Jalen Rose: Kawhi Wants out of SA

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The team failing miserably in attracting free agents and completely mishandling his injury has him wanting to leave ASAP

:wow:wow:wow

Pop and RC have really screwed the pooch this time



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaKWLFSRIA

[bklynspursfan]

Pop & RC screwed the pooch because what Jalen Rose said... Interesting

[Amuseddaysleeper]

TL;DW

Jalen Rose:

Kawhi Leonard wants out of San Antonio from what I'm hearing. One is they've been unable to attract elite free agents to come play with him. ... The Spurs way looks like opportunity dressed in overalls. It looks like work. Players talk about wanting to win & being a champion but ultimately want to do it on their terms. Who's the CEO of the Spurs? Gregg Popovich. It's going to be his way. Also his injury situation. In the lineup, out of the lineup. Was he misdiagnosed? The Celtics fired their entire staff as it related to Isaiah Thomas injury. Maybe the same thing will happen in the future with San Antonio. The next super-team? Probably wherever Kawhi ends up.​

SAS:

I'm hearing the same thing. San Antonio has been spoiled by Tim Duncan, the ultimate soldier. ... Kawhi's uncle is running the show right now. This isn't typical stuff the Spurs have had to deal with. This is not a surprise. This has been mentioned in passing. It's hitting a boiling point now. Tim Duncan? That's family, the San Antonio Spurs. To Kawhi, Uncle Robertson, that's family, not the San Antonio Spurs & that's what the Spurs are NOT accustomed to dealing with & that's a problem for them.​

[vy65]

c:lollture

[lil'mo]

Thanks HEB :tu

[NASpurs]

:lmao holy shit

People here were calling it before but others couldn't believe it because it messes with their pristine and infallibility of PATFO. Too much incoming semen to effectively shield this time.

Duncan spoiled us big time.

Makes me think if the Spurs are going to be active in the trade season market if any of this is true.

[SPURt]

The Spurs him until the end of next regardless. This will almost certainly push RC to make a trade to put a better piece next to Kawhi. Worst case scenario is they give up too much and he walks after next year.

the injury stuff can be healed with competitive talent around Kawhi and winning. They are correct, Spurs in a dangerous place. Reminds me of Kobe before Pau.

[SAGirl]

I don't know Jalen has ever broken anything real in. He likes to give hot takes. Might have been reading spurstalk and has some as his "sauces".:lol

[MaNu4Tres]

But hey lets all applaud the Spurs strapping on 100 million to Patty and Pau over the next 3-4 years.

For those who supported the moves last summer...

Congratulations.

[bklynspursfan]

I don't know Jalen has ever broken anything real in. He likes to give hot takes. Might have been reading spurstalk and has some as his "sauces".:lol

Exactly. :lol I mean if Woj had included this in his piece, then sure, you think dam it might be legit. But it's freaking Jalen Rose and Stephen A Smith. They're suddenly in the know about what happens with the Spurs behind the scenes? Kinda funny tbh

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I don't know Jalen has ever broken anything real in. He likes to give hot takes. Might have been reading spurstalk and has some as his "sauces".:lol

Jalen has done pretty well, Spurs horrible offseason is the final nail in the coffin:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7s6x9u/sources_kawhi_leonards_rehab_creating_chilling/dt2erfe/

[DAF86]

Spurs better try to fix all the shit they did during the offseason. Trade Tony if necessary.

[bklynspursfan]

Jalen has done pretty well, Spurs horrible offseason is the final nail in the coffin:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7s6x9u/sources_kawhi_leonards_rehab_creating_chilling/dt2erfe/


Jalen says “Do not believe the rumors that he’s not happy in San Antonio, he’s not sitting out to prove a point. The gentleman is really injured.”

Which is it Jalen? #RoseBomb (?)

Rose has never broke anything Spurs related. But he's sure tied into arguably the quietest guy in the league who doesn't give the media anything. Makes sense

[BillMc]

I don't know Jalen has ever broken anything real in. He likes to give hot takes. Might have been reading spurstalk and has some as his "sauces".:lol
:lol

That same uncle just went on record saying all is good. Fact, is we've no idea what is just frustration from the injury, what is gamesmanship (Hey, you better give me the super max), what is talking heads spouting off to get air time, and what is truth.

And why isn't the signing of LaMarcus considered a big name FA? Dudes been an all star 5 times. He was second all-nba his last season in Portland,

Where there's smoke there's fire. But the size of the fire remains unknown.

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs have gotten Aldridge, Pau, and Gay in the last 3 offseasons as free agents. Those are pretty big names. What more was realistically possible? The Spurs met with Durant, tried really hard to get Irving.

The Mills deal was horrible but the Pau deal was so-so, and his play is almost justifying it. Simmons is highly overrated. What else was the Spurs' FO supposed to do? Believe it or not, there is some middle ground between A+ and F.

[bklynspursfan]

The Spurs have gotten Aldridge, Pau, and Gay in the last 3 offseasons as free agents. Those are pretty big names. What more was realistically possible? The Spurs met with Durant, tried really hard to get Irving.

The Mills deal was horrible but the Pau deal was so-so, and his play is almost justifying it. Simmons is highly overrated. What else was the Spurs' FO supposed to do? Believe it or not, there is some middle ground between A+ and F.

Yes...

[vy65]

Slurp slurp slurp

[BillMc]

The Spurs have gotten Aldridge, Pau, and Gay in the last 3 offseasons as free agents. Those are pretty big names. What more was realistically possible? The Spurs met with Durant, tried really hard to get Irving.

The Mills deal was horrible but the Pau deal was so-so, and his play is almost justifying it. Simmons is highly overrated. What else was the Spurs' FO supposed to do? Believe it or not, there is some middle ground between A+ and F.

This

[hater]

Im leaving with Kawhi fellas

Jumping from this stinking sinking ship ASAP :lol

50 million to aussie shitburger and resigning a guatmalan dead mummy lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The Spurs have gotten Aldridge, Pau, and Gay in the last 3 offseasons as free agents. Those are pretty big names. What more was realistically possible? The Spurs met with Durant, tried really hard to get Irving.

The Mills deal was horrible but the Pau deal was so-so, and his play is almost justifying it. Simmons is highly overrated. What else was the Spurs' FO supposed to do? Believe it or not, there is some middle ground between A+ and F.

Gasol is 36 this is not 2009 Gasol, he's an over the hill veteran on a generous contract. Gay was coming off an injury that tends to end careers. Spurs need to sign contributing players under 30, not dinosaurs and injury prone players.

[bic50]

I think Kawhi really liked the team they had last season. And they let some of them leave and didn't bring back much in return

[jermaine]

I loooove me some Kawhi. A black male athlete that isn't self centered, showboat, an helps kids for free.. This dude is my hero. But if he thinks he can get to a better organization better than the Spurs... let that nigga go. Fuck him!!!!

[venitian navigator]

I'm tired of this fucking espn...looks always to have a reason to take us down. Ok we're not the most advertising friendly team, but till now this year (and we are in january) they never spent a word on how we managed to have (till some weeks ago) one of the best records. Thay came just when they can give a shot at us...
Coming to tha KL status, the one thing he should understand id that, despite what these persons on espn are gonna say, he's been treated always as a part of the family.
He has been elected as the face of the franchise just after Tim and he has been given the chance to do so at the best possible level (compete and win the nba championship)just two years after half of the nba believed he was nothing special (15 draft pick). also the espn part about no stars coming to SA is wrong...LMA was one of the best big man available on the market and he came here...and, thanks to the management, he'll be under contract for more years.
Obviously, that can't happen every year...also because people make different decisions (see Durant last year and Paul and Irving this year).

[davidbowie]

wasnt aldridge the huge name that offseason and we got him?? why the hell are people forgetting that

sure hes not 2003 tim but dudes still all star level.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't know Jalen has ever broken anything real in. He likes to give hot takes. Might have been reading spurstalk and has some as his "sauces".:lol

He's the ONE guy who broke the LaMarcus to San Antonio news 6 months before it actually happened.

[SAGirl]

Jalen has done pretty well, Spurs horrible offseason is the final nail in the coffin:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7s6x9u/sources_kawhi_leonards_rehab_creating_chilling/dt2erfe/

I think the injury is the most dangerous thing they have encountered. The rest is a hot take.

The Spurs tried really hard to get Kyrie Irving. LMA and Murray tanked their value and they couldn't involve a 3rd party they needed to take Lamarcus in (since CLE didn't want him). Even Danny was rumored to have been involved in trades since CLE wanted him. I believe Boston was forced to increase their own offers bc they were in a bidding war with the Spurs (among others probably)... I think including Danny was necessary once Boston offered Crowder.. but San Antonio could not overcome the value of the BKYN pick. Do you think greedy Ainge would have traded that pick out of the goodness of his heart? Nope.

[Seventyniner]

Gasol is 36 this is not 2009 Gasol, he's an over the hill veteran on a generous contract. Gay was coming off an injury that tends to end careers. Spurs need to sign contributing players under 30, not dinosaurs and injury prone players.

Generous, sure. But not wildly overpaid like Mills. It makes no sense to conflate the two contracts.

Pau's deal was also mostly a necessary evil. He opted out to give the Spurs a chance at a guy like Chris Paul and the Spurs did right by him with an extra year and a golden parachute for 2019-2020. From a cutthroat business perspective it was an overpay. But that's how the Spurs work and their reputation is worth much more than an extra couple of million in cap space. Operating over the cap makes much more sense given how the Spurs' contracts are structured anyway with the cap projected to start shrinking.

Which contributing players under 30 could the Spurs have signed instead? Those don't come cheap.

The Spurs' offseason moves were mostly win-now. One would think Kawhi would appreciate moves like that more than moves for the future. Bird in the hand and such.

[SAGirl]

He's the ONE guy who broke the LaMarcus to San Antonio news 6 months before it actually happened.
looking back that was a long time ago... I don't remember details about it.

[bklynspursfan]

He's the ONE guy who broke the LaMarcus to San Antonio news 6 months before it actually happened.

Aldridge was on his way to Phoenix or something tho until he had a 2nd discussion with Pop, no? Idk if Aldridge knew 6 months before it happened he was going to SA. Lots of guys can make bold predictions based on rumors

[urunobili]

This is bad.

[SAGirl]

Spurs better try to fix all the shit they did during the offseason. Trade Tony if necessary.

THIS is the kind of desperation they need to show.

No one but Kawhi should be untradeable.. (LMA can't bc he just signed an extension).

[vy65]

Generous, sure. But not wildly overpaid like Mills. It makes no sense to conflate the two contracts.

Pau's deal was also mostly a necessary evil. He opted out to give the Spurs a chance at a guy like Chris Paul and the Spurs did right by him with an extra year and a golden parachute for 2019-2020. From a cutthroat business perspective it was an overpay. But that's how the Spurs work and their reputation is worth much more than an extra couple of million in cap space. Operating over the cap makes much more sense given how the Spurs' contracts are structured anyway with the cap projected to start shrinking.

