Active shooter in Las Vegas

[CosmicCowboy]

Rent free lololol

You searched back almost a year to another absolute statement of fact. I was in the mountains with no internet service.

Thanks for reminding me about a great trip, though. Hope I get invited again this year.

[Trainwreck2100]

Whatdidimiss?

[CosmicCowboy]

Whatdidimiss?

Me?

[RandomGuy]

Rent free lololol

You searched back almost a year to another absolute statement of fact. I was in the mountains with no internet service.

Thanks for reminding me about a great trip, though. Hope I get invited again this year.

Man I was hoping to see something mildly interesting about gun control. Guess the forum is in its death throes.

I miss mountains. Gotta go visit my brother again.

[RandomGuy]

Did ducks bump a page worth of threads to bury #pedopeegate?

That is as good of a theory as any. I think ducks does that every once in a while to something. Generally easy to figure out what he is trying to bury and bump it. heh.

[Blake]

Rent free lololol

You searched back almost a year to another absolute statement of fact. I was in the mountains with no internet service.

Thanks for reminding me about a great trip, though. Hope I get invited again this year.

Lol 10 second search for threads you started where you were bragging.

[Blake]

Man I was hoping to see something mildly interesting about gun control.

Why would you start reading on page 15

[RandomGuy]

Why would you start reading on page 15

I skimmed the last couple of pages. Generally work my way backwards towards the first page to see how things develop when I am trying to catch up.

[RandomGuy]

"What bullets do to bodies"

http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/gun-violence/


Excellent journalism. A profile of a beyond-veteran trauma surgeon, and what bullets do to human beings.

[Chris]

http://i66.tinypic.com/5ml0l2.jpg

[Blake]

I skimmed the last couple of pages. Generally work my way backwards towards the first page to see how things develop when I am trying to catch up.

Go back before ducks was peeing on 13 year olds and you might find some real talk

[Blake]

http://i66.tinypic.com/5ml0l2.jpg

Oh Chris is here. Fake meme time.

[RandomGuy]

https://tribwtic.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/sandy-hook-victims.png

Here are the Sandy Hook victims.

Their small bodies were pretty much shredded by the assault rifle used on them.

If this didn't move the needle, then this Vegas shooting won't either.

Guess we have to keep sacrificing adults and children on the altar of gun worship.

[Pavlov]

http://i66.tinypic.com/5ml0l2.jpgChris with the fake news meme.

Again.

[RandomGuy]

Chris with the fake news meme.

Again.

Someone has to take the mantle of Most Gullible, since mouse's departure.

[Pavlov]

Man I was hoping to see something mildly interesting about gun control. Guess the forum is in its death throes.The closest anyone got was agreeing to register these bump stock things. I asked why anyone would need one and everything went to shit.

Board conservatives are cool with full body scans at hotels now tho. That's the real problem.

[RandomGuy]

The closest anyone got was agreeing to register these bump stock things. I asked why anyone would need one and everything went to shit.

Board conservatives are cool with full body scans at hotels now tho. That's the real problem.

I guess valuing children's lives after they get out of the womb is not a priority. (rolls eyes)

[Pavlov]

I guess valuing children's lives after they get out of the womb is not a priority. (rolls eyes)Yeah, the only answer after Sandy Hook was "moar guns!" Now they want metal detectors and xray machines at all the resorts -- but it's "not the time" to talk about gun control.

[Spurminator]

Obviously the only solution to gun violence is to give up more freedoms to the very police state we may fight with our stockpiles of guns if they try to take our freedoms.

[spurraider21]

Obviously the only solution to gun violence is to give up more freedoms to the very police state we may fight with our stockpiles of guns if they try to take our freedoms.
Is it a better solution to give up guns to the very police state trying to take our freedoms?

thats a strange way to argue it

[Spurminator]

Is it a better solution to give up guns to the very police state trying to take our freedoms?

thats a strange way to argue it

I don't recall making that argument.

[diego]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLJz2D8UQAAs38k.jpg

Still crickets (from page 9)

[Chris]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22221674_10209436676625243_6629037499129563599_n.j pg?oh=7a0b731be4853162350cd2c9e56f29dd&oe=5A796C37

[spurraider21]

:lmao

[Pavlov]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22221674_10209436676625243_6629037499129563599_n.j pg?oh=7a0b731be4853162350cd2c9e56f29dd&oe=5A796C37Yes, we all recall the great 9/11/2017 attacks in Las Vegas at all the large Monday public gatherings.

[Trill Clinton]

915708094318907392

[Chris]

Yes, we all recall the great 9/11/2017 attacks in Las Vegas at all the large Monday public gatherings.

Someone can't read :lol

[spurraider21]

Someone can't read :lol
Agreed

[DMC]

I don't know what that means. Was that a clever saying back in your day?

Ergo the saying

[Pavlov]

Someone can't read :lolWhat did I miss, Chris?

[boutons_deux]

Franklin Graham praises Trump for not politicizing Vegas — then blames Hollywood for massacre
https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/newsmax_graham_151006a-2-800x430.jpg

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/franklin-graham-praises-trump-for-not-politicizing-vegas-then-blames-hollywood-for-massacre/

FG is either really stupid, or realizes his sheeple are really stupid enough to swallow his shit.

[ElNono]

He's aware of how it works.

"If for whatever reason, any part of this request is unavailable or not able to be produced at this time due to claims of “ongoing investigation,” I request that any segregrable documents that can be produced, be produced within twenty days."

If he's really a lawyer, he knows the FBI can't share anything as long as there's an ongoing investigation... you're more likely to get that info from a leak. You can't segregate until the investigation is concluded for obvious reasons (it puts the liability on the side of the FBI if some of such documents are found to be important post-investigation).

[Pavlov]

If he's really a lawyer, he knows the FBI can't share anything as long as there's an ongoing investigation... you're more likely to get that info from a leak. You can't segregate until the investigation is concluded for obvious reasons (it puts the liability on the side of the FBI if some of such documents are found to be important post-investigation).FWIW Deadpool, Esq. got shut the fuck down with a couple perfunctory emails.

[Chris]

What did I miss, Chris?

Still confused :lol Poor Pav :lmao

[DMC]

The closest anyone got was agreeing to register these bump stock things. I asked why anyone would need one and everything went to shit.

Board conservatives are cool with full body scans at hotels now tho. That's the real problem.

So if you get people to agree with you, then what? You've had years and years and have yet to do one thing about it, just one.

Conservative approach: "Let's go make this happen"
Liberal approach: "someone needs to go make this happen"

[Pavlov]

Still confused :lol Poor Pav :lmaoLet me know what it is, if anything, Chris.


So if you get people to agree with you, then what? You've had years and years and have yet to do one thing about it, just one.

Conservative approach: "Let's go make this happen"
Liberal approach: "someone needs to go make this happen":lol internets man of action making things happen!

[DMC]

:lol 538
:lol fake news
:lol same people who said Hillary would win

So Reck is a contributor there?

[Chris]

Let me know what it is, if anything, Chris.

Nah I'm good :lol

[DMC]

Let me know what it is, if anything, Chris.

:lol internets man of action making things happen!

I still have my guns and my rights.

[Spurminator]

:lol Yeah liberals never try to do anything about gun control.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many-gun-control-proposals-have-been-offered-since-2011/

What a retarded fucking take.

[Chris]

"Hotels around Vegas are now being fitted with metal detectors, like airports." -Milo

[Pavlov]

Nah I'm good :lolSo I didn't miss anything and scoffing at the 9/11 prediction is spot on.

[Pavlov]

I still have my guns and my rights.Yes, because you've done so much like let us know you can murder us with those guns and look up our personal information.

[Chris]

So I didn't miss anything and scoffing at the 9/11 prediction is spot on.

Still not getting it. :lol

[Pavlov]

Still not getting it. :lolYou're free to tell me about the 9/11/2017 three black van prediction you posted.

My prediction is you won't.

[Chris]

You're free to tell me about the 9/11/2017 three black van prediction you posted.

My prediction is you won't.

My prediction is you did not read the whole thing :lol

[DMC]

Yes, because you've done so much like let us know you can murder us with those guns and look up our personal information.

I can also create false narratives like you do and sling baseless accusations as a smoke screen to cover my exit.

I have the results I want. You don't. Case closed.

[Pavlov]

My prediction is you did not read the whole thing :lolDid. What did I miss, Chris? Use your words.

[Pavlov]

I can also create false narratives like you do and sling baseless accusations as a smoke screen to cover my exit.

I have the results I want. You don't. Case closed.:lmao baseless

[SnakeBoy]

:lol Yeah liberals never try to do anything about gun control.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many-gun-control-proposals-have-been-offered-since-2011/

What a retarded fucking take.

How many were proposed when Democrats actually had the power to pass them?

[monosylab1k]

My prediction is you did not read the whole thing :lol

Hold on everyone, I’m disabling 4chanconspiratard.exe from Chris’ startup. Unfortunately trumpmemespam.exe & breitbartregurgitation.exe are essential for Chris to function at all, so those will need to be recoded.

[Chris]

*autistic screeching

Anyone have a translator for this libtard faggot? :lmao

[monosylab1k]

Anyone have a translator for this libtard faggot? :lmao

copyschtick.exe still functioning :tu

[Pavlov]

Well Chris, since your conspiracy names Sheldon Adelson and Trump just met with Adelson the very next day after the mass murder, it is clear you think Trump is at the very center of the conspiracy you posted.

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22141246_1498582376857301_7278233865090090147_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=fcd0acfe03d572a755ac2c9464a11920&oe=5A3B0840

[DarrinS]

This is a really strange case. I think there’s a lot more to it than this one guy. Have to wait to find out more.

[Spurminator]

How many were proposed when Democrats actually had the power to pass them?

