Even if Trump obstructed justice, so what?

[ducks]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/17/opinions/its-obstruction-so-what-page-pate-opinion/index.html

It's true that the President is different from other people. If the President wants to end a criminal investigation, there is no law to prevent him from doing it. And if there were such a law, it would be probably be unconstitutional as a violation of the separation of powers.

what laws did trump break even nancy does not want impeachment now
says she might not agree with him but he has commited no crimes

[clambake]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/17/opinions/its-obstruction-so-what-page-pate-opinion/index.html

It's true that the President is different from other people. If the President wants to end a criminal investigation, there is no law to prevent him from doing it. And if there were such a law, it would be probably be unconstitutional as a violation of the separation of powers.

what laws did trump break even nancy does not want impeachment now
says she might not agree with him but he has commited no crimes

who cares? i want chaos and anarchy. i want turmoil in google amounts!

[boutons_deux]

Impeachment is a political ploy, not a legal ploy.

It was a Dem Congress that impeached Nixon

It was a Repug Congress that impeach Clinton.

A Repug Congress won't impeach Trash because they aren't yet sick of winning

[Splits]

Trump could have people murder his political opponents and then pardon them and it is legal. Doesn't make it democratic.

[ducks]

"Obstruction of justice is not a black-and-white offense, so reasonable minds may well disagree about whether asking Comey to go easy on Flynn rises to the level of what federal law prohibits," said Steve Vladeck, CNN legal analyst and professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/past-us-presidents-charged-obstructing-064003301.html

[clambake]

feathers are being ruffled.

[ducks]

JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon: 'I'm a patriot' so I'll help Trump

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-apos-161327976.html

[clambake]

JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon: 'I'm a patriot' so I'll help Trump

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-apos-161327976.html

oh good. just shows that regular ol common folk support him.

[Mitch]

oh good. just shows that regular ol common folk support him.

Just shows he has support from the bottom to the top, tbh.

[boutons_deux]

JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon: 'I'm a patriot' so I'll help Trump

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-apos-161327976.html

BigFinance LOVES Trash, for doing CORRUPT stuff like this:

America’s Most Dangerous Temp

Trump’s temporary appointee as chief bank regulator has

spent his career helping banks evade regulations—and is exempt from the standard ethical safeguards.

Two weeks ago, 44-year-old Keith Noreika was just another corporate lawyer, advising bank clients on evading regulatory enforcement. Today he runs the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), the second-most important banking regulator in the federal government.

Noreika, they don’t have to sign the Trump ethics pledge (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/28/executive-order-ethics-commitments-executive-branch-appointees), which prohibits executive branch officials from working on matters involving their former clients for two years; communicating with colleagues about their activities for one year after they’ve left the government; lobbying the agencies where they served for five years; or lobbying on behalf of a foreign government forever.

http://prospect.org/article/america%E2%80%99s-most-dangerous-temp

BigFinance doesn't give the tiniest shit about America, only cares about stealing from, fleecing Americans and any mark they can find.

[spurraider21]

was there a law preventing clinton from getting a blowjob?

[Adam Lambert]

the title of this thread is as retarded as the op.

fuck anyone who thinks like this.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/17/opinions/its-obstruction-so-what-page-pate-opinion/index.html

It's true that the President is different from other people. If the President wants to end a criminal investigation, there is no law to prevent him from doing it. And if there were such a law, it would be probably be unconstitutional as a violation of the separation of powers.

what laws did trump break even nancy does not want impeachment now
says she might not agree with him but he has commited no crimes




Article II
Section 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Obstruction of Justice = "high crime".

[clambake]

Just shows he has support from the bottom to the top, tbh.

you wouldn't know it. you're the bottom and he's standing on top of you.

[ElNono]

The two presidents (Nixon and Clinton) that had impeachment proceedings started against them were for obstruction of justice...

[Mitch]

you wouldn't know it. you're the bottom and he's standing on top of you.

Logically every president would be on top of us since our presence in the US pales in comparison.

[MultiTroll]

Stick a camera up all the phony politicians and media attacking Trump and see the evil chit they are up to.

They're pretty much all phonies.

[clambake]

Logically every president would be on top of us since our presence in the US pales in comparison.

not talking about the prez.

[DarrinS]

Can't wait to actually see this memo and/or hear from Comey.

[Mitch]

not talking about the prez.

