Immigration freeze omits countries linked to attacks in the US

[Winehole23]

President Trump's freeze on immigration from seven mostly Muslim countries cites the potential threat of terrorism. But here's the twist — it doesn't include any countries from which radicalized Muslims have actually killed Americans in the U.S. since Sept. 11, 2001.

The president's executive action, which he signed Friday at the Pentagon, applies to these countries: Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq and Sudan.

Yet no Muslim extremist from any of these places has carried out a fatal attack in the U.S. in more than two decades.

In contrast, here are the countries of origin of radicalized Muslims who carried out deadly attacks in the U.S., beginning on Sept. 11, 2001: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Russia and Pakistan.
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/01/27/511861645/trumps-immigration-freeze-omits-those-linked-to-deadly-attacks-in-u-s

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It's only a start. The list will be added to as Trump deems fit.

Trump has the con, hole.

[boutons_deux]

Hilarous, and of course, BigOil's Saudi Arabia excluded.

[Wild Cobra]

Idiots.

Those are the countries the refugees are coming from, which have already cause havoc in other countries.

[Wild Cobra]

The NY Slimes has a link with the full text:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/refugee-muslim-executive-order-trump.html

[Wild Cobra]

NPR claims Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq and Sudan as being banned.

Only Syria is listed in the executive order.

Are the Trump hating pundits in the media lying to us again?

Another reason to stop funding the lying NPR...

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NPR claims Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq and Sudan as being banned.

Only Syria is listed in the executive order.

Are the Trump hating pundits in the media lying to us again?

Another reason to stop funding the lying NPR...

I think you're mistaken, WC. Iran has already banned us from entering their country in response to the Executive Order. + they say that Muslim extremists are really mad now and are going to really cut our heads off from now on.

[Wild Cobra]

I think you're mistaken, WC. Iran has already banned us from entering their country in response to the Executive Order. + they say that Muslim extremists are really mad now and are going to really cut our heads off from now on.

Where is it in that executive order?

I linked the text of it.

Please show me what I missed.

If Iran and others are already banned, then why is adding Syria to that list wrong?

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Where is it in that executive order?

I linked the text of it.

Please show me what I missed.

If Iran and others are already banned, then why is adding Syria to that list wrong?

I haven't looked at the EO. I'm just repeating the news about Iran.

[FromWayDowntown]

The case, United States v. Texas, No. 15-674, concerned a 2014 executive action by the president to allow as many as five million unauthorized immigrants who were the parents of citizens or of lawful permanent residents to apply for a program that would spare them from deportation and provide them with work permits. The program was called Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents, or DAPA.

Mr. Obama has said he took the action after years of frustration with Republicans in Congress who had repeatedly refused to support bipartisan Senate legislation to update immigration laws. A coalition of 26 states, led by Texas, promptly challenged the plan, accusing the president of ignoring administrative procedures for changing rules and of abusing the power of his office by circumventing Congress.

“Today’s decision keeps in place what we have maintained from the very start: One person, even a president, cannot unilaterally change the law,” Ken Paxton, the Texas attorney general, said in a statement after the ruling. “This is a major setback to President Obama’s attempts to expand executive power, and a victory for those who believe in the separation of powers and the rule of law.”

The degree to which the positions of modern-day Republicans are founded upon core principles of the role of government and the power of its branches is really a sight to behold.

[FromWayDowntown]

NPR claims Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq and Sudan as being banned.

Only Syria is listed in the executive order.

Are the Trump hating pundits in the media lying to us again?

Another reason to stop funding the lying NPR...

NPR is not lying; you're just choosing not to understand

Trump's executive order prohibits refugees from Syria. It also prohibits travel from the 7 countries identified by NPR.


Syrian refugees are banned from entry until further notice, the order says.
Nationals of six further countries, including Iran and Iraq, will be banned from entering the US for 90 days
The entire US refugee admissions programme is suspended for 120 days, and a lower cap on numbers introduced.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38781420

[boutons_deux]

If Iran and others are already banned, then why is adding Syria to that list wrong?

because the USA, esp the Repugs on behalf of BigOil, is responsible for fucking up the M/E, directly responsible for Ms of dead, maimed, homeless, refugees, fleeing the HELL the Repugs created.

if you can find any empathy in your black rightwingnutjob heart: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/exodus/

[Winehole23]

It's only a start. The list will be added to as Trump deems fit.

Trump has the con, hole.not disputed, though I'm amused along with FWD to observe how Republicans lionize government by executive fiat now that their guy sits in the WH.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol at that twink Clipper Nation

[monosylab1k]

:lmao leaving countries where has hotels or golf courses off the list.

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao leaving countries where has hotels or golf courses off the list.

:lol

[boutons_deux]

Trash Executive Order Could Block 500,000 Legal US Residents From Returning to the US From Trips

expected to have substantial effects on hundreds of thousands of people from these countries who already live in the U.S. under green cards or on temporary student or employee visas.

Since the order's travel ban applies to all "aliens" -- a term that encompasses anyone who isn't an American citizen -- it could bar those with current visas or even green cards from returning to the U.S. from trips abroad, said Stephen Legomsky, a former chief counsel to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services under President Obama.

"It's extraordinarily cruel," he said.

The order bans the "entry" of foreigners from those countries and specifically exempts from the ban those who hold certain diplomatic visas.

Not included in the exemption, however, are those who hold long-term temporary visas -- such as students or employees -- who have the right to live in the United States for years at a time, as well as to travel abroad and back as they please.

"If applied literally, this provision would bar even those visitors who had made temporary trips abroad, for example a student who went home on winter break and is now returning,"

About 25,000 citizens from the seven countries specified in Trump's ban have been issued student or employment visas in the past three years,

On top of that, almost 500,000 people from the seven countries have received green cards in the past decade, allowing them to live and work in the United States indefinitely. Legally speaking, green card holders are considered aliens.

Citizens of Iran and Iraq far outnumber those from the other five countries among green card and visa holders. In the past 10 years, Iranian and Iraqi citizens have received over 250,000 green cards.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/39260-trump-executive-order-could-block-500-000-legal-us-residents-from-returning-to-the-us-from-trips

[boutons_deux]

http://usuncut.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/victoria.png

Hours after Trump’s Muslim ban, Texas mosque burned to the ground

The Islamic Center of Victoria, which supports roughly 100 local Muslims in the community roughly 125 miles from Houston, was completely gutted by the fire, and its leader watched helplessly as their mosque was destroyed.

“It’s a house of worship,” said Islamic Center of Victoria president Shahid Hashmi,

http://usuncut.com/news/trump-muslim-ban-mosque-fire/

[boutons_deux]

Ex-Breitbart Alt-Nazi promoter Steve Bannon is author of Trump's executive orders (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/27/1625663/-Ex-Breitbart-Alt-Nazi-promoter-Steve-Bannon-is-author-of-Trump-s-executive-orders)


http://images.dailykos.com/images/329010/story_image/steve-bannon.jpg?1479426748

Two of Donald Trump’s senior advisors — neither of whom has any previous government or legal experience — have reportedly been writing executive orders without any input from the agencies they would affect.

Aides told Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trumps-flashy-executive-actions-could-run-aground-234200) that Steve Bannon (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/4-reasons-to-be-disgusted-and-alarmed-that-trump-made-breitbarts-steve-bannons-a-key-adviser/), the president’s chief strategist, and Stephen Miller (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/stephen-miller-donald-trump-2016-policy-adviser-jeff-sessions-213992), the senior White House advisor for policy, have made almost no effort to consult with federal agency lawyers or lawmakers as they wrote executive orders.

Bannon, the former chairman of Breitbart, and Miller, a Republican political operative who’s written most of Trump’s major speeches, are writing many of the orders based on ideas that came from transition officials or “landing teams” who weren’t working in the White House.

The orders have come so quickly, and from seemingly out of nowhere, that aides sometimes aren’t even sure which actions Trump will sign until they cross his desk.
…
The quick pace gives the appearance of momentum as the Trump administration gets up and running, but legal experts are concerned the White House is issuing “flawed orders that might be unworkable, unenforceable or even illegal,” the website reported.
...
GOP lawmakers complained they weren’t sure whether some of Trump’s executive orders, including his action to start the repeal of Obamacare, might conflict with existing laws because they hadn’t reviewed them.

Others have pointed out that Trump’s executive order on immigration includes only vague language on where funding would come from and does not consider the role of Congress in approving those payments.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/27/1625663/-Ex-Breitbart-Alt-Nazi-promoter-Steve-Bannon-is-author-of-Trump-s-executive-orders?detail=email&link_id=6&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-rachel-maddow-just-nailed-it-russia-is-guilty&email_referrer=rachel-maddow-just-nailed-it-russia-is-guilty&email_subject=rachel-maddow-just-nailed-it-russia-is-guilty

[Clipper Nation]

How, though, did the Trump administration choose these seven Muslim-majority countries? The truth is it didn't: The countries were chosen during Barack Obama (https://mic.com/topic/barack-obama)'s presidency.

According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/read-draft-text-trump-executive-order-muslim-entry_us_5888fe00e4b0024605fd591d), the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

Obama signed (http://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2015/dec/21/us-iran-differ-visa-waiver-law) the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries (https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/visit/visa-waiver-program.html)who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.

So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.

https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-list-of-muslim-countries-trump-wants-to-ban-was-compiled-by-the-obama-administration

[hater]

RIP Ghazi

[monosylab1k]

RIP Ghazi

:lol

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Ex-Breitbart Alt-Nazi promoter Steve Bannon is author of Trump's executive orders (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/27/1625663/-Ex-Breitbart-Alt-Nazi-promoter-Steve-Bannon-is-author-of-Trump-s-executive-orders)


http://images.dailykos.com/images/329010/story_image/steve-bannon.jpg?1479426748

Two of Donald Trump’s senior advisors — neither of whom has any previous government or legal experience — have reportedly been writing executive orders without any input from the agencies they would affect.

Aides told Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trumps-flashy-executive-actions-could-run-aground-234200) that Steve Bannon (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/4-reasons-to-be-disgusted-and-alarmed-that-trump-made-breitbarts-steve-bannons-a-key-adviser/), the president’s chief strategist, and Stephen Miller (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/stephen-miller-donald-trump-2016-policy-adviser-jeff-sessions-213992), the senior White House advisor for policy, have made almost no effort to consult with federal agency lawyers or lawmakers as they wrote executive orders.

Bannon, the former chairman of Breitbart, and Miller, a Republican political operative who’s written most of Trump’s major speeches, are writing many of the orders based on ideas that came from transition officials or “landing teams” who weren’t working in the White House.

The orders have come so quickly, and from seemingly out of nowhere, that aides sometimes aren’t even sure which actions Trump will sign until they cross his desk.
…
The quick pace gives the appearance of momentum as the Trump administration gets up and running, but legal experts are concerned the White House is issuing “flawed orders that might be unworkable, unenforceable or even illegal,” the website reported.
...
GOP lawmakers complained they weren’t sure whether some of Trump’s executive orders, including his action to start the repeal of Obamacare, might conflict with existing laws because they hadn’t reviewed them.

Others have pointed out that Trump’s executive order on immigration includes only vague language on where funding would come from and does not consider the role of Congress in approving those payments.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/27/1625663/-Ex-Breitbart-Alt-Nazi-promoter-Steve-Bannon-is-author-of-Trump-s-executive-orders?detail=email&link_id=6&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-rachel-maddow-just-nailed-it-russia-is-guilty&email_referrer=rachel-maddow-just-nailed-it-russia-is-guilty&email_subject=rachel-maddow-just-nailed-it-russia-is-guilty




Yep, that's what Bannon told Trump:::"Get me in there and I'll do the wet work."

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not disputed, though I'm amused along with FWD to observe how Republicans lionize government by executive fiat now that their guy sits in the WH.

I readily admit it's piss pot way to do it, but, whats good for the goose/Obama is sauce for the gander/Trump.

[StrengthAndHonor]

It's only a start. The list will be added to as Trump deems fit.

Trump has the con, hole.
:lol

[Reck]

How, though, did the Trump administration choose these seven Muslim-majority countries? The truth is it didn't: The countries were chosen during Barack Obama (https://mic.com/topic/barack-obama)'s presidency.

According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/read-draft-text-trump-executive-order-muslim-entry_us_5888fe00e4b0024605fd591d), the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

Obama signed (http://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2015/dec/21/us-iran-differ-visa-waiver-law) the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries (https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/visit/visa-waiver-program.html)who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.

So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.

https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-list-of-muslim-countries-trump-wants-to-ban-was-compiled-by-the-obama-administration

I could be wrong but flatly banning anyone just because you're coming from a certain country is entirely different than not allowing a person entering the country without a visa.

Furthermore, the article talks about the choosing of the countries..not the who.

It seems like if you're a muslin, you cant come in.

Did we read a different article or what?

[boutons_deux]

US airports on frontline as Trump immigration ban causes chaos and controversy

Homeland security says green card holders included while ACLU files lawsuit after two Iraqi men detained at New York’s JFK airport despite having valid visas

Trash’s executive order to close America’s borders (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/27/trump-immigration-plan-refugees-vetting-reaction) to refugees and immigrants from some Muslim-majority countries caused chaos on Saturday, as people who had flown to the US were held at major airports while others were barred from boarding flights or were pulled off planes overseas.

By Saturday evening, there were 11 people in detention at New York City’s John F Kennedy airport who had arrived from Iraq and other barred countries, according (https://twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/status/825404884321202178) to two Democratic members of Congress, Jerry Nadler and Nydia Velazquez, who joined protests at the airport.

According to representatives of immigration and civil rights group who spoke to reporters on a group call, other travellers were being held in Atlanta, Houston and Detroit.

Pre-approved refugees, students and workers holding visas and residency green cards were barred from flights to the US, according to reports emerging from Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Cairo and other cities across Europe, the Middle East and Africa.

As confusion reigned, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security confirmed to Reuters that people with green cards, making them legal permanent US residents, were included in the ban.

“It will bar green card holders,”

A state department spokesman confirmed to the Guardian that travellers who have dual nationality between a country on the list and another non-US country, for instance UK-Iraqi or Canadian-Somali citizenship,are barred from entering the US for 90 days.

The order provides for giving priority to religious minorities in those Muslim countries; Trump has said the US will in future prioritise Christian refugees.

“dozens remain detained” around the US amid confusion between local authorities, federal agencies, attorneys and the White House. “Nobody knows at this point.”

The checked her social media accounts, went through her phone, asked her about her politics, it was very intimidating,” Yegani said.

