Kyle Anderson is a legit NBA player.

[skulls138]

He had been doing better before Mavs game and by the sound of it (didnt watch it) he was passing up open shots again. I cant see that lasting forever. Its not that hes missing them, hes not taking them and theres a reason, mainly that he wants to upfake and drive and breakdown the D and hes confused about the space he needs to do that vs just taking the shot. Eventually though hes going to see that being THIS passive is going to cost him his shot at playing in the NBA and he'll start letting them fly. Hes got to

Having said that, we're winning and hes good on D so hes got time to fix it.

[ElNono]

It's a damn shame, I tell you. I don't even know where the Spurs go from here with regards to him. Sometimes he does things right, sometimes he looks like he's playing in Beginner mode while everyone else is on Pro mode.

It's like those guys you see on the Summer League or D-League and say "damn, let me write this name down, I'm gonna check him out when he hits an NBA team", but then when that moment arrives is like a "paint yo face, clown" moment.

Pop always had kind things to say about him (and teammates too), but his lack of production and failure to establish a niche role by his third season, I think forced him to look elsewhere. Bertans started up and down, but if Kyle blinks, that race might be over soon too.

It's weird, the Spurs sent him back from the SL thinking they had something there. I can't think this is what they expected.

[daledondale]

Here, how about this. Anderson is getting 13.7 MPG. In 13-14, Jeff Ayers got 13 minutes per game. Did anyone have any problem analyzing Ayers, and deciding that he sucked? Was that too small of a sample size?

How about we look at Kyle's numbers vs. Ayers, who was getting slightly less MPG?

FGA
Ayers - 2.4
KA - 2.3

TRB
Ayers - 3.5
KA - 2.6

AST
Ayers - .8
KA - 1.0

PTS
Ayers - 4.3
KA - 2.9

EFG% (Takes into account Kyle's "great" 3P shooting percentage)
Ayers - .580
KA - .480


You keep saying what a good player he is, but his numbers say he's Jeff Ayers with a big head. I don't give a shit if they play different positions - Kyle has the ball in his hands a hell of a lot more than Ayers ever did.
:lmao:wakeup GSH in beast mode.

[Chinook]

God ST is wishy-washy as hell.

[TheGreatYacht]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/2993874.png

Per36:
7.5pts, 6.8reb, 2.7ast, 1.3TO, 43.9FG%

[Chinook]

Those numbers are fine for a defensive player.

[TheGreatYacht]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/4008.png&w=350&h=254

Per36:
10.2pts, 10.1reb, 2.0ast, 2.4TO, 58FG%

[Chinook]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/4008.png&w=350&h=254

Per36:
10.2pts, 10.1reb, 2.0ast, 2.4TO, 58FG%

Ayres wasn't nearly as bad as people remember him. He just couldn't catch to save his life. But Kyle's a much better defender.

[dabom]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/2993874.png

Per36:
7.5pts, 6.8reb, 2.7ast, 1.3TO, 43.9FG%


http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/4008.png&w=350&h=254

Per36:
10.2pts, 10.1reb, 2.0ast, 2.4TO, 58FG%

both pics using same scale. :lol

[GSH]

Those numbers are fine for a defensive player.


I know you know hoops, Chinook. And sometimes we just see things differently. But I will say that I really expected Kyle to hit his stride this year, and play with the confidence and awareness of a guy who has been through two playoff runs with a very good team. I didn't expect him to get significant playoff minutes last season, but I thought when he came back this year he would be up to earning 25 minutes a game. I had higher hopes for him than this.

I do think that the idea we can't really assess him because of small sample size is poop. Besides that, if he had improved as much as I hoped, he would be getting more minutes, and we probably wouldn't be having the same discussion.

You think he's a good defender. I think he's an adequate defender. But tell me the truth - do you really see him on a significant upward trajectory? Do you really see any reason for him to be moved up to the 25 MPG I was hoping for, unless someone else gets injured?

One thing is for certain. If he does get a significant bump in minutes, someone else is going to have to step up their offensive game. Because Kyle's offensive production rate (Per36 numbers) are the lowest on the team. Putting Kyle on the floor with Danny is an offensive nightmare. I don't think this team can play defense good enough to make up for that. That's not hating, that's not being wishy-washy, that's just looking at what I see, and what the numbers say.