Which contributing players under 30 could the Spurs have signed instead? Those don't come cheap.

The Spurs' offseason moves were mostly win-now. One would think Kawhi would appreciate moves like that more than moves for the future. Bird in the hand and such.

I don't understand this. That "way of working" and reputation hasn't worked, has quite likely alienated its franchise player, drove away young talent (Simmons, Dedmon), and has failed to attract key FA targets (KD, CP3, etc...).

[Play Boban]

Cut this cancer.

[MaNu4Tres]

Aldridge was on his way to Phoenix or something tho until he had a 2nd discussion with Pop, no? Idk if Aldridge knew 6 months before it happened he was going to SA. Lots of guys can make bold predictions based on rumors

Jalen Rose said it his podcast with Jacoby in February of 2015 (5 months before FA started).

[NASpurs]

Aldridge was on his way to Phoenix or something tho until he had a 2nd discussion with Pop, no? Idk if Aldridge knew 6 months before it happened he was going to SA. Lots of guys can make bold predictions based on rumors

It’s almost like Aldridge was keen on the Spurs way before free agency but the Suns sold him during negotiations. Of course there’s going to be wavering.

[wildbill2u]

First, there is always a problem when a family member like this uncle gets involved. (Ref: LA and Ball) If the family tie is really tight, then a young player is likely to listen. There isn't anything the FO can do to make SA a popular destination for prime free agents. LMA is the closest the Spurs have ever come and he had a lot of Texas ties. And we don't have any really good trade bait to bring in another really good player to complement Kwahi and LMA.

So we may be in for some very lean years like most teams go through. The wonder of the Spurs is our 50+ win streak that will probably never be broken.

[davidbowie]

we are so screwed

[Keepin' it real]

Cut this cancer.

:cry

[Amuseddaysleeper]

THIS is the kind of desperation they need to show.

No one but Kawhi should be untradeable.. (LMA can't bc he just signed an extension).

Even Kyle? :wow

[bklynspursfan]

Jalen Rose said it his podcast with Jacoby in February of 2015 (5 months before FA started).

Yea but I guess my point was the Spurs were rumored to be on his list well before FA started. He guessed correctly, but I don't think he had any sort of inside info on the matter. Aldridge said Phoenix was on the top of his list towards the end, but ultimately he went with SA.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

First, there is always a problem when a family member like this uncle gets involved. (Ref: LA and Ball) If the family tie is really tight, then a young player is likely to listen. There isn't anything the FO can do to make SA a popular destination for prime free agents. LMA is the closest the Spurs have ever come and he had a lot of Texas ties. And we don't have any really good trade bait to bring in another really good player to complement Kwahi and LMA.

So we may be in for some very lean years like most teams go through. The wonder of the Spurs is our 50+ win streak that will probably never be broken.

50 win season probably ends this year

[rjv]

ST cliff jumping is a harbinger of things to come when the zombie apocalypse arrives.

[bklynspursfan]

It’s almost like Aldridge was keen on the Spurs way before free agency but the Suns sold him during negotiations. Of course there’s going to be wavering.

I think he was keen on being in Texas with his family. But he even said he didn't know how he would fit, because he likes to shoot the ball and have the ball, and he knows we were sort of in that beautiful game type style.

[Seventyniner]

50 win season probably ends this year

I think the Spurs gut it out but the winning road record streak is likely toast.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I think the Spurs gut it out but the winning road record streak is likely toast.

They need to go 20-14 the rest of the way while having a very very tough schedule. Hopefully they can do it

[vy65]

Can someone tell me why the 50+ wins matters?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Can someone tell me why the 50+ wins matters?

It’s all we have left at this point

[BillMc]

ST cliff jumping is a harbinger of things to come when the zombie apocalypse arrives.

Coming off a relatively recent title and two 60 win seasons and we have one injury-plagued year and ST goes all to pieces. God knows what this place will be like when the Spurs aren't making the playoffs regularly.

[vy65]

It’s all we have left at this point

kVns27uG-qE

[SAGirl]

Generous, sure. But not wildly overpaid like Mills. It makes no sense to conflate the two contracts.

Pau's deal was also mostly a necessary evil. He opted out to give the Spurs a chance at a guy like Chris Paul and the Spurs did right by him with an extra year and a golden parachute for 2019-2020. From a cutthroat business perspective it was an overpay. But that's how the Spurs work and their reputation is worth much more than an extra couple of million in cap space. Operating over the cap makes much more sense given how the Spurs' contracts are structured anyway with the cap projected to start shrinking.

Which contributing players under 30 could the Spurs have signed instead? Those don't come cheap.

The Spurs' offseason moves were mostly win-now. One would think Kawhi would appreciate moves like that more than moves for the future. Bird in the hand and such.
I agree with you.
I wasn't a fan at all of the Pau contract but the Spurs don't have any other quality big outside of Lamarcus if they didn't reup Pau. He did opt out of an option to accommodate RC trying to sign a FA. It didn't work out and he was rewarded. It's unfortunate his contract is that long but he has played well enough to justify that contract. It is unsurprising bc Pau is a HOF caliber player who like Manu has high BBIQ, passing skill and some shooting to complement other players really well and make others around him better. And he's been a leader of teams b4.

Patty hasn't.... not a HOF caliber player, not someone who really should be a leader since he's such a scrub, and he's really not giving sufficient value for that deal. And is signed for 3 more. Now Tony might become a backup PG and they have Patty in an overbloated contract entrenched in. Heck Spurs drafted guards in consecutive seasons and their only way up is to develop if they aren't able to swing a trade right now for a PG. It's a pathetic situation with that Patty deal.

[NASpurs]

I still believe where there's smoke, there's fire but I guess it's time to contradict Jalen now since he contradicted himself... unless this news is new.

10 days ago, he said in his podcast at the 13:10 mark:

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=22136784

"do not believe the rumors that [Kawhi] is unhappy in San Antonio; he's not sitting out to prove a point. The Gentleman is really injured." (http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=22136784)

[bic50]

I loooove me some Kawhi. A black male athlete that isn't self centered, showboat, an helps kids for free.. This dude is my hero. But if he thinks he can get to a better organization better than the Spurs... let that nigga go. Fuck him!!!!
Losing a player like Kawhi is a bad look.

[Keepin' it real]

I still believe where there's smoke, there's fire but I guess it's time to contradict Jalen now since he contradicted himself... unless this news is new.

10 days ago, he said in his podcast at the 13:10 mark:

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=22136784

"do not believe the rumors that [Kawhi] is unhappy in San Antonio; he's not sitting out to prove a point. The Gentleman is really injured." (http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=22136784)

How is it a contradiction if you get new information 10 days later? Is he supposed to keep saying the same thing because he said it once based on the best info at the time?

[SAGirl]

I still believe where there's smoke, there's fire but I guess it's time to contradict Jalen now since he contradicted himself... unless this news is new.

10 days ago, he said in his podcast at the 13:10 mark:

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=22136784

"do not believe the rumors that [Kawhi] is unhappy in San Antonio; he's not sitting out to prove a point. The Gentleman is really injured." (http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=22136784)

he's jumped on the wagon once WoJ broke the news about the "chillin" effect this injury has had between the FO and Kawhi... then embellished it with his opinion.

[dabom]

LMA was gonna be a sun until all the media people pressured him. I wouldn't take this for anything. :lmao

[spursistan]

At the very least, the Spurs should immediately sack the medical team that was responsible for the first diagnosis-- the one he underwent at his exit interview last season. That amateur shit cannot be tolerated at this level.


We will know about the rest when they come up with the extension offer in the off-season, but i think this goes beyond a play for the Supermax from his camp. It is either a general estrangement from the organization and the place (what if the guy, egged on by influential family members, just want to go to back to California?) or him trying to put his GM cap on behind the scenes..

[NASpurs]

How is it a contradiction if you get new information 10 days later? Is he supposed to keep saying the same thing because he said it once based on the best info at the time?

I mean that's why I said "unless this news is new". It's a complete 180 from 10 days ago.

[MaNu4Tres]

Yea but I guess my point was the Spurs were rumored to be on his list well before FA started. He guessed correctly, but I don't think he had any sort of inside info on the matter. Aldridge said Phoenix was on the top of his list towards the end, but ultimately he went with SA.

He wasn't guessing.

He reported it the same way he just did the Kawhi news.

[TimDunkem]

At the very least, the Spurs should immediately sack the medical team that was responsible for the first diagnosis-- the one he underwent at his exit interview last season. That amateur shit cannot be tolerated at this level.


We will know about the rest when they come up with the extension offer in the off-season, but i think this goes beyond a play the Supermax from his camp. It is either a general estrangement from the organization and the place (what if the guy, egged on by influential family members, just want to go to back to California?) or him trying to put his GM cap on behind the scenes..

Let's hope it's the latter.

But I fear it's the former.

[TimDunkem]

For fucks sake...I knew this would happen sooner or later after he went down and they decided to bring back Fatty and the washed up Spanish ostrich for him to carry whenever he came back. :depressed

[Darius Bieber]

I keep telling you guys, at some point you got to believe me. Kawhi is GONE

[bklynspursfan]

He wasn't guessing.

He reported it the same way he just did the Kawhi news.

Yea, but he had no way of knowing if even (according to Woj) Aldridge wasn't fully sure and was torn between the 2 teams.

[TheGreatYacht]

PATFO slurpers, spin this :lmao

955848815550124037

I will support Kawhi in whatever team he goes to. Y'all can keep this cultural stroke fest with fat contracts to fat players with fat neck fans.

[SAGirl]

Even Kyle? :wow
heh.. I don't know what you have been reading tbh.

I defend Kyle bc he gets undeserved grief and hate here... He is a valuable roleplayer to have if you already have stars. Right now, he's underpaid. Has put up an insane defensive season that is getting no hype or anything... I have doubts he will be back. Spurs played hard ball with him when he was up for an extension. He's young and he's looking to get paid. He wouldn't have played this many minutes to begin with if the team didn't have Kawhi injured. I appreciate what he brings but he's obviously not a star, nor is a current Tony, or Patty, or Bertans, or Murray or Danny or whomever.

The only untradeable is Kiwi, and now LMA bc he was extended.

[bklynspursfan]

PATFO slurpers, spin this :lmao

955848815550124037

I will support Kawhi in whatever team he goes to. Y'all can keep this cultural stroke fest with fat contracts to fat players with fat neck fans.

I'm pretty sure all professional athletes/coaches feel this way.

[MaNu4Tres]

Yea, but he had no way of knowing if even (according to Woj) Aldridge wasn't fully sure and was torn between the 2 teams.

