Welcome to SA, CP3

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

CP3 wants to win. He's always been a competitor. The Warriors are probably trying to figure out how to sign him as we speak.

The way stars have been aligning for the Warriors Ballmer might go bankrupt before july.

[TD 21]

Over 20 for all of them, maybe 25 at the cheapest.

Jrue might be the best hope.

He turns 27 in June, the perfect age to be with Kawhi. Great size and length, no nightmares over needing to hide him somewhere like Parker and Mills.

And family and off court issues are what seem to be most important to him. Spurs still have Monty Williams, and they were said to be close, so the whole 'Spurs Culture' might be the difference here.

I don't even worry too much about his injury history, I chalk a lot up to the medical team in New Orleans not being up to par and shared with the Saints. Look at Gordon and Ryan Anderson, as soon as they leave, they're healthy all year.

I don't think so. It's similar to the Mills situation, just on a bigger scale: they need to take advantage of his Bird rights, since don't have the means to replace him. Plus, Demps is on thin ice anyway (likely making him less concerned about paying whatever it takes to keep him) and his style of play and personality is probably the best possible fit with Davis and Cousins.

I like how he'd fit with Spurs, but I'd actually rather max out Paul than any other point guard option. Like I said yesterday, if they're going to be in, be all the way in. Don't make all the necessary moves to free up the requisite cap space to spend big on good but not great which isn't going to move the needle.

It's all more than likely moot anyway, since every significant point guard with the possible exception of Lowry, is expected to re-sign.

[objective]

I don't think so. It's similar to the Mills situation, just on a bigger scale: they need to take advantage of his Bird rights, since don't have the means to replace him. Plus, Demps is on thin ice anyway (likely making him less concerned about paying whatever it takes to keep him) and his style of play and personality is probably the best possible fit with Davis and Cousins.

I like how he'd fit with Spurs, but I'd actually rather max out Paul than any other point guard option. Like I said yesterday, if they're going to be in, be all the way in. Don't make all the necessary moves to free up the requisite cap space to spend big on good but not great which isn't going to move the needle.

It's all more than likely moot anyway, since every significant point guard with the possible exception of Lowry, is expected to re-sign.

I think that if Holiday is open to leaving, Spurs would be at the top due to Monty.

New Orleans is really up against it cap and tax wise, and Cousins is a free agent next year looking at what, 30+ million? Dell might be willing to settle on someone he could afford if Holiday leaves in the sub 15 million range like Mills instead of the 25 on Holiday, instead counting on Cousins and Davis to carry the day.

I'd probably rather have Paul also, but considering how he was a part of the new rules that benefit himself, I doubt he takes any paycut.

So if the choice is Paul for 35 or instead Holiday+Dedmon for 35 ....

Give me Holiday and the big.

[TD 21]

I think that if Holiday is open to leaving, Spurs would be at the top due to Monty.

New Orleans is really up against it cap and tax wise, and Cousins is a free agent next year looking at what, 30+ million? Dell might be willing to settle on someone he could afford if Holiday leaves in the sub 15 million range like Mills instead of the 25 on Holiday, instead counting on Cousins and Davis to carry the day.

I'd probably rather have Paul also, but considering how he was a part of the new rules that benefit himself, I doubt he takes any paycut.

So if the choice is Paul for 35 or instead Holiday+Dedmon for 35 ....

Give me Holiday and the big.

Fair enough. I'd generally agree with two instead of one, but not when it's a clear cut top 10 player. That's more important than anything.

Besides, veteran ring chasers are more likely to accept the minimum for a chance to play with Leonard and Paul and there's some options at 29 that could serve as the rim rolling lob threat (including Bell, who could be a plug-and-play option).

I actually think, despite Paul helping to negotiate the new rules that benefit him, he'd consider giving up the 5th year to join the Spurs. The primary reason I don't see him coming is, it would be extremely difficult for the Spurs to carve out max cap space. Gasol is the obvious one, but one of Aldridge or Parker would have to go as well. The former, despite his down season, would still likely be a selling point in the recruitment and the latter, they'd have to be willing to end his tenure (I don't believe they'd do this and considering Paul is good friends with him, I doubt he'd do this) and attact a future protected 1st to salary dump him.

[coachmac87]

Fair enough. I'd generally agree with two instead of one, but not when it's a clear cut top 10 player. That's more important than anything.

Besides, veteran ring chasers are more likely to accept the minimum for a chance to play with Leonard and Paul and there's some options at 29 that could serve as the rim rolling lob threat (including Bell, who could be a plug-and-play option).

I actually think, despite Paul helping to negotiate the new rules that benefit him, he'd consider giving up the 5th year to join the Spurs. The primary reason I don't see him coming is, it would be extremely difficult for the Spurs to carve out max cap space. Gasol is the obvious one, but one of Aldridge or Parker would have to go as well. The former, despite his down season, would still likely be a selling point in the recruitment and the latter, they'd have to be willing to end his tenure (I don't believe they'd do this and considering Paul is good friends with him, I doubt he'd do this) and attact a future protected 1st to salary dump him.


They'd trade LMA before Parker tbh...unless Parker tells them he's done lol.

But would you trade LMA to get Paul? I would without a doubt....

[TD 21]

They'd trade LMA before Parker tbh...unless Parker tells them he's done lol.

But would you trade LMA to get Paul? I would without a doubt....

Of course, but like I said, despite his down season, Aldridge would be one of the selling points for Paul. If he's being dealt with little salary and immediate help coming back and Gasol is being salary dumped, then who's the front line?

And even if Parker is kept, he's still basically done because even if he could be a 15 mpg backup post All-Star break, they wouldn't block Murray in '18-'19 from a rotation spot and they can't play together.

[dabom]

Hope we can get this guy. 2 rings easy.

[dabom]

I hope we don't have snitches on my threads btw. :lol

[coachmac87]

They'd trade LMA before Parker tbh...unless Parker tells them he's done lol.

But would you trade LMA to get Paul? I would without a doubt....

Maybe I'm off or wrong..but I don't think it matters to Paul if LMA is on the team or not. Kawhi, Pop, Culture and getting away from Clipper drama...

But you answered the question yes so maybe you see what I see..??

I want Kawhi and Paul core and fill in the pieces the compliment their game etc...

[spursistan]

Let's just hope this isn't the free agency version of "Kawhi's healed ankle" thread :lol

[dabom]

Let's just hope this isn't the free agency version of "Kawhi's healed ankle" thread :lol


I hope we don't have snitches on my threads btw. :lol

Caught one. :lol

[BatManu20]

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[kaji157]

The reality it's that it's very difficult for the spurs to put up an offer better than a 4 year 80 million contract. Usually that would be competitive, but that is not the case anymore when players can make 200 millions in that span.

[DaBears]

** Its been mentioned sources close to both camps say this will not happen, not due to either party not wanting it, just too much of a money thing... Spurs would need to get rid of a lot of pieces to free up the cash to get him and then more than likely make some sort of trade on other contracts. And that will not make you much of a better squad then what is in place..

Mentioned to make this work in any good scenario things that would need to happen, but wont..

Pau Gasol -- would want to opt out contract
Trade Danny Green
Let go Simmons
Let go Patty
Have Manu retire
restructure TP last yr of contract and spread it over 2-3 seasons.

** I don't see it happening.. Doesn't mean I would like to see it happen, Spurs would just need to give up to much and I am not sure it would be worth it

[TheGreatYacht]

** Its been mentioned sources close to both camps say this will not happen, not due to either party not wanting it, just too much of a money thing... Spurs would need to get rid of a lot of pieces to free up the cash to get him and then more than likely make some sort of trade on other contracts. And that will not make you much of a better squad then what is in place..

Mentioned to make this work in any good scenario things that would need to happen, but wont..

Pau Gasol -- would want to opt out contract
Trade Danny Green
Let go Simmons
Let go Patty
Have Manu retire
restructure TP last yr of contract and spread it over 2-3 seasons.

** I don't see it happening.. Doesn't mean I would like to see it happen, Spurs would just need to give up to much and I am not sure it would be worth it
Link?

[$pursDynasty]

** Its been mentioned sources close to both camps say this will not happen, not due to either party not wanting it, just too much of a money thing... Spurs would need to get rid of a lot of pieces to free up the cash to get him and then more than likely make some sort of trade on other contracts. And that will not make you much of a better squad then what is in place..

Mentioned to make this work in any good scenario things that would need to happen, but wont..

Pau Gasol -- would want to opt out contract
Trade Danny Green
Let go Simmons
Let go Patty
Have Manu retire
restructure TP last yr of contract and spread it over 2-3 seasons.

** I don't see it happening.. Doesn't mean I would like to see it happen, Spurs would just need to give up to much and I am not sure it would be worth it
Now I am a bit confused because I can see where some of that has to happen but not all of it. A) because a privso of this scenario is that he has to take less than the absolute max, B) if it takes all that when he is taking less than the max then how do other teams (ahem Cavs and Dubs) pull it off (picking up FA's when their roster is pretty much stacked with players making a good bit of coin)?

[coachmac87]

** Its been mentioned sources close to both camps say this will not happen, not due to either party not wanting it, just too much of a money thing... Spurs would need to get rid of a lot of pieces to free up the cash to get him and then more than likely make some sort of trade on other contracts. And that will not make you much of a better squad then what is in place..

Mentioned to make this work in any good scenario things that would need to happen, but wont..

Pau Gasol -- would want to opt out contract
Trade Danny Green
Let go Simmons
Let go Patty
Have Manu retire
restructure TP last yr of contract and spread it over 2-3 seasons.

** I don't see it happening.. Doesn't mean I would like to see it happen, Spurs would just need to give up to much and I am not sure it would be worth it


Talking out ya ass

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Talking out ya ass

He's not - pretty much all of these need to happen for the Spurs to have enough cap space for Paul. They could keep Simmons's cap hold, which is small, though.

[Russ]

http://i67.tinypic.com/29mpypy.jpg

Be careful . . . :lol

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZPrzSyJuyM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omkyWsN33f4

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[coachmac87]

He's not - pretty much all of these need to happen for the Spurs to have enough cap space for Paul. They could keep Simmons's cap hold, which is small, though.

We all know what needs to be done or could be done....

But he's talking out of his ass regarding both sides already came to a conclusion it won't happen....he's full of shit

[Mnky]

Getting rid of Pau Gasols contract goes a long way. It wouldn't be nearly as difficult as people are making it out to be. Tony parker would be the real issue. If they had a chance at CP3, it would likely come at the Parkers expense. which is hard to phantom.

[baseline bum]

Getting rid of Pau Gasols contract goes a long way. It wouldn't be nearly as difficult as people are making it out to be. Tony parker would be the real issue. If they had a chance at CP3, it would likely come at the Parkers expense. which is hard to phantom.

They could create enough capspace to sign Paul by salary dumping Aldridge.

[DaBears]

Now I am a bit confused because I can see where some of that has to happen but not all of it. A) because a privso of this scenario is that he has to take less than the absolute max, B) if it takes all that when he is taking less than the max then how do other teams (ahem Cavs and Dubs) pull it off (picking up FA's when their roster is pretty much stacked with players making a good bit of coin)?

CP3 can get 200+mil if he signs resigns with Clippers, only 140+mil if he signs with any other team.. So the difference in salary is where the other players affected come into play.

[Mnky]

They could create enough capspace to sign Paul by salary dumping Aldridge.

I just dont see the spurs being an attractive place without Aldridge tbh . He had a horrendous playoff run, but at the end of the day he is still by far a better system player than Gasol or likely free agent signings. I think they have to have another notable player for cp3 to be interested. Lma was doing great as the second fiddle that first game. Maybe the experience will help humble him and help him embrace that role more so.


Unless there was a trade such for a Julius randle or someone who can run with cp3, i dont see the loss of Aldridge as a good bargaining chip. We have to have someone outside of kawhi to sell.

[DaBears]

on a different thread topic, I see DROSE as a better fit than CP3... And Rose would certainly be cheaper...

[kaji157]

Offensively Lma has been great when he could second Kawhi along with another solid option behind or at his level, such as Tony has been for spurts.
I am sure Aldridge will be a great player playing loose and behind Kawhi and CP3

[Keepin' it real]

If they had a chance at CP3, it would likely come at the Parkers expense. which is hard to phantom.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c1/Phantomissue12mikebullock.jpg/200px-Phantomissue12mikebullock.jpg?

[MaNu4Tres]

What I don't like about CP3 to SA is his age and how SA will have to say bye to 2 of the best 3 perimeter defenders on the team (DG/JS).

Even though DG/JS are not the player CP3 is on O, their skillsets are rare & extremely valuable vs. perimeter oriented talent that exists on W's/Cavs/HOU. It's more about skill sets than "how many all stars does player A have compared to player B and C or "star status". I hate to give up underrated perimeter defense & defensive versatility for 35.7 mil per year CP3 only bc the window for GREAT CP3 is small due to his age -- going on 33 yrs old. SA better off going w/ Jrue over CP3 for less money (10-15 mil per less than CP3). Plus, Jrue prime timeline matches Kawhi's. Spurs will have longer window to compete w/ Jrue over CP3. Plus won't have to give up as much and they should be able to keep Danny and maybe JS. People want to point at Jrue's injury history, but its not much worse than anyone else -- including CP3. Plus, PATFO have a handle on how to manage players' durability and longevity -- keeping them healthy and fresh. People had the same concerns with Manu and his injuries 10-13 years ago, but look at him -- still kicking ass at 39 when it matters. Plus, they have Murray to kind of help keep Jrue fresh w/out driving Jrue into the ground.

Give me Jrue over CP3.

Maybe Hill for a discount that's cheaper than Jrue.

