem did. The consistency and peak play on top of his rings just made him an easy pick.

[lefty]

:cry ok ok you win

Magic was more fun to watch so he is better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lefty]

But trolling aside, Magic is the GOAT

[ambchang]

But trolling aside, Magic is the GOAT

Gay open ass time?

[lefty]

Gay open ass time?

:lol

[Brazil]

But trolling aside, Magic is the GOAT

I thought his passing was overrated tbh...

[lefty]

I thought his passing was overrated tbh...
It is...

But he still had an impact on his team tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

But trolling aside, Magic is the GOAT

He would have been the scapeGOAT had the Lakers lost the Gm 6 w/ Isiah outplaying him on one leg.:lol

[lefty]

He would have been the scapeGOAT had the Lakers lost the Gm 6 w/ Isiah outplaying him on one leg.:lol

Isiah was killinh the whole Lakers team tbh :lol

Then phantom call on Laimbeer :lol

Then in game 7, Pistons had the chance to tie game but Lakers fans invaded the court with time left :lmao

Tbh 1987 and 1988 are the flukiest titles ever (and 2002 too of course)

I think Isiah was better than Magic tbh

[Thebesteva]

He has never been the actual GOAT. The NBA's marketing department memed him into a phony GOAT status because what else were they going to sell in the '90s? Boring-ass John Starks and Reggie Miller led teams (:lol yesterday's NBA)? Karl "Pedo" Malone? Undefeated in the finals...once he made it to the finals he was there every fucking year minus the retirement year. Unlike LeBRONZE the Eastern Conference was stacked at the time and the WC was frowned upon for being soft.

Lebron has a cake walk every year and has to show up in the finals and win and he's at what now? 4 losses in the finals lmao thats shit. #5 this year is a serious threat too.

[140]

I think Isiah was better than Magic tbh
So Isiah = GOAT?

[Kidd K]

LeBron is the GOAT though


If course he is undefeated

- Lakers were not even supposed to be in 91 Finals (neither were the Bulls, but Stern changed the rules for Mike) and they had a lot of injuries
- Drexler didn't have a Pippen
- Suns had shit perimeter D and no interior D
- Sonic were good but let's not forget MJ shot like shit in those series. Rodman was rhe real Finals MVP
- I'll give him 97
- the officiating in game 6 of the 98 Finals was comical

But yeal let's forget all his previous playoff failures

Jordan with a shit roster Bulls got swept in the 1st round, while LeBron took an even shittier roster to the 2007 Finals

LeBron almost literally every season: No competition until the Finals due to playing in arguably the decade-long weakest conference in NBA history, then gets his ass caved in more than half the time when he finally plays a real team.

Literally takes LeBron's team each season and simulate it being in the west that year instead and he almost never reaches the Finals. It's nice to be able to coast into the Finals fresh from not having to try that hard instead of having to win 2-3 dogfights of series to get there.

No way he's the GOAT with how easy his roads have been yet still only has half the rings of the real GOAT.

[baseline bum]

If course he is undefeated

- Lakers were not even supposed to be in 91 Finals (neither were the Bulls, but Stern changed the rules for Mike) and they had a lot of injuries


Was that when Magic seroconverted?

[lefty]

LeBron almost literally every season: No competition until the Finals due to playing in arguably the decade-long weakest conference in NBA history, then gets his ass caved in more than half the time when he finally plays a real team.

Literally takes LeBron's team each season and simulate it being in the west that year instead and he almost never reaches the Finals. It's nice to be able to coast into the Finals fresh from not having to try that hard instead of having to win 2-3 dogfights of series to get there.

No way he's the GOAT with how easy his roads have been yet still only has half the rings of the real GOAT.
It's not like MJ had a lot of dogfight series in the EC during his 6peat

98 Pacers gave the Bulls hell
92 and 93 Knicks series were a dogfight too

Beyond that ?

- 92-93 Cavs were stacked but they are also a cute little regular season team
- Sixers were shit
- Hawks were shit
- Heat were shit

[Kawhitstorm]

It's not like MJ had a lot of dogfight series in the EC during his 6peat

98 Pacers gave the Bulls hell
92 and 93 Knicks series were a dogfight too

Beyond that ?

- 92-93 Cavs were stacked but they are also a cute little regular season team
- Sixers were shit
- Hawks were shit
- Heat were shit

Name me a team better than the '96 Magic that LeBron beat when he won Leastern Conference championship series?

-The team that was led by Rondo
-The team featuring Hibbert
-The team that had Boozer playing wing-man
-The team which starred DeFrozen
-The team whose all-star center got outplayed by Tristan Thompson

:rollin

[Clipper Nation]

The East was an absolute joke during DK's prime after Stern changed the rules and destroyed the Bad Boy Pistons. The one time he had to face a legit team before the Finals after that, he choked:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYDBO3G_gBE

Other than that, he was fed a steady diet of fraud teams led by John Starks, Reggie Miller and the like.

