Official Trump sexual allegation watch thread

[vy65]

You know you're wrong when Buttons and I agree

[RandomGuy]

This is the best post on the subject. Crying about :cry harassment :cry when the better criticism is that POTUS is tweeting lame troll attempts at other senators. The tweet is pathetic; but thinking its sexual harassment is snowflake mentality to a T.

At some point, you can't shrug shit off. Seems pretty obvious to me.

If you are sure that isn't, then what is? How explicit does it have to be for you?

[RandomGuy]

As you wish. First let's see if we can pin down "begging the question".

Begging the question is a circular argument that assumes the premise buried in the question itself to confirm the question.

Identify the premise in the question, and then try to state how it is circular:

"What does serial sexual assault say about a man?"




For reference:
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...g-the-Question
http://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/re...-Question.html
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/pre...-the-question/

If you can't identify a circular argument, why do you think that is?




You have to know the context in which the question is asked.

1. You claim person X sexually assaulted person Y because person Y said so.
2. I challenge the veracity of the claim of Person Y
3. You ask what sexual assault says about person X

Your question infers person X sexually assaulted someone. Since we haven't established sexual assault happened, the question about what it means about a person is either A) moot or B) begging the question

I gave you benefit of the doubt that you wouldn't ask a moot question. Ergo you are begging the question. If you'd like to change that to "moot", that's ok.

So you can't really identify the circular reasoning. Since you can't map it out as circular, you have failed to show it is begging the question.

I asked a general question, and rather specifically didn't specify anyone.

[spurraider21]

This is the best post on the subject. Crying about :cry harassment :cry when the better criticism is that POTUS is tweeting lame troll attempts at other senators. The tweet is pathetic; but thinking its sexual harassment is snowflake mentality to a T.
Agreed imho

[vy65]

The last bit was my embellishment to make a point.

It is a statement by the president of the united states. Does the medium mean the content is any different?

The medium absolutely makes a difference. Communication is not just the message, but the medium (i.e., how it's said). Tweets are remote forms of communication and lack the sort of physical imminence that is required for sexual harassment. The content of the message itself was open to interpretation (see, SpursforSix comments).

Do I think the tweet is bad? Absolutely. I'd expect a lot more from POTUS and its shameful the dickhead tweets. But you have to be a particularly brittle eggshell to think it sexual harassment.

[spurraider21]

People are reaching to call everything he says harassment now. Like RG the other day spamming random pictures of trump as if those are all groping and sexual assault when none of them were.

all you’re doing is crying wolf and shitting on your own credibility

[vy65]

The last bit was my embellishment to make a point.

It is a statement by the president of the united states. Does the medium mean the content is any different?

And if you're going to criticize someone -- especially someone who rightfully deserves criticism, like here -- don't "embellish" their words. That's pretty bush league and unnecessary.

[vy65]

People are reaching to cal everything he says is harassment now. Like RG the other day spamming random pictures of trump as if those are all groping and sexual assault when none of them were.

all you’re doing is crying wolf and shitting on your own credibility

Exactly. In addition to making everything harassment, it trivializes actual harassment. I guess an unwelcome squeeze of the ass in the workplace is now no different than a tweet.

[vy65]

At some point, you can't shrug shit off. Seems pretty obvious to me.

If you are sure that isn't, then what is? How explicit does it have to be for you?

I don't follow. I'm not shrugging this off. The tweet is totally inappropriate. It's just not sexual harassment.

Edit: A good threshold would be is the claimed harassment a tweet or not.

[baseline bum]

When you were in my office, you begged me for money, and said you would do anything. I will take you up on that.

That seems like a stretch imo

[boutons_deux]

The misogynist alt-Reich will certainly be targeting KG for cyber, etc HARASSMENT after their leader Trash went after her as a whore.

[spurraider21]

That seems like a stretch imo
Bend over, I’ll show you a stretch

[DMC]

When you have Trump money you can always grab'em by the pussy. That's why even Harvey made it so long without getting ratted out, he was paying out so all the good little Hollywhores wanted some of that. Once they got out of the inner circle they started crying foul.

:cry 20 years ago Donald grabbed my pussy, and after I blew him I felt so violated...


Actions count louder than words, right sporto? What does serial sexual assault say about a man?


Not really what the thread is about.

Do you care about Trumps actions or not?


Not really an answer to the question as to what serial sexual assault says about a man.

Its almost as if you think it's ok.


It's called begging the question and it's the tactic you plebes use most when you have a narrative to push. You haven't proven sexual assault. You called Roy Moore a pedo because he touched a 14 year old when pedo is defined clearly as desiring sex with prepubescent children.

If any of you ever offers an honest retort you'll get an honest response. You won't because you hold shit for cards so you talk a game and bluff and eventually always fold.


So you can't really identify the circular reasoning. Since you can't map it out as circular, you have failed to show it is begging the question.

I asked a general question, and rather specifically didn't specify anyone.
:lol

I don't think Trump committed sexual assault. Unwanted advances can be shunned, that's not assault.

[boutons_deux]

The WH Provided Three ‘Eyewitnesses’ To Disprove Trump Accusers. They Don’t.

But late Monday night — despite the numerous women who have accused Trump of everything from walking into girls’ dressing rooms to sexual assault — the White House provided one outlet with just three names (https://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/shs-eyewitness-list.pdf) of purported eyewitnesses.

Two of the White House’s “eyewitnesses” weren’t even in the same pageant as Samantha Holvey, the woman whose claims the White House asserted they’d denied.

One other eyewitness listed in an email to ThinkProgress (https://thinkprogress.org/eyewitnesses-white-house-exonerate-trump-ce8792f64364/) denied, in an interview last year arranged by Trump campaign, a separate claim against Trump.

Neither of two “eyewitnesses” the White House provided ThinkProgress Monday night competed in the 2006 Miss USA pageant. Katie Blair competed in Miss Teen USA 2006, and Melissa Young competed in Miss USA 2005.

Trump walked into their dressing room. Former competitor Mariah Billado recalled

Trump telling them, “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before (https://www.buzzfeed.com/kendalltaggart/teen-beauty-queens-say-trump-walked-in-on-them-changing?utm_term=.mv1ZEK3pd#.tbrbXq5P8).”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/white-house-eyewitnesses-trump-accusers?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

[DMC]

People are reaching to call everything he says harassment now. Like RG the other day spamming random pictures of trump as if those are all groping and sexual assault when none of them were.

all you’re doing is crying wolf and shitting on your own credibility
RG has no credibility to shit on.

[DarrinS]

doh!

RIP, RG

[djohn2oo8]

940650361337077766
Guess it wasn't a stretch.

[baseline bum]

Bend over, I’ll show you a stretch

I demand you resign your handle from spurstalk after such harassment.

[DisAsTerBot]

People are reaching to call everything he says harassment now. Like RG the other day spamming random pictures of trump as if those are all groping and sexual assault when none of them were.

all you’re doing is crying wolf and shitting on your own credibility

This this and this.

[spurraider21]

RG has no credibility to shit on.
He tends to go off the deep end. Was spamming melania modeling picks after the election

[RandomGuy]

People are reaching to call everything he says harassment now. Like RG the other day spamming random pictures of trump as if those are all groping and sexual assault when none of them were.

all you’re doing is crying wolf and shitting on your own credibility

Nah. The pictures were creepy. Not sexual assault, and if you took them that way, that is on you.

[spurraider21]

Nah. The pictures were creepy. Not sexual assault, and if you took them that way, that is on you.
To quote pavs, so just innuendo

[RandomGuy]

:lol

I don't think Trump committed sexual assault. Unwanted advances can be shunned, that's not assault.

I gave you several links, and a patient prompt to the important part of the concept, and it looks like you still don't quite get it.

Nothing you showed there meets the definition of "begging the question", because you still failed to show the critical aspect of the fallacy, namely circular reasoning.

[DMC]

I gave you several links, and a patient prompt to the important part of the concept, and it looks like you still don't quite get it.

Nothing you showed there meets the definition of "begging the question", because you still failed to show the critical aspect of the fallacy, namely circular reasoning.

Begging the question is merely asserting in your statement what you're trying to establish in the first place. You haven't established that Trump sexually assaulted anyone. You have allegations only. Then you ask me how I feel about a man who commits sexual assault.

[djohn2oo8]

940668667892781056
lied again

[DMC]

He tends to go off the deep end. Was spamming melania modeling picks after the election

He's the Political forum version of Fabbs, really into tabloid level shit, TMZ basically.

[RandomGuy]

:lol

I don't think Trump committed sexual assault. Unwanted advances can be shunned, that's not assault.

ome of Trump’s accusers describe acts that could have fallen under New York’s definition of “forcible touching,” a Class A misdemeanor; the statute of limitations for that crime is two years. Stoynoff’s Mar-a-Lago story could meet Florida’s definition of battery; that offense has a four-year statute of limitations in the state.


There is a single ongoing piece of litigation against the President, a civil defamation suit lodged by Summer Zervos, the former “Apprentice” contestant, who alleges that Trump “aggressively” kissed her, groped her, and thrust his genitals at her.

