LOL "best people"

[RandomGuy]

Wow.

For those of you who seem to draw some lazy equivalence between the parties, this is a rather stark exchange that shows how the nutty fringe has taken over mainstream GOP politics, and they do not care what is true.

Remember, this guy is nominated by Trump to be a freaking federal judge.




Kentucky lawyer John Bush, nominated by Donald Trump for a federal appeals court, once wrote, “The Democrats are trying to win with the same game plan as in 2008, only substitute woman for Black.”

And that may be the least controversial thing he said.

When nominated, Bush was forced to come clean about his blogging alias, “G. Morris,” which he used on his wife’s blog, “Elephants in the Bluegrass.” When blogging, Bush often relied on less-than-credible sources.

At his Senate confirmation hearing, Minnesota’s Al Franken dug into Bush’s blogging, sharply questioning the lawyer’s judgement when it came to citing sources that peddled in conspiracy theories.

“One of the qualities I look for in a judge is judgment,” Franken said. He then started his questions to the rightwing blogger seeking a seat on the circuit court by asking about judgment and how Bush decided to site World News Daily, a site Franken described as “a website known for peddling conspiracy theories, fake news, and white nationalism,” in his posts.

It went downhill for Bush from there, who squirmed and struggled to defend his judgment in relying on a fake news cite for his far-right writings.


FRANKEN: You used the G. Morris alias when you wrote a series of posts about President Obama that seemed to focus on the president’s Kenyan heritage. One of those posts quotes freely from an article on World News Daily, a website known for peddling conspiracy theories, fake news, and white nationalism. World News Daily was also well known for trafficking in birtherism — the widely debunked and racist belief that President Obama was not born in the United States. The article you quote from suggests that a reporter in Kenya was detained by the government because he was investigating, quote, “Barack Obama’s connections in the country.” What point were you trying to make in this post? It was a post titled “Brother’s Keepers,” as in — this is the name of it — “Keep that anti-Obama reporter in jail.”

BUSH: Well, first of all, before getting into the particular post, I have to tell the committee, there are some things I’ve written on the posts, or the blog, that I wish I could phrase differently or said differently at this point. That particular post, I don’t recall all the details of it, but I was certainly not intending to endorse any views of another group as far as birtherism goes.

FRANKEN: Well, in several other posts, you wrote — you quote from, you cite sources like World News Daily. How did you decide which sources to rely upon in your writings and how did you decide which sources were credible?

BUSH: As a blogger, I was finding things that were in the news that were of note. I thought — I wasn’t intending to, through the post, to say that President Obama was not born in this country. I never—

FRANKEN: How did you decide — could you answer my questions? How did you decide which sources were credible? And do you believe that World News Daily is a credible source?

BUSH: As I said, when I was doing the blog, I made some posts that I today would not do. And I don’t particularly recall that one. What went into the decision to use that particular story, but I am not endorsing any of the birther view points of that particular person.

FRANKEN: OK, let me ask you again. How did you decide which sources were credible, and how did you decide that World News Daily is a credible source?

BUSH: I don’t know whether I decided that or not. I just really cannot remember.

FRANKEN: So you were free — you felt free to put posts out that cited sources that you knew were not credible?

BUSH: No, senator, I’m not saying that.

FRANKEN: What are you saying?

BUSH: I’m saying that as a blogger, I was making political statements—

FRANKEN: Using sources that engaged in fake news, hate speech. And again, what I was saying was, is that I think we have to, when we’re confirming judges, look at judgment. And in my mind, using my judgment to confirm someone to the circuit court who felt free to blog posts, and can’t answer how he decides whether to cite a source or not, whether it’s credible or not, that’s disturbing to me. Thank you.

Transcript and article here. (http://shareblue.com/al-franken-grills-trump-judicial-nominee-for-spreading-fake-news-thats-disturbing/)

[clambake]

its not what you believe, its what you agree to believe.

