Woj: Pau Gasol to opt out and re-sign long-term with Spurs

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

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[Mal]

We need salary space update ASAP

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Means the Spurs intend to use cap space this summer, instead of operating over the cap. Could also mean they'd stash or trade the 29th pick.

[TheGreatYacht]

Better than Deadman</3, tbh....

Thanks for sacrificing that money for the good of the team, MVPau :worthy:

[szkorhetz]

It's happening.

[baseline bum]

So are they about to salary dump Aldridge to make a run at CP3?

[coachmac87]

Spurs will also stash or trade pick

[emanueldavidginobili]

Thank god

[SPURt]

Pau trying to win, I dig it

[szkorhetz]

So are they about to salary dump Aldridge to make a run at CP3?
Green, TBH. Redick will sign for MLE.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Green, TBH. Redick will sign for MLE.

Green will not be enough. Also can't use cap space and MLE.

[baseline bum]

Green, TBH. Redick will sign for MLE.

Why would Reddick sign so cheaply? He'll get way more on the open market.

[szkorhetz]

Green will not be enough. Also can't use cap space and MLE.
So who will trade for LMA? Probably sign and trade for Paul, once Griffin leaves to Boston? Lal? Phoenix? Atlanta?

[coachmac87]

Why would Reddick sign so cheaply? He'll get way more on the open market.

Same reason why Pau would opt out....

[JuneJive]

LMA ain't going nowhere. Stop being delusional.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Redick has been open about his desire to get paid. He's not coming.

[jyra]

Green will not be enough. Also can't use cap space and MLE.

It's going to be interesting to see how the front office plans to open up more cap space than the MLE is worth.

[baseline bum]

Same reason why Pau would opt out....

Gasol is opting out to get a three year deal most likely.

[coachmac87]

Gasol is opting out to get a three year deal most likely.

But it's still a sacrifice and taking less to win

[baseline bum]

But it's still a sacrifice and taking less to win

It's an old guy likely to sign for a long deal to get more guaranteed money.

[r0drig0lac]

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[NASpurs]

Thank you Pau, this is what I wanted :worthy: Team player all the way

[Chinook]

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[LaMarcus Bryant]

We are fucked.

[picnroll]

Wonder who they have targeted. Vencenie suggssted a S&T of Simmons for Rubio, maybe throw in the 29. I wouldn't mind that.

[baseline bum]

Wonder who they have targeted. Vencenie suggssted a S&T of Simmons for Rubio, maybe throw in the 29. I wouldn't mind that.

I wouldn't trade Fathead for Scrubio

[Chinook]

Pau might be dodging a trade. Hoping Minny backs up a truck for Gasol and lets the Spurs off. That said, I don't appreciate the Spurs using cap space for the third year in a row. It's getting really tight at this point.

[lil'mo]

Wonder who they have targeted. Vencenie suggssted a S&T of Simmons for Rubio, maybe throw in the 29. I wouldn't mind that.

Rubio??? Fuck off

[RD2191]

Fuck Pau, he turned US down when he was actually still useful. Hopefully the Spurs tell him to fuck off.

[baseline bum]

Rubio??? Fuck off

LOL going after a point guard who shoots in the high 30s.

[baseline bum]

Fuck Pau, he turned US down when he was actually still useful. Hopefully the Spurs tell him to fuck off.

This.

[dylankerouac]

What do you think he will resign for? 12? 8?

[baseline bum]

What do you think he will resign for? 12? 8?

Probably looking for something like 3 years, $35 million.

[ernest787]

Im hoping for a 3 year / $24m

[dylankerouac]

S for 3/35 what can the team do with an extra ~4 mil this year?

[NASpurs]

Hopefully the Spurs turn the lights off at their offices and change their phone numbers when Pau and his agent come knocking to resign.

[Venti Quattro]

Same reason why Pau would opt out....

Reddick wants to get paid and Pau Gasol wants to be retained on a winning team

[Mal]

Probably looking for something like 3 years, $35 million.

No way. 4 milion in cap space this offseason is not worth the hasle. It have to be 8-9 mil annualy tops

[Venti Quattro]

Hopefully the Spurs turn the lights off at their offices and change their phone numbers when Pau and his agent come knocking to resign.

:lmao

[TimDunkem]

Fuck everyone in this thread who suggested stashing the 29th pick of the deepest draft in years, or trading for Ricky Scrubio.

[dylankerouac]

Hopefully the Spurs turn the lights off at their offices and change their phone numbers when Pau and his agent come knocking to resign.
Lol. With him gone we just have LA and David. For 12 or 8 he may be worth it depending on the market which is usually too much $$$ anyway.

[MultiTroll]

Hopefully the Spurs turn the lights off at their offices and change their phone numbers when Pau and his agent come knocking to resign.
This.
The declining geezers frontline plan has been a major fail since 2008.

[coachmac87]

Reddick wants to get paid and Pau Gasol wants to be retained on a winning team

Or Reddick could want to win as well?? Expect the unexpected....

Green will be traded
Spurs will stash or trade their 1st

CP3 is Plan A

[TimDunkem]

This.
The declining geezers frontline plan has been a major fail since 2008.

[Joseph Kony]

:wow no fucking way

[Spur|n|Austin]

Didn't see that coming from Pau, solid move by the Spainaird.

[baseline bum]

No way. 4 milion in cap space this offseason is not worth the hasle. It have to be 8-9 mil annualy tops

I doubt he's about giving up money. If he didn't care about being paid he would have come to San Antonio in the summer of 2014.

[Spurs9]

Can we plz offer him $3million a year so he walks?

[TimDunkem]

We're soon about to lose TP (or at least a slightly productive TP), Manu, Gasol is re-signing, we're losing Simmons, are thin at center and the guard positions, and have low upside players in Forbes and Fathead - and people want the 29th pick of the deepest draft in years traded or stashed?

Morons.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Pau and Lee news hitting like this is a signal the Spurs have their man/men. :bobo

[Chinook]

I doubt he's about giving up money. If he didn't care about being paid he would have come to San Antonio in the summer of 2014.

He's a free agent now. He'll get something like that on the open market easily. Doesn't mean the Spurs have to match. While it's just good business to say "working on" at this stage rather than having agreed to a contract already, I'm not sure that it's a done deal that he's back. Until we hear about a trade for LMA, Green or Parker, the Spurs need Pau's money. It's not clear how much will be left for him.

[Chinook]

The Pau and Lee news hitting like this is a signal the Spurs have their man/men. :bobo

Or that they want to go into the draft knowing whom they can trade.

[Mal]

I doubt he's about giving up money. If he didn't care about being paid he would have come to San Antonio in the summer of 2014.

He's 39, he earned like 200mil. 8 + 8 + 8(half guaranteed, Duncan last deal) give him 20 mil. How much would you think he'll sign next year for, if so ? 5 ? 6 mil ? So he's giving up 2 mil.

[Joseph Kony]

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[duncan2150]

Good news, but i hope we keep our pick or do something during the draft .....

[Dex]

The Pau and Lee news hitting like this is a signal the Spurs have their man/men. :bobo

What's the report on Lee?

Edit: Nevermind, just saw it on the Offseason thread. Opting out. :tu

[Chinook]

What's the report on Lee?

He opted out too. But that was obvious.

[duncan2150]

Or that they want to go into the draft knowing whom they can trade.

We can trade the rights of some players right who will be FA ? thanks.

[Chinook]

We can trade the rights of some players right who will be FA ? thanks.

Nope. But they'd be tradeable had they opted in. Now they know they can't trade Pau.

[Mal]

Nope. But they'd be tradeable had they opted in. Now they know they can't trade Pau.

Can Phila offer him 20 mil to tutor The Process for one year and then he's gone ?

[Chinook]

Can Phila offer him 20 mil to tutor The Process for one year and then he's gone ?

Yes, if the world is just.

[DPG21920]

I doubt he's about giving up money. If he didn't care about being paid he would have come to San Antonio in the summer of 2014.

3 years / 24M makes sense. The 3rd year will be a player option. This guarantees Pau the 16M he was due (just over 2 years now) and gets him another 8M for the courtesy.

[duncan2150]

Nope. But they'd be tradeable had they opted in. Now they know they can't trade Pau.

Ok thanks.

[dylankerouac]

So Lee and Gasoline opted out? Does Lee want more money?

[Mal]

So Lee and Gasoline opted out? Does Lee want more money?

Lee can be signed using of exception that Spurs will have. It will be slightly more than 1.6 mil he opted out.

[raybies]

My guess he wanted more control over his situation. Spurs could of traded him to anyone however unlikely but now he can do as he pleases.

[dylankerouac]

Lee can be signed using of exception that Spurs will have. It will be slightly more than 1.6 mil he opted out.

