Astonishing FAILURE: Patty Mills first 8 games of the 17-18 season

[objective]

Back on July 1, I posted this:


Highest paid back up point guard in the league can't guard anyone, can't run an offense, can't make plays as the ballhandler, and can't shoot 35% from three past the first round since his shoulder surgery.

If you think his deal looks bad now ...

just wait until Manu is gone and Mills doesn't have anyone next to him to be the primary creator and ball handler and setting him up.

His regular season % will look like his playoff %. And his playoff % will look like anguish.

So 10% into the season, what has happened so far in this small but disturbing sample size?

Well, statistically, this is by far the worst season of his career (qualifying minimum of 40 minutes total in a season, cutting out his briefly played rookie year).

career low fg% of 31%

career low 3pt % of 26.7%

career low 2pt % of 35.5%

career low rebounds per 36 of 1.8, same per 100 possessions at 2.4. I would argue this reflects his fatness and loss of speed hurting his hustle to grab and go. His career high unsurprisingly was 13-14.

tied for career low in steals per 36 in 1.2, and per 100 possessions career low by itself at 1.6 Same with the rebounds I suspect, and again his career high was in 13-14.

career low in points per 36, BY FAR, with 9.5.. Next lowest was 14.9 in 15-16. Also lowest by far by 100 possessions

career lows in PER (4.4), true shooting (39.3%), win shares (-0.2), and BPM box plus minus (-6.4)

But don't worry, he says "There’s no pressure to perform".

League wide he's doing awful things. Going by ESPN's Hollinger advanced stats (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics):

12th worst of 315 qualified players in PER

3rd worst of 315 qualified players in VALUE ADDED

Tied for 3rd worst of 315 qualified players in ESTIMATED WINS ADDED

Does that sound like a player who should be made what might be the highest paid back-up point guard in the league for 4 years?

And I don't have much hope that he'll get much better. Sure, he might raise his shooting percentages. Hell, against the Warriors he shot 2-6 from 3 and raised his yearly average.

But the reason I fear he won't improve in a meaningful way, besides his weight, attitude, bad defensive tools and age, is the reason I outlined in my post from July.

And that is Manu Ginobili.

Manu is also having the worst year of his career, and in some categories only worse in his rookie year.

Worst PER, Worst True Shooting, Worst win share, Worst BPM, Worst VORP.

Worst 3pt %, Worst 2pt %, Worst rebounds/36, 2nd Worst after rookie in Assists per 36, 2nd Worst after rookie points per 36, 2nd Worst steals per 36

Manu, understandably, is just about done. He'll have some ups, lots of downs, but he's not really a good impact player anymore, not like he was even 3 years ago. He's not a 6th man candidate. He can't do Patty's job anymore, not well enough to help anyway. He's coming off a playoff run that he began with four straight scoreless games and shot a Mills-esque 22% from 3 for the postseason.

Manu won't be doing much better the rest of the way, he's on his way out. And Simmons could have been that guy. He's been that guy for Orlando, they run through him on second units. He showed with the Spurs that he could beat his own man off the dribble, get to the rim, finish, pass, use a pick, pass, penetrate, pull up, shoot ... Not as well as 6th man Manu, but better than any other Spur currently playing.

Without that player next to him, Mills is ... well ... a highly paid 6 foot fat aging shooting guard who can't run an offense, can't penetrate, can't defend, can't make plays, and now can't shoot.

Good news though. His contract reportedly had 2 million in unlikely incentives. So his 4/50 deal is probably only 4/48.

[Keepin' it real]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qu46svpJ5g

[TimDunkem]

Knew this was going to be a disaster since the news of him re-signing broke. I didn't imagine he'd play this bad until the playoffs though. :lol

He's worthless right now and brings nothing but a body to fill in while Parker is out. PATFO blew it for sure.

[FkLA]

http://i.imgur.com/oZoXk9k.jpg

[cd021]

Knew this was going to be a disaster since the news of him re-signing broke. I didn't imagine he'd play this bad until the playoffs though. :lol

He's worthless right now and brings nothing but a body to fill in while Parker is out. PATFO blew it for sure.
Still remember being at work when I got the push notification at 12:01. George Hill has played like trash too so we may have been in the same situation either way.

[cd021]

http://i.imgur.com/oZoXk9k.jpg

Make Mills Good Again

M.M.G.A

[SAGirl]

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[r0drig0lac]

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even SAGirl shitting on Patty

[SAGirl]

even SAGirl shitting on Patty
Yea, he's been awful. I shared the .gifs bc even describing his struggles offensively as objective did above doesn't really capture the liability he's been.
As you see there, if you post him up, there's nothing he can do, and teammates have to help leaving the defense vulnerable to an easy bucket from a teammate. He also can't do anything in transition defense. If on top of that he's going to shoot poorly and can't set up the offense... what does he do? for 50 mills? :vomit: There were surely better guards Spurs could have gotten this past summer.

[bic50]

Frustrating

[hater]

Fat piece of shit looks like a hamburger walking around out there

Worst contract in spurs history after dick jeff

[hater]

And whats up with the hair?? You look like milly vanillis fat cousin

[Austin_Toros]

It might be time for Pop to experiment with more Forbes and less Mills. At this point Forbes can't be any worse than Mills.

[Spurs9]

Patty was just traveling all summer, probably celebrating that contract he got.

[Brazil]

who would have thought we would have been that much eager to see Tony back before the season start ? :lol

[SAGirl]

Simmons: ranked as a SF.