Don't know. Are you implying that liberals don't really want to pass meaningful gun ownership restrictions? That'll be news to the NRA.

*Plenty of Dems on the NRA teet too.

[ducks]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/21963/watch-las-vegas-sheriff-says-he-thinks-shooter-had-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand

Interesting

[spurraider21]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/21963/watch-las-vegas-sheriff-says-he-thinks-shooter-had-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand

Interesting

so you think I should pee infront of your 13 year old daughter?

[Will Hunting]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/21963/watch-las-vegas-sheriff-says-he-thinks-shooter-had-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand

Interesting
Nowhere near as interesting as your fetish for peeing on 13 year old girls :lol

[pgardn]

Conservative approach: "Let's go make this happen"
Liberal approach: "someone needs to go make this happen"


Just beautiful .

Obamacare happened and then ...

yeah....

[Quadzilla99]

So if you get people to agree with you, then what? You've had years and years and have yet to do one thing about it, just one.

Conservative approach: "Let's go make this happen"
Liberal approach: "someone needs to go make this happen"

Feinstein is sponsoring a bill for bump stocks that some Republicans said already they support so she's literally making it happen.

[SnakeBoy]

Don't know. Are you implying that liberals don't really want to pass meaningful gun ownership restrictions? That'll be news to the NRA.

*Plenty of Dems on the NRA teet too.

You know

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You'll never get to suck it, faggot.

Well thank goodness for that. Maybe you can get Chucho to do it for you.

Now shouldn't you be trying to impress random anonymous people with your assets and weekend plans, little dick? It is Thursday now.

[ducks]

Thomas Gunderson, who was shot in the leg during Sunday night's deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas, refused to remain in his hospital bed Wednesday when President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump visited his bedside. Had to stand to show him respect he deserves

[Chucho]

LOL, rent free in a big-timer's insecure mind. "I'm putting you on ignore, but can't stop referring to you".

It's gotta suck being a hypocrite and the thing you claim to hate. Typical LOLeftist tho with his "It's ok for me, but not you because of your political affiliation". Replace "political affiliation" with "race", "religion" "skin color" "sexual orientation" and you think exactly how a racist/bigot/"bad person" thinks.

Fuzzy is an insecure, hypocritical, pseudo intellectual elitist. A perfect example of why Leftism was rejected and begat the lousy, shit-for-brains twit we have in the Bleached House right now.

[Pavlov]

Thomas Gunderson, who was shot in the leg during Sunday night's deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas, refused to remain in his hospital bed Wednesday when President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump visited his bedside. Had to stand to show him respect he deserves:lol Trump is a turd.

[CosmicCowboy]

Man I was hoping to see something mildly interesting about gun control. Guess the forum is in its death throes.

I miss mountains. Gotta go visit my brother again.
Yeah, gun control was somewhat involved.Did an amazing three day elk hunt on a 50,000 acre ranch basically inside Turners 250,000 acre ranch. Passed up a 6x6 on tbe first day that would have probably gone 375 but he was across a canyon and tbe meat would have spoiled by the time we packed him out.hunted hard the next two days and finally jumped three bulls right at sundown. They ran straight into the sunset up a 200 foot ridge and one stopped and looked back at the top backlit by this glorious pink and orange sunset. All I could see was a black sillouette against the sunset. Broke his neck at 275 yards and he dropped dead in his tracks. He was a 6x6 but not as big as the one on the first day but no biggie...i've killed bigger elk before. processed him myself and daaaaamn he ate good. But yeah, gun control was involved in the story. :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

for those that say aussie gun laws is an example that can work = fail
the clowns who are allowed to get guns are usually targets by thieves to steal from and go use them or resell them, the clown that loss their gun can go get a new one as long they fit whatever new criteria... its always the same idiots who loses their guns man...choice of gun is usually shotgun, guns used in robberies are sawn-off shotguns to make it shorter...

then u have the smuggled guns though the ports, or home made handguns...

[DMC]

Feinstein is sponsoring a bill for bump stocks that some Republicans said already they support so she's literally making it happen.

Yes we'll see. You do realize this whole bump stock thing is a side issue that is going to guarantee that the Democrats are placated to have anything passed regarding firearms but everything else will just remain untouched.

[DMC]

:lmao baseless

I've challenged you more than once too support your claims but you've balked each time.

I'm going to just assume you don't have any evidence and like everything else you do here, this is just another post whoring schtick.

[midnightpulp]

for those that say aussie gun laws is an example that can work = fail
the clowns who are allowed to get guns are usually targets by thieves to steal from and go use them or resell them, the clown that loss their gun can go get a new one as long they fit whatever new criteria... its always the same idiots who loses their guns man...choice of gun is usually shotgun, guns used in robberies are sawn-off shotguns to make it shorter...

then u have the smuggled guns though the ports, or home made handguns...

Those bikies have a lot of guns, right?

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22228391_421605314902956_1355519836654298366_n.png .jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=3a8938e7f4e2a662b46cd3019db4d06c&oe=5A435C90

[CosmicCowboy]

It would be simple to get rid of guns. Just pass a law outlawing them. See how well its worked with drugs?

[benefactor]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22228391_421605314902956_1355519836654298366_n.png .jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=3a8938e7f4e2a662b46cd3019db4d06c&oe=5A435C90
drip drip drip

[RandomGuy]

for those that say aussie gun laws is an example that can work = fail
the clowns who are allowed to get guns are usually targets by thieves to steal from and go use them or resell them, the clown that loss their gun can go get a new one as long they fit whatever new criteria... its always the same idiots who loses their guns man...choice of gun is usually shotgun, guns used in robberies are sawn-off shotguns to make it shorter...

then u have the smuggled guns though the ports, or home made handguns...

No one disputes guns can't be had with efforts.

Where Aussie gun laws succeed is avoiding mass shootings with hundreds of victims.

[RandomGuy]

It would be simple to get rid of guns. Just pass a law outlawing them. See how well its worked with drugs?

Rough analogy, but not quite apt.

Pot plant = seed, soil, and water.

Guns = long industrial supply chain that is not easily replicated on any scale

The other failure of this analogy is that guns are not known to be physically addictive.

Are you saying that guns are addictive?

[boutons_deux]

"Just pass a law outlawing them"

goddamn, you and strawman are stupid

[RandomGuy]

Obviously the only solution to gun violence is to give up more freedoms to the very police state we may fight with our stockpiles of guns if they try to take our freedoms.

Those same police can seize your car or any amount of money, just 'cause. They can search you, well, because they feel like it.

Those guns don't seem very handy in either of these cases.

[RandomGuy]

This is a really strange case. I think there’s a lot more to it than this one guy. Have to wait to find out more.

There's not.

Not that I expect your critical thinking skills to protect you from believing something false. You have a bad track record in that regard.

[spurraider21]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22228391_421605314902956_1355519836654298366_n.png .jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=3a8938e7f4e2a662b46cd3019db4d06c&oe=5A435C90
Why does ducks fall for more fake news than anyone not named Chris

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/hondswitz.asp

[RandomGuy]

Conservative approach: "Let's ignore problems or work to make them worse, because evidence is for libtards and science is a librul conspiracy"
Liberal approach: "let's do something based on what the evidence says"

FIFY.

[Spurminator]

You know

I really don't. Enlighten me and then answer the larger question of intent.

[spurraider21]

Seriously ducks

Can you address why you always post fake memes. You never respond when called out

[Spurminator]

It would be simple to get rid of guns. Just pass a law outlawing them. See how well its worked with drugs?

Well at least you type out the strawman memes instead of just posting the image like Chris.

[boutons_deux]

Pat Robertson Just Blamed Vegas Massacre On Not Loving Trump Enough

The far-right televangelist Pat Robertson, who has blamed LGBTQ people for hurricanes, (https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-donald-trumps-buddies-blamed-obama-and-homosexuals-for-hurricanes) set the bar even lower today by claiming that disrespect for our flag and our president are to blame in the heinous Las Vegas mass shooting that took place at a country music concert last night.

http://verifiedpolitics.com/pat-robertson-just-blamed-vegas-massacre-not-loving-trump-enough-watch/

no, he's not to be ignored, ridiculed because he's old, senile.

He's TYPIFIES evangelical Bible-induced insanity, and it's made him and all the evangelical grifters extremely wealthy.

[spurraider21]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22228391_421605314902956_1355519836654298366_n.png .jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=3a8938e7f4e2a662b46cd3019db4d06c&oe=5A435C90


Why does ducks fall for more fake news than anyone not named Chris (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/hondswitz.asp ducks you never answered

[Chucho]

FIFY.

Late term abortion?

[ducks]

ducks you never answered

who says snope is right?
do your on research!

[ducks]

so who can become a factchecker?
what makes them qualified to be a factchecker?
can factcheckers give to politics?

[spurraider21]

who says snope is right?
do your on research!
Did you do research before posting the Facebook meme as fact? Is gun ownership required in Switzerland? Show me.

[Pavlov]

so who can become a meme maker?
what makes them qualified to be a meme maker?
can meme makers give to politics?

[spurraider21]

so who can become a factchecker?
what makes them qualified to be a factchecker?
can factcheckers give to politics?
You can be a fact checker if you check facts before posting them

[TSA]

No one disputes guns can't be had with efforts.

Where Aussie gun laws succeed is avoiding mass shootings with hundreds of victims.
I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.9edf9c383f48

Leah Libresco is a statistician and former newswriter at FiveThirtyEight, a data journalism site. She is the author of “Arriving at Amen.”

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.

Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

research at link

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths-mass-shootings/

[ducks]

so where do you go to check facts
cnn.com?
rawstory.com?

[Pavlov]

so where do you go to check facts
cnn.com?
rawstory.com?Where do you go to check your memes?

