Woj: Kawhi Back in SA Working Out with Team; Spurs Expecting a March Return

[monkeypunk]

My only fear with him coming back is if he is expecting to have the ball in his hands all the time, that could disrupt the flow of offense we've put in place in his absence, mediocre as it may be. I hope he comes back and just works within the existing flow so we don't have to rejigger everything which would push us down the playoff seating and pretty much fuck our chances of going anywhere this season.

[dabom]

My only fear with him coming back is if he is expecting to have the ball in his hands all the time, that could disrupt the flow of offense we've put in place in his absence, mediocre as it may be. I hope he comes back and just works within the existing flow so we don't have to rejigger everything which would push us down the playoff seating and pretty much fuck our chances of going anywhere this season.

:lmao

[MultiTroll]

Don't want him on court anything less then 100% fully healed.

[monkeypunk]

My only fear with him coming back is if he is expecting to have the ball in his hands all the time, that could disrupt the flow of offense we've put in place in his absence, mediocre as it may be. I hope he comes back and just works within the existing flow so we don't have to rejigger everything which would push us down the playoff seating and pretty much fuck our chances of going anywhere this season.


:lmao

Learn to read, you idiot.

[dabom]

Learn to read, you idiot.

I read everything. It doesn't change what I bolded now does it? :lmao

[SAGirl]

Don't want him on court anything less then 100% fully healed.
If he still has pain there’s no point reintegrating him, I agree. Since he already attempted a comeback with pain, we don’t know if he’s fully healed or just feeling better. We shall see what happens.

[rjv]

damn. not even a deconstructionalist would spend so much time breaking down what has been written about kawhi's injury.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I still would love to get a comment from Kawhi himself regarding his status. Weirdest fvcking thing ever.

[Dre_7]

I still would love to get a comment from Kawhi himself regarding his status. Weirdest fvcking thing ever.

Same here. Once he practices with the team I am hoping the media talks to him.

[jermaine]

The Spurs without Kawhi on 2k18 is a tier 4 team. The Cavs with Labron is a tier 4 team. An 2k looooove them some Labron. Imma leave it at that!!!!

[ECOV]

This stupid rollercoaster needs to end. Kobe Bryant played with a dislocated finger like it was no big deal.

Can't compare a finger injury to a leg injury

[Darius Bieber]

Can't compare a finger injury to a leg injury

You can when it's on your shooting hand

[San Antonio Slayer]

Kobe had a fake finger injury. Have anyone here played basketball with dislocated finger on a shooting hand? I think he even scored a game winner in that game. What a hyped bullshit it was.

[Chinook]

Chinook sense of humor is sometimes so subtle that one cannot tell for sure. you can be right on this one. :toast

The part about trading Kawhi was tongue-in-cheek. But the part about people overlooking Kawhi's actual target date was not.

[MoSpur02]

I still would love to get a comment from Kawhi himself regarding his status. Weirdest fvcking thing ever.

This

[spurs10]

My hope is whatever games he plays in the regular season plus the first round of the playoffs will be enough so he's ready and integrated by the second round. Yes, obviously, I'm making an assumption that the Spurs can make the playoffs and win the first round while learning again to play with Kawhi, he with them, and his body gets back into game shape. But no first round team we are likely to face is unbeatable even with the Spurs still influx. The only fear, other than missing the playoffs, is we fall to the 8 or 7 spot and have to face Houston or Dubs in the first round. Otherwise, I think they can win while still "re-learning" how to play with KL. And if that learning curve extends the first round series, that may actually be a good thing as its more games for Kawhi before playing the big boys. (As long as they win that extended round 1 series, of course). This is an interesting thought and those who say they haven’t hoped for something like this are lying. It seems hard to believe that in such a short time we could get on another level, but at the end of his 9th, and last game, Kawhi looked like Kawhi to me. He was getting his mojo back.
:bobo

More than anything I’d like to see him get back on the court and back to the mental and physical condition you need to be to compete at that level. No one can blame us for dreaming and anything is possible.
:flag:

[wildbill2u]

That is a tough schedule ahead, but I was thinking the other day, "Assuming Kwahi gets back, position for position, we're not a bad team. Not Championship material perhaps, but still able to surprise some folks who have written us off.

[BillMc]

This is an interesting thought and those who say they haven’t hoped for something like this are lying. It seems hard to believe that in such a short time we could get on another level, but at the end of his 9th, and last game, Kawhi looked like Kawhi to me. He was getting his mojo back.
:bobo

More than anything I’d like to see him get back on the court and back to the mental and physical condition you need to be to compete at that level. No one can blame us for dreaming and anything is possible.
:flag:

Amen Bro!:toast

[tmtcsc]

Breaking News: Danny Green said he saw Kawhi in the practice facility bathroom wiping his ass. So, there's that. Good news!

[DontStopBelieving]

Breaking News: Danny Green said he saw Kawhi in the practice facility bathroom wiping his ass. So, there's that. Good news!

:lol

[exstatic]

You can when it's on your shooting hand

Does he run up and down the court on his hands?

[vy65]

Jason Garrett/Airrosti went in on Kawhi today

[spursistan]

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Pop singing a different tune :cry

[spursistan]

Magic game on March 13th is a sweet spot to make his return, IMO..

It is kinda unfair bringing him back for that @ Warriors, @ thunder @ Rockets murders row even if he chooses to..

[MaNu4Tres]

Jason Garrett came on ESPN 1250 Today and had a few interesting things to say:

- Kawhi has had this injury throughout his career and has managed it well. I

- Kawhi has actually been cleared ALL SEASON, dating back to pre-season and Spurs have been more than patient and that is where their frustration stems from.

- Also mentioned the kind of "Pull" Uncle Dennis has on Kawhi and how that can be a factor in everything.

- Also pointed to a psychological problem he might have.

Listen here: http://www.espnsa.com/hl-truth-kawhi-leonard-spurs-stretch-run-2-28-18/

[Darius Bieber]

969000086528282624

Pop singing a different tune :cry

Kawhi must have gotten Pop's nudes from Joffrey after Bonner gave it to him.

[spursistan]

Jason Garrett came on ESPN 1250 Today and had a few interesting things to say:

- Kawhi has had this injury throughout his career and has managed it well. I

- Kawhi has actually been cleared ALL SEASON, dating back to pre-season and Spurs have been more than patient and that is where their frustration stems from.

- Also mentioned the kind of "Pull" Uncle Dennis has on Kawhi and how that can be a factor in everything.

- Also pointed to a psychological problem he might have.

Listen here: http://www.espnsa.com/hl-truth-kawhi-leonard-spurs-stretch-run-2-28-18/

Holy cow !! Garrett basically eviscerated him on the cool. The "mental thing" track is now officially something one should really consider as the root cause of it all..

More worried than before, tbh. This is some DerrickRose-itis shit..

[SAGirl]

Jason Garrett came on ESPN 1250 Today and had a few interesting things to say:

- Kawhi has had this injury throughout his career and has managed it well. I

- Kawhi has actually been cleared ALL SEASON, dating back to pre-season and Spurs have been more than patient and that is where their frustration stems from.

- Also mentioned the kind of "Pull" Uncle Dennis has on Kawhi and how that can be a factor in everything.

- Also pointed to a psychological problem he might have.

Listen here: http://www.espnsa.com/hl-truth-kawhi-leonard-spurs-stretch-run-2-28-18/
Interesting.
thanks for sharing. It's amazing to think that he's always suffered from different tendinopathies and that this season they have flared up big time.

Something obviously doesn't sound right when Pop had to go public and hit some salvo shots (props Chinook) putting the burden on Kiwi, for him to respond showing up at the facilities. The timing of it is really suspicious.

[MaNu4Tres]

Holy cow !! Garrett basically eviscerated him on the cool. The "mental thing" track is now officially something one should really consider as the root cause of it all..

More worried than before, tbh. This is some DerrickRose-itis shit..

Don't know if you picked up on it in the beginning, but he mentioned Kawhi has had this injury since college. What made this year different was his Uncle and how he's taken over as his manager -- being in his ear blaming the Spurs medical staff when that's not even the case at all (second opinions cleared this too). Spurs have been more than patient. I'm glad Pop called him out.

Uncle Dennis.

[daslicer]

Don't know if you picked up on it in the beginning, but he mentioned Kawhi has had this injury since college. What made this year different was his Uncle and how he's taken over as his manager -- being in his ear blaming the Spurs medical staff when that's not even the case at all (second opinions cleared this too). Spurs have been more than patient. I'm glad Pop called him out.

Uncle Dennis.

Wow so the condition that he has is chronic but he's always had it. What his uncle did was bush league but it also says a lot about Kawhi's character not to stand up to his Uncle and tell him to STFU.

[MaNu4Tres]

Wow so the condition that he has is chronic but he's always had it. What his uncle did was bush league but it also says a lot about Kawhi's character not to stand up to his Uncle and tell him to STFU.

Knee or quad tendonitis is an injury a lot of NBA players play through.

Duncan had it pretty much his whole career.