[Blake]

Those numbers are fine for a defensive player.

Is that what Kyle has been reduced to now?

Lol Kyle nuthuggers

[Chinook]

I know you know hoops, Chinook. And sometimes we just see things differently. But I will say that I really expected Kyle to hit his stride this year, and play with the confidence and awareness of a guy who has been through two playoff runs with a very good team. I didn't expect him to get significant playoff minutes last season, but I thought when he came back this year he would be up to earning 25 minutes a game. I had higher hopes for him than this.

I do think that the idea we can't really assess him because of small sample size is poop. Besides that, if he had improved as much as I hoped, he would be getting more minutes, and we probably wouldn't be having the same discussion.

You think he's a good defender. I think he's an adequate defender. But tell me the truth - do you really see him on a significant upward trajectory? Do you really see any reason for him to be moved up to the 25 MPG I was hoping for, unless someone else gets injured?

One thing is for certain. If he does get a significant bump in minutes, someone else is going to have to step up their offensive game. Because Kyle's offensive production rate (Per36 numbers) are the lowest on the team. Putting Kyle on the floor with Danny is an offensive nightmare. I don't think this team can play defense good enough to make up for that. That's not hating, that's not being wishy-washy, that's just looking at what I see, and what the numbers say.

I'm pretty sure even SAG is disappointed in Kyle this year. Any real fan has to see him being so inept at scoring as a bad thing for the team, and I simply didn't expect him to regress. I don't see him getting a bigger role if he doesn't change his attitude. The dude has a mismatch almost every time he touches the ball and has almost no interest in trying to score. And then when he does try, it's when there's almost no time left on the shot clock, and he doesn't have enough time to set anyone up.

I don't think he's on a good trajectory now. I do think he has a role he can play on the club this year even with his offensive prospects atrophying. I expected him to be one of the best defenders on the team statistically this season. But I didn't expect him to specialize in that area like he has. I don't think he should get 25mpg. But I also think that had he been the second-string PF like he was projected to be before Lee, he would be having a better season all around.

The wishy-washy bit is how this thread gets bumped back and forth by people depending on the results of the game. If Kyle were legit because of how he shut down Cleveland, he was legit when he wasn't scoring well as in a bit role against Dallas.

[Chinook]

Is that what Kyle has been reduced to now?

Lol Kyle nuthuggers

So you got the Political Forum and this thread. That's your ST resume?

[Spurs9]

If you could get Ayres back right now to replace Anderson would you?

[dabom]

Is that what Kyle has been reduced to now?

Lol Kyle nuthuggers

:lol

[BillMc]

Kyle recently helped out with the local youth basketball league. Nice work KA.

https://pp.vk.me/c836324/v836324782/29307/vvtXSRN7eIU.jpg

https://pp.vk.me/c836324/v836324782/292fe/HdxvDhtRVGw.jpg

https://pp.vk.me/c836324/v836324782/292f5/-sfO6Qc6pBs.jpg

[dabom]

If you could get Ayres back right now to replace Anderson would you?

Errors is a Champion.

[BillMc]

God ST is wishy-washy as hell.

New ST mascot

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71zh9GtaUjL._SL1000_.jpg

[Blake]

So you got the Political Forum and this thread. That's your ST resume?

You keep track of message board resumes?

That's sadder than being a kyle nut hugger

[Blake]

Kyle recently helped out with the local youth basketball league. Nice work KA.

https://pp.vk.me/c836324/v836324782/29307/vvtXSRN7eIU.jpg

https://pp.vk.me/c836324/v836324782/292fe/HdxvDhtRVGw.jpg

https://pp.vk.me/c836324/v836324782/292f5/-sfO6Qc6pBs.jpg

Voluntold but yeah still very nice

[Chinook]

You keep track of message board resumes?

That's sadder than being a kyle nut hugger

It's not nearly as sad as being on a basketball site and only posting in a thread about a dude who's not even in the rotation.

[GSH]

I'm pretty sure even SAG is disappointed in Kyle this year. Any real fan has to see him being so inept at scoring as a bad thing for the team, and I simply didn't expect him to regress. I don't see him getting a bigger role if he doesn't change his attitude. The dude has a mismatch almost every time he touches the ball and has almost no interest in trying to score. And then when he does try, it's when there's almost no time left on the shot clock, and he doesn't have enough time to set anyone up.

