Adam Hanga

[Uriel]

How is this guy? Any news about him?

He recently won the Euroleague Defensive Player of the Year award and has stated that he intends to come over to the NBA this summer. From what I've read, his game seems to be comparable to Jonathon Simmons. 6"7 wing, long, athletic.

Could we possibly sign his this offseason along with Milutinov to serve as potential replacements for Ginobili / Simmons?

[TheGreatYacht]

Scrub

[szkorhetz]

Sefolosha, but more athletic, much better playmaker, not as good a shooter.

[spurraider21]

If I had to evaluate him honestly, I'd probably say he has Nash's shot, Rose's athleticism, and Parker's speed and finishing ability tbh fwiw imo

[TheGreatYacht]

If I had to evaluate him honestly, I'd probably say he has Nash's shot, Rose's athleticism, and Parker's speed and finishing ability tbh fwiw imo

Okay, but enough about Danny Green.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If I had to evaluate him honestly, I'd probably say he has Nash's shot, Rose's athleticism, and Parker's speed and finishing ability tbh fwiw imo

The 2017 versions yes :toast

[99 Problems]

Hanga will be good. The big guy will depend on what happens with Dedmon, LMA & Pau. I guess contractually he stays at Olympiacos, avoids a buyout? and rookie scale situation. But like I said depends what happens in next weeks with big men movement.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Scrub

28-year-old scrub

[CGD]

Probably best back up SF option in the Kawhi era.

[buujness]

Here's a scouting report, though I have no idea as to how truly accurate it is. It seems to link up pretty well with what others have been saying.

https://fansided.com/2017/05/26/adam-hanga-spurs-scouting-report/

[GSH]

I'd like him to play one game for the Spurs - against the Pacers. It would be cool to have Kawhi, Bertans, and Hanga on the floor at the same time.

He's long on athleticism, and short on shooting ability. Yet another player that has people saying that "he'll need some time with Chip Engelland". I can't count the number of times I've heard people say we should just bring a player, and Chip will make him a shooter overnight. The other thing that people always underestimate is that the level of athleticism/quickness in the NBA is incredible. To survive on athleticism in the NBA, a guy has to be damn near superhuman. I've seen him play a couple of times, and I don't think he's superhuman.

As badly as the Spurs need players on cheap contracts, I could see it happening. I wouldn't look for him to have any impact in the first year, at least.

[buujness]

I'd like him to play one game for the Spurs - against the Pacers. It would be cool to have Kawhi, Bertans, and Hanga on the floor at the same time.

He's long on athleticism, and short on shooting ability. Yet another player that has people saying that "he'll need some time with Chip Engelland". I can't count the number of times I've heard people say we should just bring a player, and Chip will make him a shooter overnight. The other thing that people always underestimate is that the level of athleticism/quickness in the NBA is incredible. To survive on athleticism in the NBA, a guy has to be damn near superhuman. I've seen him play a couple of times, and I don't think he's superhuman.

As badly as the Spurs need players on cheap contracts, I could see it happening. I wouldn't look for him to have any impact in the first year, at least.
Maybe not, but his athletic measurables compare favorably with Jonathan Simmons, who seems to be athletic enough.

[GSH]

Maybe not, but his athletic measurables compare favorably with Jonathan Simmons, who seems to be athletic enough.


Well that's what the article says. Just out of curiosity... did you happen to watch Simmons play last year?

I don't dislike the guy. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that I think it's likely he's on the roster at the beginning of the season. And if he is, he'll likely be shuttling back and forth to Austin. If the Spurs lose Simmons, maybe the Spurs will be more desperate for a guy with similarities to Simmons. But at this point, he's not an upgrade to Simmons.

The one caveat to that is salary. The Spurs are in cap hell, and they have some holes to fill. Simmons increased his market value a lot in the playoffs. If someone massively over-pays him, the Spurs may not have any choice about letting him go, and Hanga may be more of a necessity. I said it in my post above, the Spurs are going to have to find at least a couple of players on the cheap. Hopefully Hanga and/or his agent don't price him out of a deal.


[Edit: BTW- the guy who wrote that article about Hanga being like Simmons is a EuroLeague fan, and he's every bit as biased as most ST fans are about Spurs players. He comes right out and says that Hanga is ready to be a star in the NBA. Hell, Simmons isn't nearly a star in the NBA, and he's a known quantity at the NBA level. There is some fact mixed in, but that article is ridiculous. That's not your fault - you didn't write it. But it's not exactly an objective "scouting report".]

[DisAsTerBot]

If I had to evaluate him honestly, I'd probably say he has Nash's shot, Rose's athleticism, and Parker's speed and finishing ability tbh fwiw imo

lol mav Krew

[picnroll]

If my understanding is right, if somebody goes hard after Simmons it'll cost the Spurs about $13 million in cap space. For 3 yrs or so. In that case everybody might need to get real comfortable with Hanga and hope h'es good. If that's what Simmons gets offered I'd rather the Spurs go hard after McCaw in 2018.

[buujness]

I admit, I haven't watched enough of Hanga to give as much of a scouting report, but I find it hard to believe that a guy that has played as much high-level professional basketball as Hanga has is as raw as Simmons was last year. I did watch Simmons play his first year, and yeah; he was very overeager and he didn't know how to channel his athleticism. The fact that Hanga won the Euroleague DPOY would seem to conclude that he's harnessed his athleticism pretty well.

I'm completely in agreement that Hanga is, in no way, an upgrade over Simmons. The fact that Simmons has done it in the NBA and Hanga hasn't is proof enough for me. I'm dubious that the Spurs can keep Simmons due to the financial issue that you outlined, and Hanga allows them to reconsider matching a large offer from the Nets or a similar squad. If the Spurs think that there's another player that they want in a different role than Simmons, I think Hanga gives them the freedom to consider that option.

And yeah, I'm not really under any illusion that what I linked to was the best perspective on Hanga's ability. Just thought that it might make an interesting read. Anybody that says Hanga can be an NBA star is a little drunk on the kool-aid, to put it kindly.

ETA: My bad; meant to quote GSH here.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

If my understanding is right, if somebody goes hard after Simmons it'll cost the Spurs about $13 million in cap space. For 3 yrs or so. In that case everybody might need to get real comfortable with Hanga and hope h'es good. If that's what Simmons gets offered I'd rather the Spurs go hard after McCaw in 2018.

Just to clarify on salary, Simmons can get offered a contract that starts off up to $8.4M per year for the first two years, then more after that. The Spurs can choose to match and either pay in that format or average it out. For example, let's say he gets offered a 3 year, $30M deal with the breakdown being year 1: $8.4M, year 2: $8.4M, and year 3: $13.2M. The Spurs then have the option to match it and either pay in that structure or make it $10M/year.

[cd021]

Just to clarify on salary, Simmons can get offered a contract that starts off up to $8.4M per year for the first two years, then more after that. The Spurs can choose to match and either pay in that format or average it out. For example, let's say he gets offered a 3 year, $30M deal with the breakdown being year 1: $8.4M, year 2: $8.4M, and year 3: $13.2M. The Spurs then have the option to match it and either pay in that structure or make it $10M/year.

I think the Spurs would have to dump Gasol to resign Simmons under the cap.
I could see Brooklyn being a dick and offering something like:

Year 1-$8.4
Year 2-$8.4
Year 3-$17.2
Year 4 -$17.5
------------------
$51.5 Million

$12.875 Per year.

$7 million with Mills cap hold
$13.75 Million in cap without Mills cap hold

[picnroll]

I think the Spurs would have to dump Gasol to resign Simmons under the cap.
I could see Brooklyn being a dick and offering something like:

Year 1-$8.4
Year 2-$8.4
Year 3-$17.2
Year 4 -$17.5
------------------
$51.5 Million

$12.875 Per year.

$7 million with Mills cap hold
$13.75 Million in cap without Mills cap hold
Like I said , I'd rather ride it out with Hanga and a drafted wing and try to steal McCaw with a similar deal in 2018. Wish the Spurs would buy a pick to increase their odds of nailing a good wing/PG.

[SAGirl]

I think the Spurs would have to dump Gasol to resign Simmons under the cap.
I could see Brooklyn being a dick and offering something like:

Year 1-$8.4
Year 2-$8.4
Year 3-$17.2
Year 4 -$17.5
------------------
$51.5 Million

$12.875 Per year.

$7 million with Mills cap hold
$13.75 Million in cap without Mills cap hold
Wow. That's actually a very realistic offer. $50 mill for 4 years is not exorbitant for him.
Hmmmm I have assumed Spurs will re-sign him but he's just as unknown at this point as Mills, Deadman etc. That's an actual long term commitment that would require a belief he will be up to that contract and that it won't end up as an overpay.