[boutons_deux]

"Kentucky lawyer John Bush"

typical of the kind of garbage the Repugs pack the courts with. Trash is facing 10s if not 100s of Federal judgeships nominated by Obama that Repug Senate would not hear or threatened to filibuster.

Famous example of Repug garbage judge is dubya's Priscilla Owen, then there are the VRWC stooges on SCOTUS

[DMC]

Is John Bush an ST poster? Sounds like what most of the regulars here do.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dem's have no one to blame but themselves for the situation we are in. You can mock the stupidity of the GOP all they like but until they come to grips with their own leadership then it's going to keep repeating itself.

After the most embarrassing loss in modern election history what did the Dems do to change? Leadership outside of Wasserman is the same.

[RandomGuy]

Dem's have no one to blame but themselves for the situation we are in. You can mock the stupidity of the GOP all they like but until they come to grips with their own leadership then it's going to keep repeating itself.

After the most embarrassing loss in modern election history what did the Dems do to change? Leadership outside of Wasserman is the same.

You missed the most recent election at the top.

[tlongII]

Al Franken? Seriously? :lol

[boutons_deux]

Dem's have no one to blame but themselves for the situation we are in. You can mock the stupidity of the GOP all they like but until they come to grips with their own leadership then it's going to keep repeating itself.

After the most embarrassing loss in modern election history what did the Dems do to change? Leadership outside of Wasserman is the same.

Hillary would have won by as much as Trash did except Pootin/Assange and Comey.

"stupidity"? racist, misogynist assholes who were OBVIOUSLY conned, duped by Trash and are now to be badly screwed.

[Trainwreck2100]

Kentucky lawyer John Bush, nominated by Donald Trump for a federal appeals court, once wrote, “The Democrats are trying to win with the same game plan as in 2008, only substitute woman for Black.”

He ain't that wrong about that.

[Adam Lambert]

Al Franken? Seriously? :lol

bro if youre going to fanboy on donald trump you dont get to :lol at any other elected official

[Chris]

Al Franken? Seriously? :lol

:lol

Made an ass out of himself going after the honorable Judge Gorsuch. :lol He should go back to being a whiney c*nt on SNL :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hillary would have won by as much as Trash did except Pootin/Assange and Comey.

"stupidity"? racist, misogynist assholes who were OBVIOUSLY conned, duped by Trash and are now to be badly screwed.

She allowed it to get close from what should have been an insurmountable lead a month before the election. She all but punted midwest battleground states and ignored rural America completely.

She had some things go against her but she ended up whining more after it was all said and done as opposed to anything in crunch time. She was dealing with the biggest fool to run for the office in history and she shit the bed.

You cannot count on the critical thinking skills in this country to get you through. You have to lead us but instead she allowed Trump to dictate the narrative time and again. She did little more than parrot selective stupid shit he said. Even her main talking point about building bridges instead of walls was piggy backing off of him.

She did nothing to distinguish herself. That's on her and the party who insisted on her.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol

Made an ass out of himself going after the honorable Judge Gorsuch. :lol He should go back to being a whiney c*nt on SNL :lol

You are quite the sycophantic fanboi.

[AaronY]

She allowed it to get close from what should have been an insurmountable lead a month before the election. She all but punted midwest battleground states and ignored rural America completely.

She had some things go against her but she ended up whining more after it was all said and done as opposed to anything in crunch time. She was dealing with the biggest fool to run for the office in history and she shit the bed.

You cannot count on the critical thinking skills in this country to get you through. You have to lead us but instead she allowed Trump to dictate the narrative time and again. She did little more than parrot selective stupid shit he said. Even her main talking point about building bridges instead of walls was piggy backing off of him.

She did nothing to distinguish herself. That's on her and the party who insisted on her.
Honestly, she was a very boring speaker so I doubt her going to the Midwestern states would have made a difference

[Thread]

Honestly, she was a very boring speaker so I doubt her going to the Midwestern states would have made a difference

If that makes ya feel better. Because he mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

[boutons_deux]

Dem's have no one to blame but themselves for the situation we are in.