I don't think he's on a good trajectory now. I do think he has a role he can play on the club this year even with his offensive prospects atrophying. I expected him to be one of the best defenders on the team statistically this season. But I didn't expect him to specialize in that area like he has. I don't think he should get 25mpg. But I also think that had he been the second-string PF like he was projected to be before Lee, he would be having a better season all around.

The wishy-washy bit is how this thread gets bumped back and forth by people depending on the results of the game. If Kyle were legit because of how he shut down Cleveland, he was legit when he wasn't scoring well as in a bit role against Dallas.


And THAT is the difference between talking hoops, and just beating a drum. :tu

[Blake]

It's not nearly as sad as being on a basketball site and only posting in a thread about a dude who's not even in the rotation.

Lol yeah, we're on a Spurs board talking about a Spur.

No, the keeping up with poster resumes out of butthurt is the saddest thing here

[Chinook]

Lol yeah, we're on a Spurs board talking about a Spur.

No, the keeping up with poster resumes out of butthurt is the saddest thing here

Butt hurt? You fancy yourself to be much more effective than you are. You're just one of the many people trying fill the void Chump left (for god knows what reason). That I have a good memory is no reason to flatter yourself.

[GSH]

Kyle recently helped out with the local youth basketball league. Nice work KA.


LOL. And you had to throw that in our faces? :lol Yeah, he's one of those guys you want to see make it on the floor, because he seems like such a good guy.

A lot of people here complain about the Spurs not developing players. And they bitch about Kyle not putting up shots. I wonder how many would be okay with it if Pop told him to just start chucking, and not worry about the outcome? Would they cheer for the "player development" if it meant putting up a few L's, in games they could have won? I don't know how else Pop is going to get him to loosen up. He's got a good enough stroke. I would like to think his instincts would take over, if he just starts letting some fly without worrying about anything.

[Blake]

Butt hurt? You fancy yourself to be much more effective than you are. You're just one of the many people trying fill the void Chump left (for god knows what reason). That I have a good memory is no reason to flatter yourself.

You keeping a resume of me is flattering.

...albeit sad.

[Chinook]

You keeping a resume of me is flattering.

...albeit sad.

You come to a message board to be flattered?

Says a lot.

[GSH]

So you got the Political Forum and this thread. That's your ST resume?


Never wrestle with a pig, Chinook. You both get muddy, but the pig enjoys it.


Besides, Blake contributes a lot around here. And not just in the political forum :lol :


C3P0 is gay

2027 return of the redeye. Lebomb solo licks chewie''s asshole

[Blake]

You come to a message board to be flattered?

Says a lot.

No, I come here for my own amusement and edification. Your flattery is just bonus.

[Blake]

Never wrestle with a pig, Chinook. You both get muddy, but the pig enjoys it.


Besides, Blake contributes a lot around here. And not just in the political forum :lol :

But you've no problem with slinging the mud.

K

[Chinook]

No, I come here for my own amusement and edification. Your flattery is just bonus.

You come here for "edification" but can't act like an adult when people tell you you're wrong on basic facts.

[Blake]

You come here for "edification" but can't act like an adult when people tell you you're wrong on basic facts.

I don't mind being told I'm wrong if it's backed up with more than a wall of fluff text.

I learned in this thread that wing span is longer than height more often than I thought. So thanks for that and for thinking of me. :tu

[Chinook]

I don't mind being told I'm wrong if it's backed up with more than a wall of fluff text.

I learned in this thread that wing span is longer than height more often than I thought. So thanks for that and for thinking of me. :tu

:tu Glad to hear that you're growing up. Here's to a thread without all that bullshit.

[wildbill2u]

Here's the problem, Bill. By "this time in his development", clock awareness and/or situational awareness is something he really shouldn't need to learn. Think about it - if he was a guy who was loaded with athleticism, and could score like a madman, but still lacked situational awareness after three years? People would be bitching non-stop. But here's a guy who is notorious for being on the slow end for NBA players. He has GOT to make up for it with smart, timely play.