RK
PLAYER
GP
MPG
TS% (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/sort/trueShootingPct)
AST (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/sort/assistRatio)
TO (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/sort/turnoverRatio/order/false)
USG (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/sort/usageRate)
ORR (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/sort/offReboundRate)
DRR (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/sort/defReboundRate)
REBR (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/sort/reboundRate)
PER (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/order/false)
VA (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/sort/VORP)
EWA (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf/sort/VORPe)


11
Jonathon Simmons (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2579466), ORL
8
25.6
.635
12.1
12.9
22.7
2.2
11.9
7.3
17.75
22.2
0.7



contract:


Jonathon Simmons (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/17983/)
28
SF
Cap Space
$6,300,000
-
-
($13,300,000)
$6,300,000
6.25



Tyreke Evans: ranked as SG


2
Tyreke Evans (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3983), MEM
8
25.4
.579
14.4
7.9
25.6
5.6
20.1
12.9
22.44
36.2
1.2



contract:


Tyreke Evans (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6326/)
28
SG
Bi-Annual
$3,290,000
-
-
($3,290,000)
$3,290,000
2.9




Patty:


66
Patty Mills (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=4004), SA
8
23.1
.393
23.4
13.2
18.4
0.5
5.0
2.6
4.39
-18.3
-0.6



contract


Patrick Mills (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6322/)
29
PG
Bird
$10,714,286
-
-
($49,714,285)
$10,714,286
9.22

[RD2191]

:wakeup I told y'all. But did y'all listen?

[Rob123]

That dude is serious garbage.

[pgardn]

This is not the type of offense he was made for.

A huge % of our offense comes off of set plays now.
Patty is straight line fast and needs an open floor to move in.
I think this is pretty clear. The first part of the GS game was ok for him. Then when it becomes clear the open floor play is their game and we are not getting the steals that allow for the open floor... shut the door. And add to that Patty has to play open floor D on the likes of Curry... yikes.

Manu is our best PG, again. Thank god we have him.

I must add that Pop's tirades aimed at Murray are not helpful. It's a Fckn national broadcast, cameras all over and he just temper tantrums on the kid. Finally he gets it and goes at the refs. Too late. The kid knows what he has done. Two turnovers of exactly the same type and Pop has to let the viewing audience by continually sticking two fingers in the kids face. Not helpful. Coach tantrum. No teaching.

[vy65]

Where’s that faggot dabom?

[vy65]

People say his contract is trade friendly — who’s gonna trade for this dumpster fire over 4 years?

[Clipper Nation]

People say his contract is trade friendly — who’s gonna trade for this dumpster fire over 4 years?
Magic might be dumb enough to do it, tbh :lol

[vy65]

Magic might be dumb enough to do it, tbh :lol

True. It would be like trading for the contractual equivalent of AIDS.

[r0drig0lac]

Magic might be dumb enough to do it, tbh :lol

would be a thanks to PATFO for improving a two-way player like Simmons and delivering them on a plate

[Poolboy5623]

The Spurs shit the bed with the Gasol and Mills contracts....now they get to lay in it!

[sananspursfan21]

It’s that car scrubber on top of his head! Buzz it off and we get the Mills of Old!

Seriously though, I know everyone hated the move, but I personally thought the contract might encourage him to take this team and rock the PG position....boy have I been wrong thus far

[Chucho]

True. It would be like trading for the contractual equivalent of AIDS.


AIDs isn't seen as much of an issue here in Cali. So maybe SAC or one of the LA teams will make a deal with us.

[duncan2k5]

Possibly the worst two off season signings in our history... Lord knows the motivation behind them... And the sad thing is, pop refuses to sit them for their bad play because he is hoping they somehow (one year older and fatter) become good players, thus justifying the signings... But he is so shortsighted... We Won't beat golden state with Gasol and mills playing big minutes, and all the while silent but deadly Kawhi is there looming at the trash he has to carry on his shoulders with his contract coming to an end... The front office signings and pop coaching won't do any favors when it comes to signing back kawhi... I genuinely think kawhi wants the old guys to go, and the young guys to play... How many times will we watch mills get posted up, and point guards block or rebound over Gasol?

All the while we have the opportunity to let Murray sink or swim by starting him, and pop benches him for Patty mills... Lmfao...Murray gets a turnover, and he blows up, but Manu gets to throw the ball directly to the other team, take bad shots, and lose the ball as he drives to the bucket and falls... But he makes one hustle play or one layup, and he is a warrior... Well the NBA and other teams don't give a shit if you're 40...theyre gonna beat u just as bad in the postseason

[sasaint]

Fat piece of shit looks like a hamburger walking around out there

Worst contract in spurs history after dick jeff

More like a hamburglar...

[Darius Bieber]

:wakeup I told y'all. But did y'all listen?

[sasaint]

Possibly the worst two off season signings in our history... Lord knows the motivation behind them... And the sad thing is, pop refuses to sit them for their bad play because he is hoping they somehow (one year older and fatter) become good players, thus justifying the signings... But he is so shortsighted... We Won't beat golden state with Gasol and mills playing big minutes, and all the while silent but deadly Kawhi is there looming at the trash he has to carry on his shoulders with his contract coming to an end... The front office signings and pop coaching won't do any favors when it comes to signing back kawhi... I genuinely think kawhi wants the old guys to go, and the young guys to play... How many times will we watch mills get posted up, and point guards block or rebound over Gasol?

