Duncan sounds off on the dress code

[Obstructed_View]

How did they do that? As far as I know, there's random testing UP TO 4 times a year (which could mean none). And if you test positive for marijuana, you don't even get fined the first time.
This is directly from the NBA, don't get mad at me if it ain't right.

All players (veterans and rookies) will be tested at random 4 times during the season (once during training camp and 3 additional times during the season).
All players (veterans and rookies) will be subject to off-season testing.

Penalties for violators will be increased as follows: first offense -- 10 game suspension; second offense -- 25 game suspension; third offense -- dismissal and disqualification from the NBA (subject to reinstatement after two years).

The list of banned substances will be expanded to include all steroids made illegal by the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 2004, plus additional steroids and stimulants banned by WADA, and a provision will be added requiring that any substance declared illegal by Congress will automatically be added to the NBA’s banned substances list.

Other technical changes will be made to the program, such as lowering the threshold for a positive testosterone test from a ratio of 6:1 to a ratio of 4:1, as WADA did earlier this year, and changing the NBA’s testing laboratory to one accredited by WADA in order to take advantage of the most advanced laboratory science.

[Kip Fanatic]

This isn't the first time a representative body has entered into an agreement that was not fully supported by those it represented.

Your point? Its done with. Deal with it.

There is nothing they can do about it. That is until the two sides decide to meet on this again. Until then follow the rules. I am not bitter about NBA Players making more in a few years than me in a lifetime. I am just not going to try and understand them when they make so much. Do they care about you, me, and that other person when we get fired from our jobs? Are they there for all those people who get laid off from their jobs? When the health benefits run out for a family and the youngest child is terminally ill, but there is no money, do they go out of there way to argue for us to our employer? No.

[Kori Ellis]

Okay now I'll show you what the CBA really says.


a player shall be required to undergo testing for Prohibited Substances at any time, without prior notice to the player, no more than four (4) times each Season. . (So maybe not even once?)


Penalties for violators will be increased as follows: first offense -- 10 game suspension; second offense -- 25 game suspension; third offense -- dismissal and disqualification from the NBA (subject to reinstatement after two years).


Any player who (i) tests positive for marijuana pursuant to Section 5 (Reasonable Cause Testing), Section 6 (Random Testing), or Section 14 (Additional Bases for Testing), (ii) is adjudged by the Grievance Arbitrator pursuant to Section 5(e) above to have used or possessed marijuana, or (iii) has been convicted of (including a plea of guilty, no contest or nolo contendere to) the use or possession of marijuana in violation of the law, shall suffer the following penalties:

(A) For the first such violation, the player shall be required to enter the Marijuana Program;

(B) For the second such violation, the player shall be fined $25,000 and, if the player is not then subject to in-patient or aftercare treatment in the Marijuana Program, be required to enter the Marijuana Program;

(C) For the third such violation, the player shall be suspended for five (5) games and, if the player is not then subject to in-patient or aftercare treatment in the Marijuana Program, be required to enter the Marijuana Program; and

(D) For any subsequent violation, the player shall be suspended for five (5) games longer than his immediately preceding suspension for violating the Marijuana Program and, if the player is not then subject to in-patient or aftercare treatment in the Marijuana Program, be required to enter the Marijuana Program.

Obviously there are harsher penalties for other drugs.

http://nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-XXXIII.php

[Obstructed_View]

Sorry, Kori. Nothing you posted refutes my statement that they are cracking down.

EDIT: Even though you and I may agree that it isn't enough, I was simply pointing out that the dress code, while retarded, is part of a larger effort.

[Kori Ellis]

Penalties for violators will be increased as follows: first offense -- 10 game suspension; second offense -- 25 game suspension; third offense -- dismissal and disqualification from the NBA (subject to reinstatement after two years).

Those are accurate for testing positive for performance enhancing drugs.

[Kori Ellis]

Sorry, Kori. Nothing you posted refutes my statement that they are cracking down.

How are they cracking down? By saying they MIGHT test up to 4 times per year? And if you test positive for marijuana (which is illegal) you don't get fined or suspended at all the first time?

[Obstructed_View]

Those are accurate for testing positive for performance enhancing drugs.
Yeah, the marijuana program is a joke, but I admire anyone that could actually play basketball stoned. :)

But enough of my rantings...

[Kori Ellis]

Okay, back on track.

Sorry.

[Spurminator]

Your point? Its done with. Deal with it.

There is nothing they can do about it.

They can express their displeasure with it, and they can pay whatever fines they incur for not going along with it.

Meanwhile, their vocal opposition addresses cultural prejudices in our society.

Why does that bother people?

[cheguevara]

http://espn.go.com/media/nba/2005/1018/photo/a_duncanparker_508.jpg

According to the new rule, Duncan and Parker above are in violation. Because they are not wearing coats. Whoever still claims this rule is not stupid has some screw lose.

[Kip Fanatic]

They can express their displeasure with it, and they can pay whatever fines they incur for not going along with it. Why does that bother people?

There are bigger issues in life. That's why. Its a job that the "people" make run. Without the people, it doesn't run.

[Spurminator]

There are bigger issues than a lot of crap we waste our time doing and talking about. So what?

There are bigger issues in the NBA than how a player dresses, so why is THAT such a big deal in the first place?

It only becomes irrelevant when the people we disagree with make their opinions known.

[Kip Fanatic]

There are bigger issues than a lot of crap we waste our time doing and talking about. So what?

There are bigger issues in the NBA than how a player dresses, so why is THAT such a big deal in the first place?

It only becomes irrelevant when the people we disagree with make their opinions known.

Would we give a crap of ordinary Joes that worked for a software company that were making millions of dollars all of sudden had to dress up to work when before they didn't have to? No.

[Kip Fanatic]

http://espn.go.com/media/nba/2005/1018/photo/a_duncanparker_508.jpg

According to the new rule, Duncan and Parker above are in violation. Because they are not wearing coats. Whoever still claims this rule is not stupid has some screw lose.

It may be dumb, but its a rule. Why complain? Just follow it.

[Spurminator]

Would we give a crap of ordinary Joes that worked for a software company that were making millions of dollars all of sudden had to dress up to work when before they didn't have to? No.

If someone started a thread on that topic, we'd all probably have an opinion on the matter.

In fact, I would bet more people would side with the ordinary Joes in that case, because less people would be bitter about their comparative salary. Plus, we probably wouldn't have found their previous attire to be as threatening as jewelry and baggy jeans.

[Kip Fanatic]

If someone started a thread on that topic, we'd all probably have an opinion on the matter.

In fact, I would bet more people would side with the ordinary Joes in that case, because less people would be bitter about their comparative salary. Plus, we probably wouldn't have found their previous attire to be as threatening as jewelry and baggy jeans.

No one would start a thread on it.

[Marcus Bryant]

It may be dumb, but its a rule. Why complain? Just follow it.


http://chronicle.augusta.com/images/headlines/020605/43636_512.jpg


http://www.columbia.edu/itc/law/witt/raw_images/lect28/13_rosa_parks.jpg

[Spurminator]

No one would start a thread on it.

They might in an IT forum.

[cheguevara]

Asked what he thought about the dress code, Popovich, who attended the Air Force Academy, said: "I don't think about dress codes much now. I did that when I was a cadet."


:tu

[Spurminator]

And anyway, the software company comparison also ignores the cultural aspects of the NBA debate.

[Kip Fanatic]

http://chronicle.augusta.com/images/headlines/020605/43636_512.jpg


http://www.columbia.edu/itc/law/witt/raw_images/lect28/13_rosa_parks.jpg

I dare you to go ask people who went through the above-mentioned such as my dad if what they went through compares to having to wear a sports coat a few days out of the week, but get paids millions to play basketball. You are trying to hard or very stupid to compare the two.

For you to compare a dress code to discrimination is dumb.

[easjer]

MB is not the only person who feels that it is discriminatory.

The league's admission that they instituted this dress code because sponsers were concerned about the image of the league only inflames that.

I may not agree with Stephen Jackson, but he is not the only person who feels the dress code has racist origins or overtones.

[Marcus Bryant]

That's not the point. Your sentiment is what precisely has kept mankind down throughout its time on this rock.

Black, white, brown, yellow, male, female, etc...it doesn't matter.

[nkdlunch]

I dare you to go ask people who went through the above-mentioned such as my dad if what they went through compares to having to wear a sports coat a few days out of the week, but get paids millions to play basketball. You are trying to hard or very stupid to compare the two.

For you to compare a dress code to discrimination is dumb.

I think he meant about following rules.

[Marcus Bryant]

Do I need to post a copy of the Nuremberg Laws as well to make my point clear?

[Mixability]

I dare you to go ask people who went through the above-mentioned such as my dad if what they went through compares to having to wear a sports coat a few days out of the week, but get paids millions to play basketball. You are trying to hard or very stupid to compare the two.

For you to compare a dress code to discrimination is dumb.

I think he's trying to compare a "rule" to a "rule". I undertand his logic, extreme, but understandable.

To clear up the confusion, Stern should just come out and say what he really means:

"Stop dressing so black"

:shootme

[Kip Fanatic]

I think he meant about following rules.

So all rules are pretty much the same? We shouldn't follow them?

[Oh, Gee!!]

"I understand what they're trying to do with the hats and do-rags and jerseys and stuff. That's fine."

I love Duncan as much as the next Spurs fan, but this sounds a little Uncle Tom-ish.

[Marcus Bryant]

So all rules are pretty much the same? We shouldn't follow them?


No. Sometimes rules are "dumb" or worse.

[nkdlunch]

So all rules are pretty much the same? We shouldn't follow them?

If you don't beleive in a rule, then you should work on changing it.

This is what we're discussing.

[Spurminator]

Rules stemming from possible cultural/racial prejudices should most certainly be debated... or at least addressed.

Now, that's not to say I don't think a lot of players are unhappy with the rule simply because of its inconvenience to them personally (Camby), but I think enough players (like Iverson) have brought up the racial undertones of this rule that we should pause to consider some of the NBA's reasoning and whether it benefits society.

[Kip Fanatic]

No. Sometimes rules are "dumb" or worse.

Some rules are dumb. No doubt. However, they are in place for certain reasons. This dress code is just to have the NBA appear more professional. The people who represent the Players who are players agreed to it.

[Obi wan Ginobili]

If Timmy isn't playing one night, why can't he just wear his uniform and pop not play him?

Wouldnt that be funny?

Crutches or a huge kneee brace/cast and a player in uniform (not Timmy though please God alalalalalal)?

Heheh

[Spurminator]

I don't care if every player signed the agreement himself, the NBA should not perpetuate the idea that one's "style" defines the person. If you are trying to be a role model for the young and/or underpriviledged, it's better to relate to them than to belittle them.

[MiNuS]

I don't care if every player signed the agreement himself, the NBA should not perpetuate the idea that one's "style" defines the person. If you are trying to be a role model for the young and/or underpriviledged, it's better to relate to them than to belittle them.
yeah,they related to them in Detroit last year,really well.

:devil

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

So all rules are pretty much the same? We shouldn't follow them?

There are rules that most of society agree with to be able to live in a community, and there are other rules that don't hold overwhelming support, it's a question of common sense.

Killing is a crime: pretty much everyone thinks it's a good rule.

Other issues are not that clear, as taxes, civil rights, freedom of speech, etc.

And each rule at their time, as Marcus posted, back in the day segregation was seen as a good rule, at least by the white people. Slavery was the form of trade since the Roman Empire, so what? Should I look for some slaves in the market because of that? Since the Nazis declared in laws that Jews were an inferior race, should I shot myJewishself?

A dress code is pure nonsense from my point of view, I don't see what positives will come out of imposing people what should they wear. Yeah, future basketball players will be less "thuggish" because they see that Ron Artest wears a suit and a tie on national TV. Stern is just making noise but he isn't proposing any real solutions with this.

Actually, is there a real problem with "thuggish" players? If there is, I wouldn't blame it on their clothes. It's quite simplistic, like people blaming serial killers because they watch violent TV shows or listen to satanic records backwards.

[Marcus Bryant]

It's clear why this rule was instituted. The NBA is trying to appeal to Middle America. Middle America doesn't regard baggy shirts and pants as casual wear. MA regards shorts and sandals as that. You know, if MLB or the NHL instituted a ban on wearing shorts and sandals they'd be ridiculed. When the NBA does it for another form of casual wear, well, it's all a matter of the players learning how to dress 'appropriately' and by golly, dress like everyone else (:wink :wink) when they go to work. Right Frank? John? Mark? Luke? Sam? Bob?

[ObiwanGinobili]

I'm totally in favor of the dress code.


PS. I'm sure Kevin Willis will now be expanding his buisness......