Personally I think they are telling the truth. They all seem vastly more credible than he does.

He has committed sexual assault. I don't see why you are working so hard to ignore that, or have some weird definition that doesn't include actively groping someone.

You're welcome to your own definition, of course, but if you want to make excuses for him, you will have to provide something a bit more clear if you want anyone else to buy into it.

[DMC]

Personally I think they are telling the truth. They all seem vastly more credible than he does.

He has committed sexual assault. I don't see why you are working so hard to ignore that, or have some weird definition that doesn't include actively groping someone.

You're welcome to your own definition, of course, but if you want to make excuses for him, you will have to provide something a bit more clear if you want anyone else to buy into it.

It doesn't matter what you think. Your bias disqualifies you from having an objective viewpoint.

Accusations /= assault

When are you folks going to learn to wait for the verdict? Does everything fall along party lines with you?

[djohn2oo8]

It doesn't matter what you think. Your bias disqualifies you from having an objective viewpoint.

Accusations /= assault

When are you folks going to learn to wait for the verdict? Does everything fall along party lines with you?

Is that what happened with Franken? Wait for the verdict?

[djohn2oo8]

Pretty sure DMC was all over that Weinstein thread when that first came out..

[DMC]

Is that what happened with Franken? Wait for the verdict?

Al quit.

I am on record here saying that photo doesn't indicate anything of the sort.

[RandomGuy]

Begging the question is merely asserting in your statement what you're trying to establish in the first place. You haven't established that Trump sexually assaulted anyone. You have allegations only. Then you ask me how I feel about a man who commits sexual assault.

Read the links. Begging the question requires a form of circular reasoning, which is absent. Your claim, your burden of proof. Repeating your false claim twenty times, doesn't make it true on the twenty-first.

Again, if you want to have a useless definition of something that is your prerogative. You are going to exclude from discussion any question where some aspect of information is required to answer it.

Since you want to quibble about the semantics, then I will be happy, yet again, to be as clear as possible.

In general, for any given man, what does the fact that he commits serial sexual assault on women say about him?

[vy65]

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[DMC]

Read the links. Begging the question requires a form of circular reasoning, which is absent. Your claim, your burden of proof. Repeating your false claim twenty times, doesn't make it true on the twenty-first.

Again, if you want to have a useless definition of something that is your prerogative. You are going to exclude from discussion any question where some aspect of information is required to answer it.

Since you want to quibble about the semantics, then I will be happy, yet again, to be as clear as possible.

In general, for any given man, what does the fact that he commits serial sexual assault on women say about him?

Circular reasoning: Trump is a sexual assaulter because he was accused of it and I believe it, so how do you feel about a guy who sexually assaults someone which means you support a sexual assaulter if you support Trump

Close enough

You're going to abandon this just like you abandoned the "objective morality" claim you made. One of you snowflakes made it.

[djohn2oo8]

DMC I thought you don't think about these things? Or is that just Roy Moore?

[lebomb]

I know the mufawkuh did it.

[RandomGuy]

It doesn't matter what you think. Your bias disqualifies you from having an objective viewpoint.

Accusations /= assault

When are you folks going to learn to wait for the verdict? Does everything fall along party lines with you?

My bias doesn't disqualify me from anything, as much as you want it to. What is ironic is that your bias against me means that you have automatically assumed that the only reason I buy into this is that I dislike Trump.

The problem here with "waiting for a verdict" is that there will be no trial for any of this.

You sometimes have to make calls with ambiguous, conflicting information. Reality rarely waits for, or even offers, perfect clarity.

The statement "Donald Trump committed sexual assault" has a truth independent of my thinking. It is either, in fact, true, or not true.

Given the fact that you have women whose statements form an overall coherent picture, it seems that granting them some measure of validity seems warranted. Ok to be somewhat skeptical, and take them each at their own.

If there were some form of trial, I am happy to wait for that trial, but I can form an opinion without having full information. I think I have enough to make a call I am fairly confident in, especially when the gentleman in question admitted to such behavior on tape. That is particularly damning.

[RandomGuy]

Circular reasoning: Trump is a sexual assaulter because he was accused of it and I believe it, so how do you feel about a guy who sexually assaults someone which means you support a sexual assaulter if you support Trump

Close enough

You're going to abandon this just like you abandoned the "objective morality" claim you made. One of you snowflakes made it.

Nope. Not at all what I said. Now you are just making things up.

I haven't abandoned that bit either. It is possible to get a form of morality that can be as objective as possible, when based on well being.

[RandomGuy]

Begging the question is merely asserting in your statement what you're trying to establish in the first place. You haven't established that Trump sexually assaulted anyone. You have allegations only. Then you ask me how I feel about a man who commits sexual assault.

I wasn't asking about Trump. I was speaking generally, to see if you were human enough to think that serial sexual assault might mean that a man was a shitty person. If you can't be honest about that, then I wasn't really going to bother going further.

I thought it an easy, softball question. Apparently not.

[RandomGuy]

https://media.giphy.com/media/h5SbEEFpDs84U/giphy.gif

I'm sure there are some starving children somewhere for you to laugh at. Skip along.

[vy65]

I'm sure there are some starving children somewhere for you to laugh at. Skip along.

https://i.imgflip.com/1imu9d.jpg

[Trill Clinton]

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So dude is insinuating she fucks for donations lol

[djohn2oo8]

So dude is insinuating she fucks for donations lol

Yup.

[Trill Clinton]

my neighbors wife always comes to my house "begging" *wink wink* to borrow some sugar(and lord knows she'll do anything for some sugar)http://i66.tinypic.com/2akbx3c.jpg

[boutons_deux]

one of the 3 ladies yesterday said he went after her on an airplane, she got away.

two years later he met her again and REMEMBERED her, called her a ****.

Of course, this was some years ago, so clearly his current mental illness and deterioration are much worse.

[RandomGuy]

To quote pavs, so just innuendo

Depends on how you are using that term.

Donald Trump is a creepy mother fucker, and has a long history of creepy statements, which I provided. If one is trying to prove creepiness, what standard of proof needs to be met?

[RandomGuy]

[deflection at having the statement "I think the children of people who make bad decisions should be allowed to starve to death" shoved in his face again]

Until you walk it back, any lectures about morality from you ring pretty hollow. You could always man up and say "ok, it was hyperbole, I was wrong". Your words, your choice.

[vy65]

Until you walk it back, any lectures about morality from you ring pretty hollow. You could always man up and say "ok, it was hyperbole, I was wrong". Your words, your choice.

Lol and who deflected first? Tell me, which of the logical fallacies that you love to trot out is that?

You had fuck all of substance to say, got called out by numerous posters for taking a ridiculous position, and had to bring up shit I said in posts from literally years ago. That's exceptionally desperate

[Trill Clinton]

I know the mufawkuh did it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohz6CjdIBhnCyTxU4/source.gifhttps://media1.tenor.com/images/4068cdbe03e20f3f68f9f5cbdc683f4d/tenor.gif

[benefactor]

Anyone with a partially functioning brain/not a blind Trumper knows he probably did to these women most of what he's been accused of. It comes down to what is actually damaging enough to build a case against him. Not sure that we are there yet.

[Reck]

So when you're talking to someone and they say, "I'd do anything to have a day off on Monday", you infer that they are willing to have sex?

That's fucked up.

It all depends on the person, imo.

Trump has a history of predatory behavior so him saying that can be construed as him hinting something sexual.

Just like the thing with Pedo Moore.

You're accused of molesting kids, you dont need to be bringing a 12 year old to interview you. The optics are terrible.

[RandomGuy]

Lol and who deflected first? Tell me, which of the logical fallacies that you love to trot out is that?

You had fuck all of substance to say, got called out by numerous posters for taking a ridiculous position, and had to bring up shit I said in posts from literally years ago. That's exceptionally desperate

Another chance to walk it back. Another choice not to. It stuck out in my mind. Sue me.

[spurraider21]

Another chance to walk it back. Another choice not to. It stuck out in my mind. Sue me.
you are free to proceed with your whataboutism

[boutons_deux]

Anyone with a partially functioning brain/not a blind Trumper knows he probably did to these women most of what he's been accused of. It comes down to what is actually damaging enough to build a case against him. Not sure that we are there yet.

The only evidence is he said / many they said, 16 said it on video, some on TV. The case is clear, just not a legal conviction, probably never.

If Trash stays, Franken stays.

I'd love to see some of his fellow predators like Clinton, Dershowitz, etc who flew down to FL with him and convicted felon Jeffrey Espstein to fuck young girls to come forward.

I'd also like to hear from models who worked in his model agency.

But I've heard enough from his victims, and from him, to conclude with confidence that He Done 'Em Dirty

I bet he fucked Ivana and maybe his other daughter.

[vy65]

Another chance to walk it back. Another choice not to. It stuck out in my mind. Sue me.

You never told me what's the fallacy for deflecting a topic where you literally had fuck all of important to say with shit from a thread from years ago.

