'18 mvp bron or harden?

[RsxPiimp]

it would be a damn shame if harden takes home that mvp award. this is possibly LeBron's last mvp caliber season, dude has been balling like a m'fer. unreal stats, athleticism is still elite and along the way the cavs are surprisingly still the second best team in the league. :wow



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IysVdqeCjuQ

[daslicer]

He should get the MVP. Hopefully he gets it over Harden. I just can't respect Harden's flopping and bs freethrows he gets every game.

[Spurtacular]

Thought about posting this same topic the other day. I figure it'll come into focus soon enough. Doubt the media is gonna snub Harden to give Lebron another trophy, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

LeGOAT deserves it, but Media will give it to Frauden in order to help push Silver's agenda of turning basketball into povertyball.

[djohn2oo8]

it would be a damn shame if harden takes home that mvp award. this is possibly LeBron's last mvp caliber season, dude has been balling like a m'fer. unreal stats, athleticism is still elite and along the way the cavs are surprisingly still the second best team in the league. :wow



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IysVdqeCjuQ

Would it be a shame? 31/9/5 on 39% three point shooting. No it wouldn't be a shame.

[Bill_Brasky]

Easily Bron

[UZER]

He should get the MVP. Hopefully he gets it over Harden. I just can't respect Harden's flopping and bs freethrows he gets every game.

Manu played for the Spurs. To this day he still has the reputation as a flopper.

Vladi Divac played for the Laker and is probably the man responsible for bringing flopping to the NBA game. He was very "crafty". It wasn't until the joined the Kings, and was playing against the LAKERS, that the media and everyone started calling him a flopper.

Harden plays for the Rockets. He has taken flopping to an ungodly level. his entire game is based on his flopping style. Not only does it not get talked about, he is praised for it!

Bottom line, it all depends on what jersey you're wearing, and whether or not you are a media darling.

Harden is a darling right now.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I haven’t checked their respective advance statistics, but is it safe to say Harden is slightly better than Lebron in those categories?

[Bynumite]

LeCoon is stat padding. It's Harden.

[Jodelo]

Would it be a shame? 31/9/5 on 39% three point shooting. No it wouldn't be a shame.

Why not highlight his 45% from the field? :lol

[Killakobe81]

Would it be a shame? 31/9/5 on 39% three point shooting. No it wouldn't be a shame.

Im with djohn ...LeBron is the best player still and you could argue, if everyone is healthy maybe Harden is 4th at best. but traditionally this award is not about who the best player is ...
Since the 90s its mostly gone to a guy with a career year with a media narrative ...on a top 3 team in the league. Both have all those working but i would vote for Lebron ...he is having a more efficient triple double type season ...and leading in mins. he is stat whoring a bit but so is Harden as did Russ last year ...
personally I think its dumb for either to chase it ...both have a legit shot at a LOB especially if State stays snakebitten by injury.

I hate the way he gets calls but Harden been a top 5 player who has led the league in assits and is one of the best scorers. Spurs fan wanted Leonard to win with a less impressive offensive resume ...i get KL plays defense but lets say when Gino was a flopper ..if he put up the exact same numbers as Harden, this forum would have bitched endlessly if Manu didnt win.

Harden has a strong case ...but it should be LeBron. We will see ...
btw even if healthy Leonard wasnt winning award this year and unless Durant gets hurt again ...he probably aint making 1st team All NBA which i called last year and nuccas got so butthurt ...
KL is the 3rd best SF ...cuz 1-2 are monsters too. He is,the better two way player but with Durant and especially Lebron putting up the numbers they are, on better teams, they taking both forward spots and would have last year too.

[Killakobe81]

Manu played for the Spurs. To this day he still has the reputation as a flopper.

Vladi Divac played for the Laker and is probably the man responsible for bringing flopping to the NBA game. He was very "crafty". It wasn't until the joined the Kings, and was playing against the LAKERS, that the media and everyone started calling him a flopper.

Harden plays for the Rockets. He has taken flopping to an ungodly level. his entire game is based on his flopping style. Not only does it not get talked about, he is praised for it!

Bottom line, it all depends on what jersey you're wearing, and whether or not you are a media darling.

Harden is a darling right now.

bullshit people called vlade a flopper on the Lakers ...same with Fisher. Manu was also called crafty, so take off the homer glasses.
I do agree media narrative is a strong aspect of this bullshit award but i think both guys will have one ...
Harden incorporating Paul while still putting up big numbers when Paul was hurt and now he is back...
James carrying a injury depleted Cavs .. with a career type year in his 15th season

[daslicer]

Manu played for the Spurs. To this day he still has the reputation as a flopper.

Vladi Divac played for the Laker and is probably the man responsible for bringing flopping to the NBA game. He was very "crafty". It wasn't until the joined the Kings, and was playing against the LAKERS, that the media and everyone started calling him a flopper.

Harden plays for the Rockets. He has taken flopping to an ungodly level. his entire game is based on his flopping style. Not only does it not get talked about, he is praised for it!

Bottom line, it all depends on what jersey you're wearing, and whether or not you are a media darling.

Harden is a darling right now.

I agree when you play for a team that is considered a media darling your allowed to get away with stuff on both ends of the court. The refs give you favorable treatment.

[Pelicans78]

Harden right now.

[djohn2oo8]

Why not highlight his 45% from the field? :lol

Well seeing how 45% shooting for a Shooting Guard is actually about the average, and Westbrook won MVP shooting 42%....

https://i1.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dave-Chappelle-Pushes-Girl-Out-of-the-Way-In-Club.gif?ssl=1

[Will Hunting]

LeCoon is stat padding. It's Harden.
:lol Harden is playing in a Dantoni offense which is notorious for regular season stat padding

[Killakobe81]

Well seeing how 45% shooting for a Shooting Guard is actually about the average, and Westbrook won MVP shooting 42%....

https://i1.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dave-Chappelle-Pushes-Girl-Out-of-the-Way-In-Club.gif?ssl=1

westbrook is a non traditional PG but i see your point ...

[djohn2oo8]

:lol Harden is playing in a Dantoni offense which is notorious for regular season stat padding

Remind me how D'antoni's offense looked in La and Ny? Oh okay.

[140]

Harden is a gimmick player playing in a gimmick offense (which will flameout in the playoffs as per par), therefore he's the perfect mvp for :lol today's NBA tbh

[Will Hunting]

Remind me how D'antoni's offense looked in La and Ny? Oh okay.
Dantonis offense made Jeremy Rin look like an all star in NY :lol

[Will Hunting]

Harden is a gimmick player playing in a gimmick offense (which will flameout in the playoffs as per par), therefore he's the perfect mvp for :lol today's NBA tbh
:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Dantonis offense made Jeremy Rin look like an all star in NY :lol

For about 2 weeks? How did it make Melo look?

[resistanze]

:lol Harden is playing in a Dantoni offense which is notorious for regular season stat padding

:lmao Exactly

Although sucks for Bin Harden that the same gimmick offense that gave Nash MVPs may not give Harden any since he's not a lovable white Canadian, and his game is ugly and aesthetically unappealing as shit.

[Will Hunting]

For about 2 weeks? How did it make Melo look?
Are you seriously trying to argue Dantonis offense doesn’t inflate regular stats :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Are you seriously trying to argue Dantonis offense doesn’t inflate regular stats :lol

Im asking which stats do you consider of Harden's inflated under D'antoni? Without Pringles, He was already at 29 and 7 per game.

[djohn2oo8]

Harden gets plenty of Free throws not sure how that has to do with D'antoni.

[140]

Harden gets plenty of Free throws not sure how that has to do with D'antoni.
No you're right that only has to do with his shameless flopping tbh

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Harden is playing in a Dantoni offense which is notorious for regular season stat padding

Plus, Frauden has the refs padding his stats for him too with tons of undeserved free throws.

[djohn2oo8]

Plus, Frauden has the refs padding his stats for him too with tons of undeserved free throws.

He doesn't blow the whistle.

[djohn2oo8]

No you're right that only has to do with his shameless flopping tbh

So why don't they not blow the whistle?

[Clipper Nation]

He doesn't blow the whistle.
He still flops and manufactures contact instead of manning up and playing the right way.

[djohn2oo8]

He still flops and manufactures contact instead of manning up and playing the right way.

So send an email to the league about it.

[Clipper Nation]

So send an email to the league about it.

Or maybe Frauden should stop playing such a bitchmade style of basketball. Plenty of players have succeeded throughout the history of the NBA without resorting to his level of shameless flopping.

[djohn2oo8]

Or maybe Frauden should stop playing such a bitchmade style of basketball. Plenty of players have succeeded throughout the history of the NBA without resorting to his level of shameless flopping.

You're the one bitching about it and doing nothing about it. If it bothers you so much then voice your concerns to the league.

