I am officially DONE with PATFO.

[vy65]

Okay, go back to the 90's baby. This brain-trust actually at least cares and thinks.
That shit was... shit.

Caring and thinking doesn't immunize them from criticism. Caring and thinking are their jobs. This ain't North Korea yet buddy, and having high expectations gets shot done.

[tonight...you]

No. You see, the issue is that it doesn't seem like they're thinking very much right now. Again, last year was much better as we had more favorable matchups and the path to the Finals was conceivable. Not so much this year. I honestly wouldn't feel comfortable betting that the Spurs beat OKC or HOU in the playoffs, let alone GS...
It sure seems. Okay. Go off ad infinitum them.

Why not? This is the age of expressing ourselves without filter through many means, without any inside info, or educated shit, because none of you even have a clue how to run a picnic, much less an NBA team. Even before any player can be signed after all. Go for it!

[DPG21920]

some of y'all are too much. there's numerous teams without even 1 title in their history. GS has assembled a team virtually unbeatable by any other current team in the league, and y'all are bitching because spurs arent in the finals every year? :lol

obviously we all want to win a title. i think some of you really underestimate what the spurs FO is trying to do. just because you don't hear their guys leaking every rumor to the press doesnt mean they arent doing anything. and realistically, what could they really do to put themselves on the level of GS aside from singing LeBron/Westbrook/etc? besides, free agents havent even been able to officially sign yet, there are over 100 free agents who havent even agreed to a deal yet. Spurfan needs to calm the fuck down and quit being spoiled and expecting instant gratification everytime you refresh ST....

and besides, anyone who thought the spurs were gonna flip their roster that just won 60, made the WCF, and was up 24 on the champs in the 3Q is either retarded or hasnt been following the team long tbh

Good post. I agree, but I also sympathize with Spurs fans who want to add to the team and are not happy that Mills was such a priority. Plus, watching HOU add talent & GS make aggressive smart moves is unnerving when SA has a lot of free agents they have not replaced (yet - they obviously will, but will they be better)?

I''m refraining from judging too much before I see what goes on. The big question for me is outside of trades, we know no "major" player is coming to SA this year. Is SA planning for 2018 to add another star or will the moves they make this year eat away at that?

[tonight...you]

Caring and thinking doesn't immunize them from criticism. Caring and thinking are their jobs. This ain't North Korea yet buddy, and having high expectations gets shot done.
Their's criticism and there's just trash talking when you don't know shit.
This team has been at the top for decades and maintained without Timmy.
You DO know there were several years that Timmy didn't win shit?

[vy65]

Their's criticism and theirs just trash talking when you don't know shit.
This team has been at the top for decades and maintained without Timmy.
You DO know there were several years that Timmy didn't win shit?

I agree that there's legit criticism and talking shit. The crux of my criticism against the FO is the Patty signing. To me, that signals them heading in an antiquated direction and failing to take a sober look at just how much of a dearth in talent this roster has.

Regardless of the years "Timmy didn't win shit" (curious to hear about those), do you honestly believe this front office has never made a mistake? That they're totallly beyond reproach? Because I think you have to believe that is the case in order to buy into the spoiled narrative.

[tonight...you]

I agree that there's legit criticism and talking shit. The crux of my criticism against the FO is the Patty signing. To me, that signals them heading in an antiquated direction and failing to take a sober look at just how much of a dearth in talent this roster has.

Regardless of the years "Timmy didn't win shit" (curious to hear about those), do you honestly believe this front office has never made a mistake? That they're totallly beyond reproach? Because I think you have to believe that is the case in order to buy into the spoiled narrative.
Of course they do! But they've also been in one of THE WORST situations in the NBA for many, many years:
Undesirable location.
One of the smallest markets in the league, i.e.: limited endorsements and smaller endorsement contracts= less money and exposure.
A team that never won shit til '99 and nobody cared when they did win. Phil Jackson made sure of that.
Now they have THE most respected coach in the league and one of the most respected franchises in the league, but that doesn't eliminate those hurdles I already mentioned and those are hurdles that still have to be contended by this FO.

I've watched this team since '87. I've seen the difference in how they are run and it is absolutely night and day, from the old days with our poor Admiral trying to win with his best running mate being Sean Elliott (most years) and nothing else at all, with a Dantoni-style coach running things. To a coach that preaches Defense and trying to put his players in positions to succeed.

Winning it all is so very hard. And they got closer than only 2 teams last year. D.Rob only got top the WCF once before Pop. Only once. And he was a generational talent.
You want to talk about wasting a player's prime...

[tonight...you]

I agree that there's legit criticism and talking shit. The crux of my criticism against the FO is the Patty signing. To me, that signals them heading in an antiquated direction and failing to take a sober look at just how much of a dearth in talent this roster has.

Regardless of the years "Timmy didn't win shit" (curious to hear about those), do you honestly believe this front office has never made a mistake? That they're totallly beyond reproach? Because I think you have to believe that is the case in order to buy into the spoiled narrative.
I remember succinctly, when Duncan got drafted, a prominent radio host said: San Antonio Spurs drafted Tim Duncan #1. We'll never hear from him again.

True fucking shit, and that was every-fucking-one thought of San Antonio at the time.

[vy65]

Of course they do! But they've also been in one of THE WORST situations in the NBA for many, many years:
Undesirable location.
One of the smallest markets in the league, i.e.: limited endorsements and smaller endorsement contracts= less money and exposure.
A team that never won shit til '99 and nobody cared when they did win. Phil Jackson made sure of that.
Now they have THE most respected coach in the league and one of the most respected franchises in the league, but that doesn't eliminate those hurdles I already mentioned and those are hurdles that still have to be contended by this FO.

I've watched this team since '87. I've seen the difference in how they are run and it is absolutely night and day, from the old days with our poor Admiral trying to win with his best running mate being Sean Elliott (most years) and nothing else at all, with a Dantoni-style coach running things. To a coach that preaches Defense and trying to put his players in positions to succeed.

Winning it all is so very hard. And they got closer than only 2 teams last year. D.Rob only got top the WCF once before Pop. Only once. And he was a generational talent.
You want to talk about wasting a player's prime...


I remember succinctly, when Duncan got drafted, a prominent radio host said: San Antonio Spurs drafted Tim Duncan #1. We'll never hear from him again.

True fucking shit, and that was every-fucking-one thought of San Antonio at the time.

That the franchise has come a long way doesn't make those who criticize their moves spoiled. Should we enjoy the success of the past, considering where this franchise once was? Yes, of course. Should we acknowledge that this franchise has done a lot with a little? Absolutely. But acknowledging those facts doesn't mean that when the franchise does stupid shit, we shut our mouths. That's a pretty totalitarian approach to thinking about how the FO operates.

I don't believe in the bigotry of low expectations. This franchise has an MVP candidate and ostensibly one of the best FOs in the league. Criticizing them for not living up to expectations isn't a sign of being spoiled -- it's holding the FO accountable because we all know they can and/or should do better.

[tonight...you]

That the franchise has come a long way doesn't make those who criticize their moves spoiled. Should we enjoy the success of the past, considering where this franchise once was? Yes, of course. Should we acknowledge that this franchise has done a lot with a little? Absolutely. But acknowledging those facts doesn't mean that when the franchise does stupid shit, we shut our mouths. That's a pretty totalitarian approach to thinking about how the FO operates.

I don't believe in the bigotry of low expectations. This franchise has an MVP candidate and ostensibly one of the best FOs in the league. Criticizing them for not living up to expectations isn't a sign of being spoiled -- it's holding the FO accountable because we all know they can and/or should do better.
Okay. Have an extremely good day homie.
I know the team has serious limitations. You have decided to not acknowledge them and have judged the FO accordingly.
I don't say they aren't infallible, but that they are working with a weighted problem- and they are trying to do the best they can.

To you and many others- there is no way San Antonio should not succeed, given the many advantages given to other teams that they don't have.
No excuse!

[I. Hustle]

That the franchise has come a long way doesn't make those who criticize their moves spoiled. Should we enjoy the success of the past, considering where this franchise once was? Yes, of course. Should we acknowledge that this franchise has done a lot with a little? Absolutely. But acknowledging those facts doesn't mean that when the franchise does stupid shit, we shut our mouths. That's a pretty totalitarian approach to thinking about how the FO operates.