Jalen has legit sources. He said LaMarcus wanted to go to San Antonio in February from his sources. That wasn't just guessing. Of course things can change in the summer with Suns coming up with an offer last minute.

[lefty]

PATFO slurpers, spin this :lmao

955848815550124037

I will support Kawhi in whatever team he goes to. Y'all can keep this cultural stroke fest with fat contracts to fat players with fat neck fans.
:lol

[TheDoctor]

PATFO slurpers, spin this :lmao

955848815550124037

I will support Kawhi in whatever team he goes to. Y'all can keep this cultural stroke fest with fat contracts to fat players with fat neck fans.
The Truth sometimes isn’t easy to handle.

[Darius Bieber]

Jalen has legit sources. He said LaMarcus wanted to go to San Antonio in February from his sources. That wasn't just guessing. Of course things can change in the summer with Suns coming up with an offer last minute.

Exactly.. This isn't the National Enquirer tabloid bullshit just to stir something up... The Spurs barely make the news, so this has to be true. Kawhi is 100% gone like I've been saying for years.

[TimDunkem]

Exactly.. This isn't the National Enquirer tabloid bullshit just to stir something up... The Spurs barely make the news, so this has to be true. Kawhi is 100% gone like I've been saying for years.

Yep. The guy is an ex player with many friends in the league. His word is better than half the hacks covering the league, and it's definitely better than anyone here.

Either way, "where there is smoke"...etc..

[tbdog]

The LMA extension was a damn good contract and a very underrated move, considering the prices Griffin and Millsap got.

I'm fine with Gasol if it was a 2 year deal only. That 3rd year isn't poison but it's 6mil guaranteed. Mills is my biggest issue in all this. He did not play well enough to deserve that contract. It was an obvious reaction to Parker's injury. Pop and co really wanted a point with corporate knowledge. Gay also got a good deal. Heck the Grizzlies and Mavs gave Parsons and Matthew Max after their injuries and we get Gay for 6.5mil or something.

Drafting White was a bit too odd, then signing Paul when reality is we needed some youth big men.

Btw this Rose clip is just horse. Leonard's group already denied the issue.

[bklynspursfan]

Exactly.. This isn't the National Enquirer tabloid bullshit just to stir something up... The Spurs barely make the news, so this has to be true. Kawhi is 100% gone like I've been saying for years.

That couldn't be further from the truth :lol

We've had our fair share of BS rumors thrown out there.

[NASpurs]

Yep. The guy is an ex player with many friends in the league. His word is better than half the hacks covering the league, and it's definitely better than anyone here.

Either way, "where there is smoke"...etc..

And don't forget the San Antonio hacks like Jeff McDonald and Don Harris :lmao

Johnny Ludden is spinning in his grave somewhere.

[Hoops Czar]

He's the ONE guy who broke the LaMarcus to San Antonio news 6 months before it actually happened.
He's also the one who said "Don't believe the rumore that he's (Kawhi Leonard) not happy in San Antonio" just yesterday. It's really hard to take this guy serious, even for a second.

[NASpurs]

The LMA extension was a damn good contract and a very underrated move, considering the prices Griffin and Millsap got.

I'm fine with Gasol if it was a 2 year deal only. That 3rd year isn't poison but it's 6mil guaranteed. Mills is my biggest issue in all this. He did not play well enough to deserve that contract. It was an obvious reaction to Parker's injury. Pop and co really wanted a point with corporate knowledge. Gay also got a good deal. Heck the Grizzlies and Mavs gave Parsons and Matthew Max after their injuries and we get Gay for 6.5mil or something.

Drafting White was a bit too odd, then signing Paul when reality is we needed some youth big men.

Btw this Rose clip is just horse. Leonard's group already denied the issue.

Of course they denied it, what's the alternative and the ramifications?

[Darius Bieber]

That couldn't be further from the truth :lol

We've had our fair share of BS rumors thrown out there.

The Spurs only get "involved" in trade rumors to up the value of the tradee. "Oh, the Spurs might want him, he's good then."

RARELY do the Spurs' own players make the news about being rumored to want out, request trades.... One time it did happem (Aldridge), it was 100% true.

[Hoops Czar]

Exactly.. This isn't the National Enquirer tabloid bullshit just to stir something up... The Spurs barely make the news, so this has to be true. Kawhi is 100% gone like I've been saying for years.
No, but it's close.

[Brazil]

I keep on thinking this is uterly bullshit... :lol jalen rose this is the dude commenting bb with a baseball bat ?

now if true, Kawhi and his family can go fuck themselves tbh

[SAGirl]

Coming off a relatively recent title and two 60 win seasons and we have one injury-plagued year and ST goes all to pieces. God knows what this place will be like when the Spurs aren't making the playoffs regularly.
well some "fans" were taking regular season wins for granted earlier in the season.. saying the regular season didn't matter.

Welcome to the real NBA not the utopia Timmy and Kiwi got everyone used to here. The RS matters.

[bklynspursfan]

He's also the one who said "Don't believe the rumore that he's (Kawhi Leonard) not happy in San Antonio" just yesterday. It's really hard to take this guy serious, even for a second.

If the Woj story doesn't drop, Rose isn't saying anything like this lol. Funny stuff

[TimDunkem]

The Spurs only get "involved" in trade rumors to up the value of the tradee. "Oh, the Spurs might want him, he's good then."

RARELY do the Spurs' own players make the news about being rumored to want out, request trades.... One time it did happem (Aldridge), it was 100% true.

People here were tearing Jackie McMullen apart last year for "spreading bs" about LMA. Then look what happened...We're still hearing every other national game about how LMA wanted out. :lol

[tbdog]

Of course they denied it, what's the alternative and the ramifications?

LMA and pop both admitted issues. Both parties in this case deny it.

[Darius Bieber]

LMA and pop both admitted issues. Both parties in this case deny it.

Didn't admit issues until mid-way through the season... At the time of the leak, I believe they denied it.

[bklynspursfan]

The Spurs only get "involved" in trade rumors to up the value of the tradee. "Oh, the Spurs might want him, he's good then."

RARELY do the Spurs' own players make the news about being rumored to want out, request trades.... One time it did happem (Aldridge), it was 100% true.

Jackie MacMullan > Jalen Rose. Woj's piece never said anything about what Rose is saying. If he did, I'd put some weight to it

[vy65]

https://a.scpr.org/i/033dbe922c65667f6aaed91931967af1/169119-full.jpg

[NASpurs]

LMA and pop both admitted issues. Both parties in this case deny it.

After the fact and when things were worked out. It's easy to admit it when those things are in the past.

[bic50]

I keep on thinking this is uterly bullshit... :lol jalen rose this is the dude commenting bb with a baseball bat ?

now if true, Kawhi and his family can go fuck themselves tbh
Right because Spurs front office can do no wrong. Right?

[bklynspursfan]

Of course they denied it, what's the alternative and the ramifications?

When the news from Jackie MacMullan about Aldridge being shipped off, RC never addressed/dismissed that rumor. Sam Amick actually said on a podcast yesterday it's a big deal for RC to do something like that. He dismissed this one pretty quickly

[spurraider21]

damn. the fatty mills contract literally became the death of the spurs.

[Leetonidas]

Wasn't this dude literally just saying yesterday that the situation was not a big deal/nothing to worry about?

[Leetonidas]

Maybe this forces the spurs to make some moves. Whatever happens happens. But this team as presently constructed is hard to watch

[TheGreatYacht]

damn. the fatty mills contract literally became the death of the spurs.
Fire RV Drunkford

[cd98]

This is nonsense. The Spurs signed LMA 3 years ago. Durant and Paul were both long shots. What other free agent superstars are snubbing SA. Lazy speculation.

[cd98]

These same guys were saying LMA wants out right up to the day he signed an extension.

[Darius Bieber]

This is nonsense. The Spurs signed LMA 3 years ago. Durant and Paul were both long shots. What other free agent superstars are snubbing SA. Lazy speculation.

I guess by “attracting elite talent” he could mean himself. Maybe Kawhi doesn’t like SA.

[NASpurs]

When the news from Jackie MacMullan about Aldridge being shipped off, RC never addressed/dismissed that rumor. Sam Amick actually said on a podcast yesterday it's a big deal for RC to do something like that. He dismissed this one pretty quickly

Yeah but one guy is the face of the franchise and the other isn't. Kawhi means magnitudes more than Aldridge. Of course they were going to try and defuse it rather than let it linger especially with a national televised, high profile game on tonight. A lot of people aren't buying what they're selling though.

[Hoops Czar]

Jalen Rose is the "Charles Barkely" of ESPN. He has no credible sources. He says whatever's on his mind or whatever he thinks might stem controversey to furnish his own brand as someone who's intuitive and outspoken and to drive up ratings for the network.

Everybody and their mother was predicting LMA to San Antonio. I can't believe he's getting credit for that.

[Leetonidas]

If this is true tho, tbh, fuck Leonard. You're gonna quit on your team after the last two seasons? Unlike most player fans on this forum, and while Leonard is my fav player, I'm a spurs fan first. And if this is what we get when things get a little tough then fuck this guy. Spurs need to get ainge on the phone I can guarantee he would offer spurs a combo of Tatum/Brown/Philly pick/smart/whatever for him which would at least be a solid return

[Amuseddaysleeper]

If this is true tho, tbh, fuck Leonard. You're gonna quit on your team after the last two seasons? Unlike most player fans on this forum, and while Leonard is my fav player, I'm a spurs fan first. And if this is what we get when things get a little tough then fuck this guy. Spurs need to get ainge on the phone I can guarantee he would offer spurs a combo of Tatum/Brown/Philly pick/smart/whatever for him which would at least be a solid return

I don't blame Leonard for wanting to change teams, SA is going to be a dumpster fire with the way the roster is setup, but I do hope he at least sees out his contract or remains professional.

It is weird for his uncle who is his agent to say everything is cool and then for this to come out 24 hours later. It has to come from somewhere.

[Leetonidas]

Thanks to KD 29 other teams are dumpster fires also. Not really sure where he thinks he can go to contend with GS

[Hoops Czar]

Thanks to KD 29 other teams are dumpster fires also. Not really sure where he thinks he can go to contend with GS
He can go home. Steve Ballmer will gladly make room for him.

[daslicer]

If this is true tho, tbh, fuck Leonard. You're gonna quit on your team after the last two seasons? Unlike most player fans on this forum, and while Leonard is my fav player, I'm a spurs fan first. And if this is what we get when things get a little tough then fuck this guy. Spurs need to get ainge on the phone I can guarantee he would offer spurs a combo of Tatum/Brown/Philly pick/smart/whatever for him which would at least be a solid return

I agree with what you said. Just to add to that I have to say fuck the spur fans who want Kawhi to leave to spite RC and Pop. Do us all a favor and root for whatever team that Kawhi joins.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

https://ibb.co/mt9AzG

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Thanks to KD 29 other teams are dumpster fires also. Not really sure where he thinks he can go to contend with GS

Houston probably

[cjw]

Jalen wants the Spurs to move Kawhi so they’ll start Mills at SG and someone can put up more points against him than Kobe did that one night against Jalen/Raptors

[Leetonidas]

With Houston about to offerr CP3 the supermax and harden signing it already they have no room to sign him. And no assets to trade either.