“This really undermines core American values and the US constitution. I would not be surprised if the legal challenges to this end up at the supreme court.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/airports-us-immigration-ban-muslim-countries-trump?CMP=fb_gu

All y'all Trash voters, xenphobes, rednecks, Islamaphobes, Christian Taliban, bubbas, shitkickers happy?

[djohn2oo8]

where is the AllLivesMatter crew?

[Trill Clinton]

825465073464393728

[baseline bum]

LOL the wingnuts here love executive orders now.

[baseline bum]

where is the AllLivesMatter crew?

It's the AltLivesMatter crew

[Reck]

825465073464393728

Trump and his cronies didn't think this one through. :lol

There is all kinds of loopholes that would fuck over legit, innocent people from re-entering the US after they leave.

Earlier today I read an article about an Iranian film maker not being able to attend the Oscars because he's stuck there now and cant come in.

Trump is a fucking moron. But the people who voted in angst of Hillary knew what they were getting so they get to eat this dump they got served.

[baseline bum]

Trump and his cronies didn't think this one through. :lol

There is all kinds of loopholes that would fuck over legit, innocent people from re-entering the US after they leave.

Earlier today I read an article about an Iranian film maker not being able to attend the Oscars because he's stuck there now and cant come in.

Trump is a fucking moron. But the people who voted in angst of Hillary knew what they were getting so they get to eat this dump they got served.

A week in and this guy is a fucking disaster already. I can't wait for 20% higher grocery bills until summer thanks to shithead.

[DPG21920]

This stuff is crazy. I guess my questions are - do people here believe there are true threats to our country's security? If so, what can reasonably be done to truly help prevent this?

I know this is harsh and there are so many innocent people caught in the cross-hairs but is added diligence in this area truly a bad thing? If you are being vetted heavily, you can still get in eventually correct or am I missing something?

It feels wrong, but it also feels like the world is bat shit crazy right now with bombings and killings all over the world. So what can be done? Or do people really think it's a non-issue? Or just take issue that it's selective profiling? Or that they didn't go far enough to make sure people that already have been here with legal visa's aren't caught up in this?

[baseline bum]

825465073464393728

So he can't be traded to an Eastern Conference team at the deadline then. :lol

[Spurminator]

This stuff is crazy. I guess my questions are - do people here believe there are true threats to our country's security?

Absolutely. But, historically, those threats have been from people who already lived here, with weapons they got here. To reduce or eliminate those threats requires sacrifice on our part, which we're not comfortable with, so fuck it let's just ban the people who don't live here because they ain't us.

This makes us less safe. Much less.

[ElNono]

How, though, did the Trump administration choose these seven Muslim-majority countries? The truth is it didn't: The countries were chosen during Barack Obama (https://mic.com/topic/barack-obama)'s presidency.

According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/read-draft-text-trump-executive-order-muslim-entry_us_5888fe00e4b0024605fd591d), the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

Obama signed (http://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2015/dec/21/us-iran-differ-visa-waiver-law) the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries (https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/visit/visa-waiver-program.html)who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.

So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.

https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-list-of-muslim-countries-trump-wants-to-ban-was-compiled-by-the-obama-administration

The Visa waiver program is a completely different animal. That's for tourists. Green card holders are not part of it (A green card is actually a visa).

This ban is a completely different thing.

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Trump and his cronies didn't think this one through. :lol

There is all kinds of loopholes that would fuck over legit, innocent people from re-entering the US after they leave.

Earlier today I read an article about an Iranian film maker not being able to attend the Oscars because he's stuck there now and cant come in.

Trump is a fucking moron. But the people who voted in angst of Hillary knew what they were getting so they get to eat this dump they got served.

Canada covered it today by happily opening their country to the hordes.

Scotland too.

Go there, the doors are wide open.

[DPG21920]

Absolutely. But, historically, those threats have been from people who already lived here, with weapons they got here. To reduce or eliminate those threats requires sacrifice on our part, which we're not comfortable with, so fuck it let's just ban the people who don't live here because they ain't us.

This makes us less safe. Much less.

What do you mean by this makes us much less safe?

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[[[Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 1h1 hour ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/825476070946328584)More
I will be interviewed by @TheBrodyFile (https://twitter.com/TheBrodyFile) on @CBNNews (https://twitter.com/CBNNews) tonight at 11pm. Enjoy!]]]

What a sweet nite it shall be.

:blah

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What do you mean by this makes us much less safe?

Because the head choppers in those countries are angry because we didn't let the nice people in their country into this country.

[ElNono]

This stuff is crazy. I guess my questions are - do people here believe there are true threats to our country's security? If so, what can reasonably be done to truly help prevent this?

I know this is harsh and there are so many innocent people caught in the cross-hairs but is added diligence in this area truly a bad thing? If you are being vetted heavily, you can still get in eventually correct or am I missing something?

It feels wrong, but it also feels like the world is bat shit crazy right now with bombings and killings all over the world. So what can be done? Or do people really think it's a non-issue? Or just take issue that it's selective profiling? Or that they didn't go far enough to make sure people that already have been here with legal visa's aren't caught up in this?

AFAIK, there's a 90 day ban order, whether you're a legal visa holder or not. Nobody knows if this is to vet these people during that time or what.

The biggest problem is with actual permanent residents. It's people legally living and working in the US, and the previous step to actual citizenship. It's crazy that those people now can't even go overseas to conduct businesses, etc, for fear of effectively being unable to come back in to their families, homes and jobs. I have to suspect the bans will be lifted by court order soon, I don't think that's really even legal.

The rest, refugees, tourists, etc, is more debatable.

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^^^

[[[“No person outside of the United States has a “RIGHT” to come to, or live in the United States of America.
Guest visitation (Visa approval) is a privilege, and emigration is entirely a structure of policy controlled by the executive branch of the U.S. through the Department of State.”]]]

[DPG21920]

AFAIK, there's a 90 day ban order, whether you're a legal visa holder or not. Nobody knows if this is to vet these people during that time or what.

The biggest problem is with actual permanent residents. It's people legally living and working in the US, and the previous step to actual citizenship. It's crazy that those people now can't even go overseas to conduct businesses, etc, for fear of effectively being unable to come back in to their families, homes and jobs. I have to suspect the bans will be lifted by court order soon, I don't think that's really even legal.

The rest, refugees, tourists, etc, is more debatable.

Ya - I agree. I believe there are real threats and terrorist exist and do really bad things. I have no problem with making things more strict.

I do agree that for people that have already been here, this is scary and tough, but this is a new thing and what I don't get is people not talking about the overall merits (I'm not sure what I believe to be the right thing to do here for this problem).

But obviously for people that have already been here legally, this is a massive issue and I absoultely think that portion of it needs to be addressed. I'm just interested to see how many people agree with the premise/objective overall if that portion was addressed.

[Spurminator]

What do you mean by this makes us much less safe?

It's provocation of people living here who are on the verge of becoming terrorists.

ISIS' strategy is to create a rift between the Muslim and Western world, and to recruit people who believe the West is out to get them. They recruit domestic sympathizers on the web. They're not trying to circumvent a months-to-years-long refugee vetting process to place people here.

Trump just handed them some great recruiting material.

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It's provocation of people living here who are on the verge of becoming terrorists.

ISIS' strategy is to create a rift between the Muslim and Western world, and to recruit people who believe the West is out to get them. They recruit domestic sympathizers on the web. They're not trying to circumvent a months-to-years-long refugee vetting process to place people here.

Trump just handed them some great recruiting material.

Well, they were cutting our heads off anyway. Now they'll really be cutting them off, eh?

[Spurminator]

And this isn't to sound Chicken Little. I still believe you are very, very unlikely to encounter a terrorist attack in this country, even after the ban. But it's an irrational reaction based on irrational fear, and if we're that scared of a foreign/Muslim extremist threat, this strategy doesn't even make sense.

[DPG21920]

It's provocation of people living here who are on the verge of becoming terrorists.

ISIS' strategy is to create a rift between the Muslim and Western world, and to recruit people who believe the West is out to get them. They recruit domestic sympathizers on the web. They're not trying to circumvent a months-to-years-long refugee vetting process to place people here.

Trump just handed them some great recruiting material.

So we should walk on egg shells for terrorists that might already be here?

[DPG21920]

And this isn't to sound Chicken Little. I still believe you are very, very unlikely to encounter a terrorist attack in this country, even after the ban. But it's an irrational reaction based on irrational fear, and if we're that scared of a foreign/Muslim extremist threat, this strategy doesn't even make sense.

Perfect - so this is what I was getting at. If we believe there to be a real threat (I personally do - I think there has been enough proof that terrorism even if statistically unlikely to be felt here on a consistent wide scale is a real issue) what is the right plan of attack?

Why is this, if amended to not impact those already legally being here, not the right path and what would be?

[Thread]

Perfect - so this is what I was getting at. If we believe there to be a real threat (I personally do - I think there has been enough proof that terrorism even if statistically unlikely to be felt here on a consistent wide scale) what is the right plan of attack?

Why is this, if amended to not impact those already legally being here, not the right path and what would be?

“No person outside of the United States has a “RIGHT” to come to, or live in the United States of America.
Guest visitation (Visa approval) is a privilege, and emigration is entirely a structure of policy controlled by the executive branch of the U.S. through the Department of State.”

[Spurminator]

So we should walk on egg shells for terrorists that might already be here?

No, where did you get that?

And anyway, how does "not placing a blanket ban on travelers from 7 countries" qualify as "walking on eggshells?"

[DPG21920]

No, where did you get that?

And anyway, how does "not placing a blanket ban on travelers from 7 countries" qualify as "walking on eggshells?"

Because your issue is that this ban gave terrorism "marketing material" and leads to more danger. That is the definition of walking on egg shells. Not doing something for fear of what you might make terrorist do/feel.

[Reck]

A week in and this guy is a fucking disaster already. I can't wait for 20% higher grocery bills until summer thanks to shithead.

Yo I came acrossed this while youtubing. Check it out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN5XSgqWohM&t=221s

This faggot Trump is about to start affecting my life directly now.

[Thread]

Yo I came acrossed this while youtubing. Check it out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN5XSgqWohM&t=221s

This faggot Trump is about to start affecting my life directly now.

"When I was a child I played with childish things. When I became a man I put childish things away." Grow the fuck up, Reck.

[Spurminator]

Why is this, if amended to not impact those already legally being here, not the right path and what would be?

Better intel on the recruitment of people who eventually become terrorists. Better control over how those people are able to obtain the weapons enabling them to commit acts of terror.

And I think unfortunately we have to start by setting the expectation that we may not be able to prevent a single act of terrorism from ever happening again.

[Wild Cobra]

They liberals think making something illegal solves the problem.

Maybe we should just pass a law banning terrorism in the USA?

They forget about existing laws, and like to make more of the same...

[ducks]

^^^

[[[“No person outside of the United States has a “RIGHT” to come to, or live in the United States of America.
Guest visitation (Visa approval) is a privilege, and emigration is entirely a structure of policy controlled by the executive branch of the U.S. through the Department of State.”]]]

[Reck]

"When I was a child I played with childish things. When I became a man I put childish things away." Grow the fuck up, Reck.

Old man, games are a hobby of mine.

Much like fucking around an online board is yours. I dont see a difference between the two.

In fact, there are studies that say gaming makes you..smarter or something like that.

[Spurminator]

Because your issue is that this ban gave terrorism "marketing material" and leads to more danger. That is the definition of walking on egg shells. Not doing something for fear of what you might make terrorist do/feel.


"Walking on eggshells" implies being extra careful not to offend. I don't think NOT banning nationals from these countries is being extra careful. It's normal.

And anyway, that's not my only issue with this ban.

[ducks]

November 15, 2015: comments made by Hillary Clinton in a New Hampshire Town Hall

“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in,” Clinton said “and I do think that you have to control your borders.”

[ElNono]

^^^

[[[“No person outside of the United States has a “RIGHT” to come to, or live in the United States of America.
Guest visitation (Visa approval) is a privilege, and emigration is entirely a structure of policy controlled by the executive branch of the U.S. through the Department of State.”]]]

These people have visas already approved, thus that privilege already granted. The proper procedure would be to revoke those visas. As somebody already pointed out, and courts have already established when Barry tried to pull the same stunt through executive order, it's not a matter of policy, but a matter of law.

[Winehole23]

The biggest problem is with actual permanent residents. It's people legally living and working in the US, and the previous step to actual citizenship. It's crazy that those people now can't even go overseas to conduct businesses, etc, for fear of effectively being unable to come back in to their families, homes and jobs. I have to suspect the bans will be lifted by court order soon, I don't think that's really even legal.These people already have permission to be here, have already been vetted.

What we're doing to this class of people is illegal besides being shameful, immoral and outrageous.

This shit deserves to get slapped down by the courts with a quickness: https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/1-_complaint.pdf

[ElNono]

This ban also applies to legal immigrants. That's the key issue. For tourists, refugees, illegals, etc, it's arguably not that big of a deal.

Green card holders can be married to American citizens and have fully legal families here. Obtaining such a visa (which is the permanent residency) is extremely difficult (I speak from experience).

We'll see how this develops, but at least as far as permanent residents goes, I don't think this is going to fly. Although, a court order might take more than 90 days, and nobody knows what happens after that.

[baseline bum]

Yo I came acrossed this while youtubing. Check it out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN5XSgqWohM&t=221s

This faggot Trump is about to start affecting my life directly now.

The 20% hike on produce wouldn't affect your life directly?

[spurraider21]

825465073464393728lol retarded question

[boutons_deux]

Gaslighter in Chief

Trump denies ban on Muslims is a Muslim ban, declares 'it's working out very nicely'? (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/28/1626567/-Trump-denies-ban-on-Muslims-is-a-Muslim-ban-declares-it-s-working-out-very-nicely)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/01/28/1626567/-Trump-denies-ban-on-Muslims-is-a-Muslim-ban-declares-it-s-working-out-very-nicely?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

[boutons_deux]

US border patrol is checking people’s Facebook for political views

Border agents are searching refugee’s Facebook accounts to ascertain their religious and political beliefs, according to Mana Yegani of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.

Ms. Yegani told The Intercept (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-ban-facebook-check-iraq-sudan-syria-mana-yegani-a7551256.html) that some of those she has consulted – despite having valid visas – have been interrogated by border agents about their political beliefs before being allowed into the country.

“These are people that are coming in legally. They have jobs here and they have vehicles here,” she said. “Just because Trump signed something at 6pm yesterday, things are coming to a crashing halt. It’s scary.”

