***** The Official 2017 Avante Football Thread *****

[Will Hunting]

Just so UNT can't do it :lol

[Avante]

If the guy hadn't ran his mouth like he did, I was going to tell him to shine it, and praise him for having the balls that nobody else here had. But when he started getting punkish about it, fuck him.

I was 100% positive somebody would do what you did.

[Avante]

So who was it that beat Tom Brady at home in 2016? And also beat Matt Ryan?

Yep, Russell Wilson who is a Marshawn Lynch two yard run from being 3-0 vs the GOAT.

~~~~~

As we saw the GRONK really isn't all that important. What was their record without him?

When was the last time we saw three (since 1960) stud white receivers on a team? Those Lombardi Packer teams had the dependable Carroll Dale, the speedster (college hurdler) Boyd Dowler, and Max McGee. Never had an x-QB, a lacrosse player turn footballer and an Amendola.

Packers also had two HOF to be white backs in Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung.


~~~~~~~~

Nice to see those HBCU schools get some love.

Let me add...Histories first legal sub 10.00 100m......Jimmy Hines Texas Southern

Histories first sub indoor sub 6.0 60.....Bullet Bob Hayes Florida A&M

Hines did try pro football, sucked. Hayes was a footballler first, was a running back in college.

I won't go off into just how big an impact those schools have made on track, trust me it's huge.

All Time HBCU

QB...Steve McNair Alcorn
RB...Walter Payton Jackson St
RB....Leroy Kelly Morgan St
WR...Jerry Rice MVS
WR....Bob Hayes FAMU****
TE...Shannon Sharpe Savannah St

All but McNair in the HOF.

**** Could have HOFers Charlie Joiner/John Stallworth there, but Hayes was the ultimate "speed receiver" among the HBCU.

[chunticakes]

Just so UNT can't do it :lol

Doin the Lord's work :toast

[Avante]

Right now these teams have the best QB in their franchise history.

Saints...Drew Brees
Panthers...Cam Newton
Falcons...Matt Ryan
Giants...Eli Manning
Seahawks...Russell Wilson
Packers...Aaron Rodgers
Lions...Matthew Stafford
Chargers...Phillip Rivers
Steelers....Big Ben
Pats...Tom Brady
Ravens...Joe Flacco

[Ghazi]

What an old miserable faggot :lol .... bragging about Russel Wilsons irrelevant regular season wins against Brady and Ryan

You sir, are a cocksucking faggot.

[Avante]

What an old miserable faggot :lol .... bragging about Russel Wilsons irrelevant regular season wins against Brady and Ryan

You sir, are a cocksucking faggot.

Aren't you the little shit who had a power rankings thread for THE REGULAR SEASON? Aren't you the little shit talking up the Vikings because of REGULAR SEASON exploits?

Fuck you ya little bitch.

Wilson beat the SB MVP QB and the NFL MVP QB in the same season, who else can say that?

[Silver&Black]

I'll make you a deal UNT. If you stop posting forever...I'll take you off ignore.

[Avante]

I own the three Tecmo games.

So Sunday morning I go out to my Fortress of Solitude to play a game. As ya know ya play a schedule, well I;ll be damn, are you kidding me? Patriots vs Falcons......what are the odds of that happening?

Well the Falcons are kicking my ass (I'm the Pats), I'm down 21-0, would ya believe I came back to win in OT 34-28?

Obvious bullshit, but what if..............

[HarlemHeat37]

Aren't you the little shit who had a power rankings thread for THE REGULAR SEASON? Aren't you the little shit talking up the Vikings because of REGULAR SEASON exploits?

Fuck you ya little bitch.

Wilson beat the SB MVP QB and the NFL MVP QB in the same season, who else can say that?

:wow Ghaz :wow

[AlexJones]

:wow Ghaz :wow

Did you bet Patriots live, tbh? It nearly covered like 50% of my losses in NFL this year :lmao

[Avante]

Just think the Pats won without GRONK and no speed receiver. They get a stud pass rusher and a burner on the outside..........ouch~~~....for the NFL.

I have this little theory about why Belichick likes white receivers, they aren't selfish and all..LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. Talking now. Yes I know..Moss.

[Will Hunting]

Just think the Pats won without GRONK and no speed receiver. They get a stud pass rusher and a burner on the outside..........ouch~~~....for the NFL.

I have this little theory about why Belichick likes white receivers, they aren't selfish and all..LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. Talking now. Yes I know..Moss.

Imagine them with a healthy Gronk + Michael Floyd with a full off-season to learn the offense and build chemistry with Brady. It'd be the most complete group of receivers Brady has ever had. We also never saw the combo of Gronk + Bennett at full strength this year.

Their defense imo still has a hole to fill at linebacker to replace Jamie Collins. They were getting shredded by stretch plays that Jamie Collins would have eaten alive but none of their current linebackers are quick enough to get to the edge.

Their offensive line is also massively overrated and only played well in the 4th quarter because of how tired Atlanta's defense was.

[HarlemHeat37]

Just think the Pats won without GRONK and no speed receiver. They get a stud pass rusher and a burner on the outside..........ouch~~~....for the NFL.

I have this little theory about why Belichick likes white receivers, they aren't selfish and all..LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. Talking now. Yes I know..Moss.

Belichick loves white receivers because it makes him look like even more of a genius IMO:lol

Their most reliable receivers in the SB were probably White(RB, but still) and Mitchell, though IMO..Edelman was shaky for a large portion of the game(still a good WR, though)..

[HarlemHeat37]

And ya, I agree that New England's defense isn't very good..they had the #1 opposing PPG ranking, but advanced metrics had them somewhere in the 16-20th range, which is more accurate..I would probably focus more on defense, if I was Belichick..

The rumors of trading Gronk are crazy, though IMO..

[Avante]

Belichick loves white receivers because it makes him look like even more of a genius IMO:lol

I do doubt the guy ever thinks of any of that stuff.

With a few exceptions like Alworth, Don Maynard, Roger Carr, Sonny Randle most white guys simply don't have that seperating type down field speed. What they do have have is great quicks and burst in a short distance and are smart and not all wrapped up in ME ME ME. With a great passer like Brady that works.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't think he actually thinks about it either, but I wouldn't be surprised:lol

I don't completely buy the other narrative, though..Belichick has never cared about off-field issues, IIRC..as long as you can play, he doesn't seem to care about personality..Hernandez, Moss, just signed Floyd after a bad DUI..didn't Corey Dilllon have some locker room problems prior to joining them, too? They signed Tebow, despite the circus and distraction that accompanies him..

I've always appreciated that about Belichick, he doesn't pretend like football is a church full of good values:lol unlike many, he doesn't seem to be oblivious to the fact that this is a sport where players are having their lives shortened..

[Avante]

And ya, I agree that New England's defense isn't very good..they had the #1 opposing PPG ranking, but advanced metrics had them somewhere in the 16-20th range, which is more accurate..I would probably focus more on defense, if I was Belichick..

The rumors of trading Gronk are crazy, though IMO..

They do need a 4.3 type receiver to back off defenders. I doubt they have a sub 4.5 guy right now.

BUT....yep, defense comes first, yep, just middle of the pack right now.

[Avante]

I don't think he actually thinks about it either, but I wouldn't be surprised:lol

I don't completely buy the other narrative, though..Belichick has never cared about off-field issues, IIRC..as long as you can play, he doesn't seem to care about personality..

There is noway Belichick is putting up with anyone all wrapped up in...LOOK AT ME. Ever notice we never see any Pats acting like deranged monkies out there.

[HarlemHeat37]

There is noway Belichick is putting up with anyone all wrapped up in...LOOK AT ME. Ever notice we never see any Pats acting like deranged monkies out there.

I think that's because of their culture, though..whenever the Patriots sign a player with a bad reputation, you never hear about that player causing problems in the locker room IIRC..

Everybody that signs there knows the deal, immediately..look at Legarratte Blount, he was viewed as a problem in Pittsburgh, yet he goes to New England and man is in love with Brady and Belichick:lol

[Avante]

I think that's because of their culture, though..whenever the Patriots sign a player with a bad reputation, you never hear about that player causing problems in the locker room IIRC..

Everybody that signs there knows the deal, immediately..

Yep, and who let's it be known they will be no bullshit behavior on his team? The team leaders know the deal and like ya said...........the culture.

Beckham would have already had some big lineman ....look punk, cool your shit or I'm kicking your little ass.

[Avante]

Chris McCaffrey has New England Patriot written all over him. Anyone remember Craig James?

Hmmmmm?

Brady
GRONK
McCaffrey
Amondola
Edelman
X lacrosse player

...all on the field together. 11 white guys on an NFL offense? If just for a few plays, what a sight.


And so with that in mind, McShay projects Stanford RB Christian McCaffrey to the Patriots at 32nd overall.



“Bill Belichick and Tom Brady would have fun figuring out creative ways to utilize McCaffrey's versatile skill set,” McShay writes. “He's a true threat in both the run and pass game, finishing his college career with nearly 4,000 rushing yards and 1,206 receiving yards. He has a rare combination of vision, lateral agility and acceleration, which shows up in the return game, too.”
Over the past two seasons, McCaffrey has averaged 26.9 touches for 183.1 yards and 1.2 touchdowns every game. He has picked up 4,577 yards from scrimmage and 29 touchdowns over 25 games. He has also served as an exception kick and punt returner.
The 6’0, 200 pound McCaffrey could be a Matt Forte-type addition to the Patriots ofense, but would be the definition of a luxury addition. The team has James White and Dion Lewis under contract, along with D.J. Foster. Blount and Brandon Bolden would be cheap additions, too.


The Patriots would be better off addressing running back, which is an especially deep position in this draft class, in a later round and should look at added another body to the trenches.

[Will Hunting]

They do need a 4.3 type receiver to back off defenders. I doubt they have a sub 4.5 guy right now.

BUT....yep, defense comes first, yep, just middle of the pack right now.
I think their bigger need at receiver is someone who can deal with physical corners (which they'll have with Floyd)....the reason they got shut down in the first half is because Edelman/Hogan/Amendola were getting manhandled and couldn't run their routes. Outside of Moss Brady has never done well with deep threat receivers.

[Avante]

I think their bigger need at receiver is someone who can deal with physical corners (which they'll have with Floyd)....the reason they got shut down in the first half is because Edelman/Hogan/Amendola were getting manhandled and couldn't run their routes. Outside of Moss Brady has never done well with deep threat receivers.

But with Moss in 2007...23td. With Brady having his best season ever. I am talking about something similiar with a guy who can motor. What other real burner did he ever have?

The sudden quicks that those white cats (Welker) possess appears to work with a guy like Brady. Not sure he'd want to change things. With that speed cat just another weapon for DC's to defend.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT5b4lWAf6M

I know, I know, there is no other Randy Moss.

[Avante]

Barring injuries.

*** WC

2017

Pats
Dolphins
Bills
Jets

Ravens
Steelers***
Bengals
Browns

Raiders
Chiefs***
Chargers
Broncos

Colts
Titans
Texans
Jags

Cowboys
Giants***
Eagles
Redskins

Seahawks
Cards
Niners
Rams

Packers
Vikings
Lions
Bears

Buc's
Falcons***
Panthers
Saints

While here.

A guy on another site, talking about Packer speedster Jeff Janis becoming a Patriot. Yep, another white receiver.

[Avante]

UNT, you are released from the bet. I had a few days of fun with it, which should be all it was about. Only some freak like this benefactor weirdo gets all wrapped up in this silliness.

[Avante]

John Ross a 4.22, that is the fastest time ever ran at the combine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLv_GHnyLPU

He had high school PRs of 10.66 seconds in the 100m and 21.56 in the 200m.

Classic example of a guy with a great burst and accelleration. But.....like most footballers he lacks the needed SE to cook a great 100m. World class sprinters are able to maintain/sustain a large % of their max velocity, something footballers can't do. Yep, the training involved.

[monosylab1k]

I think their bigger need at receiver is someone who can deal with physical corners (which they'll have with Floyd)....the reason they got shut down in the first half is because Edelman/Hogan/Amendola were getting manhandled and couldn't run their routes. Outside of Moss Brady has never done well with deep threat receivers.

Well they're apparently going after Brandin Cooks, who is short and can't beat physical coverage :lol at least he's got some breakaway speed tbh

[Will Hunting]

Well they're apparently going after Brandin Cooks, who is short and can't beat physical coverage :lol at least he's got some breakaway speed tbh

I read the Saints rejected that trade which is a good thing imo.

I'm praying they make something work with Brandon Marshall. That's the perfect scenario imo.

[Avante]

Every team needs a burner who can back off safeties. A guy the D knows can score from 90 out.

Edelman/Amendola more quick than fast and Hogan isn't all that speedy.

[spurraider21]

Every team needs a burner who can back off safeties. A guy the D knows can score from 90 out.

Edelman/Amendola more quick than fast and Hogan isn't all that speedy.the patriots just won a superbowl without one

lol "every team needs"

[Will Hunting]

Every team needs a burner who can back off safeties. A guy the D knows can score from 90 out.

Edelman/Amendola more quick than fast and Hogan isn't all that speedy.
The pats have won 2 of the last 3 superbowls without one.

[Avante]

The pats have won 2 of the last 3 superbowls without one.

Brady threw 50td's the first season with Moss, has never had even 40 after Moss.

And, as ya know the Seahawks hand off to Lynch, the Pats lose. And 25 down to the Falcons. You really don't think Moss would have made a difference?

I was a cornerback (both ways in HS). Totally different deal facing a guy you know can really run. I faced Clim Jackson (world class hurdler to be at UCLA) when he was at Delano, he burned me twice on straight line jets.

Everybody knew nobody could run with Bob Hayes, so you had to use a safety to pick him up once he blew by the cornerback. That is one less player defending the run.

[spurraider21]

Brady threw 50td's the first season with Moss, has never had even 40 after Moss.

And, as ya know the Seahawks hand off to Lynch, the Pats lose. And 25 down to the Falcons. You really don't think Moss would have made a difference?

I was a cornerback (both ways in HS). Totally different deal facing a guy you know can really run. I faced Clim Jackson (world class hurdler to be at UCLA) when he was at Delano, he burned me twice on straight line jets.