[Robz4000]

Kawhi might not be a Spur in a few weeks.

[BatManu20]

I don't put any weight into anything Skip Bayless has to say, but figured I'd post anyways.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-8nDbyxrew

[vy65]

"Fuck Kawhi" Spurs fans are greeting oblivion with arms wide open.

[r0drig0lac]

But hey lets all applaud the Spurs strapping on 100 million to Patty and Pau over the next 3-4 years.

For those who supported the moves last summer...

Congratulations.
only the retarded "basketball experts" in spurstalk applauded this shit, they also wanted Simmons (who was one of the only ones who seemed to have a real connection with Kawhi) out of SA and think Kawhi-ball disrupts the rest of the team

[bic50]

If this is true tho, tbh, fuck Leonard. You're gonna quit on your team after the last two seasons? Unlike most player fans on this forum, and while Leonard is my fav player, I'm a spurs fan first. And if this is what we get when things get a little tough then fuck this guy. Spurs need to get ainge on the phone I can guarantee he would offer spurs a combo of Tatum/Brown/Philly pick/smart/whatever for him which would at least be a solid return
Lol when will you point the finger at spurs front office?

[Pocho La Pantera]

PATFO slurpers, spin this :lmao

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I will support Kawhi in whatever team he goes to. Y'all can keep this cultural stroke fest with fat contracts to fat players with fat neck fans.
fckin player fans, hate them

[Darius Bieber]

Kawhi might not be a Spur in a few weeks.

[djohn2oo8]

With Houston about to offerr CP3 the supermax and harden signing it already they have no room to sign him. And no assets to trade either.

Morey will always find a way to clear space.

[Leetonidas]

Lol when will you point the finger at spurs front office?

I know you're a random gnsf so I'll give you a pass but if you actually read most of my posts I have criticized the FO. Their recent moves have been trash. But everyone is so focused on the now and people act like shit can't change very quickly. Our front office has been trash overall for the last year. But they have consistently found ways to contend with only being able to pick in the low 20s for years in an undesirable FA destination. So I have to think they can figure out our shitty roster situation. Kawhi quitting and wanting out (it true) after the success he's had over his career screams bitchmade faggot. Imho

[TheGreatYacht]

fckin player fans, hate them
What are you trying to say, Spurs fan from Argentina?

[baseline bum]

Can someone tell me why the 50+ wins matters?

Because it means the team is consistently putting a good product out there year in and year out.

[rasuo214]

Who knows what is true or isn't but the Spurs can't get every big name FA (how many times have the glorified Lakers and Knicks missed out on stars?). The biggest issue was wasting precious cap space on 2 albatross deals. That severely limits the options to improve in the immediate future.

As far as Kawhi goes, from everything it appears that he isn't happy with the injury misdiagnosis that has basically cost him most of this season. That type of mistrust can become a bigger issue if it isn't handled properly.


IMO Kawhi respects Pop so if this is true I do think it can be resolved.

[TheGreatYacht]

I know you're a random gnsf so I'll give you a pass but if you actually read most of my posts I have criticized the FO. Their recent moves have been trash. But everyone is so focused on the now and people act like shit can't change very quickly. Our front office has been trash overall for the last year. But they have consistently found ways to contend with only being able to pick in the low 20s for years in an undesirable FA destination. So I have to think they can figure out our shitty roster situation. Kawhi quitting and wanting out (it true) after the success he's had over his career screams bitchmade faggot. Imho
Spurs were getting bitch smacked by the Grizz, Suns, and Lakers every year until Kawhi showed up. Never forget that. He's earned his success and shouldn't bow or be thankful to anyone. This team without him is no different than the Josh Smith Hawks

[baseline bum]

This is bad.

I don't really buy the crap coming out of Steven A Smith and I don't trust Jalen's sources either. Now Woj's story is something to take home to the bank but he's not reporting things boiling over like SAS and Jalen are talking. Even if it was as bad as they're saying you still have to hold on to Kawhi until at least early 2019 and hope you could change his mind like the Lakers were able to accomplish with an angry Kobe in 2007.

[Leetonidas]

Spurs were getting bitch smacked by the Grizz, Suns, and Lakers every year until Kawhi showed up. Never forget that. He's earned his success and shouldn't bow or be thankful to anyone. This team without him is no different than the Josh Smith Hawks

And they have been choking every year the playoffs against teams they were favored to beat every year he's been here except 2. So what is your point :lol

[vy65]

Because it means the team is consistently putting a good product out there year in and year out.

People glom onto it like it's an accomplishment in and of itself, rather than a byproduct of putting a "good product out there." That's what I don't understand.

I'd be happier winning 48 games and a championship than 50 and getting bounced in the first round.

[baseline bum]

Jalen has legit sources. He said LaMarcus wanted to go to San Antonio in February from his sources. That wasn't just guessing. Of course things can change in the summer with Suns coming up with an offer last minute.

Meh where else was he going to go?

[rasuo214]

If this is true tho, tbh, fuck Leonard. You're gonna quit on your team after the last two seasons? Unlike most player fans on this forum, and while Leonard is my fav player, I'm a spurs fan first. And if this is what we get when things get a little tough then fuck this guy. Spurs need to get ainge on the phone I can guarantee he would offer spurs a combo of Tatum/Brown/Philly pick/smart/whatever for him which would at least be a solid return

Things didn't get "a little tough", its the Spurs medical staff fucked up and Kawhi is missing most of the season as a result.

[Dre_7]

Let's say what Rose said is true. Based on how badly Pop and the Spurs wanted to keep Aldridge, despite the year he had last year, do you all honestly think the Spurs won't do everything they possibly can to make Kawhi happy? Seriously.

[Dre_7]

Things didn't get "a little tough", its the Spurs medical staff fucked up and Kawhi is missing most of the season as a result.

How did they fuck up?

[Leetonidas]

Things didn't get "a little tough", its the Spurs medical staff fucked up and Kawhi is missing most of the season as a result.

The rumors are that he wants out because of the roster and team direction. Him being a pussy about his quad injury is not the reason he supposedly wants out

[TheGreatYacht]

And they have been choking every year the playoffs against teams they were favored to beat every year he's been here except 2. So what is your point :lol
Might want to point fingers at the faggot that benched Tim, hacked Deandre Jordan, and got son'd by Billy Donovan and Scottie Brooks

[djohn2oo8]

Let's say what Rose said is true. Based on how badly Pop and the Spurs wanted to keep Aldridge, despite the year he had last year, do you all honestly think the Spurs won't do everything they possibly can to make Kawhi happy? Seriously.

The issue of handling his injury is a little different situation than the Aldridge situation.

[Dre_7]

The issue of handling his injury is a little different situation than the Aldridge situation.

According to Jalen Rose he wants out because of the roster.

[baseline bum]

People glom onto it like it's an accomplishment in and of itself, rather than a byproduct of putting a "good product out there." That's what I don't understand.

I'd be happier winning 48 games and a championship than 50 and getting bounced in the first round.

I think it is an accomplishment since 50 wins is a benchmark a lot of people use to separate the good teams from the rest of the league. 48 wins and a title? What do you think this is, 1978?

[Leetonidas]

Might want to point fingers at the faggot that benched Tim, hacked Deandre Jordan, and got son'd by Billy Donovan and Scottie Brooks

All valid points. But not like the spurs weren't relevant before Kawhi and it's not like he's been taking us to the finals every year. Like I mentioned before he is my favorite player but some of you are so blinded by irrationality you dismiss legitimate criticism of the player and blame the team instead. Kawhi wanted to be the man tbh. He needs to man the fuck up

[SuperCam]

This is what happens when you waste hundreds of millions on culture scrubs who aren't even top 50 at their position tbh. PATFO slurping faggots defend it saying spurs aren't contending anyways because :cry no one beating wrriors anyways wait them out :cry but now wonder why an all-nba talent isn't into that defeatist shit :lol

do you think Kiwi liked it when he saw his egotistical coach drive out ballers like Simmons and Dedmon just to resign scrubs? He played with them both he knows Forbes/bertans/fatty are nothing but shit.

what do you think Kiwi thought when he saw a bunch of western conference teams acquire all stars for cheap prices while PATFO stood pat?

worse of all, what do you think Kiwi thought when PATFO killed the third max capspace for 2018/2019 this offseason with those terrible culture signings? he knows they slammed the door on bringing in a top level talent in his prime.

front office and coach became fat and happy after 2014, thinking it was their system and coaching responsible and not Tim/Tony/Kiwi, and that they could repeat that kind of success going forward while at the same time indulging their egos with culture signings. Arrogant assholes :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Jalen Rose has a history of fabricating stories, tbh..he's been called out by several players in the past for making shit up..he may be correct, but he literally just said that Kawhi and the Spurs were fine the other day:lol

I fully believe Kawhi is upset about not being able to play and the questions around Pop's handling of his injury, but it's really hard to picture him complaining about the roster when it isn't his personality + he has barely even been on the court, this season..I can't recall a player complaining about his teammates when he hasn't even been playing(which means he can't get a gauge on how good they actually are)..

People in this thread actually think Kawhi is asking for a trade because the Spurs let go of Simmons(who didn't even want to stay with the Spurs) and Dedmon?:lmao

[Amuseddaysleeper]

According to Jalen Rose he wants out because of the roster.

Injury situation was mentioned as well, Spurs fucked that one up

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Jalen Rose has a history of fabricating stories, tbh..he's been called out by several players in the past for making shit up..he may be correct, but he literally just said that Kawhi and the Spurs were fine the other day:lol

I fully believe Kawhi is upset about not being able to play and the questions around his injury, but it's really hard to picture him complaining about the roster when it isn't his personality + he has barely even been on the court, this season..I can't recall a player complaining about his teammates when he hasn't even been playing(which means he can't get a gauge on how good they actually are)..

It could be his uncle putting thoughts in Kawhi's head. Having family as your agent can be dangerous/poisonous.

[baseline bum]

Kawhi might not be a Spur in a few weeks.

Only way that happens is if Kim nukes us.