[dbreiden83080]

I love Tim Duncan but i tell you if he sits in the locker room on a night he is not playing because of this i will lose a shitload of respect for him. What if Pop himself had implemented this, would he still be whining about this i doubt it. Pop would never allow him to do that anyway they are both all about the team and not individuals and Pop would rip him a new you know what if he pulled that crap.

[Ginofan]

I love Tim Duncan but i tell you if he sits in the locker room on a night he is not playing because of this i will lose a shitload of respect for him. What if Pop himself had implemented this, would he still be whining about this i doubt it. Pop would never allow him to do that anyway they are both all about the team and not individuals and Pop would rip him a new you know what if he pulled that crap.

Pop couldn't care less what a player wears, so that point is moot. But I really think Tim just said that in the heat of the moment. I hope we never had to see Tim on the sidelines this season, but IF we do I for one hope he sticks to his opinions and doesn't conform to this nonsense.

[dbreiden83080]

Pop could care less what a player wears, so that point is moot. But I really think Tim just said that in the heat of the moment. I hope we never had to see Tim on the sidelines this season, but IF we do I for one hope he sticks to his opinions and doesn't conform to this nonsense.


My point had nothing to do with pop's opinion about tim's attire it was about Tim basically saying he is willing to seperate himself from the team as a result of this, that is unacceptable. Pop would not be happy with tim for acting out at the expense of the team was my point and yes i consider tim in the locker room and not on the bench supporting his teamates a detriment to the team.

[Ginofan]

My point had nothing to do with pop's opinion about tim's attire it was about Tim basically saying he is willing to seperate himself from the team as a result of this, that is unacceptable. Pop would not be happy with tim for acting out at the expense of the team was my point and yes i consider tim in the locker room and not on the bench supporting his teamates a detriment to the team.

But you were saying how if Pop had implemented this, would Tim still complain...which led to your sentences of Pop not allowing Tim to seperate himself from the team. But Pop doesn't care about dress codes, so he wouldn't be implementing this in the first place...was what I was trying to say. I see your point of Tim not supporting the team on the bench hurting the team overall...and I can agree with that. But like I said, it was probably just said in the heat of the moment. But if it wasn't, and Tim DOES try to go for the lockerroom instead of the bench...well...I'd be dissapointed, but it's hard to lose respect for a great player like Tim.

[dbreiden83080]

Timmy will always be my favorite player, but if you are making 18 mil a year to play basketball, you just shouldn't complain about stupid things like this. If tim was a baseball player for the yankees it is far worse their team rules are wearing suits and ties on all road trips, hair no longer than your ears, no beards or long sideburns, just clean shaven or neatly trimmed mustache. That is far worse but you are not going to hear guys like Jeter and A-rod complain because they know fans do not want to hear athletes making millions whining and complaining about something so stupid.

[nkdlunch]

I was just looking at this comparison, is Rip carrying a plastic bag with his shit!???
:lmao :lmao :lmao

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2005/1018/photo/g_billups_412.jpg

[Spurminator]

yeah,they related to them in Detroit last year,really well.

:devil

Right, if only Ron Artest were wearing a sport coat, he wouldn't be a nutcase.

[MiNuS]

I was just looking at this comparison, is Rip carrying a plastic bag with his shit!???
:lmao :lmao :lmao

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2005/1018/photo/g_billups_412.jpg
guess who was MVP of last years Finals???

[Ginofan]

But if it's "so stupid" then why have such strict rules at all? And I keep reading "well they are making $XXmillion dollars a year they should just do it", what does it matter how much money they are making? Does having money mean you shouldn't have the right to express yourself?

[Ginofan]

guess who was MVP of last years Finals???

What does what you wear have to do with how talented you are on the court???

[thispego]

damn, david sterne said that any player who doesnt want to comply with the new dress code should consider what they want to do for the rest of their life, because they wont be playing in the NBA

[Spurminator]

Stern's just trying to echo the sentiment of the people he's trying to impress. I'd like to see him try to kick Allen Iverson out of the league.

[thispego]

But if it's "so stupid" then why have such strict rules at all? And I keep reading "well they are making $XXmillion dollars a year they should just do it", what does it matter how much money they are making? Does having money mean you shouldn't have the right to express yourself?
exactly! individuality be damned!

[thispego]

Stern's just trying to echo the sentiment of the people he's trying to impress. I'd like to see him try to kick Allen Iverson out of the league.
you got that fuckin straight

[Ginofan]

There's no way Stern would kick players out of the league for not conforming, he'd lose too much money.

[MiNuS]

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/UniformRay.html

Coincidence: Detroit kid shot because of $86 tennis shoes!

I am a firm believer that how we dress says alot about who we are.I am very
tired of the "thug" look alot of NBA stars taking a part of.

[thispego]

i bet you if the majority of the league complied and there were a few here and there that refused to follow this dress code, then there would be major problems, there would probably be ultimatums; abide by the code or go on suspension

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/UniformRay.html

Coincidence: Detroit kid shot because of $86 tennis shoes!

I am a firm believer that how we dress says alot about who we are.I am very
tired of the "thug" look alot of NBA stars taking a part of.


Why is it only a problem in the NBA?

[Ginofan]

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/UniformRay.html

Coincidence: Detroit kid shot because of $86 tennis shoes!

I am a firm believer that how we dress says alot about who we are.I am very
tired of the "thug" look alot of NBA stars taking a part of.

You still didn't answer my question. Your post came out saying that because Chauncy is dressed in a suit and Rip isn't that the suit is the reason that Chauncy was the Finals MVP and that Rip wasn't. When in REALITY, Chauncy EARNED the Finals MVP because of how he PLAYED on the court....NOT WEARING THE SUIT.

It's not up to you to decide what a person says about themself.

[Ginofan]

i bet you if the majority of the league complied and there were a few here and there that refused to follow this dress code, then there would be major problems, there would probably be ultimatums; abide by the code or go on suspension

Yeah I can see that..not kicking out but handing out suspensions. But having big name players like TD and AI on suspension for long periods of time (that is, if they absolutely refused to follow the code) I think it would just backfire on Stern in the long run with losing out on the money that those big stars bring in.

[Marcus Bryant]

How about a dress code for fans who attend NBA games? That should cut down on unruly fan behavior.

[MiNuS]

You still didn't answer my question. Your post came out saying that because Chauncy is dressed in a suit and Rip isn't that the suit is the reason that Chauncy was the Finals MVP and that Rip wasn't. When in REALITY, Chauncy EARNED the Finals MVP because of how he PLAYED on the court....NOT WEARING THE SUIT.

It's not up to you to decide what aperson says about themself.
What I am say-ing is that Chauncy is classy and doesn't have to wear a plastic mask to feel superior. Some people look and act like MVP's on and off the floor.
Dressing up elevates peoples selfrespect and also demands respect from other people.

[Ginofan]

What I am say-ing is that Chauncy is classy and doesn't have to wear a plastic mask to feel superior. Some people look and act like MVP's on and off the floor.
Dressing up elevates peoples selfrespect and also demands respect from other people.

:lol you think Rip wears a plastic mask to feel superior??? Tim doesn't look like and act like an MVP off the floor because he doesn't wear a suit and tie??? Good grief.

[dbreiden83080]

But if it's "so stupid" then why have such strict rules at all? And I keep reading "well they are making $XXmillion dollars a year they should just do it", what does it matter how much money they are making? Does having money mean you shouldn't have the right to express yourself?

If you seriously think that people who are making millions do not have less of a right to complain then people who are making 10,000 a year constantly conforming to the rules then you are not even worth talking to.

[Ginofan]

If you seriously think that people who are making millions do not have less of a right to complain then people who are making 10,000 a year constantly conforming to the rules then you are not even worth talking to.

If you think that the amount of money you have determines what you have a right to then I'd rather you not talk to me, thanks :)

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The players of the 80's were partying on cocaine and pot 24/7.

But at least they were wearing suits :tu


Steroids were popular in the 80's as well.

My friend Timothy Price who works at Pierce and Pierce used to take steroids in the 80's.

[Kori Ellis]

He doesn't have to wear a plastic mask to feel superior.

:lmao

You do realize that he's been told by multiple doctors that if he breaks his nose again, his career is over.

That being said, he's trying to ease away from the mask this season I believe.

[Ginofan]

What I am say-ing is that Chauncy is classy and doesn't have to wear a plastic mask to feel superior. Some people look and act like MVP's on and off the floor.
Dressing up elevates peoples selfrespect and also demands respect from other people.

And Chauncy is sooo classy that he's even rumored to be involved in a gang-rape (http://www.igtc.com/archives/celtics/1999/Oct/msg00106.html), what a classy guy! Does he demand respect from you now?

[dbreiden83080]

If you think that the amount of money you have determines what you have a right to then I'd rather you not talk to me, thanks :)


Single dumbest quote of all time

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Single dumbest quote of all time


Reagonomics worked!

[MiNuS]

Okay I give up!!!!

Snoop Dogg,for President!

[Spurminator]

Single dumbest quote of all time

Silence the wealthy!!

Damn yankees.

[kris]

Ginofan sees the pattern that P5MK and others are blinded too. This is about rights. I see David Stern as a boa constricter (sp?) further tightening his grip and inching towards the head. What will be next for the NBA? No rediculous hairstyles like Ben Wallace? That's not professional, right?

If someone comes up with a rule and everybody just follows it, where do the checks lie? David Stern at least needs to feel backlash from his rediculous dress code to know that resistance will be there next time he decides to tighten individual freedom.

Kip said something like if a rule comes up, you follow it. What kind of way of thinking is that? Think for yourself. That's why some kids have been molested by adult authority figures. You don't follow everything just because someone from above tells you to do it. I think the dress code is flat out stupid, but Stern's actions speak louder than the issue at hand. He wants everybody to conform to what he wants. He has to have it exactly so. In a business like the NBA, that's not how it goes.

Would you do something just because a police officer told you to do it? I wouldn't.

[PM5K]

Ginofan sees the pattern that P5MK and others are blinded too. This is about rights. I see David Stern as a boa constricter (sp?) further tightening his grip and inching towards the head. What will be next for the NBA? No rediculous hairstyles like Ben Wallace? That's not professional, right?

If someone comes up with a rule and everybody just follows it, where do the checks lie? David Stern at least needs to feel backlash from his rediculous dress code to know that resistance will be there next time he decides to tighten individual freedom.

Kip said something like if a rule comes up, you follow it. What kind of way of thinking is that? Think for yourself. That's why some kids have been molested by adult authority figures. You don't follow everything just because someone from above tells you to do it. I think the dress code is flat out stupid, but Stern's actions speak louder than the issue at hand. He wants everybody to conform to what he wants. He has to have it exactly so. In a business like the NBA, that's not how it goes.

Would you do something just because a police officer told you to do it? I wouldn't.

Blah, blah, blah.....

It's in the CBA, the Players Union represents the players and they agreed to this...

[phyzik]

Well, Since Kori is only leaving 1 dress code thread, and Im guessing this is it, ABC on channel 13 (time warner) is about to talk about the dress code in the NBA.

I think right after the women breast cancer segment which is on now.

*edited*

ok, next is something about same-sex marrage books in school, I know its going to come on though.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Ginofan sees the pattern that P5MK and others are blinded too. This is about rights. I see David Stern as a boa constricter (sp?) further tightening his grip and inching towards the head. What will be next for the NBA? No rediculous hairstyles like Ben Wallace? That's not professional, right?

If someone comes up with a rule and everybody just follows it, where do the checks lie? David Stern at least needs to feel backlash from his rediculous dress code to know that resistance will be there next time he decides to tighten individual freedom.

Kip said something like if a rule comes up, you follow it. What kind of way of thinking is that? Think for yourself. That's why some kids have been molested by adult authority figures. You don't follow everything just because someone from above tells you to do it. I think the dress code is flat out stupid, but Stern's actions speak louder than the issue at hand. He wants everybody to conform to what he wants. He has to have it exactly so. In a business like the NBA, that's not how it goes.

Would you do something just because a police officer told you to do it? I wouldn't.
what a load of crap! Spare us the "civil rights" speech!! Its in the same stupid category as Jacksons "racism" claim! I say keep increasing the fines until those morons learn that not everything has to go their way!

[Spurminator]

Yeah! Fuck those richie riches!

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

what a load of crap! Spare us the "civil rights" speech!! Its in the same stupid category as Jacksons "racism" claim! I say keep increasing the fines until those morons learn that not everything has to go their way!

Oh, yeah, let's make the players wear suits because it will make them better persons, no more thugs as soon as they wear a suit. But let's leave Stern, owners, refs, fans, coaches, mascots, journalists and cheerleaders look like dorks with their clothes on, oh wait, they are just dressing what's accepted by the dork majority, so that's ok.

