Welcome to SA, CP3

[baseline bum]

Every off season ST is excited that the Spurs are going to land a big name free agent but the only times it has happened was LMA & Gasol...both now hated by ST :lol.

Hard to call Gasol a big name free agent. Maybe in 2014 when he could have really helped the team backing up Duncan, but 2016 he was just the default choice once Durant went west.

[coachmac87]

Woj is only an agent regurgitator..

He claims they'd have to get the whole roster? He hasn't done the cap math.

He was the first person that I heard report this as a possibility...and that was before the season started. So now he doesn't know where this came from?

[SAGirl]

From Woj:

"Not that I see," Wojnarowski said of Paul's chances of ending up with the Spurs. "I don't know where that came from. I've spent a lot of time around the Spurs this spring. They would have to just tear up that entire payroll. It's almost unlike anything the Spurs would've done or would do to even have a chance at him. I mean, they'd have to really gut the roster. And to do that for a 30-plus year old point guard, who has a couple great years left, there's no question -- I think there's more pressure on the Clippers to have to re-sign him than for the Spurs to turn their whole franchise over to make a run at him.

http://cbsprt.co/2qsu9Ks

thanks for sharing. :tu
It does look very uphill... specially bc I think Spurs would need to do something with Tony's contract (waive it, stretch it, dump it somewhere, etc... ) and dat loyalty though...
I also see it as unlikely in general with CP3 agent likely just trying to generate enough intrigue to pressure the Clippers.

[Hoops Czar]

thanks for sharing. :tu
It does look very uphill... specially bc I think Spurs would need to do something with Tony's contract (waive it, stretch it, dump it somewhere, etc... ) and dat loyalty though...
I also see it as unlikely in general with CP3 agent likely just trying to generate enough intrigue to pressure the Clippers.

Well, ya know if the Spurs attach some high upside player that has a lot of potential and is starting to come into his own, a Summer league MVP type player who likes to end seasons with a bang but doesn't receive enough playing time to get exploited, I mean to show off his skills set during the bulk of the regular season (mind is drawing a blank here) to Tony's contract, maybe the Spurs could find a taker. That team could dump Parker and the Spurs could pick him up in a year's time (loyalty). Meanwhile, he'll have a full season to recuperate from his ruptured quad. Now, if only the Spurs had a player on the roster that could fit that description...... Sure, you'll lose a high upside player and that would suck but, sometimes you have to make a tough sacrifice in order to make the team better.

[cd98]

thanks for sharing. :tu
It does look very uphill... specially bc I think Spurs would need to do something with Tony's contract (waive it, stretch it, dump it somewhere, etc... ) and dat loyalty though...
I also see it as unlikely in general with CP3 agent likely just trying to generate enough intrigue to pressure the Clippers.

You're right that the Spurs would have to make tough choices to get max cap space this season. But if the Spurs made them and got Paul, would they even be better than Paul resigning with the Clippers (assuming the Clippers bring everyone back)?

[tonight...you]

Well, ya know if the Spurs attach some high upside player that has a lot of potential and is starting to come into his own, a Summer league MVP type player who likes to end seasons with a bang but doesn't receive enough playing time to get exploited, I mean to show off his skills set during the bulk of the regular season (mind is drawing a blank here) to Tony's contract, maybe the Spurs could find a taker. That team could dump Parker and the Spurs could pick him up in a year's time (loyalty). Meanwhile, he'll have a full season to recuperate from his ruptured quad. Now, if only the Spurs had a player on the roster that could fit that description...... Sure, you'll lose a high upside player and that would suck but, sometimes you have to make a tough sacrifice in order to make the team better.
Goodness... You guys need a "safe word".

[Uriel]

Woj is right about having to gut the roster. From Marc Stein:


Even if the Spurs renounce the rights to looming free agents Manu Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili), Patty Mills (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills) and Jonathon Simmons (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons) as well as potential free agents Dewayne Dedmon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2580913/dewayne-dedmon) and David Lee (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), they would still face complicated decisions on San Antonio mainstay Tony Parker (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker) and possibly both Pau Gasol (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol) and Danny Green (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3988/danny-green).

It is unclear how soon Parker, 35, will be able to play again after suffering a ruptured quadriceps tendon in his left leg during the second round of the playoffs. Releasing Parker via the waive-and-stretch provision or trying to trade him are among the unfriendly options San Antonio would be forced to consider to create the requisite cap space for a run at Paul and presumably any other top free-agent guard, such as Jrue Holiday (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday), Kyle Lowry (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry) or former Spur George Hill (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3438/george-hill).

The Spurs' cap picture would look decidedly more favorable if former All-Star big man Gasol decides to decline his $16.2 million player option for next season. But if Gasol opts to play out his current contract, San Antonio would probably have to explore the trade market for Gasol and/or Green, depending on what happens with Parker and the team's other free agents.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19473922/san-antonio-spurs-exploring-free-agent-run-clippers-star-chris-paul

[objective]

Even Stein i doubt does the math himself, only going by what he hears.

Most simple math:

To start a salary at 30 million, they just renounce Dedmon, Mills, Manu and Lee, dump Pau and stretch Parker. They could still re-sign both Lee and Manu with 1+1 player option minimums. For Manu, if he retired after the first year but was waived for the second to get his money, that would be 4.77 million for 1 year.

They wouldn't have to renounce Simmons or trade Green.

If they needed to get closer to 35 million starting salary, they could not bring over Milutinov, trade or stash their 2017 first rounder, dump Anderson, and maybe after all that renounce Simmons.

It basically comes down to Pau and Parker because Mills and Dedmon might out of their hands with regards to free agency. Let's be honest: if they want Paul, they aren't going to keep Parker around to be the backup.

[SAGirl]

Well, ya know if the Spurs attach some high upside player that has a lot of potential and is starting to come into his own, a Summer league MVP type player who likes to end seasons with a bang but doesn't receive enough playing time to get exploited, I mean to show off his skills set during the bulk of the regular season (mind is drawing a blank here) to Tony's contract, maybe the Spurs could find a taker. That team could dump Parker and the Spurs could pick him up in a year's time (loyalty). Meanwhile, he'll have a full season to recuperate from his ruptured quad. Now, if only the Spurs had a player on the roster that could fit that description...... Sure, you'll lose a high upside player and that would suck but, sometimes you have to make a tough sacrifice in order to make the team better.

oh boy... you have some attachment to trolling about the same thing, it's some ADHD next level shit.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ed/e7/a5/ede7a5ce19a253bbbae5af0d4a51965a.jpg

Unless Tony retires I find it hard for the Spurs to waive him, trade him, etc. I really can't see that happening, maybe he retires who knows? I don't see that happening either.

[SAGirl]

Goodness... You guys need a "safe word".

He would need to be put on a time out.. but he knows not when to stop...

Stop pressing that q-tip when there is resistanse Czar! :lol

[SAGirl]

It basically comes down to Pau and Parker because Mills and Dedmon might out of their hands with regards to free agency. Let's be honest: if they want Paul, they aren't going to keep Parker around to be the backup.

Bottom line that is what it comes down to. I mean CP3 maybe doesn't want to relocate, leave money or whatever and this is just a ploy to pressure the Clippers organization, but for the Spurs it does require moving on from Tony. Even with his injury, I have a hard time seeing them pressuring him to retire.

[kaji157]

Not necessarily, they can stretch or salary dump Tony so he can rehab during the whole next season and resign him for the 18-19 season.
He can go rehab in Asvel followed closely by the Spurs.

[objective]

And as far as gutting the roster, Parker didn't even play most of the second round or all the WCF. Parker's injury, rehab and age mean he won't be too great even if he plays.

Dedmon barely played as well in that same time frame.

So if we're talking about the same​ WCF squad being "gutted" it's just exchanging Paul/Hill/Holiday/Lowry for Mills, whicb is a giant upgrade, and losing Pau, who was a disappointing bench player against​ GSW.

Who might be better replaced by Milutinov anyway, as far as finishing and pick and roll defense goes.

Lose some of Pau's experience, sure.

The political will is a different story.

But i think that's separate from the roster impact narrative these media guys are pushing

[Uriel]

Some pics of Chris Paul in a Spurs jersey from 2K.

https://scontent.fcrk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/18742007_10155378426107236_354767813_n.jpg?oh=a94d 7b30d6ae82ba19caa31501993966&oe=592EA3EC

https://scontent.fcrk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/18741852_10155378426117236_231313648_n.jpg?oh=a31c 20b3089a9e41b878300f03ff8274&oe=592DB304

[Play Boban]

:cry

[Hoops Czar]

He would need to be put on a time out.. but he knows not when to stop...

Stop pressing that q-tip when there is resistanse Czar! :lol

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Some pics of Chris Paul in a Spurs jersey from 2K.

https://scontent.fcrk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/18742007_10155378426107236_354767813_n.jpg?oh=a94d 7b30d6ae82ba19caa31501993966&oe=592EA3EC

https://scontent.fcrk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/18741852_10155378426117236_231313648_n.jpg?oh=a31c 20b3089a9e41b878300f03ff8274&oe=592DB304
Is that Ginosebleed? There's no point in bringing CP3 here if that glorified Carlos Delfino is still getting minutes.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Even Stein i doubt does the math himself, only going by what he hears.

Most simple math:

To start a salary at 30 million, they just renounce Dedmon, Mills, Manu and Lee, dump Pau and stretch Parker. They could still re-sign both Lee and Manu with 1+1 player option minimums. For Manu, if he retired after the first year but was waived for the second to get his money, that would be 4.77 million for 1 year.

They wouldn't have to renounce Simmons or trade Green.

If they needed to get closer to 35 million starting salary, they could not bring over Milutinov, trade or stash their 2017 first rounder, dump Anderson, and maybe after all that renounce Simmons.

It basically comes down to Pau and Parker because Mills and Dedmon might out of their hands with regards to free agency. Let's be honest: if they want Paul, they aren't going to keep Parker around to be the backup.

But his 1st year salary would be $35.6 mil assuming the cap stays as projected, thus the gut the roster stuff, which is absolutely true. If we're talking hypotheticals where he takes even more than a $54 mil paycut that's a different story, but highly unlikely.

[Ice009]

Yeah, this doesn't seem even close to realistic money wise. Not sure why people are thinking that this is going to happen?

Bottom line, though is, they need to get a team around Kawhi that can legitimately compete for a Championship. Anything else wouldn't be acceptable. He's worked so hard to get to this point, he deserves to be competing for Championships year in and year out. If not, I don't/won't blame him if he wants to move on somewhere else.

[TheDoctor]

Is that Ginosebleed? There's no point in bringing CP3 here if that glorified Carlos Delfino is still getting minutes.
Damn. :lol

[TimDunkem]

^I'll take Manu for one more year at the minimum playing 5 minutes a game against scrubs. Anything else, fuck off.

[EIC]

"Gutting the roster" means dropping dead weight that's just holding us back. Lots of players on this roster who would be additions by subtraction.