Trita Parsi, head of the Iranian-American Council, also reported that green card holders are being subjected to political interrogations.

http://usuncut.com/news/us-border-patrol-checking-peoples-facebook-political-views/

[Reck]

The 20% hike on produce wouldn't affect your life directly?

Be more specific. What are you referring to?

[SpursforSix]

825465073464393728

Lol. I hope Parker somehow gets caught up in the net.

[boutons_deux]

:lol

Paul Ryan Gets Added to Wikipedia Page on Spineless Animals (Invertebrates)


http://www.politicususa.com/2017/01/28/paul-ryan-added-wikipedia-page-spineless-animals-invertebrates.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[SpursforSix]

Be more specific. What are you referring to?

Avocados for a starter.

[baseline bum]

Be more specific. What are you referring to?

Vegetables that come from Mexico in the winter. You eat, right?

[Reck]

Vegetables that come from Mexico in the winter. You eat, right?

Admittedly I'm more of a carnivore so I could live without it if I must but I would rather not.

[boutons_deux]

A (very short) list of Republicans in Congress who have criticized Trump’s immigration order

http://www.vox.com/2017/1/28/14427198/republican-critics-trump-refugee-order

Apparently, Trash consulted no lawyers.

[Wild Cobra]

A NY Judge has also ruled it out.

[ElNono]

825530448390524928

[ElNono]

Washington (CNN)[Breaking news update, published at 9:24 p.m. ET]
A federal judge granted an emergency stay Saturday night for citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries who have already arrived in the US and those who are in transit, and who hold valid visas, ruling they can legally enter the US. The decision halts part of President Donald Trump's executive order, which barred citizens from those countries from entering the US for the next 90 days.

[ElNono]

Dale Ho, director of the ACLU's Voting Rights Project, tweeted:

825525311278284800

[spurraider21]

rigged

dishonest press, judges, etc

[ElNono]

rigged

activist judges, tbh

[TDMVPDPOY]

so if these migrants who cant get back into the country where they have jobs, does that mean a job will be vacant? ... couldnt they file for unfair dismissal cause its not a legitimate reason unrelated to their work that got them redundant? whose going to foot the compensation payout?

but anyway even if a job previously performed by a immigrant/migrant...are the amercans going to apply or they better of on welfare?

[spurraider21]

muslim judges, tbh
fify

[Thread]

I'm hoping it gets lifted.

[ElNono]

fify

We're going to select the best judges in the world. They're going to be incredibly impartial. And China is going to pay for it. Believe me.

[Reck]

Washington (CNN)[Breaking news update, published at 9:24 p.m. ET]
A federal judge granted an emergency stay Saturday night for citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries who have already arrived in the US and those who are in transit, and who hold valid visas, ruling they can legally enter the US. The decision halts part of President Donald Trump's executive order, which barred citizens from those countries from entering the US for the next 90 days.

That didn't take long.

A week in and Trump is already pushing the limits which incidently I think was his purpose. He probably thought hey, lets see where this gets me.

Good to hear there are still judges who aren't totally fuckwads in our system.

[ducks]

A (very short) list of Republicans in Congress who have criticized Trump’s immigration order

http://www.vox.com/2017/1/28/14427198/republican-critics-trump-refugee-orderflake is not getting relected

Apparently, Trash consulted no lawyers. flake will not relected

[Thread]

That didn't take long.

A week in and Trump is already pushing the limits which incidently I think was his purpose. He probably thought hey, lets see where this gets me.

Good to hear there are still judges who aren't totally fuckwads in our system.

[Only those who have legal documentation to enter the United States.]

[ducks]

That didn't take long.

A week in and Trump is already pushing the limits which incidently I think was his purpose. He probably thought hey, lets see where this gets me.

Good to hear there are still judges who aren't totally fuckwads in our system.a judge appointed by former president who is gettting paid under the table

[boutons_deux]

“Immoral and stupid”: National security experts shred Trump’s Muslim ban

National security and counterterrorism revealed in interviews with Mother Jones today (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/trump-muslim-refugee-ban-disaster-national-security) the potentially disastrous ways that Trump’s Muslim Immigration Ban could thwart our operations in Muslim countries.

Patrick Skinner, former CIA counterterrorism case officer who currently works for a security consulting firm:

“Not only is it immoral and stupid, it’s also counterproductive.

We’ve got military, intelligence, and diplomatic personnel on the ground right now in Syria, Libya, and Iraq who are working side by side with the people, embedded in combat, and training and advising.

At no time in the US’s history have we depended more on local—and I mean local—partnerships for counterterrorism.

We need people in Al Bab, Syria; we depend on people in a certain part of eastern Mosul, Iraq; in Cert, Libya.

At the exact moment we need them most, we’re telling these people, ‘Get screwed.’

Kirk W. Johnson, who spent a year on the reconstruction in Fallujah in Iraq with the US Agency for International Development (USAID)

“This will have immediate national security implications, in that we are not going to be able to recruit people to help us right now, and people are not going to step forward to help us in any future wars if this is our stance.

“The US is officially banning people in these countries at the same time we’re trying to build up local support to fight ISIS. It takes a long time to build trust with these people. This is like the Abu Ghraib thing. You have to start over, say, ‘Okay, starting now, trust me.’ How many times can you get away with that?

“…It reads as though 9/11 happened yesterday, and that 9/11 was carried out by refugees, which it wasn’t, and it creates a series of policy prescriptions to solve a problem that doesn’t exist, as if the stringent measures that have been put in place over the past 15 years to screen refugees don’t exist…

“These people who are directly and immediately impacted by this have done more to help our country than just about every breathing American has—especially the president. Shame is not a strong enough word for today. This is a disgraceful moment.”


Elizabeth Goitein, who codirects the Brennan Center’s Liberty & National Security Program, said “The message this projects is that America sees Muslims as a threat—not specific actors who are intent on committing terrorist acts.

The message that America really is at war with Islam will be ISIS’s best friend.”

Indeed, in an interview with Buzzfeed (https://www.buzzfeed.com/mikegiglio/we-talked-to-people-who-fought-for-isis-this-is-how-they-pla?utm_term=.dqxqm5YMz#.qwDknLbqJ), an ISIS militant has said “Trump will shorten the time it takes for us to achieve our goals.”

http://usuncut.com/news/immoral-stupid-national-security-experts-shred-trumps-muslim-ban/

[boutons_deux]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/742877908860035072/zo99SwhU_bigger.jpgBradd Jaffy
✔@BraddJaffy (https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy)

Sr. DHS official tells NBC News: career State/DHS public servants had no input in drafting the order; “Nobody has any idea what is going on”

[Reck]

[Only those who have legal documentation to enter the United States.]

A while ago you were ok with people who were here legally not being able to entered because they had visited one of the banned countries.

Sanity prevails after all Thread.

[Thread]

A while ago you were ok with people who were here legally not being able to entered because they had visited one of the banned countries.

Sanity prevails after all Thread.

You got me. I got to take it.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Halts Program to Bring Jewish, Christian, Baha'i Refugees from Iran Austria has shut its door to about 300 non-Muslim Iranians hoping to use the country as a way station before establishing new homes in the United States, The Associated Press has learned. The action is an early ripple effect of U.S. President Donald Trump's effort to clamp down on refugee admissions.

Under a 27-year-old program originally approved by Congress to help Jews in the former Soviet Union, Austria had been serving until recently as a conduit for Iranian Jews, Christians and Baha'i, who were at risk in their home country and eligible to resettle in the United States. Iran has banned the Baha'i religion, which was founded in 1844 by a Persian nobleman considered a prophet by followers.

U.S. officials had been interviewing the candidates in Austria because they cannot do so in Iran. But the United States suspended the so-called "Iranian Lautenberg Program" in recent days, according to Austrian officials, who in turn stopped Iranians from reaching their territory. It's unclear when the program might restart.

The episode isn't directly linked to an executive order Trump signed Friday that orders strict new screening for refugees to keep "radical Islamic terrorists" out of the United States. But it reflects the knock-on effects already occurring from his tougher line on immigration and refugees.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-ends-program-to-bring-jewish-christian-baha-i-refugees-from-iran

[Pelicans78]

You got me. I got to take it.

Bend over. I'll show you how to take it.

[Thread]

Bend over. I'll show you how to take it.

Though Trump EO covered it:::
[[[A source with knowledge of the case confirmed Darweesh will be allowed into the US due to provisions in Trump's order that allow the State and Homeland Security departments to admit individuals into the US on a case-by-case base for certain reasons, including when the person is already in transit and it would cause undue hardship and would not pose a threat to the security of the US.]]]

[ducks]

A source with knowledge of the case confirmed Darweesh will be allowed into the US due to provisions in Trump's order that allow the State and Homeland Security departments to admit individuals into the US on a case-by-case base for certain reasons, including when the person is already in transit and it would cause undue hardship and would not pose a threat to the security of the US.


These liberals are idiots

[ducks]

America does not to be a third world country

[Thread]

A source with knowledge of the case confirmed Darweesh will be allowed into the US due to provisions in Trump's order that allow the State and Homeland Security departments to admit individuals into the US on a case-by-case base for certain reasons, including when the person is already in transit and it would cause undue hardship and would not pose a threat to the security of the US.


These liberals are idiots

I beat ya, ducks, by 3 minutes!!!

[ducks]

Yep

[Pelicans78]

America does not to be a third world country

But you don't provide anything to make it a developed country.

[resistanze]

America does not to be a third world country

But you can't even speak fucking English.

[benefactor]

But you don't provide anything to make it a developed country.


But you can't even speak fucking English.
:lol tbh

[Reck]

Is ducks an inbred redneck or he is french?

I'm pretty sure the illegals themselves are more fluent in English than ducks.

[Clipper Nation]

I could be wrong but flatly banning anyone just because you're coming from a certain country is entirely different than not allowing a person entering the country without a visa.
The article isn't saying that the policies are exactly the same - just that the Obama administration also placed travel restrictions on people from the same seven countries. The article also makes a good point that Trump likely picked those seven countries on purpose because Obama had already started restricting them.


It seems like if you're a muslin, you cant come in.
Here's the actual text of the executive order:

https://www.scribd.com/document/337740314/Trump-Executive-Order-1

The word "Muslim" doesn't even appear once.

Furthermore, here's the list of majority-Muslim countries that aren't affected by this policy: Mauritania, Afghanistan, Tunisia, Western Sahara, Morocco, Tajikistan, Mayotte, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Comoros, Niger, Algeria, Palestinian Territories, Saudi Arabia, Djibouti, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Senegal, Kosovo, Gambia, Mali, Jordan, Turkmenistan, Egypt, Kyrgyzstan, Oman, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Guinea, Cocos, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Sierra Leone, Bahrain, Kazakhstan, Brunei, Malaysia, Burkina Faso, Lebanon, Albania, Chad, and Bosnia and Herzegovina.

The "Muslim ban" narrative is fake news at its worst. But we all know how the left loves their "alternative facts" when it suits their purposes.

[monosylab1k]

America does not to be a third world country


But you can't even speak fucking English.


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[rasuo214]

Typical knee-jerk outrage.

[BanditHiro]

The article isn't saying that the policies are exactly the same - just that the Obama administration also placed travel restrictions on people from the same seven countries. The article also makes a good point that Trump likely picked those seven countries on purpose because Obama had already started restricting them.


Here's the actual text of the executive order:

https://www.scribd.com/document/337740314/Trump-Executive-Order-1

The word "Muslim" doesn't even appear once.

Furthermore, here's the list of majority-Muslim countries that aren't affected by this policy: Mauritania, Afghanistan, Tunisia, Western Sahara, Morocco, Tajikistan, Mayotte, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Comoros, Niger, Algeria, Palestinian Territories, Saudi Arabia, Djibouti, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Senegal, Kosovo, Gambia, Mali, Jordan, Turkmenistan, Egypt, Kyrgyzstan, Oman, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Guinea, Cocos, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Sierra Leone, Bahrain, Kazakhstan, Brunei, Malaysia, Burkina Faso, Lebanon, Albania, Chad, and Bosnia and Herzegovina.

The "Muslim ban" narrative is fake news at its worst. But we all know how the left loves their "alternative facts" when it suits their purposes.

Jim Crow voting laws were applied to everybody but let's not pretend it was not intended to disenfranchise the majority of black voters.

[ElNono]

I don't think it's a 'muslim ban', and ultimately you can give the benefit of the doubt that this was done, as DPG said, with natsec in mind.

But the way it's been done (not through Congress, and imposing a temporary ban instead of revoking visas) and the scope of the order (including legal residents) made the injunction pretty predictable and will likely force the administration to re-think it's strategy.

At least for Green Cards (which is not the case of these Iraquis, but they also appear to be covered by the EO), there's a high bar. You have to have multiple interviews, fingerprinted and photographed multiple times, go through FBI background checks, and must have a US person or company as your sponsor who is responsible for any possible fuckups you make while being a permanent resident. After 3-5 years, you can then apply for citizenship, that's the level we're talking about here. Heck, most of the H1B visa holders (temporary guest worker program) do not end up qualifying for a green card due to lack of sponsorship.

What really needs to happen here, is Congress needs to get their ass in gear with immigration reform, including potentially addressing this issue. An law straight from Congress has much more weight in a court of law.

[ElNono]

NBA investigating potential impact of U.S. travel order has on league

The NBA, its players and its coaches have waded into political waters in the months before and since the November election. But this week politics bled into the NBA when President Donald Trump signed an executive order temporarily limiting immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries.

Milwaukee Bucks rookie Thon Maker and Los Angeles Lakers veteran Luol Deng both are natives of Sudan, one of the countries subject to the temporary ban along with Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen.

The Bucks were concerned about Maker’s ability to travel freely with the team back to the United States from its game Friday in Toronto. The NBA released a statement saying it has contacted the State Department for information on how the restriction might affect personnel from the seven countries.

According to an ESPN report, there was no disruption to Maker’s or the Bucks’ itinerary back to Milwaukee:

Maker moved with his family to Australia in 2002, so he also has Australian citizenship and travels with an Australian passport. Still, there were concerns for Maker as the Bucks were returning from a Friday night game in Toronto just as Customs and Border Protection notified airlines about passengers whose visas had been canceled.

Bucks coach Jason Kidd, in announcing Saturday that Maker would start, confirmed that he had made it back to Milwaukee without incident. Maker had scored eight points and grabbed two rebounds in eight minutes of play in Friday night's 102-86 loss at Toronto, where Maker had lived for two years prior to being drafted in 2016 by Milwaukee. …

Deng was also born in Wau, Sudan, but like Maker has dual citizenship, having become a British citizen in 2006.

