Woj: CP3 traded to the Rockets

[DAF86]

The fact you get so riled up and triggered factors into it tbh. Just looking out for you man :lol

Oh look, more faggotry :lol

[ambchang]

Well then, apparently he didn't need to be one. So that still makes you wrong.

Did they win a championship?

[DAF86]

Did they win a championship?

No, they got better.

[ambchang]

No, they got better.

How’d you know? The playoffs hasn’t even started and it’s pretty clear that I was talking about the playoffs.

And :lol you got one thing wrong so you are still wrong argument on predictive things, then claiming victory when the playoffs haven’t even started.

Btw, where’s hindsight boy? Busy digging up old posts that he had no stake in, then claiming victory?

[DAF86]

How’d you know? The playoffs hasn’t even started and it’s pretty clear that I was talking about the playoffs.

And :lol you got one thing wrong so you are still wrong argument on predictive things, then claiming victory when the playoffs haven’t even started.

Btw, where’s hindsight boy? Busy digging up old posts that he had no stake in, then claiming victory?

Because of the way they are playing, their record and their stats.

[Clipper Nation]

Because of the way they are playing, their record and their stats.
Sounds exactly like almost every year of the Frauden era in Houston. The only difference this year is that the West is a total joke outside of GSW, so the Rockets are getting to pad their regular-season win total more than usual. But remind me again how it's translated to the playoffs?

[DAF86]

Sounds exactly like almost every year of the Frauden era in Houston. The only difference this year is that the West is a total joke outside of GSW, so the Rockets are getting to pad their regular-season win total more than usual. But remind me again how it's translated to the playoffs?

To me it doesn't matter how it translates to the playoffs. In fact, I already said that there is a huge question mark regarding that because Harden has a choking reputation and Paul is never healthy come that time. But that is not the point of the argument. The point of the argument is that the Rockets are a substantially better team than last season, possible playoff choke notwithstanding.

[ambchang]

Because of the way they are playing, their record and their stats.

Even though I explicitly said that they’re going to be better in the regular season but not in the playoffs so way to go

[DAF86]

Even though I explicitly said that they’re going to be better in the regular season but not in the playoffs so way to go

They will probably be better in the playoffs though.

[ambchang]

They will probably be better in the playoffs though.

Way to claim victory on probably.

[dfens]

raptors, rockets, old suns, the same pretender shit tbh. chucker teams who choke when they stop being hot, with unidimensional stars that can't figure it out without "their" move, called "great" by casual fans or by delusional embittered stans waiting for their team to finally be relevant. todays nba smh, looks like the fucking 80s western conference :lol

basketball has really sold out, good chance that we got a world cup this year

[DAF86]

Way to claim victory on probably.

As a team They are better now.

[LkrFan]

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This is an interesting observation of how to defend CP0

[ambchang]

As a team They are better now.

So?

[sook]

So?

I've been arguing with him but ngl you're as dense as they come. Feel bad for the people dealing with you irl :lol

[UZER]

The spurs just never match physical intensity. They are always getting pushed around. Pathetic.

Edit : oops wrong thread :lol

[LkrFan]

I've been arguing with him but ngl you're as dense as they come. Feel bad for the people dealing with you irl :lol

:lol

[ambchang]

I've been arguing with him but ngl you're as dense as they come. Feel bad for the people dealing with you irl :lol

When you points are “you so stupid”, then it really is showing how stupid you are, really. Try to go out and buy a point sometime.

[AlexJones]

Really hoping Raptors/Rockets will be the Final just to see the narratives die off for good

[daslicer]

Really hoping Raptors/Rockets will be the Final just to see the narratives die off for good

A non Warriors/Cavs finals would be great.

[AlexJones]

I'll be happy with Warriors vs Raptors even though it'll be a destruction.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I’d take the Cavs vs Rockets. No more GSW please.

[AlexJones]

Can't believe niggas actually thought this wasn't a genius move, tbh

[AlexJones]

CP3>Westbrook. It's not even close

[LkrFan]

What kind of shit is this Clipper Nation?

981405882503266305

No wonder CP0 left! :lmao

[ambchang]

No, they got better.

Bump, they got better all right, not because of CP3 though. Harden stepped up, I give him credit for that. But CP3 was the only starter who had a negative +/-, generally stunk up the joint.

It took a monstrous game from Harden, an equally chokey job from KAT for the 1st seed to barely squeak out a 3 point lead over the 8th seed W:lollves.

This is the type of game that I was referring to precisely, where CP3 will just shit the bed and make the Clippers worse than they are.

[DAF86]

Bump, they got better all right, not because of CP3 though. Harden stepped up, I give him credit for that. But CP3 was the only starter who had a negative +/-, generally stunk up the joint.

It took a monstrous game from Harden, an equally chokey job from KAT for the 1st seed to barely squeak out a 3 point lead over the 8th seed W:lollves.

This is the type of game that I was referring to precisely, where CP3 will just shit the bed and make the Clippers worse than they are.

Way to blow your load after one game. What will you do if Paul has a good second game? :lol

Anyway, one of the arguments the "anti-CP3 to Rockets" crew gave was that Paul was going to interfere with Harden's game. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

What will you do if Paul has a good second game? :lol

:lol CP0 is a "superstar" playing on a "title contender." He's supposed to have good games against the 8th seed. There shouldn't even be an "if" in that sentence.

[ambchang]

Way to blow your load after one game. What will you do if Paul has a good second game? :lol

Anyway, one of the arguments the "anti-CP3 to Rockets" crew gave was that Paul was going to interfere with Harden's game. :lol

CP3 isn't going to have bad games every time, but he will have bad games that will cost the Rockets against good teams.

The issue wasn't CP3 interfering with Beard either, it's that they can't both be effective because both are best when they got the ball. Little has chagned.

[DAF86]

CP3 isn't going to have bad games every time, but he will have bad games that will cost the Rockets against good teams.

The issue wasn't CP3 interfering with Beard either, it's that they can't both be effective because both are best when they got the ball. Little has chagned.

Well, they have both been pretty effective this season, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Well, they have both been pretty effective this season, tbh.
The real season has started and CP0 is looking awful so far.

Now, the good news for CP0 fluffers is that it's only one game and the Wolves still suck. CP0 should still have three nice stat-padding performances against the 8th seed in the first round for you guys to celebrate.

[ambchang]

Well, they have both been pretty effective this season, tbh.

The Rockets went from 2nd in offensive rating last year to ..... 2nd in offensive rating this year! Paul is awesome!

Most of their improvement came from the defensive end, which is due more to Capella than anybody else.

Besides, the entire premise is the playoffs. Harden has been excellent for years in the regular season, the hump Rockets have to get through is the playoffs. Paul was supposedly acquired for just that, not for regular season championships.

[DAF86]

The Rockets went from 2nd in offensive rating last year to ..... 2nd in offensive rating this year! Paul is awesome!

Most of their improvement came from the defensive end, which is due more to Capella than anybody else.

Besides, the entire premise is the playoffs. Harden has been excellent for years in the regular season, the hump Rockets have to get through is the playoffs. Paul was supposedly acquired for just that, not for regular season championships.

Last year: 111.8
This year: 112.2

Improvement, tbh. Folks here were saying the move would make them worse.

[Clipper Nation]

Basketball Reference says they had an offensive rating of 114.7 last year and an offensive rating of... 114.7 this year. So no improvement at all.

[monosylab1k]

Last year: 111.8
This year: 112.2

Improvement, tbh. Folks here were saying the move would make them worse.

Twice as many teams were blatantly tanking in the West all season. Every team’s numbers got boosted from that.

[spurraider21]

Basketball Reference says they had an offensive rating of 114.7 last year and an offensive rating of... 114.7 this year. So no improvement at all.
thanks for dispelling the myth that CP3 wouldn't fit and would bog their offense down because of how ball dominant he is.

now tell me, how about their defensive rating?

[ambchang]

Last year: 111.8
This year: 112.2

Improvement, tbh. Folks here were saying the move would make them worse.

Holy shit! 0.4 ppg. CP3 is a first ballot HoFer for sure.

And who said worse?

[DAF86]

Holy shit! 0.4 ppg. CP3 is a first ballot HoFer for sure.

And who said worse?

Many folks.

[ambchang]

Many folks.

Like who? How many folks said CP3 will make them so much better!!!!

[DAF86]

Like who? How many folks said CP3 will make them so much better!!!!

Just re-read this thread, tbh.

[AlexJones]

This thread and the D'antoni signing.. not ST's greatest moment

[ambchang]

Just re-read this thread, tbh.

Great. That’s why you called me out for something different. Great logic.

Hey, many people were wrong so I will pick an argument with the guy who isn’t.

[RsxPiimp]

Great. That’s why you called me out for something different. Great logic.