[Pavlov]

I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.9edf9c383f48

Leah Libresco is a statistician and former newswriter at FiveThirtyEight, a data journalism site. She is the author of “Arriving at Amen.”

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.

Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

research at link

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths-mass-shootings/So do nothing.

Done.

Feels good.

[ducks]

Where do you go to check your memes?

so you answer a question with an question instead of posting the answer
why

[Pavlov]

so you answer a question with an question instead of posting the answer
whySnopes and similar sites have links to their research. You are free to look at them or look for independent verification through other sources.

Where do you go to check the veracity of your memes, ducks?

[monosylab1k]

who says snope is right?
do your on research!

Stop peeing on little girls

[TSA]

So do nothing.

Done.

Feels good.

Older men, who make up the largest share of gun suicides, need better access to people who could care for them and get them help. Women endangered by specific men need to be prioritized by police, who can enforce restraining orders prohibiting these men from buying and owning guns. Younger men at risk of violence need to be identified before they take a life or lose theirs and to be connected to mentors who can help them de-escalate conflicts.

Even the most data-driven practices, such as New Orleans’ plan to identify gang members for intervention based on previous arrests and weapons seizures, wind up more personal than most policies floated. The young men at risk can be identified by an algorithm, but they have to be disarmed one by one, personally — not en masse as though they were all interchangeable. A reduction in gun deaths is most likely to come from finding smaller chances for victories and expanding those solutions as much as possible. We save lives by focusing on a range of tactics to protect the different kinds of potential victims and reforming potential killers, not from sweeping bans focused on the guns themselves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.312c38727daa


New Orleans Searches For The Truth

By Ben Casselman

Cities have made great strides in reducing murders of young men. The next step will be much harder.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/homicide-in-new-orleans/

[rjv]

I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.9edf9c383f48

Leah Libresco is a statistician and former newswriter at FiveThirtyEight, a data journalism site. She is the author of “Arriving at Amen.”

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.

Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

research at link

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths-mass-shootings/ while this is an appropriate analysis of the gun-control proponents anecdotal reasoning for restrictions, it is also not a definitive argument for those who oppose gun control. The fact is that both sides ultimately have to rely upon Bayesian probablity, anecdotal evidence and subjectivism. As a result, we are left with incomplete conclusions that are often littered with the debris of cherry-picking and specious reasoning.

[TSA]

So do nothing.

Done.

Feels good.

What have you done in the 3 days since the Vegas shooting to get bumpfire stocks banned? Bitching about them on Spurstalk does not count for anything.

[Pavlov]

Older men, who make up the largest share of gun suicides, need better access to people who could care for them and get them help. Women endangered by specific men need to be prioritized by police, who can enforce restraining orders prohibiting these men from buying and owning guns. Younger men at risk of violence need to be identified before they take a life or lose theirs and to be connected to mentors who can help them de-escalate conflicts.

Even the most data-driven practices, such as New Orleans’ plan to identify gang members for intervention based on previous arrests and weapons seizures, wind up more personal than most policies floated. The young men at risk can be identified by an algorithm, but they have to be disarmed one by one, personally — not en masse as though they were all interchangeable. A reduction in gun deaths is most likely to come from finding smaller chances for victories and expanding those solutions as much as possible. We save lives by focusing on a range of tactics to protect the different kinds of potential victims and reforming potential killers, not from sweeping bans focused on the guns themselves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.312c38727daa


New Orleans Searches For The Truth

By Ben Casselman

Cities have made great strides in reducing murders of young men. The next step will be much harder.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/homicide-in-new-orleans/So do nothing to muh guns and hope someone else does something that does nothing to muh guns.

Done.

Feels good.

[Pavlov]

What have you done in the 3 days since the Vegas shooting to get bumpfire stocks banned? Bitching about them on Spurstalk does not count for anything.I have done everything you want done about gun violence in the US.

Which is nothing.

[DarrinS]

You ban those bumpfire stocks and people will just make their own, tbh.

[Pavlov]

No bans on anything. Laws everywhere should be just like the laws in Nevada. Everything worked out fine there.

[spurraider21]

so where do you go to check facts
cnn.com?
rawstory.com?
If your fact makes a claim about Switzerlands laws I would look into their legal code. Or articles about their gun legislation.

Basically anything that isn't a meme or Facebook post really

You can Google and look around. There's a full Wikipedia entry on it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland

How about this ducks. Show me a any source that verifies your claim that Switzerland requires everyone to own a gun. You choose the source

[Pavlov]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/homicide-in-new-orleans/Also, what happened?

871350827960676353

[TSA]

Also, what happened?

871350827960676353


The strategies seemed to work, at least at first. Murders fell from 200 in 2011, the year before NOLA for Life began, to 193 in 2012, to 150 in 2014. Total shootings, which many experts consider a better measure of street crime, also fell. A 2015 study by University of Cincinnati criminologists Nicholas Corsaro and Robin Engel attributed the declines to the call-ins, indictments and related strategies.

Murders rose in 2015, however, and although they are down so far in 2016, shootings are up slightly. New Orleans hasn’t yet achieved as dramatic a decline in murder as those experienced by Boston and some other cities.

Landrieu and his critics disagree over why progress has slowed. But Corsaro said that at some point, a leveling off was inevitable. The combination of call-ins and indictments succeeded in taking some of the city’s most violent offenders off the streets, or perhaps of convincing others to reform. But such strategies can only achieve so much.

“There is a diminishing return,” Corsaro said. “There has to be. If you’ve got a small percentage of gang members that are driving your violence and you focus on them and they go away for whatever reason … then you’re going to hit a ceiling.”

[Pavlov]

The strategies seemed to work, at least at first. Murders fell from 200 in 2011, the year before NOLA for Life began, to 193 in 2012, to 150 in 2014. Total shootings, which many experts consider a better measure of street crime, also fell. A 2015 study by University of Cincinnati criminologists Nicholas Corsaro and Robin Engel attributed the declines to the call-ins, indictments and related strategies.

Murders rose in 2015, however, and although they are down so far in 2016, shootings are up slightly. New Orleans hasn’t yet achieved as dramatic a decline in murder as those experienced by Boston and some other cities.

Landrieu and his critics disagree over why progress has slowed. But Corsaro said that at some point, a leveling off was inevitable. The combination of call-ins and indictments succeeded in taking some of the city’s most violent offenders off the streets, or perhaps of convincing others to reform. But such strategies can only achieve so much.

“There is a diminishing return,” Corsaro said. “There has to be. If you’ve got a small percentage of gang members that are driving your violence and you focus on them and they go away for whatever reason … then you’re going to hit a ceiling.”Yeah, what happened after that story?

[TSA]

I have done everything you want done about gun violence in the US.

Which is nothing.

you should spend less time online pretending to care about issues you admit to doing nothing about.
log off of spurstalk and actually do something about. You are pathetic.

[Pavlov]

you should spend less time online pretending to care about issues you admit to doing nothing about.
log off of spurstalk and actually do something about. You are pathetic.Don't get angry with me. I'm doing exactly what you want me to about gun laws.

Nothing.

All your whining worked.

[boutons_deux]

No matter what is proposed, legislative/judicial whores to BigGun/NRA will block it.

There are solutions to reduce gun ownersheip, increase owner responsiblity and accountability, but the oligarchy pays the legislative/judicial whores so it can flood, will continue to flood USA with guns and ammo for profit.

As O'Reilly said, the LV massacre proves America is a free country, is nothing but the price of freedom.

[spurraider21]

you should spend less time online pretending to care about issues you admit to doing nothing about.
log off of spurstalk and actually do something about. You are pathetic.
What have you done to stop clinton podesta pedo ring after learning about it

[Pavlov]

What have you done to stop clinton podesta pedo ring after learning about it:lmao

[clambake]

What have you done to stop clinton podesta pedo ring after learning about it

these things take time.


he's following the dough.

[TSA]

What have you done to stop clinton podesta pedo ring after learning about it

You can't stop something that was never proven to have been started in the first place.

[TSA]

Don't get angry with me. I'm doing exactly what you want me to about gun laws.

Nothing.

All your whining worked.

I'm not angry in the least bit and I've whined about nothing. I'm laughing at how pathetic your admission was. You were called out for not doing shit to further a cause you "believed" in and you admitted to doing nothing about it. You are the worst type of fraud.

[Pavlov]

You can't stop something that was never proven to have been started in the first place.:lmao This could be the biggest walkback in message board history.


I'm not angry in the least bit and I've whined about nothing. I'm laughing at how pathetic your admission was. You were called out for not doing shit to further a cause you "believed" in and you admitted to doing nothing about it. You are the worst type of fraud.Your whining convinced me to do nothing to touch your guns or mods. You told me they were fun so all the past and future deaths of all the schoolchildren and concert goers will be worth it.

Be happy.

[RandomGuy]

Heard an interesting theory from a guy who was familiar with drug-induced psychotic breaks, who says that the Las Vegas shooter may have had one, i.e. a reaction to a medication. It tends to be sudden, hard to spot, and keeps a lot of basic personality traits intact, such as an accountants, methodical, thorough planning.

Be interesting to see the coroners report.

[RandomGuy]

I'm not angry in the least bit and I've whined about nothing. I'm laughing at how pathetic your admission was. You were called out for not doing shit to further a cause you "believed" in and you admitted to doing nothing about it. You are the worst type of fraud.

It is Mueller time yet? How's that Clinton investigation going?

[Pavlov]

I just asked Lyin' Ted and No-Wall McCaul what their positions are on bump stocks are now that the NRA gave them some breathing room. I admit it's not as sexy as a Deadpool FIOA request but if they hint at hearings I'm going to tell them and Cornyn a guy from California said they're fun so back off.