[UZER]

bullshit people called vlade a flopper on the Lakers ...sane with Fisher. Manu was also called crafty, so take off the homer. glasses.
I do agree media narrative is a strong aspect of this bullshit award but i think both guys will have one ...
Harden incorporating Paul while still putting up numbers bitg whenbhe was hurt and now he is back...
Janes carrying a injury depleted Cavs .. with a career type year in his 15th season

The hate for vlads flopping grew exponentially when he joined the Kings and was going head to head against the Kobe Shaq Lakers. Fans always hated it. But when going against the Lakers, the media jumped on board.

[Killakobe81]

So why don't they not blow the whistle?

The flopping is just like Manu ...it just detracts away from some great skill ...cuz like Manu he doesnt need it to get calls.But thats on ref not Harden.
Harden has handles, his hesitaion and step back moves are crazy good. yes he is frustrating to watch but his, fellow players recognize how good he is.And he is just taking advantage of current rules.

[Chris Fall]

If the rules and officiating allows for a player to take advantage, then more power to him. Until the rules or officiating changes, exploit that shit. Pop was a genius for hack a Shaq strategy even though that's not "playing the right way" because it exploited a faulty rulebook. Oh but consensus opinion on these boards was to criticize Shaq and DeAndre and Dwight and say learn how to shoot free throws.

Reggie Miller with the leg kick on jumpers to get a shooting foul, Durant with the swim move into a jumper when defenders had their arms out. Cry, whine, sob. "Nat's not pwaying na wight way." Fuck that. Exploit that shit. Why the hell would any player, including Harden, not exploit the rules and officiating if it's to their advantage to do so?

Fans just bitching because it isn't "playing the right way" or isn't "pretty basketball." Wtf?! Bitching about flopping. Bitching about too many three pointers. Bitching about officiating. Bitching about rules. Go tell LeBron to stop traveling because that's not playing the right way. Go bitch about about Blake lowering his shoulder to clear his defender and go up for a dunk when he's under the rim even though that should be a charge and it's never called.

Nothing to see here. Bitches be bitching.

[Killakobe81]

If the rules and officiating allows for a player to take advantage, then more power to him. Until the rules or officiating changes, exploit that shit. Pop was a genius for hack a Shaq strategy even though that's not "playing the right way" because it exploited a faulty rulebook. Oh but consensus opinion on these boards was to criticize Shaq and DeAndre and Dwight and say learn how to shoot free throws.

Reggie Miller with the leg kick on jumpers to get a shooting foul, Durant with the swim move into a jumper when defenders had their arms out. Cry, whine, sob. "Nat's not pwaying na wight way." Fuck that. Exploit that shit. Why the hell would any player, including Harden, not exploit the rules and officiating if it's to their advantage to do so?

Fans just bitching because it isn't "playing the right way" or isn't "pretty basketball." Wtf?! Bitching about flopping. Bitching about too many three pointers. Bitching about officiating. Bitching about rules. Go tell LeBron to stop traveling because that's not playing the right way. Go bitch about about Blake lowering his shoulder to clear his defender and go up for a dunk when he's under the rim even though that should be a charge and it's never called.

Nothing to see here. Bitches be bitching.

agreed.

[daslicer]

If the rules and officiating allows for a player to take advantage, then more power to him. Until the rules or officiating changes, exploit that shit. Pop was a genius for hack a Shaq strategy even though that's not "playing the right way" because it exploited a faulty rulebook. Oh but consensus opinion on these boards was to criticize Shaq and DeAndre and Dwight and say learn how to shoot free throws.

Reggie Miller with the leg kick on jumpers to get a shooting foul, Durant with the swim move into a jumper when defenders had their arms out. Cry, whine, sob. "Nat's not pwaying na wight way." Fuck that. Exploit that shit. Why the hell would any player, including Harden, not exploit the rules and officiating if it's to their advantage to do so?

Fans just bitching because it isn't "playing the right way" or isn't "pretty basketball." Wtf?! Bitching about flopping. Bitching about too many three pointers. Bitching about officiating. Bitching about rules. Go tell LeBron to stop traveling because that's not playing the right way. Go bitch about about Blake lowering his shoulder to clear his defender and go up for a dunk when he's under the rim even though that should be a charge and it's never called.

Nothing to see here. Bitches be bitching.

I would say that's an accurate description of you.

[Chris Fall]

Lol from a guy who bitch cries someone on the internet is being mean to him...


Also there's no reason to be a fucking asshole if someone has a different view then yours.

[Arcadian]

Kawhi for 2019 (and should have won 2017, obviously)

[DAF86]

For about 2 weeks? How did it make Melo look?

D'antoni's offense is especially good at inflating the numbers of pick and roll ball handlers (Nash, Harden, Lin) and pick and roll screeners (Stoudamire, Capela). Melo doesn't fit any of these molds.

Relax, if Houston finishes 1st in the West then Harden is getting it without a doubt; but there's still no need to deny that playing for D'antoni inflates the stats of individual players, just as playing for Popovich deflates them. Harden on the Spurs would probably be averaging 24 ppg with 7 apg on 30 mpg.

[dfens]

sons whoever says frauden should just quit watching basketball tbh.

[sook]

D'antoni's offense is especially good at inflating the numbers of pick and roll ball handlers (Nash, Harden, Lin) and pick and roll screeners (Stoudamire, Capela). Melo doesn't fit any of these molds.

Relax, if Houston finishes 1st in the West then Harden is getting it without a doubt; but there's still no need to deny that playing for D'antoni inflates the stats of individual players, just as playing for Popovich deflates them. Harden on the Spurs would probably be averaging 24 ppg with 7 apg on 30 mpg.
Hardens stats in 2015 we’re still otherworldly before D’Antoni. That was also the year they went to the WCF

[DAF86]

Hardens stats in 2015 we’re still otherworldly before D’Antoni. That was also the year they went to the WCF

Yeah, but they got better once D'antoni got there or not? Nobody is saying Harden isn't great, probably a top 5 player on the World. I'm just saying that when D'antoni is successfil implementing his system the stats of players get inflated.

[dfens]

Hardens stats in 2015 we’re still otherworldly before D’Antoni. That was also the year they went to the WCF

son if this nigga is reffed normally he isn't doing shit. Just step back 3s and jumping into players for FTs while not being able to defend a chair. For fucks sake this isn't basketball, and not playoff winning basketball, he is always choking in the playoffs.
His game is ugly from a team efficiency, aesthetically and morally pov .. disgusting tbh.

[dfens]

Yeah, but they got better once D'antoni got there or not? Nobody is saying Harden isn't great, probably a top 5 player on the World. I'm just saying that when D'antoni is successfil implementing his system the stats of players get inflated.

son these niggas don't even watch games any more, they're just checking box scores smh.

[Killakobe81]

Kawhi for 2019 (and should have won 2017, obviously)

probably not ...but his time may be coming ...soon.

[TDMVPDPOY]

seems like lecuck pr machine is doing its work already with the narrative

they say hardens stats are inflated, yeh but look at team record then..u cant deny it that his stats back it up with the team record which is what? best or 2nd best record atm?

he runner up twice, u wont get it the first time cause they think its a fluke season, he backed it up 2nd season but ppl still wont give it to him cause of some other player with fluke year, then 3rd year in a row his still putting up big numbers...he is in the peak of his career yet ppl keep on saying shit about it, mvp is a rs award anyway who cares what happens in the playoffs, let alone what his inefficiency game whether its no defense and shit...

[Arcadian]

probably not ...but his time may be coming ...soon.

Probably not what? If you think he can't be MVP next season, yet "his time is coming soon," you just contradicted yourself.

[ambchang]

MVParker just carried Kiwi to a win.

[TDMVPDPOY]

son if this nigga is reffed normally he isn't doing shit. Just step back 3s and jumping into players for FTs while not being able to defend a chair. For fucks sake this isn't basketball, and not playoff winning basketball, he is always choking in the playoffs.
His game is ugly from a team efficiency, aesthetically and morally pov .. disgusting tbh.

steve nash and curry play no lick of fuckn defense, and they both won b2b mvp
why should the criteria change for harden?

[TDMVPDPOY]

probably not ...but his time may be coming ...soon.

he win it in a clipper jersey....and the sperms will be thinkn why they let him go for nothing after pissing the last 3years surrounding him with shit

[LkrFan]

Bin Harden. Should have won it last year too.

[dfens]

steve nash and curry play no lick of fuckn defense, and they both won b2b mvp
why should the criteria change for harden?

because they shouldn't have won tbh ... but lol merica,"everybody gets trophies" mentality -> "we got a narrative for each player" marketing for this mentality -> "20 players top 5" per marketing .. what a nation of emasculated sissies tbh, these niggas can't man the fuck up and accept reality, always needing a story, just a bunch of brainwashed pussies.

[Killakobe81]

Probably not what? If you think he can't be MVP next season, yet "his time is coming soon," you just contradicted yourself.