Here's a master list of logical fallacies: http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm

You review and get back to me, k?

[boutons_deux]

JILL HARTH: He groped me. He absolutely groped me. And he just slipped his hand there, touching my private parts.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/42884-meet-the-miss-usa-contestant-accusing-trump-of-sexual-misconduct-as-senators-call-for-him-to-resign

[Mikeanaro]

Lol, the ¨Russian collusion¨ is falling apart, so dems now want to push this fake narrative... again.
When this falls apart, they will push the ¨Russian collusion¨ ...again.

[DisAsTerBot]

Lol, the ¨Russian collusion¨ is falling apart, so dems now want to push this fake narrative... again.
When this falls apart, they will push the ¨Russian collusion¨ ...again.

Yes. More than one thing cannot happen at once. You’re brilliant

[Mikeanaro]

Yes. More than one thing cannot happen at once. You’re brilliant
What else you all mighty robot? Trump eating McDonalds? Barron´s T Shirt?

[Pavlov]

Lol, the ¨Russian collusion¨ is falling apart, so dems now want to push this fake narrative... again.
When this falls apart, they will push the ¨Russian collusion¨ ...again.But it will have already fallen apart, according to you.

Is it going to come back together?

[Mikeanaro]

But it will have already fallen apart, according to you.

Is it going to come back together?
So? Demtards love to keep dead things relevant, if it fits their agenda.

[Pavlov]

So? Demtards love to keep dead things relevant, if it fits their agenda.Have you heard of #pizzagate?

[Mikeanaro]

Have you heard of #pizzagate?
I´ve heard of Donna Brazile and all the crap that surrounded the DNC and that cuck Sanders.
Also, who do I know pizzagate has been debunked? because a demtard says so?

[DarrinS]

And he drinks 12 diet cokes a day and binge watches cable news.

[Reck]

And he drinks 12 diet cokes a day and binge watches cable news.

Like the part where Trump said he's never seen a thin person drink diet coke like he's one to talk. :lol

[monosylab1k]

And he drinks 12 diet cokes a day and binge watches cable news.

It was pretty funny that he tweeted a denial about his TV watching habits immediately after an MSNBC segment about his TV watching habits. The guy is a comedic genius, intentionally or not.

[Pavlov]

I´ve heard of Donna Brazile and all the crap that surrounded the DNC and that cuck Sanders.
Also, who do I know pizzagate has been debunked? because a demtard says so?Ah, so you think pizzagate is real?

[koriwhat]

Ah, so you think pizzagate is real?

i def believe there's a ton around the world in most governments, including ours, that are pervs and pedos. it's already been proven! turn a blind eye though if you'd like.

[Mikeanaro]

Ah, so you think pizzagate is real?
I dont know, why do I need to have an opinion on that?
Hell, you are asking me things when you were not aware of the Debbie Wasserman Schultz scandal.

[Chris]

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25157899_1470338863094123_4021736129060304502_n.pn g?oh=c9bd144e674cbc7425080e97a3db2f4c&oe=5AC862A8

[TeyshaBlue]

you are free to proceed with your whataboutism

Clown pictures in your sig will totally up your cred. Get on it.

[spurraider21]

Clown pictures in your sig will totally up your cred. Get on it.
i havent seen a sig in years tbh... i disabled them within weeks of opening this account. found it impossible to navigate a thread, especially on mobile

[koriwhat]

i havent seen a sig in years tbh... i disabled them within weeks of opening this account. found it impossible to navigate a thread, especially on mobile

i tried to do the same with far left loons but no luck... too much to "ignore" you all.

[DarrinS]

i havent seen a sig in years tbh... i disabled them within weeks of opening this account. found it impossible to navigate a thread, especially on mobile


I disabled mine after seeing shit I can’t unsee, unfortunately. :lol

[boutons_deux]

USA Today Calls Trump Unfit To Clean Obama’s Toilets In Scathing Editorial

A president who’d all but call a senator a whore is unfit to clean toilets in Obama’s presidential library or to shine George W. Bush’s shoes,” USA Today’s Editorial Board wrote, adding

Trump was clearly suggesting Gillibrand would trade sexual favors for campaign donations.

The board added that

Trump is a “uniquely awful” person with “sickening behavior.”

His tweet was a new low for a president redefining rock bottom,

After ripping Trump for his attack on Gillibrand, USA Today’s Editorial Board listed key instances when

“Trump’s utter lack of morality, ethics and simple humanity” was on full display.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/usa-today-trump-obama-toilets_us_5a30cc54e4b07ff75afeb7de?utm_medium=ema il&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__121317&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__121317+CID_1de50c91 a3b6518657d63fbd6d834eeb&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=published%20a%20scathing%20editorial&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__121317

:lol That sounds like Fox/Breitbart editorializing about their hated knitter Obama.

[boutons_deux]

Colbert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=Le5kBwN6Vsg

[Pavlov]

I dont know, why do I need to have an opinion on that?
Hell, you are asking me things when you were not aware of the Debbie Wasserman Schultz scandal.I posted more about that than you ever did.

Tell me, what charges do you think should be brought against her?

[Pavlov]

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25157899_1470338863094123_4021736129060304502_n.pn g?oh=c9bd144e674cbc7425080e97a3db2f4c&oe=5AC862A8Melania was like 12 when this happened. You really want to stick with this after last night?

[Spurminator]

Some of Chris's memes seem to be making fun of him.

[Mikeanaro]

I posted more about that than you ever did.

Tell me, what charges do you think should be brought against her?
Jail for life, shemale ugly jew, tbh.

[Pavlov]

Jail for lifeThat's a penalty, not charges.


What charges do you think should be brought against her?

[DisAsTerBot]

Jail for life, shemale ugly jew, tbh.

Damn bro, those nazi sympathizers still going strong in Argentina eh?

[Mikeanaro]

That's a penalty, not charges.


What charges do you think should be brought against her?
Looking like a man with a big dong.

[Mikeanaro]

Damn bro, those nazi sympathizers still going strong in Argentina eh?
There are none in the US, right?

[Pavlov]

Looking like a man with a big dong.That's not a legal charge.

It's almost as if you have absolutely no idea what the fuck your trying to talk about and just threw out a name and some buzzwords because you just didn't know what else to do.

Almost.

[Mikeanaro]

That's not a legal charge.

It's almost as if you have absolutely no idea what the fuck your trying to talk about and just threw out a name and some buzzwords because you just didn't know what else to do.

Almost.
Is not the same you are blabbering all the time against Trump?

[Pavlov]

Is not the same you are blabbering all the time against Trump?Nope. I at least speculated on what I think could be the charges brought against Trump and his associates -- and it turns out some of the speculation turned out to be accurate.

You can't even try the same after you brought Wasserman-Schultz up yourself in a weak deflection attempt.

You got called out.

[clambake]

ding

[Pavlov]

dingAlso this.

[Mikeanaro]

Nope. I at least speculated on what I think could be the charges brought against Trump and his associates -- and it turns out some of the speculation turned out to be accurate.

You can't even try the same after you brought Wasserman-Schultz up yourself in a weak deflection attempt.

You got called out.
Called out by who?
Speculation has no substance, is all if should could would, she resigned because was full of shit, if not she would still be in the chair saying ¨Nothing wrong with rigging stuff, Chumpy told me that so no biggie¨.
The party of ¨liberty, sharing and democracy¨ only had two 70 year old farts and one of them is not even a true democrat, that was lame, where is the youth they promote as ¨the future¨.

[Pavlov]

Called out by who?Me. And you're throwing a tantrum because of it.


Speculation has no substance, is all if should could would, she resigned because was full of shit, if not she would still be in the chair saying ¨Nothing wrong with rigging stuff, Chumpy told me that so no biggie¨.
The party of ¨liberty, sharing and democracy¨ only had two 70 year old farts and one of them is not even a true democrat, that was lame, where is the youth they promote as ¨the future¨.Are you familiar with the term "word salad"?

[Mikeanaro]

Me. And you're throwing a tantrum because of it.

Are you familiar with the term "word salad"?
If Im throwing a tantrum you are going apeshit behind that computer...

Yes, in fact Hillary tossed Trump´s sallad after the election night.

[Pavlov]

If Im throwing a tantrum you are going apeshit behind that computer...Yeah. I'm all busted up today after Trump's boy lost in Alabama.


Yes, in fact Hillary tossed Trump´s sallad after the election night.*ding*

You really want to avoid anything resembling a conversation, don't you?

Ragebot.

[Mikeanaro]

Yeah. I'm all busted up today after Trump's boy lost in Alabama.

*ding*

You really want to avoid anything resembling a conversation, don't you?

Ragebot.
Sure, because he was going to win in every state...

Same with that libtard logic you have, if someone disagrees with you that person is bitch mad, thats why so many like you are unemployed and dying in a basement.

[Pavlov]

Sure, because he was going to win in every state...I'm going to assume you're as ignorant of Alabama politics as you are of everything else -- but even an ignorant foreigner should know that this loss was a big one.