NBA spokesman Mike Bass issued the league’s statement to media outlets: "We have reached out to the State Department and are in the process of gathering information to understand how this executive order would apply to players in our league who are from one of the impacted countries. The NBA is a global league and we are proud to attract the very best players from around the world."

The NBA’s successful Basketball Without Borders program, for instance, has been credited with identifying and developing players from the Sudan. According to Yahoo! Sports The Vertical, several top Sudanese players “are attending American high scools and colleges on visas, and could become NBA draft picks.”

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/01/28/nba-investigating-potential-impact-us-travel-order-has-league

[Reck]

NBA investigating potential impact of U.S. travel order has on league

The NBA, its players and its coaches have waded into political waters in the months before and since the November election. But this week politics bled into the NBA when President Donald Trump signed an executive order temporarily limiting immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries.

Milwaukee Bucks rookie Thon Maker and Los Angeles Lakers veteran Luol Deng both are natives of Sudan, one of the countries subject to the temporary ban along with Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen.

The Bucks were concerned about Maker’s ability to travel freely with the team back to the United States from its game Friday in Toronto. The NBA released a statement saying it has contacted the State Department for information on how the restriction might affect personnel from the seven countries.

According to an ESPN report, there was no disruption to Maker’s or the Bucks’ itinerary back to Milwaukee:

Maker moved with his family to Australia in 2002, so he also has Australian citizenship and travels with an Australian passport. Still, there were concerns for Maker as the Bucks were returning from a Friday night game in Toronto just as Customs and Border Protection notified airlines about passengers whose visas had been canceled.

Bucks coach Jason Kidd, in announcing Saturday that Maker would start, confirmed that he had made it back to Milwaukee without incident. Maker had scored eight points and grabbed two rebounds in eight minutes of play in Friday night's 102-86 loss at Toronto, where Maker had lived for two years prior to being drafted in 2016 by Milwaukee. …

Deng was also born in Wau, Sudan, but like Maker has dual citizenship, having become a British citizen in 2006.

NBA spokesman Mike Bass issued the league’s statement to media outlets: "We have reached out to the State Department and are in the process of gathering information to understand how this executive order would apply to players in our league who are from one of the impacted countries. The NBA is a global league and we are proud to attract the very best players from around the world."

The NBA’s successful Basketball Without Borders program, for instance, has been credited with identifying and developing players from the Sudan. According to Yahoo! Sports The Vertical, several top Sudanese players “are attending American high scools and colleges on visas, and could become NBA draft picks.”

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/01/28/nba-investigating-potential-impact-us-travel-order-has-league

I dont get angry easily but the more I read about this the more disgusted and angry I feel. The whole thing is so outrageous.

Perfectly people with legal status have to now worry about doing any type of travel because they may not be allowed back in. Jesus

[Thread]

I dont get angry easily but the more I read about this the more disgusted and angry I feel. The whole thing is so outrageous.

Perfectly people with legal status have to now worry about doing any type of travel because they may not be allowed back in. Jesus

[[[The Obama Administration Stopped Processing Iraq Refugee Requests For 6 Months In 2011 (http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/)


NOVEMBER 18, 2015 By Sean Davis (http://thefederalist.com/author/seandavis/)
Although the Obama administration currently refuses to temporarily pause its Syrian refugee resettlement program in the United States, the State Department in 2011 stopped processing Iraq refugee requests for six months (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131) after the Federal Bureau of Investigation uncovered evidence that several dozen terrorists from Iraq had infiltrated the United States via the refugee program.]]]

You didn't get disgusted and angry then, Recky.

[Reck]

[[[The Obama Administration Stopped Processing Iraq Refugee Requests For 6 Months In 2011 (http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/)


NOVEMBER 18, 2015 By Sean Davis (http://thefederalist.com/author/seandavis/)
Although the Obama administration currently refuses to temporarily pause its Syrian refugee resettlement program in the United States, the State Department in 2011 stopped processing Iraq refugee requests for six months (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131) after the Federal Bureau of Investigation uncovered evidence that several dozen terrorists from Iraq had infiltrated the United States via the refugee program.]]]

You didn't get disgusted and angry then, Recky.

Those are special cases, obviously.

We are talking about every day, normal folks who are just traveling and coming back home but cant.

[Thread]

Those are special cases, obviously.

We are talking about every day, normal folks who are just traveling and coming back home but cant.

I'll just bet they were.

[Reck]

I'll just bet they were.

Dont be obtuse.

You're comparing people who are on a watch list with every day people who are just away on vacation or whatever the case and are just coming back home.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I don't think it's a 'muslim ban', and ultimately you can give the benefit of the doubt that this was done, as DPG said, with natsec in mind.

But the way it's been done (not through Congress, and imposing a temporary ban instead of revoking visas) and the scope of the order (including legal residents) made the injunction pretty predictable and will likely force the administration to re-think it's strategy.

At least for Green Cards (which is not the case of these Iraquis, but they also appear to be covered by the EO), there's a high bar. You have to have multiple interviews, fingerprinted and photographed multiple times, go through FBI background checks, and must have a US person or company as your sponsor who is responsible for any possible fuckups you make while being a permanent resident. After 3-5 years, you can then apply for citizenship, that's the level we're talking about here. Heck, most of the H1B visa holders (temporary guest worker program) do not end up qualifying for a green card due to lack of sponsorship.

What really needs to happen here, is Congress needs to get their ass in gear with immigration reform, including potentially addressing this issue. An law straight from Congress has much more weight in a court of law.

Marriage eliminates this requirement though.

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Malevolence Tempered by Incompetence: Trump’s Horrifying Executive Order on Refugees and Visas

The malevolence of President Trump’s Executive Order on visas and refugees is mitigated chiefly—and perhaps only—by the astonishing incompetence of its drafting and construction.

NBC is reporting (https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/825448574028804096) that the document was not reviewed

by DHS,

the Justice Department,

the State Department, or

the Department of Defense, and that

National Security Council lawyers were prevented (https://twitter.com/AriMelber/status/825514236784832512) from evaluating it.

Moreover, the New York Timeswrites (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html) that Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services, the agencies tasked with carrying out the policy, were only given a briefing call while Trump was actually signing the order itself. Yesterday, the Department of Justice gave a “no comment” (http://www.npr.org/2017/01/27/511998206/key-justice-dept-office-won-t-say-if-it-approved-white-house-executive-orders) when asked whether the Office of Legal Counsel had reviewed Trump’s executive orders—including the order at hand.

(OLC normally reviews every executive order.)

This order reads to me, frankly, as though it was not reviewed by competent counsel at all.

CNN offers extraordinary details (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html):

Administration officials weren't immediately sure which countries' citizens would be barred from entering the United States. The Department of Homeland Security was left making a legal analysis on the order after Trump signed it. A Border Patrol agent, confronted with arriving refugees, referred questions only to the President himself, according to court filings.
. . .
It wasn't until Friday -- the day Trump signed the order banning travel from seven Muslim-majority countries for 90 days and suspending all refugee admission for 120 days -- that career homeland security staff were allowed to see the final details of the order, a person with the familiar the matter said.
. . .
The policy team at the White House developed the executive order on refugees and visas, and largely avoided the traditional interagency process that would have allowed the Justice Department and homeland security agencies to provide operational guidance, according to numerous officials who spoke to CNN on Saturday.

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly and Department of Homeland Security leadership saw the final details shortly before the order was finalized, government officials said.

Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people who with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.

The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US.


As I shall explain, in the short term, the incompetence is actually good news for people who believe in visa and refugee policies based on criteria other than—let’s not be coy about this—bigotry and religious discrimination.

The President has created a target-rich environment for litigation that will make his policies, I suspect, less effective than they would have been had he subjected his order to vetting one percent as extreme as the vetting to which he proposes to subject refugees from Bashar al-Assad and the bombing raids of Vladimir Putin.

it is most emphatically not good news to have a White House that just makes decisions with no serious thought or interagency input into what those decisions might mean. In fact, it’s really dangerous.

in the rational pursuit of security objectives,

you don’t marginalize your expert security agencies and fail to vet your ideas through a normal interagency process.

You don’t target the wrong people in nutty ways when you’re rationally pursuing real security objectives.

On the underinclusive side, the order wouldn’t have blocked the entry of many of the people responsible for the worst recent terrorist attacks.

I don’t believe that the stated purpose is the real purpose

When do you do these things?

You do these things when you’re elevating the symbolic politics of bashing Islam over any actual security interest.

You do them when you’ve made a deliberate decision to burden human lives to make a public point. In other words, this is not a document that will cause hardship and misery because of regrettable incidental impacts on people injured in the pursuit of a public good.

It will cause hardship and misery for tens or hundreds of thousands of people because that is precisely what it is intended to do.

This document is the

implementation of a campaign promise to keep out Muslims moderated only by the fact that certain allied Muslim countries are left out because the diplomatic repercussions of including them would be too detrimental.

(https://lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas)the implications of having an executive this inept are not small and won’t be short-lived.

https://lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas (https://lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas)

ex-Goldman Sacks Steve Bannon is well known Breitbart asshole, white male nationalist, racist, bigot, misogynist, appearance of a street bum, but Stephen Miller is equally repugnant.

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Malevolence Tempered by Incompetence: Trump’s Horrifying Executive Order on Refugees and Visas (https://lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas)

By Benjamin Wittes (https://lawfareblog.com/contributors/bwittes)
Saturday, January 28, 2017, 10:58 PM

The malevolence of President Trump’s Executive Order on visas and refugees is mitigated chiefly—and perhaps only—by the astonishing incompetence of its drafting and construction.
NBC is reporting (https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/825448574028804096) that the document was not reviewed by DHS, the Justice Department, the State Department, or the Department of Defense, and that National Security Council lawyers were prevented (https://twitter.com/AriMelber/status/825514236784832512) from evaluating it. Moreover, the New York Times writes (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html) that Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services, the agencies tasked with carrying out the policy, were only given a briefing call while Trump was actually signing the order itself. Yesterday, the Department of Justice gave a “no comment” (http://www.npr.org/2017/01/27/511998206/key-justice-dept-office-won-t-say-if-it-approved-white-house-executive-orders) when asked whether the Office of Legal Counsel had reviewed Trump’s executive orders—including the order at hand. (OLC normally reviews every executive order.)

This order reads to me, frankly, as though it was not reviewed by competent counsel at all.

CNN offers extraordinary details (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html):


Administration officials weren't immediately sure which countries' citizens would be barred from entering the United States. The Department of Homeland Security was left making a legal analysis on the order after Trump signed it. A Border Patrol agent, confronted with arriving refugees, referred questions only to the President himself, according to court filings.
. . .
It wasn't until Friday -- the day Trump signed the order banning travel from seven Muslim-majority countries for 90 days and suspending all refugee admission for 120 days -- that career homeland security staff were allowed to see the final details of the order, a person with the familiar the matter said.
. . .
The policy team at the White House developed the executive order on refugees and visas, and largely avoided the traditional interagency process that would have allowed the Justice Department and homeland security agencies to provide operational guidance, according to numerous officials who spoke to CNN on Saturday.
Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly and Department of Homeland Security leadership saw the final details shortly before the order was finalized, government officials said.

Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people who with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.
The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US.


As I shall explain, in the short term, the incompetence is actually good news for people who believe in visa and refugee policies based on criteria other than—let’s not be coy about this—bigotry and religious discrimination. The President has created a target-rich environment for litigation that will make his policies, I suspect, less effective than they would have been had he subjected his order to vetting one percent as extreme as the vetting to which he proposes to subject refugees from Bashar al-Assad and the bombing raids of Vladimir Putin.

Indeed, even as I write these words, the ACLU has already succeeded (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/825525912447963138) in petitioning a federal court for a class-wide stay of deportations of immigrants and refugees trapped in airports by Trump’s order. And a federal judge in Virginia has issued (https://twitter.com/JoshDorner/status/825534492710408192) a temporary restraining order preventing the removal of green card holders detained in Dulles International Airport and requiring that these legal residents of the United States have access to counsel.

In the broader sense, however, it is most emphatically not good news to have a White House that just makes decisions with no serious thought or interagency input into what those decisions might mean. In fact, it’s really dangerous.

Let’s start with the malevolence of the document (https://lawfareblog.com/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states), which Amira Mikhail summarized (https://lawfareblog.com/donald-trumps-executive-order-suspending-immigrant-and-refugee-entry-us)and Adham Sahloul analyzed (https://lawfareblog.com/president-trump-closing-americas-doors) earlier today. I don’t use the word “malevolence” here lightly. As readers of my work know, I believe in strong counterterrorism powers. I defend non-criminal detention. I’ve got no problem with drone strikes. I’m positively enthusiastic about American surveillance policies. I was much less offended than others were by the CIA’s interrogations in the years after September 11. I have defended military commissions.

Some of these policies were effective; some were not. Some worked out better than others. And I don’t mean to relitigate any of those questions here. My sole point is that all of these policies were conceptualized and designed and implemented by people who were earnestly trying to protect the country from very real threats. And the policies were, to a one, proximately related to important goals in the effort. While some of these policies proved tragically misguided and caused great harm to innocent people, none of them was designed or intended to be cruel to vulnerable, concededly innocent people. Even the CIA’s interrogation program, after all, was deployed against people the agency believed (mostly correctly) to be senior terrorists of the most dangerous sort and to garner information from them that would prevent attacks.

I actually cannot say that about Trump’s new executive order—and neither can anyone else.

Here’s how the order describes its purpose:
Section 1. Purpose. The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States. Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans. And while the visa-issuance process was reviewed and amended after the September 11 attacks to better detect would-be terrorists from receiving visas, these measures did not stop attacks by foreign nationals who were admitted to the United States.
Numerous foreign-born individuals have been convicted or implicated in terrorism-related crimes since September 11, 2001, including foreign nationals who entered the United States after receiving visitor, student, or employment visas, or who entered through the United States refugee resettlement program. Deteriorating conditions in certain countries due to war, strife, disaster, and civil unrest increase the likelihood that terrorists will use any means possible to enter the United States.
...