Thanks I was hoping the Spurs could keep Lee.

[AFMadison]

We're soon about to lose TP (or at least a slightly productive TP), Manu, Gasol is re-signing, we're losing Simmons, are thin at center and the guard positions, and have low upside players in Forbes and Fathead - and people want the 29th pick of the deepest draft in years traded or stashed?

Morons.
Losing Simmons? Explain

[superbigtime]

He opted out too. But that was obvious.

Is it anticipated Lee returns? Hope so.

[duncan2150]

Can someone explain the situations of mills and simmons please ? cap hold, rights, max contrat we can offer ( i saw something like 8.4 mo/yr max for simmons)

[Russ]

Pau trying to win, I dig it

I think he wants to hang out, be well-paid (but not to excess) and live the good life.

Can't argue with that. :toast

[tmtcsc]

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[Dverde]

i could see it being a three year deal with a "retirement" payout on the last year.

[Joseph Kony]

how does this impact our cap situation this summer?

[look_at_g_shred]

Welcom to SA, Kristaps!

[TimDunkem]

Is it anticipated Lee returns? Hope so.
Spurs won't be able to afford him.

[Dverde]

He has career earnings in excess of 182 million. Maybe he'll give the Spurs a discount.

[superbigtime]

Spurs won't be able to afford him.

Just read that Tom Orsborn of SA Express News expects him to be gone. Sucks to lose such a guy, a great fit. Seriously how expensive could he be.

[Captivus]

Not sure how I feel about this...I think long-term wise, this is not good for the Spurs, just get it over with the next year...

[davi78239]

I think G. Hill coming back.

[Strategic]

After saying earlier that he plans to opt in? Agree that he changed his mind after catching wind that he is being shopped around in trade rumors.

[Chinook]

Just read that Tom Orsborn of SA Express News expects him to be gone. Sucks to lose such a guy, a great fit. Seriously how expensive could he be.

Spurs would be able to afford him just fine. The question is going to be if they actually want him.

[tmtcsc]

Now.....RC.....Salary Dump Parker and your journey to my good side will be complete.

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[Chinook]

After saying earlier that he plans to opt in? Agree that he changed his mind after catching wind that he is being shopped around in trade rumors.

Pau never said he was going to opt in. He said he wanted to be a Spur for the foreseeable future. And despite my optimism, this move is still in line with that.

[davi78239]

I hope they aren't doing this to give Porker his 3 year deal...

[coachmac87]

Pau never said he was going to opt in. He said he wanted to be a Spur for the foreseeable future. And despite my optimism, this move is still in line with that.

What deal would he need to stay in CP3 sweepstakes's?

[Chinook]

What deal would he need to stay in CP3 sweepstakes's?

I don't have my spreadsheet with me, but the team would still need to trade Green or stretch/trade Tony to make enough room for a full max. So any bit of salary Pau takes up runs against that.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't see how Pau opting out in order to sign a longer contract for less money would be a good thing in terms of attracting Paul or another max or near max player. The easiest way to create cap space was to trade him or if he'd opt out not to return.

Him getting a new contract is likely the end of the hopes for Paul.

[Play Boban]

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:wow MVPau :wow

[buttsR4rebounding]

Spurs would be able to afford him just fine. The question is going to be if they actually want him.

His minutes will go to Bertans and to a lesser degree to Anderson IMO.

[sasaint]

I think he wants to hang out, be well-paid (but not to excess) and live the good life.

Can't argue with that. :toast

Pau never thought that "the good life" could be lived in SA.

[coachmac87]

I don't have my spreadsheet with me, but the team would still need to trade Green or stretch/trade Tony to make enough room for a full max. So any bit of salary Pau takes up runs against that.

Ok just checking..and you're not gonna like this but Spurs are looking to trade Green and stash/trade the first...

[baseline bum]

3 years / 24M makes sense. The 3rd year will be a player option. This guarantees Pau the 16M he was due (just over 2 years now) and gets him another 8M for the courtesy.

I think that only makes sense if he's planning on playing two years while getting paid for 3. And even then that's kind of low since it would be essentially playing the second year for $8 million since he's opting out of $16 million for next season. Usually players seem to do these kind of opt outs to get a lot more guaranteed money. Hence my expectation of him wanting 3 years, $35 million. That would clear $5 million off the Spurs cap number this season since they could offer a starting salary a little over $11 million with 4.5% raises to hit 3 years, $35 million.

[Chinook]

Ok just checking..and you're not gonna like this but Spurs are looking to trade Green and stash/trade the first...

I will flip much more about the first than about Green.

[DPG21920]

I don't see how Pau opting out in order to sign a longer contract for less money would be a good thing in terms of attracting Paul or another max or near max player. The easiest way to create cap space was to trade him or if he'd opt out not to return.

Him getting a new contract is likely the end of the hopes for Paul.

Because if SA really wanted to trade Pau to get CP3 Pau would not have opted out. If he did opt out and it was not discussed with SA he just did them a massive favor bc now they don't have to trade him. He's off the books.

[rjv]

Ok just checking..and you're not gonna like this but Spurs are looking to trade Green and stash/trade the first... sources? is this inside info?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I think that only makes sense if he's planning on playing two years while getting paid for 3. And even then that's kind of low since it would be essentially playing the second year for $8 million since he's opting out of $16 million for next season. Usually players seem to do these kind of opt outs to get a lot more guaranteed money. Hence my expectation of him wanting 3 years, $35 million. That would clear $5 million off the Spurs cap number this season since they could offer a starting salary a little over $11 million with 4.5% raises to hit 3 years, $35 million.

^^I'm sure it's going to be in this range. Pau's not going to go 3 for $24M. His self-evaluated worth will be much higher than that.

[gambit1990]

I don't have my spreadsheet with me, but the team would still need to trade Green or stretch/trade Tony to make enough room for a full max. do it rc.

[baseline bum]

I don't have my spreadsheet with me, but the team would still need to trade Green or stretch/trade Tony to make enough room for a full max. So any bit of salary Pau takes up runs against that.

What's the rule on max salaries? All the articles I read quote Paul's max at 35% of the cap, but I know the CBA used to be written so that a max salary was 25%/30%/35% of a somewhat lower percentage of the average BRI than the average BRI used to calculate the cap. Is that rule still in place in the current CBA, and if so, what's the difference in the average BRI figure they use to calculate max salaries vs the average BRI they use to calculate the cap?

[Hoops Czar]

This by itself means nothing. Pau could be opting out so the Spurs can keep the band together... Simmons, Paddy, pay Manu what he deserves, etc., not so the Spurs can improve through free agency.

[Ice009]

Ok just checking..and you're not gonna like this but Spurs are looking to trade Green and stash/trade the first...

Where did you hear that?

[CGD]

I knew we'd be refinancing this guy. Welcome news I gather.

[rjv]

This by itself means nothing. Pau could be opting out so the Spurs can keep the band together... Simmons, Paddy, pay Manu what he deserves, etc., not so the Spurs can improve through free agency. i am much more inclined to believe that this is the case. imho, the spurs feel that they have some younger talent that started to come into its own during the playoffs and are willing to see if that can develop even further this season. i am not saying i completely agree with that assessment but i get the feeling the spurs FO is inclined to think so. of course, the NBA dynamic is so fluid at this time of the year, that these initial inclinations can change.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Because if SA really wanted to trade Pau to get CP3 Pau would not have opted out. If he did opt out and it was not discussed with SA he just did them a massive favor bc now they don't have to trade him. He's off the books.

I'd cling on the hope he's gone if it wasn't going directly against what Woj reports. Woj knows his stuff.

[Joseph Kony]

Just read that the Clippers have inquired about trading Jordan to Phoenix for the #4 :wow

Blake rumored to be going to Boston, Clippers trying to trade Jordan, Pau opting out, confirmed reports of Paul meeting with Spurs...

[baseline bum]

Just read that the Clippers have inquired about trading Jordan to Phoenix for the #4 :wow

Blake rumored to be going to Boston, Clippers trying to trade Jordan, Pau opting out, confirmed reports of Paul meeting with Spurs...

Who is reporting Griffin to Boston?

[rjv]

Who is reporting Griffin to Boston? i read last week that woj considered the celtics a serious threat towards landing blake. here is the link: http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/06/14/adrian-wojnarowski-celtics-really-the-danger-to-sign-blake-griffin-from-clippers/

[TheGreatYacht]

Now we have to get Manure's huge cap hold out of the way and trade Danny Green :tu

[CGD]

Now we have to get Manure's huge cap hold out of the way and trade Danny Green :tu

Danny to ATL for 19 and Dunlevey's contract (which has TO)

[TheDoctor]

I don't have my spreadsheet with me, but the team would still need to trade Green or stretch/trade Tony to make enough room for a full max. So any bit of salary Pau takes up runs against that.
That's the worst case scenario tbh. If CP0 comes to SA I doubt it would be for the Full Max. Or at least I hope so.