The funny thing is, people are bitching about him not taking 3P shots, but his 3PA/36 minutes is up slightly from last year. Damn near everything else on his stat line is down from last season. His 2P% is way the hell down. His RB/36 are substantially down. His FTA/36 and AST/36 are all well down from last year. Three point shooting is just about the only thing he's doing better than he did in his second year.

Last season, there was this general believe that he was going to hit his stride in his third year, and really begin to shine. There was lots of talk about how he was going to earn more minutes, and be a guy that the Spurs would depend on this season. But the only way to try to make that case is to talk about things that don't show up on the stat sheet. I keep reading comments about how he's a good player, but damn near ALL of his numbers say that isn't true. Other than being slightly better at 3P shooting, there is virtually nothing on the stat sheet to indicate that he's any better than last year.

Somebody on the team has to have plusses that show up on the damn stat sheet.

I agree with most of your assessment and thought my "disappointed" comment clearly covered that aspect of his game. That being said, I rarely find a player who's getting some minutes in the rotation that I just want assassinated at worst, castrated, or waived. He's providing something off the bench some times and sometimes not. That doesn't mean I think he can't become a niche player like Bonner although I don't see ONE special skill set that would put him on that track at this point. Generally middle of the road players become road kill.

[Blake]

:tu Glad to hear that you're growing up.

:lol condescending back handed compliment.

Gfy

[TheGreatYacht]

Ginobili and Mills ETHER Fathead :wow

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826481850214449152

[dabom]

Ginobili and Mills ETHER Fathead :wow

826489099804622849
826481850214449152

:lol

[Blake]

Ginobili and Mills ETHER Fathead :wow

826489099804622849
826481850214449152

I don't see Kyles name in there

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't see Kyles name in there
Want me to point out the not-so-subtle goods?

[Blake]

Want me to point out the not-so-subtle goods?

How do you know they aren't ethering Gasol

[TheGreatYacht]

How do you know they aren't ethering Gasol
Simmons isn't playing starting Center tonight. He's taking Fathead's spot

[Chinook]

:lol condescending back handed compliment.

Gfy

:td Still got a ways to go.

[Blake]

:td Still got a ways to go.

Lol you want to set up the rules of what an adult is but don't want to play by them.

The lol for Kyle being more mobile than Bertans still stands.

[Chinook]

Lol you want to set up the rules of what an adult is but don't want to play by them.

The lol for Kyle being more mobile than Bertans still stands.

It's a process.

[Blake]

It's a process.

You'll get there some day.

[Blake]

He's taking Fathead's spot

Maybe maybe not

[Chinook]

You'll get there some day.

I hope so. It would be nice to see a sports-related thread where you bring an actual take.

[Blake]

I hope so. It would be nice to see a sports-related thread where you bring an actual take.

I don't really care what you'd like to see.

I'm just here to laugh about you saying Kyle is more mobile than Bertans.

That you're not backtracking off of it makes it funnier by the minute.

[TheDoctor]

Ginobili and Mills ETHER Fathead :wow

826489099804622849
826481850214449152

"He's 1 guy who brings it every night... unlike us" :blah

[Chinook]

I don't really care what you'd like to see.

I'm just here to laugh about you saying Kyle is more mobile than Bertans.

That you're not backtracking off of it makes it funnier by the minute.

You just keep laughing and looking around wondering why no one else is laughing, that's fine by me.

[SAGirl]

I know you know hoops, Chinook. And sometimes we just see things differently. But I will say that I really expected Kyle to hit his stride this year, and play with the confidence and awareness of a guy who has been through two playoff runs with a very good team. I didn't expect him to get significant playoff minutes last season, but I thought when he came back this year he would be up to earning 25 minutes a game. I had higher hopes for him than this.

I do think that the idea we can't really assess him because of small sample size is poop. Besides that, if he had improved as much as I hoped, he would be getting more minutes, and we probably wouldn't be having the same discussion.

You think he's a good defender. I think he's an adequate defender. But tell me the truth - do you really see him on a significant upward trajectory? Do you really see any reason for him to be moved up to the 25 MPG I was hoping for, unless someone else gets injured?