Color me skeptical that this is the real purpose. After all, if this is the real purpose, then the document is both wildly over-inclusive and wildly under-inclusive. On the over-inclusive side, it will keep tens of thousands of innocent refugees who have been subject to unspeakable violence outside of the protection of the United States on the vanishingly small chance that these people might be terrorists—indeed, to make it impossible for them even to apply for refugee admission if they are Syrian. It will prevent untold numbers of people about whom there is no whiff of suspicion from coming here as students, as professionals, as tourists. It overtly treats members of a particular religion differently from other people.

On the underinclusive side, the order wouldn’t have blocked the entry of many of the people responsible for the worst recent terrorist attacks. There is, in fact, simply no rational relationship between cutting off visits from the particular countries that Trump targets (Muslim countries that don’t happen to be close U.S. allies) and any expected counterterrorism goods. The 9/11 hijackers, after all, didn’t come from Somalia or Syria or Iran; they came from Saudi Arabia and Egypt and a few other countries not affected by the order. Of the San Bernardino attackers (both of Pakistani origin, one a U.S. citizen and the other a lawful permanent resident), the Orlando shooter (a U.S. citizen whose parents were born in Afghanistan), and the Boston marathon bombers (one a naturalized U.S. citizen, one a green card holder who arrived in Massachusetts from Kyrgyzstan), none came from countries listed in the order. One might argue, I suppose, that the document is tied to current threats. But come now, how could Pakistan not be on a list guided by current threat perception?

What’s more, the document also takes steps that strike me as utterly orthogonal to any relevant security interest. If the purpose of the order is the one it describes, for example, I can think of no good reason to burden the lives of students individually suspected of nothing who are here lawfully and just happen to be temporarily overseas, or to detain tourists and refugees who were mid-flight when the order came down. I have trouble imagining any reason to raise questions about whether green card holders who have lived here for years can leave the country and then return. Yes, it’s temporary, and that may lessen the costs (or it may not, depending on the outcome of the policy review the order mandates), but temporarily irrational is still irrational.

Put simply, I don’t believe that the stated purpose is the real purpose. This is the first policy the United States has adopted in the post-9/11 era about which I have ever said this. It’s a grave charge, I know, and I’m not making it lightly. But in the rational pursuit of security objectives, you don’t marginalize your expert security agencies and fail to vet your ideas through a normal interagency process. You don’t target the wrong people in nutty ways when you’re rationally pursuing real security objectives.

When do you do these things? You do these things when you’re elevating the symbolic politics of bashing Islam over any actual security interest. You do them when you’ve made a deliberate decision to burden human lives to make a public point. In other words, this is not a document that will cause hardship and misery because of regrettable incidental impacts on people injured in the pursuit of a public good. It will cause hardship and misery for tens or hundreds of thousands of people because that is precisely what it is intended to do.

To be sure, the executive order does not say anything as crass as: “Sec. 14. Burdening Muslim Lives to Make Political Point.” It doesn’t need to. There’s simply no reason in reading it to ignore everything Trump said during the campaign, during which he repeatedly called for a ban on Muslims entering the United States.

Even while he was preparing to sign the order itself, he declared (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/825098480276238336), "This is the ‘Protection of the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States.’ We all know what that means." Indeed, we do. This document is the implementation of a campaign promise to keep out Muslims moderated only by the fact that certain allied Muslim countries are left out because the diplomatic repercussions of including them would be too detrimental.

Many years ago, the great constitutional law scholar Charles Black Jr., contemplating the separate but equal doctrine (http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3590&context=fss_papers), asked:


does segregation offend against equality? Equality, like all general concepts, has marginal areas where philosophic difficulties are encountered. But if a whole race of people finds itself confined within a system which is set up and continued for the very purpose of keeping it in an inferior station, and if the question is then solemnly propounded whether such a race is being treated "equally," I think we ought to exercise one of the sovereign prerogatives of philosophers—that of laughter.


I think we can, without drawing any kind of equivalence between this order and Jim Crow, make a similar point here: Is this document a reasonable security measure? There are many areas in which security policy affects innocent lives but within which we do not presumptively say that the fact that some group of people faces disproportionate burdens renders that policy illegitimate. But if an entire religious grouping finds itself irrationally excluded from the country for no discernible security benefit following a lengthy campaign that overtly promised precisely such discrimination and exactly this sort of exclusion, if the relevant security agencies are excluded from the policy process, and if the question is then solemnly propounded whether the reasonable pursuit of security is the purpose, I think we ought to exercise one of the sovereign prerogatives of philosophers—that of laughter.

So yes, the order is malevolent. But here’s the thing: Many of these malevolent objectives were certainly achievable within the president’s lawful authority. The president’s power over refugee admissions is vast. His power to restrict visa issuances and entry of aliens to the United States is almost as wide. If the National Security Council had run a process of minimal competence, it could certainly have done a lot of stuff that folks like me, who care about refugees, would have gnashed our teeth over but which would have been solidly within the President’s authority. It could have all been implemented in a fashion that didn’t create endless litigation opportunities and didn’t cause enormous diplomatic friction.

How incompetent is this order? An immigration lawyer who works for the federal government wrote me today describing the quality of the work as “look like what an intern came up with over a lunch hour. . . . My take is that it is so poorly written that it’s hard to tell the impact." One of the reasons there’s so much chaos going on right now, in fact, is that nobody really knows what the order means on important points.

Some examples:


Sec. 3(c) bans "entry"—which to the best of my knowledge has had no meaning in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) since the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) in 1996. Pre-IIRIRA law did use the term “entry,” but that is no longer the case.
Section 3(g) talks of waivers on a case-by-case basis for people who are otherwise denied visas or other benefits under the immigration laws pursuant to the order. If a person needs a waiver to obtain "other benefits," does that mean that nationals of the seven countries are denied [I]any benefit under the INA without a waiver, benefits such as naturalization, adjustment of status, or temporary protected status, even if they are already in the US?
On its face, the order bars entry of both immigrants and non-immigrants. Again, as entry is not defined, and no one was given any time to draft implementing guidance or to clarify any points, it’s no surprise that Customs and Border Protection doesn’t seem to know how to apply it to lawful permanent residents (LPRs). The INA, at section 101(a)(13)(C), says that green card holders will not be deemed as seeking admission absent the factors enumerated therein—factors that do not include an executive order banning entry. Yet Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-greencard-idUSKBN15C0KX) and The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/airports-us-immigration-ban-muslim-countries-trump) are both reporting quotations from a DHS public relations official, stating that the order does apply to LPRs. If that interpretation lasts, look for DHS to get its ass handed to it on a platter in federal court—a defeat it will richly deserve.
Another big mystery is how the order will apply to asylees. Will people even be allowed to apply? On the one hand, the right to seek asylum is right there in the INA. But to apply for asylum, you have to be interviewed by a U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services officer to determine if you have a credible fear of persecution. Is that interview a benefit under the act? And if so, is it barred? From what I hear, right now anyway, Customs and Border Protection is not allowing anyone to claim asylum and have a credible fear interview.

I could go on, but you get the point. This order is a giant birthday present to the ACLU and other immigration litigators. And godspeed to them in going after it—which, as I noted above, they are already succeeding in doing.

But the incompetence actually does not stop at running a process that causes legal chaos and probable manhandling by the federal courts.

Consider, for example, the likely diplomatic fallout. In his first week in office, Trump has managed to create a major rift with Mexico, our peaceable neighbor to the south with whom we have no earthly reason to be spatting and haven’t had bilateral problem this serious since Pancho Villa. Trump’s new order seems certain to raise tensions with other countries too—and not just the countries whose nationals it targets (Iran, for example, which today restricted travel by U.S. nationals in retaliation; a great many U.S. citizens have family in Iran and now can’t visit them).

Because the order applies to dual nationals, where a person is a citizen of one restricted country and one non-restricted country, it appears to bar entry to hundreds of thousands (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/28/unhcr-speaks-donald-trump-suspends-us-refugee-program/) of citizens of the U.K. and Canada—including a British Member of Parliament (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-reveals-he-is-banned-from-us-under-trumps-muslim-ban-a7551511.html) and a Canadian-Iranian consultant (https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/01/28/passport-holders-of-7-muslim-majority-countries-cant-board-air-canada-flights-to-us.html) who lives in the United States but now can no longer safely travel to her business’s headquarters in Toronto without being blocked from reentry. British Prime Minister Theresa May wasn’t showing a lot of spine today over the matter, but what happens when she starts getting political blowback at home for the not standing up to the U.S. over its treatment of her nationals?

And Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is already making noise. He tweeted today:


(https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau)✔@JustinTrudeau (https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau)

To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada (https://twitter.com/hashtag/WelcomeToCanada?src=hash)
9:20 PM - 28 Jan 2017 (https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/825438460265762816)



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I would wax triumphant about the mitigating effect of incompetence on this document, but alas, I can’t do it. The president’s powers in this area are vast, as I say, and while the incompetence is likely to buy the administration a world of hurt in court and in diplomacy in the short term, this order is still going take more than a few pounds of flesh out of a lot of innocent people.

Moreover, it’s a very dangerous thing to have a White House that can’t with the remotest pretense of competence and governance put together a major policy document on a crucial set of national security issues without inducing an avalanche of litigation and wide diplomatic fallout. If the incompetence mitigates the malevolence in this case, that’ll be a blessing. But given the nature of the federal immigration powers, the mitigation may be small and the blessing short-lived; the implications of having an executive this inept are not small and won’t be short-lived.

[hater]

Oops Trump made a booboo fellas. Even I accept it :lol

Still believe he is better than shillary but boy this fuckup is embarrassing in the world stage :lmao

[Splits]

And :lol "not a muslim ban" when he said this yesterday:


DAVID BRODY: “Persecuted Christians, we’ve talked about this, the refugees overseas. The refugee program, or the refugee changes you’re looking to make. As it relates to persecuted Christians, do you see them as kind of a priority here?”

PRESIDENT TRUMP: “Yes.”

DAVID BRODY: “You do?”

PRESIDENT TRUMP: “They’ve been horribly treated. Do you know if you were a Christian in Syria it was impossible, at least very tough to get into the United States? If you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible and the reason that was so unfair, everybody was persecuted in all fairness, but they were chopping off the heads of everybody but more so the Christians. And I thought it was very, very unfair. So we are going to help them.”

Not only a lie, but explicit acknowledgement that the ban only applies to Muslims.

[hater]

The real question now is will he move the goalpost or will he double down :lol

[Splits]

This stuff is crazy. I guess my questions are - do people here believe there are true threats to our country's security? If so, what can reasonably be done to truly help prevent this?

I know this is harsh and there are so many innocent people caught in the cross-hairs but is added diligence in this area truly a bad thing? If you are being vetted heavily, you can still get in eventually correct or am I missing something?

It feels wrong, but it also feels like the world is bat shit crazy right now with bombings and killings all over the world. So what can be done? Or do people really think it's a non-issue? Or just take issue that it's selective profiling? Or that they didn't go far enough to make sure people that already have been here with legal visa's aren't caught up in this?


JANUARY 25, 2017 3:31PM

Little National Security Benefit to Trump’s Executive Order on Immigration

By ALEX NOWRASTEH (https://www.cato.org/people/alex-nowrasteh)

Tomorrow, President Trump is expected to sign an executive order enacting a 30-day suspension of all visas for nationals from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen.

Foreigners from those seven nations have killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and the end of 2015. Six Iranians, six Sudanese, two Somalis, two Iraqis, and one Yemini have been convicted of attempting or carrying out terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Zero Libyans or Syrians have been convicted of planning a terrorist attack on U.S. soil during that time period.

Many other foreigners have been convicted of terrorism-related offenses that did not include planning a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. One list released by Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) details 580 terror-related convictions (http://www.sessions.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2016/6/at-least-580-individuals-convicted-in-terror-cases-since-9-11-at-least-380-are-foreign-born) since 9/11. This incomplete list probably influenced which countries are temporarily banned, and likely provided justification for another section of Trump’s executive order, which directs the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to release all information on foreign-born terrorists going forward, and requires additional DHS reports to study foreign-born terrorism.

I exhaustively evaluated Senator Sessions’ list of convictions based on publicly available data and discovered some startling details.

First, 241 of the convictions (42 percent) were not for terrorism offenses. Senator Sessions puffed his numbers by including “terrorism-related convictions,” a nebulous category that includes investigations that begin due to a terrorism tip but then end in non-terrorism convictions. My favorite examples of this are the convictions of Nasser Abuali, Hussein Abuali, and Rabi Ahmed (http://www.motherjones.com/fbi-terrorist/nasser-abuali-stolen-cereal). An informant told the FBI that the trio tried to purchase a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, but the FBI found no evidence supporting the accusation. The three individuals were instead convicted of receiving two truckloads of stolen cereal. That is a crime but it is not terrorism.

Second, only 40 of the 580 convictions (6.9 percent) were for foreigners planning a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Seeking to join a foreign terrorist group overseas, material support for a foreign terrorist, and seeking to commit an act of terror on foreign soil account for 180 of the 580 convictions (31 percent). Terrorism on foreign soil is a crime, should be a crime, and those convicted of these offenses should be punished severely but the government cannot claim that these convictions made America safe again because these folks were not targeting U.S. soil.

Third, 92 of the 580 convictions (16 percent) were for U.S. born citizens. No change in immigration law, visa limitations, or more rigorous security checks would have stopped them.
The executive order includes national security exemptions to be made on a case-by-case basis. The President reserves the option to ban the entry of nationals from additional countries in the future based on a national security risk report written by DHS. Furthermore, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security can recommend visa bans for nationals from additional countries at any time.

In addition to the visa restrictions above, Trump’s executive order further cuts the refugee program to 50,000 annually, indefinitely blocks all refugees from Syria, and suspends all refugee admissions for 120 days. This is a response to a phantom menace. From 1975 to the end of 2015, 20 (https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-risk-analysis#cite-15) refugees have been convicted of attempting or committing terrorism on U.S. soil, and only three Americans have been killed in attacks committed by refugees—all in the 1970s. Zero Americans have been killed by Syrian refugees in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. The annual chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee is one in 3.6 billion. The other 17 convictions have mainly been for aiding or attempting to join foreign terrorists.

President Trump tweeted earlier this week that executive orders were intended to improve (https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/823500708204998656)national security (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824083821889015809) by reducing the terrorist threat. However, a rational evaluation of national security threats is not the basis for Trump’s orders, as the risk is fairly small but the cost (https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-risk-analysis#cite-15) is great. The measures taken here will have virtually no effect on improving U.S. national security.

https://www.cato.org/blog/little-national-security-benefit-trumps-executive-order-immigration

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Oh shit seems like he wont double down but triple down :lol

Apparently he will sign an executive order to get all social media info AND cell phone contacts from all foreigners visiting US :lmao

Angela Merkel will have to give up her phone upon entry :lmao :lol

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Sec. 5. Realignment of the U.S. Refugee Admissions

(b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the
Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of
Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to
the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims
made by individuals on the basis of religious-based
persecution, provided that the religion of the individual
is a minority religion in the individual's country of
nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the
Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend
legislation to the President that would assist with such
prioritization.