Everybody knew nobody could run with Bob Hayes, so you had to use a safety to pick him up once he blew by the cornerback. That is one less player defending the run.brady didnt win with moss and he won 3 before him

[Will Hunting]

Brady threw 50td's the first season with Moss, has never had even 40 after Moss.

And, as ya know the Seahawks hand off to Lynch, the Pats lose. And 25 down to the Falcons. You really don't think Moss would have made a difference?

I was a cornerback (both ways in HS). Totally different deal facing a guy you know can really run. I faced Clim Jackson (world class hurdler to be at UCLA) when he was at Delano, he burned me twice on straight line jets.

Everybody knew nobody could run with Bob Hayes, so you had to use a safety to pick him up once he blew by the cornerback. That is one less player defending the run.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda

The Pats have still won 2 of the last 3 superbowls without a deep threat receiver.

[Avante]

Shoulda, woulda, coulda

The Pats have still won 2 of the last 3 superbowls without a deep threat receiver.

I don't play that, I go with how things really are. A guy trips at the start of a 100m and loses to a teammate he's beat a 100 times, did he lose, yes....but. The USA has a 10m advantage in the 4x1 relay, a pulled hammy....we lose. Starting QB gets knocked out of the game in the lst quarter, they lose by 1 point......see how it works?

I like context..ok? Brady had his best season when he had a speed receiver, that is a fact. Speed receivers scare defenses, that is a fact. Why wasn't Jerry Rice drafted higher, yep....slow 40?

A 40 time means $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for receivers, why?

[Avante]

The Browns and Tyrod Taylor, hmmmm?

[Avante]

World class speed at the wide receiver position.

Not talking the Joey Galoways or Mike Wallace or the Ted Ginns who never really did anything on the world track stage. There guys were all great sprinters who did do things on the world stage.

Bob Hayes, but wasn't a wide receiver until he got to Dallas, was a RB at FAMU. HOFer.
Cliff Branch, ran a 9.2 numerous times while at Colorado.
Sam Graddy, won the Olympic silver medal in the 100m in 1984.10.09PR.
Ron Brown took 4th in that above mention race. 10.06 cat.
Willie Gault 10.10 while at Tennessee.
James Jett WV, a 4x1 Olympic gold (ran the heats) 10.16.
Jacoby Ford a 10.01 while ar Clemson.

Would you believe the only one there who was never a Raider is Hayes?

Both Larry Burton and Gerald Tinker ran 9.3 and were Olympians, and while legit footballers, they didn't do much at the NFL level. Neither a Raider, ha~~~

These guys were all Olympic sprinters who were more experiments that didn't work.

Frank Budd Villanova
Ray Norton SJS
Tommie Smith SJS
Jimmy Hines TSU

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Malcolm Mitchell is their "burner". Granted he's not in the game in most of their heavy packages but that's to be expected.

[Avante]

Malcolm Mitchell is their "burner". Granted he's not in the game in most of their heavy packages but that's to be expected.

Mitchell is a 4.45 guy, that scares nobody.

[Avante]

Tony Romo a Bronco???

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Tony Romo a Bronco???

I traded him there right before starting my Madden franchise, seems wise now

[Avante]

I traded him there right before starting my Madden franchise, seems wise now


So this guy plays Madden football, he starts to notice the out come of his league is the exact same results in the real NFL.....hmmmm?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

So this guy plays Madden football, he starts to notice the out come of his league is the exact same results in the real NFL.....hmmmm?

I'm the Eagles and i'm currently 1-10, I simmed the first season (6-10 for me, Pats won the SB just like in real life) and traded away a bunch of guys for draft picks and a few players, and have a bunch of rookies starting particularly on defense and the receiving corps. Jason Peters and Alan Barbre retired so my OL is Lane Johnson and a bunch of scrubs, too. Wentz missed some time to injury.

Don't worry, it'll get better though.

[BatManu20]

Tony Romo will be released tomorrow. Damn, couldn't even get a single draft pick for him? Smh.

[Avante]

Tony Romo will be released tomorrow. Damn, couldn't even get a single traffic for him? Smh.

Broncos or Texans? At least he'll be in the AFC.

[BatManu20]

Broncos or Texans? At least he'll be in the AFC.

My guess is Denver but either is a great spot. A QB away from being legit SB contenders.

[Avante]

My guess is Denver but either is a great spot. A QB away from being legit SB contenders.

I just can't see him lasting until playoff time. If I'm him I'm calling it a career.

[Avante]

When talking the classic.....

Possesion receiver....great route runner, great hands.
Speed receiver...usually a HS/college track guy.
TE...too big for cornerbacks, too fast for backers

...hard to beat the Raiders and.

Fred Biletnikoff
Cliff Branch
Dave Casper

Biletnikoff and Casper in the HOF, Branch should be.

[Avante]

The first real speed receiver?

A case can be mafe for Don Hutson who could run a 9.8 at a time before black cornerbacks.Then there was the 1952 NCAA 100 champ Bob Boyd out of Loyola, who as a Ram had over 1000 yards way back then. I go with him as the first really fast receiver. Obviously Bob Hayes is still the classic speed receiver just not the first.

[Avante]

So the Raiders draft John Ross the fastest receiver in the draft. They have had...

Cliff Branch
Alvis Whitted
James Jett
Jacoby Ford
Willie Gault
Sm Graddy

...at WR, all faster than Ross.

[Avante]

Getting back to this black QB thing.

Current Heisman winner
Will be the first QB maybe two taken in the draft
America's team....black QB
NCAA Championship game....two black QB's
How many black QB's have won the NFC in the last five seasons?
Russell Wilson holds how many....first five seasons....records and firsts?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Getting back to this black QB thing.

Current Heisman winner
Will be the first QB maybe two taken in the draft
America's team....black QB
NCAA Championship game....two black QB's
How many black QB's have won the NFC in the last five seasons?
Russell Wilson holds how many....first five seasons....records and firsts?

2 ½

Krapernick is a halfsie, no matter what he says.

[Avante]

Olympic sprinter Marvin Bracey who did the below at the HS level...

....is going to give the NFL a shot. He started by running a 4.30 at FSU (his school) pro day. He is faster than Tyreek Hill. Some team will think about Hill and what great speed can do and give Bracey a shot.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE8XVNJhzbc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up9eCw7wZKo

A 10.05 would have won every Olympics until 1980.

USA 2016 100m rankings


2016

1.................... Justin Gatlin
2..............Trayvon Bromell
3................... Marvin Bracy
4.................. Mike Rodgers
5........................Tyson Gay
6....................Ameer Webb
7.......... Christian Coleman
8............... Jarrion Lawson
9.............. Dentarius Locke
10....................Isiah Young

[Avante]

I won't count Olympic 100m champ Jim Hines and his WR 9.95, he was no footballer, he was an experiment that failed. Jeff Demps never played in a reg season game, so can't count his 10.01.

If Bracey does make it, then the All Time NFL 100m would look like this.

lane

1.Darrel Green 10.08
2.Alvis Whitted 10.07
3.Trindon Holliday 10.00
4.Bob Hayes 10.06
5.Jacoby Ford 10.01
6.Sam Graddy 10.09
7.Marvin Bracey.........9.94, yep, he'd be the fastest NFLer ever time wise.
8.Ron Brown 10.06

Whitted, Ford, Graddy and Brown all Raiders sometime in their career.

Willie McGee's 9.1 for yards can't be ignored, it was a WR.

[Avante]

A stud white RB, hmmmmmmm?

Best white RB for each team if they had one.

Those Lombardi Packers teams had two HOF to be white backs in Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung.
The Bears once had the great Bronko Nagurski and Red Grange The Galloping Ghost.
In SBIII the Colts had slow pokes Tom Matte and Jerry Hill.

Heisman winner Billy Cannon (LSU) the fastest white running back in football. A legit 9.5 sprinter.


Niners...Hugh "King" McElhenny HOF
Seahawks...Dan Doornik
Rams...."Jaguar" Jon Arnett
Cards...John David Crow
Packers..Jim Taylor HOF
Bears..."The Galloping Ghost" HOF
Vikes...Bill Brown
Lions...Doak Walker
Buc's...Mile Alstott
Panthers...Chris McCaffrey
Saints...Gil Fenerty
Falcons....?
Redskins....John Riggins HOF
Cowboys....Walt Garrison
Eagles...Tom Woodeshick
Giants....Frank Gifford HOF
Raiders...Mark Van Eeghan
Chargers...Dickie Post
Chiefs...Ed Podolak
Broncos...Rob Lytle
Texans...?
Colts...Alan "Horse" Ameche
Jags...?
Oilers/Titans...Charley Tolar
Bengals...?
Steelers...Rocky Bliear
Browns...Peyton Hillis
Ravens...?
Jets...John Riggins (yep)
Dolphins....Larry Csonka HOF
Pats...Craig James
Bills...Wray Carlton

Honorable mention

Rick Casares Bears
Keith Lincoln Chargers
Marv Hubbard Raiders
Paul Hornung Packers HOF
Bronko Nagurski Bears HOF
Tommy Mason Vikes
Ken Willard Niners

All season long you will hear about how McCaffreys grandfather was once the fastest man in the world. Trust me, that was never true.


Dave Sime in lane 1.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpusAWku-mw

He was the second fastest man in the world. And, he never held the WR at 100m, yes he did hold the 9.3 WR for yards.

Is that Lyle Lovett as the starter?

[Avante]

Of the first 4 QB's drafted how many of them were black?

Like I said, times are changing.

Hell, Texas, Cowboys, Texas A&M, Texans, could all have black QB's, haha~~~

[Avante]

Russell Wison

NFL records/firsts

4000/30/500
most wins by a five year QB
highest QB rating frst two seasons
rookie TD record
most SB's by a third year QB

Pro Bowl MVP
left the NCAA as the single season passing leader
17 best player in the league in 2016, voted on by his peers

Need I go on and on and on?

Compare his first five seasons to Tom Brady, what do we see?

Only an idiot wouldn't get this.

Yes, I;d take Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Big Ben over Russell Wilson. But that is it as far as current QB's goes.

Niners...suck.
Rams...suck.
Cards...old
Vikes...haha~~~
Bears..suck.
Lions...Staffford is good.
Cowboys...Prescott is looking great, but...
Redskins....???
Eagles...nay~~~
Giants....good but too limited.
Falcons....great but has nothing on RW
Panthers...he's already on the decline
Buc;s...has done nothing better than RW
Raiders...see above.
Chiefs...good.
Broncos...????
Ravens...just compare their stats.
Browns...suck
Bengals...suck
Jets...suck
Bills...suck
Dolphins...suck
Texans...???
Jags...suck
Colts..Luck is good.
Titans...good.

[Avante]

Attention TV people.

You grade a draft 5 years after that draft, ok?

[spurraider21]

:lmao johnny manziel has "it" :lmao

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Pertinent to the Panthers.

When's the last Black QB1/White RB1 combo in the NFL, Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33483) ? Since you're full of trivia.

[Avante]

:lmao johnny manziel has "it" :lmao

You don't win a Heisman without...."it".

[Avante]

Pertinent to the Panthers.

When's the last Black QB1/White RB1 combo in the NFL, Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33483) ? Since you're full of trivia.

I get this feeling you really don't know.

[Avante]

NCAA 60m champion Christian Coleman (Tennessee) just ran a football 40 in 4.12. He is the fastest cat in the NCAA in 2017.

Story goes that Darrel Green once ran a 4.09. This was done at the Redskins facility, so...???


http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/christian-coleman-40-yard-dash-412-video-nfl-draft-050117

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I get this feeling you really don't know.

I don't. Do you?

[Avante]

I don't. Do you?

So why mention the Panthers?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

So why mention the Panthers?

Because usually you see white qb/black bell cow, not the other way around. Not very many white rb's around these days and they're all the scat back / third down type like Woodhead, but not McCaffrey, he's a true RB1 and you don't draft anything other than that in the top 10.

[Avante]

Because usually you see white qb/black bell cow, not the other way around. Not very many white rb's around these days and they're all the scat back / third down type like Woodhead, but not McCaffrey, he's a true RB1 and you don't draft anything other than that in the top 10.

Hugh "The King" McElhenny (Niners) was a Cali State hurdles champion in HS. He had black speed and agility, a fantastic runner. He was the best pure runner among white RB's.

"Jaguar" Jon Arnett out of USC was an amzing runner, he had speed, quicks and that elusveness. Played with the Rams.

Houston's Dickie Post (Chargers) lead the AFL in rushing. He was super quick and had that burst.

We can't count Red Grange The Galloping Ghost because he never faced any black athletes.

Craig James SMU could motor.
Billy Cannon LSU had a good season with the Oilers. A Heisman winner.

Mike Alstott, Larry Csonka, Jim Taylor and John Riggins were power backs.

Paul Hornung and Frank Gifford multi talented cats.

John David Crow was a 1000 yarder with the Cards.

McElhenny, Grange, Csonka, Taylor and Riggins, all in te HOF.

McCaffrey the closest thing to McElhenny we've seen. He's not as elusive but a better receiver.

I;m thinking the Browns Peyton Hillis the last white RB to have a 1000 yard season.

Can;t ignore....

Mark Van Eeghan and Marv Hubbard Raiders
Keith Lincoln Chargers
Ed Podolak Chiefs
Nick Pietrasonte Lions
Rick Casares Bears
Ken Willard Niners
Rocky Bliear Steelers
Bill Brown/Tommy Mason Vikes

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Hugh "The King" McElhenny (Niners) was a Cali State hurdles champion in HS. He had black speed and agility, a fantastic runner. He was the best pure runner among white RB's.

"Jaguar" Jon Arnett out of USC was an amzing runner, he had speed, quicks and that elusveness. Played with the Rams.

Houston's Dickie Post (Chargers) lead the AFL in rushing. He was super quick and had that burst.

We can't count Red Grange The Galloping Ghost because he never faced any black athletes.

Craig James SMU could motor.
Billy Cannon LSU had a good season with the Oilers. A Heisman winner.

Mike Alstott, Larry Csonka, Jim Taylor and John Riggins were power backs.

Paul Horung and Frank Gifford multi talented cats.

McElhenny, Grange, Csonka, Taylor and Riggins, all in te HOF.

McCaffrey the closest thing to McElhenny we've seen. He's not as elusive but a better receiver.

