Woj: Kawhi Cleared to Play; Chooses to Sit Out; In NYC Getting 2nd Opinion on Injury

[MoSpur02]

I'm still holding out hope, but not much. I would hate to see such a talented player leave this franchise. He seems like the perfect fit for this organization and this city.

However, the writing seems to be on the wall that A. He probably won't play again this season and B. He probably won't be a Spur after this season.

I do hope I'm WRONG

[bklynspursfan]

Nice research!:toast

Maybe D-Rob can come in and bond with Kawhi since they are both very devout. I suppose that would be sort of a mercenary use of faith though....

Thanks :toast

And regarding the bolded - by any means necessary at this point tbh :lol

[21209]

Choosing to sit out because he's pissed at the roster the FO has put around him.

[bklynspursfan]

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"Looking good in workouts, better than before"

[spurs2112]

Nice research!:toast

Maybe D-Rob can come in and bond with Kawhi since they are both very devout. I suppose that would be sort of a mercenary use of faith though....
Yup, good research indeed. I'm glad to read he is spiritual. I know a lot of people might be negative towards this post but I hope Kawhi prays about the entire situation and comes to a conclusion he is at peace with. Although I honestly feel he's going to LA , I think he is being forced to. If not and it is his choice then so be it. What can we do about it. I just hope this isn't all a stunt by the uncle because if it is then it makes Kawhi look bad.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Choosing to sit out because he's pissed at the roster the FO has put around him.

This comment is so dumb. What does he want? We are a damn near 50 win team without Kawhi, we have 3 hall of famers, veteran players with championship experience, and we have had some bad fortune and untimely injuries this season and we are still the 3 seed in the West. We were the best team in the fucking league last year and you act like "poor Kawhi is all alone" :cry

We were a 60 win team last year. Nobody in the league would be a 50 win caliber team without their first option except Golden State. Saying the roster is shit is such a weak excuse.

Kawhi is paid millions to play a game. We were in position to win the NBA championship last year with the same roster. And you think he should be pissing and pouting and moaning because he doesnt have a godly team like the Warriors? He needs to nut the fuck up and play some god damned ball. That is what he is paid to do. Bottom line, Kawhi is mentally melting down under the expectation of being an MVP caliber player. Not everyone can be a Duncan, Kobe, and Lebron. Kawhi just doesnt have it, he is a bitchmade choker.

[Dre_7]

Yup, good research indeed. I'm glad to read he is spiritual. I know a lot of people might be negative towards this post but I hope Kawhi prays about the entire situation and comes to a conclusion he is at peace with. Although I honestly feel he's going to LA , I think he is being forced to. If not and it is his choice then so be it. What can we do about it. I just hope this isn't all a stunt by the uncle because if it is then it makes Kawhi look bad.

Deep down I am hoping this is all to make sure he gets the super max from the Spurs. It doesn't necessarily add up, but that is my hope. I am not giving up on him until/unless he is no longer a Spur.

[NASpurs]

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"Looking good in workouts, better than before"



I’m taking it with a grain of salt. I swear I’ve heard similar shit from Young back in November.

[21209]

This comment is so dumb. What does he want? We are a damn near 50 win team without Kawhi, we have 3 hall of famers, veteran players with championship experience, and we have had some bad fortune and untimely injuries this season and we are still the 3 seed in the West. We were the best team in the fucking league last year and you act like "poor Kawhi is all alone" :cry

We were a 60 win team last year. Nobody in the league would be a 50 win caliber team without their first option except Golden State. Saying the roster is shit is such a weak excuse.

Kawhi is paid millions to play a game. We were in position to win the NBA championship last year with the same roster. And you think he should be pissing and pouting and moaning because he doesnt have a godly team like the Warriors? He needs to nut the fuck up and play some god damned ball. That is what he is paid to do. Bottom line, Kawhi is mentally melting down under the expectation of being an MVP caliber player. Not everyone can be a Duncan, Kobe, and Lebron. Kawhi just doesnt have it, he is a bitchmade choker.

Sorry, should have been more sarcastic in my remark. I actually agree that with him, they're not that far off from competing with Houston and GS.

[MoSpur02]

Jabari's tweet makes me feel a little better. I hope he feels confident and healthy to comeback this season

[Amuseddaysleeper]

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"Looking good in workouts, better than before"



Cheers bklynspursfan, between this and Spurs personnel actually being with him for his trip to NY shines some positive light in this crappy turn of events.

[Phenomanul]

Looking at some older Kawhi/Family articles. Interesting stuff while we wait for something to happen or not happen:




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But reportedly wants to move him to LA :huh

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2013/06/12/kawhi-leonard-lebron-james-finals-miami-heat-vs-san-antonio-spurs-game-4/2417229/

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-Leonard-through-his-family-s-eyes-5769977.php#/0

http://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/features/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs/


I wonder if Kawhi actually voted for Donald Trump, and THIS is what has jaded his relationship with Pop. It all seems so surreal that this type of political animosity could shatter 'strong relationships' but we see it everywhere else in society. It's speculative as well, but such a narrative could help explain the suddenness and the otherwise inexplicable nature of the rift between them.

We saw this dynamic lead Dwayne Dedmon away.

And before David Lee retired, he made it clear that "his political stance got him into trouble with his former 'boss'" - whether or not he was referring to Pop is debatable. I do believe however, that David Lee on one leg would've been 10 times better than Joffrey.

This is why talking politics at work is taboo - because it affects the integrity of decision making, due to personal biases stemming from political affiliations.


I still have hope that Kawhi returns this season and that all of this hubris stems SOLELY from frustrations about the nature of the injury itself.

[SAGirl]

966705688608206848

"Looking good in workouts, better than before"


Same as “Sooner rather than later.” It doesn’t mean anything.

At this point only him coming back and playing the rest of the schedule including B2B means anything and he’s not back yet.

This isn’t aimed at you. It’s aimed at all this ...

[Dre_7]

I wonder if Kawhi actually voted for Donald Trump, and THIS is what has jaded his relationship with Pop. It all seems so surreal that this type of political animosity could shatter 'strong relationships' but we see it everywhere else in society. It's speculative as well, but such a narrative could help explain the suddenness and the otherwise inexplicable nature of the rift between them.

We saw this dynamic lead Dwayne Dedmon away.

And before David Lee retired, he made it clear that "his political stance got him into trouble with his former 'boss'" - whether or not he was referring to Pop is debatable. I do believe however, that David Lee on one leg would've been 10 times better than Joffrey.

This is why talking politics at work is taboo - because it affects the integrity of decision making, due to personal biases stemming from political affiliations.


I still have hope that Kawhi returns this season and that all of this hubris stems SOLELY from frustrations about the nature of the injury itself.

:lol I don't think political differences are going to cause someone to want to walk away from 219 million dollars. Hell, I would work for Trump himself for 219 million, and I can't stand the guy.

Besides, one of Kawhi's few Tweets was a pic with him and Obama saying it was one of the greatest moments of his life. That doesn't sound like any of the conservatives I know.

[duncan2k5]

Yes he has been a warrior for us, that's true. But unfortunately a lot has appeared to have happened behind closed doors since his peak warrior moment, carrying us past Houston in the playoffs and almost to a win over the SuperWarriors last year. You can't ignore the fact that this year has hugely damaged the player-FO relationship with our best player, to the point where the smoke can't be denied. There is a fire to that smoke. And he wants out. Trust is gone on both sides now.

It may be a combination of them considering to trade him in the off-season misdiagnosing his injury, AND the horrible contracts given

[spurs2112]

Deep down I am hoping this is all to make sure he gets the super max from the Spurs. It doesn't necessarily add up, but that is my hope. I am not giving up on him until/unless he is no longer a Spur.
I'm not giving up either and want him to retire a spur. I just find it funny that we hear all these rumors about LA and the uncle and now LA has all this cap space. I guess what I'm trying to say is it wouldn't surprise me if it happens.

[Dre_7]

Same as “Sooner rather than later.” It doesn’t mean anything.

At this point only him coming back and playing the rest of the schedule including B2B means anything and he’s not back yet.

This isn’t aimed at you. It’s aimed at all this ...

It also points to Kawhi's desire to still play this year. Which, IMO, is a good sign. He may not play, but the fact that, according to Young's sources, Kawhi still wants to play.

[Phenomanul]

:lol I don't think political differences are going to cause someone to want to walk away from 219 million dollars. Hell, I would work for Trump himself for 219 million, and I can't stand the guy.

Besides, one of Kawhi's few Tweets was a pic with him and Obama saying it was one of the greatest moments of his life. That doesn't sound like any of the conservatives I know.

I hope you're right.

FWIW Obama and Hillary are not synonymous choices - even if dropping the party line.

[21209]

I’m taking it with a grain of salt. I swear I’ve heard similar shit from Young back in November.

This doesn't really matter since it's his opinion. I doubt Kawhi has even been in his ear about any of this.

He's more than likely gonna continue rehabbing it with an eye on next season. Just because he's rehabbing now doesn't necessarily translate to a return any time soon.He's already told the team he's not comfortable where he's at right now.

[Dre_7]

I'm not giving up either and want him to retire a spur. I just find it funny that we hear all these rumors about LA and the uncle and now LA has all this cap space. I guess what I'm trying to say is it wouldn't surprise me if it happens.

Wouldn't surprise me either. But what LA did doesn't necessarily mean that are gunning for him per say, just that they are going to go after big names. Whether it be Kawhi, LeBron, Cousins, PG13. They want to make a splash. Hopefully it is this off season with PG13 and not next with Kawhi.

[duncan2k5]

Apppreciate the contrarian to all this negativity ...and its good you are loyal to your hometown guy. but no, he is not better than LeBron or Durant. definitely top 5 when healthy and probably top 3. SF just stacked right now ...