[Pavlov]

Heard an interesting theory from a guy who was familiar with drug-induced psychotic breaks, who says that the Las Vegas shooter may have had one, i.e. a reaction to a medication. It tends to be sudden, hard to spot, and keeps a lot of basic personality traits intact, such as an accountants, methodical, thorough planning.

Be interesting to see the coroners report.That's a long term break. Only thing I heard he was prescribed was Valium.

[TSA]

:lmao This could be the biggest walkback in message board history.

Your whining convinced me to do nothing to touch your guns or mods. You told me they were fun so all the past and future deaths of all the schoolchildren and concert goers will be worth it.

Be happy.

Why do you bitch about gun control and bumpfire stocks and then choose to do nothing about it? Serious question.

[Pavlov]

Why do you bitch about gun control and bumpfire stocks and then choose to do nothing about it? Serious question.Just told you what I did. I know one lawmaker's position but not the others.

Have you dropped your pizzagate investigation entirely?

Serious question.

[TSA]

Heard an interesting theory from a guy who was familiar with drug-induced psychotic breaks, who says that the Las Vegas shooter may have had one, i.e. a reaction to a medication. It tends to be sudden, hard to spot, and keeps a lot of basic personality traits intact, such as an accountants, methodical, thorough planning.

Be interesting to see the coroners report.

How long can these psychotic breaks last? He's apparently been casing concerts for a while and didn't build up his arsenal in a day or two.

[TSA]

Just told you what I did. I know one lawmaker's position but not the others.

Have you dropped your pizzagate investigation entirely?

Serious question.

You failed to answer the question. I didn't ask what you did but why. Why do you bitch about gun control and bumpfire stocks and then choose to do nothing about it?

[TSA]

It is Mueller time yet? How's that Clinton investigation going?

Going as well as your Mueller time investigation....zero indictments.

[DMC]

You ban those bumpfire stocks and people will just make their own, tbh.

That will be akin to a class 2 manufacturer violation, just like sawing off a shotgun barrel or stock and creating a SBR or AOW. You can even make a sear quite easily, but try registering it or getting caught with an unregistered one.

If the design itself is outlawed, the large majority of folks won't build one because it's illegal and 10 years in the pen doesn't sound good. This is probably why the shooter in Vegas didn't use a fully automatic weapon though he could have legally purchased one OR built his own.

[Pavlov]

You failed to answer the question. I didn't ask what you did but why. Why do you bitch about gun control and bumpfire stocks and then choose to do nothing about it?Since I just did something, your question is moot.

Have you dropped the pizzagate investigation entirely?

[RandomGuy]

How long can these psychotic breaks last? He's apparently been casing concerts for a while and didn't build up his arsenal in a day or two.

As long as the medication/drug is in his system.

[RandomGuy]

Going as well as your Mueller time investigation....zero indictments.

Nice dodge. About what I would expect. Can't bring yourself to admit you were wrong, and your precious 4chan was full of shit.

It isn't the end of the world, dude.

[RandomGuy]

You failed to answer the question. I didn't ask what you did but why. Why do you bitch about gun control and bumpfire stocks and then choose to do nothing about it?

The number of problems and concerns I have are vastly beyond the time available to do anything about. Were I to guess, chumpy would answer the same.

Relevence?

You going to try for the failed tu quoque line of reasoning too?

[TSA]

Since I just did something, your question is moot.

Have you dropped the pizzagate investigation entirely?
You answered half of the question, try again. Why do you bitch about gun control here and then admit to doing nothing about it?

[DMC]

while this is an appropriate analysis of the gun-control proponents anecdotal reasoning for restrictions, it is also not a definitive argument for those who oppose gun control. The fact is that both sides ultimately have to rely upon Bayesian probablity, anecdotal evidence and subjectivism. As a result, we are left with incomplete conclusions that are often littered with the debris of cherry-picking and specious reasoning.

The idea is to debunk the notion that the gun ban had a positive effect made evident by the lack of a shooting spree. It's like saying that the spare tire in my trunk prevents me from getting a flat since i haven't gotten one during the entire time I've had the spare tire, although I only had one flat tire prior.

[Pavlov]

You answered half of the question, try again. Why do you bitch about gun control here and then admit to doing nothing about it?Just did something about it.

Have you dropped your pizzagate investigation entirely?

[TSA]

The number of problems and concerns I have are vastly beyond the time available to do anything about. Were I to guess, chumpy would answer the same.

Relevence?

You going to try for the failed tu quoque line of reasoning too?

The difference between the two of you is that you'll actually try and do something about it. I respect a person who at least tries regardless of whether or not I agree with their position.

[spurraider21]

You can't stop something that was never proven to have been started in the first place.
:lmao what does this art imply
:lmao epstein
:lmao podesta sketches
:lmao acosta
:lmao fbi recognized pedo symbol
:lmao "the chaffetz bill"
:lmao besta pizza logo change
:lmao laura silsby
:lmao Jeff sessions and trump personally organizing stings in Tennessee
:lmao chicken lover
:lmao band that played there had a triangle in 0.2 seconds of their music video
:lmao alefantis

[TSA]

Just did something about it.

Have you dropped your pizzagate investigation entirely?

Screenshot of your email to Ted Cruz.

[rjv]

The idea is to debunk the notion that the gun ban had a positive effect made evident by the lack of a shooting spree. It's like saying that the spare tire in my trunk prevents me from getting a flat since i haven't gotten one during the entire time I've had the spare tire, although I only had one flat tire prior. yes, that is what I stated, but I also added that the same logic is applied in the opposite direction. to make the conclusion that this proves nothing is also predicated upon the same logic (or fallacy). One cannot say they have debunked anything much in the same context that one cannot say they have proven something.

[RandomGuy]

The difference between the two of you is that you'll actually try and do something about it. I respect a person who at least tries regardless of whether or not I agree with their position.

No, actually I won't really do anything, other than support Democrats who want gun control. I don't have the time to do something about everything.

Does voting for gun control count?

Why don't we get to have actual popular elections for such things? I don't remember getting the chance recently.

[Pavlov]

Screenshot of your email to Ted Cruz.:lmao no thanks, it's a form. I'm not super careful and not going to give you or DMC any more personal information than you already have. I learned when pictures of what people said was Avante started making the rounds that people gt doxxed for no absolutely reason at all around here.

[TSA]

No, actually I won't really do anything, other than support Democrats who want gun control. I don't have the time to do something about everything.

Does voting for gun control count?

Why don't we get to have actual popular elections for such things? I don't remember getting the chance recently.


this place is full of a bunch of liberal blowhard do nothings :rollin you had me fooled RG.

[TSA]

:lmao no thanks, it's a form. I'm not super careful and not going to give you or DMC any more personal information than you already have. I learned when pictures of what people said was Avante started making the rounds that people gt doxxed for no absolutely reason at all around here.

I don't believe you sent any form. You admitted to not doing shit about it before, no reason you would do shit about it now because of pressure from an anonymous message board poster.

[Pavlov]

Well the leading ar15.com theory is that this guy is a liberal and shot everyone up to prove that guns are bad.

TSA, do you subscribe to this theory and would this count as liberal activism in your book?

[Pavlov]

I don't believe you sent any form.Great.

Have you dropped your pizzagate investigation entirely?

[TSA]

Great.

Have you dropped your pizzagate investigation entirely?

gone underground to avoid the shariablue shills on voat

[Pavlov]

gone underground to avoid the shariablue shills on voatSo what have you discovered since your last update?

Feel free to bump your conspiracy thread. I can find it if you have problems.

[DMC]

yes, that is what I stated, but I also added that the same logic is applied in the opposite direction. to make the conclusion that this proves nothing is also predicated upon the same logic (or fallacy). One cannot say they have debunked anything much in the same context that one cannot say they have proven something.
I don't think it was applied in the other direction though I do see the problem with TSA's article, it seems to debunk itself by considering absence of evidence to be evidence of absence. It only allows that in one way however, not the other.

But there has to be a claim, and the claim is that the gun ban was effective, and the evidence cited was the lack of the very rare mass shooting. So a more accurate claim would be "thus far it appears that..." . It would be more accurate than drawing any other conclusion for or against, but since the act of making guns illegal was an extreme measure, you really need more than "jury is still out" to support it when you try to use Australia as an example.

[DMC]

this place is full of a bunch of liberal blowhard do nothings :rollin you had me fooled RG.

I exposed this fact: Me

[TSA]

Well the leading ar15.com theory is that this guy is a liberal and shot everyone up to prove that guns are bad.

TSA, do you subscribe to this theory and would this count as liberal activism in your book?

I'm not subscribing to any theory as hardly any information has come out yet, which is strange in and of itself. But it's a plausible theory they've got over there.

If he was a right winger that would have been leaked and blasted from the mountain tops of the media like every other white right wing shooter before him. The large amount of legally purchased guns placed all around the room that one single person could not possibly have a use for could have been Paddock's way of showing what can happen with legally purchased firearms.

[rjv]

I don't think it was applied in the other direction though I do see the problem with TSA's article, it seems to debunk itself by considering absence of evidence to be evidence of absence. It only allows that in one way however, not the other.

But there has to be a claim, and the claim is that the gun ban was effective, and the evidence cited was the lack of the very rare mass shooting. So a more accurate claim would be "thus far it appears that..." . It would be more accurate than drawing any other conclusion for or against, but since the act of making guns illegal was an extreme measure, you really need more than "jury is still out" to support it when you try to use Australia as an example. by inference it was. i mean that is the whole point of claiming to debunk. but how can one debunk something that is strictly tautological? or, conversely, how can someone prove something that is strictly tautological?

[TSA]

So what have you discovered since your last update?

Feel free to bump your conspiracy thread. I can find it if you have problems.