One wonders too if Pop is intent on keeping both LMA and Gasol and whether trades are really being considered so it's interesting. Also interesting bc of the potential need to let go of Mills' caphold.

[GSH]

Just to clarify on salary, Simmons can get offered a contract that starts off up to $8.4M per year for the first two years, then more after that. The Spurs can choose to match and either pay in that format or average it out. For example, let's say he gets offered a 3 year, $30M deal with the breakdown being year 1: $8.4M, year 2: $8.4M, and year 3: $13.2M. The Spurs then have the option to match it and either pay in that structure or make it $10M/year.


That's actually pretty helpful, and clear. :tu

I've said it before, and I'll say it a few more times before June 22 - this draft is more important than anything the Spurs will do in the FA market. The biggest priority this team has is keeping Kawhi, and that means that they have to put enough talented players around him to contend. They can't afford to do that for '17-'18, unless a couple of big names decide to take a haircut for the privilege of playing in SA with Kawhi. And with the FA market being so wild, it's getting more clear that they Spurs have to strike gold n the draft and bring in some good players on cheap contracts, and let them grow up learning how to feed off Kawhi. The Spurs FO has the reputation of being able to find gems in the draft. It's how they built the dynasty to begin with. And if they're going to bring it back, that's how they have to do it again.

You can't build a team with guys like Dedmon on 1 and 2 year deals. You can fill in holes that way, but you can't build a team around it. If the Spurs can parlay a player into a decent pick, they need to do it. If they can buy a second-rounder with cash, they need to do that too. They need two keepers from this draft class. Take a rebuild year, and get a higher first round pick next year. THEN maybe they can get a big FA to round things out. Try and do it through the FA market, and they are going to keep bleeding out talent as quickly as they can bring it in.

[coachmac87]

That's actually pretty helpful, and clear. :tu

I've said it before, and I'll say it a few more times before June 22 - this draft is more important than anything the Spurs will do in the FA market. The biggest priority this team has is keeping Kawhi, and that means that they have to put enough talented players around him to contend. They can't afford to do that for '17-'18, unless a couple of big names decide to take a haircut for the privilege of playing in SA with Kawhi. And with the FA market being so wild, it's getting more clear that they Spurs have to strike gold n the draft and bring in some good players on cheap contracts, and let them grow up learning how to feed off Kawhi. The Spurs FO has the reputation of being able to find gems in the draft. It's how they built the dynasty to begin with. And if they're going to bring it back, that's how they have to do it again.

You can't build a team with guys like Dedmon on 1 and 2 year deals. You can fill in holes that way, but you can't build a team around it. If the Spurs can parlay a player into a decent pick, they need to do it. If they can buy a second-rounder with cash, they need to do that too. They need two keepers from this draft class. Take a rebuild year, and get a higher first round pick next year. THEN maybe they can get a big FA to round things out. Try and do it through the FA market, and they are going to keep bleeding out talent as quickly as they can bring it in.



Take a rebuild year???? Who the fuck rebuilds when you have a top 3 player in the league? I understand drafting and getting young players to groom but late round draft picks aren't going to make the Spurs more competitive in the next 2 years...and by then Kawhi contract will be up.

IMO it's more important finding a legit #2 option..

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I think the Spurs would have to dump Gasol to resign Simmons under the cap.
I could see Brooklyn being a dick and offering something like:

Year 1-$8.4
Year 2-$8.4
Year 3-$17.2
Year 4 -$17.5
------------------
$51.5 Million

$12.875 Per year.

$7 million with Mills cap hold
$13.75 Million in cap without Mills cap hold

Brooklyn did something very similar to that with Tyler Johnson last year, so you may be ending predicting this correctly.

[BackHome]

Hanga is real and we won't miss Simmons and he will produce better results on defense and offense then Green...BOOK IT..........:)

[r0drig0lac]

the best perimeter defender in Europe after diamantidis and kirilenko will not do well in nba? lmao, he would already be one of the top three defenders on the team even in his rookie season

[SAGirl]

There was a very specific tweet that he's only joining the team if Ginobili is retiring... which led me to question why Ginobili so specifically? Why not Simmons? So I thought its almost guaranteed that Spurs are paying whatever it takes to keep Simmons (gulp) and the only open spot that he could compete for is Ginobili's. That was my thinking about it...

[cjw]

There was a very specific tweet that he's only joining the team if Ginobili is retiring... which led me to question why Ginobili so specifically? Why not Simmons? So I thought its almost guaranteed that Spurs are paying whatever it takes to keep Simmons (gulp) and the only open spot that he could compete for is Ginobili's. That was my thinking about it...

I'd much rather overpay Simmons than Mills. Mills does one thing better on the court than Simmons (and yes, a lot better) but can't get his shot off against big teams like Golden State. Defense isn't even close. Loved him for his run here, but let someone else overpay. Simmons is also a year younger for what it's worth.

[SAGirl]

I'd much rather overpay Simmons than Mills. Mills does one thing better on the court than Simmons (and yes, a lot better) but can't get his shot off against big teams like Golden State. Defense isn't even close. Loved him for his run here, but let someone else overpay. Simmons is also a year younger for what it's worth.
Yes I agree between the two I would rather keep Simmons... maybe Pop coincides with that. I am unsure if they will pay whatever to keep him but he might be their priority in FA if they miss on the big fishes out there.

[TheGreatYacht]

If he takes Fathead's spot in the rotation, why not?

[SAGirl]

If he takes Fathead's spot in the rotation, why not?
Let me ask you what is Kyle's spot in the rotation?
Hanga is not joining the team to be 11-13th in the rotation... that's what that tweet was about.

[TheGreatYacht]

Let me ask you what is Kyle's spot in the rotation?
Hanga is not joining the team to be 11-13th in the rotation... that's what that tweet was about.
Automatic starter when Green or Kawhi are out, bench/rotation player when squad is at 100%

[SAGirl]

Automatic starter when Green or Kawhi are out, bench/rotation player when squad is at 100%
Hanga isn't joining the team just for that.
I took it to mean he's not joining the Spurs to be the 5th wing. Joining to compete with just Kyle for the 5th wing spot doesn't interest him.

[GSH]

Take a rebuild year???? Who the fuck rebuilds when you have a top 3 player in the league?



Umm... teams that want to win championships. Cleveland had one of the top 2 players in the league, and they were never a realistic title threat. LeBron went to a team that could put two other stars on the floor, along with a good supporting cast, to finally ring. Then he came back to Cleveland when they had Kyrie Irving, and were in a position to sign players like Kevin Love and J.R. Smith.

One Top-3 player isn't going to cut it. The Spurs need to shore up some holes, and they don't have cap space to go buy proven FA's for all of them. If they can pick up one of the missing pieces, great. But they can't afford to fill all the holes this season, and there's no guarantee that they can get the right pieces the next year, even with cap room.

I'll say it again: this is a very important draft

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Hanga isn't joining the team just for that.
I took it to mean he's not joining the Spurs to be the 5th wing. Joining to compete with just Kyle for the 5th wing spot doesn't interest him.

Of course it interests him. He's a player who hadn't even been considered NBA worthy until a year ago. He'll take anything, he'll sign a Bertans-like deal with the hope he can play 15 mins per game in year 2 and make some cash.

[cd021]

Like I said , I'd rather ride it out with Hanga and a drafted wing and try to steal McCaw with a similar deal in 2018. Wish the Spurs would buy a pick to increase their odds of nailing a good wing/PG.

Simmons for $12.9 million per year is fine, especially with Green and Leonard on cheap contracts. Having 3 above average defensive wings who can all do something on offense is a raririty. Hanga as a 4th wing could be a great addition if his defense translates but I certainly wouldn't let Simmons walk just to save money by not matching a reasonable contract. We can have both, versatile wings are extremely valuable, Spurs are going to need that versatility if they hope to build a team that could beat the Warriors down the road.

[coachmac87]

Simmons for $12.9 million per year is fine, especially with Green and Leonard on cheap contracts. Having 3 above average defensive wings who can all do something on offense is a raririty. Hanga as a 4th wing could be a great addition if his defense translates but I certainly wouldn't let Simmons walk just to save money by not matching a reasonable contract. We can have both, versatile wings are extremely valuable, Spurs are going to need that versatility if they hope to build a team that could beat the Warriors down the road.


I think when it comes to Simmons It'll come down to how many years are on the deal..

[GSH]

Simmons is such a risk/reward play this offseason. If he could play the way he did in the playoffs, he could be the SG version of Stephen Jackson. On the other hand, he could get a fat contract and become the SG version of Jackie Butler.