Getting Gasol, LMA, and Parker off our books would be a good start, CP3 or otherwise.

[cd98]

TBH Parker injury really throws a wrench in the Spurs master plan. This same team or close to this same team could make the same run next year as this year, which is best case in the GSW era. If TP was healthy, the whole Paul thing wouldn't even be a discussion. And 2018 would be the year of retool without any tough decisions. With TP out and Murray still too inexperienced, the Spurs are in a jam. They either have to overpay Patty, gut the team for Paul (which does nothing to ensure we beat a healthy Warrior team), or we pay some other PG, which is probably on the cheap and probably doesn't help much. Just bad luck.

[therealtruth]

I don't see many scenarios where Paul ends up a Spur. He's not leaving all that money on the table when it will be the last time to get it.

[bic50]

I don't see many scenarios where Paul ends up a Spur. He's not leaving all that money on the table when it will be the last time to get it.

[BillMc]

Stephen A says we'd be no better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maInMCqiWZ0

[Hoops Czar]

Stephen A says we'd be no better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maInMCqiWZ0

And he's right. The roster outside of Kawhi isn't good enough.

[raybies]

Pros for CP3. Maybe he has come up short for the Clippers as a #1 guy but we have a closer here. We need another scorer to lighten the load for Kawhi and that's all. I'm leaning on keeping the squad together and growing organically but . CP3 as a #2 and LMA as a #3 would be ideal for everyone. Surround them with shooters and a finishing big and your on to something. Kawhi is goona make lesser players look better and CP3 can do the same. I'm fully confident the Spurs can surround those 3. Plus there will be usual band wagoners looking to join a contender... Personally I prefer a longer window but CP3 will definitely increase our odds. Makes me think the Spurs will trade down in the draft or just trade really if they go for Paul. 2nd round picks mean alot less money. Anyone know the cap hit for 2nd round picks?

[objective]

Pros for CP3. Maybe he has come up short for the Clippers as a #1 guy but we have a closer here. We need another scorer to lighten the load for Kawhi and that's all. I'm leaning on keeping the squad together and growing organically but . CP3 as a #2 and LMA as a #3 would be ideal for everyone. Surround them with shooters and a finishing big and your on to something. Kawhi is goona make lesser players look better and CP3 can do the same. I'm fully confident the Spurs can surround those 3. Plus there will be usual band wagoners looking to join a contender... Personally I prefer a longer window but CP3 will definitely increase our odds. Makes me think the Spurs will trade down in the draft or just trade really if they go for Paul. 2nd round picks mean alot less money. Anyone know the cap hit for 2nd round picks?

Cap hit is zero on second round picks. Teams do have to submit a tender to keep the draft rights but they are for unguaranteed minimums that can be withdrawn and renounced at any time.

[raybies]

Cap hit is zero on second round picks. Teams do have to submit a tender to keep the draft rights but they are for unguaranteed minimums that can be withdrawn and renounced at any time.
that's what I was thinking. It'd be the safe play cause you can go after Paul you don't have to sign any contracts until you know for sure. And also with the new two way contracts more picks is valuable imo. Makes alot of sense for the Spurs to trade down..

[Play Boban]

Kinda would prefer someone younger than CP3 tbh. CP3 is on the wrong side of 30 and is soon to be a TOSB tbh.

[raybies]

Teams with multiple 2nd round picks:
Atlanta: 31, 60
Phoenix 32, 54
Orlando: 33, 35
Philadelphia: 36, 39, 46, 50
Boston: 37, 53, 56

I'd keep an eye on these tbh

Orlando and Philadelphia sounds about right

Not to mention you could get a pick these year and maybe next

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Stephen A says we'd be no better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maInMCqiWZ0

Nothing changes because we already are better than Golden State :flag:

[BillMc]

Nothing changes because we already are better than Golden State :flag:
:toast

[BillMc]

More numbers breakdowns:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-monday-can-the-spurs-really-land-chris-paul/

[SAGirl]

More numbers breakdowns:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-monday-can-the-spurs-really-land-chris-paul/
Thanks for sharing. Some of the "gutting of the roster" is due to Father time and can't be helped. Tony is injured and may return from that injury in Kirby state (I mean fragile, injury prone, body breaking down frequently and never quite the same. He was already very brittle these past few years and that's not going to change and may be worse).

Then Patty is going to be paid and he's not a starting caliber guard. His ceiling is 6th man, but the Spurs already have Pau sort of in that role and he's paid handsomely.

Manu may retire and if he doesn't he still may be diminished by Father time at 40. It can't be helped.

Some things just can't be helped. They won't be better by standing pat bc father time is catching up.

They need to develop the young guys they have.

I am not sure about Paul, but right now they may be required to make a move just go maintain their current edge. (Paul or any other FA)... It can't be helped to shed depth when Spurs were replacing in consecutive seasons Tim,Manu and Tony (or the very reduced production by these last two if they are still in the roster).

[Poolboy5623]

Yeah, this doesn't seem even close to realistic money wise. Not sure why people are thinking that this is going to happen?

Bottom line, though is, they need to get a team around Kawhi that can legitimately compete for a Championship. Anything else wouldn't be acceptable. He's worked so hard to get to this point, he deserves to be competing for Championships year in and year out. If not, I don't/won't blame him if he wants to move on somewhere else.

I agree but weren't the Spurs competing for a championship, before Kawhi went down?

[DaBears]

How the fuck is golden state an Cavs so stacked but the Spurs can't sign a good pg an sign their own players?


:deadhorse.. That is the million dollar question. Right there with the 'Big Bang Theory'... Or which came 1st chick or the egg.. Maybe its better off we done know.

[DaBears]

I would say maybe we want to see what the 2 teams you've mentioned are paying over the salary cap.. Spurs could be playing a budget game long term.. While sure they are over the cap by 6 mil, what are those other 2 teams payin..

[Ice009]

I agree but weren't the Spurs competing for a championship, before Kawhi went down?

They were, but I don't think bringing back this same team will cut it. An older TP, Manu and Pau just won't cut it. You can't rely on them to keep trying to turn back the clock.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6DHBF1EkWc

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-gNScUQ20

[coachmac87]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-gNScUQ20

Really seemed Marcellus Wiley hates the idea and must be a Clipper fan???

I get the leverage perspective and it makes sense to use that argument ....but I don't think anyone doubted LAC offering the max so I wouldn't say it's a legit case. 90% of the media thought KD was staying in OKC but he shocked the world..

I still think CP3 is a long shot but the "gutting the roster" is not accurate..The'yre possibly losing Mills, Dedmon, Simmons regardless if Paul comes here....as we all know it depends on Pau/Parker situation.

[BillMc]

Really seemed Marcellus Wiley hates the idea and must be a Clipper fan???

I get the leverage perspective and it makes sense to use that argument ....but I don't think anyone doubted LAC offering the max so I wouldn't say it's a legit case. 90% of the media thought KD was staying in OKC but he shocked the world..

I still think CP3 is a long shot but the "gutting the roster" is not accurate..The'yre possibly losing Mills, Dedmon, Simmons regardless if Paul comes here....as we all know it depends on Pau/Parker situation.


All good points. I doubt this is a leverage game (at least financial leverage), but I guess it could be a LeBron-esque "get the right pieces or I'll consider leaving" thing. More likely, there's just interest out of respect and the TD connection (Wakeforsest). If Paul does meet with other teams it will be a genuine expoloration, but even if his intentions are sincere, I doubt in the long run he turns down that big money.

I personally go between wanting to see it happen (who doesn't love acquire hall of famers still (barely) in their primes?) and be worried we'd be strapping ourselves financially for an under-sized, injury-prone aging point guard (as good as he is).

There are parallels between the pursuit of Kidd with young Parker, and now the (potential) pursuit of Paul with young Murray. Wasn't there some Garth Brooks song about unanswered prayers? :lol

[coachmac87]

All good points. I doubt this is a leverage game (at least financial leverage), but I guess it could be a LeBron-esque "get the right pieces or I'll consider leaving" thing. More likely, there's just interest out of respect and the TD connection (Wakeforsest). If Paul does meet with other teams it will be a genuine expoloration, but even if his intentions are sincere, I doubt in the long run he turns down that big money.

I personally go between wanting to see it happen (who doesn't love acquire hall of famers still (barely) in their primes?) and be worried we'd be strapping ourselves financially for an under-sized, injury-prone aging point guard (as good as he is).

There are parallels between the pursuit of Kidd with young Parker, and now the (potential) pursuit of Paul with young Murray. Wasn't there some Garth Brooks song about unanswered prayers? :lol


I think there's legitimate interest on both parties. Woj has stated he doesn't know where this came from....but he was the first person I heard to bring up possibility back in October before the season started...There's just so much smoke around this story that I wouldn't be shocked either way..

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/wojnarowski-speculates-the-spurs-will-chase-chris-paul


^Yeah Woj has no idea where that came from...

Since he mentioned that in October 2016 I feel it's more realistic NOW due to injury of Parker and the dud of Pau and LMA

[Trueblood]

Really seemed Marcellus Wiley hates the idea and must be a Clipper fan???

I get the leverage perspective and it makes sense to use that argument ....but I don't think anyone doubted LAC offering the max so I wouldn't say it's a legit case. 90% of the media thought KD was staying in OKC but he shocked the world..

I still think CP3 is a long shot but the "gutting the roster" is not accurate..The'yre possibly losing Mills, Dedmon, Simmons regardless if Paul comes here....as we all know it depends on Pau/Parker situation.

The gutting the roster issue did stand out to me at first and was a huge deterrent for me but you're right that were going to lose those guys anyway. The big thing is we have to lose two of the following 4:
Pau
Tony
Danny
Aldridge
Without taking any salary back to make room for a true max. I don't buy the whole gutting the roster thing because as every "super team" had proven it's that vets flock to those teams for the minimum when they're ring chasing. I think we could trade Pay and stretch Tony's deal to make room for it and still hold onto Green and Aldridge.
My big sticking point is paying a PG on the wrong side of thirty with lots of miles on his legs a max deal for four years. I think short term we would be okay but it puts us in a bad place 2-3 years from now.

[portnoy1]

The gutting the roster issue did stand out to me at first and was a huge deterrent for me but you're right that were going to lose those guys anyway. The big thing is we have to lose two of the following 4:
Pau
Tony
Danny
Aldridge
Without taking any salary back to make room for a true max. I don't buy the whole gutting the roster thing because as every "super team" had proven it's that vets flock to those teams for the minimum when they're ring chasing. I think we could trade Pay and stretch Tony's deal to make room for it and still hold onto Green and Aldridge.
My big sticking point is paying a PG on the wrong side of thirty with lots of miles on his legs a max deal for four years. I think short term we would be okay but it puts us in a bad place 2-3 years from now.

I don't like the Idea either but Pop would give cp3 nights off. Not sure ​if they do that with clippers.