All the while we have the opportunity to let Murray sink or swim by starting him, and pop benches him for Patty mills... Lmfao...Murray gets a turnover, and he blows up, but Manu gets to throw the ball directly to the other team, take bad shots, and lose the ball as he drives to the bucket and falls... But he makes one hustle play or one layup, and he is a warrior... Well the NBA and other teams don't give a shit if you're 40...theyre gonna beat u just as bad in the postseason

Golden State?!?! I am hoping that we can compete with the Blazers, Jazz and Lakers by season's end.

Our only hope is that the Holts will come out of hibernation and can PATFO. They are clearly beyond their shelf-life. Frankly, I believe it started with the LMA signing. But the deals they gave 50Mills and Gasoft are irrefutable proof of their incompetence... nay, malfeasance.

[superbigtime]

Worst contract ever. Finally some bitching, whining and complaining when it is truly justified.

[BatManu20]

Yea he's been awful so far this year. But 8 games is too small a sample size to make a real judgment on him. We're also still missing our best player.. (not an excuse for Patty but I guarantee he starts to play better if/when Kawhi returns, as will everyone else). I'll wait a bit before completely condemning him.

[8FOR!3]

The I told you so's are annoying. We aren't the ones who gave Patty the contract, that's on the front office. Some of us just choose to support the team regardless and not bitch about it. It's sports, and it's intended to be entertainment. If you're a fan and you're getting legitimately upset because the team you support handed out a bad contract than maybe you should reevaluate why it has such a major impact on your life. I get it, Patty Mills sucks and he has a terrible contract, now can we stop bitching about it and just see what happens?

[spursistan]

http://i.imgur.com/oZoXk9k.jpg


:wakeup I told y'all. But did y'all listen?

[UZER]

And whats up with the hair?? You look like milly vanillis fat cousin

Patty Millini

[spurs10]

http://i.imgur.com/oZoXk9k.jpg Loved whoever said ' I wonder if the photographer was in fear of having one of those buttons put their eye out!'

[Raven]

he doesn't have any rhythm on his jumpers..

[TheChillFactor]

i didn't mind the contract in the context of what everyone else was getting. I thought this was just the going rate.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/011/767/35nksf.jpg

[vy65]

Where’s that faggot dabom?

[TD 21]

Unfortunately, Ginobili looks done for good this time. Been saying, think this is the succession plan in the back court: Ginobili (presumably) retires after this season, Murray takes his role until Parker retires, then graduates to starter, with White taking his role.

Pop/Buford started drinking their own Kool-Aid post '14, thinking they had all that success from '12-'14, culminating with the championship, because of character, culture, system etc. As if they had stumbled upon some magic elixir, when in reality, talent wins. Even though that team did it unconventionally, they had the best depth of talent and that along with their unparalleled combination of IQ, unselfishness and luck (the Ibaka injury) pushed them over the top. Sure, those other things helped, but they didn't win because of them. No longer having the combination of things should have placed an even higher priority on talent and instead they succumbed to believing their own hype.

[coachmac87]

Unfortunately, Ginobili looks done for good this time. Been saying, think this is the succession plan in the back court: Ginobili (presumably) retires after this season, Murray takes his role until Parker retires, then graduates to starter, with White taking his role.

Pop/Buford started drinking their own Kool-Aid post '14, thinking they had all that success from '12-'14, culminating with the championship, because of character, culture, system etc. As if they had stumbled upon some magic elixir, when in reality, talent wins. Even though that team did it unconventionally, they had the best depth of talent and that along with their unparalleled combination of IQ, unselfishness and luck (the Ibaka injury) pushed them over the top. Sure, those other things helped, but they didn't win because of them. No longer having the combination of things should have placed an even higher priority on talent and instead they succumbed to believing their own hype.


And what exactly would you have done differently?

What expectations did you set out after they won in 14'?

[Nathan89]

Going all-in on a 6ft SG :lmao

[TD 21]

And what exactly would you have done differently?

What expectations did you set out after they won in 14'?

All the shit I've been griping about the past few years.

Was obviously hoping the old guys could maintain their then current level for as long as possible, but beyond that didn't really have any. Leonard's unforeseen emergence and the Aldridge signing changed that. Sure, the emergence of an all-time team doesn't help matters, but they have done a lousy job the past few years. Totally either ignorant to where the game was going or arrogant enough to think that they were smarter than everyone else and could do it differently.

[coachmac87]

All the shit I've been griping about the past few years.

Was obviously hoping the old guys could maintain their then current level for as long as possible, but beyond that didn't really have any. Leonard's unforeseen emergence and the Aldridge signing changed that. Sure, the emergence of an all-time team doesn't help matters, but they have done a lousy job the past few years. Totally either ignorant to where the game was going or arrogant enough to think that they were smarter than everyone else and could do it differently.

I think every Spur fan has frustrations..that's totally normal..

But tbh it's all about realistic expectations and holding those expectations true..

As you said Spurs were fortunate to win in 14'...but so has every championship team. I've been frustrated when PATFO have elected to "run it back" after winning titles..they've failed to repeat and it's the only knack they have as an organization. But I understand why they have done so and knew they have the best interest of winning. This organization doesn't try to sell tickets they just try to win and I respect the hell out of it.

They got LMA because he was needed for obvious reasons and he was the right move. I respect that they've attempted to lure CP3 and Durant..even tho they weren't the favorites they wanted the "talent" you're seeking. They'll do the same thing for LeBron this offseason. Contracts to Pau/Mills suck but I think it's naive to think they're automatically gonna play it out in SA.