He is the prez for the next 7+some years, tho

[Splits]

864958028256342020

[clambake]

He is the prez for the next 7+some years, tho

all this running in here and running away has made you dizzy.

[Mitch]

all this running in here and running away has made you dizzy.

Says the guy who talks about the prez then decides he's not talking about the prez, what did you just assume Hillary won in your reality? :lol

[clambake]

Says the guy who talks about the prez then decides he's not talking about the prez, what did you just assume Hillary won in your reality? :lol

i was talking about the jpmorgan ceo, albert.

[TSA]

Obstruction of Justice = "high crime". Hate to burst your bubble RG

05/03/2017

HIRONO: Yes. And so speaking of the independence of not just the judiciary but I'd like you to clarify the FBI's independence from the DOJ apparatus. Can the FBI conduct an investigation independent from the department of Justice. Or does the FBI have to disclose all it's investigations to the DOJ? And does it have to get the Attorney General's consent?

COMEY: Well we work with the Department of Justice, whether that's main justice or U.S. attorney's offices on all of our investigations.

And so we work with them and so in a legal sense we're not independent of the department of justice. We are spiritually, culturally pretty independent group and that's the way you would want tit. But yes, we work with the Department of Justice on all of our investigations.

HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?

COMEY: In theory yes.

HIRONO: Has it happened?

COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that -- without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1705/03/wolf.02.html

[Mitch]

i was talking about the jpmorgan ceo, albert.

You replied to me talking about Trump, Dilbert :lol

[clambake]

You replied to me talking about Trump, Dilbert :lol

don't go back to look

not worth it

[hater]

Even if the president gets a BJ in the oval office and commits perjury about it

Who cares!

[hater]

Obama committing Obstruction of Justice by saing Shillary did not commi any crimes on live tv

Who cares!

[hater]

Getting your ambassador killed by sending him to sell arms to Lybian terrorists

Whi cares!

[clambake]

hell yes

[ducks]

There is no chance that Donald Trump will be impeached
https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-chance-donald-trump-impeached-163937108.html

[clambake]

There is no chance that Donald Trump will be impeached
https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-chance-donald-trump-impeached-163937108.html

why is there no chance?

[spurraider21]

Obama committing Obstruction of Justice by saing Shillary did not commi any crimes on live tv

Who cares!obama making that comment is like trump saying o'reilly is a good guy. it's different than actively trying to kill an ongoing investigation...

[RandomGuy]

Hate to burst your bubble RG

05/03/2017

HIRONO: Yes. And so speaking of the independence of not just the judiciary but I'd like you to clarify the FBI's independence from the DOJ apparatus. Can the FBI conduct an investigation independent from the department of Justice. Or does the FBI have to disclose all it's investigations to the DOJ? And does it have to get the Attorney General's consent?

COMEY: Well we work with the Department of Justice, whether that's main justice or U.S. attorney's offices on all of our investigations.

And so we work with them and so in a legal sense we're not independent of the department of justice. We are spiritually, culturally pretty independent group and that's the way you would want tit. But yes, we work with the Department of Justice on all of our investigations.

HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?

COMEY: In theory yes.

HIRONO: Has it happened?

COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that -- without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1705/03/wolf.02.html

I think the case is thin.

My point was that obstruction of justice would qualify, which has been the case in the past.

What exactly was said remains to be seen.

[TSA]

obama making that comment is like trump saying o'reilly is a good guy. it's different than actively trying to kill an ongoing investigation...

Who tried to actively kill an investigation?

[Mitch]

don't go back to look

not worth it

8 years, brosef.

[hater]

Who tried to actively kill an investigation?

Shillary when she said Bengazi was due to a youtuber :lol

[spurraider21]

Shillary when she said Bengazi was due to a youtuber :lol:lol https://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/benghazi%20report.pdf

[spurraider21]

Who tried to actively kill an investigation?comey knows the circumstances better than i do... i'll wait to hear what he has to say

[TSA]

comey knows the circumstances better than i do... i'll wait to hear what he has to say

05/03/2017

HIRONO: Yes. And so speaking of the independence of not just the judiciary but I'd like you to clarify the FBI's independence from the DOJ apparatus. Can the FBI conduct an investigation independent from the department of Justice. Or does the FBI have to disclose all it's investigations to the DOJ? And does it have to get the Attorney General's consent?