Same with that libtard logic you have, if someone disagrees with you that person is bitch mad, thats why so many like you are unemployed and dying in a basement.Hey, I gave you every chance to tell everyone what charges you think should be brought against the former chair of the DNC when you brought her up as a distraction in this thread.

You failed.

Therefore I have little respect for you.

[Blake]

Called out by who?
Speculation has no substance, is all if should could would, she resigned because was full of shit, if not she would still be in the chair saying ¨Nothing wrong with rigging stuff, Chumpy told me that so no biggie¨.
The party of ¨liberty, sharing and democracy¨ only had two 70 year old farts and one of them is not even a true democrat, that was lame, where is the youth they promote as ¨the future¨.

Lolwut

[Mikeanaro]

I'm going to assume you're as ignorant of Alabama politics as you are of everything else -- but even an ignorant foreigner should know that this loss was a big one.

Hey, I gave you every chance to tell everyone what charges you think should be brought against the former chair of the DNC when you brought her up as a distraction in this thread.

You failed.

Therefore I have little respect for you.
Sure, it was as a big as Hillary losing the election...

[Pavlov]

Hillary*ding*

[vy65]

You never told me what's the fallacy for deflecting a topic where you literally had fuck all of important to say with shit from a thread from years ago.

Here's a master list of logical fallacies: http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm

You review and get back to me, k?

Still waiting ...

[TeyshaBlue]

https://i.imgflip.com/1imu9d.jpg

omfg :lmao

[Mikeanaro]

*ding*
Well, what about that time you said that Heather something mattered and it was going to change everything, and I told you nobody will remember her the next week.
I dont see people talking about her.

[Pavlov]

Well, what about that time you said that Heather something mattered and it was going to change everything, and I told you nobody will remember her the next week.
I dont see people talking about her.You're going to have to be more clear with your deflections. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Mikeanaro]

You're going to have to be more clear with your deflections. I don't know what you're talking about.
Thats a great deflection, but also comical because I knew I was right about that issue.

[Pavlov]

Thats a great deflection, but also comical because I knew I was right about that issue.Feel free to explain it. I can see it's important to you. I don't mind reading it all.

[Mikeanaro]

Feel free to explain it. I can see it's important to you. I don't mind reading it all.
Nah, the solely fact that you forgot the issue was enough to me.

[Pavlov]

Nah, the solely fact that you forgot the issue was enough to me.And so did you.

Not much of a victory tbh -- but you have to take what you can get.

:lol Heather

[Mikeanaro]

And so did you.

Not much of a victory tbh -- but you have to take what you can get.

:lol Heather
Lol, you are being even funnier!

[Pavlov]

Lol, you are being even funnier!Sure thing, Heather.

[Mikeanaro]

Sure thing, Heather.
LOL!

[Spurtacular]

Called out by who?
Speculation has no substance, is all if should could would, she resigned because was full of shit, if not she would still be in the chair saying ¨Nothing wrong with rigging stuff, Chumpy told me that so no biggie¨.
The party of ¨liberty, sharing and democracy¨ only had two 70 year old farts and one of them is not even a true democrat, that was lame, where is the youth they promote as ¨the future¨.

:lmao Chump had not response. It was incoherent garble he offered up. :lmao

[Pavlov]

:lmao Chump had not response. It was incoherent garble he offered up. :lmaoI know English isn't his first language, but that made less sense than usual tbh.

Did you have any actual legal charges for Wasserman-Schultz?

[Spurtacular]

I know English isn't his first language, but that made less sense than usual tbh.


I guess talking about salad is an adequate response to you, bruh.

[Pavlov]

I guess talking about salad is an adequate response to you, bruh.Word salad. It means his sentence didn't make sense because the words were ill placed.

[Mikeanaro]

:lmao Chump had not response. It was incoherent garble he offered up. :lmao
Chump is awesome, now he doesnt remember Heather.

[Pavlov]

Oh, you're talking about Heather Heyer?

The Virginia election showed that people remembered her quite well.

But you wouldn't know about that. You're too busy trying to deflect in a thread that has nothing to do with that.

[Spurtacular]

:cry Salad :cry

And the usual false narrative about a tantrum. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Did you have any actual legal charges for Wasserman-Schultz?

There is no liberal idiot you won't sperm shield for, is there? :lmao

[Pavlov]

And the usual false narrative about a tantrum. :lmaoI was perfectly willing to hear him out. As I am you with your charges against Wasserman-Schultz.


There is no liberal idiot you won't sperm shield for, is there? :lmaoI simply asked you what legal charges you would bring against her.

What legal charges would you bring against her?

[Spurtacular]

What legal charges would you bring against her?

I ain't none too worried about it at the moment, tbh.

[Pavlov]

I ain't none too worried about it at the moment, tbh.It's OK to just admit you couldn't think of even one tbh.

[Spurtacular]

It's OK to just admit you couldn't think of even one tbh.

What charges would you bring against her?

[Pavlov]

What charges would you bring against her?Since I'm not the one who thinks she's a criminal, none. I think she's just stupid.

[Spurtacular]

Since I'm not the one who thinks she's a criminal, none. I think she's just stupid.

You're willfully naive. It's highly doubtful that she's not a criminal.

[Pavlov]

You're willfully naive. It's highly doubtful that she's not a criminal.
What charges would you bring against her?

[Spurtacular]

What charges would you bring against her?

That would have nothing to do with your naivety.

[Pavlov]

That would have nothing to do with your naivety.If I am naive, you can convince me otherwise by telling me what charges you would bring against her.

What charges would you bring against her?

[Spurtacular]

If I am naive, you can convince me otherwise by telling me what charges you would bring against her.

What charges would you bring against her?

Nobody is going to convince you that your hero is not a villain.

[Pavlov]

Nobody is going to convince you that your hero is not a villain.Not my hero. I think she's rather stupid.

What charges would you bring against her?

[Spurtacular]

Not my hero. I think she's rather stupid.

Who said your heroes are smart?

[Pavlov]

Who said your heroes are smart?
She's not my hero.

What charges would you bring against her?

[Spurtacular]

She's not my hero.

:lol She's a DNC leader whom you have wholeheartedly supported.

[Pavlov]

:lol She's a DNC leader whom you have wholeheartedly supported.Nope.

What charges would you bring against her?

[Blake]

Nobody is going to convince you that your hero is not a villain.

Damn you're annoyingly stupid.

Mike too.

[Spurtacular]

Nope.

What charges would you bring against her?

Even when she was rigging the primaries, you never had a thing to say against her. Now, you're eager to defend her. Sounds like someone you wholeheartedly support.

[Pavlov]

Even when she was rigging the primaries, you never had a thing to say against her. Now, you're eager to defend her. Sounds like someone you wholeheartedly support.Nope. I'm simply asking you what charges you would bring against her.

What charges would you bring against her?

[Spurtacular]

Nope. I'm simply asking you what charges you would bring against her.

What charges would you bring against her?

Nope what?

Never condemned Wasserman for rigging the primaries -- True.
Eagerly defending her now -- True.

[Pavlov]

Nope what?

Never condemned WC for rigging the primaries -- True.
Eagerly defending her now -- True.Nope.

What charges would you bring against her?

[Spurtacular]

Nope.

What charges would you bring against her?

You never condemned Wasserman for rigging the primaries -- True.
You are eagerly defending her now -- True.

[boutons_deux]

No Texas Senator Has Called for the Resignation of Two Colleagues Accused of Sexual Misconduct

The reticence of many to respond strongly against these allegations is likely in part because more senators hold secrets of their own, a political scientist said.

“Bitch, you want to fuck with me tonight?”

“I can tell you’re wearing a thong, is it polka-dots to match your dress?”

Both men, Democrats and now state senators, have been accused of multiple instances of sexual harassment and assault at the Capitol,

This week, the Observer reached out to all 31 state senators as well as Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick, who didn’t respond, about the allegations.

Of the 15 senators who responded, including Miles and Uresti,

all broadly denounced sexual harassment, variously noting that it is “unacceptable,” “a serious and sensitive issue” and “will not be tolerated in the Texas Senate.”

However, none called on Miles or Uresti to resign.
https://www.texasobserver.org/texas-legislature-sexual-harassment-resign-silence-uresti-miles/

Uresti was fucking a WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION AGAINST HIM :lol


Cantu told FBI her affair with Uresti began in 2010 with ‘sexy’ comment, lewd text
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/local/article/Cantu-told-FBI-her-affair-with-Uresti-began-in-12430387.php?utm_campaign=mysa_breakingnews&utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter

[Pavlov]

You never condemned Wasserman for rigging the primaries -- True.
You are eagerly defending her now -- True.Nope, but thanks for admitting you can't think of even one (1) charge to bring against her. :lol

Now make an excuse for that. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Nope, but thanks for admitting you can't think of even one (1) charge to bring against her. :lol

Now make an excuse for that. :lmao

Go ahead and show us the post in which you admitted / condemned Wasserman-Schultz for rigging the primaries.