Hey, many people were wrong so I will pick an argument with the guy who isn’t.

you deal in absolutes, so that’s why you’re an easy target tbh:lol

[DAF86]

Great. That’s why you called me out for something different. Great logic.

Hey, many people were wrong so I will pick an argument with the guy who isn’t.

You were also wrong, tbh. :lol

[ambchang]

you deal in absolutes, so that’s why you’re an easy target tbh:lol

You don't have a stance, so that's why you are a nobody.


You were also wrong, tbh. :lol

That CP3 didn't make the Rockets better? How was I wrong? Did he make the Rockets better?

[RsxPiimp]

a somebody in the internet


:lmao oh boy

[ambchang]

a somebody in the internet


:lmao oh boy

For someone who claims other deals in absolutes.

You being a nobody anywhere doesn't mean that I am a somebody on the internets.

If being a somebody on the internets is :lmao (I agree), then imagine what a nobody on the internets is.

[DAF86]

That CP3 didn't make the Rockets better? How was I wrong? Did he make the Rockets better?

Yes, that's exactly where you were wrong, tbh. :lol

[ambchang]

Yes, that's exactly where you were wrong, tbh. :lol

Going from 2nd in ortg to 2nd in ortg. Awesome improvement.

[DAF86]

Going from 2nd in ortg to 2nd in ortg. Awesome improvement.

Going from 4th best team to best team. History defining improvement.

[ambchang]

Going from 4th best team to best team. History defining improvement.

:lol GSW foot off the gas and spurs aging plus injuries had a lot more to do with it. 65 wins sounds good until you realize half the league is tanking and that the spurs won 67 last year with a so so roster against stronger competition.

[DAF86]

:lol GSW foot off the gas and spurs aging plus injuries had a lot more to do with it. 65 wins sounds good until you realize half the league is tanking and that the spurs won 67 last year with a so so roster against stronger competition.

Bunch of argumentative gimnastics just to don't acknowledge the evident fact that the Rockets are a better team with Paul. You can keep going, I'm just gonna rest on the fact that everybody knows this to be true

[ambchang]

Bunch of argumentative gimnastics just to don't acknowledge the evident fact that the Rockets are a better team with Paul. You can keep going, I'm just gonna rest on the fact that everybody knows this to be true

So is everybody going to start arguing with s lot of people now?

:lol still can’t understand records are relative.
:lol not understanding the 72 win bulls are massively overrated just because of that number as there were two expansion teams that year to dillute the talent.

[dfens]

Bunch of argumentative gimnastics just to don't acknowledge the evident fact that the Rockets are a better team with Paul. You can keep going, I'm just gonna rest on the fact that everybody knows this to be true

son they aren't ringing, we all know the choke is coming tbh

[DAF86]

son they aren't ringing, we all know the choke is coming tbh

So? that doesn't mean the Rockets aren't a better team than last year.

[DAF86]

So is everybody going to start arguing with s lot of people now?

:lol still can’t understand records are relative.
:lol not understanding the 72 win bulls are massively overrated just because of that number as there were two expansion teams that year to dillute the talent.

Record, seeding, off rating, def rating, net rating. By any standard the Rockets are a better team than last year.

":cry b...b-b....but they only improved a little on offense. :cry"

[ambchang]

Record, seeding, off rating, def rating, net rating. By any standard the Rockets are a better team than last year.

":cry b...b-b....but they only improved a little on offense. :cry"

The hell are you talking about?
Orating this year, 2nd in the league, 114.7
Orating last year, 2nd in the league, 114.7

Drating is due to the change in defensive changes and Capella improvement. CP3 is about average on the team in Drating.

The Rockets improved more around Capella's improvement than anything else. The record got better due to wide-spread tanking and GSW having the foot off gas.

It is almost hilarious that you would attribute the defensive improvement of the Rockets to CP3, when he was at best average this year on the Rockets.

[DAF86]

The hell are you talking about?
Orating this year, 2nd in the league, 114.7
Orating last year, 2nd in the league, 114.7

Drating is due to the change in defensive changes and Capella improvement. CP3 is about average on the team in Drating.

The Rockets improved more around Capella's improvement than anything else. The record got better due to wide-spread tanking and GSW having the foot off gas.

It is almost hilarious that you would attribute the defensive improvement of the Rockets to CP3, when he was at best average this year on the Rockets.

Rockets could win the championship and you would still be here twisting and spinning your way around your shitty take, DMC style. :lol

":cry Rockets got better but it's not because they added a top 10 player in the league without losing any significant piece, is only because of Capella :cry"

[Bill_Brasky]

:lol GSW foot off the gas and spurs aging plus injuries had a lot more to do with it. 65 wins sounds good until you realize half the league is tanking and that the spurs won 67 last year with a so so roster against stronger competition.

Spurs only won 61 games last year....

[JamStone]

Can’t discredit 65 wins even if a lot of teams were tanking when no other team in the entire league won even 60. If the league is tanking all over the place, then there should be at least a couple more teams that are contending with inflated 60+ win seasons. And it’s not like all the other good teams dealt with injuries and Houston was completely healthy all season. Rockets core players missed a shit ton of games too. Their top 6 players missed a combined total of 86 games this season.

Maybe the league was tanking hard this season. But the best record by 6 games means no other team took as much advantage of it than Houston. Deserves credit. Deserves respect.

[ambchang]

Rockets could win the championship and you would still be here twisting and spinning your way around your shitty take, DMC style. :lol

":cry Rockets got better but it's not because they added a top 10 player in the league without losing any significant piece, is only because of Capella :cry"

So are they better in every metric?

[DAF86]

So are they better in every metric?

I didn't check every single metric but yeah, in every important one they are. Many sites have this season's Rockets with a better off rating than last season.

And regardless of that, the point always was Rockets with Paul > Rockets without Paul. Isn't this the case? Aren't the Rockets better this season, with Paul, than last season, without him?

[140]

CP0 has the exact same Ortg as last year, and a worst OBPM :lol Harden meanwhile has improved in both and so has Capela in a big way tbh...if the rockets really are improved they are the ones who deserve the most credit

[DAF86]

Playoffs Harden went 2-18 but luckily for the Rockets they have another top 10 guy to rely on now. No longer it is Harden or bust. But yeah, the Paul move didn't make them better. :lol

[midnightpulp]

CP0 has the exact same Ortg as last year, and a worst OBPM :lol Harden meanwhile has improved in both and so has Capela in a big way tbh...if the rockets really are improved they are the ones who deserve the most credit

Paul sets them up pretty well. Capela is like the roll man king this season, and a lot of that is due to CP3. He's still the best pure PG in the league...in the regular season and Round 1. I was skeptical of how him and Harden would co-exist, since both of them are ball dominant, but it still was a sensible low risk/super high reward gamble. Houston was going nowhere again without change.

That said, Paul has yet to prove shit, and is nowhere near shedding the choker label.

[monosylab1k]

Playoffs Harden went 2-18 but luckily for the Rockets they have another top 10 guy to rely on now. No longer it is Harden or bust. But yeah, the Paul move didn't make them better. :lol

We have no idea if the Rockets are better now. We’ll see over the next few weeks.

Or are you arguing that 2007 Mavs > 2011 Mavs because of win totals and metrics?

[DAF86]

We have no idea if the Rockets are better now. We’ll see over the next few weeks.

Or are you arguing that 2007 Mavs > 2011 Mavs because of win totals and metrics?

'11 Mavs had Dirk injured for a big part of the season if I recall correctly, that deflated your record and metrics. Also, 2011 Mavs run was very unique and unprecedented. Heck, 2007 Mavs were also like that. There's a very strong posibility that if in 2007 the Mavs would have got a different matchup in round 1, they would have gone all the way.

[gambit1990]

Playoffs Harden went 2-18 but luckily for the Rockets they have another top 10 guy to rely on now. No longer it is Harden or bust. But yeah, the Paul move didn't make them better. :lol

[gambit1990]

'11 Mavs had Dirk injured for a big part of the season if I recall correctly, that deflated your record and metrics. Also, 2011 Mavs run was very unique and unprecedented. Heck, 2007 Mavs were also like that. There's a very strong posibility that if in 2007 the Mavs would have got a different matchup in round 1, they would have gone all the way.
:tu

[monosylab1k]

'11 Mavs had Dirk injured for a big part of the season if I recall correctly, that deflated your record and metrics. Also, 2011 Mavs run was very unique and unprecedented. Heck, 2007 Mavs were also like that. There's a very strong posibility that if in 2007 the Mavs would have got a different matchup in round 1, they would have gone all the way.

2007 Mavs were choking regardless of the round. If it wasn’t GS, they would have lost to SA, Phoenix, or Utah without a doubt.

[Fabbs]

2007 Mavs were choking regardless of the round. If it wasn’t GS, they would have lost to SA, Phoenix, or Utah without a doubt.
monoslob keeping it real. :tu

[gambit1990]

wrong thread.

