Woj: Pau Gasol Agrees to 3-yr Deal w/ Spurs

[SPURt]

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[apalisoc_9]

Notice how he spoke in spanish in his tweet.

These beaners are so inlove with these people...

Like a spaniard would even think positiviley of a mexican

:lmao

[MultiTroll]

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[MultiTroll]

:lmao but Dedmon can't be signed.

[tonight...you]

I punched your wife tbh
You couldn't even bring yourself to hit a woman, you little bitch and a half.

[Spurs9]

:lmao but Dedmon can't be signed.
Or Simmons to only like 8 million :lol
:pop: We need vets Simmons is embarassing this team with his dunks

[TimDunkem]

You couldn't even bring yourself to hit a woman, you little bitch and a half.
He couldn't even bring himself to throw a punch with his twiggy, rice fed Libyan arms.

[TimDunkem]

*Twiggy, rice fed Algerian arms

[Dverde]

There is no hope only Pau.

[CGD]

You're off by only $7mm per year

BAD contract

Damn! Way off, haha. But then again who expected this.

[$pursDynasty]

This has to be a typo. I would rather pay him 20 millions on a one year deal.

[apalisoc_9]

I was fine with letting simmons go..really didn't care for him but now that we get this deal with Pau Gasol...wow.

Ridiculuous. How come are they willing to pay 16 million to a nonplayable player against the best teams but won't even give someome like simmons 9 million.

It boggles my mind...

[objective]

A disgrace.

This is the worst off season in the Robinson+ era.

They're a first round loser and won't have the cap room to improve, because they're locking up 30% of the cap in non starters.

Pathetic.

[DPG21920]

Holy sh*t I was way off :lol

[Hoops Czar]

A disgrace.

This is the worst off season in the Robinson+ era.

They're a first round loser and won't have the cap room to improve, because they're locking up 30% of the cap in non starters.

Pathetic.

[apalisoc_9]

I think even all the opposities in the Spurstalk..All the posters that hate other can agree with this.

It's mind boggling.

At this point, they must be paying players to get people to watch games (san antonio locals)

Never liked simmoms but to let him go so you can give Pau 16 million..unreal.

Ginobili is probably getting something ridiculous too.

[tbdog]

This is awful. I would have thought it was going to be 10 mil a year with third year being 1 mil guaranteed.

[SAGirl]

I was fine with letting simmons go..really didn't care for him but now that we get this deal with Pau Gasol...wow.

Ridiculuous. How come are they willing to pay 16 million to a nonplayable player against the best teams but won't even give someome like simmons 9 million.

It boggles my mind...


A disgrace.

This is the worst off season in the Robinson+ era.

They're a first round loser and won't have the cap room to improve, because they're locking up 30% of the cap in non starters.

Pathetic.

I was going to mention precisely the fact that Patty and Pau are really bench players, or were... unless they project to be starters in the future Spurs these contracts don't make sense. And that is just discussing the financial aspect... not quality or whatever. For two bench players? That is fricking too much. I had even rationalized that Patty's deal was 6th man quality etc... but him plus Pau? wth?

[John B]

16 mil in 2 yrs maybe? 3rd year player option? Had to be a typo.

[SAGirl]

I think even all the opposities in the Spurstalk..All the posters that hate other can agree with this.

It's mind boggling.

At this point, they must be paying players to get people to watch games (san antonio locals)

Never liked simmoms but to let him go so you can give Pau 16 million..unreal.

Ginobili is probably getting something ridiculous too.

I am starting to think Spurs were going to pay Simmons too, at least the same he would have gotten in Orlando. It really was Simmons who wanted out of the team to "spread his wings."
RC didn't make him any offer to start FA though, and in doing that probably angered him a little, which was a further factor in pushing him away.

[pad300]

I think this is a terrible contract and a massive overpay (I would have offered either 18.6M$/1yr - a 20% raise through non-bird rights),

However, they are doing something that's either clever or stupid with the CBA here:

The over 38 rule: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q56

I don't understand it, but a bunch of that salary counts forward into this years cap... Which a) makes him a trade bait that can eat any kind of salary, and b) I'm not clear how much cap hold he takes in each year if he stays...

[CGD]

The more I think about, it's not terrible if most of the last year is non-guaranteed. He gets made whole for this season, and gets a second season at probably 3-4M more than he'd probably get in the open market for being a team player and opting out. Not his fault the Spurs couldn't use the flexibility to bring someone in.

That last year is a nice trade peice to make salaries work in a trade. Also makes me think they'll continue to shop LMA over the course of the year.

[jermaine]

Tim Duncan payroll:

Age 37: $10,361,446.
Age 38: $10,000,000.
Age 39: $5,000,000.



Pau Gasol payroll:

Age 37: $16M
Age 38: $16M
Age 39: $16M (partially guaranteed)







Does not compute.

Does not compute.

Doesnoteacompa;wt/aerytl;pa;oh

Wait.... wait... wait... I'm not bashing him cuz I do feel he's skilled. But am I missimissing something here? WHAT THE FUCK has he done to deserve that much money?? More than the GOAT of pf's!?! They must be bout to trade this niggas contract or something... Everyone was saying how the Spurs got him to opt out that big contract. Just to get a bigger 1. An more than Timmy at his age.

[bklynspursfan]

Wait.... wait... wait... I'm not bashing him cuz I do feel he's skilled. But am I missimissing something here? WHAT THE FUCK has he done to deserve that much money?? More than the GOAT of pf's!?! They must be bout to trade this niggas contract or something... Everyone was saying how the Spurs got him to opt out that big contract. Just to get a bigger 1. An more than Timmy at his age.

Last summer when Conley got his contract, he joined Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant as the only players in NBA history to make more than $30 million a year..

It's just something that'll likely continue to happen. Doesn't mean this person was better or did more than some of these GOAT's, just more money to give these days

[SpursforSix]

Last summer when Conley got his contract, he joined Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant as the only players in NBA history to make more than $30 million a year..

It's just something that'll likely continue to happen. Doesn't mean this person was better or did more than some of these GOAT's, just more money to give these days

Yeah...but $16,000,000...and another $16,000,000...and some more

[alfahdlan]

Are we seeing a discount when we sign Mark Gasol next year?

[ElNono]

If it's for the minimum, why not?

[SpursforSix]

Kyrie: "uh...about my preferences..."

[SpursforSix]

:pop: sorry Claw...I don't know where your money went

[024]

Ok I resisted criticizing PATFO too much this offseason. Patty was an overpay of 3-4 million/yr, that I could live with. Let Simmons and Dedmon walk? Sure, I like the idea of preserving 2018 cap space.

Have Pau opt out of a 16 million contract to just give him another 16 million next year, eating up cap space?!?!? Wtf?? When someone opts out of a contract for a longer term deal, youre supposed to pay him less, not more. The Spurs just replaced one bad contract coming off the books (parker's) with another.

All the Spurs had to do was wait for Gasol's contract to expire and they could have signed him for cheap next year if they wanted to keep him. One more year of playing time and gasol's value will continue plummeting. Not only is his speed and defense useless in today's NBA but he's also old as fuck too. What the fuck.

PATFO dug themselves into a big hole by drafting poorly ever since Leonard/CJ. Now they are trying to plug holes by overpaying 37 year olds?? This is beyond stupid and I have no idea what they are doing anymore.

And why the fuck is spurstalk still on the malicious website list? Had to type this entire rant on my phone. Did the owners sell this site and moved the servers to eastern europe??

[Hoops Czar]

Last summer when Conley got his contract, he joined Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant as the only players in NBA history to make more than $30 million a year..

It's just something that'll likely continue to happen. Doesn't mean this person was better or did more than some of these GOAT's, just more money to give these days

You need to be a brain dead GM to have a guy opt out his 1 year/$16M contract only to resign for three more years at the exact same price he opted out of. RC completely sabotaged the Spurs for the next three years.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

To make this more interesting:

If I'm reading the 'apron' rules around the lux tax threshold correctly, then theoretically this could be done as part of a deal to get us Kyrie. If my math's right, a package of Gasol + Green + Murray + Anderson for Kyrie would satisfy the requirements for getting Cleveland below the apron (just barely).

[SpursforSix]

You need to be a brain dead GM to have a guy opt out his 1 year/$16M contract only to resign for three more years at the exact same price he opted out of. RC completely sabotaged the Spurs for the next three years.

It'll be a lot longer than three years that this fucks the Spurs.

[Hoops Czar]

To make this more interesting:

If I'm reading the 'apron' rules around the lux tax threshold correctly, then theoretically this could be done as part of a deal to get us Kyrie. If my math's right, a package of Gasol + Green + Murray + Anderson for Kyrie would satisfy the requirements for getting Cleveland below the apron (just barely).

You'd have to ask yourself why the hell Cleveland would even consider that trade? Spurstalk posts are getting more ridiculous by the second. I've never seen anything quite like it.

[pad300]

I am not sure that the Pau Gasol reported contract can be right. The max we could pay him was a 20% raise over last years 15.5 Million (non bird FA rights). That's $18.6 million. He's in the over 38 rule with a 3 yr contract, which pushes the salary for the years after 38 forward in the contract for cap space purposes.
The over 38 rule:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q56

But the resulting contract still has to fit in the space we have available - $18.6 Million. At $16M starting, any portion of it pushed forward pushes outside what the Spurs can offer... It's the same ruling that bit Nene. Something is off here.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You'd have to ask yourself why the hell Cleveland would even consider that trade? Spurstalk posts are getting more ridiculous by the second. I've never seen anything quite like it.

I agree it's ridiculous, just trying to make the math work. Ignoring basketball sense.

[spurs1990]

Firstly, Gasol has skyrocketed to my most hated Spurs player since I've been a fan.

I hate his play, his contract, and the fact that they brought him in after he turned them down four years ago to chase money in Chicago.

Now, since we have this over-the-hill eye sore for at least two years, I'm hoping the bulk of the contract is for this upcoming year, very little for year two, and the remaining in that 3rd non-guaranteed year.

So something like this:

$20m 2017-2018
$10m 2018-2019
$18m 2019-2020

The goal being to have a s-ton of cap room summer of 2018 to lure James and/or another worthy top-shelf player.