[lefty]

Name me a team better than the '96 Magic that LeBron beat when he won Leastern Conference championship series?


:rollin
Good example, the 96 Magic had injuries rbh

[lefty]

The East was an absolute joke during DK's prime after Stern changed the rules and destroyed the Bad Boy Pistons. The one time he had to face a legit team before the Finals after that, he choked:

.
Who was better : Magic or MJ in your opinion?
Would you take Isiah over MJ?

[Kawhitstorm]

Good example, the 96 Magic had injuries rbh

Yeah Shaq/Penny by themselves weren't better than the Pacers/Bulls/cRaptors/Cawks or AARP Celtics "core".:lol

DK shutdown Anderson & made him quit by torching him on the other end. That was all she wrote for the Magic.:wakeup

[Clipper Nation]

Also, the "Finals record" narrative is a complete farce. DK was always on the most stacked team in the league in his prime and never had to go up against a more talented team than his own. He never had to go up against a juggernaut like Duncan's Spurs or the 73-win Warriors, and he certainly never dragged a D-League caliber supporting cast to the Finals all by himself like LeBron did in 2007.

If DK didn't get suspended for betting on basketball, Hakeem would have taken a wet shit on him in back-to-back Finals. And if the Stern Button wasn't pushed in 1998, DK would have lost those Finals too - which is pathetic, considering how that Jazz team was built around two mentally weak choke artists. Game 6 was one of the most fixed sporting events of all time. MVPippen's back was injured so severely that he wasn't going to be able to play in Game 7. The league knew that DK never won jack shit without MVPippen holding his hand, and they couldn't have their cash cow go out a loser, so they stepped in to ensure a Bulls win. Hence, they called a horseshit shot clock violation on a Howard Eisley three while ignoring a blatant shot clock violation on Ron Harper, creating a five-point swing in what ended up being a one-point game. And as the cherry on top, they let DK push off on the final shot.

[Clipper Nation]

Wilt dropping truth bombs:

"If Michael was here right now, I would say to him: When you are so great that the league tries to change the rules in an attempt to stop you then you can claim you are the best ever. Every rule change I have seen during your career has been meant to enhance your game (such as shortened 3 point line, hand checking rules & well defined rules regarding illegal defenses)."

Wilt

[lefty]

Also, the "Finals record" narrative is a complete farce. DK was always on the most stacked team in the league in his prime and never had to go up against a more talented team than his own. He never had to go up against a juggernaut like Duncan's Spurs or the 73-win Warriors, and he certainly never dragged a D-League caliber supporting cast to the Finals all by himself like LeBron did in 2007.

If DK didn't get suspended for betting on basketball, Hakeem would have taken a wet shit on him in back-to-back Finals. And if the Stern Button wasn't pushed in 1998, DK would have lost those Finals too - which is pathetic, considering how that Jazz team was built around two mentally weak choke artists. Game 6 was one of the most fixed sporting events of all time. MVPippen's back was injured so severely that he wasn't going to be able to play in Game 7. The league knew that DK never won jack shit without MVPippen holding his hand, and they couldn't have their cash cow go out a loser, so they stepped in to ensure a Bulls win. Hence, they called a horseshit shot clock violation on a Howard Eisley three while ignoring a blatant shot clock violation on Ron Harper, creating a five-point swing in what ended up being a one-point game. And as the cherry on top, they let DK push off on the final shot.
Yup

I agree on pretty much everything

Except for the 73-9 Warriors tbh, MJs Bulls would have smoked them :lol

[Clipper Nation]

To all the DK slurpers: if your boy was so great, why did he beg the league not to allow the zone defense?


The subject was defense in the NBA, and Michael Jordan was speaking, although more about offense, especially his. We know few defenses could do anything about that.

But there was one that might be bothersome, the zone defense. It was the topic du jour at last month's All-Star Game, and Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did.

The change is not just a present for players like Steve Kerr, Bryce Drew and Trajan Langdon, who are primarily perimeter shooters. It's more of a statement to all players that they should learn the fundamentals of the game--to shoot the ball, pass and move without the ball.


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2001-04-01/sports/0104010375_1_defense-recommendations-nba

:lol Yesterday's NBA
:lol "Pls no zone defenses" :cry
:lol "Stern pls" :cry
:lol "But we don't want to pass the ball or learn the fundamentals!" :cry

[lefty]

CN, phaggot, would you take Magic and Isiah over DK?

[Kawhitstorm]

Also, the "Finals record" narrative is a complete farce. DK was always on the most stacked team in the league in his prime and never had to go up against a more talented team than his own. He never had to go up against a juggernaut like Duncan's Spurs or the 73-win Warriors, and he certainly never dragged a D-League caliber supporting cast to the Finals all by himself like LeBron did in 2007.