I dunno what your expectations were for this year but it's pretty much played out almost exactly what I thought regarding Spurs.. If there's no Kawhi we ain't gotta chance and we truly don't know how we match up with GSW...

I mean who would've thought Spurs were gonna make it to the WCF the following year after Timmy retired??? If I told you that 5 years ago you would've called me crazy...

[rastaspur]

He needs to get in shape. If he gains 15 more pounds then he is going to look like the old version of anthony anderson.

The blackish version of anthony anderson is slimmer than patty.

[kuato]

Mucha falopa

[spurraider21]

Fatty 50 Mills

[spursistan]

Where’s that faggot dabom?

[Play Boban]

:cry

[vy65]

Spurs fans keep saying Pau and Patty won’t finish out their contracts in SA. I’d love to hear the details of the trades that are sending those two assholes out of town.

[MaNu4Tres]

Beyond frustrating.

It was an easy decision to let him walk.. smh.

[ElNono]

great post by OP, tbh... thanks

[MaNu4Tres]

Our best hope is Patty keeps sucking so Pop has no choice but to sit him. If Patty improves his play to a small degree, Pop will still play him -- even though he's fools gold.

I hope he keeps sucking ass tbh..

[dabom]

Our best hope is Patty keeps sucking so Pop has no choice but to sit him. If Patty improves his play to a small degree, Pop will still play him -- even though he's fools gold.

I hope he keeps sucking ass tbh..

What do you think the pg rotation will look towards the end of the season?

[MaNu4Tres]

What do you think the pg rotation will look towards the end of the season?

Who knows?

Probably TP and Mills because Pop is Pop and both will probably show flashes once every 5 games and that's okay because they are elite in corporate knowledge and culture -- those two attributes rank #1 and #2 in Pops head.

[dabom]

Who knows?

Probably TP and Mills because Pop is Pop and both will probably show flashes once every 5 games and that's okay because they are elite in corporate knowledge and culture -- those two attributes rank #1 and #2 in Pops head.

It doesn't end with porker starting.

[MaNu4Tres]

If it were me, I'd ship Patty asap and free up minutes for Paul, Murray, Forbes. Then see which players make progress from now til May and stick with that player or player(s).

[hater]

Our best hope is Patty keeps sucking so Pop has no choice but to sit him. If Patty improves his play to a small degree, Pop will still play him -- even though he's fools gold.

I hope he keeps sucking ass tbh..

Mills in 2014 and even 2013 was fucking great

Too bad this mills is nothungry because he ate hamburgers all summer

[MaNu4Tres]

It doesn't end with porker starting.

There's too many unknown variables and too much inconsistency right now at the position to make a solid guess. Knowing Pop though, TP and Patty are the favorites regardless of their play.

[daslicer]

The I told you so's are annoying. We aren't the ones who gave Patty the contract, that's on the front office. Some of us just choose to support the team regardless and not bitch about it. It's sports, and it's intended to be entertainment. If you're a fan and you're getting legitimately upset because the team you support handed out a bad contract than maybe you should reevaluate why it has such a major impact on your life. I get it, Patty Mills sucks and he has a terrible contract, now can we stop bitching about it and just see what happens?

It's ST these fans need a whipping boy for the Spurs failures. Granted Mills has been terrible and the contract was bad I do find it funny how they are now bashing him when a lot of these clowns were screaming a year ago that he needs to start over Parker. It's comical overall to see ST not only going crazy over Mills, but Gasol,LMA, and Gay. I have never seen that much overload of hatred and venom on ST for multiple players. Usually it's reserved for 1 player every year.

[tholdren]

Back on July 1, I posted this:



So 10% into the season, what has happened so far in this small but disturbing sample size?

Well, statistically, this is by far the worst season of his career (qualifying minimum of 40 minutes total in a season, cutting out his briefly played rookie year).

career low fg% of 31%

career low 3pt % of 26.7%

career low 2pt % of 35.5%

career low rebounds per 36 of 1.8, same per 100 possessions at 2.4. I would argue this reflects his fatness and loss of speed hurting his hustle to grab and go. His career high unsurprisingly was 13-14.

tied for career low in steals per 36 in 1.2, and per 100 possessions career low by itself at 1.6 Same with the rebounds I suspect, and again his career high was in 13-14.

career low in points per 36, BY FAR, with 9.5.. Next lowest was 14.9 in 15-16. Also lowest by far by 100 possessions

career lows in PER (4.4), true shooting (39.3%), win shares (-0.2), and BPM box plus minus (-6.4)

But don't worry, he says "There’s no pressure to perform".

League wide he's doing awful things. Going by ESPN's Hollinger advanced stats (http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics):

12th worst of 315 qualified players in PER

3rd worst of 315 qualified players in VALUE ADDED

Tied for 3rd worst of 315 qualified players in ESTIMATED WINS ADDED

Does that sound like a player who should be made what might be the highest paid back-up point guard in the league for 4 years?

And I don't have much hope that he'll get much better. Sure, he might raise his shooting percentages. Hell, against the Warriors he shot 2-6 from 3 and raised his yearly average.

But the reason I fear he won't improve in a meaningful way, besides his weight, attitude, bad defensive tools and age, is the reason I outlined in my post from July.

And that is Manu Ginobili.

Manu is also having the worst year of his career, and in some categories only worse in his rookie year.

Worst PER, Worst True Shooting, Worst win share, Worst BPM, Worst VORP.