[apalisoc_9]

Now we have to get Manure's huge cap hold out of the way and trade Danny Green :tu

Its only 6 mill brag iirc :lol

[DPG21920]

I'd cling on the hope he's gone if it wasn't going directly against what Woj reports. Woj knows his stuff.

I'm saying it doesn't signal anything with regards to CP3 because it was a move discussed with SA and if SA wants CP then they did this move knowing that.

[DPG21920]

i am much more inclined to believe that this is the case. imho, the spurs feel that they have some younger talent that started to come into its own during the playoffs and are willing to see if that can develop even further this season. i am not saying i completely agree with that assessment but i get the feeling the spurs FO is inclined to think so. of course, the NBA dynamic is so fluid at this time of the year, that these initial inclinations can change.

That doesn't make sense. Pau didn't need a pay cut to keep the current guys. We have their rights except for Dedmon. Why would Pau care about helping SA save money?

[Mnky]

Good sign. As much as i love lee, if he doesn't come back , that just means bertans gets his playing time which im not mad about at all.

[BatManu20]

Thanks Pau. :tu

With that said, a 3-yr deal for a guy who turns 37 in 2 weeks is kinda meh. Pau will still be on our books at almost 40 years old.

[Joseph Kony]

Who is reporting Griffin to Boston?
Woj said celtics are a threat and Blake recently named them as a team he'd like to play for. Not saying he's going anywhere but it's interesting to see that he could leave coupled with Clippers exploring trading jordan and Reddick most likely chasing money...maybe they know CP3 is leaving?

[rjv]

That doesn't make sense. Pau didn't need a pay cut to keep the current guys. We have their rights except for Dedmon. Why would Pau care about helping SA save money? you think woj is wrong? or do you think this is part of a scheme to clear cap space for a CP3 run>

[DPG21920]

you think woj is wrong? or do you think this is part of a scheme to clear cap space for a CP3 run>

Woj didn't say anything about this being for SA to keep their current guys. He said it was to give SA flexibility

[DAF86]

This has to mean the whole "CP3 to the Spurs" thing is stronger than we imagined. The only way I see Pau accepting this is if the PATFO told him "look, we need you to this so that we can sign Paul".

[rjv]

Woj didn't say anything about this being for SA to keep their current guys. He said it was to give SA flexibility the spurs will need flexibility if they want to bring in Hanga and not lose any of the current roster, specifically mills and simmons.

[bluebellmaniac]

the spurs will need flexibility if they want to bring in Hanga and not lose any of the current roster, specifically mills and simmons.

Pau isn't opting out for Hanga.

[DesignatedT]

This has to mean the whole "CP3 to the Spurs" thing is stronger than we imagined. The only way I see Pau accepting this is if the PATFO told him "look, we need you to this so that we can sign Paul".

Not sure this means cp3 is a lock but I definitely think there's strong mutual interest. However, if the spurs wiff on Paul, I could see the Spurs paying to bring George Hill back.

[rjv]

Pau isn't opting out for Hanga. never said he was. just agreeing that he was opting out to give the spurs flexibility, according to woj. whether that is for a run at paul or just to keep what they have while still being able to add a few more minor pieces is just speculation at this point.

[cd021]

Green, TBH. Redick will sign for MLE.

Reddick is asking for $20 million and Green is a better player btw.

[TimDunkem]

Reddick is asking for $20 million and Green is a better player btw.
Green is not a better player. And I don't even want Reddick.

[DPG21920]

the spurs will need flexibility if they want to bring in Hanga and not lose any of the current roster, specifically mills and simmons.

That is incorrect. Hanga can be brought in no problem even with keeping Mills & Simmons. Pau opting out only saves Spurs owners money in that situation and nothing else.

[cd021]

Hopefully the Spurs turn the lights off at their offices and change their phone numbers when Pau and his agent come knocking to resign.

Ghosting tbh:lol

[rjv]

That is incorrect. Hanga can be brought in no problem even with keeping Mills & Simmons. Pau opting out only saves Spurs owners money in that situation and nothing else. you don't think that 2018 is part of that equation? or minor additions as opposed to a big name FA?

[TheGreatYacht]

Reddick is asking for $20 million and Green is a better player btw.
:lol lmfaoooooo

[HarlemHeat37]

Reddick is asking for $20 million and Green is a better player btw.

Redick will get his money and fanfare due to his skin color, tbh..all his metrics fell off a cliff, this season, his on/off metrics were all around 0 or even in the negatives IIRC..

Also, he shot 36% from 3 during Chris Paul's absence..any team that signs him better have some shot creators:lol (Spurs don't, they were a bottom 5 team in 3s generated off drives)

Some team with a heavy white fanbase will sign him..

[cd021]

:lol lmfaoooooo

I stand by what I said; you replace Green with Reddick and the Spurs would be worse off.

[cd021]

Redick will get his money and fanfare due to his skin color, tbh..all his metrics fell off a cliff, this season, his on/off metrics were all around 0 or even in the negatives IIRC..

Also, he shot 36% from 3 during Chris Paul's absence..any team that signs him better have some shot creators:lol (Spurs don't, they were a bottom 5 team in 3s generated off drives)

Some team with a heavy white fanbase will sign him..

Utah, Boston are the only teams that come to mind.:lol

[rjv]

Utah, Boston are the only teams that come to mind.:lol those were the exact teams i thought of right off the bat.

[HarlemHeat37]

Utah, Boston are the only teams that come to mind.:lol

I was just playing about that part, tbh:lol

I have no idea who would be willing to pay that much for a worse and older version of Patty Mills..maybe Brooklyn? Dallas is a team that likes to throw tons of money at washed-up players, as well..

[Mikeanaro]

^^I'm sure it's going to be in this range. Pau's not going to go 3 for $24M. His self-evaluated worth will be much higher than that.
I think he should get new mirrors or bigger TVs because if his self evaluated worth is any bigger than vet minimum he is mental asylum material.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Been hearing Redick to the Sixers. They can afford to pay him big time since they have no reason to be stingy for the next couple years. He'll get looks off Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz. If they get injured, who cares he got paid.

[HarlemHeat37]

Been hearing Redick to the Sixers. They can afford to pay him big time since they have no reason to be stingy for the next couple years. He'll get looks off Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz. If they get injured, who cares he got paid.

Good point, I could see that fit..they could use a veteran shooter, and their athleticism would be a nice mask for his deficiencies..

If the Spurs traded Green, Philly would be a nice landing spot for him, too, from a fit perspective..

[Ron Swanson]

Hopefully the Spurs turn the lights off at their offices and change their phone numbers when Pau and his agent come knocking to resign.

New phone. Who dis?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Good point, I could see that fit..they could use a veteran shooter, and their athleticism would be a nice mask for his deficiencies..

If the Spurs traded Green, Philly would be a nice landing spot for him, too, from a fit perspective..

Don't remember if it's been stated before, but another idea brought up by Nate Duncan was sign and trading Simmons for Jahlil Okafor if he gets too pricey. May be worth the gamble since he's still on his rookie contract.

[Keepin' it real]

Not sure this means cp3 is a lock but I definitely think there's strong mutual interest. However, if the spurs wiff on Paul, I could see the Spurs paying to bring George Hill back.

That'll intimidate the Warriors. :wakeup

[SAGirl]

Good news. Thank you Pau.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Been hearing Redick to the Sixers. They can afford to pay him big time since they have no reason to be stingy for the next couple years. He'll get looks off Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz. If they get injured, who cares he got paid.

That would be an excellent fit with the need they have in the backcourt even with Fultz.

[SAGirl]

Pau might be dodging a trade. Hoping Minny backs up a truck for Gasol and lets the Spurs off. That said, I don't appreciate the Spurs using cap space for the third year in a row. It's getting really tight at this point.
I thought the same concerning the trade dodging.
Spurs surely intended the Draconian if he didn't opt out .... but this is fine.
It's still not enough for a max deal I think right?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I thought the same concerning the trade dodging.
Spurs surely intended the Draconian if he didn't opt out .... but this is fine.
It's still not enough for a max deal I think right?

If they renounce Pau, Manu, and Dedmon then they are ~$13m under the cap.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/

If they renounce everyone but Patty and Simmons then they will be down to $83.3m of a $101m cap when you add the remainder still under contract and the dead money of TD and LJC.