[Pavlov]

Go ahead and show us the post in which you admitted / condemned Wasserman-Schultz for rigging the primaries.And there's the deflection attempt!

No charges!

Ever!

Not one!

A Spurtacular failure!

:lmao

[Spurtacular]

And there's the deflection attempt!

No charges!

Ever!

Not one!

A Spurtacular failure!

:lmao

WTF are you talking about? Try reading sh**. How many posts in a row did I say you never condemned her rigging the primaries? Gawd, you're dumb. Go ahead and show us where you did that. You kept saying "nope". Are you saying your denials are meaningless?

[Pavlov]

WTF are you talking about? Try reading sh**. How many posts in a row did I say you never condemned her rigging the primaries? Gawd, you're dumb. Go ahead and show us where you did that. You kept saying "nope". Are you saying your denials are meaningless?Not one charge.:lmao

You realize you are now trying to distract from your distraction?

:lol

[Spurtacular]

Not one charge.:lmao

You realize you are now trying to distract from your distraction?

:lol

There is no distraction. From the start my point has been that you are a sperm shield for Wasserman-Shultz. You've done NOTHING to disprove that.

[Pavlov]

There is no distraction. From the start my point has been that you are a sperm shield for Wasserman-Shultz. You've done NOTHING to disprove that.What's the subject of the thread, Spurtacular?

[Mikeanaro]

Oh, you're talking about Heather Heyer?

The Virginia election showed that people remembered her quite well.

But you wouldn't know about that. You're too busy trying to deflect in a thread that has nothing to do with that.
You took too long to remember her, Trump is the president anyway so that doesnt make a difference, country is full of libtards.
:lol Helen

[Spurtacular]

What's the subject of the thread, Spurtacular?

:lmao Asks the guy who started the Wasserman-Shcultz convo.
:lmao Gawd, you're dumb!

[Pavlov]

You took too long to remember herOh, there's a time limit now.
Trump is the president anyway so that doesnt make a difference, country is full of libtards.
:lol HelenMade the difference in Virginia.

:lol foreign Nazis

[Pavlov]

:lmao Asks the guy who started the Wasserman-Shcultz convo.
:lmao Gawd, you're dumb!
I dont know, why do I need to have an opinion on that?
Hell, you are asking me things when you were not aware of the Debbie Wasserman Schultz scandal.:lmao you've never gotten one thing right.

What's the topic of the thread?

[Spurtacular]

:cry What's the topic of the thread? :cry

Anything to avoid the fact that you're a Wasserman-Scultz sperm shield. :lmao

[Pavlov]

Anything to avoid the fact that you're a Wasserman-Scultz sperm shield. :lmaoThere's nothing to shield her from. No one can name one (1) charge they want brought against her.

:lmao

[Blake]

Anything to avoid the fact that you're a Wasserman-Scultz sperm shield. :lmao

You're shooting blanks here

[Pavlov]

You're shooting blanks hereDon't have to sperm shield against a Ken doll tbh.

[Spurtacular]

There's nothing to shield her from. No one can name one (1) charge they want brought against her.

:lmao

Did Wasserman-Schultz rig the DNC nomination?

Yes or no.

[Pavlov]

Did Wasserman-Schultz rig the election?

Yes or no.Do you mean the primaries?

It's a big distinction.

[Spurtacular]

Do you mean the primaries?

It's a big distinction.

Did Wasserman-Schultz rig the DNC nomination?

Yes or no.

[Pavlov]

You really got to waste a post when you know what I meant? It's still technically an election, bruh.

Did Wasserman-Schultz rig the DNC nomination?

Yes or no.Yes.

What charges do you say should be brought against her?

[Spurtacular]

Yes.

What charges do you say should be brought against her?

:lmao

So, you worried about defending someone regarding criminality when you know she already rigged a presidential nomination for a major party? :lmao

[Pavlov]

:lmao

So, you worried about defending someone regarding criminality when you know she already rigged a presidential nomination for a major party? :lmaoThere's nothing criminal about that. Maybe that's unfortunate, but it's not illegal. At all.

I answered your question. Now answer mine.

What charges do you say should be brought against her?

[Spurtacular]

There's nothing criminal about that. Maybe that's unfortunate, but it's not illegal. At all.

I answered your question. Now answer mine.

What charges do you say should be brought against her?

There is something very "criminal" about robbing the nomination of a major party; it's not merely "unfortunate." But you have aspergers and think it should be boiled down to a prosecution or not. You're defending someone who in essence is a big-time criminal. And to do what she did, she almost certainly broke a slew of laws, btw.

[Pavlov]

There is something very "criminal" about robbing the nomination of a major party; it's not merely "unfortunate." But you have aspergers and think it should be boiled down to a prosecution or not. You're defending someone who in essence is a big-time criminal. And to do what she did, she almost certainly broke a slew of laws, btw.Which laws?

What charges do you say should be brought against her?

Answer the question.

[Spurtacular]

Which laws?

What charges do you say should be brought against her?

Answer the question.

Who cares. Prosecution / Non-prosecution won't change the fact that she is highly corrupted (as you admitted).

[Pavlov]

Who cares.:lmao

Another Spurtacular failure.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

Another Spurtacular failure.

Is prosecuting Wasserman-Schultz going to get Bernie the nomination back?

Oh, that's just "unfortunate" :lmao

[Spurtacular]

"Unfortunate"

:lmao Today's sperm shield.

[Pavlov]

Is prosecuting Wasserman-Schultz going to get Bernie the nomination back?

Oh, that's just "unfortunate" :lmao


"Unfortunate"

:lmao Today's sperm shield.See, I said you had a fundamental lack of knowledge here.

It's how political parties work. If you want big government to be involved in the nomination process, just say so. I'll read your proposal, just like I'll read the list of charges you want to be brought against Wasserman-Schultz.

[Spurtacular]

It's how political parties work. If you want big government to be involved in the nomination process, just say so.

Gonna just go on with whatever false narrative pops into your head.

#ParForTheCourse

[Pavlov]

Gonna just go on with whatever false narrative pops into your head.

#ParForTheCourseDo you want the nomination process to change?

Yes or no.

[Spurtacular]

Do you want the nomination process to change?

Yes or no.

:lmao Like a dog chasing whatever is in front of him.

[Pavlov]

:lmao Like a dog chasing whatever is in front of him.:lmao Like a dog not being able to answer a question yes or no.

[spurraider21]

:lmao Like a dog not being able to answer a question yes or no.
tbh my dog gives pretty clear yes or no answers when i ask him if he wants to go for a walk

[Pavlov]

tbh my dog gives pretty clear yes or no answers when i ask him if he wants to go for a walkI believe it. Spurtacular just shakes and pisses all over himself.

[boutons_deux]

Terror In The White House As Voters Want Trump To Resign Over Sexual Harassment Allegations

A new PPP Poll shows that a majority of voters want Donald Trump to resign over the allegations by 17 women that he sexually harassed them.According to Public Policy Polling (PPP) (https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/polls/voters-think-trump-resign-harassment-allegations/),

“PPP’s newest national poll finds that a majority of voters think Donald Trump should resign from the Presidency because of the allegations of sexual harassment against him.

53% think Trump should step down to

just 42% who think he should remain in office. :lol

53% of voters believe the women who have accused Trump of harassment, to

31% who think they aren’t telling the truth.” :lol

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/12/14/terror-white-house-voters-trump-resign-sexual-harassment-allegations.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (http://www.politicususa.com/2017/12/14/terror-white-house-voters-trump-resign-sexual-harassment-allegations.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

goddamn, Ms of Americans are fucking stupid.

[spurraider21]

he's not gonna fuckin resign over that shit and lol at any retard (including those in congress) who are calling for it with any expectations at all

[Mikeanaro]

:lmao

So, you worried about defending someone regarding criminality when you know she already rigged a presidential nomination for a major party? :lmao
Because it fits his agenda, no biggie.

[Mikeanaro]

Im going to post some Boutons_deux-like info too

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/these-ridiculous-headlines-about-aliens-may-just-make-you-question-their-existence-18-photos-26.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=600http://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/alien-ride630.gifhttp://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/intel/08/08/25_alienbacksobama_lg.jpg

[Spurtacular]

:cry Why don't you answer random tangents. :cry

[Spurtacular]

I pisses all over myself.

Bro, you just asked a question pretty much for the fuck of it. Don't act like a child if you don't like getting the treatment.

[Spurtacular]

Because it fits his agenda, no biggie.

:lmao Pavlov
:lmao So easy to call out.

[TSA]

Gloria Allred's daughter

Exclusive: Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers

A well-known women’s rights lawyer sought to arrange compensation from donors and tabloid media outlets for women who made or considered making sexual misconduct allegations against Donald Trump during the final months of the 2016 presidential race, according to documents and interviews.

California lawyer Lisa Bloom’s efforts included offering to sell alleged victims’ stories to TV outlets in return for a commission for herself, arranging a donor to pay off one Trump accuser’s mortgage and attempting to secure a six-figure payment for another woman who ultimately declined to come forward after being offered as much as $750,000, the clients told The Hill.

