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How is this guy? Any news about him?
He recently won the Euroleague Defensive Player of the Year award and has stated that he intends to come over to the NBA this summer. From what I've read, his game seems to be comparable to Jonathon Simmons. 6"7 wing, long, athletic.
Could we possibly sign his this offseason along with Milutinov to serve as potential replacements for Ginobili / Simmons?
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Sefolosha, but more athletic, much better playmaker, not as good a shooter.
If I had to evaluate him honestly, I'd probably say he has Nash's shot, Rose's athleticism, and Parker's speed and finishing ability tbh fwiw imo
The 2017 versions yes
Hanga will be good. The big guy will depend on what happens with Dedmon, LMA & Pau. I guess contractually he stays at Olympiacos, avoids a buyout? and rookie scale situation. But like I said depends what happens in next weeks with big men movement.
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Probably best back up SF option in the Kawhi era.
Here's a scouting report, though I have no idea as to how truly accurate it is. It seems to link up pretty well with what others have been saying.
https://fansided.com/2017/05/26/adam...outing-report/
I'd like him to play one game for the Spurs - against the Pacers. It would be cool to have Kawhi, Bertans, and Hanga on the floor at the same time.
He's long on athleticism, and short on shooting ability. Yet another player that has people saying that "he'll need some time with Chip Engelland". I can't count the number of times I've heard people say we should just bring a player, and Chip will make him a shooter overnight. The other thing that people always underestimate is that the level of athleticism/quickness in the NBA is incredible. To survive on athleticism in the NBA, a guy has to be damn near superhuman. I've seen him play a couple of times, and I don't think he's superhuman.
As badly as the Spurs need players on cheap contracts, I could see it happening. I wouldn't look for him to have any impact in the first year, at least.
Maybe not, but his athletic measurables compare favorably with Jonathan Simmons, who seems to be athletic enough.
Well that's what the article says. Just out of curiosity... did you happen to watch Simmons play last year?
I don't dislike the guy. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that I think it's likely he's on the roster at the beginning of the season. And if he is, he'll likely be shuttling back and forth to Austin. If the Spurs lose Simmons, maybe the Spurs will be more desperate for a guy with similarities to Simmons. But at this point, he's not an upgrade to Simmons.
The one caveat to that is salary. The Spurs are in cap , and they have some holes to fill. Simmons increased his market value a lot in the playoffs. If someone massively over-pays him, the Spurs may not have any choice about letting him go, and Hanga may be more of a necessity. I said it in my post above, the Spurs are going to have to find at least a couple of players on the cheap. Hopefully Hanga and/or his agent don't price him out of a deal.
[Edit: BTW- the guy who wrote that article about Hanga being like Simmons is a EuroLeague fan, and he's every bit as biased as most ST fans are about Spurs players. He comes right out and says that Hanga is ready to be a star in the NBA. , Simmons isn't nearly a star in the NBA, and he's a known quan y at the NBA level. There is some fact mixed in, but that article is ridiculous. That's not your fault - you didn't write it. But it's not exactly an objective "scouting report".]
Last edited by GSH; 05-31-2017 at 11:10 AM.
lol mav Krew
If my understanding is right, if somebody goes hard after Simmons it'll cost the Spurs about $13 million in cap space. For 3 yrs or so. In that case everybody might need to get real comfortable with Hanga and hope h'es good. If that's what Simmons gets offered I'd rather the Spurs go hard after McCaw in 2018.
I admit, I haven't watched enough of Hanga to give as much of a scouting report, but I find it hard to believe that a guy that has played as much high-level professional basketball as Hanga has is as raw as Simmons was last year. I did watch Simmons play his first year, and yeah; he was very overeager and he didn't know how to channel his athleticism. The fact that Hanga won the Euroleague DPOY would seem to conclude that he's harnessed his athleticism pretty well.
I'm completely in agreement that Hanga is, in no way, an upgrade over Simmons. The fact that Simmons has done it in the NBA and Hanga hasn't is proof enough for me. I'm dubious that the Spurs can keep Simmons due to the financial issue that you outlined, and Hanga allows them to reconsider matching a large offer from the Nets or a similar squad. If the Spurs think that there's another player that they want in a different role than Simmons, I think Hanga gives them the freedom to consider that option.
And yeah, I'm not really under any illusion that what I linked to was the best perspective on Hanga's ability. Just thought that it might make an interesting read. Anybody that says Hanga can be an NBA star is a little drunk on the kool-aid, to put it kindly.