I;m thinking the Browns Peyton Hillis the last white RB to have a 1000 yard season.
All cool and everything... but... who was the last starting white RB to have a black QB?

If you can't find a combo before this Newton/McCaffrey pairing... this could be a huge historical moment.

It's like a white man marrying a black woman. It almost never happens... so elusive... but the opposite way happens so often (like white QB, black RB) that it's so ubiquitous that we don't even look twice when it's black guy/white girl.

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All cool and everything... but... who was the last starting white RB to have a black QB?

If you can't find a combo before this Newton/McCaffrey pairing... this could be a huge historical moment.

It's like a white man marrying a black woman. It almost never happens... so elusive... but the opposite way happens so often (like white QB, black RB) that it's so ubiquitous that we don't even look twice when it's black guy/white girl.

Do you see McCaffrey being the starting every down RB? I don't. Why bang a speedster like him into the line?

I'd never thought about a black QB/white RB, but since I know all of both....hmmmmm?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Do you see McCaffrey being the starting every down RB? I don't. Why bang a speedster like him into the line?

I'd never thought about a black QB/white RB, but since I know all of both....hmmmmm?

He's well over 200 pounds though so he could be a three down back. Also pick up the blitz and run between the tackles on third and one.

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He's well over 200 pounds though so he could be a three down back. Also pick up the blitz and run between the tackles on third and one.

Do you really think they brought in a guy like McCaffrey to bang the line? He's not there for that. He's in Carolina to make splash plays, chunk of yardage plays, ya don't risk him...bang~~~

I don't see him as the starting RB. This cat needs to be out in space.

I'm going to find a black QB/white RB, I just don't think we'll see it to where both were the starters.

Was Vince Evans in Oakland the same time Van Eeghan was? Marv Hubbard? Was James Harris a Ram with John Cappelletti? Cunningham never played with a white RB? Warren Moon?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Do you really think they brought in a guy like McCaffrey to bang the line? He's not there for that. He's in Carolina to make splash plays, chunk of yardage plays, ya don't risk him...bang~~~

I don't see him as the starting RB. This cat needs to be out in space.
You don't draft someone #8 overall after a losing season to only play 35% of the snaps or less.

Also, Stew Stew has gotten old... and slow. Very slow. Slow as the cookin' of a crock pot full of stew-art.

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You don't draft someone #8 overall after a losing season to only play 35% of the snaps or less.

Also, Stew Stew has gotten old... and slow. Very slow. Slow as the cookin' of a crock pot full of stew-art.

Who said anything about 35%? You also don't draft a guy like McCaffrey to ....thrre yards and a cloud of dust. Any back can thump. This guy is a race horse and will be used like one.

Stewart is still a "good" RB, he'll do the heavy lifting.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Who said anything about 35%? You also don't draft a guy like McCaffrey to ....thrre yards and a cloud of dust. Any back can thump. This guy is a race horse and will be used like one.

Stewart is still a "good" RB, he'll do the heavy lifting.
Stewart moves like molasses these days... he's 31. He got 3, 5, or 8 yards seemingly every time he got the ball in 2015. Not the case last year. He just couldn't move. Which meant, 2nd down, 3rd down, Newton drop back, hang in the pocket... WHAM, thud!

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Stewart moves like molasses these days... he's 31. He got 3, 5, or 8 yards seemingly every time he got the ball in 2015. Not the case last year. He just couldn't move. Which meant, 2nd down, 3rd down, Newton drop back, hang in the pocket... WHAM, thud!

Jerome Bettis is in the HOF with a career avg of 3.9. John Riggins is in the HOF with a career avg of 3.9. What did Stewart average in 2016.....3.8.

You don't brinig in a speedster to go banging into NFL lines. Why would ya do that?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Jerome Bettis is in the HOF with a career avg of 3.9. John Riggins is in the HOF with a career avg of 3.9. What did Stewart average in 2016.....3.8.

You don't brinig in a speedster to go banging into NFL lines. Why would ya do that?

McCaffrey isn't a scat back/pure "speedster" though. You draft those in the 3rd or 4th round. You draft the McCaffrey, Cook, Mixon types early... look at Zeke and Fournette, hell even Darren McFadden. The ones you draft early you count on to play 3 downs in the backfield and get a consistent 3-6 ypc between the tackles and convert the 3rd and 1's... usually between the tackles.

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McCaffrey isn't a scat back/pure "speedster" though. You draft those in the 3rd or 4th round. You draft the McCaffrey, Cook, Mixon types early... look at Zeke and Fournette, hell even Darren McFadden. The ones you draft early you count on to play 3 downs in the backfield and get a consistent 3-6 ypc between the tackles and convert the 3rd and 1's... usually between the tackles.

If you think the Panthers brought McCaffrey in to be the bell cow....wrong~~~~~~ They could have got a bigger stronger back for that. This guy is there to make the big play, back safeties off the line. SCORE~!!!!!

[UNT Eagles 2016]

If you think the Panthers brought McCaffrey in to be the bell cow....wrong~~~~~~ They could have got a bigger stronger back for that. This guy is there to make the big play, back safeties off the line. SCORE~!!!!!

So basically Tyreek Hill minus the freak speed? Okay...

I could definitely see a lot of "split" backfield shotgun snaps with Stew and McCaffrey flanking Newton... but that could mean a big disadvantage in the passing game. How well does having two backs back there fare against the blitz?

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So basically Tyreek Hill minus the freak speed? Okay...

I could definitely see a lot of "split" backfield shotgun snaps with Stew and McCaffrey flanking Newton... but that could mean a big disadvantage in the passing game. How well does having two backs back there fare against the blitz?

I expect to see just that. Both backs in with McCaffrey being the....???? How do ya blitz knowing all Newton has to do is dump it off?

McCaffrey ...might....hit off tackle, Hill....nay~~~~

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I expect to see just that. Both backs in with McCaffrey being the....???? How do ya blitz knowing all Newton has to do is dump it off?

McCaffrey ...might....hit off tackle, Hill....nay~~~~

I'm excited to see the triple-shovel-option type plays from the Panthers this year. You know how Cam loves his college offense. Call it a quad option because Cam can always tuck it and make a throw, too. McCaffrey is smart, maybe has a good enough arm to make a few throws out of that, too. The number of obscure and trick play combinations are endless in Carolina. But their OL is still a big concern.

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I'm excited to see the triple-shovel-option type plays from the Panthers this year. You know how Cam loves his college offense. Call it a quad option because Cam can always tuck it and make a throw, too. McCaffrey is smart, maybe has a good enough arm to make a few throws out of that, too. The number of obscure and trick play combinations are endless in Carolina. But their OL is still a big concern.

Yep, that is why McCaffrey is there. He is not a thick legged banger that scares nobody. He will have to be defended differently and this puts a stress on any D. I expect to see him all over the field, in a multitude of formations. Yep, a brand new toy.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Yep, that is why McCaffrey is there. He is not a thick legged banger that scares nobody. He will have to be defended differently and this puts a stress on any D. I expect to see him all over the field, in a multitude of formations. Yep, a brand new toy.

Belichick would have tried to trade up to draft him if they didn't trade their farm for Brandin Cooks. Yep.

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Belichick would have tried to trade up to draft him if they didn't trade their farm for Brandin Cooks. Yep.

The NFL adores speed. That list of sub 9.5yards/10.30m is a mile long.

Hell, look at the impact Tyreek Hill made. And the Chiefs have had...

Stone Johnson an Oly sprinter
Ken Thomas a 10.0
Sammie Parker 10.17
Joe Delaney 9.4

Belichick would have been foaming at the mouth.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The NFL adores speed. That list of sub 9.5yards/10.30m is a mile long.

Hell, look at the impact Tyreek Hill made. And the Chiefs have had...

Stone Johnson an Oly sprinter
Ken Thomas a 10.0
Sammie Parker 10.17
Joe Delaney 9.4

Belichick would have been foaming at the mouth.
oh well, they can still get him in 5 years, the Pats can... but at least one of Edelman/Amendola will have retired, and we don't know how much Brady will have left in the tank by then.

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oh well, they can still get him in 5 years, the Pats can... but at least one of Edelman/Amendola will have retired, and we don't know how much Brady will have left in the tank by then.

If the Panthers do use McCaffrey as a line banger after five seasons his speed won't be the same.

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Most RB's are thick/muscular, and while they have a great burst and 20ishm few can go the distance because they can't outrun DB's. When we find a RB with enought speed to go 80 this is a rarity/special. So ya do all ya can to put him in positions to use that speed, get the guy out in space.

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For me the first sign of the return of football are the college mags now on the Newstand, the NFL mags out in early June. It will take me about a month to disect all the info in that Street & Smith. All of college football is covered, all of it, even the JC scene.

C.J.Spiller is now a Chief. No team has had more speedy RB's than the Chiefs.

How many weeks before Tom Savage is riding the bench?

Will RGIII play football in 2017?

The QB situation

Chiefs....solid
Raiders...future great
Broncos...yawn
Chargers...future HOF???
Colts...regressing
Texans....a work in progress
Titans...best QB in division?
Jags...a mistake?
Steelers...HOF
Browns....who cares?
Ravens...average
Bengals...can't win a big game.
Pats...GOAT
Jets...who is their QB?
Bills...hmmm?
Dolphins....just there
Niners....how did we ever get like this?
Rams...in trouble
Cards...need a change
Seahawks.....winningest QB ever after five seasons
Giants...worst good QB ever
Eagles...has potential
Cowboys...future great???
Redskins....good
Saints...HOF
Buc's...on his way up
Falcons...good on the verge of great?
Panthers...brain can't match body
Lions...good
Bears....poor Bears
Vikings...where's Fran when ya need him?
Packers...best QB in the NFC.

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Marshawn Lynch on the Raiders back when they had Lyle Azado, Jack Tatum, George Atkinson, Kenny "Snake" Stabler. Very cool~~~

J.D.Smith a cornerback from NCA&T was converted to a RB when it got to my Niners, he was the first 1000 yard rusher from an HBCU school. Now NCA&T has another NFL RB...Tarik "Human Joystick" Cohen, this cat is amazing.

I'm predicting right now that if Marshall gets too much action with the Giants, we are going to be seeing a spoiled brat Odell Beckmam Jr.

Be ready to hear a lot about Hugh "The King" McElhenny in Panthers games, who can tell me why?

How dumb was Keapernick? He didn't know what was going to happen to him? Sure, we heard all the right things but it was all bullshit. You stand for the National Anthem, fuck your personal bullshit.

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The NFL Network is showing a replay of that Panthers vs Giants game where Beckman and Norman squared off. It's...one of the greatest games.....huh???? The only reason the game is being shown....Norman vs Beckham.

Sheesh~~~

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The NFL Network is showing a replay of that Panthers vs Giants game where Beckman and Norman squared off. It's...one of the greatest games.....huh???? The only reason the game is being shown....Norman vs Beckham.

Sheesh~~~
It would have been great if the Giants hadn't given up that late field goal to lose and instead won it in OT with a crazy OBJ catch being the deciding play of the game.

Remember, the Panthers were undefeated at the time, the Giants were fighting to get into the playoffs and the score was 35-7 Panthers at one point late in the third quarter. If the Giants had came back to win that game, and made a serious playoff run that year... would have gone down as one of the best RS games ever.

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Check out Cards RB T.J.Logan tonight, some serious quicks.

But....please don't play this stupid rookie bullshit, if he doesn't play well, ok?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Check out Cards RB T.J.Logan tonight, some serious quicks.

But....please don't play this stupid rookie bullshit, if he doesn't play well, ok?

That RB in the first quarter was pretty special. AZ started 15-0 but Dallas defense was too good after that

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That RB in the first quarter was pretty special. AZ started 15-0 but Dallas defense was too good after that

Nobody cares about the outcome in these games.

Checking out the new guys is what this is about.

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The Colts sign former Olympic sprinter Marvin Bracy. He will be he second*** sub 10.00 sprinter in pro football history if he makes the team, he was a great HS player.

*** Jim Hines from Texas Southern was histories first sub10.00 and the 1968 Olympic champion, but, he was no footballer. Yep....fail.

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Keep an eye on this kid, he was a former Cali State 100m champ. Now a Titan.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0ykGgFuEVE

Sometime during the season you will hear some announcer....he has world class speed.....for Muhammad and fellow Titan Adoree Jackson.....while speedy footballers, neither has.....world class...speed, that would be sub 10.10.

Tyreek Hill has WC speed because of his 20.14 200m. 20.09 won the Worlds. Above mentioned Marvin Bracy is the fasstest man in football if he makes a roster. He is a former Olympian.

[SpursforSix]

Keep an eye on this kid, he was a former Cali State 100m champ. Now a Titan.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0ykGgFuEVE

Sometime during the season you will hear some announcer....he has world class speed.....for Muhammad and fellow Titan Adoree Jackson.....while speedy footballers, neither has.....world class...speed, that would be sub 10.10.

Tyreek Hill has WC speed because of his 20.14 200m. 20.09 won the Worlds. Above mentioned Marvin Bracy is the fasstest man in football if he makes a roster. He is a former Olympian.

Holy fuck. Are you telling me that I could have had a shot at being a NFL wide receiver? I had great hands and my 20 time puts me up there with Hill. TBH though, I'm not sure if I have the quick twitch or strength to get off the line and finish the route. But now you've got me wondering if I should have taken my athletic career more seriously.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Above mentioned Marvin Bracy is the fasstest man in football if he makes a roster. He is a former Olympian.

Special teams fodder.

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Holy fuck. Are you telling me that I could have had a shot at being a NFL wide receiver? I had great hands and my 20 time puts me up there with Hill. TBH though, I'm not sure if I have the quick twitch or strength to get off the line and finish the route. But now you've got me wondering if I should have taken my athletic career more seriously.

This is what is going to happen, I'm going to ask you what 100m time would a guy who can run a 20.00 have to have to make a 20.00 possible. You will do everything/anything but give me a legit answer because you know...0....about this stuff becaue you never even ran track.

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Special teams fodder.

I could list 100 NCAA sprinters who became legit NFL players.

[SpursforSix]

This is what is going to happen, I'm going to ask you what 100m time would a guy who can run a 20.00 have to have to make a 20.00 possible. You will do everything/anything but give me a legit answer because you know...0....about this stuff becaue you never even ran track.