The women’s accounts were chronicled in contemporaneous contractual documents, emails and text messages reviewed by The Hill, including an exchange of texts between one woman and Bloom that suggested political action committees supporting Hillary Clinton were contacted during the effort.

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Bloom, who has assisted dozens of women in prominent harassment cases and also defended film executive Harvey Weinstein earlier this year, represented four women considering making accusations against Trump last year. Two went public, and two declined.

In a statement to The Hill, Bloom acknowledged she engaged in discussions to secure donations for women who made or considered making accusations against Trump before last year’s election.

“Donors reached out to my firm directly to help some of the women I represented,” said Bloom, whose clients have also included accusers of Bill Cosby and Bill O’Reilly.

Bloom said her goal in securing money was not to pressure the women to come forward, but rather to help them relocate or arrange security if they felt unsafe during the waning days of a vitriolic election. She declined to identify any of the donors.

And while she noted she represented sexual harassment victims for free or at reduced rates, she also acknowledged a standard part of her contracts required women to pay her commissions as high as 33 percent if she sold their stories to media outlets.

“Our standard pro bono agreement for legal services provides that if a media entity offers to compensate a client for sharing his or her story we receive a percentage of those fees. This rarely happens. But, on occasion, a case generates media interest and sometimes (not always) a client may receive an appearance fee,” she said.

“As a private law firm we have significant payroll, rent, taxes, insurance and other expenses every week, so an arrangement where we might receive some compensation to defray our costs seems reasonable to us and is agreed to by our clients,” Bloom added.

Bloom told The Hill she had no contact with Clinton or her campaign, but declined to address any contacts with super PACs that supported the Democratic presidential nominee.

Josh Schwerin, the communications director for Priorities USA Action, the largest pro-Clinton super PAC, told The Hill that the group had no relationship with Bloom and had no discussions with her about supporting Trump accusers.

One Bloom client who received financial help from Bloom was New York City makeup artist Jill Harth.

The former beauty contestant manager filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against Trump in 1997 and then withdrew it under pressure. The news media discovered the litigation during the election, and Harth’s name became public in the summer of 2016. She asked Bloom to represent her in the fall after hearing Trump describe her allegations against him as false, and became a vocal critic of Trump.

“I consider myself lucky to have had Lisa Bloom by my side after my old lawsuit resurfaced. She advised me with great competence and compassion,” Harth told The Hill.

Harth said she did not originally ask Bloom for money, even though her cosmetics business suffered from the notoriety of the campaign stories about her.

But later, Bloom arranged a small payment from the licensing of some photos to the news media, and then set up a GoFundMe.com account to raise money for Harth in October 2016. “Jill put herself out there, facing off with Donald Trump. Let’s show her some love,” the online fundraising appeal set up by Bloom’s husband declared.

The effort raised a little over $2,300.

Bloom then arranged for a donor to make a larger contribution to help Harth pay off the mortgage on her Queens apartment in New York City. The amount was under $30,000, according to a source directly familiar with Harth’s situation. Public records show Harth’s mortgage was recorded as extinguished on Dec. 19, 2016.

Harth said the payments did not affect the merits of her allegations. She alleges that during a January 1993 meeting at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, the future president pushed her up against a wall and groped her, trying to get his hands up her dress.

“Nothing that you’ve said to me about my mortgage or the Go Fund Me that was created to help me out financially affects the facts or the veracity of my 1997 federal complaint against Donald J. Trump for sexual harassment and assault,” she told The Hill.

“Having to retell my experiences of Donald Trump's harassment is the hardest thing I've ever had to do.”

Trump has steadfastly denied assaulting or harassing women, even after a videotape surfaced in September 2016 in which he can be heard boasting that famous men like him can grab women by the genitalia without consequence. Trump has dismissed the tape as "locker room talk."

Harth is currently writing a memoir about her whole experience, but without Bloom’s help.

Bloom acknowledged arranging financial help for Harth, who she said had lost income because of the publicity surrounding her allegations.

“She endured a tidal wave of hate for it. It was very painful for her. And as a New York City makeup artist, Jill lost jobs after she came out publicly against Donald Trump. I believed that people wanted to donate to help her, so we set up the GoFundMe account,” she told The Hill.

The Hill does not identify the names of victims of sexual assault or harassment unless they go public on their own, like Harth.

But one woman who did not go public with allegations agreed to share her documents and talk to The Hill about her interactions with Bloom if The Hill honored its commitment to maintain her anonymity.

Both that woman and Harth, who were friends, stressed that Bloom never asked them to make any statements or allegations except what they believed to be true.

Their texts and emails indicate Bloom held a strong dislike of Trump though. Bloom is the daughter of Gloria Allred, another prominent attorney who is representing a number of women who have made accusations of sexual misconduct against Trump.

In an email to the unnamed woman, Bloom said that her story was “further evidence of what a sick predator this man is,” referring to Trump.
Documents also show Bloom’s efforts to get alleged victims of sexual assault or harassment to come out against Trump intensified as Election Day 2016 approached.

When Harth, for instance, informed Bloom she had just made a Facebook post urging other women to come forward about Trump in October 2016, the lawyer texted back: “Wow Jill that would be amazing. 27 days until the election.”

And when a potential client abruptly backed out of a pre-election news conference in which she was supposed to allege she was sexually assaulted at age 13, Bloom turned her attention to another woman.

That woman, Harth’s friend, went back and forth for weeks with Bloom in 2016 about going public with an allegation of an unsolicited advance by Trump on the 1990s beauty contest circuit.

“Give us a clear sense of what you need and we will see if it we can get it,” Bloom texted the woman a week before Election Day.

“I’m scared Lisa. I can’t relocate. I don’t like taking other people’s money,” the woman wrote to Bloom.

“Ok let’s not do this then,” Bloom responded. “We are just about out of time anyway.”

The woman then texted back demanding to know why there was a deadline. “What does time have to do with this? Time to bury Trump??? You want my story to bury trump for what? Personal gain? See that 's why I have trust issues!!”

The woman told The Hill in an interview that Bloom initially approached her in early October through Harth. She said she considered coming forward with her account of an unsolicited advance by Trump solely to support her friend Harth, and not because she had any consternation with Trump, who ended the advance when she asked him to stop, she said.

The woman said Bloom initially offered a $10,000 donation to the woman’s favorite church, an account backed up by text messages the two exchanged.

“Please keep the donation offer confidential except to your pastor,” Bloom wrote the woman on Oct. 14, 2016.

When Bloom found out the woman was still a supporter of Trump and associated with lawyers, friends and associates of the future president, she texted a request that jarred the woman.

“When you have a chance I suggest you delete the August 2015 Facebook post about supporting Trump,” Bloom texted. “Otherwise the reporter will ask you how you could support him after what he did to you. Your call but it will make your life easier.”

The woman declined. “I hate to say it, but i still rather have trump in office than hillary,” the woman texted back. Bloom answered, “Ok I respect that. Then don’t change anything.”

Eventually the two decided the woman’s continued support of Trump was a benefit to her narrative if she went public with her accusations, the messages show. “I love your point about being a Trump supporter too,” Bloom texted on Oct. 14, 2016.

The text messages show the woman made escalating requests for more money.

By early November, the woman said, Bloom’s offers of money from donors had grown to $50,000 to be paid personally to her, and then even higher.

“Another donor has reached out to me offering relocation/security for any woman coming forward. I’m trying to reach him,” Bloom texted the woman on Nov. 3, 2016. Later she added, “Call me I have good news.”

The woman responded that she wasn’t impressed with the new offer of $100,000 given that she had a young daughter. “Hey after thinking about all this, I need more than $100,000.00. College money would be nice” for her daughter. “Plus relocation fees, as we discussed.”

The figured jumped to $200,000 in a series of phone calls with Bloom that week, according to the woman. The support was promised to be tax-free and also included changing her identity and relocating, according to documents and interviews.

Bloom told The Hill that the woman asked for money as high as $2 million in the conversations, an amount that was a nonstarter, but the lawyer confirmed she tried to arrange donations to the woman in the low six figures.

“She asked to be compensated, citing concerns for her safety and security and over time, increased her request for financial compensation to $2 million, which we told her was a non-starter,” Bloom told The Hill. “We did relay her security concerns to donors, but none were willing to offer more than a number in the low six figures, which they felt was more appropriate to address her security and relocation expenses.”

The woman said that when she initially talked to Bloom she simply wanted to support Harth and had no interest in being portrayed as an accuser or receiving money. But when Bloom’s mention of potential compensation became more frequent, the woman said she tried to draw out the lawyer to see how high the offer might reach and who might be behind the money.

Just a few days before the election, the woman indicated she was ready to go public with her story, then landed in the hospital and fell out of contact with Bloom.

The lawyer repeatedly texted one of the woman’s friends on Nov. 4, 2016, but the friend declined to put the woman on the phone, instead sending a picture of the client in a hospital bed.