I'd give u lebron... He is definitely better than Durant... No question...

[Dre_7]

I hope you're right.

FWIW Obama and Hillary are not synonymous choices - even if dropping the party line.

Not sure what Hilary has to do with it honestly. All I know, is conservatives (at least the ones I know) cannot stand Obama.

[Keepin' it real]

you should read it though, it changed mind on Kawhi's situation. I hope he rehabs it right, takes as much time as necessary


"Looking good in workouts, better than before"

Better than before what?

[bklynspursfan]

Better than before what?

Probably better than before when he was working towards his first return.

[Dre_7]

This doesn't really matter since it's his opinion. I doubt Kawhi has even been in his ear about any of this.

It is more than just his opinion. He said his sources told him. Whether his sources are right is one thing, but it definitely isn't just an opinion. At least not according to Young.


Sources tell the San Antonio Express-News Leonard was rehabbing in New Jersey over the All-Star break. If his leg were to improve, Leonard still hopes to attempt a comeback next month; hence Popovich kept the door slightly open for a return while appearing skeptical.

[bklynspursfan]

Cheers bklynspursfan, between this and Spurs personnel actually being with him for his trip to NY shines some positive light in this crappy turn of events.

:toast Definitely crappy., but hopefully it has a happy ending. That would be him returning this season

[spurs2112]

Wouldn't surprise me either. But what LA did doesn't necessarily mean that are gunning for him per say, just that they are going to go after big names. Whether it be Kawhi, LeBron, Cousins, PG13. They want to make a splash. Hopefully it is this off season with PG13 and not next with Kawhi.
True, but I don't think we can overlook the "going home" factor either. You know the one thing that bothered me the most out of all this was the tweet from Young. The one about, and I'm paraphrasing here, Kawhi just goes to work and goes home with his family, he's not Tim, he's not the Spurs best friend. Who would honestly say something like that about a team sport. To be successful in any team sport you have to build some bond, trust with your teammates. Sure, I'm not saying you have to be best friend have a father figure son type relationship but you know what I mean. I'm going to guess that was leaked by the uncle. I'm starting to wonder if the uncle feels threatened by Pop and doesn't want Kawhi to form a close bond with him a la Tim Duncan.

[Dre_7]

True, but I don't think we can overlook the "going home" factor either. You know the one thing that bothered me the most out of all this was the tweet from Young. The one about, and I'm paraphrasing here, Kawhi just goes to work and goes home with his family, he's not Tim, he's not the Spurs best friend. Who would honestly say something like that about a team sport. To be successful in any team sport you have to build some bond, trust with your teammates. Sure, I'm not saying you have to be best friend have a father figure son type relationship but you know what I mean. I'm going to guess that was leaked by the uncle. I'm starting to wonder if the uncle feels threatened by Pop and doesn't want Kawhi to form a close bond with him a la Tim Duncan.

I feel ya there, but home can't offer 219 million. My hope is that the super max is more enticing than going home for Kawhi. I honestly don't know what he is going to do (if he is even offered it). But he is still a Spur so I have to hold out hope. Good thing is, July is only 5 months away so we will have more clarification then.

[dabom]

Jabari article said Kawhi is working out trying to come back to play for the Spurs. It doesn't put too much stock into a crazed uncle demanding Kawhi play for LA. :lol :lol

[dabom]

Also Dre_7 putting in a lot of work on this chumps. :lol

[SAGirl]

It also points to Kawhi's desire to still play this year. Which, IMO, is a good sign. He may not play, but the fact that, according to Young's sources, Kawhi still wants to play.
Well, for those concerned about the uncle and the drama and him wanting to be traded perhaps it’s a small comfort.

Personally I have always been concerned more about the injury than the uncle... that’s just me . So this doesn’t give me much comfort at all. Tiago Splitter and Grant Hill and Penny etc all wanted to come back and play... but body and mind are two separate things.

I think if he were right the drama and the uncle would be really easily taken care of. Lamarcus wanted to get traded and he’s still here. But if Kiwi’s career has turned into something else due to the injury .... then getting signs he wants to play again doesn’t mean anything.

[Pavlov]

I wonder if Kawhi actually voted for Donald Trump, and THIS is what has jaded his relationship with Pop. It all seems so surreal that this type of political animosity could shatter 'strong relationships' but we see it everywhere else in society. It's speculative as well, but such a narrative could help explain the suddenness and the otherwise inexplicable nature of the rift between them.

We saw this dynamic lead Dwayne Dedmon away.

And before David Lee retired, he made it clear that "his political stance got him into trouble with his former 'boss'" - whether or not he was referring to Pop is debatable. I do believe however, that David Lee on one leg would've been 10 times better than Joffrey.

This is why talking politics at work is taboo - because it affects the integrity of decision making, due to personal biases stemming from political affiliations.


I still have hope that Kawhi returns this season and that all of this hubris stems SOLELY from frustrations about the nature of the injury itself.lol

A weird combination of projection and wishcasting.

[spurs2112]

I feel ya there, but home can't offer 219 million. My hope is that the super max is more enticing than going home for Kawhi. I honestly don't know what he is going to do (if he is even offered it). But he is still a Spur so I have to hold out hope. Good thing is, July is only 5 months away so we will have more clarification then.
Yup. We just have to take a wait and see approach. :toast here's hoping for a positive outcome for the Spurs, Kawhi and their fans! :flag:

[rjv]

i'm just taking pop's word for now. it is what it is. if he plays he plays but he probably won't. maybe that's just pop being caustic and deciding to move on with the press and the team and just going from there or maybe it's just what it is at face value. the real determination will be made this summer when it comes to how the spurs address his max offer. until then, it's just seeing if the spurs make the playoffs or the lottery.

[dabom]

i'm just taking pop's word for now. it is what it is. if he plays he plays but he probably won't. maybe that's just pop being caustic and deciding to move on with the press and the team and just going from there or maybe it's just what it is at face value. the real determination will be made this summer when it comes to how the spurs address his max offer. until then, it's just seeing if the spurs make the playoffs or the lottery.

He was being cautious. Also, it felt heart wrenching for him to say the news. He didn't want to shut Kawhi out because Pop feels like Kawhi wants so bad to return. It also gets rid of all this "uncle" bullshit talk. :lol

[DJR210]

Fuck him, he deserved that one guy's daughter with a broken arm bugging him in H-E-B for an autograph

[Dex]

Fuck him, he deserved that one guy's daughter with a broken arm bugging him in H-E-B for an autograph

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Not sure you commit to that supermax if it's a degenerative quad issue.

[BillMc]

Yup. We just have to take a wait and see approach. :toast here's hoping for a positive outcome for the Spurs, Kawhi and their fans! :flag:

:toast Cheers man.

Now, cause of your avatar I'm going to go listen to Tom Sawyer.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Until Kawhi and his crew actually want to explain what the fuck is going on (considering he's been medically cleared to play), I'm going to assume he's being a soft pussy sitting out to get a free $20 million

[DJR210]

This the same guy that had "incurable" pink eye for 3 months tbh.. Not surprised things have played out the way they have

[BatManu20]

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[dbreiden83080]

And a second opinion about what at this point? Does he actually think that he needs surgery and the Spurs doctors are simply lying to him?

[SAGirl]

Not sure you commit to that supermax if it's a degenerative quad issue.
Exactly my concern. There were rumors it was degenerative and that he would have it the rest of his career, he won’t be able to play B2B and needs to be managed with possible flaring up of pain. This outcome is looking more likely than not. I hope to be wrong.

[BatManu20]

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[spurs2112]

:toast Cheers man.

Now, cause of your avatar I'm going to go listen to Tom Sawyer.
:toast

[dbreiden83080]

Exactly my concern. There were rumors it was degenerative and that he would have it the rest of his career, he won’t be able to play B2B and needs to be managed with possible flaring up of pain. This outcome is looking more likely than not. I hope to be wrong.

Well then he might as well retire after next season then. That is the last year of guaranteed money from the spurs. Unless he opted into that player option. If you can’t even get out there on the court with an injury that does not require surgery missing an entire season he should retire.

[dabom]

So woj didn't say anything and he didn't speculate on the summer. Smart man. :lol

[dabom]

If anything woj just gave us the usual Pop talk. :lol

[spursistan]

Ro47KXMKMFY
Woj at 1:20 "he's been cleared by the Spurs doctors and outside doctors, and it is on him.." :wow

So yeah, he just being a pussy or he simply has the pain tolerance threshold of a 4-year-old..

[dabom]

He also confirmed that the second opinion was just like the team's doctors.

Putting all the pressure on Kawhi. If Kawhi feels something's not right, he should trust his body.

[dabom]

Woj at 1:20 "he's been cleared by the Spurs doctors and outside doctors, and it is on him.." :wow

So yeah, he just being pussy or simply have the pain tolerance threshold of a 4-year-old..

Faggots always trying to blame someone. Top 5 shittiest poster on this site. :lol

[daslicer]

I wonder if Kawhi actually voted for Donald Trump, and THIS is what has jaded his relationship with Pop. It all seems so surreal that this type of political animosity could shatter 'strong relationships' but we see it everywhere else in society. It's speculative as well, but such a narrative could help explain the suddenness and the otherwise inexplicable nature of the rift between them.

We saw this dynamic lead Dwayne Dedmon away.

And before David Lee retired, he made it clear that "his political stance got him into trouble with his former 'boss'" - whether or not he was referring to Pop is debatable. I do believe however, that David Lee on one leg would've been 10 times better than Joffrey.

This is why talking politics at work is taboo - because it affects the integrity of decision making, due to personal biases stemming from political affiliations.


I still have hope that Kawhi returns this season and that all of this hubris stems SOLELY from frustrations about the nature of the injury itself.