You are free to bump it if you'd like. I won't be discussing it further in this thread or the other.

[TSA]

I exposed this fact: Me

I've always assumed it, but I've actually got them admitting it today: Me :lol

[DMC]

by inference it was. i mean that is the whole point of claiming to debunk. but how can one debunk something that is strictly tautological? or, conversely, how can someone prove something that is strictly tautological?

If you say you have evidence of something and I show that it's not really admissible as evidence, I have debunked you without needing to disprove your claim.

[Pavlov]

I'm not subscribing to any theory as hardly any information has come out yet, which is strange in and of itself. But it's a plausible theory they've got over there.

If he was a right winger that would have been leaked and blasted from the mountain tops of the media like every other white right wing shooter before him. The large amount of legally purchased guns placed all around the room that one single person could not possibly have a use for could have been Paddock's way of showing what can happen with legally purchased firearms.Well as long as you aren't subscribing to this theory and responsibly waiting for actual proof like you always do :lol

How's Deadpool's FOIA fight going that would help prove the theory you totally aren't subscribing to going?

[DMC]

I've always assumed it, but I've actually got them admitting it today: Me :lol

Chumpster doesn't have time to do anything else, what with running 2 accounts full time and posting 24 hours a day. He's hoping to get picked up by some Russian hack organization.

[Pavlov]

You are free to bump it if you'd like. I won't be discussing it further in this thread or the other.Why not?

Wait, are you being mind controlled by Cat Stevens music? You can tell me. This is a safe space for you.

[TSA]

I don't think it was applied in the other direction though I do see the problem with TSA's article, it seems to debunk itself by considering absence of evidence to be evidence of absence. It only allows that in one way however, not the other.

But there has to be a claim, and the claim is that the gun ban was effective, and the evidence cited was the lack of the very rare mass shooting. So a more accurate claim would be "thus far it appears that..." . It would be more accurate than drawing any other conclusion for or against, but since the act of making guns illegal was an extreme measure, you really need more than "jury is still out" to support it when you try to use Australia as an example.

Did Australia and Great Britain’s reforms prevent mass shootings? It’s hard to say, simply because mass shootings are relatively rare. In the post-buyback period, Great Britain has had one massacre with guns while Australia has had none. It’s hard to calculate how many would have been expected without a ban. Australia looks more successful in this regard, because it had more frequent mass shootings before the ban (averaging about two mass shootings every three years from 1979 to 1996.3) Mass shootings in Great Britain, prior to the ban, were rarer. Prior to 1996, there hadn’t been a widely covered mass shooting in Britain since 1987.

[TSA]

Well as long as you aren't subscribing to this theory and responsibly waiting for actual proof like you always do :lol

How's Deadpool's FOIA fight going that would help prove the theory you totally aren't subscribing to going?

What are you thoughts on ar15.com's leading theory?

[boutons_deux]

KrazyAnne Conway Just Tried To Blame Obama For The Las Vegas Massacre

It was President Obama’s ATF, Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms . . .

in 2010 that decided not to regulate [the bump stock device that enabled the Las Vegas shooter to turn his gun into a rapid-fire weapon] . . .

I want to say something else . . . we did a quick search . . . this conversation isn’t being had until tragedies like this strike by those who try to be the loudest voices.



You see Hillary Clinton, who’s out on a book tour, talking about herself, not talking about this. WTF :lol

You see her rushing to judgment on Twitter the other day while people are still looking through the rubble, searching through the hospitals for their missing loved ones, trying to politicize it.

http://verifiedpolitics.com/kellyanne-conway-just-tried-blame-obama-las-vegas-massacre/

Obama and Hillary are the cause of ALL problems. :lol

[DMC]

Did Australia and Great Britain’s reforms prevent mass shootings? It’s hard to say, simply because mass shootings are relatively rare. In the post-buyback period, Great Britain has had one massacre with guns while Australia has had none. It’s hard to calculate how many would have been expected without a ban. Australia looks more successful in this regard, because it had more frequent mass shootings before the ban (averaging about two mass shootings every three years from 1979 to 1996.3) Mass shootings in Great Britain, prior to the ban, were rarer. Prior to 1996, there hadn’t been a widely covered mass shooting in Britain since 1987.
I don't take any issue with that paragraph, it's the title that's misleading. if the jury is out, then you cannot use the "told me otherwise" claim as it hasn't told you anything at all other than those making the positive claim are also jumping the gun, so to speak.

[Pavlov]

What are you thoughts on ar15.com's leading theory?Seems like classic confirmation bias with all the laughable mistaken ID photos and made up stories that go along with it. Considering he scouted out at least three other sites with wildly different crowds suggests that the method was more important than any political message. This tannerite business and the fact he offed himself pretty quickly after being confronted remind me more of Eric Harris than anyone -- of course the similarities stop there. Modern profiling is only about 50 years old and no clear motive was ever found with a guy like Whitman, so I'm open to the idea we might never really know more than we do now. I know you hope he's Antifa or something like that, and maybe he is. You can have scoreboard if you declare your theory now.

[TSA]

I don't take any issue with that paragraph, it's the title that's misleading. if the jury is out, then you cannot use the "told me otherwise" claim as it hasn't told you anything at all other than those making the positive claim are also jumping the gun, so to speak.

The title is from a different article, but same author. I see where the confusion is now.

[TSA]

Seems like classic confirmation bias with all the laughable mistaken ID photos and made up stories that go along with it. Considering he scouted out at least three other sites with wildly different crowds suggests that the method was more important than any political message. This tannerite business and the fact he offed himself pretty quickly after being confronted remind me more of Eric Harris than anyone -- of course the similarities stop there. Modern profiling is only about 50 years old and no clear motive was ever found with a guy like Whitman, so I'm open to the idea we might never really know more than we do now. I know you hope he's Antifa or something like that, and maybe he is. You can have scoreboard if you declare your theory now.

I don't think he chose that site because it was a country concert. I think he chose it because logistically it offered the least resistance and the most amount of kills. I haven't even looked at the other sites and what rooms he looked at so I'm just spitballing.

I don't think he's Antifa at all, that would have come out by now. Bikelock Antifa professor was exposed in a day. I do think it will come out that Paddock was a leftist and the only reason I think that is because the media has been so hush hush and have not even dared speculate on his political affiliation. I think they already know it.

So no, I still don't have a theory, but I do think there will be quite a bit more coming out over the next few weeks.

[DMC]

Seems like classic confirmation bias with all the laughable mistaken ID photos and made up stories that go along with it. Considering he scouted out at least three other sites with wildly different crowds suggests that the method was more important than any political message. This tannerite business and the fact he offed himself pretty quickly after being confronted remind me more of Eric Harris than anyone -- of course the similarities stop there. Modern profiling is only about 50 years old and no clear motive was ever found with a guy like Whitman, so I'm open to the idea we might never really know more than we do now. I know you hope he's Antifa or something like that, and maybe he is. You can have scoreboard if you declare your theory now.

I have to wonder if his woman ferried mixed Tannerite to locations he could reach from his window. You have to hit it with a high powered charge or supersonic round to detonate it, so if she put it in places he could shoot from there, he could also have been hoping to hit one. Just a wild theory. Can't imagine any other use except as a defense against breech by putting it on the door so they blow the shit out of the place if they shoot through it, but a shotgun wouldn't do shit, you'd need a rifle. Not even sure a handgun would set if off.

[DMC]

I don't think he chose that site because it was a country concert. I think he chose it because logistically it offered the least resistance and the most amount of kills. I haven't even looked at the other sites and what rooms he looked at so I'm just spitballing.

I don't think he's Antifa at all, that would have come out by now. Bikelock Antifa professor was exposed in a day. I do think it will come out that Paddock was a leftist and the only reason I think that is because the media has been so hush hush and have not even dared speculate on his political affiliation. I think they already know it.

So no, I still don't have a theory, but I do think there will be quite a bit more coming out over the next few weeks.
I think he was an independent based on several factors.

[Pavlov]

I don't think he chose that site because it was a country concert. I think he chose it because logistically it offered the least resistance and the most amount of kills. I haven't even looked at the other sites and what rooms he looked at so I'm just spitballing.

I don't think he's Antifa at all, that would have come out by now. Bikelock Antifa professor was exposed in a day. I do think it will come out that Paddock was a leftist and the only reason I think that is because the media has been so hush hush and have not even dared speculate on his political affiliation. I think they already know it.

So no, I still don't have a theory, but I do think there will be quite a bit more coming out over the next few weeks.Sorry, you just told us your theory.

[boutons_deux]

his brother said murderer had no religious or political affiliation.

Sounds like his lady friend is saying nothing, even if she knows. Maybe she was just a fuck buddy and abused pet, not a real intimate with shared thoughts.

[Pavlov]

I have to wonder if his woman ferried mixed Tannerite to locations he could reach from his window. You have to hit it with a high powered charge or supersonic round to detonate it, so if she put it in places he could shoot from there, he could also have been hoping to hit one. Just a wild theory. Can't imagine any other use except as a defense against breech by putting it on the door so they blow the shit out of the place if they shoot through it, but a shotgun wouldn't do shit, you'd need a rifle. Not even sure a handgun would set if off.My guess is he had more than one fantasy and if he somehow got out of the hotel he could go on with one involving bombs. OTOH he had a few days to plant it if it was part of the window shooting; maybe he just didn't find a good spot. He had to change plans before.

[Spurminator]

I'm sure eventually people will find reasons to believe he was a leftist while other people find reasons to believe he was a conservative. Or failing that, they'll just make shit up like they always do, and plenty of people will go along with it because thats what they want to believe.

But none of it matters as much as his access to a ridiculously large arsenal of ridiculously powerful weapons and his ability to use it before he was caught.