No not next year but maybe soon (next 3 years)

[RsxPiimp]

kuzma shitting on harden 16 pts 6/6 fg 4/4 3fg with 2 mins left in the first quarter :lmao

[RsxPiimp]

cp3 leaves the game, rockets lost by double digits to the lakers. yeah, harden isn't winning this mvp.

[dfens]

foodstamp mvp tbh, lol 11 free throws in the 4th, all by initiating contact with niggas getting screened into him. today's nba :lmao real talk this faggot would lose half his teeth playing like this 25 year ago and also nobody would rate this loser .. smh.. chucking 3s and jumping into people .. this is what it's come to :lol

[RsxPiimp]

foodstamp mvp tbh, lol 11 free throws in the 4th, all by initiating contact with niggas getting screened into him. today's nba :lmao real talk this faggot would lose half his teeth playing like this 25 year ago and also nobody would rate this loser .. smh.. chucking 3s and jumping into people .. this is what it's come to :lol

troofbombs

[dfens]

troofbombs

son I went from seeing the late 80s and early 90s playoff series to getting this .. that's like going from a stunning young wife to paying $5 for a blowjob from a toothless 60 year old crack smoking hooker .. of course I'm bitter tbh, the NBA destroyed the game imo with the today's selective rules :depressed

[RsxPiimp]

son I went from seeing the late 80s and early 90s playoff series to getting this .. that's like going from a stunning young wife to paying $5 for a blowjob from a toothless 60 year old crack smoking hooker .. of course I'm bitter tbh, the NBA destroyed the game imo with the today's selective rules :depressed

:lol....

agree btw

[DAF86]

The flopping is just like Manu...it just detracts away from some great skill ...cuz like Manu he doesnt need it to get calls.But thats on ref not Harden.
Harden has handles, his hesitaion and step back moves are crazy good. yes he is frustrating to watch but his, fellow players recognize how good he is.And he is just taking advantage of current rules.

That's not true. Manu sells contact that exists, specially on charges. Harden comes up with a bunch of different tactics to get cheap fouls, like grabbing the defender's arm and make it seem like he is the one getting fouled.

[Double-Up]

That's not true. Manu sells contact that exists, specially on charges. Harden comes up with a bunch of different tactics to get cheap fouls, like grabbing the defender's arm and make it seem like he is the one getting fouled.

No he's right, Harden learned from the best and you also over exaggerate his flopping. All he does is catches the defender with his hands in the cookie jar and immediately moves through them in shooting motion to sell it. Manu on the other hand...well he flopped...a lot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEef1T_lqwA

[Double-Up]

troofbombs

Laker fan...:lol

[DAF86]

No he's right, Harden learned from the best and you also over exaggerate his flopping. All he does is catches the defender with his hands in the cookie jar and immediately moves through them in shooting motion to sell it. Manu on the other hand...well he flopped...a lot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEef1T_lqwA

Thanks for putting a video to exeplify what I was saying about Manu selling contact that exists.

Here's an example of what I say about Harden pulling cheap tricks:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn0wu3plMXw

When have you ever seen Manu pull that shit?

[spurraider21]

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/double-flop-1.gif?w=1000

[Clipper Nation]

MVPs don't get humiliated by Lonzo Bust and Austin Rivers. They just don't. If LeGOAT doesn't win, it's a travesty.

[RsxPiimp]

Laker fan...:lol

how can y’all allow 2 lottery teams shit on yo mouth b2b :lmao

[Double-Up]

MVPs don't get humiliated by Lonzo Bust and Austin Rivers. They just don't. If LeGOAT doesn't win, it's a travesty.

Harden will win it as long as we keep winning.

[Double-Up]

how can y’all allow 2 lottery teams shit on yo mouth b2b :lmao

LOL, our top 3 defenders are injured you wetback bastard. :lol

[Killakobe81]

I wont lie the,game against the Lakers was frustrating as fuck with at least 7-8 bullshit Fts but ...
still maintain thats on the refs.
same as Lebron travels or State's illegal screens.
if they dont call it smart to use it, if winning is ultimate goal.

As for Rox these latest injuries or a byproduct of running up scores leaving in starters like in the blowout at Staples ...
Dantoni is a offensive genius but plays his starters to much...Spurs rox in playoffs should be fun though...
Btw ... lol state moving back in to 1st with no steph, draymond or livingston for huge stretches ...

[Leetonidas]

LeBron imo. He has been playing short handed relying on scrubs like Calderon and the corpse of wade and still has the Cavs calling after their slow start. They have no defensive presence in the middle and they lost their star PG and Thomas hasnt even played yet. Harden is close but to me it's def LeBron at this point. Probably knows he has no chance against GSW so he is gona start playing for the MVP to bolster his resume tbh

[Killakobe81]

LeBron imo. He has been playing short handed relying on scrubs like Calderon and the corpse of wade and still has the Cavs calling after their slow start. They have no defensive presence in the middle and they lost their star PG and Thomas hasnt even played yet. Harden is close but to me it's def LeBron at this point. Probably knows he has no chance against GSW so he is gona start playing for the MVP to bolster his resume tbh

I agree but Harden has a case ...
if i was voting as media member it would be LeBrin and Durant is actially entering the convo tbh ...
as a fan and an asshole i hope Harden wins.
1. So it further devalues an award that has become a joke...
2. The butthurt it causes lebron stans and some analytic nerds (some argue Bron others Beard)
3. the butthurt it causes The Leonard is the best 2way player congregational ...i actually like Kiwi but niccas get so mad when i speak truth that he maybe the 3rd best SF ...so how he ginna win MVP?

[RsxPiimp]

I agree but Harden has a case ...
if i was voting as media member it would be LeBrin and Durant is actially entering the convo tbh ...
as a fan and an asshole i hope Harden wins.
1. So it further devalues an award that has become a joke...
2. The butthurt it causes lebron stans and some analytic nerds (some argue Bron others Beard)
3. the butthurt it causes The Leonard is the best 2way player congregational ...i actually like Kiwi but niccas get so mad when i speak truth that he maybe the 3rd best SF ...so how he ginna win MVP?

its a 2 way race right now imo. lebron and durant. unlike harden, durant has been flying under the radar this year, especially defensively. harden is a one trick phony.

[daslicer]

I agree but Harden has a case ...
if i was voting as media member it would be LeBrin and Durant is actially entering the convo tbh ...
as a fan and an asshole i hope Harden wins.
1. So it further devalues an award that has become a joke...
2. The butthurt it causes lebron stans and some analytic nerds (some argue Bron others Beard)
3. the butthurt it causes The Leonard is the best 2way player congregational ...i actually like Kiwi but niccas get so mad when i speak truth that he maybe the 3rd best SF ...so how he ginna win MVP?

Doubt it's going to cause any butthurt if he wins the MVP this year over Kawhi since Kawhi was pretty much out of the MVP race at the start of the year . Last year I felt Kawhi deserved it over Russ and Harden but the MVP race these days is more like a presidential campaign in the sense the more media hype you have the more likely you are to win. Anyways if Kawhi never wins the MVP it won't bother me since I already got to see Robinson/Duncan win the award 3 times in my lifetime. I think it offends the spur fans who are under the age of 30 moreso than the ones above 30 of Kawhi not getting the MVP. You also need to work harder on your troll game.

[Killakobe81]

Doubt it's going to cause any butthurt if he wins the MVP this year over Kawhi since Kawhi was pretty much out of the MVP race at the start of the year . Last year I felt Kawhi deserved it over Russ and Harden but the MVP race these days is more like a presidential campaign in the sense the more media hype you have the more likely you are to win. Anyways if Kawhi never wins the MVP it won't bother me since I already got to see Robinson/Duncan win the award 3 times in my lifetime. I think it offends the spur fans who are under the age of 30 moreso than the ones above 30 of Kawhi not getting the MVP. You also need to work harder on your troll game.

im not trolling.
I said the same last year cuz I believe it.
But just like Durant dis last year Leonard getting hurt disproved my chance to prove my theory ...
point being if all 3 are healthy its close but ...
1. Lebron
2. Durant
3 . Kiwi

that is no slight to anyone.
Kiwi is the best on both ends.
Durant the best scorer
Lebrin the best passer and all around player ...
no shame or trolling to say he is third best in that crew...

[Killakobe81]

oh and slicer you underestimate the petty nature of some of your fanbase

[baseline bum]

Harden is a gimmick player playing in a gimmick offense (which will flameout in the playoffs as per par), therefore he's the perfect mvp for :lol today's NBA tbh

:rollin

[baseline bum]

Harden was my vote last year and then nigga went and bent over for Softridge in an elimination game in his own building. Sorry, not falling for that shit again. LeBron's the MVP by a mile.