[SAGirl]

He's a free agent now. He'll get something like that on the open market easily. Doesn't mean the Spurs have to match. While it's just good business to say "working on" at this stage rather than having agreed to a contract already, I'm not sure that it's a done deal that he's back. Until we hear about a trade for LMA, Green or Parker, the Spurs need Pau's money. It's not clear how much will be left for him.
This answers my previous question. I order to trade Tony Spurs will have to send sweeteners. I don't think Pop wants to give up sweeteners on top of his hope Tony rehabs and is back... just a hunch.

Both LMA and Danny may be shopped. I don't think Pop is that happy with Lamarcus but it's going to depend on what he gets back. He still needs a legit starting big. IMO like coach says, Danny is at risk to be traded.

[cd021]

Pau might be dodging a trade. Hoping Minny backs up a truck for Gasol and lets the Spurs off. That said, I don't appreciate the Spurs using cap space for the third year in a row. It's getting really tight at this point.
Would hope that they make a ridiculous offer to Iggy first, something like 3 years $66 million just so Iggy can either bolt or force GSW to pay up and make him their 3rd highest payed player (After Curry, & KD, and ahead of Klay and Draymond)

[SAGirl]

Or that they want to go into the draft knowing whom they can trade.
I like this.
Finally Rc doing his job.
Standing pat wasn't going to cut it .... They had too many guys old and on the downturn and some injuries....

[raybies]

Well Spurs need a playmaker and a finishing big. Any ideas what they could do with the money? And how much we looking at in Cap Space. With Pau and David opting out, Manu, Patty, Dedmon renounced, how much we looking at? Any chance we just resign Jonathon and Dedmon? I'm guessing we'd have about 20 million in cap. Any players around that price that can help move the needle?

Ive seen a lot of bigs being worked out by Spurs so far, so I guess that's the direction. I personally don't think Dedmon is worth the Price but I'd definitely make Simmons a priority for anything 12 million per a year or under and he has a small cap hold, so if he doesn't sign anything too soon and force the Spurs hand we'd still have a cap and sign him after.

[SAGirl]

My guess he wanted more control over his situation. Spurs could of traded him to anyone however unlikely but now he can do as he pleases.
Exactly. He's in the driver's seat if where he plays next.

[cd021]

If the Spurs traded Green, Philly would be a nice landing spot for him, too, from a fit perspective..
Someone on the board mentioned Holmes + 36th and 39th pick for Green as a trade idea. That would work for both sides. Spurs get two high seconds rounders to go along with 29 and add Holmes who was really productive last season and making very little money next season.

Green gives Philly shooting- which they desperately need and defense and should fit pretty well with Fultz, Simmons, and Embidd

[raybies]

I'd open up cap and sign Livingston and Igoudala.

https://media.giphy.com/media/fFSJFtyedUg5W/giphy.gif

"Strength in numbers" tbh

[SAGirl]

Well Spurs need a playmaker and a finishing big. Any ideas what they could do with the money? And how much we looking at in Cap Space. With Pau and David opting out, Manu, Patty, Dedmon renounced, how much we looking at? Any chance we just resign Jonathon and Dedmon? I'm guessing we'd have about 20 million in cap. Any players around that price that can help move the needle?

Ive seen a lot of bigs being worked out by Spurs so far, so I guess that's the direction. I personally don't think Dedmon is worth the Price but I'd definitely make Simmons a priority for anything 12 million per a year or under and he has a small cap hold, so if he doesn't sign anything too soon and force the Spurs hand we'd still have a cap and sign him after.
Dedmon who got in Spurs doghouse Dedmon? Like all the way back in the kennel Dedmon? I don't think he will be back. Though he would fit better with CP3, but his ominous fall from grace from starting big to 14 guy in the roster was too precipitous to be meaningless.

The only guy I can see back is Simmons. He contrary to Dedmon, rose in Pop's graces. Only guy I could see back... and I'd. They may go fir Iggy or something.

[SAGirl]

Just read that Tom Orsborn of SA Express News expects him to be gone. Sucks to lose such a guy, a great fit. Seriously how expensive could he be.
Is this about Simmons or Lee? I got lost ....when no one is referenced by name.

Sounds like Lee.

[fusionjazzman72]

I thought it was in regard to David Lee

[SAGirl]

I thought it was in regard to David Lee
Roger... Ty.
Frankly makes sense. IMO.... good as he was he was blocking Davis Bertans from playing time. He also vastly outperformed his small contract. Heck at times he played better than LMA...

[SAGirl]

This has to mean the whole "CP3 to the Spurs" thing is stronger than we imagined. The only way I see Pau accepting this is if the PATFO told him "look, we need you to this so that we can sign Paul".
:tu

[SAGirl]

Pau isn't opting out for Hanga.
Or mills or Simmons TBH

[SAGirl]

you don't think that 2018 is part of that equation? or minor additions as opposed to a big name FA?
No.... Pay opting out had to do with not wanting to get traded in a salary dump like Tiago and Diaw and fir him to decide his own future. Spurs would only do a cap clearing trade to add someone significant not minor additions.... use your common sense.

[Dverde]

Being dumped is much easier if you are being dumped into 16 million dollars. Pau has joined the Spurs salary cap braintrust and will play his last game as a Spur.

[peacemaker885]

Good news. Thank you Pau.

Yup and its great for us fans knowing that RC's getting things done.

[raybies]

Livingston, Leonard, Iguodala, Aldridge, Milutinov

Murray, Simmons/Hanga/Manu, Anderson, Bertans, and 29th

Parker, Forbes, etc

Weakens Golden State and makes us a lot better. You only have to trade Green but you'd have Iguodala. I'm somehow convincing myself this is awesome. I'd give like 10-12 to Livingston starting role on contender and Iguodala 15-18 starting role on contender. They could embrace the idea of playing against Warriors.

Am I crazy lol

[buttsR4rebounding]

Thanks Pau. :tu

With that said, a 3-yr deal for a guy who turns 37 in 2 weeks is kinda meh. Pau will still be on our books at almost 40 years old.

He'll probably be in the rotation with 43 year old Manu and 25 year old KA...all moving at the same speed.

[rjv]

No.... Pay opting out had to do with not wanting to get traded in a salary dump like Tiago and Diaw and fir him to decide his own future. Spurs would only do a cap clearing trade to add someone significant not minor additions.... use your common sense. that's not what jabari young just stated on the radio. he indicated it was a move to clear space for being able to keep as much as they can from this roster and pursue a PG. He also stated that this PG would likely not be chris paul and that simmons has a number in his head, which simmons will not budge from, that young gives a 50/50 chance of the spurs matching, depending on what else transpires. now, if you have a source that contradicts this information (i.e. pau's move to not opt in) so that this is more than speculation on our part, feel free to share.

[objective]

Ugh, I have the same sinking feeling I had when Jefferson opted out.

This is probably bad news.

Pau and his corpse stinking up the Spurs roster for even more years, as he gets progressively worse and worse.

Him shaving off 5 million next year to stiff around for another two is awful in two ways:

A: The discount in 17-18 does jack nothing as far as helping sign meaningful free agents

B:. screws with the future cap flexibility everyone seems so excited about.

I just hope they do the right thing and renounce him.

[superbigtime]

Is this about Simmons or Lee? I got lost ....when no one is referenced by name.

Sounds like Lee.

Lee

[DPG21920]

you don't think that 2018 is part of that equation? or minor additions as opposed to a big name FA?

I think this hurts 2018 because instead of having Pau off the books completely (if 2018 was the plan) he is now on there for whatever salary he agrees too.

[rjv]

I think this hurts 2018 because instead of having Pau off the books completely (if 2018 was the plan) he is now on there for whatever salary he agrees too. that i would have to agree with. and even more so if that number comes in over 8 million.

[TD 21]

Ugh, I have the same sinking feeling I had when Jefferson opted out.

This is probably bad news.

Pau and his corpse stinking up the Spurs roster for even more years, as he gets progressively worse and worse.

Him shaving off 5 million next year to stiff around for another two is awful in two ways:

A: The discount in 17-18 does jack nothing as far as helping sign meaningful free agents

B:. screws with the future cap flexibility everyone seems so excited about.

I just hope they do the right thing and renounce him.

Then why would Spurs go this route? Gasol didn't just up and decide this on his own volition; he's clearly working in concert with them. With Jefferson, it was about ducking the tax. That's not a concern in this case. Clearly, they want to increase their flexibility now, which tells me they intend to upgrade PG and aren't enamored with '18 free agent class. Otherwise, they'd operate over cap, utilize Mills' Bird rights to re-sign him and have MLE at their disposal.

With cap holds and sequencing required, I'm confused as to whether they actually have the $25M in cap space being reported, but if they do, that possibly gets them in the game for Paul (1+1, opt out after 1st year, sign 4 year max; "only" $10M short of what Clippers can offer), probably would for Holiday and definitely would for Hill.