But hell no for Patty for 12-15 mil. I'm glad Sixers are interested in him. I don't want a 50 mil price tag attached to the Eddie House of the Spurs. I rather have stop gap vet for 1 yr than pay Patty.

[313]

Really don't like anything about CP3 coming here

[DaBears]

Really don't like anything about CP3 coming here

CP3 should stick to layin bricks, because they man cannot nail shit to save his life... #statefarm

[Mnky]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c1/Phantomissue12mikebullock.jpg/200px-Phantomissue12mikebullock.jpg?

:lol

[TD 21]

What I don't like about CP3 to SA is his age and how SA will have to say bye to 2 of the best 3 perimeter defenders on the team (DG/JS).

Even though DG/JS are not the player CP3 is on O, their skillsets are rare & extremely valuable vs. perimeter oriented talent that exists on W's/Cavs/HOU. It's more about skill sets than "how many all stars does player A have compared to player B and C or "star status". I hate to give up underrated perimeter defense & defensive versatility for 35.7 mil per year CP3 only bc the window for GREAT CP3 is small due to his age -- going on 33 yrs old. SA better off going w/ Jrue over CP3 for less money (10-15 mil per). Plus, Jrue prime timeline matches Kawhi's. Spurs will have longer window to compete w/ Jrue over CP3. Plus won't have to give up as much and they should be able to keep Danny and maybe JS.

Give me Jrue over CP3.

Maybe Hill for a discount that's cheaper than Jrue.

But hell no for Patty for 12-15 mil. I'm glad Sixers are interested in him. I don't want a 50 mil price tag attached to the Eddie House of the Spurs. I rather have stop gap vet for 1 yr than pay Patty.

Green isn't being traded. He did them a solid 2 years ago, they probably have a wink-wink agreement to make him whole in '18 and he'd be one of the selling points anyway. Also, there is no viable replacement for the MLE. Sefolosha and Afflalo are the best candidates, but they'd lose significant shooting/spacing with the former and defense with the latter.

This only theoretically works with Gasol and Parker being dumped.

I'd be surprised if Holiday costs more than $10M less than Paul and more important than defensive versatility is star power. No matter how much the game changes, that won't; it'll always be the most important thing and there's a big difference between a top 10 player and a tier below an All-Star one.

The depth concern is being overstated. They'd still have Murray, Bertans, Anderson, the 29th pick, the rights to 2 potential NBA players overseas, MLE, BAE, all picks going forward and would be all the more appealing to ring chasing veterans, willing to take the minimum.

[dabom]

TD 21 going in. :hat

[cd98]

The only way I see CP3 coming here is if the Clippers balk at paying him the $200 million. Maybe they know paying him that money over the next six years will cripple that franchise. If they back off, it opens the door for the Spurs to sign him.

[CGD]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c1/Phantomissue12mikebullock.jpg/200px-Phantomissue12mikebullock.jpg?

https://www.google.com/search?q=phantom+of+the+opera&safe=active&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS718US718&hl=en-US&prmd=vin&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin4YOngYzUAhWDLyYKHSAdDxEQ_AUICigC&biw=375&bih=591&dpr=3#imgrc=khayCCkjnvmWxM:

[TheDoctor]

https://www.google.com/search?q=phantom+of+the+opera&safe=active&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS718US718&hl=en-US&prmd=vin&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin4YOngYzUAhWDLyYKHSAdDxEQ_AUICigC&biw=375&bih=591&dpr=3#imgrc=khayCCkjnvmWxM:

FIFY

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[objective]

LMA + Kawhi + Green + Murray + Bertans + 1st + Duncan stretch +.ljc waive + Parker stretch + 5 roster charges

=

66.5 million if my math is right.

They can get to about 34.5 million by dumping Pau stretching Parker, dumping Kyle, cutting Forbes, and having Milutinov agree to not come over, renouncing Manu, Dedmon, Mike, Lee

Don't really think it's likely, but it's possible.

Have to use the room exception on Hanga, or a big, and get minimum guys like Lee back or splitter or Humphries etc

[Blake]

Thread title sucks

[baseline bum]

What I don't like about CP3 to SA is his age and how SA will have to say bye to 2 of the best 3 perimeter defenders on the team (DG/JS).

Even though DG/JS are not the player CP3 is on O, their skillsets are rare & extremely valuable vs. perimeter oriented talent that exists on W's/Cavs/HOU. It's more about skill sets than "how many all stars does player A have compared to player B and C or "star status". I hate to give up underrated perimeter defense & defensive versatility for 35.7 mil per year CP3 only bc the window for GREAT CP3 is small due to his age -- going on 33 yrs old. SA better off going w/ Jrue over CP3 for less money (10-15 mil per less than CP3). Plus, Jrue prime timeline matches Kawhi's. Spurs will have longer window to compete w/ Jrue over CP3. Plus won't have to give up as much and they should be able to keep Danny and maybe JS. People want to point at Jrue's injury history, but its not much worse than anyone else -- including CP3. Plus, PATFO have a handle on how to manage players' durability and longevity -- keeping them healthy and fresh. People had the same concerns with Manu and his injuries 10-13 years ago, but look at him -- still kicking ass at 39 when it matters. Plus, they have Murray to kind of help keep Jrue fresh w/out driving Jrue into the ground.

Give me Jrue over CP3.

Maybe Hill for a discount that's cheaper than Jrue.

But hell no for Patty for 12-15 mil. I'm glad Sixers are interested in him. I don't want a 50 mil price tag attached to the Eddie House of the Spurs. I rather have stop gap vet for 1 yr than pay Patty.

If they salary dump Aldridge they don't have to trade Green, who would definitely flourish with a point guard like Paul. If they can convince Gasol to opt out for a longer term deal, something like 3 years, $32 million, they can likely bring Simmons back too. It's an extreme longshot that they could both convince Paul to come and convince some sucker to take Aldrdige's contract, but that's what I would be looking to do if I was RC.

[baseline bum]

I just dont see the spurs being an attractive place without Aldridge tbh . He had a horrendous playoff run, but at the end of the day he is still by far a better system player than Gasol or likely free agent signings. I think they have to have another notable player for cp3 to be interested. Lma was doing great as the second fiddle that first game. Maybe the experience will help humble him and help him embrace that role more so.


Unless there was a trade such for a Julius randle or someone who can run with cp3, i dont see the loss of Aldridge as a good bargaining chip. We have to have someone outside of kawhi to sell.

Aldridge can't pass the ball for shit. He's starting to remind me of Antoine Walker: a guy who can bury the other team when his shot is falling but who is no good to his team when it isn't. I'd dump him now even if Paul wasn't coming.

[dabom]

LMA still has value, but I'd prefer to keep him

[jermaine]

How the fuck is golden state an Cavs so stacked but the Spurs can't sign a good pg an sign their own players?

[baseline bum]

LMA still has value, but I'd prefer to keep him

At this point Aldridge is just a little above average NBA player being paid star money. He's gotta go. He's not going to get any better and he's not good enough now.

[baseline bum]

How the fuck is golden state an Cavs so stacked but the Spurs can't sign a good pg an sign their own players?

Because they have Curry signed to a massively below market value contract, because they drafted really well, and because the cap shot way up the year Durant was a free agent.

[TimDunkem]

GSW and Cavs also have versatile stars. You can plug pretty much any minimum guy around them and have a contender. Spurs have a bunch of one-trick ponies and old men on bad contracts.

[TheDoctor]

The Spurs won't dump either D-League or LMA. We are stuck with them til the end of their respective contracts. IMO the one that's most likely to be traded is Gasoft. Depends on what they draft or bring from Europe.

[objective]

LMA + Kawhi + Green + Murray + Bertans + 1st + Duncan stretch +.ljc waive + Parker stretch + 5 roster charges

=

66.5 million if my math is right.

They can get to about 34.5 million by dumping Pau stretching Parker, dumping Kyle, cutting Forbes, and having Milutinov agree to not come over, renouncing Manu, Dedmon, Mike, Lee

Don't really think it's likely, but it's possible.

Have to use the room exception on Hanga, or a big, and get minimum guys like Lee back or splitter or Humphries etc

Keeping Simmons QO gets them to about 33.7 in space. Add in Milutinov, 33.

[dabom]

At this point Aldridge is just a little above average NBA player being paid star money. He's gotta go. He's not going to get any better and he's not good enough now.

Next season he gets paid 3rd banana money. Not even star money. He plays close to the most time next to kawhi in the regular season without injury. He is worth his money.

[TheGreatYacht]

Gasol and D-League are goners

[baseline bum]

Next season he gets paid 3rd banana maney. Not even star money. He plays close to the most time next to kawhi in the regular season without injury. He is worth his money.

I don't think he is worth 1/5th of the cap. He's an empty numbers guy who bogs down the offense. He doesn't give a shit, he comes to camp out of shape. I don't see the upside to keeping him.

[dabom]

I don't think he is worth 1/5th of the cap. He's an empty numbers guy who bogs down the offense. He doesn't give a shit, he comes to camp out of shape. I don't see the upside to keeping him.

He's still a positive impact guy whether you see that or not. He isn't the first option. He's still a better option than anyone on the team besides Kawhi.

[baseline bum]

He's still a positive impact guy whether you see that or not. He isn't the first option. He's still a better option than anyone on the team besides Kawhi.

Statistically he's a little above average NBA player, and man does he fail the eye test too.

[SnakeBoy]

Aldridge can't pass the ball for shit. He's starting to remind me of Antoine Walker: a guy who can bury the other team when his shot is falling but who is no good to his team when it isn't. I'd dump him now even if Paul wasn't coming.

And replace with who?

[Hoops Czar]

Kevin Durant 2.0 thread. :lol Free agency is like Spurstalkers in a candy store.

[tonight...you]

Be careful . . . :lol

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZPrzSyJuyM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omkyWsN33f4

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Lol on that last one with Kawhi with the dumb face... That fool had been dragging this team with him right now and it's to the tune of Conference Finals. Keep LA and give this guy one more dude. One more cat that can say, I got this homie, and the Spurs got this done.

[objective]

If Hayward agrees to go Boston early enough, Hill's price comes down a bit as Utah won't bother to bring him back.

If Hill is gettable at say, 23.5 to start, they can keep Simmons, Kyle, their pick, add Milutinov, sign Hanga and a big starting at least at $4 million using all cap space plus the room exception.

[baseline bum]

And replace with who?

You could throw a max offer at Blake Griffin after salary dumping Aldridge. Or maybe get someone like Ibaka for less money. Or use that money to go out and get a couple of decent guards. This team is going to be so thin in the backcourt as things stand next year. I'd rather pay Gordon Hayward $25 million than Aldridge $21 million. Or if Hayward starts leaning Boston's way maybe the Spurs could step in and steal Avery Bradley from the Celtics to allow them to open up the capspace needed to sign Hayward.

[baseline bum]

If Hayward agrees to go Boston early enough, Hill's price comes down a bit as Utah won't bother to bring him back.

If Hill is gettable at say, 23.5 to start, they can keep Simmons, Kyle, their pick, add Milutinov, sign Hanga and a big starting at least at $4 million using all cap space plus the room exception.

George Hill on a $100 million contract at 31 years old? :vomit:

[pad300]

He's still a positive impact guy whether you see that or not. He isn't the first option. He's still a better option than anyone on the team besides Kawhi.

There a fair amount of statistical evidence to say LaMarcus is not...

PoP48 -1.0 http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/273-lamarcus-aldridge which is to say they estimate that replacing Aldridge with an average guy would result in a net gain of +1 pt 48 minutes to the team.

VORP 1.8 http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html#all_advanced, "A box score estimate of the points per 100 TEAM possessions that a player contributed above a replacement-level (-2.0) player", note that the theoretical replacement player is "a player who is not a normal member of a teams rotation", not an average player

[I. Hustle]

Maybe y'all don't get it, the Spurs are NOT getting rid of LMA under any circumstances.

[Hoops Czar]

George Hill on a $100 million contract at 31 years old? :vomit:


Gordon Hayward in Spurs uniform makes me vomit as well. Oh, and Ibaka in Spurs uni... :lol The Spurs don't need anymore low IQ basketball players. They already have Green.

[Russ]

Maybe y'all don't get it, the Spurs are NOT getting rid of LMA under any circumstances.

They would probably rather let Gasol go.

[I. Hustle]

George Hill on a $100 million contract at 31 years old? :vomit:

I wouldn't give him that at 25 years old.

[I. Hustle]

They would probably rather let Gasol go.

Yeah, I agree. Pau just didn't work. I was really excited but it was too much for him.


I hate this time of year. Everybody talking about "Let's trade Patty Mills for LeBron James, Green for Curry and Kyle Anderson for 90s Jordan."

[dabom]

You could throw a max offer at Blake Griffin after salary dumping Aldridge. Or maybe get someone like Ibaka for less money. Or use that money to go out and get a couple of decent guards. This team is going to be so thin in the backcourt as things stand next year. I'd rather pay Gordon Hayward $25 million than Aldridge $21 million. Or if Hayward starts leaning Boston's way maybe the Spurs could step in and steal Avery Bradley from the Celtics to allow them to open up the capspace needed to sign Hayward.

More lateral moves for more money. :lmao

[baseline bum]

Gordon Hayward in Spurs uniform makes me vomit as well. Oh, and Ibaka in Spurs uni... :lol The Spurs don't need anymore low IQ basketball players. They already have Green.

Yeah Aldridge is Mensa material :lol

[dabom]

There a fair amount of statistical evidence to say LaMarcus is not...

PoP48 -1.0 http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/273-lamarcus-aldridge which is to say they estimate that replacing Aldridge with an average guy would result in a net gain of +1 pt 48 minutes to the team.