Wow sounds like wishful thinking from you in thinking Kawhi could be a Trumper. It's silly how Trumpers on this board get overly sensitive about Pop being anti-trump. I have to say who cares. I didn't give shit when David Robinson was extremely pro-Bush during the early '00s even though I was anti-Bush.

[robert1886]

People keep claiming it’s all on spurs but with that video Woj says it’s outside doctors . Hopefully that just smoothes things out for Kawhi now knowing it’s up to him when he plays .

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Kawhi is mindfucked, he is imagining pain in his leg at this point. Embarrassing to see what the MVP pressure did to him.

[SAGirl]

Woj at 1:20 "he's been cleared by the Spurs doctors and outside doctors, and it is on him.." :wow

So yeah, he just being a pussy or he simply has the pain tolerance threshold of a 4-year-old..
At one point it may be actionable as refusing to show up for games.

It wouldn’t surprise if Spurs personnel are with him to make sure he’s working towards getting better and to verify what he’s doing. It’s not something to get a calming feeling over. It’s like getting someone sent to your home when you called in sick to make sure you aren’t lying. I don’t think Kiwi has any option on whether the team personnel “monitors” him or “accompanies” him. He hasn’t reported to the facilities bc he’s seeing specialists in NY and thus Spurs are making sure he’s actually getting better.

[dabom]

At one point it may be actionable as refusing to show up for games.

It wouldn’t surprise if Spurs personnel are with him to make sure he’s working towards getting better and to verify what he’s doing. It’s not something to get a calming feeling over. It’s like getting someone sent to your home when you called in sick to make sure you aren’t lying. I don’t think Kiwi has any option on whether the team personnel “monitors” him or “accompanies” him. He hasn’t reported to the facilities bc he’s seeing specialists in NY and thus Spurs are making sure he’s actually getting better.

But what about his uncle? :lmao

[bklynspursfan]

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[Chinook]

I want to know what Ja Rule thinks about all this.

[BatManu20]

Players are tired of hearing about him too. Probably think he's a diva now. They're ready to move forward without him. Onward and upward, etc.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

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Truth bomb, they are telling Leonard to shit or get off the pot, I think Leonard gives it a go in the next 2-3 weeks or never plays for the Spurs again

[dabom]

No one is telling Kawhi shit. He is just trying to rally the troops. Manu is the last player to talk shit about anyone.

[dabom]

People need to infer better. :lol

[Keepin' it real]

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Manu with the shot across the bow.

[UZER]

Jabari's tweet makes me feel a little better. I hope he feels confident and healthy to comeback this season

Pops comments slightly hinted at "wouldn't be fair to the other guys" if Kawhi comes back at this point.

[dabom]

Pops comments slightly hinted at "wouldn't be fair to the other guys" if Kawhi comes back at this point.

Wtf? :lol

All those players WANT Kawhi back. :lol

[UZER]

Manu with the shot across the bow.

I just posted about Pops comments then is just read the Manu tweet. :lol

[dabom]

People taking soundbites without the whole conversation and running with it. :lol

[SuperCam]

multiple teammates are calling out this soft shit but some player fan fluffers on here are still defending him every post when Kiwi couldn't give one rancid dog shit turd about you :lol

[pad300]

nobody would say otherwise anyway

Well, I would say otherwise. Better player on court = Kawhi. Why better D, smarter team player, not as driven by need to be ALPHA DOG on offence. Off Court, give me Kawhi, even with the current drama. Injury issue is less bad than Player GM (especially when the player is a bad GM - see being unable to coexist with Shaq, not to mention the mess made post-Pau), especially if it turns out Kawhi is right about his injury status (or even just comes back healthy next season).

[bklynspursfan]

Truth bomb, they are telling Leonard to shit or get off the pot, I think Leonard gives it a go in the next 2-3 weeks or never plays for the Spurs again

I definitely think there's a deadline for him to return at this point, that he'll either meet or won't meet.

[dabom]

multiple teammates are calling out this soft shit but some player fan fluffers on here are still defending him every post when Kiwi couldn't give one rancid dog shit turd about you :lol

Not even a Spurs fan. :lol

[Dre_7]

966750162440871936

Here is Manu's full quote:
We know know who we are, and it's not like, 'Is he coming back next week?' At this point of the season, there is only twenty games left, so we've got to face the rest of the season as if he isn't coming back. We are too close to the playoffs to keep waiting, so if he is back, awesome. We will welcome him. But if he isn't, we just have to go to battle with what we have. We have had a tough season, but we are still hanging around in the third spot, and we are still optimistic about our chances. We can't be complaining and crying and feeling bad for ourselves. Every team in the history of the game has had injuries. So if that is what is up for us this year, fine. We can't be complaining. We can't be feeling bad for ourselves. We just have to go fight, play our best game and play our best hand with the cards we've had.

[dabom]

Of course I was right. :lol

God ya faggots are something. :lol

[TheRemix]

I just feel like the dude is being extra cautious about his injury. Now I know a lot of you want him to man up and play through it but he's not trying to be another derrick rose or grant hill. I don't get the vibe that he wants out of SA. I'll believe he wants out when he demands a trade

[Dex]

Here is Manu's full quote:

Thank you for including the full context.

[Russ]

I wonder if Kawhi actually voted for Donald Trump, and THIS is what has jaded his relationship with Pop.

I live in SoCal and have for many years.

Guys from Compton don't vote for Trump (if they vote at all).

That is one conspiracy theory that we can put to bed.

[Keepin' it real]

I live in SoCal and have for many years.

Guys from Compton don't vote for Trump (if they vote at all).

That is one conspiracy theory that we can put to bed.

:lol

[bklynspursfan]

Here is Manu's full quote:

Thanks :tu

I was mobile and saw the tweet so wanted to share, didn't see the full quote. I know Manu is usually very direct anyway.

It's gotta be somewhat of a load off the other guys to focus on playing

[marinoman]

I just hope this is like when sam presti kept saying serge ibaka is out this round vs the spurs and pop kept saying hes coming back, that just typical presti.
Hopefully this is typical pop, though i doubt it

[phxspurfan]

Here is Manu's full quote:


We know know who we are, and it's not like, 'Is he coming back next week?' At this point of the season, there is only twenty games left, so we've got to face the rest of the season as if he isn't coming back. We are too close to the playoffs to keep waiting, so if he is back, awesome. We will welcome him. But if he isn't, we just have to go to battle with what we have. We have had a tough season, but we are still hanging around in the third spot, and we are still optimistic about our chances. We can't be complaining and crying and feeling bad for ourselves. Every team in the history of the game has had injuries. So if that is what is up for us this year, fine. We can't be complaining. We can't be feeling bad for ourselves. We just have to go fight, play our best game and play our best hand with the cards we've had.

What a fuckin no nonsense baller. That's real talk from a true champion.

[hater]

Lmao Manure

Optimistic about what you rancid piece of turd?

You are a round 1 exit at this point

[Pocho La Pantera]

Lmao Manure

Optimistic about what you rancid piece of turd?

You are a round 1 exit at this point you are so fucking stupid that you don't even understand what you read

[spurs10]

What a fuckin no nonsense baller. That's real talk from a true champion. You said it!

[rjv]

People taking soundbites without the whole conversation and running with it. :lol

ST posters love click bait.

[Keepin' it real]

Here is Manu's full quote:

I prefer Osborn's tweet, thanks.

[phxspurfan]

I bet his uncle met with the Knicks while in NYC.

[Dre_7]

What a fuckin no nonsense baller. That's real talk from a true champion.

He is a fucking legend. Always been a huge Manu fan. Dude is in great shape and balling his heart out at 40. Respect!

[Russ]

Woj at 1:20 "he's been cleared by the Spurs doctors and outside doctors, and it is on him.." :wow


'
This may be a good thing if it restores Kawhi's confidence in the Spurs' medical staff.

My guess is that Kawhi's opinion about where to play in the future is not set in stone.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Here is Manu's full quote:


What a fuckin no nonsense baller. That's real talk from a true champion.

:tu

[spurs10]

I just feel like the dude is being extra cautious about his injury. Now I know a lot of you want him to man up and play through it but he's not trying to be another derrick rose or grant hill. I don't get the vibe that he wants out of SA. I'll believe he wants out when he demands a trade

Good take. I just heard some talk radio yahoo say Pop called him "a faker" by not returning and he did no such thing. Manu and him said the same thing, it's time to move forward with who we have. If Kawhi is in pain I doubt anyone wants him playing. If anyone thinks he is 'faking' then prove it for that's a breach of contract.I think Pop and the team are just facing the facts. Either way he's on board next year and we will see what happens.

[Phenomanul]

Wow sounds like wishful thinking from you in thinking Kawhi could be a Trumper. It's silly how Trumpers on this board get overly sensitive about Pop being anti-trump. I have to say who cares. I didn't give shit when David Robinson was extremely pro-Bush during the early '00s even though I was anti-Bush.

LOL "wishful thinking" conjecture... :lol :lol

I just want Kawhi to play dammit.

The whole situation is inexplicably baffling. It would have to take something completely looney and unprofessional (such as what happened to Dwayne Dedmon and David Lee - providing some precedence) to malign what I thought was an exemplary "father / son" relationship.

[Dre_7]

LOL "wishful thinking" conjecture... :lol :lol

I just want Kawhi to play dammit.

The whole situation is inexplicably baffling. It would have to take something completely looney and unprofessional (such as what happened to Dwayne Dedmon and David Lee - providing some precedence) to malign what I thought was an exemplary "father / son" relationship.

What happened with Dedmon?

[Phenomanul]

What happened with Dedmon?

He was benched and sent to Pop's doghouse despite good play on the floor. Dedmon voted for Trump. His relationship with Pop was strained and became abrasive because of politics, and Dedmon did not stay quiet about disagreements.