[ambchang]

I didn't check every single metric but yeah, in every important one they are. Many sites have this season's Rockets with a better off rating than last season.

And regardless of that, the point always was Rockets with Paul > Rockets without Paul. Isn't this the case? Aren't the Rockets better this season, with Paul, than last season, without him?

The season isn't even over.

[ambchang]

Playoffs Harden went 2-18 but luckily for the Rockets they have another top 10 guy to rely on now. No longer it is Harden or bust. But yeah, the Paul move didn't make them better. :lol

Capela and Green actually led the Rockets in +/-

[ambchang]

Can’t discredit 65 wins even if a lot of teams were tanking when no other team in the entire league won even 60. If the league is tanking all over the place, then there should be at least a couple more teams that are contending with inflated 60+ win seasons. And it’s not like all the other good teams dealt with injuries and Houston was completely healthy all season. Rockets core players missed a shit ton of games too. Their top 6 players missed a combined total of 86 games this season.

Maybe the league was tanking hard this season. But the best record by 6 games means no other team took as much advantage of it than Houston. Deserves credit. Deserves respect.

Didn't say I don't respect them, but to say that they are better than last year because of the record is incorrect logic.

[DAF86]

Capela and Green actually led the Rockets in +/-

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[ambchang]

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Didn't they?

I give it that CP3 led the team in Game 2, just like he shat the bed in Game 1. There will be more Game 1s and the Rockets will be toast then.

[DAF86]

Didn't they?

I give it that CP3 led the team in Game 2, just like he shat the bed in Game 1. There will be more Game 1s and the Rockets will be toast then.

Well, maybe that's where Harden steps up. The advantage of having two top ten players, tbh.

[ambchang]

Well, maybe that's where Harden steps up. The advantage of having two top ten players, tbh.

Who both had a history of choking. Still remains to be seen where they can be better with both of them dominating he ball.

[DAF86]

Who both had a history of choking. Still remains to be seen where they can be better with both of them dominating he ball.

Regardless of playoffs choking or not, we have already seen thoughtout the season that that wasn't a problem. If the Rockets fail in the playoffs it won't be because of lack of adaptability by the Harden-Paul duo, tbh.

[ambchang]

Regardless of playoffs choking or not, we have already seen thoughtout the season that that wasn't a problem. If the Rockets fail in the playoffs it won't be because of lack of adaptability by the Harden-Paul duo, tbh.

What will it be then?

[DAF86]

What will it be then?

Them choking or, more likely, Golden State just being better.

[ambchang]

Them choking or, more likely, Golden State just being better.

Then choking has always been the issue. The purpose of having CP3 is such that they won’t choke by having two top ten players like you said. So if they lost due to choking then they didn’t get better.

How can GSW be better. They won less regular season games.

[DAF86]

Still thinking CP3 didn't make the Rockets better?

[sook]

Still thinking CP3 didn't make the Rockets better?

...or that he's a choker :lol

The only person that's had a more clutch performance than that this post season is Lebron. I'll give him props. CP3 hit shot after shot after shot in the last 2 4th quarters apparently Harden has had the flu.

[DAF86]

...or that he's a choker :lol

The only person that's had a more clutch performance than that this post season is Lebron. I'll give him props. CP3 hit shot after shot after shot in the last 2 4th quarters apparently Harden has had the flu.

Series would still be alive right now if CP3 wasn't on the Rockets, but somehow he hasn't made the team better.

[DAF86]

Then choking has always been the issue. The purpose of having CP3 is such that they won’t choke by having two top ten players like you said. So if they lost due to choking then they didn’t get better.

How can GSW be better. They won less regular season games.

So that's something we have seen multiple times this postseason (one top 10 guy stepping up when the other wasn't feeling it). Are you finally convinced that Paul has made the Rockets better?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Remember when TP and CP3 could be discussed in the same conversation when it came to the game’s best PGs?

Sad...

[DAF86]

Remember when TP and CP3 could be discussed in the same conversation when it came to the game’s best PGs?

Sad...

Mmmh, no.

[sook]

Series would still be alive right now if CP3 wasn't on the Rockets, but somehow he hasn't made the team better.

exactly breh. We got Game 6'd last game and CP3 put on a midrange clinic. The guy just has that closer tenacity. StrengthAndHonor knows this but it was never his fault that we came back 1-3 and beat them that year. Everytime he had the ball I was legit on edge our comeback was in jeopardy.

[Clipper Nation]

exactly breh. We got Game 6'd last game and CP3 put on a midrange clinic. The guy just has that closer tenacity. StrengthAndHonor (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42778) knows this but it was never his fault that we came back 1-3 and beat them that year. Everytime he had the ball I was legit on edge our comeback was in jeopardy.

In the fourth quarter of Game 6, CP0 was 1-6 (no assists) before making a garbage-time three when it no longer mattered. He also shit the bed in Games 5 and 7, but made sure to pad his stats in garbage time those games so his teammates could get all the blame. As the first option and highest-paid player on the team, it was absolutely his fault.

I'll never understand how a player who choked for 13 years gets a reputation as a "closer" and gets no blame for any of his meltdowns. Then again, Kobe tricked a generation of casual fans into thinking he was "clutch" despite shooting 23% in clutch moments of playoff games for his career, so I guess it's not unprecedented.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

:lmao winning a series they were supposed to win is somehow vindication.

They got CP3 to win this upcoming series. Now we’ll see if Houston is actually any better now.

[DAF86]

:lmao winning a series they were supposed to win is somehow vindication.

They got CP3 to win this upcoming series. Now we’ll see if Houston is actually any better now.

So, not beating GS proves they didn't get better? :lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

They’ll still lose in 5 to GS. But I’ve season, nonetheless.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

So, not beating GS proves they didn't get better? :lol
Anything less than a 7 game defeat proves it, yes

[AlexJones]

Man, what a no-brainer..

"Opportunity is not a lengthy visitor"...

[Raven]

Still thinking CP3 didn't make the Rockets better?

he basically went there for free..

[140]

:lmao winning a series they were supposed to win is somehow vindication.

They got CP3 to win this upcoming series. Now we’ll see if Houston is actually any better now.

[ambchang]

Still thinking CP3 didn't make the Rockets better?

You got reversed, but I am not that surprised because you don't seem to have much logic.

Houston made the WCF before Paul, it's Paul who couldn't make the WCF before the Rockets.

But sure, beating a 4 seed missing both guards is better.

[ambchang]

...or that he's a choker :lol

The only person that's had a more clutch performance than that this post season is Lebron. I'll give him props. CP3 hit shot after shot after shot in the last 2 4th quarters apparently Harden has had the flu.

He's clutch because his team is up 3-1 with him not doing that much in those games? Do you know what clutch means? It doesn't mean stat-padding in a meaningless game.

[ambchang]

So that's something we have seen multiple times this postseason (one top 10 guy stepping up when the other wasn't feeling it). Are you finally convinced that Paul has made the Rockets better?

So which game did the Rockets win where Harden choked and CP3 came to the rescue?

[benefactor]

:lmao winning a series they were supposed to win is somehow vindication.

They got CP3 to win this upcoming series. Now we’ll see if Houston is actually any better now.
:lol...exactly

They have home court and CP3. They lose this series in any less than 7 games it's the same ole shit sandwich we are accustomed to seeing from three of the biggest playoff chokers in the current era.

[AlexJones]

If they get the series to a 6th game (which they will), it's more than what anyone else could do against the Durant Warriors

[Clipper Nation]

:lol...exactly

They have home court and CP3. They lose this series in any less than 7 games it's the same ole shit sandwich we are accustomed to seeing from three of the biggest playoff chokers in the current era.
That's being too generous. The Rockets have the MVP, the so-called "Point God," and the supposed "greatest offense ever." If they don't win it all, it's another classic playoff chokejob by CP0 and Frauden.

[Gummi Clutch]

He's clutch because his team is up 3-1 with him not doing that much in those games? Do you know what clutch means? It doesn't mean stat-padding in a meaningless game.
To any casual observer here it seems you don't know what clutch is, he's using it right (as any non-dumbass would). What do you call continuously making shots at the end of games...playoff games...elimination games? If you were the asian kid that never got to play and always watched from the sidelines I feel bad for you.

Its clear from your posts you have no idea what you're ever talking about tbh.

[Gummi Clutch]

You got reversed, but I am not that surprised because you don't seem to have much logic.

Houston made the WCF before Paul, it's Paul who couldn't make the WCF before the Rockets.

But sure, beating a 4 seed missing both guards is better.
:lmao

That was a completely different team. We were MUCH better than them last year you fucking idiot :lol

Angry asian loser trying to talk basketball once again.