[phyzik]

Blah, blah, blah.....

It's in the CBA, the Players Union represents the players and they agreed to this...

actually, its NOT anywhere in the CBA, but that doesnt mean anything because the NBA doesnt NEED the Players Union approval to institute a dress code, the NBA was just being polite by showing it to the Players Union before it was passed.

[phyzik]

Lebron and Kobe get it

[RichieRich]

Yeah! Fuck those richie riches!

:cuss

[exstatic]

I think Tim needs to go to a thrift store, buy the ugliest, greenest leisure suit, and have DRESS CODE embroidered on each huge lapel.

[ShoogarBear]

Man, I would pay cash money to have Rodman be back in the league now.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Oh, yeah, let's make the players wear suits because it will make them better persons, no more thugs as soon as they wear a suit. But let's leave Stern, owners, refs, fans, coaches, mascots, journalists and cheerleaders look like dorks with their clothes on, oh wait, they are just dressing what's accepted by the dork majority, so that's ok.
it has nothing to do with that! The NBA is an organization, and the players work for that organization. IF THE NBA DEEMS NECESARY THAT THE PLAYERS LOOK MORE PROFESSIONAL, THEN THE PLAYERS HAVE TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FOLLOW THE CODE IMPLEMENTED! Christ! They get payed more than what 99% of the planet will ever see in a life time, and they still have the nerve to complain about a stupid fucking dress code?? I just don't get it!

[SequSpur]

Duncan needs to stfu like he always has.

He had his chance to be the spokesman of the NBA and be more of a marketing force in today's world.

But he chooses to hide behind the curtain. WGAF. Like I said before.

[ShoogarBear]

it has nothing to do with that! The NBA is an organization, and the players work for that organization. IF THE NBA DEEMS NECESARY THAT THE PLAYERS LOOK MORE PROFESSIONAL, THEN THE PLAYERS HAVE TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FOLLOW THE CODE IMPLEMENTED! Christ! They get payed more than what 99% of the planet will ever see in a life time, and they still have the nerve to complain about a stupid fucking dress code?? I just don't get it!


Nice logic. If you make a lot of money, you lose the right to complain.

Therefore, NBA owners and corporate executives, who make more money than 99.999999% of the planet will ever see in a lifetime, should STFU and stop complaining about the players.

[ObiwanGinobili]

it has nothing to do with that! The NBA is an organization, and the players work for that organization. IF THE NBA DEEMS NECESARY THAT THE PLAYERS LOOK MORE PROFESSIONAL, THEN THE PLAYERS HAVE TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FOLLOW THE CODE IMPLEMENTED! Christ! They get payed more than what 99% of the planet will ever see in a life time, and they still have the nerve to complain about a stupid fucking dress code?? I just don't get it!



:tu :tu :tu :tu :tu :tu :tu

[ObiwanGinobili]

Lebron and Kobe get it


and believe me.. it kills my very soul that I am shaking my head inagreement with Kobe Bryant while watching the evening news...... but the dude is right.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

it has nothing to do with that! The NBA is an organization, and the players work for that organization. IF THE NBA DEEMS NECESARY THAT THE PLAYERS LOOK MORE PROFESSIONAL, THEN THE PLAYERS HAVE TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FOLLOW THE CODE IMPLEMENTED! Christ! They get payed more than what 99% of the planet will ever see in a life time, and they still have the nerve to complain about a stupid fucking dress code?? I just don't get it!

The NBA can deem necesary that players should give blowjobs to donkeys before games as new warm-up method, oh yeah, the players should shut up and follow...well, maybe Cuttino and Stevie would...

Getting paid a lot isn't a crime by which you should be forced to do whatever the league says, the players don't set their wages, owners do.

[SpursWoman]

I look at being able to wear jeans & flip flops to work as a perk. And I don't work at Splashtown or whatever. :)

I think it's a little over the top, and nicer clothes don't make a thug any less of a thug, but if they agreed to it than they need to adhere to the rules. If they don't like it, then perhaps they should be a little more involved in the next CBA go-around.

It may be what he wanted, but this isn't all Big Bad Stern holding the little guy down, it was negotiated in the CBA. I wonder what benefit the players wanted and got in exchange for that concession? And are any rules at all for owners included in the CBA? If not, why should a dress code extend to them also? Mark Cuban aside, you rarely see them.

[NASHville]

The NBA can deem necesary that players should give blowjobs to donkeys before games as new warm-up method, oh yeah, the players should shut up and follow...well, maybe Cuttino and Stevie would...

Getting paid a lot isn't a crime by which you should be forced to do whatever the league says, the players don't set their wages, owners do.

And the owners sign the checks. Now STFU, get dressed and and move on.

[Ginofan]

I look at being able to wear jeans & flip flops to work as a perk. And I don't work at Splashtown or whatever. :)

I think it's a little over the top, and nicer clothes don't make a thug any less of a thug, but if they agreed to it than they need to adhere to the rules. If they don't like it, then perhaps they should be a little more involved in the next CBA go-around.

It may be what he wanted, but this isn't all Big Bad Stern holding the little guy down, it was negotiated in the CBA. I wonder what benefit the players wanted and got in exchange for that concession? And are any rules at all for owners included in the CBA? If not, why should a dress code extend to them also? Mark Cuban aside, you rarely see them.

I thought it wasn't included in the CBA? :wtf Argh, I'm gonna have to go look it up myself, I keep reading different things.

[Kori Ellis]

It was supposedly part of the negotitations this summer. But I don't see anything about the dress code actually in the final agreement.

[Ginofan]

Yeah I'm looking at it now, and I don't see it either.

Found a quote from Richard Jefferson that answered my question before I found the actual CBA documentation. Link (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051019/SPORTS/510190485/1002)



Nets forward Richard Jefferson said he was pleased that suits were not required, as previously believed.

"The initial dress code was with suits to and from games and shootaround and (stuff) like that," Jefferson said. "But we knew it wasn't going to go down like that.

"Notice how this thing got snuck in after the CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) was already put in. This is a major thing. . . . We knew that there was no way we were going to completely get bogarted and have to wear suits everywhere to and from because that's a part of the deal."

[sanman53]

"...BUT WHO AM I?" --Tim Duncan

Thats funny, Timmy D! I was waiting to see what he had to say about this. Good stuff.

I wonder what Big Dave (David Robinson) would say about the dress code? You think he would complain or approve? Not comparing Timmy to Dave, just wondering what he (Dave) would say about it?

[Spam]

David always dressed to impress.

[Spurminator]

:lol

David wore some of the tackiest shit I've ever seen.

[SpursWoman]

It looks like it's not in the CBA after all ... I had read elsewhere that it was. Apparently this is just a new little twist.



Since that's the case, that's crap. :)

[MaNuMaNiAc]

The NBA can deem necesary that players should give blowjobs to donkeys before games as new warm-up method, oh yeah, the players should shut up and follow...well, maybe Cuttino and Stevie would...

Getting paid a lot isn't a crime by which you should be forced to do whatever the league says, the players don't set their wages, owners do. If you think by making idiotic analogies you're proving a point, you're dead wrong. I never said players should do EVERYTHING they are asked to. If the rule is unfair then by all means complain. BUT A MILDLY STRICT DRESS CODE IS NOT FUCKING UNFAIR CONSIDERING ALL THE OTHER PERKS THAT COME WITH THAT JOB!! Players need to STFU and realise they are in a position to set a good example. Wearing a suit never killed anyone! Christ, you'd think they were being harassed by all the commotion!! THEY'RE JUST REQUIRED TO WEAR A FUCKING SUIT!! I wear a suit to work every day for crying out loud! Why should they be excempt from following a dress code implemented by their employers when most normal people aren't.

P.S You know what happens if you complain about wearing a suit on any other line of work that requires it. YOU GET CANNED! Maybe that should happen to some of these guys, it would help their ego back down to a healthy level. Right now, they're just being pampered little girls.

[dbreiden83080]

I don't know what Duncan is even talking about here. He is saying that he may stay in the locker room when he is not playing to avoid the dress code. The only difference is the sportcoat when you are not playing and sitting on the bench. When he shows up to home/away games he still has to wear dress shirt and dress pants/jeans and dress shoes regardless. So the sportcoat is a deal breaker for him on this issue, give me a break. Stern is serious here he said flat out those who do not conform should look for a new line of work, i love Timmy but he needs to get with the program.

[scott]

What a pussy ass crybaby Duncan is being. If it were KG, Kobe, or TMac and not Duncan who has a problem with the dress code, you'd all agree - but since it is our guy that is being a pansy look how many rush out to defend him.

The NBA can dictate to their employees (yes, the NBA is a business with franchises, and players are employees of those franchises and thus the NBA) what to wear as representives of the team and if Tim Duncan doesn't want to adhere, he is more than welcome to find another job that pays him $8 million a year. I don't know what he studied at Wake Forest, but I'd venture to say he isn't going to land a CEO position for a Fortune 100 company any time soon.

[phyzik]

for the last time, its not in the CBA. It was never remotely a part of the CBA. It was just passed along to the Players Union as a courtesy to let them know whats going on and nothing more.


New York Knicks forward Antonio Davis, president of the NBA players union, said the league did not need the union's approval to institute a dress code. "They're being nice to run it by us," Davis said. - USAToday 10/17/05

[Obstructed_View]

I'll defend all the NBA players who have said anything about the dress code: All of them were answering a question by a reporter. They are entitled to the same opinions that everyone else has about the subject. They don't have to like it to abide by it. They also don't have to keep their mouths shut about it. It's been handled very, very badly by the NBA and is probably going to end up overshadowing at least the beginning of a great season.

[Marcus Bryant]

So let's get this straight. It's imperative that the NBA institute a dress code so that we don't see the players' tattoos while half naked in the 5 seconds we see them walking to the arena prior to a game. But it doesn't matter for the 2 hours that they spend playing the game...half naked and with tattoos for all to see.

It's also obvious that the NBA is the only major US pro sport that is in need of a dress code. After all, it's only casual dress by young black males that is a threat to the well being of professional sport and, in general, this country.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

So let's get this straight. It's imperative that the NBA institute a dress code so that we don't see the players' tattoos while half naked in the 5 seconds we see them walking to the arena prior to a game. But it doesn't matter for the 2 hours that they spend playing the game...half naked and with tattoos for all to see.

It's also obvious that the NBA is the only major US pro sport that is in need of a dress code. After all, it's only casual dress by young black males that is a threat to the well being of professional sport and, in general, this country.
yeah that's right

[howbouthemspurs]

I agree with Duncan 100%.... I also think that the new dress code has Racial agendas. Its primarly targeting the black hip black culture.

[AI-square]

So let's get this straight. It's imperative that the NBA institute a dress code so that we don't see the players' tattoos while half naked in the 5 seconds we see them walking to the arena prior to a game. But it doesn't matter for the 2 hours that they spend playing the game...half naked and with tattoos for all to see.

It's also obvious that the NBA is the only major US pro sport that is in need of a dress code. After all, it's only casual dress by young black males that is a threat to the well being of professional sport and, in general, this country.

You make a hell of a lot of sense.

[DesiSpur_21]

"I mean, it's cool. It's not real harsh. It just changes the image a little. Guys just got to grow up I guess. They're just trying to exclude some things. It's simple to me. Guys need to go out and buy some clothes and start something new.''
-- Celtics guard Ricky Davis, quoted in the Oct. 19 Boston Herald


Oh yeah - I'll start thinking Ricky Davis is not nuts. What a loser



"I think they're coming on way too strict. Movie stars in L.A., they're not always in jackets and ties, and they're setting trends, and we're looked at in the same light."
-- Timberwolves forward Wally Szczerbiak, quoted in the Oct. 7 Minneapolis Star-Tribune


Right man. It makes sense for you to think this way because you'll be on bench setting "trends" in dressing.

[DesiSpur_21]

I don't hate or like Jason Richardson, but this quote is kinda cool.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2198089



"One thing to me that was kind of racist was you can't wear chains outside your clothing. I don't understand what that has to do with being business approachable. ... You wear a suit, you still could be a crook. You see all what happened with Enron and Martha Stewart. Just because you dress a certain way doesn't mean you're that way. Hey, a guy could come in with baggy jeans, a 'do rag and have a Ph.D. and a person who comes in with a suit could be a three-time felon."

[smeagol]

The NBA can deem necesary that players should give blowjobs to donkeys before games as new warm-up method, oh yeah, the players should shut up and follow...well, maybe Cuttino and Stevie would...

Getting paid a lot isn't a crime by which you should be forced to do whatever the league says, the players don't set their wages, owners do.
huh?

Farfetched analogy if I ever saw one.