[spursistan]

Don't know if you picked up on it in the beginning, but he mentioned Kawhi has had this injury since college. What made this year different was his Uncle and how he's taken over as his manager -- being in his ear blaming the Spurs medical staff when that's not even the case at all (second opinions cleared this too). Spurs have been more than patient. I'm glad Pop called him out.

Uncle Dennis.

Yeah, I pick it that up. There is surely a role being played by his uncle behind the scenes, and it is not helpful one to put it mildly. But this is also cast a poor reflection on Kawhi as someone who is not his own man who could be gripped by some internal anxiety that allows such external "pull" to happen.
I hope the decision to come back was sign that Kawhi is cutting that cord and not the uncle's move because the optics were starting to look ugly for both of them..

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Wow so the condition that he has is chronic but he's always had it. What his uncle did was bush league but it also says a lot about Kawhi's character not to stand up to his Uncle and tell him to STFU.

Kawhi may have told him that. No one really knows the story it seems.

[ECOV]

You can when it's on your shooting hand
You can wrap it up ,he still has his mobility. Joff played with a dislocated finger :lol

[sasaint]

Kawhi may have told him that. No one really knows the story it seems.

Very late in the day. No matter how anybody spins this, structuring a team around Kawhi seems like very risky business to me. Supermax for this guy? I just dunno...

[dabom]

Very late in the day. No matter how anybody spins this, structuring a team around Kawhi seems like very risky business to me. Supermax for this guy? I just dunno...

Stop being a faggot for once.

[south side spur]

Kawhi must have gotten Pop's nudes from Joffrey after Bonner gave it to him.

Forbes has copies as well

[Russ]

Kawhi must have gotten Pop's nudes from Joffrey after Bonner gave it to him.

Judging from Bonner's inexplicable role on the Spurs' game broadcasts, I think Bonner may still have those photos.

[UZER]

Judging from Bonner's inexplicable role on the Spurs' game broadcasts, I think Bonner may still have those photos.

It's not nude pics. It's white privilege.

[SAGirl]

Knee or quad tendonitis is an injury a lot of NBA players play through.

Duncan had it pretty much his whole career.
We all know Timmy pushed through for a lot of his career on one knee and at the end, with no knees.

This puts in perspective teammates. They have also been extremely understanding... for much, much less than that the Cavs ganged up on KLove.

[spurs10]

Jason Garrett came on ESPN 1250 Today and had a few interesting things to say:

- Kawhi has had this injury throughout his career and has managed it well. I

- Kawhi has actually been cleared ALL SEASON, dating back to pre-season and Spurs have been more than patient and that is where their frustration stems from.

- Also mentioned the kind of "Pull" Uncle Dennis has on Kawhi and how that can be a factor in everything.

- Also pointed to a psychological problem he might have.

Listen here: http://www.espnsa.com/hl-truth-kawhi-leonard-spurs-stretch-run-2-28-18/ Jason Garrett the football coach is now talking about Kawhi like he is a psychologist? I think Pop has got this right, he’s back and following protocol.

[bic50]

Breaking News: Danny Green said he saw Kawhi in the practice facility bathroom wiping his ass. So, there's that. Good news!
:lol

[tholdren]

Trade

[21209]

Woj said hes not doing 5 v5 full contact and closer to the end of March then beginning

Why bother then?

By the time he gets back, that brutal schedule and the way they've been playing lately will have the Spurs in the bottom half or out of the playoffs altogether.

[Phenomanul]

Judging from Bonner's inexplicable role on the Spurs' game broadcasts, I think Bonner may still have those photos.

Inexplicable?

Bonner has always been an outspoken communicator which is why he played a role on the NBA Players Union. Matt obviously wasn't outlandishly great at basketball because of his many other limitations. His understanding of the game was not one of them, though.

He actually does well on the broadcasts.

[Brunodf]

Hope he does comeback soon...

But they also said that he would only miss the preseason after the last playoffs :lol

[Trueblood]

It's not nude pics. It's white privilege.

Yup. And Sean Elliott doing broadcast is obviously black privilege.

[John B]

Uncle Dennis is over managing I’m sure because of the max contract. That chance doesn’t come every year especially with great players out there, Harden, Westbrook, LeBron, Durant, and now to add Davis, Greek Freak, and even Cousins. To be an MVP, DPOY, 1st Team NBA seem an impossible task. While many players played through the same condition, they did not have the max contract clause before until LeBron. So to compare Kawhi to Bird, Kobe, Jordan playing through pain is not entirely the same. It sucks but that’s the reality of today’s game.

[Keepin' it real]

Jason Garrett came on ESPN 1250 Today and had a few interesting things to say:

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[8FOR!3]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKsoVuOCiiw7Zx6/giphy.gif

The whole Kawhi Leonard injury management has been a process and we have to make sure he's prepared on all three facets of the game. I'm really proud of how he shows up to practice and competes almost on a daily basis.

[MoSpur02]

Jason Garrett came on ESPN 1250 Today and had a few interesting things to say:

- Kawhi has had this injury throughout his career and has managed it well. I

- Kawhi has actually been cleared ALL SEASON, dating back to pre-season and Spurs have been more than patient and that is where their frustration stems from.

- Also mentioned the kind of "Pull" Uncle Dennis has on Kawhi and how that can be a factor in everything.

- Also pointed to a psychological problem he might have.

Listen here: http://www.espnsa.com/hl-truth-kawhi-leonard-spurs-stretch-run-2-28-18/


So basically what we've been saying

[UZER]

So basically what we've been saying

No no no. You're not a blind PATFO homer so everything you say is wrong.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Anyone notice kawhi cheering extra hard last game :lol looked really forced and out of his norm. It was like to prove to his teammates that he still has love for them and wants to be here.

[BatManu20]

Anyone notice kawhi cheering extra hard last game :lol looked really forced and out of his norm. It was like to prove to his teammates that he still has love for them and wants to be here.

Yea it was pretty noticeable. I think someone was in his ear telling him he really needs to be on the sidelines supporting his team with all the shot that's been flying around.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Yea it was pretty noticeable. I think someone was in his ear telling him he really needs to be on the sidelines supporting his team with all the shot that's been flying around.

Yeah, what a sad turn of events. Would've never thought Kawhi's reputation would ever be damaged like this but it has.

[r0drig0lac]

Anyone notice kawhi cheering extra hard last game :lol looked really forced and out of his norm. It was like to prove to his teammates that he still has love for them and wants to be here.

It was really weird to see Kawhi and LA laughing on the bench.

[BillMc]

Jason Garrett came on ESPN 1250 Today and had a few interesting things to say:

- Kawhi has had this injury throughout his career and has managed it well. I

- Kawhi has actually been cleared ALL SEASON, dating back to pre-season and Spurs have been more than patient and that is where their frustration stems from.

- Also mentioned the kind of "Pull" Uncle Dennis has on Kawhi and how that can be a factor in everything.

- Also pointed to a psychological problem he might have.

Listen here: http://www.espnsa.com/hl-truth-kawhi-leonard-spurs-stretch-run-2-28-18/

Thanks for the link. Very interesting. I don't mean this flippantly but who is Dr. Garrett and how does he know? Is he a Spurs doctor? Should I know this name? Thanks.

[bklynspursfan]

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[TXstbobcat]

Thanks for the link. Very interesting. I don't mean this flippantly but who is Dr. Garrett and how does he know? Is he a Spurs doctor? Should I know this name? Thanks.

He is a doctor at a clinic in SA that they have on local sports talk radio shows on ESPN 1250 to give opinions on sports injuries. He isn’t a team doctor for the spurs.

[BillMc]

He is a doctor at a clinic in SA that they have on local sports talk radio shows on ESPN 1250 to give opinions on sports injuries. He isn’t a team doctor for the spurs.

Many thanks. :bobo

So, he's likely getting his info from friends on the Spurs medical staff?

[lmbebo]

https://www.airrosti.com/get-to-know-us/jason-garrett/

He's a chiropractor ... not a doctor.

[Keepin' it real]

Thanks for the link. Very interesting. I don't mean this flippantly but who is Dr. Garrett and how does he know? Is he a Spurs doctor? Should I know this name? Thanks.


He is a doctor at a clinic in SA that they have on local sports talk radio shows on ESPN 1250 to give opinions on sports injuries. He isn’t a team doctor for the spurs.

And purportedly, he got the clap from Mack Brown. Two clapping fools.

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[MaNu4Tres]

He is a doctor at a clinic in SA that they have on local sports talk radio shows on ESPN 1250 to give opinions on sports injuries. He isn’t a team doctor for the spurs.

He has worked on many Spurs players for years -- still does. He has built great relationships in the Spurs organization -- from players, to coaches, to the doctors.

So he's more than a guy who just calls in to talk about injuries.

[TXstbobcat]

Many thanks. :bobo

So, he's likely getting his info from friends on the Spurs medical staff?

i am guessing so. In the radio ads for his clinic he states that his clinic has treated Tony Parker and Becky Hammon.