I don't believe in the bigotry of low expectations. This franchise has an MVP candidate and ostensibly one of the best FOs in the league. Criticizing them for not living up to expectations isn't a sign of being spoiled -- it's holding the FO accountable because we all know they can and/or should do better.


Okay. Have an extremely good day homie.
I know the team has serious limitations. You have decided to not acknowledge them and have judged the FO accordingly.
I don't say they aren't infallible, but that they are working with a weighted problem- and they are trying to do the best they can.

To you and many others- there is no way San Antonio should not succeed, given the many advantages given to other teams that they don't have.
No excuse!

These dudes are taking shit to heart LOL

[tonight...you]

These dudes are taking shit to heart LOL
True that. Whatever'ss whatevs.
I'm not going to be changing minds, that's for sure, but I could be planting seeds...

[TheGreatYacht]

Incredible. Sam Presti, the guy who discovered Tony Parker, lost Kevin Durant and acquired Paul George and Melo via traded FOR SHIT

Meanwhile our drunk replaced Tim Duncan with Joffrey Leauvergne

[TheGreatYacht]

I would've bumped your Sam Presti thread, apalisoc_9 but faggot PATFO fluffers mod deleted it

[SPURt]

Incredible. Sam Presti, the guy who discovered Tony Parker, lost Kevin Durant and acquired Paul George and Melo via traded FOR SHIT

Meanwhile our drunk replaced Tim Duncan with Joffrey Leauvergne
All of this. Fuck this offseason.

[davi78239]

I had said we'd be a 4th seed before Melo to OKC now we really a 4 seed at best. We better hope for chemistry issues with these teams cause that's our best bet now tbh...

[TheGreatYacht]

When the players hear about all the moves this offseason

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2hgYAFUQAAOJJn.jpg:large
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http://www.slamonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/manu-ginobili.jpg

[exstatic]

Incredible. Sam Presti, the guy who discovered Tony Parker, lost Kevin Durant and acquired Paul George and Melo via traded FOR SHIT

Meanwhile our drunk replaced Tim Duncan with Joffrey Leauvergne

Don't forget "traded Harden for shit".

So, presti lost two All NBA player for essentially nothing, and got two disgruntled one year rentals. Melo
Needs the ball MORE than Westbrook does, which means PG will never touch the rock. Not the way to entice him to stay. He's a Laker next year, for sure.

[TheGreatYacht]

Don't forget "traded Harden for shit".

So, presti lost two All NBA player for essentially nothing, and got two disgruntled one year rentals. Melo
Needs the ball MORE than Westbrook does, which means PG will never touch the rock. Not the way to entice him to stay. He's a Laker next year, for sure.
Don't forget, traded Harden "because his cheap front office couldn't pay him"

Presti lost both players with no fault of his. Durant pulled the pussiest move of all time, and one no one saw coming. Presti built a pretty good team that year, one that retired Timmy, and had a 3-1 lead on GS until Durant quit. The fact you can't give props to him after recovering from all the shit he got thrown at tells me all I need to know. Keep defending PATFO signing washed up fucks bro :tu

[Kool Bob Love]

The spurs are officially garbage.

[JFK]

Don't forget, traded Harden "because his cheap front office couldn't pay him"

Presti lost both players with no fault of his. Durant pulled the pussiest move of all time, and one no one saw coming. Presti built a pretty good team that year, one that retired Timmy, and had a 3-1 lead on GS until Durant quit. The fact you can't give props to him after recovering from all the shit he got thrown at tells me all I need to know. Keep defending PATFO signing washed up fucks bro :tu

All of this.

Just wait until they extend Parker next year. It isn't Tony's fault and I love Tony. Buford lol. Hey Melo isn't our "culture"

[NASpurs]

Don't forget, traded Harden "because his cheap front office couldn't pay him"

Presti lost both players with no fault of his. Durant pulled the pussiest move of all time, and one no one saw coming. Presti built a pretty good team that year, one that retired Timmy, and had a 3-1 lead on GS until Durant quit. The fact you can't give props to him after recovering from all the shit he got thrown at tells me all I need to know. Keep defending PATFO signing washed up fucks bro :tu

:wow North Korea nukes

[SuperCam]

WESTERN CONFERENCE TEAMS BIG 3

Curry/Durpussy/Draymond
CP3/harden/Ariza
BrookVP/PG13/Melo
Griffin/Jordan/Beverly
Butler/Towns/Wiggins
Davis/Cousins/Holiday
Jokic/Sap/Harris
Lillard/McCollum/Nurkic
Conley/Gasol/Parsons

:bang

[Atl Spur]

The spurs are officially garbage.

Please book mark this dudes comment; no dic* riding later homie😉

[TimDunkem]

WESTERN CONFERENCE TEAMS BIG 3

Curry/Durpussy/Draymond
CP3/harden/Ariza
BrookVP/PG13/Melo
Griffin/Jordan/Beverly
Butler/Towns/Wiggins
Davis/Cousins/Holiday
Jokic/Sap/Harris
Lillard/McCollum/Nurkic
Conley/Gasol/Parsons

:bang
Kawhi/40 year old Manu/Fathead :lobt2:

[DeRozan m8]

Just checking in to say fuck PATFO....their egos have finally gotten the better of them.

Kawhi will be out of here asap.

We will never recover.

It's been a good ride

[TheGreatYacht]

Just checking in to say fuck PATFO....their egos have finally gotten the better of them.

Kawhi will be out of here asap.

We will never recover.

It's been a good ride

[tholdren]

Just checking in to say fuck PATFO....their egos have finally gotten the better of them.

Kawhi will be out of here asap.

We will never recover.

It's been a good ride

Cry havoc alt

[SouthTexasRancher]

It is pretty damn obvious that the top notch F/A's didn't beat down the Spurs door to come and play for our politician in chief aka pop. I'm starting to think pop had early onset dementia last season and after seeing our off-season fiasco I'm now convinced he has full blown, late stage dementia. And our front office is probably ranked 30th in the league. Too bad we didn't keep Sam Presti and let the resident drunk go off into the sunset. I feel bad for Kawhi.

[ElNono]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/004/130/bagdad-bob.jpg

Everything is fine... there's a plan, and we'll succeed...

[exstatic]

WESTERN CONFERENCE TEAMS BIG 3

Curry/Durpussy/Draymond
CP3/harden/Ariza
BrookVP/PG13/Melo
Griffin/Jordan/Beverly
Butler/Towns/Wiggins
Davis/Cousins/Holiday
Jokic/Sap/Harris
Lillard/McCollum/Nurkic
Conley/Gasol/Parsons

:bang

:lol:lol

Beverly? Ariza? These are big three components? Parsons? He's only got one fuckng leg to play on!

Kawhi, Aldridge, Gay

[SuperCam]

:lol:lol

Beverly? Ariza? These are big three components? Parsons? He's only got one fuckng leg to play on!

Kawhi, Aldridge, Gay

9 of those teams have a #2 better than softridge, and 4-5 have a #3 better than him too and you don't see the talent deficit PATFO has landed this team in :lol

[Atl Spur]

It is pretty damn obvious that the top notch F/A's didn't beat down the Spurs door to come and play for our politician in chief aka pop. I'm starting to think pop had early onset dementia last season and after seeing our off-season fiasco I'm now convinced he has full blown, late stage dementia. And our front office is probably ranked 30th in the league. Too bad we didn't keep Sam Presti and let the resident drunk go off into the sunset. I feel bad for Kawhi.

Sam Presti has won how many championships??? As I recall, we were just in the Western Conference Finals...... Dementia is a term better suited for our president(notice president written in lower case)!

[bklynspursfan]

:lol:lol

Beverly? Ariza? These are big three components? Parsons? He's only got one fuckng leg to play on!

Kawhi, Aldridge, Gay

Freaking hilarious he listed some of those. Some people on here are such drama Queens.