VORP 1.8 http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html#all_advanced, "A box score estimate of the points per 100 TEAM possessions that a player contributed above a replacement-level (-2.0) player", note that the theoretical replacement player is "a player who is not a normal member of a teams rotation", not an average player

He plays big minutes vs starters and is rarely injured. That is HUGE. You don't understand how grueling the NBA season is.

[dabom]

I'd rather pay someone big money to theoretically play 75% over 100% of the games than to play 85% and be icy hot.

You win more games with the 75% because you can play around those guys.

[baseline bum]

Maybe y'all don't get it, the Spurs are NOT getting rid of LMA under any circumstances.

Well yeah, who wants that contract for a bigman who can't post James Harden up?

[I. Hustle]

Well yeah, who wants that contract for a bigman who can't post James Harden up?

Nobody. That's what people don't get. STers all think that everyone wants to trade their stars for our 14th or 15th guys. Delusional

[baseline bum]

Nobody. That's what people don't get. STers all think that everyone wants to trade their stars for our 14th or 15th guys. Delusional

What gives me a glimmer of hope is how they got Atlanta to take a broken down Splitter for $9 million at a moment's notice. Lots of retarded GMs in the NBA.

[objective]

George Hill on a $100 million contract at 31 years old? :vomit:


Maybe 3/75

He is an elite 3 point shooter.

17 games post all star break, 48% fg, 43% from three

Jazz were 19 & 2 when he scored at least 19, 7th ranked point guard in PAAC (points above average created).

50% on corner threes post all star.

40% catch and sit threes.

41% on pull ups.

92% percentile pick and roll producer.

EFG % when a defender went under the screen: 91%, #1 in NBA

I think Holliday is probably better for the team with his playmaking and age, but Hill like a much better shooter. You guys want spacing for Kawhi or LMA? Hill is the guy.

Plus he softens the PR hit of stretching Parker, by bringing back a former Spur and pop's favorite player

[pad300]

He plays big minutes vs starters and is rarely injured. That is HUGE. You don't understand how grueling the NBA season is.

There are lots of players who play more minutes than Aldridge. If you're falling behind in those minutes, that's not a good thing. He doesn't get injured because he plays SOFT; he doesn't fight for rebounds, post position

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't think he is worth 1/5th of the cap. He's an empty numbers guy who bogs down the offense. He doesn't give a shit, he comes to camp out of shape. I don't see the upside to keeping him.

baseline bum bringing the cold hard truth to this thread. Gotta find some way to get rid of LaBeta this summer.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What gives me a glimmer of hope is how they got Atlanta to take a broken down Splitter for $9 million at a moment's notice. Lots of retarded GMs in the NBA.

I also think you can find someone who needs more help down low, or more scoring, and can sell them on taking him. His contract is manageable compared to many of the bigs out there, and he can still go get you 20+ a night (or so we should say). I think the Spurs can argue they're building the O around Kawhi and just need to go a different direction. Lots of dumb GMs out there, only need one.

[FkLA]

I mean can you really still consider LMA a max player when the new max is upward of $30 mill/yr? Horford got a 4 yr, $113 mill contract. Ibaka is expected to get upwards of $20 mill per, Blake probably upwards of $30 mill per.

I don't think LMA's contract is that bad in this new CBA, tbh.

[TXstbobcat]

I mean can you really still consider LMA a max player when the new max is upward of $30 mill/yr? Horford got a 4 yr, $113 mill contract. Ibaka is expected to get upwards of $20 mill per, Blake probably upwards of $30 mill per.

I don't think LMA's contract is that bad in this new CBA, tbh.

LMA's salary for next year will be half of what some players will get once they start signing the super max contracts.

[SAGirl]

I mean can you really still consider LMA a max player when the new max is upward of $30 mill/yr? Horford got a 4 yr, $113 mill contract. Ibaka is expected to get upwards of $20 mill per, Blake probably upwards of $30 mill per.

I don't think LMA's contract is that bad in this new CBA, tbh.
When Patty is rumored to be making around $17 mill ... we have to open our eyes.
Lamarcus is fine at that contract. It's not the contract that is problematic but the fact he doesn't have the dog in him. It's going to be up to Kawwi and maybe one or more of the Spurs youngsters grows up.

[coachmac87]

CP3 will make more per year with the Spurs due to state income tax...

Clippers can offer that 5th year tho

[objective]

He only gets the tax break for games played in Texas and Florida.

[Hoops Czar]

When Patty is rumored to be making around $17 mill ... we have to open our eyes.
Lamarcus is fine at that contract. It's not the contract that is problematic but the fact he doesn't have the dog in him. It's going to be up to Kawwi and maybe one or more of the Spurs youngsters grows up.

Maybe in your head.... :lol Any GM that offers Paddy that kind of money would have to enter witness protection soon after.

[Mnky]

Aldridge can't pass the ball for shit. He's starting to remind me of Antoine Walker: a guy who can bury the other team when his shot is falling but who is no good to his team when it isn't. I'd dump him now even if Paul wasn't coming.

Thats why CP3 would be an ideal fit. LMA would never have to have the ball, but would be running with the best pick and pop PG in the league. Paul can do amazing things with the pick and pop, he turned deandre Jordan into a Max player for crying out loud. Blake Griffin developed a shot, simpy because of how open Paul would get him. I have no doubt Aldridge would benefit greatly from a CP3 matchup. He still rebounds and defends at an elite level for a big in the nba.

Not defending his no show in the playoffs, but it is hard to get doubled by the best defense in the league, and know where to go when the rest of the players are scared to get open because they dont want the pressure, and all year tony and kawhi always had the ball. To be honest, he wasnt meant to be in that position at all. The spurs lost BOTH of their ball handlers, and fell apart. Aldridges shooting position is not excused, but the ability to be the PG of the team, I won't bash him too much for since he never got that opportunity all year, let alone in the western conference finals against the best defense in the league.


With all that being said, I believe it's a small chance the spurs get CP3. He would turn the spurs into legitimate threats though. All they needed was one more play maker and/or scorer. Paul is both of those. Losing Gasol, and parker for CP3, wouldn't gut the team to the point of losing legitimacy. But..like I said, small chance.

[BillMc]

Thats why CP3 would be an ideal fit. LMA would never have to have the ball, but would be running with the best pick and pop PG in the league. Paul can do amazing things with the pick and pop, he turned deandre Jordan into a Max player for crying out loud. Blake Griffin developed a shot, simpy because of how open Paul would get him. I have no doubt Aldridge would benefit greatly from a CP3 matchup. He still rebounds and defends at an elite level for a big in the nba.

Not defending his no show in the playoffs, but it is hard to get doubled by the best defense in the league, and know where to go when the rest of the players are scared to get open because they dont want the pressure, and all year tony and kawhi always had the ball. To be honest, he wasnt meant to be in that position at all. The spurs lost BOTH of their ball handlers, and fell apart. Aldridges shooting position is not excused, but the ability to be the PG of the team, I won't bash him too much for since he never got that opportunity all year, let alone in the western conference finals against the best defense in the league.


With all that being said, I believe it's a small chance the spurs get CP3. He would turn the spurs into legitimate threats though. All they needed was one more play maker and/or scorer. Paul is both of those. Losing Gasol, and parker for CP3, wouldn't gut the team to the point of losing legitimacy. But..like I said, small chance.

THis.

Paul would be a win-win for LMA. Someone setting him up, while also pushing him down to #3 option and taking the pressure off. But, also agree it's not gonna happen. As the union head Paul worked too hard to get the extra bucks for stars in his very position. He's not leaving 70 million extra on the table.

[FkLA]

When Patty is rumored to be making around $17 mill ... we have to open our eyes.
Lamarcus is fine at that contract. It's not the contract that is problematic but the fact he doesn't have the dog in him. It's going to be up to Kawwi and maybe one or more of the Spurs youngsters grows up.

As a 1st option, sure. Honestly, he might not even be good enough to be a reliable 2nd option. But he'd make a badass 3rd banana if the Spurs were to land CP3. Love was all empty numbers for much of his career as well, even struggled initially in CLE under his current role, seemed soft, didn't come off as a winner, etc. Yet he's doing allright now. I honestly think LMA would be a better 3rd banana than Love, especially when you factor in defense.

I'd sacrifice anyone outside of Kawhi to land CP3 but LMA would be way down on that list. He definitely wouldn't be the first one I'd sacrifice.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

When Patty is rumored to be making around $17 mill ... we have to open our eyes.
Lamarcus is fine at that contract. It's not the contract that is problematic but the fact he doesn't have the dog in him. It's going to be up to Kawwi and maybe one or more of the Spurs youngsters grows up.

Patty ain't getting 17 million a year :lmao Shouldn't surprise me coming from someone who thinks Kyle would be an All-Star if he just got more run.

[baseline bum]

Thats why CP3 would be an ideal fit. LMA would never have to have the ball, but would be running with the best pick and pop PG in the league. Paul can do amazing things with the pick and pop, he turned deandre Jordan into a Max player for crying out loud. Blake Griffin developed a shot, simpy because of how open Paul would get him. I have no doubt Aldridge would benefit greatly from a CP3 matchup. He still rebounds and defends at an elite level for a big in the nba.

Not defending his no show in the playoffs, but it is hard to get doubled by the best defense in the league, and know where to go when the rest of the players are scared to get open because they dont want the pressure, and all year tony and kawhi always had the ball. To be honest, he wasnt meant to be in that position at all. The spurs lost BOTH of their ball handlers, and fell apart. Aldridges shooting position is not excused, but the ability to be the PG of the team, I won't bash him too much for since he never got that opportunity all year, let alone in the western conference finals against the best defense in the league.


With all that being said, I believe it's a small chance the spurs get CP3. He would turn the spurs into legitimate threats though. All they needed was one more play maker and/or scorer. Paul is both of those. Losing Gasol, and parker for CP3, wouldn't gut the team to the point of losing legitimacy. But..like I said, small chance.

Elite rebounder? :rollin

Aldridge got 7.3 boards a game this year. James Harden got more rebounds this year. An elite rebounding big is Jordan pulling almost 14 a game. Almost double what Softridge put up. That's elite.

Aldridge is pretty average defensively. Once again Jordan is elite defensively, not Aldridge who can't jump more than two inches and doesn't have the work ethic to battle in the paint the way Duncan did on defense. Duncan was elite defensively until that second knee got hurt.

I'm sick of Aldridge's pick and pop game. He's the Vinny Del Negro of bigmen with his long twos. Get in the fucking post and use your size or you're useless. That fucking faggot shot 39% from 10-16 feet and 42% on twos from >16 feet and you want to argue that kind of shit is a strength?

And how is he going to benefit from Paul the way Jordan does? Jordan can jump about 10x as high. How many lobs do you see CP3 connecting on with Aldridge?

[baseline bum]

Not defending his no show in the playoffs, but it is hard to get doubled by the best defense in the league

Is it hard to score on James Harden in single coverage in the post?

[SAGirl]

Maybe in your head.... :lol Any GM that offers Paddy that kind of money would have to enter witness protection soon after.
I am going by media reports frankly. I didn't pull that out of thin air. He's rumored to get interest tween 12-17 mill. I wouldn't take Patty back frankly even in the lower end, but he deserves a payday. Some team will get him a contract in that range.

[ace3g]

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[SAGirl]

Patty ain't getting 17 million a year :lmao Shouldn't surprise me coming from someone who thinks Kyle would be an All-Star if he just got more run.
You are just trolling.
I never said Kyle would be an all-star. He's a roleplayer with a nice all around game. Can do several things well. Is 6'9" 23 years old, rebounds, defends in a team system well, and passes the ball well. Has a high BBiQ and is easy to root for bc he's a team player. I don't just root for stars. I like my roleplayers too.
You hate him and that's fine for you but that is your subjective opinion trolling and exaggerating.

The Patty figure has been prints in the media. I have even seen $20 mill fro. EsPN which is outrageous, but other reports say $12-17 mill is the range.I didn't make that up.

[Em-City]

How does the spurs' max compare to clippers max after state tax has been factored in?

[Mnky]

Is it hard to score on James Harden in single coverage in the post?

It's hard to get doubled by the best defense in the league.

[Mnky]

Elite rebounder? :rollin

Aldridge got 7.3 boards a game this year. James Harden got more rebounds this year. An elite rebounding big is Jordan pulling almost 14 a game. Almost double what Softridge put up. That's elite.

Aldridge is pretty average defensively. Once again Jordan is elite defensively, not Aldridge who can't jump more than two inches and doesn't have the work ethic to battle in the paint the way Duncan did on defense. Duncan was elite defensively until that second knee got hurt.

I'm sick of Aldridge's pick and pop game. He's the Vinny Del Negro of bigmen with his long twos. Get in the fucking post and use your size or you're useless. That fucking faggot shot 39% from 10-16 feet and 42% on twos from >16 feet and you want to argue that kind of shit is a strength?

And how is he going to benefit from Paul the way Jordan does? Jordan can jump about 10x as high. How many lobs do you see CP3 connecting on with Aldridge?

Due to kawhi and parker being ball dependant he spent plenty of time outside the rebounding area. He was consistently drawn out on offense, and on defense his defender usually dis the same. Can you honestly remember anyone lighting the spurs up with post on Aldridge? Outside of Memphis, who is the besss post team in the league, who else ? Not really anyone. Not taking into account the horrible shooting percentage games the spurs gave up. What's left to rebound when the other team doesn't miss

The defense was a top defense. Aldridge was a huge part of it.

You dont have to like him, no one does. He still rebounded and defended well. Thats why the spurs were as good as they were. He imploded horribly on offense and showed he cant be the no 1. Doesn't change the other aspects of his game.