[buttsR4rebounding]

He only gets the tax break for games played in Texas and Florida. You are basically replacing 41 games played in California with 41 in Texas. The California rate of 13.3% means that on a salary of $25 million he would save $25,000,000 x .5 x .133=$1,662,500.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The gutting the roster issue did stand out to me at first and was a huge deterrent for me but you're right that were going to lose those guys anyway. The big thing is we have to lose two of the following 4:
Pau
Tony
Danny
Aldridge
Without taking any salary back to make room for a true max. I don't buy the whole gutting the roster thing because as every "super team" had proven it's that vets flock to those teams for the minimum when they're ring chasing. I think we could trade Pay and stretch Tony's deal to make room for it and still hold onto Green and Aldridge.
My big sticking point is paying a PG on the wrong side of thirty with lots of miles on his legs a max deal for four years. I think short term we would be okay but it puts us in a bad place 2-3 years from now.

3 years from now is an eternity in the NBA. Heck, it takes 10 minutes to play the last 30 seconds of a close game...

[jermaine]

I don't want CP3... I say go after Cojo or G. Hill an go get Marco back. Resign mills an keep devolving Murray! Don't but our team for them injury prone cry baby.

[UZER]

Really seemed Marcellus Wiley hates the idea and must be a Clipper fan???

I get the leverage perspective and it makes sense to use that argument ....but I don't think anyone doubted LAC offering the max so I wouldn't say it's a legit case. 90% of the media thought KD was staying in OKC but he shocked the world..

I still think CP3 is a long shot but the "gutting the roster" is not accurate..The'yre possibly losing Mills, Dedmon, Simmons regardless if Paul comes here....as we all know it depends on Pau/Parker situation.

He's a die hard clippers fan and one of those typical backhand compliment douches when it comes to the Spurs.

[Play Boban]

Ricky Rubio. :wow

[Ice009]

Now that KD is looking to take a pay cut, I don't want Paul at all. If Paul wants to come here, he's going to have to take a less than max contract. Spurs can't afford to waste that much money on an aging PG.

[spursistan]

The choice is clear for CP3 unless he really just cares about money and big city life..Stop pretending you're going to have a chance vs the Warriors in Clippers uniform :lol..

[picnroll]

Rather sign Lebron

[objective]

Now that KD is looking to take a pay cut, I don't want Paul at all. If Paul wants to come here, he's going to have to take a less than max contract. Spurs can't afford to waste that much money on an aging PG.

I agree that I don't want him for his full max. He's opting out of 25 and change, his max being 35 and change....

I think a raise on what he opted out of is okay, 27, 28, but no Max. Take this opportunity or grow old with DeAndre.

[Play Boban]

I don't want CP3. It would be throwing away our future to sign a TOSB with a mega contract. Stupid!

[Spurs 4 The Win]

CP3 said today he is seriously considering the Spurs. I think he knows that nobody can beat the Warriors as constituted and certainly not the Clippers. The writing is on the wall. I think he comes here. Gonna be an interesting year next year.

[raybies]

CP3 said today he is seriously considering the Spurs. I think he knows that nobody can beat the Warriors as constituted and certainly not the Clippers. The writing is on the wall. I think he comes here. Gonna be an interesting year next year.
where he say?

[raybies]

870674381978062849

[Robz4000]

"Serious consideration" = thanks but no thanks. He isn't gonna turn down that LAC money.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

"Serious consideration" = thanks but no thanks. He isn't gonna turn down that LAC money.

You are an idiot

[raybies]

https://media.giphy.com/media/5mBE2MiMVFITS/giphy.gif

[Robz4000]

penis penis penis penis

[Spurs 4 The Win]

"Serious consideration" = thanks but no thanks. He isn't gonna turn down that LAC money.

Durant "strongly considering" Warriors as next destination

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/kevin-durant-warriors-nba-free-agency-thunder-celtics/embinpvuwmlr1kcwtdpbkwf0e

:lol Fagg:lolt

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs want a face-to-face meeting when FA starts, meaning anyone is tradeable.

Hope Pau and Green are out of here....

[Robz4000]

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http://www.penis.com/penis/penis/penis-penis-penis-penis-penis-in-my-ass/penis

:lol Fagg:lolt

Ok?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Ok?

"Strong consideration" = thanks but not thanks. Durant isnt gonna turn down that OKC money.

:lol fagg:lolt :lol

[NASpurs]

I really don't care one way or another, I just enjoy the offseason drama.

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[raybies]

I really don't care one way or another, I just enjoy the offseason drama.

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we've come a long way in that regard. Kidd would probably sign now with how the organization has developed and the respect it garners. Nice to be fans of such an iconic org. Hopefully PATFO can continue the braintrust going forward. I think how the Lakers and Celtics were revered in the 80's and early 90's is how we are revered now. Need to capitalize and keep it going imo

[dabom]

Durant "strongly considering" Warriors as next destination

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/kevin-durant-warriors-nba-free-agency-thunder-celtics/embinpvuwmlr1kcwtdpbkwf0e

:lol Fagg:lolt

:lol

[NASpurs]

Watch Paul troll the Spurs by verbally agreeing with them, the Spurs trading half the roster away for cap space and then Paul pulling a DeAndre Jordan at the last minute. :lol

[dabom]

Watch Paul troll the Spurs by verbally agreeing with them, the Spurs trading half the roster away for cap space and then Paul pulling a DeAndre Jordan at the last minute. :lol

Mavs are a joke of a franchise. Spurs are the better team here. :lol

[cd98]

I just don't think Spurs will gut that many players. Will Kawhi, Paul, and three Spurstalk posters be enough to beat the Warriors.

[raybies]

paul>parker & murray?
Kawhi>blake & deandre
Aldridge>deandre?

from the top its an upgrade in talent for sure and don't you trust the Spurs to surround you with the right pieces as opposed to the clippers?

basketball wise its a no brainer, but financially it will be extremely difficult.

clippers will pay him the max to remain relevant. spurs will pay him the max to compete against warriors and cavs. also if he leaves he eliminates his team that gives us problems. we would be a lock to make wcf again at least

[dabom]

I just don't think Spurs will gut that many players. Will Kawhi, Paul, and three Spurstalk posters be enough to beat the Warriors.

Fathead, porker, and forbes are on the team...

[cd98]

Fathead, porker, and forbes are on the team...

They also post on Spurstalk under other names.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I just don't think Spurs will gut that many players. Will Kawhi, Paul, and three Spurstalk posters be enough to beat the Warriors.

What the fuck did our shitty role players accomplish for us this year? Give me Paul, Aldridge, and Kawhi on the floor at the same time and roll the dice to see if it helps us against the Warriors. Aldridge will get much easier shots with that combo. Kawhi and CP3 will be matchup nightmares. That would be a very difficult to stop starting lineup.

[dabom]

They also post on Spurstalk under other names.

:lol

[Keepin' it real]

https://media.giphy.com/media/5mBE2MiMVFITS/giphy.gif

WOW!!! What time is the press conference?

[raybies]

WOW!!! What time is the press conference?
i cracked myself up... :)

[TheGreatYacht]

Posters still against forming superteams even after these last 3 years :lol

Why sign arguably the greatest PG ever when you will have to lose D-League players like Forbes and Green, washed vets like Gasol, Lee, Manure, and Joel Anthony

:cry mah depth

Ring chasers and players who want to get paid after 1 good year in the Spurs system will come knocking

[NASpurs]

Like I said before, if Paul coming here gets rid of the dead weight, then I'm in support of him coming here. Kawhi is surrounded by a bunch of shit right now. Maybe some ring chasers join Paul coming here to fill up the roster.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Posters still against forming superteams even after these last 3 years :lol

Why sign arguably the greatest PG ever when you will have to lose D-League players like Forbes and Green, washed vets like Gasol, Lee, Manure, and Joel Anthony.

Lol, this, and we wouldnt even have to lose this much. This is why Spurs posters arent the GM, they would bankrupt us overpaying garbage scrubs just because they played good for us 3 straight games 4 years ago. Pathetic.

[RD2191]

The dubs win 3 straight if CP3 doesn't join the Spurs, too much talent on one roster.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lol, this, and we wouldnt even have to lose this much. This is why Spurs posters arent the GM, they would bankrupt us overpaying garbage scrubs just because they played good for us 3 straight games 4 years ago. Pathetic.
^ this guy gets it.

This warriors team is something the league has never seen before, and cute little role players aren't going to beat them. Kawhi needs a Kyrie to his Lebron.

[raybies]

but i think it's safe to say that Paul's camp is telling PATFO they want to hear more and to make a run at him, whether it's because Paul wants like leverage like how the Raiders use us or if he in fact really might want to come here. I doubt he needs leverage though.

[RD2191]

Let's push this bad boy past 100, fuck the jimmer thread.

[dabom]

Let's push this bad boy past 100, fuck the jimmer thread.

:lmao

[Spurs 4 The Win]

^ this guy gets it.

This warriors team is something the league has never seen before, and cute little role players aren't going to beat them. Kawhi needs a Kyrie to his Lebron.

CP3 would make Kawhi and Aldridge better and it would allow Kawhi to not have to do literally everything, which will help keep him healthy and wanting to be here long term when he sees we can get him a star when he needs it. This is a no brainer, if CP3 wants to come, you make it happen, period.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

but i think it's safe to say that Paul's camp is telling PATFO they want to hear more and to make a run at him, whether it's because Paul wants like leverage like how the Raiders use us or if he in fact really might want to come here. I doubt he needs leverage though.

What leverage, he already will get a max contract from LA regardless... Paul is a competitor and wants to play in the WCF on the big stage, he knows it aint happening with losers like DeAndre, Reddick, Crawf:lolrd, and Griffin.

[dabom]

We need to get to 200.

[raybies]

What leverage, he already will get a max contract from LA regardless... Paul is a competitor and wants to play in the WCF on the big stage, he knows it aint happening with losers like DeAndre, Reddick, Crawf:lolrd, and Griffin.

He's their best player. He needs help. Griffin is hurt almost every playoff run it seems and Jordan is just a finishing big. He needs more option. Their big 3 has their flaws in a lot of ways. You can't argue with LMA and Kawhi the floor would be balanced. Can you imagine the quality of looks LMA would consistently get. The quality looks Paul would get with the spacing of Leonard and Green if he stays. Clippers have Reddick but they've been without a SF for several years. Would love to see Kawhi and Paul in the side pick and roll. Also Paul's three point shooting ability and defense would be an upgrade to what we have now. I'm back and forth but like NAspurs said I'll be good either way.

Also must mention on the argument of Paul's injuries, don't you trust Pop's minutes management and rest days to have him playing more efficiently and better rested. I would buy that. He could age well and if he's injured we still have Murray that can start and it'd be the same as if Paul didn't come anyways albeit a hefty paycheck. I'm not worried about that though. Injuries happen and you can't really control that.