[Atl Spur]

9 of those teams have a #2 better than softridge, and 4-5 have a #3 better than him too and you don't see the talent deficit PATFO has landed this team in :lol

Stop poppin' and put your money where your mouth should be....... I'll bet with my Spurs against all those clown ass teams you're d*ck riding; you name the amount clown!

[tholdren]

Kawhi/40 year old Manu/Fathead :lobt2:

Boo hoo

[Maddog]

Let's be realistic. Say the spurs did want Melo. Just say they did want a 33 year old inefficient chucker making 27 million.
What did thet have to offer?
OKC gave up two young guys with some talent. Spurs have few a assets to trade.
I'm bummed the Spurs haven't made upgrades this season, but they really didn't have the assets. I think this year is a transition/holding pattern year.

[TimDunkem]

:cry I'm your biggest fan.
:cry

[TD 21]

Sam Presti has won how many championships??? As I recall, we were just in the Western Conference Finals...... Dementia is a term better suited for our president(notice president written in lower case)!

Bad luck. Ownership essentially forced the Harden trade, while injuries derailed them in '13 and '15 and at least played a part in their demise in '14. As much as I couldn't stand them, they very well could have won any of those years and were a sliver away from beating Warriors (and probably winning the championship) in '16.

The notion of Pop and Buford being geniuses was mostly born of Spurs capitalizing on Ibaka, their kryptonite, missing first 2 games of '14 WCF. Otherwise, they very well could have 0 championships in the past decade despite having by far the best regular season record in that span.

[tholdren]

Emoji time

[SuperCam]

912366036946706433

:wow

If MVPresti gets PG to sign an extension after giving up scrubs for him then this offseason looks even worse tbh

[kjhip1]

WESTERN CONFERENCE TEAMS BIG 3

Curry/Durpussy/Draymond
CP3/harden/Ariza
BrookVP/PG13/Melo
Griffin/Jordan/Beverly
Butler/Towns/Wiggins
Davis/Cousins/Holiday
Jokic/Sap/Harris
Lillard/McCollum/Nurkic
Conley/Gasol/Parsons

:bang

Beverly, parsons, ariza in any big 3 combination. Bruh, your troll game is weak. Spurs still gonna pump out 55 wins.

[NameLess Scrub]

Don't freak out about Melo yet.

[TheGreatYacht]

I was so excited for this season, then Spurs media day reminded me there's nothing but fossils and handicaps with missing limbs on this roster.

Vaya con dios, Kawhi.

[diego]

whats worse, the triggered trumpites failing to boycott pop and the spurs (you can do it!), or the poor front runners melting down all summer because they cant bear not starting the season as the clear cut favorites? just do yourselves a favor and bandwagon the warriors or better yet the thund:lolr so I can laugh when spurs finish better in RS and PO.
i cant think of any bball team or any sport where trumpers will be accepted and safe, but im sure theres a safe space out there for you, keep looking.

the spurs will finish as a top 4 team just like in 15-17 and melo will continue to be irrelevant as he has been for almost a decade now. and if the warriors get injured / cold at the wrong time and spurs stay healthy, they'll have a punchers chance. last year dubs landed their punch and it was the spurs with major injuries, but it could go the other way. and if it doesnt, it wont be any different than the 14 years duncan didnt win, the 12 drob didnt win, the 9 years gervin didnt win, etc.

Having a great player like kawhi has never been a guarantee of anything, and yet the terrible FO and old roster has already taken to two finals and 2 WCF in the first 6 years of his career. poor guy! you can see kawhi so frustrated because of the terrible spurs not giving him any opportunities! :rolleyes

its funny really, kawhi is confident, competitive, classy, yet he attracts a bunch of needy insecure front running bitches who cant keep their mouths shut.

at this point i want the spurs to win, not to rub it in other fans faces, but to rub it into the supposed fellow spurs fans on this board. :down:

[exstatic]

912366036946706433

:wow

If MVPresti gets PG to sign an extension after giving up scrubs for him then this offseason looks even worse tbh
What are you, like twelve? They ALL say that when they get to a new team.

[tholdren]

whats worse, the triggered trumpites failing to boycott pop and the spurs (you can do it!), or the poor front runners melting down all summer because they cant bear not starting the season as the clear cut favorites? just do yourselves a favor and bandwagon the warriors or better yet the thund:lolr so I can laugh when spurs finish better in RS and PO.
i cant think of any bball team or any sport where trumpers will be accepted and safe, but im sure theres a safe space out there for you, keep looking.

the spurs will finish as a top 4 team just like in 15-17 and melo will continue to be irrelevant as he has been for almost a decade now. and if the warriors get injured / cold at the wrong time and spurs stay healthy, they'll have a punchers chance. last year dubs landed their punch and it was the spurs with major injuries, but it could go the other way. and if it doesnt, it wont be any different than the 14 years duncan didnt win, the 12 drob didnt win, the 9 years gervin didnt win, etc.

Having a great player like kawhi has never been a guarantee of anything, and yet the terrible FO and old roster has already taken to two finals and 2 WCF in the first 6 years of his career. poor guy! you can see kawhi so frustrated because of the terrible spurs not giving him any opportunities! :rolleyes

its funny really, kawhi is confident, competitive, classy, yet he attracts a bunch of needy insecure front running bitches who cant keep their mouths shut.

at this point i want the spurs to win, not to rub it in other fans faces, but to rub it into the supposed fellow spurs fans on this board. :down:

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao RC Buford and his premature 12:01am deals
:lmao been fucking our cap since it was made
:lmao Collison >>>>> Fatty Mills

How is Collison better? He is a below average pg in this league, with DV history and a career loser.

What the fuck? Mills is way better than Collison.

The only thing Mills does at an elite level is shoot. Collison is just as good, as evident by his back-to-back 40 3P% seasons. Plus he's on a shorter and cheaper contract than Mr. 12:01am, here.

What is Mills better at than Collison? I'll wait.
Told y'all sons.

Darren Collison -
15.6ppg, 3.4rpg, 8.4apg, 1.4stl, 64.5TS%, 23.2PER

Patty Mills -
3.5ppg, 1.3rpg, 2.8apg, 0.5stl, 43.8TS%, 2.4PER

[bklynspursfan]

This thread :lol

SA didn't get better
First round knockout
Can't win without Kawhi
Continuity means squat
PATFO don't care anymore
Kawhi wants to leave

This is why we wait till games are played folks.

[Chinook]

I stayed the shit out of this thread last time. Dumb-ass folks thought the team was going to suck outside of Kawhi. But pretty much everyone was disappointed in how PATFO handled the off-season. Hell, I still am. Seeing Gay look so good, LMA show up and Murray improve only makes me more annoyed with the contracts the team handed out, especially the Pau one. It's going to take more than a 4-0 start to wash that castor-oil taste from my mouth.

[SPURt]

I stayed the shit out of this thread last time. Dumb-ass folks thought the team was going to suck outside of Kawhi. But pretty much everyone was disappointed in how PATFO handled the off-season. Hell, I still am. Seeing Gay look so good, LMA show up and Murray improve only makes me more annoyed with the contracts the team handed out, especially the Pau one. It's going to take more than a 4-0 start to wash that castor-oil taste from my mouth.
This right here

[RD2191]

Told y'all sons.

Darren Collison -
15.6ppg, 3.4rpg, 8.4apg, 1.4stl, 64.5TS%, 23.2PER

Patty Mills -
3.5ppg, 1.3rpg, 2.8apg, 0.5stl, 43.8TS%, 2.4PER

Lol. Mills is such a scrub. Homer spurs fans are retarded.

[bklynspursfan]

I stayed the shit out of this thread last time. Dumb-ass folks thought the team was going to suck outside of Kawhi. But pretty much everyone was disappointed in how PATFO handled the off-season. Hell, I still am. Seeing Gay look so good, LMA show up and Murray improve only makes me more annoyed with the contracts the team handed out, especially the Pau one. It's going to take more than a 4-0 start to wash that castor-oil taste from my mouth.

Reasonable to be pissed at that contract no doubt. Far more reasonable than some of the other stuff mentioned here.