[TheGreatYacht]

This is what happens when you waste hundreds of millions on culture scrubs who aren't even top 50 at their position tbh. PATFO slurping faggots defend it saying spurs aren't contending anyways because :cry no one beating wrriors anyways wait them out :cry but now wonder why an all-nba talent isn't into that defeatist shit :lol

do you think Kiwi liked it when he saw his egotistical coach drive out ballers like Simmons and Dedmon just to resign scrubs? He played with them both he knows Forbes/bertans/fatty are nothing but shit.

what do you think Kiwi thought when he saw a bunch of western conference teams acquire all stars for cheap prices while PATFO stood pat?

worse of all, what do you think Kiwi thought when PATFO killed the third max capspace for 2018/2019 this offseason with those terrible culture signings? he knows they slammed the door on bringing in a top level talent in his prime.

front office and coach became fat and happy after 2014, thinking it was their system and coaching responsible and not Tim/Tony/Kiwi, and that they could repeat that kind of success going forward while at the same time indulging their egos with culture signings. Arrogant assholes :lol
Post of the year in January? :wow

PATFO fluffers are going to stay away from this like Fat Antonio fans do with the gym

[djohn2oo8]

According to Jalen Rose he wants out because of the roster.

That may be another reason. Surely he is frustrated by not being able to play and the misdiagnosis. Guess we will find out one way or another. Just seems like alot going on that is not being reported.

[Dre_7]

Injury situation was mentioned as well, Spurs fucked that one up

How did they fuck it up? What did they do wrong?

[Darius Bieber]

This is what happens when you waste hundreds of millions on culture scrubs who aren't even top 50 at their position tbh. PATFO slurping faggots defend it saying spurs aren't contending anyways because :cry no one beating wrriors anyways wait them out :cry but now wonder why an all-nba talent isn't into that defeatist shit :lol

do you think Kiwi liked it when he saw his egotistical coach drive out ballers like Simmons and Dedmon just to resign scrubs? He played with them both he knows Forbes/bertans/fatty are nothing but shit.

what do you think Kiwi thought when he saw a bunch of western conference teams acquire all stars for cheap prices while PATFO stood pat?

worse of all, what do you think Kiwi thought when PATFO killed the third max capspace for 2018/2019 this offseason with those terrible culture signings? he knows they slammed the door on bringing in a top level talent in his prime.

front office and coach became fat and happy after 2014, thinking it was their system and coaching responsible and not Tim/Tony/Kiwi, and that they could repeat that kind of success going forward while at the same time indulging their egos with culture signings. Arrogant assholes :lol

https://thehknhaven.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/truth-bomb.gif

[objective]

People still making excuses for the Pau deal? Why?

He opted it of a single year. He had zero chance to make that money back on the free agent market. Zero.

But say he did the did the Spurs a solid ... Making him whole by giving him back the 17-18 year at the same money and giving the 6-7 guarantee on 18-19 would have been "Thank You" enough.

Because then he had extra money to secure against a career ending injury. He had extra money if he wanted to retire. He could have been cut and signed somewhere else and get close to the 16 number combined. And of course the doors Spurs could have kept him on at the full amount.

He had zero chance to get $16m on the market in summer 18.

And if Pau was playing hardball and holding them hostage after the Paul trade, they should have renounced him. Don't be held hostage.

Now if they're lucky next summer they can dangle his large guarantee for a worse long term deal on a trade.

Might be a year too late.

[Dancelot]

If this is true tho, tbh, fuck Leonard. You're gonna quit on your team after the last two seasons? Unlike most player fans on this forum, and while Leonard is my fav player, I'm a spurs fan first. And if this is what we get when things get a little tough then fuck this guy. Spurs need to get ainge on the phone I can guarantee he would offer spurs a combo of Tatum/Brown/Philly pick/smart/whatever for him which would at least be a solid return
Fuck it, I’m down

[Dre_7]

That may be another reason. Surely he is frustrated by not being able to play and the misdiagnosis. Guess we will find out one way or another. Just seems like alot going on that is not being reported.

What was misdiagnosed? Does he not have tendinopathy? If not what does he have? Who has diagnosed it correctly?

[Pavlov]

How did they fuck it up? What did they do wrong?They kept him out too long and brought him back too soon.

Duh.

[BSfromTX]

Im leaving with Kawhi fellas

Jumping from this stinking sinking ship ASAP :lol

50 million to aussie shitburger and resigning a guatmalan dead mummy lol

Suddenly losing Kawhi got a lot easier

[Dre_7]

They kept him out too long and brought him back too soon.

Duh.

:lol

[Leetonidas]

Even the selfish kobe who spurs fans love to rip on as a ballhog cancer played 3 seasons with garbage before starting to whine about being traded tbh

[Bill_Brasky]

How did they fuck it up? What did they do wrong?

I don't understand this either. The guy is hurt and isn't healing properly. In what way is that the Spurs fault, especially when they've been overly cautious?

[TheGreatYacht]

Suddenly losing Kawhi got a lot easier hater is one of the most knowledgeable posters around and his resume speaks for itself. Certainly more knowledgeable than your regular advanced stat using nerds on here that think Green is a positive on the court

[Robz4000]

Only way that happens is if Kim nukes us.

That could happen too tbh.

[TimDunkem]

I don't understand this either. The guy is hurt and isn't healing properly. In what way is that the Spurs fault, especially when they've been overly cautious?

They misdiagnosed his injury last year thus mishandled it until Kawhi sought out second opinions from his own medical team.

[rasuo214]

How did they fuck up?

They misdiagnosed his quad injury from last season. They determined it was a just a sprain and nothing serious. Kawhi had to get a 2nd opinion to find out it was tendinopathy during the off-season.

[djohn2oo8]

What was misdiagnosed? Does he not have tendinopathy? If not what does he have? Who has diagnosed it correctly?

Alot of rumors going around that Kawhi went to his own doctors to get a second opinion. And was worse rhan originally thought. IDK we will see. but it is strange. Pop said this is nothing like they had seen before.

[Dre_7]

They misdiagnosed his quad injury from last season. They determined it was a just a sprain and nothing serious. Kawhi had to get a 2nd opinion to find out it was tendinopathy during the off-season.

But during the season THIS YEAR Kawhi said the injury was not from last year. So Kawhi lied on camera then? Also, where did you hear about the misdiagnosed sprain? Is there a link?

[Hoops Czar]

According to Jalen Rose he wants out because of the roster.
It's partly his fault the roster looks the way it does. If he wants change, he's going to have to step out from the shadows and voice his concerns and opinions to the powers that be.

[rasuo214]

The rumors are that he wants out because of the roster and team direction. Him being a pussy about his quad injury is not the reason he supposedly wants out

Did you already miss/forget about the Woj article yesterday? It made no mention of the roster or team direction. Also that "pussy" played the entire post-season and parts of the regular season with that injury.

[Dre_7]

Alot of rumors going around that Kawhi went to his own doctors to get a second opinion. And was worse rhan originally thought. IDK we will see. but it is strange. Pop said this is nothing like they had seen before.

Exactly, rumors. They may or may not be true but so many people are talking like rumors are 100 percent true but anything coming from the Spurs or Kawhi's camp is not true. It's funny what people choose to believe.

[Leetonidas]

But during the season THIS YEAR Kawhi said the injury was not from last year. So Kawhi lied on camera then? Also, where did you hear about the misdiagnosed sprain? Is there a link?

It's all just rumor mill shit. No one here really knows the validity of anything

[Phenomanul]

The media is causing all of this to snowball. They want it to, not often they can take digs at the Spurs' organization. Many have been waiting to kick them while they're down - and this is as good as any opportunity.

At the end of the day, it's much ado about nothing. Kawhi and Pop may not be as close as Timmy and Pop, but Kawhi still sees him as a father figure. That isn't a bond that is easily broken.

Is the injury frustrating? Sure. But both sides are frustrated by it - it isn't a unilateral frustration. Kawhi will be back after the All-Star break.

[objective]

This is what happens when you waste hundreds of millions on culture scrubs who aren't even top 50 at their position tbh. PATFO slurping faggots defend it saying spurs aren't contending anyways because :cry no one beating wrriors anyways wait them out :cry but now wonder why an all-nba talent isn't into that defeatist shit :lol



What was that one Jeff McDonald tweet about the Spurs not being contenders anymore after free agency and how good the Warriors were?

"It's OK to let someone else have a turn"

LOL

[Dre_7]

It's all just rumor mill shit. No one here really knows the validity of anything

Exactly! As of right now, I trust Kawhi over anyone else. In his time in San Antonio since being drafted, he has done nothing to make me question his honesty. If he said the injury was not from last year, I believe him.

[TheGreatYacht]

Can't wait for tonight's blowout loss to the Cavs when Pop tries to say with a straight face "Kawhi has no problems with this roster" :lmao

[gambit1990]

probably turning in most of my spurs card for a spurs team sans timmy, manu, kawhi tbh.

i’m not putting up with a tony/patty/forbes/anderson/gasol lineup in the future :lol pop needs to get over himself, this is a business not a family. patriots are going to their millionth super bowl and not because they stayed loyal to wes welker, vince wilfork.

[Leetonidas]

Did you already miss/forget about the Woj article yesterday? It made no mention of the roster or team direction. Also that "pussy" played the entire post-season and parts of the regular season with that injury.

Did you already miss/forget that the guy who is now claiming Kawhi wants out directly referenced the Woj article yesterday and said there was nothing to worry about? :lmao

And I doubt that pussy played through anything last year since he can't even play back to back games. He said it HIMSELF that it was not an injury from last year

[BSfromTX]

What was misdiagnosed? Does he not have tendinopathy? If not what does he have? Who has diagnosed it correctly?


hater (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609) is one of the most knowledgeable posters around and his resume speaks for itself. Certainly more knowledgeable than your regular advanced stat using nerds on here that think Green is a positive on the court


So your saying no luck? We will still have to put up with all the alts, like this one

[Dre_7]

I also want to add this, if there is truth to the rumors, don't you think the Spurs are working overtime to make Kawhi happy here on out? Fans online are freaking out over rumors, if there is truth to them, you can bet the Spurs are going to work hard on whatever it is they need to do. They aren't just going to sit by and let one of the best players in the world slip through their fingers.

[djohn2oo8]

Exactly, rumors. They may or may not be true but so many people are talking like rumors are 100 percent true but anything coming from the Spurs or Kawhi's camp is not true. It's funny what people choose to believe.

I've seen enough of these situations before. Somebody is leaking and is coming from Kawhi's camp.

[Dre_7]

I've seen enough of these situations before. Somebody is leaking and is coming from Kawhi's camp.

So Kawhi lied about his injury?

[SuperCam]

What was that one Jeff McDonald tweet about the Spurs not being contenders anymore after free agency and how good the Warriors were?

"It's OK to let someone else have a turn"

LOL

PATFO mouthpiece jizzragging per par :lol


:pop: It's just a few more years of waiting it out, Kawhi. Which is nothing in comparison to the age of the Local Galactic Group and its many breathtaking exo-planets

[SAGirl]

The LMA extension was a damn good contract and a very underrated move, considering the prices Griffin and Millsap got.