[smeagol]

What a pussy ass crybaby Duncan is being. If it were KG, Kobe, or TMac and not Duncan who has a problem with the dress code, you'd all agree - but since it is our guy that is being a pansy look how many rush out to defend him.

The NBA can dictate to their employees (yes, the NBA is a business with franchises, and players are employees of those franchises and thus the NBA) what to wear as representives of the team and if Tim Duncan doesn't want to adhere, he is more than welcome to find another job that pays him $8 million a year. I don't know what he studied at Wake Forest, but I'd venture to say he isn't going to land a CEO position for a Fortune 100 company any time soon.
What he said.

[TDMVPDPOY]

tHATS DR.DUNCAN TO YOU, didnt he graduated with a pshycology degree?

[DesiSpur_21]

Mark Cuban has responded to reader comments to his blog about dress code.

http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/1234000287064079/

[Jimcs50]

What a pussy ass crybaby Duncan is being. If it were KG, Kobe, or TMac and not Duncan who has a problem with the dress code, you'd all agree - but since it is our guy that is being a pansy look how many rush out to defend him.

The NBA can dictate to their employees (yes, the NBA is a business with franchises, and players are employees of those franchises and thus the NBA) what to wear as representives of the team and if Tim Duncan doesn't want to adhere, he is more than welcome to find another job that pays him $8 million a year. I don't know what he studied at Wake Forest, but I'd venture to say he isn't going to land a CEO position for a Fortune 100 company any time soon.

Tim is being chastized on every national radio talk show. First Dan Patrick show, now Mike an Mike weighed in on it. I can not believe Pop could not step in and tell his star to just plead the 5th on the subject before anyone says something that might bite them in the ass. TD just pulled himself out of classy superstar status to just being another rich spoiled brat.


Somebody needs to get Tim a bracelet that has the letters, WWDRD

What would David Robinson do?

Well, I will tell you one thing, he would never have made himself look like a total bitch like this.

TD, I am surprised at you.

:depressed

[boutons]

"WWDRD"

As David said, he would dress however his wife told him to dress, which was apparently up compared with Dave's preference for dressing down. :)

WWDRWD: What Would David Robinson's Wife Do? :)

[Jimcs50]

Top 3 all time stupid quote from NBA players:

Sprewell- "I need to feed my family."

Camby- We should get a clothing allowance."

TD- "I will stay in lockerroom instead of sitting on the bench."

:rolleyes

[Summers]

Damn, Jim, you're being hard on Timmy.

I was very surprised he said what he did out loud to reporters, but I guess how disappointed you are in him depends on whether or not you agree with him. I happen to agree with him, though I wish he'd stated his position a bit more eloquently. :) And, yes, the little part about sitting in the locker room is nonsense. Let's hope he was joking about that.

[DesiSpur_21]

Tim is being chastized on every national radio talk show. First Dan Patrick show, now Mike an Mike weighed in on it. I can not believe Pop could not step in and tell his star to just plead the 5th on the subject before anyone says something that might bite them in the ass. TD just pulled himself out of classy superstar status to just being another rich spoiled brat.


Somebody needs to get Tim a bracelet that has the letters, WWDRD

What would David Robinson do?

Well, I will tell you one thing, he would never have made himself look like a total bitch like this.

TD, I am surprised at you.

:depressed


Oh yeah ?? Howb't rich spoiled pussies accepting hitleristic rule like NBA can impose anything they like just because they you?? Suckers I would say.

Did Tim say anything that is racist or controversial? He just told what he told about the whole issue. Tim would care less if Media thinks he is bitching around. They don't love him anyway because he doesn't bad mouth (and that's what the media wants)

It's sad most who are involved (nba, players, fans, writers etc) thinks dressing up cleans NBA image no matter how many wife-beaters, 'pot'tters, alleged rapists wrap around themselves in a suit.

Hypocrites.

[easjer]

I'm just so amused that people seem to think that folks with money are not allowed to speak their minds on a decision that would affect them.

Y'all realize that historically, it's the folks with NO money that don't get any say in things, right? And that not having the same basic right as others because of the amount of money one has is wrong, yeah? And that would apply not only to the poor but also the wealthy?

What a mixed up argument that is. Argue that they are being petty or childish, that they have to do what their bosses want, hell, even that they are privileged to play basketball and should be willing to wear a sport coat for that opportunity. But please, don't argue that their basic rights as human beings to have and express an opinion are variable dependant on how much money the make.

[Jimcs50]

Damn, Jim, you're being hard on Timmy.

I was very surprised he said what he did out loud to reporters, but I guess how disappointed you are in him depends on whether or not you agree with him. I happen to agree with him, though I wish he'd stated his position a bit more eloquently. :) And, yes, the little part about sitting in the locker room is nonsense. Let's hope he was joking about that.

I know he was not serious, that is my point. We know TD, but everyone outside the Spurs' world does not. I will have to be an apologist for him now. He just gave more amunition for all the anti-rich pro athletes that are so prevalent today. In todays' world, what you say to the media can bite you in the ass and you can be judged and sentenced to PR prison by the fans for one stupid utterance, that you really did not mean.


TD needs to accept the fact that he is a superstar and what he says or does to placed under the microscope and that can and will reflect upon him forever. I jusy hate that a Spur is being raked over the coals and being put in the same category of Sprewell and other spoiled athlletes in todays world.

[Spurminator]

Has it occurred to anyone that maybe Duncan and Camby were half joking? I mean do you really think Duncan is going to stay in the locker room so he can wear jeans? They were bitching about this on Mike & MIke too. Christ.

[easjer]

What a pussy ass crybaby Duncan is being. If it were KG, Kobe, or TMac and not Duncan who has a problem with the dress code, you'd all agree - but since it is our guy that is being a pansy look how many rush out to defend him.

The NBA can dictate to their employees (yes, the NBA is a business with franchises, and players are employees of those franchises and thus the NBA) what to wear as representives of the team and if Tim Duncan doesn't want to adhere, he is more than welcome to find another job that pays him $8 million a year. I don't know what he studied at Wake Forest, but I'd venture to say he isn't going to land a CEO position for a Fortune 100 company any time soon.


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. That statement is untrue. I disagree with the dress code because I have issues with the rules, the timing, the motivations, the intentions, and the potential results. I would feel the same way I do now if every member of the Spurs organization stood up and exalted in how much they love the new dress code and how great it is.

I have no problem with the idea that the league gets to tell people how to dress on the bench or for interviews. That is their perogative. My problems come in with what I feel is excessive - sports coats, attire to and from the bus, no sneakers, not being allowed to wear chains outside their clothing, and the idea that this somehow makes basketball more professional.

Let's not make assinine assumptions, mmmmmkay? You have every right to your opinion and to be disappointed in Tim, but those of us who disagree with you have substantive reasons for that disagreement that are not predicated on how the star of the team we support feels about it.

[Kori Ellis]

Shaq was joking when he said that he banged Cindy Crawford and one of the Williams' sisters too. But you guys didn't forgive him for being stupid in front of the media.

You can't have stuff both ways. You can't say, "More power to Timmy for speaking his mind." and then when he gets backlash say, "Oh you guys are so crazy. OF COURSE he was joking."

[Spurminator]

I think Scott missed out on the first few days of the argument. Plenty of people expressed the same sentiments as Duncan before Duncan said a word.

[Jimcs50]

Did Tim say anything that is racist or controversial? He just told what he told about the whole issue. Tim would care less if Media thinks he is bitching around. They don't love him anyway because he doesn't bad mouth (and that's what the media wants)


That is not the point. That is like saying that a rapist should not be judged too harshly because he could have killed the victim too, but did not. :rolleyes

I mean, why can't the NBA players just do this one thing to help out their league, a league that they owe their livelihood to??? It is not like they are asking them to wear tuxedos. Damn, they just do not want them to wear torn jeans and teeshirts, for Godsake. Damn, they make a lot of money and the league feels a need to to improve their image...just do it and STFU. The do owe their league some respect, just as we all to to our various companies.

Is that so hard to ask???

[Spurminator]

Whether it's hard to ask or not doesn't enter into it.

[Spurminator]

Just drink from the other fountain. Is that so hard to ask?

[Kori Ellis]

I have some questions. In the initial articles about the dress code it was repeatedly said, "it was part of the CBA negotiations this summer". I kept looking throughout the CBA and there's no mention of the dress code at all. So .. was this NOT approved by the player reps at all and just discussed between the owners and league? Or was it negotiated with the owners, player reps, and the league and just not part of the CBA?

Or what happened exactly?

Because a large part of many people's arguments (include my own at times) was that the players union approved it. Did they?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

So would the Spurs have to be in long sleeves and sport coats for the championship parade down the Riverwalk? Is that an official event or is that strictly a team thing? Because if the Spurs repeat they're going to nothing but puddles by the time they get to the stadium.

What I think has pissed me off the most about this whole thing is that it's really so out of the blue. This marriage of hip hop culture and the NBA happened under Stern's watch after all, and NOW he's suddenly compelled to do something about it. What chaps my hide the most is that he's trying to clean up the image of the NBA but on three occasions in the last seven years he's been standing next to his answer. Only instead of pushing the Spurs to the forefront and holding them up as an example of the quality human beings in the league, he looks like he's sick to his stomach just to be saying the words "San Antonio" and "champion" in the same sentence.

You want to market the game to middle America? Don't piss off half of your employees with a stupid dress code that does jack shit for the problem-see what you can do about getting the Spurs some more air time, dickweed.

[Jimcs50]

So would the Spurs have to be in long sleeves and sport coats for the championship parade down the Riverwalk? Is that an official event or is that strictly a team thing? Because if the Spurs repeat they're going to nothing but puddles by the time they get to the stadium.

Damn, you people are a bunch of whiney bitches.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WEAR LONG SLEEVE DRESS SHIRTS, AND SPORTS COATS!!!

No torn jeans, no teeshirts. Just dress casual....what is so fucking hard about that???? Do I wear torn jeans to work??? I own my own business and I can wear a freaking dress if I choose to, but I repect the job and I dress professionally....is that asking too much, seriously???????

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Damn, you people are a bunch of whiney bitches.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WEAR LONG SLEEVE DRESS SHIRTS, AND SPORTS COATS!!!

No torn jeans, no teeshirts. Just dress casual....what is so fucking hard about that???? Do I wear torn jeans to work??? I own my own business and I can wear a freaking dress if I choose to, but I repect the job and I dress professionally....is that asking too much, seriously???????

Geez, Jim. Take a deep breath. I'm just trying to work out the details here to see how much forethought was actually put into this dress code. The more I find out the more it just seems slapped together and poorly planned. Sorry to put sand under your saddle. :angel

[Spurminator]

I own my own business and I can wear a freaking dress if I choose to, but I repect the job and I dress professionally....

What the hell is so virtuous about dressing "professionally"? Why do we look more fondly upon uncomfortable clothing? It's such an archaic mindset.

And what if you had a boss that came in and suddenly required you to wear cornrows in your hair in order to attract more African American business, or some other awkward and condescending rule that goes against what you're used to?

[Jimcs50]

Geez, Jim. Take a deep breath. I'm just trying to work out the details here to see how much forethought was actually put into this dress code. The more I find out the more it just seems slapped together and poorly planned. Sorry to put sand under your saddle. :angel

sorry man.
:)

I am just pissed off because I have to deal with apologizing for all the crap that NBA players do, because I love the NBA and so many white bigots hate the NBA because they think they are all just a bunch of rich black men who all travel with the ball nowadays, palm the ball and just play one on one, "what is in in for me, what can I do to get on Sports Center" stuff.

I always said that my Spurs are not like that, they are classy, they are old school, team first all for one, one for all...

And now, I will have to hear all about TD and his stupid remark to the world...it pisses me off.

[Spurminator]

I bet some of them put them on when they left the restaurant.

[Spurminator]

I am just pissed off because I have to deal with apologizing for all the crap that NBA players do, because I love the NBA and so many white bigots hate the NBA because they think they are all just a bunch of rich black men who all travel with the ball nowadays, palm the ball and just play one on one, "what is in in for me, what can I do to get on Sports Center" stuff.

And now you want the NBA to cave to those bigots?

This validates their bigotry. Fuck 'em.

[Jimcs50]

What the hell is so virtuous about dressing "professionally"? Why do we look more fondly upon uncomfortable clothing? It's such an archaic mindset.

And what if you had a boss that came in and suddenly required you to wear cornrows in your hair in order to attract more African American business, or some other awkward and condescending rule that goes against what you're used to?

Spurm....you are just being ridiculous.

Keep it in perspective, for Godsake.

:rolleyes

[Spurminator]

Spurm....you are just being ridiculous.

Keep it in perspective, for Godsake.

:rolleyes

What's ridiculous about it?

[Kori Ellis]

The more I find out the more it just seems slapped together and poorly planned.