[baseline bum]

It's hard to get doubled by the best defense in the league.

He was shit against Houston most of the series and couldn't punish James Harden in the post. :lol

[baseline bum]

Due to kawhi and parker being ball dependant he spent plenty of time outside the rebounding area. He was consistently drawn out on offense, and on defense his defender usually dis the same. Can you honestly remember anyone lighting the spurs up with post on Aldridge? Outside of Memphis, who is the besss post team in the league, who else ? Not really anyone. Not taking into account the horrible shooting percentage games the spurs gave up. What's left to rebound when the other team doesn't miss

The defense was a top defense. Aldridge was a huge part of it.

You dont have to like him, no one does. He still rebounded and defended well. Thats why the spurs were as good as they were. He imploded horribly on offense and showed he cant be the no 1. Doesn't change the other aspects of his game.

Bunch of excuses. His offensive implosion showed he's not a good #2. It's like you only want to talk about the Golden State series when he was crap the entire year and playoffs. :lmao at 7.3 rebounds a game being elite.

[Mnky]

Bunch of excuses. His offensive implosion showed he's not a good #2. It's like you only want to talk about the Golden State series when he was crap the entire year and playoffs. :lmao at 7.3 rebounds a game being elite.

I said he proved he cant carry a team. I even pointed out he had a horirble playoffs offensively. Those are the reasons, not the excuses.. I think youre too emotionally invested in that loss still. :lol

I want chris paul, because Aldridge has shown he wont carry the team. I'm advocating getting help.

What can you get for him when his stock is so low? I've said id take a Julius randle trade.

I'm just being realistic. Spurs were the second best team with Leonard this year. Arguably the best. He was a part of it.

Just like he was a big part of why the spurs imploded when kawhi went down.

People dont rebound the same as yesteryear. He's still good at it. Not elite? Thats cool, i can get behind that. I think you're grasping at straws though to avoid the main argument.

[Mnky]

He was shit against Houston most of the series and couldn't punish James Harden in the post. :lol

No one is arguing this. :lol

Youre one of these posters who creates an argument out of thin air by stating something obvious,and attempting to make it part of the argument.


LMA was a big part of the strong season. He would play well with cp3, cuz cp3 would make the game as easy as possible for him, which works since he seems to struggle against tough games.

Pretty simple.

[look_at_g_shred]

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[Uriel]

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Where there's smoke…

[Joseph Kony]

CP3 is probably using this to pressure the Clips to make some moves. I wonder how Blake's FA decision will tie into this

[look_at_g_shred]

Man Rumors haven't been this heavy since LMA in '15

[TheGreatYacht]

Is it happening?

[kaji157]

Is it possible for us to sign and trade Patty for George Hill?

[kaji157]

It's obvious that if lma had anything to say in this matter he would push for a cp3 signing.

[baseline bum]

I said he proved he cant carry a team. I even pointed out he had a horirble playoffs offensively. Those are the reasons, not the excuses.. I think youre too emotionally invested in that loss still. :lol

I want chris paul, because Aldridge has shown he wont carry the team. I'm advocating getting help.

What can you get for him when his stock is so low? I've said id take a Julius randle trade.

I'm just being realistic. Spurs were the second best team with Leonard this year. Arguably the best. He was a part of it.

Just like he was a big part of why the spurs imploded when kawhi went down.

People dont rebound the same as yesteryear. He's still good at it. Not elite? Thats cool, i can get behind that. I think you're grasping at straws though to avoid the main argument.

The Spurs were the second best team in the league because of Leonard. Aldridge is like Dale Ellis was on the early 90s Spurs. A name who put up some empty stats but could never be relied on to get you a basket when it mattered. I want Chris Paul too. The only realistic way to open up $32 million or so in capspace to get him is to salary dump Aldridge. You can't trade him for Julius Randle, it doesn't get you the money needed to sign Paul. Trading Gasol doesn't get you there. But if you salary dump Aldridge and get Gasol to opt out for a larger long term deal with a lower base salary you can add Paul, keep Green and Simmons, and have a really strong backcourt rotation. Or if not you add CP3 and lose Simmons.

[cd98]

CP3 is probably using this to pressure the Clips to make some moves. I wonder how Blake's FA decision will tie into this

Not likely. They are cash strapped and would be over $300,000,000 just to bring the same team back. Even letting Griffin walk won't give them enough relief to pay another star quality player. They are maxed out on what they can sign and I don't think they even have a first round pick, though I'm not sure. The bigger question is do they want to invest $200,000,000 in Chris Paul from age 32 to 38. That's what he'll be demanding to re-sign and only the Clippers can pay him that much.

[baseline bum]

I said he proved he cant carry a team. I even pointed out he had a horirble playoffs offensively. Those are the reasons, not the excuses.. I think youre too emotionally invested in that loss still. :lol


You're being a retard. I have been calling for the team to dump Aldridge since early in the Houston series. You keep bringing up Golden State even though I keep saying the guy is a bitch because he couldn't even score on the Rockets and their horrible defense. A bigman who can't fucking postup James Harden.

And you keep making these strawman arguments. No one expects Aldridge to carry the team. They expect him to be a reliable second option, and he isn't.

[Ditty]

This is a win now league, especially with Kawhi at the beginning of his prime & Aldridge coming up at the end of his. Spurs would be unbelievable with CP3 for at least the next two seasons with CP3 and Murray off the bench. In crunch time go with Murray at the two, and CP3 at the one. Two point guards that can get in the paint, defend and have the ability to pass very well & create. Aldridge would benefit very well especially mid range with CP3, and take some pressure off Kawhi.

Aldridge
Kawhi
Green
Murray
Paul

:wow

[baseline bum]

This is a win now league, especially with Kawhi at the beginning of his prime & Aldridge coming up at the end of his. Spurs would be unbelievable with CP3 for at least the next two seasons with CP3 and Murray off the bench. In crunch time go with Murray at the two, and CP3 at the one. Two point guards that can get in the paint, defend and have the ability to pass very well & create. Aldridge would benefit very well especially mid range with CP3, and take some pressure off Kawhi.

Aldridge
Kawhi
Green
Murray
Paul

:wow

That lineup isn't possible. To fit CP3's salary in while dumping Gasol you would have to salary dump Green too. Unless you think the Spurs would salary dump Parker with Gasol.

[Ditty]

That lineup isn't possible. To fit CP3's salary in while dumping Gasol you would have to salary dump Green too. Unless you think the Spurs would salary dump Parker with Gasol.

I thought the Spurs would have enough if they salary dumped Gasol, Jean-Charles, Forbes & possibly Kyle Anderson. Renounced all their free agents, and Dedmon & Lee don't opt in. Maybe I have the starting salary for Chris off.

[PopTheGOAT]

This is a win now league, especially with Kawhi at the beginning of his prime & Aldridge coming up at the end of his. Spurs would be unbelievable with CP3 for at least the next two seasons with CP3 and Murray off the bench. In crunch time go with Murray at the two, and CP3 at the one. Two point guards that can get in the paint, defend and have the ability to pass very well & create. Aldridge would benefit very well especially mid range with CP3, and take some pressure off Kawhi.

Aldridge
Kawhi
Green
Murray
Paul

:wow
Good chance Green is gone if we sign CP3. As would Gasol (good), Patty, Simmons. So the bench would be Murray, Bertans, Anderson, and some scrubs. The ONLY WAY I'd want CP3 is if he takes a crazy pay cut. Like 4/80-100. Our depth would be absolutely pathetic, otherwise.

[baseline bum]

I thought the Spurs would have enough if they salary dumped Gasol, Jean-Charles, Forbes & possibly Kyle Anderson. Renounced all their free agents, and Dedmon & Lee don't opt in. Maybe I have the starting salary for Chris off.

I can't imagine anyone taking Livio Jean-Charles. Dedmon will opt out but I doubt Lee does after his injury. I could see someone taking Anderson and $2 million, but you dump Forbes and you're only saving maybe $350,000 capspace since you'll get hit with a cap hold for an empty roster spot under 12. If you can dump Anderson and Gasol together but Lee opts in and Dedmon opts out you're still $2.5 million over the cap if you offer Paul something like $32 million starting after factoring in cap holds for empty roster spots under 12. You dump Forbes and you're around $2 million or so over.

[kaji157]

If the spurs could bring in cp3 giving up Green, Parker and Gasol we would have a potential big 4 if Simmons can keep it up.
We would only need to add a veteran 3&d guy that most likely will come as a ring chaser. As would for any other position we might need.
But for us to get that serious contender image we would have have to let go of Parker. And show players around the league we are carrying no dead weight.

[baseline bum]

Good chance Green is gone if we sign CP3. As would Gasol (good), Patty, Simmons. So the bench would be Murray, Bertans, Anderson, and some scrubs. The ONLY WAY I'd want CP3 is if he takes a crazy pay cut. Like 4/80-100. Our depth would be absolutely pathetic, otherwise.

I really don't want Green out if the Spurs can land Paul. He'd be getting tons of great looks off penetration like he did 2013-15 when Parker could get to the basket. I would take Green + Simmons + Gasol over Aldridge alone any day, and the former would be possible after maxing CP3 out if Gasol is willing to opt out to sign a longer deal for more total money but a lower 2017-18 base salary, just like Tim Duncan did. Duncan got paid $5.6 million this season while retired, and the Spurs could do the same for Gasol by signing him to a 3 year deal if he's only looking to really play two years.

[Trainwreck2100]

Jesus christ did you people learn nothing fro the Aldrige signing? CP3 is on the wrong side of 30 renegotiated the CBA so he could get a better payday and probably wouldn't be healthy in the playoffs anyway.

[Ditty]

I can't imagine anyone taking Livio Jean-Charles. Dedmon will opt out but I doubt Lee does after his injury. I could see someone taking Anderson and $2 million, but you dump Forbes and you're only saving maybe $350,000 capspace since you'll get hit with a cap hold for an empty roster spot under 12. If you can dump Anderson and Gasol together but Lee opts in and Dedmon opts out you're still $2.5 million over the cap if you offer Paul something like $32 million starting after factoring in cap holds for empty roster spots under 12. You dump Forbes and you're around $2 million or so over.

Thanks for the explanation :toast

[Ditty]

Good chance Green is gone if we sign CP3. As would Gasol (good), Patty, Simmons. So the bench would be Murray, Bertans, Anderson, and some scrubs. The ONLY WAY I'd want CP3 is if he takes a crazy pay cut. Like 4/80-100. Our depth would be absolutely pathetic, otherwise.

At the end of the day in the post season, Spurs may only go with a 8-9 man rotation in the playoffs. Spurs can fill out the rest of the roster with veterans playing for the minimum, for a chance to win a championship.

[spurspokesman]

Cp3 makes this team better. Easy opportunities means more points and wins, no surprise Aldridge did better with lillard. He created at least 4 or 5 easy basket per game and Aldridge therefore was a 20+ a game.

[PopTheGOAT]

At the end of the day in the post season, Spurs may only go with a 8-9 man rotation in the playoffs. Spurs can fill out the rest of the roster with veterans playing for the minimum, for a chance to win a championship.
I get that only 8 guys may be used in the playoffs, but the season is a grind. Playing 8 guys all year could kill us. Kawhi, LMA, Gasol, TP, Manu, Lee, Dedmon, Bertans, Simmons, Patty, Murray, Anderson all got time this year. 12 guys. I'd be really concerned about what the 9-12 guys could contribute with CP3 taking up all the cap. I don't know, maybe they can pull something out of their ass. I trust they'll make a wise move

[BatManu20]

Not a fan of Cow-turd but he's right.

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[Ditty]

I get that only 8 guys may be used in the playoffs, but the season is a grind. Playing 8 guys all year could kill us. Kawhi, LMA, Gasol, TP, Manu, Lee, Dedmon, Bertans, Simmons, Patty, Murray, Anderson all got time this year. 12 guys. I'd be really concerned about what the 9-12 guys could contribute with CP3 taking up all the cap. I don't know, maybe they can pull something out of their ass. I trust they'll make a wise move

I'm pretty sure Spurs would bring over Hanga, unless Manu would also possibly return hopefully for the minimum. Which would be very appealing for him too if we got CP3. Spurs will probably find a gem from the summer league like they have with Simmons & Neal. A lot of veteran guys on bad teams that want to win a ring also will be available to fill out the roster.

[BatManu20]

Man Rumors haven't been this heavy since LMA in '15


Where there's smoke…


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[Ditty]

It's amazing how people think CP3 is going to decline so rapidly from 32-36 years old tbh :lol

Is he going to all of a sudden lose some of his already exceptional court vision?

Is he not going to be able be a pretty good spot up shooter, and not able to pull up on pick n rolls anymore?

Yeah he may lose a step in like two freaking years, but he's already a really good basketball player.

As much as Parker played his ass off on defense against Conley, and before he got hurt. I'm pretty sure I was not the only one who was tired of Conley tearing us up, and Curry getting wide open 3's.

I love Murray, and he is going to be great defensive player just with physical tools alone but he is not ready for those guys yet when the games matter in April. He could learn a lot from Paul also.

[NASpurs]

I wasn't initially on the Chris Paul to the Spurs bandwagon but anything that gets either Gasoft or LaSoftus traded is win-win to me.

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAtdCvaW0AEieJP?format=jpg&name=large

[Mal]

I have no idea how US taxes work, but there are serious points made about Texas having much lower taxes than California does. Can someone count the diffrence ? 207/5 in California, how much money is really earned, and how this corelate to amount made in Texas ?