Bloom persisted, writing in a series of texts to the friend that she needed to talk to her hospitalized client because it could have “a significant impact on her life” and a “big impact on her daughter” if she did not proceed with her public statement as she had planned.

“She is in no condition for visitors,” the friend texted Bloom back.

“If you care about her you need to leave her be until she is feeling better,” the friend added in another text.

Bloom hopped on a plane from California to come see the woman on the East Coast, according to the text messages and interviews.

The next day, the woman finally reconnected with Bloom and informed her she would not move forward with making her allegations public. Bloom reacted in a string of text messages after getting the news.

“I am confused because you sent me so many nice texts Wednesday night after my other client wasted so much of my time and canceled the press conference,” Bloom texted on Nov. 5, 2016. “That meant a lot to me. Thursday you said you wanted to do this if you could be protected/relocated. I begged you not to jerk me around after what I had just gone through.”

A little later, she added another text. “You have treated me very poorly. I have treated you with great respect as much as humanly possible. I have not made a dime off your case and I have devoted a great deal of time. It doesn’t matter. I could have done so much for you. But you can’t stick to your word even when you swear you will.”

After the woman was released from the hospital, she agreed to meet Bloom at a hotel on Nov. 6, just two days before Trump unexpectedly defeated Clinton.

The woman told The Hill in an interview that at the hotel encounter, Bloom increased the offer of donations to $750,000 but still she declined to take the money.

The woman texted Bloom that day saying she didn’t mean to let her lawyer down.

“You didn’t let me down,” Bloom texted back. “You came and spoke to me and made the decision that’s right for you. That’s all I wanted.”

Bloom confirmed to The Hill that she flew to Virginia to meet with the woman after she had changed her mind several times about whether to go public with her accusations against Trump.

“We invited her to meet with us at the hotel restaurant and she accepted. Ultimately, after another heartfelt discussion, she decided that she did not want to come forward, and we respected her decision,” Bloom told The Hill.

Bloom said the donor money was never intended “to entice women to come forward against their will.”

“Nothing can be further from the truth. Some clients asked for small photo licensing fees while others wanted more to protect their security,” she said.

Bloom declined to identify the name of any donors who would have provided money for women making accusations against Trump.

Harth and the woman who decided not to go public said they never were given any names of donors.

But Bloom told the woman who declined to come forward that she had reached out to political action committees supporting Clinton’s campaign.

“It’s my understanding that there is some Clinton Super Pack [sic] that could help out if we did move forward,” the woman wrote Bloom on Oct. 11, 2016. “If we help the Clinton campaign they in turn could help or compensate us?”

Bloom wrote back, “Let’s please do a call. I have already reached out to Clinton Super PACs and they are not paying. I can get you paid for some interviews however.”

The woman who ultimately declined to come forward with Bloom told The Hill that she stayed silent for an entire year afterward because she did not want to call attention to her family.

She said she supported Trump in 2016, and that he she held no resentment about the early 1990s advance because Trump stopped it as soon as she asked him.

She said she remains friends with many people associated with the president to this day, including one of his best personal friends and a lawyer who works for one of the firms representing Trump.

The woman said, however, no one associated with the Trump White House or the president forced her to come forward or made any offers to induce her to talk to The Hill. She said she agreed to do so only after she became disgusted to learn this past October that Bloom had agreed to work in defense of Weinstein.

“I couldn’t understand how she could say she was for people like me and then represent someone like him. And then all the money stuff I knew about. I just became frustrated,” she said.

Bloom dropped her representation of Weinstein as the accusations piled up against him, telling Buzzfeed that it had been a “colossal mistake.”

Nearly from the beginning, Bloom made clear to the woman she would have to pay her law firm a commission on any fees the attorney arranged from media outlets willing to pay for the woman’s story, according to a copy of a contract as well as a text message sent to the woman.

“Outlets with which I have good relationships that may pay for your first on camera interview, revealing your name and face: Inside Edition, Dr. Phil, LawNewz.com,” Bloom texted the woman just weeks before Election Day. “My best estimate of what I could get for you would be $10-15,000 (less our 1/3 attorney fee)."

“If you are interested I would recommend Inside Edition or Dr. Phil as they are much bigger. Dr. Phil is doing a show on Trump accusers next Tuesday in LA and would fly you here and put you up in a nice hotel, and pay for your meals as well, with your daughter if you like,” Bloom’s text added. “Media moves very quickly so you need to decide and then once confirmed, you need to stick to it.”

Representatives of "Inside Edition" and "Dr. Phil" said they did not pay any Trump accusers for appearances last year.

Bloom’s firm sent the woman a “media-related services” contract to represent her for “speaking out against Donald Trump” that laid out business terms for selling a story in the most direct terms.

“You will compensate the Firm thirty-three percent (33%) of the total fee that you collect, whether the media deal or licensing fees is for print, Internet, radio, television, film or any other medium,” Bloom’s proposed contract, dated Oct. 10, 2016, read. The woman said she signed the contract.

When Bloom found out in early November that the woman and the friend had discussions with CBS News about doing an interview on their own, the lawyer texted back: “CBS does not pay for stories.”

A little later Bloom sent another text suggesting the arrangements she was making could be impacted by the unauthorized media contacts. “You and your friends should not be shopping the story it will come back to bite you,” Bloom texted. “And this whole thing we have worked so hard to make happen will go away.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/365068-exclusive-prominent-lawyer-sought-donor-cash-for-two-trump-accusers

[TSA]

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[Blake]

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I wonder what Trump will settle for

[Chris]

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[Blake]

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Lol Chris posting a meme from "@thegaywhostrayed"

[dabom]

Lol Chris posting a meme from "@thegaywhostrayed"

:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Chris

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[DMC]

tbh my dog gives pretty clear yes or no answers when i ask him if he wants to go for a walk


Of course, the last one got eaten by coyotes.

[dabom]

Chris (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656)

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[dabom]

Chris been in this thread 40 minutes coming up with a reply. :lmao

[Chris]

Lol Chris posting a meme from "@thegaywhostrayed"

Didn't even notice :lol not surprised you were all over it.

[spurraider21]

Of course, the last one got eaten by coyotes.
Good job

real tough guy

[Mikeanaro]

:lol Lisa Bloom.

[TSA]

:lol Lisa Bloom.

Notice how no liberal here even acknowledged it

[Pavlov]

Notice how no liberal here even acknowledged itI acknowledge it.

And?

What is your point?

Are you saying they're all lying sluts?

[Mikeanaro]

Notice how no liberal here even acknowledged it
No, in fact Chump is doing damage control, he thinks its just a little stain.

[Pavlov]

Eh, TSA will never answer the question -- so it can't be that big a deal.

[DMC]

Good job

real tough guy

Wouldn't you toe the line if your predecessor was mauled by wild dogs?

[koriwhat]

I acknowledge it.

And?

What is your point?

Are you saying they're all lying sluts?

bloom def is a liar just like her **** mother. oh, so what were you saying again about that yearbook roy moore bs? lol

[Pavlov]

bloom def is a liar just like her **** mother. oh, so what were you saying again about that yearbook roy moore bs? lolI'm talking about all Moore's accusers.

Do you think they are all lying sluts?

[koriwhat]

I'm talking about all Moore's accusers.

Do you think they are all lying sluts?

who knows? i'm no judge nor jury.

so forget the liars right? forget the setup? lol

as well, we were def discussing that yearbook in the other thread. don't act like we weren't.

[Pavlov]

who knows? i'm no judge nor jury.

so forget the liars right? forget the setup? lol

as well, we were def discussing that yearbook in the other thread. don't act like we weren't.So one woman adding a few words makes them all lying sluts?

[Spurtacular]

So one woman adding a few words makes them all lying sluts?

Lying sluts is your only hope at this point. :lmao

[Pavlov]

Lying sluts is your only hope at this point. :lmaoMy hope that Moore would lose the election?

Seemed to work out OK tbh.

Do you think all Moore's accusers are are lying sluts?

[koriwhat]

So one woman adding a few words makes them all lying sluts?

you're the one calling them lying sluts. truth.

[koriwhat]

as well pav, in the other thread you claimed the yearbook to be real proof. now she added a couple words? hmm...

[Pavlov]

you're the one calling them lying sluts. truth.I'm asking you if you think they are all lying sluts.

Do you think they are all lying sluts?

[Pavlov]

as well pav, in the other thread you claimed the yearbook to be real proof. now she added a couple words? hmm...Still real proof. hmm...

[Spurtacular]

My hope that Moore would lose the election?

Seemed to work out OK tbh.

Do you think all Moore's accusers are are lying sluts?

If I answered that, you'd confuse an honest answer with a defense of Moore, whom I have no affinity for. But my previous statement stands that you are putting your eggs in the lying sluts basket.

[koriwhat]

I'm asking you if you think they are all lying sluts.

Do you think they are all lying sluts?

doesn't matter what i think... why would i consider them sluts? or lying sluts at that? like i said, i am no judge nor jury. that yearbook bitch was def a liar though and you only had to look at her rep, not her 2 toned yearbook, to see through her bs.