[SuperCam]

Point God hating fayggots trying to move the goalposts by claiming it's a choke if Rox don't win a series in which they are 2 to 1 vegas underdogs :lmao

[LkrFan]

In the fourth quarter of Game 6, CP0 was 1-6 (no assists) before making a garbage-time three when it no longer mattered. He also shit the bed in Games 5 and 7, but made sure to pad his stats in garbage time those games so his teammates could get all the blame. As the first option and highest-paid player on the team, it was absolutely his fault.

I'll never understand how a player who choked for 13 years gets a reputation as a "closer" and gets no blame for any of his meltdowns. Then again, Kobe tricked a generation of casual fans into thinking he was "clutch" despite shooting 23% in clutch moments of playoff games for his career, so I guess it's not unprecedented.

CP3 took a wet shit on CN last night I said! :lol

[Clipper Nation]

CP3 took a wet shit on CN last night I said! :lol
That's weird, I don't recall seeing him win a ring as the best player on his team last night.

[MultiTroll]

Didn't see game.
So Mitchell torches CPO / Frauden for 22 points in the 3rd qtr until he has to leave the game injured?

With Mitchell taken out, CP0 goes on to score some in the 4th including some super greasy banker that he had no intention to bank. ESPN-Disney-NBA makes it a highlight reel? :lmao

[Gummi Clutch]

Didn't see game.
So Mitchell torches CPO / Frauden for 22 points in the 3rd qtr until he has to leave the game injured?

With Mitchell taken out, CP0 goes on to score some in the 4th including some super greasy banker that he had no intention to bank. ESPN-Disney-NBA makes it a highlight reel? :lmao
Well if you didn't see the game you should probably stfu. Jazz were losing all game, Harden had the flu and was a no show. Jazz went on a little run in the 3rd, took a small lead for a bit. Lost the lead with CP3 hitting shots. Already losing, Mitchel goes out in with a couple minutes in the 4th when they're already down.

[MultiTroll]

Well if you didn't see the game you should probably stfu. Jazz were losing all game,
Jazz led from 5:07 left in the 3rd quarter into the 4th until Mitchell got injured.
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[spurraider21]

last year they got eliminated by the spurs without kawhi, while starting a rookie pg... at home in a blowout :lmao. they are demonstrably better than they were last year.

last time houston made the WCF it was 2015, and they lost to the warriors in 5. the warriors have since added fuckin kevin durant... so that makes the difference even more lopsided.

to say they must beat the warriors or drive it to 7, otherwise they haven't improved, is pure shit imho. Paul has made the rockets better, that doesn't mean they're suddenly better than the most stacked team in nba history

[resistanze]

:lol The Rockets are the clear underdogs in this series, how can people be so disingenuous?

[SuperCam]

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Cripple Nation takes going down the toilet :lmao


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Can't :downspin:that

[Chris Fall]

Haters will always find ways to change the narrative, move the goal posts, rewrite the logic.

”I’m not sure CP3 even makes Houston better than the Clippers.”

”CP3 can’t coexist with Harden because they both need the ball in their hands.”

”It’s just the regular season. Everyone knew they’d put up big regular season wins.”

”They’ll still choke in the playoffs. Second round exit still their ceiling.”

”He just hit some fluke shots when the game was already over. He only did it because he’s the third best player on the team.”

”It doesn’t matter. He still didn’t win a championship yet. So I’m still going to be right because I’ll just switch over to one of my other dozen ambiguous mind-numbing points of argument.”

It will continue to be :downspin: as long as they win games and series. After game 1 of the playoffs, the rats already came out puffing their chests saying I told you so... after 1 playoff game. But after the Utah series, it’s back to well of course they were going to beat Utah. It’s all about Golden State.

You're never wrong if you never admit to being wrong!

[StrengthAndHonor]

exactly breh. We got Game 6'd last game and CP3 put on a midrange clinic. The guy just has that closer tenacity. StrengthAndHonor (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42778) knows this but it was never his fault that we came back 1-3 and beat them that year. Everytime he had the ball I was legit on edge our comeback was in jeopardy.
You guys are in great position to upset the champs. Morey has done a tremendous job. Im rooting for CP3 and the Rockets for sure.

[DAF86]

So which game did the Rockets win where Harden choked and CP3 came to the rescue?

Last night, for example.

[DAF86]

Anything less than a 7 game defeat proves it, yes


:lol...exactly

They have home court and CP3. They lose this series in any less than 7 games it's the same ole shit sandwich we are accustomed to seeing from three of the biggest playoff chokers in the current era.

As if CP3 haters wouldn't come in in full force screaming "choke" if the Rockets lose a game 7 at home to the Warriors. :lol

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

:lol The Rockets are the clear underdogs in this series, how can people be so disingenuous?
They’re the 1 seed with HCA, for fucks sale. If they can’t hang with GS for 7 games, they’re clearly underacheiving.

[Clipper Nation]

The sheer level of slurping for a player who finally got caried to one WCF after over a decade of choking really says it all. Truth is, even CP0's fanboys subconsciously didn't expect him to avoid choking this series away. That's why they're celebrating a second-round victory over a depleted Jazz team like he just won the Finals.

If he was ever as great as they say he is, this would have been the expected outcome and they'd be treating it like it's nothing special. Then again, if he was ever as great as they say he is, he would have closed out Houston with a 3-1 lead in 2015 and this would all be a moot point.

[djohn2oo8]

The sheer level of slurping for a player who finally got caried to one WCF after over a decade of choking really says it all. Truth is, even CP0's fanboys subconsciously didn't expect him to avoid choking this series away. That's why they're celebrating a second-round victory over a depleted Jazz team like he just won the Finals.

If he was ever as great as they say he is, this would have been the expected outcome and they'd be treating it like it's nothing special. Then again, if he was ever as great as they say he is, he would have closed out Houston with a 3-1 lead in 2015 and this would all be a moot point.

Yet you suck off Westbrook like a hoover vacuum cleaner.

[djohn2oo8]

My nigga Clint Capela. Best big man CP3 has played with in a long time.

[StrengthAndHonor]

The sheer level of slurping for a player who finally got caried to one WCF after over a decade of choking really says it all. Truth is, even CP0's fanboys subconsciously didn't expect him to avoid choking this series away. That's why they're celebrating a second-round victory over a depleted Jazz team like he just won the Finals.

If he was ever as great as they say he is, this would have been the expected outcome and they'd be treating it like it's nothing special. Then again, if he was ever as great as they say he is, he would have closed out Houston with a 3-1 lead in 2015 and this would all be a moot point.
It took him a decade but it's progress, nonetheless. With a little bit of luck, he might just lead the Rockets to a title :toast

I will expect an apology from you, sir.

[Clipper Nation]

It took him a decade but it's progress, nonetheless. With a little bit of luck, he might just lead the Rockets to a title :toast

I will expect an apology from you, sir.
:lol In reality, he's already clinched never winning a title as the best player on his team.

[Gummi Clutch]

:lol The Rockets are the clear underdogs in this series, how can people be so disingenuous?
The most stacked team in NBA history, this is the real finals right here. Absurd what people are saying, but that's why this forum went downhill.

[140]

They’re the 1 seed with HCA, for fucks sale. If they can’t hang with GS for 7 games, they’re clearly underacheiving.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Not to mention Houston has been talking extraordinary amounts of shit all year. Talk of being better than GS, obsession with GS, how their entire season was played with GS in their minds. To lose a really close, hard fought series is fine, but laying an egg now, after a year of hyping themselves up, would be hilarious.

[Clipper Nation]

Not to mention Houston has been talking extraordinary amounts of shit all year. Talk of being better than GS, obsession with GS, how their entire season was played with GS in their minds. To lose a really close, hard fought series is fine, but laying an egg now, after a year of hyping themselves up, would be hilarious.

Facts. That smug douche Morey has been doing victory laps all season like they've already beaten the Warriors. Honestly, anything short of beating them is a chokejob with all the shit they've talked and how much the faggy NBA media has hyped them up.

[Chris Fall]

:lol

It’s a chokejob if they lose because... they talked shit? Lol because they talked shit...

So all the shit you talked gassing up Russ and him getting bounced in the first round means... you did a chokejob on Russell Westbone? Second chokejob for you really since you already gagged on Blake Griffin missing the playoffs entirely after all the shit talk you did for him. Amirite?

Chokejob due to talking shit. Do YOU even take yourself seriously?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol

It’s a chokejob if they lose because... they talked shit? Lol because they talked shit...

So all the shit you talked gassing up Russ and him getting bounced in the first round means... you did a chokejob on Russell Westbone? Second chokejob for you really since you already gagged on Blake Griffin missing the playoffs entirely after all the shit talk you did for him. Amirite?

Chokejob due to talking shit. Do YOU even take yourself seriously?

I'm just a fan giving my opinion. When a team hypes themselves up to the degree that the Rockets have this year, or the Warriors did in 2016 for that matter, it's embarrassing if/when they don't back it up on the court.