Bullshit

Hillary lost by under 100K votes because of Pootin/Assange and Comey

The wider, longer picture is the 10Ms of Americans are truly fucked, dispairing, drugging, drinking, suicedes, ending with nothing for working their entire, no financial security, no future for them or their kids. The "system", America The Beautiful, had failed them.

How did they get there? 40 years of VRWC rigging the economy, resulting in World Champion inequality.

They were happy to be suckered, duped, lied to by Trash, combined with what election analysis said huge motivations racism and sexual discrimination.

And of course, all women, her gender was a huge negative for Hillary. Her haters had more than enough of at the knitter, they didn't want no old, fat bitch.

I'm not defending the Dems. They are as big of whores to BigDonor as the Repugs, just more discreet about it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bullshit

Hillary lost by under 100K votes because Pootin/Assange and Comey

The wider, longer picture is the 10Ms of Americans are truly fucked, dispairing, drugging, drinking, suicedes, ending with nothing for working their entire, no financial security, no future for them or their kids. The "system", America The Beautiful, had failed them.

How did they get there? 40 years of VRWC rigging the economy, resulting in World Champion inequality.

They were happy to be suckered, duped, lied to by Trash, combined with what election analysis said huge motivations racism and sexual discrimination.

And of course, all women, her gender was a huge negative for Hillary. Her haters had more than enough of at the knitter, they didn't want no old, fat bitch.

I'm not defending the Dems. They are as big of whores to BigDonor as the Repugs, just more discreet about it.

You're making excuses for them as you always do.

All politicians lie. It's what they do that is important.

Clinton was up double digits and ran such a horrid campaign that it put Trump in striking distance. I am not saying Russian and Comey did not hurt her but it should have never been close enough to matter.

She counted on the woman's vote and they did not come out for her. She counted on the minority vote and they did not come out for her. She counted on the educated vote and they did not come out for her.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Honestly, she was a very boring speaker so I doubt her going to the Midwestern states would have made a difference

Very few people pay attention to speeches. It's more about the press coverage and motivating surrogates. She left them hung out to dry.

[AaronY]

If that makes ya feel better. Because he mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.
Why would her being a boring speaker make me feel better?

[Thread]

Why would her being a boring speaker make me feel better?

Because you can blame that on her loss and you'll feel better deflecting the truth.

[Chris]

Bullshit

Hillary lost by under 100K votes because of Pootin/Assange and Comey

The wider, longer picture is the 10Ms of Americans are truly fucked, dispairing, drugging, drinking, suicedes, ending with nothing for working their entire, no financial security, no future for them or their kids. The "system", America The Beautiful, had failed them.

How did they get there? 40 years of VRWC rigging the economy, resulting in World Champion inequality.

They were happy to be suckered, duped, lied to by Trash, combined with what election analysis said huge motivations racism and sexual discrimination.

And of course, all women, her gender was a huge negative for Hillary. Her haters had more than enough of at the knitter, they didn't want no old, fat bitch.

I'm not defending the Dems. They are as big of whores to BigDonor as the Repugs, just more discreet about it.

Until we get rid of the Fed nothing will change boots. You can point the finger at both parties until you're blue in the face, but the real problem lies with our currency.

[Th'Pusher]

Until we get rid of the Fed nothing will change boots. You can point the finger at both parties until you're blue in the face, but the real problem lies with our currency.

Shut the fuck up. You're both a moron and an asshole.

[Chris]

Shut the fuck up. You're both a moron and an asshole.

I don't do the troll thing. Bless your little heart.

[rmt]

You're making excuses for them as you always do.

All politicians lie. It's what they do that is important.

Clinton was up double digits and ran such a horrid campaign that it put Trump in striking distance. I am not saying Russian and Comey did not hurt her but it should have never been close enough to matter.