(e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed
pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries
of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to
admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a
case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long
as they determine that the admission of such individuals as
refugees is in the national interest -- including when the
person is a religious minority in his country of
nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting
the person would enable the United States to conform its
conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when
the person is already in transit and denying admission
would cause undue hardship -- and it would not pose a risk
to the security or welfare of the United States.


:lol not a Muslim ban

[baseline bum]

I can't believe we have turned the clock back from 2017 to 1933

[Thread]

I can't believe we have turned the clock back from 2017 to 1933

You had nary problem believing it under Hussein:::

[[[The Obama Administration Stopped Processing Iraq Refugee Requests For 6 Months In 2011 (http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/)


NOVEMBER 18, 2015 By Sean Davis (http://thefederalist.com/author/seandavis/)
Although the Obama administration currently refuses to temporarily pause its Syrian refugee resettlement program in the United States, the State Department in 2011stopped processing Iraq refugee requests for six months (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131) after the Federal Bureau of Investigation uncovered evidence that several dozen terrorists from Iraq had infiltrated the United States via the refugee program.]]]

[Pelicans78]

Oops Trump made a booboo fellas. Even I accept it :lol

Still believe he is better than shillary but boy this fuckup is embarrassing in the world stage :lmao

Yes. His victory was necessary to get away from the status quo. He's gonna damage the country in the short term, but will force the country wake up just in time for the 2020 election. Another positive for a Trump presidency is he will damage the Republican Party long-term.

[Mark Celibate]

kek...the madman did it!

http://i.imgur.com/O8PdnAh.jpg

[Thread]

Yes. His victory was necessary to get away from the status quo. He's gonna damage the country in the short term, but will force the country wake up just in time for the 2020 election. Another positive for a Trump presidency is he will damage the Republican Party long-term.

That's what you said during the campaign. What happened? You got your ass handed to you, buster.

[Thread]

- "The ban is in place."

- DHS

[Reck]

Yes. His victory was necessary to get away from the status quo. He's gonna damage the country in the short term, but will force the country wake up just in time for the 2020 election. Another positive for a Trump presidency is he will damage the Republican Party long-term.

Dude, Trump is going to leave such a bad taste in everyone's mouth after he's done that going back to status quo will actually be the reset.

You're not going to get one extreme and replace it with another (far left) in consecutive terms. No way.

This is why, even though Hillary was a bad candidate, she at least had some progressive goals (Albeit because of pressure from Bernie, Warren and supporters) that would have been put into place. Slow progress beats no progress at all.

If you think we're going to go from far right like we are now to far left in 4 years you're just not paying attention. This country is not ready for too much of one thing. As we are finding out with Trump's stupidity.

[baseline bum]

One week in and this fucking faggot has already proved to be the dangerous fascist everyone feared.

[boutons_deux]

One week in and this fucking faggot has already proved to be the dangerous fascist everyone feared.

Confirmed by his "Ehrlichman and Haldeman Prussians" of Bannon and Milller as dirty hit men, and with this lifelong racist, bigot ready to provide legal cover.


Donald Trump’s Refugee Ban Has Attorney General Nominee Jeff Sessions' Fingerprints All Over It

For years, Senator Jeff Sessions and his top communications guru have been screaming and hollering about refugees. Looks like their new boss granted their wish.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/28/donald-trump-s-refugee-ban-has-attorney-general-nominee-jeff-session-s-fingerprints-all-over-it.html

And no doubt Trash's team will come with their clone of Alberto Gonzalez.

[boutons_deux]

White Male Supremacist/Racist Steve Bannon personally overruled DHS decision not to include green card holders in travel ban: CNN

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/steve-bannon-personally-overruled-dhs-decision-not-to-include-green-card-holders-in-travel-ban-cnn/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[florige]

One week in and this fucking faggot has already proved to be the dangerous fascist everyone feared.


He is just appeasing to his wacky base of voters who are all out in the streets celebrating. Unfortunately the rest of us along with his supporters are going to face the repercussions behind what this idiot is now doing. That one political scientist is one Trump impeachment away from looking like a total genius. The way the first week has gone he seems to be well on his way.

[Splits]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3V7w9wWEAYesww.jpg

[Thread]

He is just appeasing to his wacky base of voters who are all out in the streets celebrating. Unfortunately the rest of us along with his supporters are going to face the repercussions behind what this idiot is now doing. That one political scientist is one Trump impeachment away from looking like a total genius. The way the first week has gone he seems to be well on his way.

At least you're no different than us. We used the {I} word a week into Hussein's presidency as well.

But like us, you'll play hell gettin' 'er done.

[Thread]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3V7w9wWEAYesww.jpg

- "The ban remains in place."

- DHS

[Thread]

White Male Supremacist/Racist Steve Bannon personally overruled DHS decision not to include green card holders in travel ban: CNN

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/steve-bannon-personally-overruled-dhs-decision-not-to-include-green-card-holders-in-travel-ban-cnn/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29



More fake news...

[[[The decision led Mother Jones columnist Kevin Drum to ---conclude (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/trumps-immigration-fiasco-might-be-more-premeditated-we-think)--- that the chaos caused by Trump’s executive order had been part of the White House plan.]]]

Well, ain't that the cat's pajamas. What other conclusion could they possibly concoct? tee, hee. "Get the white man with the red nose. We can't possibly go wrong."

[Thread]

NEWS (http://nypost.com/news/)

Customs agents ignore judge, enforce Trump’s travel ban: ACLU (http://nypost.com/2017/01/29/customs-agents-ignore-judge-enforce-trumps-travel-ban-aclu/)By Kathianne Boniello (http://nypost.com/author/kathianne-boniello/)

January 29, 2017 | 12:37am


The ACLU is getting “multiple reports” that federal customs agents are siding with President Trump — and willfully ignoring a Brooklyn federal judge’s demand (http://nypost.com/2017/01/28/federal-judge-grants-emergency-stay-for-those-detained-under-trumps-travel-ban/) that travelers from seven Muslim countries not be deported from the nation’s airports.]]]

Let us proceed...

[Pelicans78]

That's what you said during the campaign. What happened? You got your ass handed to you, buster.

Yet I supported his victory. Necessary evil.

[da_suns_fan]

:lmao leaving countries where has hotels or golf courses off the list.

He doesnt have hotels or golf courses.

He has licensing deals. Someone else built a hotel or golf course and they pay him money to put his stupid name on the front.

[Thread]

Yet I supported his victory. Necessary evil.

See, that way you can't lose. It's pussy. Pick a fuckin' side & arm yourself.

[Reck]

Yet I supported his victory. Necessary evil.

No. That just makes you a dumbass.

[Thread]

No. That just makes you a dumbass.

C'mon, now, Recky, I've see you atop that fence dancin' like a dervish. You ain't without complicity here.

[Splits]

C'mon, now, Recky, I've see you atop that fence dancin' like a dervish. You ain't without complicity here.

bullshit, hockey stick

you first showed up in these parts 9 Nov

[Thread]

bullshit, hockey stick

you first showed up in these parts 9 Nov

If I want any lip out of you I'll take my zipper down.

[Splits]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0314/1049/products/Pro_Stock_ccm_super_tacks_hockey_stick_-_online_17b77921-1113-410b-b64a-1fee4935353c_large.jpg?v=1477402439

[Splits]

Courts? What courts?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3WsAAhWYAIefd8.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Trash, WH ARE FUCKING LYING

The ban isn't about safety.

It's about keeping campaign vows to be racist, bigoted, Muslim-hating, xenophobic.

Trash's voters elected him for this, and now they got. Fuck all of them to hell.

[djohn2oo8]

Courts? What courts?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3WsAAhWYAIefd8.jpg

Contempt of court.

[Reck]

:lol Trump about to get hit with a contempt of court order for ignoring the judge's original ruling. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Christian Leaders Denounce Trump’s Plan to Favor Christian Immigrants

A broad array of clergy members has strongly denounced Mr. Trump’s order as discriminatory, misguided and inhumane.

Outrage has also come from some of the evangelical, Roman Catholic and mainline Protestant leaders who represent the churches most active in trying to aid persecuted Christians.

By giving preference to Christians over Muslims, religious leaders have said the executive order pits one faith against another.

By barring any refugees from entering the United States for nearly four months, it leaves people to suffer longer in camps, and prevents families from reuniting.

Also, many religious leaders have said that putting an indefinite freeze on refugees from Syria, and cutting the total number of refugees admitted this year by 60,000, shuts the door to those most in need.

“We believe in assisting all, regardless of their religious beliefs,” said Bishop Joe S. Vásquez, the chairman of the committee on migration for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (http://www.usccb.org/).

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/christian-leaders-denounce-trumps-plan-to-favor-christian-immigrants.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com

[resistanze]

Pick a fuckin' side

And herein the problem with the sheep, you actually think they see you on their team.

[Spurminator]

Reichbart's take...

825611769020346368

[DarrinS]

Didn't Carter ban Iranians in 1980? But, I guess this is way worse, right?

[Thread]

And herein the problem with the sheep, you actually think they see you on their team.

Well, that was true when I sided Bush. This time, this time I chose wisely.

[Thread]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3WsAAhWYAIefd8.jpg

Let us proceed...

[Winehole23]

Didn't Carter ban Iranians in 1980? But, I guess this is way worse, right?The executive branch ignoring court orders makes it an order of magnitude worse, yes.

[Winehole23]

it's an attack on the Constitution Trump recently swore to uphold.

[Spurminator]

Didn't Carter ban Iranians in 1980? But, I guess this is way worse, right?

Is there currently a hostage crisis involving Americans in these seven countries?

[Thread]

it's an attack on the Constitution Trump recently swore to uphold.

The hole.

[Reck]

Didn't Carter ban Iranians in 1980? But, I guess this is way worse, right?

LOL, dude there was an actual hostage situation and we had to respond..

[boutons_deux]

KAC: Thanks, Obama. We assholes love your list of countries

[Reck]

Is there currently a hostage crisis involving Americans in these seven countries?

Guess he forgot that part. Convieniently so.

[angrydude]

Except Obama did the same thing with Iraq. The US is currently bombing 5 of those countries. And Obama made the list not Trump. #inconvinienttruths

[hater]

Yes but Trumps team execution was bad. They fucked up even if they were on the right side of history. Clumsy pathetic execution. But then again so was Obamacare

[Spur_Fanatic]

All they have to do is make some business with Trump, and the US will give them every accommodation, of course.

[Thread]

it's an attack on the Constitution Trump recently swore to uphold.

The hole

[djohn2oo8]

Few more judges have blocked the executive order.

[boutons_deux]

As the Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-challenge-trumps-executive-order/2017/01/28/e69501a2-e562-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-banner-main_airports-banner7pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.d7cf03fde1f8) summarizes the first two judicial rulings:



A federal judge in New York blocked deportations nationwide late Saturday of those detained on entry to the United States after an executive order from President Trump targeted citizens from seven predominantly Muslim countries.

Judge Ann Donnelly of the U.S. District Court in Brooklyn granted a request from the American Civil Liberties Union to stop the deportations after determining that the risk of injury to those detained by being returned to their home countries necessitated the decision.

Minutes after the judge’s ruling in New York, another came in Alexandria when U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema issued a temporary restraining order to block for seven days the removal of any green-card holders being detained at Dulles International Airport.

Brinkema’s action also ordered that lawyers have access to those held there because of the ban.


Just a few minutes ago, a third order (https://twitter.com/sdooling/status/825601265493241856) was entered by the federal district court in Massachusetts.

And there was another such order (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3437037/Seattle-Order-20170128.pdf)tonight from the district court in Seattle.

In case you’re wondering, three of the four court orders were handed down by Democratically-nominated judges.

The important thing to watch going forward, in my view, is the Trump Administration’s response to the judges’ actions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/01/29/four-federal-judges-issue-orders-blocking-parts-of-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration/?utm_term=.7a3fa6fef28d

yes, let's see if Trash and his sycophants trash the judges as they have been trashing the press.

[Reck]

Few more judges have blocked the executive order.

Hope he keeps ignoring them so all the contempt of court orders pile up. :lol

Impeachment in 1.2..:lmao

[ElNono]

Marriage eliminates this requirement though.

It doesn't. Marriage makes the couple the sponsor. It does, however, removes some limitations when a sponsor is a non-spouse. A person that married a US Citizen, still has to go through the usual process of obtaining a green card, including demonstrating it's not a sham marriage, biometrics, form fees, background check, etc, and still has to wait 3-5 years to file for citizenship.

The point, however, is that statistically the vast majority of H1B holders are not sponsored for a green card at the end of their stay.

[ElNono]

You can say Barry did this, Nixon did that, but I don't think we've ever seen a direct ban on entering the country for approved permanent residents. Ever. I've seen entry denied for people holding tourist visas, but permanent residents, never.

Like hater said, it was terribly executed, even if the intent was 'noble'. The way to actually do this with any teeth would've been to either suspend granting visas or revoking them, which automatically makes entry or re-entry actually illegal under current law.

The problem with making it right is that it would've probably taken a lot longer to go through the list and doing what needed to be done, and people would've then been aware for much longer not to leave the country until the inevitable court battles were over.

[ElNono]

Hope he keeps ignoring them so all the contempt of court orders pile up. :lol

Impeachment in 1.2..:lmao

I wouldn't hold my breath on impeachment when the charges have to be brought up by Congress, tbh...

[rmt]

Canada covered it today by happily opening their country to the hordes.

Scotland too.

Go there, the doors are wide open.

Regardless of how much my Canadian relatives hate Trump, they hate the refugees coming into Canada more - FULL (and they give a lot) benefits as soon as they land.

[baseline bum]

Regardless of how much my Canadian relatives hate Trump, they hate the refugees coming into Canada more - FULL (and they give a lot) benefits as soon as they land.

What kind of benefits do they offer American refugees?

[DMC]

NBA investigating potential impact of U.S. travel order has on league

The NBA, its players and its coaches have waded into political waters in the months before and since the November election. But this week politics bled into the NBA when President Donald Trump signed an executive order temporarily limiting immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries.