Worst 3pt %, Worst 2pt %, Worst rebounds/36, 2nd Worst after rookie in Assists per 36, 2nd Worst after rookie points per 36, 2nd Worst steals per 36

Manu, understandably, is just about done. He'll have some ups, lots of downs, but he's not really a good impact player anymore, not like he was even 3 years ago. He's not a 6th man candidate. He can't do Patty's job anymore, not well enough to help anyway. He's coming off a playoff run that he began with four straight scoreless games and shot a Mills-esque 22% from 3 for the postseason.

Manu won't be doing much better the rest of the way, he's on his way out. And Simmons could have been that guy. He's been that guy for Orlando, they run through him on second units. He showed with the Spurs that he could beat his own man off the dribble, get to the rim, finish, pass, use a pick, pass, penetrate, pull up, shoot ... Not as well as 6th man Manu, but better than any other Spur currently playing.

Without that player next to him, Mills is ... well ... a highly paid 6 foot fat aging shooting guard who can't run an offense, can't penetrate, can't defend, can't make plays, and now can't shoot.

Good news though. His contract reportedly had 2 million in unlikely incentives. So his 4/50 deal is probably only 4/48.

No shit. You lose your 2 best offensive players, and the only 2 that take it to the rim. What do you expect from a 40 year old and a role player, who went from 3rd or 4th and 6th option to the perimeter option? Dont be so dumb. Additionally its 8 games. Re evaluate in 2 months

[SAGirl]

He needs to get in shape. If he gains 15 more pounds then he is going to look like the old version of anthony anderson.

The blackish version of anthony anderson is slimmer than patty.
:lmao

I had to look up who you meant...
http://wikipicky.com/uploads/celebrity/Anthony%20Anderson.jpg

[MaNu4Tres]

Mills in 2014 and even 2013 was fucking great

Too bad this mills is nothungry because he ate hamburgers all summer

Patty was behind Cojo AND NEAL in 2013.

Patty in 2014 was fine at the small niche he played -- padding leads with spurts of great shooting. In 2014, outside of OKC, the games were so lopsided that Spurs didn't really feel his ineffectiveness on defense because they had huge leads and he just added to those with streak shooting.

[dabom]

There's too many unknown variables and too much inconsistency right now at the position to make a solid guess. Knowing Pop though, TP and Patty are the favorites regardless of their play.

Well no shit. Patty rang us in 2014. Tony's body can't handle a starting position. That's fact. Unless Pop tries again and he gets hurt again, and we never fucking improve as a team cohesion wise. You don't wing it in the NBA. A lot of ya need to understand that. It's a job and they need to know who they are playing with and what times they're gonna be playing. Shifting all the players all the time isn't good. Ever. People need to stop thinking like that. Makes me think ya don't know enough basketball to understand that simple idea.

[hater]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7055/425/1600/krs.jpg

[MaNu4Tres]

Well no shit. Patty rang us in 2014. Tony's body can't handle a starting position. That's fact. Unless Pop tries again and he gets hurt again, and we never fucking improve as a team cohesion wise. You don't wing it in the NBA. A lot of ya need to understand that. It's a job and they need to know who they are playing with and what times they're gonna be playing. Shifting all the players all the time isn't good. Ever. People need to stop thinking like that. Makes me think ya don't know enough basketball to understand that simple idea.

2014 will be 4 years ago now. DIaw and Splitter were more important that run anyway. By your logic, what the hell lets bring them back because knowledge and culture and 2014!

Trading a small niche role player won't change a damn thing. Spurs wouldn't skip a beat. Hell Duncan retired and Spurs didn't blink... the foundation is too strong.

[tholdren]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7055/425/1600/krs.jpg

That looks.like pacman

[dabom]

2014 will be 4 years ago now. DIaw and Splitter were more important that run anyway, by your logic -- what the hell lets bring them back because knowledge and culture and 2014.

Trading a small niche role player won't change a damn thing. Spurs wouldn't skip a beat. Hell Duncan retired and Spurs didn't blink... the foundation is too strong.

Those guys are injury prone pussies. What does that have to do with a player in his prime? Are you dumb brah? :lol

That small niche role player is the best player for Kawhi. Whether you like to admit or not. Facts are facts. And he gets paid 1/11 of the cap.

You are not getting anything for that fucking price you dumb fuck. :lol

[vy65]

Those guys are injury prone pussies. What does that have to do with a player in his prime? Are you dumb brah? :lol

That small niche role player is the best player for Kawhi. Whether you like to admit or not. Facts are facts. And he gets paid 1/11 of the cap.

You are not getting anything for that fucking price you dumb fuck. :lol

The only thing “prime” about 50 is his PER of 3.

[dabom]

The only thing “prime” about 50 is his PER of 3.

Ok, beta cuck, you got my attention. What do you want pussy bitch? :lmao

[vy65]

Ok, beta cuck, you got my attention. What do you want pussy bitch? :lmao

Dgaf about your “attention,” but while you’re here, maybe you could tell us why you suck the cock of literally one of the worst basketball players in the L.

[dabom]

Dgaf about your “attention,” but while you’re here, maybe you could tell us why you suck the cock of literally one of the worst basketball players in the L.

So nothing? :lol

Keep stalking me. I got a lot of fans. :lmao

[coachmac87]

2014 will be 4 years ago now. DIaw and Splitter were more important that run anyway. By your logic, what the hell lets bring them back because knowledge and culture and 2014!

