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    Back on July 1, I posted this:

    Highest paid back up point guard in the league can't guard anyone, can't run an offense, can't make plays as the ballhandler, and can't shoot 35% from three past the first round since his shoulder surgery.

    If you think his deal looks bad now ...

    just wait until Manu is gone and Mills doesn't have anyone next to him to be the primary creator and ball handler and setting him up.

    His regular season % will look like his playoff %. And his playoff % will look like anguish.
    So 10% into the season, what has happened so far in this small but disturbing sample size?

    Well, statistically, this is by far the worst season of his career (qualifying minimum of 40 minutes total in a season, cutting out his briefly played rookie year).

    career low fg% of 31%

    career low 3pt % of 26.7%

    career low 2pt % of 35.5%

    career low rebounds per 36 of 1.8, same per 100 possessions at 2.4. I would argue this reflects his fatness and loss of speed hurting his hustle to grab and go. His career high unsurprisingly was 13-14.

    tied for career low in steals per 36 in 1.2, and per 100 possessions career low by itself at 1.6 Same with the rebounds I suspect, and again his career high was in 13-14.

    career low in points per 36, BY FAR, with 9.5.. Next lowest was 14.9 in 15-16. Also lowest by far by 100 possessions

    career lows in PER (4.4), true shooting (39.3%), win shares (-0.2), and BPM box plus minus (-6.4)

    But don't worry, he says "There’s no pressure to perform".

    League wide he's doing awful things. Going by ESPN's Hollinger advanced stats:

    12th worst of 315 qualified players in PER

    3rd worst of 315 qualified players in VALUE ADDED

    Tied for 3rd worst of 315 qualified players in ESTIMATED WINS ADDED

    Does that sound like a player who should be made what might be the highest paid back-up point guard in the league for 4 years?

    And I don't have much hope that he'll get much better. Sure, he might raise his shooting percentages. , against the Warriors he shot 2-6 from 3 and raised his yearly average.

    But the reason I fear he won't improve in a meaningful way, besides his weight, at ude, bad defensive tools and age, is the reason I outlined in my post from July.

    And that is Manu Ginobili.

    Manu is also having the worst year of his career, and in some categories only worse in his rookie year.

    Worst PER, Worst True Shooting, Worst win share, Worst BPM, Worst VORP.

    Worst 3pt %, Worst 2pt %, Worst rebounds/36, 2nd Worst after rookie in Assists per 36, 2nd Worst after rookie points per 36, 2nd Worst steals per 36

    Manu, understandably, is just about done. He'll have some ups, lots of downs, but he's not really a good impact player anymore, not like he was even 3 years ago. He's not a 6th man candidate. He can't do Patty's job anymore, not well enough to help anyway. He's coming off a playoff run that he began with four straight scoreless games and shot a Mills-esque 22% from 3 for the postseason.

    Manu won't be doing much better the rest of the way, he's on his way out. And Simmons could have been that guy. He's been that guy for Orlando, they run through him on second units. He showed with the Spurs that he could beat his own man off the dribble, get to the rim, finish, pass, use a pick, pass, penetrate, pull up, shoot ... Not as well as 6th man Manu, but better than any other Spur currently playing.

    Without that player next to him, Mills is ... well ... a highly paid 6 foot fat aging shooting guard who can't run an offense, can't penetrate, can't defend, can't make plays, and now can't shoot.

    Good news though. His contract reportedly had 2 million in unlikely incentives. So his 4/50 deal is probably only 4/48.

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    Knew this was going to be a disaster since the news of him re-signing broke. I didn't imagine he'd play this bad until the playoffs though.

    He's worthless right now and brings nothing but a body to fill in while Parker is out. PATFO blew it for sure.

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    Knew this was going to be a disaster since the news of him re-signing broke. I didn't imagine he'd play this bad until the playoffs though.

    He's worthless right now and brings nothing but a body to fill in while Parker is out. PATFO blew it for sure.
    Still remember being at work when I got the push notification at 12:01. George Hill has played like trash too so we may have been in the same situation either way.

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    Make Mills Good Again

    M.M.G.A

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    even SAGirl ting on Patty

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    even SAGirl ting on Patty
    Yea, he's been awful. I shared the .gifs bc even describing his struggles offensively as objective did above doesn't really capture the liability he's been.
    As you see there, if you post him up, there's nothing he can do, and teammates have to help leaving the defense vulnerable to an easy bucket from a teammate. He also can't do anything in transition defense. If on top of that he's going to shoot poorly and can't set up the offense... what does he do? for 50 mills? There were surely better guards Spurs could have gotten this past summer.

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    Frustrating

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    Fat piece of looks like a hamburger walking around out there

    Worst contract in spurs history after jeff

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    And whats up with the hair?? You look like milly vanillis fat cousin

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    It might be time for Pop to experiment with more Forbes and less Mills. At this point Forbes can't be any worse than Mills.

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    Patty was just traveling all summer, probably celebrating that contract he got.

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    who would have thought we would have been that much eager to see Tony back before the season start ?

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    Simmons: ranked as a SF.
    RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
    11 Jonathon Simmons, ORL 8 25.6 .635 12.1 12.9 22.7 2.2 11.9 7.3 17.75 22.2 0.7

    contract:
    Jonathon Simmons 28 SF Cap Space $6,300,000 - - ($13,300,000) $6,300,000 6.25

    Tyreke Evans: ranked as SG
    2 Tyreke Evans, MEM 8 25.4 .579 14.4 7.9 25.6 5.6 20.1 12.9 22.44 36.2 1.2

    contract:
    Tyreke Evans 28 SG Bi-Annual $3,290,000 - - ($3,290,000) $3,290,000 2.9


    Patty:
    66 Patty Mills, SA 8 23.1 .393 23.4 13.2 18.4 0.5 5.0 2.6 4.39 -18.3 -0.6

    contract
    Patrick Mills 29 PG Bird $10,714,286 - - ($49,714,285) $10,714,286 9.22

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    I told y'all. But did y'all listen?

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    That dude is serious garbage.

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    This is not the type of offense he was made for.

    A huge % of our offense comes off of set plays now.
    Patty is straight line fast and needs an open floor to move in.
    I think this is pretty clear. The first part of the GS game was ok for him. Then when it becomes clear the open floor play is their game and we are not getting the steals that allow for the open floor... shut the door. And add to that Patty has to play open floor D on the likes of Curry... yikes.

    Manu is our best PG, again. Thank god we have him.

    I must add that Pop's tirades aimed at Murray are not helpful. It's a Fckn national broadcast, cameras all over and he just temper tantrums on the kid. Finally he gets it and goes at the refs. Too late. The kid knows what he has done. Two turnovers of exactly the same type and Pop has to let the viewing audience by continually sticking two fingers in the kids face. Not helpful. Coach tantrum. No teaching.
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    Where’s that got dabom?

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    People say his contract is trade friendly — who’s gonna trade for this dumpster fire over 4 years?

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    People say his contract is trade friendly — who’s gonna trade for this dumpster fire over 4 years?
    Magic might be dumb enough to do it, tbh

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    Magic might be dumb enough to do it, tbh
    True. It would be like trading for the contractual equivalent of AIDS.

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    Magic might be dumb enough to do it, tbh
    would be a thanks to PATFO for improving a two-way player like Simmons and delivering them on a plate

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    The Spurs the bed with the Gasol and Mills contracts....now they get to lay in it!

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