So just to recap - F you Pau Gasol, and F every Spurs management figure who brought this guy in at age 37 last year.

[apalisoc_9]

The lation deal...RC drunkford...

[vander]

I feel a little bit sick. this is definitely the worst offseason I can remember and there is no hope that the Spurs will contend for a title in the next 3 years

I won't blame Kawhi for leaving

[pad300]

To make this more interesting:

If I'm reading the 'apron' rules around the lux tax threshold correctly, then theoretically this could be done as part of a deal to get us Kyrie. If my math's right, a package of Gasol + Green + Murray + Anderson for Kyrie would satisfy the requirements for getting Cleveland below the apron (just barely).

How does this get Cle below the apron? Kyrie is on $18.8 Million this year, http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland_cavaliers/ You could trade this Pau contract for him straight up. Adding ~13.5 Million in salary (Green, Murray & Anderson) does what for them? Hell, if I'm reading the over 38 rule right, this 3/$48M contract is worth something like 24 million in capspace in year 1, because the 3ed year gets spread over the first 2... Hell, the spurs could take back something like $30M for Pau's contract ???

[Hoops Czar]

How does this get Cle below the apron? Kyrie is on $18.8 Million this year, http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland_cavaliers/ You could trade this Pau contract for him straight up. Adding ~13.5 Million in salary (Green, Murray & Anderson) does what for them? Hell, if I'm reading the over 38 rule right, this 3/$48M contract is worth something like 24 million in capspace in year 1, because the 3ed year gets spread over the first 2... Hell, the spurs could take back something like $30M for Pau's contract ???

Doesn't the over 38 rule only apply to the MLE? I Don't think it has anything to do with paying a player using cap space.

[apalisoc_9]

Doesn't the over 38 rule only apply to the MLE? I Don't think it has anything to do with paying a player using cap space.

How much fo you think the other latino gets?

This place would explode of he gets anything over 6. :lol

[Chinook]

So what's the cap space looking like next year Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

I wanna say not horrible, but Gasol's deal is insane.

[Chinook]

I am not sure that the Pau Gasol reported contract can be right. The max we could pay him was a 20% raise over last years 15.5 Million (non bird FA rights). That's $18.6 million. He's in the over 38 rule with a 3 yr contract, which pushes the salary for the years after 38 forward in the contract for cap space purposes.
The over 38 rule:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q56

But the resulting contract still has to fit in the space we have available - $18.6 Million. At $16M starting, any portion of it pushed forward pushes outside what the Spurs can offer... It's the same ruling that bit Nene. Something is off here.

You linked to a section saying the deal has to be for four or five years. Gasol's deal doesn't apply.

[BillMc]

I'm guessing he did the team a favor and opted out so they could land a big FA (probably Chris Paul). When that didn't happen (partially because of the LMA thing, mostly because of other factors) there was no reason for Pau to take the cut, and the Spurs gave him his money.

Doing right by their players counts for something too. Not smart necessarily, but admirable.

[MannyIsGod]

What in the actual fuck. Why? This contract makes zero sense and is fucking outrageous.

[TheGreatYacht]

Firstly, Gasol has skyrocketed to my most hated Spurs player since I've been a fan.

I hate his play, his contract, and the fact that they brought him in after he turned them down four years ago to chase money in Chicago.

Now, since we have this over-the-hill eye sore for at least two years, I'm hoping the bulk of the contract is for this upcoming year, very little for year two, and the remaining in that 3rd non-guaranteed year.

So something like this:

$20m 2017-2018
$10m 2018-2019
$18m 2019-2020

The goal being to have a s-ton of cap room summer of 2018 to lure James and/or another worthy top-shelf player.

So just to recap - F you Pau Gasol, and F every Spurs management figure who brought this guy in at age 37 last year.
:lol It's not Gasol you should hate....

It's the drunk fuck running this ship

[MannyIsGod]

I would have been a bit annoyed at anything above 30 mil but 48 fucking million makes absolutely zero sense.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm guessing he did the team a favor and opted out so they could land a big FA (probably Chris Paul). When that didn't happen (partially because of the LMA thing, mostly because of other factors) there was no reason for Pau to take the cut, and the Spurs gave him his money.

Doing right by their players counts for something too. Not smart necessarily, but admirable.

There's next summer's salary cap flexibility as a reason why. And with this sorry contract, he'll still be around.

[baseline bum]

889601791817416704

Holy fuck someone get Buford into AA asap

[BillMc]

Probably a sign LMA is gone and Spurs need to secure a skilled big. Pau's agent probably knew that gave them leverage and used it.

So, in the end, LMA's whiny leavin' ass hurt us in multiple ways.

[baseline bum]

Fucking hell, $48 million for this piece of shit. I thought the whole point of coming to terms with a long term deal to get him to opt out of his one year deal was a lower contract per year. So much for rebuilding this team next year with $98 million pissed away on Mills + Gasol.

[Hoops Czar]

How much fo you think the other latino gets?

This place would explode of he gets anything over 6. :lol

:lmao Yeah, luckily though there was a tweet a while back saying he was going to sign for the BAE.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi pretty soon in his Tahoe

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ot2L9tbvGjI/Ufh1_QvL1SI/AAAAAAAA21w/AR0pofJwZR8/s1600/Lincoln++CA+to+Leander++TX+++Google+Maps.png

[poop]

Speechless....

[baseline bum]

Who the fuck were the Spurs bidding against when they offered that $48 million contract?

[baseline bum]

I mean what the fuck is RC going to do next? Trade Kawhi to New York for Melo?

[emanueldavidginobili]

98 mil for Patty and Pau, sickening

[vy65]

Wonder if RC has to turn in his token once Pau signs the contract?

[baseline bum]

Ah fuck I'm not even going to go to any game next year since I'd probably piss everyone off in my section by booing Gasol every time he touched the ball.

[Dverde]

I like drunk RC over this version.

[RD2191]

Kawhi pretty soon in his Tahoe

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ot2L9tbvGjI/Ufh1_QvL1SI/AAAAAAAA21w/AR0pofJwZR8/s1600/Lincoln++CA+to+Leander++TX+++Google+Maps.png

:lmao

[spurs1990]

Team payroll for 2018-2019 assuming the worst and Gasol getting $16m:

$22.3m Aldridge (player option)
$20.1m Leonard
$16m Gasol
$12.5m Mills
$10m Green (player option)
$8.8m Gay (player option)
$5m White, Murray, Duncan
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/SAS.html

That's $94 million if no one opts out, but I would expect Aldridge, Green, and Gay to do so- taking off $41m.

And it we are lucky and Gasol is front loaded, then Spurs will have more than $50 million to play with next summer.

Should be enough to pay James, George, or Westbrook to team up with Leonard.

[baseline bum]

Fatty Mills and Pau Gasoft for fucking $98 million. Holy fuck.

[Mugen]

I can't wait what drunk ass RC gives Porky next offseason. Holy fucking shit what a terrible way to cap the summer tbh.

[baseline bum]

I can't wait what drunk ass RC gives Porky next offseason. Holy fucking shit what a terrible way to cap the summer tbh.

Prob 3 years, $85 million

[DPG21920]

To the crowd that keeps saying Pau opted out and would have taken less if CP3 was signed - that is true. What makes no sense is that because it didn't work out that he now gets 3x the money at the same rate for giving SA that flexibility.

I mean wtf. It seems like Pau said I will opt out and take less money if it means winning but if that doesn't happen I want a lot of money or Im not going to give you that flexibility.

For SA to agree to that though and so badly miscalculate their odds at landing CP3 (who didn't even hit free agency :lmao) is ridiculous.

[Keepin' it real]

:lobt2:

[baseline bum]

I mean fuck this team for mortgaging their future for useless Pau Gasol.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I can't wait what drunk ass RC gives Porky next offseason. Holy fucking shit what a terrible way to cap the summer tbh.

And $20 million per for Verde. :/

[emanueldavidginobili]

This makes absolutely no sense!!! He's 37!!!!!

[ducks]

The math is wrong can not be 48

[NASpurs]

Peter Holt must be spinning in his grave knowing what RC Drunkford is doing with his money.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

No fucking way this shit is 48 million

[BillMc]

To the crowd that keeps saying Pau opted out and would have taken less if CP3 was signed - that is true. What makes no sense is that because it didn't work out that he now gets 3x the money at the same rate for giving SA that flexibility.

I mean wtf. It seems like Pau said I will opt out and take less money if it means winning but if that doesn't happen I want a lot of money or Im not going to give you that flexibility.

For SA to agree to that though and so badly miscalculate their odds at landing CP3 (who didn't even hit free agency :lmao) is ridiculous.


As you say, they may have gambled a bit here. (Which is something ST always wants RC to do, right?) But here's the downside of gambling. You usually lose. In order to get Pau to opt out to roll the dice for CP3, they had to entice him with a big payday if they didn't get it. Now, they had to stay true to their word.

LMA really hurt us on several fronts here. 1) He killed the chances of landing a big name FA by showing he wanted out and making the Spurs a lot less attractive. 2) The Spurs became desperate for skilled big men, and Pau's people knew it.

[vy65]

To the crowd that keeps saying Pau opted out and would have taken less if CP3 was signed - that is true. What makes no sense is that because it didn't work out that he now gets 3x the money at the same rate for giving SA that flexibility.

I mean wtf. It seems like Pau said I will opt out and take less money if it means winning but if that doesn't happen I want a lot of money or Im not going to give you that flexibility.

For SA to agree to that though and so badly miscalculate their odds at landing CP3 (who didn't even hit free agency :lmao) is ridiculous.

There was a Lou Williams or PBev tweet that essentially said that the CP3 deal had been in the works for at least two weeks. How could PATFO be so clueless as to think they had a shot when CP3 to Houston was done before we even had a shot at him? Scary that PATFO would be so out of the loop on that, and sad that the consequences to that are this beyond-ridiculous deal.

[baseline bum]

This is the equivalent of extending Steve Smith in 2002. I don't care if you're forced to play Forbes at the center, you don't give $48 million to a 37 year-old piece of shit like Pau Gasol.