[smaka]

A couple of months ago I made a thread saying we should tank for Doncic, and that I would even trade Kawhi for him; y'all laughed back then. But now...

[RD2191]

A couple of months ago I made a thread saying we should tank for Doncic, and that I would even trade Kawhi for him; y'all laughed back then. But now...

Yes, you're still a faggot.

[Dre_7]

He was benched and sent to Pop's doghouse despite good play on the floor. Dedmon voted for Trump. His relationship with Pop was strained and became abrasive because of politics, and Dedmon did not stay quiet about disagreements.

Is there a source for this? I just googled it but couldn't find anything.

[bklynspursfan]

966774102647328769

that comment is on the first photo of Kawhi on her page btw

[dabom]

966774102647328769

that comment is on the first photo of Kawhi on her page btw

Pretty much my point. :lol


MaNu4Tres (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5714) faggot. :lmao :lmao

[dabom]

If someone says "uncle" one more fucking time. :lol

[Keepin' it real]

A couple of months ago I made a thread saying we should tank for Doncic, and that I would even trade Kawhi for him; y'all laughed back then. But now...

https://media.giphy.com/media/rI9O6UXkCjvTG/giphy.gif

[daslicer]

He was benched and sent to Pop's doghouse despite good play on the floor. Dedmon voted for Trump. His relationship with Pop was strained and became abrasive because of politics, and Dedmon did not stay quiet about disagreements.

There is no proof out there that Dedmon voted for Trump. Another loony conspiracy theory you are making up.

[hater]

Its Kawhis fault if retarded fans are telling stories about his uncle, aunt, grandma and/or unicorns and sprites

Until he opens his mouth he is allowing all this to happen

Hes either the most machiavellic person alive or an autist

[bklynspursfan]

There is no proof out there that Dedmon voted for Trump. Another loony conspiracy theory you are making up.

I've seen some crazy ones, but that one was up there.

[Dre_7]

There is no proof out there that Dedmon voted for Trump. Another loony conspiracy theory you are making up.

I searched multiple ways, couldn't find anything. He is full of it. I couldn't find anything about David Lee being unhappy with Pop's politics as well.

[Clipper Nation]

Lmao Manure

Optimistic about what you rancid piece of turd?

You are a round 1 exit at this point

What should he have said? That the Spurs aren't contenders anymore? Your boy Porker already did that, and then the rest of the Spurs carried him to 5.

[Seventyniner]

A couple of months ago I made a thread saying we should tank for Doncic, and that I would even trade Kawhi for him; y'all laughed back then. But now...

Still laughing. Thanks for checking in.

[spurs2112]

[QUOTE=bklynspursfan;9295904]966774102647328769

that comment is on the first photo of Kawhi on her page btw[/QUOTE

That's good to hear, was starting to believe all the rumors about him for a bit. How does that saying go, sometimes the simplest answer is the right answer.

[hater]

What should he have said? That the Spurs aren't contenders anymore? Your boy Porker already did that, and then the rest of the Spurs carried him to 5.

Keep his stinking mouth shut

All this bullshit about we will be fine and we like our chances is nothing more than bullshit. Spurs are a round 1 exit IF THEY MAKE THE PLAYIFFS.

shut your fucking mouth

No wonder Kawhi want to bolt this team full of sissies and cucks

[spurs10]

I've seen some crazy ones, but that one was up there. :lol


I searched multiple ways, couldn't find anything. He is full of it. I couldn't find anything about David Lee being unhappy with Pop's politics as well. Yes and you won't find it either. It is funny though.

[Dre_7]

Keep his stinking mouth shut

All this bullshit about we will be fine and we like our chances is nothing more than bullshit. Spurs are a round 1 exit IF THEY MAKE THE PLAYIFFS.

shut your fucking mouth

No wonder Kawhi want to bolt this team full of sissies and cucks

The thing about guys like Manu is that they are competitive. They have a fire and passion and desire to compete. They want to win, believe they can win, and will leave it all out on the floor to win. Those kind of players don't resign themselves to thinking they are 1st round fodder. That is what makes guys like him compete at the highest level for many years. That is the absolute opposite of being a sissy or cuck. Manu doesn't need to do anything you say, pal.

[hater]

Yeah yes a senile old bastard that should have reired ling ago

Agree

[r0drig0lac]

Players are tired of hearing about him too. Probably think he's a diva now. They're ready to move forward without him. Onward and upward, etc.

really?

[cd98]

[QUOTE=bklynspursfan;9295904]966774102647328769

that comment is on the first photo of Kawhi on her page btw[/QUOTE

That's good to hear, was starting to believe all the rumors about him for a bit. How does that saying go, sometimes the simplest answer is the right answer.


Yes, but since he doesn’t address it, he invites speculation.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

really?

Well he is acting like his liddle quaddy quad is so hurt that he cant even play :cry :cry Meanwhile, we have Tony with a wrose injury balling out and Manu always plays with like 90 injuries and has played with a broken arm in the past. The players wont say it, but their "leader" is a fucking no show when they need him most with an imaginary injury.

[r0drig0lac]

Well he is acting like his liddle quaddy quad is so hurt that he cant even play :cry :cry Meanwhile, we have Tony with a wrose injury balling out and Manu always plays with like 90 injuries and has played with a broken arm in the past. The players wont say it, but their "leader" is a fucking no show when they need him most with an imaginary injury.

I'll just disagree, I just think they're a bit uncomfortable about having to answer questions about it every day

[DPG21920]

False. There was a huge article all over espn about brady’s “Strained relationship” with Belichik and the Pats medical team like a month ago

I know that - but you still see Brady playing, engaged with teammates and having success and no where are you hearing “Brady wants out”

[Keepin' it real]

The Spurs/Kawhi drama led most national sports talk shows today, except Cowturd, of course, who just spent as entire segment licking LeBron's anus per par ... and now is talking about a college football QB at the draft combine.

[Nathan89]

https://streamable.com/5oqn2

:lmao

edit:

Amuse posted a tweet with the video in this link.

966794354793709568

[Nathan89]

:claw

[SpursforSix]

https://streamable.com/5oqn2

:lmao

:lol

[YGWHI]

https://streamable.com/5oqn2

:lmao

Love this :lol

[spurs50_]

Can't stand Colon and it's true, he does lick Lebron's ass.... Probably even asked him to be his Valentine...

[YGWHI]

What a fuckin no nonsense baller. That's real talk from a true champion.
While fans here are saying Pop should retire after this season, Spurs should tank... We never deserved Manu nor Tim and Parker.

[Chomag]

https://streamable.com/5oqn2

:lmao

edit:

Amuse posted a tweet with the video in this link.

966794354793709568
Man I'm dying!! Thanks for this!

[Seventyniner]

Well he is acting like his liddle quaddy quad is so hurt that he cant even play :cry :cry Meanwhile, we have Tony with a wrose injury balling out and Manu always plays with like 90 injuries and has played with a broken arm in the past. The players wont say it, but their "leader" is a fucking no show when they need him most with an imaginary injury.

Kawhi has at least 10 years of his career left if he stays healthy and doesn't have any chronic or degenerative problems. Manu is near retirement and Tony won't be too far behind.

[UZER]

Kawhi has at least 10 years of his career left if he stays healthy and doesn't have any chronic or degenerative problems. Manu is near retirement and Tony won't be too far behind.

:lol sure man

[MoSpur02]

https://streamable.com/5oqn2

:lmao

edit:

Amuse posted a tweet with the video in this link.

966794354793709568

:lol

[BatManu20]

https://streamable.com/5oqn2

:lmao

edit:

Amuse posted a tweet with the video in this link.

966794354793709568


:lol

[MannyIsGod]

LMAO @ the Ricky Bobby tweet.

LMAO @ Hector trying to say every black athlete voted for Trump.


I would rather see Kawhi in a Spurs uni for the rest of his career but I'm also OK with officially closing the era and tanking. Losing sucks, but there's something exciting about starting over and the writing is on the wall about the Spurs era coming to an end.

[TimDunkem]

:lol sure man

Man is going to be collecting checks until he's 50. :lol

[tholdren]

I would like to go to a male strip club.

[DMC]

:lol I don't think political differences are going to cause someone to want to walk away from 219 million dollars. Hell, I would work for Trump himself for 219 million, and I can't stand the guy.

Besides, one of Kawhi's few Tweets was a pic with him and Obama saying it was one of the greatest moments of his life. That doesn't sound like any of the conservatives I know.
So you've made it clear what you are, now we are just haggling over the price.

:lol

[DMC]

The forum is a microcosm of society. Like a school of fish, just a hint of a suggestion can bend the opinions of "staunch fans" away from someone who they purportedly support through thick and thin.


:lol

[tholdren]

The forum is a microcosm of society. Like a school of fish, just a hint of a suggestion can bend the opinions of "staunch fans" away from someone who they purportedly support through thick and thin.


:lol

Your avatar sucks

[Chris]

Good stuff. Skip flexes his knowledge on the Spurs.

RuFrDPecJUg

[LkrFan]

966794354793709568

:lol

[Leetonidas]

Good stuff. Skip flexes his knowledge on the Spurs.

RuFrDPecJUg

Good watch. :tu

[Phenomanul]

Is there a source for this? I just googled it but couldn't find anything.

It was on his twitter account at some point last year. I can't find the posts anymore - as it appears he took the one I'm remembering down. Dewayne is pro-life, pro-guns, is an ardent believer, etc... Pop is not. Given today's polarizing climate and given the fact that most conservatives face vitriol and backlash for voicing unpopular opinions it's no wonder that folks are now keeping such comments to themselves. Athletes (and other high profile folks) have been excoriated and demonized for voicing support for Trump. Your own mocking condescension in this thread is proof of the mob mentality that ensues at any such mention of Trump (or support for his policies) [it even brought Chumpdumper out of the political forum... next thing we know and boutons will take over the thread]. There is a reason I don't post in the liberal cesspool known as the Political Forum anymore. To quote Reagan, "Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so".