One thing is for certain. If he does get a significant bump in minutes, someone else is going to have to step up their offensive game. Because Kyle's offensive production rate (Per36 numbers) are the lowest on the team. Putting Kyle on the floor with Danny is an offensive nightmare. I don't think this team can play defense good enough to make up for that. That's not hating, that's not being wishy-washy, that's just looking at what I see, and what the numbers say.
heh!
they won a game in which Danny shot 16% in 10 or 12 attempts in Toronto and Kyle played over 30 minutes as a SF. he draws fouls too, underrated aspect bc he has very few opportunities to make plays with the ball.
I did expect him to be better so I undertand the disappointment. Pop also talked about him getting more minutes so I don't think Pop expected him to be this hesitant either.

I won't comment to your Ayers comparison... they are very different players. Ayers was undersized to be a center, which is the only spot he could play, bc of his lack of length he wasn't as good a rim protector, and that wasn't ever going to change. On top of that he had very bad hands. Heh! even with him being undersized if he didn't have such bad hands maybe he'd still be around.

[Blake]

You just keep laughing and looking around wondering why no one else is laughing, that's fine by me.

No I don't.

But I'm glad you're not admitting you were wrong there.

[GSH]

heh!
they won a game in which Danny shot 16% in 10 or 12 attempts in Toronto and Kyle played over 30 minutes as a SF. he draws fouls too, underrated aspect bc he has very few opportunities to make plays with the ball.
I did expect him to be better so I undertand the disappointment. Pop also talked about him getting more minutes so I don't think Pop expected him to be this hesitant either.

I won't comment to your Ayers comparison... they are very different players. Ayers was undersized to be a center, which is the only spot he could play, bc of his lack of length he wasn't as good a rim protector, and that wasn't ever going to change. On top of that he had very bad hands. Heh! even with him being undersized if he didn't have such bad hands maybe he'd still be around.


LOL... you went and dug up an exception that shows the Spurs can overcome Danny and KA on the floor together, did you? I said that the Spurs can't play good enough defense to overcome those two being on the floor at the same time - and they didn't. They gave up 106 points to the Raptors. It just happened that the rest of the Spurs were shooting hot enough to make up for Kyle and Danny going a combined 4-18. Didja happen to notice that Murray/Lee/Mills all shot well over .500? And Bertans/Dedmon both shot .667? And Forbes shot .750? And LMA got to the FT line 11 times, and the Spurs went to the line 33 times all told?

As for the other? I honestly wish you hadn't brought it up. FTA/36 has always been one of my pet stats. I left it off a while ago, because I didn't want to keep piling on.

FTA/36
Ayers - 2.1
KA - 1.9

Anderson doesn't get to the line for shit. In fact, Kyle and Danny are the two worst on the team for drawing fouls (except for Forbes, who I don't even count). For a guy who was going to be a Point-Forward, and who spends quite a lot of time with the ball in his hands, KA absolutely sucks at getting to the line. What's worse is that Kyle's FTA/36 is down from last year, when he wen to the line 2.4 times per 36 minutes.

Of course Anderson and Ayers are different players. I mean, thanks for telling me, but I think even Blake understands that. :D My point was that their impact on the offensive end is almost identical, except that Kyle's is slightly less this season than Ayers' was, and less than his own impact last season.

I don't want to pile on the guy but, dammit, your attempts to turn night into day is like a dog whistle. He was aaallmost there last season, but he's regressed by any objective standard. And the Spurs really need him to step it up.

BTW - that win against Toronto? The Spurs were up by 2, with 1:03 left. Kyle and Danny proceeded to turn the ball over once, and miss two 3-pointers, all in the span of 28 seconds. The Spurs survived having those two on the floor together - nothing more than that.

[SAGirl]

LOL... you went and dug up an exception that shows the Spurs can overcome Danny and KA on the floor together, did you? I said that the Spurs can't play good enough defense to overcome those two being on the floor at the same time - and they didn't. They gave up 106 points to the Raptors. It just happened that the rest of the Spurs were shooting hot enough to make up for Kyle and Danny going a combined 4-18. Didja happen to notice that Murray/Lee/Mills all shot well over .500? And Bertans/Dedmon both shot .667? And Forbes shot .750? And LMA got to the FT line 11 times, and the Spurs went to the line 33 times all told?

As for the other? I honestly wish you hadn't brought it up. FTA/36 has always been one of my pet stats. I left it off a while ago, because I didn't want to keep piling on.