If DK didn't get suspended for betting on basketball, Hakeem would have taken a wet shit on him in back-to-back Finals. And if the Stern Button wasn't pushed in 1998, DK would have lost those Finals too - which is pathetic, considering how that Jazz team was built around two mentally weak choke artists. Game 6 was one of the most fixed sporting events of all time. MVPippen's back was injured so severely that he wasn't going to be able to play in Game 7. The league knew that DK never won jack shit without MVPippen holding his hand, and they couldn't have their cash cow go out a loser, so they stepped in to ensure a Bulls win. Hence, they called a horseshit shot clock violation on a Howard Eisley three while ignoring a blatant shot clock violation on Ron Harper, creating a five-point swing in what ended up being a one-point game. And as the cherry on top, they let DK push off on the final shot.
It's not DK's fault that Hakeem got punked by Kemp in the '96 WCF.:wakeup

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...then go cucked by one of the "mentally weak choke artist":

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[lefty]

He is talking about 94 and 95 tbh


Oh and Stern made sure the Rockets wouldn't beat Seattle, that call at the end of Game 7 :lmao, because he knew they would have destroyed the Suns

[Clipper Nation]

CN, phaggot, would you take Magic and Isiah over DK?

Both of them shit on DK, tbh. Magic is also more heterosexual than DK.

[lefty]

Both of them shit on DK, tbh. Magic is also more heterosexual than DK.
:wow

[Clipper Nation]

He is talking about 94 and 95 tbh


Oh and Stern made sure the Rockets wouldn't beat Seattle, that call at the end of Game 7 :lmao, because he knew they would have destroyed the Suns
The Jazz series in '97 was also garbage. Malone had Drexler in a freaking bear hug on Stockton's shot in Game 6, uncalled.

[lefty]

The Jazz series in '97 was also garbage. Malone had Drexler in a freaking bear hug on Stockton's shot in Game 6, uncalled.
Yup I remember that too

DOnt get me started on game 5 of the 1993 ECF

Or game 1 of the 1992 NBA Finals

[Kidd K]

It's not like MJ had a lot of dogfight series in the EC during his 6peat

98 Pacers gave the Bulls hell
92 and 93 Knicks series were a dogfight too

Beyond that ?

- 92-93 Cavs were stacked but they are also a cute little regular season team
- Sixers were shit
- Hawks were shit
- Heat were shit

You forgot Shaq's Magic and the Pistons teams he had to try and battle past too, and prior to him winning titles the Pistons who eliminated his Bulls won two straight titles (the team he beat to win his first).

All Finals-caliber teams. LeBron faced zero of those types of teams when he was championship caliber. The only time he did was the last little bit of the big 3 Celtics which broke up anyway.

MJ had tougher competition prior to the Finals.

[lefty]

You forgot Shaq's Magic and the Pistons teams he had to try and battle past too, and prior to him winning titles the Pistons who eliminated his Bulls won two straight titles (the team he beat to win his first).

All Finals-caliber teams. LeBron faced zero of those types of teams when he was championship caliber. The only time he did was the last little bit of the big 3 Celtics which broke up anyway.

MJ had tougher competition prior to the Finals.
I didnt mention the Pistons because I was talking about the 6peat years
Yes they met them in 91 but Isiah had a fucked up wrist (right hand) and Stern changed the rules just before the 90-91 season

96 Magic had injuries (not just Grant); and DK couldnt guard Penny, they had to put Pippen on him :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

96 Magic had injuries (not just Grant); and DK couldnt guard Penny, they had to put Pippen on him :lol

Penny was a POINT GUARD why would DK guard him when BJ was the POINT guard, besides Penny didn't want any part of DK on the other end either.:lol

In any case, an in shape DK tore Penny another one in '96 when they were matched up:

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[lefty]

:lol fail

:lol BJ wasn't with the Bulls anymore in 96

:lol Pippen wasn't a PG either

:lol Phil put DK on Magic in 91 but was forced to put Pippen on him

[ambchang]

Magic annihilated Jordan so bad in game 1 that Jordan officially became gay. That was Jordan's official came out of closed moment.

[Kawhitstorm]

BJ wasn't with the Bulls anymore in 96

I'm talking about '95; DK shut his ass down in '96 when he wasn't busy silencing Anderson for running his mouth.:wakeup


Phil put DK on Magic in 91 but was forced to put Pippen on him

Magic used his fat ass to back-down his way into the paint b/c dude was fearful of looking at DK in the eye. He was probably hoping for some grinding action, tbh.:lol

[Kidd K]

I didnt mention the Pistons because I was talking about the 6peat years
Yes they met them in 91 but Isiah had a fucked up wrist (right hand) and Stern changed the rules just before the 90-91 season

96 Magic had injuries (not just Grant); and DK couldnt guard Penny, they had to put Pippen on him :lol

Not including their competition when they didn't win seems like defeating the purpose though doesn't it? Why wouldn't you include their whole road since becoming arguably "championship caliber"? I think it'd be fair to start LBJ's clock right before going to Miami and including all those years til now. MJ not beating Detroit was certainly considered an MJ failure back then; they said his game would never result in a title. This talk was back in at least '88 I'm pretty sure. LeBron got a lot of that "will never win" talk pre Miami too.