She counted on the woman's vote and they did not come out for her. She counted on the minority vote and they did not come out for her. She counted on the educated vote and they did not come out for her.

Well, even as a minority woman with a college degree - why would I want someone who wants more people flooding our southern borders and more refugees from terrorist countries coming here? Don't we Americans have enough problems here without inviting in people who might mow us down/knife us?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, even as a minority woman with a college degree - why would I want someone who wants more people flooding our southern borders and more refugees from terrorist countries coming here? Don't we Americans have enough problems here without inviting in people who might mow us down/knife us?

Let me know if somebody cares?

[boutons_deux]

"why would I want someone who wants more people flooding our southern borders"

to do the nasty, dirty, hot, filthy, low-paid work US citizens won't

"refugees from terrorist countries coming here"

... from countries where USA has intervened, for BigCorp profit, to destabilize those counties into continuing "failed states"

"Don't we Americans have enough problems here"

immigrants per capita commit less crime that US citizens.

[pgardn]

Well, even as a minority woman with a college degree - why would I want someone who wants more people flooding our southern borders and more refugees from terrorist countries coming here? Don't we Americans have enough problems here without inviting in people who might mow us down/knife us?

What if Bundification seeps into your backyard and declares a new country?
They will test your allegiance. You might be required to feed the marauders Hostess snack cakes or die.
So much to be fearful of...

[Trainwreck2100]

Well, even as a minority woman with a college degree - why would I want someone who wants more people flooding our southern borders and more refugees from terrorist countries coming here? Don't we Americans have enough problems here without inviting in people who might mow us down/knife us?

this is america, nobody runs around with knives

[RandomGuy]

Al Franken? Seriously? :lol

Just because he is from Minnesota, doesn't mean his questions are invalid.

[boutons_deux]

Serious Al Franken demonstrates what a fucking JOKE are the Repug Senators.

[RandomGuy]

Well, even as a minority woman with a college degree - why would I want someone who wants more people flooding our southern borders and more refugees from terrorist countries coming here? Don't we Americans have enough problems here without inviting in people who might mow us down/knife us?

Statistically speaking, you are more likely to be killed by someone born in the US than any immigrant or refugee, this is true both on an abosolute basis, as well as by per capita ratios.

This means you would, on balance, be safer with more immigrants.

These immigrants are also often younger, and have more kids, ultimately contributing a net to the long term US economy. (estimated at about $90k @ NPV if my memory of the economic paper I read a few years back is accurate)

That makes your statement both being factually wrong, as well as un-christian.

Just sayin'. You are smarter and kinder than that.

[boutons_deux]

You are smarter and kinder than that.

fake news.

RMT is ideologically blinded

[rjv]

Dem's have no one to blame but themselves for the situation we are in. You can mock the stupidity of the GOP all they like but until they come to grips with their own leadership then it's going to keep repeating itself.

After the most embarrassing loss in modern election history what did the Dems do to change? Leadership outside of Wasserman is the same. Dems have created a civil war because they have a tendency to cannibalize one another. Whereas the GOP is willing to embrace even the lunatic fringe factions of its membership, dems would rather alienate extremely important demographics that would tend to vote for their party. Regarding millennials and third party voters as "nuts" (Hillary Clinton's recent comments) and sabotaging the Sanders campaign is demonstrable evidence of that fact. Unless the dems understand that there is a legitimate and increasingly growing base of its party that has tired of neoliberal policies and war-mongering, they will continue to struggle to gain seats in congress or to win back the White House. Blaming the Russians, Sanders supporters and Jill Stein won't change that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dems have created a civil war because they have a tendency to cannibalize one another. Whereas the GOP is willing to embrace even the lunatic fringe factions of its membership, dems would rather alienate extremely important demographics that would tend to vote for their party. Regarding millennials and third party voters as "nuts" (Hillary Clinton's recent comments) and sabotaging the Sanders campaign is demonstrable evidence of that fact. Unless the dems understand that there is a legitimate and increasingly growing base of its party that has tired of neoliberal policies and war-mongering, they will continue to struggle to gain seats in congress or to win back the White House. Blaming the Russians, Sanders supporters and Jill Stein won't change that.