ETA: My bad; meant to quote GSH here.
Just to clarify on salary, Simmons can get offered a contract that starts off up to $8.4M per year for the first two years, then more after that. The Spurs can choose to match and either pay in that format or average it out. For example, let's say he gets offered a 3 year, $30M deal with the breakdown being year 1: $8.4M, year 2: $8.4M, and year 3: $13.2M. The Spurs then have the option to match it and either pay in that structure or make it $10M/year.
I think the Spurs would have to dump Gasol to resign Simmons under the cap.
I could see Brooklyn being a and offering something like:
Year 1-$8.4
Year 2-$8.4
Year 3-$17.2
Year 4 -$17.5
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$51.5 Million
$12.875 Per year.
$7 million with Mills cap hold
$13.75 Million in cap without Mills cap hold
Like I said , I'd rather ride it out with Hanga and a drafted wing and try to steal McCaw with a similar deal in 2018. Wish the Spurs would buy a pick to increase their odds of nailing a good wing/PG.
Wow. That's actually a very realistic offer. $50 mill for 4 years is not exorbitant for him.
Hmmmm I have assumed Spurs will re-sign him but he's just as unknown at this point as Mills, Deadman etc. That's an actual long term commitment that would require a belief he will be up to that contract and that it won't end up as an overpay.
One wonders too if Pop is intent on keeping both LMA and Gasol and whether trades are really being considered so it's interesting. Also interesting bc of the potential need to let go of Mills' caphold.
That's actually pretty helpful, and clear.
I've said it before, and I'll say it a few more times before June 22 - this draft is more important than anything the Spurs will do in the FA market. The biggest priority this team has is keeping Kawhi, and that means that they have to put enough talented players around him to contend. They can't afford to do that for '17-'18, unless a couple of big names decide to take a haircut for the privilege of playing in SA with Kawhi. And with the FA market being so wild, it's getting more clear that they Spurs have to strike gold n the draft and bring in some good players on cheap contracts, and let them grow up learning how to feed off Kawhi. The Spurs FO has the reputation of being able to find gems in the draft. It's how they built the dynasty to begin with. And if they're going to bring it back, that's how they have to do it again.
You can't build a team with guys like Dedmon on 1 and 2 year deals. You can fill in holes that way, but you can't build a team around it. If the Spurs can parlay a player into a decent pick, they need to do it. If they can buy a second-rounder with cash, they need to do that too. They need two keepers from this draft class. Take a rebuild year, and get a higher first round pick next year. THEN maybe they can get a big FA to round things out. Try and do it through the FA market, and they are going to keep bleeding out talent as quickly as they can bring it in.
That's actually pretty helpful, and clear.
I've said it before, and I'll say it a few more times before June 22 - this draft is more important than anything the Spurs will do in the FA market. The biggest priority this team has is keeping Kawhi, and that means that they have to put enough talented players around him to contend. They can't afford to do that for '17-'18, unless a couple of big names decide to take a haircut for the privilege of playing in SA with Kawhi. And with the FA market being so wild, it's getting more clear that they Spurs have to strike gold n the draft and bring in some good players on cheap contracts, and let them grow up learning how to feed off Kawhi. The Spurs FO has the reputation of being able to find gems in the draft. It's how they built the dynasty to begin with. And if they're going to bring it back, that's how they have to do it again.
You can't build a team with guys like Dedmon on 1 and 2 year deals. You can fill in holes that way, but you can't build a team around it. If the Spurs can parlay a player into a decent pick, they need to do it. If they can buy a second-rounder with cash, they need to do that too. They need two keepers from this draft class. Take a rebuild year, and get a higher first round pick next year. THEN maybe they can get a big FA to round things out. Try and do it through the FA market, and they are going to keep bleeding out talent as quickly as they can bring it in.
Take a rebuild year???? Who the rebuilds when you have a top 3 player in the league? I understand drafting and getting young players to groom but late round draft picks aren't going to make the Spurs more compe ive in the next 2 years...and by then Kawhi contract will be up.
IMO it's more important finding a legit #2 option..
Brooklyn did something very similar to that with Tyler Johnson last year, so you may be ending predicting this correctly.
Hanga is real and we won't miss Simmons and he will produce better results on defense and offense then Green...BOOK IT..........
the best perimeter defender in Europe after diamantidis and kirilenko will not do well in nba? lmao, he would already be one of the top three defenders on the team even in his rookie season
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