[SilverSpur]

The first steps for GM of the year for RC Buford. Do your magic Big Buford!!

[DPG21920]

The most logical thing is this: Pau & SA spoke about their off season plans and basically said we would like to keep you and this is the plan. However, in order to achieve this plan we have to have money. That is either going to come through a trade or you can opt out and give us flexibility.

If we have to trade you, you don't have a say possibly in where you go. If you opt out, we will try to re-sign you but depending on who we get, we may need all that money. If we end up needing all the money at least you have a say in where you sign in free agency vs us being forced to trade you. But ideally, we can make other moves, accomplish our goals and give you security long term.

It's just so damn hard to know what it means because it's nothing definitive other than SA has more flexibility (not accounting for the ability to trade Pau being gone) and that Pau has a say in where he plays guaranteed now.

[rjv]

Then why would Spurs go this route? Gasol didn't just up and decide this on his own volition; he's clearly working in concert with them. With Jefferson, it was about ducking the tax. That's not a concern in this case. Clearly, they want to increase their flexibility now, which tells me they intend to upgrade PG and aren't enamored with '18 free agent class. Otherwise, they'd operate over cap, utilize Mills' Bird rights to re-sign him and have MLE at their disposal.

With cap holds and sequencing required, I'm confused as to whether they actually have the $25M in cap space being reported, but if they do, that possibly gets them in the game for Paul (1+1, opt out after 1st year, sign 4 year max; "only" $10M short of what Clippers can offer), probably would for Holiday and definitely would for Hill. that is what i tend to think, with CP3 being a long shot and george hill (who would have to agree to less as well), lowry or even rose as the more likely targets.

[dylankerouac]

Forgot about Jefferson for a second there. What could have been with a skilled player with some nasty, what could have been man.

[TD 21]

that is what i tend to think, with CP3 being a long shot and george hill (who would have to agree to less as well), lowry or even rose as the more likely targets.

Heard Spurs aren't interested in Lowry, which is what I expected. Can't imagine they'd be interested in Rose.

Hill wouldn't necessarily have to agree to less, but I don't think Spurs would be high bidder. If he's signed, they'll probably structure his contract with a partially guaranteed 4th season that makes him whole financially, but lowers average annual value/cap hit in first 3 seasons.

If Paul re-signs with Clippers and Hayward signs with Celtics/Heat (Lowe thinks it's now a real possibility), I'd be surprised if Hill doesn't end up a Spur again.

[rjv]

Heard Spurs aren't interested in Lowry, which is what I expected. Can't imagine they'd be interested in Rose.

Hill wouldn't necessarily have to agree to less, but I don't think Spurs would be high bidder. If he's signed, they'll probably structure his contract with a partially guaranteed 4th season that makes him whole financially, but lowers average annual value/cap hit in first 3 seasons.

If Paul re-signs with Clippers and Hayward signs with Celtics/Heat (Lowe thinks it's now a real possibility), I'd be surprised if Hill doesn't end up a Spur again. that seems to follow what i heard from young a while ago. 1) he was adamant that the spurs, although high on murray, are intent on getting a PG, 2) that would likely not be CP3 and 3) hill was a strong possibility.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

877167318060683264

This is exactly what common sense calls for. Instead of ripping off the Spurs he can work out on a deal to free up cap space and realistically compete for a ring with limited time. He can still put some nice numbers for limited time so depending on what the salary end up being I can see this as beneficial to the Spurs

[tonight...you]

Heard Spurs aren't interested in Lowry, which is what I expected. Can't imagine they'd be interested in Rose.

Hill wouldn't necessarily have to agree to less, but I don't think Spurs would be high bidder. If he's signed, they'll probably structure his contract with a partially guaranteed 4th season that makes him whole financially, but lowers average annual value/cap hit in first 3 seasons.

If Paul re-signs with Clippers and Hayward signs with Celtics/Heat (Lowe thinks it's now a real possibility), I'd be surprised if Hill doesn't end up a Spur again.
Hill is also pretty okay splitting time at SG, depending on the match-ups. I actually like Georgie Big Peener as the starter, splitting time with Murray while he also spells the SG position some.

[PopTheGOAT]

I think this hurts 2018 because instead of having Pau off the books completely (if 2018 was the plan) he is now on there for whatever salary he agrees too.
Pau would add maybe 10 mil (?) to next season's books. Manu's salary may be off, Parker would either be gone or cheaper, Aldridge would have an option (I think). So more money would be cleared than lost. Idk what they're up to, but maybe the results of this offseason will be worth whatever money they add to next seasons books.

[DPG21920]

Pau would add maybe 10 mil (?) to next season's books. Manu's salary may be off, Parker would either be gone or cheaper, Aldridge would have an option (I think). So more money would be cleared than lost. Idk what they're up to, but maybe the results of this offseason will be worth whatever money they add to next seasons books.

Sure, as of now nothing has changed for 2018. But seems likely that the end result is Pau has money in 2018 vs not having any if he does not decline his option is what I'm saying.

In that light, this move makes 2018 cap space less likely. Things can change and player moved to open up space, just about what is known.

[tholdren]

Fuck everyone in this thread who suggested stashing the 29th pick of the deepest draft in years, or trading for Ricky Scrubio.

Its the deepest draft in years every year. But yes, rubio sucks

[Uriel]

877214512847482880

[tholdren]

The most logical thing is this: Pau & SA spoke about their off season plans and basically said we would like to keep you and this is the plan. However, in order to achieve this plan we have to have money. That is either going to come through a trade or you can opt out and give us flexibility.

If we have to trade you, you don't have a say possibly in where you go. If you opt out, we will try to re-sign you but depending on who we get, we may need all that money. If we end up needing all the money at least you have a say in where you sign in free agency vs us being forced to trade you. But ideally, we can make other moves, accomplish our goals and give you security long term.

It's just so damn hard to know what it means because it's nothing definitive other than SA has more flexibility (not accounting for the ability to trade Pau being gone) and that Pau has a say in where he plays guaranteed now.

Good take

[GSH]

The most logical thing is this: Pau & SA spoke about their off season plans and basically said we would like to keep you and this is the plan. However, in order to achieve this plan we have to have money. That is either going to come through a trade or you can opt out and give us flexibility.

If we have to trade you, you don't have a say possibly in where you go. If you opt out, we will try to re-sign you but depending on who we get, we may need all that money. If we end up needing all the money at least you have a say in where you sign in free agency vs us being forced to trade you. But ideally, we can make other moves, accomplish our goals and give you security long term.

It's just so damn hard to know what it means because it's nothing definitive other than SA has more flexibility (not accounting for the ability to trade Pau being gone) and that Pau has a say in where he plays guaranteed now.


At this point in his career, after all the shit he took in LA and Chicago, to have a team say, "We like you, and we want you to stay here longer"? That's got to feel good. I'm sure he'd like to retire here, rather than on some scrap heap team.

As for the flexibility - I think the Spurs have a deal waiting, and they know exactly how they plan to use it. Maybe it really is CP3. It may be as simple as George Hill and keeping Dedmon or Simmons, but I think they probably aren't just clearing space to go prospecting. They likely told Pau, "we need this much flexibility to do this".

[Mr. Body]

At this point in his career, after all the shit he took in LA and Chicago, to have a team say, "We like you, and we want you to stay here longer"? That's got to feel good. I'm sure he'd like to retire here, rather than on some scrap heap team.

As for the flexibility - I think the Spurs have a deal waiting, and they know exactly how they plan to use it. Maybe it really is CP3. It may be as simple as George Hill and keeping Dedmon or Simmons, but I think they probably aren't just clearing space to go prospecting. They likely told Pau, "we need this much flexibility to do this".

They most certainly have a tier of priorities and probably wanted to do this with Gasol all season. Paul is probably first and then they cascade to smaller targets, but I doubt anything is set in stone just yet.

[DPG21920]

I don't know. I mean, SA definitely has a plan and I do think they will balance the risk (meaning they won't trade LMA or TP or DG unless they get insane offer and/or they know they are getting their players).

With the opt out route (which was the only player of the four tradeable players that had that option) it helps no matter what they do.

[MultiTroll]

Spurs can still trade Pau before next seasons trade deadline.
So there's that.

[GSH]

I don't know. I mean, SA definitely has a plan and I do think they will balance the risk (meaning they won't trade LMA or TP or DG unless they get insane offer and/or they know they are getting their players).

With the opt out route (which was the only player of the four tradeable players that had that option) it helps no matter what they do.


Let's face it - bargain basement deals on star-caliber players just don't fall in your lap. I'm sure they are pursuing some of these big names floating around. But under all that, they know that it's usually plain vanilla that gets served. And they know exactly what that looks like.