[apalisoc_9]

Ah fuck I'm not even going to go to any game next year since I'd probably piss everyone off in my section by booing Gasol every time he touched the ball.

He speaks spanish bro..

Didn't you know this White Spanish player whose ancestor is responsible for the deaths of thousand pf wetbacks..didn't you know we are "culturally" the same...Always lol at brown mexica s thinking like that.

I bet the other latino gets something ridiculous

[DPG21920]

As you say, they may have gambled a bit here. (Which is something ST always wants RC to do, right?) But here's the downside of gambling. You usually lose. In order to get Pau to opt out to roll the dice for CP3, they had to entice him with a big payday if they didn't get it. Now, they had to stay true to their word.

LMA really hurt us on several fronts here. 1) He killed the chances of landing a big name FA by showing he wanted out and making the Spurs a lot less attractive. 2) The Spurs became desperate for skilled big men, and Pau's people knew it.

Dont think it was desperation. This stuff was agreed to for a while I believe and Pau didn't take any other meetings. If SA wanted to they could have told Pau to walk and he would have no money.

It was more of what appears to be a horrific miscalculation on SA's part with regards to their chances on CP and agreeing to those terms with Pau.

OR? Who knows, maybe there is some logic to this. I dont care about his money this year - it's irrelevant. But year 2 and 3 are what will be key in seeing the final numbers.

[apalisoc_9]

Someone photoshop kawhi into a Tahoe driving to LA :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi pretty soon in his Tahoe

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ot2L9tbvGjI/Ufh1_QvL1SI/AAAAAAAA21w/AR0pofJwZR8/s1600/Lincoln++CA+to+Leander++TX+++Google+Maps.png

You got any photoshop skills bro :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi's season is only thing that matters next year. If senile pop even dares to ruin his MVP candidacy after this shitshow...

Kawhi should just demand a trade.

[TheGreatYacht]

You got any photoshop skills bro :lol
:lol I wish
TimDunkem & TheDoctor (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49616) do though

[baseline bum]

Remember when we used to laugh at Laker fans for the Mozgov signing?

[timtonymanu]

Jesus fuck what a terrible offseason. When broken Rudy Gay is your best signing you know you fucked up. Looks like PATFO bought into the :cry buh buh if Kawhi didn't go down in the WCF theory, that they didn't bother addressing the issues the team already had last year. It's gonna be tough to root for a lot of players on this team next season.

[timtonymanu]

If kawhi stays, credit to his loyalty. PATFO just continues to show how overrated they've been the last few years, it's been a train wreck since 2014 ended.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:lmao:lmao:lmao for an aging soft center who can't play a lick of defense. This is officially the most embarrassing offseason for PATFO ever. Holy shit

[apalisoc_9]

If kawhi stays, credit to his loyalty. PATFO just continues to show how overrated they've been the last few years, it's been a train wreck since 2014 ended.

Dont fool yourself.

This team was carried by Duncan and now Kawhicheal.

Only differences Kawhicheal mever gets credit while poop and RC gets all the credit because they hate trump...

[baseline bum]

Jesus fuck what a terrible offseason. When broken Rudy Gay is your best signing you know you fucked up. Looks like PATFO bought into the :cry buh buh if Kawhi didn't go down in the WCF theory, that they didn't bother addressing the issues the team already had last year. It's gonna be tough to root for a lot of players on this team next season.

No shit, I fucking hated the Rudy Gay signing before I read he tore his achilles. Now the Spurs are going to have about $38 million in dead weight between Gasol/Mills/Gay hanging around their necks next summer when they're supposed to be rebuilding the team for the future.

[apalisoc_9]

:lol I wish
TimDunkem & TheDoctor (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49616) do though
TIM_Dunken TheDoctor

[apalisoc_9]

Ducks going tp delete this thread soon :lol

[baseline bum]

Gasol playing chess while RC playing with his poop.

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao:lmao:lmao for an aging soft center who can't play a lick of defense. This is officially the most embarrassing offseason for PATFO ever. Holy shit

But PATFO so smart..8th best offseason :cry

[baseline bum]

So next summer Kyle Anderson 4 years, $52 million? Tony Parker 3 years, $80 million?

[timtonymanu]

The defending champions Golden State still added two shooters and Jordan Bell.
The Rockets got better. The Thunder addressed their needs.

What did we do? Signed a lot of tiny guards, none of them that play defense. Brought back the laziest big man duo on the Spurs.. Signed a broken Rudy Gay, signed Joffrey Lannister. And now we have even less money for next offseason. Is Pop just mailing it in before he retires?

[baseline bum]

The defending champions Golden State still added two shooters and Jordan Bell.
The Rockets got better. The Thunder addressed their needs.

What did we do? Signed a lot of tiny guards, none of them that play defense. Brought back the laziest big man duo on the Spurs.. Signed a broken Rudy Gay, signed Joffrey Lannister. And now we have even less money for next offseason. Is Pop just mailing it in before he retires?

Man I won't even be mad if Kawhi walks. Just like I thought Cleveland fan should have never been mad about LeBron leaving after seeing the shit supporting cast they put around him.

[Robz4000]

All these faggots who suck off Pop and RC need to try and explain this one

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Can't wait for the "Spurs still second best in the West, nobody else improved"

Kawhi is definitely leaving next summer, no fucking way will this decrepit roster be worth sticking around for.

[timtonymanu]

So next summer Kyle Anderson 4 years, $52 million? Tony Parker 3 years, $80 million?

Bryn Forbes 4 year, 40 million contract extension

[baseline bum]

About the only positive I can see for this offseason is at least they didn't trade for Rubio.

[vy65]

Crofl those pounding the rock PATFO apologists on Twitter

[SAGirl]

Probably a sign LMA is gone and Spurs need to secure a skilled big. Pau's agent probably knew that gave them leverage and used it.

So, in the end, LMA's whiny leavin' ass hurt us in multiple ways.

agreed.

[apalisoc_9]

Crofl those pounding the rock PATFO apologists on Twitter

Link to tweets?

Omg I am laughing now and I havent even read any of them. :lmao

[Ice009]

WOW. WOW. WOW. JUST READ THIS SHIT NOW. I was furious with the Mills contract, but now I need to go away from Basketball and not even think about it for a long while.

I'm still a Spurs fan, but get your ass out of there if you want to win, Kawhi. You're not going to win anything with this front office that has relied on getting lucky with the lottery and then getting lucky with late picks to win Championships. They've fed off of greatness. If they have to build a team from scratch without getting lucky, they have no clue who to sign and for what amount of money.

[Robz4000]

God I'm nauseous. Just when I thought PATFO couldn't sink any lower. How can anyone defend them at this point? I won't blame Kawhi one bit when he bails in a year.

[Ice009]

Kawhi should ask for a trade to the Cavs. The Spurs can have Irving. That's about all they deserve at this point.

After seeing this contract, they're not even close to being in the running for Irving. This contract pretty much proves that.

[SAGirl]

All I can think of is that the LMA trade is going down and the Spurs needed to secure a skilled big. Same thing BillMc is saying. Otherwise?

[Atl Spur]

Please sticky this thread; total meltdowns!! Lol

[SAGirl]

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/21/defining-matchup-david-west-warriors-took-advantage-of-spurs-pau-gasol/
Titled defining match-up: David West took advantage of Pau GAsol


There were always two reasons, primarily, that the Spurs don’t matchup well with the Warriors. Those reasons are called LaMarcus Aldridge and Pau Gasol. There was a notion that size and physicality would hurt the Warriors. But the truth is speed and athleticism hurts the Warriors. Size doesn’t quite give the Warriors fits. And Gasol especially doesn’t.


West won the matchup. Gasol looked older than 36 and though he had 12 points and 10 rebounds in 20-plus minutes, he was a liability on the defensive end. He was exploited by the Warriors, creating the openings for Durant. David West — who had six points, four rebounds and five assists in just shy of 18 minutes — helped facilitate the exploiting of Gasol.

This is why the David Lee injury hurt the Spurs. San Antonio has no option but to play Gasol — who despite his good-looking numbers, aided by a couple tip-ins was a minus-8, the worst of all Spurs reserves. West was a plus-6.

[SAGirl]

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[Barfunk]

Lol, you guys are scaring me. Do y'all honestly think it's a real possibility that Kawhi leaves eventually? Serious question. If he leaves, this franchise is fucked.

[Robz4000]

Lol, you guys are scaring me. Do y'all honestly think it's a real possibility that Kawhi leaves eventually? Serious question. If he leaves, this franchise is fucked.

Definitely a real possibility. He sees all these loyalty contracts being handed out but no loyalty being given to himself.

[NASpurs]

889647061024608263

Declining player options to sign even bigger contracts with the Spurs. Max slot means shit with the way things have transpired this season. They're passing loyalty contracts like they're going out of style, what's the point of having a max slot.

[Barfunk]

Definitely a real possibility. He sees all these loyalty contracts being handed out but no loyalty being given to himself. Damn, that sux to hear :-/

[SAGirl]

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[FkLA]

I still can't get over how disgusting this deal is. Holy shit. WTF was Pop thinking.

:pctoss

[diego]

i dont get why everyone is so anxious to justify kawhi leaving, as if the spurs have let him down. Did the spurs not give him a great team from day one? handed the keys, protected and refined and featured etc etc etc People are talking as if we're the nets, spurs fans are spoiled but this has gone too far. Its really hard to have a championship favorite team every single year. Where is this historical precedent that superstars should expect their teammates to be great every year? Kawhi hasnt even suffered anything yet! Hes had tons of help that guys like lillard, wall, davis etc only dreamed about. Sure, its not GSW level of colluded talent but that was never going to happen in san antonio no matter who says what. This season will likely be difficult especially with LMA coming out and admitting he's a giant pussy but he'll still have more help than 85% of the league (precisely from the players everyone here spends their time shitting on), and nothing worse than the rebuilding tank team that most super star nº1 players start their career with. The FO undoubtedly discusses every move with him, and if he leaves after one poor season hes an ingrate. after 2012-2015, he owes the spurs AT LEAST 2 more years and though last year hurt it was still a good year! Since when is making the WCF and losing after sustaining injuries to your starting PG and MVP candidate best player a bad season? I wish the team played more like before, and that LMA wasnt a pussy, etc etc but like it or not they were still a top 3 team last year, and this year have AT WORST gone from top 3 to 10th best. OH NO! poor kawhi! leave before they ruin you!!!!!!!11!

doesnt seem like trolling from some people, and i dont get it.