He was just about tied with Patty for third most total points in the playoffs, even though he played 306 minutes compared to 416 for Patty. And the most amazing thing was that Simmons' TOV% in the playoffs was the lowest on the team. Out of the 29 other teams out there, at least one or two is likely to take a chance that he can keep that up night in and night out, and offer him a deal that totals $36M-$40M. And if he keeps playing like that, he'll be a good value. PATFO should know more about him than anyone. If they believe he can keep it up, they'd be stupid to let him get away. If they don't, they'd be stupid to chase him.

One more thing - Simmons shot the 3 like shit during the RS (.294). In the playoffs he shot .351. There's no way of guessing what that's about. But shooting .351 from 3P through the RS, in addition to his athleticism and defense, would increase his value a lot. What he needs to be doing is working with Chip every day this summer.

[cd021]

Simmons is such a risk/reward play this offseason. If he could play the way he did in the playoffs, he could be the SG version of Stephen Jackson. On the other hand, he could get a fat contract and become the SG version of Jackie Butler.

He was just about tied with Patty for third most total points in the playoffs, even though he played 306 minutes compared to 416 for Patty. And the most amazing thing was that Simmons' TOV% in the playoffs was the lowest on the team. Out of the 29 other teams out there, at least one or two is likely to take a chance that he can keep that up night in and night out, and offer him a deal that totals $36M-$40M. And if he keeps playing like that, he'll be a good value. PATFO should know more about him than anyone. If they believe he can keep it up, they'd be stupid to let him get away. If they don't, they'd be stupid to chase him.

One more thing - Simmons shot the 3 like shit during the RS (.294). In the playoffs he shot .351. There's no way of guessing what that's about. But shooting .351 from 3P through the RS, in addition to his athleticism and defense, would increase his value a lot. What he needs to be doing is working with Chip every day this summer.
I posted this earlier:

Year 1-$8.4
Year 2-$8.4
Year 3-$17.2
Year 4 -$17.5
------------------
$51.5 Million

$12.875 Per year.

$7 million with Mills cap hold
$13.75 Million in cap without Mills cap hold

I think teams would a 4th year to drive up the price. I would prefer 3 years but he'll only be 31 by the time the forth season ends.

Not only did his 3pt % jump 6% but he was taking and making above the break 3's vs Houston and knocking down pullup jumpers off the dribble when teams sagged off him, in addition to getting to the rim.

His game 5 defense on Harden was fantastic and a big reason why we won that game (I believe that he forced 5 turnovers including 2 in overtime against Harden)

I would expect him to be back, though the spurs would have to offload Gasol to do so. Spurs could have 5 above average wings defenders (I forgot to mention Anderson earlier, though I hope he transitions to starting at PF) that is a really impressive thing to accomplish. Versatile wings that can defend and do something on offense are expensive because they are increasingly valuable. Spurs may be able to keep all 5 going forward (Leonard: Super max contract, Green resigning after next season, Anderson: RFA, Simmons: Arenas RFA, Hanga: multi-year deal+ RFA.

[GSH]

I posted this earlier:

Year 1-$8.4
Year 2-$8.4
Year 3-$17.2
Year 4 -$17.5
------------------
$51.5 Million

$12.875 Per year.

$7 million with Mills cap hold
$13.75 Million in cap without Mills cap hold

I think teams would a 4th year to drive up the price. I would prefer 3 years but he'll only be 31 by the time the forth season ends.

Not only did his 3pt % jump 6% but he was taking and making above the break 3's vs Houston and knocking down pullup jumpers off the dribble when teams sagged off him, in addition to getting to the rim.

His game 5 defense on Harden was fantastic and a big reason why we won that game (I believe that he forced 5 turnovers including 2 in overtime against Harden)

I would expect him to be back, though the spurs would have to offload Gasol to do so. Spurs could have 5 above average wings defenders (I forgot to mention Anderson earlier, though I hope he transitions to starting at PF) that is a really impressive thing to accomplish. Versatile wings that can defend and do something on offense are expensive because they are increasingly valuable. Spurs may be able to keep all 5 going forward (Leonard: Super max contract, Green resigning after next season, Anderson: RFA, Simmons: Arenas RFA, Hanga: multi-year deal+ RFA.


Yeah, and it was a good post. If the third and fourth year didn't have to be fully guaranteed, it's the right idea. It would still be steep, but it's the right idea. By this time next year, they would know if he was a value play, or a bust. For sure by the end of Year 2. If he doesn't produce, he's still got $17M for the first two years. I don't think it's going to go that way, though.

I used to have at least a rough idea of what a guy was going to be worth. This new cap just makes it a crap shoot - and Simmons is especially tough. The ones who guess right will all say, "I knew it all along." The others will forget they ever said anything. :lol

[SAGirl]

Of course it interests him. He's a player who hadn't even been considered NBA worthy until a year ago. He'll take anything, he'll sign a Bertans-like deal with the hope he can play 15 mins per game in year 2 and make some cash.

No he's in demand in Europe and could get a contract for higher than the minimum. It's not a need he has money wise for a typical minimum contract. He's more similar to Boban than Bertans in the fact that he's old and may do one season with a player option for the second with the intention of opting out if he has a good season. He's going to be 29 or 30 by the time of his second deal (depending on if he signs a 1 or 2 years contract).

His chances of getting paid at the end of that one year are reduced if he never makes the regular rotation and all he can do is compete with Anderson for the 5th or 6th wing spot while going to the dleague or being in a suit at times bc Anderson is still going to play through the season and Hanga is the rook (being essentially de colo).

So no. He's just too old for that. He's not joining the Spurs to be DeColo. He is only joining if there's a real path to playing time. (Like there would be if Manu retires). At his age he needs playing time quickly and it's likely the Spurs can only guarantee a chance to make the rotation if Manu retires. It's just not worth it for him if there's no conceivable way he will make the rotation. So I think if he can't be guaranteed an opportunity to make the rotation the Spurs may have to release his rights like they did with DeColo. I suspect there are teams he could join that would give him a chance to play more.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

No he's in demand in Europe and could get a contract for higher than the minimum. It's not a need he has money wise for a typical minimum contract. He's more similar to Boban than Bertans in the fact that he's old and may do one season with a player option for the second with the intention of opting out if he has a good season. He's going to be 29 or 30 by the time of his second deal (depending on if he signs a 1 or 2 years contract).

His chances of getting paid at the end of that one year are reduced if he never makes the regular rotation and all he can do is compete with Anderson for the 5th or 6th wing spot while going to the dleague or being in a suit at times bc Anderson is still going to play through the season and Hanga is the rook (being essentially de colo).

So no. He's just too old for that. He's not joining the Spurs to be DeColo. He is only joining if there's a real path to playing time. (Like there would be if Manu retires). At his age he needs playing time quickly and it's likely the Spurs can only guarantee a chance to make the rotation if Manu retires. It's just not worth it for him if there's no conceivable way he will make the rotation. So I think if he can't be guaranteed an opportunity to make the rotation the Spurs may have to release his rights like they did with DeColo.

I disagree, he's done nothing to have the sort of power to demand anything from an NBA team. He's not even in top 50 best paid players in Europe and never has been even close to it. Anyway, we'll know in a month or so what kind of contract he signs. Or doesn't.

[GSH]

No he's in demand in Europe and could get a contract for higher than the minimum. It's not a need he has money wise for a typical minimum contract. He's more similar to Boban than Bertans in the fact that he's old and may do one season with a player option for the second with the intention of opting out if he has a good season. He's going to be 29 or 30 by the time of his second deal (depending on if he signs a 1 or 2 years contract).

His chances of getting paid at the end of that one year are reduced if he never makes the regular rotation and all he can do is compete with Anderson for the 5th or 6th wing spot while going to the dleague or being in a suit at times bc Anderson is still going to play through the season and Hanga is the rook (being essentially de colo).

So no. He's just too old for that. He's not joining the Spurs to be DeColo. He is only joining if there's a real path to playing time. (Like there would be if Manu retires). At his age he needs playing time quickly and it's likely the Spurs can only guarantee a chance to make the rotation if Manu retires. It's just not worth it for him if there's no conceivable way he will make the rotation. So I think if he can't be guaranteed an opportunity to make the rotation the Spurs may have to release his rights like they did with DeColo. I suspect there are teams he could join that would give him a chance to play more.