The dichotomy between oligarchy and the people is stark. I still find it interesting that the oligarchy won in the Dem party and not in the GOP. White trash makes one hell of a voting bloc.

The difference was the nature of the usurpers and how the losing factions responded. Trump capitalized on the stupidity of white trash but the elites aligned against him with the refrain of NEVERTRUMP. That they did not mean it and were pragmatic after the convention is unsurprising. They still had policy initiatives and elections to win.

OTOH, the elites were able to undermine the Dem usurper from smoke filled rooms at the DNC. And as plebs are wont to do they were not realistic nor pragmatic and insisted on an ideal that was not there.

And the rooms at the DNC are still filled with smoke. I don't know who you are expecting to change. I don't think it's lost on the oligarchy that their interests run anathema to plebs.

What the liberal plebs need to realize is that while you can support a few worthwhile national candidates mostly outside of leadership any real substantive change is going to happen at the grass roots by influencing the locally elected delegates that choose the leadership at the convention and write the platform.

Then you can start chipping away at the democratic oligarchy figureheaded by the Kerrys and the Clintons.

[boutons_deux]

"White trash makes one hell of a voting bloc"

myth

Trash's voters were divided in thirds: 1/3 < $50K, 1/3 = $50-100K, 1/3 > $100K

Both parties are corrupted by BigDonor.

BigProgressiveDonors may be progressive socially, but financially they are as conservative/venal as rightwing donors.

[Thread]

"White trash makes one hell of a voting bloc"

myth

Trash's voters were divided in thirds: 1/3 < $50K, 1/3 = $50-100K, 1/3 > $100K

Both parties are corrupted by BigDonor.

BigProgressiveDonors may be progressive socially, but financially they are as conservative/venal as rightwing donors.






Here's boutsy, I'll boil it down for ya:::

He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

"White trash makes one hell of a voting bloc"

myth

Trash's voters were divided in thirds: 1/3 < $50K, 1/3 = $50-100K, 1/3 > $100K

Both parties are corrupted by BigDonor.

BigProgressiveDonors may be progressive socially, but financially they are as conservative/venal as rightwing donors.

I just talked about how GOP elites became pragmatic after they lost at the convention and you come with this. Not surprising but sad nonetheless.

The GOP primaries saw an increase in turnout by 20%. The new voter demographic? Poor, uneducated, whites ie white trash and they were coming out to vote for Trump. No shit the GOP base still voted the ticket in the general. 55% of them didn't in the primary.

[Thread]

I just talked about how GOP elites became pragmatic after they lost at the convention and you come with this. Not surprising but sad nonetheless.

The GOP primaries saw an increase in turnout by 20%. The new voter demographic? Poor, uneducated, whites ie white trash and they were coming out to vote for Trump. No shit the GOP base still voted the ticket in the general. 55% of them didn't in the primary.

& I called this first, Lump. Me. Upwards of 75% of the electorate will be going to the polls henceforth, led by Repubs, but, will affect across the parties.

After decades of neglect & indifference, we're gonna do us some votin'.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

& I called this first, Lump. Me. Upwards of 75% of the electorate will be going to the polls henceforth, led by Repubs, but, will affect across the parties.

After decades of neglect & indifference, we're gonna do us some votin'.

You don't have the millennial vote and whiteys hegemony is shrinking every day. Have fun with your delusions.

[rjv]

The dichotomy between oligarchy and the people is stark. I still find it interesting that the oligarchy won in the Dem party and not in the GOP. White trash makes one hell of a voting bloc.