I was good in the 100. I already told you that story.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

This is what is going to happen, I'm going to ask you what 100m time would a guy who can run a 20.00 have to have to make a 20.00 possible. You will do everything/anything but give me a legit answer because you know...0....about this stuff becaue you never even ran track.
Ctoa is a master troll

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QB situation/Best ever

Cowboys....potenial Superstar/Troy Aikman
Giants...future HOF/Eli Manning
Redskins...servicable/Sonny Jurgenson
Eagles....adequate/Donovan McNabb
Packers...best in the league?/Brett Favre
Vikings....fair/Fran Tarkenton
Lions...good/Matthew Stafford
Bears....sucks/Jay Cutler
Niners...sucks/Joe Montana
Rams...sucks/Norm Van Brocklin
Cards....time for a change/Jim Hart
Seahawks....top 5/6 in the league/Russell Wilson
Falcons....see RW/Matt Ryan
Saints...future HOF/Drew Brees
Panthers....good/Cam Newton
Bucs....good/Vinny Testerverde


Chiefs...adequate/Len Dawson
Raiders....see RW/Kenny Stabler
Chargers...future HOF....?/Philip Rivers
Broncos.....???/John Elway
Steelers....future HOF/Big Ben
Ravens....best of the second tier/Joe Flacco
Bengals....adequate/Ken Anderson
Browns....???/Otto Graham
Colts....good/Peyton Manning
Texans....???/Have never had a stud QB
Titans...good/Warren Moon (Oilers) Steve McNair
Patriots.....best in the league?/THE GOAT
Bills/Jets/Dolphins....hahahahaha~~~~~~ Jim Kelly/Joe Namath/Dan Marino

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Little advice for all you pick um players.

Pay attention to heading into a bye and coming off a bye, make it a part of your plan.

Look at home and home and road and road, this is a real big deal.

Teams coming off a Thursday night game get extra days to prepare for the next opponet, take this into consideration.

Don't just.....well I like....that will never work. Look at the "spot" these teams are in. Look at teams after a division game, these are the most important games. And what comes after a win/loss, a big deal.

Scheduling is HUGE.

This is not the NCAA these pro teams don't have rto win every game, they are just trying to win the division and they do everything with that goal in mind (then wildcard). Just make the playoffs. So we won't get a 100% effort evey week. We'll get what makes sense. Yes, it's not...ok guy we don't need this one....but it's also not overly intense if not needed.

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They have been faster athletes in the NFL than Tyreek Hill. Bob Hayes, the best example but......with pads on and under football conditions/situations he's as fast as it gets. His acceleration and ability to cut while at a huge % of max velocity is amazing.

[spurraider21]

Chirp Chirp

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Chirp Chirp

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Avante, is there anything about the game ya don't know?

Good question, no not really.

[Darth_Pelican]

Chirp Chirp

[Avante]

Here you won't find any over reaction to early season games, that's what rookies play.

So here's how experienced football fans do it.

Forget what you just saw in week one. Yep, meaningless. Other than the pressure is really on those 0-1 teams now, so pay attention to this in week two.

When has NE gone 0-2?

Cincy with an established QB at 0-2 or a Houston team on the road off a short week with no QB.....yet?

That's really about it this early on. Oh yeah, Tarik Cohen like Kareem Hunt had a great game to start a career. Cohen out of NCA&T, the school that gave us J.D.Smith (Niner) the first HBCU RB to have a 1000 yard NFL season (50's) he was a converted DB.

The best QB I saw this weekend.....Sam Darnold USC, this kid is amazing.

If ya plan on,...he sucks~~~~ he's great~~~~~~~ this early on do it someplace else, yep....ROOKIE~~~~~~

I do have a STONE COLD LOCK for week two......Raiders beat the Jets:king

[Pelicans78]

QB situation/Best ever

Cowboys....potenial Superstar/Troy Aikman
Giants...future HOF/Eli Manning
Redskins...servicable/Sonny Jurgenson
Eagles....adequate/Donovan McNabb
Packers...best in the league?/Brett Favre
Vikings....fair/Fran Tarkenton
Lions...good/Matthew Stafford
Bears....sucks/Jay Cutler
Niners...sucks/Joe Montana
Rams...sucks/Norm Van Brocklin
Cards....time for a change/Jim Hart
Seahawks....top 5/6 in the league/Russell Wilson
Falcons....see RW/Matt Ryan
Saints...future HOF/Drew Brees
Panthers....good/Cam Newton
Bucs....good/Vinny Testerverde


Chiefs...adequate/Len Dawson
Raiders....see RW/Kenny Stabler
Chargers...future HOF....?/Philip Rivers
Broncos.....???/John Elway
Steelers....future HOF/Big Ben
Ravens....best of the second tier/Joe Flacco
Bengals....adequate/Ken Anderson
Browns....???/Otto Graham
Colts....good/Peyton Manning
Texans....???/Have never had a stud QB
Titans...good/Warren Moon (Oilers) Steve McNair
Patriots.....best in the league?/THE GOAT
Bills/Jets/Dolphins....hahahahaha~~~~~~ Jim Kelly/Joe Namath/Dan Marino

Seriosuly man. You have Cutler over Sid Luckman?

You can also debate Kurt Warner over Van Brocklin.

Lazy putting Testaverde as the best Bucs QB. He was terrible as a Bucs QB. Brad Johnson and Doug Williams were better. Heck so was Josh Freeman.

Could go either way with Staubach and Aikman.

[Pelicans78]

Here you won't find any over reaction to early season games, that's what rookies play.

So here's how experienced football fans do it.

Forget what you just saw in week one. Yep, meaningless. Other than the pressure is really on those 0-1 teams now, so pay attention to this in week two.

When has NE gone 0-2?

Cincy with an established QB at 0-2 or a Houston team on the road off a short week with no QB.....yet?

That's really about it this early on. Oh yeah, Tarik Cohen like Kareem Hunt had a great game to start a career. Cohen out of NCA&T, the school that gave us J.D.Smith (Niner) the first HBCU RB to have a 1000 yard NFL season (50's) he was a converted DB.

The best QB I saw this weekend.....Sam Darnold USC, this kid is amazing.

If ya plan on,...he sucks~~~~ he's great~~~~~~~ this early on do it someplace else, yep....ROOKIE~~~~~~

I do have a STONE COLD LOCK for week two......Raiders beat the Jets:king

Baker Mayfield was the best college player this past week.

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Seriosuly man. You have Cutler over Sid Luckman?

You can also debate Kurt Warner over Van Brocklin.

Lazy putting Testaverde as the best Bucs QB. He was terrible as a Bucs QB. Brad Johnson and Doug Williams were better. Heck so was Josh Freeman.

Could go either way with Staubach and Aikman.


Do your homework on Doug Williams, he was not a better Buc QB. Can make a case for Johnson, but he was only there 4 seasons.

The Sid Luckman situation is a bit...???? In his 12 year career he only threw the ball 909 times. Now if we play....era....then ok, he did have a HOF career. But, it's Cutler who holds all the Bears QB records.

Troy Aikman was better than Staubach and their career numbers prove this.

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Baker Mayfield was the best college player this past week.

See where I say, the best QB....I...saw? I didn't see that game, yet.

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I talked about the Bears rookie RB Tarik Cohen someplace here or was it the Club? Being a huge HBCU fan (mostly track) I knew all about his amazing exploits at NCA&T. His highlight video is Reggie Bush, Derrick Henry, Noel Devine in HS level stuff, totally unbelievable.

The HBCU has given pro football these notable RB's.

Florida A&M...Willie Galimore, Hewritt Dixon
Morgan State....Leroy Kelly HOF
Grambling.....Paul "Tank" Younger, Essex Johnson
Southern U...Mack "The Truck" Lee Hill...a monster
Prairie View...Clem Daneils first Raider 1000 yard rusher (converted DB)
Maryland Eastern Shore....Emerson Boozer
NCA&T...J.D.Smith first HBCU 1000 yard NFL rusher (converted DB)
Alabama St...Isaih Crowell
Jackson St...Walter Payton HOF, Ricky Young
Bethune Cookman...Boobie Clarke
Texas Southern...Willie Ellison

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I never say too much early on, we don't really start getting it until around week 5ish.

But.....

The AFC West....tuff~~~

The AFC South....hahahaha~~~

Alex Smith looking good.

Now all that could change, but as of right now.

Oh yeah.....Tom Savage is not the best QB in Texas.

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Mike Golic makes some great points about o linemen. Why do they run a 40? Why do they long jump and all that other non football stuff?

Tom Brady is no athlete, look what RGIII would do to him in a mini Olympics. So what.

As Golic said....footwork....far more important for o linemen than a 40 time.

[spurraider21]

Chirp Chirp.

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Chirp Chirp.

It must hurt knowing the most knowledgeable poster on this forum does this to you. Dude.....grow up~~~~~~~

[Avante]

Once we started seeing...

Kaepernick
Andrew Luck
RGIII
Eli Manning
Eddie Lacy
Odell Beckham

.....doing commercials, hmmmm? Now it's Prescott, hmmmm?

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I never put too much into Sept, we don't know what's real....yet.

Why ya don't over react early on.

Dak sucked vs Denver, tonight he was.,....wow~~~ The Broncos are monsters, they lose to Buffalo and on and on.....

So, this is just what three weeks appears to be telling us, could change and soon.

The Bears are better than usual and Tarik Cohen the next Willie Galimore.

Russell Wilson won't last the season, that 0 line is horrendous.

The Raiders took a game off vs Wash, I wonder why?

The Chiefs have more team speed than anyone else.

Tom Savage, hahhahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Can Newton has let celebrity go his head and now he's done.

What grown man is listening to Jameis Winston ramble on?

Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady on a whole other level.

Karrem Hunt the latest small college guy to surprise at the NFL level.

Hunt got me thinking about stud RB's who are the only one from their school in pro football.

Chris Warren Furman
Chris Ivory Tiffin
Wilbert Montgomery Abilene Christian
Timmy Brown Ball State
Dick Bass UOP
Terry Metcalf Long Beach State
Abner Haynes North Texas State
Christian Okoye Azusa Pacific
Clem Daneils Prairie View
Calvin Hill Yale
Deacon Dan Towler Washington and Jefferson
Willie Ellison Texas Southern
Emerson Boozer Maryland Eastern Shore
Joe "The Jet" Perry Compton JC

[Avante]

Hmmmmm?

All Time

Niners

QB...Joe Montana
RB...Frank Gore
RB...Roger Craig
WR...Jerry Rice
WR...Terrell Owens
TE...Vernon Davis

Cowboys

QB...Troy Aikman
RB...Emmitt Smith
RB...Tony Dorsett
WR...Michael Irvin
WR...Bob Hayes
TE...Jason Witten

Seahawks

QB...Russell Wilson
RB...Shaun Alexander
RB....Marshawn Lynch
WR...Steve Largent
WR...Doug Baldwin
TE...Jimmy Graham

Browns

QB...Otto Graham
RB...Jim Brown
RB...Leroy Kelly
WR...Paul Warfield
WR...Dante Levelle
TE...Ozzie Newsome

Chargers

QB...Philip Rivers
RB...LaDainian Tomlinson
RB...Paul Lowe
WR...Lance Alworth
WR...Charlie Joiner
TE...Antonio Gates

Raiders

QB...Ken Stabler
RB...Bo Jackson
RB...Marcus Allen
WR...Tim Brown
WR...Fred Biletnikoff
TE...Dave Casper

Pats

QB...Tom Brady
RB...Sam Cunningham
RB...Jim Nance
WR...Stanley Morgan
WR...Wes Welker
TE...GRONK

Broncos

QB....John Elway
RB...Terrell Davis
RB...Floyd Little
WR...Rod Smith
WR....Lionel Taylor
TE...Shannon Sharpe

Colts

QB...Peyton Manning
RB...Edgerrin James
RB...Lenny Moore
WR...Marvin Harrison
WR...Ray Berry
TE...John Mackey

Bears

QB...Jay Cutler
RB....Walter Payton
RB...Gale Sayers
WR....Brandon Marshall
WR....Johnny Morris
TE....Mike Ditka

Chiefs

QB..Len Dawson
RB...Jamaal Charles
RB...Priest Holmes
WR...Otis Taylor
WR...Henry Marshall
TE...Tony Gonzalez

Redskins

QB...Sonny Jurgenson
RB....John Riggins
RB...Clinton Portis
WR...Art Monk
WR...Bobby Mitchell
TE....Jackie Smith

Why am I stopping here?

[chunticakes]

Hmmmmm?

All Time

Niners

QB...Joe Montana
RB...Frank Gore
RB...Roger Craig
WR...Jerry Rice
WR...Terrell Owens
TE...Vernon Davis

Cowboys

QB...Troy Aikman
RB...Emmitt Smith
RB...Tony Dorsett
WR...Michael Irvin
WR...Bob Hayes
TE...Jason Witten

Seahawks

QB...Russell Wilson
RB...Shaun Alexander
RB....Marshawn Lynch
WR...Steve Largent
WR...Doug Baldwin
TE...Jimmy Graham

Browns

QB...Otto Graham
RB...Jim Brown
RB...Leroy Kelly
WR...Paul Warfield
WR...Dante Levelle
TE...Ozzie Newsome

Chargers

QB...Philip Rivers
RB...LaDainian Tomlinson
RB...Paul Lowe
WR...Lance Alworth
WR...Charlie Joiner
TE...Antonio Gates

Raiders

QB...Ken Stabler
RB...Bo Jackson
RB...Marcus Allen
WR...Tim Brown
WR...Fred Biletnikoff
TE...Dave Casper

Pats

QB...Tom Brady
RB...Sam Cunningham
RB...Jim Nance
WR...Stanley Morgan
WR...Wes Welker
TE...GRONK

Broncos

QB....John Elway
RB...Terrell Davis
RB...Floyd Little
WR...Rod Smith
WR....Lionel Taylor
TE...Shannon Sharpe

Colts

QB...Peyton Manning
RB...Edgerrin James
RB...Lenny Moore
WR...Marvin Harrison
WR...Ray Berry
TE...John Mackey

Bears

QB...Jay Cutler
RB....Walter Payton
RB...Gale Sayers
WR....Brandon Marshall
WR....Johnny Morris
TE....Mike Ditka

Chiefs

QB..Len Dawson
RB...Jamaal Charles
RB...Priest Holmes
WR...Otis Taylor
WR...Henry Marshall
TE...Tony Gonzalez

Redskins

QB...Sonny Jurgenson
RB....John Riggins
RB...Clinton Portis
WR...Art Monk
WR...Bobby Mitchell
TE....Jackie Smith

Why am I stopping here?