If lightning struck, and some star wanted to come here on the cheap, for the honor of playing with Kawhi and for Pop? I'm sure they'd adapt. But I would still be that they have a pretty good idea of what they're likely doing this offseason.

[Uriel]

Relevant now that Pau Gasol has opted out. Excerpt from an article by Kevin Pelton on the cap maneuvering required to get Chris Paul.


If Paul picks San Antonio, and the Spurs pay him the max, clearing enough room under the salary cap to fit his $35.3 million salary will be tricky. Even if center Pau Gasol (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol) declines his $16.2 million player option for 2017-18 and the Spurs renounce all their other free agents -- a group including key reserves Manu Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili), Patty Mills (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills) and Jonathon Simmons (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons) -- they'd still have less than $23 million in projected cap space based on the NBA's current $101 million salary-cap projection.

San Antonio could waive Parker and stretch his $15.4 million 2017-18 salary over the next three seasons to get to $33.2 million in cap space. Giving Paul his max would also require trading young reserves Kyle Anderson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2993874/kyle-anderson), Davis Bertans (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6426/davis-bertans) and Dejounte Murray (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray) as well as this year's first-round pick (drafting a player who intends to remain overseas would also work), which would leave the Spurs with just three players under contract before signing Paul.

Alternatively, San Antonio could try to use draft picks to entice a team under the cap to take on Parker's entire $15.5 million salary, which under current projections would allow the Spurs to avoid trading any young players and to retain the rights to free agents Simmons and David Lee (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee) while still creating the necessary cap space.

[DPG21920]

Ya - we already all hashed that out on our own. SA isnt going to go the gut the team route. They will go the trade TP/DG or LMA route.

[TimDunkem]

Its the deepest draft in years every year. But yes, rubio sucks
Yeah I don't buy into that every year. Could be wrong this year but I'm feeling good about this draft. It's worth a shot nonetheless. Good young players on cheap contracts? I'll take that.

[DPG21920]

Let's face it - bargain basement deals on star-caliber players just don't fall in your lap. I'm sure they are pursuing some of these big names floating around. But under all that, they know that it's usually plain vanilla that gets served. And they know exactly what that looks like.

If lightning struck, and some star wanted to come here on the cheap, for the honor of playing with Kawhi and for Pop? I'm sure they'd adapt. But I would still be that they have a pretty good idea of what they're likely doing this offseason.

I agree they have a plan. I'm just saying that if SA trades DG or TP before the draft you can celebrate that SA got CP3.

[Uriel]

Ya - we already all hashed that out on our own. SA isnt going to go the gut the team route. They will go the trade TP/DG or LMA route.
Just posting the numbers so everyone's on the same page :)

[Uriel]

With Gasol at least temporarily off the books come July 1 — along with David Lee, who a league source said Tuesday is also planning to decline his $2.3 million option — the Spurs will enter free agency on the hook for about $76 million in guaranteed salary.

That puts the Spurs in position to begin free agency with as much as $24 million in cap space — enough to bolster the roster, though not quite enough for an All-NBA superstar like Paul.

In order to scrape together the $35.7 million needed to pay Paul or a similar maximum free agent next season, the Spurs would have to shed an additional $10 million or so in payroll.

Finding a trade partner for guard Danny Green would likely do the trick. So would waiving Tony Parker, the franchise point guard whose recovery from a devastating knee injury last month has cast an unexpected question mark over the Spurs’ offseason.http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/In-declining-option-Gasol-gives-Spurs-an-assist-11234165.php (http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/In-declining-option-Gasol-gives-Spurs-an-assist-11234165.php)

[DPG21920]

Just posting the numbers so everyone's on the same page :)

Oh sorry - not dogging you. Just saying that we already hashed it out and what he's writing is "technically" correct but highly unlikely.

[Vic Petro]

Yeah I don't buy into that every year. Could be wrong this year but I'm feeling good about this draft. It's worth a shot nonetheless. Good young players on cheap contracts? I'll take that.

I'd be pissed if they traded the pick but taking a stash guy doesn't exactly mean you're punting on a deep draft.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/In-declining-option-Gasol-gives-Spurs-an-assist-11234165.php (http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/In-declining-option-Gasol-gives-Spurs-an-assist-11234165.php)

Yeah it's $76m with the dead money in the amount and then if you keep Patty and JSimms it's an additional $8.5m.

You can save $10m this year by stretching Tony over 3 years since he has 1 year left. That puts you at $25m under the cap and the (early) Bird rights to go over the cap for Patty and Simmons.

Murray
Patty
Green
Simmons
Forbes
Leonard
Anderson
Bertans
Aldridge

That doesn't make CP3 viable unless he takes a discount but stretching Tony is the smartest if heartless move nonetheless.

[Uriel]

Yeah it's $76m with the dead money in the amount and then if you keep Patty and JSimms it's an additional $8.5m.

You can save $10m this year by stretching Tony over 3 years since he has 1 year left. That puts you at $25m under the cap and the (early) Bird rights to go over the cap for Patty and Simmons.

Murray
Patty
Green
Simmons
Forbes
Leonard
Anderson
Bertans
Aldridge

That doesn't make CP3 viable unless he takes a discount but stretching Tony is the smartest if heartless move nonetheless.
The Spurs will almost certainly renounce all of their free agents to make a run at Chris Paul.

[GSH]

I agree they have a plan. I'm just saying that if SA trades DG or TP before the draft you can celebrate that SA got CP3.


Oh for sure. If they've had good talks with CP3, and have an idea that he really would like to come here, they probably know exactly what they need to re-arrange to make it happen. And it sounds like Paul is more than just a pipe dream. But this talk about PG and Porzingis? The chance of landing one of those guys off a cold call is pretty close to zero. I don't think they would be making any kind of moves just to go speculating.

I said back in the RS that I expected Pau to opt out and sign for something like 3/$25M. And I thought Manu would play 1 more year for the vet min, which means he would get just under $2.4M, and only cost the Spurs half that. The last domino, IMO, is whether or not they waive and stretch Tony. I think they almost have to, because they can't afford that much cap, knowing that they will have to have someone to cover for at least half a season.

Bottom line, I expected all those things to happen no matter what they were up to this offseason. So far, this doesn't signal much, IMO.



The Spurs will almost certainly renounce all of their free agents to make a run at Chris Paul.

Yeah... I just don't think they renounce everyone like that, unless they're pretty sure they have Paul in the bag.

[DPG21920]

Yeah it's $76m with the dead money in the amount and then if you keep Patty and JSimms it's an additional $8.5m.

You can save $10m this year by stretching Tony over 3 years since he has 1 year left. That puts you at $25m under the cap and the (early) Bird rights to go over the cap for Patty and Simmons.

Murray
Patty
Green
Simmons
Forbes
Leonard
Anderson
Bertans
Aldridge

That doesn't make CP3 viable unless he takes a discount but stretching Tony is the smartest if heartless move nonetheless.

The smartest move by far is trading TP. That way he's off the books and not dead money for 2 more years at 5M per year. Accomplishes the same goal but with no longer term ramifications

[DPG21920]

Oh for sure. If they've had good talks with CP3, and have an idea that he really would like to come here, they probably know exactly what they need to re-arrange to make it happen. And it sounds like Paul is more than just a pipe dream. But this talk about PG and Porzingis? The chance of landing one of those guys off a cold call is pretty close to zero. I don't think they would be making any kind of moves just to go speculating.

I said back in the RS that I expected Pau to opt out and sign for something like 3/$25M. And I thought Manu would play 1 more year for the vet min, which means he would get just under $2.4M, and only cost the Spurs half that. The last domino, IMO, is whether or not they waive and stretch Tony. I think they almost have to, because they can't afford that much cap, knowing that they will have to have someone to cover for at least half a season.

Bottom line, I expected all those things to happen no matter what they were up to this offseason. So far, this doesn't signal much, IMO.

I agree. Nothing signaled at all which is what I meant with my original Pau/SA conversation. SA "could not" have spoken with CP yet because he's with LAC and that would be tampering.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Spurs will almost certainly renounce all of their free agents to make a run at Chris Paul.

They have to stretch Tony or trade someone else to make it work. The max amount for a 12 year vet is ~$36m.

[Uriel]

They have to stretch Tony or trade someone else to make it work. The max amount for a 12 year vet is ~$36m.
Right. I can't see the Spurs trading Tony though, if only because he's a franchise icon. All signs point to the Spurs salary dumping Danny Green as their next big move.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The smartest move by far is trading TP. That way he's off the books and not dead money for 2 more years at 5M per year. Accomplishes the same goal but with no longer term ramifications

Atlanta took Splitter for basically nothing but he was not hurt at that point. We would likely have to give assets to trade Tony because he isn't able to pass a physical right now and won't be ready for the opener. It's just a salary dump.