[Killakobe81]

Harden was my vote last year and then nigga went and bent over for Softridge in an elimination game in his own building. Sorry, not falling for that shit again. LeBron's the MVP by a mile.

that has nothing to do with a regular season award ..
just like hakeem shaking the shit out of Robison or Kobe dunking on Nash means nada...
i agree though should be Bron but harden #'s wise making a strong case ...

[baseline bum]

that has nothing to do with a regular season award ..
just like hakeem shaking the shit out of Robison or Kobe dunking on Nash means nada...
i agree though should be Bron but harden #'s wise making a strong case ...

Robinson and Nash didn't deserve their MVPs either. Though neither of them shit the bed anything like Harden's Game 6 last year. He goes into Karl Malone territory with that one.

[Clipper Nation]

Durbeta isn't even the MVP of his own team :lol

Lakerfan is not even being subtle in trying to normalize how badly their new favorite team stacked the deck.

[daslicer]

oh and slicer you underestimate the petty nature of some of your fanbase

Actually I don't. Believe it or not prior to the '16-'17 season I was one of Kawhi's biggest critics in here. I didn't believe he was a superstar and had a ton of arguments about in here in the summer of 2016. My view of him back then was that he was an all-star player but he wasn't a top 5 player in this league. I remember a lot of Kawhitards which is what I call them came after me. During the '16-17 season he proved me wrong and became a top 5 players. I felt last year he was better than Durant but prior to last year Durant was better than him. Right now Durant is better than Kawhi since Kawhi is not in game shape but we'll see come April and May whose better. Also trust me I know there a lot of fans on ST that would rather see Kawhi win the MVP versus the Spurs win games.

[ambchang]

im not trolling.
I said the same last year cuz I believe it.
But just like Durant dis last year Leonard getting hurt disproved my chance to prove my theory ...
point being if all 3 are healthy its close but ...
1. Lebron
2. Durant
3 . Kiwi

that is no slight to anyone.
Kiwi is the best on both ends.
Durant the best scorer
Lebrin the best passer and all around player ...
no shame or trolling to say he is third best in that crew...

I agree that as players, Lebron and Durant > Kawhi. But given the strength of the teams, I can argue both Lebron and Kawhi are more valuable than Durant. GSW without Durant would still be the favourite to win it all. Cavs without Lebron is a 4th to 6th seed out East (massive drop), Spurs without Kawhi is a 4th to 7th seed in the West.

The Spurs are pretty odd this year, playing very well without Kawhi but poorly (on offense) with him. I think there is way too much standing around waiting Kawhi to his thing on offense with Kawhi in those four games. the Spurs are still ironing out the kinks but with Kawhi, they can legitimately be a 2nd best team in the West (nobody's touching GSW until Green self-destructs)

Like most said, MVP should go to Lebron every year, he's that much better than the competition.

[Killakobe81]

Durbeta isn't even the MVP of his own team :lol

Lakerfan is not even being subtle in trying to normalize how badly their new favorite team stacked the deck.

that shit dont matter even if true media,narrative will be that he carried State to a 11 game winning streak leading team in scoring assists and blocks down Curry and Draymond ...stop acting like you dont know how this shit works. Blake got his highest MVP finish for the same reason ...

[Spurtacular]

GSW without Durant would still be the favourite to win it all.

Cleveland probably would be, tbh. GSW w/o Durant peaked; and even then, they still lost to Cleveland in the finals. The one they won w/o Durant, Irving and then Love was injured (not to mention the rash of injuries / circumstances in the western playoffs).

[ambchang]

Cleveland probably would be, tbh. GSW w/o Durant peaked; and even then, they still lost to Cleveland in the finals. The one they won w/o Durant, Irving and then Love was injured (not to mention the rash of injuries / circumstances in the western playoffs).

Not so sure about that. The gsw were built for the regular season, but that series against Cleveland was a fluke.

[Spurtacular]

Not so sure about that. The gsw were built for the regular season, but that series against Cleveland was a fluke.

It was. But it showed just how not dominant GSW is all the same. To go 73-9 and then lose when up 3-1? This has never been a team with much fortitude. And most believe they had the most fortunate of circumstances the year they won it. Jump shooting teams were never meant to be overly dominant.

[Bynumite]

LeCoon been stat padding triple-doubles against eastern trash. As expected, Warriors exposed his fraudulent case for MVP.

20 points on 7-18, 6 assists, 7 turnovers :lmao

[Raven]

No he's right, Harden learned from the best and you also over exaggerate his flopping. All he does is catches the defender with his hands in the cookie jar and immediately moves through them in shooting motion to sell it. Manu on the other hand...well he flopped...a lot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEef1T_lqwA

clear foul and 0% flop

[ambchang]

It was. But it showed just how not dominant GSW is all the same. To go 73-9 and then lose when up 3-1? This has never been a team with much fortitude. And most believe they had the most fortunate of circumstances the year they won it. Jump shooting teams were never meant to be overly dominant.

I agree with that. But they’d still be the favourite to win it all without Durant.

[Spurtacular]

I agree with that. But they’d still be the favourite to win it all without Durant.

Cleveland would. They come from the less competitive conference and would match-up well with the Durant-less Warriors.

[ambchang]

Cleveland would. They come from the less competitive conference and would match-up well with the Durant-less Warriors.

Even though you just admitted 16 was a fluke?

Cleveland doesn’t match up well at all it’s just that lebron went supernova.

[dfens]

LeCoon been stat padding triple-doubles against eastern trash. As expected, Warriors exposed his fraudulent case for MVP.

20 points on 7-18, 6 assists, 7 turnovers :lmao

son why do you hate lebrick that much? everybody has weaknesses, at least he is going hard to the hoop following mike and kobe's tradition tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Even though you just admitted 16 was a fluke?

Cleveland doesn’t match up well at all it’s just that lebron went supernova.

What does GS winning on a fluke have to do with it to make your case that they'd be a favorite?

And Cleveland doesn't have to be a favorite in the match-up to be the favorite to win it all. That's not how Vegas does their odds if we're talking about pre-playoffs odds.

[ambchang]

What does GS winning on a fluke have to do with it to make your case that they'd be a favorite?

And Cleveland doesn't have to be a favorite in the match-up to be the favorite to win it all. That's not how Vegas does their odds if we're talking about pre-playoffs odds.
I meant Cleveland won on a fluke.

Vegas Would have gs as favourites easily. No team would not be favourites after having the best record in league history without being favourites the next unless something catastrophic happens.

[Spurtacular]

I meant Cleveland won on a fluke.

Vegas Would have gs as favourites easily. No team would not be favourites after having the best record in league history without being favourites the next unless something catastrophic happens.

That was two seasons ago. We're talking about a Durant-less Warriors today. Cavs would be favorites by the odds.

But if we're talking last season, Cavs would have been favorites then too. And they would have beat Durant-less Warriors too, tbh, imo. Again, Warriors do not have the mental fortitude. They just have a bigger arsenal. As it is, the Cavs should've had that last series against the Durant Warriors tied at two.

Last season, Vegas would have saw that Cavs had a paved road to the Finals, the Spurs were formidable, and the Cavs were in the Durant-less Warriors heads. Easy call that the Cavs would have been the favorites, tbh.

[ambchang]

That was two seasons ago. We're talking about a Durant-less Warriors today. Cavs would be favorites by the odds.

But if we're talking last season, Cavs would have been favorites then too. And they would have beat Durant-less Warriors too, tbh, imo. Again, Warriors do not have the mental fortitude. They just have a bigger arsenal. As it is, the Cavs should've had that last series against the Durant Warriors tied at two.

Last season, Vegas would have saw that Cavs had a paved road to the Finals, the Spurs were formidable, and the Cavs were in the Durant-less Warriors heads. Easy call that the Cavs would have been the favorites, tbh.

Not following your logic. Warriors had the better odds in 16. The cavs got worse this year and even without Durant warriors are pretty even with 16 other than a few minor pieces. Not sure how cavs can have better odds.

[Spurtacular]

Not following your logic. Warriors had the better odds in 16. The cavs got worse this year and even without Durant warriors are pretty even with 16 other than a few minor pieces. Not sure how cavs can have better odds.

Teams figured the Warriors out. Durant just gives them too much arsenal. Even with Durant, Spurs were on track to eliminate them pre-Kawhi injury. Then, the Rockets are better; whereas, the Cavs have an easier path. Only C's present a real challenge (when they had Hayward). Then, the Cavs beat the Durant-less Warriors even in the season they beat 73 games. Would you really want to put your money on a team that might not make the finals and otherwise might lose again to the same team as opposed to a team with Lebron that is all but guaranteed to be in the finals? Vegas ain't dummies, dude.

[Spurtacular]

No he's right, Harden learned from the best and you also over exaggerate his flopping. All he does is catches the defender with his hands in the cookie jar and immediately moves through them in shooting motion to sell it. Manu on the other hand...well he flopped...a lot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEef1T_lqwA

Was Bonzi the original Kobe stopper? Seems like it was someone on Portland.