[apalisoc_9]

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Why do these people have jobs?

[apalisoc_9]

i dont get why everyone is so anxious to justify kawhi leaving, as if the spurs have let him down. Did the spurs not give him a great team from day one? handed the keys, protected and refined and featured etc etc etc People are talking as if we're the nets, spurs fans are spoiled but this has gone too far. Its really hard to have a championship favorite team every single year. Where is this historical precedent that superstars should expect their teammates to be great every year? Kawhi hasnt even suffered anything yet! Hes had tons of help that guys like lillard, wall, davis etc only dreamed about. Sure, its not GSW level of colluded talent but that was never going to happen in san antonio no matter who says what. This season will likely be difficult especially with LMA coming out and admitting he's a giant pussy but he'll still have more help than 85% of the league (precisely from the players everyone here spends their time shitting on), and nothing worse than the rebuilding tank team that most super star nº1 players start their career with. The FO undoubtedly discusses every move with him, and if he leaves after one poor season hes an ingrate. after 2012-2015, he owes the spurs AT LEAST 2 more years and though last year hurt it was still a good year! Since when is making the WCF and losing after sustaining injuries to your starting PG and MVP candidate best player a bad season? I wish the team played more like before, and that LMA wasnt a pussy, etc etc but like it or not they were still a top 3 team last year, and this year have AT WORST gone from top 3 to 10th best. OH NO! poor kawhi! leave before they ruin you!!!!!!!11!

doesnt seem like trolling from some people, and i dont get it.

Man...Manu fans always hating on Kawhi.

Really starting to despise these argies.

[Ice009]

Definitely a real possibility. He sees all these loyalty contracts being handed out but no loyalty being given to himself.

I think you are correct. Posters around here that keep asking this, think about this for a while....Kawhi keeps talking about winning Championships over the MVP and other individual awards. Either he's saying the right thing, or like I think/believe, he really doesn't give a shit about those awards and only cares about Championships.

If he has a burning desire to win, how the fuck do you think all these moves will sit with him? Not being able to compete for a Championship, I don't think he will like that at all. Think about that for a while next time anyone asks if he might leave. His goals seem to be team oriented, and it seems that the Spurs are doing a poor job at that side of things. Kawhi cannot be happy with that. He very well could ask to be traded before his contract is even up for renewal.

[Down Under]

Maybe they think it'll make him tradable at the end of this season given it'll essentially be an expiring contract with the third year only partially guaranteed. Give him his money as loyalty for opting out, along with the possibility of being traded. There has to be something more to this, just seems too ridiculous.

[TheGreatYacht]

Man...Manu fans always hating on Kawhi.

Really starting to despise these argies.

[timtonymanu]

Gasoftdridge for another season. Can't wait to see them fail miserably posting up and Pau jogging back on defense.
And the 50 million microwave player who will show up 1 out of 5 showings while posting 1-8/2-10 shooting numbers in the bad outings. Meanwhile Parker being delusional enough to think he will back in MVP form when he comes back. Kawhi winning MVP is literally the only thing to look forward to right now.

[cjw]

We really need to see what this deal looks like in year 3. If it's a minimal guarantee, which RC hopefully negotiated in order to give two big years, then his contract looks a lot better than at first blush (still not good). It will hamper the Spurs next offseason but allow them to stay over the cap if they chose (MLE), and if a minimal guarantee will be an expiring deal as soon as FA is over. If need be, they can dump him after next FA for a minimal cost.

If it's a big year 3 guarantee, I have no words.

[Capt Bringdown]

This is nothing less than roaring, out-of-control incompetence. Pau must be laughing his ass off.
Played the Spurs like a fucking Spanish guitar.

[SouthTexasRancher]

And Pop thinks Trump is a dumbass? Has the old fart looked in the mirror lately? Good grief, this is about as dumb a move anybody could make. I thought Pau was doing us a favor and instead he, Pop and the other goofball, RC Buford, put the screws to Julianna Holt, Tim Duncan and the Spurs fan base. This makes absolutely no sense at all. Seriously, if Pop thinks President Trump is out to lunch, this makes Pop and RC look really, really ignorant. RC has been overrated for a long time and Pop has acted the past year or so like he is totally out to lunch. Pop and RC both act and sound like imbeciles when a reporter puts a mic in front of their mouths. They actually make Trump come across as a political Einstein. Personally the one I feel bad for is Timmy. The guy has always put the Spurs organization first (after his kids) and sacrificed a lot of salary to help keep the Spurs viable and wham, bam, thank you mam, Pop gives Tim one hell of a middle finger. Something is wrong with Pop. I think Dementia or some other old folks disease has started eating his brain. And today confirms there ain't no more gray matter between Pop's ears. If there isn't more to this story like Lebron, Durant, Steph, Westbrook and Anthony Davis are all coming to play for the Spurs if Pop gives an old, out of date, semi washed up center $48,000,000.00 for 3 years. Julianna ought to fire Pop and RC first thing Tuesday morning and go hire some middle school coach to take Pop's place. Hell, hire my sorry ass for Pop's $6,000,000.00 salary and I'll show the NBA that a guy off the street can screw things up just as good as a coach and GM that the media thinks are the cat's meow.

[Capt Bringdown]

Summer '17: Scrubs got paid

[marinoman]

This is the worst contract given this offseason. All the people that bitched at tony or Manu deals well they've always been here and had accomplishments. This ghost of pau gasol is meh at offense, and a liability on defense, he made David lee look like a 1st team defender and we got Pau for 3 more years!?! This is a worse move than the mod(s) that unban apalisoc

[SAGirl]

So next summer Kyle Anderson 4 years, $52 million? Tony Parker 3 years, $80 million?

Nah don't worrry about Kyle. At 24 next offseason he's going to be too young to qualify for this loyalty shit. He's going to be gone, asks the Spurs to withdraw their QO after RC hardballs him like he did JSimms and makes 0 offer. Unknown what happens with Forbes too but he's going to have to be impactful this season to even stay in the league, that shooting percentage needs to go way up. never mind him.

Only one I do see signing back is Davis.. he could fit Bonner's shoes nicely. Enjoy him for 12 seasons coming right up. Along with Tony until he's 40. Maybe Manu feels like rescuing Pop and signs again to play until he's 42.

[spurraider21]

Definitely a real possibility. He sees all these loyalty contracts being handed out but no loyalty being given to himself.
he's 26 years old and has gotten the max the only time he was a FA

what loyalty? :lol

if anything these contracts show that the spurs will be willing to overpay him even after he declines years from now. he's not leaving tbh

[Robz4000]

he's 26 years old and has gotten the max the only time he was a FA

what loyalty? :lol

if anything these contracts show that the spurs will be willing to overpay him even after he declines years from now. he's not leaving tbh

If all he cares about is money then yeah, the Spurs are prolly safe. However, if he cares about winning as much as he claims (and his work ethic shows), he looks at these poor decisions while the rest of the West improves and shakes his head.

[marinoman]

I do expect kawhi for a long time. Probably too long, Spurs will prolly offer him a 5 year super max deal at 40

[objective]

If they're lucky, they can trade Kawhi to Boston and get a good return

This talk from people on Twitter about opening up a max slot without Aldridge and Green is just funny. Lose the second and third best starters to get a max player, because max players will want to pick up that slack.

It's a joke.

It's over.

[spurraider21]

If all he cares about is money then yeah, the Spurs are prolly safe. However, if he cares about winning as much as he claims (and his work ethic shows), he looks at these poor decisions while the rest of the West improves and shakes his head.
theres not much you can do to compete with GSW right now

that being said the Pau/Mills signings were dogshit

[Robz4000]

theres not much you can do to compete with GSW right now

that being said the Pau/Mills signings were dogshit

Doesn't mean they shouldn't try; they owe it to Kawhi. You never know what could happen with injuries/Raymond stupidity/egos. Losing out on CP0 was prolly a good thing but the Spurs could've made much better moves than throwing money at players we know can't stay on the floor with GS.

[daslicer]

he's 26 years old and has gotten the max the only time he was a FA

what loyalty? :lol

if anything these contracts show that the spurs will be willing to overpay him even after he declines years from now. he's not leaving tbh

Pretty much this. I can't see him turning down the super max when the spurs offer it to him. That's way too much money for most guys to pass up. It was evident when Demarcus Cousins didn't want to get traded from the Kings despite him hating playing for them simply because he didn't want to lose the super max.

[Hoops Czar]

It's a joke.

It's over.

[tbdog]

This is just farked. The plan was 18. WTF is this? Better be something in the works.

[ElNono]

Thank you for the discount, MVPau...

[BillMc]

It is obvious with Pau's quick opt out and the Green trade rumors that team was planning to go for Chris Paul, But when the rockets thing went so fast, they got caught with their pants down. Could have been worse, Green could have been gone too (for nothing) to open up space.

The Spurs waited on Manu, then signed Pau to what they'd agreed to if Paul didn't sign. Spurs gambled and lost.

Still, the ST doomsayers always want Spurs to "go for it". Well, these things happen when you do and the stars don't align. That's why Spurs normal conservative, prudent off seasons usually are best in the long run even if they're boring.

The guys on here bitching about Pau's new deal are also the one's who bitch that the Spurs don't try to make waves in free agency. Hilarious.

[Mnky]

It's only bad for 2 years , and max money is still easy to come by. Worse comes to worse, they could waive and stretch. You're not finding a better player with what they had left this year or bargain next. Big names will dominate next year .

They also have half the team on rookie contracts. Theyre fine financially going forward, and it's a good look to show the front office can be trusted . Announced when it would make headlines.