It's ideal but not very plausible IMO.

[AFBlue]

They have to stretch Tony or trade someone else to make it work. The max amount for a 12 year vet is ~$36m.

Assuming Paul takes full max, which may not be the case if he wants to win and field a competitive team.

And none of the players they're talking about are indispensable. I'd trade Danny in a heartbeat and let Patty/Simmons walk.

[GSH]

The smartest move by far is trading TP. That way he's off the books and not dead money for 2 more years at 5M per year. Accomplishes the same goal but with no longer term ramifications


So what do they have to give up to get someone to do that?

$10M in cap savings this year is a much bigger deal than a $5M hit will be in the next couple of years. I could see them giving up assets to get out of $15.5M in cap space, but the stretch option sure does make that harder to swallow.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Right. I can't see the Spurs trading Tony though, if only because he's a franchise icon. All signs point to the Spurs salary dumping Danny Green as their next big move.

What sign much less "all signs?"

[Uriel]

Not sure how reliable this is, but posting for what it's worth. Source is a Facebook page called San Antonio Spurs Talk.


Word is [Gasol's] going to take the 15 million he would make next year and spread it over the next three years. So about 5 mill per year

[AFBlue]

So what do they have to give up to get someone to do that?

$10M in cap savings this year is a much bigger deal than a $5M hit will be in the next couple of years. I could see them giving up assets to get out of $15.5M in cap space, but the stretch option sure does make that harder to swallow.

Isn't trading Danny much more likely? He's a much better value for teams looking to acquire talent.

[DPG21920]

Atlanta took Splitter for basically nothing but he was not hurt at that point. We would likely have to give assets to trade Tony because he isn't able to pass a physical right now and won't be ready for the opener. It's just a salary dump.

It's ideal but not very plausible IMO.

Sure, but even having to give up a pick to trade TP (the team getting him won't care about his injury since they will likely have cap room they are just sitting on anyways) is better than stretching him.

We see these moves all the time where teams use their space to get picks by taking on bad deals/helping teams shed salary.

That late first is typically purchased for cash for about 3M. SA would essentially be selling it for 10M + more flexibility.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Assuming Paul takes full max, which may not be the case if he wants to win and field a competitive team.

And none of the players they're talking about are indispensable. I'd trade Danny in a heartbeat and let Patty/Simmons walk.

Then you are completely against the cap with no starter at the 2 or 5 and no big man depth. The room cap exception is garbage.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sure, but even having to give up a pick to trade TP (the team getting him won't care about his injury since they will likely have cap room they are just sitting on anyways) is better than stretching him.

We see these moves all the time where teams use their space to get picks by taking on bad deals/helping teams shed salary.

That late first is typically purchased for cash for about 3M. SA would essentially be selling it for 10M + more flexibility.

IOW a late first is not worth eating that.

[DPG21920]

Assuming Paul takes full max, which may not be the case if he wants to win and field a competitive team.

And none of the players they're talking about are indispensable. I'd trade Danny in a heartbeat and let Patty/Simmons walk.

That is just a wildly innefficent way to do this.

You can pay Pau 8M, let Lee (who could re-sign for min later), Manu (who could re-sign for min later), Mills & Dedmon go and trade TP and have all the money you need for CP3 + get to keep Simmons and Danny.

[Uriel]

What sign much less "all signs?"
Gasol and Lee opting out. Reports of a strong mutual interest between Spurs and CP3. And the difficulty of dumping Parker unless we attach the 29th pick, not to mention, the uproar that would be caused by dumping a franchise PG. I could be wrong, of course. I just don't see the Spurs operating that way.

Dumping Green then to make a run at CP3 is the most logical move to make.

[DPG21920]

IOW a late first is not worth eating that.

Trust me, teams do this types of deals. If SA wanted to move TP the 29th pick IMO would be more than enough. The team getting him would like have a salary floor they need to hit anyways so they are paying that money regardless and they are getting a first round pick.

[Ice009]

Yeah it's $76m with the dead money in the amount and then if you keep Patty and JSimms it's an additional $8.5m.

You can save $10m this year by stretching Tony over 3 years since he has 1 year left.


What does stretching in regards to the player being able to play do? Can TP still play for the Spurs or any other team that season? How does that work?

[DPG21920]

So what do they have to give up to get someone to do that?

$10M in cap savings this year is a much bigger deal than a $5M hit will be in the next couple of years. I could see them giving up assets to get out of $15.5M in cap space, but the stretch option sure does make that harder to swallow.

The only benefit of the stretch provision is that no other team is required to say "yes" to make it happen. IMO, the 29th pick to a team like say BKY would be more than enough to dump TP if SA were so inclined.

BKY has 30M in cap space, will attract no major FA and has a salary floor to hit.

[GSH]

SA "could not" have spoken with CP yet because he's with LAC and that would be tampering.


They could talk to him with the Clippers permission. If LAC feels pretty sure that Paul is going to exercise his ETO, they might let someone like the Spurs talk to him early with the understanding that they throw them a second rounder or something. Get something out of it, anyway.

Right now, my biggest argument against the Spurs getting CP3 is Jerry West. I could write a page about why, but you know. I guarantee you he's selling Paul on how great it's going to be there.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What does stretching in regards to the player being able to play do? Can TP still play for the Spurs or any other team that season? How does that work?

Double the number of years left on the deal and add 1. He has 1 year left so its stretched over 3 years. Just prorate it ie $5.16m per year.

[DPG21920]

Not sure how reliable this is, but posting for what it's worth. Source is a Facebook page called San Antonio Spurs Talk.

This likely stems from Paul Garcia's cap video where he makes the assumptions (8M over 2 years or 5M over 3 = to Pau's money now) for the sake of exploring SA's cap situation.

[AFBlue]

Then you are completely against the cap with no starter at the 2 or 5 and no big man depth. The room cap exception is garbage.

They found Simmons in the D-League, Patty for the min, Lee for the vet min, Dedmon with the room exception.

This front office is nails at finding undervalued talent and the staff is masterful at getting the most out of them.

I'm not worried about the Spurs filling out their roster with guys who can be successful. Bigger roles for Murray, Forbes (if retained) and Bertans should be expected regardless. Add guys like Hanga, vets that play for min to get rings, etc.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Trust me, teams do this types of deals. If SA wanted to move TP the 29th pick IMO would be more than enough. The team getting him would like have a salary floor they need to hit anyways so they are paying that money regardless and they are getting a first round pick.

I don't trust you. If you would like to give examples of teams doing it in the past but I am not just going to assume you are correct.

[AFBlue]

Gasol and Lee opting out. Reports of a strong mutual interest between Spurs and CP3. And the difficulty of dumping Parker unless we attach the 29th pick, not to mention, the uproar that would be caused by dumping a franchise PG. I could be wrong, of course. I just don't see the Spurs operating that way.

Dumping Green then to make a run at CP3 is the most logical move to make.

This.

[DPG21920]

They could talk to him with the Clippers permission. If LAC feels pretty sure that Paul is going to exercise his ETO, they might let someone like the Spurs talk to him early with the understanding that they throw them a second rounder or something. Get something out of it, anyway.

Right now, my biggest argument against the Spurs getting CP3 is Jerry West. I could write a page about why, but you know. I guarantee you he's selling Paul on how great it's going to be there.

I agree - I'm saying Im pretty sure we would know if SA had permission to talk to CP before FA. It is so highly unlikely I'm not really willing to entertain it :lol

[Uriel]

Then you are completely against the cap with no starter at the 2 or 5 and no big man depth. The room cap exception is garbage.

That is just a wildly innefficent way to do this.

You can pay Pau 8M, let Lee (who could re-sign for min later), Manu (who could re-sign for min later), Mills & Dedmon go and trade TP and have all the money you need for CP3 + get to keep Simmons and Danny.
Say we dump Green and renounce all our free agents. Then use the max to sign Chris Paul. Wouldn't we then be able to bring back Gasol for the mini-MLE and fill the hole at SG with ring-chasing veterans at minimum contracts?

[DPG21920]

I don't trust you. If you would like to give examples of teams doing it in the past but I am not just going to assume you are correct.

You don't have to trust me. You are just foolish and stubborn not to. Especially when I gave you a very specific example of a team that would have incentive (and why they have incentive) to do it.

Look up previous trades if you want.

[GSH]

The only benefit of the stretch provision is that no other team is required to say "yes" to make it happen. IMO, the 29th pick to a team like say BKY would be more than enough to dump TP if SA were so inclined.

BKY has 30M in cap space, will attract no major FA and has a salary floor to hit.