Why do you think that?

It seems like it was planned out pretty extensively to me. I just don't know who negotiated it.

[Jimcs50]

And now you want the NBA to cave to those bigots?

This validates their bigotry. Fuck 'em.


Like it or not, in Texas, bigots are everywhere. I know, I hear shit all the time.

[Jimcs50]

What's ridiculous about it?

comparing wearing dress jeans and collared shirt to having to wear cornrows is not ridiculous????

[Spurminator]

What's so hard about wearing cornrows?

[Spurminator]

Like it or not, in Texas, bigots are everywhere. I know, I hear shit all the time.

I'm aware of that. So why make rules meant to cater to their bigotry?

[Jimcs50]

What's so hard about wearing cornrows?

Spurm, have you been up all night celebrating the Astros' win????

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

sorry man.
:)

I am just pissed off because I have to deal with apologizing for all the crap that NBA players do, because I love the NBA and so many white bigots hate the NBA because they think they are all just a bunch of rich black men who all travel with the ball nowadays, palm the ball and just play one on one, "what is in in for me, what can I do to get on Sports Center" stuff.

I always said that my Spurs are not like that, they are classy, they are old school, team first all for one, one for all...

And now, I will have to hear all about TD and his stupid remark to the world...it pisses me off.

Well I'm with you on everyone blowing Tim's comments out of proportion. They were clearly said in the heat of the moment (Tim called the policy "retarded". You think he really thought those words out?) There was a similar shit storm when he said "I don't wear a coat and tie" a week or two ago, but when you actually watched the interview he was clearly joking. Tim will be on the sidelines. He might not be happy about it, but he'll do what's right for the team. Anyone who would doubt the professionalism of Tim Duncan should be forced to wear a long sleeve shirt and sportcoat for eternity.

[nkdlunch]

sorry man.
:)

I am just pissed off because I have to deal with apologizing for all the crap that NBA players do, because I love the NBA and so many white bigots hate the NBA because they think they are all just a bunch of rich black men who all travel with the ball nowadays, palm the ball and just play one on one, "what is in in for me, what can I do to get on Sports Center" stuff.

I always said that my Spurs are not like that, they are classy, they are old school, team first all for one, one for all...

And now, I will have to hear all about TD and his stupid remark to the world...it pisses me off.

No matter if all NBA players start going to church and practice santity. Those white biggots will still hate the NBA. I don't understand why someone would apologize to them for the league.

[Jimcs50]

I'm aware of that. So why make rules meant to cater to their bigotry?


Because those bigots spend millions of dollars on NBA sponcer companys, that is why.

[Spurminator]

Come on, man, you make good money. All your boss is asking you to do is get your hair done up in some rows. It'll help business.

;)

[ShoogarBear]

Damn, you people are a bunch of whiney bitches.

Definition of "whiny bitch" by Jim and the other clothing Nazis:

"Someone who doesn't agree with me ... wahwahwah".

[Kori Ellis]

comparing wearing dress jeans and collared shirt to having to wear cornrows is not ridiculous????

Just to keep things straight, Tim doesn't have a problem with the jeans/collared shirt part. He has a problem with the sportcoat/dress shoes part.

[Spurminator]

Because those bigots spend millions of dollars on NBA sponcer companys, that is why.

So ethics are determined by whoever can pay the most?

The NBA is in fine shape. It could do a lot to erode some of that bigotry if it wasn't so hellbent on sucking up to those who (sometimes unknowingly) practice it.

[ShoogarBear]

Like it or not, in Texas, bigots are everywhere. I know, I hear shit all the time.

Well, you aren't covering yourself in glory with your takes here.

So, Jim should baseball players have a dress code?

[Jimcs50]

I don't understand why someone would apologize to them for the league.

Because I love the NBA and I wish everyone would give it a chance and not just read about the negative crap that is so prevalent in the sports headlines. I mean, this TD quote is getting 100 times the play that DRob's 5 million dollar donation to the Carver Academy did....that is what we have to deal with...that is a fact of life. One stupid ill thought out remark can erase all the great selfless efforts of his predecessors...Is that fair? No, but it is a fact.

[Spurminator]

Updated ESPN poll......


4) Are you in favor of the dress code implemented by the NBA for its players?
58.9% Yes
41.1% No

10) Should the NFL, MLB and NHL use similar dress codes for their players?
54.7% No
45.3% Yes

Total Votes: 128,158


Unbelieveable.

[Kori Ellis]

Another thing that I read here yesterday quite a bit (particularly from AHF) is that the NFL has a dress code. As far as I could find, they don't. They just have team policies. Does anyone know what the case is exactly?

[Jimcs50]

Definition of "whiny bitch" by Jim and the other clothing Nazis:

"Someone who doesn't agree with me ... wahwahwah".

No, you can disagree, but when you whine about something so minor as having to wear decent looking clothing, you are over-reacting.

[easjer]

Because those bigots spend millions of dollars on NBA sponcer companys, that is why.

And that makes it ok?

Of course not. Hence some of my problems with the dress code. It is truly not just about wearing jeans a collared shirt. If it were, there would not be this outcry and heated debate over it.

Do I really think that Stern and Co are trying to turn the NBA into an acceptable facsimile of whiteness to appease bigots? No, not really. Do I see where others might think that? Yep. Do I see why people are offended and why people distrust the motivations behind the dress code? Hell yes.

Bad timing and bad decisions, imo.

[nkdlunch]

I myself, am glad Tim Duncan is not a mindless drone and doesn't accept every rule imparted on him like a slave. HE IS SPEAKING HIS MIND!!! He is not hurting anyone while doing it. If you want him to be a mindless drone, guess what? tough!

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Why do you think that?

It seems like it was planned out pretty extensively to me. I just don't know who negotiated it.

Well there's the sneaker thing, banning them when so many guys have endorsement deals that might contractually obligate them to wear the shoes all over the place.

There's the point raised about the young summer league guys who might suddenly have to revamp their wardrobe before they've really gotten paid.

And then there's the fact that Stern either overestimated his power to keep guys in line or misread how this would be received. Because this certainly isn't going to help the image of the league if the next two weeks are spent debating whether or not this is racist, whether or not their will be open rebellion to the policy by some of the league's biggest stars, and stuff like that. If anything this is going to alienate all the fans in some way. The young, hip hop crowd will be turned off by "da man" coming down on stars for dressing in a way that a lot of young fans relate to, while the middle age honkies out there will scoff at the players and say to their wives, "Well there you are, I knew they were just greedy thugs who hated authority."

And at the end of the day, the fans who just want to watch basketball games are still going to watch the games. I just don't see the upside in any of this.

[nkdlunch]

Updated ESPN poll......


4) Are you in favor of the dress code implemented by the NBA for its players?
58.9% Yes
41.1% No

10) Should the NFL, MLB and NHL use similar dress codes for their players?
54.7% No
45.3% Yes

Total Votes: 128,158


Unbelieveable.

There was another ESPN poll going on yesterday. That asked if you would allow players not to wear a jacket, and just slacks and a shirt. About 75% were in favor of this but MISTERIOUSLY the poll disappeared!

[Jimcs50]

Well, you aren't covering yourself in glory with your takes here.

So, Jim should baseball players have a dress code?

How do you mean???

Are you saying that I am a bigot?

I am the least bigoted white man in the freaking state of Texas, and if you knew me, you would agree.

[Spurminator]

No, you can disagree, but when you whine about something so minor as having to wear decent looking clothing, you are over-reacting.

I think when you make adults wear khakis and polos so that rich white suite buyers won't be intimidated by their "thuggish" apparel, THAT'S overreacting.

[ShoogarBear]

How do you mean???

Are you saying that I am a bigot?

I am the least bigoted white man in the freaking state of Texas, and if you knew me, you would agree.

So those black basketball players need to cave in to a dress code so society will think better of them?

How about this instead: society gets its collective head out of its ass and stops being so racist?

What's your answer to a dress code for baseball players or for NBA owners?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

And the whole NFL dress code thing, whether they have one or not, take a look at some of the "classy" stuff worn by guys like Michael Irvin or Freddie Mitchell and tell me that that's what appeals to middle America. They looked like pimps or drug dealers, which was kind of appropriate for Michael Irvin...but the point I'm trying to make is that you can still look ghetto and no class even in a suit.

[ShoogarBear]

Updated ESPN poll......


4) Are you in favor of the dress code implemented by the NBA for its players?
58.9% Yes
41.1% No

10) Should the NFL, MLB and NHL use similar dress codes for their players?
54.7% No
45.3% Yes

Total Votes: 128,158


Unbelieveable.

Res Ipsa Loquitur

[Jimcs50]

I myself, am glad Tim Duncan is not a mindless drone and doesn't accept every rule imparted on him like a slave. HE IS SPEAKING HIS MIND!!! He is not hurting anyone while doing it. If you want him to be a mindless drone, guess what? tough!


So, you never said anything when Sprewell said that he had to feed his family?

He was speaking his mind.

Like it or not, if you a superstar, you have reponsibilities that other lesser talented players do not have. When you say stupid selfish remarks, it reflects poorly on the Spurs' organization and on your league.

TD is getting barbecued fro this and he is a great guy, and that pisses me off.

I guess you guys have no pride in your Spurs always being known as good guys, team players, and selfless individuals....yes?

[Spurminator]

I guess you guys have no pride in your Spurs always being known as good guys, team players, and selfless individuals....yes?

I don't care if idiots like Duncan or not.

[nkdlunch]

So, you never said anything when Sprewell said that he had to feed his family?

He was speaking his mind.

Like it or not, if you a superstar, you have reponsibilities that other lesser talented players do not have. When you say stupid selfish remarks, it reflects poorly on the Spurs' organization and on your league.

TD is getting barbecued fro this and he is a great guy, and that pisses me off.

I guess you guys have no pride in your Spurs always being known as good guys, team players, and selfless individuals....yes?

"stupid selfish remarks" according to who??? only you. Nobody else was offended by Duncan's remarks. If we have a poll for who was offended by Duncan's remarks, you'd lose massively.

[Jimcs50]

So those black basketball players need to cave in to a dress code so society will think better of them?

How about this instead: society gets its collective head out of its ass and stops being so racist?

What's your answer to a dress code for baseball players or for NBA owners?


There has been bigotry since the beginning of time...it is ludicrous to think it will ever go away.

We have to live with it and just teach our own children that it is stupid to be a bigot. My son has never ever ever heard my wife or me say anything negative against a race or creed....well, perhaps, Muslims extemists:)

Teach your children well, and you do your own small part...but bigots teach their children what they believe and that is why it will aways be there.

[Jimcs50]

"stupid selfish remarks" according to who??? only you. Nobody else was offended by Duncan's remarks. If we have a poll for who was offended by Duncan's remarks, you'd lose massively.


Listen to ESPN.

[easjer]

I take great pride in my team. Tim Duncan's comments just don't strike me as all that outrageous, and DID strike me as a response to a question.

I'd take more umbrage if a) he'd called a press conference to make those statements and b) I disagreed with him. Manu Ginobli also criticized the comments, in that same article, but he's not getting fried. I assume that is because he didn't offer to stay in the locker room.

[ShoogarBear]

There has been bigotry since the beginning of time...it is ludicrous to think it will ever go away.

We have to live with it and just teach our own children that it is stupid to be a bigot. My son has never ever ever heard my wife or me say anything negative against a race or creed....well, perhaps, Muslims extemists:)

Teach your children well, and you do your own small part...but bigots teach their children what they believe and that is why it will aways be there.

But in this case, aren't you teaching children "black people need to be told how to dress, especially the ones with money"?

[Jimcs50]

I don't care if idiots like Duncan or not.

Well I do.

That is a difference betw us.

I repect your indifference.

I am finished here. I have to go to work...but first I have to go get my hair in cornrows.


:)

[nkdlunch]

Listen to ESPN.

Media Hype. Definition. A media circus is an event that occurs when an aspect of a popular news event receives almost ludicrously high levels of media attention. The image of a circus is thus evoked by the vast troop of reporters who are sent to cover the story, as well as a seemingly endless parade of pundits, spin doctors, and spokespeople.

Listen to ESPN, be ready for media hype.

[easjer]

One other thing re: Timmy. The media don't like him and never will. This just gives them some actual meat to chew on instead of vague feelings that he doesn't play with heart.

[Jimcs50]

But in this case, aren't you teaching children "black people need to be told how to dress, especially the ones with money"?

I have to answer this ludicrous question.

THEY ARE NOT ONLY MAKING THESE RULES FOR THE BLACK PLAYERS!!!!!