[Dancelot]

I have no idea how US taxes work, but there are serious points made about Texas having much lower taxes than California does. Can someone count the diffrence ? 207/5 in California, how much money is really earned, and how this corelate to amount made in Texas ?
Colin cowherd kinda breaks it down in the video above. If what he says is accurate, this could get interesting

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I have no idea how US taxes work, but there are serious points made about Texas having much lower taxes than California does. Can someone count the diffrence ? 207/5 in California, how much money is really earned, and how this corelate to amount made in Texas ?

California has a personal income tax, Texas does not. Paul would fall into the highest bracket, so he's paying 13.3% personal income tax to the state of California.

[playbonner15]

CP3 is gonna be paid and if he walks out of that big payout and out of Los Angeles, then great. It willnsurely depend on where his priorities are right now.

[Stabula]

holy shit

[SpursforSix]

California has a personal income tax, Texas does not. Paul would fall into the highest bracket, so he's paying 13.3% personal income tax to the state of California.

I think I read somewhere that it's based on how many games he actually plays in California.

[SpursforSix]

I think I read somewhere that it's based on how many games he actually plays in California.

Or not. They do get some kid of credit if they play games in other states with income tax. And also seems to depend on where they live.

[TheGreatYacht]

Have people not watched CP3 P&R us to death over the last 3 years? You have to try and get him if both sides have mutual interest. Some people are really worried about losing Gasol and Green with his 7ppg on terrible efficiency and declining defense? Incredible.

CP3 and Kawhi being our floor generals will completely remove LMA postups out of the offense as well. Aldridge can get his shots from mid range wide open or cutting to the rim.

[cd021]

I think I read somewhere that it's based on how many games he actually plays in California.

It is. He plays 47 games in California per season while he would play 45 games in Texas. He is taxed per game, and the taxes vary on where the game is played. New York also has high taxes while Florida also has none.

[NASpurs]

Clutchfans retards think this is CP3 using leverage to get the 5 year max from the Clippers... because according to this logic, he wouldn't get it if he didn't threaten the Clippers by leaving. LOGIC.

[Keepin' it real]

did you people learn nothing fro the Aldrige signing?

No.

[TheGreatYacht]

Clutchfans retards think this is CP3 using leverage to get the 5 year max from the Clippers... because according to this logic, he wouldn't get it if he didn't threaten the Clippers by leaving. LOGIC.
Cuckfans posters don't realize CP3 is 9-10 tiers above Chris Bosh, who NEEDED to use the Rockets as leverage.

[Hoops Czar]

Clutchfans retards think this is CP3 using leverage to get the 5 year max from the Clippers... because according to this logic, he wouldn't get it if he didn't threaten the Clippers by leaving. LOGIC.

Better logic than thinking the Spurs are going hot and heavy after a player who's had durability issues and will be edging out of his prime in the two years. Not to mention, Parker will still be on the roster and Murray's development will be put on hold for the next 4 years. Also, CP3 hasn't even opened his mouth and rightfully so. It would be pretty egregious to walk away from another 20M to go to a team that's no closer to winning a championship than the team he's currently playing for. The roster gutting that would have to take place to make this a reality is almost unthinkable. The media likes to talk though and they know they can count on internet clicks from Spurstalk.

[spursistan]

Have people not watched CP3 P&R us to death over the last 3 years? You have to try and get him if both sides have mutual interest. Some people are really worried about losing Gasol and Green with his 7ppg on terrible efficiency and declining defense? Incredible.

CP3 and Kawhi being our floor generals will completely remove LMA postups out of the offense as well. Aldridge can get his shots from mid range wide open or cutting to the rim.

Exactly..People are forgetting this point..Getting CP take out the Clippers threat to the Spurs-- their worst match-up in the last 3 years-- just in the same fashion Warriors erased OKC out of contention by recruiting their best player :lol..

Warriors-Spurs would essentially be a WCF mortal lock before the start of the season.-- and likely the real Finals

[Mnky]

You're being a retard. I have been calling for the team to dump Aldridge since early in the Houston series. You keep bringing up Golden State even though I keep saying the guy is a bitch because he couldn't even score on the Rockets and their horrible defense. A bigman who can't fucking postup James Harden.

And you keep making these strawman arguments. No one expects Aldridge to carry the team. They expect him to be a reliable second option, and he isn't.

No i dont. You're making up an argument again.

I said dropping pau and tony would go a long way, but was hard to see the team doing tony like that. Trading Aldridge for a player like randle was my way of saying as long as they get someone paul can run with, would work out decent. Anyone spurs drop Aldridge off with would likely take a pick and maybe another player as well.

In terms of dropping Aldridge, who you get back is the issue. What legitimate bigs are up for grabs this summer?

Hard to imagine replacing a key cog. Replacing tony and pau, doesn't seem as difficult to get paul. Was the original take.

[objective]

I can't imagine anyone taking Livio Jean-Charles. Dedmon will opt out but I doubt Lee does after his injury. I could see someone taking Anderson and $2 million, but you dump Forbes and you're only saving maybe $350,000 capspace since you'll get hit with a cap hold for an empty roster spot under 12. If you can dump Anderson and Gasol together but Lee opts in and Dedmon opts out you're still $2.5 million over the cap if you offer Paul something like $32 million starting after factoring in cap holds for empty roster spots under 12. You dump Forbes and you're around $2 million or so over.

Can't trade LJC's salary, he was waived.

Waiving Forbes would save 497k, the difference between his salary and the roster charge.

[Hoops Czar]

Exactly..People are forgetting this point..Getting CP take out the Clippers threat to the Spurs-- their worst match-up in the last 3 years-- just in the same fashion Warriors erased OKC out of contention by recruiting their best player :lol..

Warriors-Spurs would essentially be a WCF mortal lock before the start of the season.-- and likely the real Finals


Yes, by essentially eliminating the competition. Spurs would still get a mortal beat down by the Warriors. Rather have Westbrook.

[coachmac87]

Better logic than thinking the Spurs are going hot and heavy after a player who's had durability issues and will be edging out of his prime in the two years. Not to mention, Parker will still be on the roster and Murray's development will be put on hold for the next 4 years. Also, CP3 hasn't even opened his mouth and rightfully so. It would be pretty egregious to walk away from another 20M to go to a team that's no closer to winning a championship than the team he's currently playing for. The roster gutting that would have to take place to make this a reality is almost unthinkable. The media likes to talk though and they know they can count on internet clicks from Spurstalk.

Why would CP3 open his mouth?? And what would you'd expect him to say?

Everybody is jumping on Zach Lowe story because it's most recent..but Woj said this would happen even before the season started in October...which means Spurs probably have a good plan to execute this..

[lefty]

Fap fap fap

[objective]

I thought the Spurs would have enough if they salary dumped Gasol, Jean-Charles, Forbes & possibly Kyle Anderson. Renounced all their free agents, and Dedmon & Lee don't opt in. Maybe I have the starting salary for Chris off.

Depends on the starting salary for Paul.

If they dump Pau, stretch Parker, dump Kyle, waive Forbes, and Lee and Dedmon opt out, and they renounce Manu, Lee, Dedmon, Joel Anthony ...

And they keep their 1st this year AND bring over Milutinov ...

After roster charges they can get to a 32.982 starting salary.

If Milutinov agrees to not come over, that saves 650k vs roster charge. Dumping their 2017 1st or getting another stash guys saves 489k. Then the starting salary would be 34.121

This all depends on my math being right and all reported salaries being accurate. LMA had incentives both likely and unlikely, and it's hard to know how that affects his number.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think I read somewhere that it's based on how many games he actually plays in California.

That's how they figure it for out of state players (like when the Spurs visit). As a California native with his primary residence there, he gets to pay it on his full salary. I do believe he gets a reduction for taxes paid for other games in other states with a local income tax, but that's trivial compared to his entire salary (and keep in mind, any endorsement deals he's getting are also getting taxed at that 13.3% rate there too).

[Hoops Czar]

Why would CP3 open his mouth?? And what would you'd expect him to say?

Everybody is jumping on Zach Lowe story because it's most recent..but Woj said this would happen even before the season started in October...which means Spurs probably have a good plan to execute this..


The Clippers were a dysfunctional hot mess before the season. There were also reports mid season that said CP3 has a secret agreement with the Clippers on a 5 year extension. The Spurs have made two major splashes via trades/free agency over the last 8 years and they've both been epic disasters. If the Spurs didn't have Parker on the roster or they didn't draft Murray, it would make more sense.

[UZER]

A guy, who's been injury prone throughout his entire career, is going to be asked to come in and play harder defense, game after game, than he ever has in his entire career, and he's supposed to start doing this at age 32?

You might as well ask him to do the Pamchenko.

[Hoops Czar]

Depends on the starting salary for Paul.

If they dump Pau, stretch Parker, dump Kyle, waive Forbes, and Lee and Dedmon opt out, and they renounce Manu, Lee, Dedmon, Joel Anthony ...

And they keep their 1st this year AND bring over Milutinov ...

After roster charges they can get to a 32.982 starting salary.

If Milutinov agrees to not come over, that saves 650k vs roster charge. Dumping their 2017 1st or getting another stash guys saves 489k. Then the starting salary would be 34.121

This all depends on my math being right and all reported salaries being accurate. LMA had incentives both likely and unlikely, and it's hard to know how that affects his number.

Is that all? :lol

[objective]

Is that all? :lol

Well, that's also including the qualifying offer for Simmons. If they renounce Simmons, they can get to 34.977

Then the roster would be

Paul-Murray
Green
Kawhi
LMA
Bertans

+ Room exception + minimum guys. (Hanga?,. Bringing back Lee, bringing back Forbes on a full guarantee, Splitter? Etc)

I wouldn't go further than the 32.982 number which gives the Spurs matching rights on Simmons plus a first rounder plus Milutinov. Keep Anderson and you are at 31.646

Paul - Murray
Green - Simmons
Kawhi - Anderson
LMA - Bertans
Milutinov. -. 2017 1st rounder?

Plus room exception and minimums

For that same 31.646 you could probably get Hill/Holiday and a big who is near the MLE, maybe even keep Dedmon.

[hooperflash]

Let's just sign Tony Romo, tbh.

[coachmac87]

The Clippers were a dysfunctional hot mess before the season. There were also reports mid season that said CP3 has a secret agreement with the Clippers on a 5 year extension. The Spurs have made two major splashes via trades/free agency over the last 8 years and they've both been epic disasters. If the Spurs didn't have Parker on the roster or they didn't draft Murray, it would make more sense.

Ok so you don't want CP3...but that doesn't mean you can discredit reports because it doesn't make sense for YOU.


But what's been reported in October and even now IS REAL but doesn't guarantee anything. I believe Woj over anyone and he said that the Spurs were going to pursue if the Clippers had another fall out(which they did) and if so Paul would be intrigued. Everything that's needed to happen has happened including the mysterious injury to Parker...Let's also not bring up the past free agency signings because that's irrelevant and only goes with YOUR agenda

I'm sure you also assumed KD was staying in OKC...

[baseline bum]

Well, that's also including the qualifying offer for Simmons. If they renounce Simmons, they can get to 34.977

Then the roster would be

Paul-Murray
Green
Kawhi
LMA
Bertans

+ Room exception + minimum guys. (Hanga?,. Bringing back Lee, bringing back Forbes on a full guarantee, Splitter? Etc)

I wouldn't go further than the 32.982 number which gives the Spurs matching rights on Simmons plus a first rounder plus Milutinov. Keep Anderson and you are at 31.646

Paul - Murray
Green - Simmons
Kawhi - Anderson
LMA - Bertans
Milutinov. -. 2017 1st rounder?

Plus room exception and minimums

For that same 31.646 you could probably get Hill/Holiday and a big who is near the MLE, maybe even keep Dedmon.

Are you sure the Spurs have matching rights on Simmons? Isn't Simmons Early Bird, having played here two years? According to Larry Coon's CBA FAQ, that would give the Spurs the ability to only offer up to 104.5% of the previous league average salary without using capspace (or 175% of Simmons' previous year's salary, but that would be much lower than 104.5% of the league average). That would be about $4.8 million, which seems like less than Simmons could pull on the market.

[objective]

If Dedmon is out of their price range, but they could still snag Baynes at say a starting salary of 8, they could offer a starting salary of 24.462 to Hill/Holiday

So including the room for Hanga, Lee back on another 1+1 guarantee, and Forbes on a 1+1 guarantee, it'd be

Hill/Holiday - Murray - Forbes
Green - Simmons - Hanga
Kawhi - Anderson - ?
LMA - Bertans - Lee
Baynes - Milutinov - 2017 first?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Are you sure the Spurs have matching rights on Simmons? Isn't Simmons Early Bird, having played here two years? According to Larry Coon's CBA FAQ, that would give the Spurs the ability to only offer up to 104.5% of the previous league average salary without using capspace (or 175% of Simmons' previous year's salary, but that would be much lower than 104.5% of the league average). That would be about $4.8 million, which seems like less than Simmons could pull on the market.

Can't remember where I read it but I saw a note that we could match up to $7.7 million to Simmons.

[objective]

Are you sure the Spurs have matching rights on Simmons? Isn't Simmons Early Bird, having played here two years? According to Larry Coon's CBA FAQ, that would give the Spurs the ability to only offer up to 104.5% of the previous league average salary without using capspace (or 175% of Simmons' previous year's salary, but that would be much lower than 104.5% of the league average). That would be about $4.8 million, which seems like less than Simmons could pull on the market.

He'd be an Arenas free agent and his Qualifying Offer with right to match is only 1.672. it would be true that they couldn't give him a bigger offer themselves in this scenario, but they could still match provided they got all their moves done first, and then when he signed an offer sheet with another team they would have that 2 day window.

They might not even want to match​ due to eventual tax implications, but they could.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something.