Milwaukee Bucks rookie Thon Maker and Los Angeles Lakers veteran Luol Deng both are natives of Sudan, one of the countries subject to the temporary ban along with Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen.

The Bucks were concerned about Maker’s ability to travel freely with the team back to the United States from its game Friday in Toronto. The NBA released a statement saying it has contacted the State Department for information on how the restriction might affect personnel from the seven countries.

According to an ESPN report, there was no disruption to Maker’s or the Bucks’ itinerary back to Milwaukee:

Maker moved with his family to Australia in 2002, so he also has Australian citizenship and travels with an Australian passport. Still, there were concerns for Maker as the Bucks were returning from a Friday night game in Toronto just as Customs and Border Protection notified airlines about passengers whose visas had been canceled.

Bucks coach Jason Kidd, in announcing Saturday that Maker would start, confirmed that he had made it back to Milwaukee without incident. Maker had scored eight points and grabbed two rebounds in eight minutes of play in Friday night's 102-86 loss at Toronto, where Maker had lived for two years prior to being drafted in 2016 by Milwaukee. …

Deng was also born in Wau, Sudan, but like Maker has dual citizenship, having become a British citizen in 2006.

NBA spokesman Mike Bass issued the league’s statement to media outlets: "We have reached out to the State Department and are in the process of gathering information to understand how this executive order would apply to players in our league who are from one of the impacted countries. The NBA is a global league and we are proud to attract the very best players from around the world."

The NBA’s successful Basketball Without Borders program, for instance, has been credited with identifying and developing players from the Sudan. According to Yahoo! Sports The Vertical, several top Sudanese players “are attending American high scools and colleges on visas, and could become NBA draft picks.”

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/01/28/nba-investigating-potential-impact-us-travel-order-has-league

Jesus fucking Christ El... what would the NBA be today without Thon Maker and Luol Deng?

[DMC]

Hope he keeps ignoring them so all the contempt of court orders pile up. :lol

Impeachment in 1.2..:lmao

:lol stump dumb ^

[DMC]

What kind of benefits do they offer American refugees?

They pick the nits off our feathers since we are the great eagle and they are the parasite nestled firmly beneath our wings.

[Clipper Nation]

825798856839421952

This is a Quinnippiac Poll, so it goes without saying that they undersampled Republicans and independents while oversampling Democrats. The fact that they still couldn't make the refugee ban look unpopular says it all.

[DMC]

But "popular" and "right" aren't synonymous.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

This is going to be great for Muslims because they can go where they belong

825817633362698240

And it's going to be great for us because we get to make the Muslims leave. America can't be great again if there's any Muslims in it

[Clipper Nation]

Here's a rare decent article from the National Review (normally an anti-Trump rag) explaining why the outrage over this executive order is ridiculous:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria

Normally, I'd quote select parts of the article, but I'd just end up quoting the whole damn thing. Everyone should just read it and then stop losing their minds over a return to sane immigration policies.

[Fabbs]

Could have done this two years ago.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252327&highlight=Egyptian

Egyptian billionaire offers to buy island for refugees.

[Pelicans78]

This is going to be great for Muslims because they can go where they belong

825817633362698240

And it's going to be great for us because we get to make the Muslims leave. America can't be great again if there's any Muslims in it

99% of Muslims in this country are probably more successful than you.

[Th'Pusher]

This is going to be great for Muslims because they can go where they belong

825817633362698240

And it's going to be great for us because we get to make the Muslims leave. America can't be great again if there's any Muslims in it

At the cost of ~$1B per month. Let me guess, Trump is going to make Syria pay for them.

[Thread]

At the cost of ~$1B per month. Let me guess, Trump is going to make Syria pay for them.

$18 per month is reasonable, Pusher.

Make them stay there and fix their country. Or, got to Canada, they've opened their doors and arms.

[Thread]

What kind of benefits do they offer American refugees?

You don't have to fight in Vietnam.

[Clipper Nation]

What kind of benefits do they offer American refugees?
If you want to move to Canada, you'd better have job skills that are in demand, own a business, have a high net worth, and/or have relatives who already live there. Otherwise, you're shit out of luck.

In before :cry "like, Canada is soooo fascist, they're the new Nazi Germany. I'm literally shaking!" :cry

[Thread]

7 minutes ago on Facebook:::Statement Regarding Recent Executive Order Concerning Extreme Vetting
“America is a proud nation of immigrants and we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but we will do so while protecting our own citizens and border. America has always been the land of the free and home of the brave.
We will keep it free and keep it safe, as the media knows, but refuses to say. My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror. To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting.
This is not about religion - this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days.
I have tremendous feeling for the people involved in this horrific humanitarian
crisis in Syria. My first priority will always be to protect and serve our country, but as President I will find ways to help all those who are suffering.”

[Reck]

825798856839421952

This is a Quinnippiac Poll, so it goes without saying that they undersampled Republicans and independents while oversampling Democrats. The fact that they still couldn't make the refugee ban look unpopular says it all.

So two quick things.

1. You dont trust polls, but you want us to start trusting them now?
2. This poll doesn't even mentioned Trump's executive order that just happened. People weren't polled based on what happened Friday till now. In fact this was from January 12.

It is also worth pointing out that this poll talked only about the refugees themselves, not legal people who have greencards and have been established residents here long term.

Hell, CP, The twitter graph actually shows the dates as 5-9.

[Clipper Nation]

So two quick things.

1. You dont trust polls, but you want us to start trusting them now?
2. This poll doesn't even mentioned Trump's executive order that just happened. People weren't polled based on what happened Friday till now. In fact this was from January 12.

It is also worth pointing out that this poll talked only about the refugees themselves, not legal people who have greencards and have been established residents here long term.

Hell, CP, The twitter graph actually shows the dates as 5-9.
I know it only asked about the refugee ban component. Nothing in my post says otherwise. Maybe try reading people's posts first before jumping down their throats.

[Th'Pusher]

I know it only asked about the refugee ban component. Nothing in my post says otherwise. Maybe try reading people's posts first before jumping down their throats.

Your post was a link of a Fox News tweet that said "Nearly half of America voters support Trump's immigration order".

That's deceiving at best.

[Clipper Nation]

Your post was a link of a Fox News tweet that said "Nearly half of America voters support Trump's immigration order".

That's deceiving at best.
The text of the tweet was wrong, but the graphic got it right and so did what I wrote under the tweet.

[Th'Pusher]

The text of the tweet was wrong, but the graphic got it right and so did what I wrote under the tweet.

I'm glad we agree the Fox News tweet you quoted was deceiving :tu

[djohn2oo8]

lol CN

[baseline bum]

If you want to move to Canada, you'd better have job skills that are in demand, own a business, have a high net worth, and/or have relatives who already live there. Otherwise, you're shit out of luck.

In before :cry "like, Canada is soooo fascist, they're the new Nazi Germany. I'm literally shaking!" :cry

You know, I agree with Trump on not accepting Syrian refugees. I don't want them in the US. I have no problem admitting skilled workers from Syria who are willing to put in the work to get citizenship and pay taxes, but I don't want to take in desperate people who are going to see working at McDonalds sucks in America and who are thus going to be much easier to radicalize. But blanket bans that keep legal residents from entering the country is ridiculous. Fuck Trump and fuck Sessions thinking they can do this.

[Reck]

You know, I agree with Trump on not accepting Syrian refugees. I don't want them in the US. I have no problem admitting skilled workers from Syria who are willing to put in the work to get citizenship and pay taxes, but I don't want to take in desperate people who are going to see working at McDonalds sucks in America and who are thus going to be much easier to radicalize. But blanket bans that keep legal residents from entering the country is ridiculous. Fuck Trump and fuck Sessions thinking they can do this.

It's an act of charity BB. :lol

As long as you dont let refugees in like in Germany we should be fine. Plenty of room for people that are in dire need of a place. It's life and death for the vast majority of those refugees.

I would focus on the kids and mothers.

[spurraider21]

lol CN been busy today spamming polls that agree with his point of view after months of telling us how stupid polls are

[Will Hunting]

You know, I agree with Trump on not accepting Syrian refugees. I don't want them in the US. I have no problem admitting skilled workers from Syria who are willing to put in the work to get citizenship and pay taxes, but I don't want to take in desperate people who are going to see working at McDonalds sucks in America and who are thus going to be much easier to radicalize. But blanket bans that keep legal residents from entering the country is ridiculous. Fuck Trump and fuck Sessions thinking they can do this.
Agreed with this. I think completely opening the boarders to Syrian refugees the way Germany has is suicide by white guilt (definitely though Trump had Hilary beat on this issue), but this travel policy is reckless and poorly thought out. I don't understand what good it does to impose this on legal residents.

[boutons_deux]

I don't understand what good it does to impose this on legal residents.

Bannon specifically blocked DHS request to exclude green carders, which does NO good. A huge fuckup by Bannon on behalf of Trash.

[baseline bum]

It's an act of charity BB. :lol

As long as you dont let refugees in like in Germany we should be fine. Plenty of room for people that are in dire need of a place. It's life and death for the vast majority of those refugees.

I would focus on the kids and mothers.

If those mothers come here and can only find work at Hardees their kids will see how much America sucks for people making $7.25 an hour. I only want to admit people who can give their families a middle class life so their kids have a real shot and don't cling to their religion. These acts of charity have been disasters in Europe and we're going to see a hard right fascist movement there just like we're under now because of them. It's not our duty to make life fair for Syrians.

[Reck]

Bannon specifically blocked DHS request to exclude green carders, which does NO good. A huge fuckup by Bannon on behalf of Trash.

They're also not doing jack squat about it. They're just letting this happen.

[Will Hunting]

It's simple economics tbh. America already has a surplus of unskilled labor that can't provide for itself which has led to stagnant wages and a diminished middle class. Letting even more unskilled labor in the country will do nothing but make the problem worse.

[boutons_deux]

Who the Hell Is Running Things at the White House?

This is nuts:



On Friday, the Department of Homeland Security determined that President Trump's immigration order didn't apply to green card holders.
Later on Friday, Steve Bannon overruled them and said it did.
Saturday night, DHS confirmed that the order applied to green card holders.
Today, chief of staff Reince Priebus apparently overruled Bannon (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/politics/white-house-official-in-reversal-says-green-card-holders-wont-be-barred.html) and said it didn't apply to green card holders after all.


Who are Bannon and Priebus speaking for?

Neither one of them has the authority on their own to issue these directives.

DHS Secretary John Kelly has the authority.

Whoever's running the Department of Justice has the authority.

Donald Trump has the authority.

When are we going to hear from one of them?

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/who-hell-running-things-white-house


:lol We know from Trash's business career he's fucking sucky manager.

[ElNono]

Senate Foreign Relation Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), whom Trump considered picking to be his running mate and, later, secretary of state, called on the president to immediately retool the order.

“We all share a desire to protect the American people, but this executive order has been poorly implemented, especially with respect to green card holders,” Corker said in a statement. “The administration should immediately make appropriate revisions, and it is my hope that following a thorough review and implementation of security enhancements that many of these programs will be improved and reinstated.”

...

Even GOP supporters of the travel ban want it revised to make it less onerous. House Homeland Security Chairman Mike McCaul (R-Texas), after supporting the executive order earlier this weekend, chastised Trump on Sunday for not coordinating better with Congress.

“In light of the confusion and uncertainty created in the wake of the President’s Executive Order, it is clear adjustments are needed," McCaul wrote in a statement.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) called Trump's action "a common-sense security measure to prevent terrorist attacks." But he wants it altered to address "green card holders and those who've assisted the U.S. armed forces."

And Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), who runs the Senate GOP's political arm, called Trump's moves "overly broad" and said the administration must "fix" it.

"A blanket travel ban goes too far. I also believe that lawful residents of the United States should be permitted to enter the country," Gardner said. Rep. Will Hurd (R-Texas) said Trump is giving terrorists "another tool to gain sympathy and recruit new fighters."

"We need to work with all allies around the world. This visa ban is the ultimate display of mistrust and will erode our allies' willingness to fight with us," Hurd said.

Seeking to quell the growing chorus of opposition from Republicans, Department of Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly said in implementing Trump's order, he will "deem the entry of lawful permanent residents to be in the national interest."

...

But new statements in full support of Trump were in short supply on Sunday. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said in a joint statement that they oppose interpretations of the order that barred green-card holders, interpreters and vetted refugees from entering the United States. They also said that Trump's "executive order may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security." Still, they did not outline concrete steps to overturn Trump's actions via legislation, investigations or congressional hearings.

“We fear this executive order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism," they said. "This executive order sends a signal, intended or not, that America does not want Muslims coming into our country."

Trump responded that they are "weak on immigration" and "always looking to start World War III."

...

That left Republicans walking a fine line between criticizing Trump and avoiding rocking the boat in a presidency that is still less than 10 days old.

“It was not a ban; however, I think it was not properly vetted,” said Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) on CNN's "State of the Union." “So you have an extreme vetting proposal that did not get the vetting it should have had. And as a result in the implementation, we’ve seen some problems.”

Among the problems Portman listed was the case of a Cleveland Clinic doctor who was forced to leave despite having a visa to be in the United States. Asked whether sending her out of the country made the U.S. safer, Portman said: “No, because she’s been properly vetted.”

More: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-refugee-republicans-234326

[lefty]

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This is a Quinnippiac Poll, so it goes without saying that they undersampled Republicans and independents while oversampling Democrats. The fact that they still couldn't make the refugee ban look unpopular says it all.

:lol Faux News polls
:lol polls
:lol asians
:lol today's NBA

[boutons_deux]

‘Astonishing incompetence’: Legal experts utterly shred Trump’s Muslim ban

Officials within the federal government are flocking to media sources to reveal the absolute chaos and confusion besetting many departments (https://lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas) as they attempt to enforce President Trump’s vaguely worded Muslim Immigration Ban.

One of the biggest problems is that many departments don’t even know how to enforce it, with one federal government immigration lawyer describing the document as “look[ing] like what an intern came up with over a lunch hour. . . . My take is that it is so poorly written that it’s hard to tell the impact.”

The root cause of this sloppy work is clear: none of the relevant branches of federal government had any input on its creation.

Officials within the federal government are flocking to media sources to reveal the absolute chaos and confusion besetting many departments (https://lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas) as they attempt to enforce President Trump’s vaguely worded Muslim Immigration Ban.

The plan itself, which has spawned protests attended by thousands in airports all across the country (http://usuncut.com/news/protesters-rally-airports-across-us-welcome-refugees/), bans people with citizenship in 7 Muslim-majority countries for the next 90 days from entering America and permanently ends the U.S. Syrian refugee program.