McMahon >>> Smokin' Jay

[Avante]

You'd think a franchise that's been around since day one of the NFL would have had a better QB history than the Bears.

[Avante]

Starting Tuesday. or after 4 weeks of NFL action I start looking at things a little differently. We now have a decent sample size of what to expect to some degree. Now it is realistic to start talking about the players/teams......sorta. You rookies who freak out in Sept....hahaha~~~~

I give a point total to use as a guide.

3 points road win
2 points home win
1 point road loss
0 points home loss

Just a early power rating deal. Yep, not totally accurate for the obvous reasons but it's a good place to start.

It will always take a few weeks to get things working as a team, to.....THE PATS SUCK...over an early season performance, yep......rookie. To.....he's going to be great....because of...a...great game, yep...rookie.

Give this stuff 4-6 weeks, prove ya understand the game.

[Avante]

That kid at Penn State...Barkley....appears to have "it".

Penn State has had some stud running backs.

Lenny More HOF
Lydell Mitchell
Kijana Carter
John Cappeletti Heisman
Franco Harris HOF
Curt Warner...first Seahawk 1000 yarder
Larry Johnson
Gary Brown

Speaking of running backs, look at the Chiefs.

Abner Haynes North Texas St
Curtis McClinton Kansas
Mike Garrett USC
Warren McVea Houston
Ed Podolak Iowa St
Tony Reed Colorado
Woody Green ASU
Mack "The Truck" Lee Hill Southern U (a monster)
Robert "The Tank" Holmes Southern U
Larry Johnson Penn St
Joe Delaney NWLa (ran on an NCAA winning 4x1 team with Mark Duper and Victor Oatis, NFLers to be)
Christian "Nigerian Nightmare" Okoye Azusa Pacific
Priest Holmes Texas
Jamaal Charles Texas
Kareem Hunt Toledo

Is there anyone here with any depth or knowledge of the game other than....I sure like.......?

[Avante]

NFL firsts in 2017.

Both the Cowboys and Texans with black QB's.

A stud RB out of.....Toledo.

Frank Gore needs 700 yards this season to move into fifth place on the All Time rushing list.

Cam Newton setting a new NFL record with 50 rushing TD's for a QB.

Russell Wilson most wins in NFL history for a QB's with his games played.

[Avante]

How could anyone watch Russell Wilson play and not be totally amazed? The guy is fantastic, yep, just like ALL those anouncers say.

[Avante]

When listening to football announcers and all those talk shows on TV, how many times do ya.......yep, just like Avante said.......?

Today Cowherd went on and on about how important it was for todays QB's to have mobility.

Speaking of Cowherd, he's gone....

4-1
4-1
3-2
4-1.....that last Chief TD, ha~~~

With his $$$$$ picks this season, that is 15-5.......wow~~~~

[Avante]

A little tool I use when picking games.

http://www.nfl.com/standings

There are a number of things ya look at but.....

Jets in Buff

Buff 2-0 at home
Jets 0-2 on the road

Buff + 19 points scored vs given up
Jets - 17

It does start there.

[Avante]

It is looking like....(could change, it's early)

The Pats, Seahawks, Falcons, Cowboys aren't as good as they were, while the Rams, Bills, Texans, Lions are better in 2017.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

It is looking like....(could change, it's early)

The Pats, Seahawks, Falcons, Cowboys aren't as good as they were, while the Rams, Bills, Texans, Lions are better in 2017.
The Falcons lost Julio Jones AND Muhammad Sanu for last game. Ryan had virtually nowhere to throw the ball. They'll be fine as long as those two are fine.

[SpursforSix]

It is looking like....(could change, it's early)

The Pats, Seahawks, Falcons, Cowboys aren't as good as they were, while the Rams, Bills, Texans, Lions are better in 2017.

You can always tell the rookies. It's week....4...

[SpursforSix]

It is looking like....(could change, it's early)

The Pats, Seahawks, Falcons, Cowboys aren't as good as they were, while the Rams, Bills, Texans, Lions are better in 2017.

And most experts knew the Cowboys and Falcons weren't going to be as good as they were last year.

[Avante]

And most experts knew the Cowboys and Falcons weren't going to be as good as they were last year.

So what did Vegas have them when it comes to odds to make a SB....well?

Dude, I am an expert, ok? Been into this stuff since the late 50's, ok little man? Can talk players these ...experts...have never even heard of, trust me~~~~

Talk to me about Eagles wide receiver Frank Budd. What was special about him?

[SpursforSix]

So what did Vegas have them when it comes to odds to make a SB....well?

Dude, I am an expert, ok? Been into this stuff since the late 50's, ok little man? Can talk players these ...experts...have never even heard of, trust me~~~~

Talk to me about Eagles wide receiver Frank Budd. What was special about him?

He was part of the first induction class for the Villanova Wall of Fame.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

And most experts knew the Cowboys and Falcons weren't going to be as good as they were last year.
Falcons lost ONE GAME and that was without the best receiver on the planet and their other star receiver who is a savvy veteran and great route runner.

Cowboys lost twice, one was a bad beat no doubt the other was one we should have won (gave up 10 on special teams in the first half -- otherwise we would have won in a blowout), without the anchor of the defense (Lee) and took a young team as a win for granted.

Both teams will be fine.

[SpursforSix]

Falcons lost ONE GAME and that was without the best receiver on the planet and their other star receiver who is a savvy veteran and great route runner.

Cowboys lost twice, one was a bad beat no doubt the other was one we should have won (gave up 10 on special teams in the first half -- otherwise we would have won in a blowout), without the anchor of the defense (Lee) and took a young team as a win for granted.

Both teams will be fine.

Not saying either or bad and will miss the playoffs. Just pointing out I don't think anyone expected them to have the kind of years they did last season. At the end of the season, it turns out that the Cowboys and Falcons had some of the easiest schedules.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Not saying either or bad and will miss the playoffs. Just pointing out I don't think anyone expected them to have the kind of years they did last season. At the end of the season, it turns out that the Cowboys and Falcons had some of the easiest schedules.
Falcons had the AFC West, and the Cowboys had the rest of the NFC East which was the best division in the NFL last year by record. While there were certainly soft patches, it wasn't super soft like what we've seen sometimes.

Panthers 2015 comes to mind as uber-soft... they had the AFC South and the 2015 NFC East which we know was atrocious. Even their own division wasn't good, next best team was the 8-8 Falcons and the other 2 were awful.

2014 AFC North is another example of an entire division with inflated records because of their baby-soft schedule... AFC South and the 2014 NFC South, which was one of the worst divisions in history. Need I say, softest schedule possible in football?

[Avante]

He was part of the first induction class for the Villanova Wall of Fame.

Budd was a 100 yard world record holder at 9.2 and an Olympian.

[Avante]

As of right now....could change.

Chiefs, Broncos
Texans
Pats, Bills
Steelers

Packers, Lions
Seahawks, Rams
Cowboys, Eagles
Falcons

Are the only ones with any realistic shot at playing in their conference Champs game.

Nine of the thirteen with mobile/extend the play QB's.

[Avante]

A little trivia for any female fans.

1. What stud punt returner only weighed 137 pounds?

2. Give me 20 Olympians who played pro football.

3. What stud RB blocked for Mercury Morris at WTS?

4. Give me 8 USC RB's that had 1000 yard seasons in pro football?

5. Who went with these nicknames?

The Horse
Big Daddy
Jaguar
Speedy
The Mad Bomber
The Golden Boy
The Flea
Super Gnat
Mini
Cannonball
The Kansas Comet
The Roadrunner
Gizmo
Preacher
The Tank
Spider
Thunder
The Truck
Bam
Ironhead
The Snake
Broadway
Jefferson Street
The Galloping Ghost
Choo Choo
Cookie
Squirmin'
Mr.Outside
Mr.Inside
The Four Horsemen
The Lion
Mad Dog
Little Train
The Diesel
Touchdown
The King
The Jet
Dandy

6. Give me the last name to these initials

O.J.
J.D.
A.D.
C.R.
R.C.
A.J.
C.J.
Y.A.



Good luck~~~

[Avante]

All we really know for sure right now is this.

Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are the best QB's in the NFL.

No...Tom Savage isn't the best QB in any state.

Cam Newton thinks it's funny talking pass routes with a female, and it is.

Way too many of you freak out way too early in a season, ya don't give things time.

The Niners, Giants, Browns, Colts....do suck.

Tyreek Hill is the fastest player in the NFL, because the Colts cut Olympic sprinter Marvin Bracy.

Jared Goff is a hell of a lot better this season.

[Avante]

Tonight when the Chiefs meet the Texans, watch how many times being able to run makes a huge difference in that play for both QB's. This is where the game is heading.

Then tomorrow night watch Mitch Trubisky and his mobility.

[Clipper Nation]

It is looking like....(could change, it's early)

The Pats, Seahawks, Falcons, Cowboys aren't as good as they were, while the Rams, Bills, Texans, Lions are better in 2017.
The Rams, Bills, Texans and Lions are a combined 0-3 so far with the Texans yet to play. The Avante Curse in full effect.

[Avante]

The Rams, Bills, Texans and Lions are a combined 0-3 so far with the Texans yet to play. The Avante Curse in full effect.

That coming from.....the Panthers need to move on from Cam Newton. Tell us all again about TOM SAVAGE THE BEST QB IN TEXAS PERIOD....hahaha~~~

If I were as dumb as you I'd keep my mouth shut............ROOKIE~~~~~~

[Avante]

Little people......12 weeks to go, ok? Stop acting fucking ridiculous, ok?

[Avante]

Tyreek Hill, ZOOOOOMNMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

UNT said he was gone, he was never going to post here again.

How well do I know rookies? This will be my last post in this forum until the guy posts here. I give it less than a week. Like all rookies he will over react to everything, this is an example of that.

Before I go.

Is Tyreek Hill fast or what?

[Clipper Nation]

The Rams, Bills, Texans and Lions are a combined 0-3 so far with the Texans yet to play. The Avante Curse in full effect.

Make that 0-4 with the Texans' loss. And Watt fractured his leg. The Avante Curse ruining seasons left and right.

[Avante]

Make that 0-4 with the Texans' loss. And Watt fractured his leg. The Avante Curse ruining seasons left and right.

Is this little shit for real?

He was wrong about Newton, Anderson, Wilson, Peyton, Savage, Watson, Hill and CONSTANTLY says stupiod ass shit, on top of over reacting to EVERYTHING like the ROOKIE he is. AND....he wants to run his mouth, what?

I nailed....Derek Henry, Nick Chubb, Tyreek Hill, James Conner, Tarik Cohen as we'll see tonight, Wilson, West, Watson. Only missing with Dri Archer.

I have never seen anyone as negative and stupid as this freak.

[Avante]

The first black 1000 yard rusher from an HBCU school was the Niners J.D.Smith*** back in the mid 50's, he was out of NCA&T. Tonight we'll be watching the next RB out of NCA&T in quick, agile, speedy Tarik Cohen. The Bears having HBCU studs Willie Galimore out of Florida A&M (Bob Hayes) and the great Walter Payton&&& out of Jackson State.

*** converted cornerback. Long strider. very smooth. Reminds me of Chris Warren out of Furman.

Top 10 HBCU RB's

1.Walter Payton Bears/Jackson St HOF
2.Leroy Kelly Browns/Morgan St HOF
3.Willie Galimore Bears/FAMU
4.Clem Daneils Raiders/Prairie View first 1000 yard rusher
5.J.D.Smith Niners/NCA&T
6.Emerson Boozer Jets/Maryland Eastern Shore
7.Mack "The Truck" Lee Hill Chiefs/Southern U
8.Essex Johnson Bengals/Grambling
9.Willie Ellison Rams/Texas Southern
10.Paul "Tank" Younger Rams/Grambling

&&& people forget he had a brother with the Lions.....Eddie.

Hard to believe the great Gale Sayers had an older brother Roger who was faster than he was, Roger once beat Bob Hayes. And a fantastic footballer but....just 160 pounds.

Gale the nations top HS long jumper at 24-11.

[Avante]

With McCaffrey playing Thursday night.

Best white RB

Niners....Hugh "King" McElhenny HOF
Redskins....John Riggins HOF
Dolphins...Larry Csonka HOF
Bears....Red Grange/Bronko Nagurski HOF
Packers...Jim Taylor/Paul Hornung HOF
Giants...Frank Gifford HOF

As we see, all those cats oldies.

A few good ones.

"Jaguar" Jon Arnett Rams
Craig James Pats
Mark Van Eeghan/Marv Hubbard Raiders
Ed Podolak Chiefs
Keith Lincoln, Dickie Post Chargers
Mike Alstott Buc's
Rick Casares Bears
Ken Willard Niners
Nick Pietrasonte Lions
Alan Ameche Colts
Peyton Hillis Browns

Steve Van Buren......was part black, LSU had no clue.

McCaffreys grandfather Dave Sime won the Olympic 100m silver medal at the 1960 Olympics. He is still considered the second fastest white sprinter from the USA.

1956 WORLD RANKINGS

1................................Bobby Morrow (US)
2..................................... Dave Sime (US)
3................................. Leamon King (US)
4.................................. Thane Baker (US)
5........................... Hec Hogan (Australia)
6................................ Ira Murchison (US)
7............................... Willie Williams (US)
8....................... Mike Agostini (Trinidad)
9........ Manfred Germar (West Germany)
10...................... Abdul Khaliq (Pakistan)

[Avante]

It appears enought is enought. The owners are tired of the crap. Some ruling is about to come down forbiding the players from showing disrespect to the National Anthem. What took so long?

All the protester accomplished was.....see us, this is why the cops treat us like they do we don't care about doing what 's right. Kaepernick needs his ass kicked.

[Mitch]

It appears enought is enought. The owners are tired of the crap. Some ruling is about to come down forbiding the players from showing disrespect to the National Anthem. What took so long?