Dewayne's Twitter handle: Dewayne Dedmon (@d_dedmon3)

As for David Lee, he was wearing a MAGA hat or shirt (can't remember which). Pop is easily triggered these days. Speculative? Sure, but not entirely out of the realm of possibility that they clashed on the matter. I still contend that Lee is a better player than Joffrey... but whatever :rolleyes

tbh, I just want Kawhi to play. I'm still hopeful.

[Leetonidas]

Really? So Pop benched Dedmon because he voted for Trump but played David Lee who also voted for Trump. Lol. That doesnt make sense especially considering Lee retired. He didnt come back because of his injury and wanting to retire. If he did another team would have certainly made an offer. This trumper victim card shit is played out man

[daslicer]

Really? So Pop benched Dedmon because he voted for Trump but played David Lee who also voted for Trump. Lol. That doesnt make sense especially considering Lee retired. He didnt come back because of his injury and wanting to retire. If he did another team would have certainly made an offer. This trumper victim card shit is played out man

Agreed he's reaching for straws with his loony conspiracy theories.

[TE]

Good stuff. Skip flexes his knowledge on the Spurs.

RuFrDPecJUg
Damn good on the info.

I wonder how many specialists he went to in addition to the ones mentioned. If true about the radiology report bit, I'd take it with a grain of salt especially given the fact that it's tendon fiber in question. You could put ten specialists/radiologists in a room and give them five MSK images, they would agree and disagree some on the reading.

Skip is arguably the most insider of prominent media members, so this scares me as a Spurs fan.

I expect Kawhi to decline the offer this summer. THAT will probably be like a nuclear bomb detonation going off in this place.

[gospursgojas]

Damn good on the info.

I wonder how many specialists he went to in addition to the ones mentioned. If true about the radiology report bit, I'd take it with a grain of salt especially given the fact that it's tendon fiber in question. You could put ten specialists/radiologists in a room and give them five MSK images, they would agree and disagree some on the reading.

Skip is arguably the most insider of prominent media members, so this scares me as a Spurs fan.

I expect Kawhi to decline the offer this summer. THAT will probably be like a nuclear bomb detonation going off in this place.

Fuck that. Spurs ain’t offering shit.

[TE]

Fuck that. Spurs ain’t offering shit.
The more and more Kawhi stays silent on this and fails to address the situation, the more I am personally inclined to side with that sentiment.

[Phenomanul]

Really? So Pop benched Dedmon because he voted for Trump but played David Lee who also voted for Trump. Lol. That doesnt make sense especially considering Lee retired. He didnt come back because of his injury and wanting to retire. If he did another team would have certainly made an offer. This trumper victim card shit is played out man

Proof is in the pudding. PATFO didn't bring either back. :shootme

David Lee healed from his injury, much like Parker healed from his... he was forced to retire, however, because the Spurs didn't want him back - and then he posted that he wanted more time with his girlfriend so he leaned towards retirement. It worked out for him.

Had the Spurs made an offer (none that I know of to my knowledge) I'm certain Lee would've taken it. BECAUSE again, he is likely still a better player today than Joffrey.

LOL Trump "victim" card... Pop is triggered about anything related to Mr. Orange Head Narcissist. He can't help it. Your own projections of Pop's objectivity on such matters are negated by his very vocal, and constant need to call Trump out on everything his administration does. Pop even admitted he "cried for the nation, and was sick to his stomach" when Trump won the election. Why even admit such a thing if you didn't have strong feelings about it? You and other folks in this thread are in clear denial that the animus and polarization brought about by Trump's presidency HAS affected every public square, and every facet of our society - the NBA at large or the Spurs' Organization are no exceptions. Tensions are heightened beyond repair - CIVIL discourse has been replaced with bullish spite. But yeah, let's all claim that Pop's clear hatred for DJT DOESN'T affect any of his interpersonal relationships. :rolleyes He's gone off the deep end in his zeal to be a spokesperson for the 'resistance' movement. He clearly likes that role, otherwise he wouldn't continue to bash ad infinitum.

AS for the dynamic that led to Lee and Dedmon's exits, I clearly said it was all speculative - But I also said, that such a scenario was not entirely out of the realm of possibility (given Pop's behavior).

[Chris]

Damn good on the info.

I wonder how many specialists he went to in addition to the ones mentioned. If true about the radiology report bit, I'd take it with a grain of salt especially given the fact that it's tendon fiber in question. You could put ten specialists/radiologists in a room and give them five MSK images, they would agree and disagree some on the reading.

Skip is arguably the most insider of prominent media members, so this scares me as a Spurs fan.

I expect Kawhi to decline the offer this summer. THAT will probably be like a nuclear bomb detonation going off in this place.

Apparently he just saw the one specialist in New York, but multiple times. Guessing Kawhi's uncle has instructed him not to talk, possibly even pursuing other avenues for that big money in the offseason instead of settling for HEB commercials. Probably lost all faith in our medical staff which would mean he's at odds with Pop. Out of character for Pop to comment on Kawhi like that on pure speculation. Sounds motivated. Only Kawhi can provide the answers at this point, because everyone else has certainly put their opinion in the hat.

[UZER]

Apparently he just saw the one specialist in New York, but multiple times. Guessing Kawhi's uncle has instructed him not to talk, possibly even pursuing other avenues for that big money in the offseason instead of settling for HEB commercials. Probably lost all faith in our medical staff which would mean he's at odds with Pop. Out of character for Pop to comment on Kawhi like that on pure speculation. Sounds motivated. Only Kawhi can provide the answers at this point, because everyone else has certainly put their opinion in the hat.

The question is, when Kawhi ends up somewhere else, after the game will Pop grope him like he does everyone else he pretends to like? Or will it be a cold "sup" head nod?

[DPG21920]

Apparently he just saw the one specialist in New York, but multiple times. Guessing Kawhi's uncle has instructed him not to talk, possibly even pursuing other avenues for that big money in the offseason instead of settling for HEB commercials. Probably lost all faith in our medical staff which would mean he's at odds with Pop. Out of character for Pop to comment on Kawhi like that on pure speculation. Sounds motivated. Only Kawhi can provide the answers at this point, because everyone else has certainly put their opinion in the hat.

Kawhi losing faith in a medical staff that like others has him cleared to play :lol

[objective]

If this politics nonsense was legit, Sean wouldn't be employed by the team and doing broadcasts.

Don't forget Sean campaigned for and raised money for W.

[tim_duncan_fan]

The forum is a microcosm of society. Like a school of fish, just a hint of a suggestion can bend the opinions of "staunch fans" away from someone who they purportedly support through thick and thin.


:lol

I only support:

1) Players that want to be here and

2) the franchise itself.

If Kawhi isn't feeling it, let him go.

I wouldn't mind picking early, to be honest. Only reason we were relevant after D-Rob got old is because we were lotto at the exact right time.

Ultimately, long-term, the culture is the only thing that has to remain.

[Chris]

The question is, when Kawhi ends up somewhere else, after the game will Pop grope him like he does everyone else he pretends to like? Or will it be a cold "sup" head nod?

Guessing grope plus a subtle jab that will go over Leonard's head. :lol

[Dre_7]

So you've made it clear what you are, now we are just haggling over the price.

:lol

No need to haggle just give me 219 million

[spurs10]

Proof is in the pudding. PATFO didn't bring either back. :shootme

David Lee healed from his injury, much like Parker healed from his... he was forced to retire This is not true. He had a player option which he and he alone declined.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Z0P20NNurKE

Paul Pierce and Scottie Pippen weigh in.

[SAGirl]

Good stuff. Skip flexes his knowledge on the Spurs.

RuFrDPecJUg
This was a great show and discussion of the medical situation. I am digging this take. I have been concerned Kiwi is not fine.

It's a shame the injury has created this rift but it's what happened and it ruined Kiwi's season too. He was on pace to be the MVP this year, now there's doubt he's even going to be alright.

[sasaint]

Fuck that. Spurs ain’t offering shit.

Whatever caché the Spurs and Pop have would be severely undermined if they were to offer the face of the franchise a supermax only to get spurned.

[eDizzle20]

Watching the Pop interview it’s clear he’s agitated with Kawhi. He’s calling him out. This offseason will be interesting. At what point will Kawhi even play. This season, next season, ever again. Hard to fathom trading a top 5 player, but you can’t let Kawhi walk without getting something in return.

[BatManu20]

Charles on TNT: "I wish he (Kawhi) would come out and say something... I would love for Kawhi to come out and say I love the Spurs, I love playing in San Antonio, I'm just not healthy. I don't want to hear that there's a disconnect between the team. I hate that stuff."


Kenny: "He owes that to the Spurs. They're the best. They're the best organization in the NBA. They're best in the business who everyone emulates, everyone gets jobs just because they worked for the Spurs.. he owes it to the Spurs, who have treated him great."

[BillMc]

Z0P20NNurKE

Paul Pierce and Scottie Pippen weigh in.

Nice vid. Thanks.

[NASpurs]

Can't quote BatManu20's quote since he's quoting himself but here's the video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlUxrmyrlo8

[spurs10]

Right on! Thanks BAtManu20 and NASpurs for posting Charles and the real Jet give us props! Well deserved!

[BillMc]

Can't quote BatManu20 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33095)'s quote since he's quoting himself but here's the video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlUxrmyrlo8

Thanks for that. :toast

[spurs10]

Z0P20NNurKE

Paul Pierce and Scottie Pippen weigh in. Great video! Basically says Pop is right, if he is not okay to play now then it's getting near to shutting it down. No one wants to see Kawhi play hurt. As Paul and Scottie say ‘wait for the supermax’ next summer and don’t risk getting hurt further.