Not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Not necessarily good though

[dabom]

It is obvious with Pau's quick opt out and the Green trade rumors that team was planning to go for Chris Paul, But when the rockets thing went so fast, they got caught with their pants down. Could have been worse, Green could have been gone too (for nothing) to open up space.

The Spurs waited on Manu, then signed Pau to what they'd agreed to if Paul didn't sign. Spurs gambled and lost.

Still, the ST doomsayers always want Spurs to "go for it". Well, these things happen when you do and the stars don't align. That's why Spurs normal conservative, prudent off seasons usually are best in the long run even if they're boring.

The guys on here bitching about Pau's new deal are also the one's who bitch that the Spurs don't try to make waves in free agency. Hilarious.

Wow Bill. Can I make that my sig. :lol

[BillMc]

Wow Bill. Can I make that my sig. :lol

Do what you like.

[r0drig0lac]

The defending champions Golden State still added two shooters and Jordan Bell.
The Rockets got better. The Thunder addressed their needs.

What did we do? Signed a lot of tiny guards, none of them that play defense. Brought back the laziest big man duo on the Spurs.. Signed a broken Rudy Gay, signed Joffrey Lannister. And now we have even less money for next offseason. Is Pop just mailing it in before he retires?

[AFBlue]

Wow. They must really think they have something in Gasol to give him another year at $16M guaranteed. Declining a sign-and-trade of Simmons for Chandler makes more sense now. I still think Aldridge and Green could be traded during the year, but going into the season with basically the same team as last year is an interesting choice. Guess we'll see if they can replicate last year's regular season success.

[Dex]

It is obvious with Pau's quick opt out and the Green trade rumors that team was planning to go for Chris Paul, But when the rockets thing went so fast, they got caught with their pants down. Could have been worse, Green could have been gone too (for nothing) to open up space.

The Spurs waited on Manu, then signed Pau to what they'd agreed to if Paul didn't sign. Spurs gambled and lost.

Still, the ST doomsayers always want Spurs to "go for it". Well, these things happen when you do and the stars don't align. That's why Spurs normal conservative, prudent off seasons usually are best in the long run even if they're boring.

The guys on here bitching about Pau's new deal are also the one's who bitch that the Spurs don't try to make waves in free agency. Hilarious.

+1

Busters around here want to have their cake and eat it too.

[cd98]

Well I thought Pau signing was too much, but they promised him next season's paycheck plus more money to opt out. So next season's salary isn't a big deal. The 2nd year is a little bit of an ouch, but I'm assuming they believe his passing and rebounding and even his defense will help against everyone but Golden State, which is probably true. By his third year, a partial guaranteed contract is highly tradable and most likely what they do knowing they showed loyalty and will have no problem trading him as a salary dump.

[Big Empty]

He better be a fucking 3 point shooting machine when we play the teams that matter

[vy65]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/platform/amp/2017/7/24/16022898/pau-gasol-san-antonio-spurs-new-contract-make-sense

Truly shitty writing.

[baseline bum]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/platform/amp/2017/7/24/16022898/pau-gasol-san-antonio-spurs-new-contract-make-sense

Truly shitty writing.

Par for the course there

[JFK]

If all he cares about is money then yeah, the Spurs are prolly safe. However, if he cares about winning as much as he claims (and his work ethic shows), he looks at these poor decisions while the rest of the West improves and shakes his head.

Think about these two possibilities with Leonard.

1. He is dying to win an MVP next year and is on board with carrying all this shitty dead weight on his back. He's ok with all this and doing more by himself, which seems like it after looking at this roster.

2. He is too quiet and won't stand up, even if he feels these are wrong moves, and raise concerns with Pop and RC and lets them do whatever they want, which obviously is not trying to catch Golden State.

These moves make zero sense and it feels at times like they're conceding this run by the Warriors for more than just next year. Maybe 2 or 3 years the Spurs are giving up on.

I'm sure someone will come along here in a few moments and say trust them because every move they make is right and they're never wrong.

[vy65]

Par for the course there

Like the fucking Vichy French. Wonder if they're on the payroll a la RG/DNC

[baseline bum]

God 1/6th of the cap on a long deal for someone they can't play in today's NBA. And I thought the Bonner signings were bad.

[vy65]

^^ but but but it's not terrible because we can always waive Pau

[Mal]

This is terrible deal. There was no need to lock him for 2 years, and there was no need to lock him for 16 mil at anytime during that deal. What the fuck Spurs are doing

[vy65]

38+ for Pau, Patty, and Gay. That's a max slot.

[baseline bum]

38+ for Pau, Patty, and Gay. That's a supermax slot.

fify

[vy65]

fify

The F in PATFO should stand for fraudulent

[Poolboy5623]

38+ for Pau, Patty, and Gay. That's a max slot.

What max free agent wants to play for the Spurs?

[vy65]

What max free agent wants to play for the Spurs?

Potentially several ask me again once 2018 free agency starts.

Would you rather have Patty/Pau/Gay or a shot at PG or Demarcus. Your question makes me think the former and not the latter.

[Ice009]

This contract is insane. I can understand them having to do him a favour for him opting out, but the most I would have given him is 24 million for 2 years guaranteed, and maybe a 3rd year partially guaranteed. That's the full 16M for next season that he was owed and then another 8M for a second season - that's the way I would have broken it down for him. I think that would have been fair/reasonable as he's not worth 16M per season anymore. Would any other team even pay him that much? Absolutely irresponsible contract that they have given him.

They obviously had to promise him something to opt out, another year at least, but what they've given him is insane. He's squeezed a lot of money out of the Spurs FO for doing them the favour of opting out.

[JFK]

The F in PATFO should stand for fraudulent

People are going to go insane when Parker gets resigned to the 3 years he is wanting. Its probably going to be another sizable amount too. He will be one of their "big" free agent signings next year.

[vy65]

People are going to go insane when Parker gets resigned to the 3 years he is wanting. Its probably going to be another sizable amount too. He will be one of their "big" free agent signings next year.

20 years!

[Ice009]

Think about these two possibilities with Leonard.

1. He is dying to win an MVP next year and is on board with carrying all this shitty dead weight on his back. He's ok with all this and doing more by himself, which seems like it after looking at this roster.

2. He is too quiet and won't stand up, even if he feels these are wrong moves, and raise concerns with Pop and RC and lets them do whatever they want, which obviously is not trying to catch Golden State.

These moves make zero sense and it feels at times like they're conceding this run by the Warriors for more than just next year. Maybe 2 or 3 years the Spurs are giving up on.

I'm sure someone will come along here in a few moments and say trust them because every move they make is right and they're never wrong.

I don't ever recall Kawhi saying that he wants to win any individual award. A few years ago he said he wants to be an MVP level player, but winning the actual MVP wasn't his goal or that important to him, he just mentioned that he wanted to get to that level. I've always heard him talk about team goals and winning Championships. That is what seems to drive him. I really don't think this off-season has been good for the Spurs if they want him to stay beyond his current contract.

[Poolboy5623]

Potentially several ask me again once 2018 free agency starts.

Would you rather have Patty/Pau/Gay or a shot at PG or Demarcus. Your question makes me think the former and not the latter.

PG is going to the Lakers and Pop and Cousins don't match...who else ya got? You really think the Spurs can compete with both LA teams, next summer? Come on man.

[rastaspur]

I'm convinced that r.c. Buford has given up drinking and has graduated to meth. It helps to explain this contract.

[noles1983]

People are going to go insane when Parker gets resigned to the 3 years he is wanting. Its probably going to be another sizable amount too. He will be one of their "big" free agent signings next year.

And I hope the attendance suffers, fuck that.

[MB20]

In b4 Manu signs for 1/10m and ST explodes forever

[apalisoc_9]

And I hope the attendance suffers, fuck that.

As if the attendance is doing any better this year

Giving a player who has played for you one year a loyalty contract :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

PATFO fluffers Jeff McCuckald and Matthew Tyrion are spinning this shit as best they can :lmao

Shame on those 2 dudes on here doing it as well :lol Grow some balls and question what those idiots do for once

[BillMc]

+1

Busters around here want to have their cake and eat it too.

Exactly. :toast

[vy65]

PG is going to the Lakers and Pop and Cousins don't match...who else ya got? You really think the Spurs can compete with both LA teams, next summer? Come on man.

Again, a lot can change in one year. You just assume that there's no one who'll be interested in the Spurs and so are content to roll with floatsam in Pau/Patty/Rudy. Come on man.

[TheGreatYacht]

PG is going to the Lakers and Pop and Cousins don't match...who else ya got? You really think the Spurs can compete with both LA teams, next summer? Come on man.
This is a whole new level of PATFO slurping....

:cry FA's aren't coming here, so why even try? Let's pay unplayable scrubs :cry

[vy65]

PATFO fluffers Jeff McCuckald and Matthew Tyrion are spinning this shit as best they can :lmao

Shame on those 2 dudes on here doing it as well :lol Grow some balls and question what those idiots do for once

Manu's article made me realize something. This is what Manu wrote in the article where he "announced" that he's coming back:


If 10 years ago somebody told me "you're going to play until you're 40", I would've answered you're crazy.

The reality is that I still have a good time and enjoy it. I have less responsibilities than in the past and the team takes good care of me. This is ideal for me, and above all, at my age. The family wasn't a problem. Many told me again to do whatever made me feel good. Obviously we're curious to see what having all the time in the world for us looks like, but because we're fine in San Antonio and we have the kids in school, it's not a problem to keep going with my current job.

It's clear that this is going to be a special season for me, although I also know it won't be different when I walk into the court, because I always want to help my team win. And it's also clear that I'm not the devilish player I was. Pop says my competitiveness is intact, but I certainly don't feel as competitive as before, not just because of capacity, speed and all those physical things, but also because a change in priorities.

Although when the ball is in the air and I make a couple of bad plays, or somebody taunts me, winning or losing is obviously not the same thing. Everything I do, I try to do well. Truthfully, if I didn't change the way I absorb the pressure and expectations, I would've retired after the Miami Final in 2013 or 2014.