[Ice009]

I stayed the shit out of this thread last time. Dumb-ass folks thought the team was going to suck outside of Kawhi. But pretty much everyone was disappointed in how PATFO handled the off-season. Hell, I still am. Seeing Gay look so good, LMA show up and Murray improve only makes me more annoyed with the contracts the team handed out, especially the Pau one. It's going to take more than a 4-0 start to wash that castor-oil taste from my mouth.

You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what I was telling a friend of mine at work the other day. I said seeing Rudy look good, LMA playing great, Danny playing great and Dejounte start better then I ever imagined makes it worse, much worse. With all this, they could have used that money on a couple of pieces to put us neck and neck with the Warriors IMO.

I would not have re-signed Patty Mills at all. I just would have tried to get a veteran PG like Darren Collison to fill in and/or keep starting until Tony came back, or if Dejounte didn't pan out/wasn't ready, just let the vet PG keep starting, then I would have used the left over money to try and get another decent front court player.

Gasol, I would have given him back the 16 million for this season and offered him another 16 for the following season with around 8 million or less guaranteed as a favour for opting out. If he didn't want to opt out, I would have told him then we'll need to trade you because we need that money off the books.

[SAGirl]

You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what I was telling a friend of mine at work the other day. I said seeing Rudy look good, LMA playing great, Danny playing great and Dejounte start better then I ever imagined makes it worse, much worse. With all this, they could have used that money on a couple of pieces to put us neck and neck with the Warriors IMO.

I would not have re-signed Patty Mills at all. I just would have tried to get a veteran PG like Darren Collison to fill in and/or keep starting until Tony came back, or if Dejounte didn't pan out/wasn't ready, just let the vet PG keep starting, then I would have used the left over money to try and get another decent front court player.

Gasol, I would have given him back the 16 million for this season and offered him another 16 for the following season with around 8 million or less guaranteed as a favour for opting out. If he didn't want to opt out, I would have told him then we'll need to trade you because we need that money off the books.
It might require giving out a pick but If Spurs want to clear any of those guys off the books next season they can. They can still play, aren't injured and can have good games in them still.

[Ice009]

I just thought Mills has peaked in regular season play where he has been decent, but on the flip-side, I don't think he's ever really had a great playoffs. He's coming off of two very average/poor playoffs in a row IMO, and I don't think he should have been rewarded for that. Back in the day, Pop wouldn't have paid him, he would have either offered him a smaller amount of money or just let him walk.

Gasol, I thought was almost washed up and isn't really going to be that effective moving forward in today's NBA, so I didn't really want him on the books beyond his previous contract. I thought it was a waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere.

I hope I'm wrong and that both players can contribute, but it's not looking good for either of them.

[spursistan]

Apparently this is their rationale for these head-scratching deals..

From Lowe piece today..

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I remember debating the Pau Gasol signing with a Spurs official two summers ago. I was underwhelmed. He was astonished anyone could feel that way about even the creaky, aging version of Gasol. "He knows how to play," the official said. He kept repeating that. He seemed confused that I didn't find "knowing how to play" a super-compelling reason to sign someone.

But you get it when you see it in action -- five guys who know how to play, working from the same script. They don't foul. They leave the right shooters open, never the wrong ones. They move the ball to the right place, at the right time.


Maybe the Spurs err a little too far toward "knowing how to play" at the expense of athleticism and other talents. Maybe that places a ceiling on them in playoffs. But it also wins a gargantuan number of games, every damned year

[Mr. Body]

That's the corporate culture of the team. Of course a player like Gasol or Mills helps the team run. Without Duncan and Ginobili soon leaving their importance is even more marked. They are ensuring the culture goes on into another generation. Maybe they're too expensive but that's what they are for. I'm surprised Lose doesn't get this.

[dabom]

Spurs aren't even Top 5 team in the West in terms of raw talent on paper..And it is not like they are blowing these teams out of the depth water either..

Warriors: Curry, KD, Draymond, Klay
Houston: Harden, CP3
Wolves: KAT, Butler, Wiggins, (Millsap?)
Pelicans: AD, Cousins, Jrue
OKC: Russ, PG13

:lmao























































:lol

[dabom]

Some really good ones in here. Might need some :corn:.

:lol

[spursistan]

^ The Spurs are still a suspect playoffs team when opponents start game-planning for your weak links and flaws..Nothing has changed in that regard..If you guarantee me the Turd Brothers (Mills/Gasol) and washed-looking Parker will see limited roles vs Gsw/Hou I would feel better about their chances..

PS...Stop quoting me faggot..

[dabom]

Spurs aren't even Top 5 team in the West in terms of raw talent on paper..And it is not like they are blowing these teams out of the depth water either..

Warriors: Curry, KD, Draymond, Klay
Houston: Harden, CP3
Wolves: KAT, Butler, Wiggins, (Millsap?)
Pelicans: AD, Cousins, Jrue
OKC: Russ, PG13

:lmao

[tholdren]

But you get it when you see it in action -- five guys who*know how to play, working from the same script. They don't foul. They leave the right shooters open, never the wrong ones. They move the ball to the right place, at the right time.

Maybe the Spurs err a little too far toward "knowing how to play" at the expense of athleticism and other talents. Maybe that places a ceiling on them in playoffs. But it also wins a gargantuan number of games, every damned year.

[tholdren]

lmao Chemistry is fucking overrated. Look at all the teams forming out of nowhere that are already eager to play together and go at each other. I'm sure the same people talking about chemistry are the same people who thought chemistry and fit were going to be a problem when GS dumped half of their 73 win team to add Durant. :lmao

As if losing Fatty would've killed the entire team's chemistry anyway...Didn't know this team was so fragile. No wonder Kawhi is the only alpha.

Dumbest poster of all time has to be this alt of the great yacht

[bklynspursfan]

^ The Spurs are still a suspect playoffs team when opponents start game-planning for your weak links and flaws..Nothing has changed in that regard..If you guarantee me the Turd Brothers (Mills/Gasol) and washed-looking Parker will see limited roles vs Gsw/Hou I would feel better about their chances..

PS...Stop quoting me faggot..

The last Parker we saw, definitely was not washed-looking.

And just having LMA play with more confidence + Gay we are already a much different team than last. And they were quite good last year.

[Ice009]

^ The Spurs are still a suspect playoffs team when opponents start game-planning for your weak links and flaws..Nothing has changed in that regard..If you guarantee me the Turd Brothers (Mills/Gasol) and washed-looking Parker will see limited roles vs Gsw/Hou I would feel better about their chances..

Yep.

[davi78239]

G Hill would have been nice over Mills tbh...

[TimDunkem]

Dumbest poster of all time has to be this alt of the great yacht
Great night to stalk me and quote that post, moron. Fatty has a terrible night - in addition to the other terrible ones he's shit out so far - and the Spurs lose to Orlando; looking old and slow in the process.

Here's what 98 million in "culture" bought tonight:

9 for 21
4 TOs
-33
Poor defense

:lmao

[spursistan]

I know shitting on PATFO is going to become old hat because we all expected this, but seriously, this team has looked less athletic and with poor energy level (Lee, Dedmon, Simmons are missed in that department) when down in a hole than last year..How is that culture doing for ya? :lol..

I will give them until Kawhi is back to judge, but they have looked worse in this 0-3 skid more so than impressive when they opened the season 4-0...

[NASpurs]

:lmao the fluffers 3 days ago

[TheGreatYacht]

This thread :lol

SA didn't get better
First round knockout
Can't win without Kawhi
Continuity means squat
PATFO don't care anymore
Kawhi wants to leave

This is why we wait till games are played folks.
Get the fuck in here faggot and spin this shit

[sananspursfan21]

I was one that was beginning to believe in the role players on this team :rolleyes

[tholdren]

Lol. Mills is such a scrub. Homer spurs fans are retarded.

Werent you posting how amazing murray was after a game?

[sasaint]

Great night to stalk me and quote that post, moron. Fatty has a terrible night - in addition to the other terrible ones he's shit out so far - and the Spurs lose to Orlando; looking old and slow in the process.

Here's what 98 million in "culture" bought tonight:

9 for 21
4 TOs
-33
Poor defense

:lmao

:lol Are you gonna make this a regular feature? How much culture did the Spurs pay for tonight against the Celts?