Christ almighty. :rolleyes

[Jimcs50]

Media Hype. Definition. A media circus is an event that occurs when an aspect of a popular news event receives almost ludicrously high levels of media attention. The image of a circus is thus evoked by the vast troop of reporters who are sent to cover the story, as well as a seemingly endless parade of pundits, spin doctors, and spokespeople.

Listen to ESPN, be ready for media hype.


You do not think the media sways public opinion?????

[Spurminator]

THEY ARE NOT ONLY MAKING THESE RULES FOR THE BLACK PLAYERS!!!!!

Of course they are. They're just making the Brent Barrys and Dirk Nowitzkis go along so it looks better.

[Jimcs50]

One other thing re: Timmy. The media don't like him and never will. This just gives them some actual meat to chew on instead of vague feelings that he doesn't play with heart.

The media never did not like TD. They misunderstood him. They did not get him, because he always appeared boring, when in fact he is quite funny and witty.

He is never going to be a media darling, but that is his chaoice, not the medias.

[Kori Ellis]

THEY ARE NOT ONLY MAKING THESE RULES FOR THE BLACK PLAYERS!!!!!

Of course not, but you can't deny that they are geared to ridding themselves of what they consider black thug clothing.

[Jimcs50]

Of course they are. They're just making the Brent Barrys and Dirk Nowitzkis go along so it looks better.

Now you are just jerking my chain. I wasted a freaking hour of my morning arguing with someone that probably agrees with me.

:flipoff

[Spurminator]

Jim, I appreciate your desire to see the Spurs to be respected nationally. But this will blow over, just like the brief time when David Robinson was called greedy for negotiating his last contract to 10mm/yr.

[ShoogarBear]

I have to answer this ludicrous question.

THEY ARE NOT ONLY MAKING THESE RULES FOR THE BLACK PLAYERS!!!!!

Christ almighty. :rolleyes

If you really believe this, you are truly naive.

Still notice you haven't answered (for the third time) the question about baseball players and NBA owners.

[Spurminator]

Now you are just jerking my chain. I wasted a freaking hour of my morning arguing with someone that probably agrees with me.


I don't think I agree with you at all. I'm saying the rules were MADE for black players, but enforced for all.

[nkdlunch]

Uhoh, this is getting interesting:


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2198089
OAKLAND, Calif. -- Jason Richardson wants to keep wearing his chains, and the Golden State Warriors guard believes the NBA's new dress code takes aim at black players in the league.

He is calling for the players' association to fight the new wardrobe rules announced this week that will go into effect when the season kicks off next month.

"They want to sway away from the hip-hop generation," Richardson said Wednesday night before the Warriors played the Phoenix Suns in a preseason game. "You think of hip-hop right now and think of things that happen like gangs having shootouts in front of radio stations.

"One thing to me that was kind of racist was you can't wear chains outside your clothing. I don't understand what that has to do with being business approachable. ... You wear a suit, you still could be a crook. You see all what happened with Enron and Martha Stewart. Just because you dress a certain way doesn't mean you're that way. Hey, a guy could come in with baggy jeans, a 'do rag and have a Ph.D. and a person who comes in with a suit could be a three-time felon."

[Old School Chic]

Duncan said he might choose to stay in the locker room on nights he isn't playing.

Or the nursery...

[phyzik]

yes, its all clear to me now, the entire world is against the black population! Everything in history, from the time man walked the earth, has been to subjugate our black brethren! Oh poor them!

Look, Im not saying these rules dont target a large part of young black culture, but to say its racist is flat out freaking rediculous.

Stricktly from a business standpoint, and Im aware this is taking it to the extreme, who would you rather have representing your company based stricty on their attire? Nothing to do with what type of business, how much they get paid or previous company rules.

This?
http://www.heavybronx.com/gallery/jpg/imam_thug.jpg


Or This?
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/Kobe-Bryant-and-victim-agree-to-settle-civil-suit-arton20321.jpg


The bottom line is this:

NBA = Business
players = Employees

The business can do whatever it feels is necessary, if the employees dont conform they are well in their rights to look for another job.

[ShoogarBear]

yes, its all clear to me now, the entire world is against the black population! Everything in history, from the time man walked the earth, has been to subjugate our black brethren! Oh poor them!

Nobody ever came close to saying anything like that, but you just said a lot about yourself. A lot of pent-up hostility there, eh?



Look, Im not saying these rules dont target a large part of young black culture, but to say its racist is flat out freaking rediculous.


Explain the ESPN poll then.

Better yet, tell us why there shouldn't be a dress code for the NBA owners and for baseball.



Stricktly from a business standpoint, and Im aware this is taking it to the extreme, who would you rather have representing your company based stricty on their attire? Nothing to do with what type of business, how much they get paid or previous company rules.


What they really want is a lot more of this:

http://media.canada.com/idl/sasp/20050509/178283-59634.jpg

I notice there were no concerns about dress codes in this picture.

[easjer]

I'd rather have an upstanding guy who does a lot for his communities, both monetarily and personally, in a t-shirt and jeans and flip-flops than Kobe Bryant in a suit.

That's my bottom line.

[Kori Ellis]

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/Kobe-Bryant-and-victim-agree-to-settle-civil-suit-arton20321.jpg

Phyzik, you'd rather see pictures of Kobe in a suit at a rape trial, than some guys wear "hip hop" clothing?

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/Kobe-Bryant-and-victim-agree-to-settle-civil-suit-arton20321.jpg





He presents himself so well.

[phyzik]

Nobody ever came close to saying anything like that, but you just said a lot about yourself. A lot of pent-up hostility there, eh?

called sarcasm, and no no one said it but alot of you are implying it.




Explain the ESPN poll then.

Better yet, tell us why there shouldn't be a dress code for the NBA owners and for baseball.

1. ESPN poll..... its ESPN, you read their message boards lately?

2. How often have you seen Pop, RC, Stern, P. Jackson, ect, ect wearing pants around their thighs, throwback jerseys (which I think are cool) and a doo rag when they are on the job? Besides that, Im sure something will be put in their that affects management somehow.

3. WTF does Baseball have to do with the NBA? They are 2 completely seperate entities.




What they really want is a lot more of this:

http://media.canada.com/idl/sasp/20050509/178283-59634.jpg

I notice there were no concerns about dress codes in this picture.

Nash has his shirt tucked out, picture doesnt show but I believe he was wearing jeans. Is that when he got the MVP trophy? That was like back in May before any of this crap started so your point is moot.

[Marcus Bryant]

What they really want is a lot more of this:

http://media.canada.com/idl/sasp/20050509/178283-59634.jpg

I notice there were no concerns about dress codes in this picture.


No kidding. Nash looked like he just stepped out from under a highway overpass during all of last season. Stern is so fucking transparent with this move it isn't funny. It makes middle aged, upper middle class white men think that the league is really cracking down on those 'rowdy negroes'. That's what Stern wants because that's who buys a lot of suites, season tickets and who a number of sponsors target for their products and services.

[phyzik]

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/Kobe-Bryant-and-victim-agree-to-settle-civil-suit-arton20321.jpg

Phyzik, you'd rather see pictures of Kobe in a suit at a rape trial, than some guys wear "hip hop" clothing?

your taking my point out of context. I realize WHEN the picture was taken, what Im asking is to look at the clothing and nothing else... Apparently no one can seem to grasp that concept here. Maybe picking an image of Kobe wasnt such a great idea but it was the best I could come up with in a short ammount of time, Im not gonna waste 20 min. looking for a better image when, if people can use their imagination, this will do just fine.

[Kori Ellis]

your taking my point out of context. I realize WHEN the picture was taken, what Im asking is to look at the clothing and nothing else... Apparently no one can seem to grasp that concept here.

I get the concept, but you picked a horrendous example.

I don't have any problem with the clothing in the top picture or Kobe's suit.

[nkdlunch]

2. How often have you seen Pop, RC, Stern, P. Jackson, ect, ect wearing pants around their thighs, throwback jerseys (which I think are cool) and a doo rag when they are on the job? Besides that, Im sure something will be put in their that affects management somehow.


http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/jack_mccallum/03/24/programs/t1_cuban.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/199/2524/640/GeorgeKarl.jpg

[easjer]

called sarcasm, and no no one said it but alot of you are implying it.



Gee, I wonder if that could possibly be because of what the motivations behind the dress codes infer or maybe because of what was targeted in the dress code. No, probably we just like to scream about racism.


3. WTF does Baseball have to do with the NBA? They are 2 completely seperate entities.


The point is that the vast majority of basketball players are young black men, while the vast majority of baseball players are young white men. The fact that people seem to find a dress code appropriate for basketball but not baseball indicates that there is a racist or prejudicial slant to the dress code.


Nash has his shirt tucked out, picture doesnt show but I believe he was wearing jeans. Is that when he got the MVP trophy? That was like back in May before any of this crap started so your point is moot.

The point (not even made by me) is NOT moot - because this paragon of professionalism, who does amazing work in his team communities as well as his hometown, and is generally considered to be a really great all around stand up guy is in violation of the new dress code while receiving a major award. People keep arguring about professionalism in basketball and appearance. According to those arguments, Nash's appearance clearly indicates that he is not a professional person. But that is ridiculous - and this photo highlights what is stupid about the reasoning behind the dress code (which is what makes so many people here angry with it).

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/jack_mccallum/03/24/programs/t1_cuban.jpg

:lol :lol :lol

This picture looks like AJ took some special needs kid down there for a tour of the stadium.

"See Mark, this is where the players warm up."

"I love bassidbowl! Weeeeeeee!"

[phyzik]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/jack_mccallum/03/24/programs/t1_cuban.jpg

:lol :lol

ok, but we all know Cuban is the red headed step child of the NBA.

[Marcus Bryant]

3. WTF does Baseball have to do with the NBA? They are 2 completely seperate entities.

MLB players often dress like hell but we don't see them incurring the wrath of the league for it.





Nash has his shirt tucked out, picture doesnt show but I believe he was wearing jeans. Is that when he got the MVP trophy? That was like back in May before any of this crap started so your point is moot.

What the fuck? You receive an award for being the best player in the league and you show up dressed casually?

But it's white casual, not black casual.

Not hard to see what's going on.

[phyzik]

The point (not even made by me) is NOT moot - because this paragon of professionalism, who does amazing work in his team communities as well as his hometown, and is generally considered to be a really great all around stand up guy is in violation of the new dress code while receiving a major award. People keep arguring about professionalism in basketball and appearance. According to those arguments, Nash's appearance clearly indicates that he is not a professional person. But that is ridiculous - and this photo highlights what is stupid about the reasoning behind the dress code (which is what makes so many people here angry with it).

The point IS moot because at the time of that award there was no dress code. To use that image, which again was taken back in MAY before the dress code was even mentioned, as a basis for your arguement that it is somehow a one sided rule is totally unfair.

as far as MLB, again, ITS A DIFFERENT BUSINESS!!! If freaking McDonalds starts telling its employees to wear ties, are you going to ask why BK or Jack in the Box isnt doing the same thing? Please. That sounds childish.

Mommy, why do I have to do that when they dont? whaaa. :rolleyes

[Marcus Bryant]

This discussion recalls an ancedote. A friend of mine said that his dad went to a Rockets game in the Toyota Center. His dad is in his 50s, works for a large company and I think had some pretty damn good seats. My friend asked him how he liked the game and his dad's response was...


...'well, it was good, except for all of that black shit.'
This is why the NBA has instituted a dress code and yet we don't see that in the other major US pro sport leagues.

This is also why I don't have a problem with Duncan sounding off about it. Spare me all of the drivel about how he needs to know his role or whatever. If you had the talent to pull down $20 mil a year you'd be telling it like it is too.

[Marcus Bryant]

The point IS moot because at the time of that award there was no dress code. To use that image, which again was taken back in MAY before the dress code was even mentioned, as a basis for your arguement that it is somehow a one sided rule is totally unfair.

as far as MLB, again, ITS A DIFFERENT BUSINESS!!! If freaking McDonalds starts telling its employees to wear ties, are you going to ask why BK or Jack in the Box isnt doing the same thing? Please. That sounds childish.

Mommy, why do I have to do that when they dont? whaaa. :rolleyes


It's a pro sport league in the US and players are seen frequently in the public, going to and from games as well as giving post game interviews.

[remingtonbo2001]

You have got to be kidding me....18 pages? COM'N! This is rediculous. It's as if some players think that this policy will restrict them from wearing such restricted appearal at all times. You have to dress in a presentable way for 3 hours. Boo Fucking Hoo. I thought Steven Jackson presented his opinion in a respectful manner, but other players have taken an immature stance on this issue. Jackson disagreed with the guidlines of the dress code, spoke his peace, and moved on. It's a FUCKING chain, get over it. This isn't an issue of race, it's an issue that some are attempting to racialize. Why are so many in this nation overly sensitive? Get over yourself, grow up, be a man. It's just clothing. It's not like their enfringing some 1st amendment right. Technically speaking, NBA player's are entertainers. Therefore, appearance is vital to the growth and expansion of the NBA.