Trading a small niche role player won't change a damn thing. Spurs wouldn't skip a beat. Hell Duncan retired and Spurs didn't blink... the foundation is too strong.


The foundation that you and others have been bitching about lately

[vy65]

So nothing? :lol

Keep stalking me. I got a lot of fans. :lmao

No there was something, you just missed it per/par

[tholdren]

That looks.like pacman

Or the black lady from ghost busters

[Budkin]

I'd love a lowlights video ala Bootum on YouTube.

[MaNu4Tres]

The foundation that you and others have been bitching about lately

Patty is the foundation?

[spurraider21]

If it were me, I'd ship Patty asap and free up minutes for Paul, Murray, Forbes. Then see which players make progress from now til May and stick with that player or player(s).
:lol trade patty is going to be the new trade porker

Either way it's an overpaid out of shape point guard who nobody wants to trade for and PATFO would never trade them anyway

[coachmac87]

Patty is the foundation?

No. You tell me what the "strong foundation" is...

You've been bitching about PATFO for awhile now..let's not pretend Patty is your only issue

[MaNu4Tres]

No. You tell me what the "strong foundation" is...

You've been bitching about PATFO for awhile now..let's not pretend Patty is your only issue

Put me on your next podcast and I'll be glad to discuss.

[midnightpulp]

Been tuned out of the season thus far, since it's impossible to gauge this team until the big dog gets back, but just looked up what the microwave is doing. 4.39 PER :lol

Love ya, Patty, but what the fuck?

[coachmac87]

Put me on your next podcast and I'll be glad to discuss.

Lmao I don't do that anymore..

[vy65]

...

[99 Problems]

MVPatty is back...... Hahahaha, deep down you all knew it was coming :lobt2:

[RD2191]

MVPatty is back...... Hahahaha, deep down you all knew it was coming :lobt2:

1 good quarter is not being back

[SAGirl]

1 good quarter is not being back
absolutely...
But I will take this win. :toast

[Mikeanaro]

Now Patty is getting better and Fathead is getting back to his 90 year old POS form.

[TimDunkem]

1 good quarter is not being back

Same story every time...Guy shits the bed 8 games in a row and it's a "small sample size". Then he has one good quarter and suddenly "he's back!" :lol

[SAGirl]

Same story every time...Guy shits the bed 8 games in a row and it's a "small sample size". Then he has one good quarter and suddenly "he's back!" :lol
:lmao
I can't blame guys for taking the small encouraging signs. Spurs needed to start winning games and they were not going to do it with 50Mills playing trashball.

[RD2191]

Same story every time...Guy shits the bed 8 games in a row and it's a "small sample size". Then he has one good quarter and suddenly "he's back!" :lol

Most Spurs fans are like that TBH. :lol

[DAF86]

Patty needs to keep this up and Philly needs to stay on the playoffs chase so that Brett can do us as solid and take on Patty's contract.

[$pursDynasty]

Same story every time...Guy shits the bed 8 games in a row and it's a "small sample size". Then he has one good quarter and suddenly "he's back!" :lol
Tim with a Truth Nuke :smchode:

[Hoops Czar]

Now Patty is getting better and Fathead is getting back to his 90 year old POS form.
Agreed, except for the part about Paddy getting better.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Porker fluffers BTFO. The best point guard on the Spurs' roster finally stopped coasting.

[Ice009]

Unfortunately, Ginobili looks done for good this time. Been saying, think this is the succession plan in the back court: Ginobili (presumably) retires after this season, Murray takes his role until Parker retires, then graduates to starter, with White taking his role.

Pop/Buford started drinking their own Kool-Aid post '14, thinking they had all that success from '12-'14, culminating with the championship, because of character, culture, system etc. As if they had stumbled upon some magic elixir, when in reality, talent wins. Even though that team did it unconventionally, they had the best depth of talent and that along with their unparalleled combination of IQ, unselfishness and luck (the Ibaka injury) pushed them over the top. Sure, those other things helped, but they didn't win because of them. No longer having the combination of things should have placed an even higher priority on talent and instead they succumbed to believing their own hype.

Didn't Bill Land tonight say that Pop said you don't necessarily need talent to win, it's more about execution? Does anyone remember the exact quote?

The NBA is one of the most talent based league in the world IMO. In other words, you need talent to win Championships and it's not too often where the team that wins doesn't have the best player or players.

Just because the Spurs did it in 2014, it doesn't mean that it could be repeated multiple times, it was an exception to the rule, but these guys obviously thought otherwise. If you don't have a top 1-3, or 1-5 player in the league, plus other players in the top 10 or 15, you're not likely to win Championships in the NBA. You need talent to win it all in the NBA. Now that doesn't mean you can win it on talent alone as we've seen other talented teams fail before, but you do need that talent to give yourself a legit chance to win.

[Blackjack]

His contract detracts from his value. His having to be a starter-type detracts, as well.

Patty is one of those glue guys you want on a contender. His lack of conscience, fearlessness and shooting capability, is great for an X-Factor on a team that has all the parts - and if the Spurs get healthy and Rudy keeps getting better, maybe the tune changes around these parts.

The Spurs' definitely over-valued him, though. They're too dependent on him. At least, Pop is. Patty can put you over the top under the right circumstance. But played as a starter, he'll have you digging from a hole with his deficiencies.

[SAGirl]

Didn't Bill Land tonight say that Pop said you don't necessarily need talent to win, it's more about execution? Does anyone remember the exact quote?