[spursistan]

That Gasol/Mills deals are the true killers-- that's when PATFO entered Knicks and Lakers-tier of blundering front offices.

We are all aware of the constrictions put on them by the San Antonio market, but this is the first off-season the Spurs royally fucked themselves..

All great things/runs come to an end in business or sport, and there is usually a great element of self-destruction involved in it through complacency or sheer stupidity-- some forms of which, i feel, have started to creep in the Spurs franchise fabric and mode of operation..

[MultiTroll]

:lol Are you gonna make this a regular feature? How much culture did the Spurs pay for tonight against the Celts?
+1.
A tracker would be nice addition.

[Ice009]

These fucking idiots need to cut someone and bring in a competent PG. They need a competent PG to run the team and dribble the ball, and that can also hit an open shot.

[spursistan]

These fucking idiots need to cut someone and bring in a competent PG. They need a competent PG to run the team and dribble the ball, and that can also hit an open shot.
Absent that, the only hope is for Kawhi, when he returns, to pick up where he left off in last years' playoffs when he showed flashes of dynamic playmaking off the dribble from the Point Forward position..With Gay on board and Aldridge whining about touches, Leonard will probably have to sacrifice some of his scoring, but he is going to be averaging 5-7 assists per game if this team's offense to start rolling again (currently a pathetic 99.7 rating and bottom 5 in the league)....

[SupremeGuy]

We should have seen this coming when Pop couldn't take his mouth off of President Trump's dick a few weeks ago. His dumbass doesn't give a shit anymore.

[TD 21]

I know shitting on PATFO is going to become old hat because we all expected this, but seriously, this team has looked less athletic and with poor energy level (Lee, Dedmon, Simmons are missed in that department) when down in a hole than last year..How is that culture doing for ya? :lol..

I will give them until Kawhi is back to judge, but they have looked worse in this 0-3 skid more so than impressive when they opened the season 4-0...

To be fair, any team would be exposed without someone who can create shots for others. Granted, they've put themselves in a position where, of the 4 players they're relying on for that, 3 are either no longer good enough or not ready. I actually think they're more talented than given credit for when healthy: superstar, star, abundance of quality role players, is nothing to sneeze at . . . too bad it'll all be undone by the lack of so much as a competent starting PG and an archaic style.

There's a lot of mixed messages coming from them. They talked about the need to get more athletic in '16, only to lose their 2 best athletes a year later. The roster hinted at versatility being their focus, yet they've tried to stay as traditional as possible when healthy. They pursued Paul and extended Aldridge because they want the best possible talent around Leonard during his prime, yet aren't rumored interested in Bledsoe, even though they more than likely have the pieces to get him.

[jimbo]

:lol 8 teams ahead of the spurms in the WC right now

[bklynspursfan]

We should have seen this coming when Pop couldn't take his mouth off of President Trump's dick a few weeks ago. His dumbass doesn't give a shit anymore.

Seriously. Pop speaking out on important social issues made Kawhi so mad, he jumped up and down and he hurt his quad. Thanks Pop :bang

[YGWHI]

Dumb-ass folks thought the team was going to suck outside of Kawhi.
After a nice start it seems like some Spurs players regressed to mean -which is exactly what those fans thought-.
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I wouldn't say the team is doing great either...

[TheGreatYacht]

After a nice start it seems like some Spurs players regressed to mean -which is exactly what those fans thought-.
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925413314288607232
I wouldn't say the team is doing great either...
People keep telling 'Nook to stay off basketball takes but he won't listen smh

[DAF86]

Spurs should have resigned Dedmon and Simmons (I was porbably the most vocal folk about not resigning Simmons in the offseason, but if you were going to commit all that money on Mills, Gasol and LA; you might as well resign Simmons, tbh), let Mills walk and not extend Gasol nor Aldridge, tbh.

Could have had a roster of:

Murray, Forbes, White/Tony
Green , Manu, Paul
Kawhi, Simmons, Anderson
Aldridge, Gay, Bertans
Gasol, Dedmon, Lauvergne

And all the cap space in the World in a season, or two, to try and get that one or two pieces that are missing to trully challenge GS.

Now we are stuck with a team that we know it's not good enough for, at least, the next three seasons. This isn't hindsight either (with the exception, in my case, of Simmons), this is what we were all asking for during the offseason (sans the pipe dreams of CP3 or Paul George).

[SAGirl]

Spurs should have resigned Dedmon and Simmons (I was porbably the most vocal folk about not resigning Simmons in the offseason, but if you were going to commit all that money on Mills, Gasol and LA; you might as well resign Simmons, tbh), let Mills walk and not extend Gasol nor Aldridge, tbh.

Could have had a roster of:

Murray, Forbes, White/Tony
Green , Manu, Paul
Kawhi, Simmons, Anderson
Aldridge, Gay, Bertans
Gasol, Dedmon, Lauvergne

And all the cap space in the World in a season, or two, to try and get that one or two pieces that are missing to trully challenge GS.

Now we are stuck with a team that we know it's not good enough for, at least, the next three seasons. This isn't hindsight either (with the exception, in my case, of Simmons), this is what we were all asking for during the offseason (sans the pipe dreams of CP3 or Paul George).
In your scenario the 12:01 contract would have gone to Simmons which is the only way I think JSimms would have stayed. Spurs would have avoided sending the sheep into the wolf's den. Magic sold Simmons on a vision and role for himself that he wanted. However, prior to that, his agent was seeking trades for him, at least one of which got leaked out bc it was really close to getting agreed upon. It was leaked that once that trade didn't go through, that's when Simmons' agent asked to be released from the RFA status. So I think Simmons knew what he wanted and the Spurs didn't give it to him. He seemed to have wanted to move on anyways after that, unless he got the 12:01 deal.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Spurs should have resigned Dedmon and Simmons (I was porbably the most vocal folk about not resigning Simmons in the offseason, but if you were going to commit all that money on Mills, Gasol and LA; you might as well resign Simmons, tbh), let Mills walk and not extend Gasol nor Aldridge, tbh.

Could have had a roster of:

Murray, Forbes, White/Tony
Green , Manu, Paul
Kawhi, Simmons, Anderson
Aldridge, Gay, Bertans
Gasol, Dedmon, Lauvergne

And all the cap space in the World in a season, or two, to try and get that one or two pieces that are missing to trully challenge GS.

Now we are stuck with a team that we know it's not good enough for, at least, the next three seasons. This isn't hindsight either (with the exception, in my case, of Simmons), this is what we were all asking for during the offseason (sans the pipe dreams of CP3 or Paul George).


This 100%

Resigning Aldridge I suppose you could convince me but resigning Gasol and Mills was beyond stupid. I think letting Simmons go is almost going to hurt as much as Scola. I think with a bigger role and more consistent playing time Simmons is going to do great.

I'm kind of worried about the Spurs lack of quality players but perhaps that should be saved for when Kawhi and TP comeback and then we can see how the team is.

[DAF86]

In your scenario the 12:01 contract would have gone to Simmons which is the only way I think JSimms would have stayed. Spurs would have avoided sending the sheep into the wolf's den. Magic sold Simmons on a vision and role for himself that he wanted. However, prior to that, his agent was seeking trades for him, at least one of which got leaked out bc it was really close to getting agreed upon. It was leaked that once that trade didn't go through, that's when Simmons' agent asked to be released from the RFA status. So I think Simmons knew what he wanted and the Spurs didn't give it to him. He seemed to have wanted to move on anyways after that, unless he got the 12:01 deal.

Meh, I could have done without him too, tbh. The biggest mistakes were comitting so much money, for so much time to Mills, Aldridge and Gasol. Players who are almost useless against GS.

[TimDunkem]

People keep telling 'Nook to stay off basketball takes but he won't listen smh

:lol No shit. Chalk up another L for Nook.

[DAF86]

And I'm preparing myself for the 30 millions/3 year contract Tony is going to get for his luxury retirement salary.

[TimDunkem]

And I'm preparing myself for the 30 millions/3 year contract Tony is going to get for his luxury retirement salary.

It's inevitable, tbh.