All the protester accomplished was.....see us, this is why the cops treat us like they do we don't care about doing what 's right. Kaepernick needs his ass kicked.

Once their money started burning and the president threw gasoline on that fire they panicked. :lol

In the end the almighty dollar is giving the marching orders to teams and players.

[chunticakes]

Once their money started burning and the president threw gasoline on that fire they panicked. :lol

In the end the almighty dollar is giving the marching orders to teams and players.

Once Trump threatened to cut tax breaks all the owners panicked :lol

[Avante]

Once their money started burning and the president threw gasoline on that fire they panicked. :lol

In the end the almighty dollar is giving the marching orders to teams and players.

I was surprised the league let it go on as long as it did.

Yep, ya nailed it.

[Avante]

I feel sorry for Russell Wilson, that o line is horrendous.

Alex Smith having a career year, so far.

Never had a stud NFL RB out of Toledo, until Kareem Hunt.

The Rams Robert Woods was the top 400m HS sprinter in the nation.

The Niners Marquiez Goodwin the National HS record holder in the long jump (an Olympian)

Todd Gurley, Ezekial Elliott HS hurdlers.

Just think, as fast as Tyreek Hill is he was no match for Bob Hayes, who played over 50 years ago.

Time to move on from Joe Flacco?

Big Ben about done?

[Avante]

If I'm the Panthers I do all I can to get McGafffrey with ball out in space. Get creative.

Most RB's are too thick legged to out run cornerbacks (yes, not all) but not this guy. I do expect to see a big game out of "White Lightnin' " tonight.

[Avante]

So what have we learned so far?

1.Tom Savage is not the BEST QB IN TEXAS PERIOD

2.All those who do the commercials....end up injured/gone

3.Tyreek Hill is fast.

4.There isn't one team in the league that is THE POWERHOUSE.

5.Deshawn Watson can play.

6.The Pats were stupid letting Blount go.

7.McCaffrey lacks quickness.

8.So many teams and players are up and down, no consistency.

9.Colin Kaepernick is an idiot.

10.My Niners suck.


Some making a big deal about Kareem Hunt being from Toledo. Ignoring the fact the Chiefs have had....

1000 yard rookie rusher Joe DeLaney NWLa.

1000 yard rusher Christian "Nigerian Nightmare" Okoye Azusa Pacific

First stud RB when the Dallas Texans...Abner Haynes North Texas St

The monster Mack "The Truck" Lee Hill Southern U

[Avante]

Speaking of protests.

I grew up about 40 miles east of Lemoore and Tommie Smith. This part of Cali is farming/dairyland. I never saw any racism and ran track, played football with and against blacks. So to think a star athlete like Tommie Smith had to deal with what was going on in the south....it's hard to do.

I worked with a friend of Tommies, Willie Neal*** (uncle of NFLer Lorenzo Neal) he talked about Tommies wife being the real problem and John Carlos who was from Harlem. And in his book...Blackthink....the great Jesse Owens says that exact same thing, it was more bout Tommie trying to please his wife, Carlos and Dr.Harry Edwards.

There is a huge Naval base in Lemoore, and have never heard anything about the mistreatment of blacks out there.

*** ran track with Tommie in HS.

Tommie Smith held 11 WR 's in his day. Histories first sub 44.00 4x4 relayer and the first sub 20.00 200m man. STILL...considered one of the true greats.

[Avante]

Heading into week 8 NOW we have a decent sample size.

Here's how things appear.

Russell Wilson what a stud.

Cam Newton is a freak.

NO....Tom Savage isn't....................

Is there a chance of a Penn SB...Pitt vs Philly?

What a difference coaching makes....Rams~~~

Carson Wentz has...."it".

Joe Flacco...hahahaha~~~

My Niners have never sucked this long and hard.

Better than record....Chargers, Cowboys, Raiders.

Why play Luck at all this season?

Otto Graham will always be the best QB in Browns history.

Notice....all the young QB's can motor, have the ability to run?

If Marshawn Lynch did make the HOF, (or Frank Gore) can ya imagine the DUH~~~ with their acceptance speech?

Bummer we have no.,....Aaron Rodgers, Odell Beckham, Andrew Luck, Julian Edelman, JJ Watt, Greg Olsen.

Obviously the biggest surprise....Kareem Hunt (Chiefs have had a slew of small school stud RB's in the past)

The first 6-7 weeks is pretty much game to game, the guy is GREAT, the guy SUCKS, ha~~~ now we do start seeing how things really are, right about now.

[SpursforSix]

Heading into week 8 NOW we have a decent sample size.

Here's how things appear.

Russell Wilson what a stud.

Cam Newton is a freak.

NO....Tom Savage isn't....................

Is there a chance of a Penn SB...Pitt vs Philly?

What a difference coaching makes....Rams~~~

Carson Wentz has...."it".

Joe Flacco...hahahaha~~~

My Niners have never sucked this long and hard.

Better than record....Chargers, Cowboys, Raiders.

Why play Luck at all this season?

Otto Graham will always be the best QB in Browns history.

Notice....all the young QB's can motor, have the ability to run?

If Marshawn Lynch did make the HOF, (or Frank Gore) can ya imagine the DUH~~~ with their acceptance speech?

Bummer we have no.,....Aaron Rodgers, Odell Beckham, Andrew Luck, Julian Edelman, JJ Watt, Greg Olsen.

Obviously the biggest surprise....Kareem Hunt (Chiefs have had a slew of small school stud RB's in the past)

The first 6-7 weeks is pretty much game to game, the guy is GREAT, the guy SUCKS, ha~~~ now we do start seeing how things really are, right about now.

You're a dumbass. Most young quarterbacks all have some ability to run. The question is are they able to continue to improve their game so they can play into their 30's without having to run.

[Avante]

A dumbass tries to sell a middle school kid running faster than WORLD CLASS sprinters, hahahaha~~~~ Fucking liar.


Stupid, do you watch NCAA football at all? NO....not all those QB's are mobile, ok stupid?

[SpursforSix]

A dumbass tries to sell a middle school kid running faster than WORLD CLASS sprinters, hahahaha~~~~ Fucking liar.


Stupid, do you watch NCAA football at all? NO....not all those QB's are mobile, ok stupid?

So you just jumped from NFL quarterbacks to college guys.

[Avante]

So you just jumped from NFL quarterbacks to college guys.

Dude, where does the NFL get it's QB's....well?

Right now if ya knew high school football you'd be seeing the mobile white/black QB's thriving.............now think liar, ok?

[SpursforSix]

Dude, where does the NFL get it's QB's....well?

Right now if ya knew high school football you'd be seeing the mobile white/black QB's thriving.............now think liar, ok?

Here's how this is going to go Sparky. You hump my leg again, and I'm gonna kick your labia. Got it???

[Avante]

Here's how this is going to go Sparky. You hump my leg again, and I'm gonna kick your labia. Got it???

Dude, all you have done today is follow Avante like a teenage girl hot for the drummer, ha~~~~~ You are a sad little shit who constantly gets trolled, and it's fucking funny.


Now here's what you will be doing slick, you will continue to gobble up..."oh no no I'm no pedo".....like the idiot you are. While everyone laughs at your dumb ass...got it?

[SpursforSix]

Dude, all you have done today is follow Avante like a teenage girl hot for the drummer, ha~~~~~ You are a sad little shit who constantly gets trolled, and it's fucking funny.


Now here's what you will be doing slick, you will continue to gobble up..."oh no no I'm no pedo".....like the idiot you are. While everyone laughs at your dumb ass...got it?

Here's how it's gonna go....I'm like Jack Reacher...yep...big dude...
you're like Webster...yep...small black pedo.

You think Webster would ever step to Reacher in real life????? nope

[spurraider21]

Also Tom Cruise was a perfect casting choice for Jack reacher. Anyone who's read the books would agree, yep.

[Avante]

Here's how it's gonna go....I'm like Jack Reacher...yep...big dude...
you're like Webster...yep...small black pedo.

You think Webster would ever step to Reacher in real life????? nope

Then ya wonder why I make fun of ya.

[Avante]

Also Tom Cruise was a perfect casting choice for Jack reacher. Anyone who's read the books would agree, yep.

Dude, why do you always try and talk about things you know....0....about? Real bad habit of yours.

Hell.....

A few years ago I pick up this book at a yard sale by Lee Child.

old lady having the sale.....you'd love him, his hero is a big guy like you.

That was 19 Jack Reacher novels ago.

All thru the stories the size of Reacher 6-5 250 is part of it....ok? Only a fool wouldn't get a guy no bigger than Cruise makes a ridiculous Jack Reacher. Not unlike John Wayne playing Ghangis Khan, which he did. Imagine Tony "Tiny" Lister playing Prince....ha~~~ Lister is massive.

[Avante]

A few things we can put to rest now.

No Cam Newton isn't better than Russell Wilson.

Yes Tom Brady is THE GOAT.

Adrian Peterson is a spoiled brat.

Colin Kaepernick didn't know what was going to happen to him, really?

Tyreek Hill is the fastest player in the NFL. There is nobody in the league he couldn't beat at 100m.

Carson Wentz the best QB eve out of North Dalota State.

Joe Flacco has seen his better days.

The Browns, hahahaha~~~~~

Tarik Cohen has some serious shakes.

NEVER....put too much into the first few weeks of a new season. Tom Savage....hahahahaha~~~~

[SpursforSix]

Dude, why do you always try and talk about things you know....0....about? Real bad habit of yours.

Hell.....

A few years ago I pick up this book at a yard sale by Lee Child.

old lady having the sale.....you'd love him, his hero is a big guy like you.

That was 19 Jack Reacher novels ago.

All thru the stories the size of Reacher 6-5 250 is part of it....ok? Only a fool wouldn't get a guy no bigger than Cruise makes a ridiculous Jack Reacher. Not unlike John Wayne playing Ghangis Khan, which he did. Imagine Tony "Tiny" Lister playing Prince....ha~~~ Lister is massive.


So...you picked up a Child at a yard sale?

[SpursforSix]

So who would you suggest play Jack Reacher? Arnold??

[SpursforSix]

Also Tom Cruise was a perfect casting choice for Jack reacher. Anyone who's read the books would agree, yep.

Yep. Reacher's size was in his mind. He was shortish...pettite even.

[Avante]

So...you picked up a Child at a yard sale?

My God guy, you cannot be this fucked up?

[Avante]

So who would you suggest play Jack Reacher? Arnold??

David Bautista would be perfect.

[Avante]

Yep. Reacher's size was in his mind. He was shortish...pettite even.

Dumb as a rock ain't ya?



Name
Born
Measurements
Hair
Eyes
Clothing



Jack Reacher
October 29
6'5", 220-250 lbs., 50" chest
Dirty-blond
Ice Blue
3XLT coat, 95 cm. pants' inseam

[Avante]

How about...

Eagles
Seahawks
Saints
Vikes
Rams
Cowboys

and

Chiefs
Texans
Pats
Steelers
Bills
Jags


no?

[Pelicans78]

How about...

Eagles
Seahawks
Saints
Vikes
Rams
Cowboys

and

Chiefs
Texans
Pats
Steelers
Bills
Jags


no?

Are these your playoff teams or Super Bowl contenders?

[Avante]

Are these your playoff teams or Super Bowl contenders?

With a team from every division there and the 12, I did assume the obvious.

[SpursforSix]

David Bautista would be perfect.

you think Hollywood is going to cast David Batista?

Did you even see the Reacher movie? Cruise was fine. No one in the world watched the show and thought..."fuck...Reacher is a big guy...this sucks".

[Avante]

Just think the best QB/RB/WR for the Cleveland Browns are oldies but goodies....Otto Graham, Jim Brown, Paul Warfield.

A real case can be mAde that Sid Luckman from way back was the best Chicago Bears (been there forever) QB.

"Slingin' " Sammy Baugh is still the best punter in NFL history, imagine a QB punting today.

We will never see another "starting" running back do what Gale Sayers did on punt/kick returns.

Imagine a cornerback having 14 INT's in his rookie season....Night Train Lane.

Imagine a linebacker picking a QB up and then drilling him into the ground........Dick Butkus.

[Avante]

you think Hollywood is going to cast David Batista?

Did you even see the Reacher movie? Cruise was fine. No one in the world watched the show and thought..."fuck...Reacher is a big guy...this sucks".

You do know Bautista is an actor....right?

Dude, what HUGE fan of Lee Child and his Jack Reacher saga isn't checking out the movies.......dude????

I guarantee EVERYONE who reads the books thought......Tom Cruise is too small to play the 6-5 250 pound Jack Reacher.....guarantee it~~~~

You cannot find one Reacher story where we aren't reminded that here is a big bad dude. It's like a story about Hercules but never talking strength.

[SpursforSix]

You do know Bautista is an actor....right?

Dude, what HUGE fan of Lee Child and his Jack Reacher saga isn't checking out the movies.......dude????

I guarantee EVERYONE who reads the books thought......Tom Cruise is too small to play the 6-5 250 pound Jack Reacher.....guarantee it~~~~

You cannot find one Reacher story where we aren't reminded that here is a big bad dude. It's like a story about Hercules but never talking strength.

No, I didn't know he was an actor. Which is why there is now way Hollywood is going to try to launch a franchise with David Bautista as the star.

So...you did not see the movie. Got it.

[Avante]

No, I didn't know he was an actor. Which is why there is now way Hollywood is going to try to launch a franchise with David Bautista as the star.

So...you did not see the movie. Got it.

Dude, why do you think I had Bautista as Reacher? The guy has played in a dozen movies and would be perfect....ok? Don't you think at all?

Dude, remember the scene in the first movie where he's in the bath tub fighting the two thugs? How about the cute girl who got killed by the one punch of the big guy? Hell yes I saw the movie. Remember the second movie? There sits Reacher in the diner and 4 guys he beat up laying out in the parking lot.....remember.

Dude, you are a total idioit, ya know that?

[SpursforSix]

Dude, why do you think I had Bautista as Reacher? The guy has played in a dozen movies and would be perfect....ok? Don't you think at all?

Dude, remember the scene in the first movie where he's in the bath tub fighting the two thugs? How about the cute girl who got killed by the one punch of the big guy? Hell yes I saw the movie. Remember the second movie? There sits Reacher in the diner and 4 guys he beat up laying out in the parking lot.....remember.