[TXstbobcat]

He has worked on many Spurs players for years -- still does. He has built great relationships in the Spurs organization -- from players, to coaches, to the doctors.

So he's more than a guy who just calls in to talk about injuries.

I remember his radio ads for his clinic stating that they have treated Tony and Becky.

[BillMc]

i am guessing so. In the radio ads for his clinic he states that his clinic has treated Tony Parker and Becky Hammon.

Thanks.

[TXstbobcat]

Thanks.

you are welcome. I’m definitely ready to listen to local sports talk radio and not have Spurs injuries as the main story of the day.

[loveforthegame]

So Leonard quit on the team. That’s what Dr. Garrett is saying basically. Why would the team even welcome him back then?

[Snaq O'Meal]

It was really weird to see Kawhi and LA laughing on the bench.

They were probably laughing at all those midgets at Poop’s circus show.

[Chinook]

I do agree that Kawhi seemed to be forcing it a bit, though that doesn't mean Garrett is correct. No matter what, Kawhi has seemed very self-absorbed this season. He could have been trying to ingratiate himself with his teammates rather than just look good for the media. One way or the other, Pop's words were a wake-up call to Leonard. Kawhi has been acting the way he's been comfortable with the whole year. He's not going to take to this change like a duck to water.

[tholdren]

I do agree that Kawhi seemed to be forcing it a bit, though that doesn't mean Garrett is correct. No matter what, Kawhi has seemed very self-absorbed this season. He could have been trying to ingratiate himself with his teammates rather than just look good for the media. One way or the other, Pop's words were a wake-up call to Leonard. Kawhi has been acting the way he's been comfortable with the whole year. He's not going to take to this change like a duck to water.

Kl is a bum.

[spurs10]

Thanks for the link. Very interesting. I don't mean this flippantly but who is Dr. Garrett and how does he know? Is he a Spurs doctor? Should I know this name? Thanks.
He is chiropractor, who shares the same name as the Cowboys coach. The former you shouldn’t know his name and the latter ...yeah if you follow the Dallas Cowboys over there in Riga! :toast

[spurs10]

He has worked on many Spurs players for years -- still does. He has built great relationships in the Spurs organization -- from players, to coaches, to the doctors.

So he's more than a guy who just calls in to talk about injuries. His relationship with the Spurs organization, who he doesn’t work for, is bound to be strained after this. They would likely fire him if he did work for them after what he said. He mentions TP and Becky in his ads, but that doesn’t mean anything regarding Kawhi.

[spurs10]

So Leonard quit on the team. That’s what Dr. Garrett is saying basically. Why would the team even welcome him back then? That’s exactly what he is publicly saying. You’re right, the team wouldn’t likely welcome Kawhi back if it were true.

[SpursDynasty85]

Dude came back and his leg suffered again. He was scared and looked at second opinions. Pop told the truth about him coming back too late into the season and Leonard really wants to make the playoffs. People act like some things are just complicated. Does not mean it can't eventually workout. Glad half the people on Spurstalk aren't in the front office because the culture would absolutely suck there. Let's be honest, Kawhi was the biggest reason we won in 2014 and still relevant. I would be ecstatic if he came back healthy and signed by next year. If he is not healthy, then all his worries were legit.

[spurs10]

Dude came back and his leg suffered again. He was scared and looked at second opinions. Pop told the truth about him coming back too late into the season and Leonard really wants to make the playoffs. People act like some things are just complicated. Does not mean it can't eventually workout. Glad half the people on Spurstalk aren't in the front office because the culture would absolutely suck there. Let's be honest, Kawhi was the biggest reason we won in 2014 and still relevant. I would be ecstatic if he came back healthy and signed by next year. If he is not healthy, then all his worries were legit. :toast

[YGWHI]

What made this year different was his Uncle and how he's taken over as his manager -- being in his ear blaming the Spurs medical staff when that's not even the case at all (second opinions cleared this too).

Like Kawhi needs someone to tell him the Spurs medical staff made a mistake in the summer.

I wonder why Garret didn't mention what other doctors told Kawhi about he should have had a PRP treatment + specific quad rehab since June.

If only these guys tell the whole story..

It's easy.

1-What was the specific quad conditioning that Spurs doctors asked Kawhi to do in offseason -after he was saying since RRT his quad wasn't fine-?

2-Did Spurs medical even suggest PRP in the summer?



His relationship with the Spurs organization, who he doesn’t work for, is bound to be strained after this. They would likely fire him if he did work for them after what he said.

Not really. There is a reason why former NBA/NFL players support Kawhi about not playing if he doesn't feel ready...And why Garret and some media talk shit about him.
Players know their bodies, the rest have their own interest on taking the team side.

[YGWHI]

So Leonard quit on the team. That’s what Dr. Garrett is saying basically. Why would the team even welcome him back then?
Not just that. These same guys saying it's just a mental issue were saying that Kawhi wasnt himself in his last return..."Yeah...his explosiveness wasn't there.."

So it's only a mental issue but at the same time he's true physically injured??

What stupid people

[tholdren]

Kl go away

[tbdog]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/81y5oj/kawhis_quad_injury_understanding_tendinopathy_and/

[TD 21]

I don't get what the delay is. We all know he's long been medically cleared and it was up to him to return when he felt comfortable. After Pop publicly challenged him and issued an ultimatum, he returned with his tail tucked between his legs, yet despite that and the rumor of a "soft" return for sometime on this road trip, he somehow still isn't even playing 3-on-3? That makes no sense.

[xtremesteven33]

Nobody knows for sure what's going on more than Kawhi and Pop. As much as I wanna believe Kawhi is really hurt and unable to play. I get a sneaking suscpision there's more going on here.

[south side spur]

The Kawhite knighting will never cease. What a joke. Even when it’s becoming obvious to everyone what’s going on they still attempt to deflect blame to PATFO. Snowflakes.

[rasuo214]

Why is anyone on the team going to a chiropractor?

[djohn2oo8]

We are a few days into March, shouldn't an exact date be out there by now?

[TXstbobcat]

We are a few days into March, shouldn't an exact date be out there by now?

Spurs probably won’t say when his first game back will be until the day of the game.

[hater]

Come on

D poor bqstard is not even doing full contact practice. He is not even remotely close

Hes done

[TheGreatYacht]

The Kawhite knighting will never cease. What a joke. Even when it’s becoming obvious to everyone what’s going on they still attempt to deflect blame to PATFO. Snowflakes.
Kawhi didn't build this weak ass roster full of cancerous scrubs. I'd leave too, especially a shit and unmarketable city like San Antonio

[polandprzem]

As we all know he was not able to practice 5-5 the whole season. Now it seems that this Return is simply wishful thinking. So this summer gonna be interesting not because Spurs got any chances to win chip but the dramatic fight for Leonard.
I mean if he was to miss all season how can you evaluate him when it comes to contract negotiations>?

The worst times for Spurs organization since preTD

[cd98]

Kawhi didn't build this weak ass roster full of cancerous scrubs. I'd leave too, especially a shit and unmarketable city like San Antonio

Fair enough, but the Spurs had limited cash that they paid mostly to Kawhi and I'm sure the roster would've looked different if they knew he wouldn't have played a minute of basketball. This roster is a contender with the Kawhi of last year and LMA of this year. Even without a true point guard and an overpaid back up shooting guard.

[TimDunkem]

This roster isn't the same as last year's. Kawhi notwithstanding, this roster has less talent, athleticism, versatility, and defensive potential. That team was better suited to beat the Warriors.

Also, even if PATFO knew Kawhi wasn't going to play, I doubt that would've been enough to make them consider different moves. If anything, it has given them a built-in excuse to stand pat (oh we won 60 games last year, no need to change anything, just wait for Kawhi, we like what we have, culture first, etc).

[TheGreatYacht]

Fair enough, but the Spurs had limited cash that they paid mostly to Kawhi and I'm sure the roster would've looked different if they knew he wouldn't have played a minute of basketball. This roster is a contender with the Kawhi of last year and LMA of this year. Even without a true point guard and an overpaid back up shooting guard.
Kawhi has the best contract in all of basketball. He's a Top 3 player making $6,000,000 a year less than Otto Porter Jr. To even slightly put the blame on him for the horrendous job RC has done is ludicrous.

The reason they had limited money is the front office's fault and only theirs. Gasol, Mills, Green and Parker take up half of the cap and you could argue they are all unplayable against the real contenders.

Any roster would look different with Kawhi in it, obviously. He's the reason all of the dumbasses upstairs are still employed. He can single handily take a non-playoff team (this team) and turn them into a yearly 60+ win roster.

[TimDunkem]

Any roster would look different with Kawhi in it, obviously. He's the reason all of the dumbasses upstairs are still employed. He can single handily take a non-playoff team (this team) and turn them into a yearly 60+ win roster.

It's like no one here realizes why this team is any good. It isn't because of the pieces around Kawhi. :lmao

[SAGirl]

As we all know he was not able to practice 5-5 the whole season. Now it seems that this Return is simply wishful thinking. So this summer gonna be interesting not because Spurs got any chances to win chip but the dramatic fight for Leonard.
I mean if he was to miss all season how can you evaluate him when it comes to contract negotiations>?