[TSA]

Sorry, you just told us your theory.

A very narrow theory if you want to call it that. I don’t have a theory on his motive.

[boutons_deux]

Trash again demonstrating he's really fucked up

“Look, we had a tragedy, What happened is in many ways a miracle. The police department has done an incredible job. "

http://verifiedpolitics.com/trump-just-said-vegas-massacre-many-ways-miracle/

what other ways a miracle? :lol

and he had a "wonderful" time LV this week. :lol

[rjv]

If you say you have evidence of something and I show that it's not really admissible as evidence, I have debunked you without needing to disprove your claim. my point is that when one is using a statistical syllogism as an argument, they are relying on a certain degree of probability to support their assertion. if one of my premises is tautological (the statistics of a lack of shooting sprees in countries with gun control) that does not mean this premise will support the conclusion that gun control will reduce the amount of shooting sprees. but that does not make the tautological premise any less true. that premise is true in any circumstance. what i think we are left with is a hypothesis, but placing the burden of proof on the person who offers this contingent statement or hypothesis would be an argumentum ad ignorantiam. i guess that's why i regard such arguments as Bayesian, or based on probability, in nature. but that is likely the case in most informal arguments such as gun control.

[Pavlov]

A very narrow theory if you want to call it that. I don’t have a theory on his motive.What actual evidence makes you think he is leftist?

[Pavlov]

I'm sure eventually people will find reasons to believe he was a leftist while other people find reasons to believe he was a conservative. Or failing that, they'll just make shit up like they always do, and plenty of people will go along with it because thats what they want to believe.

But none of it matters as much as his access to a ridiculously large arsenal of ridiculously powerful weapons and his ability to use it before he was caught.No, it's his ability to go up 32 floors.

[clambake]

my theory is that he hates people.

[DMC]

My guess is he had more than one fantasy and if he somehow got out of the hotel he could go on with one involving bombs. OTOH he had a few days to plant it if it was part of the window shooting; maybe he just didn't find a good spot. He had to change plans before.

You put ammonium nitrate with tannerite, you're creating a bomb. The car was the bomb. He just needed to shoot it. That's assuming the binary had been mixed.

[DMC]

What actual evidence makes you think he is leftist?

He was with a non-white woman.

[Pavlov]

You put ammonium nitrate with tannerite, you're creating a bomb. The car was the bomb. He just needed to shoot it. That's assuming the binary had been mixed.I read in several sources the fertilizer was in the car and the Tannerite at his home, so I'm not sure if he just forgot something or the fertilizer was just part of another contingency.

[DMC]

I read in several sources the fertilizer was in the car and the Tannerite at his home, so I'm not sure if he just forgot something or the fertilizer was just part of another contingency.

Lots of people have tannerite, You can buy it online and have it shipped. It's not illegal to transport until its mixed. 50lbs is a lot, but not an absurd amount if it's still in the binary form. If he mixed it, that's the tell tale. If not, he's just a gun nut with binary explosives.

[DMC]

There's also the possibility that the dude was trying to make his own binary explosives. He had half the ingredients in the ammonium nitrate.

[Pavlov]

Lots of people have tannerite, You can buy it online and have it shipped. It's not illegal to transport until its mixed. 50lbs is a lot, but not an absurd amount if it's still in the binary form. If he mixed it, that's the tell tale. If not, he's just a gun nut with binary explosives.I haven't seen any such details, so barring new ones I'm just going with an aborted/secondary plan for explosives.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/915998590153129984

NYT reporter covering ISIS since 2014 saying not to dismiss ISIS claim quite yet

[Pavlov]

Well ISIS can clear this up pretty easily if they want to claim det credit.

[spurraider21]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/915998590153129984

NYT reporter covering ISIS since 2014 saying not to dismiss ISIS claim quite yet
NYT is fake news

[TSA]

Well ISIS can clear this up pretty easily if they want to claim det credit.

?

[TSA]

NYT is fake news

Marriage has taken a toll on the quality of your posts

[Pavlov]

?They can give some details on the "conversion."

[spurraider21]

Marriage has taken a toll on the quality of your posts
yay personal life talk

[TSA]

yay personal life talk

And?

[TSA]

They can give some details on the "conversion."

Do they normally do that in their magazine after claiming a convert pulled off an attack? According to the reporter they rarely make false claims.

[Pavlov]

Do they normally do that in their magazine after claiming a convert pulled off an attack? According to the reporter they rarely make false claims.But they have and this is the worst shooting in modern US history with enough of an information vacuum that's incredibly easy to fill with newsletters or message board posts or YouTube videos. Why pass up that opportunity?

The crime itself doesn't seem too ISIS-y and I'm sure all his communications are being reviewed. ISIS is also free to drop more details too if they have them.

[Spurminator]

Yeah no reason for ISIS not to release all of their information as proof. Doing so only helps their cause. They haven't had to do it in the past when their claims have been confirmed by intelligence. It's different here because there is legitimate skepticism.

We'll see.

[TSA]

But they have and this is the worst shooting in modern US history with enough of an information vacuum that's incredibly easy to fill with newsletters or message board posts or YouTube videos. Why pass up that opportunity?

The crime itself doesn't seem too ISIS-y and I'm sure all his communications are being reviewed. ISIS is also free to drop more details too if they have them.

I don’t follow ISIS messageboards. What have you read on their message boards?

[TSA]

Yeah no reason for ISIS not to release all of their information as proof. Doing so only helps their cause. They haven't had to do it in the past when their claims have been confirmed by intelligence. It's different here because there is legitimate skepticism.

We'll see.


I don’t keep track of what they do/don’t do after claims just found it interesting for this lady to say pump the breaks on dismissing it.

[Spurminator]

I don’t keep track of what they do/don’t do after claims just found it interesting for this lady to say pump the breaks on dismissing it.

It was an interesting thread, I read it earlier today. I'm still skeptical but ultimately undecided until it's confirmed.

[TSA]

If it was ISIS inspired what are the odds the public would be told? No reason to boost ISIS cred.

[Pavlov]

I don’t follow ISIS messageboards. What have you read on their message boards?I am talking about any message board. ar15.com filled the vacuum. Facebook and YouTube shitposts filled the vacuum. Alex Jones filled the vacuum. We're filling the vacuum with our speculation, myself included. I just take my speculation and that of others with a grain of salt.

[Pavlov]

If it was ISIS inspired what are the odds the public would be told?100%.

[TSA]

lR6DsDGM1no

Always tough to judge sound from a video but this does sound like a second shooter around the 2 minute mark.

[TSA]

I am talking about any message board. ar15.com filled the vacuum. Facebook and YouTube shitposts filled the vacuum. Alex Jones filled the vacuum. We're filling the vacuum with our speculation, myself included. I just take my speculation and that of others with a grain of salt.

Not much official has come out so speculation is all we are left with at this point.

[Pavlov]

lR6DsDGM1no

Always tough to judge sound from a video but this does sound like a second shooter around the 2 minute mark.Dunno. Since it's in the middle of the other barrage sound it could be bullets impacting something like the stands these people were on. I'm sure there are plenty of holes and impact marks to trace angles of fire.

[Pavlov]

Not much official has come out so speculation is all we are left with at this point.And some are more prone to run with that speculation than others.

[TSA]

Dunno. Since it's in the middle of the other barrage sound it could be bullets impacting something like the stands these people were on. I'm sure there are plenty of holes and impact marks to trace angles of fire.

It’s a crazy place to hear gun fire like that with all the echos from the building and the soft thuds from the gun and the crack from the bullets.

[Pavlov]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22221674_10209436676625243_6629037499129563599_n.j pg?oh=7a0b731be4853162350cd2c9e56f29dd&oe=5A796C37


Top Republican Party donor Sheldon Adelson said on Friday he met presidential candidate Donald Trump earlier this week
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-meets-with-billionaire-sheldon-adelson-2015-12


Donald Trump met with Sheldon Adelson last week in Las Vegas, the second face-to-face encounter between the Republican nominee and one of the Republican Party’s biggest donors in recent weeks.

After meeting privately in Manhattan with Trump the week before, Adelson and his wife, Miriam, attended a Trump fundraiser in Las Vegas last Friday, and were seated next to Trump at the head of a large u-shaped table.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-meets-sheldon-adelson-miriam-adelson-227688


A casino titan, Adelson’s Las Vegas Sands Corp. owns The Venetian and The Palazzo hotels plus a number of high-end resorts in Macau. He’s a political heavyweight who spent more than $100 million trying to elect a Republican during the 2012 election, leading some to dub the competition for his endorsement (and the millions of dollars that come with it) the “Adelson primary.” He eventually pledged allegiance to Trump, but it appears that he only committed to give the Republican nominee $5 million -- peanuts by his standards -- instead focusing on congressional races (he committed to give Republican candidates $40 million), though he may have donated more in the closing weeks of the election. In late 2015 he purchased the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His wife, Dr. Miriam Adelson, is also on the committee.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2016/11/17/meet-the-billionaires-planning-trumps-inaugural-festivities/#55b5de957b24


Republican financier Sheldon Adelson will dine with President Trump on Thursday night at the White House
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/09/adelsons-to-meet-with-trump-for-dinner-source-says/


As Las Vegas mourned, Sheldon and Dr. Miriam Adelson met with President Donald Trump at the White House on Monday....
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/adelsons-meet-with-trump-discuss-las-vegas-shooting/

I'm really interested in what you posted, Chris. Let's talk about it. What do you think is going on here?

[Spurminator]

https://i.imgur.com/JKX1bKi.png?1

[Pavlov]

It’s a crazy place to hear gun fire like that with all the echos from the building and the soft thuds from the gun and the crack from the bullets.Yeah. I think echoes could be coming off the other wing of the hotel and others off Delano behind Mandalay Bay but maybe even the Luxor Towers further north too. Hearing the bullet impacts in any of the videos is pretty sickening because you know hundreds of bullets and shrapnel pieces are going into people.