[DAF86]

Was Bonzi the original Kobe stopper? Seems like it was someone on Portland.

I think I recall some scrub called Patterson. I remember he was the prototypical 90's/early 00's SF "enforcer", that couldn't do shit except act tough and foul people.

[Chris Fall]

Ruben Patterson. His game was two parts Desmond Mason, one part Tony Allen with a similar on court personality as Stephen Jackson. And iirc, he anointed himself as the Kobe stopper. Not sure if anyone actually agreed with him. But he was athletic, strong, tough, talked shit and didn't back down. His actual basketball talent was pretty awful other than playing tough d and being pretty athletic.

[Killakobe81]

Not following your logic. Warriors had the better odds in 16. The cavs got worse this year and even without Durant warriors are pretty even with 16 other than a few minor pieces. Not sure how cavs can have better odds.

im with Amb ...it took a suspension and multiple injuries along with iconic performances from Lebron and Kyrie in games5-7 for Cavs to win in 7 games on a last second shot... pre-Durant. not sure how the odds dont favor them if team stays healthy even if Durant doesnt come. especially coming off the best record in nba history ...not saying they win withour KD, but they stilll are slight favorites in Vegas even factoring Cavs easier path.

[Double-Up]

clear foul and 0% flop

Clear flop and 0 IQ...

[Double-Up]

Was Bonzi the original Kobe stopper? Seems like it was someone on Portland.

Yea it wasn't him, though he did destroy the Spurs in a playoff series when he was with the Kings. The guy knew what to do in a contract year.

[spurraider21]

Was Bonzi the original Kobe stopper? Seems like it was someone on Portland.
ruben patterson

but then kobe took a shit on his soul :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79y_YCkHhso

[Spurtacular]

Yea it wasn't him, though he did destroy the Spurs in a playoff series when he was with the Kings. The guy knew what to do in a contract year.

I knew it wasn't; I just couldn't remember Patterson off the top of my head.

[Spurtacular]

ruben patterson

but then kobe took a shit on his soul :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79y_YCkHhso

In today's game, Harden would have hit the bottom of the backboard and then been at the line for three shots.

[DAF86]

Yea it wasn't him, though he did destroy the Spurs in a playoff series when he was with the Kings. The guy knew what to do in a contract year.

You can't really destroy a team if you don't beat it, tbh.

[Killakobe81]

Still Bron-bron ...but he needs to stop whoring hinself for triple doubles and get back to being a scoring and chase down block beast, LeBron...

[ambchang]

Teams figured the Warriors out. Durant just gives them too much arsenal. Even with Durant, Spurs were on track to eliminate them pre-Kawhi injury. Then, the Rockets are better; whereas, the Cavs have an easier path. Only C's present a real challenge (when they had Hayward). Then, the Cavs beat the Durant-less Warriors even in the season they beat 73 games. Would you really want to put your money on a team that might not make the finals and otherwise might lose again to the same team as opposed to a team with Lebron that is all but guaranteed to be in the finals? Vegas ain't dummies, dude.

Too bad we are talking about odds of winning the title and not making it to the finals though.

And :lol spurs beating the warriors. Not to mention the Spurs were swept. Not to mention the warriors went through the playoffs 16-1.

The warriors even without the servant were clear favourites. That’s what Vegas said immediately after the finals. Before the servant tagged on.

[ambchang]

Was Bonzi the original Kobe stopper? Seems like it was someone on Portland.

The original Kobe stopper was anyone. He couldn’t even start.

[RsxPiimp]

The original Kobe stopper was anyone. He couldn’t even start.

anyone not from san antonio spurs:lol

[RsxPiimp]

Still Bron-bron ...but he needs to stop whoring hinself for triple doubles and get back to being a scoring and chase down block beast, LeBron...

the absence of cp3 has really exposed houston. harden’s a good player but his game is far too gimmicky to be considered as the most valuable . he’s just far too concerned in drawing fouls. you can say lebron is a stat padder and while there’s a partial truth in that statement, what separates him from harden is his ability to play lock down D, if needed.

[Killakobe81]

the absence of cp3 has really exposed houston. harden’s a good player but his game is far too gimmicky to be considered as the most valuable . he’s just far too concerned in drawing fouls. you can say lebron is a stat padder and while there’s a partial truth in that statement, what separates him from harden is his ability to play lock down D, if needed.

im not blaming him for chasing triple doubles it got Russ a mvp but Bron should be focused on his 4th LOB instead

[ambchang]

anyone not from san antonio spurs:lol

Outscored by Bruce Bowen in a playoff game :lol

[RsxPiimp]

choke harden :lmao

blew a 26 point lead.

2 turnovers in 4 seconds

15/15 ft, 7 turnovers

:lmao

[RsxPiimp]

4th quarter


0:03 James Harden turnover 98 - 99
0:03 James Harden offensive foul 98 - 99
0:03 Al Horford makes 5-foot driving floating jump shot 98 - 99
0:07 James Harden turnover 98 - 97
0:07 James Harden offensive foul 98 - 97


:lmao

[spursistan]

if this choke artist wins MVP :lmao..

[Arcadian]

If by MVP you mean "stupid faggot chucker who makes bad choices and loses games for his team," then sure, you could make a case for Harden.

[RsxPiimp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcui3V5GNys
this is becoming a harden trademark


:lmao

[SuperCam]

top 3 choke of the year so far from frauden tbh...

[D-Wade]

An all time SG my ass. This cat is so mentally weak

[Killakobe81]

choke harden :lmao

blew a 26 point lead.

2 turnovers in 4 seconds

15/15 ft, 7 turnovers

:lmao

im sure some of those fts are legit ...but 15 FTs?!

[spursistan]

CP3 has been the MVP of the Rockets

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSLQ1PeVQAA-mDK.jpg

[ElNono]

at least the Spurs won games when Manu flopped, tbh...

[StrengthAndHonor]

CP3 has been the MVP of the Rockets

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSLQ1PeVQAA-mDK.jpg

:toast

[Seventyniner]

Marcus Smart is an all-time flopper already, but that last foul on Harden was legit. He just kept moving right into Smart. At some point "creating space" is actually a foul. Imagine that!

[lefty]

:lmao

In the last 20 years, the Rockets were 179-0 in games which they've led by 25+ points.

Until tonight. 🍀 https://t.co/lOWTNWlJwh

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Frauden should have never been in the MVP discussion in previous years and he definitely shouldn't be in it now. Not surprised at all that he choked AGAIN, like always. Westbrook is the superior basketball player, end of story.

How long before the Rockets protest this loss too because their fee-fees got hurt by only getting 99.9999% of the calls instead of their usual 100%?

[140]

CP3 has been the MVP of the Rockets

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSLQ1PeVQAA-mDK.jpg
Media narrative already turning on Frauden, CP0's camp doing work behind the scenes tbh :lol

you know that in the playoffs he's gonna be the scapegoat even if CP0 chokes, good call tbh Clipper Nation :tu

[Killakobe81]

:lol Frauden should have never been in the MVP discussion in previous years and he definitely shouldn't be in it now. Not surprised at all that he choked AGAIN, like always. Westbrook is the superior basketball player, end of story.

How long before the Rockets protest this loss too because their fee-fees got hurt by only getting 99.9999% of the calls instead of their usual 100%?

Although he belonged ...metrics wise ....dude already bitching cuz only two refs were calling that epic choke job.
True story my wife left a nursing gig with Rox up big, knows I hate Celts, asks if I saw the beatdown ...
I say Rox choked it away ...had to show her on my phone ...she didnt believe me ...smh.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsvK07Ign6A

[DMC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsvK07Ign6A

Painful listening to these folks.

[Clipper Nation]

Media narrative already turning on Frauden, CP0's camp doing work behind the scenes tbh :lol

you know that in the playoffs he's gonna be the scapegoat even if CP0 chokes, good call tbh Clipper Nation (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=28500) :tu

CP0's camp is even better than Kobe's ever was at spinning the narrative and convincing Media to overrate their player, tbh. The free pass he keeps getting despite never winning anything of note is just unbelievable.

First, they managed to convince the average NBA fan that Tyson Chandler, David West and Peja were scrubs. Next, they convinced the average fan that Blake Griffin was a scrub. Now they're working to retcon the "Frauden should have been MVP" narrative and replace it with a new "CP0 is the real MVP" narrative. Just watch: when the Rockets choke in the playoffs, the storyline will be that CP0 can't possibly be expected to win with a loser like Frauden. Media (and, as a result, casual fans) will conveniently ignore the fact that he forced a trade specifically to play with Frauden.

[DAF86]

CP3 has been the MVP of the Rockets

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSLQ1PeVQAA-mDK.jpg

And that lone loss came on the game Paul got re-injured, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Textbook example of the narrative at work:

946734376611733504

:lol Apparently, we're supposed to forget that Game 7 against the Spurs in 2008, Game 5 against the Thunder in 2014, and Game 6 against the Rockets in 2015 ever happened. Those similar late-game meltdowns by CP0 in vastly more significant games are just glossed over per par. Again, the free pass this guy gets is just incredible.