The worst times for Spurs organization since preTD
I have always kept in mind Pop said he’d be surprised if he comes back this year.

[daslicer]

As we all know he was not able to practice 5-5 the whole season. Now it seems that this Return is simply wishful thinking. So this summer gonna be interesting not because Spurs got any chances to win chip but the dramatic fight for Leonard.
I mean if he was to miss all season how can you evaluate him when it comes to contract negotiations>?

The worst times for Spurs organization since preTD

I get the feeling he's not coming back this year. Just a few more weeks of speculation of his return but once April comes we will know for sure he's not coming back.

[polandprzem]

I have always kept in mind Pop said he’d be surprised if he comes back this year.

Yea - end of story tbh, that's why I am surprised Woj put 'hopes' for March return...

[polandprzem]

I get the feeling he's not coming back this year. Just a few more weeks of speculation of his return but once April comes we will know for sure he's not coming back.

April is too late. We will know in 10 days if he makes some progress and if not pop will shut the whole idea down.

[polandprzem]

Yea - end of story tbh, that's why I am surprised Woj put 'hopes' for March return...

Sorry - it is written 'expectations'

[daslicer]

April is too late. We will know in 10 days if he makes some progress and if not pop will shut the whole idea down.

That's good either way. I'm glad the speculation of his return won't last longer than a week at most.

[SAGirl]

Yea - end of story tbh, that's why I am surprised Woj put 'hopes' for March return...
I think that was a leak by Kiwi’s camp who is still hoping to play this season. Knowing what we know about him, and what teammates have leaked, he wants to come back really hard and intensely. But it may be wishful thinking from Kiwi if his body doesn’t cooperate. Think of times one wants to be well but just isn’t. You want to be not sick, but you are.

I think Pop knew Kiwis schedule put him so close to the end of the season that the smallest setback, like Kiwi getting soreness after a practice with the staff was going to make it impossible to comeback in time.

It could be possible that there aren’t any more setbacks, but only time will tell.

[spurs10]

I’m not sure when he will see the court, but remain hopeful. Maybe that last 15 game run after the three “Road Games From Hell!!”

[K...]

Regardless of whether he'll play, he still has to show up before now and contract time. His "return" may have nothing to do with the condition and more to with his contact negotiations

[spurs10]

On another note, where is the game thread? On yet another note, it’s a great time to get great seats for dirt cheap! I’ve already have seats and I’m going to hit the game and make some noise! By the looks of tickets available I might feel lonely out there!
:flag:

[nym]

I think Kawhi and the Spurs just need to give up on this season, if they haven't already, and focus on what the hell needs to be done for 2018-19 to be real contenders again. When a game against the Grizzlies is a "must win" you know the season is over.

[Dre_7]

I think Kawhi and the Spurs just need to give up on this season, if they haven't already, and focus on what the hell needs to be done for 2018-19 to be real contenders again. When a game against the Grizzlies is a "must win" you know the season is over.

Competitors don't do that. Can you imagine MJ or Kobe giving up and focusing on next season when their team is still in the playoff hunt? No, neither will Pop, Manu, Tony, and others. That is part of what makes them great competitors and HOFs.

[DPG21920]

This roster isn't the same as last year's. Kawhi notwithstanding, this roster has less talent, athleticism, versatility, and defensive potential. That team was better suited to beat the Warriors.

Also, even if PATFO knew Kawhi wasn't going to play, I doubt that would've been enough to make them consider different moves. If anything, it has given them a built-in excuse to stand pat (oh we won 60 games last year, no need to change anything, just wait for Kawhi, we like what we have, culture first, etc).

I disagree with that. I think the roster is better than last year just because of internal improvement from Kyle, Murray, Bertans and even a little from Forbes (even though I think it’s overstated how much he’s improved). LMA made big improvements too and Rudy you can see can help.

[DPG21920]

We won’t know anything until we hear that Kawhi is participating in 3v3 or especially 5v5 practices. That will be the trigger to know to expect a return date. I’m thinking Minny on 3/17 might be that date.

[nym]

Competitors don't do that. Can you imagine MJ or Kobe giving up and focusing on next season when their team is still in the playoff hunt? No, neither will Pop, Manu, Tony, and others. That is part of what makes them great competitors and HOFs.

This is true. But if he still feels pain I don't think there is any point in risking further or permanent injury. If he is up to playing then great but if he is just coming back because of Pop's jab at him in the media then leave it be. He is 26 and has his whole future to the prime years to think about.

And as far as the organization goes if the rest of the squad, which was built around Kawhi and has some serious gaps that can't be filled then they need to think about what's better a really good draft pick or a fight to the death and possibly just missing the playoffs and getting a mediocre pick? Can't only be thinking about current here and now. Need to have an eye on the future too.

[Dre_7]

This is true. But if he still feels pain I don't think there is any point in risking further or permanent injury. If he is up to playing then great but if he is just coming back because of Pop's jab at him in the media then leave it be. He is 26 and has his whole future to the prime years to think about.

If he is still feeling pain, he shouldn't play. I agree with that.


And as far as the organization goes if the rest of the squad, which was built around Kawhi and has some serious gaps that can't be filled then they need to think about what's better a really good draft pick or a fight to the death and possibly just missing the playoffs and getting a mediocre pick? Can't only be thinking about current here and now. Need to have an eye on the future too.

At this point they won't get a really good draft pick no matter what they do this year. It is too late to tank, they had to do it earlier. At this point they need to fight for a playoff spot and hope that Kawhi can come back. Because with a healthy Kawhi, this team can still make noise in the post season.

[BillMc]

If he is still feeling pain, he shouldn't play. I agree with that.



At this point they won't get a really good draft pick no matter what they do this year. It is too late to tank, they had to do it earlier. At this point they need to fight for a playoff spot and hope that Kawhi can come back. Because with a healthy Kawhi, this team can still make noise in the post season.

These.

And playoff revenue can't but help the team for next year.

[r0drig0lac]

Kawhi has the best contract in all of basketball. He's a Top 3 player making $6,000,000 a year less than Otto Porter Jr. To even slightly put the blame on him for the horrendous job RC has done is ludicrous.

The reason they had limited money is the front office's fault and only theirs. Gasol, Mills, Green and Parker take up half of the cap and you could argue they are all unplayable against the real contenders.

Any roster would look different with Kawhi in it, obviously. He's the reason all of the dumbasses upstairs are still employed. He can single handily take a non-playoff team (this team) and turn them into a yearly 60+ win roster.

this

[spurs10]

If he is still feeling pain, he shouldn't play. I agree with that.



At this point they won't get a really good draft pick no matter what they do this year. It is too late to tank, they had to do it earlier. At this point they need to fight for a playoff spot and hope that Kawhi can come back. Because with a healthy Kawhi, this team can still make noise in the post season.
Yes no doubt we need to make a hard push for a playoff spot and see what we can do.

These.

And playoff revenue can't but help the team for next year.
There is a lot to lose financially, so hell yeah!

[SAGirl]

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He was smiling and in a good mood, but notice the very marked limp he has. I don't expect him back this season and it's still worrisome.

[south side spur]

Kawhi didn't build this weak ass roster full of cancerous scrubs. I'd leave too, especially a shit and unmarketable city like San Antonio

I’m not blaming Kawhi for the roster construction. It’s just that he tapped out and this whole misdiagnosis bullshit is ridiculous. But I’m with you on the Mills and Gasol contracts being cancerous. I just wasn’t referring to that.

[Keepin' it real]

He was smiling and in a good mood, but notice the very marked limp he has. I don't expect him back this season and it's still worrisome.

What limp?

http://richardtimothy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/01-what-hump.png

[Play Boban]

Cripple

[coachmac87]

969980720449015808

He was smiling and in a good mood, but notice the very marked limp he has. I don't expect him back this season and it's still worrisome.

Don’t see a limp

[tmtcsc]

What limp?

http://richardtimothy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/01-what-hump.png

Very nicely done.

[Keepin' it real]

Very nicely done.

:bobo

[rjv]

and now gasol is hurt again and even gay may be out with of all things, an ear drum injury.

[Russ]

and now gasol is hurt again and even gay may be out with of all things, an ear drum injury.

An ear drum injury? He surely didn't get it at AT&T.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

An ear drum injury? He surely didn't get it at AT&T.

:lmao

[rjv]

An ear drum injury? He surely didn't get it at AT&T. it could have happened saturday with all the noise the lakers fans were making.

[bklynspursfan]

Don’t see a limp

Me either

[Budkin]

it could have happened saturday with all the noise the lakers fans were making.

Pretty sure Lakers fans outnumbered Spurs fans. It was pathetic.

[acoelho1]

Say he doesn’t come back this year. Who is to say he would be healthy by start of next year. This “injury”seems to have no recovery time.