[baseline bum]

Can't remember where I read it but I saw a note that we could match up to $7.7 million to Simmons.

That would be nice. It would probably be enough to sign him.

[raybies]

If Dedmon is out of their price range, but they could still snag Baynes at say a starting salary of 8, they could offer a starting salary of 24.462 to Hill/Holiday

So including the room for Hanga, Lee back on another 1+1 guarantee, and Forbes on a 1+1 guarantee, it'd be

Hill/Holiday - Murray - Forbes
Green - Simmons - Hanga
Kawhi - Anderson - ?
LMA - Bertans - Lee
Baynes - Milutinov - 2017 first?
sounds intriguing actually but the Spurs aren't gonna stretch Parker for a player like Hill or Holiday imo

[NASpurs]

Are you sure the Spurs have matching rights on Simmons? Isn't Simmons Early Bird, having played here two years? According to Larry Coon's CBA FAQ, that would give the Spurs the ability to only offer up to 104.5% of the previous league average salary without using capspace (or 175% of Simmons' previous year's salary, but that would be much lower than 104.5% of the league average). That would be about $4.8 million, which seems like less than Simmons could pull on the market.

http://thesportsdaily.com/project-spurs/spurs-2017-offseason-q-a/

How might Simmons being a restricted free agent affect the Spurs’ cap situation?

The Spurs have until June 30 to tender a $1.2 million qualifying offer to Simmons to make him a restricted free agent heading into free agency. Now, FOR EXAMPLE ONLY, let’s say the New York Knicks, who might have $26.9 million in cap space, sign him to an offer sheet for three years, for $39 million, meaning Simmons would earn about $13 million annually. Because Simmons is under the ‘Arenas Provision,’ as Bobby Marks of the Vertical noted, the Spurs can match that Knicks offer, BUT, in Year 1, San Antonio can only sign Simmons for either $7.7 million, or use their Mid-Level Exception of $8.4 million, which would mean the rest of that $31 million of Simmons’ deal would have to be back loaded in years 2 and 3.

Here’s where it gets tricky. Even though Simmons might sign that deal on the opening day of free agency July 1, the clock for the Spurs to match begins ticking on July 6, when the moratorium period ends. San Antonio then has two days to decide if they’ll match the offer or allow Simmons to sign elsewhere. While San Antonio is deciding for 48 hours whether or not to match, Simmons’ cap hold will still stay at $1.2 million. But, if they decide to match by July 8, Simmons’ cap hold jumps either to $7.7 million or $8.4 million through the use of the MLE, which is basically adding an additional $6 million to the Spurs’ cap sheet by July 8.

So, for the Spurs, Simmons signing an offer sheet quickly could put them in a bind going forward with their cap space and with some of the other moves they may want to make in free agency.

[coachmac87]

Can't remember where I read it but I saw a note that we could match up to $7.7 million to Simmons.


Spurs can match up to MLE..

[SAGirl]

Well, that's also including the qualifying offer for Simmons. If they renounce Simmons, they can get to 34.977

Then the roster would be

Paul-Murray
Green
Kawhi
LMA
Bertans

+ Room exception + minimum guys. (Hanga?,. Bringing back Lee, bringing back Forbes on a full guarantee, Splitter? Etc)

I wouldn't go further than the 32.982 number which gives the Spurs matching rights on Simmons plus a first rounder plus Milutinov. Keep Anderson and you are at 31.646

Paul - Murray
Green - Simmons
Kawhi - Anderson
LMA - Bertans
Milutinov. -. 2017 1st rounder?

Plus room exception and minimums

For that same 31.646 you could probably get Hill/Holiday and a big who is near the MLE, maybe even keep Dedmon.


Thanks for doing this.
It is very helpful when there are so many guys with misinformation and truly all the cap rules are confusing to me.
:toast

[objective]

I do round up to the next thousand, so my numbers might be slightly, off.

If anyone else wants to check my math, please do and let us know what I got wrong, better to be sure

Spurs Salaries:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/

Roster charge calculations:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704121-breaking-down-every-nba-teams-salary-cap-situation-ahead-of-2017-offseason

[Hoops Czar]

Ok so you don't want CP3...but that doesn't mean you can discredit reports because it doesn't make sense for YOU.


But what's been reported in October and even now IS REAL but doesn't guarantee anything. I believe Woj over anyone and he said that the Spurs were going to pursue if the Clippers had another fall out(which they did) and if so Paul would be intrigued. Everything that's needed to happen has happened including the mysterious injury to Parker...Let's also not bring up the past free agency signings because that's irrelevant and only goes with YOUR agenda

I'm sure you also assumed KD was staying in OKC...

What reports? All I'm hearing is conjecture and talking points. I'm sure there will be a slew of teams that will pursue CP3 so thinking the Spurs might be one of them isn't out of the box thinking. How is this situation any different than the Spurs pursuing Kevin Durant?

Actually my stance on KD is as follows....



Yeah, that's as much a reality as is Leonard coming off the bench to accommodate Durant. Gulp living in a dream world.. If he goes anywhere at all which is highly unlikely, he'd go to GS before SA 10/10 times.


Maybe but, there's a 99.999% he stays in OKC. Do you realize the roster adjustments the Spurs would have to make to just to sign him even if he did consider leaving?


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261072&highlight=welcome+to+sa+kevin+durant

We seem to have one of these threads every year. That thread was slightly funnier than this one, but it gives you the perspective from a Spurstalker's point of view regardless of how ridiculous the reasoning was. :lol A big fish like CP3 isn't up rooting to a small pond like San Antonio for a lot less money.

[raybies]

http://thesportsdaily.com/project-spurs/spurs-2017-offseason-q-a/

How might Simmons being a restricted free agent affect the Spurs’ cap situation?

The Spurs have until June 30 to tender a $1.2 million qualifying offer to Simmons to make him a restricted free agent heading into free agency. Now, FOR EXAMPLE ONLY, let’s say the New York Knicks, who might have $26.9 million in cap space, sign him to an offer sheet for three years, for $39 million, meaning Simmons would earn about $13 million annually. Because Simmons is under the ‘Arenas Provision,’ as Bobby Marks of the Vertical noted, the Spurs can match that Knicks offer, BUT, in Year 1, San Antonio can only sign Simmons for either $7.7 million, or use their Mid-Level Exception of $8.4 million, which would mean the rest of that $31 million of Simmons’ deal would have to be back loaded in years 2 and 3.

Here’s where it gets tricky. Even though Simmons might sign that deal on the opening day of free agency July 1, the clock for the Spurs to match begins ticking on July 6, when the moratorium period ends. San Antonio then has two days to decide if they’ll match the offer or allow Simmons to sign elsewhere. While San Antonio is deciding for 48 hours whether or not to match, Simmons’ cap hold will still stay at $1.2 million. But, if they decide to match by July 8, Simmons’ cap hold jumps either to $7.7 million or $8.4 million through the use of the MLE, which is basically adding an additional $6 million to the Spurs’ cap sheet by July 8.

So, for the Spurs, Simmons signing an offer sheet quickly could put them in a bind going forward with their cap space and with some of the other moves they may want to make in free agency.
Dang. this is very valuable. He likely gone imo. We definitely can't use the MLE on him so we would like backload it. That's just very risky though imo. Cause if he remains inconsistent that's alot of doe tied up. Though most I'd backload would be 13-14 mill so that'd be a deal of like 7.5 mill first year 13 years 2 and 3. Like 33 mill. That would be reasonable actually. I mean Manu played for 14 mill this year and Danny makes 10 mill and Simmons does more. I'm gonna stick to this number, but we just can't use the MLE on him.

[baseline bum]

He'd be an Arenas free agent and his Qualifying Offer with right to match is only 1.672. it would be true that they couldn't give him a bigger offer themselves in this scenario, but they could still match provided they got all their moves done first, and then when he signed an offer sheet with another team they would have that 2 day window.

They might not even want to match​ due to eventual tax implications, but they could.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something.


http://thesportsdaily.com/project-spurs/spurs-2017-offseason-q-a/

How might Simmons being a restricted free agent affect the Spurs’ cap situation?

The Spurs have until June 30 to tender a $1.2 million qualifying offer to Simmons to make him a restricted free agent heading into free agency. Now, FOR EXAMPLE ONLY, let’s say the New York Knicks, who might have $26.9 million in cap space, sign him to an offer sheet for three years, for $39 million, meaning Simmons would earn about $13 million annually. Because Simmons is under the ‘Arenas Provision,’ as Bobby Marks of the Vertical noted, the Spurs can match that Knicks offer, BUT, in Year 1, San Antonio can only sign Simmons for either $7.7 million, or use their Mid-Level Exception of $8.4 million, which would mean the rest of that $31 million of Simmons’ deal would have to be back loaded in years 2 and 3.

Here’s where it gets tricky. Even though Simmons might sign that deal on the opening day of free agency July 1, the clock for the Spurs to match begins ticking on July 6, when the moratorium period ends. San Antonio then has two days to decide if they’ll match the offer or allow Simmons to sign elsewhere. While San Antonio is deciding for 48 hours whether or not to match, Simmons’ cap hold will still stay at $1.2 million. But, if they decide to match by July 8, Simmons’ cap hold jumps either to $7.7 million or $8.4 million through the use of the MLE, which is basically adding an additional $6 million to the Spurs’ cap sheet by July 8.

So, for the Spurs, Simmons signing an offer sheet quickly could put them in a bind going forward with their cap space and with some of the other moves they may want to make in free agency.

Wow I didn't realize the MLE is going up so much for next season.

[spursistan]

Yes, by essentially eliminating the competition. Spurs would still get a mortal beat down by the Warriors. Rather have Westbrook.
Nah, they would still be an underdog, and depending on how much they preserve of their depth, they will have a shot with a break or two going their way..

Also give me Paul's 32yo-36yo window over Westbrook's 30yo-34yo. He is a far more cerebral player, and much better off-ball threat despite the ball-pounding reputation.

The Clippers looked their best when he was a second option in 2015 as Blake was tearing it up during that run-- a pecking order that's already established in SA with Leonard as the top dog..

[coachmac87]

What reports? All I'm hearing is conjecture and talking points. I'm sure there will be a slew of teams that will pursue CP3 so thinking the Spurs might be one of them isn't out of the box thinking. How is this situation any different than the Spurs pursuing Kevin Durant?

Actually my stance on KD is as follows....







http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261072&highlight=welcome+to+sa+kevin+durant

We seem to have one of these threads every year. That thread was slightly funnier than this one, but it gives you the perspective from a Spurstalker's point of view regardless of how ridiculous the reasoning was. :lol A big fish like CP3 isn't up rooting to a small pond like San Antonio for a lot less money.


I'm not sitting here telling you CP3 is GOING to come here. All I've said is that the Spurs were going to go after him and he's their priority. You can google all the reports including what Woj said on his podcast in October..he also mentioned The Knicks were gonna purse too lol.

There's never been this much smoke before the season has ended about a potential free agent tbh. Spurs-CP3 rumors have been going on for over a year now by credible sources...I don't think that's happened before with the Spurs...not even Aldridge

[coachmac87]

Nah, they would still be an underdog, and depending on how much they preserve of their depth, they will have a shot with a break or two going their way..

Also give me Paul's 32yo-36yo window over Westbrook's 30yo-34yo. He is a far more cerebral player, and much better off-ball threat despite the ball-pounding reputation.

The Clippers looked their best when he was a second option in 2015 as Blake was tearing it up during that run-- a pecking order that's already established in SA with Leonard as the top dog..


Good post. I tend to the the "ball pounding" label is overblown...Paul has never played with guards or wings who can really create off the dribble..so yeah he's gonna have the ball a lot. But let's also be real he's arguably one of the best PNR point guards this league has seen so there's reason for it.

[TD 21]

If Dedmon is out of their price range, but they could still snag Baynes at say a starting salary of 8, they could offer a starting salary of 24.462 to Hill/Holiday

So including the room for Hanga, Lee back on another 1+1 guarantee, and Forbes on a 1+1 guarantee, it'd be

Hill/Holiday - Murray - Forbes
Green - Simmons - Hanga
Kawhi - Anderson - ?
LMA - Bertans - Lee
Baynes - Milutinov - 2017 first?

I doubt Spurs go that high for Hill. If it happens, they'll probably be a partially guaranteed 4th year, so that they can lessen the cap hit in the first 3.

They're not salary dumping or stretching Parker, which is partially why I believe Hill is the ceiling because he'd only require Gasol to be salary dumped, as far as significant moves go.

I hope Suns draft Fox at 4, shop Bledsoe and Jazz, who are about to have financial issues, decide it would make more sense to have him for 3/43.5M remaining on his contract, than pay Hill, who's 3 years older and not quite as good, significantly more. Suns would have to take either Favors or Burks contract, with Hood probably being the centerpiece. Jazz also have 24, 30 and Thunder's '18 lottery protected 1st.

I'm more concerned with point guard upgrade and possibly retaining Simmons (I doubt it) or some other half decent wing for BAE, than center. Just go cheap and have a by committee approach, of something like Reed for part of MLE, Splitter for minimum and either Milutinov or 29th pick. The idea would be to play small more.

[Phenomanul]

Good post. I tend to the the "ball pounding" label is overblown...Paul has never played with guards or wings who can really create off the dribble..so yeah he's gonna have the ball a lot. But let's also be real he's arguably one of the best PNR point guards this league has seen so there's reason for it.

The cerebral play is also evident in his career PER (which is top-3 all-time)... In Paul's case, loss of agility, or speed, or athleticism isn't as much of a deficit as would be for other players (like say Parker) because his game vision is his one defining attribute (and similar to Tim and Manu) that vision doesn't go away with age.