COMEY: Well we work with the Department of Justice, whether that's main justice or U.S. attorney's offices on all of our investigations.

And so we work with them and so in a legal sense we're not independent of the department of justice. We are spiritually, culturally pretty independent group and that's the way you would want tit. But yes, we work with the Department of Justice on all of our investigations.

HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?

COMEY: In theory yes.

HIRONO: Has it happened?

COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that -- without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1705/03/wolf.02.html

[TSA]

comey knows the circumstances better than i do... i'll wait to hear what he has to say

05/03/2017

HIRONO: Yes. And so speaking of the independence of not just the judiciary but I'd like you to clarify the FBI's independence from the DOJ apparatus. Can the FBI conduct an investigation independent from the department of Justice. Or does the FBI have to disclose all it's investigations to the DOJ? And does it have to get the Attorney General's consent?

COMEY: Well we work with the Department of Justice, whether that's main justice or U.S. attorney's offices on all of our investigations.

And so we work with them and so in a legal sense we're not independent of the department of justice. We are spiritually, culturally pretty independent group and that's the way you would want tit. But yes, we work with the Department of Justice on all of our investigations.

HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?

COMEY: In theory yes.

HIRONO: Has it happened?

COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that -- without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1705/03/wolf.02.html

[spurraider21]

05/03/2017

HIRONO: Yes. And so speaking of the independence of not just the judiciary but I'd like you to clarify the FBI's independence from the DOJ apparatus. Can the FBI conduct an investigation independent from the department of Justice. Or does the FBI have to disclose all it's investigations to the DOJ? And does it have to get the Attorney General's consent?

COMEY: Well we work with the Department of Justice, whether that's main justice or U.S. attorney's offices on all of our investigations.

And so we work with them and so in a legal sense we're not independent of the department of justice. We are spiritually, culturally pretty independent group and that's the way you would want tit. But yes, we work with the Department of Justice on all of our investigations.

HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?

COMEY: In theory yes.

HIRONO: Has it happened?

COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that -- without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1705/03/wolf.02.htmlsorry, CNN is fake news

[TSA]

sorry, CNN is fake news

I believe Comey did keep memos. After reading his testimony do you believe what was reported by the NYT on what his memos said to be true or false?

[spurraider21]

I believe Comey did keep memos. After reading his testimony do you believe what was reported by the NYT on what his memos said to be true or false?in the fake news testimony you showed me (CNN is the source and therefore fake news) he mentions DOJ interference, not presidential. i'll wait to hear him speak, i'm sure the contents of the memos will come up.

[TSA]

in the fake news testimony you showed me (CNN is the source and therefore fake news) he mentions DOJ interference, not presidential. i'll wait to hear him speak, i'm sure the contents of the memos will come up.

do you believe what was reported by the NYT on what his memos said to be true or false?

[spurraider21]

do you believe what was reported by the NYT on what his memos said to be true or false?i'm not inclined to believe they fabricated without reason to. but i'm reserving judgment for now considering comey is going to speak soon. my uninformed opinion is useless

[TSA]

i'm not inclined to believe they fabricated without reason to. but i'm reserving judgment for now considering comey is going to speak soon. my uninformed opinion is useless

Don't be so hard on yourself. You are almost a lawyer and your opinion is not meaningless.

[spurraider21]

Don't be so hard on yourself. You are almost a lawyer and your opinion is not meaningless.an uninformed opinion is meaningless

[TSA]

an uninformed opinion is meaningless

stop beating yourself up

[ElNono]

stop beating yourself up

he's not talking about himself...

[RandomGuy]

HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?

COMEY: In theory yes.

HIRONO: Has it happened?

COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that -- without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1705/03/wolf.02.html

Let's parse words here.

Is there a difference between being asked to do something, and being ordered to do something?

Secondly: Does the question he is answering refer to the president? or "Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice"

If it is the latter, would it be possible for him to answer that question in that way, if Trump had asked him to stop investigating? if Trump had ordered him investigating?

[RandomGuy]

in the fake news testimony you showed me (CNN is the source and therefore fake news) he mentions DOJ interference, not presidential. i'll wait to hear him speak, i'm sure the contents of the memos will come up.

Looks like I'm not the only one to pick up on that.

[Reck]

Just shows he has support from the bottom to the top, tbh.