I think that's pretty much on target. Bertans was a risk because he'd had two knee surgeries. And Hanga has had other teams trying to buy him in Europe. (Their contract rules are just puzzling as hell.) I remember Hanga saying that he missed a couple of opportunities to come over here for camps because of injuries, but he's been healthy for the last couple of years - just under contract. The Spurs gave LJC rookie scale money, and if they think Hanga is worth signing, I'd expect him to get the same. With the current roster/cap situation, if the Spurs sign him, he'll get minutes. Not starter minutes or anything, but he'll get a chance to prove himself on the court.



I disagree, he's done nothing to have the sort of power to demand anything from an NBA team. He's not even in top 50 best paid players in Europe and never has been even close to it. Anyway, we'll know in a month or so what kind of contract he signs. Or doesn't.

He's a pretty good defender. That's a good start for making the Spurs roster.

[SAGirl]

I disagree, he's done nothing to have the sort of power to demand anything from an NBA team. He's not even in top 50 best paid players in Europe and never has been even close to it. Anyway, we'll know in a month or so what kind of contract he signs. Or doesn't.

I am basing this on a tweet.. it's here somewhere but it's from someone informed in the situation by his agent. He's only joining the team if Manu retires, it was very specific. so make of it what you will. I think his agent has interest from other teams to put the Spurs in this situation. If he can't get what he wants, he may just as well go back to Europe tbh. DeColo was very unsatisfied with being between 5th to 6th wing on the rotation at any given time and I don't think Hanga has any interest in that.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I am basing this on a tweet.. it's here somewhere but it's from someone informed in the situation by his agent. He's only joining the team if Manu retires, it was very specific. so make of it what you will.

I think this is ridiculous. A no name from a mid level euroleague team having the audacity to demand a HOF great to retire so he could sign a contract? Come on. I don't for a second believe the agent has made such a remark except for maybe in jest, but if he has I bet Pop and RC had a good laugh over it.


I think his agent has interest from other teams to put the Spurs in this situation. If he can't get what he wants, he may just as well go back to Europe tbh.

He would have interest from euroleague teams, sure, but the pay difference is enormous. He's never been paid even close to a min NBA contract in his career.


DeColo was very unsatisfied with being between 5th to 6th wing on the rotation at any given time and I don't think Hanga has any interest in that.

DeColo's case is different. He's always been a talented player, much more talented than Hanga. Hanga is a late bloomer and a hard worker but nowhere near the talent. Besides DeColo is getting paid decent money in Europe and has been for a while. Not the case for Hanga. A 2 year min NBA contract would be the best money he's made by far and if he gets the chance to earn a decent one time NBA deal after that he'd have beaten great odds, considering where he's been for most of his career.

[SAGirl]

I think this is ridiculous. A no name from a mid level euroleague team having the audacity to demand a HOF great to retire so he could sign a contract? Come on. I don't for a second believe the agent has made such a remark except for maybe in jest, but if he has I bet Pop and RC had a good laugh over it.



He would have interest from euroleague teams, sure, but the pay difference is enormous. He's never been paid even close to a min NBA contract in his career.



DeColo's case is different. He's always been a talented player, much more talented than Hanga. Hanga is a late bloomer and a hard worker but nowhere near the talent. Besides DeColo is getting paid decent money in Europe and has been for a while. Not the case for Hanga. A 2 year min NBA contract would be the best money he's made by far and if he gets the chance to earn a decent one time NBA deal after that he'd have beaten great odds, considering where he's been for most of his career.
I am not making this up. He's not demanding anyone to retire but he doesn't IMO want to join the Spurs if there's no path to playing time... or maybe it's the Spurs who would not sign him to be 6th wing who knows? But I didn't make it up. I am in a cell and can't dig that tweet up. It's here somewhere.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I am not making this up. He's not demanding anyone to retire but he doesn't IMO want to join the Spurs if there's no path to playing time... or maybe it's the Spurs who would not sign him to be 6th wing who knows? But I didn't make it up. I am in a cell and can't dig that tweet up. It's here somewhere.

I know the tweet you refer to. I think it's bollocks.

[r0drig0lac]

18/5/5/2 great game
http://www.acb.com/jv/partido.php?c=612242

[SAGirl]

I know the tweet you refer to. I think it's bollocks.
Lol.
You should have said that earlier. I am crediting the tweet and assuming he's not coming over if he doesn't have a real chance to play. To me it makes sense with his age. If you don't credit that as true then you are going to have a different perspective to begin with.

[TD 21]

Hanga has no leverage, is running out of time to play in NBA and will have to take 1 or 2 year minimum. Spurs don't have flexibility to go above that for 28 year old question mark and will definitely not guarantee playing time.

An obvious replacement if Simmons gets poison pill offer, but projects as 5th wing, so if Ginobili also retires, they'll be in bind for 3rd wing. Evans and Miles are MLE options, while Carter and Meeks are lesser ones. Teodosic would be somewhat outside the box, but is better off defending shooting guards anyway.

[rastaspur]

I am not making this up. He's not demanding anyone to retire but he doesn't IMO want to join the Spurs if there's no path to playing time... or maybe it's the Spurs who would not sign him to be 6th wing who knows? But I didn't make it up. I am in a cell and can't dig that tweet up. It's here somewhere.

I can never seem to find my tweets in jail either. The jailor usually takes my phone during booking. You are lucky they let you keep it.

[bic50]

I can never seem to find my tweets in jail either. The jailor usually takes my phone during booking. You are lucky they let you keep it.
:lol

[jermaine]

Sooo basically he's Rudy Fernandez without the 3ball an tad bit better defense!?!

[SAGirl]

I can never seem to find my tweets in jail either. The jailor usually takes my phone during booking. You are lucky they let you keep it.

:lol :downspin:

[SpurPadre]

A 28 year old rookie...no thanks.

[gambit1990]

bring him over.

[tholdren]

Hanga isn't joining the team just for that.
I took it to mean he's not joining the Spurs to be the 5th wing. Joining to compete with just Kyle for the 5th wing spot doesn't interest him.

Well then he better hope spurs sell their soul for cp3 cause thats the only way he would start. Guy can dunk, and hes semi athletic. Cant pass, dribble or shoot for shit.

[CGD]

Jonathan Simmons arenas rule protected right? so does that still mean that the max first year salary another team can offer is up to the non-taxpayer MLE?

[BackHome]

He can dribble and pass better then Green or Simmons.....and he can dunk and play defense....So what is not to like????????

[SpurPadre]

He can dribble and pass better then Green or Simmons.....and he can dunk and play defense....So what is not to like????????

He's 28 and hasn't stepped foot in the NBA yet, that's what not to like. Fuck him, tbh.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8DHVazXXJM

[cutewizard]

Chris Paul and Adam Hanga:

THE NEW STARTING BACKCOURT OF THE SPURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9i3c14DzFg

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVg4aP9zHC4

[cutewizard]

Kawhi and Hanga, together, could be unstoppable defensive monsters:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1lM7cRUdns

[vander]

is the level of basketball in Euroleague any higher than the top 16 teams in the NCAA ?

[smaka]

is the level of basketball in Euroleague any higher than the top 16 teams in the NCAA ?

Is this a serious question? Lol

[buujness]

is the level of basketball in Euroleague any higher than the top 16 teams in the NCAA ?
Professional, grown ass men vs. 18-22 year olds?

[tholdren]

He can dribble and pass better then Green or Simmons.....and he can dunk and play defense....So what is not to like????????

His apg is 1 to 2 and hes supposed to be a playmaker? Shoots 30 from 3. Pretty crappy stats

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

His apg is 1 to 2 and hes supposed to be a playmaker? Shoots 30 from 3. Pretty crappy stats

Shorter game, less spacing due to the 3 point line and also unlike in the NBA they don't award assists after 5 dribbles. He has a very decent court vision.

[BackHome]

Green is a one trick pony who can't dribble the ball and will give you nothing when playing a good defense. He worked when you had Tony, Timmy, Manu, but will not work with only Kawhi we need a player who can do it all (HANGA) ie..scoring, passing the ball to your own team mates and being able to dribble without falling down or giving it to another team.

[tholdren]

Shorter game, less spacing due to the 3 point line and also unlike in the NBA they don't award assists after 5 dribbles. He has a very decent court vision.

Your comments mean nothing in terms of apg or topg. He cant run a pnr and his catch and shoot sucks ass. You also cant defend 30% from 3 if you are a professional basketball player as a 1 2 or 3

[BackHome]

That is why we have Chip........:)

[Leetonidas]

Spurs have a great track record with their overseas players. In recent memory i can only think of De Colo being a disappointment. If he comes he will be solid for us

[tholdren]

Spurs have a great track record with their overseas players. In recent memory i can only think of De Colo being a disappointment. If he comes he will be solid for us

Livio?