[r0drig0lac]

An ear drum injury? He surely didn't get it at AT&T.

wow http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smishocked.gif post of the year

[polandprzem]

969980720449015808

He was smiling and in a good mood, but notice the very marked limp he has. I don't expect him back this season and it's still worrisome.

Well he is not depressed tbh but still he just walks there around. haven't seen him with basketball in a looong time. hard to imagine he can play next two weeks or so

[Leetonidas]

969980720449015808

He was smiling and in a good mood, but notice the very marked limp he has. I don't expect him back this season and it's still worrisome.

Trollolol

[spurs10]

An ear drum injury? He surely didn't get it at AT&T.
It was that “ttttwwwoooo shots!” thing probably.

[HarlemHeat37]

An ear drum injury? He surely didn't get it at AT&T.

:lol damn..

[TimDunkem]

An ear drum injury? He surely didn't get it at AT&T.

Damn....Truth nuke tho'.

[SAGirl]

Trollolol
I wasn't really trolling. His walking gait seems slanted. My husband has a bum knee and when it acts up I can tell just by the way he walks. He does seem to me to be favoring one knee/leg/tendon... but that is my perception of course.

PPl are free to assume Kiwi is just faking it though.

[daslicer]

I wasn't really trolling. His walking gait seems slanted. My husband has a bum knee and when it acts up I can tell just by the way he walks. He does seem to me to be favoring one knee/leg/tendon... but that is my perception of course.

PPl are free to assume Kiwi is just faking it though.

You have a husband. :lol I"m shocked I thought Kyle was your future husband.

[SAGirl]

You have a husband. :lol I"m shocked I thought Kyle was your future husband.
heh...

[apalisoc_9]

An ear drum injury? He surely didn't get it at AT&T.

What a savage :lol

[Leetonidas]

I wasn't really trolling. His walking gait seems slanted. My husband has a bum knee and when it acts up I can tell just by the way he walks. He does seem to me to be favoring one knee/leg/tendon... but that is my perception of course.

PPl are free to assume Kiwi is just faking it though.

i dont think anyone is saying hes faking it, in the context of the video you posted i think people are scoffing the notion that he has a "marked limp." because i certainly dont see a limp tbh

[tholdren]

Well he is not depressed tbh but still he just walks there around. haven't seen him with basketball in a looong time. hard to imagine he can play next two weeks or so

Who cares? Hes a pos

[Keepin' it real]

If he is still feeling pain, he shouldn't play. I agree with that.


If he is still feeling pain, he needs to man the fuck up.

[Stabula]

Just tank. This team is so bad right now we can't even tank right. Memphis out tanked us last game.

[phxspurfan]

He needs to take some icy hot and man up

NwaXE4gR66E

[tholdren]

If he is still feeling pain, he needs to man the fuck up.

[MoSpur02]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22673448/anthony-davis-new-orleans-pelicans-bounces-back-injury-scare-score-41-points-win-la-clippers

Wish someone would tell Kawhi to man up.

[duncan2k5]

I wasn't really trolling. His walking gait seems slanted. My husband has a bum knee and when it acts up I can tell just by the way he walks. He does seem to me to be favoring one knee/leg/tendon... but that is my perception of course.

PPl are free to assume Kiwi is just faking it though.

How old r u? If u don't mind...

[SAGirl]

How old r u? If u don't mind...
I don’t care about anyone to be on about my business if you don’t mind. I gave an opinion. If you don’t agree that’s just fine by me.

[KDKSpurs24]

Apparently Kawhi just spoke to the media and stated he wanted to spend his career as a Spur. Someone link that please.

[Dancelot]

Apparently Kawhi just spoke to the media and stated he wanted to spend his career as a Spur. Someone link that please.
He’s finally spoken?!

[KDKSpurs24]

He’s finally spoken?!
Yep. Check it out.

[duncan2k5]

I don’t care about anyone to be on about my business if you don’t mind. I gave an opinion. If you don’t agree that’s just fine by me.

Don't get defensive... I wasn't trying to come at u or judge u... It's just for some reason I thought u were about 17 or 18 (once again... Not a bad thing)... But then u said u have a husband, so that made me curious... I apologize for asking

[duncan2k5]

I don’t care about anyone to be on about my business if you don’t mind. I gave an opinion. If you don’t agree that’s just fine by me.

And for the most part I agree with ur opinions... I'm not sure where this hostility is coming from, tbh... Tim Duncan disapproves...

[DisAsTerBot]

Kawhi Leonard Speaks To Media, Wants To Remain With Spurs For Entire Career
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249183/Kawhi-Leonard-Speaks-To-Media-Wants-To-Remain-With-Spurs-For-Entire-Career

[SAGirl]

Apparently Kawhi just spoke to the media and stated he wanted to spend his career as a Spur. Someone link that please.
Thanks for that tip KD!:toast
This is what I found:
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971436265731182597

What he said about the team eases my mind a lot bc Kawhi is not a man to misleading or lying... he barely speaks and thus when he does it counts.
What doesn't ease the mind is that he's still not practicing. The original leaks by WoJ said late March... we shall see.

Still it's encouraging.... So glad to hear from him tbh.
:flag:

[rjv]

but, but...the uncle, jalen rose...

[duncan2k5]

WOOOO!! *dancing*

[Dex]

Brief snippet of the interview here: http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0763088842138851539-4

[SAGirl]

And for the most part I agree with ur opinions... I'm not sure where this hostility is coming from, tbh... Tim Duncan disapproves...
Sorry about the edginess.
I think bc the only thing about me that I have made public is that I am female I draw harassment, of the nature of asking about personal stuff, or pictures or whatever. I revealed I am female bc I have a different online personality than a dude and don't want to be referred to as a dude. But I do not wish to talk about my personal life anymore than anyone here does.

But again, sorry about coming across with this hostility.

[nym]

LaMarcus said in 2014/5 he wanted to be the best Blazer ever. KD said something similar about OKC. Kawhi has probably spoken with someone who has PR know how and told him to say somwthing and keep it positive to shut all the noise down. Hopefully he means this but just be aware that these stars say whatever they want and then go on and do whatever they feel like later on.

[Dex]

but, but...the uncle, jalen rose...

He hates Pop's political agenda and wants to sell shoes! He doesn't even like Taco Cabana! Fuck the Spurs!

[bklynspursfan]

971436405799886848

[Dre_7]

LaMarcus said in 2014/5 he wanted to be the best Blazer ever. KD said something similar about OKC. Kawhi has probably spoken with someone who has PR know how and told him to say somwthing and keep it positive to shut all the noise down. Hopefully he means this but just be aware that these stars say whatever they want and then go on and do whatever they feel like later on.

Aldridge meant that when he said it. Things changed and his mind changed. I believe Kawhi.

[BillMc]

971436405799886848

He speaks!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dabom]

but, but...the uncle, jalen rose...
MaNu4Tres. :lmao

[bklynspursfan]

971442942702510080

[Nathan89]

Too late Spurstalk idiots already gave up on him. :lmao

:claw

[BillMc]

Kawhi Leonard Speaks To Media, Wants To Remain With Spurs For Entire Career
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249183/Kawhi-Leonard-Speaks-To-Media-Wants-To-Remain-With-Spurs-For-Entire-Career

Kawhi doesn't seem like the "spin" type. So I believe him. Could be wishful thinking on our parts, but when you're dangling from a cliff you'll take an rope thrown your way.

[dabom]

Too late Spurstalk idiots already gave up on him. :lmao

:claw

About 90% of the posters. :lmao

[SAGirl]

LaMarcus said in 2014/5 he wanted to be the best Blazer ever. KD said something similar about OKC. Kawhi has probably spoken with someone who has PR know how and told him to say somwthing and keep it positive to shut all the noise down. Hopefully he means this but just be aware that these stars say whatever they want and then go on and do whatever they feel like later on.
Good point and of course. Should he not get what he wants in the future he may change his mind, for now though I can put that out of my mind.

I have always been really concerned about his knee/tendon/whatever the most. He must have been in real pain and the fact it has lingered all season, just seems like something that will be ongoing.

[dabom]

SAGirl. :lmao

[Nathan89]

If he wants to be a Spur then the supermax ensures that he will be a Spur tbh.

[dabom]

All ya faggots. :lmao

[Nathan89]

Should be seeing news of him practicing any day now. This seems like an "I'm back" interview given his long-term silence.

[vander]

they were just aiming to get GS in the first round all along

[SAGirl]

they were just aiming to get GS in the first round all along
:lobt2:

[bklynspursfan]

Podcast with Sekou Smith & Jabari Young

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/03/07/hang-time-podcast-san-antonio-spurs-jabari-young#/

Not much new obviously, just sharing if you need something to listen to at work lol

[bklynspursfan]

971515367431507969

[tholdren]

971515367431507969

Wow only took months

[Keepin' it real]

Will anyone else be upset if Kawhi comes back looking completely healthy? He'd better come back sucky and out of shape, otherwise it would be the biggest WTF??? of all time.

[bklynspursfan]

We have no more B2B's either, so he could play every game assuming there are no more setbacks. We need to go at least 4-2 on this 6 game home-stand.