[ECOV]

At least the spurs are getting a face to face meeting with Chris Paul

[raybies]

At least the spurs are getting a face to face meeting with Chris Paul
there really isnt another option if your paul. your team is better than everyone outside the top 3 and the spurs are the next big thing outside the warriors and cavs.

[SpursFan86]

The choice is clear for CP3 unless he really just cares about money and big city life..Stop pretending you're going to have a chance vs the Warriors in Clippers uniform :lol..

The question is: do the Spurs really give him that great of a chance at beating GS to warrant taking a ~$50 million paycut? I'm not sure him coming here even gives him a 50% chance at a ring. Would you give up $50 million for those sort of odds?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

The question is: do the Spurs really give him that great of a chance at beating GS to warrant taking a ~$50 million paycut? I'm not sure him coming here even gives him a 50% chance at a ring. Would you give up $50 million for those sort of odds?

Remember that tax policy in California and Texas significantly shrink that gap and that is before cost of living is factored in. Someone did some math earlier and showed they arent that far apart. CP3 is paying close attention to the Warriors right now, he knows that the Clippers arent even in the same stratosphere as the Warriors.

[raybies]

i think an unseen selling point was actually what the spurs did to the warriors until KL's injury. and then if your Paul you think how outmatched you were when your team played the warriors.

[sasaint]

there really isnt another option if your paul. your team is better than everyone outside the top 3 and the spurs are the next big thing outside the warriors and cavs.

That has been true the last couple of years, but will it be true going forward?

[SpursFan86]

i think an unseen selling point was actually what the spurs did to the warriors until KL's injury.

I'm going to take a guess and say that CP3 doesn't base his decision off of 3 quarters of basketball...

Hell, I think it's more likely that he's thinking "Wow, look how absolutely shitty SA looked without Kawhi...what happens if he goes down again and I'm left with Aldridge" :lol

[Spurs 4 The Win]

i think an unseen selling point was actually what the spurs did to the warriors until KL's injury. and then if your Paul you think how outmatched you were when your team played the warriors.

Exactly, and Paul has to think about whether he wants be a ringless fagg:lolt his whole career or not.

[dabom]

I'm going to take a guess and say that CP3 doesn't base his decision off of 3 quarters of basketball...

Hell, I think it's more likely that he's thinking "Wow, look how absolutely shitty SA looked without Kawhi...what happens if he goes down again and I'm left with Aldridge" :lol

You are the worst spurs fan on these boards faggot. Always talking shit about the Spurs and slobbering every other player. :lmao

[raybies]

The question is: do the Spurs really give him that great of a chance at beating GS to warrant taking a ~$50 million paycut? I'm not sure him coming here even gives him a 50% chance at a ring. Would you give up $50 million for those sort of odds?
id like to chime in with another question, do you think he'd take the 50 million knowing his team cant beat the warriors and he'd have to settle with second and first round exits for the rest of his elite playing days?

i know some fans like to sell our team short but we are much closer than we think. Having a top 3 player can do that. and the fact that hes already been there done that cant be overlooked. he was a champion before they were. we have the last samurai of the old dynasty lol

[sasaint]

i think an unseen selling point was actually what the spurs did to the warriors until KL's injury. and then if your Paul you think how outmatched you were when your team played the warriors.

Yes, Paul would probably see himself as a difference maker with the Spurs' current roster. But what would a projected roster look like to him?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Yes, Paul would probably see himself as a difference maker with the Spurs' current roster. But what would a projected roster look like to him?

Dont forget we have the best front office in basketball, they will find the players we need if he comes. The more I think about it, the more I think he comes here.

[coachmac87]

I mean I've been trying to say it's a real possibility for awhile now...but nah don't listen to Coach.

2020 Plan into affect

[raybies]

Yes, Paul would probably see himself as a difference maker with the Spurs' current roster. But what would a projected roster look like to him?
all we can do is speculate but i'd imagine PATFO is scheming as we speak, preparing scenarios and a package to deliver in a meeting. Paul, Leonard, and Aldridge would be fine in high usage. the'd make a lot of players better. I personally trust PAtfo abilty to surround them with suitable talent and its not based on blind faith either, theyve done it.

[sasaint]

The dubs win 3 straight if CP3 doesn't join the Spurs, too much talent on one roster.

The Dubs probably win 3 straight anyway.

There are other teams poised to supplant the Spurs in the NBA pecking order and succeed the Dubs when their reign ends - most obviously the Celts, with plenty of young pieces and plenty of high draft picks. A trade or big FA, and they could easily become a very elite team.

[NASpurs]

Would DeAndre Jordan even be in the league if it wasn't for Paul? I mean come on. :lol

[coachmac87]

Yes, Paul would probably see himself as a difference maker with the Spurs' current roster. But what would a projected roster look like to him?

I think if CP3 is coming I'd almost bet Manu, Lee come back for the minimum

[sasaint]

all we can do is speculate but i'd imagine PATFO is scheming as we speak, preparing scenarios and a package to deliver in a meeting. Paul, Leonard, and Aldridge would be fine in high usage. the'd make a lot of players better. I personally trust PAtfo abilty to surround them with suitable talent and its not based on blind faith either, theyve done it.

I think that is my point, though - speculation. Just as we fans speculate, Paul has to speculate, too. But we fans aren't speculating with millions of dollars at stake. That kind of speculation can make a guy a lot more conservative. That's a +/- $50MM gamble we aren't making.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I think that is my point, though - speculation. Just as we fans speculate, Paul has to speculate, too. But we fans aren't speculating with millions of dollars at stake. That kind of speculation can make a guy a lot more conservative. That's a +/- $50MM gamble we aren't making.

Dude, its not a 50 fucking million dollar gamble. Cost of living and taxes make it much less.

[dabom]

If the Spurs FO are looking for a meeting, that means they are interested and that they can and will shed contracts.

[sasaint]

I think if CP3 is coming I'd almost bet Manu, Lee come back for the minimum

I don't know that I agree about Manu, but I think Lee's injury destined him to opt in. So, okay, Paul says "I'll get to play with Aging Manu and aging/injured Lee." You think that is a draw?

[dabom]

CP3 giving the Spurs a "strong consideration" means he is fine making less than the super max. If the money was everything he thought about, he wouldn't even meet the Spurs.

[dabom]

This is a doable pick-up.

[sasaint]

Dude, its not a 50 fucking million dollar gamble. Cost of living and taxes make it much less.

Whatever... It is still tens of millions of dollars the guy is gambling, speculating on his potential teammates just as we are.

[szkorhetz]

Exactly, and Paul has to think about whether he wants be a ringless fagg:lolt his whole career or not.
If the Warriors stay together, nobody else will ring in the next 7 years.

[NASpurs]

So let's say Griffin and Paul resign, what kind of trash team are the Clippers putting on the floor next year after Reddick and a whole bunch of their FAs leave?

[RD2191]

The Dubs probably win 3 straight anyway.

There are other teams poised to supplant the Spurs in the NBA pecking order and succeed the Dubs when their reign ends - most obviously the Celts, with plenty of young pieces and plenty of high draft picks. A trade or big FA, and they could easily become a very elite team.

Celts :lol was LeBron diagnosed with cancer or something?

[TimDunkem]

So let's say Griffin and Paul resign, what kind of trash team are the Clippers putting on the floor next year after Reddick and a whole bunch of their FAs leave?Can't they use Bird rights to re-sign Reddick? They'll probably trot out the same squad next season.

[coachmac87]

I don't know that I agree about Manu, but I think Lee's injury destined him to opt in. So, okay, Paul says "I'll get to play with Aging Manu and aging/injured Lee." You think that is a draw?

No but it helps with depth in the RS..they're not the selling point to Paul..

[sasaint]

Celts :lol was LeBron diagnosed with cancer or something?

Didn't take you for a troll. With a great but aging LeBron, the Cavs' trajectory is not upward. A decent Celts team with their assets and potential to translate a few of them into a star player through a trade or FA signing gives them an upward trajectory. There are other young teams that have show improvement and the potential to make even more improvement.

[coachmac87]

CP3 giving the Spurs a "strong consideration" means he is fine making less than the super max. If the money was everything he thought about, he wouldn't even meet the Spurs.

My guy making sense

[soxxx]

I think you have to go for it if you feel it would improve the team. The Spurs could not sign him and slowly rebuild but someone has to challenge Golden State, and I believe the Spurs were a lot closer than most think had they not gotten injured.

Its a shame Westbrook signed his stupid extension, I would have welcome'd here in a heartbeat right now.

[sasaint]

Can't they use Bird rights to re-sign Reddick? They'll probably trot out the same squad next season.

That's what I figure. So how does Paul assess their "known" roster to the Spurs' unknown?

New question - does anybody know what Paul's relationship with Doc is like?

[raybies]

I think that is my point, though - speculation. Just as we fans speculate, Paul has to speculate, too. But we fans aren't speculating with millions of dollars at stake. That kind of speculation can make a guy a lot more conservative. That's a +/- $50MM gamble we aren't making.
really depends where he is at mentally tbh. If he wants to win and he's all about winning at this point of his career, it's not unprecedented, as far as players go in general, that he'd leave money on the table for a better chance to win. And the argument for leaving 50+ and that's valid but you just never know. He's made a lot of money off endorsements... As a fan I'd be happy with whatever and what's 150 million to 200 million to us mortals but i can say this as a competitive player, you hate to lose and all the money in the world can't cure that feeling. From a fan's perspective we'd call it selling out for money, but for him it's tough to say. From what I gather he's a fierce competitor and he put's it all on the line and if he knows that he'll lose it's best for him to leave. He's the one that has to live with the regrets and lack of legacy he leaves. When your great you want people to know your great. You want to feel like you made a difference and for the most part all people care about is rings. With the current mood of players he could very well come here. James, Allen, Durant, etc. Some people get tired of losing man. Sometimes all you want is to win. He's in a business. When you work in a business you want to get to the top. No one wants to work a dead end job. It's depressing... It'll be a tough decision and speaking as unbiased as possible, the best basketball move is to move on here imo. He's had several years to get it done and the personel just isn't getting it done and with questionable roster moves i think you doubt management's ability to produce a winner as well as players like Griffin and DeAndre and if they can get it done. But let's face he is their best player right now. They are at their best when Blake is playing extremely well and like a #1 option. A lot to juggle.

[sasaint]

My guy making sense

IF you take it all at face value and not as posturing. I don't think it is a given that the Clips would offer Paul a super-max deal.

[raybies]

So let's say Griffin and Paul resign, what kind of trash team are the Clippers putting on the floor next year after Reddick and a whole bunch of their FAs leave?
pretty much. their cap situation is a mess

[soxxx]

Also you have to keep in mind, Chris Paul is Lebron James closest friend in the league, closer than even Dwayne Wade, its not outside the realm of possibility Paul will feel compelled because it would be the next closest thing to him playing with James, (beating golden state of course).

[coachmac87]

IF you take it all at face value and not as posturing. I don't think it is a given that the Clips would offer Paul a super-max deal.