I'm fine with Gasol if it was a 2 year deal only. That 3rd year isn't poison but it's 6mil guaranteed. Mills is my biggest issue in all this. He did not play well enough to deserve that contract. It was an obvious reaction to Parker's injury. Pop and co really wanted a point with corporate knowledge. Gay also got a good deal. Heck the Grizzlies and Mavs gave Parsons and Matthew Max after their injuries and we get Gay for 6.5mil or something.

Drafting White was a bit too odd, then signing Paul when reality is we needed some youth big men.

Btw this Rose clip is just horse. Leonard's group already denied the issue.
Since the summer I have had the thought Danny isn't guaranteed to come back... just based on all these guards added and the Spurs doubling down on Mills, Mills playing over Danny in some situations next to Tony or another PG, Pop going with super small sized lineups at times with defensive liabilities, and even last playoffs in favor of additional offense. At times last season Danny was benched in favor of Patty/Tony lineups... and this season Murray and Kyle have both been preferred recently to close games next to Forbes or Davis or someone else.

It's speculation because Danny has been injured as well, but it's just a feeling based on how many guards have recently been added, the fact some are in the team mostly on account of their defensive potential and Danny having already been included in trade talks this past summer. If he comes back on a discount he will be back, if not he's possibly gone unless he picks up that option. It's a hot take coming from me, and I could be 100% wrong... but I think this team is changing. Specially with Murray's defensive potential and ability to guard quick guards Danny's specialty is not as essential as it previously was... and the team have other guards with defensive talent...

[NASpurs]

PATFO mouthpiece jizzragging per par :lol


:pop: It's just a few more years of waiting it out, Kawhi. Which is nothing in comparison to the age of the Local Galactic Group and its many breathtaking exo-planets

crofl

[djohn2oo8]

So Kawhi lied about his injury?

Didn't say he lied. But why would he want to let every team out there know directly from himself that his injury is a lingering one?

[rasuo214]

Did you already miss/forget that the guy who is now claiming Kawhi wants out directly referenced the Woj article yesterday and said there was nothing to worry about? :lmao

And I doubt that pussy played through anything last year since he can't even play back to back games. He said it HIMSELF that it was not an injury from last year

So you are choosing to believe Jalen Rose's take? :lol The same guy that said there wasn't an issue previously. Sure, ok.


Did you even watch the Spurs last postseason? Kawhi was icing his quad throughout the playoffs and there were reports that his quad was a bigger issue than his ankle.

[HarlemHeat37]

Didn't say he lied. But why would he want to let every team out there know directly from himself that his injury is a lingering one?

Most likely so it doesn't appear that it's just a "pain tolerance" issue and he looks soft IMO(there were reports that it was just a pain tolerance issue prior to Kawhi's return)..it's evident Kawhi's camp leaked, that goes without saying..

[Dre_7]

Didn't say he lied. But why would he want to let every team out there know directly from himself that his injury is a lingering one?

He was asked point blank if it was an injury from last year. He said it wasn't. You say it was. Therefore he did lie. Maybe he did it not to let other teams no, but according to you he did lie.

[rasuo214]

But during the season THIS YEAR Kawhi said the injury was not from last year. So Kawhi lied on camera then? Also, where did you hear about the misdiagnosed sprain? Is there a link?

It wouldn't be the first time a player/team/coach lied about an injury. Kawhi was icing his right quad all post-season and even back then there were reports his quad may have been a bigger issue than his ankle.

[Leetonidas]

So you are choosing to believe Jalen Rose's take? :lol The same guy that said there wasn't an issue previously. Sure, ok.


Did you even watch the Spurs last postseason? Kawhi was icing his quad throughout the playoffs and there were reports that his quad was a bigger issue than his ankle.

So what are you even commenting on? This entire thread is about jalens take which you are obviously taking seriously so don't know what your point is there. :lol

So you're choosing not to believe Kawhi Leonard, the guy who played with the supposed injury, when he himself said it was not from last year? Ok.

Link to these reports about his quad in the postseason?

[Dre_7]

It wouldn't be the first time a player/team/coach lied about an injury. Kawhi was icing his right quad all post-season and even back then there were reports his quad may have been a bigger issue than his ankle.

I would have to go back and look. Did you happen to have a link to the report or reports about his quad from last years playoffs?

[djohn2oo8]

He was asked point blank if it was an injury from last year. He said it wasn't. You say it was. Therefore he did lie. Maybe he did it not to let other teams no, but according to you he did lie.

Well, Kawhi had an opportunity to come out himself and deny these reports. He hasn't.

[Darius Bieber]

Well, Kawhi had an opportunity to come out himself and deny these reports. He hasn't.

Exactly. He is gone. Only question remains if it's via trade or free agency.

[Brazil]

Right because Spurs front office can do no wrong. Right?

right because I said something in the lines of Spurs FO is always right smh...

[Dre_7]

Well, Kawhi had an opportunity to come out himself and deny these reports. He hasn't.

The report about his injury? His uncle already did. You think he lied. Which is fine, but just say he lied. I don't think he did, but doesn't mean he didn't.

[HarlemHeat37]

The front office has made some terrible moves lately and it's evident that they have fallen behind the times, but the posters on the other end of the extreme are just as illogical as the homers, tbh:lol

They spend all year shitting on Spurs players, yet expect those same players to be sufficient in a trade for Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler or Paul George:lol

Also, having Kawhi as the superstar of the team will likely be a hindrance to acquiring other stars of that caliber..it's bad enough playing in SA, but Kawhi doesn't seem to be in the circle of the "popular kids" in the league..

[cd98]

I get that "Spurs can't get major free agents." Even though LMA was a major free agent, big time free agent signings in the NBA rarely have happened until now. What Kevin Durant and maybe CPIII (it was a trade)? Both Paul George and Kyrie Irving were good with getting traded to the Spurs. Rudy Gay signed here even though he had other offers. Who else were we supposed to sign?

[NASpurs]

Exactly. He is gone. Only question remains if it's via trade or free agency.

Maybe we can get Kemba Walker after all.





:lol MJ

[Leetonidas]

Dude this report came out a couple hours ago :lol and I don't think Kawhi even has social media and if he was rehabbing and not with the team it's not like he's going to just call ESPN himself and deny it

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Well, Kawhi had an opportunity to come out himself and deny these reports. He hasn't.

This all reminds me of the Neymar situation with Barca. Once Neymar never came out and denied the PSG reports I knew Barca was fucked.

[cd98]

The front office has made some terrible moves lately and it's evident that they have fallen behind the times, but the posters on the other end of the extreme are just as illogical as the homers, tbh:lol

They spend all year shitting on Spurs players, yet expect those same players to be sufficient in a trade for Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler or Paul George:lol

Also, having Kawhi as the superstar of the team will likely be a hindrance to acquiring other stars of that caliber..it's bad enough playing in SA, but Kawhi doesn't seem to be in the circle of the "popular kids" in the league..

Hard to get assets for trades when you've been a top 4 team for two decades. If they had a few lottery picks, they could've gotten Irving.

[TimDunkem]

The front office has made some terrible moves lately and it's evident that they have fallen behind the times, but the posters on the other end of the extreme are just as illogical as the homers, tbh:lol

They spend all year shitting on Spurs players, yet expect those same players to be sufficient in a trade for Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler or Paul George:lol

Also, having Kawhi as the superstar of the team will likely be a hindrance to acquiring other stars of that caliber..it's bad enough playing in SA, but Kawhi doesn't seem to be in the circle of the "popular kids" in the league..

The Spurs didn't need to make huge moves to improve.
They could've just simply tried upgrading from what they had. There were plenty of players out there now playing much better while taking less than Fatty, Gasoft, Lauvergne, Paul, etc.

[Darius Bieber]

Dude this report came out a couple hours ago :lol and I don't think Kawhi even has social media and if he was rehabbing and not with the team it's not like he's going to just call ESPN himself and deny it

He has Twitter but doesn't use it... He's still following the Spurs right now, but perhaps that might change. :stirpot:

[NASpurs]

They spend all year shitting on Spurs players, yet expect those same players to be sufficient in a trade for Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler or Paul George:lol


Everyone on the team is either trash or untradeable. It's not our fault the team was constructed that way. :lol

[Seventyniner]

People still making excuses for the Pau deal? Why?

He opted it of a single year. He had zero chance to make that money back on the free agent market. Zero.

But say he did the did the Spurs a solid ... Making him whole by giving him back the 17-18 year at the same money and giving the 6-7 guarantee on 18-19 would have been "Thank You" enough.

Because then he had extra money to secure against a career ending injury. He had extra money if he wanted to retire. He could have been cut and signed somewhere else and get close to the 16 number combined. And of course the doors Spurs could have kept him on at the full amount.

He had zero chance to get $16m on the market in summer 18.

And if Pau was playing hardball and holding them hostage after the Paul trade, they should have renounced him. Don't be held hostage.

Now if they're lucky next summer they can dangle his large guarantee for a worse long term deal on a trade.

Might be a year too late.

Offering him that extra year plus the partial guarantee was probably a condition on getting him to opt out. Why else would he have done it?

Which means the FO really was going hard after a big FA to take a risk like that.
Which means the FO was actually trying to build the best team possible.
Which means the FO is not even close to being complacent.

You're just parroting the same kind of lines people said when bitching about why the Spurs didn't get Irving. If you were GM it sounds like you would have let Pau walk. Then when you strike out on all FAs you would be sitting around 0.500 right now instead of 3rd in the West.

[Darius Bieber]

Everyone on the team is either trash or untradeable. It's not our fault the team was constructed that way. :lol

Or both tbh

[Dre_7]

This all reminds me of the Neymar situation with Barca. Once Neymar never came out and denied the PSG reports I knew Barca was fucked.

So then since his uncle already denied the reports does that mean it is the opposite of the Neymar situation?

[HarlemHeat37]

Everyone on the team is either trash or untradeable. It's not our fault the team was constructed that way. :lol

That's fine, but doesn't change the fact that posters were claiming that the Spurs could have outbid those teams when those deals occurred:lol

[cd98]

Or both tbh

And yet if we had our whole team healthy we would have the first or second best record in the NBA.

[davidbowie]

didnt mike monroe retire??

that's stephen A's source? Lol

[TimDunkem]

And yet if we had our whole team healthy we would have the first or second best record in the NBA.
Now imagine if the neccesary upgrades had been made. :wow

[rasuo214]

I would have to go back and look. Did you happen to have a link to the report or reports about his quad from last years playoffs?

Pic:

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/61/07/41/12875864/8/920x920.jpg


From article during the Rockets series: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Kawhi-Leonard-says-he-will-play-in-Game-6-after-11134526.php

[HarlemHeat37]

The Spurs didn't need to make huge moves to improve.
They could've just simply tried upgrading from what they had. There were plenty of players out there now playing much better while taking less than Fatty, Gasoft, Lauvergne, Paul, etc.

I agree with all that, they had a horrible off-season..I'm strictly referring to the many posters who think that trading Murray or Kyle Anderson or whoever should be sufficient to acquire a star(which happened often during the off-season)..