[SupremeGuy]

Seriously. Pop speaking out on important social issues made Kawhi so mad, he jumped up and down and he hurt his quad. Thanks Pop :bangIt shows he's lost focus. His racist ass thinks all black people look the same too.

[james evans]

And I'm preparing myself for the 30 millions/3 year contract Tony is going to get for his luxury retirement salary.
10??? sheeeeit. He's getting more than that

[DAF86]

PATFO need to fix the Pau and Mills situation ASAP. They have handicapped the future of the franchise.

[MultiTroll]

PATFO need to fix the Pau and Mills situation ASAP. They have handicapped the future of the franchise.
Damage done.
Dumbfuck pride convention that is Popped-RC in massive overpay of these two.
Bidding against ourselves. :lmao

Along with giving the bums rush to a couple real nigggggas like Dedmon and Simmons. One can debate forever on how good or not Sims and Ded are, but for the price they are >>>>>>>> Fatty and Gasoft.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah. No fixing the Mills/Pau debacle now. The Spurs are stuck with them...Nor do they mind.

[TheGreatYacht]

This thread :lol

SA didn't get better
First round knockout
Can't win without Kawhi
Continuity means squat
PATFO don't care anymore
Kawhi wants to leave

This is why we wait till games are played folks.
This post gets better by the game :lol

Biggest PATFO cum dumpster on the forum. Only Dex and Bumkin come close

[sasaint]

PATFO need to fix the Pau and Mills situation ASAP. They have handicapped the future of the franchise.

PATFO must get fixed first, tbh.

[TimDunkem]

This post gets better by the game :lol

Biggest PATFO cum dumpster on the forum. Only Dex and Bumkin come close

Don't forget the stalker Jeffrey "tholdren" Dahmer. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Don't forget the stalker Jeffrey "tholdren" Dahmer. :lol
That stalking kept quoting me in the GT despite me never acknowledging him rofl...

[objective]

PATFO need to fix the Pau and Mills situation ASAP. They have handicapped the future of the franchise.

I don't think it's possible workout hamstringing the franchise in other ways. How many unprotected picks just to get off my Mills I wonder? And that doesn't even count for Pau.

They've ruined Kawhi's prime with easily avoidable illogical nonsense.

It's sad and unforgivable.

They controlled their own destiny. They had all their picks. They had cap room coming up if they wanted. They had restricted rights on Simmons. They had proof of why they shouldn't sign Mills and Pau to those deals.

But they screwed it all.

[Chomag]

I'm still calling last off season as one of the worst in spurs franchise history. No wonder Kawai isn't in any hurry to get back. Would you want to come back having to carry these scrubs in your prime? Such a waste...FO failed Kawai big time.

[UZER]

Pop is done. He seems pissed he committed to keep coaching the team for sorry ass LMA.

That's why I think he doesn't give a shit anyone really, hence all the Trump blabbing.

He doesn't want to be on the bench anymore.

[TimDunkem]

I don't think it's possible workout hamstringing the franchise in other ways. How many unprotected picks just to get off my Mills I wonder? And that doesn't even count for Pau.

They've ruined Kawhi's prime with easily avoidable illogical nonsense.

It's sad and unforgivable.

They controlled their own destiny. They had all their picks. They had cap room coming up if they wanted. They had restricted rights on Simmons. They had proof of why they shouldn't sign Mills and Pau to those deals.

But they screwed it all.

That culture tho'.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm still calling last off season as one of the worst in spurs franchise history. No wonder Kawai isn't in any hurry to get back. Would you want to come back too having to carry these scrubs? Such a waste of his prime...FO failed Kawai big time.
Kawhi getting himself primed and ready to dominate the league with Blake Griffin at his side.

[SuperCam]

spurms with the 3rd worst ppg in the whole league, only ahead of tanking kings and bulls :lmao

[TimDunkem]

spurms with the 3rd worst ppg in the whole league, only ahead of tanking kings and bulls :lmao

But Kawhi is going to come back and win the chip by himself in this antiquated offense!

[TheGreatYacht]

spurms with the 3rd worst ppg in the whole league, only ahead of tanking kings and bulls :lmao
1968 offense :lmao

Starting Gasol-Aldridge-Andershit and wonder why you get outran off the gym :lmao

[spursistan]

I don't think it's possible workout hamstringing the franchise in other ways. How many unprotected picks just to get off my Mills I wonder? And that doesn't even count for Pau.

They've ruined Kawhi's prime with easily avoidable illogical nonsense.

It's sad and unforgivable.

They controlled their own destiny. They had all their picks. They had cap room coming up if they wanted. They had restricted rights on Simmons. They had proof of why they shouldn't sign Mills and Pau to those deals.

But they screwed it all.
:tu..

I honestly think last off-season is going to present a watershed in this franchise history down the road (especially if Kawhi bolts, which i think is in play)..What they did simply defied logic..These two POS contracts handed out to Gasol/Mills are worthy of the laughable moves made by sadsacks of bygone era in the mold of Isiah Thomas/Jim Buss (signing/rewarding players based on eye test, reputation, fake leadership etc..)..

They are playing with fire as it'is pretty obvious they are taking Leonard for granted in all of this...

[noles1983]

Operation tank. This season was lost when we resigned Gasol and Patty Mills.

[TheGreatYacht]

Buttercup paper tigers have benefited from a weak ass schedule.

2 wins against the Bulls. A win against the Mavs. A win against the Bobcats. A win against the Suns. A win against the 5-8 Clipps. A win against the Miami SkEAT. A win against a new Wolves team with no chemistry. A win against a fellow paper tiger team in the cRaptors.

All the losses have came to above .500 teams, and the Pacers :lol

[ElNono]

http://i.imgur.com/DG8Uayk.png:"I know what we must do...Lock up Patty."

[Ice009]

would the Spurs have had any money to sign someone decent if they didn't waste it on Mills? or were the Spurs over the cap?

[TheGreatYacht]

would the Spurs have had any money to sign someone decent if they didn't waste it on Mills? or were the Spurs over the cap?
Oh, they had money. If Parker/Green got traded, they would've had money for a super max contract

[TimDunkem]

Oh, they had money. If Parker/Green got traded, they would've had money for a super max contract

Were you one of the posters, along with me, who were laughed at by all the PATFO slurpers when we suggested a guy like Collison, for example, would've brought better value than Patty?

"LOL COLLISON? THAT SCRUB COULDN'T HOLD PATTY'S JOCK! AND THAT CULTURE THO'!"

In reality he and just about every PG in the league is outplaying Patty on cheaper, much friendlier contracts as Patty only shows up against scrub teams (and he's hardly even done that much this season).

Btw, Collison had 30 and 8 tonight and is making less than Patty. :lol

[r0drig0lac]

the teams getting younger and athletic, and SA paying a dwarf SG and a Center of 80 years,sad for Kawhi

[bklynspursfan]

Were you one of the posters, along with me, who were laughed at by all the PATFO slurpers when we suggested a guy like Collison, for example, would've brought better value than Patty?

"LOL COLLISON? THAT SCRUB COULDN'T HOLD PATTY'S JOCK! AND THAT CULTURE THO'!"

In reality he and just about every PG in the league is outplaying Patty on cheaper, much friendlier contracts as Patty only shows up against scrub teams (and he's hardly even done that much this season).

Btw, Collison had 30 and 8 tonight and is making less than Patty. :lol

If collison was brought in, fans ( or anti-spurs fans) would complain about PATFO not playing/developing/Trusting Murray.

People will bitch and whine regardless. It's almost as if we're down 2 starters (1 being our MVP) and people wonder why we are starting slow. Anderson/Forbes/Paul/Green/LMA/Gay have all been pretty good overall , some more than others.

Adding Kawhi to the mix with a healthy TP will only make us better. Also, getting someone like Gay was much bigger than a guy like Collison. We need guys with his size/scoring with the ability to switch everything.

[spursistan]

Games like last night show you the team's capped ceiling:

(a) Besides Kawhi, they don't have another "I-got-this" talent who would have taken over and won it for them when everyone was off their game;

(b) they are no longer that well-oiled machine which could win with a "plug-and-play" operation against superior talent (a fact that the media, still living in 2014, seem to be annoyingly oblivious to as they keep extolling "the system" as they go)..