[venitian navigator]

Sorry to say it but The Jump made, throught Pippen and Pierce, a good point. The IT story with the Celtics is gonna compromise the relationship between Players and Teams for a long time going on. Basketball is a game but is also an economical game, where the two parties make their best interest...and that came into play when you have to make decision on health.
its scaring when you have the suspect that teams are playing games with your health that are gonna compromise you future chances to make money.
IT will always in his life have that suspect...that AINGE AND THE BOSTON STAFF, INCLUDED THE MEDICAL STAFF, PLAYED THE DIRTY GAME WITH HIM, COSTING HIM MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

One thing that works in Spurs favor, is that they always had caution with player's health and have always respected the player will. Thay made the same in the whole situation with Kiwhi and he and his agent knows that. The second thing that work in Spurs favor is that they are the only team allowed to give him the supermax.
The problem is and will be, going on from now, the confidence in each other.
Because Kawhi's image is rapidly passing from being one of the hardest players on court thanks also to his gim-rat mentality, to a crystal pussy with a low limit af pain suffering.
But one thing is for sure...in the new NBA, the passion for the game will come priority second, once and only once you completely cleared your priority first, that is make the most of your money given your ability and phisical condition.
In this sense I agree with Pippen and Pierce: in this situation for Kiwhi the best choice will be stay out and take the supermax or something near the supermax. Then you can jump and dive on the floor for the rest of your career, pain or no pain, no matter what.
The way it could work for the Spurs is that is giving them a lot of reasons to negotiate not only something less than the supermax but, most of all, to eliminate every chance of a player option during the course of the contract...bacause, if one thing is sure about the whole stuff, is that the player option that Kiwhi have after next season is the main reason why he and his agent have played all this story in the way they did.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcUEj5M8oH4

[bklynspursfan]

966809894044258304

[Dex]

966809894044258304

The only people questioning his heart and dedication are the fans, media and all the Nancies around here.

I'm sure the Spurs have been nothing short of supportive with his decision, even if it does put them in a tough spot.

Everyone wanted the Spurs to come out and say SOMETHING, and now it's all being twisted around to suit personal agendas.

[Russ]

The only people questioning his heart and dedication are the fans, media and all the Nancies around here.

I'm sure the Spurs have been nothing short of supportive with his decision, even if it does put them in a tough spot.

Everyone wanted the Spurs to come out and say SOMETHING, and now it's all being twisted around to suit personal agendas.

I think that would be a minority interpretation.

The Spurs are like E.F. Hutton -- understated, but when they speak, people listen very carefully.

The Spurs have spoken.

[SAGirl]

966809894044258304
It’s basically what has led me to believe he has something still. He’s not right which is no less alarming bc he’s seeing the best specialists and has been given all possible leeway to follow his preferred treatment path and he’s still not right. It’s a shame if something like this ends up breaking what has been a very profitable partnership for both Kiwi and the Spurs. It would also be a shame if he’s never quite right after this injury.

[rjv]

the only certainty here is that there is no certainty here.

[YGWHI]

The only people questioning his heart and dedication are the fans, media and all the Nancies around here.
I wouldn't say "the fans" is fair...Only a few fans that love drama and morbid stories.

There are other fans that don't buy rumors and trust in what they have seen in last 6 years, a player who's a gym rat, unmatchable work ethic, with a burning desire to get better. A player who loves to play basketball.


"He signed the paperwork for the “max contract” that is technically for four years with a player’s option for a fifth and averages to $18.8 million per season. He shook hands. Posed for some quick photos. And then motioned to Taylor Cunningham, his former high school teammate and part of his offseason practice group.

They had to go. They had had another hour at the gym.


“I was scheduled to work out,” Leonard says, “so I did.”

Leonard did “celebrate” with his agent and close friends at a local steakhouse that night, but he politely cut the night short. He had a two-hour session in the weight room at 8 a.m. the next morning, followed by 2½ hours on the court at 11:30, followed by another hour or so of ballhandling and shooting in the late afternoon or evening.

“He’ll be knocking on my bedroom door at 7,” Cunningham says. “He’s like, ‘Get up. Let’s go.’ People think we’re going out, having fun, going to parties, going to clubs. It’s not like that. We’re working hard. We go to bed early.”

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sdut-kawhi-leonard-spurs-contract-sdsu-2015oct27-story.html


"I could be on the court for two hours and it felt like 10 minutes," Leonard says. "It made time go by." .."So many people care so much about being popular," says Jeremy Castleberry, who grew up with Leonard. "He never did."

As an unassuming sophomore at Canyon Springs High in Moreno Valley, Calif., Kawhi declined to correct a reporter who kept awarding his points to a teammate. "Doesn't matter," Leonard told his mom.

As a senior at Martin Luther King High in Riverside, he blew off the Nike camp when his peers would have cut up their Kobes for an invitation. "I don't need the exposure," he told his AAU coach, Marvin Lea.

He ruled out UCLA and USC because San Diego State recruited him first."

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/15/kawhi-leonard-spurs-tim-duncan-gregg-popovich-tony-parker-manu-ginobili

This is Kawhi. He always has been the same guy.

[YGWHI]

The Spurs have spoken.
And what they said? I didn't hear Pop saying Kawhi refuses to play. He said Kawhi isn't ready and doubt he would play this season.

Where's the crazy "go to LA" "but but his uncle..."

If he's not ready to play, he won't play. That's all.

[Dex]

I wouldn't say "the fans" is fair...Only a few fans that love drama and morbid stories.

There are other fans that don't buy rumors and trust in what they have seen in last 6 years, a player who's a gym rat, unmatchable work ethic, with a burning desire to get better. A player who loves to play basketball.


"He signed the paperwork for the “max contract” that is technically for four years with a player’s option for a fifth and averages to $18.8 million per season. He shook hands. Posed for some quick photos. And then motioned to Taylor Cunningham, his former high school teammate and part of his offseason practice group.

They had to go. They had had another hour at the gym.


“I was scheduled to work out,” Leonard says, “so I did.”

Leonard did “celebrate” with his agent and close friends at a local steakhouse that night, but he politely cut the night short. He had a two-hour session in the weight room at 8 a.m. the next morning, followed by 2½ hours on the court at 11:30, followed by another hour or so of ballhandling and shooting in the late afternoon or evening.

“He’ll be knocking on my bedroom door at 7,” Cunningham says. “He’s like, ‘Get up. Let’s go.’ People think we’re going out, having fun, going to parties, going to clubs. It’s not like that. We’re working hard. We go to bed early.”

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sdut-kawhi-leonard-spurs-contract-sdsu-2015oct27-story.html


"I could be on the court for two hours and it felt like 10 minutes," Leonard says. "It made time go by." .."So many people care so much about being popular," says Jeremy Castleberry, who grew up with Leonard. "He never did."

As an unassuming sophomore at Canyon Springs High in Moreno Valley, Calif., Kawhi declined to correct a reporter who kept awarding his points to a teammate. "Doesn't matter," Leonard told his mom.

As a senior at Martin Luther King High in Riverside, he blew off the Nike camp when his peers would have cut up their Kobes for an invitation. "I don't need the exposure," he told his AAU coach, Marvin Lea.

He ruled out UCLA and USC because San Diego State recruited him first."

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/15/kawhi-leonard-spurs-tim-duncan-gregg-popovich-tony-parker-manu-ginobili

This is Kawhi. He always has been the same guy.

I guess I should have said the "fickle fans".

People who have followed Kawhi's career closely know he is no prima donna or drama queen.

It's a strange and frustrating situation, to be sure...but assuming anything at this point would just be jumping to conclusions.

Of course, ESPN and the other outlets are jumping all over it and sensationalizing it because it is one of the rare "media-worthy" stories they've had about the Spurs since their last title.

[YGWHI]

I guess I should have said the "fickle fans".

People who have followed Kawhi's career closely know he is no prima donna or drama queen.

It's a strange and frustrating situation, to be sure...but assuming anything at this point would just be jumping to conclusions.

Of course, ESPN and the other outlets are jumping all over it and sensationalizing it because it is one of the rare "media-worthy" stories they've had about the Spurs since their last title.

:tu

[spurraider21]

the spurs traded up to take kawhi... a very incomplete player at the time, and within 3 years was DPOY and Finals MVP because the spurs put him in a position to succeed and grow without putting too much pressure on him. and as his game has improved, the team has made him more and more of a focal point on offense. they gave him a max contract at the first opportunity. they made the WCF this past season. i just don't see a compelling reason for him to try to force his way out.

sure, he can build his brand better in a bigger market, but that's never seemed to be that big a priority to him. he always hides from the spotlight and seems to be a win-first guy.

if he doesn't trust team medical staff because he's not feeling right despite having been cleared, then he has that right. but he should definitely make some public comment given the whirlwind of a story this has become.

[bklynspursfan]

Kawhi talk starts around 28 min.. Not much new, just more discussion, Woj saying he could clear this all up by coming out and speaking, but knows Kawhi doesn't talk much to anyone. Just because that's who he is. But he has some responsibility to his team to clear the air a bit on the situation

967133808620392450

[phxspurfan]

The KawaiTing Game

[DPG21920]

Kawhi talk starts around 28 min.. Not much new, just more discussion, Woj saying he could clear this all up by coming out and speaking, but knows Kawhi doesn't talk much to anyone. Just because that's who he is. But he has some responsibility to his team to clear the air a bit on the situation

967133808620392450

So weird considering it was Woj with Lowe/Wright that basically started the drama and now saying “he can squash the rumors”. Bruh, you reported the rumors! If he squashes them that means you messed up :lol

[MoSpur02]

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/23/kawhi-leonard-injury-lebron-james-mvp-cavs-warriors-nba-storylines-to-watch

From Sports Illustrated. Talks about distance between Spurs and Kawhi.