I dunno man I think that's there ONLY chance....

Unless they pull something sneaky and try to get Melo or something that's another selling point they could have.

[sasaint]

really depends where he is at mentally tbh. If he wants to win and he's all about winning at this point of his career, it's not unprecedented, as far as players go in general, that he'd leave money on the table for a better chance to win. And the argument for leaving 50+ and that's valid but you just never know. He's made a lot of money off endorsements... As a fan I'd be happy with whatever and what's 150 million to 200 million to us mortals but i can say this as a competitive player, you hate to lose and all the money in the world can't cure that feeling. From a fan's perspective we'd call it selling out for money, but for him it's tough to say. From what I gather he's a fierce competitor and he put's it all on the line and if he knows that he'll lose it's best for him to leave. He's the one that has to live with the regrets and lack of legacy he leaves. When your great you want people to know your great. You want to feel like you made a difference and for the most part all people care about is rings. With the current mood of players he could very well come here. James, Allen, Durant, etc. Some people get tired of losing man. Sometimes all you want is to win. He's in a business. When you work in a business you want to get to the top. No one wants to work a dead end job. It's depressing... It'll be a tough decision and speaking as unbiased as possible, the best basketball move is to move on here imo. He's had several years to get it done and the personel just isn't getting it done and with questionable roster moves i think you doubt management's ability to produce a winner as well as players like Griffin and DeAndre and if they can get it done. But let's face he is their best player right now. They are at their best when Blake is playing extremely well and like a #1 option. A lot to juggle.

Good points. And I have stated in several threads over the last week or so that I don't think it's a given that the Clips will give him a super-max deal. The same arguments you just posed work from that organization's perspective, too. They gotta be asking if they want to stand pat moving forward. They are asking themselves whether they want to invest like 80% of their roster in 3 guys who haven't gotten it done. So, who are their "keepers"? Let Blake go and fill-in? Let Paul go and keep Blake or just try to replace them and rebuild?

[sasaint]

pretty much. their cap situation is a mess

Exactly. That organization has some tough decisions to make which could definitely affect Paul.

[BatManu20]

I think he's seriously considering us, sure, but I still don't think it happens. With that said, this seems to be picking up some steam, and where's there's smoke... Should be interesting.


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[coachmac87]

really depends where he is at mentally tbh. If he wants to win and he's all about winning at this point of his career, it's not unprecedented, as far as players go in general, that he'd leave money on the table for a better chance to win. And the argument for leaving 50+ and that's valid but you just never know. He's made a lot of money off endorsements... As a fan I'd be happy with whatever and what's 150 million to 200 million to us mortals but i can say this as a competitive player, you hate to lose and all the money in the world can't cure that feeling. From a fan's perspective we'd call it selling out for money, but for him it's tough to say. From what I gather he's a fierce competitor and he put's it all on the line and if he knows that he'll lose it's best for him to leave. He's the one that has to live with the regrets and lack of legacy he leaves. When your great you want people to know your great. You want to feel like you made a difference and for the most part all people care about is rings. With the current mood of players he could very well come here. James, Allen, Durant, etc. Some people get tired of losing man. Sometimes all you want is to win. He's in a business. When you work in a business you want to get to the top. No one wants to work a dead end job. It's depressing... It'll be a tough decision and speaking as unbiased as possible, the best basketball move is to move on here imo. He's had several years to get it done and the personel just isn't getting it done and with questionable roster moves i think you doubt management's ability to produce a winner as well as players like Griffin and DeAndre and if they can get it done. But let's face he is their best player right now. They are at their best when Blake is playing extremely well and like a #1 option. A lot to jugglie.


Great post. I just find it fascinating that this is like the 3rd report since the Spurs have been eliminated..I can't recall a FA getting this much attention before the NBA season ended.

And to the people talking about the $$...that's a vanilla take. We know the Clippers can offer the most $$ but there's reason behind all this. What moves can Clippers make to improve roster? What will Spurs roster look like? There is more selling points other than a MAX contract

[spursistan]

I think he's seriously considering us, sure, but I still don't think it happens. With that said, this seems to be picking up some steam, and where's there's smoke... Should be interesting.


870671355661795328

let's hope CP3 got demoralized watching the Warriors last night and said to himself "There is no effin way I'm sniffing a ring here"...Superteams is the way to go..

[$pursDynasty]

what would stop CP3 from pulling a LeBron, sign a 2 year deal, with a player option for the 3rd year with the Spurs for way less than the max. Get a ring, then possibly return to the Clippers or the Hornets for the big money deal. He gets a ring, learns the secrets of the post season, and while he is gone the Clippers get to restock with lottery picks. In the short run he loses a little cash but if he could go back to the Clippers after 2-3 years away with a ring or two, he would probably still get a max deal, while not as big as what he could get if he stayed and the money given up while with the Spurs, it would be more than made for in marketing $'s returning to Los Angeles as a Champion.

[raybies]

what would stop CP3 from pulling a LeBron, sign a 2 year deal, with a player option for the 3rd year with the Spurs for way less than the max. Get a ring, then possibly return to the Clippers or the Hornets for the big money deal. He gets a ring, learns the secrets of the post season, and while he is gone the Clippers get to restock with lottery picks. In the short run he loses a little cash but if he could go back to the Clippers after 2-3 years away with a ring or two, he would probably still get a max deal, while not as big as what he could get if he stayed and the money given up while with the Spurs, it would be more than made for in marketing $'s returning to Los Angeles as a Champion.
Perfect. We'd have Murray. He's not taking less. This might be his last major payday.

[Drom John]

what would stop CP3 from pulling a LeBron, sign a 2 year deal, with a player option for the 3rd year with the Spurs for way less than the max. Get a ring, then possibly return to the Clippers or the Hornets for the big money deal. He gets a ring, learns the secrets of the post season, and while he is gone the Clippers get to restock with lottery picks. In the short run he loses a little cash but if he could go back to the Clippers after 2-3 years away with a ring or two, he would probably still get a max deal, while not as big as what he could get if he stayed and the money given up while with the Spurs, it would be more than made for in marketing $'s returning to Los Angeles as a Champion.

I'd be fine with that.

[Clipper Nation]

let's hope CP3 got demoralized watching the Warriors last night and said to himself "There is no effin way I'm sniffing a ring here"...Superteams is the way to go..
He's not sniffing a ring with the Spurs either. He's not sniffing a ring until he either learns to stop overdribbling and choking or goes ring-chasing in his late 30s.

[Keepin' it real]

i cracked myself up... :)

:lol

[spursistan]

I will have to think back channels may have already been established by now to gauge his real interest in order to prepare contingent roster plans (dumps, trade ..etc)..

Still I would say it's more like %75-%25 to the Clippers whereas KD was something like 5%-7% chance..

[TD 21]

let's hope CP3 got demoralized watching the Warriors last night and said to himself "There is no effin way I'm sniffing a ring here"...Superteams is the way to go..


I will have to think back channels may have already been established by now to gauge his real interest in order to prepare contingent roster plans (dumps, trade ..etc)..

Still I would say it's more like %75-%25 to the Clippers whereas KD was something like 5%-7% chance..

:tu

Good point about destroying Clippers too. Knock them out of picture, vault a clear level above Rockets and at least assure (barring injury, of course) making the WCF the next few seasons.

[BatManu20]

youtu.be/W1392-uKAdw

[SAGirl]

The Dubs probably win 3 straight anyway.

There are other teams poised to supplant the Spurs in the NBA pecking order and succeed the Dubs when their reign ends - most obviously the Celts, with plenty of young pieces and plenty of high draft picks. A trade or big FA, and they could easily become a very elite team.

They could have had a star and maybe given Lebron fits, but yea they didn't want to lose depth...:downspin:

[sasaint]

They could have had a star and maybe given Lebron fits, but yea they didn't want to lose depth...:downspin:

Yeah, I am not a big fan of what DAinge did with his picks last draft day. But the Celts did make the Conference Finals in the Least doing what they have done. They are one legitimate star from giving LeBron fits going forward, and they have the stockpile of assets to do something big this draft. Plus, I like what some of the other young teams have done in the last year or so.

I like some of the scenarios set forth by some ST posters to make a bold move or two this draft. I think GSH is absolutely right about this being a critical draft for the Spurs. We need to get some young talent on cheap contracts to pay the LMA/Pau/Manu/TP mortgage. I don't want to take on a CP3 mortgage. I want to give the keys to Murray as we did TP at a tender age.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

He's not sniffing a ring with the Spurs either. He's not sniffing a ring until he either learns to stop overdribbling and choking or goes ring-chasing in his late 30s.

So much salt, lets see what a real coach can do with talent like CP3.

LOL Vinny DelNegr:lol
LOL D:lolc Rivers

[rasuo214]

Yeah, I am not a big fan of what DAinge did with his picks last draft day. But the Celts did make the Conference Finals in the Least doing what they have done. They are one legitimate star from giving LeBron fits going forward, and they have the stockpile of assets to do something big this draft. Plus, I like what some of the other young teams have done in the last year or so.

I like some of the scenarios set forth by some ST posters to make a bold move or two this draft. I think GSH (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1519) is absolutely right about this being a critical draft for the Spurs. We need to get some young talent on cheap contracts to pay the LMA/Pau/Manu/TP mortgage. I don't want to take on a CP3 mortgage. I want to give the keys to Murray as we did TP at a tender age.

The problem is Ainge is very stingy with that talent and those picks. Either he overvalues them or he refuses to make any deal where he doesn't clearly win.

[sasaint]

The problem is Ainge is very stingy with that talent and those picks. Either he overvalues them or he refuses to make any deal where he doesn't clearly win.

No question - that's been his MO. But he has an embarrassment of riches right now, and I expect him to make a big move this off season.

[gambit1990]

spurs were fine without parker.

kawhi did so much heavy lifting in game 1 against the warriors. him with cp3? :wow

[Uriel]

All-Star point guard Chris Paul (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul) intends to give the San Antonio Spurs (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) serious consideration in free agency this summer in the event he decides to leave the LA Clippers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/la-clippers), according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN that Paul, for all of his undeniable fondness for Los Angeles, is intrigued by the idea of teaming up with the likes of Spurs coach Gregg Popovich and MVP top-three finalist Kawhi Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard) in his quest to achieve the deep playoff success that has eluded Paul to this point in his career.

Free agency is still a month away, but sources say the Clippers already have begun contemplating roster and organizational changes aimed at convincing Paul ‎to re-sign after he declines to exercise his player option, as expected.

Sources say the Clippers' pursuit of NBA legend Jerry West (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4151/jerry-west) to join their front office, as ESPN reported earlier this week (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19501765/los-angeles-clippers-interested-hiring-jerry-west-away-golden-state-warriors), is an example of a potential addition aimed at swaying Paul to stay.