[LkrFan]

946782723120738306

:lol

[Killakobe81]

946782723120738306

:lol

Lifeforce!!! rofl ...damn this chick with the sports "bar" of the year ...she should do a collabo with Kdot

[Killakobe81]

her delivery is poor but lyrics on point, lol

[Kyle Orton]

Did she stick her finger in a light socket tbh

[baseline bum]

top 3 choke of the year so far from frauden tbh...

He always saves his best for elimination games though, modern day Karl Malone minus the child rape.

[Jules_Winnfield]

CP3 has been the MVP of the Rockets

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSLQ1PeVQAA-mDK.jpg

That isn't the right logic.

WITH Harden + CP3

WITHOUT Harden

What's the record with CP3 but without Harden? We don't know.

And on top of that, Capela also missed games (their third best player).

[AlexJones]

Harden is the MVP. LBJ #2. KD 3

[140]

Dumbjohn nowhere to be seen today :lol

[UZER]

Textbook example of the narrative at work:

946734376611733504

:lol Apparently, we're supposed to forget that Game 7 against the Spurs in 2008, Game 5 against the Thunder in 2014, and Game 6 against the Rockets in 2015 ever happened. Those similar late-game meltdowns by CP0 in vastly more significant games are just glossed over per par. Again, the free pass this guy gets is just incredible.

Don't forgot the 3/4 court heave against OKC when he expected an intentional foul that didn't happen. I think it was game1. :lol

[spurraider21]

946782723120738306

:lol
:lmao holy shit

[RsxPiimp]

Harden is the MVP. LBJ #2. KD 3

i think even Aldridge ranks higher than harden in the mvp ladder :lol

[Spurtacular]

Painful listening to these folks.

NBA welfare, tbh.

[LkrFan]

Dumbjohn nowhere to be seen today :lol

:lol

[Mitch]

:lol

You voting for Andres Manuel, Gustavo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyT1xndAV88

[SuperCam]

damn abut to drop 5 in a row getting blown out in dc. mvcapella?

[StrengthAndHonor]

damn abut to drop 5 in a row getting blown out in dc. mvcapella?
CP3 is not 100%. It’s clearly a panic move from D’Antoni after their 4 game slide.

[LkrFan]

You voting for Andres Manuel, Gustavo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyT1xndAV88

N:lol

[Mitch]

N:lol

Your padre would not be happy, Josesito.

[LkrFan]

Your padre would not be happy, Josesito.

:lol

[ElNono]

:lol

Fue penal :lol

[lefty]

Peja, Chandler and West were scrubs tbh

[Clipper Nation]

Peja, Chandler and West were scrubs tbh
All three of them were champions without CP0. Chandler was a DPOY and Peja was a legit MVP candidate in his prime without CP0. But when CP0 couldn't get to the WCF with all three of them on his team, the narrative was "how can CP0 be expected to win with those guys?"

[Killakobe81]

Durant entering convo as cavs and rox keep losing ..
but harden will stat pad tonight vs Lakers ...
james will ether celts on wednesday

[Bill_Brasky]

All three of them were champions without CP0. Chandler was a DPOY and Peja was a legit MVP candidate in his prime without CP0. But when CP0 couldn't get to the WCF with all three of them on his team, the narrative was "how can CP0 be expected to win with those guys?"

The only reason West is a champion is because he jumped on the Warriors bandwagon with that faggot Matt Barnes.

[LkrFan]

Fue penal :lol

:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

The only reason West is a champion is because he jumped on the Warriors bandwagon with that faggot Matt Barnes.
Well, that and he got away from CP0.

[Stabula]

Kawhi

[spursistan]

Harden going to miss at least 2 weeks, Lebron got the MVP on lock now barring a major Cavs tailspin ..

[spurraider21]

just gonna say, saw this posted upstairs. fuckin disgusting

947668764492931072

[spurraider21]

this is so far beyond flopping... dont even know how to describe it

[RsxPiimp]

just gonna say, saw this posted upstairs. fuckin disgusting

947668764492931072



:lol

[dfens]

this is so far beyond flopping... dont even know how to describe it

what's funny is that in the playoffs the refs tighten the calls and harden gets frustrated, as all these fake give-me-ft shots he puts will result in tos. Cp3 isn't an elite iso player in the playoffs so they're all but guaranteed a choke, with lots of bitching tbh.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Stephen Curry

[Killakobe81]

Stephen Curry

indeed ...

[UZER]

indeed ...

Nope. It's the GSW system.

[Killakobe81]

Lebron has tapered off a bit and is getting blown out vs Tpups tonight...
I would still lean James ...but Russ, Steph and KD may enter convo ...

[Spurtacular]

Lebron -39

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lebron-james-ends-with-career-worst-plus-minus-in-loss-to-wolves/ar-BBI8DqE?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

[StrengthAndHonor]

Lebron -39

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lebron-james-ends-with-career-worst-plus-minus-in-loss-to-wolves/ar-BBI8DqE?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
I could see Steph, KD or Curry winning it.

[Spurtacular]

I could see Steph, KD or Curry winning it.

You said steph twice but no big deal. I don't care who wins it as long as it's not a Warrior or a Rocket, tbh.

This should've been Kawhi's year to win it, tbh.

[ambchang]

Lebron has tapered off a bit and is getting blown out vs Tpups tonight...
I would still lean James ...but Russ, Steph and KD may enter convo ...

First one shot >>>> entire career.

Now one game makes or breaks an mvp season? You are really on a roll.

What’s next? One play makes he hall of fame?

[Killakobe81]

First one shot >>>> entire career.

Now one game makes or breaks an mvp season? You are really on a roll.

What’s next? One play makes he hall of fame?

reading is fundamental old friend ....I said ...
1. LeBron is TAPERING OFF A BIT (translanted his stats/metrics and to my eyes his play has, tapered off since his hot start) ...this was just latest example ...
2. not all his fault but His team is losing more since that start ...
3. Did you miss this part? I WOULD STILL LEAN JAMES?!
4. WTF DOES previous argument have to do with this one?
-25 pts if serious -50 if trolling cuz you should be above this by now ...
Did you miss me or something ..sweet cheeks?

[ambchang]

reading is fundamental old friend ....I said ...
1. LeBron is TAPERING OFF A BIT (translanted his stats/metrics and to my eyes his play has, tapered off since his hot start) ...this was just latest example ...
2. not all his fault but His team is losing more since that start ...
3. Did you miss this part? I WOULD STILL LEAN JAMES?!
4. WTF DOES previous argument have to do with this one?
-25 pts if serious -50 if trolling cuz you should be above this by now ...
Did you miss me or something ..sweet cheeks?
You said what you said. Don’t backpedal.

[Killakobe81]

You said what you said. Don’t backpedal.

no backpedals my friend i said Lebron is still my vote and Durant and Steph have entered the convo....both I stand firmly behind and in fact I double down on it ...
Btw ...
http://http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder#/

[StrengthAndHonor]

If KD wins this years MVP and FMVP awards, I wonder how would it affect Curry's legacy.

[StrengthAndHonor]

You said steph twice but no big deal. I don't care who wins it as long as it's not a Warrior or a Rocket, tbh.

This should've been Kawhi's year to win it, tbh.

Sorry brother, I meant Westbrook.

[dfens]

sons lebron is on his patented January coasting month ... another great year of betting ahead of us tbh. this year betting on the cavs will make me even more then last year, god I love idiot fans :toast:lol

The next 30 days are brutal for the cavs (vs warriors, rockets, thunder, celtics, spurs ..) so their stock will drop to a max season low when they meet washington , so that's a prime bet position for cavs make the finals. last year I got 6-1 return when the celtics were rolling, maybe this year it drops to 8-1 :toast

also lol @anybody who think lebron isn't the mvp in this bitchmade league. here's to harden breaking his leg on an akward fall so that I never get to see this abomination play again. god bless tbh. :toast

[Killakobe81]

sons lebron is on his patented January coasting month ... another great year of betting ahead of us tbh. this year betting on the cavs will make me even more then last year, god I love idiot fans :toast:lol

The next 30 days are brutal for the cavs (vs warriors, rockets, thunder, celtics, spurs ..) so their stock will drop to a max season low when they meet washington , so that's a prime bet position for cavs make the finals. last year I got 6-1 return when the celtics were rolling, maybe this year it drops to 8-1 :toast

also lol @anybody who think lebron isn't the mvp in this bitchmade league. here's to harden breaking his leg on an akward fall so that I never get to see this abomination play again. god bless tbh. :toast

LeBron is the best player and is my choice for MVP ...
Last few years he was the best player but Durant, Stpeh x2 and Russ won MVP ...
Lebron can still be the best player and not win the award ...