[Spurminator]

Exactly, what's the big deal with a necklace? Why are they being banned?

Why do they need a dress code in the first place?






Spare us the "what's the big deal" crap, because it goes both ways.

[phyzik]

You have got to be kidding me....18 pages? COM'N! This is rediculous. It's as if some players think that this policy will restrict them from wearing such restricted appearal at all times. You have to dress in a presentable way for 3 hours. Boo Fucking Hoo. I thought Steven Jackson presented his opinion in a respectful manner, but other players have taken an immature stance on this issue. Jackson disagreed with the guidlines of the dress code, spoke his peace, and moved on. It's a FUCKING chain, get over it. This isn't an issue of race, it's an issue that some are attempting to racialize. Why are so many in this nation overly sensitive? Get over yourself, grow up, be a man. It's just clothing. It's not like their enfringing some 1st amendment right. Technically speaking, NBA player's are entertainers. Therefore, appearance is vital to the growth and expansion of the NBA.

:tu

[easjer]

But it's a business of largely white folks. The MLB does not have to institute a dress code because the NBA does, nor should the NBA drop it because MLB doesn't do it.

But it's appalling to me that the polls show that people think the largely 'black' business of the NBA needs to be regulated with a dress code which eliminates cultural apparel associated with 'black' folks but that the equivilantly poor attire by baseball stars (who are mostly white) does not need to be regulated in the same way.

That is atrocious.

[Spurminator]

Get over yourself, grow up, be a man. It's just clothing.

I wholeheartedly agree. Get over it, bigots, it's just a necklace.

[phyzik]

I just tend to think that no one in their right mind watches baseball anyway unless its the world series, and even then they watch something else and flip back to the game every once in a while to check the score. I dont think anyone has actually seen how a baseball player dresses because no one cares about baseball. :elephant

/joke

[slayermin]

Romie is going off TD. Basically, he is saying Tim never says anything about anything but he seems shocked that he has opinion on the dress code.

One of the emails he read was satirizing Bill Parcells and his no disrespect to the "orientals" blast.

"No disrespect to the retards, but the NBA dress code is retarded."

Sincerely,
Tim Duncan

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Romie is going off TD. Basically, he is saying Tim never says anything about anything but he seems shocked that he has opinion on the dress code.

One of the emails he read was satirizing Bill Parcell's and his no disrespect to the "orientals" blast.

"No disrespect to the retards, but the NBA dress code is retarded,"

Sincereley,
Tim Duncan

Actually I think it's pretty offensive. A retarded person would have come up with a much better plan.

[remingtonbo2001]

No, not true. It does not go both ways. The NBA is the employer, they make the rules, fair and simple. This is not a complicated issue. Unfortunately, others would like you to believe it is. This is about the image of the NBA. It isn't so much about the actual appearal, as it is about the actions of some. But, as we know, the actions of a few can lead to consequences for everyone. So what can be done? Well, players such as Tim Duncan, Stephen Jackson, who oppose the dress code, should use their position to influence the actions of other players, so that these actions will not be necessary. If every player were to conduct himself in the same manner of David, then this wouldn't be an issue. No one would care what they wore. But, the appearal of many athletes, is associated with a negitive image in our society. Is that fair? No, but it's life. You want to make a difference. Go out with "gold medallion" and make a difference in someone's life. Go to the community kitchen, help an ederly person carry their groceries in from their car, opening doors for others, especially your date. I'm talking to the common folk. Actions speak the loudest of all. You want to shake this image, then end the words of hate. Stop the voilence. Unfortunately, the actions of a few have brought forth these consequences, but it will take many to make it right.

[DesiSpur_21]

I'm not going to post any more on this thread but here are my concluding thoughts.

I am really disappointed by this dress code imposition on NBA players. IMO, Racism (either through hidden agenda or direct) still exists to a large extent and it's sad that NBA makes money by the virtue of a particular section of society to give the best basketball product in the world and yet they think money generating is just one way, that is by appeasing the white collar corporate.

The irony in the whole issue is if a black player makes certain stupid comment, then people tend to generalise it to the whole community. Also, if a black guy protests (whether right or wrong) then he is considered an evil.

Dress code is a hidden agenda as much as Bush trying his own be it a domestic or an international policy. Sorry I am mixing politics, but that seems to the only relative thing I could think of as of now. There is no fair thought process put into it before arriving at this dumb idea.

Finally, when you try to excerise your ultimate authority in a senseless manner, we all know how the history looks at you (there was a certain guy in 1930-40s is infamous for that.

[Spurminator]

No, not true. It does not go both ways. The NBA is the employer, they make the rules, fair and simple. This is not a complicated issue. Unfortunately, others would like you to believe it is. This is about the image of the NBA. It isn't so much about the actual appearal, as it is about the actions of some. But, as we know, the actions of a few can lead to consequences for everyone. So what can be done? Well, players such as Tim Duncan, Stephen Jackson, who oppose the dress code, should use their position to influence the actions of other players, so that these actions will not be necessary. If every player were to conduct himself in the same manner of David, then this wouldn't be an issue. No one would care what they wore. But, the appearal of many athletes, is associated with a negitive image in our society. Is that fair? No, but it's life. You want to make a difference. Go out with "gold medallion" and make a difference in someone's life. Go to the community kitchen, help an ederly person carry their groceries in from their car, opening doors for others, especially your date. I'm talking to the common folk. Actions speak the loudest of all. You want to shake this image, then end the words of hate. Stop the voilence. Unfortunately, the actions of a few have brought forth these consequences, but it will take many to make it right.

Blah blah blah employers blah blah deal with it. We've heard that for the first 18 pages and it's been debunked plenty of times.

You seem to agree that an NBA player dressed in urban clothing and doing good work in the community could help to reverse misperceptions. You seem to believe this would be positive for society. So why don't you believe the NBA should help further that cause by allowing it's role model players to dress in a way that relates to people who look up to them?

And "because the NBA makes the rules" is not an answer. It's a copout.

[scott]

I'm going to march into the CEO of my company's office this afternoon and tell him that think our company is racist because we all have to wear suits and ties to work... I'll let you know how it works out.

[Marcus Bryant]

Go for it. Tim Duncan doesn't work in a cubicle. Duncan isn't easily replaced, etc...

[easjer]

Is that policy of suit and tie a direct result of trying rid yourselves of cultural references tied primarily to one ethnic group, while the majority of employees directly affected by the dress code part of that ethnic group?

Also, was this suit and tie policy always in effect or just recently established? Because there is a fair argument to made about changing work environments and employee's rights when new policies are instituted.

No one is arguing that all dress codes are racist. Just that this particular dress code has racist undertones that may extend into outright racism (each poster has a different view).

[easjer]

I just tend to think that no one in their right mind watches baseball anyway unless its the world series, and even then they watch something else and flip back to the game every once in a while to check the score. I dont think anyone has actually seen how a baseball player dresses because no one cares about baseball. :elephant

/joke


:lol

See, we can agree on something!

[pache100]

THEY ARE NOT ONLY MAKING THESE RULES FOR THE BLACK PLAYERS!!!!!

No. But they ARE making these rules BECAUSE of the black players...at least the ones who dress in a manner THEY deem "inappropriate". So, there's not much difference.

I'd be willing to bet that all these people who keep whining about what they, themselves, are forced to wear AT work would admit that no one tells them what they have to wear to and from work, in their cars, on an airplane, walking down the street, in the grocery store, at the pool hall with their buds, or any place else. And if they were told, by anyone, how to dress or not to dress anytime except when they are actually WORKING at their job, they'd tell whoever is telling them that (if they were to be honest) to take a flying f**k in a rolling donut.

NBA basketball players already have a dress code...they have to wear a uniform while they are at work...their actual "work" is performed on a basketball court; that's what they get paid for...and, even if it's indirectly, the fans pay as much of their salaries as their "owners" and certainly more than the "league". And the fans are much more responsible for their success or failure than either the owners or the league. As long as they are living and working in this country, NO ONE in this universe (most certainly not the league) has a right to tell them what to wear when they are not on that court. IMO.

[remingtonbo2001]

I'm going to march into the CEO of my company's office this afternoon and tell him that think our company is racist because we all have to wear suits and ties to work... I'll let you know how it works out.

:lol I should do the same, except for the fact that I'm a guitarist, so at the moment, I decide the dress code. This is part of the reason I prefer to stay away from labels. Often, they demand too much control.

The reason the appearal is being regulated, is due to the actions of others. It has created a negitive image. Unfortunately, the appearal of these few, has become widely associated with a large group of people. Again, unfair, but it's life. A player can go home and wear whatever he pleases, but during 3 hours, give or take an extra hour, they have to abide by league rules. What is so FUCKING hard about wearing presentable attire. I don't get it. Stop whining and bitching about it. Again, I'm not talking about players such as T.D., Stephen, but those wishing to have a pay increase so that they might be able to "afford" clothes acceptable by the stated policy. That is the biggest line of bull-shit, next to Latrell and his starving family. These few are only making the situation worse, and only adding more reason to establish such a policy. I would love to see someone helping their community, in whatever attire. Hell, go out their naked. But, nope, instead of using my actions to influence others, I will use words of ignorance. Pshh. It isn't very hard to see why this rule is being enforced.

[remingtonbo2001]

No. But they ARE making these rules BECAUSE of the black players...at least the ones who dress in a manner THEY deem "inappropriate". So, there's not much difference.

I'd be willing to bet that all these people who keep whining about what they, themselves, are forced to wear AT work would admit that no one tells them what they have to wear to and from work, in their cars, on an airplane, walking down the street, in the grocery store, at the pool hall with their buds, or any place else. And if they were told, by anyone, how to dress or not to dress anytime except when they are actually WORKING at their job, they'd tell whoever is telling them that (if they were to be honest) to take a flying f**k in a rolling donut.

NBA basketball players already have a dress code...they have to wear a uniform while they are at work...their actual "work" is performed on a basketball court; that's what they get paid for...and, even if it's indirectly, the fans pay as much of their salaries as their "owners" and certainly more than the "league". And the fans are much more responsible for their success or failure than either the owners or the league. As long as they are living and working in this country, NO ONE in this universe (most certainly not the league) has a right to tell them what to wear when they are not on that court. IMO.


Do you have a contract that states that the only time they are "considered" to be "at work" is on the court? They signed a contract with the respective team, for their services at all team events, whether this be a game, press conference, community service. While it may seem that their work is only conducted on the court, that is far from the truth. I agree, that this rule is not fair to some, but it is necessary in order to improve the image of the NBA.

[pache100]

The reason the appearal is being regulated, is due to the actions of others.

That's one of my pet peeves in life, punishing everyone for what one or two or a few do wrong. If you have a problem with a couple, or several, players, DEAL WITH THEM. Fix the problem at the root. Quit punishing everyone for what you see wrong with a few.

Personally, I think if this sticks, everyone should just start dressing like Shaq (maybe he'll give classes). Then, they'll all look like pimps. But, they will be wearing suits and dress shoes and have their shirts tucked in. Don't know what they'll do about the hats, though, since they've been outlawed.

[Marcus Bryant]

So basically they can't dress "black". Otherwise, they are fine.

It's obvious what this dress code is targeted at. Cuban admitted that some league sponsors were concerned about the appearance of some NBA players. I'm don't think it was McDonald's or whoever complaining about Ginobili's infrequent haircuts.

[Obstructed_View]

Like Dan Patrick said, they might as well call it the "Allen Iverson" rule.

[remingtonbo2001]

And "because the NBA makes the rules" is not an answer. It's a copout.

Nope, it's life. Get over it. They signed a contract. No 1st amendment rights are being infringed upon. It's FUCKING clothing. CLOTHING. Terrorist continue to kill, yet we have people bitching about what they can and cannot wear. People are rioting, looting in our own streets, yet we are concerned if we can, or cannot wear a madellion to work. An INNOCENT CHILD is being molested, raped, and killed. CLOTHES don't seem so important, regardless of the standpoint. Yeah, Stern could have taken other avenues, but he's the boss, that's the bottom line.

[pache100]

Do you have a contract that states that the only time they are "considered" to be "at work" is on the court?

No. But their JOB is basketball; THAT is why they get paid the big bucks. The rest of the stuff the league/team gets out of them (and they get a lot more from some than others) should be considered gravy. And the league/team should be grateful they are doing community service free and willingly and not as a result of some court-mandated probation or something.

[Marcus Bryant]

No one is disputing that the league can foist rules such as this on the players.

What is in dispute is the rationale for this rule.