The Spurs, sources say, are increasingly considered a lock to at least secure a face-to-face meeting with Paul when free agency begins July 1, despite the fact San Antonio would almost certainly have to sacrifice considerable roster depth to make him a representative contract offer.

As daunting as some of the moves are that San Antonio would have to consider to create the requisite salary-cap space to aggressively pursue Paul, one source said of the Spurs' interest in the veteran floor leader: "They love him."
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19521062/chris-paul-give-strong-consideration-san-antonio-spurs-free-agency-sources

[Hoops Czar]

This forum is so gullible. :lol

[sasaint]

Good points. And I have stated in several threads over the last week or so that I don't think it's a given that the Clips will give him a super-max deal. The same arguments you just posed work from that organization's perspective, too. They gotta be asking if they want to stand pat moving forward. They are asking themselves whether they want to invest like 80% of their cap in 3 guys who haven't gotten it done. So, who are their "keepers"? Let Blake go and fill-in? Let Paul go and keep Blake or just try to replace them and rebuild?

[gambit1990]

cp3 should join the spurs or get lebron to trade irving for him.

[BillMc]

This forum is so gullible. :lol

Golly.

[gambit1990]

must suck to be a clipper fan... their splash would be to keep players they already had :lol

and they're losing redick if they keep cp3 + griffin, right?

also, just found out... they're paying jamal crawford $29 million over the next two years :lol

[cjw]

It's complete misinformation that the difference is $50 million (actually $53mm). The non-Clippers deal would end a year earlier, meaning the difference is closer to $7 million over the first four years. In year five, add another $4 million to that but an opportunity to hit FA earlier. So $11 million over five years. Same misnomer as when Dwight was a FA.

Also, better to hit FA again at 36 than 37 (or 35 if getting an ETO ... could even at 34 with a 2+1 deal).

Yes, it's less guaranteed money if he were to suffer a career altering or ending injury. And the Spurs may not even be able to offer the full max.

[BillMc]

It's complete misinformation that the difference is $50 million (actually $53mm). The non-Clippers deal would end a year earlier, meaning the difference is closer to $7 million over the first four years. In year five, add another $4 million to that but an opportunity to hit FA earlier. So $11 million over five years. Same misnomer as when Dwight was a FA.

Also, better to hit FA again at 36 than 37 (or 35 if getting an ETO ... could even at 34 with a 2+1 deal).

Yes, it's less guaranteed money if he were to suffer a career altering or ending injury. And the Spurs may not even be able to offer the full max.

Good point. And when you compare California taxes vs no Texas taxes, what is the actual final difference in CP3"s take home income if Spurs can come up with the max?

[cjw]

Good point. And when you compare California taxes vs no Texas taxes, what is the actual final difference in CP3"s take home income if Spurs can come up with the max?

It would more than erase it if applied in a vacuum (over 10%). But don't forget players pay taxes based on where they play games throughout year (so impact is reduced by at least 50%). And with endorsements I imagine it depends on where he lives in offseason too. They have expensive tax guys who help them optimize all of it though.

If Trump has his way and eliminates state tax deductions, even bigger (not taking a stance on that, and wouldn't love it as a NYC resident paying tons of tax.

[sananspursfan21]

I don't know guys, are we still sure this is such a good idea?

[Dex]

There aren't any pieces on this roster outside of Kawhi that aren't worth losing to secure Chris Paul. That's just an obvious fact.

Personally, I don't think the Spurs brass would move Parker to make it happen. He is a foundation of the franchise (whether people want to admit it or not), and it would not be a good look to try to move or dump a guy after he goes down fighting his heart out in the Western Conference playoffs. That does make things considerably more difficult.

However...everyone else is on the table. Do you really want to keep Green, Gasol, Anderson, or even Aldridge over CP3? Mills, Dedmon, Simmons, and Lee already have a foot halfway out the door as it is. Ginobili is a mystery. He will only come back for the Spurs, but he better not be expecting another $14M.

Spurs had a good chance to ring this year, but the cards would have had to fall perfectly...and they didn't. It makes sense to me to increase the odds by getting two big gamers (and maybe a Big 3 if Aldridge doesn't get shipped), a solid cast around them (which the FO will find a way to manage), and see what Pop can do with them.

[SnakeBoy]

This forum is so gullible. :lol

:lol

[spurs1990]

It's complete misinformation that the difference is $50 million (actually $53mm). The non-Clippers deal would end a year earlier, meaning the difference is closer to $7 million over the first four years. In year five, add another $4 million to that but an opportunity to hit FA earlier. So $11 million over five years. Same misnomer as when Dwight was a FA.

Also, better to hit FA again at 36 than 37 (or 35 if getting an ETO ... could even at 34 with a 2+1 deal).

Yes, it's less guaranteed money if he were to suffer a career altering or ending injury. And the Spurs may not even be able to offer the full max.

This really drives home some good points on why Paul is a feasible get.

I'd also like to add the already hefty coin Paul has collected so far career wise. Per basketballreference he's grossed $160m through 2017.

So he can make $200m in LA for five yrs or 150m in SA for four. And as you wrote he hits FA a year sooner so he can make up that $50m deficit, say by at least half.

So totalling up career earnings that would be $360m vs $335m. Now I'm not trying to count a man's pockets but losing out in 7% of your career earnings for a shot at winning a title (or getting to the WCF!) would probably be something to think about.

As a comparison David West did make that choice passing up $10m after $80m career earnings, 11% paycut overall. So Paul's move wouldn't be extraordinary and again his lifetime salary far surpasses all but a dozen league players. Of course the politics of him being a union head and leaving money will also come into play most likely.

I'm eager to see this play out especially with Leonard only being 26 and having 5 years of prime ball left. So even if things go south with Paul after a couple years the team can still rebound for a possibly a couple years of Leonard's late prime.

[CGD]

I bet the Clips are trying to avoid paying him the super max. CP3 camp just turning up the heat.

It would be neat the think about CP3 and Leonard together. In a year, with his length, Murray could move to the SG and Bertans could be the stretch 4 in small ball line ups. LMA at center needs to just happen.

[I. Hustle]

This really drives home some good points on why Paul is a feasible get.

I'd also like to add the already hefty coin Paul has collected so far career wise. Per basketballreference he's grossed $160m through 2017.

So he can make $200m in LA for five yrs or 150m in SA for four. And as you wrote he hits FA a year sooner so he can make up that $50m deficit, say by at least half.

So totalling up career earnings that would be $360m vs $335m. Now I'm not trying to count a man's pockets but losing out in 7% of your career earnings for a shot at winning a title (or getting to the WCF!) would probably be something to think about.

As a comparison David West did make that choice passing up $10m after $80m career earnings, 11% paycut overall. So Paul's move wouldn't be extraordinary and again his lifetime salary far surpasses all but a dozen league players. Of course the politics of him being a union head and leaving money will also come into play most likely.

I'm eager to see this play out especially with Leonard only being 26 and having 5 years of prime ball left. So even if things go south with Paul after a couple years the team can still rebound for a possibly a couple years of Leonard's late prime.

Do you think state taxes factor in as well? I mean yes we can look at it as $50 million less but there are no state taxes in Texas so does that make the hit a little more tolerable? I'll hang up and listen.

[Spurs9]

Do you think state taxes factor in as well? I mean yes we can look at it as $50 million less but there are no state taxes in Texas so does that make the hit a little more tolerable? I'll hang up and listen.

Yes state tax can have an effect as well. Also that just his NBA salary, no telling how much he earns on other endorsements with statefarm etc. The difference in money isn't going to have any effect on his life, its already a absurd amount of $.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol I love how fans always want to believe that athletes won't care about the extra money, simply due to the amount of money they've already generated..

Gj7A9jXClEo

[cd98]

Getting Paul means losing important cap space in 2018 to form a team that isn't good enough to beat the Warriors and will be a noose in year 4 and 5.

[yavozerb]

Getting Paul means losing important cap space in 2018 to form a team that isn't good enough to beat the Warriors and will be a noose in year 4 and 5.

Please take a look at fa's in 2018? If you think you can get Durant then you wait if not you get Paul now while you can. Nobody worth waiting on for 2018, you go for it now.

[cd98]

Please take a look at fa's in 2018? If you think you can get Durant then you wait if not you get Paul now while you can. Nobody worth waiting on for 2018, you go for it now.

I like Paul George. Kawhi and George would be a mean defensive/offensive duo against the Warriors. And Kawhi is clutch so we don't have to worry about George's chokes.

[TheGreatYacht]

Paul George isn't coming here lmfao. He's Lakers bound. Have you seen his Jimmy Kimmel interview?

The 2018 FA class is horrendous. CP3 haters can keep pretending it isn't though

[cd98]

Paul George isn't coming here lmfao. He's Lakers bound. Have you seen his Jimmy Kimmel interview?

The 2018 FA class is horrendous. CP3 haters can keep pretending it isn't though

Im not a CP3 hater. I'd love to have him on the Spurs if it wasn't for a max contract that will hurt when Kawhi is in his prime.

[TheGreatYacht]

Im not a CP3 hater. I'd love to have him on the Spurs if it wasn't for a max contract that will hurt when Kawhi is in his prime.
It's a shit ton of money, but if you had a choice between CP3 or Green/Gasol... It's an easy choice. Not even going to count Mills because he's a free agent and paying him the money he's going to get will end a franchise.

[yavozerb]

If the spurs think they can get cp3 they well go after him hard and make the necessary moves to get him. You build depth around stars not stars around depth. If the spurs are not able to to sign cp3 then it's because cp3 said no. You don't pass up opportunities to sign an all star caliber player, ever.

[ace3g]

The biggest advantage CP3 would bring to the Spurs is how teams would guard our PnR. CP3 is a threat from 3 (unlike TP) so teams can't always go under screens.

[cd98]

It's a shit ton of money, but if you had a choice between CP3 or Green/Gasol... It's an easy choice. Not even going to count Mills because he's a free agent and paying him the money he's going to get will end a franchise.


Its not not that easy. Gasol's and Green's money comes off the cap next year. Spurs will have cap space to remake the team for Kawhi's prime. But Paul will take a max contract for the next 5 years. Two of those years, at least, will be a burden on the Spurs cap during the Kawhi prime. At least that's my concern. That and I don't think CP3 gets us over the hump, even if it gets us closer.

[Nathan89]

The biggest advantage CP3 would bring to the Spurs is how teams would guard our PnR. CP3 is a threat from 3 (unlike TP) so teams can't always go under screens.

We won't have a big that can pnr though.

[tholdren]

The biggest advantage CP3 would bring to the Spurs is how teams would guard our PnR. CP3 is a threat from 3 (unlike TP) so teams can't always go under screens.

Lol ace please. You watch all the games, how many times did gasol or lma actually make contact with a screen? It had to be close to 0 in the playoffs

[dabom]

We won't have a big that can pnr though.

CP3 can pnp too.

[Nathan89]

CP3 can pnp too.

LMA isn't a great shooter either. He's no Ibaka from mid-range when left wide open.