[StrengthAndHonor]

Welp, looks like Curry will be out for a while. It’s going to be Durant and Lebron and a bit of Westbrook on the side.

[Killakobe81]

Welp, looks like Curry will be out for a while. It’s going to be Durant and Lebron and a bit of Westbrook on the side.

dudes ankles soft like twinkie fillings...
Might need UA to design a extra ankle support version

[spurraider21]

its the first time in years curry has had anything resembling a serious injury...

games played by season:

16/17: 79
15/16: 79
14/15: 80
13/14: 78
12/13: 78
11/12: 26
10/11: 74
09/10: 80

[Chris Fall]

LeBron is still the most valuable player in the league, and part of that is because of LeBron the GM. LeBron securing bad contracts for his buddies Jr, Tristan, and Shump limiting what the team can do with adding FA talent and then running off Kyrie to Boston ensured that his supporting cast in Cleveland is most assuredly worse than other title contending teams. And that's why either KD or Steph and Hard to a lesser extent don't have a legit argument for MVP versus LeBron. Cavs without LeBron are likely a lottery team, even in the East.

He's probably still the best player in the league too. But I think someone like KD has more of an argument in that discussion than with the topic of league MVP.

[Killakobe81]

First one shot >>>> entire career.

Now one game makes or breaks an mvp season? You are really on a roll.

What’s next? One play makes he hall of fame?

LIke I Saiiid ....I lean LeBron still ... and
he is STILL gets my MVP vote (so far) because ...
1. he is still the best player in the NBA as of 1-11-2018 8:22 pm CST ...
2. Durant/Curry/harden/CP3 all have missed significant time ... however ...

1. His play has tapered off ... he is playing great on offense but defense isn't as good, plus minus is slipping and his shooting numbers (FT/3pt) has started to regress back to mean
2. His team is getting blown out every other road game (I have league pass for the first time in years so I am not looking at just boxscores ..I see James at least 2-3 times a week

But
Lot's of time left in this game (Toronto) and season for him to solidify his top spot ...and it doesn't hurt that he is a superhuman and the other MVp candidates are a bunch of soft, gushy cats that cant stay on the court ...

[spursistan]

Harden going to miss at least 2 weeks, Lebron got the MVP on lock now barring a major Cavs tailspin ..
Not so fast..The Cavs have been horrid lately..Can't give James the MVP if they finish outside the Top 2 in the East..

[Killakobe81]

Not so fast..The Cavs have been horrid lately..Can't give James the MVP if they finish outside the Top 2 in the East..

my point exactly their play is that bad despite James being quite good ...
however okc was not a top 3 seed and Russ won ...

[Bynumite]

Back to back 30 point losses for LeCoon :lmao


MVP, MVP, MVP...

[ambchang]

LIke I Saiiid ....I lean LeBron still ... and
he is STILL gets my MVP vote (so far) because ...
1. he is still the best player in the NBA as of 1-11-2018 8:22 pm CST ...
2. Durant/Curry/harden/CP3 all have missed significant time ... however ...

1. His play has tapered off ... he is playing great on offense but defense isn't as good, plus minus is slipping and his shooting numbers (FT/3pt) has started to regress back to mean
2. His team is getting blown out every other road game (I have league pass for the first time in years so I am not looking at just boxscores ..I see James at least 2-3 times a week

But
Lot's of time left in this game (Toronto) and season for him to solidify his top spot ...and it doesn't hurt that he is a superhuman and the other MVp candidates are a bunch of soft, gushy cats that cant stay on the court ...

You don’t have to convince me. Just remember this next time Durant hit s fade away three pointer with 2 seconds left to give the warriors a 132-104 lead.

[AlexJones]

Steph is winning his 3rd MVP this year.

[UZER]

dudes ankles soft like twinkie fillings...
Might need UA to design a extra ankle support version

He just needs more rest.

:pop:

[StrengthAndHonor]

Steph is winning his 3rd MVP this year.
62 win pace without Curry. No chance.

[Killakobe81]

still half a season to go ...but right now doubt creeping in ...

[BatManu20]

Still going to be Harden or Lebron. It's like people on ST forget that the second half of the season is so much more important than the first half. Voters really start paying attention after the All-Star Break. Whichever of those two has the better 2nd half of the season (which results in winning) will win it.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I still like KD for MVP.

[AlexJones]

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AMBCUCK BTFO

[Chris Fall]

I still like KD for MVP.

Same argument you used against Curry. Warriors on 70 win pace without Durant.

And the one loss they had minus Durant was a game Curry also missed.

[Double-Up]

sons lebron is on his patented January coasting month ... another great year of betting ahead of us tbh. this year betting on the cavs will make me even more then last year, god I love idiot fans :toast:lol

The next 30 days are brutal for the cavs (vs warriors, rockets, thunder, celtics, spurs ..) so their stock will drop to a max season low when they meet washington , so that's a prime bet position for cavs make the finals. last year I got 6-1 return when the celtics were rolling, maybe this year it drops to 8-1 :toast

also lol @anybody who think lebron isn't the mvp in this bitchmade league. here's to harden breaking his leg on an akward fall so that I never get to see this abomination play again. god bless tbh. :toast

I'd wish you the same but you guys already suck donkey dick. :lol

[LkrFan]

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:lol

[Spurtacular]

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[spurraider21]

to be fair, wtf was love doing :lol

[Killakobe81]

great first quarter by Bron ...
sure, half a season to go ...but national tv signature games matter.
james has been the best player in a game full of stars ...

[StrengthAndHonor]

Durant

[lefty]

952280511552122880

AMBCUCK BTFO

What a fucking retarded tweet

[Killakobe81]

idk ...still LeBron but his hold is very shaky ...
that is 3 national tv ass whuppins in less than 3 weeks ...
obviously he should be considered every year but what other mvp has been blown out so routinely?

[Killakobe81]

Ny vote has changed ...
LeBron playing great on offense still ..
not sure its Harden though...(unless Rox pass State)
but with all these L's by the Cavs ..
and 7 straight net negative games for James he lost my vote for now...
I also saw him jog back on defense after a miss ... leaving Green wide open on a key possesion ..
sorry not the mvp at mid season...
even though he still the best player.
Congrats on 30k though ...
he broke another Kobe record ...

[StrengthAndHonor]

60 pts, triple double. Looks like Harden really wants this thing.

[Killakobe81]

60 pts, triple double. Looks like Harden really wants this thing.

yup ...cant vote Bron right now ...

[RsxPiimp]

harden's pretty much the perfect example of a manufactured system in today's game.

him winning an mvp this year is probably going to be the weakest in the last decade, worst than derrick rose. smh.


id rather see curry win it and this coming from someone who despise the warriors.

[TDMVPDPOY]

harden's pretty much the perfect example of a manufactured system in today's game.

him winning an mvp this year is probably going to be the weakest in the last decade, worst than derrick rose. smh.


id rather see curry win it and this coming from someone who despise the warriors.

how can u say his manufactured? on any team his still the same player ballhogging the ball...

2 straight years putting up peak numbers and they didn't give him the award, now 3rd straight year his putting up peak numbers again... so what does he need to do to win mvp? nash played no fkn defense, curry played no defense and they won b2b mvps

rose won mvp in a weak season also for all the flaws he has, only facet of his game is just attacking the rim hard and no jumpshot

[djohn2oo8]

harden's pretty much the perfect example of a manufactured system in today's game.

him winning an mvp this year is probably going to be the weakest in the last decade, worst than derrick rose. smh.


id rather see curry win it and this coming from someone who despise the warriors.

He did take McHale to the playoffs. Where is McHale now?

[Bynumite]

Why do people keep bumping this thread like LeCoon is still in the conversation?:lol

Unimpressive record, routinely gets his shit pushed in by playoffs teams, building his case by playing excessive minutes and stat-padding against sub .500 teams.

He's a turnover machine nowadays and takes too many plays off on defense. He had a quad-double with 11 turnovers a couple of weeks ago iirc:lol

He's borderline top 5 for MVP imho.

[sook]

harden's pretty much the perfect example of a manufactured system in today's game.

him winning an mvp this year is probably going to be the weakest in the last decade, worst than derrick rose. smh.


id rather see curry win it and this coming from someone who despise the warriors.
This is an all around shit take..and I don’t care if harden wins it at this point. “Weakest”..?:lol . Christ, this is what catering to the lowest common denominator of fans is.

[Down Under]

Harden is the biggest playoff quitter. That Game 6 last year - losing by 40 at home with Kawhi & Parker out, was embarrassing even as a basketball fan. He was ready for holidays.

[Clipper Nation]

Harden is the biggest playoff quitter. That Game 6 last year - losing by 40 at home with Kawhi & Parker out, was embarrassing even as a basketball fan. He was ready for holidays.
Let's not gloss over that CP0 quit in similar fashion in a home Game 7 against the injured Jazz last year.