[sasaint]

So weird considering it was Woj with Lowe/Wright that basically started the drama and now saying “he can squash the rumors”. Bruh, you reported the rumors! If he squashes them that means you messed up :lol

:tu Quote... Reporters... End quote. :lol

[spurs10]

966809894044258304 Love this post and concur. Also agree with DPG21920 that it was Woj who started all this drama in the first place and now he’s asking Kawhi to clean up his mess by speaking to the media. Pop never said ‘he’s cleared to play and won’t’ that was all Woj stirring that pot.

Also some nice quotes posted by YGWHI today. If Kawhi could play he would. When he can play he will. ‘What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.’

[bklynspursfan]

So weird considering it was Woj with Lowe/Wright that basically started the drama and now saying “he can squash the rumors”. Bruh, you reported the rumors! If he squashes them that means you messed up :lol

I mean technically here is what Woj reported initially



Months of discord centering on elements of treatment, rehabilitation and timetables for return from a right quadriceps injury have had a chilling impact on San Antonio Spurs (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) star Kawhi Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard)'s relationship with the franchise and coaching staff, league sources told ESPN.

And that still seems to be the case today, it's about his rehab, 2nd opinions, return from injury, etc.. But once he reported that, it opened the floodgates for Jalen Rose, Stephen A, and any other theories thrown out there, mainly around the fact Kawhi is unhappy and wants out.

I think he meant more so about him coming out and addressing the injury/rehab complications, despite the fact that he's away from the team. Ramona referred to Nash when he had a mysterious back injury in LA, and saw different specialists away from the team, but kept the media/teammates informed. Said he was frustrated and wanted to help the team, but he didn't know what was wrong with his back. They also mentioned Kawhi isn't Nash when it comes to be communicative

[BillMc]

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/23/kawhi-leonard-injury-lebron-james-mvp-cavs-warriors-nba-storylines-to-watch

From Sports Illustrated. Talks about distance between Spurs and Kawhi.

These lyrics seem an accurate measure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJuoBHSlQs0



Just kidding. :lol

[bklynspursfan]

Just another article on this and Kawhi having to feel comfortable enough to return. From Kawhi's old stomping grounds


Kawhi Leonard, Spurs disagreement not that unusual
We ave talked about it with Aaron Rodgers (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-aaron-rodgers-ct-scan-1210-story.html) and others. The Leonard situation, who has been sidelined this season witrh quadriceps tendinopathy, is no different.

The timing dynamic of when someone returns to play is always a three-headed monster. It is a joint decision between medical staff, player and team. All three parties have to agree for the player to return. Any one of the three "votes no," and it doesn't happen.


In the end, only the patient can judge pain and symptoms. I will say, having primarily worked in the NFL but also having been a part of an NBA (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/topic/sports/basketball/nba-15008001-topic.html) medical staff, it is more difficult to play in the NBA when not at 100 percent. For a football player late in the season, 80 percent is tantamount to full strength. A basketball player needs to be closer to 100 percent to be effective.


Of course, once Leonard says he is ready, the team, as Spurs coach Gregg Popovich (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/topic/sports/basketball/gregg-popovich-PESPT000009508-topic.html) has indicated, has the right to say "too late" out of a desire to not disrupt chemistry late in the season.

Having been in the professional sports medical trenches, I can see how this may be playing out in San Antonio. It does not signal the end of Leonard's tenure with the Spurs. Working through the process of getting medical staff, player and team to agree before return to play is normal.





http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/nba/sd-sp-pfd-kawhi-leonard-spurs-cleared-not-playing-0222-story.html

[SAGirl]

I mean technically here is what Woj reported initially



And that still seems to be the case today, it's about his rehab, 2nd opinions, return from injury, etc.. But once he reported that, it opened the floodgates for Jalen Rose, Stephen A, and any other theories thrown out there, mainly around the fact Kawhi is unhappy and wants out.

I think he meant more so about him coming out and addressing the injury/rehab complications, despite the fact that he's away from the team. Ramona referred to Nash when he had a mysterious back injury in LA, and saw different specialists away from the team, but kept the media/teammates informed. Said he was frustrated and wanted to help the team, but he didn't know what was wrong with his back. They also mentioned Kawhi isn't Nash when it comes to be communicative
That back injury eventually retired Nash ... food for thought

[bklynspursfan]

That back injury eventually retired Nash ... food for thought

Yea. he was also much older and had more mileage, + different injury .

Not saying it's not possible with Kawhi, but very different. Maybe it takes a few years off his career, but there's no indications at least now, that there's any concern for that. Especially since he has been cleared by all docs. It's just Kawhi who needs to feel comfortable/confident enough to get on the court

[pad300]

On RealGM Wiretap:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249074/Kawhi-Leonard-Spurs-Have-Tremendous-Disconnect-Right-Now

[SAGirl]

Yea. he was also much older and had more mileage, + different injury .

Not saying it's not possible with Kawhi, but very different. Maybe it takes a few years off his career, but there's no indications at least now, that there's any concern for that. Especially since he has been cleared by all docs. It's just Kawhi who needs to feel comfortable/confident enough to get on the court
I obviously know it’s very different. Every example is going to be different anyways.

What’s similar is the seriousness of the complications and the fact specialists had to be consulted, with ultimately no solution being able to be found.

I am afraid Kiwi isn’t heading in a good direction with his comparables... He can be medically cleared bc there’s no structural damage and yet there can be changes at the molecular level, with his tendon basically being diseased. I hope he finds a real solution to his problem...

[Russ]

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/23/kawhi-leonard-injury-lebron-james-mvp-cavs-warriors-nba-storylines-to-watch

From Sports Illustrated. Talks about distance between Spurs and Kawhi.

Here is the verbatim SI report:


2. Kawhi Leonard. The Kawhi conversation would be the most interesting subplot in the NBA if there were any chance we'd learn anything new over the next two months. Alas, Spurs omerta will probably prevent us from ever getting much more than what we know based on Pop's comments and Woj's reporting: Kawhi is probably not coming back this year. The decision on when to return is reportedly up to him as he's been cleared to play, but he's remaining sidelined for reasons that aren't entirely clear. It's a strange situation. Communication between the Spurs and their MVP candidate hasn't been great, and even Popovich doesn't seem to have many answers for what's gone wrong or what comes next. Kawhi is eligible to sign a supermax extension to stay with the team this summer, or he can hit unrestricted free agency in the summer of 2019. Both of those details add some drama to the next few months.

A source from another team told me recently that the distance between Leonard and the Spurs is real, but the Spurs aren't panicking. They'll wait until he comes back before making any franchise-altering decisions, even if that means waiting until next September. We'll see. Waiting to work things out when Kawhi returns seems like the prudent course, and that's probably the most likely outcome. But Kawhi playing basketball this year was also considered a foregone conclusion at one point, and what's happened since has been strange enough to make you wonder about the future.

For now, Kawhi Leonard's injury is like Markelle Fultz's jumpshot, but it's happening to one of the five most valuable players in the sport. If he shocks everyone and returns by the playoffs, it creates the most credible Warriors threat outside of Houston. If he doesn't return and the relationship doesn't improve, the rest of the league enters the offseason with a MVP-caliber superstar who might be more available than anyone would've ever imagined.

The bolded (by me) passage would seem to be the bottom line.

[SAGirl]

Here is the verbatim SI report:



The bolded (by me) passage would seem to be the bottom line.
Nice find

[bklynspursfan]

Jabari (his opinion) expects Kawhi back, says pay attention to first week of March-Mid March at latest

967197856686735360

[SPURt]

Jabari (his opinion) expects Kawhi back, says pay attention to first week of March-Mid March at latest

967197856686735360
To think I keep looking down expecting to see the sky, when in fact it’s right where it’s supposed to be.

[spurs10]

Jabari (his opinion) expects Kawhi back, says pay attention to first week of March-Mid March at latest

967197856686735360 :toast Here’s to hoping he’s right!

[BatManu20]

Good writeup by Mike Finger, tbh.

967212463593701379

[Uriel]

Good writeup by Jeff, tbh.

967212463593701379
The article is by Mike Finger, not Jeff McDonald.

[BatManu20]

The article is by Mike Finger, not Jeff McDonald.

Whoops. FIFY.

[bklynspursfan]

:toast Here’s to hoping he’s right!

Yes! :bobo

[tholdren]

The only people questioning his heart and dedication are the fans, media and all the Nancies around here.

I'm sure the Spurs have been nothing short of supportive with his decision, even if it does put them in a tough spot.

Everyone wanted the Spurs to come out and say SOMETHING, and now it's all being twisted around to suit personal agendas.

Youre dumb.

[Dex]

Youre dumb.

Thanks for your input.

[tholdren]

Thanks for your input.

Had the spurs or kl said something there would be no drama. Silly you fail to see that

[gambit1990]

not jumping to conclusions.

how does him not playing help his career?

[dabom]

not jumping to conclusions.

how does him not playing help his career?

Doctors are not entirely 100% correct all the time. Kawhi is the sole owner of his body. If he has something wrong with his body, he needs time to fix that.

If he feels something wrong and plays even though the doctors cleared him, he can re injure himself even worse. It can turn chronic. We don't want that to happen. That is another perspective.

[gambit1990]

Doctors are not entirely 100% correct all the time. Kawhi is the sole owner of his body. If he has something wrong with his body, he needs time to fix that.