[spurraider21]

Embarrassing =/= choking

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

:lmao when a team talks crazy amounts of shit and can’t back it up to at least a respectable degree for their talent level, that’s a choke. (Obviously any asshole can talk shit, but we’re assuming the Rockets have the talent to back their shit talk up). The knobslobbers will do anything to defend these guys :lol i’ll admit i’m wrong if they win. I hope to god i’m wrong, cuz fuck the Warriors. But knobslob all you want, losing this series in 6 or fewer is ABSOLUTELY A CHOKEJOB for the Rockets.

Or do you think the Rockets aren’t good enough to back up their shit talk?

[Chris Fall]

Lmao

99.99999% of NBA players talk shit, at least the ones who actually get time on the court. Some are bold enough to do it in the media and on social media. Others do it mostly on the court. Others only do it in practice or in the lockerroom or to their friends and fam. I was talking to a guy who played D1 college basketball in the 90s, not drafted, never played in the league, made a couple NBA summer teams. He swore up and down Kobe sweated his game and couldn’t guard him when he was at Lakers camp. Dude didn’t even make it in the league. Was talking shit. Didn’t Lavar Ball swear Michael could have never guarded him? You’re naive if you don’t think all these players don’t talk shit. We just saw Joel Afrikaans talking shit the other night with his team down 0-3 in the series.

”knobslobbers” will do anything to defend these guys. Haters are saying that talking shit and losing means they choked in a league where everyone shit talks. Think about the strain on reality to come up with that logic. Forget if the other team is simply the better team or plays better or barely wins a closely contested series.

If you talk shit and lose, even against a better team, it’s a choke job. Read that comment. Say it out loud if you have to. It’s ridiculously stupid.

[ambchang]

To any casual observer here it seems you don't know what clutch is, he's using it right (as any non-dumbass would). What do you call continuously making shots at the end of games...playoff games...elimination games? If you were the asian kid that never got to play and always watched from the sidelines I feel bad for you.

Its clear from your posts you have no idea what you're ever talking about tbh.

Up 3-1, in a game that doesn't really matter if they win or not against a 5th seed.

And wouldn't an Asian kid who never got to play and always watch from the sidelines be the perfect person to talk about definitions?

[ambchang]

:lmao

That was a completely different team. We were MUCH better than them last year you fucking idiot :lol

Angry asian loser trying to talk basketball once again.

Do you know what is being talked about here? You are so far off the topic I am not even sure how to respond.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Lmao

99.99999% of NBA players talk shit, at least the ones who actually get time on the court. Some are bold enough to do it in the media and on social media. Others do it mostly on the court. Others only do it in practice or in the lockerroom or to their friends and fam. I was talking to a guy who played D1 college basketball in the 90s, not drafted, never played in the league, made a couple NBA summer teams. He swore up and down Kobe sweated his game and couldn’t guard him when he was at Lakers camp. Dude didn’t even make it in the league. Was talking shit. Didn’t Lavar Ball swear Michael could have never guarded him? You’re naive if you don’t think all these players don’t talk shit. We just saw Joel Afrikaans talking shit the other night with his team down 0-3 in the series.

”knobslobbers” will do anything to defend these guys. Haters are saying that talking shit and losing means they choked in a league where everyone shit talks. Think about the strain on reality to come up with that logic. Forget if the other team is simply the better team or plays better or barely wins a closely contested series.

If you talk shit and lose, even against a better team, it’s a choke job. Read that comment. Say it out loud if you have to. It’s ridiculously stupid.

So you dont think Houston is that good :tu

[Chris Fall]

So you dont think Houston is that good :tu

That’s not the argument. The point I argued was against the idea that talking shit in and of itself then losing is considered a chokejob. That’s what sounds stupid. Has nothing to do whether Houston is good enough to beat the Warriors or not. Again, moving the goal posts.

But if you must know, in the prediction thread, I took Houston in 7 so I clearly think Houston is good enough. I also am readily willing to admit that Golden State is a great team that has won two of the last three championships and been to three straight Finals and a team that CP3 and Rockets haters have sworn had their foot off the gas pedal for the regular season and is a main reason why Houston has the #1 seed anyway. So losing to them would not only not be a shock, it is reasonably foreseeable that it can happen.

This back and forth starts with the premise that losing after talking a lot of shit is a choke job. Talking shit. Because of talking? If Golden State is the better team and outplays them, then I don’t see a choke. Now if Houston has a 3-1 lead in the series and loses it in 7 on their home court, I could consider that a choke. If they get beat in 4-5 games where all the losses are close and they get beat in the final 4-5 minutes of each game where Harden and CP3 miss all their shots and turn the ball over, yes, that’s a choke. But losing to a great 2 time championship team that plays great, it’s not necessarily a choke, and certainly not a choke BECAUSE there was shit talk by Houston.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

That’s not the argument. The point I argued was against the idea that talking shit in and of itself then losing is considered a chokejob. That’s what sounds stupid. Has nothing to do whether Houston is good enough to beat the Warriors or not. Again, moving the goal posts.

But if you must know, in the prediction thread, I took Houston in 7 so I clearly think Houston is good enough. I also am readily willing to admit that Golden State is a great team that has won two of the last three championships and been to three straight Finals and a team that CP3 and Rockets haters have sworn had their foot off the gas pedal for the regular season and is a main reason why Houston has the #1 seed anyway. So losing to them would not only not be a shock, it is reasonably foreseeable that it can happen.

This back and forth starts with the premise that losing after talking a lot of shit is a choke job. Talking shit. Because of talking? If Golden State is the better team and outplays them, then I don’t see a choke. Now if Houston has a 3-1 lead in the series and loses it in 7 on their home court, I could consider that a choke. If they get beat in 4-5 games where all the losses are close and they get beat in the final 4-5 minutes of each game where Harden and CP3 miss all their shots and turn the ball over, yes, that’s a choke. But losing to a great 2 time championship team that plays great, it’s not necessarily a choke, and certainly not a choke BECAUSE there was shit talk by Houston.
So you dont think Houston is that good :tu

[HarlemHeat37]

Chris Paul was a monster in game 7, but he's never had issues dominating against mediocre playoff teams, I don't see what the hype is about..beating 47-win teams(one of them missing their starting PG) has never been his problem..

He needs to dominate against GS to cement his legacy..Houston was the 1-seed, I don't know why some posters here are acting like they were some borderline 50-win team or a high-win team with no stars like the old Hawks:lol

They won 65 games and have the MVP, this isn't a cute underdog story..they aren't favorites against GS, but I would call it a choke if they don't at least make the series competitive(6 games)..

[spurraider21]

That’s not the argument. The point I argued was against the idea that talking shit in and of itself then losing is considered a chokejob. That’s what sounds stupid. Has nothing to do whether Houston is good enough to beat the Warriors or not. Again, moving the goal posts.

But if you must know, in the prediction thread, I took Houston in 7 so I clearly think Houston is good enough. I also am readily willing to admit that Golden State is a great team that has won two of the last three championships and been to three straight Finals and a team that CP3 and Rockets haters have sworn had their foot off the gas pedal for the regular season and is a main reason why Houston has the #1 seed anyway. So losing to them would not only not be a shock, it is reasonably foreseeable that it can happen.

This back and forth starts with the premise that losing after talking a lot of shit is a choke job. Talking shit. Because of talking? If Golden State is the better team and outplays them, then I don’t see a choke. Now if Houston has a 3-1 lead in the series and loses it in 7 on their home court, I could consider that a choke. If they get beat in 4-5 games where all the losses are close and they get beat in the final 4-5 minutes of each game where Harden and CP3 miss all their shots and turn the ball over, yes, that’s a choke. But losing to a great 2 time championship team that plays great, it’s not necessarily a choke, and certainly not a choke BECAUSE there was shit talk by Houston.


So you dont think Houston is that good :tu
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[spurraider21]

Chris Paul was a monster in game 7, but he's never had issues dominating against mediocre playoff teams, I don't see what the hype is about..beating 47-win teams(one of them missing their starting PG) has never been his problem..

He needs to dominate against GS to cement his legacy..Houston was the 1-seed, I don't know why some posters here are acting like they were some borderline 50-win team or a high-win team with no stars like the old Hawks:lol

They won 65 games and have the MVP, this isn't a cute underdog story..they aren't favorites against GS, but I would call it a choke if they don't at least make the series competitive(6 games)..
that's fair imo

[Chris Fall]

He needs to dominate against GS to cement his legacy..Houston was the 1-seed, I don't know why some posters here are acting like they were some borderline 50-win team or a high-win team with no stars like the old Hawks:lol

Both apologists and haters are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Maybe some of the apologists talk like Houston isn’t a 1 seed and doesn’t have the league MVP. But the haters have discredited the regular season wins all season long as a product of all the tanking teams and Golden State’s indifference to the regular season. They also scream how Harden is an unworthy and fraudulent MVP candidate. But now that they want to re-emphasize the playoff choking label, they want to stress that Houston is the higher seed with home court and that they’re the favorites now, even though they dismissed what the Rockets had done all along... until now.