[Darius Bieber]

We have no more B2B's either, so he could play every game assuming there are no more setbacks. We need to go at least 4-2 on this 6 game home-stand.

DNP - Return from Injury Management :pop:

[Dex]

Will anyone else be upset if Kawhi comes back looking completely healthy? He'd better come back sucky and out of shape, otherwise it would be the biggest WTF??? of all time.

I'd be highly surprised if he doesn't look rusty when he comes back...he hasn't been on a court in months as far as we know.

As for his body though, he better look completely healthy, or he probably shouldn't be coming back at all.

[bklynspursfan]

DNP - Return from Injury Management :pop:

I'm not convinced that it was PATFO making that call at this point. It was Kawhi who shut himself down the 2nd time

[Darius Bieber]

I'm not convinced that it was PATFO making that call at this point. It was Kawhi who shut himself down the 2nd time

Oh no, I meant that even when Kawhi comes back that Pop will keep him out for certain games.

[bklynspursfan]

Oh no, I meant that even when Kawhi comes back that Pop will keep him out for certain games.

I think (at least from what we've seen) is Pop probably wanted to play him more, and that's where some of the frustration stemmed from, since he was cleared for so long.

Can't really afford to sit him, but I guess we'll see what happens. Nothing would surprise me at this point lol

[Keepin' it real]

I'd be highly surprised if he doesn't look rusty when he comes back...he hasn't been on a court in months as far as we know.

As for his body though, he better look completely healthy, or he probably shouldn't be coming back at all.

This is where I'll disagree. I'd rather see him out there limping and losing with his teammates. He's gotta show he can be there in bad times.

I think, as others have discussed in another thread, if he doesn't come back this season, the Spurs will quit on him ... if they haven't already.

[Russ]

if he doesn't come back this season, the Spurs will quit on him ...

Maybe it's the other way around.

[spursistan]

Too much pressure being put on Kawhi's shoulders to salvage this trainwreck..I only want to see him healthy and feeling part of this team again..That's all what I'm asking for in the remaining of this most forgettable season.

[tholdren]

Trade

[Brunodf]

9 days left...

[Brunodf]

Woj predictions :tu :lol

[BillMc]

So sad...:depressed

[sasaint]

Too much pressure being put on Kawhi's shoulders to salvage this trainwreck..I only want to see him healthy and feeling part of this team again..That's all what I'm asking for in the remaining of this most forgettable season.

If Kawhi leaves this off-season I hope (and almost expect) ownership parts company with Pop and RC and bring in a new regime to clean up the mess.

[NASpurs]

971515367431507969

crofl all these dudes need to lose their jobs

[Leetonidas]

I guess they meant March of 2019

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971515367431507969

I'm guessing that someone was Kawhi. Or his uncle.

As part of a disinformation campaign to run out the clock.

[FkLA]

If Kawhi leaves this off-season I hope (and almost expect) ownership parts company with Pop and RC and bring in a new regime to clean up the mess.

Yeah, let's run off the GOAT coach bc Kawhi wants to go to a bigger market to grow his brand. That would really stabilize things.

This team almost won 50 with Kawhi being a faggot all year, with injuries to Gay, LMA, Green, etc. They aren't getting another Kawhi but put an all-star level player at SF instead of Fathead and this is still a 55-60 win team.

[bklynspursfan]

If Kawhi leaves this off-season I hope (and almost expect) ownership parts company with Pop and RC and bring in a new regime to clean up the mess.

I don't think people realize the huge dropoff there could be if this happens. Overall they've done a great job and have adjusted to the times. This year maybe they're getting a taste of some cultural adjustments to make, but people who want then out might not realize how it can quickly turn out bad for us.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, let's run off the GOAT coach bc Kawhi wants to go to a bigger market to grow his brand. That would really stabilize things.


:tu

[baseline bum]

If Kawhi leaves this off-season I hope (and almost expect) ownership parts company with Pop and RC and bring in a new regime to clean up the mess.

What a disaster that would be to lose RC at a time where the draft will be absolutely critical to the team. I think Pop retires early to not have to deal with a rebuild but given his and his staff's record with player development it would be a devastating blow to lose him.

[sasaint]

I don't think people realize the huge dropoff there could be if this happens. Overall they've done a great job and have adjusted to the times. This year maybe they're getting a taste of some cultural adjustments to make, but people who want then out might not realize how it can quickly turn out bad for us.

I don't think it is anything other than a gamble. But how far south has it gone with Pau? Always looking to re-loading with the over-the-hill players Pop prefers has a downside, too. Rudy has been a mixed bag. And Patty is grossly overpaid - with ripple-effect consequences for the roster that have been discussed ad nauseam here. Without a great on-court talent such as Kawhi, I believe the Spurs have begun their descent into mediocrity or worse under the present regime and its approach.

Hey, I was raised on the Dallas Cowboys. Say what you will about the unceremonious dismissal of Tom Landry by Jerry Jones, however, it had been clear for a couple of seasons that he was beyond his expiration date. It happens to the best.

[sasaint]

What a disaster that would be to lose RC at a time where the draft will be absolutely critical to the team. I think Pop retires early to not have to deal with a rebuild but given his and his staff's record with player development it would be a devastating blow to lose him.

You have a much different opinion of RC than I. He serves under Pop.

[baseline bum]

You have a much different opinion of RC than I. He serves under Pop.

Indeed I do, considering he drafted Ginobili, Giricek, Parker, Scola, Splitter, Hill, effectively Leonard, and Murray despite never having (nor trading for) a lottery pick.

[offset formation]

I don't think it is anything other than a gamble. But how far south has it gone with Pau? Always looking to re-loading with the over-the-hill players Pop prefers has a downside, too. Rudy has been a mixed bag. And Patty is grossly overpaid - with ripple-effect consequences for the roster that have been discussed ad nauseam here. Without a great on-court talent such as Kawhi, I believe the Spurs have begun their descent into mediocrity or worse under the present regime and its approach.

Hey, I was raised on the Dallas Cowboys. Say what you will about the unceremonious dismissal of Tom Landry by Jerry Jones, however, it had been clear for a couple of seasons that he was beyond his expiration date. It happens to the best.

What team gets more out of its players and possible targets each year than PATFO?

Again, we are **easily** a 60 win team with Kawhi.

[sasaint]

Indeed I do, considering he drafted Ginobili, Giricek, Parker, Scola, Splitter, Hill, effectively Leonard, and Murray despite never having (nor trading for) a lottery pick.

I would add James Anderson to the list. He was off to an incredible start his rookie season, until he suffered a fractured foot and was never the same. Different takes on whether Leonard was the actual target. The jury is still out on Murray, but White has also shown promise. A list of the bad choices would be pretty lengthy, too. But that wasn't really my point. I don't know exactly how the Spurs FO functions, however, I doubt the picks are a result of RC's talent evaluations or even his decisions. Pop is his boss. The Spurs' FO has a very different org chart than other sports franchises.

[baseline bum]

I would add James Anderson to the list. He was off to an incredible start his rookie season, until he suffered a fractured foot and was never the same. Different takes on whether Leonard was the actual target. The jury is still out on Murray, but White has also shown promise. A list of the bad choices would be pretty lengthy, too. But that wasn't really my point. I don't know exactly how the Spurs FO functions, however, I doubt the picks are a result of RC's talent evaluations or even his decisions. Pop is his boss. The Spurs' FO has a very different org chart than other sports franchises.

Mahinmi was one of Buford's worst picks and he's playing his tenth year in the league. You can't blame the injuries to Livio Jean Charles or Robertas Javtokas on Buford. Of course Leonard was the actual target, you think Pop's not going to throw a fit trading his favorite player for someone Buford didn't love? So why do you want to clear house on a front office that has shown tremendous aptitude in the draft in a period when the Spurs are going to depend entirely on the draft to rebuild the team? I don't want to go back to this team bungling the draft every year back in the 90s.

[sasaint]

What team gets more out of its players and possible targets each year than PATFO?

Again, we are **easily** a 60 win team with Kawhi.

PATFO has had a core of 3 HOFers playing together on reasonable contracts longer than any team in the history of the modern NBA. That, coincidentally, is how the Dubs patterned themselves on the Spurs as much as their refinement of the Beautiful Game. The franchise is on the cusp of losing the last of that core in short order, and the cupboard is pretty bare sans Kawhi. Re-tooling year after year with some long-in-the-tooth vets chasing a ring worked when Tim, Tony and Manu anchored the team. When that core is gone - either physically or just owing to inability to really perform that method of re-tooling will not cut the mustard. You have to have a continuous core to do that. Which players constitute that kind of core if Kawhi is gone?

[bklynspursfan]

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[sasaint]

Mahinmi was one of Buford's worst picks and he's playing his tenth year in the league. You can't blame the injuries to Livio Jean Charles or Robertas Javtokas on Buford. Of course Leonard was the actual target, you think Pop's not going to throw a fit trading his favorite player for someone Buford didn't love? So why do you want to clear house on a front office that has shown tremendous aptitude in the draft in a period when the Spurs are going to depend entirely on the draft to rebuild the team? I don't want to go back to this team bungling the draft every year back in the 90s.