[objective]

I'd be interested in seeing a break down of his threes. Maybe wide open he's serviceable and just trash on everything else like contested or off the dribble etc. Or maybe not and he's just bad period

[palangi]

Your comments mean nothing in terms of apg or topg. He cant run a pnr and his catch and shoot sucks ass. You also cant defend 30% from 3 if you are a professional basketball player as a 1 2 or 3

I'm pretty sure your comment got shut down. Stop you're looking foolish

[tholdren]

I'm pretty sure your comment got shut down. Stop you're looking foolish

Way to add insight on someone youve never seen play nor bringing any type of basketball conversation... way to live man.

[SPURt]

Spurs have a great track record with their overseas players. In recent memory i can only think of De Colo being a disappointment. If he comes he will be solid for us
Ryan Richards... I threw up in my mouth typing his name. At least the last thing I ate was sushi and strawberry banana orange juice. That didn't taste gross at all.

[SAGirl]

Ryan Richards... I threw up in my mouth typing his name. At least the last thing I ate was sushi and strawberry banana orange juice. That didn't taste gross at all.
Deshaun Thomas too. Same as Livio, he got his training camp invite but didn't make the team. I hope Hanga is better but until you get a guy in the NBA we can only speculate about whether or not they'll pan out. I am cheering for him to make it though.

[palangi]

Way to add insight on someone youve never seen play nor bringing any type of basketball conversation... way to live man.

Yep digging that hole because you got proved wrong and can't deal with it.

Time to get the popcorn ready and watch you make a fool of yourself.

[SPURt]

Deshaun Thomas too. Same as Livio, he got his training camp invite but didn't make the team. I hope Hanga is better but until you get a guy in the NBA we can only speculate about whether or not they'll pan out. I am cheering for him to make it though.
I'm totally with you, Hanga looks better than Richards, Thomas, and De Colo (pre-Spurs) but the Spurs need to get him to SA and see if he can contribute. I'm definitely rooting for him, as any unforeseen contributors are a huge plus at this point.

[look_at_g_shred]

His 3 percentage doesn't mean shit if pop is just going to bench him all year.

[picnroll]

I've seen reports where Hanga is interested in coming to the NVA but haven't seen anything.
Where the Spurs are interested in him. Usually you see those kind of reports like with Bertans and Spltter.

[vander]

Is this a serious question? Lol


Professional, grown ass men vs. 18-22 year olds?

I watched some "highlights" of Euroleague, I was very unimpressed
I looked up some of the "best players" in Euroleague, it was quite sad

it doesn't look to me like this Adam Hanga will help the Spurs on the court in any way, just a nice benchwarmer to get the Hungarian market, and maybe some Equatoguinean viewers.

[cd98]

If he was a difference maker, he'd be here already.

[BD24]

Seems he could be an ok rotation guy. I don't think he is expecting to come over and start or play major minutes next year like a certain dumb ass in here seems to think.

[John B]

Spur like with defense first attitude, and can facilitate offense. Bring him over.

[DPG21920]

He reminds me of Barbosas evil twin brother. Not a shooter but a defender with the same frame and ability to drive.

[BackHome]

He reminds me of Barbosas evil twin brother. Not a shooter but a defender with the same frame and ability to drive.

And that what we need a guy who can actually dribble the ball without falling down or passing it to the other team. No one is thinking this guy is going to be Kawhi he was a late pick if he works out it is like hitting the lotto.

[tholdren]

And that what we need a guy who can actually dribble the ball without falling down or passing it to the other team. No one is thinking this guy is going to be Kawhi he was a late pick if he works out it is like hitting the lotto.

No but some are thinking he can replace mills or green. Hes a shitty shooter and playmaker. He can dunk the ball though..

[Play Boban]

Hanga is trash. :lol

[BackHome]

Yeah trust in a kid with an Avatar of Boban..lol

[DMC]

If I had to evaluate him honestly, I'd probably say he has Nash's shot, Rose's athleticism, and Parker's speed and finishing ability tbh fwiw imo

Then or now?

[DMC]

If he was a difference maker, he'd be here already.

Circular reasoning. By that standard there will never be another overseas player to come to the US.

[cd98]

Circular reasoning. By that standard there will never be another overseas player to come to the US.

No. Given his age. He's not a 22 year old. If he was good the last three years, he would've been brought over any of those years. In essence, Spurs think Fathead is better.

[DMC]

No. Given his age. He's not a 22 year old. If he was good the last three years, he would've been brought over any of those years. In essence, Spurs think Fathead is better.

Manu came over when he was 25.

[palangi]

Manu came over when he was 25.

Gosh dang facts always getting in the way of ignorance.

[cd98]

Manu came over when he was 25.

Hanga's 28. That's a big difference in NBA years.

[Play Boban]

Yeah trust in a kid with an Avatar of Boban..lol
:cry Yeah, trust a toddler with no avatar at all! :blah:nope:rolleyes:ihit:wakeup:lol

[Play Boban]

Hanga is past his prime. It's ridiculous people want him to come over tbh.

[DMC]

Hanga's 28. That's a big difference in NBA years.

You don't need 15 years from him, only about 4.

[rastaspur]

Hanga is past his prime. It's ridiculous people want him to come over tbh.

Past his prime at 28? Negro please.

[TheGreatYacht]

The next De Colo, Livio, Lorbek, Richards, etc

I like Bertans too, but damn when he's bad he's fucking bad.

Time to go American.

[Play Boban]

Past his prime at 28? Negro please.
A player peaks around that age. It's all downhill from there for Hanga. He ha sn business playing in the NBA.

[Atl Spur]

A player peaks around that age. It's all downhill from there for Hanga. He ha sn business playing in the NBA.

I actually think between 28-32 is when an athlete is in his or her prime.

[Play Boban]

I actually think between 28-32 is when an athlete is in his or her prime.
:cry

[cd98]

I actually think between 28-32 is when an athlete is in his or her prime.

Thats bad news for Chris Paul fans.

Spurs can bring over Hanga, just don't expect him to make much of a difference. Like I said, if bringing him over was going to be like bringing Manu over, it would've happened three years ago.

[DMC]

Thats bad news for Chris Paul fans.

Spurs can bring over Hanga, just don't expect him to make much of a difference. Like I said, if bringing him over was going to be like bringing Manu over, it would've happened three years ago.

Then when Manu was being scouted at age 25, "it would have happened three years ago".

[HarlemHeat37]

Most data-driven studies have shown that an NBA player's peak ends at 28 IIRC..only 15% or so will have their most productive season after 28-29..

[DAF86]

Below average shooter, do not want.

What's the point of getting Euros if they can't shoot? If you tell me he will get a Kawhi like development on that department then by all means sign me in, but I highly doubt that can be the case.

[objective]

Hanga, if you watch all his game highlights, sure looks like he's jumping lower and finishing with layups more than he did the past two years.

People think 28 as the peak is bad for Paul, sure. It's also bad for not getting Paul. You're going to be watching Kawhi leave his prime while waiting for bad free agents and old Mills to deliver.

Bye bye future

[Atl Spur]

Most data-driven studies have shown that an NBA player's peak ends at 28 IIRC..only 15% or so will have their most productive season after 28-29..

For basketball players that's not true....... Please cite a credible source and provide the link if you can. I don't believe that.

[David Stern]

Most data-driven studies have shown that an NBA player's peak ends at 28 IIRC..only 15% or so will have their most productive season after 28-29..

Yep which means the Warriors are just about done. Curry will be 30 next year and Durant will be 29. This was their peak and it's all downhill from here.

[cd98]

I'd say peak athletic ability may be 28, but overall complete player, i.e., athletic plus skill and experience goes to 32 for great players and beyond only for the special players (the greatest of the great).

[SAGirl]

Most data-driven studies have shown that an NBA player's peak ends at 28 IIRC..only 15% or so will have their most productive season after 28-29..
Bad news in the let's overpay Mills and Simmons train. Danny also might have seen his best season offensively already pass. I think Simmons may still have some potential to at least be more consistent bc he was held back by Pops system. It's possible he can be better next season but that's a huge risk. Guys normally tend to improve from their rookie seasons and he instead regressed statistically except for defense. Risky.

[rastaspur]

Past his prime is a much more generic label and implies a broader range of time than saying past his peak.

Peak would be the breaking point and a much more specific time reference.

You often hear the saying his prime years. Prime is not the peak but kind of like the mountaintop. Its that 3 to 5 year period when a player is at his best when compared to earlier and later years.

Most likely in the 26 to 31 year old range or 27 to 32.

[noles1983]

What is a hanga and what does it do?

[AaronY]

Sefolosha, but more athletic, much better playmaker, not as good a shooter.
Wow, he shoots worse than Sefolosha. Yikes.