It’s also talking out of both sides.



They won 65 games and have the MVP, this isn't a cute underdog story..they aren't favorites against GS, but I would call it a choke if they don't at least make the series competitive(6 games)..

I probably agree with that, with the only caveat that if it’s say a five game series where every game is close and Golden State simply made more clutch shots than Houston and it wasn’t about Houston choking games away with missed shots and turnovers, I may not consider it a choke. I’d say Golden State is simply the better team.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

:lmao knobslobbers gonna knobslob

[AlexJones]

It's a definite choke if they lose in 5 on their home court.

[Down Under]

GS in 6. I sort of feel for D'Antoni more than anyone, he deserved a title in 2007, has been one of the most innovative offensive coaches but won't ever get over the top. People try to cite his stints with NY/LA to criticise him, ignoring those teams were mostly atrocious.

[AlexJones]

I don't know why some posters here are acting like they were some borderline 50-win team or a high-win team with no stars like the old Hawks:lol

They're in denial about this Houston team. You were too, midway through the season, tbh

[HarlemHeat37]

They're in denial about this Houston team. You were too, midway through the season, tbh

I was, but obviously can't ignore the full season sample size..

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Both apologists and haters are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Maybe some of the apologists talk like Houston isn’t a 1 seed and doesn’t have the league MVP. But the haters have discredited the regular season wins all season long as a product of all the tanking teams and Golden State’s indifference to the regular season. They also scream how Harden is an unworthy and fraudulent MVP candidate. But now that they want to re-emphasize the playoff choking label, they want to stress that Houston is the higher seed with home court and that they’re the favorites now, even though they dismissed what the Rockets had done all along... until now.

It’s also talking out of both sides.




I probably agree with that, with the only caveat that if it’s say a five game series where every game is close and Golden State simply made more clutch shots than Houston and it wasn’t about Houston choking games away with missed shots and turnovers, I may not consider it a choke. I’d say Golden State is simply the better team.
A 1-seed with the league MVP can both be expected to go far, while also be downplayed due to past failures....see 2007 Mavs.

[Clipper Nation]

According to 538, the Rockets currently have a 79% chance of beating the Warriors and a 69% chance of winning it all.

There you have it. It's championship or choke for the Rockets.

[djohn2oo8]

According to 538, the Rockets currently have a 79% chance of beating the Warriors and a 69% chance of winning it all.

There you have it. It's championship or choke for the Rockets.
Yeah you have no room to call anyone else a choker with Josh Smith jizzing in your eyeballs.

[djohn2oo8]

According to odds from Westgate, the reigning NBA champion Warriors are -195 favorites to take down the No. 1 seed in the West, Houston

Yeah that disingenuous shit ain't gonna fly Clitnation.

[Chris Fall]

A 1-seed with the league MVP can both be expected to go far, while also be downplayed due to past failures....see 2007 Mavs.

So you justify talking out of both sides of your mouth to cover your ass. :tu

[ambchang]

I am not sure why teams choked when they didn't get the results. Choking is always around the how rather than the what. Seriously, there are only one true actual choker in NBA history, and that was Karl Malone. All his poor performances couldn't be explained by situations or matchups or anything else, but just that he choked, and it happened multiple times.

I wouldn't say Houston choked if they couldn't beat GSW or extend this to 6 or 7 games or whatever, but they would be choking if they make a pattern of stupid mistakes down the line of a tight game in high pressure situations.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

So you justify talking out of both sides of your mouth to cover your ass. :tu
:lmao pot meet kettle

[Chris Fall]

:lmao pot meet kettle

Nice to meet you. As long as you admit the same hypocrisy.

[spurraider21]

According to 538, the Rockets currently have a 79% chance of beating the Warriors and a 69% chance of winning it all.

There you have it. It's championship or choke for the Rockets.
remember when you were shitting on 538 except now you aren't?

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Nice to meet you. As long as you admit the same hypocrisy.
Your capitulation is duly noted.

[Chris Fall]

Your capitulation is duly noted.

Capitulated? More like already stated it in the first place, back in post #393.


Both apologists and haters are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Maybe some of the apologists talk like Houston isn’t a 1 seed and doesn’t have the league MVP. But the haters have discredited the regular season wins all season long as a product of all the tanking teams and Golden State’s indifference to the regular season. They also scream how Harden is an unworthy and fraudulent MVP candidate. But now that they want to re-emphasize the playoff choking label, they want to stress that Houston is the higher seed with home court and that they’re the favorites now, even though they dismissed what the Rockets had done all along... until now.

It’s also talking out of both sides.

Difference with haters is they generally refuse to acknowledge or admit that they are talking out of their asses when they criticize the apologists. First it’s CP3 doesn’t even make Houston better. When he makes them better, it’s stat padding regular season wins against a tanking league while Golden State coasts, and second round exit is their ceiling. Golden State is still the better team. And it’s Harden flops his way to free throws and is a fraudulent MVP candidate.

And now that they can’t regurgitate that same old shit, they flip the argument. Well, they’re the #1 seed with the MVP, so if they don’t beat the Warriors, they choke.

At least you’re now admitting you’re a hypocrite talking out of your ass. Kudos!

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Capitulated? More like already stated it in the first place, back in post #393.



Difference with haters is they generally refuse to acknowledge or admit that they are talking out of their asses when they criticize the apologists. First it’s CP3 doesn’t even make Houston better. When he makes them better, it’s stat padding regular season wins against a tanking league while Golden State coasts, and second round exit is their ceiling. Golden State is still the better team. And it’s Harden flops his way to free throws and is a fraudulent MVP candidate.

And now that they can’t regurgitate that same old shit, they flip the argument. Well, they’re the #1 seed with the MVP, so if they don’t beat the Warriors, they choke.

At least you’re now admitting you’re a hypocrite talking out of your ass. Kudos!
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Your capitulation is still duly noted.

[Chris Fall]

:tu

[DAF86]

So ambchang, is it safe to say they are better than last season, yet?

[AlexJones]

:lol:lol:lmao

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[140]

CP0 stans bragging after a game where he was just barely outchoked :lol

[InRareForm]

Cp3

[DAF86]

CP0 stans bragging after a game where he was just barely outchoked :lol

"Barely outchoked" :lol

The dude single handedly brought the Rockets back while Harden was shitting bricks. Without Paul, this is a 20 pts loss for the Rockets.

Also, lol at calling anyone that isn't a blind hater a stan. :lol I'm pretty far from being a fan of Paul's bitchass, tbh

[Gummi Clutch]

So ambchang (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=986), is it safe to say they are better than last season, yet?
That fucking idiot is too stupid comprehend his own stupidity, you're arguing with a wall.

[MultiTroll]

CP0 stans bragging after a game where he was just barely outchoked :lol
The made FT with 0.5 was super idiotic.

Before that, the drive and resulting brick to give the Golden Phaggots a chance. :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

CP0 stans bragging after a game where he was just barely outchoked :lol

:lol That just says it all about CP0. Even his own stans were expecting the chokejob and are reduced to celebrating that Curry and KD choked even worse.

[Clipper Nation]

The dude single handedly brought the Rockets back while Harden was shitting bricks.

The dude single handedly brought the Warriors back at the free throw line. He's just lucky Curry shat out a brick.

[ambchang]

So ambchang, is it safe to say they are better than last season, yet?

I tend to agree now. That said, the league is so predictable. Just feed them some free throws to make sure they are least competitive.

[RsxPiimp]

I tend to agree now

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[DAF86]

I tend to agree now. That said, the league is so predictable. Just feed them some free throws to make sure they are least competitive.

:wow

Good for you son. That's growing.

[Gummi Clutch]

lol wtf from Amb :lol

I have never seen this dude admit being wrong ever. Props son :lol

[ambchang]

lol wtf from Amb :lol

I have never seen this dude admit being wrong ever. Props son :lol

Probably because you haven’t read enough. I always admit to it when wrong. Problem is that I’m rarely wrong.

[DAF86]

What would have been a 4-1 series loss is a 3-2 advantage. That's the difference a top 10 player makes.

[ambchang]

What would have been a 4-1 series loss is a 3-2 advantage. That's the difference a top 10 player makes.

That’s the difference defensive adjustments made. Way to much credit on paul. Defense did most of the work this series.

[StrengthAndHonor]

That’s the difference defensive adjustments made. Way to much credit on paul. Defense did most of the work this series.
Wouldn’t you agree, that Paul who’s also known for his defensive attributes may have something to donwith it?

[ambchang]

Wouldn’t you agree, that Paul who’s also known for his defensive attributes may have something to donwith it?

His defense is the most overrated aspect of his game.