Current Spurs management, the team leaders, the culture, etc... have been around for over 20 years. In that time, they've won 5 championships, posted consistent 50+ win seasons, and several 60+ win seasons. They've been in the playoffs every one of those years, and gone deep in several. At a certain time, they have to start thinking that they've done everything that they're going to do, and the competitive edge that got them that success inevitably starts to dull. That, in and of itself, is not a bad thing -- it's inevitable because they're human.

What does this mean, as applied to the roster? There's a greater priority on what's worked in the past - both in terms of emphasis on "culture" and the type of personnel cultivated: PATFO keeps awarding culture contracts (Patty) or bringing in Spurs-type players (Pau). I understand that thinking: go with what brought you your success. But the problem is it's a wrong approach - think of the old adage "victory can defeat someone."

The Spurs were once known as an organization that innovated - first with drafting foreign personnel, then with cultivating a culture of selflessness (Tim/Tony/Manu), then with developing the "beautiful game." What's so problematic about these contracts are not the contracts in and of themselves (although they're horrific); rather, it's that they signal that the organization is becoming stagnant.

They signal that the organization is content to "run it back" despite the personnel clearly being orders of magnitude below the one team that counts (GSW). They also signal that the organization is stopping/has stopped innovating -- they're just using the same approach over and over again now. And the problem is that approach won't work; they need to innovate again. And this is exactly what worries me the most -- after 20+ years of success, I don't see the motivation in Pop & Co. to innovate. I don't blame them per se -- they're human. But you can get the sense that they should have started incorporating new blood in the organization post 2014. But they didn't and became stagnant.

Victory defeated them.

[Ice009]

Man, could they have offered him more than 16M for one year? If so, that's what they should have done. Given him 20M for the year and said see you later next off-season.

[ffadicted]

Well this is by far the worst contract I've seen the Spurs hand out since I've watched them in like '04. Sad day.

[diego]

It is obvious with Pau's quick opt out and the Green trade rumors that team was planning to go for Chris Paul, But when the rockets thing went so fast, they got caught with their pants down. Could have been worse, Green could have been gone too (for nothing) to open up space.

The Spurs waited on Manu, then signed Pau to what they'd agreed to if Paul didn't sign. Spurs gambled and lost.

Still, the ST doomsayers always want Spurs to "go for it". Well, these things happen when you do and the stars don't align. That's why Spurs normal conservative, prudent off seasons usually are best in the long run even if they're boring.

The guys on here bitching about Pau's new deal are also the one's who bitch that the Spurs don't try to make waves in free agency. Hilarious.

The same that bitch about Durant being a bitch for going to gsw, want kawhi to leave for a sure thing else where. Bunch of crybabies

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu's article made me realize something. This is what Manu wrote in the article where he "announced" that he's coming back:



Current Spurs management, the team leaders, the culture, etc... have been around for over 20 years. In that time, they've won 5 championships, posted consistent 50+ win seasons, and several 60+ win seasons. They've been in the playoffs every one of those years, and gone deep in several. At a certain time, they have to start thinking that they've done everything that they're going to do, and the competitive edge that got them that success inevitably starts to dull. That, in and of itself, is not a bad thing -- it's inevitable because they're human.

What does this mean, as applied to the roster? There's a greater priority on what's worked in the past - both in terms of emphasis on "culture" and the type of personnel cultivated: PATFO keeps awarding culture contracts (Patty) or bringing in Spurs-type players (Pau). I understand that thinking: go with what brought you your success. But the problem is it's a wrong approach - think of the old adage "victory can defeat someone."

The Spurs were once known as an organization that innovated - first with drafting foreign personnel, then with cultivating a culture of selflessness (Tim/Tony/Manu), then with developing the "beautiful game." What's so problematic about these contracts are not the contracts in and of themselves (although they're horrific); rather, it's that they signal that the organization is becoming stagnant.

They signal that the organization is content to "run it back" despite the personnel clearly being orders of magnitude below the one team that counts (GSW). They also signal that the organization is stopping/has stopped innovating -- they're just using the same approach over and over again now. And the problem is that approach won't work; they need to innovate again. And this is exactly what worries me the most -- after 20+ years of success, I don't see the motivation in Pop & Co. to innovate. I don't blame them per se -- they're human. But you can get the sense that they should have started incorporating new blood in the organization post 2014. But they didn't and became stagnant.

Victory defeated them.
Good post. I don't really agree that they lost the hunger, I believe they're finally being exposed as frauds now that Duncan is gone and Parker is old. Kawhi is the sole reason this team won 62 games last year. It wasn't Buford's amazing roster construction or Pop's ball movement system (lol), just Kawhi.

It's time to part ways with Buford and Popovich. They don't get paid to have a culture museum, they get paid to win. The draft picks, signings, and extensions over the last 4 years are shit that the Nolan Knicks would do

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Are the Spurs doing 3 and $48M for David Lee too?

He actually deserved as much as Gasol from a contribution standpoint, perhaps more.

[Ice009]

I mean, I've been very cool about this contract so far, but I think at some point I will explode.

Tim Duncan never got this much at the end of his career and he was fucking superior at 39 to what Pau Gasol is now. In 2015, Tim was still a top 5 big man in the entire league, and to top that off, he played incredible against the Clippers in the playoffs against an insanely athletic combo of Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan, who at the time were both in great form those playoffs while playing some of the best ball of their lives until the collapse against Houston. Pau Gasol already looks washed up and he's younger, but the Spurs are going to pay him more than TD.

Where would you guys say Gasol ranks in the league currently against other big men? Top 20, or lower?

TD needs to have some Horry style interviews and start ripping the Spurs.

[rjv]

It's only bad for 2 years , and max money is still easy to come by. Worse comes to worse, they could waive and stretch. You're not finding a better player with what they had left this year or bargain next. Big names will dominate next year .

They also have half the team on rookie contracts. Theyre fine financially going forward, and it's a good look to show the front office can be trusted . Announced when it would make headlines.

Not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Not necessarily good though this is ST, where everything is based on eschatology.

[Killakobe81]

I said 3/24 from the beginning. Logic? He was due 16M for one year, that would get split over 2 then replicated for year 3 as more guaranteed money.

Looks like it could be less than that if the guarantee is small enough (maybe 4M)? I understand it. Pau will only play for 2 years - like I read, seems like the Duncan plan: Spread the money out over 3 years with the partial guarantee. Want to see the numbers for him and Manu though.

missed it by that much ...:lol

[FkLA]

+1

Busters around here want to have their cake and eat it too.

:lol

The longer term deal was expected. Giving him the same annual salary was not. Shit even Richard Jefferson didn't fuck the Spurs over like this. He opted out of a similar one year annual salary to sign like a 4yr/ $40 mill contract IIRC. You're supposed to give up annual salary for more years especially when you're fucking 36 years old.

I know you love the Spurs but it's ok to question PATFO's moves. You don't have to blindly agree with everything they do.

[TheDoctor]

:lol I wish
TimDunkem (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16114) & TheDoctor (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49616) do though

Actually Im on a Yacht right now :lol Will do it ASAIC homies :tu

@apaliaoc_9 TheGreatYacht

[DPG21920]

missed it by that much ...:lol

Ya - I was way freaking off on that one. I mean, I had the basics and logic right but the number was far beyond what I thought was imagineable :lol

[JFK]

Manu's article made me realize something. This is what Manu wrote in the article where he "announced" that he's coming back:



Current Spurs management, the team leaders, the culture, etc... have been around for over 20 years. In that time, they've won 5 championships, posted consistent 50+ win seasons, and several 60+ win seasons. They've been in the playoffs every one of those years, and gone deep in several. At a certain time, they have to start thinking that they've done everything that they're going to do, and the competitive edge that got them that success inevitably starts to dull. That, in and of itself, is not a bad thing -- it's inevitable because they're human.

What does this mean, as applied to the roster? There's a greater priority on what's worked in the past - both in terms of emphasis on "culture" and the type of personnel cultivated: PATFO keeps awarding culture contracts (Patty) or bringing in Spurs-type players (Pau). I understand that thinking: go with what brought you your success. But the problem is it's a wrong approach - think of the old adage "victory can defeat someone."

The Spurs were once known as an organization that innovated - first with drafting foreign personnel, then with cultivating a culture of selflessness (Tim/Tony/Manu), then with developing the "beautiful game." What's so problematic about these contracts are not the contracts in and of themselves (although they're horrific); rather, it's that they signal that the organization is becoming stagnant.

They signal that the organization is content to "run it back" despite the personnel clearly being orders of magnitude below the one team that counts (GSW). They also signal that the organization is stopping/has stopped innovating -- they're just using the same approach over and over again now. And the problem is that approach won't work; they need to innovate again. And this is exactly what worries me the most -- after 20+ years of success, I don't see the motivation in Pop & Co. to innovate. I don't blame them per se -- they're human. But you can get the sense that they should have started incorporating new blood in the organization post 2014. But they didn't and became stagnant.

Victory defeated them.

This is an excellent post.

I will add to it that the only thing in those decades that made it all work was TIM DUNCAN. They have yet to show that they can win anything WITHOUT Tim. We will see, and are seeing, exactly how much of a once in a lifetime player and person Tim was.

[Chinook]

The Spurs seem hell-bent on going small this year. They are not doing same old, same old, despite having a similar roster. You can argue that they are not innovating by sticking with their guys, but they wouldn't be doing so by adapting to the "modern NBA" either. Gasol got pay way too much. But signing him is not a sign that PATFO is content. It's a sign that they want to take another shot a GS with a healthy roster. Pop running the same shitty offense another season in a row would be a different matter, though.

[vy65]

The Spurs seem hell-bent on going small this year. They are not doing same old, same old, despite having a similar roster. You can argue that they are not innovating by sticking with their guys, but they wouldn't be doing so by adapting to the "modern NBA" either. Gasol got pay way too much. But signing him is not a sign that PATFO is content. It's a sign that they want to take another shot a GS with a healthy roster. Pop running the same shitty offense another season in a row would be a different matter, though.

This post makes no sense. They're going small but they want to take another shot with a healthy roster (which was premised on going big)? They're going small by giving that horrific contract to Pau? I know you don't defend Pau, so I'm not trying to pigeonhole you, but this post doesn't make much sense.