[Double-Up]

Harden is one of the biggest playoff chokers I've ever seen, but he's unquestionably the MVP, tbh..

All he's missing from his choking repertoire is winning MVP and subsequently embarrassing himself on the playoffs:lol

Yea I still remember Hakeem doing that to Robinson. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Yea I still remember Hakeem doing that to Robinson. :lol

Harden=David Robinson is actually the comparison I've always made, tbh:lol if careers were based on the RS, both would be top 10 all-time..

[AlexJones]

No player should have their careers defined based on one playoff game. Bad management decisions are made when you over-value playoff performance (Horry contract, JR Smith contract, Tristan Thompson contract, Joe Flacco, etc.)

Harden's career playoff PER of 21.3, BPM of 5.9 over 3029 MP isn't bad.

[AlexJones]

Out of KD(2014), Russ (2017) and Harden (2018) MVP years, Harden's is the most impressive.

[Killakobe81]

harden's pretty much the perfect example of a manufactured system in today's game.

him winning an mvp this year is probably going to be the weakest in the last decade, worst than derrick rose. smh.


id rather see curry win it and this coming from someone who despise the warriors.

except the flops/fts ...
Not sure why so much hate.
MVP is a regular season award.
Guys that dont play defense (Nash/Dirk) ...
Only play really defense in key spots (Rose/Russ/Kobe/LeBron) ...and playoff/Finals underperformers (Rose/Nash/Robinson)
All have won the award ...
it hasnt been about the best player in the game since they stopped giving them to MJ ...its just that sometimes the best player also has the best narrative or numbers are so crazy (LeBron/Russ/Shaq/Steph) you cant deny them ...even if not the brst player ...
Harden has plenty in common with a lot of MvP's ...

Trust me I was pissed at the josh hart flop foul call...i was cussing at Harden ...he is soo good he doesnt need the bullshit. but i realized im mad at the refs, not Harden.
Not calling or falling for his bullshit is on these punkass refs.
Harden just exploiting rules just like
Lebron crab dribble...
Manu flops ...
Durant rip through move ...pre rule change
Reggie miller leg kick ...
KG illegal screens

all of that is cheap, cheating etc. Harden just taking advantage of bitch ass refs.
Bowen stepping under shooters...
Shaq using shoulder to dislodge Dikembe and others ...

I'm not mad at players taking advantage of rules ..to try and win.

[Killakobe81]

And this shit is ova ...
No way James win mvp after another 30 point loss on national TV...
Harden the,fave and maybe Bron wont even finish top 2 if this continues ...
And LeBron absolutely should be called out for his lack of defense and poor intensity as JVG and mark jax are doing...

[LkrFan]

Right now, LeHype knows how Kobe felt from 2005-2008 :lol

[Bynumite]

LeCoon has no shame, game been over since the 2nd quarter but he's still out there stat-padding his meaningless triple-double to divert attention to the rest of the team:lol

His shot at mvp been over and done. Zero chance he wins it.

[Pelicans78]

Lebron's not even top 5 in this race.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Cavs are actually worse when Lebron is on the floor, based on all advanced metrics. Imagine that :lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

And this shit is ova ...
No way James win mvp after another 30 point loss on national TV...
Harden the,fave and maybe Bron wont even finish top 2 if this continues ...
And LeBron absolutely should be called out for his lack of defense and poor intensity as JVG and mark jax are doing...


Who’s your runner up?

[Killakobe81]

Lebron's not even top 5 in this race.


Right now, LeHype knows how Kobe felt from 2005-2008 :lol

bbbut ...
LeBron carries shit like Larry Hughes and Damin Jones to the Finals!!!

[StrengthAndHonor]

Right now, LeHype knows how Kobe felt from 2005-2008 :lol
Lakers were a lottery team without Kobe in 05-08. Cavs would actually be a playoff team even without Lebron this year.

[Killakobe81]

Who’s your runner up?

not sure Durant or Kyrie should get a lot of votes ...
Maybe ant davis or giannis if they can move up higher in the conference.
Lebron should still be top 3-5 its not just an award for right now ...but he cant finish top 2 ..if this continues.

[LkrFan]

Lakers were a lottery team without Kobe in 05-08. Cavs would actually be a playoff team even without Lebron this year.

:lol

[LkrFan]

bbbut ...
LeBron carries shit like Larry Hughes and Damin Jones to the Finals!!!

:lol exactly. This Cavs team is stacked, yet you get blown out by 32 (at h:lolme) to a team our Baby Lakers (youngest team in the league) beat in Houston? They have multiple current all stars, multiple former all stars, former MVPs, 3pt snipers, and really good vets - yet they still can't get it together? :lol Peep game from IT:

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This is bad. On the one hand, they know LeHype is leaving, so they not putting out effort. On the other hand, if they make trades, LeHype leaving anyway. :downspin: :lol

[Raven]

:lol exactly. This Cavs team is stacked, yet you get blown out by 32 (at h:lolme) to a team our Baby Lakers (youngest team in the league) beat in Houston? They have multiple current all stars, multiple former all stars, former MVPs, 3pt snipers, and really good vets - yet they still can't get it together? :lol Peep game from IT:

960013179291099136



This is bad. On the one hand, they know LeHype is leaving, so they not putting out effort. On the other hand, if they make trades, LeHype leaving anyway. :downspin: :lol

... how about actually guarding your player and contesting shots?

[ambchang]

Right now, LeHype knows how Kobe felt from 2005-2008 :lol

Is lebron going to miss the playoffs with two borderline all star?

[ambchang]

Lakers were a lottery team without Kobe in 05-08. Cavs would actually be a playoff team even without Lebron this year.

Lakers were a lottery team with Kobe. What’s your point? That a top12 player does nothing for the team?

[Leetonidas]

Tbh the argument can be made for Kyrie...arguably having a better season than ‘11 Rose. No Hayward. #1 in the east giving rookies and young players big mins. Top seed. Good record. Far and away best player on the team. And look at the dumpster fire Cleveland is without him

[LkrFan]

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Ben Harden is the best player in the world. He's the front runner right now.

[Killakobe81]

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Ben Harden is the best player in the world. He's the front runner right now.

lebron had an amazing game winner and a high numbers triple dub ...
harden still fave but if cavs can start winning behind more games like tonight ...the race gets tighter.

[sook]

lebron had an amazing game winner and a high numbers triple dub ...
harden still fave but if cavs can start winning behind more games like tonight ...the race gets tighter.

You’re a moron. You don’t watch any other games do you?

[Killakobe81]

You’re a moron. You don’t watch any other games do you?

calm your punkass down i have league pass and watched all of heat/rox until cavs game started and switched back and forth during commercilas after.
go back and read all the posts recently including this one that says Harden is the fave and the long ass post where i defend his skills agsinst his haters on here ...and say blame refs, not Harden.
just saying despite all the talent the Cavs have ...with their slow start if lebron turns them around he will get media love.

Never said i waa switching "my vote" but mine dont mean shit ...anyways harden probably has double or triple gamewinners but LeBron did his on national TV

[TDMVPDPOY]

out of harden, kd, wb...why is hardens game more easier to watch, then the other 2 fakes?

[sook]

calm your punkass down i have league pass and watched all of heat/rox until cavs game started and switched back and forth during commercilas after.
go back and read all the posts recently including this one that says Harden is the fave and the long ass post where i defend his skills agsinst his haters on here ...and say blame refs, not Harden.
just saying despite all the talent the Cavs have ...with their slow start if lebron turns them around he will get media love.

Never said i waa switching "my vote" but mine dont mean shit ...anyways harden probably has double or triple gamewinners but LeBron did his on national TV

I don’t care about what your pick is even if it’s not harden, but to have that much support for a guy who is responsible for the Cavs implosion and their pathetic play as of late :lmao :lmao

[StrengthAndHonor]

out of harden, kd, wb...why is hardens game more easier to watch, then the other 2 fakes?
Harden’s an all around better offensive talent, that’s why.

[StrengthAndHonor]

To have that much support for a guy who is responsible for the Cavs implosion and their pathetic play as of late :lmao :lmao

[dfens]

I don’t care about what your pick is even if it’s not harden, but to have that much support for a guy who is responsible for the Cavs implosion and their pathetic play as of late :lmao :lmao

son without those fake free throws your nigga harden is just mitch richmond with better pg skills. I will seriously celebrate when that nigga breaks something, just an affront to the game smh. In the late 80s, they would've punched this niggas teeth out on a daily basis.

[Killakobe81]

I don’t care about what your pick is even if it’s not harden, but to have that much support for a guy who is responsible for the Cavs implosion and their pathetic play as of late :lmao :lmao

I agree with SOME of what you are saying but will media?
Lebron hit a walkoff, made the decisive defensive play, a triple double and almost dropped 40 all media narrative friendly