[TSA]

I’ve never seen or heard anything like it. I couldn’t even imagining being there. My wife said her high school friend was there and her husband took shrapnel to the head and one in the leg. Two of my customers knew multiple people at the concert. 2 hospitalized. This one hit very close to home to many people in my circle. I hope we don’t see something in the future with a team of shooters. Fuck.

[Pavlov]

I thought it was just a matter of time before terrorists started hitting softer targets or gatherings but I didn't think of this. Can only hope it doesn't inspire copycats.

[TSA]

It will and it will be much worse. A well placed shooter or two waiting in a car by the gates would have been devastating. Would have added another 100+ deaths easy. Scary thought.

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22180115_536073810063526_7349583278207828745_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=27a56dc36ce7d63ac6ef73dbdc9c355f&oe=5A84663A

[Pavlov]

Yeah, we're almost lucky this guy seemed to have the hi-rise scenario stuck in his mind and maybe had an intention to possibly escape. If someone just wants to maximize kills it could be really bad.

[ElNono]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22228391_421605314902956_1355519836654298366_n.png .jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=3a8938e7f4e2a662b46cd3019db4d06c&oe=5A435C90

chirp chirp

[Pavlov]

This is amazing. Dude had a GoPro going through the entire attack. The shots and impacts sound so different as he walks around the venue. Completely understand any witness confusion.

muiHkkbPpdU

[boutons_deux]

Several youtube vids spouting doubts, confusion, paranoia, contradictions, "things don't add up", conspiracies

When 10Ms of Americans believe the Bible is literally, historically, scientifically accurate, each person can interpret (make up his own shit) about the Bible, deny evolution, etc, they'll believe any fucking shit thrown at them.

[Trill Clinton]

I just saw a video of a concert goer saying the N word as they were running away. White supremacists are something else
http://i64.tinypic.com/10ylv20.jpg

[ducks]

blacks use the n word all the time

[Spurminator]

blacks use the n word all the time

1989 argument

[Blake]

blacks use the n word all the time

How often do you use the n word

[ducks]

I do not use the n would

I call all race idiots stupid other names at times when they make a mistake
like that was a idiot thing to do

[ducks]

How often do you use the n word

you?

[Trill Clinton]

blacks use the n word all the time

This guy said the -ER version which is sad because one of the first victims was black and one of the hero's saving victims was black.

[Blake]

you?

I don't recall ever calling a black person a ******

[Blake]

I do not use the n would

I call all race idiots stupid other names at times when they make a mistake
like that was a idiot thing to do

Give an example

[ducks]

when you cut a board the wrong size when building a wall

deleting a picture on the computer you did not want deleted that was a idiot thing to do

[spurraider21]

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-meets-with-billionaire-sheldon-adelson-2015-12


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-meets-sheldon-adelson-miriam-adelson-227688


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2016/11/17/meet-the-billionaires-planning-trumps-inaugural-festivities/#55b5de957b24


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/09/adelsons-to-meet-with-trump-for-dinner-source-says/


https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/adelsons-meet-with-trump-discuss-las-vegas-shooting/

I'm really interested in what you posted, Chris. Let's talk about it. What do you think is going on here?
Sheldon Adelson still fuming over theRRaiders-Vegas deal going through behind his back, so he stages a false flag attack to punish them.

Trump still bitter that he actually manages to bankrupt a casino, so he went along with the conspiracy to get revenge on those elitist hotels that generate income.

[Pavlov]

Sheldon Adelson still fuming over theRRaiders-Vegas deal going through behind his back, so he stages a false flag attack to punish them.

Trump still bitter that he actually manages to bankrupt a casino, so he went along with the conspiracy to get revenge on those elitist hotels that generate income.Also his USFL failure and failure to get a gaming license in Vegas.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE.

[lebomb]

How often do you use the n word

Yall niggas need to quit trippin. :claw

[spurraider21]

Also his USFL failure and failure to get a gaming license in Vegas.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE.
Sprinkle in some George soros and clinton foundation and it all comes together.

[Pavlov]

What are you thoughts on ar15.com's leading theory [left wing demonstrative terra]?


Seems like classic confirmation bias with all the laughable mistaken ID photos and made up stories that go along with it. Considering he scouted out at least three other sites with wildly different crowds suggests that the method was more important than any political message. This tannerite business and the fact he offed himself pretty quickly after being confronted remind me more of Eric Harris than anyone -- of course the similarities stop there. Modern profiling is only about 50 years old and no clear motive was ever found with a guy like Whitman, so I'm open to the idea we might never really know more than we do now. I know you hope he's Antifa or something like that, and maybe he is. You can have scoreboard if you declare your theory now.916400682499846144Terrorists don't hide their motivations this thoroughly. Quite the opposite.

[TSA]

916400682499846144Terrorists don't hide their motivations this thoroughly. Quite the opposite.

That was a very odd presser. Seemed like they put the under sheriff up there today to walk back some of what the sheriff previously said. They know less now than yesterday? Something seems off. Maybe they do know the motivation and are figuring out how to release it. Just strange all around.

[TSA]

http://news.siteintelgroup.com/blog/index.php/categories/jihad/entry/426-what-isis-has-to-lose-if-it’s-lying-about-las-vegas-1

[Pavlov]

That was a very odd presser. Seemed like they put the under sheriff up there today to walk back some of what the sheriff previously said. They know less now than yesterday? Something seems off. Maybe they do know the motivation and are figuring out how to release it. Just strange all around.Withholding information makes no sense at this point -- and again, why would a terrorist not want people to know his motivation?

[Pavlov]

http://news.siteintelgroup.com/blog/index.php/categories/jihad/entry/426-what-isis-has-to-lose-if-it’s-lying-about-las-vegas-1This theory depends on the integrity of ISIS. Think about that for a second.

ISIS is already losing. It's going to go back to terrorist attacks itself soon for which it can rightfully take credit.

[TSA]

Withholding information makes no sense at this point -- and again, why would a terrorist not want people to know his motivation?

Did you watch today’s presser? If so did it not seem strange compared to yesterdays? Why the new under sheriff? Did you not hear the off camera voice yesterday tell the sheriff “don’t go there” when a reporter asked about a get away vehicle?

It’s very possible Paddock left no clues,no manifest, talked to no one etc but that would be very weird. I’m curious what the story is on his final calls to/from Hong Kong and the UAE.

[Pavlov]

Did you watch today’s presser? If so did it not seem strange compared to yesterdays? Why the new under sheriff? Did you not hear the off camera voice yesterday tell the sheriff “don’t go there” when a reporter asked about a get away vehicle?I'm assuming the sheriff is sleeping for the first time in a few days.


It’s very possible Paddock left no clues,no manifest, talked to no one etc but that would be very weird. I’m curious what the story is on his final calls to/from Hong Kong and the UAE.Why would a terrorist of any kind leave no clue to his motivation whatsoever?

Simply makes no sense.

You're going to go full ar15.com if you keep filling in the blanks yourself. I did a deep dive on Columbine and the UT tower awhile back. I just think what Eric Harris and Charles Whitman might've been like if they somehow suppressed their impulses into their 60s. The reality of Paddock isn't far off from what my speculation for the others would be. It's maddening but I think that's as satisfactory an explanation as I'm ever going to reach.

[Pavlov]

I mean seriously, one text or email that says "allahu akbar" or "fuck Trump" or "I really don't like New Country" is all this guy had to send and everyone in the world knows what this is about.

[TSA]

With nothing coming out from the investigation the only thing to do is speculate and wait. Nothing wrong with it

[RandomGuy]

This theory depends on the integrity of ISIS. Think about that for a second.

ISIS is already losing. It's going to go back to terrorist attacks itself soon for which it can rightfully take credit.

As soon as the thing hit the news some white supremecists put out fake reports of a muslim. My guess is that the ISIS dude responsible for their pronouncements pounced on something they read on the internet, and just simply fucked up.

ISIS is usually a bit more careful, but a simple fuck-up for a group that is eager for propaganda victories makes sense to me.

[TSA]

As soon as the thing hit the news some white supremecists put out fake reports of a muslim. My guess is that the ISIS dude responsible for their pronouncements pounced on something they read on the internet, and just simply fucked up.

ISIS is usually a bit more careful, but a simple fuck-up for a group that is eager for propaganda victories makes sense to me.

You should read this. It would be more than a simple ISIS fuck up.

http://news.siteintelgroup.com/blog/index.php/categories/jihad/entry/426-what-isis-has-to-lose-if-it’s-lying-about-las-vegas-1

[RandomGuy]

I'm assuming the sheriff is sleeping for the first time in a few days.

Why would a terrorist of any kind leave no clue to his motivation whatsoever?

Simply makes no sense.

You're going to go full ar15.com if you keep filling in the blanks yourself. I did a deep dive on Columbine and the UT tower awhile back. I just think what Eric Harris and Charles Whitman might've been like if they somehow suppressed their impulses into their 60s. The reality of Paddock isn't far off from what my speculation for the others would be. It's maddening but I think that's as satisfactory an explanation as I'm ever going to reach.

Psychotic break caused by some reaction to a drug of some sort, either prescription, or otherwise.

Just enough to leave the base personality and intellect intact, but just far enough to make mass murder seem logical and required.

Read a couple of descriptions of people in that state, and it is consistent. The mental clues were barely noticeable to the people nearest them, and came off as just "a bit odd", but nothing that raised huge red flags until the very end, when the people sought help and admitted all their thoughts to the psychiatrists treating them.

The brain is a sensitive thing. Unless you are ducks. Then, not so much.