His fragility may be a concern. But Pop could use the season to both develop Murray's game AND rest Paul.

Guys like Green, Bertans and Lee (should he decide to opt in) would be instantly more lethal when paired with Paul.

Heck, Kawhi would be a deadlier player too if he were allowed to score off-the-ball as well.

[SpursforSix]

That's how they figure it for out of state players (like when the Spurs visit). As a California native with his primary residence there, he gets to pay it on his full salary. I do believe he gets a reduction for taxes paid for other games in other states with a local income tax, but that's trivial compared to his entire salary (and keep in mind, any endorsement deals he's getting are also getting taxed at that 13.3% rate there too).

This is right I think. But that being said, how much more endorsement money does he get being in LA?

[objective]

FYI for anyone interested in cap numbers and minutae .... Larry Coon's site is outdated. His numbers are off as of last time i looked a couple of days ago for stuff like rookie scale and mle for example

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAxvXFUUAAE5u8s?format=jpg&name=large

[BillMc]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAxvXFUUAAE5u8s?format=jpg&name=large

ST is like one of those chicks who prints out and frames the selfie you took with her after one date.

ST will be boiling Paul's pet rabbit by end of summer. :lol

[TXstbobcat]

ST is like one of those chicks who prints out and frames the selfie you took with her after one date.

ST will be boiling Paul's pet rabbit by end of summer. :lol

Spurstalk fatal attraction. "I will not be ignored!!!" :lol

[BillMc]

Spurstalk fatal attraction. "I will not be ignored!!!" :lol
:lol

[spurs10]

ST is like one of those chicks who prints out and frames the selfie you took with her after one date.

ST will be boiling Paul's pet rabbit by end of summer. :lol :lol That's about right! Hell hath no fury!!

[BillMc]

More Stein speculation:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19473922/san-antonio-spurs-exploring-free-agent-run-clippers-star-chris-paul

[NASpurs]

More Stein speculation:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19473922/san-antonio-spurs-exploring-free-agent-run-clippers-star-chris-paul

"The San Antonio Spurs (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) are exploring the feasibility of making a free-agent run at All-Star point guard Chris Paul (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul), league sources told ESPN."

:wow

Better than just showing "mutual interest".

[Jdspur20]

Not a fan of Cow-turd but he's right.

867844493315145728

Yep. Not a fan of him either but he's 100% correct.

[BillMc]

Skip says no.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUp2AQW_dKc

[Jdspur20]

Skip says no.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUp2AQW_dKc

Well skip os a fake Spurs fan. So he can get lost.

[Ron Swanson]

ST is like one of those chicks who prints out and frames the selfie you took with her after one date.

ST will be boiling Paul's pet rabbit by end of summer. :lol


Spurstalk fatal attraction. "I will not be ignored!!!" :lol

:lol

[BatManu20]

868520338409353216

[TheDoctor]

http://i66.tinypic.com/2mmely0.jpg

I believe so.

[CGD]

Not likely. They are cash strapped and would be over $300,000,000 just to bring the same team back. Even letting Griffin walk won't give them enough relief to pay another star quality player. They are maxed out on what they can sign and I don't think they even have a first round pick, though I'm not sure. The bigger question is do they want to invest $200,000,000 in Chris Paul from age 32 to 38. That's what he'll be demanding to re-sign and only the Clippers can pay him that much.

This is an underrated point. The Clips cap situation is a disaster, which is why, egos/hard-feeling aside, I dont completely write off the idea of a S&T.

Spurs can send Gasol (who can be stretched), Green (to replace JJ), Simmons (who'd have to be S&T), along with a small asset like Kyle or #29 for the Clips' troubles. That'd get you close to the 30m or so needed.

In that scenario, I believe, the MLE/LLE could still be in play.

[kaji157]

If Paul comes to the spurs he will not be offered over 25 millions a year. Simple as that.
He will be offered something a bit higher of what Kawhi and LaMarcus are making.
I would be surprised if they offer more than 4 years and 110 millions.
That would mean an starting salary of 24,7 million a year.

[HarlemHeat37]

So many red flags, tbh..age, injuries, style of play and reputation..very risky to give a super max contract to a post-prime, 6-foot PG who can't play without dominating the basketball..

His reputation is great among people who have never played basketball with him, but it's tough to ignore the many reports that his teammates hate playing with him, tbh..Paul's style of leadership is antiquated, it isn't suited for today's league and players IMO..

[dabom]

So many red flags, tbh..age, injuries, style of play and reputation..very risky to give a super max contract to a post-prime, 6-foot PG who can't play without dominating the basketball..

His reputation is great among people who have never played basketball with him, but it's tough to ignore the many reports that his teammates hate playing with him, tbh..Paul's style of leadership is antiquated, it isn't suited for today's league and players IMO..

Is there a better option at a ring?

[HarlemHeat37]

Is there a better option at a ring?

Not next season, but I wouldn't want to pay the biggest contract in NBA history to a 30-something year old PG..

I would like to see how the roster looks with some player development, next season..in particular, Kawhi continuing to evolve as a point-forward, something that he showed flashes of becoming towards the end of the season and in the playoffs(which would die if Paul joined the roster, he doesn't play off the ball)..

[Mikeanaro]

Let Murray play, fuck CP3.

[dabom]

Not next season, but I wouldn't want to pay the biggest contract in NBA history to a 30-something year old PG..

I would like to see how the roster looks with some player development, next season..in particular, Kawhi continuing to evolve as a point-forward, something that he showed flashes of becoming towards the end of the season and in the playoffs(which would die if Paul joined the roster, he doesn't play off the ball)..

Kawhi was breaking down because he was tasked to "do-it-all". Dude needs someone to carry the weight. At this point in time, he just needs to focus on being Jordan, and not Magic-Jordan.

[dabom]

Kawhi, go be the best scorer, Kawhi be the best playmaker too, kawhi close out the games for us, kawhi get the most clutch rebounds, kawhi get the most deflections/steals, kawhi be the best defender, kawhi defend their best player. :lmao

[dabom]

Kawhi be the best 3 point shooter. Kawhi be the best free throw shooter. :lol

[spursistan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnhuSg1c2HU

[bic50]

Let Murray play, fuck CP3.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kawhi was breaking down because he was tasked to "do-it-all". Dude needs someone to carry the weight. At this point in time, he just needs to focus on being Jordan, and not Magic-Jordan.

Sure, but you don't need to go to the extreme of adding Chris Paul to alleviate Kawhi's load..

And I don't think the load had much to do with Kawhi's injury, anyways..I don't agree that he was breaking down, either, man was destroying the best team in the league before Zaza went dirty on him..

[dabom]

Sure, but you don't need to go to the extreme of adding Chris Paul to alleviate Kawhi's load..

And I don't think the load had much to do with Kawhi's injury, anyways..

I do think so. He was already compensating for weak knees already, his body is worn down. It is easier to fuck up your ankle if it's "weak". I've seen him land or step on shoes before. It went major bad because he was worn down.

[TD 21]

Is there a better option at a ring?

Translation: He either doesn't want his Warriors to have to face a legit challenger or thinks the Spurs should just hold off doing anything and wait until the next Duncan or James falls in their lap. Genius stuff, really.

[HarlemHeat37]

This is a moot point, anyways, tbh..same shit as Durant, last year, where the same posters were convinced that he would join the Spurs..

Paul altered the CBA to directly aid his bank account:lol he's not leaving any money on the table and he isn't playing in San Antonio IMO..

[spursistan]

So many red flags, tbh..age, injuries, style of play and reputation..very risky to give a super max contract to a post-prime, 6-foot PG who can't play without dominating the basketball..

His reputation is great among people who have never played basketball with him, but it's tough to ignore the many reports that his teammates hate playing with him, tbh..Paul's style of leadership is antiquated, it isn't suited for today's league and players IMO..

Winning cures...

I would take you more seriously if you said the same thing about Draymmond, not to mention this is still Pop's team :lol ..When the Warriors stop winning at this insane rate, you will see the ramifications of Donkey's grating and abrasive style of leadership in the lockeroom especially when you are essentially a super role player on the team..

[dabom]

Translation: He either doesn't want his Warriors to have to face a legit challenger or thinks the Spurs should just hold off doing anything and wait until the next Duncan or James falls in their lap. Genius stuff, really.

You need players to win. We need to prioritize CP3. It's foolish to think we can "wait it out for '18". Nothing is guaranteed in this league.

[objective]

Spurs might, though it seems unlikely, might have a tiny sliver more cap room due to LJC and how they handled his waiving.

Basically, a player waived at the time of year LJC was cut counts differently for stretching. His current year would have been paid normally while any subsequent years would be stretched, provided the Spurs had notified the league when he cleared waivers that they were stretching him.

Then his cap charge for 17-18 wouldn't be 1.036, but rather 345,333.34 over the next three seasons. Meaning they would have an extra 690k in cap room.

They probably didn't stretch him as i would think a site like basketball Insiders would have that information already, but anything is possible i suppose. They were probably keeping things clear for a 2018 plan and not worrying about maximizing room this summer.

[dabom]

This is a moot point, anyways, tbh..same shit as Durant, last year, where the same posters were convinced that he would join the Spurs..

Paul altered the CBA to directly aid his bank account:lol he's not leaving any money on the table and he isn't playing in San Antonio IMO..

I read somewhere that he would make more money in SA than LA due to state taxes( not counting the last year). And yes, I've read a lot on this subject.

[HarlemHeat37]

Winning cures...

I would take you more seriously if you said the same thing about Draymmond, not to mention this is still Pop's team :lol ..When the Warriors stop winning at this insane rate, you will see the ramifications of Donkey's grating and abrasive style of leadership in the lockeroom especially when you are essentially a super role player on the team..

Your hypothetical scenario is fine, but it's just that, hypothetical..

It might be comparable, except Kevin Durant, a top 3 player and generational talent, joined the Warriors with Draymond Green as the primary recruiter:lol Curry and Thompson have credited Green for being the heart of the team, too..

Meanwhile, there have been many reports over the years of Griffin and Jordan hating Paul..just 2 weeks ago, Glen Davis ripped Paul for being unlikable and a bad teammate:lol the same guy who cried on TV because of KG, yet constantly praises Garnett..

[TD 21]

You need players to win. We need to prioritize CP3. It's foolish to think we can "wait it out for '18". Nothing is guaranteed in this league.

I was being sarcastic with the latter point. The point was, there is no perfect player and some all timer, who checks virtually every conceivable box, isn't falling into their lap if they just wait a year or a bunch. The odds of Murray becoming even 75% as good as Paul are slim too and even if he does, it's even lower that it'll happen anytime soon . . . these are things the anti Paul crowd doesn't seem to understand.

This is all just theoretically speaking, of course, since it's all moot anyway. Unlike Durant, I do believe there's mutual interest, but as I've said all along, the timing makes it impractical. If it were '18 and Parker and Gasol were up, I think they'd have a near 50/50 shot.

[dabom]

I was being sarcastic with the latter point. The point was, there is no perfect player and some all timer, who checks virtually every conceivable box, isn't falling into their lap if they just wait a year or a bunch. The odds of Murray becoming even 75% as good as Paul are slim too and even if he does, it's even lower that it'll happen anytime soon . . . these are things the anti Paul crowd doesn't seem to understand.

This is all just theoretically speaking, of course, since it's all moot anyway. Unlike Durant, I do believe there's mutual interest, but as I've said all along, the timing makes it impractical. If it were '18 and Parker and Gasol were up, I think they'd have a near 50/50 shot.

I agree with you 100.

[coachmac87]

This is a moot point, anyways, tbh..same shit as Durant, last year, where the same posters were convinced that he would join the Spurs..

Paul altered the CBA to directly aid his bank account:lol he's not leaving any money on the table and he isn't playing in San Antonio IMO..


More like you just don't want him...

[HarlemHeat37]

More like you just don't want him...

Don't get your hopes up again, coach..not good for your heart, my friend:lol

[coachmac87]

Don't get your hopes up again, coach..not good for your heart, my friend:lol

CP3 would be nice...but as long as Murray isn't the starter I'm good...

I just follow my gut..I knew KD wasn't signing in OKC and I don't think CP3 is staying in LAC..you said it yourself he's the reason why their chemistry is what it is..

But will he sign in SA?? I've never seen this much smoke arounf a FA before the season ended tbh...

[HarlemHeat37]

CP3 would be nice...but as long as Murray isn't the starter I'm good...

I just follow my gut..I knew KD wasn't signing in OKC and I don't think CP3 is staying in LAC..you said it yourself he's the reason why their chemistry is what it is..

But will he sign in SA?? I've never seen this much smoke about a FA before the season ended tbh...

I believe that Paul would go to the Spurs if he left the Clippers..I just don't believe he would ever leave the super max money, and I don't believe that Ballmer would ever let him depart IMO he's one of the faces of the league, would be disastrous for a franchise that already has image problems..

They will get rid of Griffin(or let him walk) far sooner than ever considering letting Paul go..Rivers isn't accepting a rebuild at any point, either(part of the reason he left Boston)

[cd98]

This is a moot point, anyways, tbh..same shit as Durant, last year, where the same posters were convinced that he would join the Spurs..

Paul altered the CBA to directly aid his bank account:lol he's not leaving any money on the table and he isn't playing in San Antonio IMO..

You're right except when Paul was part of the CBA everyone thought the Clippers were a top 4 team in the NBA. After this year, it's obvious they weren't. Now they potentially lose two or three key players to sign Paul or be way over the cap for a team that will lose in the first round. Does he take the money to play on a team that could miss the playoffs or lose in the first round? Especially when he can make as much after taxes with the Spurs and play with the best player in the NBA.