If he feels something wrong and plays even though the doctors cleared him, he can re injure himself even worse. It can turn chronic. We don't want that to happen. That is another perspective.
i agree, i'm fine with kawhi sitting out.

i meant i don't seeing him not playing just because.

lotta people turning their back on him... if he thinks he's not ready i'm fine with that.

[dabom]

i agree, i'm fine with kawhi sitting out.

i meant i don't seeing him not playing just because.

lotta people turning their back on him... if he thinks he's not ready i'm fine with that.

I know what you mean. All this fucking conspiracies. :lol

Kawhi is not playing because he isn't 100% healthy. That's it.

[tholdren]

I know what you mean. All this fucking conspiracies. :lol

Kawhi is not playing because he isn't 100% healthy. That's it.

So let him say it. Then no issue.

[Chillen]

Yes Kawhi has to speak up to clear the air on why he is not playing, sooner the better. This is becoming a distraction to the team.

[widowmaker]

Ok get off the spurs books and file for social security mother fucker!

but no seriously. Does he have a disease or something? HIV like magic? Maybe that’s why he wants to go to LA so he can get the treatment? Who knows anymore let’s come up with our own crazy assumptions because he’s too scared and pussy to address his real issues.

[daslicer]

Ok get off the spurs books and file for social security mother fucker!

but no seriously. Does he have a disease or something? HIV like magic? Maybe that’s why he wants to go to LA so he can get the treatment? Who knows anymore let’s come up with our own crazy assumptions because he’s too scared and pussy to address his real issues.

Doesn't matter where you live when it comes to HIV treatment. HIV is very manageable disease these days with the medication they have available to treat it. I even heard Stern say in an interview a year or two that there have been multiple players in the league that have played with HIV besides Magic.

[sasaint]

Clearly Kawhi does not see himself as the leader of this team or the face of this franchise. Perhaps that's not what he wants anywhere.

[spurs10]

i agree, i'm fine with kawhi sitting out.

i meant i don't seeing him not playing just because.

lotta people turning their back on him... if he thinks he's not ready i'm fine with that. True


I know what you mean. All this fucking conspiracies. :lol

Kawhi is not playing because he isn't 100% healthy. That's it.and true!

[UZER]

I know what you mean. All this fucking conspiracies. :lol

Kawhi is not playing because he isn't 100% healthy. That's it.

While that's true, I think there IS a strain on PATFO and Kawhi's relationship. I also think the injury has let Kawhi see this roster without him and has opened his eyes to what a shit team PATFO has put together too, with horrible contracts to make it even worse.

Can the relationship be fixed? Sure. But they are definitely in rough waters.

[Keepin' it real]

Clearly Kawhi does not see himself as the leader of this team or the face of this franchise. Perhaps that's not what he wants anywhere.

a.k.a. Durantitis.

[LakerHater]

Clearly Kawhi does not see himself as the leader of this team or the face of this franchise. Perhaps that's not what he wants anywhere.
intereseting, its like hes seein LMA steal the shine & he isnt likin it!

[UZER]

intereseting, its like hes seein LMA steal the shine & he isnt likin it!

Funny. LMA thought the same thing about Kawhi last year.

[LakerHater]

Funny. LMA thought the same thing about Kawhi last year.
so hopefully this summer will have the same outcome as last summer

[cjw]

There is a difference between saying PATFO put together a crap roster and saying they mismanaged the roster. The team has treaded water just fine despite injuries to key guys beyond Kawhi. There wasn’t a lot else they could have done to have a better roster THIS year. Yes, could have tried to create cap space but what were you bringing in instead of Mills/Gasol/Gay? Someone please enlighten me. Don't forget too the roster was built with Kawhi in mind. Mills spends a lot less time as a primary ball handler and is catching and shooting a lot more.

That said, the Mills contract was bungled and Gasol’s was to a lesser extent. If that’s the only price they were willing to stay for, you take a step back this year and create flexibility in the future.

If Kawhi is upset with the latter, that’s understandable. But was he involved in the decision-making? He sure as hell wasn’t recruiting anyone to take that Mills/Gasol cap space!

[Spurtacular]

Kawhi ain't no Larry Bird, tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tR4JjeaAU8

[objective]

Maybe Kawhi needs his own billboard for when he gets back?

[Chinook]

so hopefully this summer will have the same outcome as last summer

Patty getting $100 Million this time?

[cutewizard]

One solution.....extend the supermax to Diaw.....lol

Hahaha :bobo

[Chillen]

Till Kawhi speaks himself this is all speculation, but it's bad for the franchise and the team. Wish he would clear the air with the media.

[r0drig0lac]

intereseting, its like hes seein LMA steal the shine & he isnt likin it!

funny

[duncan2k5]

intereseting, its like hes seein LMA steal the shine & he isnt likin it!

LMA steal shine? Lmfao... U guys are stupid to think Kawhi would have his ego fractured by LMA finally pulling some weight... Even tho it IS the regular season

[BillMc]

Thanks for your input.

I blame Dex's sig. How can Kawhi play with that arm injury? PATFO need to get off his back. Looks career threatening to me. :lol

[sasaint]

intereseting, its like hes seein LMA steal the shine & he isnt likin it!

No, I don't think so. I don't think he is jealous of LMA's stealing something he, himself, doesn't want.


a.k.a. Durantitis.

I hate to dispute a colleague's diagnosis, But after he sought a second opinion from me, I believe he has Congenital Durantosis compounded by atrophy of the vocal cords.

[absoloot66]

I hate to dispute a colleague's diagnosis, But after he sought a second opinion from me, I believe he has Congenital Durantosis compounded by atrophy of the vocal cords.

:rollin:bobo:rollin

[ECOV]

Kawhi ain't no Larry Bird, tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tR4JjeaAU8
Larry was 32 at the time, kawhi is 26 with more to lose.
just because you play with injuries doesn't make you great, anything can happen then your career can be fucked.

[Dex]

I blame Dex's sig. How can Kawhi play with that arm injury? PATFO need to get off his back. Looks career threatening to me. :lol

:lol

In retrospect, I may have jinxed the whole damn season.

I'm sorry everybody. :cry

[tholdren]

Larry was 32 at the time, kawhi is 26 with more to lose.
just because you play with injuries doesn't make you great, anything can happen then your career can be fucked.

It does. Youre wrong

[BillMc]

:lol

In retrospect, I may have jinxed the whole damn season.

I'm sorry everybody. :cry

:lol:toast

[SPURt]

Larry was 32 at the time, kawhi is 26 with more to lose.
just because you play with injuries doesn't make you great, anything can happen then your career can be fucked.
Not to be that guy, but that doctor said he first hurt his back in 85’ shoveling gravel for his mother, making him 28. I agree with you, no need to risk it. I wonder if rest would’ve even helped Bird?

[tholdren]

Not to be that guy, but that doctor said he first hurt his back in 85’ shoveling gravel for his mother, making him 28. I agree with you, no need to risk it. I wonder if rest would’ve even helped Bird?

No. He should have lifted weights and strengthen post chain and core. The rest and surgerty shit is getting annoying

[ECOV]

It does. Youre wrong
your opinion

[ECOV]

Not to be that guy, but that doctor said he first hurt his back in 85’ shoveling gravel for his mother, making him 28. I agree with you, no need to risk it. I wonder if rest would’ve even helped Bird?
oh shit my bad , should have done more research, and i would of think so in some way

[tholdren]

your opinion

Right bc no one talks about the jordan flu game, emmit v giants, willis reed, kerri strug, gibson, tiger, schilling... brett farve, cal ripkin jr, brady, rodgers, i mean its absurd to say otherwise

[ECOV]

Right bc no one talks about the jordan flu game, emmit v giants, willis reed, kerri strug, gibson, tiger, schilling... brett farve, cal ripkin jr, brady, rodgers, i mean its absurd to say otherwise
ehh still doesn't make them great, its the legacy they left behind. oh and i pretty sure Jordan was hung over , just my theory

[BatManu20]

Stephen A."I've been told directly that Kawhi's Uncle is a problem for the organization."


Max Kellerman: "I have heard the same thing. That's what people are saying."

kA66nAvEEII

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Patty getting $100 Million this time?

The meltdown when Kyle and Danny get $50 mil extensions will be epic.

[DeRozan m8]

Can Kawhis fuckwit uncle just fuck off already?

Where did this clown even come from?

Who the fuck is he even?

FFS

[JFK]

Can Kawhis fuckwit uncle just fuck off already?

Where did this clown even come from?

Who the fuck is he even?

FFS

Right.

I'm picturing the guy like that uncle from Friday Night Lights. Boobie Miles uncle.

Boobie Leonard.

[MoSpur02]

Right.

I'm picturing the guy like that uncle from Friday Night Lights. Boobie Miles uncle.

Boobie Leonard.

:lmao

Seeing the Spurs rally and win yesterday just frustrates me more. I wonder if Leonard is actually watching the game and pulling for the team to win? He needs to man up and go out there and play. I'm sure he knows how much better this team would be if he were playing. Either suit up and play or at least make some sort of statement to the media on the whole situation.

[BatManu20]

968360506175184897

[tholdren]

Trade

[Proxy]

968360506175184897

like how this vid ends with the comically tiny hobbit white dude saying "you mean until he got zaza-ed"

looks like he's green screened into the picture

[SPURt]

968360506175184897
Dang, I’d be looking just like that twink Casey Stern next to legit NBA sized humans. I appreciate the ZaZa comment at the end.

[SAGirl]

984304063432089600

[polandprzem]

Now we know who told kawhi not to play and not have surgery. Just rehab for 10 months

[Keepin' it real]

984304063432089600

"He uses minimally invasive techniques so that downtime and immobility are greatly reduced."

:lmao

[Spurs9]

Can someone call the doctor and ask about Kawhi?

[Russ]

Any doctor with a "traveling Shoulder Fellowship" must be listened to.