[dabom]

LMA isn't a great shooter either. He's no Ibaka from mid-range when left wide open.

He's hesitant to shoot because he usually has a double or triple team. He'd get WIDE open fucking shots.

[cd98]

LMA isn't a great shooter either. He's no Ibaka from mid-range when left wide open.

Man he used to be a great midrange shooter. I don't know what happened to his jumper this year.

[objective]

Paul George isn't coming here lmfao. He's Lakers bound. Have you seen his Jimmy Kimmel interview?

The 2018 FA class is horrendous. CP3 haters can keep pretending it isn't though

Funny how nobody on the 2018 hype train ever gives a plausible list of free agents

Then they'll mention how Green and LMA can come off too ... Ignoring that those two will be among the best free agents around

[bic50]

If cp3 doesn't join the Spurs. What other options at pg is there for the Spurs ?

[Hoops Czar]

Funny how nobody on the 2018 hype train ever gives a plausible list of free agents

Then they'll mention how Green and LMA can come off too ... Ignoring that those two will be among the best free agents around

Don't forget Kyle Anderson. Word on the street is that he's improving everyday and that he was the leading scorer in an elimination game against the GSW's. Those kinds of things don't don't go unnoticed.

[cd98]

Note CP3 max contract would hurt with 2020 and 2021 free agency. Kawhi prime years.

[Hoops Czar]

If cp3 doesn't join the Spurs. What other options at pg is there for the Spurs ?

The list of free agents in 2018 doesn't include those with player options. Russell Westbrook can opt out next year and the Spurs should go hard after him.

[Play Boban]

Yes state tax can have an effect as well. Also that just his NBA salary, no telling how much he earns on other endorsements with statefarm etc. The difference in money isn't going to have any effect on his life, its already a absurd amount of $.
Tell that to all the broke former NBA players tbh. These guys are brainless when it comes to managing money usually.

[coachmac87]

Note CP3 max contract would hurt with 2020 and 2021 free agency. Kawhi prime years.

You must not be aware of my 2020 thread....

Spurs ain't worrying about 4 years from now..

[MaNu4Tres]

You must not be aware of my 2020 thread....

Spurs ain't worrying about 4 years from now..

Spurs will always care about the future, thats why they sat Kawhi vs GS. They also know Paul is likely the best free agent they can possibly get the next 2-3 summers.So of course theyre going to give it a shot. Going after Paul doesnt mean they dont care about the future.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I think that is my point, though - speculation. Just as we fans speculate, Paul has to speculate, too. But we fans aren't speculating with millions of dollars at stake. That kind of speculation can make a guy a lot more conservative. That's a +/- $50MM gamble we aren't making.
The $50 million difference comes because of a 5th year. A scenario where Paul signs with SA on a 2 year deal with an opt out after one, then re-signs a new 4 year max/near max deal when the Spurs have available cap space makes the difference more like 10 million after taking into account the reduction in state income taxes.

[coachmac87]

Spurs will always care about the future, thats why they sat Kawhi vs GS. They also know Paul is likely the best free agent they can possibly get the next 2-3 summers.So of course theyre going to give it a shot. Going after Paul doesnt mean they dont care about the future.

For sure

[sasaint]

The $50 million difference comes because of a 5th year. A scenario where Paul signs with SA on a 2 year deal with an opt out after one, then re-signs a new 4 year max/near max deal when the Spurs have available cap space makes the difference more like 10 million after taking into account the reduction in state income taxes.

That's a ton of money and a ton of time to invest in a guy Paul's age. You aren't concerned that in years 4 and/or 5 he will look like current Tony except his contract would be twice as much?

[Ice009]

That's a ton of money and a ton of time to invest in a guy Paul's age. You aren't concerned that in years 4 and/or 5 he will look like current Tony except his contract would be twice as much?

I am. If he wants to opt out and sign for longer, I wouldn't go anywhere near him. I wouldn't want him on the books for longer at that much money. If he's not happy with the money he's already made and his shoe deal with Jordan brand, he can stay with the Clippers.

[DesignatedT]

Spurs can only offer four years right? I mean you are really committing to three years and in year four that large expiring contract becomes pretty easy to move if the Spurs are unhappy with the production.

[bklynspursfan]

I am. If he wants to opt out and sign for longer, I wouldn't go anywhere near him. I wouldn't want him on the books for longer at that much money. If he's not happy with the money he's already made and his shoe deal with Jordan brand, he can stay with the Clippers.

And by then he might want to team up with his banana boat buddies in Melo/Bron/Wade somewhere anyway. I doubt that place is in SA

[Play Boban]

And by then he might want to team up with his banana boat buddies in Melo/Bron/Wade somewhere anyway. I doubt that place is in SA

:cry

[spursistan]

Let's just hope he was watching these two Warriors beatdowns :lol

[cd98]

I don't see how Paul is enough.

[raybies]

kawhi is enough tbh

[CGD]

Please take a look at fa's in 2018? If you think you can get Durant then you wait if not you get Paul now while you can. Nobody worth waiting on for 2018, you go for it now.

This! The idea of using massive cap space for 2018 isn't that appealing bc of the crappy class. Paul George is going to LAL or staying with Pacer for the super max, so I dont count him as realistic.

[cd98]

This! The idea of using massive cap space for 2018 isn't that appealing bc of the crappy class. Paul George is going to LAL or staying with Pacer for the super max, so I dont count him as realistic.

He could be convinced to comeback to the Spurs.

[CGD]

It's complete misinformation that the difference is $50 million (actually $53mm). The non-Clippers deal would end a year earlier, meaning the difference is closer to $7 million over the first four years. In year five, add another $4 million to that but an opportunity to hit FA earlier. So $11 million over five years. Same misnomer as when Dwight was a FA.

Also, better to hit FA again at 36 than 37 (or 35 if getting an ETO ... could even at 34 with a 2+1 deal).

Yes, it's less guaranteed money if he were to suffer a career altering or ending injury. And the Spurs may not even be able to offer the full max.

I think the peice you're missing though is the difference in the 8% annual raises the clippers can offer versus the 5% raises a non-clipper team can offer. That's kind of a big deal.

[coachmac87]

Let's just hope he was watching these two Warriors beatdowns :lol

I'm sure another report will leak just like after Game 1...

"CP3 still strongly considering Spurs"

[cd98]

This! The idea of using massive cap space for 2018 isn't that appealing bc of the crappy class. Paul George is going to LAL or staying with Pacer for the super max, so I dont count him as realistic.


What about 2019 and 2020. Paul max would preclude it. Plus it's just too much money to walk away from. Even with taTexas taxes that 6th year guaranteed is huge.

[raybies]

^^^ LoL

[CGD]

What about 2019 and 2020. Paul max would preclude it. Plus it's just too much money to walk away from. Even with taTexas taxes that 6th year guaranteed is huge.

2019 you're rolling with Paul, Leonard, LMA as your core, assuming LMA doesn't opt out before the start of that season. You're looking for complementary pieces then, not stars. In 2020, you're looking at giving Kawhi his super deal, but also moving on from LMA or retaining him for less. You have flexibility then.

[BatManu20]

I don't see how Paul is enough.

Hes not. Especially with how much we'd be giving up in role-play. Only shot Spurs have at beating this warriors team is if Durant or Curry fall off a cliff, or Lebron realizes he's never going to win another title in Cleveland, and come to the Spurs. Maybe CP3 would care to join him for cheap then tbh. :downspin:

[BillMc]

2019 you're rolling with Paul, Leonard, LMA as your core, assuming LMA doesn't opt out before the start of that season. You're looking for complementary pieces then, not stars. In 2020, you're looking at giving Kawhi his super deal, but also moving on from LMA or retaining him for less. You have flexibility then.

This

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, 33-year old Chris Paul, 33-year old Aldridge, 80-year olds Parker and Gasol..Spurs are going to counter the Warriors by yelling at them to get off their lawns:lol

[GSH]

Damn, 33-year old Chris Paul, 33-year old Aldridge, 80-year olds Parker and Gasol..Spurs are going to counter the Warriors by yelling at them to get off their lawns:lol


:lmao

[Play Boban]

Damn, 33-year old Chris Paul, 33-year old Aldridge, 80-year olds Parker and Gasol..Spurs are going to counter the Warriors by yelling at them to get off their lawns:lol

[cjw]

I think the peice you're missing though is the difference in the 8% annual raises the clippers can offer versus the 5% raises a non-clipper team can offer. That's kind of a big deal.

I factored that in. Same starting salary with year three being 16.6% higher under 8% raises, and 10.25% higher on 5% raises. Assuming 35% of a $103 million cap (I know the max cap is slightly different) that's $42.0 million vs. 39.7 million in year three (also slightly higher in year 2).

A Paul deal would almost certainly be a 3+1 and he'd have a chance to cash in on 8% raises after year 3.

Yes, 8% vs. 5% means something but can be bridged. I'd rather get to free agency again sooner if I'm him and get one last huge check. Better at 34-35 than 36-37.

[houston spurs fan]

I'm a little embarrassed the fans are falling for this. This is Kidd all over again. The money is too good for CP3. For those saying Balmer won't pay him super max, hello he paid a $ billlion for the team. This is a classic LBJ move. You threaten to go to the Spurs in hopes Balmer, Doc, etc.. make the team a better contender. It's real alt that simple.

[coachmac87]

I'm a little embarrassed the fans are falling for this. This is Kidd all over again. The money is too good for CP3. For those saying Balmer won't pay him super max, hello he paid a $ billlion for the team. This is a classic LBJ move. You threaten to go to the Spurs in hopes Balmer, Doc, etc.. make the team a better contender. It's real alt that simple.


How do the Clippers FO make them better?? Bring back everyone else? Make trades? What player would want to go there if CP3 isn't there? CP3 is the selling point of adding other players

There isn't any leverage pull by CP3 camp lol.


Oh and Kidd is a terrible example because Kidd himself has said he chose SA but was convinced on a plane fligh by his wife to stay in NJ so SHE could pursue a career...Kidd even admitted regret not signing..

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

2019 you're rolling with Paul, Leonard, LMA as your core, assuming LMA doesn't opt out before the start of that season. You're looking for complementary pieces then, not stars. In 2020, you're looking at giving Kawhi his super deal, but also moving on from LMA or retaining him for less. You have flexibility then.

Kawhi will sign his supermax deal next summer and it will kick in in 2019.

[soxxx]

I wonder if the Cavs end up getting taken out, if Lebron leaves....imagine if he says fuck it, and joins the Spurs?

If he doesnt get it done this year, he likely wont ever beat Golden State, he could come West, earn his way to the finals, and then rail out a crappy team in the finals.

[tbdog]

I wonder if the Cavs end up getting taken out, if Lebron leaves....imagine if he says fuck it, and joins the Spurs?

If he doesnt get it done this year, he likely wont ever beat Golden State, he could come West, earn his way to the finals, and then rail out a crappy team in the finals.