[Pavlov]

If I answered that, you'd confuse an honest answer with a defense of Moore, whom I have no affinity for. But my previous statement stands that you are putting your eggs in the lying sluts basket.So you think they are all lying sluts independent of your support of Moore?

Yes or no.

[Pavlov]

doesn't matter what i think... why would i consider them sluts? or lying sluts at that? like i said, i am no judge nor jury. that yearbook bitch was def a liar though and you only had to look at her rep, not her 2 toned yearbook, to see through her bs.So no trial needed there, eh?

OK.

[koriwhat]

the troll game is so weak here on ST... it consists of dumb yes or no questions trying to entrap you into some bs so these low lifes can point their fingers and proclaim their victory. what victory you might ask, who the fuck knows really? the entitled self-absorbed morons of ST make me smh and lol.

[Pavlov]

the troll game is so weak here on ST... it consists of dumb yes or no questions trying to entrap you into some bs so these low lifes can point their fingers and proclaim their victory. what victory you might ask, who the fuck knows really? the entitled self-absorbed morons of ST make me smh and lol.I don't know what victory you think would be had by just saying whether you think all of Moore's accusers are lying -- but Team Trump's abject fear of stating their opinions is hilarious.

[koriwhat]

So no trial needed there, eh?

OK.

not when the lawyer can't even answer simple questions and won't let a real professional of signatures examine that "evidence". just see allred or bloom and it's a given those two cunts are up to something. the apple doesn't fall far from the burning bush.

[Pavlov]

not when the lawyer can't even answer simple questions and won't let a real professional of signatures examine that "evidence". just see allred or bloom and it's a given those two cunts are up to something. the apple doesn't fall far from the burning bush.So they're lying sluts.

[Spurtacular]

So you think they are all lying sluts independent of your support of Moore?

Yes or no.

Moore's done; and you put your hopes and dreams into any lying slut that advances your cause.

[koriwhat]

I don't know what victory you think would be had by just saying whether you think all of Moore's accusers are lying -- but Team Trump's abject fear of stating their opinions is hilarious.

has nothing to do with sluts or lying or whatever... that's just yalls dumb ass game played here on ST and probably elsewhere. yes or no? yes or no? yes or no?

like 3 year olds who only know a word or three.

[Pavlov]

Moore's done; and you put your hopes and dreams into any lying slut that advances your cause.Which lying sluts are you talking about?

Give me some names.

[koriwhat]

So they're lying sluts.

yes, gloria allred and her bitch ass daughter lisa bloom are lying dipshits. not sure about sluts though.

[Pavlov]

has nothing to do with sluts or lying or whatever... that's just yalls dumb ass game played here on ST and probably elsewhere. yes or no? yes or no? yes or no?

like 3 year olds who only know a word or three.If you're terrified of stating your own opinion, I accept that you are terrified.

[Pavlov]

yes, gloria allred and her bitch ass daughter lisa bloom are lying dipshits. not sure about sluts though.So anyone they represent must also be lying? I'm just trying to understand what you're trying to say.

[koriwhat]

If you're terrified of stating your own opinion, I accept that you are terrified.

this is exactly what i am talking about. go in circles idiot. i already stated what my position was on this matter but go ahead and keep being a dipshit.

[koriwhat]

So anyone they represent must also be lying? I'm just trying to understand what you're trying to say.

they're liars. not sure about everyone they represent though. opportunists are like that.

[Pavlov]

this is exactly what i am talking about. go in circles idiot. i already stated what my position was on this matter but go ahead and keep being a dipshit.It wasn't really clear what opinion you stated.

What was your opinion on this matter?

[Spurtacular]

:cry Please women come forward and talk about "unwanted sexual advances" from Alpha Trump :cry

:lmao Today's snowflake
:lmao Daddy issues

[Pavlov]

they're liars. not sure about everyone they represent though. opportunists are like that.So you don't actually have an opinion on whether Moore's other accusers are lying?

[Spurtacular]

So you don't actually have an opinion on whether Moore's other accusers are lying?

Saw a story the other day about the Yearbook quote being forged. But none of that matters now that you cheated your way to a coveted Senate seat. Now, you're here just spiking the football. Doesn't erase the fact that Scum is the name on your jersey.

[Pavlov]

Saw a story the other day about the Yearbook quote being forged. But none of that matters now that you cheated your way to a coveted Senate seat. Now, you're here just spiking the football. Doesn't erase the fact that Scum is the name on your jersey.Cheated? How are you saying Democrats cheated?

[koriwhat]

So you don't actually have an opinion on whether Moore's other accusers are lying?

i am not judge nor jury... i have to keep repeating that or what?

[Pavlov]

i am not judge nor jury... i have to keep repeating that or what?You don't have to be -- you already declared others to be liars without being either. Can't use that as an excuse now.

[Spurtacular]

Cheated? How are you saying Democrats cheated?

:lmao Give me a break.

[Pavlov]

:lmao Give me a break.

Go ahead and explain yourself. Should be easy for you.

[Spurtacular]

Go ahead and explain yourself. Should be easy for you.

:lmao chump wants me to explain 'the way of the world' to him.

[Pavlov]

:lmao chump wants me to explain 'the way of the world' to him.

No, just how you think the Democrats cheated in Alabama.

I'm looking forward to it.

[Spurtacular]

No, just how you think the Democrats cheated in Alabama.

I'm looking forward to it.

So, you think everything was on the up and up?

[Pavlov]

So, you think everything was on the up and up?
I didn't see any cheating. How do you think they cheated?

[Chris]

I didn't see any cheating. How do you think they cheated?

Hiring women to falsely accuse Roy Moore conveniently timed right before the election. Threaten voters that their names will be on record of supporting a sexual offender. Reports of buses shipping in people from out of state/illegals. Destroying the ballots so you can't do a recount. Seems legit to me.

[Pavlov]

Hiring women to falsely accuse Roy Moore conveniently timed right before the election. Threaten voters that their names will be on record of supporting a sexual offender. Reports of buses shipping in people from out of state/illegals. Destroying the ballots so you can't do a recount. Seems legit to me.
The Post didn't hire any of those women. :lol buses. The Republicans are in charge of elections and the records therof.

[Splits]

Hiring women to falsely accuse Roy Moore conveniently timed right before the election. Threaten voters that their names will be on record of supporting a sexual offender. Reports of buses shipping in people from out of state/illegals. Destroying the ballots so you can't do a recount. Seems legit to me.

holy shit

[Pavlov]

"Reports of buses."

:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

http://33.media.tumblr.com/d696445b45e540a22b810bab2dccf4a6/tumblr_ne135elZmC1tf767po1_500.gif

[Pavlov]

https://media.collegetimes.com/uploads/2014/06/overcrowded_bus.jpg

[Chris]

God I hope this backfires on you heathens. :lol We will find out between December 26th and January 3rd.

Moore looking into ‘numerous reported cases of voter fraud’ after Alabama Senate race loss


MONTGOMERY, Ala. — Alabama Republican Roy Moore on Friday told supporters that the “battle is not over” in Alabama’s Senate race even though President Donald Trump and others have called on him to concede.

Moore sent a fundraising email to supporters asking for contributions to his “election integrity fund’ so he could investigate reports of voter fraud.

“I also wanted to let you know that this battle is NOT OVER!” he wrote.

Democrat Doug Jones on Tuesday defeated Moore by about 20,000 votes, or 1.5 percent, according to unofficial returns.

But Moore, who has been accused of sexual misconduct with teenage girls when he was in his 30s, has not yet conceded the heated Alabama race to fill the seat that previously belonged to U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Moore told supporters that the race was “close” and some military and provisional ballots had yet to be counted. Those are expected to be counted next week.

Moore said his campaign is collecting “numerous reported cases of voter fraud” to send to the secretary of state’s office.

Secretary of State John Merrill has said it is unlikely that the last-minute ballots will change the outcome of the election or even trigger a recount.

Merrill said his office has investigated reports of voting irregularities, but “we have not discovered any that have been proven factual in nature.”

Trump, who had endorsed Moore, called Jones to congratulate him on his win. Trump on Friday said that he believed Moore should concede the race.

The results of Alabama’s Senate race will be certified between Dec. 26 and Jan. 3 after counties report their official totals.

http://kdvr.com/2017/12/16/moore-looking-into-numerous-reported-cases-of-voter-fraud-after-alabama-senate-race-loss/

[djohn2oo8]

https://media.collegetimes.com/uploads/2014/06/overcrowded_bus.jpg
:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Chris loves da kids

[Pavlov]

God I hope this backfires on you heathens. :lol We will find out between December 26th and January 3rd.

Moore looking into ‘numerous reported cases of voter fraud’ after Alabama Senate race lossThere is a tiny chance the uncounted votes could trigger a recount, but lol "reports."

[djohn2oo8]

There is a tiny chance the uncounted votes could trigger a recount, but lol "reports."
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[Pavlov]

Secret footage taken at the Mississippi border.

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