Dude, you are a total idioit, ya know that?

No...I think he'd be awful. Reacher was a smart guy and that was more important that his size. I can't think of any big ass actors that can pull that off.

[Pelicans78]

With a team from every division there and the 12, I did assume the obvious.

I would replace the Bills with the Chargers and the Cowboys with the Redskins.

[Avante]

No...I think he'd be awful. Reacher was a smart guy and that was more important that his size. I can't think of any big ass actors that can pull that off.

Bautista has played a detective type before and was great in that role. The guy has some legit talent and would make a far better Jack Reacher than a guy about 5-9 170.....which is a joke. And what about.....his size is part of it.....don't you get?

Anytime ya try to pull off an actual literary character like a Sherlock Holmes, Fu Manchu, Doc Savage, Dusty Fog (5-6), Conan, Tarzan.....it makes sense to stay as close to the character in the books as ya can. A 5-5 skinny cat playing Conan, Tarzan? A black guy playing Fu Manchu? A short fat guy playing Sherlock Holmes....nay.

[Avante]

I would replace the Bills with the Chargers and the Cowboys with the Redskins.

Ok.

[SpursforSix]

Bautista has played a detective type before and was great in that role. The guy has some legit talent and would make a far better Jack Reacher than a guy about 5-9 170.....which is a joke. And what about.....his size is part of it.....don't you get?

Anytime ya try to pull off an actual literary character like a Sherlock Holmes, Fu Manchu, Doc Savage, Dusty Fog (5-6), Conan, Tarzan.....it makes sense to stay as close to the character in the books as ya can. A 5-5 skinny cat playing Conan, Tarzan? A black guy playing Fu Manchu? A short fat guy playing Sherlock Holmes....nay.

You just named off a bunch of books that everyone knows. You're comparing those authors to...Lee Child????
The Reacher movies were pretty good. I doubt anyone in the audience were wishing that they would have cast The Rock instead of Tom Cruise.

[Avante]

You just named off a bunch of books that everyone knows. You're comparing those authors to...Lee Child????
The Reacher movies were pretty good. I doubt anyone in the audience were wishing that they would have cast The Rock instead of Tom Cruise.

Not getting this at all are you?

Work with me here, ok?

YES....a huge % of those who went to see a JACK REACHER movie know the character, they have read the books, they are a fan....ok? To read all about how this BIG dude just bulldozes his way thru life IS the story....ok? To see a little guy try and BULLDOZE.....hahahahaha~~~~

I wonder about ya little guy.

Sure for those with no clue who Jack Reacher is....................................

This from page 5 of "Night School"

Reacher did, on a visitor chair with tubular legs which sagged under his weight.

Dude, this sort of thing is all over the books, the fact this is a big guy is a major factor.....ok? Ya can't take this out of it and stay true to just who is Jack Reacher. I know, ya don't understand. The Lone Ranger without a mask? Batman without all his gadgets? Superman with no problems with Kyptonite? A 6-4 230 pound....Napolean?

[SpursforSix]

Not getting this at all are you?

Work with me here, ok?

YES....a huge % of those who went to see a JACK REACHER movie know the character, they have read the books, they are a fan....ok? To read all about how this BIG dude just bulldozes his way thru life IS the story....ok? To see a little guy try and BULLDOZE.....hahahahaha~~~~

I wonder about ya little guy.

Sure for those with no clue who Jack Reacher is....................................

This from page 5 of "Night School"

Reacher did, on a visitor chair with tubular legs which sagged under his weight.

Dude, this sort of thing is all over the books, the fact this is a big guy is a major factor.....ok? Ya can't take this out of it and stay true to just who is Jack Reacher. I know, ya don't understand. The Lone Ranger without a mask? Batman without all his gadgets? Superman with no problems with Kyptonite? A 6-4 230 pound....Napolean?

No one gives a shit about it at the movies. Most reviewers said the movie was better than the book.

[Avante]

No one gives a shit about it at the movies. Most reviewers said the movie was better than the book.

Dude, who have you actually talked to about this, yep.....nobody. So why lie? You don't have a clue what other people were thinking so why act stupid? And no the movie was not better than the book.

Stupid, anytime a movie is about a literary character ya can't just go off into your own thing, ok? You MUST try and stay true to who this character is. Simply.......................COMMON SENSE. Have Tom Cruise play Superman or Tarzan.....why not? Well Reacher is bigger than they are.

[Avante]

When Wilson was winning with BEAST MODE, it was the RB. Now he has NO running backs NO o line but is STILL winning.....hahahaha~~~~

This is funny.....it was BEAST MODE I tell ya (then he leaves) ...it's that DEFENSE I tell ya (they been giving up points)...it's those RECEIVERS I tel ya.....what never changes, yep....RUSSELL WILSON. How could anyone not get this? Now the guy has to throw, try......63.6 comp %, over 2,000 yards, three times TD/INT ratio and a 100.4 QB rating....yep.....STUD~~~~ Oh yeah, and he can run.

Guy left Wisconsin as the ALL TIME NCAA single season passing efficency leader. He then walked right in and took over. Since then he has won more games than any QB in history with the same experience. His career has been the best we have ever seen with the same amount of experience, only some know nothing wouldn't gt it.

Just watch the guy play, he's amazing.


I challenge anyone to find a QB who with the same experience who accomplished more when talking wins, playoffs, records, stats. WHO??????????

So all you morons who play this stupid....Struggle....bullshit, why not show me the QB who did it better with the same amount of experience, yep;.....ya can't~~~~

[Avante]

Every single game we see the refs....wrong. Just think of of all those ganes before instant replay that would have been different if they'd had instant replay back in the 20's.

[SpursforSix]

Dude, who have you actually talked to about this, yep.....nobody. So why lie? You don't have a clue what other people were thinking so why act stupid? And no the movie was not better than the book.

Stupid, anytime a movie is about a literary character ya can't just go off into your own thing, ok? You MUST try and stay true to who this character is. Simply.......................COMMON SENSE. Have Tom Cruise play Superman or Tarzan.....why not? Well Reacher is bigger than they are.

Why'd you even watch the movie if you knew it was going to bug you?

Most of the world is now going to know Jack Reacher as a small guy. But super tough.

Live with it.

[Avante]

Why'd you even watch the movie if you knew it was going to bug you?

Most of the world is now going to know Jack Reacher as a small guy. But super tough.

Live with it.

Imagine most the world picking up a Jack Reacher novel then read.....at 6-5 250 Reacher never had to......yep, WHAT????


Everybody familiar with the character knows the joke that was Tom Cruise playing the HUGE Jack Reacher, if you're too damn stupid to get this, why am I not surprised?

[SpursforSix]

Imagine most the world picking up a Jack Reacher novel then read.....at 6-5 250 Reacher never had to......yep, WHAT????


Everybody familiar with the character knows the joke that was Tom Cruise playing the HUGE Jack Reacher, if you're too damn stupid to get this, why am I not surprised?

Anyone not surprised that they fucked a child is likely not going to be surprised by anything.

[Avante]

Anyone not surprised that they fucked a child is likely not going to be surprised by anything.

That coming from somebody so damn stupid they actually think anyone would believe some middle school kid is running a WORLD CLASS 20.00, hahahhaha~~~~ Dude, you are a fucking liar, got it bitch?

EVERYBODY...who knows about the military and bars gets it, only dummies like you don't ok stupid? Nobody is messing with any kids if I'm around, you got that asshole?

Stupid, did ya see Tyreek Hill tonight? Did ya hear them go on and on about how fast he is? While in HS he ran a sizzlin' 20.14....ok stupid? That was the second fastest HS time in history, now think ya dumb fuck, ok?

[Avante]

How in the hell can the Seahawks STILL be winning without....BEAST MODE? Ayone ever notice just how great a passer Russell Wilson really is? And if not for BEAST MODE holding him back, what he would have accomplished just like he is right now with no running game.

If ya watch any of those football talk shows how may times have ya heard somebody brag about Russell Wilson? How could anyone not get this?

How many QB 's have three times more TD's than INT's? How many have won as many games as he has so quickly? How many have always had over 60% comp %? How many QB's own a slew of NFL firsts with his amount of experience?

[Avante]

So I'm watching one of the many college football games last Saturday, think it was last Saturday. I notice this huge cat out there, a 6-10....TE.....think about that. Hell, just take a step over the goal line and turn around. Yep, throw it high.

So who can give me the name of that other 6-10 TE who played pro football?

[SpursforSix]

So I'm watching one of the many college football games last Saturday, think it was last Saturday. I notice this huge cat out there, a 6-10....TE.....think about that. Hell, just take a step over the goal line and turn around. Yep, throw it high.

So who can give me the name of that other 6-10 TE who played pro football?

What do you mean the "other" 6'10" TE that played in the NFL? You haven't even given us one. If you knew jack shit, you'd know there's only been one NFL TE that was that tall.

[Avante]

What do you mean the "other" 6'10" TE that played in the NFL? You haven't even given us one. If you knew jack shit, you'd know there's only been one NFL TE that was that tall.

I'll try again...


So who can give me the name of that other 6-10 TE? He played in the NFL.

Better?

Dude, when does it hit you that I was into this stuff before there were the Dallas Cowboys and the AFL? Do I know....jack shit..hahahaha`~~~ I know more about every team in the league than the fans of those teams.....trust me.

Remember RB Charlie Smith with your Raiders, of course not. How about Olympian Irving "Bo" Roberson? The great Warren Wells?

Does Avante know jack shit......hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~

Dude, remember this?

West

Dallas Texans
Los Angeles Chargers
Oakland Raiders
Denver Broncos

East

New York Titans
Buffalo Bills
Boston Patriots
Houston Oilers

I know, huh???? Who did stubby 5-5 fullback Charlie Tolar play for? He was the franchise first 1000 yard rusher.

Dude, why fight it like ya do? Ya pick up a lot of..stuff....from 1949-2017, honest.

[SpursforSix]

I'll try again...


So who can give me the name of that other 6-10 TE? He played in the NFL.

Better?

Dude, when does it hit you that I was into this stuff before there were the Dallas Cowboys and the AFL? Do I know....jack shit..hahahaha`~~~ I know more about every team in the league than the fans of those teams.....trust me.

Remember RB Charlie Smith with your Raiders, of course not. How about Olympian Irving "Bo" Roberson? The great Warren Wells?

Does Avante know jack shit......hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~

now you're implying that there have only been two 6'10" tight ends. Which is wrong also.

do you ever get something right?

[SpursforSix]

And by the way...if you knew anything you would have known that there have been more than one 6'10" tight end in the NFL.

Old Spursforsix has you runnin around in circles

[Avante]

now you're implying that there have only been two 6'10" tight ends. Which is wrong also.

do you ever get something right?

Dude, why act stupid? You don't know anyone who knows more about this stuff than Avante and you know that. So why act stupid?

[SpursforSix]

It never fails to amaze me.

You guys look at the Avante character once again getting things wrong. I have fun with this. Being an expert.

[Avante]

And by the way...if you knew anything you would have known that there have been more than one 6'10" tight end in the NFL.

Old Spursforsix has you runnin around in circles

I only know of one, so who were they?

[SpursforSix]

Dude, why act stupid? You don't know anyone who knows more about this stuff than Avante and you know that. So why act stupid?

You've already been wrong twice in your last few posts. You should give this football talk a rest. Stick to things you know like farts and diarrea.

[Avante]

It never fails to amaze me.

You guys look at the Avante character once again getting things wrong. I have fun with this. Being an expert.

As you once again fail to ever give.....names.

[Avante]

You've already been wrong twice in your last few posts. You should give this football talk a rest. Stick to things you know like farts and diarrea.

Dude.....names....ok?

Watch this freak NEVER give....names.

[SpursforSix]

I only know of one, so who were they?

It was kind of a trick question. The first one is easy...Stroud. The second wasn't primarily a TE but he was used in that capacity at times. Want to try your luck or do you give up Skippy?

[Avante]

It was kind of a trick question. The first one is easy...Stroud. The second wasn't primarily a TE but he was used in that capacity at times. Want to try your luck or do you give up Skippy?

Dude, cool the Skippy bullshit and unless the guy is listed as a ...TE....he isn't, ok? No more than a RB who throws a few passes like Marcus Allen, no he wasn't a QB because of a few passes.

So as usual....WRONG~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~

[SpursforSix]

Dude, cool the Skippy bullshit and unless the guy is listed as a ...TE....he isn't, ok? No more than a RB who throws a few passes like Marcus Allen, no he wasn't a QB because of a few passes.

So as usual....WRONG~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~

Nope. I'm right. You should stop your bullshit and listen once in a while.

[Avante]

Nope. I'm right. You should stop your bullshit and listen once in a while.

Dude, are you really as far gone as you appear? Thinking some kid can run a 20.00 and now this....wow? Dude, FB/RB/TE/WR line up all over the place...ok? That doesn't mean they become another position, ok stupid?

Stupid, unless the guy was on the team as one of it's TE's.............he wasn't a TE, got it dummy?

Dude......when looking for the tallest. Notice only.....one....at 6-10.

Tight End: Morris Stroud




Leonard Pope is largely considered the tallest TE in the NFL today at 6'8". However, he is not.
That distinction goes to Morris Stroud, the 6'10" TE drafted out of Clark Atlanta by the Kansas City Chiefs in the third round of the 1969 NFL Draft.
In his five-year career, he would obtain 54 receptions for 977 receiving yards (18.1 yards per reception!) and 7 TDs.

[Avante]

Imagine being so fast you are thrown the ball underneah on the last play of a half. Wow~~~~ AND...to make it work....whoa~~~

Tyreek Hill is the only current player (Marvin Bracey an Olympian was cut) in the NFL with legit...world class sprint speed. If he'd stayed in track he had a great shot at making our 200m team at the Worlds. The thing about Hill is he has long range speed, a 100m is nothing for him. So he will just run away from any football players.

[Avante]

Would ya believe....

The Niners WR Marquise Goodwin holds the high school long jump record?

The Rams WR Robert Woods was the top HS 400m sprinter in the nation?

The Rams Sammy Watkins was a Florida State HS 200m champ?

Tyreek Hill was the Big12 60m champ while at Oklahoma State?

When the great Bullet Bob Hayes was catching passes for the Cowboys there were two other players in the NFL who had beaten him in a sprint?