[DAF86]

What is a hanga and what does it do?

Apparently it is a wing that can defend but it is a bordeline 30% 3pt shooter (with FIBA three pt line to make matters worse).

[tholdren]

For basketball players that's not true....... Please cite a credible source and provide the link if you can. I don't believe that.

Harlem heat is a goon. Dumber than chinook, possibly cry havoc level.

[Play Boban]

For basketball players that's not true....... Please cite a credible source and provide the link if you can. I don't believe that.

Boom. Read it and weep.

http://eprints.lancs.ac.uk/56353/1/10.pdf (http://eprints.lancs.ac.uk/56353/1/10.pdf)


Turning to our set of control variables, AGE and AGE SQUAREDdeliver significant coefficients, positive and negative in line withpriors Moreover, performance in basketball is maximized at 26 yearsof age which appears plausible and as such gives us greater confidencein our model.6


6 Berri and Schmidt (2010) report that performance peaks in the NBA at age 24.These authors, though, examined performance from 1977 to 2008. We suspect that theslightly later peak in our sample is due to improvement in player training andconditioning methods over time. This allows players to maintain peak performance longer.

[Atl Spur]

Lol. Nice......... I've read multiple articles that contradict this one but thanks for providing proof.

[DMC]

What is a hanga and what does it do?

It's like when you blow your nose on a tissue and you hear the booger dislodge and you figure you scored, but you look at the tissue and there's nothing there. Then you look in the mirror and there on your mustache is a nice hanga.

[Splits]

872398171384795136

[BackHome]

872398171384795136

Boom - Read It And Weep 😂😂😂

[Jdspur20]

So is Hanga more of a SF or SG?

[JuneJive]

He ain't a shooter, so there's that.

His defense should be his calling card. In today's small ball age, I'd put him as a 3-4 tweener.

[xellos88330]

Apparently it is a wing that can defend but it is a bordeline 30% 3pt shooter (with FIBA three pt line to make matters worse).

So basically Danny Green with the ability to dribble and make layups.

[ace3g]

I read that article this morning and sadly they don't state anything within the article definitive that he is, lol

[TheDoctor]

So he's basically an older-euro Andre Roberson?

" But that defense tho' " I guess? :lol

[buujness]

So he's basically an older-euro Andre Roberson?

" But that defense tho' " I guess? :lol
Better ball handler and he knows how to play offensively off the ball.

[Jdspur20]

He ain't a shooter, so there's that.

His defense should be his calling card. In today's small ball age, I'd put him as a 3-4 tweener.

Hopefully Chip can improve his 3 pt shooting

[Chinook]

:lol at people bitching about getting a ELDPOY in his prime for the min just because he's not the next Manu. It's like finding a twenty on the ground but complaining about it because it's not a hundred.

[look_at_g_shred]

:lol at people bitching about getting a ELDPOY in his prime for the min just because he's not the next Manu. It's like finding a twenty on the ground but complaining about it because it's not a hundred.
Right? lol Looks like he can contribute to an already ailing spurs cast.

[Dex]

:lol at people bitching about getting a ELDPOY in his prime for the min just because he's not the next Manu. It's like finding a twenty on the ground but complaining about it because it's not a hundred.

+1

This guy could easily be a Simmons replacement, meaning we don't have to throw big money at a guy who would probably be redundant.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Wasn't Bowen like 28 when he came to the Spurs? 28 isn't that scary.

[rjv]

man, durant is 28 and curry is 29 so that must mean the dubs are over the hill.

[Russ]

Another athlete to wear down the Warriors.

:pop:

[cd021]

+1

This guy could easily be a Simmons replacement, meaning we don't have to throw big money at a guy who would probably be redundant.

It's not like Simmons contract will be outlandish tbh. Having both off the bench along with Green and Leonard is a pretty damn good defensive wing rotation.

I peg Brooklyn ,or another bad team, offering a offer sheet that looks similar to this:
Year 1-$8.4 million
Year 2-$8.4 million
Year 3-$17.2 million
Year 4-17.5 million
------------------------
$51.5 million/4 seasons

$12.875 million per season

considering the going rate for 3 and D's that's probably cheaper.

Assuming CP3 doesn't pan out then resigning Simmons (they would have to dump Gasol's contract to do so) , and bringing over Hanga, and hopefully Milutinov is pretty good off season.

[Chinook]

If the Spurs stay over the cap, Simmons' contract isn't bad, provided he is closer to how he was in the playoffs. But I'm not sure he's a long-term salary fit without having proved himself over time.

[cjw]

So basically Danny Green with the ability to dribble and make layups.

You make yourself sound like a clown.

Green is a career 40% three point shooter. That's a world different than 30%. A 30% shooter has an eFG% that would have been worst in the league by 3.7%. That's awful. A 40% shooter is coincidentally 3.7% better eFG% than the Warriors were. One needs to be defended at all times on the perimeter, the other you will gladly let shoot over and over.

I know all shots aren't created equally, but maybe you should think before you type.

[Dex]

You make yourself sound like a clown.

Green is a career 40% three point shooter. That's a world different than 30%. A 30% shooter has an eFG% that would have been worst in the league by 3.7%. That's awful. A 40% shooter is coincidentally 3.7% better eFG% than the Warriors were. One needs to be defended at all times on the perimeter, the other you will gladly let shoot over and over.

I know all shots aren't created equally, but maybe you should think before you type.

But but but...Danny missed his last three shots!! He must be an awful shooter!! :cry

[DaBears]

Adam Hanga is a breed between JSIMMS & Thabo Sefelosa.. His biggest weaknesses are Shooting, you'd expect the same game type as what you currently see in JSIMMS - long ball...

[Leetonidas]

53% from the field 38% from three....people acting like this dude is rondo from distance or something :lol I know fiba t3 is easier but still

[picnroll]

Adam Hanga is a breed between JSIMMS & Thabo Sefelosa.. His biggest weaknesses are Shooting, you'd expect the same game type as what you currently see in JSIMMS - long ball...
Simmons main strength on offense is driving to the basket. That's not the offense I've seen in Hanga's videos. He's more breaks and cuts.

[cjw]

How much of the MLE would have to be eaten into to sign Hanga? And does this impact ability to retain Simmons (if staying above cap, my understanding is it doesn't - and no MLE if below cap).

[spursistan]

I read that article this morning and sadly they don't state anything within the article definitive that he is, lol
872502409452556289

[spursistan]

Probably means they expect Simmons to be priced out of their range..And knowing Pop's "more than just basketball" ethos, they will tell him to go get the money considering where he comes from..

[DAF86]

So basically Danny Green with the ability to dribble and make layups.

I wish he was as good a 3pt shooter as Danny, even ice cold Danny.

[cd021]

How much of the MLE would have to be eaten into to sign Hanga? And does this impact ability to retain Simmons (if staying above cap, my understanding is it doesn't - and no MLE if below cap).
If they stay over, then they could use the LLE and leave the MLE for Simmons but that would mean that Simmons is almost certainly gone. If the go under the cap route then it would mean that they would probably have to dump Gasol to open enough cap space to retain him (see my post a few posts up)

Edit:
Apparently Simmons won't take up the MLE at all, but the under the cap scenario is still true

[Chinook]

If they stay over, then they could use the LLE and leave the MLE for Simmons but that would mean that Simmons is almost certainly gone.

They don't need the MLE for Simmons, as they have his EB rights.

[cd021]

They don't need the MLE for Simmons, as they have his EB rights.

So they could , in theory, retain him and still have the MLE if they go over the cap?

[Chinook]

So they could , in theory, retain him and still have the MLE if they go over the cap?

Yes, and the LLE.

[dabom]

Is this a sign they are trying to clear cap space?

[TD 21]

Probably means they expect Simmons to be priced out of their range..And knowing Pop's "more than just basketball" ethos, they will tell him to go get the money considering where he comes from..

Not necessarily. With the rosters expanding to 17, him being inexpensive (probably 1 year minimum) and the need for as many mid sized defenders as possible in today's game, there's really no reason not to sign him.

It just so happens that there's a lot of overlap with Simmons, so he could be a somewhat of a replacement. In reality though, if Simmons is re-signed, he'll likely be the third wing, while Hanga will likely be fifth or sixth.

[MaNu4Tres]

+1

This guy could easily be a Simmons replacement, meaning we don't have to throw big money at a guy who would probably be redundant.

Not redundant. Its 2017. Spurs will need to play more wings moving forward and they need to be long, athletic and defensive. Kawhi, Green, Simmons, and Hanga are that.