[Seventyniner]

Everyone on the team is either trash or untradeable. It's not our fault the team was constructed that way. :lol

The NBA is a zero-sum game. For every win there is a loss. When talking about the quality of a team you can only compare it to teams in the same season, not in the past. The fact that the Spurs still have top 6 record with Kawhi barely playing means that they are pretty well above league average. In no world does anything above average qualify as "trash."

Too much of this site is used to post emotional rants that have no basis in reality. Then when enough people agree the ones posting those rants feel validated and keep pushing the stupidity envelope further.

Thank god for the ignore feature. All we need now is a way to hide posts that quote them.

[NASpurs]

Or both tbh

True that. Oh and can't forget the ones who can't be traded because of the loyalty factor despite having an expiring contract.

[rasuo214]

So what are you even commenting on? This entire thread is about jalens take which you are obviously taking seriously so don't know what your point is there. :lol

So you're choosing not to believe Kawhi Leonard, the guy who played with the supposed injury, when he himself said it was not from last year? Ok.

Link to these reports about his quad in the postseason?

Huh? Where did I take Jalen's comments seriously? Is it a possibility? Sure but anything is.

Already posted pic of him icing his quad during the postseason.

[cd98]

Now imagine if the neccesary upgrades had been made. :wow

Other than Mills, I have no issue with the Spurs moves (well other than a true back up big). But even if you let Mills go, you still need to replace his three point shooting. Sure, he's been hot and cold, but you give him a full roster and add Kawhi to the mix and he gets a little more open and also doesn't take as many threes.

[Dre_7]

Pic:

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/61/07/41/12875864/8/920x920.jpg


From article during the Rockets series: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Kawhi-Leonard-says-he-will-play-in-Game-6-after-11134526.php

The picture does raise some questions, especially regarding Kawhi's comments this year however, nothing in that article says his quad was injured or that the quad is more of a worry than his ankle. If there is a report that says so, as you claim, then I will be even more concerned. How often do you remember him icing it?

[Chomag]

So what now FO and Popsuckers? They failed KW miserably and Kawai wants nothing to do with carrying this roster of scrubs. I have a feeling this is why he really doesn't want to come back to play. Having said that though I really hope I'm wrong I honestly do.

[NASpurs]

The NBA is a zero-sum game. For every win there is a loss. When talking about the quality of a team you can only compare it to teams in the same season, not in the past. The fact that the Spurs still have top 6 record with Kawhi barely playing means that they are pretty well above league average. In no world does anything above average qualify as "trash."

Too much of this site is used to post emotional rants that have no basis in reality. Then when enough people agree the ones posting those rants feel validated and keep pushing the stupidity envelope further.

Thank god for the ignore feature. All we need now is a way to hide posts that quote them.

Yeah not going to lie, I know where I lie when it comes to this and I use this medium as a way to vent my frustrations so I go overboard because I get a kick out of it. It doesn't mean that when you analyze both sides of the spectrum, the truth doesn't lie somewhere in the middle.

[TimDunkem]

Other than Mills, I have no issue with the Spurs moves (well other than a true back up big). But even if you let Mills go, you still need to replace his three point shooting. Sure, he's been hot and cold, but you give him a full roster and add Kawhi to the mix and he gets a little more open and also doesn't take as many threes.
Mills is hardly even a knock down shooter. There are better shooters out there at his position. Some can even run an offense and don't need a 40 and 35 year olds to do it for them.

[sananspursfan21]

Not sure I buy this yet...

[Chinook]

If this is true tho, tbh, fuck Leonard. You're gonna quit on your team after the last two seasons? Unlike most player fans on this forum, and while Leonard is my fav player, I'm a spurs fan first. And if this is what we get when things get a little tough then fuck this guy. Spurs need to get ainge on the phone I can guarantee he would offer spurs a combo of Tatum/Brown/Philly pick/smart/whatever for him which would at least be a solid return

I agree with you. Moreover, at best, the FO moves he's upset with would be signing Mills and Pau. And the moment you start pointing fingers at other players saying "he shouldn't be making this much," the moment everyone in the locker room is going to hate you. Dude's a max player for the next eight years, don't bitch about anyone else getting paid. I fundamentally don't believe Kawhi is upset about the roster right now. But if he is, when that roster still has HCA without him, fuck him. The team shouldn't trade him, but he damned sure needs to recalibrate his thinking, because this would not go over well on any other team either.

However, I will say that a possible reason why Kawhi is upset would be that PATFO haven't committed to giving him a supermax extension due to his injury issues. Anyone who's objectively looking at this situation can see it's a big risk. It doesn't help that it almost certainly won't be insurable unless signed much later (like this time next year), after Kawhi has had a long stretch of games while healthy. The team simply can't afford for him to be in a Rose situation. It could literally cause the franchise to fall apart. Wanting to wait makes sense, but from Kawhi's perspective, if he feels like this injury is Popigenic, then of course he's going to have no willingness to give a discount. They'd be asking him to make like $30-40 Million less than he could make all because they didn't do the right things medically. I'd tell them to send me to a team that isn't trying to screw me over.

Of course, there are many different ways the above scenario can differ from reality. The biggest of which is that I doubt there was any malpractice going on with the SA doctors. And hell, I also doubt the Spurs have given Kawhi any indication they won't supermax him. Someone on RealGM did say that this type of injury can really fray a player's nerves, and I think we did hear something along these lines before. That may make him significantly more irritable or likely to vent his frustrations. This is moving to career-altering territory now, and even if it has nothing to do with anything the Spurs did or didn't do, Kawhi is still likely to lash out at them first (well after Zaza).

[Emperor]

Hopefully Giannis is pissed enough about Kidd getting canned that'd he'd want out also. Wishful thinking I know.

[NASpurs]

Hopefully Giannis is pissed enough about Kidd getting canned that'd he'd want out also. Wishful thinking I know.

:wow Trade Kawhi for Giannis

[objective]

Offering him that extra year plus the partial guarantee was probably a condition on getting him to opt out. Why else would he have done it?

Which means the FO really was going hard after a big FA to take a risk like that.
Which means the FO was actually trying to build the best team possible.
Which means the FO is not even close to being complacent.

You're just parroting the same kind of lines people said when bitching about why the Spurs didn't get Irving. If you were GM it sounds like you would have let Pau walk. Then when you strike out on all FAs you would be sitting around 0.500 right now instead of 3rd in the West.

I didn't complain about not getting Kyrie. Spurs didn't have the assets.

I don't find it convincing that they had to guarantee him an extra 23.5 million to get him to opt out considering it took so long for him to agree to terms after they blew their caproom. They might have winked like they'd make him whole and give a bonus, but not a 23.5 million bonus.

Pau's deal wasn't done for two weeks after all the caproom was gone after Mills and after Gay agreed to the MLE and everyone else was off the market. Hell, it was 10 days after they agreed with Joffrey to be the only back up big.

That looks like a squeeze play.

[NASpurs]

Slow news day for USAToday :lol

7 absurd Kawhi Leonard trades, according to the Trade Machine


http://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/01/san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-trades-trade-machine-injury-discontent

[mclinejr]

He’s not going anywhere.

[MaNu4Tres]

I agree with you. Moreover, at best, the FO moves he's upset with would be signing Mills and Pau. And the moment you start pointing fingers at other players saying "he shouldn't be making this much," the moment everyone in the locker room is going to hate you. Dude's a max player for the next eight years, don't bitch about anyone else getting paid. I fundamentally don't believe Kawhi is upset about the roster right now. But if he is, when that roster still has HCA without him, fuck him. The team shouldn't trade him, but he damned sure needs to recalibrate his thinking, because this would not go over well on any other team either.

However, I will say that a possible reason why Kawhi is upset would be that PATFO haven't committed to giving him a supermax extension due to his injury issues. Anyone who's objectively looking at this situation can see it's a big risk. It doesn't help that it almost certainly won't be insurable unless signed much later (like this time next year), after Kawhi has had a long stretch of games while healthy. The team simply can't afford for him to be in a Rose situation. It could literally cause the franchise to fall apart. Wanting to wait makes sense, but from Kawhi's perspective, if he feels like this injury is Popigenic, then of course he's going to have no willingness to give a discount. They'd be asking him to make like $30-40 Million less than he could make all because they didn't do the right things medically. I'd tell them to send me to a team that isn't trying to screw me over.

Of course, there are many different ways the above scenario can differ from reality. The biggest of which is that I doubt there was any malpractice going on with the SA doctors. And hell, I also doubt the Spurs have given Kawhi any indication they won't supermax him. Someone on RealGM did say that this type of injury can really fray a player's nerves, and I think we did hear something along these lines before. That may make him significantly more irritable or likely to vent his frustrations. This is moving to career-altering territory now, and even if it has nothing to do with anything the Spurs did or didn't do, Kawhi is still likely to lash out at them first (well after Zaza).

One of your best takes, Chinook. Nice work.

[-21-]

Obviously I hope this all blows over and we keep Kawhi and get back to winning but if he really does want out, here are some trade ideas I would consider:

Hornets get: Kawhi
Spurs get: Hornets 2018 1st round pick, Kemba Walker, Jeremy Lamb
(Spurs could flip Kemba for more assets because already got Murray)

Hawks get: Kawhi
Spurs get: Kings 2018 1st round pick, Vince Carter (expiring), Buddy Hield, Willie Cauley-Stein

Lakers get: Kawhi, Patty Mills
Spurs get: Kyle Kuzma, Brook Lopez (expiring), Corey Brewer (expiring), Lakers 2019 1st round pick

Pelicans get: Kawhi
Spurs get: Anthony Davis

[apalisoc_9]

i told you guys he wanted out but Apo :cry

[Amuseddaysleeper]

So then since his uncle already denied the reports does that mean it is the opposite of the Neymar situation?

Neymar's uncle was stringing Barca along for that loyalty bonus. He was trying to avoid confirmation until August 1st.

[bic50]

Even the selfish kobe who spurs fans love to rip on as a ballhog cancer played 3 seasons with garbage before starting to whine about being traded tbh
So you're upset Kawhi doesn't want himself and the fans to go through multiple seasons with a garbage roster losing season and wants to win now? That wouldn't benefit anyone but him because he could put up a nice ppg possibly win MVP.
And plus we don't know what's actually going on. Kl maybe liked certain players on the team and the front office let them walk. Also this is s.a not l.a far more players would like to go play in l.a then s.a.