Yeah, I have often wished the Spurs could have benefitted from the Mahinmi pick. (As an aside, the reason we didn't was because Mahinmi suffered an injury that led to his inability to perform for the Spurs before they gave up on him...)

My point, though, is that Pop didn't part with Hill because RC pulled the trigger over Pop's ultimate objection. Pop is RC's boss. But, please, you must admit that whatever success players drafted by PATFO have gone on to achieve in the NBA, they have not achieved it in a Spurs uniform, and our current crop of youngsters are a mixed bag at this point. The cupboard looks pretty bare to me, and the older guys are a big question mark going forward, too.

[tenbeersbold]

Why is this chump rehabbing in NYC?!?
Offseason trade is coming,
Let the douche pimp his "fancy ghetto trash" clothesline where the the hoodrats be lol

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No timetable? Lol. There's a timetable. It's called the end of the season.

[bklynspursfan]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22979734/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-returned-new-york-rehabilitation?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

[LakerHater]

Yeah, he's done!

[Raven]

not sure if this is good or bad news

[dbreiden83080]

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Its increasingly clear this fool is merely running out the clock so he never has to suit up again in a Spurs uni.

I hope a truce can be arranged in the offseason and they can come to an agreement. But its straight up toxic between them now. My bet is that he's gone.

[dbreiden83080]

Its increasingly clear this fool is merely running out the clock so he never has to suit up again in a Spurs uni.

I hope a truce can be arranged in the offseason and they can come to an agreement. But its straight up toxic between them now. My bet is that he's gone.

He is not someone we want around anyway. I have sadly come to this conclusion. He is no leader, and is soft. If somebody hurt his feelings, get over it. Your quad has been cleared to go for months and months, and you are too mentally weak to play. I am NOT going from idolizing Tim Duncan, who was tough as nails and all about the team to this fool, all about himself it would appear and fragile mentally and physically. So long KL..

[spurs10]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22979734/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-returned-new-york-rehabilitation?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Thanks for posting. What I'm not seeing in any of these articles is if the Spurs medical staff diagnosed Kawhi's injury the same as Tony's and recommended surgery straightaway. That would explain quite a bit as to why Kawhi's rehab is nothing the same as Tony's and why it's harder to predict a timeline. If surgery was not recommended as it was with Tony then everyone comparing the two is wasting their time- apples and oranges.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I have often wished the Spurs could have benefitted from the Mahinmi pick. (As an aside, the reason we didn't was because Mahinmi suffered an injury that led to his inability to perform for the Spurs before they gave up on him...)

My point, though, is that Pop didn't part with Hill because RC pulled the trigger over Pop's ultimate objection. Pop is RC's boss. But, please, you must admit that whatever success players drafted by PATFO have gone on to achieve in the NBA, they have not achieved it in a Spurs uniform, and our current crop of youngsters are a mixed bag at this point. The cupboard looks pretty bare to me, and the older guys are a big question mark going forward, too.

Their first round picks have been 28, 30, 26, 29, and 29 since the Kawhi pick (they didn't have a 2012 draft pick since they sent it to Golden State in the Jefferson salary dump). They have two borderline starters in Anderson and Murray (though Murray shows the talent to eventually be an average starter), one guy who got hurt in LJC, one bust in Milutinov, and one unknown in White. I think that's pretty good considering how most picks that late turn out. Scola was a big fuck up but not having room on the roster for guys like Corey Joseph and Gordon Giricek can hardly be considered a strike against Buford. Unless you were a fan 25 years ago you haven't seen a Spurs team that couldn't draft. I'm not trying to defend Buford's free agent moves, they have been a real mixed bag with last summer being complete shit. But free agency isn't a priority in a total rebuild, which is what this team is going to need after losing Leonard.

[Chris]

More like Wojtek these days imo

[Spurs9]

More like Wojtek these days imo

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[objective]

Their first round picks have been 28, 30, 26, 29, and 29 since the Kawhi pick (they didn't have a 2012 draft pick since they sent it to Golden State in the Jefferson salary dump). They have two borderline starters in Anderson and Murray (though Murray shows the talent to eventually be an average starter), one guy who got hurt in LJC, one bust in Milutinov, and one unknown in White. I think that's pretty good considering how most picks that late turn out. Scola was a big fuck up but not having room on the roster for guys like Corey Joseph and Gordon Giricek can hardly be considered a strike against Buford. Unless you were a fan 25 years ago you haven't seen a Spurs team that couldn't draft. I'm not trying to defend Buford's free agent moves, they have been a real mixed bag with last summer being complete shit. But free agency isn't a priority in a total rebuild, which is what this team is going to need after losing Leonard.

1. Mahinmi was not a bad pick at all, he was just criminally underused and doghoused by Pop and suffered from bone chips in his ankle that were undetectable and only found during exploratory surgery.

2. Milutinov is not a bust. He may have been mishandled rights-wise but he's a damn good player in the Euroleague who starts, finishes, and has won player of the week before.

[SAGirl]

No timetable? Lol. There's a timetable. It's called the end of the season.
Funny and sad at the same time.

[sasaint]

Their first round picks have been 28, 30, 26, 29, and 29 since the Kawhi pick (they didn't have a 2012 draft pick since they sent it to Golden State in the Jefferson salary dump). They have two borderline starters in Anderson and Murray (though Murray shows the talent to eventually be an average starter), one guy who got hurt in LJC, one bust in Milutinov, and one unknown in White. I think that's pretty good considering how most picks that late turn out. Scola was a big fuck up but not having room on the roster for guys like Corey Joseph and Gordon Giricek can hardly be considered a strike against Buford. Unless you were a fan 25 years ago you haven't seen a Spurs team that couldn't draft. I'm not trying to defend Buford's free agent moves, they have been a real mixed bag with last summer being complete shit. But free agency isn't a priority in a total rebuild, which is what this team is going to need after losing Leonard.

I don't totally disagree with you about the draft picks. Hindsight is always 20-20 about guys that were drafted later that became better, and I won't play that game. My initial comment, with which you took issue was based on the (perhaps questionable) assumption that if the Spurs cut ties with Pop, then they would cut ties with his man, RC. I think the FA moves have been worse than a mixed bag, though, and I think those are also extremely important in a rebuild. And finally, I do not believe the same old approach to signing fading vets to complement a 3-star HOF core will cut it in an era when the only "star" at the core is LMA.

[tholdren]

I don't totally disagree with you about the draft picks. Hindsight is always 20-20 about guys that were drafted later that became better, and I won't play that game. My initial comment, with which you took issue was based on the (perhaps questionable) assumption that if the Spurs cut ties with Pop, then they would cut ties with his man, RC. I think the FA moves have been worse than a mixed bag, though, and I think those are also extremely important in a rebuild. And finally, I do not believe the same old approach to signing fading vets to complement a 3-star HOF core will cut it in an era when the only "star" at the core is LMA.

Thd problem is no playmakers. Had murray been as advertised as a slasher and rim attacker, and/or kl not crying all year, this would be a really good team. No one on this team casuses defenses to collapse, murray cant even pass the ball around the perimeter correctly.

Spurs relying on kyle anderson, green, and injured rudy gay to drive the ball. Not good

[sasaint]

Thd problem is no playmakers. Had murray been as advertised as a slasher and rim attacker, and/or kl not crying all year, this would be a really good team. No one on this team casuses defenses to collapse, murray cant even pass the ball around the perimeter correctly.

Spurs relying on kyle anderson, green, and injured rudy gay to drive the ball. Not good

Yes. That's the primary problem on the floor. So, in the upcoming off-season, it is essential for us to clear out the backcourt clutter and get a legit PG. Unfortunately, it is also essential to get another legit big (and, hopefully, dump Pau). That is a lot to accomplish for a FO that is accustomed to finding long-in-the-tooth vets to become complementary players around a core of 3 HOFers. I can't see PATFO forsaking any of their pets or adopting a new MO.

[tbdog]

What a disaster that would be to lose RC at a time where the draft will be absolutely critical to the team. I think Pop retires early to not have to deal with a rebuild but given his and his staff's record with player development it would be a devastating blow to lose him.

There is no need to rebuild. We are 4th in the West even with an injury-plagued season and with 20mil sitting in New York. Even replacing that 20 mil with two competent players, like Batum and Walker for an eg that popped into my head, would be a clear upgrade and be the top 4 team in the league.

[baseline bum]

I don't totally disagree with you about the draft picks. Hindsight is always 20-20 about guys that were drafted later that became better, and I won't play that game. My initial comment, with which you took issue was based on the (perhaps questionable) assumption that if the Spurs cut ties with Pop, then they would cut ties with his man, RC. I think the FA moves have been worse than a mixed bag, though, and I think those are also extremely important in a rebuild. And finally, I do not believe the same old approach to signing fading vets to complement a 3-star HOF core will cut it in an era when the only "star" at the core is LMA.