[Dex]

Not redundant. Its 2017. Spurs will need to play more wings moving forward and they need to be long, athletic and defensive. Kawhi, Green, Simmons, and Hanga are that.

If we can clear space for him...a lot of that depends on Manu's decision, really.

The Spurs are obviously willing to flex the wing position with 2s, 3s, and 4s...but that still is an area that doesn't have a lot of minutes available.

Let's say there are 96 minutes between the SG and SF. Kawhi is obviously going to eat up at least 35MPG when it matters.

Danny is probably going to get another 30 MPG (if he isn't shipped off in a trade for CP3 or another big piece).

That leaves 31 minutes to piece out between Manu (if he returns), Simmons, Hanga, and Anderson.

Slomo may be able to spell some minutes at PF as well, but...the wing was a pretty crowded area on the floor last season. If it weren't for Tony and Kawhi's injury, we probably wouldn't have even seen much of Simmons or Anderson in the playoffs.

Like I said, a lot depends on if Manu is going to be back next season. If he is, then it probably makes less sense to have Simmons around. If not, then keeping The Juice in the fridge is worth paying for a reasonable contract.

[noles1983]

It's like when you blow your nose on a tissue and you hear the booger dislodge and you figure you scored, but you look at the tissue and there's nothing there. Then you look in the mirror and there on your mustache is a nice hanga.

:lol

[TheDoctor]

Not redundant. Its 2017. Spurs will need to play more wings moving forward and they need to be long, athletic and defensive. Kawhi, Green, Simmons, and Hanga are that.

A 2nd unit of Manu (as PG), Simmons (as SG) and Hanga (as SF) could be interesting against other team's benches.

[MaNu4Tres]

A 2nd unit of Manu (as PG), Simmons (as SG) and Hanga (as SF) could be interesting against other team's benches.

Or Murray Hanga Simmons Bertans Bell :hat

[TheDoctor]

Or Murray Hanga Simmons Bertans Bell :hat

As well.

[TD 21]

Or Murray Hanga Simmons Bertans Bell :hat

No spacing and not enough defensive rebounding. Post defense would also be an issue against Jefferson, Randolph, Monroe, Cousins (probably comes out early and returns when Davis rests), Kanter, Okafor.

Barring significant improvement in Murray's range shooting, just playing him with one of Simmons or Hanga will be difficult enough; both would be untenable.

[TheDoctor]

No spacing and not enough defensive rebounding. Post defense would also be an issue against Jefferson, Randolph, Monroe, Cousins (probably comes out early and returns when Davis rests), Kanter, Okafor.

Barring significant improvement in Murray's range shooting, just playing him with one of Simmons or Hanga will be difficult enough; both would be untenable.
We were talking vs benches type of players and obviously taking matchups into consideration.

[TD 21]

We were talking vs benches type of players and obviously taking matchups into consideration.

I know, but you still need to be able to space the floor and defensive rebound.

[Trill Clinton]

why is everyone calling him old?

[objective]

Not redundant. Its 2017. Spurs will need to play more wings moving forward and they need to be long, athletic and defensive. Kawhi, Green, Simmons, and Hanga are that.

100%

Wings al who can switch and defend are hard to come by. They're so important with smallball. And against GS they need a lot of guys to get out and switch so that GS never gets an advantage

Best case scenario: Kawhi, Green, Manu, Simmons, Hanga, Murray, Paul/Hill/Jrue, ...

1-3 they'll be able to switch and cover all over

[xellos88330]

You make yourself sound like a clown.

Green is a career 40% three point shooter. That's a world different than 30%. A 30% shooter has an eFG% that would have been worst in the league by 3.7%. That's awful. A 40% shooter is coincidentally 3.7% better eFG% than the Warriors were. One needs to be defended at all times on the perimeter, the other you will gladly let shoot over and over.

I know all shots aren't created equally, but maybe you should think before you type.

You know damn well that if someone is close to Danny Green, he cannot do shit with the ball you daft ****. Do you even understand game flow? If he doesn't have an open 3 he rarely takes a shot because he cannot finish in traffic on the regular. Hanga on the other hand can do more than just chuck up a 3. He can initiate and draw fouls and things that Green just doesn't seem to be able to do. Sure Green has the better 3pt percentage, but an and 1 is worth just as many points plus the added bonus of getting a team into foul trouble. Do us all a favor and learn a bit on how the game is played and you may see that what I am saying has merit.

Danny Green last season averaged a miniscule 1 total FTA every 2 games. Hanga averages 2.5 EVERY game.

Danny Green if he took 10 3 point shots at his 40% 3pt% and 1 free throw over the course of 2 games would have a total of 25 points. Hanga would average 22 points if he took his average FT makes per game and 3pfg% when taking 10 3's. This gives Green a HUGE advantage as it is his specialty. Hanga is still right there with him with the difference over 2 games being rather negligible.

Now let us do the same with 2pts and FTA

Green if he took 10 2PA would score when combined with FT 17.8 PPG. Hanga would generate 26 PPG under the same conditions with his 2pt FG%.

So tell me again why I am wrong?

[Chinook]

Xellos with the one-dimensional analysis.

[xellos88330]

Xellos with the one-dimensional analysis.

Most people cannot handle more than one dimension. It is a courtesy dude.

Hanga also averages more steals, rebounds and assists. Green has him on blocks though.

[jermaine]

He's rated the same as Simmons on 2k17.. lol But his defense an dunking is waaaaaaay better. 3's an jumpers are trash!

[BackHome]

I agree what's good is Green when come playoff they just guard him with there best offense player so he can rest cause he knows Green can't dribble the damn ball. Not that I hate Green to me he is kinda like Patty ur sixth or 7th man. It to me he is not starting material for SG.

[MaNu4Tres]

No spacing and not enough defensive rebounding. Post defense would also be an issue against Jefferson, Randolph, Monroe, Cousins (probably comes out early and returns when Davis rests), Kanter, Okafor.

Barring significant improvement in Murray's range shooting, just playing him with one of Simmons or Hanga will be difficult enough; both would be untenable.

Theres always positives and negatives to most bench lineups , but by all means, carve out the negatives you see. Just like you did with Dedmon/ Lee front court at start of last year. They wouldnt work because spacing right?

[cjw]

Xellos with the one-dimensional analysis.

Xellos is all about counting stats and not situational. Green isn't in the game to drive to the basket, and three point shooters rarely get fouled.



Most people cannot handle more than one dimension. It is a courtesy dude.

Hanga also averages more steals, rebounds and assists. Green has him on blocks though.

Green has the top block percentage of any guard in NBA history. Yeah, that's right.

Hanga has played zero games in the NBA so his stats may not translate to the NBA. I'm sure drawing and ones is harder in the NBA than it is in Europe. Though international game is less minutes.

Green's elite offensive skill works when surrounded by certain players (guys who need ball in their hands) as it creates gravity away from them. If you had Hanga or Simmons or whoever, you could switch off everyone behind the line and pack the paint.

Hanga has been a nice defender in Europe and I hope it translates to the NBA and he's not a liability on offense. Green is already a near All Defense team guy.

[Atl Spur]

Xellos is all about counting stats and not situational. Green isn't in the game to drive to the basket, and three point shooters rarely get fouled.

You lost me a Green and Elite....... That dude is not starter material with his some timey defense. He is a dang on turnstile out there; everyone blows past him. NO FOOT SPEED!


Green has the top block percentage of any guard in NBA history. Yeah, that's right.

Hanga has played zero games in the NBA so his stats may not translate to the NBA. I'm sure drawing and ones is harder in the NBA than it is in Europe. Though international game is less minutes.

Green's elite offensive skill works when surrounded by certain players (guys who need ball in their hands) as it creates gravity away from them. If you had Hanga or Simmons or whoever, you could switch off everyone behind the line and pack the paint.

Hanga has been a nice defender in Europe and I hope it translates to the NBA and he's not a liability on offense. Green is already a near All Defense team guy.

[SpurPadre]

why is everyone calling him old?

He'll be a 29 year old rookie next season. That's way too fucking old for a rookie.

[rasuo214]

Or Murray Hanga Simmons Bertans Bell :hat

Bertans would be the only guy that could shoot the ball.

[MaNu4Tres]

Bertans would be the only guy that could shoot the ball.

Okay.

Forbes Morrow Novak Bertans Tolliver.

[objective]

He'll be a 29 year old rookie next season. That's way too fucking old for a rookie.

Don't think he's 29 until April

[Vic Petro]

Scola came over at 27. It's not unheard of. Definitely possible they can squeeze out 2-3 years of usefulness.

[TheGreatYacht]

Green slurpers are on their rag, I see.