The rockets were able to switch on everything which stopped the free flowing offensive game of the warriors. Paul can’t guard every position. He plays the passing lane a lot though.

[Chris Fall]

CP3’s man defense has actually been pretty good the last couple games especially. Guys can still shoot over him because he’s so small. But he stays in front of guys and he tends to hold his ground pretty well on post ups considering his size.

Because they switch everything, no one defender really has stood out, not even Capela or Ariza or Tucker. Switching helps alleviate the pressure for one defender to do all the heavy lifting on one particular scorer. It also negates or at least mitigates the amount of open looks created out of PNR. That’s one reason why Golden State has fallen into more and more iso plays. When a defense switches everything even on off the ball screens, it creates fewer open looks from their free flowing passing offense. Forces them to go one-on-one more.

[DAF86]

That’s the difference defensive adjustments made. Way to much credit on paul. Defense did most of the work this series.

Defense is the main reason, but without another star to bail out Chokerden they would have lost anyway.

[Clipper Nation]

Defense is the main reason, but without another star to bail out Chokerden they would have lost anyway.
True, they'd be screwed without Team Leader Gordon.

[AlexJones]

Unless he puts up 40/10/5, Harden's gonna get buried when he loses in game 7 either without CP3 or with a 50% at best CP3. It is what it is.

[ambchang]

Defense is the main reason, but without another star to bail out Chokerden they would have lost anyway.

Let’s face it. Paul didn’t play anywhere close to a top ten player in the series. It’s gordon who saved Houston’s ass.

[DAF86]

Let’s face it. Paul didn’t play anywhere close to a top ten player in the series. It’s gordon who saved Houston’s ass.

You can't compare Paul and Gordon. Paul is out there creating offense, while Gordon takes advantage of the opportunities Paul and Harden create. One has a much more difficult task than the other. It was Paul the one putting the team on his shoulders on the crucial parts of the last two games.

[Clipper Nation]

You can't compare Paul and Gordon.

Agreed. One of them is clutch, a leader and a winner. The other one is Chris Paul.

[ambchang]

You can't compare Paul and Gordon. Paul is out there creating offense, while Gordon takes advantage of the opportunities Paul and Harden create. One has a much more difficult task than the other. It was Paul the one putting the team on his shoulders on the crucial parts of the last two games.

It was the warriors choking that took the rockets on its shoulders.
This is one of the worst series I’ve seen of two supposedly top teams facing off. There’s more bad basketball in a game in this series than an entire bucks vs pacers series in the 80s.

:lol today’s nba.

[DAF86]

It was the warriors choking that took the rockets on its shoulders.
This is one of the worst series I’ve seen of two supposedly top teams facing off. There’s more bad basketball in a game in this series than an entire bucks vs pacers series in the 80s.

:lol today’s nba.

Sure. When playoffs games used to finish 84-80 it was good, tough defense. Now it's just bad play. :lol

[ambchang]

Sure. When playoffs games used to finish 84-80 it was good, tough defense. Now it's just bad play. :lol

If the rules are changed to allow much easier offense and two teams that ha repent the entire year scoring 120 a game suddenly can’t score, then it’s choking.

It really is obvious.

Sort of appalling that you can’t seem to understand how the league has changed the entire set of rules to disallow defense, and the teams still can’t score is really about bad offense.

Curry is now 0-6 in go ahead shots in the last 24 seconds of playoff games and he’s supposed to be the greatest shooter of all time. I’m sure it’s great defense.

Harden has now missed his last 20 three pointers. I’m sure that’s great defense.

[DAF86]

If the rules are changed to allow much easier offense and two teams that ha repent the entire year scoring 120 a game suddenly can’t score, then it’s choking.

It really is obvious.

Sort of appalling that you can’t seem to understand how the league has changed the entire set of rules to disallow defense, and the teams still can’t score is really about bad offense.

Curry is now 0-6 in go ahead shots in the last 24 seconds of playoff games and he’s supposed to be the greatest shooter of all time. I’m sure it’s great defense.

Harden has now missed his last 20 three pointers. I’m sure that’s great defense.

As if it hasn't always been the norm to see scoring decrease on the playoffs. When good teams face each other so many times in a row they start to read each other's offensive moves like a map.

[AlexJones]

It's just a coincidence that Timmy went 10-27 in 2005, Kobe 6-24, Dirk 9-27, Lebron 9-26 in their closeout Finals games. Not that defense is played better in critical games. Just a coincidence. These guys are chokers

[Clipper Nation]

It's just a coincidence that Timmy went 10-27 in 2005, Kobe 6-24, Dirk 9-27, Lebron 9-26 in their closeout Finals games. Not that defense is played better in critical games. Just a coincidence. These guys are chokers

:lol at comparing that turd Kobe laid to those other performances. That was a choke. He just had MVPau bailing him out per par.

[monosylab1k]

It's just a coincidence that Timmy went 10-27 in 2005, Kobe 6-24, Dirk 9-27, Lebron 9-26 in their closeout Finals games. Not that defense is played better in critical games. Just a coincidence. These guys are chokers

Dirk missed a ton of wide open shots in the first half of that closeout game. Nobody on SpursTalk is going to say Kobe didn’t choke with 6/24. And post Tim/LeBron’s other closeout game numbers. Nice cherry picking tho, Vivek Ranadive heartily approves.

[Caltex2]

So is everybody going to start arguing with s lot of people now?

:lol still can’t understand records are relative.
:lol not understanding the 72 win bulls are massively overrated just because of that number as there were two expansion teams that year to dillute the talent.

The Bulls still would have won 70 games. IIRC, they even lost to the Raptors that year. Pretty much the only player teams missed from the talent pool was Damon Stoudamire and maybe Big Country Reeves. And I didn't mention Doug Christie or John Salley on purpose.

On a side note, Greg Anthony was an original Grizzly.

[Caltex2]

The hell are you talking about?
Orating this year, 2nd in the league, 114.7
Orating last year, 2nd in the league, 114.7

Drating is due to the change in defensive changes and Capella improvement. CP3 is about average on the team in Drating.

The Rockets improved more around Capella's improvement than anything else. The record got better due to wide-spread tanking and GSW having the foot off gas.

It is almost hilarious that you would attribute the defensive improvement of the Rockets to CP3, when he was at best average this year on the Rockets.

The Rockets also had their foot off the gas. If they wanted to, they could have finished 67-15. The Rockets coasted down the stretch.

[140]

:lol If rockets win this series without CP0..

[Clipper Nation]

:lol If rockets win this series without CP0..

:lol His fanboys have already found a way to spin it. Apparently, CP0 is "coaching them to victory." Truly shameless.

[ambchang]

As if it hasn't always been the norm to see scoring decrease on the playoffs. When good teams face each other so many times in a row they start to read each other's offensive moves like a map.

Except the issue isn’t just the playoffs. It’s this series. And specifically in the fourth quarter. And Houston scoring 10 points less. And warriors scoring 6 points less. And it wasn’t just dip in scoring, it’s clanking wide open shot after wide open shots. 20 three pointers in a row?

[ambchang]

The Bulls still would have won 70 games. IIRC, they even lost to the Raptors that year. Pretty much the only player teams missed from the talent pool was Damon Stoudamire and maybe Big Country Reeves. And I didn't mention Doug Christie or John Salley on purpose.

On a side note, Greg Anthony was an original Grizzly.

You get to have four freebie games in the same conference and two against the one in the other conference. The bad teams were even shorter at the bench. Every time there is an expansion you get teams winning a lot of games. Never failed.

[ambchang]

The Rockets also had their foot off the gas. If they wanted to, they could have finished 67-15. The Rockets coasted down the stretch.
They didn’t though so it’s a moot point. Similar argument as if they didn’t lose all those games they shouldn’t have lost.

[DAF86]

:lol If rockets win this series without CP0..

lol son.

[Stabula]

Chris Paul is such a faggot. Always hurt in the post-season. Always.

[daslicer]

This move didn't make a difference for the Rox with Chris getting injury. I say this because Chris is an injury prone player that you can't count on to stay healthy during the playoffs. The last few years have proven this.

[monosylab1k]

His body choked on him preemptively :lol

[AlexJones]

One fucking injury. 15 pages of comments were gonna be bumped tonight if not for that

[Clipper Nation]

One fucking injury. 15 pages of comments were gonna be bumped tonight if not for that
:lol You actually thought he was going to stay healthy?

[daslicer]

One fucking injury. 15 pages of comments were gonna be bumped tonight if not for that

It deserves to be bumped for his injury. You can't excuse it since he's injury prone. What good is it to be good all year and then not be able to be effective during the playoffs which has been the case with Chris in the past.

[HarlemHeat37]

Do you give Paul his massive deal?

The injury risk is real every year, it seems inevitable every time..

[LkrFan]

Rockets owner wants to keep the band together:

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:lol

[spurraider21]

Do you give Paul his massive deal?