Aside from the very first game against the same Wolves and Raptors; we lost against about every above average team we met..

Not surprised...

[spursistan]

This front office has enough of inflated cachet and reputation around the league and media that no one is going to ask them to explain the fact they are overseeing a team that doesn't have a starting caliber point-guard since Parker fell off cliff in early 2014..

[SAGirl]

If collison was brought in, fans ( or anti-spurs fans) would complain about PATFO not playing/developing/Trusting Murray.

People will bitch and whine regardless. It's almost as if we're down 2 starters (1 being our MVP) and people wonder why we are starting slow. Anderson/Forbes/Paul/Green/LMA/Gay have all been pretty good overall , some more than others.

Adding Kawhi to the mix with a healthy TP will only make us better. Also, getting someone like Gay was much bigger than a guy like Collison. We need guys with his size/scoring with the ability to switch everything.
Good points.
Team surely misses Kawhi and Tony. I am putting that in context and cheering for whoever shows up. I still don't like that Mills contract. Frankly I hate it. All I can do at this point is just hope that MIlls increases his production and steps up more offensively, which is really his role.

[SAGirl]

This front office has enough of inflated cachet and reputation around the league and media that no one is going to ask them to explain the fact they are overseeing a team that doesn't have a starting caliber point-guard since Parker fell off cliff in early 2014..
This is really the problem they have had. Now it's compounded by manu being 40 and not being able to step up consistently either.

If Tony is brittle/injury prone from now on, team will be in trouble. I don't even know what level of play Tony will have from now on after this injury.

[Ice009]

Were you one of the posters, along with me, who were laughed at by all the PATFO slurpers when we suggested a guy like Collison, for example, would've brought better value than Patty?

"LOL COLLISON? THAT SCRUB COULDN'T HOLD PATTY'S JOCK! AND THAT CULTURE THO'!"

In reality he and just about every PG in the league is outplaying Patty on cheaper, much friendlier contracts as Patty only shows up against scrub teams (and he's hardly even done that much this season).

Btw, Collison had 30 and 8 tonight and is making less than Patty. :lol

I remember someone suggesting Collison and I was interested in taking that option. Not sure if I posted that I liked the idea, but yes, I do remember someone bringing up Collison and most people dismissing the idea.

Someone even mentioned Shelvin Mack, who I would have preferred over Mills too as a place holder for Parker.

[MaNu4Tres]

I remember someone suggesting Collison and I was interested in taking that option. Not sure if I posted that I liked the idea, but yes, I do remember someone bringing up Collison and most people dismissing the idea.

Someone even mentioned Shelvin Mack, who I would have preferred over Mills too as a place holder for Parker.

Yeah, not sure who it was either.


After further thought... if TP is out majority of next year.

This is what I'd prefer.

If Mills commands 12-16 mil per for next 3-4 years. I shake his hand, tell him thank you, give him a hug and say my good byes.

A big part of is how high Spurs are on Murray. Which I think they are very high on him. Spurs need to throw him in the fire, the quicker they do it, the better off the Spurs will be in the long run.

Instead of investing 50 million to Patty, I'd turn my focus on Shelvin Mack. And try to get him on a 1+1 deal or a 2+1 deal for much cheaper.

Murray, Mack, Parker, Forbes


Is this a move that I think takes the Spurs over the Warriors?.. of course not.

This is a move that can maintain the 50 win season streak, help develop the best prospect the Spurs currently have, and it conserves the resources for the summer of 18'. Even with Tony out, I still think it would be a mistake to pay Patty that much money for that long.

Of course there's so many other components to take into account before making end all decisions, such as the situations with Aldridge and Pau.


Yeah, I'm not too much of a fan of Campazzo, I don't think he's as quick as Barea or Thomas, but he's around the same size. I think Mack has a very solid overall game .. in the mold of prime Jacque Vaughn but better, more solid and he has size for a PG.

Spurs just need very solid play to help Murray out for next year or two. I'd prefer going the value route with Mack or Collison than pay Patty 4/50-60.

[spursgu]

The incessant bitching on here by some. Kawhi isn’t even playing you dumb fuck. Of course they will struggle against winning teams.

[dabom]

The incessant bitching on here by some. Kawhi isn’t even playing you dumb fuck. Of course they will struggle against winning teams.

Dam son. Go easy on them. They can't comprehend this. :lol

[dabom]

Any other team besides the Spurs or Warriors that loses their number one Alpha and you would expect a sub .500 team. The fact that it's still a top 4 team in the conference says a lot about this team.

[SpursforSix]

Any other team besides the Spurs or Warriors that loses their number one Alpha and you would expect a sub .500 team. The fact that it's still a top 4 team in the conference says a lot about this team.

:pop: you're welcome

[dabom]

Facts.

[spursistan]

Bump..

This hideous offense keeps on getting uglier with each season and yet this front office continues to sit idle, failing to adderss the major issue with the roster, which is the lack of a starting caliber PG-- a heavy minute primary off the dribble playmaker who can bend the defenses and create looks for others ..

How this rank incompetence from PATFO has gone unnoticed in the media, which still living in 2014, is beyond me..:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

The SG tandem of Danny G-League and Manure Ginose might be the worst in the league. Can't think of any worse. Maybe Bullock and Kennard? Oh shit nvm

[BackHome]

Umm Simmons doesn’t even play for us.

Fuck Mills and Forbes and Green need to be gone next year.

Tony can be traded we traded Sean so dont tell me we can’t trade Tony.

Dude without LMA we are playing for number one lottery pick for years to come

[tholdren]

Bump..

This hideous offense keeps on getting uglier with each season and yet this front office continues to sit idle, failing to adders the major issue of the roster, which is the lack of starting caliber PG-- a heavy minute primary off the dribble playmaker that can bend the defenses and create looks for others ..

How this rank incompetence from PATFO has gone unnoticed in the media, which still living in 2014, is beyond me..:lol

Leonard. Sucks

[timtonymanu]

Just wait until next offseason when Parker re-signs 4 more years for 60 million (or some asinine contract like that).

Warriors front office >>>>>> even if they were gifted Durant, they still picked up Jordan Bell while our draft pick is sitting on the bench watching games. And they keep upgrading and don’t stand pat like the Spurs do.

[SAGirl]

Just wait until next offseason when Parker re-signs 4 more years for 60 million (or some asinine contract like that).

Warriors front office >>>>>> even if they were gifted Durant, they still picked up Jordan Bell while our draft pick is sitting on the bench watching games. And they keep upgrading and don’t stand pat like the Spurs do.

[Hoops Czar]

Umm Simmons doesn’t even play for us.

Fuck Mills and Forbes and Green need to be gone next year.

Tony can be traded we traded Sean so dont tell me we can’t trade Tony.

Dude without LMA we are playing for number one lottery pick for years to come

Are you comparing Sean Elliott to one of the greatest Spurs pg's of all-!time? RC Buford is a do nothing GM that does the bare minimum to collect his paychecks. He's the Joffrey Laughverne of basketball GMs.

[MaNu4Tres]

After further thought... if TP is out majority of next year.

This is what I'd prefer.

If Mills commands 12-16 mil per for next 3-4 years. I shake his hand, tell him thank you, give him a hug and say my good byes.

A big part of is how high Spurs are on Murray. Which I think they are very high on him. Spurs need to throw him in the fire, the quicker they do it, the better off the Spurs will be in the long run.

Instead of investing 50 million to Patty, I'd turn my focus on Shelvin Mack. And try to get him on a 1+1 deal or a 2+1 deal for much cheaper.

Murray, Mack, Parker, Forbes


Is this a move that I think takes the Spurs over the Warriors?.. of course not.

This is a move that can maintain the 50 win season streak, help develop the best prospect the Spurs currently have, and it conserves the resources for the summer of 18'. Even with Tony out, I still think it would be a mistake to pay Patty that much money for that long.

Of course there's so many other components to take into account before making end all decisions, such as the situations with Aldridge and Pau.


Yeah, I'm not too much of a fan of Campazzo, I don't think he's as quick as Barea or Thomas, but he's around the same size. I think Mack has a very solid overall game .. in the mold of prime Jacque Vaughn but better, more solid and he has size for a PG.