Lebron has one more year before his player option.

[jermaine]

I wonder if the Cavs end up getting taken out, if Lebron leaves....imagine if he says fuck it, and joins the Spurs?

If he doesnt get it done this year, he likely wont ever beat Golden State, he could come West, earn his way to the finals, and then rail out a crappy team in the finals.

Lmmfao I told my wife this same exact thing last night. Take a pay cut to be our PG

[NASpurs]

Damn, 33-year old Chris Paul, 33-year old Aldridge, 80-year olds Parker and Gasol..Spurs are going to counter the Warriors by yelling at them to get off their lawns:lol

:lol

[soxxx]

Lebron has one more year before his player option.
Yeah just realized that, well he fucked up, it wouldnt shock me if he and KD go somewhere after next year. Have to be expect the unexpected in this days NBA.

[soxxx]

How about this, sign and trade Paul and Aldridge for Love and Irving.

How bah dah?

[look_at_g_shred]

I wonder if the Cavs end up getting taken out, if Lebron leaves....imagine if he says fuck it, and joins the Spurs?

If he doesnt get it done this year, he likely wont ever beat Golden State, he could come West, earn his way to the finals, and then rail out a crappy team in the finals.
He's recently said that he has nothing left to prove.

[coachmac87]

He's recently said that he has nothing left to prove.

He's a fucking liar...

[spursistan]

871771691210244096

anyone got insider access?

[cd98]

TBH it would probably take Kawhi and LeBron teaming up to beat the Warriors.

[TD 21]

Pelton is one of the foremost Warriors ass kissers (which is saying something), so I'd expect him to shit on the notion of Spurs even having a chance to be competitive with them.

There is a way to keep Green: Paul could sign a 1+1 contract, taking roughly $25M (highest they could give him if Gasol salary dumped, Forbes waived and all free agents renounced), opt out after the first year and sign a 4 year max. Of course, they'd have to assure him that they'd offer that even if he suffered a potential career altering injury. He'd lose about $10M next season, but gain essentially a 5th season at over $41M.

They need to preface this offer by saying, that while they could trade Green to attain max cap space, they'd obviously be weakening the team and somewhat defeating the purpose of this in the process.

[DAF86]

Pelton is one of the foremost Warriors ass kissers (which is saying something), so I'd expect him to shit on the notion of Spurs even having a chance to be competitive with them.

There is a way to keep Green: Paul could sign a 1+1 contract, taking roughly $25M (highest they could give him if Gasol salary dumped, Forbes waived and all free agents renounced), opt out after the first year and sign a 4 year max. Of course, they'd have to assure him that they'd offer that even if he suffered a potential career altering injury. He'd lose about $10M next season, but gain essentially a 5th season at over $41M.

They need to preface this offer by saying, that while they could trade Green to attain max cap space, they'd obviously be weakening the team and somewhat defeating the purpose of this in the process.

Why do all that when it would be much simplier to get Aldridge the fuck out? Which is what they need to do anyway, with our without CP3.

[BatManu20]

TBH it would probably take Kawhi and LeBron teaming up to beat the Warriors.

Yep. As I stated yesterday, Lebron coming to SA is the only way we're beating this warriors team in the next 3 years (barring injuries, obviously). Fuck KD, tbh.

[cd98]

Yep. As I stated yesterday, Lebron coming to SA is the only way we're beating this warriors team in the next 3 years (barring injuries, obviously). Fuck KD, tbh.

Incidently, he's the only star that could walk away from the Supermax because of his incredible wealth. But I doubt he would walk away. His pride says he must be paid.

[bic50]

TBH it would probably take Kawhi and LeBron teaming up to beat the Warriors.
Not really

[TD 21]

Why do all that when it would be much simplier to get Aldridge the fuck out? Which is what they need to do anyway, with our without CP3.

All that? The only part that would probably be difficult, is convincing Paul to do what I outlined.

The only chance and point of getting Paul, is to put together as close to a "super team" as possible and that would entail retaining Aldridge.

People can spout all these metrics that indicate his relatively limited impact, but the reality is, players don't know or care about that stuff. They just know he's recently been a perennial All-Star/All-NBA player, with gaudy counting stats, which they still place a premium on.

[Hoops Czar]

Yep. As I stated yesterday, Lebron coming to SA is the only way we're beating this warriors team in the next 3 years (barring injuries, obviously). Fuck KD, tbh.

Damn, I think I'm gonna have to bookmark this post for posterity.

[Chillen]

Yep. As I stated yesterday, Lebron coming to SA is the only way we're beating this warriors team in the next 3 years (barring injuries, obviously). Fuck KD, tbh.

If Spurs can sign CP3 and keep Aldridge, LeBron don't need the money he can say to Cleveland, "going to San Antonio for 3 years to try and win a championship I'll be back to sign and end my career in Cleveland". I doubt he does that but that would be the correct way to handle it as long as he promised Cleveland he will be back. I don't see the Warriors beating a Spurs team with CP3, Leonard, LeBron, Aldridge.

[coachmac87]

Brooklyn Nets Receive: C Enes Kanter, No. 29 pick (from San Antonio)

Oklahoma City Thunder Receive: C Pau Gasol

San Antonio Spurs Receive: No. 57 pick (from Brooklyn)


Denver Nuggets Receive: PF LaMarcus Aldridge

San Antonio Spurs Receive: PF Darrell Arthur, SG/SF Will Barton, No. 13 pick


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2713274-realistic-offseason-scenarios-that-could-prevent-cavs-warriors-round-4?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

[DPG21920]

Can anyone tell us what that Kevin Pelton article says?

[$pursDynasty]

If Spurs can sign CP3 and keep Aldridge, LeBron don't need the money he can say to Cleveland, "going to San Antonio for 3 years to try and win a championship I'll be back to sign and end my career in Cleveland". I doubt he does that but that would be the correct way to handle it as long as he promised Cleveland he will be back. I don't see the Warriors beating a Spurs team with CP3, Leonard, LeBron, Aldridge.
now that is the dream scenario

[DAF86]

All that? The only part that would probably be difficult, is convincing Paul to do what I outlined.

The only chance and point of getting Paul, is to put together as close to a "super team" as possible and that would entail retaining Aldridge.

People can spout all these metrics that indicate his relatively limited impact, but the reality is, players don't know or care about that stuff. They just know he's recently been a perennial All-Star/All-NBA player, with gaudy counting stats, which they still place a premium on.

"Aldridge" and "superteam" on the same sentence. :lol

[Ice009]

"Aldridge" and "superteam" on the same sentence. :lol

I think he can be the Klay Thompson of the team.

[DAF86]

I think he can be the Klay Thompson of the team.

In what aspect can those two ever be comparable? Thompson scored 60 while having the ball on his hands for like 30 seconds in the entire game. Aldridge needs to hold the ball on his hands for like 20 seconds per touch to produce results like:

-turnovers by dribling the ball off his foot.
-tunovers by making bad passes out of double teams.
-passing it up, with 2 seconds on the shot clock, to a teammate that is double teammed.
-scoring 18pts on 21 shots.

[Hoops Czar]

I think he can be the Klay Thompson of the team.

More like Javel McGee.

[Ice009]

In what aspect can those two ever be comparable? Thompson scored 60 while having the ball on his hands for like 30 seconds in the entire game. Aldridge needs to hold the ball on his hands for like 20 seconds per touch to produce results like:

-turnovers by dribling the ball off his foot.
-tunovers by making bad passes out of double teams.
-passing it up, with 2 seconds on the shot clock, to a teammate that is double teammed.
-scoring 18pts on 21 shots.

I should have just said 3rd wheel. He does best as the 3rd wheel. I thought he'd be OK as a second option, but 3rd option is where he would thrive IMO.

Right now, I just think he's pressing and thinks or has been told that he needs to score and it's turning out to be a disaster with all those things you mentioned above. He'll do better with less pressure. Any kind of pressure and he seems to crumble and/or press too hard.

Anyway, I have no problem trading him if we can get a decent player back in return. I wouldn't trade him just to get Paul and nothing else, though (unless that salary is freed up to go after a 3rd option type of player).

[coachmac87]

Brooklyn Nets Receive: C Enes Kanter, No. 29 pick (from San Antonio)

Oklahoma City Thunder Receive: C Pau Gasol

San Antonio Spurs Receive: No. 57 pick (from Brooklyn)


Denver Nuggets Receive: PF LaMarcus Aldridge

San Antonio Spurs Receive: PF Darrell Arthur, SG/SF Will Barton, No. 13 pick


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2713274-realistic-offseason-scenarios-that-could-prevent-cavs-warriors-round-4?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

To all the posters that want to move LMA. What y'all think about this?

[rjv]

Damn, I think I'm gonna have to bookmark this post for posterity. me too. like, for maybe next season.

[dabom]

me too. like, for maybe next season.

Sup.

[TD 21]

"Aldridge" and "superteam" on the same sentence. :lol


People can spout all these metrics that indicate his relatively limited impact, but the reality is, players don't know or care about that stuff. They just know he's recently been a perennial All-Star/All-NBA player, with gaudy counting stats, which they still place a premium on.




Brooklyn Nets Receive: C Enes Kanter, No. 29 pick (from San Antonio)

Oklahoma City Thunder Receive: C Pau Gasol

San Antonio Spurs Receive: No. 57 pick (from Brooklyn)


Denver Nuggets Receive: PF LaMarcus Aldridge

San Antonio Spurs Receive: PF Darrell Arthur, SG/SF Will Barton, No. 13 pick


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2713274-realistic-offseason-scenarios-that-could-prevent-cavs-warriors-round-4?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

Not bad, but I don't believe salary dumping Gasol would require a 1st and I do believe trading Aldridge would lessen the appeal for Paul.

I don't care how much the game has changed, an MLE (Dedmon, Baynes, etc.) minimum (Lee, Splitter, etc.), Arthur, Bertans big rotation isn't good enough, even with Barton upgrading Simmons and making small ball more palatable.

[coachmac87]

Not bad, but I don't believe salary dumping Gasol would require a 1st and I do believe trading Aldridge would lessen the appeal for Paul.

I don't care how much the game has changed, an MLE (Dedmon, Baynes, etc.) minimum (Lee, Splitter, etc.), Arthur, Bertans big rotation isn't good enough, even with Barton upgrading Simmons and making small ball more palatable.



Yeah I'm not a huge fan of the trade but it's a decent idea I guess lol..It's a pretty interesting article..you should check it out if you haven't

[MultiTroll]

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[.G.]

Dat nigga goin ta cleavlund

[DaBears]

to ask a question to the main topic of this title 'Welcome to SA, CP3' " At what stage of his career do you feel CP3 is in? " Is he considered to be in the early stages, middle (meaning entering his prime), or is he on the downward slope of his career. If you able to answer the question which points to the 1st 2 stages then you welcome the guy, but if he is passed his prime and entering the backend of his prime maybe you don't try so hard.... I am just thinking out loud here.