[Capt Bringdown]

This is an excellent post.

I will add to it that the only thing in those decades that made it all work was TIM DUNCAN. They have yet to show that they can win anything WITHOUT Tim. We will see, and are seeing, exactly how much of a once in a lifetime player and person Tim was.

David Robinson was also a once in a lifetime player, and the Spurs couldn't get over the hump. Vinny Del Negro? Sidney Green?
It's beginning to look like the Leonard era will go forward in similar fashion, due to similar personnel issues. Nice regular season records & playoff flameouts.
Spurs have become a profit center for stiffs and scrubs.

[SpursforSix]

They signal that the organization is content to "run it back" despite the personnel clearly being orders of magnitude below the one team that counts (GSW).

The thing is they weren't "orders of magnitude" below GSW. They were beating the shit out of the Warriors until Leonard went down. Would they have won the series? Maybe. GSW is obviously the better team. But not by much. One more good player or two could put the Spurs pretty even with GSW. Tying up all this money doesn't make sense.

[Hoops Czar]

It is obvious with Pau's quick opt out and the Green trade rumors that team was planning to go for Chris Paul, But when the rockets thing went so fast, they got caught with their pants down. Could have been worse, Green could have been gone too (for nothing) to open up space.

The Spurs waited on Manu, then signed Pau to what they'd agreed to if Paul didn't sign. Spurs gambled and lost.

Still, the ST doomsayers always want Spurs to "go for it". Well, these things happen when you do and the stars don't align. That's why Spurs normal conservative, prudent off seasons usually are best in the long run even if they're boring.

The guys on here bitching about Pau's new deal are also the one's who bitch that the Spurs don't try to make waves in free agency. Hilarious.

I can't tell if this is a PATFO apologist post or what. The fact that the Spurs FO put all their eggs in the CP3 basket was mind boggling in the first place. Most people knew and understood that Paul was just using the Spurs for leverage, trying to get LAC to pony up for a fifth year. The moment the Clips said no, he bolted for Houston. That trade was CP3's contingency plan assuming he didn't get the fifth year from the Clippers. It had been in the works for weeks, not hours or days.

Spurs fans were all giddy when Paul gave the Spurs a meeting because it gave them a false sense of reality that this could really happen. That potential dream scenario should have been shut down immediately the moment he gave a meeting to the Nuggets. He never intended on coming to the Spurs and this joke of a FO didn't have a back up plan.

As for losing Green for nothing, that was an impossibility. The Spurs were trying to find a suitable trade partner in the long shot that Paul chose the Spurs. No way would the Spurs pull the trigger unless they got a signature from Paul.

However, none of this could explain away Pau's contract of averaging $16M a year for next three years after opting out of a $16M contract. I would have had more sympathy if Pau took the Spurs money three years ago but he instead chose to take Chicago's money over winning championships with the Spurs. And now, He's taking the Spurs money as a washed up vet who's virtually unplayable against all the teams that actually matter. Deplorable!!!

[SpursforSix]

:pop: Bonner gave Pau the pics of my privates

[Raven]

wow that's a lot of coin... but worthy if it mean david lee is not coming back.

[coachmac87]

My 2 cents...

Spurs wanted CP3..the only way to do that was to get Pau to opt out or trade him. I believe they approached him about the idea adding CP3 and he agreed to opt out..He probably ok'd a structure or amount but with the exception things could change..

Then the LMA drama and CP3 going to Houston..I assume that threw things off a bit as the ENTIRE league was shocked by the Rockets/CP3 trade..

Them signing Gasol to this contract tells me LMA is GONE either before the season by trade or he opts out. Gasol is their starting Center for the next 2 years but IMO this contract only makes sense if LMA is out the door soon..

People need to stop getting emotional and being ignorant and put themselves in PATFO shoes and really think why they make the moves they do..I could be totally wrong but I don't think the PATFO are "frauds or out of touch" that's SpursTalk tbh

[Phenomanul]

:pop: Bonner gave Pau the pics of my privates

:lmao

[baseline bum]

My 2 cents...

Spurs wanted CP3..the only way to do that was to get Pau to opt out or trade him. I believe they approached him about the idea adding CP3 and he agreed to opt out..He probably ok'd a structure or amount but with the exception things could change..

Then the LMA drama and CP3 going to Houston..I assume that threw things off a bit as the ENTIRE league was shocked by the Rockets/CP3 trade..

Them signing Gasol to this contract tells me LMA is GONE either before the season by trade or he opts out. Gasol is their starting Center for the next 2 years but IMO this contract only makes sense if LMA is out the door soon..

People need to stop getting emotional and being ignorant and put themselves in PATFO shoes and really think why they make the moves they do..I could be totally wrong but I don't think the PATFO are "frauds or out of touch" that's SpursTalk tbh

Why is it emotional to think the Spurs screwed the pooch giving big money to a declining Gasol whose baseline wasn't very high to begin with?

[BillMc]

The same that bitch about Durant being a bitch for going to gsw, want kawhi to leave for a sure thing else where. Bunch of crybabies
Truth

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why is it emotional to think the Spurs screwed the pooch giving big money to a declining Gasol whose baseline wasn't very high to begin with?

Because most Spurs fans are Popsucking / front office sucking idiots and can't deal with some cold water being thrown on their offseason circle jerk.

[TimDunkem]

Usual suspects BillMC and pussy Dex bending over, spreading their cheeks, and blindly agreeing with everything the front office does.

[coachmac87]

Why is it emotional to think the Spurs screwed the pooch giving big money to a declining Gasol whose baseline wasn't very high to begin with?

Because we don't know if this is the final move...

What if Gasol is the starting center and LMA is moved??

Let's not get worked up over something you don't really know all the details about..

[Chillen]

The Gasol contract isn't horrible, the Patty Mills one is. Not many players out there with BBall IQ and passing ability that Pau has. Just hope he has a better season than last year.

[dabom]

Usual suspects BillMC and pussy Dex bending over, spreading their cheeks, and blindly agreeing with everything the front office does.

Brah you tripping. You have officially gone to the other side. RIP. :lol

[kaji157]

PATFO is out of control.

[SpursforSix]

Because we don't know if this is the final move...

What if Gasol is the starting center and LMA is moved??

Let's not get worked up over something you don't really know all the details about..

We'll see. This has been said about questionable moves in the past. "oh...it's CIA Pop...just wait and see". But for the most part, they just end up being poor decisions.

[SpursforSix]

Because we don't know if this is the final move...

What if Gasol is the starting center and LMA is moved??

Let's not get worked up over something you don't really know all the details about..

and I can't come up with any scenario where locking up Gasol to 3 years and $48,000,000 makes sense. Unless Gasol has some kind of crazy breakout year.
I mean...what team is going to look at that contract and think it'd be beneficial to take it on?

[baseline bum]

Because we don't know if this is the final move...

What if Gasol is the starting center and LMA is moved??

Let's not get worked up over something you don't really know all the details about..

Then it's still a stupid move to tie up $16 million of 2018-19 capspace when the team will be trying to rebuild around Kawhi. At least overpay for someone with a future if you're going to overpay.

[coachmac87]

We'll see. This has been said about questionable moves in the past. "oh...it's CIA Pop...just wait and see". But for the most part, they just end up being poor decisions.

It very well could be....it could be a bad deal.

[coachmac87]

and I can't come up with any scenario where locking up Gasol to 3 years and $48,000,000 makes sense. Unless Gasol has some kind of crazy breakout year.
I mean...what team is going to look at that contract and think it'd be beneficial to take it on?


It's not 3yr/48M...48M is not the guaranteed $$.

[coachmac87]

Then it's still a stupid move to tie up $16 million of 2018-19 capspace when the team will be trying to rebuild around Kawhi. At least overpay for someone with a future if you're going to overpay.

Ok but what if LMA is moved...

What if the craziness happens and they get Kyrie? Or something else?

The narrative obviously changed before and it could again..just wait awhile and we will ALL know what the roster will look like lol

[TimDunkem]

Brah you tripping. You have officially gone to the other side. RIP. :lol
Come on, bro. You don't really believe this is a good deal do you?

[vy65]

889899540098293760

Let someone else have a turn?

:rofl

[RD2191]

889899540098293760

Let someone else have a turn?

:rofl

LMFAO. What a piece of shit. We aren't the Lakers, this franchise is fucked if Kawhi leaves. It'll probably last a couple of years before it has to move due to low attendance.

[NASpurs]

Jeff McDonald needs to Thelma and Louise it with Don Harris.

[vy65]

"Uh, yeah Kawhi, we know you're entering your prime and have MVP-caliber talent, but we're going to surround you with mediocre-to-subpar talent on atrocious contracts because we've already won 5 championships and its ok to give someone else a turn"

[coachmac87]

889899540098293760

Let someone else have a turn?

:rofl

Should get fired for this tweet tbh...

[apalisoc_9]

889899540098293760

Let someone else have a turn?

:rofl

Spurstalk posters with tweeter should go bananas on this guy.

[dabom]

Come on, bro. You don't really believe this is a good deal do you?

It's not a bad deal. Bigs get paid more. And he's not a beta. 16 mil dot s nothing to what he brings to the table. And don't talk shit to top quality posters.

[TimDunkem]

It's not a bad deal. Bigs get paid more. And he's not a beta. 16 mil dot s nothing to what he brings to the table. And don't talk shit to top quality posters.
:lmao

[Keepin' it real]

Manu's article made me realize something. This is what Manu wrote in the article where he "announced" that he's coming back:



Current Spurs management, the team leaders, the culture, etc... have been around for over 20 years. In that time, they've won 5 championships, posted consistent 50+ win seasons, and several 60+ win seasons. They've been in the playoffs every one of those years, and gone deep in several. At a certain time, they have to start thinking that they've done everything that they're going to do, and the competitive edge that got them that success inevitably starts to dull. That, in and of itself, is not a bad thing -- it's inevitable because they're human.