Obviously D-League is a better shooter. Green is a 32-37 3p% shooter nowadays. Hanga was at 30% in a euro 3pt line. Otoh Hanga can do other stuff which D-League just can't.

Defensively RIGHT NOW the pecking order of our wings would be Leonard-Simmons-Hanga-Green. You can argue with this dick if you disagree. Simmons had a masterpiece of a defensive job these playoffs being the primary defender on Harden and Klay. Danny hasn't had a good defensive postseason in 3 years now.

Simmons must be kept at all costs still, even with the addition of Hanga tbh. Those first 2 years will be bargains.

[SAGirl]

Probably means they expect Simmons to be priced out of their range..And knowing Pop's "more than just basketball" ethos, they will tell him to go get the money considering where he comes from..
I know guys made fun of my comments but to me it signals that Manu is likely retiring.... could be wrong bc not even Manu has made his own mind, but Spurs are getting ready.

Also I expect JSimms back Unless Spurs land a big ticket FA.

[szkorhetz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwxbSfsF9rY
This was already posted in Thinktank, but I know most of the posters don't go downstairs, so enjoy.

[look_at_g_shred]

Green slurpers are on their rag, I see.

Obviously D-League is a better shooter. Green is a 32-37 3p% shooter nowadays. Hanga was at 30% in a euro 3pt line. Otoh Hanga can do other stuff which D-League just can't.

Defensively RIGHT NOW the pecking order of our wings would be Leonard-Simmons-Hanga-Green. You can argue with this dick if you disagree. Simmons had a masterpiece of a defensive job these playoffs being the primary defender on Harden and Klay. Danny hasn't had a good defensive postseason in 3 years now.

Simmons must be kept at all costs still, even with the addition of Hanga tbh. Those first 2 years will be bargains.
I just don't see what the big deal on his 3pt percentage is..I mean Simmons isn't a great 3 point shooter either but he's worked out just fine.

[look_at_g_shred]

With Hanga coming over, I think the danny green spurs era is over.

[xellos88330]

Xellos is all about counting stats and not situational. Green isn't in the game to drive to the basket, and three point shooters rarely get fouled.




Green has the top block percentage of any guard in NBA history. Yeah, that's right.

Hanga has played zero games in the NBA so his stats may not translate to the NBA. I'm sure drawing and ones is harder in the NBA than it is in Europe. Though international game is less minutes.

Green's elite offensive skill works when surrounded by certain players (guys who need ball in their hands) as it creates gravity away from them. If you had Hanga or Simmons or whoever, you could switch off everyone behind the line and pack the paint.

Hanga has been a nice defender in Europe and I hope it translates to the NBA and he's not a liability on offense. Green is already a near All Defense team guy.

Everyone hopes it will translate. If his game does indeed translate to the NBA, then he will be a more effective player than Green is. There is more than one solution to attacking a team that packs the paint. 1 is to have a lot of shooters. The second is to attack before the defense can set. Hanga is a superior transition threat. If Green rebounds the ball, then what happens. He passes the ball to a better ball handler and cannot really push the pace. If Hanga rebounds the ball, he has the ability to keep the ball and create in transition either for himself or for someone else. For the past few years I have been screaming for Green to improve his drive and finishing ability in traffic. If he just did this, I wouldn't have a problem. He just isn't that kind of player. To resolve this issue, the Spurs need a player that can knock down an open 3 and attack the closeout with enough court vision to find the open man once the defense breaks down.

Also, if Hanga does attack with the opposing team packing the paint, then that means that multiple players will be required to stop him inside the paint. If multiple players are required that means that someone is open and the defense will be scrambled trying to rotate. This is where Hanga and his passing will come into play.

[TheGreatYacht]

With Hanga coming over, I think the danny green spurs era is over.
One can only hope. If your only offensive weapon is your 3pt shot, and it's regressed to average - below average... you've got to go.

2015 playoffs: 30.0 3P%
2016 season: 33.2 3P%
2017 season: 37.9 3P% (33.8 3P% this calendar year)
2017 playoffs 34.2 3P%

[Chinook]

With Hanga coming over, I think the danny green spurs era is over.

You don't get rid of a starter for a min. Now if Hanga comes over and shows he can play at the NBA level, Danny could be part of a mid-season trade.

[coachmac87]

You don't get rid of a starter for a min. Now if Hanga comes over and shows he can play at the NBA level, Danny could be part of a mid-season trade.

I know you hate speculating about this but what if Green is the odd man out in CP3 deal...who's the starting SG and potential rotation?

[xellos88330]

You don't get rid of a starter for a min. Now if Hanga comes over and shows he can play at the NBA level, Danny could be part of a mid-season trade.

This is definitely more realistic. Green will have his spot legitimately threatened. It may light the fire under him again if Simmons hasn't done so already.

[Chinook]

I know you hate speculating about this but what if Green is the odd man out in CP3 deal...who's the starting SG and potential rotation?

I can't imagine that the Spurs don't go into next season with neither Danny nor Jon starting.

[coachmac87]

One can only hope. If your only offensive weapon is your 3pt shot, and it's regressed to average - below average... you've got to go.

2015 playoffs: 30.0 3P%
2016 season: 33.2 3P%
2017 season: 37.9 3P% (33.8 3P% this calendar year)
2017 playoffs 34.2 3P%


I want best for the Spurs and not a "fan" of any particular player...but this post speaks wonders to me. Danny is an extremely limited offensive player as we know...

You can't ignore those #'s. Those are terrible for a "specialist" who gets the most open look 3's on the team by a long shot..he's supposed to be one of the best shooters on our team or league and it's been disappointing..

[look_at_g_shred]

You don't get rid of a starter for a min. Now if Hanga comes over and shows he can play at the NBA level, Danny could be part of a mid-season trade.
Yea but in this scenario, Simmons is kept and is the starting SG

[Chinook]

Yea but in this scenario, Simmons is kept and is the starting SG

Which scenario? Not the one where Hanga comes over. That has nothing to do with Green and everything to do with him being an FA, him wanting to come over and the Spurs having a roster spot. I think it's possible that Simmons would be kept to be the starter over Green, but I think it's incredibly unlikely.

[Atl Spur]

This is definitely more realistic. Green will have his spot legitimately threatened. It may light the fire under him again if Simmons hasn't done so already.

Too late for this..... Danny has an affordable contract that should be easily moved. Tyreke Evans may be an answer for our roster.

[look_at_g_shred]

Which scenario? Not the one where Hanga comes over. That has nothing to do with Green and everything to do with him being an FA, him wanting to come over and the Spurs having a roster spot. I think it's possible that Simmons would be kept to be the starter over Green, but I think it's incredibly unlikely.
The scenario where green is shipped out to sign CP.

[Chinook]

The scenario where green is shipped out to sign CP.

Where'd that scenario come form?

[Play Boban]

I hope Hanga enjoys his time in Austin because that's the only Spurs uniform he'll ever don.

[look_at_g_shred]

Where'd that scenario come form?
Spurs would need to move some contracts to make room.

[Chinook]

Spurs would need to move some contracts to make room.

You'd think they'd move a PG instead if they're going to sign one.

Look, I'm not going to say Green would never be traded away to make room. I think PATFO told him that he'd be moved if Durant had agreed to come over last summer. But I also don't think they'll ignore Pau and Parker if looking to add Paul. For all this loyalty talk, it's completely dissonant with a pursuit of any outside free agent. If Tony is not moveable, then Paul isn't coming, as far as I see.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Sickening the disrespect for Green Ranger in this thread.

[SpurPadre]

Don't think he's 29 until April

Which is next season...

[TD 21]

Theres always positives and negatives to most bench lineups , but by all means, carve out the negatives you see. Just like you did with Dedmon/ Lee front court at start of last year. They wouldnt work because spacing right?

I don't know why you take someone disagreeing with you so personally and are still dwelling on the Mahinmi comment.

The Dedmon/Lee front court was so great, that Pop eventually went away from it. Even so, two non shooting bigs, one of whom is a plus passer, is still more tenable than three non shooting perimeter players. That's a good way to completely run Leonard into the ground just so have a shot at a top 4 seed and significantly diminish the chances of even making it to the WCF . . . oh, I forgot; you've decided Murray is already the next Leonard, so problem solved!

For someone who thinks they're so attuned to "today's game", you'd think you'd know that you need firepower and defensive versatility, because the days of grinding teams out with scores in the 80s and 90s are over. They can fill the roster with as many versatile defenders as they want and maybe they can slow the Warriors down some, but if they can't also score big against them, they'll never stand a chance.

[r0drig0lac]

San Antonio Baskonia Spurs

[UZER]

Well we can expect him to start contributing in the playoffs when he's 31.