The NBA is one of the most talent based league in the world IMO. In other words, you need talent to win Championships and it's not too often where the team that wins doesn't have the best player or players.

Just because the Spurs did it in 2014, it doesn't mean that it could be repeated multiple times, it was an exception to the rule, but these guys obviously thought otherwise. If you don't have a top 1-3, or 1-5 player in the league, plus other players in the top 10 or 15, you're not likely to win Championships in the NBA. You need talent to win it all in the NBA. Now that doesn't mean you can win it on talent alone as we've seen other talented teams fail before, but you do need that talent to give yourself a legit chance to win.
To execute well they need talent simply. You can run the same play for different guys and they don't execute the same as your best guys bc they are less talented.

But I guess Pop focuses on controlling what he can control. He can't fully control the talent available to him. The Spurs dratt at the end of the 1st round and have to do homework on free agents on a budget. Guys they want do not necessarily want to join the team or they can't find trades that are suitable. But what he as a coach can focus his team on is the execution.

[Raven]

slightly better.

[Jules_Winnfield]

"The Spurs have holes at both PG and SG.Dragic and TJ would fill their holes nicely."

"And what the hell would we be getting in return? the only young player they have (assuming you want to blow it up) is Dejounte Murray and he plus their 1st rounder would not be worth both Dragic and TJ."

"don't they have another rookie and future 1St rounders."

"Brandon Paul is ok but even adding him isnt going to do much. Would have to get 2 first rounders at least I would imagine. Plus then salaries wouldnt work at all."

"Considering his contract and how bad he's been this season. we may have to attach something to TJ to move him. And Dejounte Murray and 1st rounder might be the best package we get for Dragic. There's not that many playoff teams that need a pg, maybe Orlando, Spurs and Denver. We wont get back anything close to what we owe for Dragic. Blowing it up this season is tricky because of the top 7 protected pick. We could end up tanking and gift Phx the 8th pick in a good draft. On the otherside we could try for the playoffs and just miss it and give Phoenix the 14th pick. Basically we have to be good or this is a wasted season. Or be extremely bad, but I dont see how we get there with so many worse teams tanking."

"If the Heat are 6 or 7 games under .500 come January 1st, I'm sure tank talk will be in full bloom. "


From the Heat forum.

Mills + Murray + Anderson + 1st round pick for Dragic + White


Dragic-Green-Leonard-Aldridge-Gasol

Parker-Ginobili-White-Gay-Lauvergne

[tholdren]

"The Spurs have holes at both PG and SG.Dragic and TJ would fill their holes nicely."

"And what the hell would we be getting in return? the only young player they have (assuming you want to blow it up) is Dejounte Murray and he plus their 1st rounder would not be worth both Dragic and TJ."

"don't they have another rookie and future 1St rounders."

"Brandon Paul is ok but even adding him isnt going to do much. Would have to get 2 first rounders at least I would imagine. Plus then salaries wouldnt work at all."

"Considering his contract and how bad he's been this season. we may have to attach something to TJ to move him. And Dejounte Murray and 1st rounder might be the best package we get for Dragic. There's not that many playoff teams that need a pg, maybe Orlando, Spurs and Denver. We wont get back anything close to what we owe for Dragic. Blowing it up this season is tricky because of the top 7 protected pick. We could end up tanking and gift Phx the 8th pick in a good draft. On the otherside we could try for the playoffs and just miss it and give Phoenix the 14th pick. Basically we have to be good or this is a wasted season. Or be extremely bad, but I dont see how we get there with so many worse teams tanking."

"If the Heat are 6 or 7 games under .500 come January 1st, I'm sure tank talk will be in full bloom. "


From the Heat forum.

Mills + Murray + Anderson + 1st round pick for Dragic + White


Dragic-Green-Leonard-Aldridge-Gasol

Parker-Ginobili-White-Gay-Lauvergne

Lol no

[Jules_Winnfield]

Win now mode 2018:

Leonard 27

Green 31
Dragic 32
Gay 32
Aldridge 33

Parker 36
Gasol 38
Ginobili 41

[Jules_Winnfield]

Parker-Green-Leonard-Aldridge-Gasol

Dragic-Ginobili-White-Gay-Lauvergne


Two ballhandlers/playmakers in each lineup.

[Capt Bringdown]

Would have liked to have been a fly-on-the-wall for the making of this shockingly bad deal. Some supposedly smart basketball minds thought signing Mills for mega-bucks was a good idea. How the fuck does that happen?

[MVPCues]

Would have liked to have been a fly-on-the-wall for the making of this shockingly bad deal. Some supposedly smart basketball minds thought signing Mills for mega-bucks was a good idea. How the fuck does that happen?


Smart Basketball Mind: "If you think there is value in trying to keep as many guys together as possible, give him what he is asking for." <shrug> "It isn't my money."

[SAGirl]

"The Spurs have holes at both PG and SG.Dragic and TJ would fill their holes nicely."

"And what the hell would we be getting in return? the only young player they have (assuming you want to blow it up) is Dejounte Murray and he plus their 1st rounder would not be worth both Dragic and TJ."

"don't they have another rookie and future 1St rounders."

"Brandon Paul is ok but even adding him isnt going to do much. Would have to get 2 first rounders at least I would imagine. Plus then salaries wouldnt work at all."