What does this mean, as applied to the roster? There's a greater priority on what's worked in the past - both in terms of emphasis on "culture" and the type of personnel cultivated: PATFO keeps awarding culture contracts (Patty) or bringing in Spurs-type players (Pau). I understand that thinking: go with what brought you your success. But the problem is it's a wrong approach - think of the old adage "victory can defeat someone."

The Spurs were once known as an organization that innovated - first with drafting foreign personnel, then with cultivating a culture of selflessness (Tim/Tony/Manu), then with developing the "beautiful game." What's so problematic about these contracts are not the contracts in and of themselves (although they're horrific); rather, it's that they signal that the organization is becoming stagnant.

They signal that the organization is content to "run it back" despite the personnel clearly being orders of magnitude below the one team that counts (GSW). They also signal that the organization is stopping/has stopped innovating -- they're just using the same approach over and over again now. And the problem is that approach won't work; they need to innovate again. And this is exactly what worries me the most -- after 20+ years of success, I don't see the motivation in Pop & Co. to innovate. I don't blame them per se -- they're human. But you can get the sense that they should have started incorporating new blood in the organization post 2014. But they didn't and became stagnant.

Victory defeated them.

https://ci.memecdn.com/8999170.jpg

[baseline bum]

Ok but what if LMA is moved...

What if the craziness happens and they get Kyrie? Or something else?

The narrative obviously changed before and it could again..just wait awhile and we will ALL know what the roster will look like lol

If they get Kyrie then it means they can't go after a competent big next summer because they gave Gasol $16 million.

[JFK]

889899540098293760

Let someone else have a turn?

:rofl



Amazing. Like the media praising and always afraid to question one of those South American Caudillos it seems. SA TV and print Media is just spineless and pathetic.

[Baam]

It's not a bad deal. Bigs get paid more. And he's not a beta. 16 mil dot s nothing to what he brings to the table. And don't talk shit to top quality posters.

Not in 2017.

Look at what the Warriors/Celtics/Rockets are spending on centers.

But at this point only theory that fits is that they have a wink wink agreement with LeBron or something crazy like that.

[coachmac87]

If they get Kyrie then it means they can't go after a competent big next summer because they gave Gasol $16 million.


Or maybe they could?? We don't know lol.

Not even 4 days ago SpursTalk was losing their shit saying NOBODY wants to play here or respects the Spurs etc...

Now look where we are today....

[SpursforSix]

It's not 3yr/48M...48M is not the guaranteed $$.

I know. But I still don't get the opting out of 1/16 for 2/16 and a third partial.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

889899540098293760

Let someone else have a turn?

:rofl

FUCK Jeff McDonald. Worst "journalist" in the world. "Let someone else have a turn" in which case just contract the Spurs right out of the NBA with that mentality. I hope he says the same thing when Kawhi leaves. "Kawhi gave us six years as a Spurs, let someone else have a turn"


Fucking idiot.

[SpursforSix]

Or maybe they could?? We don't know lol.

Not even 4 days ago SpursTalk was losing their shit saying NOBODY wants to play here or respects the Spurs etc...

Now look where we are today....

that's way different. But the point is that Gasol is now eating up $16,000,000 next year that could go to someone worth it. Whether it's a big or not. To say it's not a limitation is just ridiculous.

[dabom]

:lmao

Not a battle your gonna win. :lol

[baseline bum]

Or maybe they could?? We don't know lol.

Not even 4 days ago SpursTalk was losing their shit saying NOBODY wants to play here or respects the Spurs etc...

Now look where we are today....

Where we are today is having spent $98 million for Mills + Gasol, with an Aldridge who wants out, and without the assets to land Kyrie in trade.

[NASpurs]

FUCK Jeff McDonald. Worst "journalist" in the world. "Let someone else have a turn" in which case just contract the Spurs right out of the NBA with that mentality. I hope he says the same thing when Kawhi leaves. "Kawhi gave us six years as a Spurs, let someone else have a turn"


Fucking idiot.

He's a guy who works following the Spurs, and not a Spurs fan at all. No fucking Spurs fan would say "let someone else have a turn". The dude needs to fuck off.

[apalisoc_9]

The Gasol contract isn't horrible, the Patty Mills one is. Not many players out there with BBall IQ and passing ability that Pau has. Just hope he has a better season than last year.

Shutup Juancho...:lol

[apalisoc_9]

He's a guy who works following the Spurs, and not a Spurs fan at all. No fucking Spurs fan would say "let someone else have a turn". The dude needs to fuck off.

He's affraid of poop and the Drunk.

[coachmac87]

I know. But I still don't get the opting out of 1/16 for 2/16 and a third partial.

I understand it doesn't make sense at first...and it may never tbh it could just be a bad deal..

Or you can maybe put yourself in the Spurs shoes and try to see why this happened?

[Chinook]

I understand it doesn't make sense at first...and it may never tbh it could just be a bad deal..

Or you can maybe put yourself in the Spurs shoes and try to see why this happened?

It happened because they made a bad deal.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's a guy who works following the Spurs, and not a Spurs fan at all. No fucking Spurs fan would say "let someone else have a turn". The dude needs to fuck off.
Have you seen his pedo looking face in the background during postgame interviews with Pop? Dude shits his pants every game night. The worst thing that guy wants is Poop being mad at him.

[TimDunkem]

Not a battle your gonna win. :lol
:lol Not worried about it. You're still cool with me, dabom.

[coachmac87]

Where we are today is having spent $98 million for Mills + Gasol, with an Aldridge who wants out, and without the assets to land Kyrie in trade.

Ok let's make this look drastic as possible to justify you losing your shit...

Or how about we're 28M committed THIS year for 2 starters in from the 17' WCF Finals...

It's pretty obvious you're s glass half empty kind of a guy lol

[BatManu20]

889899540098293760

Let someone else have a turn?

:rofl

Wtf type of beta-loser mentality is this? Fucking retarded :lol

[coachmac87]

It happened because they made a bad deal.

Ok but Spurs don't think it's a "bad deal".. that's my point.

What you and I think doesn't matter..Spurs have/know the plan and you and I don't..

[dabom]

:lol Not worried about it. You're still cool with me, dabom.

Ait man. You were close today. It's all cool.

[baseline bum]

Ok let's make this look drastic as possible to justify you losing your shit...

Or how about we're 28M committed THIS year for 2 starters in from the 17' WCF Finals...

It's pretty obvious you're s glass half empty kind of a guy lol

Since when is pointing out signing bad contracts losing ones shit? No one thought Gasol was getting this ridiculous contract when he opted out. The gymnastics you're trying to do to justify the Gasol deal are pretty funny to watch. I can't believe they wasted about $37 million of 2018-19 capspace on Gasol + Mills + Gay.

[apalisoc_9]

Wtf type of beta-loser mentality is this? Fucking retarded :lol

Even Batmanu is going in on Jeff Mcloser.

[Killakobe81]

Amazing. Like the media praising and always afraid to question one of those South American Caudillos it seems. SA TV and print Media is just spineless and pathetic.

Thank GOD these bozos arent covering the Lakers ...if do ...
mitch and Jim are still running the team ...and we trading for Melo's contract.

[apalisoc_9]

Ok but Spurs don't think it's a "bad deal".. that's my point.

What you and I think doesn't matter..Spurs have/know the plan and you and I don't..

Stick to your shitty podcast will you..Stop polluting the forum and stick to your 4 listerns per podcast that your mom, Sister, Grandmother and Match teacher listens to.

What an atrocious poster.

The Mike Costello of spurstalk

[vy65]

Ok let's make this look drastic as possible to justify you losing your shit...

Or how about we're 28M committed THIS year for 2 starters in from the 17' WCF Finals...

It's pretty obvious you're s glass half empty kind of a guy lol

How much time do you think Kawhi & Co. should spend polishing their WCF participation medals?

[coachmac87]

Since when is pointing out signing bad contracts losing ones shit? No one thought Gasol was getting this ridiculous contract when he opted out. The gymnastics you're trying to do to justify the Gasol deal are pretty funny to watch. I can't believe they wasted about $37 million of 2018-19 capspace on Gasol + Mills + Gay.

I'm not doing any gymnastics. I'm just taking a cautious approach when it comes to criticism...

I can't believe you think you know more about the NBA and it's doings then PATFO. You don't know the truth of anything that's gone on this offseason.

Be careful what you say because you never know bruh you could be doing gymnastics sooner then you think:toast

[coachmac87]

How much time do you think Kawhi & Co. should spend polishing their WCF participation medals?

Not sure tbh. Kawhi probably threw his away once he got cheated

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm not doing any gymnastics. I'm just taking a cautious approach when it comes to criticism...

I can't believe you think you know more about the NBA and it's doings then PATFO. You don't know the truth of anything that's gone on this offseason.

Be careful what you say because you never know bruh you could be doing gymnastics sooner then you think:toast

bruh, the Patty, Gasol, and Gay signings were ridiculous. Quit trying to spin it as anything other than a wreck of an offseason. And anyone who's a fan of Tim Duncan or the Spurs should be disgusted with Pau getting this kind of coin while Tim took a discount to make us more competitive.

Gasol didn't take a discount, him and his agent went in dry on Pop and R.C. :td

[coachmac87]

Stick to your shitty podcast will you..Stop polluting the forum and stick to your 4 listerns per podcast that your mom, Sister, Grandmother and Match teacher listens to.

What an atrocious poster.

The Mike Costello of spurstalk




You must've grown up without a father or he must've not loved you enough for the attention who're that you've become...

[apalisoc_9]

You must've grown up without a father or he must've not loved you enough for the attention who're that you've become...

Says the guy that made 1000 threads about his podcast that no one listens to :lol

Freaking Mike Costello

[coachmac87]

bruh, the Patty, Gasol, and Gay signings were ridiculous. Quit trying to spin it as anything other than a wreck of an offseason. And anyone who's a fan of Tim Duncan or the Spurs should be disgusted with Pau getting this kind of coin while Tim took a discount to make us more competitive.

Gasol didn't take a discount, him and his agent went in dry on Pop and R.C. :td


I'll be outraged if the season started next week...I'm sorry I have more patience lol.

This off-season has been a roller coaster ride...some think the rides over....I necessarily don't think so lol