FTA/36
Ayers - 2.1
KA - 1.9

Anderson doesn't get to the line for shit. In fact, Kyle and Danny are the two worst on the team for drawing fouls (except for Forbes, who I don't even count). For a guy who was going to be a Point-Forward, and who spends quite a lot of time with the ball in his hands, KA absolutely sucks at getting to the line. What's worse is that Kyle's FTA/36 is down from last year, when he wen to the line 2.4 times per 36 minutes.

Of course Anderson and Ayers are different players. I mean, thanks for telling me, but I think even Blake understands that. :D My point was that their impact on the offensive end is almost identical, except that Kyle's is slightly less this season than Ayers' was, and less than his own impact last season.

I don't want to pile on the guy but, dammit, your attempts to turn night into day is like a dog whistle. He was aaallmost there last season, but he's regressed by any objective standard. And the Spurs really need him to step it up.

BTW - that win against Toronto? The Spurs were up by 2, with 1:03 left. Kyle and Danny proceeded to turn the ball over once, and miss two 3-pointers, all in the span of 28 seconds. The Spurs survived having those two on the floor together - nothing more than that.
Kyle's defense was hardly to blame for the Raptors... they had issues with all their rookies fouling 3 pt shooters... did you forget Forbes fouling a 3 pt shooter, Patty fouling a 3 pt shooter, Murray fouling Lowry. Lowry got to the line I think at least 10 times and it was all on the guards.


The conversation is interesting but even I tire of talking about the guy TBH and I had put myself on a time out b4 this thread. He's still interesting for me to watch and talk about but not to this obsessive degree anymore.

I still root for the guy but will let go of the Ayers comparison tbh. Discussing it doesn't interest me even a little bit. Just too different players all around and the reason Ayers is not in the league has nothing to do with him not scoring.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I still root for the guy but will let go of the Ayers comparison tbh. Discussing it doesn't interest me even a little bit. Just too different players all around and the reason Ayers is not in the league has nothing to do with him not scoring.

Very different indeed. One's a forward, the other a ball dominant point guard. And it's not easy for those ball-dominant types to reinvent themselves for playing off the ball successfully. In fact, some never did. But it's good to see Kyle putting in the effort needed for the transition.

[TheGreatYacht]

Fathead, ball dominant point guard?

He averages 2 assists Per36 and his go to move is a slomo shake at the top of the key-pass out to a contested guy

[ElNono]

Nothing wrong with being ambivalent about him... that's what his game is... it shows up in a game or two, he looks like he made strides, then goes back to square one...

[Snaq O'Meal]

Fathead, ball dominant point guard?

He was all along, in college and in the D-League. Just not with the big boys.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Some of us have been praising Anderson since Day One. Good to see the rest of Spurstalk has finally caught up. Bertans and Murray have also been on my radar since Day One.
Not a big fan or Forbes or Simmons although I thought Simmons was going to break out this year. I think he's reached his peak and can be a serviceable third string guy.

[ElNono]

He was actually garbage all game all the way to the 4th pretty much, where he made a few key baskets... I'm still not sure what his role is or what Pop's expectations are for him.

Sometimes I still think he's too tentative out there. He should watch Murray some, especially on the decisiveness aspect.

[Spurtacular]

Kyle Anderson in his defensive hunch reminds me of Gollum, tbh.

[Rocalcio]

He was actually garbage all game all the way to the 4th pretty much, where he made a few key baskets... I'm still not sure what his role is or what Pop's expectations are for him.

Sometimes I still think he's too tentative out there. He should watch Murray some, especially on the decisiveness aspect.

Without him it's a lost game, period.

[Poolboy5623]

What’s going to happen when Kawhi comes back?? Will Pop give the backup minutes to Gay, or Kyle “the legit nba player” Anderson?

[TheGreatYacht]

3 assists in 90 minutes this season. Hopefully vanilla posters will stop pretending he's some sort of great playmaker. He's terrible, in fact. Had another one of those failed slomo crossovers turned into a bailout pass to the top of the key that resulted in a TO and Powell dunk.

That 9 PER lol

[DaBears]

Good things happen for players when they have confidence and playing time.. Proof is in the Kyle....