"Considering his contract and how bad he's been this season. we may have to attach something to TJ to move him. And Dejounte Murray and 1st rounder might be the best package we get for Dragic. There's not that many playoff teams that need a pg, maybe Orlando, Spurs and Denver. We wont get back anything close to what we owe for Dragic. Blowing it up this season is tricky because of the top 7 protected pick. We could end up tanking and gift Phx the 8th pick in a good draft. On the otherside we could try for the playoffs and just miss it and give Phoenix the 14th pick. Basically we have to be good or this is a wasted season. Or be extremely bad, but I dont see how we get there with so many worse teams tanking."

"If the Heat are 6 or 7 games under .500 come January 1st, I'm sure tank talk will be in full bloom. "


From the Heat forum.

Mills + Murray + Anderson + 1st round pick for Dragic + White


Dragic-Green-Leonard-Aldridge-Gasol

Parker-Ginobili-White-Gay-Lauvergne
:lolInteresting. they are in a losing skid. They overpaid Tyler Johnson for the next couple of seasons bc they matched him with that poison pill contract. He's a nice player, but his contract will balloon. Dragic is a nice player, but it seems outside of him no one has shown up for Miami.

[Budkin]

Would have liked to have been a fly-on-the-wall for the making of this shockingly bad deal. Some supposedly smart basketball minds thought signing Mills for mega-bucks was a good idea. How the fuck does that happen?

He's a "character guy."

[tholdren]

He's a "character guy."

Which means he wont bitch when tony gets back or when deejuntaye starts ahead of him. Hes a capable game changer when coming off the bench. Hes a 6 man a la crawford or jr smith. Streaky volume shooters.

[TD 21]

I think every Spur fan has frustrations..that's totally normal..

But tbh it's all about realistic expectations and holding those expectations true..

As you said Spurs were fortunate to win in 14'...but so has every championship team. I've been frustrated when PATFO have elected to "run it back" after winning titles..they've failed to repeat and it's the only knack they have as an organization. But I understand why they have done so and knew they have the best interest of winning. This organization doesn't try to sell tickets they just try to win and I respect the hell out of it.

They got LMA because he was needed for obvious reasons and he was the right move. I respect that they've attempted to lure CP3 and Durant..even tho they weren't the favorites they wanted the "talent" you're seeking. They'll do the same thing for LeBron this offseason.Contracts to Pau/Mills suck but I think it's naive to think they're automatically gonna play it out in SA.

I dunno what your expectations were for this year but it's pretty much played out almost exactly what I thought regarding Spurs.. If there's no Kawhi we ain't gotta chance and we truly don't know how we match up with GSW...

I mean who would've thought Spurs were gonna make it to the WCF the following year after Timmy retired??? If I told you that 5 years ago you would've called me crazy...

Not if I saw the roster, knew the level Leonard ascended to and the landscape of the West last season. Once Clippers were out of Spurs bracket and injuries did them in again in the playoffs, it was down to a virtual coin flip between them and Rockets for the right to lose to Warriors in WCF. Admittedly, I thought Rockets would win, but ultimately they won a coin flip game 5 and beat a one (super)star team. Sure, they closed them out in historically impressive fashion, but still.

You apologists and casuals have this lottery type mentality and ignore context. This team will more than likely need something completely unforeseen to replicate that. Like Parker miraculously returning to and sustaining '17 playoff form or a key injury to Rockets/Thunder.



Didn't Bill Land tonight say that Pop said you don't necessarily need talent to win, it's more about execution? Does anyone remember the exact quote?


To execute well they need talent simply. You can run the same play for different guys and they don't execute the same as your best guys bc they are less talented.

That and what's he going to say; this team isn't good enough to win consistently until they get healthy? Also, I was referencing championship, not regular season, but even then, you need someone who can break down the defense and create for others.

Hornets are a perfect example. Limited talent, low event type team, but they historically do all the things you need to do to give yourself a chance (elite at defensive rebounding, not turning it over or fouling) and have pretty much maxed out in recent years. All of it would have been for naught if Walker didn't ascend to being a borderline top 10 PG though.

[cd021]

"The Spurs have holes at both PG and SG.Dragic and TJ would fill their holes nicely."

"And what the hell would we be getting in return? the only young player they have (assuming you want to blow it up) is Dejounte Murray and he plus their 1st rounder would not be worth both Dragic and TJ."

"don't they have another rookie and future 1St rounders."

"Brandon Paul is ok but even adding him isnt going to do much. Would have to get 2 first rounders at least I would imagine. Plus then salaries wouldnt work at all."

"Considering his contract and how bad he's been this season. we may have to attach something to TJ to move him. And Dejounte Murray and 1st rounder might be the best package we get for Dragic. There's not that many playoff teams that need a pg, maybe Orlando, Spurs and Denver. We wont get back anything close to what we owe for Dragic. Blowing it up this season is tricky because of the top 7 protected pick. We could end up tanking and gift Phx the 8th pick in a good draft. On the otherside we could try for the playoffs and just miss it and give Phoenix the 14th pick. Basically we have to be good or this is a wasted season. Or be extremely bad, but I dont see how we get there with so many worse teams tanking."

"If the Heat are 6 or 7 games under .500 come January 1st, I'm sure tank talk will be in full bloom. "


From the Heat forum.

Mills + Murray + Anderson + 1st round pick for Dragic + White


Dragic-Green-Leonard-Aldridge-Gasol

Parker-Ginobili-White-Gay-Lauvergne

Much rather have Mills, Murray and Anderson tbh. Mills ,hopefully, continues to improves to the means. Murray has upside, assuming he becomes at least a competent mid range or long range threat and Anderson is fine as is.