The difference was the nature of the usurpers and how the losing factions responded. Trump capitalized on the stupidity of white trash but the elites aligned against him with the refrain of NEVERTRUMP. That they did not mean it and were pragmatic after the convention is unsurprising. They still had policy initiatives and elections to win.

OTOH, the elites were able to undermine the Dem usurper from smoke filled rooms at the DNC. And as plebs are wont to do they were not realistic nor pragmatic and insisted on an ideal that was not there.

And the rooms at the DNC are still filled with smoke. I don't know who you are expecting to change. I don't think it's lost on the oligarchy that their interests run anathema to plebs.

What the liberal plebs need to realize is that while you can support a few worthwhile national candidates mostly outside of leadership any real substantive change is going to happen at the grass roots by influencing the locally elected delegates that choose the leadership at the convention and write the platform.

Then you can start chipping away at the democratic oligarchy figureheaded by the Kerrys and the Clintons. That the oligarchs were so capable of easily transitioning from the expectation that Cinton would win to a Trump victory instead is telling because it vindicates the presumption that there has been a minutia of difference between the monolithic Democrats and the GOP, when it comes to policy making. I do think there is such a movement that you refer to at the lower level and there appears to be momentum there. Whether or not it will be enough to resurrect the Democrats remains to be seen.

[rmt]

"why would I want someone who wants more people flooding our southern borders"

to do the nasty, dirty, hot, filthy, low-paid work US citizens won't

"refugees from terrorist countries coming here"

... from countries where USA has intervened, for BigCorp profit, to destabilize those counties into continuing "failed states"

"Don't we Americans have enough problems here"

immigrants per capita commit less crime that US citizens.

boutons, maybe if we didn't have so much welfare without work, these US citizens would be willing to do whatever work there was to put food on the table. And problems do not just include crime - there is stress to all our systems - our educational, legal, etc. Put Americans to work and stop with this insane illegal immigration.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That the oligarchs were so capable of easily transitioning from the expectation that Cinton would win to a Trump victory instead is telling because it vindicates the presumption that there has been a minutia of difference between the monolithic Democrats and the GOP, when it comes to policy making. I do think there is such a movement that you refer to at the lower level and there appears to be momentum there. Whether or not it will be enough to resurrect the Democrats remains to be seen.

There is no significant economic or foreign policy difference between neocons like Bush and Cheney and neolibs like Clinton and Kerry. The social issues do diverge but not by much.

Obama was not necessarily one particularly in rhetoric but he packed his administration and the DNC with them.

[Thread]

You don't have the millennial vote and whiteys hegemony is shrinking every day. Have fun with your delusions.

But, it'll hold for the next decade, give or take a year.

That should get me close to my house.

[RandomGuy]

The dichotomy between oligarchy and the people is stark. I still find it interesting that the oligarchy won in the Dem party and not in the GOP. White trash makes one hell of a voting bloc.

The difference was the nature of the usurpers and how the losing factions responded. Trump capitalized on the stupidity of white trash but the elites aligned against him with the refrain of NEVERTRUMP. That they did not mean it and were pragmatic after the convention is unsurprising. They still had policy initiatives and elections to win.

OTOH, the elites were able to undermine the Dem usurper from smoke filled rooms at the DNC. And as plebs are wont to do they were not realistic nor pragmatic and insisted on an ideal that was not there.

And the rooms at the DNC are still filled with smoke. I don't know who you are expecting to change. I don't think it's lost on the oligarchy that their interests run anathema to plebs.

What the liberal plebs need to realize is that while you can support a few worthwhile national candidates mostly outside of leadership any real substantive change is going to happen at the grass roots by influencing the locally elected delegates that choose the leadership at the convention and write the platform.

Then you can start chipping away at the democratic oligarchy figureheaded by the Kerrys and the Clintons.

I think that is beginning to happen. Reaction to Trump is spurring a lot of grass roots involvement. A new batch of people is coming in to run for everything, and that will provide a decent framework and population from which to draw the best candidates.