Basically the NBA can enforce a rule that is driven by the subtle racism perceived by some NBA sponsors in their target market segments on the players. That's the issue here.

In addition, I will point out that in the NBA, players do have some power. This isn't a large firm with thousands of employees who can be easily replaced. There is a certain balance of power present. If the league pisses off the players enough, they can take action that perhaps the average group of white collared workers slaving away in a catacomb of cubicles cannot.

[pache100]

Terrorist continue to kill, yet we have people bitching about what they can and cannot wear. People are rioting, looting in our own streets...An INNOCENT CHILD is being molested, raped, and killed. CLOTHES don't seem so important, regardless of the standpoint.

Is all that stuff gonna magically STOP if the players in the NBA wear suits (or "nice" jeans and sport coats and "dress" shoes, whatever). Will all society's ills be cured if David Stern forces Tim Duncan to tuck in his shirt? If not, that's a lame argument. IMO.

[Obstructed_View]

Terrorist continue to kill, yet we have people bitching about what they can and cannot wear. People are rioting, looting in our own streets, yet we are concerned if we can, or cannot wear a madellion to work. An INNOCENT CHILD is being molested, raped, and killed. CLOTHES don't seem so important, regardless of the standpoint. Yeah, Stern could have taken other avenues, but he's the boss, that's the bottom line.
Wow. Let's cancel basketball altogether, because nothing is important compared to that. Let's use that argument all the time and stop people from discussing anything at all that isn't of earth-shattering importance.

[easjer]

But getting on and off the bus? Are you kidding? Not being allowed to wear team gear? Huh? Those are the extremes that I'm talking about.

Also, I'm offended that the NBA does nothing about the criminal records or arrests or investigations of their players, but thinks I'll believe they are upstanding folks because they tuck their shirt in and don a sports coat. Please.

In other professional fields (business, education, nursing, law practice and others) when a person has civil or criminal charges pressed against them, they are suspended from work with pay until the investigation is complete, and then further action taken dependent on whatever outcome of the investigation there is. That does not happen in the NBA.

Losing the thugishness on the court and the unappealing behaviour off the court is what will give the NBA a better image, not dressing the thugs up in sports coats.

Just by the by, the debacle that is largely responsible for this? The players in the brawl were all wearing uniforms. So . . . yeah.

[remingtonbo2001]

Is all that stuff gonna magically STOP if the players in the NBA wear suits (or "nice" jeans and sport coats and "dress" shoes, whatever). Will all society's ills be cured if David Stern forces Tim Duncan to tuck in his shirt? If not, that's a lame argument. IMO.
Your missing my point, and honestly, I'm tired of explaining it over and over. Ignorance prevails once again. What I'm saying is that people are bitching over a very friviolus rule, which it is, yet I never hear a single word from any player of crucial events taking place in the world. Yeah, you have soft issues, such as cancer, or natrual disasters. These are very nuetral issues. Everyone agrees that cancer, natrual disasters are bad. But what about child molestation, or terriorsim. I have yet, with the exception of David, to hear player comment on hot topic issues such as this. Player's in this league should use their notariotry to bring attention to such causes.

I'm telling you right now, it is required to attend to the press before and after games. Therefore, their still at work. There are many team events that are required outside the court. Your looking at too narrow of a perspective. What a person wears during their free time is fine, but while at work you adhere to the rules. I agree, there would have been better ways to resolve this issue, but it peeves me when someone plays the race card. I wear jeans and only jeans. If they were to ban jeans from my fictional place of employment, would I cry racism? NO. I know a few Cacuasans that wear medallions. My view is plain and simple. We're all AMERICANS. We're not African Americans first, nor hispanics, nor caucasans, we're AMERICANS first. Maybe I find this difficult to understand, because I find racism to obsolutely ridiculous, and think that the term is often misused to manipulate the viewpoint of others. Look, you got two hands, two feet, a mind, a heart, ect. Yeah, so what if your skin complexion is darker. I can go into a tanning booth and lay there for 2 weeks, and you know what, when I come out, I bet I'd have a pretty dark complexion. I just don't get it. I know it exsist, but I don't get it. I don't get hate. I don't understand the purpose.

[angel_luv]

I thought this was well said.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/basketball/nba/12948502.htm

Allen Iverson:
"Honestly, I really think I will [abide by it]," he said. "Once they start talking about suspending me, then I don't have a choice. I don't want them to take my money, either. I don't want to give my money away; that's just like taking it and burning it. When they talk about suspending me and hurting what we're trying to do as a basketball team, then I don't have [any] choice but to abide by it....
"But I don't think that's going to help the image of the league at all," he said. "If you're going to act like a bleep, they're going to look at them as bleeps, whether they have on a suit or not."

[TDMVPDPOY]

NBA is tryin to be socially responsible, they just wanna protect the brand and image in the community and world wide, look at fifa/FPA in euro for example they make the soccer players wear suites etc, even though there are soccer riots they cant control that, but they can control the players. Its all about being professional and lookin like one. Seriously is 300 hundred bucks goin towards a suite goin to kill you with ur million dollar contract? if you cant afford one get a sponsor with sum fashion designer. These guys can afford to pay fines, medallions, rims, cars, bling bling but cant afford to buy a suite, now thats a laugh. Even the average person or student will save 3-4 months pay to buy a suite, and these guys cant give up a weeks pay cheque just to buy a suite lmao.

Even those sports analysts and commentators, even though they dont swet that much on the sidelines they wear suites 82 games of the season and you dont see them complaining, you dont see refs complaining wearing slack pants n top runnin up n down the courts...it all comes with their employment and whats expected from them.

The nba is tryin to move its image as a hiphop culture to the corporate culture.

[Spurminator]

Nope, it's life. Get over it. They signed a contract. No 1st amendment rights are being infringed upon. It's FUCKING clothing. CLOTHING. Terrorist continue to kill, yet we have people bitching about what they can and cannot wear. People are rioting, looting in our own streets, yet we are concerned if we can, or cannot wear a madellion to work. An INNOCENT CHILD is being molested, raped, and killed. CLOTHES don't seem so important, regardless of the standpoint. Yeah, Stern could have taken other avenues, but he's the boss, that's the bottom line.

Keep dodging.

[pache100]

Your missing my point, and honestly, I'm tired of explaining it over and over. Ignorance prevails once again.

I'm not "missing" anything. I just think it's an irrelavent parallel. And I disagree with you. That does not mean I don't get it. Never fear...you never have to explain anything else to me.

You're 100% right about the ignorance.

[pache100]

they can control the players.


BINGO! That's exactly what it is all about. Power and control. We'll see how far they get with that.

[angel_luv]

BINGO! That's exactly what it is all about. Power and control. We'll see how far they get with that.


I am not for the dress code so don't take this to mean that... but isn't it about control for both sides?

[ShoogarBear]

I am not for the dress code so don't take this to mean that... but isn't it about control for both sides?

There's a difference between wanting to have control over yourself and wanting to have control over others.

[Marcus Bryant]

Obviously Tim Duncan is not a team player because he won't wear khakis like middle and corporate America want him to. He obviously is not concerned about the success of the Spurs. He is not the type of player the Spurs need if they are to win a championship. It is time that this malcontent be removed from the Spurs so that true success can be attained.

I hear that Joel Pryzbilla has no problem wearing a 3 piece suit.

[dbreiden83080]

Duncan really needs to check himself here on this issue, he is already getting bad press his comments are all over espn. I would like to get Tim Duncan alone in a room and ask him how he feels he has the right to complain about being asked to dress business casual, due to make more than 15 million this year from the spurs, when people who are making 15,000 are year are told if they do not wear a suit and tie every day to work they are fired. These athletes are so damn privilaged the moment anyone tells them they can't do something they act like their civil rights are being violated. I am a trader on wall street, i sit in front of my computer all day and trade stocks. I do not meet with clients so you would think a suit and tie would not be required, but guess what it is and if i don't do it i would be fired. These guys need to suck it up and deal with it.

[Spurminator]

Um, how about fuck ESPN like I've been saying forever?

Stop acting like it's an insult to your job when rich people have opinions about theirs.

[angel_luv]

There's a difference between wanting to have control over yourself and wanting to have control over others.


Good point! I see that.

Super Smart Silly old Bear! = )

[ShoogarBear]

I hear that Joel Pryzbilla has no problem wearing a 3 piece suit.

That would be a damn good trade, as it would restore a lot of the pride Spurs fans think the team has lost as a result of Duncan's whining.

[nkdlunch]

he is already getting bad press his comments are all over espn.

ESPN also has a show staring Stephen A Smith :rolleyes

[remingtonbo2001]

I was being sarcastic, with regard to ignorace. Although it does prevail far too often in our society. I'm not saying you have no clue of the dress code policy, but rather the point I was making. I tend to use too many words, which usually leads to confusion. Even myself on rare occassions. There are rules and standards set in this society. Yes, it is your right to do whatever the hell you want to, so long as it causes no physical harm to yourself, or another. I don't know how to explain it. I would have completely agreed with you on all basis, when I was 18 or so. I'm not sure what happened during that time, but I guess I have more respect for the rules placed by an organization. I'm not saying anyone here has more or less, I'm speaking for myself only. Sometimes you just do the right things, you follow the rules. The best way to change something, is to do so from the inside out, not the outside in. I try to aviod placing judgements upon others actions, although will still state my opinion. While I may disagree with Stern the majority of the time, I have no idea what type of person he is. I have never met him. I would be hurt if someone were to say things about me that were not true. This would be a racist issue if the policy stated that "no blacks could wear medallions". But no player, regardless of race, can wear medallions during their time at team events. Every player has to wear a sport coat, regardless of race. Is the rule rediculious....Maybe? But racist, no. Not everyone is trying to take over the world. Sometimes they want the best for their family or business. Such could very well be the case right now. Wouldn't you want to put your business in the best possible situation to suceed.

[MiNuS]

unrelated question:

how is the am reception inside the SBC cntr??I am going on 11/4 vs the Cavs and I want to hear the play by play.

[Spurminator]

This would be a racist issue if the policy stated that "no blacks could wear medallions". But no player, regardless of race, can wear medallions during their time at team events. Every player has to wear a sport coat, regardless of race. Is the rule rediculious....Maybe? But racist, no.

That's so ridiculous. If the NBA banned cornrows, it would apply to white players too, but who do you think they're targeting? It's so transparent.

[ShoogarBear]

called sarcasm, and no no one said it but alot of you are implying it.

I would say none of us are implying anything. We are being very specific about what is racist. The fact that you chose to respond like this implies you can't mount an argument to refute it.



1. ESPN poll..... its ESPN, you read their message boards lately?


And yet, your responses perfectly align with theirs, no? NBA players should have a dress code, players in other sports should not.



2. How often have you seen Pop, RC, Stern, P. Jackson, ect, ect wearing pants around their thighs, throwback jerseys (which I think are cool) and a doo rag when they are on the job? Besides that, Im sure something will be put in their that affects management somehow.

I hope you don't think we're so stupid to see that none of these guys are owners (which was my specific point). I'm still waiting to hear why the rules shouldn't apply to Mark Cuban.



3. WTF does Baseball have to do with the NBA? They are 2 completely seperate entities.

Already adequately answered by several others. And yet, you still won't answer why there shoulnd't be a dress code for them. Why is that?



Nash has his shirt tucked out, picture doesnt show but I believe he was wearing jeans. Is that when he got the MVP trophy? That was like back in May before any of this crap started so your point is moot.
The point is, if 80% of the NBA players looked like Steve Nash, they would be able to dress like him and you wouldn't say a thing.

[MiNuS]

Hey!



Iverson has already agreed to dress like a

30 y/o and not like a

16y/o punk!

[Spurminator]

This is the dodgiest thread ever....

You can basically sum up the pro-dress-code side with two sentences:

"The dress code is justified because the NBA has the right to impose rules on its employees, who should just shut up and like it because they're paid well. And it's not racist because I say it's not."

[Jimcs50]

MLB players often dress like hell but we don't see them incurring the wrath of the league for it.





What the fuck? You receive an award for being the best player in the league and you show up dressed casually?

But it's white casual, not black casual.

Not hard to see what's going on.

Baseball does not have an image problem(outside of steroids) and it is not declining in popularity and ratings like the NBA.

Do you understand that???

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't know what's worse...the NBA instituting a dress code policy to respond to the thinly veiled racism detected by certain corporate sponsors amongst the prospective NBA fan base or Spurs fans so ready to side with ownership (again) and dump on the franchise's greatest player ever because he wants to wear shorts and sandals before he plays a game wearing shorts and a wifebeater.

[Jimcs50]

This is all Michael Jordans' fault. He had to go and retire and therefore cause a downward spiral in NBA populrity. He should have just stayed in the league, if only just to sit on someones bench.