[coachmac87]

I believe that Paul would go to the Spurs if he left the Clippers..I just don't believe he would ever leave the super max money, and I don't believe that Ballmer would ever let him depart IMO they will get rid of Griffin far sooner than ever considering letting Paul go..

I think it's the opposite. Chemistry issues due to Paul, Griffin is younger and Reddick is long gone..possibly Doc too. Paul is getting super max money..and it's about the $$ per year which is way more than he has made before.

[RD2191]

CP3 wants to win in a big market, not on the Spurs. :lol As I said before, he loves Hollywood too much to ever leave, especially for SA. Come on sons. :lol

[cd98]

I believe that Paul would go to the Spurs if he left the Clippers..I just don't believe he would ever leave the super max money, and I don't believe that Ballmer would ever let him depart IMO he's one of the faces of the league, would be disastrous for a franchise that already has image problems..

They will get rid of Griffin(or let him walk) far sooner than ever considering letting Paul go..Rivers isn't accepting a rebuild at any point, either(part of the reason he left Boston)

Him leaving would do the Clippers a favor. Sure he was a great player this year and he'll be good for two to three more years. But after that? They'll be paying him for two years as a mega star and he'll probably only be serviceable. The bigger question is would the Spurs do what it takes to get him, like trading Parker and Gasol? I'm not convinced the Spurs would do that...they are too loyal and that's a rep they probably want to keep. I just don't see the Spurs swallowing the Paul pill.

[HarlemHeat37]

You're right except when Paul was part of the CBA everyone thought the Clippers were a top 4 team in the NBA. After this year, it's obvious they weren't. Now they potentially lose two or three key players to sign Paul or be way over the cap for a team that will lose in the first round. Does he take the money to play on a team that could miss the playoffs or lose in the first round? Especially when he can make as much after taxes with the Spurs and play with the best player in the NBA.

That's all fine, but as I said about Durant, last year, our mentality as fans doesn't take everything into consideration..we just assume that players only look at rosters and their legacies, isolating their opportunity to win as the only important factor in these decisions..

We don't make as much money as these guys, so we think "what's the difference? I'll play anywhere for millions and I'll go wherever I can win"..once they reach the level of stardom of a LeBron, Durant, Paul, etc, they have a number of factors to consider, particularly their brands(Spurs have been fortunate to have Duncan and Kawhi, since neither has a brand or represents the league in any way off the court)..

I could certainly be wrong, I don't know him personally, obviously..I just need to see a star of that magnitude signing with the Spurs to actually believe it's possible:lol

[cd98]

CP3 wants to win in a big market, not on the Spurs. :lol As I said before, he loves Hollywood too much to ever leave, especially for SA. Come on sons. :lol

He's got 2 years left to cement his legacy with a title. He's never even been to the WCF. He can move back to LA, but my guess is he has interest if the Spurs can field a better team. The Clippers he would sign on to look like they will be worse than this year, esp with Doc screwing this team with bad free agent contracts. Paul will seal a legacy of playing on underachieving teams if he stays with the Clips. That can't sit well with a guy famous for his competitiveness.

[Leetonidas]

LMA/Kawhi > Griffin/Jordan even with Aldridge having a shit postseason. Paul knows Spurs are the only team with championship aspirations that needs a PG. I just think in the end the money will be too much to give up along with lliving/playing in LA

[cd98]

That's all fine, but as I said about Durant, last year, our mentality as fans doesn't take everything into consideration..we just assume that players only look at rosters and their legacies, isolating their opportunity to win as the only important factor in these decisions..

We don't make as much money as these guys, so we think "what's the difference? I'll play anywhere for millions and I'll go wherever I can win"..once they reach the level of stardom of a LeBron, Durant, Paul, etc, they have a number of factors to consider, particularly their brands(Spurs have been fortunate to have Duncan and Kawhi, since neither has a brand or represents the league in any way off the court)..

I could certainly be wrong, I don't know him personally, obviously..I just need to see a star of that magnitude signing with the Spurs to actually believe it's possible:lol

Thats true but Durant signed for less to win...so he is case and point why Paul could leave. I don't think it's inevitable, but I do think it's a strong possibility if the Spurs can field a competitive team while gutting its roster.

[cd98]

LMA/Kawhi > Griffin/Jordan even with Aldridge having a shit postseason. Paul knows Spurs are the only team with championship aspirations that needs a PG. I just think in the end the money will be too much to give up along with lliving/playing in LA

From what the reports are, if the Spurs can give him a max contract, he'll take home more after taxes than he would signing the super max with the Clippers. Man, those CA taxes are horrendous.

[RD2191]

He's got 2 years left to cement his legacy with a title. He's never even been to the WCF. He can move back to LA, but my guess is he has interest if the Spurs can field a better team. The Clippers he would sign on to look like they will be worse than this year, esp with Doc screwing this team with bad free agent contracts. Paul will seal a legacy of playing on underachieving teams if he stays with the Clips. That can't sit well with a guy famous for his competitiveness.

Meh, to me, his competitiveness is mostly show. He wants to win but not at all cost.

[Hoops Czar]

I believe that Paul would go to the Spurs if he left the Clippers..I just don't believe he would ever leave the super max money, and I don't believe that Ballmer would ever let him depart IMO he's one of the faces of the league, would be disastrous for a franchise that already has image problems..

They will get rid of Griffin(or let him walk) far sooner than ever considering letting Paul go..Rivers isn't accepting a rebuild at any point, either(part of the reason he left Boston)

Well, it would be really foolish to sign a player to a monster deal, everybody hates. :lol That antiquated asshole should just retire since nobody likes him. I mean, when a person has cancer, you don't destroy all the healthy tissue and leave the cancer. :lol

[cd98]

Meh, to me, his competitiveness is mostly show. He wants to win but not at all cost.

Maybe. But he's 32 and never sniffed the conference finals. Elite players want more than that. If the Spurs can field a better team than the Clippers while gutting the roster to make room for a max offer to Paul...if I were the Clippers, I'd be scared.

[cd98]

Well, it would be really foolish to sign a player to a monster deal, everybody hates. :lol That antiquated asshole should just retire since nobody likes him. I mean, when a person has cancer, you don't destroy all the healthy tissue and leave the cancer. :lol

Michael Jordan was hated by his teammates. Not the Chris is Michael, but he's still damn good. Plus look at his teammates...Jordan, Griffin, Austin Rivers...not surprising he has to yell at them. The Spurs are a more classy organization and Pop eliminates the need for him to crack knuckles. Plus the Manu for the Veterans Min becomes a thing.

[TheGreatYacht]

CP3 has carried his team's dead weight in the playoffs over the last 3 years tbh. His stats and efficiency get better in the playoffs.

Get him some help....

[HarlemHeat37]

Well, it would be really foolish to sign a player to a monster deal, everybody hates. :lol That antiquated asshole should just retire since nobody likes him. I mean, when a person has cancer, you don't destroy all the healthy tissue and leave the cancer. :lol

Players can tolerate assholes if the team is winning, ex. Dad Killer and Kobe..Phil Jackson made it work, maybe Pop would, as well..I'm just skeptical, since the Spurs haven't had leaders that berate their teammates, that's usually reserved for Pop and only Pop:lol

Robinson and Duncan were the complete opposite..Kawhi isn't a leader, yet..

[HarlemHeat37]

Thats true but Durant signed for less to win...so he is case and point why Paul could leave. I don't think it's inevitable, but I do think it's a strong possibility if the Spurs can field a competitive team while gutting its roster.

Durant went to play in the Bay Area, though..in his own words, part of the selling point was being apart of the off-court environment and being involved with Silicon Valley projects, etc..

We'll see, of course..none of us know how Paul feels, all guessing..

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA3ebKbVwAAX5eB?format=jpg&name=large

[Nathan89]

Durant went to play in the Bay Area, though..in his own words, part of the selling point was being apart of the off-court environment and being involved with Silicon Valley projects, etc..

We'll see, of course..none of us know how Paul feels, all guessing..

His own words are bullshit. He went there because he wanted to get the easiest possible rings.

[Nathan89]

Durant also makes a fuckton more than CP3 off the court so him taking a little less is irrelevant to him

[Hoops Czar]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA3ebKbVwAAX5eB?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cjz3ocyUkAAio_S.jpg


It's Happening......Maybe?

http://www.morningnewsusa.com/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-spurs-2380604.html


New Big 3!

http://i.imgur.com/JKxS5Pz.jpg


http://thesportspost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SpursKD.jpg



tbh...

[objective]

Would State Farm add Kawhi to their commercials to replace DeAndre?

[Hoops Czar]

Would State Farm add Kawhi to their commercials to replace DeAndre?

"The lady already asked that question!"

[cd98]

Kawhi doesn't have the personality for those commercials.

[objective]

One question i have is whether Paul is still a good defender or just living off reputation.

There's a YouTube video about him getting abused by George Hill in the playoffs. Of course, the video is made by an uploader who seems to only make videos to make players look bad, all in order to defend Michael Jordan's reputation as the best ever. Because Jordan needs videos to undercut and expose anyone who gets attention as a great player, i guess?

https://youtu.be/PfHq6aY1FKs

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Hilarious to see another fanbase start to delude themselves into believing the Choke Paul myth, tbh.

:cry "He has no help!" :cry
:cry "It's all his teammates' fault!" :cry
:cry "He has to be a selfish asshole!" :cry
:cry "But, but, his empty stats look slightly better in the playoffs!" :cry
:cry "He's just unlucky!" :cry

Next up is Kawhi becoming the scapegoat every time Choke Paul disappears in a closeout game. Fact is, Choke-P is a straight-up loser. That's it and that's all.

[baseline bum]

So many red flags, tbh..age, injuries, style of play and reputation..very risky to give a super max contract to a post-prime, 6-foot PG who can't play without dominating the basketball..

His reputation is great among people who have never played basketball with him, but it's tough to ignore the many reports that his teammates hate playing with him, tbh..Paul's style of leadership is antiquated, it isn't suited for today's league and players IMO..

Who hated playing with him and why? He seems like he could be a real whiny fuck, but I can't recall hearing teammates trash him.

[picnroll]

By reputation he seems to be a little more the MJ leadership style than the TD style.

[objective]

Who hated playing with him and why? He seems like he could be a real whiny fuck, but I can't recall hearing teammates trash him.

Big Baby recently compared Rondo and Paul as teammates saying that he would run through a wall for Rondo but not Paul, and didn't even want to set a good screen for him.

And one of DeAndre' supposed complaints was high five freezeouts, where Paul would make sure to high five everyone except DeAndre to send a message.

[CGD]

Big Baby recently compared Rondo and Paul as teammates saying that he would run through a wall for Rondo but not Paul, and didn't even want to set a good screen for him.

And one of DeAndre' supposed complaints was high five freezeouts, where Paul would make sure to high five everyone except DeAndre to send a message.

Not surprised to hear mentally weak players saying that. That said, it does make me wonder about LMA...

[raybies]

Team could use a vocal leader on the court. Leonard could anchor the d while cp the offense.

[LakerHater]

tbh...

...damn, opened my eyes...

[tholdren]

:lol Hilarious to see another fanbase start to delude themselves into believing the Choke Paul myth, tbh.

:cry "He has no help!" :cry
:cry "It's all his teammates' fault!" :cry
:cry "He has to be a selfish asshole!" :cry
:cry "But, but, his empty stats look slightly better in the playoffs!" :cry
:cry "He's just unlucky!" :cry

Next up is Kawhi becoming the scapegoat every time Choke Paul disappears in a closeout game. Fact is, Choke-P is a straight-up loser. That's it and that's all.

Fine, you take gasol we will talke cp3

[Hoops Czar]

Fine, you take gasol we will talke cp3
Meh, give them Bryn Forbes. The way Spurs fans carry on about him, Clippers fans will be fooled into thinking they're getting talent in return.

[cd021]

If they was to be a sign and trade would need to make the salaries work?

Gasol and Forbes would get the spurs close: $30,642,694. Probably have to through in a future first, to make it worth the Clippers while.

[goliath]

From Woj:

"Not that I see," Wojnarowski said of Paul's chances of ending up with the Spurs. "I don't know where that came from. I've spent a lot of time around the Spurs this spring. They would have to just tear up that entire payroll. It's almost unlike anything the Spurs would've done or would do to even have a chance at him. I mean, they'd have to really gut the roster. And to do that for a 30-plus year old point guard, who has a couple great years left, there's no question -- I think there's more pressure on the Clippers to have to re-sign him than for the Spurs to turn their whole franchise over to make a run at him.

http://cbsprt.co/2qsu9Ks

[NASpurs]

From Woj:

"Not that I see," Wojnarowski said of Paul's chances of ending up with the Spurs. "I don't know where that came from. I've spent a lot of time around the Spurs this spring. They would have to just tear up that entire payroll. It's almost unlike anything the Spurs would've done or would do to even have a chance at him. I mean, they'd have to really gut the roster. And to do that for a 30-plus year old point guard, who has a couple great years left, there's no question -- I think there's more pressure on the Clippers to have to re-sign him than for the Spurs to turn their whole franchise over to make a run at him.

http://cbsprt.co/2qsu9Ks

Woj has spoken. Lock this thread up, nothing to see here. Move along everyone. :lol

[objective]

Woj is only an agent regurgitator..

He claims they'd have to get the whole roster? He hasn't done the cap math.

[SnakeBoy]

Every off season ST is excited that the Spurs are going to land a big name free agent but the only times it has happened was LMA & Gasol...both now hated by ST :lol.

[bic50]

Every off season ST is excited that the Spurs are going to land a big name free agent but the only times it has happened was LMA & Gasol...both now hated by ST :lol.
This is true