[RandomGuy]

You should read this. It would be more than a simple ISIS fuck up.

http://news.siteintelgroup.com/blog/index.php/categories/jihad/entry/426-what-isis-has-to-lose-if-it’s-lying-about-las-vegas-1

Heard similar on NPR.

ISIS is likely the target of more than on intelligence agency, including that of the U.S. which likely has some pretty well developed capabilities in terms of infiltration.

Would not be surprised if they were given some faked bullshit to make the thing seem legit to the jackwads in Syria making the claims.

When I was an intelligence analyst, we practiced old-school radio-net infiltration. If the target net didn't do things like simple authentication protocols, you could do some serious damage.

Getting into someone's systems and producing strings of vague emails about an attack would be easy to do.

Since mass shootings happen sadly often in the U.S., it would be an easy way to take advantage of the way humans react to prophecies, in a way that is similar to how people fill in the blanks for fake psychics.

Or just simply hack the internal emails, and when the people responsible for making the claims ask around for confirmation, just fake some emails from the people they are asking that say "yeah, it's one of ours".

[TSA]

Heard similar on NPR.

ISIS is likely the target of more than on intelligence agency, including that of the U.S. which likely has some pretty well developed capabilities in terms of infiltration.

Would not be surprised if they were given some faked bullshit to make the thing seem legit to the jackwads in Syria making the claims.

When I was an intelligence analyst, we practiced old-school radio-net infiltration. If the target net didn't do things like simple authentication protocols, you could do some serious damage.

Getting into someone's systems and producing strings of vague emails about an attack would be easy to do.

Since mass shootings happen sadly often in the U.S., it would be an easy way to take advantage of the way humans react to prophecies, in a way that is similar to how people fill in the blanks for fake psychics.

Or just simply hack the internal emails, and when the people responsible for making the claims ask around for confirmation, just fake some emails from the people they are asking that say "yeah, it's one of ours".

Out of 50 ISIS claims she’s studied since 2014 only found 3 to be false.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/915998590153129984

This could be the 4th false one, or not. I’m keeping an open mind.

[Aztecfan03]

That was a very odd presser. Seemed like they put the under sheriff up there today to walk back some of what the sheriff previously said. They know less now than yesterday? Something seems off. Maybe they do know the motivation and are figuring out how to release it. Just strange all around.

So you don't think he's a terrorist? You must be racist according to liberal talking points.

[Pavlov]

So you don't think he's a terrorist? You must be racist according to liberal talking points.You sound oppressed.

And he pretty much does think he's a terrorist, so you wasted your reach for victimhood.

[sickdsm]

people denouncing derogatory names while using other derogatory names ftw.

[ducks]

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo confirmed earlier this week that they found ammonium nitrate in Paddock's car – the same chemical compound used in the Oklahoma City bombing that killed 168 people in 1995. Officials also reportedly found a significant quantity of explosives inside one of his residences.

[Splits]

A SICK COUNTRY FILLED WITH GUNS (https://theintercept.com/2017/10/07/a-sick-country-filled-with-guns/)

Jeremy Scahill (https://theintercept.com/staff/jeremy-scahill/)

October 7 2017, 4:29 p.m.



WE LIVE IN a sick country. A country where it’s legal for someone to purchase 30 assault weapons and unlimited ammunition, weapons that really only have one purpose: to hunt and kill other human beings. A country where a cabal of high-powered lobbyists, bought-off politicians, and gun manufacturers profits off of massacres, where the meaning of the Second Amendment has been twisted so intensely that it no longer matters why it was written or what it was actually intended for.

The leaders of the National Rifle Association, who would be viewed as terrorist enablers and promoters in a sane society, they don’t like the first part of the Second Amendment — so much so that they don’t include it in their very public memorializing of their Holy Bible of gun addition.

The version of the Second Amendment displayed at the NRA’s headquarters doesn’t (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1994/01/seconds-missing-half/) include the first half of the Second Amendment. The NRA only wants you to focus on the second half, which says, “… the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The first part of the Second Amendment, which the NRA finds too inconvenient to include, states, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State …”

Was the Las Vegas shooter a member of a well-regulated militia? No. Were any of the murderers who shot up schools or religious assemblies or workplaces members of a well-regulated militia? No. And regulated — that’s an interesting word, because no thoughtful person can really argue that guns in the United States are actually regulated in any meaningful way. In this country, you can buy dozens of assault weapons. You can store enough guns and ammunition in your garage to wage a small war. Why? Because the Second Amendment has been laundered through lobbyists, and some Supreme Court justices, to mean something it does not mean.

The coalition that fans the flames of fear and promotes the idea that guns keep us safe — that the solution to gun violence is more guns — makes a shitload of money off of all this death and misery. And they will make more money off of the Las Vegas massacre.
You can murder 20 innocent children between the ages of 6 and 7 at Sandy Hook Elementary School and these villains are unmoved in their belief in the golden calf of assault rifles. “If only the teachers had been armed, those kids might be alive today. Now let’s check out our stock prices.”

Each time we’re faced with a new mass murder with guns, in this case 58 killed and more than 500 wounded, we end up in the same place: “Let’s pray. Let’s tweak this or that law. Let’s talk about using acoustic sensors to detect gunshots. Let’s put armed private security in schools. Let’s use the terrorist watchlist to deny gun purchases. Let’s have more surveillance, more religious and racial profiling.” Which is absurd, given that most mass shooters are white.

None of what most politicians and TV pundits offer up in the aftermath of these killings is going to do anything to solve the real issue: We are a nation filled to the brim with guns, including assault weapons that are actually meant for assaulting people. Not for hunting. Not for sport, unless your sport is murder.

Watch what happens in Congress in the coming days. Empty platitudes. Bullshit proposals: “We must do something about this.” And, of course, a lot of prayer. But none of that is going to change to the fact that we live in a sick society that believes guns bring us security. A nation that has been taught by powerful, twisted people that guns aren’t part of the problem. That everything except guns — and how easy they are to get — is the problem. Mental illness is the problem. Muslims are the problem. Gangbangers in Chicago are the problem. Not having a gun is the problem. And when these mass shootings happen, most of the time, the shooter is a white man. We want to know who he was, why did it, what his motive was, as we should. But compare that to how black victims of police killings are treated in the media: “Well, did they do drugs? What were they wearing? Did they have a criminal record? Did they listen to hip hop? Where are the fathers?”

After he was killed by George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin was characterized as a thug, his hooded sweatshirt somehow evidence that he was scary or menacing. That’s how black victims are portrayed. After police shot Tamir Rice, the head of Miami’s police union called (http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miami-police-union-president-on-tamir-rice-act-like-a-thug-and-youll-be-treated-like-one-8141523) the 12-year-old a thug, saying that if you act like a thug, you’ll get treated like one.

Contrast that with some of the stories we’ve seen about the Las Vegas shooter — not victim — shooter! One headline (http://fair.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/WaPo-Las-Vegas-Headline.png) (since changed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/02/las-vegas-gunman-liked-to-gamble-listened-to-country-music-lived-quiet-retired-life-before-massacre/)) in the Washington Post said he “enjoyed gambling, country music, lived quiet life before massacre.” Black victim is a thug; white shooter is a character from a country western song who just happens to murder 58 people. It’s sick. And this is a pattern.

What if mass shootings carried out by white men were covered the same way that stories involving shooters of other races are covered on a daily basis in this country? White-on-white crime. Let’s investigate country music and its violent lyrics. Let’s find some white people brave enough to speak out on this pandemic of white men carrying out mass shootings at an alarming rate. And let’s make them speak for their entire race.

We all know why the narratives are different. And another thing: We’re hearing once again that this is the most deadly mass shooting in U.S. history. It’s just not true. There are several examples of white gunmen killing huge numbers of black people. The 1917 East St. Louis massacre (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/east-st-louis-race-riot-left-dozens-dead-devastating-community-on-the-rise-180963885/)resulted in an estimated 100 black people being shot and lynched; in 1873, between 60 and 150 black people were massacred (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/1873-colfax-massacre-crippled-reconstruction-180958746/) in Colfax, Louisiana. We don’t even know the exact numbers of Native Americans killed in mass shootings since the founding of the United States: Hundreds were killed in places like Sand Creek, Clear Lake, and Wounded Knee.

Donald Trump, who boasts that he’ll be the best friend the NRA could possibly have in the White House, suddenly found God when he first addressed the Las Vegas shooting. Let’s be real: Trump’s deepest connection to the Bible is watching Charlton Heston as Moses. But religious Trump, who speaks from the Scriptures, was praised for his perfect tone across the media. Specifically, on CNN: “Just what we needed to hear.”

A big part of our problem on guns is how it’s discussed in the media. Presidents who get prayerful are praised instead of held accountable for the role they play in sustaining this nation’s gun addiction, in promoting the gun industry that profits off of murder. When the shooter is an Arab or a Muslim, they are often immediately branded as a suspected terrorist. After Las Vegas, the president and other politicians called this shooter “deranged” or “insane” or another word that’s lost all meaning — “evil.”

When it’s a Muslim shooter, it’s perfectly acceptable to talk about what the U.S. response should be: watchlisting, banning people from entering the country, surveillance of mosques. But when white people do the killing, don’t talk about guns. That’s politicizing the tragedy, disrespecting the victims. Whether it’s someone inspired by ISIS murdering his coworkers or a white man shooting up a school or a white man gunning down Sikhs because he thought they were Muslims, they all do it with guns.

We don’t need prayers. We don’t need fake unity over the tragedy. We need to look at the common factor in all of these heinous acts of mass murder: guns. Anything else is just putting a Band-Aid on a gaping, infected, and lethal wound on our society.


https://theintercept.com/2017/10/07/a-sick-country-filled-with-guns/