[Darius Bieber]

Take this with a grain of salt, if you want to believe it.

https://www.si.com/sports-illustrated/video/2018/01/23/si-now-tuesday-january-23-2018

Quote:

Jared Zwerling: "I had a phone conversation yesterday with Dennis Robertson, Kawhi's uncle and business manager, who is based in New Jersey. Dennis called me and we had a nice chat. Before Dennis called me he said he had a conversation with RC Buford, GM of the Spurs, and said they had a great conversation. Overall, here's the consensus: the story is farthest from the truth. That was a quote from Dennis. We talked about the situation. Really, there's no issue between Kawhi and the Spurs. Kawhi has the utmost respect for Popovich and Buford. It's not about any issues internally. This is about not having any more setbacks. There's no re-injury right now. The focus is strengthening that left quad. It's really important because the quad is an injury that can come back and bite you. It's an injury you can get again and re-injure a lot easily, so it's about strengthening that quad and keeping Kawhi focused on getting back to that strength to help him into the NBA situations. That's the focus right now."

[BatManu20]

Take this with a grain of salt, if you want to believe it.

https://www.si.com/sports-illustrated/video/2018/01/23/si-now-tuesday-january-23-2018

Quote:

Jared Zwerling: "I had a phone conversation yesterday with Dennis Robertson, Kawhi's uncle and business manager, who is based in New Jersey. Dennis called me and we had a nice chat. Before Dennis called me he said he had a conversation with RC Buford, GM of the Spurs, and said they had a great conversation. Overall, here's the consensus: the story is farthest from the truth. That was a quote from Dennis. We talked about the situation. Really, there's no issue between Kawhi and the Spurs. Kawhi has the utmost respect for Popovich and Buford. It's not about any issues internally. This is about not having any more setbacks. There's no re-injury right now. The focus is strengthening that left quad. It's really important because the quad is an injury that can come back and bite you. It's an injury you can get again and re-injure a lot easily, so it's about strengthening that quad and keeping Kawhi focused on getting back to that strength to help him into the NBA situations. That's the focus right now."

I’m sold. Shut down these meltdown threads. Kawhi staying in SA and signing the SuperMax with the Spurs this Summer confirmed.

[Brazil]

:lol again not sure why anybody would take Jalen fucking Rose seriously tbh...

As I said probably some tensions between Kawhi staff / crew and FO over injury treatment and rehab and maybe some of his crew complaining here and there about Spurs not getting sufficient help for Kawhi. It is nevertheless very unlikely that those rumors come from Kawhi, dude is imho entirely focused on his rehad and try to not freak out about a possible grant hill shit... you think he would throw under the bus the organization when he was not able to play 10 games this season ? also very doubtful when you know a bit his personality.

[Brazil]

:lol lots of shit for nothing

[Arcadian]

It's our fault. His uncle took one look at this forum and thought, "I don't want these faggots supporting my nephew." :lol

[.G.]

Kawhi ain’t going nowheres mayne. He stayin in SA cuz wedabestmayne. Lol cliffitycliffjumpjump

[Dex]

:lol again not sure why anybody would take Jalen fucking Rose seriously tbh...

As I said probably some tensions between Kawhi staff / crew and FO over injury treatment and rehab and maybe some of his crew complaining here and there about Spurs not getting sufficient help for Kawhi. It is nevertheless very unlikely that those rumors come from Kawhi, dude is imho entirely focused on his rehad and try to not freak out about a possible grant hill shit... you think he would throw under the bus the organization when he was not able to play 10 games this season ? also very doubtful when you know a bit his personality.

On First Take no less...the most sensationalized show on a sensationalized network. Their MO is to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.

[Dre_7]

Neymar's uncle was stringing Barca along for that loyalty bonus. He was trying to avoid confirmation until August 1st.

:lol

[r0drig0lac]

Neymar's uncle was stringing Barca along for that loyalty bonus. He was trying to avoid confirmation until August 1st.

exact, anything other than that, it's just a lack of knowledge about the situation

[daledondale]

:lol lots of shit for nothing
This. :wakeup


It's our fault. His uncle took one look at this forum and thought, "I don't want these faggots supporting my nephew." :lol:lmao

[bklynspursfan]

955892648249716736

[r0drig0lac]

It's our fault. His uncle took one look at this forum and thought, "I don't want these faggots supporting my nephew." :lol

lmao you can not blame him for this

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:lol

:lol It's true man! Neymar even tried suing Barca for that loyalty bonus after he signed with PSG, the deal was if he was still a Barca player by August 1st he and his dad would get a huge chunk of money but Barca refused to pay.

[Budkin]

CROFL Jalen Rose??

[NASpurs]

Take this with a grain of salt, if you want to believe it.

https://www.si.com/sports-illustrated/video/2018/01/23/si-now-tuesday-january-23-2018

Quote:

Jared Zwerling: "I had a phone conversation yesterday with Dennis Robertson, Kawhi's uncle and business manager, who is based in New Jersey. Dennis called me and we had a nice chat. Before Dennis called me he said he had a conversation with RC Buford, GM of the Spurs, and said they had a great conversation. Overall, here's the consensus: the story is farthest from the truth. That was a quote from Dennis. We talked about the situation. Really, there's no issue between Kawhi and the Spurs. Kawhi has the utmost respect for Popovich and Buford. It's not about any issues internally. This is about not having any more setbacks. There's no re-injury right now. The focus is strengthening that left quad. It's really important because the quad is an injury that can come back and bite you. It's an injury you can get again and re-injure a lot easily, so it's about strengthening that quad and keeping Kawhi focused on getting back to that strength to help him into the NBA situations. That's the focus right now."

Same guy who wrote the October piece and people were questioning his credibility. Funny how that works when it fits agendas.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It's our fault. His uncle took one look at this forum and thought, "I don't want these faggots supporting my nephew." :lol

:lmao

[Dre_7]

i told you guys he wanted out but Apo :cry

It's the boy who cried wolf. Every time his contract was up, he was able to extend, or we got close to the trade deadline you said he was leaving. IF you are actually right about it for once then you have to understand why people don't take you seriously.

[r0drig0lac]

:lol It's true man! Neymar even tried suing Barca for that loyalty bonus after he signed with PSG, the deal was if he was still a Barca player by August 1st he and his dad would get a huge chunk of money but Barca refused to pay.

this is common knowledge in Brazil, Neymar's father is one of the most greedy guys in the world of football, in less than two years Neymar will be in Madrid

[Darius Bieber]

Same guy who wrote the October piece and people were questioning his credibility. Funny how that works when it fits agendas.

When bad news goes to a group of people, those people will flock to anyone who gives them hope/good news. See: Hitler and Post World War I Germany.

Hence why I said take it with a grain of salt. Of course Kawhi's uncle isn't gonna say "Fuck yeah, he wants out that bitch". It's just damage control until we hear it straight from Kawhi.

[Dre_7]

:lol It's true man! Neymar even tried suing Barca for that loyalty bonus after he signed with PSG, the deal was if he was still a Barca player by August 1st he and his dad would get a huge chunk of money but Barca refused to pay.

Wow really? Neymar had his uncle involved as well? That's hilarious actually.

[Budkin]

Pop and RC better fucking fix this shit or there will be a fan revolt against them.

[Hoops Czar]

Same guy who wrote the October piece and people were questioning his credibility. Funny how that works when it fits agendas.

[SAGirl]

However, I will say that a possible reason why Kawhi is upset would be that PATFO haven't committed to giving him a supermax extension due to his injury issues. Anyone who's objectively looking at this situation can see it's a big risk. It doesn't help that it almost certainly won't be insurable unless signed much later (like this time next year), after Kawhi has had a long stretch of games while healthy. The team simply can't afford for him to be in a Rose situation. It could literally cause the franchise to fall apart. Wanting to wait makes sense, but from Kawhi's perspective, if he feels like this injury is Popigenic, then of course he's going to have no willingness to give a discount. They'd be asking him to make like $30-40 Million less than he could make all because they didn't do the right things medically. I'd tell them to send me to a team that isn't trying to screw me over.

Spurstalk is spinning this around the team composition agenda and complaints each poster individually has about this summer (and I have my own too...)... but the point has always been about the injury and the supermax... which is ultimately what talks louder than anything. If the injury is chronic it's a problem. There were rumors that he has degenerative disease, and it is going to affect him for his career. We don't know, but it doesn't look good right now. He's not playing after an extensive rehab and attempt at a comeback. He's going to be worried. Spurs are worried.

Kawhi has sought his own rehab and medical team so he's doing a lot on his own too, obviously there is going to be a "chilling" effect.

[phxspurfan]

That same uncle just went on record saying all is good.

That's exactly how you play this if you're Leonard's de-facto agent. You let the story leak (or feed it and state the terms of the leak) and then back off to preserve your own image. But the statement is made and well heard at this point. Spurs have to do something otherwise they will lose Leonard.

[Dre_7]

Pop and RC better fucking fix this shit or there will be a fan revolt against them.

IF there is an issue, they will fix it. Or at least they will do whatever they can to try. Again, that is IF there is an issue.

[Budkin]

That's exactly how you play this if you're Leonard's de-facto agent. You let the story leak (or feed it and state the terms of the leak) and then back off to preserve your own image. But the statement is made and well heard at this point. Spurs have to do something otherwise they will lose Leonard.

Pretty sure you just nailed exactly what is going on.

[phxspurfan]

Pretty sure you just nailed exactly what is going on.

Also, if you factor in Leonard's personality, this is exactly the way it would happen if it were true. He's not going to go personally whine to the media a la Mah Touches. He's going to do it in stealth mode and rely on the people he trusts. In this case, his family.

[Dex]

No mention of this at all today on The Jump.

Funny how SAS is quoting Robertson as a source, but ESPN isn't reporting Robertson's direct quote which is denying their report.

[SAGirl]

Take this with a grain of salt, if you want to believe it.

https://www.si.com/sports-illustrated/video/2018/01/23/si-now-tuesday-january-23-2018

Quote:

Jared Zwerling: "I had a phone conversation yesterday with Dennis Robertson, Kawhi's uncle and business manager, who is based in New Jersey. Dennis called me and we had a nice chat. Before Dennis called me he said he had a conversation with RC Buford, GM of the Spurs, and said they had a great conversation. Overall, here's the consensus: the story is farthest from the truth. That was a quote from Dennis. We talked about the situation. Really, there's no issue between Kawhi and the Spurs. Kawhi has the utmost respect for Popovich and Buford. It's not about any issues internally. This is about not having any more setbacks. There's no re-injury right now. The focus is strengthening that left quad. It's really important because the quad is an injury that can come back and bite you. It's an injury you can get again and re-injure a lot easily, so it's about strengthening that quad and keeping Kawhi focused on getting back to that strength to help him into the NBA situations. That's the focus right now."
Thanks for sharing.

sounds to me like Kawhi is holding himself out. which goes right with what Pop said, that he didn't have confidence in his body to be playing and that he wasn't well enough.

That should silence the spurstalk fan mob that was arguing it was all a Pop shtick and that Kawhi ought to be playing bcczzzzzz... :ihit

In reality Kawhi hasn't been that well and he's looking to get better. but I know that will not end the trolling.