Tell me how Trump's gonna win re-election scrah. :lol

[ducks]

tell me again how he was not going to get elected in the first place or wait he did

the last year will matter what is going on with jobs and the economy
all this other stuff will not matter

[Mitch]

Tell me how Trump's gonna win re-election scrah. :lol

Why do you keep asking, Bro? I already told you: by simply doing nothing go hurt the average American and doing something to keep his base happy.

You should worry more about your girl preparing for her third run or putting little chelsy forward :lmao

[Reck]

Why do you keep asking, Bro? I already told you: by simply doing nothing go hurt the average American and doing something to keep his base happy.

You should worry more about your girl preparing for her third run or putting little chelsy forward :lmao

Such a righwing thing to do: when people talk about how shitty Trump is doing, defer to Hillary. :lmao

Get it through your head bro, Trump is not only not getting re-elected, he's not going to last his first term.

[Mitch]

Such a righwing thing to do: when people talk about how shitty Trump is doing, defer to Hillary. :lmao

Get it through your head bro, Trump is not only not getting re-elected, he's not going to last his first term.

Seriously, Reck. I answered your question, Im simply saying you should watch out for another Clinton running :lol

Trump is staying, quote me on that, I'll probably still post here in 2020 :tu

[Chucho]

Such a righwing thing to do: when people talk about how shitty Trump is doing, defer to Hillary. :lmao

Get it through your head bro, Trump is not only not getting re-elected, he's not going to last his first term.

LOL. The Leftist Media sensationalism has slowed. Slow the false braggadocio, holmes.

[boutons_deux]

Is there a difference between being asked to do something, and being ordered to do something?


The way Comey understood Trash, and how Comey"answered" got him fired, needs no "parsing".

[RandomGuy]

Hate to burst your bubble RG

05/03/2017

HIRONO: Yes. And so speaking of the independence of not just the judiciary but I'd like you to clarify the FBI's independence from the DOJ apparatus. Can the FBI conduct an investigation independent from the department of Justice. Or does the FBI have to disclose all it's investigations to the DOJ? And does it have to get the Attorney General's consent?

COMEY: Well we work with the Department of Justice, whether that's main justice or U.S. attorney's offices on all of our investigations.

And so we work with them and so in a legal sense we're not independent of the department of justice. We are spiritually, culturally pretty independent group and that's the way you would want tit. But yes, we work with the Department of Justice on all of our investigations.

HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?

COMEY: In theory yes.

HIRONO: Has it happened?

COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that -- without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1705/03/wolf.02.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservative-legal-scholars-debate-can-president-obstruct-justice-004656560.html

Hate to burst yours. Even the apologists are hemming and hawing.
Conservative legal scholars debate: Can the president obstruct justice?

[RandomGuy]

But Mukasey, who served under Republican President George W. Bush, then went on to make a series of comments that were severely disapproving of Trump’s reported conduct.

First, Mukasey said he was not sure Trump understood the implications of what he was doing.

“As the story is told … it’s kind of informal: ‘Hey, would you cut this guy some slack? He’s a nice guy.’ And that kind of conversation about an ongoing proceeding, conducted in a manner that is extraordinarily informal … suggests complete unconsciousness of what it is that’s actually happening,” Mukasey said.

He continued: “That conversation might be appropriate to a minor disciplinary matter at a big corporation. It’s not appropriate to a criminal investigation. The inability to distinguish the one from the other, I think, is extraordinary.”

The implication in Mukasey’s comments seemed to be that President Trump does not understand the job he now holds. It’s a concern that was echoed by Bob Bauer, a former White House counsel to President Obama.

“The missing piece here, alarmingly, is a conception of the presidency. He seems to be imagining that he is running one of his companies,” Bauer wrote Wednesday. “Where [former President Richard] Nixon put the government at risk with a misbegotten political morality, Trump is failing, badly, because he is vainly running on a certain marketplace morality, compatible with his temperament, that once won him money and attention.”

One observer in the room at the Federalist Society meeting said he was surprised by the strength of Mukasey’s condemnation. And sources with expertise in the matter of presidential power said that Mukasey’s comment about the president’s legal authority to end an investigation is true as a technical matter but does not obviate the issue of obstruction of justice.

A president can intervene in a situation where he or she believes there has been bad judgment on the part of prosecutors, legal experts said. But when a president’s personal interests or behavior are in question, and he involves himself, it raises the issue of obstruction.