Your post said you hope for them to cut Buford.

[sasaint]

Your post said you hope for them to cut Buford.

It said I hoped they cut ties with PATFO - as I said, thinking of Pop and RC as a package. But based on the FA moves, I would not advocate keeping RC and parting with Pop any more than I would advocate keeping Pop and parting with RC.

[baseline bum]

It said I hoped they cut ties with PATFO - as I said, thinking of Pop and RC as a package.

That's ridiculous given this team's draft history the last twenty years. This team needs to find another Leonard, another Ginobili, or another Parker to try to build around (or luck into another Duncan or Robinson). You're not going to get those in free agency if you're not a glamorous market like LA, Miami, Golden State, etc. The draft is the only reasonable option for acquiring top tier talent and you're advocating dumping perhaps the most successful GM in league history when it comes to the draft. It makes no sense whatsoever.

[gambit1990]

Indeed I do, considering he drafted Ginobili, Giricek, Parker, Scola, Splitter, Hill, effectively Leonard, and Murray despite never having (nor trading for) a lottery pick.
drafted dragic too. but he was traded for malik hairston :lol

[sasaint]

That's ridiculous given this team's draft history the last twenty years. This team needs to find another Leonard, another Ginobili, or another Parker to try to build around (or luck into another Duncan or Robinson). You're not going to get those in free agency if you're not a glamorous market like LA, Miami, Golden State, etc. The draft is the only reasonable option for acquiring top tier talent and you're advocating dumping perhaps the most successful GM in league history when it comes to the draft. It makes no sense whatsoever.

I doubt either one of us will get to see his hypothetical tested. As for your hypothetical scenario: I do not know what I expect to happen with Kawhi, but unless PATFO move him for a high pick they are not likely to draft a Ginobili, Parker, Leonard, Duncan or DRob next draft. I expect they will also retain plenty of their old guys, thus insuring the current trajectory continues. As for my hypothetical, I thoroughly expect PATFO to return.

Btw, I think PATFO could have kept a guy or two through the years if Boner hadn't had all of those incriminating photos. Moreover, I think that they can attract FAs to San Antonio - maybe not many superstars, but guys with some upside and not the over-the-hill variety or the Emergency Room convalescents.

People like to compare the Spurs to the NE Patriots. In the way they operate, however, they are a complete contrast. The Pats constantly re-invigorate their roster by replacing an old guy with an up-and-comer who they allow to grow into the position. As a consequence they often start the season playing pretty poorly before making a push to their customary Super Bowl berth. It is that kind of evolution that has escaped PATFO in arriving at this juncture. A team needs a regular infusion of fresh, young blood - even if it is only a single, good young player every year or two.

[sasaint]

drafted dragic too. but he was traded for malik hairston :lol

They do draft well, given their consistently poor position. But very few of those guys end up as Spurs beyond their rookie deals.

[bklynspursfan]

I doubt either one of us will get to see his hypothetical tested. As for your hypothetical scenario: I do not know what I expect to happen with Kawhi, but unless PATFO move him for a high pick they are not likely to draft a Ginobili, Parker, Leonard, Duncan or DRob next draft. I expect they will also retain plenty of their old guys, thus insuring the current trajectory continues. As for my hypothetical, I thoroughly expect PATFO to return.

Btw, I think PATFO could have kept a guy or two through the years if Boner hadn't had all of those incriminating photos. Moreover, I think that they can attract FAs to San Antonio - maybe not many superstars, but guys with some upside and not the over-the-hill variety or the Emergency Room convalescents.

People like to compare the Spurs to the NE Patriots. In the way they operate, however, they are a complete contrast. The Pats constantly re-invigorate their roster by replacing an old guy with an up-and-comer who they allow to grow into the position. As a consequence they often start the season playing pretty poorly before making a push to their customary Super Bowl berth. It is that kind of evolution that has escaped PATFO in arriving at this juncture. A team needs a regular infusion of fresh, young blood - even if it is only a single, good young player every year or two.

They've usually done pretty well in terms of the buyout market (2 of which recently were instrumental in bringing us a championship) and utilizing the G-League to develop guys. They've been adding young players for a while. I would feel pretty confident that if the Pats had a Developmental League, they would follow a similar path an utilize it well.

[duncan2k5]

Yeah, let's run off the GOAT coach bc Kawhi wants to go to a bigger market to grow his brand. That would really stabilize things.

This team almost won 50 with Kawhi being a faggot all year, with injuries to Gay, LMA, Green, etc. They aren't getting another Kawhi but put an all-star level player at SF instead of Fathead and this is still a 55-60 win team.

ur making some huge assumptions...nowhere has kawhi ever indicated or implied anything

[sasaint]

They've usually done pretty well in terms of the buyout market (2 of which recently were instrumental in bringing us a championship) and utilizing the G-League to develop guys. They've been adding young players for a while. I would feel pretty confident that if the Pats had a Developmental League, they would follow a similar path an utilize it well.

I think the Spurs have been pretty hit-and-miss on buyouts, but that's not really what I am even talking about. Those guys are rarely signed with the aim of keeping them as long-term additions to the rotation. Who besides Diaw?

As far as the G League goes, the Spurs had two guys on the roster this season (Costello and Paul) who "came up" via that route, and neither of them is likely to be around next season. Posters on ST are greatly divided over recent draft picks that are still with the team (Kyle and Dijon), and nearly unanimous in giving the thumbs down to the remaining "new guy" (Lauvergne). Danny and 50Mills (on whom posters are also divided) have been around for quite awhile now, but they are the best examples since Bruce Bowen of PATFO's signing youngish FAs with upside to develop. I just don't see the Spurs' pipeline as being that productive for the Spurs. It seems like the Spurs have been more of a conduit for players to enter the league and move on to other teams. The cupboard seems pretty bare for a team that aspires to be a serious contender.

[dbreiden83080]

If Kawhi leaves this off-season I hope (and almost expect) ownership parts company with Pop and RC and bring in a new regime to clean up the mess.

Mess?????

What coach or GM would do better exactly? You should be a Knicks fans.. That's a stable organization..

[dbreiden83080]

Pressure for him to return will only ramp up if we make the playoffs? Other stars like Curry are coming back but maybe not until round 2.. And he is probably more serious hurt than KL.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

WOJ has been exposed as a complete fraud this season smhhh

[pgardn]

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[daslicer]

Pressure for him to return will only ramp up if we make the playoffs? Other stars like Curry are coming back but maybe not until round 2.. And he is probably more serious hurt than KL.

I'm hoping the Spurs can get out of the first round. I think they have a good chance as long as they avoid the Warriors and the Rockets. If the spurs get out of round 1 he's going to feel a lot more pressure and these haters can't say that the teams is complete trash without him.

[Hoops Czar]

WOJ has been exposed as a complete fraud this season smhhh
Not really. He doesn't have Spurs sources. The only Spurs insiders reside in this forum.

[dbreiden83080]

I'm hoping the Spurs can get out of the first round. I think they have a good chance as long as they avoid the Warriors and the Rockets. If the spurs get out of round 1 he's going to feel a lot more pressure and these haters can't say that the teams is complete trash without him.

Yep especially with stars like Curry and Embiid coming back for the playoffs. Embiid will coming off surgery for a fractured orbital bone. What is your excuse again Kawhi? Oh i forgot you don't speak.. Or play..

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Not really. He doesn't have Spurs sources. The only Spurs insiders reside in this forum.
The true prophets tbh. I wonder if Woj and company browse through this forum

[daslicer]

Yep especially with stars like Curry and Embiid coming back for the playoffs. Embiid will coming off surgery for a fractured orbital bone. What is your excuse again Kawhi? Oh i forgot you don't speak.. Or play..

I feel these haters in the media will have to start acknowledge that if the Spur get out of the first round without Kawhi that he punted on possibly winning a championship this year. I want Kawhi to feel that pressure and scrutiny.

[SAGirl]

WOJ has been exposed as a complete fraud this season smhhh
nah... he had a source... Kiwi just backed out after trying to return.. again...


"his rehab has not always been linear" - RC

[SAGirl]

media spinning this... march came and went... nothing
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[tholdren]

media spinning this... march came and went... nothing
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Are you kyle anderson?

[cd98]

National media comes to SA for Houston game and final 4...Kawhi goes to NY. Coincidence? I don't think he likes getting asked questions.

[Ice009]

National media comes to SA for Houston game and final 4...Kawhi goes to NY. Coincidence? I don't think he likes getting asked questions.

Sounds like he decided to go to New York at this time on purpose, maybe not to get cleared like we've thought, but more just to get out of town. If he has for that reason, he's turning into one of the biggest bitches of all-time. I hope that I am wrong on all of this.

[Russ]

Sounds like he decided to go to New York at this time on purpose, maybe not to get cleared like we've thought, but more just to get out of town.

Don't be so harsh.

Perhaps Kawhi just went to New York for the nicer weather.

[Emperor]

Jeff McDonald gonna lose his sponsors if he keeps this up. I am offended and will take action.