The injury risk is real every year, it seems inevitable every time..
unless you're getting lebron, you have to.

[endrity]

They essentially have to go for it now. Unless they can get a better piece, their window of opportunity is in the next 2-3 years when Harden is in his absolute prime before a reasonable decline for a SG will begin, the Warriors seem vulnerable, and no super-team is on the horizon.

If they ever win a title with Harden as their centerpiece they have to go all in now and keep what they have and try to add to it.

[ambchang]

Well turned out Paul didn’t make the rockets any bette because he can’t play when it mattered.

[spurraider21]

Well turned out Paul didn’t make the rockets any bette because he can’t play when it mattered.
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[Killakobe81]

Not saying it will definitely not work but he is ignoring the fact that part of the reason he shoots well in post ups is the rhythmn he builds by getting buckets in his comfort zone pounding the rock and working his midrange in pnr. That is why analysts always encourage shooters to get a easy layup for shooters that are struggling. Playing off ball is not easy ...miss a few open shots and it can fuck with even the best shooters confidence especially in high pressure, high leverage moments.

Bump. Though paul wasnt able to prove or disprove in game 6 and 7 ...The horrid shooting by Boston and Houston especially corriborated my last sentence.

going back, i had questions how it would work but praised Morey on the deal but questioned Cp3's health ...but said it would hurt Harden Mvp wise...
but since he stayed on ball so much it did not ...
overall i called this correctly sans MVP

[DAF86]

Well turned out Paul didn’t make the rockets any bette because he can’t play when it mattered.

:lol

[Caltex2]

You get to have four freebie games in the same conference and two against the one in the other conference. The bad teams were even shorter at the bench. Every time there is an expansion you get teams winning a lot of games. Never failed.

The Bulls won 70 with 2 to spare. They lost to every EC contender once, the Pacers twice, and played all of them on the road twice, just as they would have the year before. Had they played the Celtics and Nets four times instead of three, it'd be an extra win. They played more games against the expansion Raptors than them and LOST more games combined.

The Canada teams had 8 players at the very most that would have cracked anyone else's rotation. No one with a high enough draft pick would have been made appreciatively better by adding Stodamire. Big Country may have made someone a playoff contender but that's about it. Yet they only managed to go 5-1 against those teams. Let's say they go 3-3 against a slightly meatier schedule instead of the expansion teams. They still go 70-12. They still win 70 games. The very fewest they win is 68 but I doubt it.

Your argument is weak, admit that the '96 Bulls are great in any era.

[Caltex2]

They didn’t though so it’s a moot point. Similar argument as if they didn’t lose all those games they shouldn’t have lost.

It's not moot if you're implying they weren't a legit 65-win team. They could have won more if they didn't have everything wrapped up.

[ambchang]

The Bulls won 70 with 2 to spare. They lost to every EC contender once, the Pacers twice, and played all of them on the road twice, just as they would have the year before. Had they played the Celtics and Nets four times instead of three, it'd be an extra win. They played more games against the expansion Raptors than them and LOST more games combined.

The Canada teams had 8 players at the very most that would have cracked anyone else's rotation. No one with a high enough draft pick would have been made appreciatively better by adding Stodamire. Big Country may have made someone a playoff contender but that's about it. Yet they only managed to go 5-1 against those teams. Let's say they go 3-3 against a slightly meatier schedule instead of the expansion teams. They still go 70-12. They still win 70 games. The very fewest they win is 68 but I doubt it.

Your argument is weak, admit that the '96 Bulls are great in any era.

So losing to every contender is a good thing when my argument is that they padded their record with weak teams? Yiu just proved my point.

[ambchang]

It's not moot if you're implying they weren't a legit 65-win team. They could have won more if they didn't have everything wrapped up.

They didn’t.

[Caltex2]

So losing to every contender is a good thing when my argument is that they padded their record with weak teams? Yiu just proved my point.

They PLAYED each of those contenders about as many times as they would have without the Raps and Grizz in the league. They played the 13 other WC teams twice in '95 and '96 and the Grizzlies games would be transferred to the Nets and Celtics, who both sucked that year. And apparently, those expansion teams weren't automatic wins for the best team of all-time, so all things considered, if the Raps and Grizz didn't exist that year, putting their few legit rotation players on other teams and six fewer apparently easier wins, I give the field two wins. Whoopteedoo, the Bulls still win 70 games.

[Caltex2]

They didn’t.

They also won 65 games, so you can't have your cake and eat it too. They may not be one of the best teams of all time but they were a legit 65-win team.

[ambchang]

They PLAYED each of those contenders about as many times as they would have without the Raps and Grizz in the league. They played the 13 other WC teams twice in '95 and '96 and the Grizzlies games would be transferred to the Nets and Celtics, who both sucked that year. And apparently, those expansion teams weren't automatic wins for the best team of all-time, so all things considered, if the Raps and Grizz didn't exist that year, putting their few legit rotation players on other teams and six fewer apparently easier wins, I give the field two wins. Whoopteedoo, the Bulls still win 70 games.

They also played much lesser teams because of expansion. Not only the raptors and the grizz, but other teams were weakened because they lost rotational players in the draft.

The pistons were destroyed from those four expansion teams in the late 80s early 90s allowing the bulls to make it.

Not saying the bulls suck but their 72 win record was inflated.

[ambchang]

They also won 65 games, so you can't have your cake and eat it too. They may not be one of the best teams of all time but they were a legit 65-win team.

Never said otherwise.

[Caltex2]

They also played much lesser teams because of expansion. Not only the raptors and the grizz, but other teams were weakened because they lost rotational players in the draft.

The pistons were destroyed from those four expansion teams in the late 80s early 90s allowing the bulls to make it.

Not saying the bulls suck but their 72 win record was inflated.

You're just hard headed, aren't you? They had maybe five good rotation players combined. There was Big Country and Damon Stodamire...who would have gone to another bad team in the NBA Draft if the Raps and Grizz didn't exist. That leaves Doug Christie, Greg Anthony, Tony Massenberg, Tracy Murray and maybe Blue Edwards. None of those players were gonna make teams much better. You act like they took away Hall-of-Farmers or even perennial All-Stars.

Just quit while you're ahead and quit hating, those Bulls teams are great in any era. If it wasn't an expansion year, maybe they win 70, it's a what-if we can't definitively answer. Heck maybe they win more, they clearly didn'the show up for Toronto one game.

[ambchang]

You're just hard headed, aren't you? They had maybe five good rotation players combined. There was Big Country and Damon Stodamire...who would have gone to another bad team in the NBA Draft if the Raps and Grizz didn't exist. That leaves Doug Christie, Greg Anthony, Tony Massenberg, Tracy Murray and maybe Blue Edwards. None of those players were gonna make teams much better. You act like they took away Hall-of-Farmers or even perennial All-Stars.

Just quit while you're ahead and quit hating, those Bulls teams are great in any era. If it wasn't an expansion year, maybe they win 70, it's a what-if we can't definitively answer. Heck maybe they win more, they clearly didn'the show up for Toronto one game.

So the records were inflated and this they were overrated.

When did I say they weren’t going to be a great team in another era?

[LkrFan]

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[Killakobe81]

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been saying this can't happen and I dot blame any of them well maybe Capela who is good not sure worth max though

[The Gemini Method]

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The obsession continues. Lebron and CP3? OR do they stay with what got them to game 7? But they cannot afford 3 Max. If LeBron comes chaper, then yeah. But dude deserves a MAX somewhere.

[LkrFan]

been saying this can't happen and I dot blame any of them well maybe Capela who is good not sure worth max though

Bigs get paid tho (remember Kwame? :lol)

Capela has progressed significantly these last 3 years. I think he's still only 23 or so. Still a few years from his prime. I would love him in LA - even over JR - if we strike out on LBJ/PG13.

[LkrFan]

The obsession continues. Lebron and CP3? OR do they stay with what got them to game 7? But they cannot afford 3 Max. If LeBron comes chaper, then yeah. But dude deserves a MAX somewhere.

We can give him $35M plus all the allure of Hollywood. I'd be surprised if he took less just to team up with the Rockets.

[Killakobe81]

Bigs get paid tho (remember Kwame? :lol)

Capela has progressed significantly these last 3 years. I think he's still only 23 or so. Still a few years from his prime. I would love him in LA - even over JR - if we strike out on LBJ/PG13.

Just because he will get it, doesnt mean he deserves it
.

[monosylab1k]

Well turned out Paul didn’t make the rockets any bette because he can’t play when it mattered.

:tu

[LkrFan]

Just because he will get it, doesnt mean he deserves it
.

That's true too :tu

[DAF86]

Imho, Rckets priorities should be:

-See if they can get Lebron somehow.
-Capela.
-Paul.

That said, a guy like Dedmon could be a good Capela replacement, for a fraction of the price.