There are more than a dozen NFLers with roots to....Haiti?

The best punter in NFL history is in the HOF as a QB?

There have been at least 20 Olympians play in the NFL?

[Mitch]

Would ya believe....

The Niners WR Marquise Goodwin holds the high school long jump record?

The Rams WR Robert Woods was the top HS 400m sprinter in the nation?

The Rams Sammy Watkins was a Florida State HS 200m champ?

Tyreek Hill was the Big12 60m champ while at Oklahoma State?

When the great Bullet Bob Hayes was catching passes for the Cowboys there were two other players in the NFL who had beaten him in a sprint?

There are more than a dozen NFLers with roots to....Haiti?

The best punter in NFL history is in the HOF as a QB?

There have been at least 20 Olympians play in the NFL?

Raw athletic ability really translates well to NFL, tbh. That's where the money is if you're good, not track & field, and money is what's on most of these kids minds starting out.

[Avante]

Raw athletic ability really translates well to NFL, tbh. That's where the money is if you're good, not track & field, and money is what's on most of these kids minds starting out.

Blacks have that size WITH speed, and a whole other level of agility,quicks and elusiveness. Yep, perfect for football. And yes, the big $$$$$$$ is in football not track. BUT....the great tracksters (small %) do travel the world and make "good" $$$$$$. Obviously Usain Bolt is an exception to all the rules.

[Avante]

I predict...

Tommorrow night we will hear....

he's just magical
only QB in the league capable of that
wow~~~
nobody does that better

Or similiar type stuff talking about the great Russell Wilson.

Hopefully they show some of his NFL records.

[johnsmith]

I predict...

Tommorrow night we will hear....

he's just magical
only QB in the league capable of that
wow~~~
nobody does that better

Or similiar type stuff talking about the great Russell Wilson.

Hopefully they show some of his NFL records.

No question that you pop a little blue pill before the game too because you’re gonna rub one out every time the crew gushes over him. You sick fuck.

[Clipper Nation]

I predict...

Tommorrow night we will hear....

he's just magical
only QB in the league capable of that
wow~~~
nobody does that better

Or similiar type stuff talking about the great Russell Wilson.

Hopefully they show some of his NFL records.
Then, come playoff time...

"The Seahawks' offense is really struggling right now."
"Wilson drops back, throws... INTERCEPTED!"
"Seattle can only hope their defense keeps them in this game."

[Avante]

Then, come playoff time...

"The Seahawks' offense is really struggling right now."
"Wilson drops back, throws... INTERCEPTED!"
"Seattle can only hope their defense keeps them in this game."

Why don't you take a few minutes and actually find Wilson's playoff stats, ok?

[Avante]

It like two different worlds.

When ya listen to all the talk shows cats, it's...Russell Wilson is great, amazing. Then here with all these know nothings its....Struggle.

Why don't you little shits actually bone up on this stuff, ok? It's so damn obvious ya simpkt don't know the game. Clipper Nation talking up Tom Savage but running down Russell Wilson...............the classic example of....DUH~~~~

Little shits.

I've seen them all, ok? Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Y.A.Tittle to these cats today, trust me Russell Wilson is fantastic....ok? Anyone not seeing this is stupid, ok?

[Avante]

Wouldn't it be something if Rod Smith played so well during Elliotts suspension they started having him share the carries?

When Thurman Thomas was at Oklahoma State, the great Barry Sanders was there. When USCs Charles White was winning his Heisman, Marcus Allen was a fullback. Hmmmmmmm?

[Avante]

How is Russell Wilson still winning games without BEASTMODE, hell, he has no running game at all, so how is he STILL winning?

[Avante]

I predict...

Tommorrow night we will hear....

he's just magical
only QB in the league capable of that
wow~~~
nobody does that better

Or similiar type stuff talking about the great Russell Wilson.

Hopefully they show some of his NFL records.

Do I know my shit or what?

That scramble play. yep.....he is the only QB today capable of that.

[Pelicans78]

How is Russell Wilson still winning games without BEASTMODE, hell, he has no running game at all, so how is he STILL winning?

He's a really good efficient QB, but if they don't win the division, they're gonna be one and done in the playoffs because there offense won't travel well on the road.

[Darth_Pelican]

He's a really good efficient QB, but if they don't win the division, they're gonna be one and done in the playoffs because there offense won't travel well on the road.

I'd love to play the Seahawks in the dome in the playoffs, especially now that Sherman is out. The Cowboys or a division rival would be much more concerning.

[Avante]

He's a really good efficient QB, but if they don't win the division, they're gonna be one and done in the playoffs because there offense won't travel well on the road.

I totally agree, it takes more than just a QB in the playoffs, especially on the road.

[Avante]

Anyone catch THE HERD today? Colin went on and on and about the greatness of Russell Wilson. Now this guy is 50 years old and a football junkie, how come he sees it same way I do? What did Collinsworth say about Wilson......try...ridiculous, magic arm. Why is everyone on all those sports talk shows go on and on about just how great the guy is, well?


Hell, I can talk about players noboby "here" has ever heard of....trust me. I;ve seen a lot of QB;s, saw Tarkenton running around like Wilson, saw Unitas, and Wilson is right there among the best ever.

[Clipper Nation]

Cowherd has also said that Matt Stafford is better than Aaron Rodgers. He has no credibility.

[Avante]

Cowherd has also said that Matt Stafford is better than Aaron Rodgers. He has no credibility.

Dude, you bragged on what a WR said in Hopkins, remember? You really thought this kid knows anything at all? Dude, you really think Derek Anderson is better than Cam Newton?

Trust me half pint Cowherd would never say....TOM SAVAGE THE BEST QB IN TEXAS PERIOD, or talk about Anderson being better than Cam MVP Newton...ok?

Dude, you know..0...about this stuff, why you even try to talk football is a ...?????? Dude, tell me about Tyreek Hill again and..."hahaha he muffed it"......how damn stupid was that?

[Avante]

Teams where Wilson would take over as the starter tomorrow.

Bears
Packers...now
Vikes
Bucs
Panthers
Falcons
Niners
Cards
Rams
Redskins
Giants
Broncos
Chiefs
Texans
Jags
Colts
Ravens
Bengals
Browns
Bills
Dolphins
Jets

[Clipper Nation]

Dude, you bragged on what a WR said in Hopkins, remember? You really thought this kid knows anything at all?
Yet you tout NFL players' opinions to defend Struggle. Congrats, you've contradicted your own shit takes again.

[Avante]

Yet you tout NFL players' opinions to defend Struggle. Congrats, you've contradicted your own shit takes again.

Dude, Russell Wilson is a multi time pro bowler, an NFL record holder, a Superbowl Champion. If you look at Montana, Marino, Brady, Favre, Rodgers, whoever and compare what they accomplished with the same amount of experience, it's Russell Wilson. Nobody has to defend this guy, ok rookie? And.....what a group of players have to say is a lot different than a QB's receiver......think, ok? My QB sucks......we aren't going to be hearing, ok rookie?

Stupid, what has Tom Savage done, yep...........NOTHING.

How about....yep. blew it with Savage, yep wrong.....ok little man?

[Avante]

When have we seen a faster receiving combo than Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods? Like I said somewhere out there, Woods left HS as the Nations number one 400m cat. but....didn't run track while at USC. Watkins was a Florida State 200m champ, ran a 20.6, which is cooking for a HS kid.

Todd Gurley was a stud hurdler at the HS level. And Tavon Austin was a trackster also.

The best receiving combo ever for the Rams was back in the day with Hall of Famers Tom Fears and "Crazy Legs" Hirsh. But....they didn't have this kind of speed. And TB's Tank Younger and Deacon Dan Towler were power backs nor speedsters. The Rams did have NCAA 100 champ Bob Boyd.

Holt, Bruce and Faulk was dynamic, but not as fast.

Woods went to the same HS as Tom Brady and Lynn Swann. Swann a two time Cali State long jump champ.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHNFdZ7kGLA

[Avante]

After watchig Deon Lewis run back a KO to score, it got me thinking about starting RB's who returned kicks.

When Jim Brown first got in the NFL he ran back a few KO's, what a sight that must have been. A 228 pound kick returner in those days?

Timmy Brown Eagles
Bobby Mitchell Browns....He was the RB to Browns FB.
Brian Westbrook Eagles
Ollie Matson Rams
Gale Sayers Bears
Herschel Walker Generals
Abner Haynes Chiefs
Mercury Morris Dolphins
Terry Metcalf Cards
Eric Metcalf...Browns
Buddy Young...Colts

This team had a fullback and a running back both returned a KO for a score....who?

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The All Time White Offense

Tom Brady
John Riggins
Hugh "Kng" McElhenny
Lance Alworth
Don Hutson
GRONK

Joe Montana
Larry Csonka
Jim Taylor
Don Maynard
Steve Largent
Jason Witten

Peyton Manning
Mike Alstott
Craig James
Fred Biletnikoff
Wes Welker
Mike Ditka

Drew Brees
Paul Hornung
Frank Gifford
Julian Edelman
Tommy McDonald
Dave Casper

[Avante]

A lot of talk tonight about The Killer B's, Big Ben, Bell and Brown.

Well in my football fans days....

Baltimore Colts...all in the Hall of fame.
QB...Johnny Unitas
RB....Lenny Moore....the first great receiving RB
WR...Ray Berry....slow white guy, glue for hands.
TE...John Mackey...why he wasn't a FB???

All in the Hall of Fame.

Steelers...Terry Bradshaw, Franco Harris, John Stallworth, Lynn Swann.
Cowboys...Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin
Bills...Jim Kelly, Thurmon Thomas, Andre Reed

Hall of Famer Dan Fouts had Hall of Famers Kellon Winslow, Charlie Joiner (John Jefferson was better but greed did him in)

Before my time, Hall of Famer Norm Van Brocklin had Hall of Fame receivers Tom Fears and "Crazy Legs" Hirsh. talking Rams.

Hall of Famer Bart Starr had two Hall of Fame RB's in Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung while at Green Bay.

My Niners had Hall of Famer Y.A.Tittle handing off to these Hall of Fame RB's...John Henry Johnson, Joe "The Jet" Perry, Hugh "The King" McElhenny

So when Otto Graham was having his Hall if Fame career,, what fellow Hall of Famers did he play with?

Back in the early days of the AFL the Chargers had....

QB...Tobin Rote
FB...Keith Lincoln
RB...Paul Lowe
WR...Lance Alworth (flanker?)

That was as good as it got at that time.

This ain't bad...

Joe Montana
Roger Craig
Jerry Rice
John Taylor

Or this...

Kurt Warner
Marshall Faulk
Isacc Bruce
Torry Hott

Who can forget...******

Kenny "The Snake" Stabler
Cliff Branch
Fred Belitnikoff
Dave Casper

****** Here we have the classic.....savy QB, one of the fastest humans on the planet, a guy with ran perfect pattens and glue on his hands, and the big lumbering...bang...TE.

[Avante]

Football and modern technology a suck mix. Trying to get things absolutely perfect is ruining the game. Ya can't play this game stopping every series to review a foot in bounds, a spot, a fumble, etc etc. Ya can't get a flow going. It's too herky jeky.

Yep, us lifetime geeks will always be fans no matter what but a guy just getting into it....hmmmm?


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No offensive line, no running backs, yet.....7-4.

A guy running for his life and he STILL wins. Yep, the great Russell Wilson.

Career stats.

comp %...64.3
TD/INT...150/53....this is amazing.
QB rating...98.9

0ver 3000 yards rushing and another 16 TD's.

Add two Superbowls in first six seasons and more wins in history than any QB ....ever.

How could anyone not get this? Imagine where Tom Brady would be behind this o line....yikes~~~ Who could do it better than Russell Wilson?

The great ....athlete....playing QB is what we have in Russell Wilson. Something we can't say about Peyton, Brady, Brees.

[Avante]

It works like this....

Young athletes in a whole new world. Some take a little longer to adjust. Some can't handle the $$$$$$. Some can't handle the fame.

I give guys about three seasons, if heading into year four and things aren't working, ok....problem. To be...sucks...great....after a few weeks, or even a season, what????? I've noticed so many of you just refuse to give things some time............................WHY?????????

O.J.Simpson was looking like a bust, then all of a sudden....BOOM~~~~ Jared Goff was a mistake....right? What happened? Terry Bradshaw was benched how many times?

Does anyone ever think....where will the guy be 4-6 years down the road......??? How many times was James Harrison cut?

[Avante]

Down goes Rodgers, enter....black QB. The hell with Eli Manning, enter.....black QB. Tom Savage is sucking, enter...black QB. Down goes Andrew Luck, enter...black QB.

Hmmmmmm?

We could have...

Cleveland
Indy
TB
Dallas
Green Bay
Seattle
Buffalo
Minnesota
Giants
Carolina
Houston

....all with black QB's in the game. Is this a record?

[Avante]

Always got the feeling Darren McFadde didn't really have any passion for the game. He was happy making his $$$$$$$ being a part time player. Play a few games, miss a few, play a few, miss.............

[Avante]

Dez Bryant just broke the Cowboys WR TD record once held by Bullet Bob Hayes.

Hayes was a footballer (actually a running back) who just happened to be the fastest man on earth. He was no sprinter trying to play football. At 5-11 195 he'd be a powerhouse today and STILL the fastest player in the NFL.

While at Florida A&M (Willie Galimore) his running back partner was Bob Paremore he was a 9.4 cat and ran on the 4x1 team with Hayes (Al Denson a future Bronco WR on the team). We have never seen more speed in any backfield since then.

The Cowboys making a receiver out of The Bullet. He held about a dozen sprint WR's in his day.

Only one white sprinter ever beat Hayes who? Beat him in an indoor 60.

http://trackfield.brinkster.net/Profile.asp?ID=2592&Gender=M&Page=Results.asp&EventCode=MA0

His indoor 60 WR's not listed.

[Darth_Pelican]

Chirp Chirp

[Avante]

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Come in Avante, could ya cool all that and just brag on a team and over react? Run players down over..a...game. That's what we do here, ok? Keep it simple.

By the way who was Bob Hayes?

[spurraider21]

Cluck Cluck

[Avante]

Cluck Cluck

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You were right again, yep, my Raiders not ready for prime time this year. How do ya do that?