One of the biggest problems is that many departments don’t even know how to enforce it, with one federal government immigration lawyer describing the document as “look[ing] like what an intern came up with over a lunch hour. . . . My take is that it is so poorly written that it’s hard to tell the impact.”

The root cause of this sloppy work is clear: none of the relevant branches of federal government had any input on its creation.

The document was not seen by (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html) the Justice Department, State Department, Dept. of Defense, or the DHS until after it was finished. The Dept. of Homeland Security didn’t get to make a legal analysis on the order until after it had been implemented.

Even immigration branches such Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services – all of whom now have the lamentable job of enforcing it – only got briefed as the executive order was being signed.

http://usuncut.com/news/astonishing-incompetence-legal-experts-utterly-shred-trumps-muslim-ban/

[angrydude]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3XHTEfUoAAsxtG.jpg:large

[Adam Lambert]

It's simple economics tbh. America already has a surplus of unskilled labor that can't provide for itself which has led to stagnant wages and a diminished middle class. Letting even more unskilled labor in the country will do nothing but make the problem worse.

what about those unskilled phds?

[djohn2oo8]

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[DMC]

what about those unskilled phds?

It's usually the uneducated who think skill = education.

[boutons_deux]

DHS Secretary Clears Green Card Holders for U.S. Entry Under Trump’s Executive Order

Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly announced that American green card holders will be allowed to enter the country despite President Trump‘s executive order which restricts immigration.

On Sunday night, Kelly’s department released a statement saying it was in the national interest to let these individuals in, provided there are no indications of any “serious threat to public safety.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/dhs-secretary-clears-green-card-holders-for-u-s-entry-under-trumps-executive-order/

great "strategy", strategist Bannon, just great. You just got kicked in the balls

[Splits]

lol CN


lol CN been busy today spamming polls that agree with his point of view after months of telling us how stupid polls are

[boutons_deux]

gaslighting assholes

Trump aides call travel ban success despite broad criticism

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-briefing-idUSKBN15E00D?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28Reu ters+Politics+News%29

[DMC]

It's an act of charity BB. :lol

As long as you dont let refugees in like in Germany we should be fine. Plenty of room for people that are in dire need of a place. It's life and death for the vast majority of those refugees.

I would focus on the kids and mothers.
So how many Syrians are you going to allow in your home? Don't be shy.

[Thread]

825888504509038593

Of course, they want(ed) the status quo the same as the other assholes on the other side of the aisle.

[boutons_deux]

and students abroad with student visas?

[Splits]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Yf_14VcAAWuc2.jpg:large

[Thread]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Yf_14VcAAWuc2.jpg:large

If they caught us they were going to cut our heads off either way.

[Splits]

Oh shit seems like he wont double down but triple down :lol

Apparently he will sign an executive order to get all social media info AND cell phone contacts from all foreigners visiting US :lmao

Angela Merkel will have to give up her phone upon entry :lmao :lol

Or.... walk it all back


?https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-1/p50x50/16174753_10158517450380725_87513729581056003_n.jpg ?oh=9fbeaf70c4788335d3e7d24c0d953cb7&oe=590E5DAA (https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/?ref=nf) Donald J. Trump (https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/?fref=nf)

Statement Regarding Recent Executive Order Concerning Extreme Vetting“America is a proud nation of immigrants and we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but we will do so while protecting our own citizens and border. America has always been the land of the free and home of the brave.

We will keep it free and keep it safe, as the media knows, but refuses to say. My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror. To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting.

This is not about religion - this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days.

I have tremendous feeling for the people involved in this horrific humanitarian crisis in Syria. My first priority will always be to protect and serve our country, but as President I will find ways to help all those who are suffering.”

[Splits]

If they caught us they were going to cut our heads off either way.

Where were they going to "catch" us?

[Thread]

Where were they going to "catch" us?

I don't know, but, I don't want to get caught short like that Pearl guy.

[Splits]

I don't know, but, I don't want to get caught short like that Pearl guy.

Then don't travel to Syria.

Are you skeered since your Uncle Joe got booted from office?

lol you are. running as fast as you can

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lyZmYxKHfno/TuJtwXFOrhI/AAAAAAAAYA4/hsP0ZeZqU4k/s1600/WTFRace.gif

[Thread]

Then don't travel to Syria.

Are you skeered since your Uncle Joe got booted from office?

lol you are. running as fast as you can

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lyZmYxKHfno/TuJtwXFOrhI/AAAAAAAAYA4/hsP0ZeZqU4k/s1600/WTFRace.gif

He took Hillary down here as he went. They waited all nite for AZ to fall because Soros had come here to get Joe and the Trump in the bargain. "The hispanics will go in there and vote for Penzone Vs. Joe. Whilst they're in there they'll just as soon vote for Hillary than Trump and we'll pick up the 11 Electoral Votes in the bargain."

They waited till dawn on the 9th to call it. They had no other choice.

[Splits]

They waited till dawn on the 9th to call it.

And that's when you decided to show up in these dregs.

Post-9
Post-Pau

Fuckin' chickenshit.

[Thread]

And that's when you decided to show up in these dregs.

Post-9
Post-Pau

Fuckin' chickenshit.

lmcontrollinao!!!

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

500,000 people over a decade, are you freakin kidding. Fuck Obama. The stats coming out just shows you how we need to block these people coming from these countries. The video below is from the fake news network. This video is mild compare to what they do to gays, Christians, Orthodox, women, etc. Go watch the videos of these people cheering and burning American flags as are spies and POW are publicly executed. Watch these men chop of the heads of little girls in front of the fathers. These people are animals. I don't want these people in my country. Stay in your own country and fight for your freedoms. I don't despise Arabs, but I will never trust them. My wife is from Ukraine and she said people there have the very same sediment about Turks and Arab. But you fuckin idiots want to let these potential fuckers into our country so they can rape and pillage. Trump just was vetting measures in place and he is a racist. At least he isn't a murderer. There are good people all around the world, but they need to stay in their country and take care of their own problems. America has enough problems of its own.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr7d1sTDNts

[UNT Eagles 2016]

It doesn't. Marriage makes the couple the sponsor. It does, however, removes some limitations when a sponsor is a non-spouse. A person that married a US Citizen, still has to go through the usual process of obtaining a green card, including demonstrating it's not a sham marriage, biometrics, form fees, background check, etc, and still has to wait 3-5 years to file for citizenship.

The point, however, is that statistically the vast majority of H1B holders are not sponsored for a green card at the end of their stay.
But the married immigrant gets their green card in 3-6 months vs. 3-6 years if they file I-485 without a sponsor.

[Pelicans78]

I don't know, but, I don't want to get caught short like that Pearl guy.

You mean in Pakistan?

[Thread]

You mean in Pakistan?

I'm confident as he was skinnin' & grinnin' one moment and then the next he was being separated from his gourd he didn't give a hardy shit.

[boutons_deux]

500,000 people over a decade, are you freakin kidding. Fuck Obama. The stats coming out just shows you how we need to block these people coming from these countries.

If only Muslim countries could block Imperial America from coming into, occupying their countries to steal their oil.

500K? LOL Muslims need to up their game to even get in the same league as USA.

Did you know Christian Taliban HATE LGBTQ, how they "interpret/pervert" the "holy" Bible to justify their hate?

[Winehole23]

Ben Wittes, who has supported indefinite detention, enhanced interrogation and every other post 9/11 security measure -- and is an enthusiastic fan of domestic surveillance -- calls the Trump's immigration freeze "incompetent and malevolent" --

https://www.lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas

[Adam Lambert]

It's usually the uneducated who think skill = education.

actually it's usually the idiots who downplay education. sorry bout your ged boss.

lol equating doctors and scientists to fast food cooks.

[DMC]

actually it's usually the idiots who downplay education. sorry bout your ged boss.

lol equating doctors and scientists to fast food cooks.

:lol you thinking degree = skill
:lol Ph.D. infatuation
:lol never actually worked in any real profession

[DMC]

500,000 people over a decade, are you freakin kidding. Fuck Obama. The stats coming out just shows you how we need to block these people coming from these countries. The video below is from the fake news network. This video is mild compare to what they do to gays, Christians, Orthodox, women, etc. Go watch the videos of these people cheering and burning American flags as are spies and POW are publicly executed. Watch these men chop of the heads of little girls in front of the fathers. These people are animals. I don't want these people in my country. Stay in your own country and fight for your freedoms. I don't despise Arabs, but I will never trust them. My wife is from Ukraine and she said people there have the very same sediment about Turks and Arab. But you fuckin idiots want to let these potential fuckers into our country so they can rape and pillage. Trump just was vetting measures in place and he is a racist. At least he isn't a murderer. There are good people all around the world, but they need to stay in their country and take care of their own problems. America has enough problems of its own.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr7d1sTDNts

Throughout human history this has never happened. Though I agree with the ban, you cannot fault those who want to get the hell away from there. Our ancestors didn't stay in their countries and take care of their own problems. They loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly. Humans have always migrated hostile areas for safety, food and shelter. It's human nature to want to protect your children and have a future. Problem is that their religion dictates death for the rest of us, even though they try to denominate into more people friendly outward appearances. Any religion is only as good as its fundamental tenets. As long as those are still being taught (same with Christianity), they are counter to a peaceful, tolerant society.

[Mark Celibate]

actually it's usually the idiots who downplay education. sorry bout your ged boss.

lol equating doctors and scientists to fast food cooks.

Right because that PhD in Gender Studies is very valuable to employers.

[Adam Lambert]

:lol you thinking degree = skill
:lol Ph.D. infatuation
:lol never actually worked in any real profession

lol dem college educated libruls
lol science mumbo jumbo
lol six figure salaries
lol progress
lol not living on a subsidized farm
lol marrying outside your immediate family

[Adam Lambert]

Right because that PhD in Gender Studies is very valuable to employers.

you think the phds were bringing over from other countries majored in gender studies? funny how thats the go to phd example for conservatives, maybe if you actually went to college youd know of other examples.

[Winehole23]

in no way is the ham-fisted drafting and implementation of the freeze mitigated by the fact that Obama laid the groundwork for it:

https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

[DMC]

lol dem college educated libruls
lol science mumbo jumbo
lol six figure salaries
lol progress
lol not living on a subsidized farm
lol marrying outside your immediate family
:lol thinking in black and white
:lol never actually worked with a Ph.D.
:lol subsidized by mom and dad
:lol stayed at the university of parental welfare longer = skilled

[DMC]

you think the phds were bringing over from other countries majored in gender studies? funny how thats the go to phd example for conservatives, maybe if you actually went to college youd know of other examples.

:lol thinks Ph.D. can only be seen in college
:lol ignores the actual workforce portion of life
:lol everything is theoretical until proven otherwise
:lol berating the school culture out of new Ph.D. interns
:lol the look on their faces when they realize they aren't special
:lol no one gives a shit about that Ph.D. in your email sig
:lol your boss graduated from a community college and got his masters online
:lol you still paying for your education 20 years later
:lol ITT grads making more than you

[Mark Celibate]

you think the phds were bringing over from other countries majored in gender studies? funny how thats the go to phd example for conservatives, maybe if you actually went to college youd know of other examples.

You know what? I think I've been had actually. Your argumentative skills are simply too much for me to handle at this point in time. It turns out that the only worthless PhD degree I can name is "gender studies". As far as I know, all other PhDs out there automatically get you a job just because. I've been exposed. I simply cannot name another one. At this time, I bow out of the conversation due to that last zing you put upon me and am also contemplating quitting the internet.

Later today, I will be attempting to tie my own shoe but I may need your guidance for that as well.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Looks like one of the board liberals will be quietly retiring their Adam Lambert troll after this beatdown.

[Adam Lambert]

:lol thinking in black and white
:lol never actually worked with a Ph.D.
:lol subsidized by mom and dad
:lol stayed at the university of parental welfare longer = skilled


:lol thinks Ph.D. can only be seen in college
:lol ignores the actual workforce portion of life
:lol everything is theoretical until proven otherwise
:lol berating the school culture out of new Ph.D. interns
:lol the look on their faces when they realize they aren't special
:lol no one gives a shit about that Ph.D. in your email sig
:lol your boss graduated from a community college and got his masters online
:lol you still paying for your education 20 years later
:lol ITT grads making more than you

i mean damn the level of butthurt you have towards the very mention of phd, I have to wonder if you lost a job to one?

or a boyfriend?

anyway keep up the effort, exorcise those demons

[Adam Lambert]

:lol Looks like one of the board liberals will be quietly retiring their Adam Lambert troll after this beatdown.

yes im positively shaken by this. i was not prepared to withstand so many emojis, and now that his hype boy is joining in the fun, what ever shall i do.

[Spurminator]

826066647928754176

Lap it up. Sweet, sweet nourishing fear.

[boutons_deux]

Finding Dory, a movie about travellers, is Trump's first White House screening

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/c44d8a2d884b3d41dca4c7cb8e30975ddbe5fe1a/0_0_4500_2700/master/4500.jpg?w=1920&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&


The Pixar animation screened at the White House on Sunday is

a tale of environmental alarm and family reunion across continents

https://twitter.com/AlbertBrooks/status/825817804255404032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/ChrisLu44/status/825752136977891328/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Chris Lu (https://twitter.com/ChrisLu44)
(https://twitter.com/ChrisLu44)✔@ChrisLu44 (https://twitter.com/ChrisLu44)

Trump is screening "Finding Dory" today: the story of a foreigner entering the U.S. without authorization to reunite with her parents #Irony (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Irony?src=hash)
11:07 AM - 29 Jan 2017 (https://twitter.com/ChrisLu44/status/825752136977891328)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/30/amid-travel-ban-protests-finding-dory-is-trumps-first-white-house-movie-screening?CMP=fb_gu

Trash is a sicko asshole, the butt of jokes, planet-wide.

[DMC]

i mean damn the level of butthurt you have towards the very mention of phd, I have to wonder if you lost a job to one?

or a boyfriend?

anyway keep up the effort, exorcise those demons

:lmao unemployable after spending 100K+ and all of your adult life in a social "feel good" club.
:lmao realizing you will have to accept work outside of your dissertation
:lmao life in R&D
:lmao working for the government
:lmao GS levels
:lmao "Humanities"

[DMC]

yes im positively shaken by this. i was not prepared to withstand so many emojis, and now that his hype boy is joining in the fun, what ever shall i do.

Get a brontosaurus burger?