Spurs just need very solid play to help Murray out for next year or two. I'd prefer going the value route with Mack or Collison than pay Patty 4/50-60.

Frustrating to see how the Front Office shit the bed this past summer. From overlooking Jordan Bell to get an 8th guard on the depth chart on draft night, to paying Eddie House 50 million...two huge mistakes.. smh.

[Ice009]

Ahh, I remember someone saying to go with Mack or Collison. Couldn't remember who it was though, but I definitely agreed with that when I first saw it posted, especially as I did not want to re-sign Mills at any price let alone what the Spurs paid him.

[TD 21]

Bump..


This hideous offense keeps on getting uglier with each season and yet this front office continues to sit idle, failing to adderss the major issue with the roster, which is the lack of a starting caliber PG-- a heavy minute primary off the dribble playmaker who can bend the defenses and create looks for others ..

How this rank incompetence from PATFO has gone unnoticed in the media, which still living in 2014, is beyond me..:lol

I know he was charged with domestic violence, but they more than likely could have had Collison for 2/$20M or traded Mills and Murray for Bledsoe.

It's NBA sacrilege to so much as suggest Spurs have become archaic, yet I've seen plenty of banged up teams score with relative ease because they've adopted pace and space, while Spurs (healthy starting lineup in particular) continue their slow, ISO heavy, 3 phobic, paralysis by analysis routine for the 4th straight season.

People praise them for their player development, but Leonard has failed to show tangible improvement as a pick-and-roll play maker and Murray continues to look flat out uninterested in shooting a jumper. These are arguably the 2 most important developments for this team going forward.



Ahh, I remember someone saying to go with Mack or Collison. Couldn't remember who it was though, but I definitely agreed with that when I first saw it posted, especially as I did not want to re-sign Mills at any price let alone what the Spurs paid him.

It was the guy who posted about you.

[SuperCam]

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Other teams making moves for promising young talent for cheap while PATFO stands pat again :bang

[spursistan]

Bump..

As good as he is, Kawhi still doesn't yet belong to Lebron stratosphere as far as making teammate better-- someone whose obscene would cause a team to completely fall part..

This team shouldn't be missing the playoffs with how well Aldridge has played this season. And it is not like the teams they are going to lose out to like Pelicans or the Nuggets have been injury-free..

This is why the buck should stop with Pop and his crew-- both from coaching standpoint and roster construction. It is on them. They have screwed the pooch last summer..

[tbdog]

Spurs have missed a 175 games to injuries this season. We have no identity at all. We have changed our starting lineup twice. Our bench is all over the place.

[r0drig0lac]

Bump..

As good as he is, Kawhi still doesn't yet belong to Lebron stratosphere as far as making teammate better-- someone whose obscene would cause a team to completely fall part..

This team shouldn't be missing the playoffs with how well Aldridge has played this season. And it is not like the teams they are going to lose out to like Pelicans or the Nuggets have been injury-free..

This is why the buck should stop with Pop and his crew-- both from coaching standpoint and roster construction. It is on them. They have screwed the pooch last summer..
exact
This team was never built around Kawhi, it was built around Pop (unfortunately with the "culture" included), and with Kawhi's injury he showed his flaws now that the schedule is getting harder

[tholdren]

exact
This team was never built around Kawhi, it was built around Pop (unfortunately with the "culture" included), and with Kawhi's injury he showed his flaws now that the schedule is getting harder

Cry

[spursistan]

Apparently this is their rationale for these head-scratching deals..

From Lowe piece today..

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I remember debating the Pau Gasol signing with a Spurs official two summers ago. I was underwhelmed. He was astonished anyone could feel that way about even the creaky, aging version of Gasol. "He knows how to play," the official said. He kept repeating that. He seemed confused that I didn't find "knowing how to play" a super-compelling reason to sign someone.

PATFO are learning the hard way the difference between "guys who know how to play" and "guys who can play"..


This philosophical outlook has been shredded into pieces this season..Talent-- with versatility and athleticism-- still paramount in this league..

[SAGirl]

PATFO are learning the hard way the difference between "guys who know how to play" and "guys who can play"..


This philosophical outlook has been shredded into pieces this season..Talent-- with versatility and athleticism-- still paramount in this league..
It’s a shame. Don’t you get the feeling Pop said he had tried to change Aldridge and turn him into Sikma or something (I don’t know who?) abd was at the time frustrated? Signing Gasol to teach Aldridge how to play is a Pop thing to do... Gasol in his prime had the game Pop likes in a big. He can no longer compete against good teams and that’s what you mean by guys who can play... I am sure if Kiwi had played all season he would mask that enough. Not saying that as a good thing btw.

[K...]

PATFO are learning the hard way the difference between "guys who know how to play" and "guys who can play"..


This philosophical outlook has been shredded into pieces this season..Talent-- with versatility and athleticism-- still paramount in this league..

who besides GSW and Houston have this mythical "talent"? are you advocating a deep tank?

[spursistan]

who besides GSW and Houston have this mythical "talent"? are you advocating a deep tank?
Doesn't mean strictly high-end talent. The talent of role-players has to be multi-faceted too. The money attached to both Pau/Mills for the evidence we have had of how both players stacked up against/in the Rockets/Warriors matchup (Pau was getting raped against latter since his Bulls days) is absolutely mind boggling.

This was clearly one of those instances where Pop/RC didn't even bother with any feedback from team scouts and the analytics department. It is just the type of guys they like..

[SAGirl]

Doesn't mean strictly high-end talent. The talent of role-players has to be multi-faceted too. The money attached to both Pau/Mills for the evidence we have had of how both players stacked up against/in the Rockets/Warriors matchup (Pau was getting raped against latter since his Bulls days) is absolutely mind boggling.

This was clearly one of those instances where Pop/RC didn't even bother with any feedback from team scouts and the analytics department. It is just the type of guys they like..
:tu exactly. Pau was leading Chicago to the lottery his last season there while still complaining about his minutes, starting, and in a team that had Jimmy Butler still. Pop just liked his game.

[MaNu4Tres]

WCF is a great feat but lets put some context into the equation. The NBA and the West was watered down compared to other years. Houston was the only decent threat and Spurs struggled to get past Memphis.

So based on the results of beating Memphis & HOU in 6 games, that means everything is just great as is? Complacency with re-signing parts that dont move the needle will be the reason this team doesnt progress -- all while most other WC teams are doing everything they can to make gains on the Warriors.

Spurs standing pat and overpaying (overpaying due to context of crowded PG situation) to keep an expendable piece because of culture, while others are relentlessly trying to climb will be the reason other teams leap over the Spurs in the West the next 1-3 years.

Spurs should never be content or satisfied, but it seems to me they overvalue continuity and culture. It worked when they had 3 hall of famers in the prime of their career always steering the ship, but those days are long gone.

Overpaying niche role players that cant defend 98 million as if they were the reasons why Spurs won 60 games...One could argue that Simmons & Dedmon were more important to their success last year as they were able to matchup better against the best teams..yet those two are gone...And these two were the ones Spurs locked down for 98 million for 3-4 years? Pathetic decisions. Pattys deal is the worst deal they've ever given out. At least with Rasho & RJ they had no depth at those positions & filled a need in the starting lineup.

Sad times.

[Chomag]

(FO suckers all year)But but.. Spurs are 3rd in the west stop complaining!

[TimDunkem]

Overpaying niche role players that cant defend 98 million as if they were the reasons why Spurs won 60 games...One could argue that Simmons & Dedmon were more important to their success last year as they were able to matchup better against the best teams..yet those two are gone...And these two were the ones Spurs locked down for 98 million for 3-4 years? Pathetic decisions. Pattys deal is the worst deal they've ever given out. At least with Rasho & RJ they had no depth at those positions & filled a need in the starting lineup.

Sad times.

Not to mention last year was a Kawhi led offense. Even if Kawhi comes back, things will be difficult running a heavy antiquated post-up fadeaway jumper offense.

Kawhi is going to have to take some of LaMah Touches shots again to give the team even the smallest of chances, and who knows what happens with the 6'11 diva then.