Oh, I think it's enough for Brooklyn. I think it's too steep for the Spurs, when they could stretch. Obviously you don't see it that way, but it makes me queasy giving up first round picks to dump an extra $5m.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They found Simmons in the D-League, Patty for the min, Lee for the vet min, Dedmon with the room exception.

This front office is nails at finding undervalued talent and the staff is masterful at getting the most out of them.

I'm not worried about the Spurs filling out their roster with guys who can be successful. Bigger roles for Murray, Forbes (if retained) and Bertans should be expected regardless. Add guys like Hanga, vets that play for min to get rings, etc.

Dedmon started and was ultimately benched. The other guys did not start and they took time to develop.

We currently have a gaping hole at the 5 and trading Green leaves a gaping hole at the 2.

[DPG21920]

Gasol and Lee opting out. Reports of a strong mutual interest between Spurs and CP3. And the difficulty of dumping Parker unless we attach the 29th pick, not to mention, the uproar that would be caused by dumping a franchise PG. I could be wrong, of course. I just don't see the Spurs operating that way.

Dumping Green then to make a run at CP3 is the most logical move to make.

Look, I don't think it's any less of a "hit" by stretching TP vs trading him. Either way he's off the team :lol

[BillMc]

Better than Deadman</3, tbh....

Thanks for sacrificing that money for the good of the team, MVPau :worthy:
This

[AFBlue]

Dedmon started and was ultimately benched. The other guys did not start and they took time to develop.

We currently have a gaping hole at the 5 and trading Green leaves a gaping hole at the 2.

Next to three all-star/all-NBA type players. They'll be alright.

[DPG21920]

Oh, I think it's enough for Brooklyn. I think it's too steep for the Spurs, when they could stretch. Obviously you don't see it that way, but it makes me queasy giving up first round picks to dump an extra $5m.

It would be the difference in keeping Simmons maybe + not having any dead money for 2 years. To me, that is worth the 29th pick and CP3

[Uriel]

Look, I don't think it's any less of a "hit" by stretching TP vs trading him. Either way he's off the team :lol
I agree that the smartest and most efficient way to go about this is to get rid of TP. But I just don't see the Spurs making that move.

[AFBlue]

Look, I don't think it's any less of a "hit" by stretching TP vs trading him. Either way he's off the team :lol

Not gonna happen. No way they will trade Tony when they have a role player available for trade that can clear close to the same amount of cap space.

[DPG21920]

Say we dump Green and renounce all our free agents. Then use the max to sign Chris Paul. Wouldn't we then be able to bring back Gasol for the mini-MLE and fill the hole at SG with ring-chasing veterans at minimum contracts?

Yes. But why? I mean, SA might go that way, but if you move TP, you can keep Danny & Simmons. We also have to operate under two assumptions: Pau wants at least 5-8M & CP wants Max at 35M.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You don't have to trust me. You are just foolish and stubborn not to. Especially when I gave you a very specific example of a team that would have incentive (and why they have incentive) to do it.

Look up previous trades if you want.

I am not going to take a significant claim like that on an assertion and I certainly am not going to prove your assertion for you.

If it was so common you should be able to think of past examples.

What's foolish is taking a significant claim without seeing significant proof.

I don't buy Brooklyn at all. Your assertion that they cannot get FA to play there is specious. They may have to overpay but they can make two $8m offers who are more likely to contribute than the 29th pick where the hit rate is garbage. They also could try for a better offer to take on salary.

You said yourself that late firsts are worth 1/5th of that.

[DPG21920]

Not gonna happen. No way they will trade Tony when they have a role player available for trade that can clear close to the same amount of cap space.

He can't though. Danny clears 5M less than TP which is a big deal. Im not saying SA will trade TP, I'm just saying that it's sub optimal

[DPG21920]

I am not going to take a significant claim like that on an assertion and I certainly am not going to prove your assertion for you.

If it was so common you should be able to think of past examples.

What's foolish is taking a significant claim without seeing significant proof.

I don't buy Brooklyn at all. Your assertion that they cannot get FA to play there is specious. They may have to overpay but they can make two $8m offers who are more likely to contribute than the 29th pick where the hit rate is garbage. They also could try for a better offer to take on salary.

You said yourself that late firsts are worth 1/5th of that.

Ok. You know everything about every subject and I just make things up all the time and no one here thinks I know anything.

Congrats you win.....something?

[TimDunkem]

Sometimes, the most optimal option is not the one you're left with. TP is a Spurs legend and won't be waived or traded whether he sucks or not and regardless of how much cap space he holds.

[Mr. Body]

Sometimes, the most optimal option is not the one you're left with. TP is a Spurs legend and won't be waived or traded whether he sucks or not and regardless of how much cap space he holds.

This. Parker is going nowhere. Period.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok. You know everything about every subject and I just make things up all the time and no one here thinks I know anything.

Congrats you win.....something?

I never said I know everything and you should consider that comment with some introspection seeing that you are the one making the claim.

I know that late round picks are worth a few million and you are telling me that a team will take 5 times that much in cap space for one. Prima facie it's absurd. Cap space is more valuable than cash.

Further you are claiming it is common yet you cannot think of a single example. Then you put it on me to prove it for you. You don't get presumption. Deal with it.

[Uriel]

He can't though. Danny clears 5M less than TP which is a big deal. Im not saying SA will trade TP, I'm just saying that it's sub optimal
Sorry, but could you please clarify? How exactly does getting rid of TP instead of Green allow us to bring back Simmons? Because we wouldn't have to renounce his cap hold so we could bring him back using the Arenas rule?

[TimDunkem]

Also, what happens when a team inevitably offers Simmons a huge contract right away? How could the Spurs match and still get CP3?

[Uriel]

I never said I know everything and you should consider that comment with some introspection seeing that you are the one making the claim.

I know that late round picks are worth a few million and you are telling me that a team will take 5 times that much in cap space for one. Prima facie it's absurd. Cap space is more valuable than cash.

Further you are claiming it is common yet you cannot think of a single example. Then you put it on me to prove it for you. You don't get presumption. Deal with it.
Not exactly the same situation, but I seem to recall the Warriors taking on Richard Jefferson's contract in exchange for our 29th pick?

[DPG21920]

I never said I know everything and you should consider that comment with some introspection seeing that you are the one making the claim.

I know that late round picks are worth a few million and you are telling me that a team will take 5 times that much in cap space for one. Prima facie it's absurd. Cap space is more valuable than cash.

Further you are claiming it is common yet you cannot think of a single example. Then you put it on me to prove it for you. You don't get presumption. Deal with it.

:lol

[DPG21920]

Also, what happens when a team inevitably offers Simmons a huge contract right away? How could the Spurs match and still get CP3?

Spurs are only on the clock with Simmons once he signs. One would hope that he would not rush out and take an offer immediately.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sometimes, the most optimal option is not the one you're left with. TP is a Spurs legend and won't be waived or traded whether he sucks or not and regardless of how much cap space he holds.

I'm sorry but it is a business and the reality is that Parker has been overpaid for a few years now at his salary given his production. Given that he is going to miss at least half the season the smart business move is to try and use that cap space more efficiently.

This is not a situation where he was an underpaid superstar who got hurt. His skills have diminished severely and they are not screwing him over in the least if they cut him or trade him.

It's a hard decision but it's the optimal one to make.

[DPG21920]

Sorry, but could you please clarify? How exactly does getting rid of TP instead of Green allow us to bring back Simmons? Because we wouldn't have to renounce his cap hold so we could bring him back using the Arenas rule?

Exactly.

[BillMc]

Now.....RC.....Salary Dump Parker and your journey to my good side will be complete.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HjMILwTcLsQ/maxresdefault.jpg
:lol

[TimDunkem]

I'm sorry but it is a business and the reality is that Parker has been overpaid for a few years now at his salary given his production. Given that he is going to miss at least half the season the smart business move is to try and use that cap space more efficiently.

This is not a situation where he was an underpaid superstar who got hurt. His skills have diminished severely and they are not screwing him over in the least if they cut him or trade him.

It's a hard decision but it's the optimal one to make.I'm not saying it isn't optimal. I'm saying it's not likely the one they're actively pursuing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not exactly the same situation, but I seem to recall the Warriors taking on Richard Jefferson's contract in exchange for our 29th pick?

They traded Stephen Jackson for Dick who was making $10m that year. The benefit was that Jackson's deal was shorter but that is not an analogous situation at all.

Plus Dick could still play.

[DPG21920]

I guess Woj and others are just dummies and since they didn't cite, on command any examples, it means what they said is false:

http://thehoopdoctors.com/2017/05/brooklyn-nets-willing-to-absorb-bad-contracts-via-trade-for-draft-picks-and-prospects/